342:  That water was the hardest water and nothing would lather in it
interviewer:  at what my wife is from Shelbyville and they still have a #1 problem with the water over there in middle Tennessee having all the minerals in it and everything #
342:  #2 Yeah yeah # and I tell you I never have seen such water in my life and of course we'd have to scald everything you know to get anything off of it and uh then uh they laugh you know talking about washing in a wash tub with a and when I was growing up {NS} I used to have to go in from school in the afternoon kids don't know anything about that today but I used to have to go in from school in the afternoon and uh fill up three #1 three wash tubs you know #
interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
342:  #1 excuse me there is excuse me #
interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
342:  #1 That's my son I guess calling from Birmingham #
interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
342:  #1 {X} #
interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
342:  from Birmingham but he's going to try to come on over there
interviewer:  {X}
342:  Mm-hmm
interviewer:  Now that's a hard drive from Birmingham
342:  Yes it's a hard drive but he says there's two other officers already out of the bank and he can't couldn't very well leave before Thursday morning to save his life and then he'll have to be back Thursday night {NS}
interviewer:  #1 goodness gracious #
342:  #2 and his wife's # grandmother is right at the point of death down there
interviewer:  #1 In Birmingham? #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm # {NS} said everything was happening at
interviewer:  #1 once it's just #
342:  #2 Boy it seems like # #1 that's the way it always does #
interviewer:  #2 Oh, that's the truth when it #
342:  as the old saying is it never rains but when it #1 pours #
interviewer:  #2 pours right #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # What about the uh the top part of a barn where people store hay and everything kids used to
342:  Loft
interviewer:  Okay
342:  Yeah I played in the lo- #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah, right # uh
342:  {NS} {NS}
interviewer:  uh what about a barn built especially for cows where you might buy milk and butter and that kind of thing?
342:  Dairy
interviewer:  okay
342:  That what you want? #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 that'll be fine. What about a # Place righ- in a barn where you might keep a horse
342:  Stable
interviewer:  Okay uh Have you ever heard the term milk gap or something like that for- for a place where cows are milked
342:  No, I don't believe I have
interviewer:  What about a place where you might keep hogs? Or pigs? #1 What would you call? #
342:  #2 Well, # uh that's a pig pen!
interviewer:  Okay
342:  {NS} #1 I'd say #
interviewer:  #2 Uh #
342:  {NS}
interviewer:  {NS} The- the fenced in area around the barn would you, have you heard that called the lot or the barn yard or the what?
342:  Well I've heard it called both
interviewer:  okay
342:  or the barn lot you know a lot of people do say #1 barn lots #
interviewer:  #2 Right #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # What about uh a place where cows and horses graze? {NS} #1 {D: there would} out in the #
342:  #2 I'd say the # say the pasture
interviewer:  Okay you ever seen anybody get out with a hoe and weed cotton or thin cotton out? #1 uh, what do they call that? #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm #
interviewer:  {NS}
342:  uh well let me see {NS}
interviewer:  did you ever hear it called #1 chopping cotton? #
342:  #2 Chopping cotton. #
interviewer:  #1 {NS} #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  You know something I remember just barely but I can remember my mother telling me when she was visiting relatives here that uh up until aw the last I guess the last twenty years or so they used to let the county schools out
342:  #1 every year f- for #
interviewer:  #2 for chopping cotton # picking cotton
342:  Well, let me tell you uh for picking cotton uh i- that's that there's gone on right here in this county up until {NS} I guess well I'll say the last four or five years #1 maybe #
interviewer:  #2 Really? #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # I thought maybe with the mechanical #1 cotton picker #
342:  #2 oh # uh, it uh well until they were very plentiful now it may be a little bit longer than that but not too much longer that they used to uh they'd have to start to school the first day of or in August
interviewer:  mm-hmm
342:  And they would go to school a month or six weeks and then they'd be out for cotton picking.
interviewer:  That's right I remember her telling me about that
342:  Yes sir that was that's that was a thats that was a standard thing here in the county I know #1 for many years. #
interviewer:  #2 What about a big area where cotton's growing you # #1 call that a cotton wh- Okay #
342:  #2 Cotton field #
interviewer:  {NS} What about, you mentioned a garden a moment ago what kind of fence are you most likely to see around the little garden patch? Would it be a {NS} A l- little white wooden fence that's comes to a point you'd call that a what? {NS}
342:  Mm Well, let me see I don't #1 really know #
interviewer:  #2 some people call it a #
342:  #1 paling fence or a picket #
interviewer:  #2 Uh well # fence #1 or #
342:  #2 I'd # say a picket fence.
interviewer:  Okay {NS}
342:  Do you know you call the th- the little boards palings, I mean they #1 used to say that #
interviewer:  #2 mm-hmm #
342:  You know but it's a picket #1 fence around #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 okay # What about a fence that's where you keep cattle or something a fence that's made of a #1 certain kind of wi- #
342:  #2 Barbed # wire
interviewer:  {NS} And uh back when the days when logs were real plentiful people used to split logs and make these fences out of {NS} uh #1 that run zig zag. Yeah #
342:  #2 Rail fence #
interviewer:  Okay {NS} and uh {NS} now they have the wire fence and th- every so often the wire's tacked up to some what?
342:  Post
interviewer:  Mm-kay And of course if you were up in Middle Tennessee you saw plenty of these fences made out of uh rocks out of the #1 field I guess #
342:  #2 Oh # yes
interviewer:  What do they call those just a stone fence a rock fence or something
342:  Well, I think most the time I heard it called a stone fence #1 Fence #
interviewer:  #2 Okay #
342:  #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 # Yeah, I- I don't believe there's a must not be any place in the United States where they get as many rocks out in a field as they can get up there in Middle Tennessee {NS}
342:  Well, not up around Shelbyville {NS} Lord help that's the rockiest place that I have that I have ever seen I I think just about except in a a cavern or I mean uh {NW} #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 Between #
342:  #1 out West #
interviewer:  #2 Shelbyville # Between Shelbyville and Murfreesboro I have seen houses, little farm houses {NS} sitting on just #1 Solid limestone #
342:  #2 Rock #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  Na- there wasn't a there wasn't a #1 blade of grass growing anywhere they were just #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 built right on the rock #
342:  #2 That's # beautiful country up between {D: Tidwell and Shelbyville} uh that winding road up there is perfectly beautiful that's that's prettiest country but oh those crooked roads and those hills My daddy used to tell me when I was little girl you know that uh you'd see them plowing those hills you know round round round and round round and used to tell me that they had one leg shorter #1 than the other {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # #1 to keep from #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 falling down the hill #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  Oh me what about a uh your best dishes you might say well we're gonna have company we'll get out the good
342:  China
interviewer:  Mm-kay {NS} and something if you had a well you might draw the water up in a what?
