330: years it'd days been seven mighty good Interviewer: {NW} 330: {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: {NS} things have been mighty good. I don't know how they'll come out I guess I expect it'll be as high this fall as it's been be maybe maybe a little higher than it were last year. You know they're trying to make {X} put 'em down to people are says get so high you can't eat it but the farmers are not feeding 'em they hadn't they're not they they're not jumped up nothing like {X} {X} time he feeds 'em and you don't get calves every year sometimes they {X} Now you {C: tape overlaid} farm and feed 'em {X} well you don't got anything to live on you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: {C: tape overlaid} A lot of folks don't realize that. That ain't just all free. But that yelling {X} came off that's all the farmers he got to take a have expenses {X} {C: tape overlaid} lots of time you lose some. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: {C: tape overlaid} life lose some, have trouble with 'em. {C: tape overlaid} That's what I'm planning on {D: we get seventy-three more years} {C: tape overlaid} to have all these cows {X} {X} {X} {X} sixty-two then and I thought she {X} maybe {C: tape overlaid} and a big cow maybe wouldn't live Interviewer: Yeah. Okay we're talking about you straighten your hair with a comb and a {C: tape overlaid} 330: Brush. Interviewer: Okay. And if you were using one of these you'd say you were going to 330: Use one of those? Interviewer: Yeah you'd say you're gonna 330: {X} Gonna gonna I see I if I was gonna use one of 'em I'd say I was gonna I reckon just gonna comb my hair I reckon. That's what I'd say, wouldn't I? Interviewer: Comb or Wife: Groom. 330: Groom? Wife: Wouldn't it be groom? Interviewer: Okay um or if you used a brush you'd say you were going to 330: To brush it.{NS} Interviewer: Okay. Um and you sharpen a straight razor on a leather 330: Strap. Interviewer: Okay. And what do you put in a pistol? 330: Cartridges. Interviewer: Okay. 330: {X} I've never had my hands on one once but one in my life. But uh I do know that the you have cartridges you put in 'em Interviewer: Yeah. Wife: {X} {NW} Interviewer: Okay um this is something that children play on. You take a board and it rests on a trestle like this and goes up and down. 330: See-saw? Interviewer: Okay. And if you saw some children playing on one you'd say they were 330: See-sawing I guess. Interviewer: Okay. Um this is something that you take a plank and anchor it in the middle and it turns around and around 330: {C: tape overlaid} The plank goes round and round? Well that would be a {C: tape overlaid} merry go round I guess. Interviewer: Okay. Any other names for that? 330: Well I don't know. Interviewer: You ever heard of flying {C: tape overlaid} 330: {X} Wife: {D: I have} 330: Not that's going around. Interviewer: Did you ever hear flying jenny? 330: Huh? Interviewer: Flying jenny? 330: Flying jenny. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: I never heard of it. Interviewer: Um and you'd take a a rope and tie a long rope to a tree limb and put a seat on it and you'd be making 330: Swing Interviewer: Okay. Um 330: {NW} Interviewer: And what do you carry coal in? 330: Scuttle. Coal scuttle. Interviewer: Okay. And what runs from the stove to the chimney? 330: What runs through the stove to the chimney? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Uh heat. {X} say. Interviewer: Okay what what do you call um {C: tape overlaid} okay you have a chimney on a fireplace. What do you have on a stove? Wife: {X} 330: Well you'd have to have a pipe to to carry you know the smoke and heat Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: out Interviewer: What's the pipe fit into? 330: It'd go in the flue. I guess most of 'em do you know {X} to cut a hole through the mantle at mantle and you put pipes in 'em when they go to put 'em in the home but most of 'em just have flues you know, but {X} and you run the pipe up {X} Interviewer: Okay um and this is something you might use if you were um carrying brick somewhere. It has a little wheel in front, and two handles. {C: tape overlaid} 330: That's a wheelbarrow. Interviewer: Okay. Um and what would you use to sharpen say an axe on? 330: Grindstone. Interviewer: Okay. What about something smaller than an axe, like a knife? 330: Well you'd have you'd have you could use a file a whet rock. Interviewer: Okay. And um if something was squeaking, to lubricate it you'd have to do what to it? 330: Gr- oil it. Interviewer: Or 330: Grease it. Interviewer: Okay. So you'd say yesterday I what my car yesterday I 330: Had to grease Interviewer: Okay Um and if grease got all over your hands you'd say your hands were all 330: I {X} I'd say it's messed up my Wife: Greasy. 330: Greasy. Mighty greasy. Interviewer: Um let's see do you ever um it's what the stuff that you'd burn in lamps. What would you call that? 330: Kerosene. Interviewer: Okay, any other name for that? Wife: Coal. 330: Yeah, coal. Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever make a lamp using um a rag and a bottle and 330: I've seen it. I never did make one. I've saw 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: People that make 'em and {D: go out} {X} you know camping like and have 'em. {D: and it'll burn right on} burn till it burns every drop of that kerosene out. Interviewer: Yeah. {X} 330: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Do you know what they called it? 330: I don't I don't know what they called it but they just stuck a piece of cloth and uh wasn't too wide, stuck it down in there and got just the kerosene on it, stuck a match to it it went to burning, it just burned nearly burned every drop of it out. You could you can take that do the same thing about putting something out to draw you know to draw the water out of a can or something. Interviewer: Mm. 330: Start it {X} pipe and he'd run every drop of it out. Interviewer: {X} 330: {D: siphon} Interviewer: Yeah. {C: tape overlaid} 330: {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Okay um inside the 330: A lot of gas, I imagine {X} had run out of gas, I look it I put {X} I never did see nobody now {D: hoping to go} get mine, I had did have ones that eighteen below zero that when I was working tobacco business in Franklin somebody stole {X} never got home. Interviewer: Really? 330: {X} {X} I put gas in there today. I wouldn't fill it up then like I do now but I'm afraid somebody would get stuck down there you know where I was working. And just {X} {X} {X} I was trying to get home, and everybody's cars and {X} trucks had froze up, and then the fellow stopped {X} came off to get his son said he was drunk awful as {X} fellow's house Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And I told 'em I says oh Mister Bob I been two or three hours trying to get home, I said I can't go. I can't get home.{C: tape overlaid} That's when all my children {X} and I told 'em I I'm going home my wife and babies I said so they got another fellow to get him go get him {C: tape overlaid} and he {C: tape overlaid} {X} two minutes but all that {X} {D: you ever played} {X} little round rings on {X} Interviewer: {C: tape overlaid} 330: It's{C: tape overlaid} it's right interesting. And there's a bunch of 'em {X} and some of 'em playing {X} and this {X} walked in there told 'em call the sheriff she just killed this nigger man, well this boy his son was there. {X} they they doubted it they just didn't think she had she had {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And some of 'em said they {X} hear it and just tried to get out of the way you know so they called the sheriff, boy did that{C: tape overlaid} {B} {X} my brother-in-law {D: wanted to sue them} and he called the sheriff {C: tape overlaid} {D: and she left and went towards Holly Grove} {C: tape overlaid} didn't go very far she she was moaning and groaning and carrying on {D: bloody} she turned and came back then started back told us where she came from over there due west and the sheriff and them picked up this little piece of {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: {X} like that but she told 'em to call come and get her she'd killed him. I I think she {C: tape overlaid} he was had been drinking I reckon really drunk didn't know what he was doing Interviewer: Yeah. 330: She shot a {X} big hole Interviewer: What's that game you said they were playing? 330: {X} Interviewer: Were they 330: It's just a {X} they have a {X} like pool {X} you probably have played a little pool well it has four corners pockets and uh {C: tape overlaid} you played you can play {X} {C: tape overlaid} playing and that one of 'em sits on one side like they had a {X} here {X} you you have shoot yours and these two over here {D: at least} you try to and {C: tape overlaid} I might accidentally a lot of 'em did it on purpose course try to {X} knowing where you could shoot {X} bank against that line behind the line you would have to {X} kick at 'em try to kick 'em in Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And that's {X} I never could learn to do that I never but I I've seen a lot of 'em kick 'em in there just perfect. Interviewer: What what were they trying to kick in? 330: {X} just little round wooden they have some now plastic I see it some of 'em make 'em out of plastic little round wooden {D: ring like} out of wood they're light.{C: tape overlaid} Then you have a toy{C: tape overlaid} that's white and these {X} will be either one one half would be red, {C: tape overlaid} the other would be green. And you'd choose what kind you want and I maybe want {C: tape overlaid} to choose first say well I'll take red and shoot uh if he makes the red he whoever makes green you'd say well I'll take green then he misses and you shoot, you see. It's really interesting all they had they there sure have been a lot of {X} down here in this country Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Had a lot of fun out of it. Lots of fun. Hadn't shot any in years and years. {C: tape overlaid} But we shot {C: tape overlaid} {X} ever I was growing up we shot that every night. Every night, had a board down there on the platform up high where you could stand up and shoot going {X} bench set this {D: bow} down on {D: sat down} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. Okay um inside the tire of a car you'd have the 330: Tube. Interviewer: Okay. And if someone had built a boat and they were gonna put it in the water for the first time you'd say that they were going to 330: Now that's something I