342:  um- a bucket
interviewer:  Mm-kay Is a bucket the same thing as a pail? {NS}
342:  Well, yes
interviewer:  okay That is to me #1 too we called it we cou- we could #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  carry water in the thing and it was a water bucket #1 and we could pour the #
342:  #2 Yes #
interviewer:  water out and #1 put milk in it and it was a milk pail #
342:  #2 and it was a milk pail, that's right #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  #1 uh #
342:  #2 and those old # cedar ones you know that they used to have with the bands around it
interviewer:  Yeah
342:  you know
interviewer:  now #1 somet- somthi- #
342:  #2 those are # water buckets #1 I mean #
interviewer:  #2 right #
342:  used to have water buckets you know and the funny thing I I- think so often you know {NS} uh used to we went out I know when I was growing up we had a a little wash stand on our back porch and had the water bucket and of course uh we never had a well here in town #1 but it was #
interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm #
342:  But we had a hydrant
interviewer:  Mm-hmm {NS}
342:  But we had to go out to the hydrant about as far as from here out in the hall and uh draw your water and then you'd bring in that water and and set it down there with the dipper and everybody drank out of the same dipper {NS} and you know we didn't get too many #1 diseases #
interviewer:  #2 I know it # I know it
342:  and used to you'd go into the country you know and and everybody'd drink out of the same dipper you'd just go to the uh water bucket and get a
interviewer:  That's
342:  a drink of water out of the dipper and that was it
interviewer:  that's right
342:  and an old gourd dipper at #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 yeah that's right I was just # #1 getting ready to say nine times out of ten #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  it'd be a gourd
342:  {NS} {NW} true #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 What about the #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # you were talking about cooking a minute ago what abou- what did you fry things in in uh what you still do what do you fry eggs in in #1 the morning? Okay #
342:  #2 A # skillet.
interviewer:  Have you ever seen one with legs on the bottom of it? The three legs?
342:  Yes I've seen them #1 Have you ever heard any- #
interviewer:  #2 I was trying #
342:  to think uh have you ever heard a skillet called a spider?
interviewer:  No {NS}
342:  {NW}
interviewer:  Is that one with legs on it?
342:  {NW} No #1 But uh, I- I don't #
interviewer:  #2 Then why did they call it a spider? #
342:  {NW} {NW} The funny thing this uh friend of ours in Columbus who is a they were neighbors of my sister in law's when they lived in Columbus and uh one day {NS} we were in Columbus visiting {NS} and Miss {D: Soule} was there and uh {NS} something was said and Louise was cooking and she had the skillet sitting on the stove and Miss {D: Soule} said uh well I think her grease was getting too hot you know and she hollered at Louise and she said that grease in that spider's getting too hot {NW}
interviewer:  Oh my goodness #1 You wouldn't know what in the world #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # I looked at her {NS} and I said what did you say? {NS} She said that grease in that skillet is getting too hot.
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
342:  #2 and that # spider's getting too hot {NS}
interviewer:  {NW}
342:  {NW} {NW} My eyes I know #1 jumped {D: about} halfway out of my head #
interviewer:  #2 Well I guess so #
342:  {NS} Because I had #1 never heard #
interviewer:  #2 that's a really a # strange thing to call a #1 skillet isn't it? #
342:  #2 A skillet # is is called a spider and where they get the spider out of it I do not know {NS}
interviewer:  #1 what #
342:  #2 but she # said she'd called that that all her life {NS} I mean in {X} #1 She'd known that as #
interviewer:  #2 well that's very strange # #1 I can't understand why #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  What about the big metal things that they used to boil the clothes in out in the back
342:  Washpot
interviewer:  #1 Okay #
342:  #2 That's another # thing I had to go home in the afternoon make a fire under and fill up those tubs {C: laughter}
interviewer:  I have a friend in Florence who's a a desk jockey and I heard hi- he gets all these little sayings I don't know where he gets them {NS} but he said the other morning that uh {NS} children wouldn't be so much trouble of they had to chop wood to keep the television set going
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  #1 Amen #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
342:  {NS} Amen I tell you I- I could agree with him there {NS} like I started saying awhile ago I used to have to #1 go home and- and uh #
interviewer:  #2 {C: Clock} #
342:  #1 fill up these three tubs #
interviewer:  #2 {C: Clock} #
342:  {NS} and uh wash on a scrub board
interviewer:  yeah
342:  wash all the clothes over it and it was my job I was alone of course but my mother was working
interviewer:  Mm yeah those little scrub #1 boards {X} #
342:  #2 and I had to go home and # scrub the clothes I had to go out and make a fire under the wash pot and boil those clothes in that washpot
interviewer:  after you got them all soapy you had to
342:  and then you had to rinse them
interviewer:  How did you do that? Did you have a separate
342:  #1 pot? #
interviewer:  #2 I had #
342:  uh, well no I had three tubs
interviewer:  oh yeah
342:  and I would let them drip of course as long I- hold them up with a wash #1 stick you know that #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
342:  the stick that we poke the clothes with {NW} woo
interviewer:  What about have you ever heard now a man over in Morgan county told me about a battling board or something he said that he described it to me in a that they would poke the clothes around but then they would put them on a frame or something and hit them with a stick
342:  #1 well you know th- they used to uh they used #
interviewer:  #2 and {D: you've got a battling board} #
342:  t- d- uh they used to do clo- well they do now uh natives in uh many foreign lands you know will take them out on #1 rocks #
interviewer:  #2 and beat them # #1 on the rock #
342:  #2 And beat them. #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # you know
interviewer:  We used to that in the Army when we had to have {NS} uh {NS}
342:  Your #1 clothes #
interviewer:  #2 clean # #1 t-shirts, we would #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm #
interviewer:  get in, all our t-shirts would be dirty and we'd get in the shower
342:  #1 Mm-hmm #
interviewer:  #2 and # soap them up and then just beat them on the shower #1 wall and it would #
342:  #2 yeah #
interviewer:  #1 get the dirt out of them very nicely #
342:  #2 that's right #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  kind- guess it was kinda hard on the cloth.
342:  {NW}
interviewer:  Uh
interviewer:  What about something that if you cut some flowers out in the yard you might put some water in a what and #1 put the flowers in it #
342:  #2 vase # I say instead of a vase
interviewer:  {X}
342:  We used to have uh uh a- l- {NS} an old a typical old maid who worked at the post office here many years ago {NW} and uh it was just very funny, everybody knew about {D: Miss McCrakin's} vases #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Oh me I just can't, I've never been able to believe that there're people that really call them that a- you know
342:  #1 Oh, she did #
interviewer:  #2 really called them that #
342:  {NS} You- you just dare say a vase to her and you just ha- had it
interviewer:  Mm
342:  That's all it took that was {D: Miss McCrakin's} vases {NW} a vase
interviewer:  When you set the table the silverware you put down what? You put down a what and a what?
342:  Knife fork and #1 spoon #
interviewer:  #2 Mm-kay #
342:  {NS} {NW} #1 Is that what you wa- #
interviewer:  #2 and # right, when you wash the dishes what do you wash them with? uh
342:  Washcloth
interviewer:  #1 Okay and you'd dry- you- You ever cal- Okay #
342:  #2 or a sponge or a dish cloth #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  What about a, what do you dry them with?
342:  Well that's what I dry them with is a dish cl- a well you dry them with a cup towel
interviewer:  Okay {NS} What about a cloth that you wash your face with what do you call that?
342:  That's a washcloth I say
interviewer:  and you dry your face on a {NS}
342:  towel
interviewer:  Mm-kay {NS} and uh the thing that you turn on to get water {NS} in your #1 sink is a what #
342:  #2 faucet #
interviewer:  Mm-kay and outside it's called a hydrant
342:  {X} {NS}
interviewer:  I noticed you mentioned that a moment ago {NS} What about a big wooden thing you can buy these now I understand for something like six dollars each {NS} big wooden thing
342:  a barrel
interviewer:  Right {NS} some, one of the students over at Florence State went up and bought about ten of those old whiskey barrels from the Jack Daniels distillery and brought them back to Florence and s- but he bought them for six dollars each brought them back and sold them for ten dollars each for people to make planters and #1 {X} cut them in half and make planters out of them #
342:  #2 Oh yes, yes #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # people go wild over all of these antiques you know this
interviewer:  have you ever heard of a lard stand?
342:  Yes sir
interviewer:  What is that?
342:  Well it's a great big can
interviewer:  That's all it is #1 just a big #
342:  #2 that's all # it is that is uh uh well it's uh {NS} let me see how many pounds I was trying to think how many pounds it holds #1 About so high and about that big around #
interviewer:  #2 (NS} #
342:  you know
interviewer:  Mm-hmm #1 {X} #
342:  #2 and that's what they call that's # When we used to Get the lard you know you'd have you'd get a stand of lard
interviewer:  mm-hmm
342:  and when you get that {NS} I believe it's fifty pounds is what it #1 holds #
interviewer:  #2 now that'd be # pretty that'd a be pretty bunch #1 big bunch of lard #
342:  #2 Yeah #
interviewer:  a can that size
342:  and uh that was the type of thing that they used to buy I know {NS} and it seemed that it never did get too old #1 you know a lot of #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
342:  times uh lard will get or grease will get rancid you know but that type of thing if you after your lard is rendered and so forth why
interviewer:  What about butter when it goes bad, do you say that butter is rancid too? or just spoiled or
342:  Well I should think i- it gets rancid too if it- keep it keep it too long {NS}
interviewer:  What about a thing that you've got a a narrow neck and jar or bottle and you want to pour water in it you might get a what to down in there to pour water in?
342:  Funnel
interviewer:  Okay What about a uh thing that you might use to drive horses with to pop over their back
342:  Whip
interviewer:  okay and uh if you go to the grocery store and buy your groceries there wh- if you're leaving you put them in a what? For you to carry.
342:  Paper bag
interviewer:  Okay And if it's made out of, what is a sack?
342:  Well uh a sack can be paper but most of the time I think uh uh a lot of times it's rag I mean uh materials you make it out of some sort of materials you can make a sack out of that or {NS} you know you think of sack dresses now #1 {D: huh lee} #
interviewer:  #2 yeah right # What about the big uh the heavy real coarse kind of sack potatoes used to come in what did they call that around here
342:  Oh that's something I never can think of I was trying to think {NW} {D: Probably could} {C: overlap w/ interviewer}
interviewer:  #1 gunny sack #
342:  #2 gunny # sack Uh
interviewer:  #1 Some people call it a burlap bag #
342:  #2 yeah # Burlap bag
interviewer:  You know burlap a lot of people buy now put on their walls just like wall #1 paper #
342:  #2 that's # what I'm going to make my {NW} drapes #1 out of I'm going to make my den drapes #
interviewer:  #2 yeah we had one time we had # some curtains that were made out of burlap and they were really
342:  #1 They're my daughter #
interviewer:  #2 fine looking #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  my daughter has uh she has the idea of what I'm going to do with this
interviewer:  Oh {NW} {NW}
342:  I told her I was gonna let her make them {NW} But burlap I never can think of that one particular thing
interviewer:  {NW}
342:  I want to say burlap and I what I was trying to think of but as you say so often they'll say it's a gunny #1 sack you know #
interviewer:  #2 gunny sack #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # What about a what have you ever heard anyone refer to a turn of corn? Talking about a measure of corn or anything like that? {NW}
342:  No, I don't believe I've ever heard it called that
interviewer:  What about a uh {NW} if the light if you turn on one of your lamps and it doesn't come on you might have to put a new what in it?
342:  Bulb
interviewer:  Mm-kay And you used to gather eggs from those two hundred and something chickens in a what?
342:  Basket. {NW} {NW}
interviewer:  What about a in the old days the women used to wear these big full skirts and they wore what under them to hold them out? metal or plastic or whale bone what?
342:  uh well they wore a bunch of petticoats #1 for one thing #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
342:  But you uh talking about the uh uh wait a minute Barbara's got one upstairs right now I know what you're talking about a hoop
interviewer:  Mm-kay yeah we used to hit uh my mother and grandmother used to sew uh {NW} for that cotton ball #1 thing that they used to have on the Chattanooga and they used to have a #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm #
interviewer:  #1 big hook #
342:  #2 # We had the sesquicentennial here in nineteen-fifty-five and we everybody had to wear hoop skirts and that's the reason Barbara's is up my daughter's or rather I wore it it was one of the uh ladies that was working at the library and she told me she said you just take that thing and keep it I don't want it {NW} so it's hanging up in my attic #1 right now #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # Well, you never can tell it might #1 come in handy some time #
342:  #2 Well that's right! # Some of these days you know you might want to make a costume or a #1 dress or something and it #
interviewer:  #2 right # and if you should ever want it #1 That's the kind of thing that'd #
342:  #2 That's it! #
interviewer:  #1 be impossible to find if #
342:  #2 that's right #
interviewer:  you didn't already have it stored #1 somewhere #
342:  #2 you just # can't find them
interviewer:  What about a little thing like a barrel except nails or something like
342:  Keg
interviewer:  okay And something made out of wood that you might put in the end of a bottle to keep the liquid from coming out
342:  {NW} Stopper {NW} {NW}
interviewer:  What about a thing that a man blows on and plays Harp #1 Okay, what if he #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  flips it this way and played it
342:  It's a juice harp
interviewer:  #1 That'll pinch your lip if you don't #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 {D: watch it} #
342:  #2 {NW} # Yes it sure will. {NW}
interviewer:  What do you use when you're driving a nail in a {NW} board or
342:  Hammer.
interviewer:  {NS} Okay {NW} and the {NS} thing on a wagon that sticks out in the #1 Front #
342:  #2 tongue #
interviewer:  Okay {NW} What about if it's a buggy? {NS}
342:  #1 Uh, uh yeah #
interviewer:  #2 if it's got two of them sticking out sticking out #
342:  I had forgotten what you call #1 those things #
interviewer:  #2 you ever hear them # called shaves or
342:  Oh yeah, it's the buggy shaves
interviewer:  Okay
342:  I've ridden behind many a horse in a buggy I used to think that was the grandest #1 thing in the world #
interviewer:  #2 Oh uh # {NS} yeah {NS} #1 We used #
342:  #2 to get #
interviewer:  to have an old uh {NW} not really a buggy but a nice wagon
342:  #1 Mm-hmm #
interviewer:  #2 that I used to love # to drive
342:  Well we of course as I said when I was growing up and we had to go go to the country we used to as I told you awhile ago we used to ride horses every night
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  Uh, there were uh there were six couples of us that all would get together there was some neighbors that had horses and one of the boys had a brother who had a big black horse that I rode all the time and we would ride into Murfreesboro and around the race track and the fairground #1 there and #
interviewer:  #2 oh yeah #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  uh {NW} just had children really don't know how to really enjoy themselves now
interviewer:  #1 They've gotta be entertained all the time #
342:  #2 Oh, yes # #1 We didn't #
interviewer:  #2 You know that's # still a big thing up there though course that big #1 walking horse business thing, yeah yeah #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm in {D: Chevrille} #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  Well it was really I think it really started out more or less in #1 Murfreesboro, apparently {D: there was a} #
342:  #2 yeah #
interviewer:  #1 first one to have a formal horse show #
342:  #2 That's right mm-hmm #
interviewer:  There we go What about a before you'll see people in the spring time before they can plant they have to get out and do what
342:  #1 plow #
interviewer:  #2 to the land #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # Do what?