don't know anything about. Boats I don't know. Wife: {X} 330: Well no they're gonna put it in there to wet it? To I guess soak it to wouldn't it, to make it tighten Interviewer: I think do you know the word launch launch the boat? Did you ever 330: Um I never have heard anything to do with but I been I've been in a three or four different times out in a little boat {X} one boat one time down there at night one was up {X} scared to death never did go back {C: tape overlaid} those big boys come through there in the morning about two oh clock we stayed all night out there. That thing like {X} the little old boat there we had to tie it to a tree Interviewer: Yeah. 330: But that thing that boy could load it you know he'd just {X} set 'em down like that and I'd go {X} {X} Wife: They spent the night. Interviewer: {NW} 330: They never did get me out there but I don't know what you'd use say you {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 330: I guess you'd{C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Do you know names for different kinds of boats? 330: Huh? Interviewer: You know names for different types of boats? {C: tape overlaid} 330: No now I just I just I don't I don't know anything about about boats. {X} Interviewer: Okay um if a child was just learning to dress himself the mother would bring him the clothes and tell him here your clothes here 330: {X} dress him, he he well she brought her clothes in and she'd tell him to put 'em on. Interviewer: Yeah or she'd give it to him and tell him here 330: Uh-huh here's your clothes. Interviewer: Okay. {X} 330: Put on dress yourself now. Interviewer: Okay um say um {C: tape overlaid} say if you were taking a child to the dentist or the or the doctor and the child was afraid and crying you know but the doctor might tell 'em don't be scared, I 330: I'm not gonna hurt you. Interviewer: Okay. Um and uh if a woman wanted to buy a dress of a certain color she'd take along a little square of cloth to use as a 330: Sample? Interviewer: Okay. And she saw a dress that she liked a lot and it looked good on her, she'd say oh that dress is very 330: It it's very pretty. Interviewer: Okay. And a little girl might say well Susie's dress was pretty but mine is even 330: {NW} it'd be prettier. Interviewer: Okay. 330: Would that be right? It'd be prettier? Mine's even lot prettier. Interviewer: Um what might a woman wear over a dress in the kitchen? 330: Well uh uh apron most of 'em do. I imagine. Interviewer: And to sign your name in ink you'd use a 330: Find a pen. Interviewer: Okay. And to hold a baby's diaper in place you'd use a 330: Safety pin. Interviewer: Okay. Um this is a kinda metal that they make some pails or buckets out of 330: A metal. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Wife: Aluminum. 330: I well it it's galvanized and and and there's a there's a aluminum buckets too and a tin bucket Interviewer: Okay. 330: There's a few different kinda buckets you know. Interviewer: Okay. And a dime is worth 330: {C: tape overlaid} Ten cents. Interviewer: Okay. And if it was real cold outside before you went out you might put on your 330: Coat. Interviewer: Okay. And um in a man's sometimes a man would put um put on his shirt you know and then before he puts on a coat he puts on a little 330: Jacket? Interviewer: Okay. Um so a suit consists of a coat is there any other name for jacket? 330: Yeah there is. I don't know, I've never most suits don't have it have vests now, do they? Wife: The back of those aren't {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: No I haven't bought one in years, I've got to get me one {X} Interviewer: {NW} Wife: Vest too on some suits. 330: {D: don't get all puffed now} just want to get a summer suit get one before I can wear cold weather too I hope. I ain't never have two. {NS} I am not Interviewer: Okay um a suit would consist of a coat and a vest and what else? 330: Pants. Interviewer: Okay. Any other name besides pants? 330: Trousers. Interviewer: Okay. What about britches? Do you use that word? 330: Yeah. I've heard yeah yeah.{NW: laughing} Sure. Interviewer: What is does britches sound old funny or old Wife: Yeah sounds like a Southerner. 330: Britches is sorta like the britches on a mule or put on their britches. Interviewer: You put on a mule's 330: as of what you're gonna work 'em to wear you know hold 'em to hold back with you know {C: tape overlaid} {X} That's something I know you never did see. Interviewer: No I 330: Put 'em on. And they #1 haul yeehaw you know then they they'll hold back # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 330: sit back sit back on that tongue and those britches you put on 'em {D: back off} back leg back in there then they I saw 'em get {C: tape overlaid} {X} themselves {X} they'll hold 'em back for you if you got 'em trained course sometimes they run away too. Interviewer: {NW} 330: I've had 'em run {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Pretty hard to catch. 330: They get scared. Sometimes run away with you. {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Mules {X} ride 'em working 'em you know ride 'em in and work. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: I {X} 'em I still like to {X} mule sure do. Don't have but one, I still got one old mule. He's about near as old as I am. He gets tired and I do too now he's about uh he's at least thirty years old. Wife: That ain't even half your age. 330: Well that's alright. That's old for a mule. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: That's a terrible old mule. Interviewer: What do you call that pants you're wearing now? 330: The these? Overalls. Interviewer: Okay. Um okay say if you went outside without your coat um you might ask someone to go what me my coat go into the house and 330: {C: tape overlaid} if I went out side of the house without a coat? Interviewer: Yeah and it was cold and you wanted it. You might ask someone go inside and what 330: Get my coat to get my go in the house and get me a coat. Interviewer: Okay. 330: Uh overcoat or something.{C: tape overlaid} Wife: Bring, too, I guess. Bring me a coat. 330: Yeah I'd I'd say go get it. Interviewer: Okay um and the person would come out and say here I what you your coat here I 330: Here's your coat. I brought it to you. Interviewer: Okay. Um and you say that coat won't fit this year, but last year it what perfectly 330: Uh I guess it it uh got too big, I got too large I guess. For it to fit me. Interviewer: Okay but last year it 330: It fit alright. Interviewer: Okay. Um and if you'd just bought a suit it wouldn't be an old suit, it would be a 330: A new one. Interviewer: A new what 330: New well a new suit Interviewer: Okay. Um and if you stuck a lot of things in your pockets, it makes them 330: {D: Poke out.} Interviewer: Okay or another word for that. It makes them 330: Run 'em out of shape, too. Wife: Bulge. 330: Bulge out {X} get out of shape. Interviewer: Okay. Um and you say that um that shirt fit me fine until I washed it and it 330: Grew up. Growed up what. {NW} Shrinks you know. I had a lot of 'em and I've had I'll tell you the truth but I've had 'em bought 'em I reckon you'd call a cheap one and the and the dye would come out. Interviewer: Really? 330: Yeah. Come out fade. What you call that? Fade. Interviewer: Okay you say it seems that every shirt I've washed recently has 330: Drawed up. Interviewer: Or has 330: Faded. Interviewer: Or another word for drawed up. Has 330: Shrunk. Interviewer: Okay. And you say I hope this new shirt won't 330: That's right. Would be better it won't uh it won't uh shrink. And draw up. Like the other one. And it won't. The better the shirt is you know had overalls {X} buy overalls {X} the better ones you get will last longer and won't draw up like a little cheap you know pair. And the shirt's the same way. You buy little cheap shirt, and when you have it washed it {NS} it can't you can't keep {X} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. Okay if a woman likes to spend a lot of time in front of the mirror 330: Primping? Interviewer: Okay. Any other words for that? 330: Well I guess why she well let's see {C: tape overlaid} uh she'd be powdering her probably trying to make herself pretty I reckon. Fixing powdering fix up her makeup. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: She'd be {X} putting on makeup probably. I don't know what you'd call it. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: But a lot of 'em do you know, put on makeup {X} just the amount you know and go to home {C: tape overlaid} I've seen a lot of women {X} {X} see 'em off then go to their home and #1 just # Wife: #2 They use more # now than they used to. 330: They just you just wouldn't know the woman at all. They put on so much stuff. Wife: Is your sister older or younger than you? Interviewer: Yeah uh older. Wife: Hmm. {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: {C: tape overlaid} Um do you use the word primp about a man? Would you say the man liked to primp? 330: Well I never I never have uh-uh, never have heard that spoken I don't think. He just usually just say well he looked neat. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: Or nice. Sure did look nice today with his new suit on or something you know. That's what I'd what I'd always heard said.{C: tape overlaid} About the the man you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: There are a few of 'em there are a few men that {D: primp might be} course they have to use some a lot of stuff they get {D: face lotion and} {C: tape overlaid} shaving lotion {D: cream shave himself it smells when you put it on} but they don't primp like the women. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: {D: not in years} particular. Well some of 'em was mighty curious I guess. Men {X} others. Most of the men that I always heard of just {D: sure the clothes} fit 'em pretty good {D: confident that's the main thing} Interviewer: Yeah. 330: They'd like you know. But the women like like uh show the clothes off and oh they primp fix 'em up you know {X} I've seen 'em {X} {NW} long time before we'd ever get ready call 'em {X} Wife: Your wife's not like that, is she? Interviewer: {NW} 330: Well not yet. You don't know half the time you fool around and take {X} to get ready don't start {X} okay I can't get ready to get ready. I have to my friends are leaving every time we going to town this afternoon Wife: {D: I don't tell him} 330: and she's well you go on and get ready you could get ready Wife: {X} 330: Yeah wasn't any {X} {NS} Interviewer: What happened? What happened? 