342:  Plow
interviewer:  Okay and after that to break up the clods and everything they run a what over it?
342:  Mm
interviewer:  Some people call it a
342:  cultivator
interviewer:  All right or a harrow or
342:  #1 Well, a harrower #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
342:  #1 too they #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
342:  have to {NS}
interviewer:  And uh
342:  but they have a cultivator that breaks up a lot of it too
interviewer:  yeah
342:  course they used to say harrow. I mean they used to harrow it all time cause they had that thing that pulled along #1 behind it #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah # what about a s- they got a stump or something out in the field they'd have to hi- they say yesterday we hitched a chain to that stump and what it out of the field? {NW} Mm #1 Is a #
342:  #2 {NS} #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  #1 Drag it out #
342:  #2 e- #
interviewer:  #1 Drag it out #
342:  #2 well #
interviewer:  #1 Pull it out #
342:  #2 {D: it'd be} #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # Drug it out I guess I don- {NW}
interviewer:  What about a thing when and then you had a wood burning stove. Out in the back they'd have a rack that was shaped like two X's and they'd put a log in here and saw it. What did they call it?
342:  #1 Hmm #
interviewer:  #2 They call it # Some people call them saw horse or #1 saw rack or saw {D: buck} #
342:  #2 Well uh # it's a saw horse most of the time I think that they I've always heard it called
interviewer:  Okay
342:  If they put them there and get out there and have to {NS}
interviewer:  Yeah
342:  #1 Saw across #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
342:  {D: sitting}
interviewer:  What about a thing that men used to have to sharpen their razors on leather
342:  Mm leather strop
interviewer:  Mm-kay
342:  Or strap {NW}
interviewer:  I've th- I've always heard it called a strop #1 I don't know whether it's spelled with an O or an A or how it would #
342:  #2 I have too #
interviewer:  #1 be spelled #
342:  #2 I I- #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # Mm- don't know really I've never paid too much attention to it but I know my daddy had one and he always said he was had to strop his razor.
interviewer:  Yeah #1 What about a #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  and you- yo- you {NW} uh n- work on your hair with a comb and a what?
342:  Brush
interviewer:  Okay. {NS} What about a couple of kids will take say a saw horse and they put a plank over it and go up
342:  Seesaw
interviewer:  Right you'd say they're out there doing what?
342:  Seesawing
interviewer:  Okay
342:  {NW}
interviewer:  What about a uh a you ever hear of a flying Jenny?
342:  Yeah
interviewer:  What is that?
342:  It's a thing very similar to a merry go round #1 Th- #
interviewer:  #2 or is it just a plank? #
342:  {NS}
interviewer:  #1 That went around? #
342:  #2 It's a # Yeah uh well I think in the olden days they'd kind of fasten one down and it'd go around and around and around b- course you know you speak y- you {NW} hear a good many old people {NS} uh older than I am may I say {NS} that uh they speak of merry go rounds you know as a #1 flying Jenny #
interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm #
342:  {NS} But uh I think mostly it was originated by just putting a plank on something and
interviewer:  Mm
342:  turning it around and around and around fastening it down where it would could go around
interviewer:  Mm-hmm I think that's probably what it was
342:  and they'd ride it but uh {NS}
interviewer:  What about something you had uh when you had a stove that burned coal or something a metal container that you had to hold the coal in next to the stove.
342:  Scuttle
interviewer:  Okay, is that what you carried the coal in with #1 too? #
342:  #2 Mm #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  and a thing and moving rocks around in your field or something you'd uh you might have one of these its got one wheel on the front and then two handles
342:  Wheelbarrow.
interviewer:  Okay and something a small thing you sharpen a knife on?
342:  Uh an emery well you could uh you mean one of those #1 little rocks? #
interviewer:  #2 right #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # Some people call them #1 whet rocks #
342:  #2 Whet rocks #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # #1 Mm #
interviewer:  #2 What about a # big one that's got a handle on it you might #1 keep it in the barn #
342:  #2 Grind stone # stone
interviewer:  okay {NS} You're right on these #1 {NW} #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  uh
342:  {NW}
interviewer:  #1 If you h- #
342:  #2 I tell you I # been in the country
interviewer:  #1 right right #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  What about if uh if a wheel on a wagon or something is squeaking you might have to put some what on it
342:  Oil
interviewer:  Mm-kay or if it's a down in the {D: herve} you might get a big can of what?
342:  Grease
interviewer:  Yeah and do what to it? {NS} could you say you're gonna what the wheel {NS}
342:  Uh #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 would you just # say you're going to grease
342:  Grease it
interviewer:  #1 okay #
342:  #2 it'd be # what I would say
interviewer:  Mm-kay
342:  to get it #1 wet with a streak #
interviewer:  #2 and you get your hands all # #1 what? #
342:  #2 yeah #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # Greasy
interviewer:  Right uh tooth paste comes in a what?
342:  Tube
interviewer:  I used to say what is inside a car tire but you know they don't make car tires with inner tubes in them anymore
342:  No they #1 don't #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # I just use the tooth paste #1 {X} #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 Ah #
342:  #2 inner # tube {NW} #1 Oh me #
interviewer:  #2 The uh # {NW} they don't {NW} I didn't realize that until one summer I tried to buy an inner tube for my kids #1 to use swimming #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  #1 and those are hard to #
342:  #2 {NS} #
interviewer:  #1 find now you used to could go to a filling #
342:  #2 you just can't #
interviewer:  station and for a quarter you could #1 buy an old inner tube #
342:  #2 find all # sorts that had been patched up #1 maybe they didn't have but one #
interviewer:  #2 Right #
342:  patch on them patch them and take
interviewer:  and now unless you buy a new one
342:  #1 that's right #
interviewer:  #2 down at Sears or # something you don't get one #1 filling stations don't even {D: bother handling} #
342:  #2 You sure don't #
interviewer:  {NS} uh do you ever hear or have you ever heard the people around here use the term right smart to mean a lot he owns right #1 smart {D: a land} #
342:  #2 yeah right # smart of land
interviewer:  okay
342:  Yes I've heard it many times {NS}
interviewer:  uh if somebody wants you to try some soap powder or something like that they're liable to give you a free
342:  Sample
interviewer:  Okay {NS} and uh something that you wear when you're cooking to keep the food
342:  Apron
interviewer:  yeah {NS} uh {NS} if somebody has a very nice dress on you might say well that sure is a what kind of dress?