330: {D: She} I I had the little wagon up in front going round she come piddling around back in the back finally bought a little can of I think cherries come up there and {X} ladies {C: tape overlaid} I just what are you doing, getting her something? {NW} Ladies that's alright, I'll I'll take it. Wife: {X} 330: She'd take it, too. Wife: She'd make it so {X} 330: Well it's too high to give away somebody. Interviewer: Yeah. Wife: {X} 330: Gonna have to. {X} Interviewer: {NW} Okay this is a little other container that has a clasp on it and people could carry coins in it 330: Purse. Interviewer: Okay. This is a piece of jewelry a woman might wear around her wrist. 330: Well that's bracelet. Interviewer: Okay. And what about something she might wear around her neck? 330: Pearls. Interviewer: Okay. Or beads do you call that a what of beads? 330: A a string of beads. Interviewer: Okay. And what do men wear to hold up their trousers? 330: Belt. Interviewer: Yeah but what do they use to 330: Oh. {NW} Well you call 'em some of 'em call 'em suspenders. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: Suspenders. Yeah. I wore many of those. Interviewer: You what? 330: I wore many a Interviewer: {NW} {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} Okay if it was raining outside what might you carry over you? 330: Umbrella. Interviewer: Okay. And what's the last thing that you put on a bed? You know, the real fancy top cover. 330: A bedspread. Interviewer: Okay. Um and at the head of the bed you put your head on the 330: Pillows. Interviewer: Okay. And do you remember anything about twice as long as a pillow? 330: Twice as long as a pillow? A bolster. Interviewer: Okay. You say the bolster doesn't go part way across the bed, it goes 330: All the way across the bed. Interviewer: Okay. Um {C: tape overlaid} and something that you might put on the bed for warmth that women would piece together 330: Blanket. Interviewer: Okay but some old fashioned that women would piece together 330: Oh quilts. Interviewer: Okay. 330: {NW} Yeah. I I've helped piece quilts. Interviewer: Oh really? 330: Yeah. Way back when I was younger. I had a lot uh {D: cousin of mine} to make him a quilt before he was married. And I{C: tape overlaid} you know help a little. Got {X} stuff I'd go over there and stay the night, she I don't know how many she Wife: {D: I don't think you ever did any work} 330: huh? Wife: I don't think you did help. 330: I did help her some, too. {NS} Interviewer: Is there anything else women would make? For a bed? 330: For a bed? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Well Wife: {X} 330: Yeah you'd have to you'd have to make pillow pillowcases like I told you about my mother picking {D: geese} and I'd hold the head to make pillows Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Yeah you make the pillows and cases to put 'em in you know Interviewer: What about {D: callie} {D: callie pin} 330: Uh-huh. Wife: Yeah that's a 330: {D: callie pin} uh-huh Interviewer: What's that? 330: That's a Wife: {D: uh similar to a spread} 330: Just about the same thing. Interviewer: Yeah? 330: Pick this {X} {D: the lighter} thing I'd call it {X} {X} Wife: They were pretty. Interviewer: Okay suppose you had a lot of company and didn't have enough beds say for you you might make 330: Pallets down Interviewer: Okay. What's that now? 330: Pallets. Spread down. That's where you talking about well I'll tell you about you know {X} families they used to I never did tell you about how you used to come way back years when I was small they'd come in wagons. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And they'd the meeting started on Friday morning, they'd look to come in on Thursday. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And they'd put up at a {D: hot second place} and you'd get the mules wagon now and usually they'd try to put up close enough where they could walk. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: To church. Cuz we didn't have any cars in those days. And very few of 'em had buggies. Back when I'm talking about when I was really small. And they'd load up had chairs just like we plain you know straight chair they'd just set that in that wagon and they'd ride in there setting in that all the women had their little children in there and that that used to tickle me to death. {X} {D: farm} they had a meet big meeting like that and {D: break out their horses} all broke loose run off tore the buggies all to pieces and we had an awful time, I'll never forget it. That's been a long time ago. And we had a hailstorm {X} since we were married children were small we thought it was gonna tear the house down. He he got oh he got half knee deep in it outside {C: tape overlaid} stayed on there for about two days {X} ground was just white. {X} snow. And second was it second Sunday in June? Or second Saturday in June I mean wasn't it? Wife: {X} 330: Second Saturday in June. That stuff just covered up the ground and stayed that way it didn't melt for about two days I never seen that and the pieces some of 'em were that big you know they tore out windows, tore the church down church down here blew here {X} it took every window they had out of that church now worse in places than it was in others Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Some places you didn't have very much. Interviewer: Okay um talking about land you'd say 330: Land? Interviewer: Uh-huh. We expect a big crop from that field this year because the soil is very 330: Good. Interviewer: Okay or what about another word you might use 330: Rich? Interviewer: Okay. Is there another word? 330: Uh{C: tape overlaid} Wife: Fertile. 330: Well it's just fertile I guess you'd call it. Real fertile land. Interviewer: Okay. What do you call flat low land among the 330: Bottom land. Interviewer: Bottom land? 330: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. Is that good land? 330: Yeah. Some of the best. Usually course {X} too wet water stand get where the water could stand on some of it, it it wouldn't be too good. Course it would drowned out, maybe you know if we had too much rain like we're having this year. Land {X} all of it's good land but this year if you have that boys cutting hay up there in the bottom of mine this morning he's talking about it and they got {X} water didn't have much rain it's stands on it you know, going to just {X} {X} {X} {X} had a terrible time getting out. That's course that water just just {X} the land you know {X} dry not too much rain it'll soak up so much you know. {D: never did have so much trouble before, haven't had so much rain in years} {C: tape overlaid} {D: bit of trouble but now this} first time we ever had {X} {C: tape overlaid} but uh but the other way, that's the kinda thing you want if you're going out to buy some good {D: tenable} {X} land you want bottom land. Low land. Not not no hill. {X} {C: tape overlaid} {X} but it's hard to work. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: {X} steep and there's places between here and up on in the mountains it's straight up I went I never have been up in there but one time in my life. Wasn't any interstates then. We went to this North Carolina about it I told you you know what Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And uh we went there to see a friend lives out there in North Carolina. And honestly I believe you could almost look down some people's chimneys. {X} I never seen nothing like it, just uh it just {X} this then uh they they had built ways for to pass those trailer trucks. But they said way back there you few he told her a few {X} {D: back} there wasn't any way if you got behind one going up one of those mountains you just had to stay behind it till you got on the top you know. He couldn't get into but now later {X} when we went through they had places where that trailer would pull over and let you come on by. And you know there must have been something have to go up in steep places {X} course you you've been over there to the mountains, haven't you? Interviewer: {X} 330: Between here and Asheville? Asheville? North Carolina? Interviewer: Not not really in the mountains, I've just been on 330: Some of the worst ones I ever seen in my life. {X} couldn't believe that there any any kinda here in the world. {X} two they still got interstates but I think they still {X} now they make make they can make a lot {X} of course Interviewer: Yeah. 330: You get ice {C: tape overlaid} scares 'em Interviewer: I guess so. 330: We're thinking about going out there this hope to go maybe sometime this summer. {X} {D: she knows you} I never have seen {D: Carolina after that time} everybody but since then I've been to I been to Florida fishing {X} never go no more Interviewer: {NW} 330: You ever get seasick ride out on a big boat get seasick? Interviewer: Um I've never been seasick but I can see how you'd get it. 330: {C: tape overlaid} Oh I'd like to die. {X} three hours on there and I think it's about {D: twenty-eight or -nine} like it's dead {D: scattered out just like} they wanted me to go down under the water, down in the bottom said it'd be better, lot of 'em did when I first got sick they were gonna take me down in there I won't go down under that water. way down under in the bottom of that boat. I I needed the air. All the air I could {C: tape overlaid} get. About to die. Just vomit and vomit and vomit get just a little bit better. And that thing fall off another hole that boat Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: And could see the water cover slap up {X} just pure water over top of it then get finally {D: pull out} {NW} {X} one hole after another {X} had several people tell me they'd carry me free of cost if I'd just go with 'em. I'll never go never worry about me going back out on that {D: wicked} ocean not no especially that them storms they just hit you too quick Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Oh they stopped everybody over there. They wouldn't let anybody go after {C: tape overlaid} they got everybody off of it that {C: tape overlaid} that night they said I was white as a cloth when I got off stepped off that boat I guess I was {D: I said we took a hard walk} I know that, I never have oh I did didn't eat nothing at all all day you know, and vomiting {X} {C: tape overlaid} when you just get sick you just feel like you're gonna die, that's all. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And I wouldn't have cared much if I did I don't reckon. Fish ain't worth it. I like to fish a little, catch 'em, I like to eat 'em, but sure don't go back out there try to get any more fish. Interviewer: You'd just buy 'em 330: {D: no buy stuff} try to you know if it didn't make you sick you'd you'd have a big time. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Sitting out there fishing, catching those fish just as fast as throw it in there. I caught two or three before I got {X} but I never did come up my friends some boys from Alabama and I told 'em I said I'm gone take 'em up real quick {NS} he said no {NS} {X} I said no this is all it for me, I I ain't gonna be able to fish any more, I can see that now. But I finally got that boy one of them boys to tell you I don't know which one I want left or right of 'em one of 'em took we just stand around there boat you know fishing over the side. {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Okay what would you call a land that's not not good for much besides just raising grass or clover or alfalfa. Would you have a name for that? 330: Uh we I uh I'd say yeah uh kind of just a pasture land to would be kinda a wasteland like wouldn't be too good of land. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: What I'd call it. Interviewer: Okay what about land that has water standing in it? 330: Well it'd just drowned out stuff you know you just couldn't make anything, it'd be just what what what you mean now what you call that kinda land? Interviewer: Yeah but most of the time it's got water covered with water. 330: It would be Interviewer: Not just because it's flooded, but just most of the time. 330: Got water on the ground? Be a pond. Interviewer: Okay but I'm thinking of swamp or marsh or bog, something like that. 330: Yeah. Be more like a pond. Wife: Marsh, marsh land. 330: M- m- you said marsh? Soft and boggy {X} if something got out in it you'd just {X} Interviewer: You'd just what? 330: {D: it'd mar up} you know, thick up {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Let's see. Okay um would you have names for real rich soil black soil? 330: Well uh mine is phosphate land here yeah. World of phosphate, and a lot of it is country is rich black dirt. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: But uh then there's a lot of dirt {C: tape overlaid} {X} Wife: She said the call what would you call each dirt? 330: Which dirt? Wife: The kinda land that you {X} 330: Well it it it's uh I don't know what you would call it. Rich land. New ground I guess, call it new land. Interviewer: Okay. 330: I just land that it was it'd be you just had it cleared up would be rich you know, it'd just be new ground like. Interviewer: If you just had it cleared 330: cleared up you know you'd clear it {X} nowadays now you used to dig. You used to have to cut with an axe and saws and {X} and stuff but now they have dozers and they just people just clears up these thickets and things puts it in you know {C: tape overlaid} in land just like the first thing you ever saw and it would got to be rich you know, there's been there for centuries with all those leaves falling on it and rotting in it and {X} we we call it rich land that's what I'd call it. {X} Interviewer: Of loam 330: Loam? Interviewer: Yeah. Loam. 330: {X} Wife: No. Loam. L-O-A-M. 330: Loam. Interviewer: Or loom or something talking about land Wife: Loam. I've heard 'em say loam. 330: Uh what do you mean loam to buy buy buy? Wife: Loam. Interviewer: I guess you haven't heard of it. 330: No, I haven't ever heard of it. Interviewer: Okay if you were getting water off of a swamp you'd say that you were doing what 330: Uh getting it off a swamp? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: That'd be pumping it off. I'd say. Wife: Draining it. 330: Draining. Interviewer: Okay. Um {X} 330: Pumping it, either one. Interviewer: Yeah. What would you call the little things that you dug? 330: {C: tape overlaid} little little things do what? Interviewer: That you dug. The little 330: Dig? Trench. Interviewer: Trench? 330: Mm-hmm. To drain it. Interviewer: Okay. Um what would you call a a deep narrow valley in a field that was had been cut by a stream is it's real wide and real deep. 330: That's a a oh levee, levee Interviewer: A levee? 330: We would call 'em levees. Wife: Gully. 330: Big gulley's washed. Wouldn't be {X} but you cut it I believe they have levees. Wife: Cut by a stream it'd be a gully. {C: tape overlaid} 330: {X} course the rain floods and all wash it out a gully a place that may be what you want Interviewer: What about a ravine or hollow or something? 330: Ravine. Interviewer: Or hollow? 330: {D: I've never heard of that} Interviewer: Okay um say you have a a river now something um smaller than a river would be a 330: Creek. Interviewer: Okay. What else? 330: {D: spring branches} Interviewer: How are they different from a creek? 330: Well they're the smallest the creek is where there's a lot of spring branches in emptied into it and runs you know spring branches like take mine, I got spring branches all over the place here. And uh got two big ones down here now one of 'em {D: that I told you the other day about} {X} house and the other one's on the other side. And they just run off they just run on right down here and there's a lot more comes and meets 'em and there there all kinds springs around through the neighborhood and I call that the creek. Then gets in to be a creek you know. Quite a few of 'em get together. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And then they go on down, a lot of these creeks run in {X} direction going south to Duck River. Line we got a line back over here about uh two and a half three miles before Duck River ridge all the water falls on this side goes in Harpeth river Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And then the then it goes on in to Cumberland. All the water over there goes into Duck River. {C: tape overlaid} course now that's funny it's uh {D: fine line} through the Duck River about two and a half three miles Duck River ridge we call it. Interviewer: Hmm. 330: And all that side goes to Duck River and other side goes to Harpeth River. That's right funny water runs here our water runs due north. Towards Harpeth river. Over there it runs due south. Toward uh just just it just a little above me I couldn't remember {D: understand} in my life why would it split separate down in one water go that way and right {X} the fish in there Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And the drain water come rain it all down this way {X} {X} {X} runs down the other way. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And I guess it I've seen a in Kentucky a river {C: tape overlaid} run go off in the ground I forget the name of it, what they called it, but I been to it. Interviewer: Hmm. 330: When I was young. {C: tape overlaid} I could this fellow {X} he told me the name of it a lot of times I can't even keep keep in mind {X} but this {X} and it's real stream of water and just runs off goes off in the {D: grave} holes like big terrible big hole and it just goes off in there just you know which racket it makes going in there. And I think the silt comes out way off somewhere else maybe but I don't know how far. I wouldn't want to live around there. Be afraid I'd get get off in there. Interviewer: {NW} 330: I never did see nothing like that happen before. Interviewer: Yeah. {C: tape overlaid} 330: And they got a name for it, but I couldn't tell you what it is, what they called it some time river Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Hidden river I believe or something or other they called it. {X} goes off Interviewer: What are some of the names of some of the streams around here? Or creeks? 330: Creeks? Interviewer: Or streams or things. 330: Well there we call this creek here I tell you about the Arno creek. And uh the creek over here where I was telling you about we call it Flat Creek. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: It goes into the Duck River towards Columbia call it Flat Creek. And uh there's a course whole lot of small ones Wife: {X} 330: Well Harpeth River they got all the way up to they go in the Harpeth River all the creeks back this way. And uh I imagine, I don't know, but all of 'em I guess got a little name, these creeks have a little name. Wife: I figured it was {D: Yarborough} creek that's around here. 330: that they call it {D: Yarborough} hole. Wife: {X} Interviewer: Was it a hole? 330: It was a big deep hole. We used to kids would go down going swimming you know and we called it {D: Yarborough hole} the old fellow that owned it Wife: {X} 330: Owned the farm and we called that {D: Yardley hole} Interviewer: Is it part of the the creek 330: Just a deep hole Interviewer: Big place? 330: Mm-hmm. They have baptizing there Interviewer: Oh really? 330: Yeah, little people in there baptize 'em. Mm-hmm. {C: tape overlaid} I've seen one time out there what happened right down there in that same hole, she's talking about, I don't know whether she ever heard me talk about it you ever hear me talk about {X} I mean baptizing {D: Hensons} {D: Dave Henson, you know him} crazy son one his sons was crazy and this preacher took him in there and Lord he had to take a half a dozen of 'em to hold him he thought they were gonna drown him to death I never will forget it. {D: oh he throwed a fit} Interviewer: The son did? 330: Huh? Interviewer: The son? 330: Yeah. The man's son. He thought they's gonna drown dead you know, didn't have wasn't right at all, just we've had quite a few of 'em people like that it's pitiful live to be old men this poor fellow did and there's another {D: party} lived close to 'em {D: Hall} and they'd get to fighting they would they'd get to fighting {D: through a gate} they'd take a axe a piece or something, get to fighting tear the gate all to pieces {D: every once in a while} just shut hit that gate I told you I'd kill you kill you I kill you I told you I would just beat that gate all to pieces {X} thing I ever seen I seen it, never have seen nothing as Interviewer: Who were they fighting? 330: They they they just hitting at one another this was a hole minor hole and this fencing fellow I was talking about {X} his daddy {X} Interviewer: Um if you wanted to open a door you'd take hold of the door 330: Knob. {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Do you ever use that word knob talking about land? 330: Mm-hmm up on the knob, hill Interviewer: Yeah what's 330: Knob hill back across over here Interviewer: What does knob mean? Talking about land? 330: Tall hill just just a big huh? Wife: {X} 330: Huh? Wife: {X} 330: Well that's a big hill back over back down below {X} where they they used {X}