342:  #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 Would you #
342:  Well pretty
interviewer:  okay
342:  Or attractive {NS} I'd say pretty
interviewer:  Okay. Do you make any difference between something that you write with and something that you pin your clothes together with do you call them both a pen or do you call one of them a pen and the other one a pin {NS}
342:  #1 Well I #
interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
342:  think I call them both a pen
interviewer:  Well I do too {NS}
342:  #1 To say {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 I have an argument with # some of my speech teacher friends over at the college say you're not supposed to but I say
342:  Well where in the world I mean if it's they're both well of course a pen if you say it distinctly uh pin of course you would say it #1 P I N #
interviewer:  #2 but people in that part of the # #1 country don't make that {D: difference} #
342:  #2 You just don't do # that you don't uh speak that uh {NS} correctly {D: I was} suppose that's what you'd call it but that distinctly I should say
interviewer:  Well
342:  #1 uh i- by saying a pen #
interviewer:  #2 yeah som- maybe in some part #
342:  or a pin
interviewer:  right
342:  you know to come out n- and say it in that #1 manner #
interviewer:  #2 yeah I- I've # I've I've never heard it around here If a man buys a
342:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 three # piece suit the pieces would be what?
342:  Uh well I would say the pants and the coat and the #1 vest #
interviewer:  #2 okay # uh and you might talking about a dress or a something might say a coat I tried that on yesterday and it {NS} just what?
342:  Fit
interviewer:  Mm-kay {NS} Uh if a man wears out his old suit he might go down and buy a
342:  New one
interviewer:  Mm-kay, a new suit?
342:  A new suit
interviewer:  kay if you put If I put rocks or hickory nuts or something in my pockets it'd cause them to what?
342:  Bulge
interviewer:  Right {NS} and if now this is what they don't do any more either but in the days before everything was {X} if you washed a shirt it might what?
342:  Shrink
interviewer:  right
342:  {NW} {NS}
interviewer:  uh
342:  Well it'll do it sometimes now if you put them in #1 dryers #
interviewer:  #2 I was # Just getting ready to say I- maybe I spoke too soon because I put on a shirt the other day that hadn't ever worn but once and the sleeves came up to about here on me when I #1 put it on and an- #
342:  #2 I know #
interviewer:  my wife had apparently #1 thrown it in the dryer with the wrong batch of suds or #
342:  #2 Ye- yeah #
interviewer:  something
342:  and gotten it #1 too hot #
interviewer:  #2 too hot #
342:  and you do that and this this stuff that we have now this polyester and knit and all that sort of stuff and if you dare put it in a a dryer I don't have one but my daughter does and I know uh the ladies that I work with up there there's one of them particularly who uh she has made nothing but double knits and two of her dresses {NS} I was {NS} amused at her uh she uh rooms with this elderly lady so Elizabeth had been sick {NS} and she had been to Florida, her home's in Florida and she had been to Florida but she had left these dresses and this uh {NS} land lady of hers had uh thought she was helping her out and she washed those things and slammed them in the #1 dryer #
interviewer:  #2 Dryer #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  {NW}
interviewer:  Oh no Well I noticed uh now you see on all of the the commercial laundries #1 {D: and everything there} #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm #
interviewer:  u- uh washateria #1 thing it has #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm #
interviewer:  a note on the dryer not #1 put double knit things in there #
342:  #2 well that's right #
interviewer:  {NS} What about the thing that you carry your money in? {NS}
342:  Billfold or purse #1 Is that what you #
interviewer:  #2 Okay #
342:  want?
interviewer:  okay and besides a r- a watch, you might wear a what on you arm
342:  bracelet
interviewer:  Mm-kay and a thing a man might wear to hold his pants up if he doesn't wear a belt
342:  suspenders
interviewer:  Mm-kay uh {NS} uh you wear it ar- you've got uh beads around your neck you'd say that's a what of beads?
342:  Necklace
interviewer:  #1 Okay, you ever heard #
342:  #2 or a #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  String of beads or anything?
342:  String of beads according to what {NW} what kind it is
interviewer:  yeah {NW} But there's an old song string of pearls I #1 believe that Tommy #
342:  #2 Yeah #
interviewer:  Dorsey or #1 {D: somebody like} Glen Miller #
342:  #2 Yeah #
interviewer:  Somebody used to play
342:  I think Tommy Dorsey played that and
interviewer:  What about something if it's raining you might #1 put one up over your head? #
342:  #2 umbrella #
interviewer:  Mm-kay Now uh something after you make up the bed you put a what on top of the bed sp- uh over it
342:  Bed spread what you want me to say, counterpane? #1 Oh yes #
interviewer:  #2 well have you ever heard {D: calipan or calipane) # that?
342:  I had one my mother {NS} had a beautiful white one of these you know that were the raised looked liked embroidery on it you know {NS} and on our guest bed and I had a little dog when I was growing up {NS} and uh she didn't course she stayed in the house all the time but uh she loved to ride in the car and I'll never forget one morning mother took me to school and it'd been pouring down pitch forks just pouring you know? {NS} and she came back and she wouldn't let Trixie go and she had j- we had just let Trixie in the house after she had been out {NS} and he was white so when she ca- when she went back in of course Trixie had been right up in the middle of the bed the minute she heard mother mother down she went with this red clay you know #1 where she had #
interviewer:  #2 aw #
342:  been out in a part of the yard
interviewer:  Well that won't {C: 342 overlap {NW}} come out either
342:  No she had to work she went ahead and washed it right straight of course and and it had not gotten enough on it but {NS} her little old tracks were all over that
interviewer:  Yeah
342:  course and you know what she got
interviewer:  Yeah I can imagine {NS}
342:  #1 I don't blame her #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # on the old beds they used to have a pillow that went all the way one pillow that went all the way across
342:  Bolster
interviewer:  Right and uh
342:  I imagine that a lot of these questions if you asked younger folks that {NW}
interviewer:  #1 No they #
342:  #2 {NW} # {NW} {NS} {NS}
interviewer:  When up in the {D: mar in locks} out there in Hixson when I was home not long ago and was looking through some old #1 stuff of my grandmothers that we had not even looked at #
342:  #2 yes #
interviewer:  looked at we just threw up in the loft there and she found a bunch of quilt {D: pocks} that had already been pieced and
342:  oh
interviewer:  all that she needed to do was go out and find some #1 batting #
342:  #2 somebody # to and some batting an- and the lining {C: overlap w/ int.} {D: for them and have them} #1 quilted #
interviewer:  #2 she made us those # and gave them to us for Christmas and I can't get my wife to use them you know she'll say oh I'm freezing to death and I'll say well let's ge- the get quilts and {D: no} she'll say no the quilt's not warm so we get into this whole thing all over again yeah a quilt's as warm as #1 as anything no #
342:  #2 Well, I- I # disagree about blankets I- I like blankets and their soft but and light but um uh so many people course are li- they have the same idea
interviewer:  mm-hmm
342:  but I- I was brought up with #1 quilts and #
interviewer:  #2 well I like # #1 to feel a weight on me #
342:  #2 an- you- a- # the weight and and then it I don't know you can just sort of snuggle down and #1 and twist #
interviewer:  #2 that's right #
342:  a little bit and it gets right next to you you know and it keeps you good and warm you had to sleep under five or six of them
interviewer:  right What about a when you had a lot of company and no place to not enough beds you
342:  Pallet
interviewer:  right {NW}
342:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 press down on the floor there #
342:  I do that in my living room for all my grandchildren a lot of times {C: laughter}
interviewer:  Well they love it too
342:  Oh they do love it they just {NS} {NS}
interviewer:  I guess uh {NS} we all, y'all weren't cut off during the flood from the other we were you know we were cut off completely in Florence we couldn't get out of Florence #1 every road into and #
342:  #2 well we # The funny thing my husband was supposed to go to Little Rock #1 Arkansas they ha- #
interviewer:  #2 is he still with the # fire department
342:  Uh no he retired three years ag- {D: well be} three years in July {NS} but uh uh they were to go to Little Rock, Arkansas to make their invitation for the state tournament or the south eastern tour- bowling tournament here he's a life member of the #1 bowling association here #
interviewer:  #2 He's really into bowling in a # #1 big way isn't he #
342:  #2 oh he # bowls lord help us {NS} I tell him that when I- I always told him all our married life and I- I tell him that uh {NS} when I get ready to die if he's bowling he'll say wait till I get back and then you {NW} course that makes him mad you know? {NS} Uh but uh he loves his #1 bowling, so #
interviewer:  #2 Well he couldn't get out to go to # #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  #1 Arkansas? #
342:  #2 well the # funny thing that morning uh of course {NS} uh we heard it raining but you know you when you're sleep halfway and uh you just didn't realize you know it had rained that #1 much #
interviewer:  #2 right #
342:  And of course when I got up {NS} uh I looked out the back and it's low back down in a little part of our lot back here and uh there's a big field back there there and once before the water had gotten up and gotten almost up to our storage house back here
interviewer:  Hmm {NS}
342:  one time {NS} and uh but after that uh the side of our lot out here I mean it's the alley ways supposedly and they put then three of these huge pipes in across the alley way you know to carry this water and that's the first time that it has been up but it got up into our little storage house down on the lower end of the lot {NS} that morning and when I got up and looked got up and looked out of course saw all that you know and then we of course I got him up because we were he was going to get ready to leave they were to leave at eight oh clock
interviewer:  yeah, yeah {NS}
342:  You couldn't get anywhere {NS} finally his brother was going and uh the funny thing there was uh one of the bowlers that was supposed bowl on their team {NS} uh this was on a Friday morning you know
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  and on Wednesday night {NS} this man had bowled {NS} and then he came down with a kidney stone and they had had to put him in the hospital and he had not passed it so it went on and uh they didn't think that Charlie was going to get to go {NS} and he was about to die
interviewer:  yeah
342:  on that account #1 you know #
interviewer:  #2 yeah right #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  so uh anyway Claude had already gone and called and called to get somebody else you know to take Charlie's place with their team
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  and he had gotten this {NS} guy to say that he would take it I mean would go but he wasn't going to leave until the morning that they were going to bowl Saturday Saturday morning and drive on into Little Rock. Well uh Charlie this man that I was speaking of their uh team here uh worked {NS} to issue the invitation that night they were to be in Little Rock that night at seven oh clock to some sort of a banquet or something well uh {NS} during the morning anyway after they found out and one of the men lived way over on the other side of town where you couldn't get out cross or anyway you know around and about {NW} so finally uh Claude says well I'll leave and go get Howard and see if I can if I can get over there to him he called they'd been {D: forwarding} backwards and forwards {NS} so he goes by and gets his brother could get #1 that way over in east part of Huntsville #
interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
342:  #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  he went by and got them and uh then they had to go way over in in northwest Huntsville a part the way of Northwest but it was {NS} off of seventy two over there {NS} and he finally had to go all the way around the world and he got over to Howard's {NS} well, before he got to Howard's this man's wife had called {NS} and the man had passed the stone and he was going with them if he could catch them if not he was going to {NW}
interviewer:  My gosh, now he's really a dedicated bowler
342:  Well she'd called and she says Miss Heron and I said what? Is chief gone yet? I said uh well yes I said they been gone about long enough to get over to Howard Campbell's I'll call him see if I can get ahold of him {NS} well would you please tell him to call me Well, I called over there and uh {NS} so I ask Howard, I said Howard {D: answered the} phone. Well, I knew of course they hadn't gone you know
interviewer:  Yeah
342:  and I said uh Howard, has Claude gotten there? and he says, well wait mrs Heron I think chief's driving up in front right now well Claude came in and I told him what Charlie's wife had said. {NW} So he calls her and here she is way back over here on the other side of Huntsville and can't get to the hospital over here {NS} to get Charlie out of the #1 hospital #
interviewer:  #2 Well # I'll be that the town is really
342:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 that's a # I saw the {NW} television of the mall which mall is it the governor's drive uh #1 right where the governor's drive #
342:  #2 uh #
interviewer:  comes into memorial park right where everything was underwater? I know
342:  No, it was right across from Dunnavant's I think what, the worst part that you saw was right down here {NS} uh it's where uh {NS} uh Dunnavant's mall as you come down
interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm #
342:  #2 {NS} # and you turn on to governor's drive #1 there #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # right
342:  it's- it was Dunnavant's mall it didn't get up into the store uh into Dunnavant's there
interviewer:  #1 but all the {D: ice} #
342:  #2 it did #
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
342:  #2 get into #
interviewer:  #1 some of the asphalt some of #
342:  #2 some of the parts there #
interviewer:  pretty deep there
342:  but uh in the uh the these little stores that are down {D: a long}
interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm #
342:  #2 they had just #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # put in this little new women's shop there
interviewer:  yeah
342:  and they had finished it up and honestly it just it was #1 all #
interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
342:  glass and it just {NS} #1 took everything #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
342:  #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  #1 and Claude said when #
interviewer:  #2 {D: I saw that} #
342:  #1 they got back #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  where they- they drove over here I never did get out anywhere I just stayed right at home {NS} I said they told Carl and told me not to try to come to the library because down in front of the fire department there were some of the cars down there #1 underwater #
interviewer:  #2 underwater # #1 completely, I saw that on the television, yeah #
342:  #2 yeah # {NW} Well, anyway well to make a long story short they finally got Charlie out of the out of the hospital about eleven oh clock and they left at twelve
interviewer:  #1 and they went h- #
342:  #2 and some of # the other bowlers had already said that they were going and they got t- they could go to Nashville
interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
342:  #2 and go across # from Nashville to Little Rock
interviewer:  {NW} #1 Now that's some really dedicated bowlers #
342:  #2 {NW} # Well, believe you me they'll go far and near to {NW} {NS}
interviewer:  What are some of the creeks around here names of some of the creeks
342:  Pinhook Creek
interviewer:  Pinhook?
342:  Mm-hmm and uh Indian Creek
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  Pinhook creek is this uh creek that you see uh that you cross coming in
interviewer:  Oh, yeah right
342:  Right there at Dunnavant's mall {NS} you know that was the worst part I mean one of the worst places {NW} {NS}
interviewer:  Well what about uh a not a something bigger than a hill y- have you ever heard of a geographical thing called a knob?
342:  Yes
interviewer:  What is a knob? {NS}
342:  Well uh it's it's larger the one thing I can say is that it's I mean if you just go up a little hill
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  You know {NS} that's a hill but if you get into a good size place it's called a knob
interviewer:  Okay what a- m- m- even bigger than that something really big would be a what? {NS}
342:  Mountain
interviewer:  Mm-kay uh what about a big rock face on a mountain that's maybe a couple of hundred feet high is a what? straight down
342:  precipice
interviewer:  Okay, you ever hear it called a cliff or a
342:  yeah
interviewer:  and if it's got water coming over it there'll be a big
342:  waterfall
interviewer:  Mm-kay uh what are some of the different types of road surfaces? {NS}
342:  Asphalt and concrete and Hmm {NS} gravel
interviewer:  okay, what about the black sticky stuff?
342:  Mm tar
interviewer:  Mm-kay and then a country road might just be plain
342:  Gravel
interviewer:  okay {NS} #1 uh #
342:  #2 or # dirt
interviewer:  okay
342:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 do you remember when they used to come around and # spray oil on the roads {D: in} you could hire a man to come around and
342:  #1 Hmm #
interviewer:  #2 put oil on the road in front of the house to hold the dust down I remember that now #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  Yeah and I've ridden over many a dirt road too behind the old buggy and and the old horse {NS} cloppity clop clop clop #1 and we used to #
interviewer:  #2 {D: raising tide?} #
342:  walk you know all the time, everywhere we'd go and I said honestly uh uh- uh- {D: is} {NS} there's speaking of being in the country used to it would thrill me to death that we just walk miles you know take off and go from here to yonder and and uh uh- just walking
interviewer:  yeah
342:  #1 you know take out #
interviewer:  #2 just the front of it #
342:  around there in the lanes and we used to have to go we we had an old Ford car {NS} and we went up and one of my aunts lived down in the end of nowhere {NS} and uh {NW} you went uh {NW} to Rover Tennessee Do you know where #1 that is? #
interviewer:  #2 No, I don't believe I do. #
342:  We- you- it's about sixteen miles from Shelbyville
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  {NW} #1 But it's sort of #
interviewer:  #2 Rover Tennessee? #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  Yeah it's it's um going on toward Eagleville
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  You know you've heard of #1 Eagleville I'm sure #
interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm, yeah I know # where Eagleville is
342:  Well you go on uh on the highway on the the I think well I believe they've paved it now since Aunt Mary passed away {NS} but anyway you get on this little uh place there at Rover {NS} what we call Rover there's a country store you know and a and you'd leave the {NW} main road there and honestly great big old boulders in the middle of th- and rocks you know and
interviewer:  yeah
342:  you'd go over this way and of course you know your axles #1 and things were way up #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
342:  high on these little wheels you know about so big {NW} that {NW} that two miles were the worst {D: than}
interviewer:  yeah
342:  going all the way up #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 {NS} # what about uh if you're walking along and a dog runned uh would run out at you and walking along a country road and a dog ran out barked at you you might pick up a what? and throw at it
342:  Stick?
interviewer:  okay or a
342:  a rock
interviewer:  Mm-kay and if you knock at somebody's door and nobody answers you say well I don't guess they're
342:  home {NS}
interviewer:  Okay {NS} #1 uh #
342:  #2 or # here {NS}
interviewer:  Mm-kay {NS} uh If somebody is not going away from you they'd be coming
342:  toward you
interviewer:  Mm-kay {NS} you might come home and if you've run if you see somebody you haven't seen for a long time you might come home and tell your husband well guess who I ran
342:  into
interviewer:  Okay and if a child has the same name as his father you say that the child is named
342:  after his father
interviewer:  what do you say to a dog to make him attack another dog {NS}
342:  #1 hmm #
interviewer:  #2 you might say # sic him
342:  sic him
interviewer:  okay
342:  {NW}
interviewer:  {D: What about a small noisy dog maybe yaps a lot ever hear anyone call them a thing like a feis or a feist?}
342:  yeah, feist
interviewer:  Mm-kay uh you ever hear anybody use the term dog bit? {NW} that he was dog bit instead of bitten by a dog
342:  Yes I've heard it
interviewer:  That used to happen to postmen a lot I don't think it does anymore
342:  Well my, this youngest son of mine uh carried the mail here for uh two summers {NW} and down here in uh well not too far from here in one of the uh housing projects and the one of these uh black men over there had They don't want to be called negroes you know now
interviewer:  right they have to called #1 Black #
342:  #2 and not colored #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # but anyway this colored man that we called him of course and he had this great big bulldog and he came out at Joe Donald one day and Joe Donald told him he says I wanna tell you right now either you put that dog up on a chain or he's gonna be a dead dog
interviewer:  right
342:  he said I'm gonna tell you I'm not putting up with it we don't have to to so he uh he fastened his dog up but
interviewer:  they're scary those #1 those bu- bulldogs #
342:  #2 oh #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 # well I had a narrow escape one time uh in nineteen forty I took census and I went started oh about uh it's about four five six miles down the highway now down the parkway then it was uh {D: whites call Whitesburg} and uh {NW} {D: the Flemings} down there at that time they owned well they owned practically all the land on both sides {NS} and what's all built up now and they had this huge big red barn back over on one side from their home and all these little red cabins where the darkies lived #1 you know that worked their #
interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm #
342:  farm {NS} and it was back they were back a good little piece and kind of uphill off of the highway and I parked my car and started up the pathway going up to the first one {NS} and they had a wire fence around the this one well the little houses were just one room places and uh this it was you know you just look in the door and it was dark #1 you know #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
342:  sort of inside {NS} {NS} well it was of course in the early spring and the grass big high grass you know that had fallen over and was brown and all {NS} and it so happened that uh {NS} I saw this {D: negro} woman in the house and I was just {NS} sort of humming and singing to let her know that I was coming up that way you know and the little children were down playing in a little path down below there {NW} so uh {NS} on uh this side of the f- uh gate they had a uh wooden slat gate you know type thing with a hook barrel hook you know just #1 down over it #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
342:  #1 {NS} #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  so on this side of the thing was this huge big hole and uh on the other side course it was fenced {NS} and this {NS} grass laying down there and I didn't pay attention I just walked on up you know to the gate and she was insi- in the house and u- just as I raised u- started to raise that hook up off that gate this huge bulldog made a leap for me and if it if that hole had been on this side of the s- {D: their} thing he would've hit me and probably knocked me down no telling what
interviewer:  my goodness
342:  {NW} because he was {NS} you know what we call a brittle #1 bulldog #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
342:  #1 you know? #
interviewer:  #2 that's right #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
342:  and very much the color of that grass
interviewer:  he had been right there and you didn't see him
342:  and he was asleep
interviewer:  {NW}
342:  a- he- he- {NW} he was one of these huge tall dogs you know? great big old bulldog {NS} and I stood there and she yelled at him but she had to go out and get a piece of stove wood to make him get back and leave me alone {NS} but the funny thing after I got through with her census after I went in and and got their record and I had to go down a path {NS} my car was way on down you know on the highway parked off of it and I had to go down this path and he was laying at the side of the path down there with the children {NS} and she told me she said duh I've never been afraid of dogs
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  but I tell you that really shook me up #1 when he #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
342:  jumped at me because as I said if that hole had been there he would have just leaped right at me before I even knew what had me
interviewer:  Mm-hmm and he was so big that he
342:  #1 would've knocked me down #
interviewer:  #2 that's right # down right
342:  well I she said uh Miss Heron I don't think he'll hurt you said uh uh if you show him and says he sees that you hadn't hurt me or done anything and said I don't think he'll bother you at all if you {NS} don't {NS} pay any attention to the children
interviewer:  Mm-hmm {NS}
342:  Well I took m- set my foot in the path and started on down I thought well I'll try it and so he was as close to me as that book is right there and I just went on down the path and he just laid there with his
interviewer:  Boy that took a lot of courage
342:  Head on his paws you know I mean he just he just laid there and
interviewer:  #1 yeah #
342:  #2 looked # at me well when he saw that I wasn't gonna #1 hurt any of them #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # right he was just
342:  #1 he #
interviewer:  #2 defending #
342:  #1 he was just #
interviewer:  #2 his house #
342:  defending the house {NS} but boy you talk about it was a narrow escape it really shook me up there for a while {NS} and from there on believe you me I let people know I was #1 coming #
interviewer:  #2 right #
342:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 right # Did you ever have any mules at any of these places th- where you #1 lived or worked or #
342:  #2 oh yes # mules and horses and cows and {NS}
interviewer:  What about a- uh baby cow's called a what
342:  calf
interviewer:  Mm-kay have you ever heard anybody talking about when a cow's going to have a calf they say that the cow is going to
342:  Calve
interviewer:  Okay what about a ma- female horse is called a what?
342:  mare
interviewer:  Mm-kay, any special term for a male?
342:  #1 Hmm #
interviewer:  #2 was it called a # stallion?
342:  stallion w- what I think we've always heard them #1 called most #
interviewer:  #2 Mm-kay #
342:  #1 of the time #
interviewer:  #2 the # Thing that you nail on the bottom of a horse's foot
342:  Is a horse shoe
interviewer:  Kay and a horse's foot is called what?
342:  hoof
interviewer:  Kay, and all four of them are all four of his what?
342:  Legs?
interviewer:  Okay but the- you say one hoof, four what? Would you say hoofs or hooves?
342:  Hooves
interviewer:  Okay what about a male sheep? What's he called? {NW}
342:  Mm
interviewer:  Ever had much experience with a sheep?
342:  No I haven't I know they're the- female is called a ewe and the
interviewer:  #1 you get what #
342:  #2 male- # is a ra- uh no
interviewer:  Ram?
342:  #1 ram is that right? #
interviewer:  #2 lot of people call it that #
342:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # what do the- g- they get when they cut sheep #1 They shear shee- okay #
342:  #2 wool #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  What about a male hog? You ever hear him called anything?
342:  Boar
interviewer:  Yeah and he has big what? big long
342:  tusk
interviewer:  Yeah
342:  that's another thing I had experience with this old gentleman that uh he had a little cabin uh house it was a not a little more than a cabin it was a regular little house when he had his big farm home here and he had to go through this uh well I called it a pig pen to get across to this little house and he asked me if I'd been over there and I said no and he said well Miss Heron I'll go with you cause I don't want that boar out there to bother you so we went across in our very uh cautiously took my way across that pig pen and we got over there and I got the it was a little couple with a baby
interviewer:  Mm-hmm
342:  and that girl walked across that thing all the time with that baby you know and he was used to her I reckon but that didn't make too much difference little bit later on this old gentleman was so nice to me about cause I asked uh you know if there were people back behind him or people that I couldn't find #1 you know or #
interviewer:  #2 mm-hmm #
342:  couldn't even see the houses and what have you and he carried me way back over in there where the houses were you know he told me I wouldn't I wo- couldn't find my way but he could and he graciously carried me back there and I got the censuses of course of these people lots of people that I ran into didn't even know what a census taker was they'd never hear of them
interviewer:  I can imagine
342:  and I had many funny experiences
interviewer:  #1 I- I was just gonna say man taking the census must really have been something #
342:  #2 Mm-hmm # I tell you I had some of the funniest experiences that I ever had #1 in my l- l- #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
342:  life I had a laugh and course I'm the type of person that I just get a big kick #1 out of {X} #
interviewer:  #2 well that kind of thing # thing is really enjoyable if you're the right kind of person you know that can #1 see the use of some of it #
342:  #2 I thoroughly enjoyed it # and uh but anyway what I was gonna tell you it wasn't but a few weeks after uh well I said a few weeks I guess it was about six months after that but this same boar he started out through that lot and he attacked him
interviewer:  #1 Aw, the old man? #
342:  #2 and he # died from it
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  #1 goodness gracious well now I've heard that they course I'd always heard it was the like the sows that were the worst to get after you #
342:  #2 mm-hmm # Well this was a boar an- and uh he he really went after him got him down and just really
interviewer:  Yeah well they can really
342:  fixed him up
interviewer:  yeah what do you h- what terms have you heard for the sound that a calf makes when it's lonesome or calling for it's mama? Do people call that a bawl or a blade or a bleat or what?
342:  Well I would say bawling
interviewer:  Okay, what about the sound a cow makes at feeding time? You ever hear that called a moo?
342:  #1 Moo #
interviewer:  #2 or a {X} # Moo okay What about the sound that a horse makes? People might call that a whinny or a wh-
342:  whinny
interviewer:  Okay uh what about an old hen that's trying to hatch eggs? What do you call her?
342:  Uh well when she sh- ruffles out her feathers and let me see been a long time since I raised chickens
interviewer:  {NW} we used to call them broody hens some people called them setting hens
342:  Setting hens
interviewer:  Okay
342:  was what we usually
interviewer:  When you had a mother hen with little chickens they used to have kind of a thing that like this that had slats in it you'd put her in there to
342:  chicken coop
interviewer:  right and what about the part of the chicken when you kill it and fry it and then two people pull on it and make a wish?
342:  Pulley bone
interviewer:  Mm-kay uh you ever heard of the term {D: haslets} {D: haslets} or chitlings for the
342:  chitlings
interviewer:  okay and uh you ever hear anyone call cows in from the pasture?
342:  yes
interviewer:  What do they say?
342:  Uh well let me see what was it uncle Robert used- I've heard him call them
interviewer:  #1 they call him sook cows? #
342:  #2 soo- #
interviewer:  sook
342:  uh sook sook sook they'd yell that {NW}
interviewer:  uh any certain any difference for the kind of call they had for calves or would they just
342:  I never heard of the calves usually came with the mamas if they were there
interviewer:  you were talking about riding horses what when a horse is standing still what do you say to make him start
342:  get up {NS}
interviewer:  Mm-kay and uh what about to uh
342:  Whoa
interviewer:  yeah right #1 to stop him #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  #1 #
342:  #2 #
interviewer:  Uh do you know how what to make him turn left or right?
342:  Mm well all I know is you can well you can say gee and haw
interviewer:  right #1 okay #
342:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  What about people