interviewer: {NS} {NS} {NS} {NS} {NS} {NS} {NS} Right near here, I don't know the name of the street but uh {NW} About ten years ago, no about eight years ago I lived {D: one long summer} right over here in front of the hospital on the street that 342: Uh, {D: Mar Shoots} interviewer: #1 That must be it {D:I stayed} with some friends there while I taught at the # 342: #2 {D: Mar shoots} at yes # interviewer: #1 university {D: out here} and uh # 342: #2 Well good # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 my mother's originally from Huntsville she's uh, # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 she's from {D: Haysville Green} one of the {D: Crigs} # 342: #2 # #1 One of the {D: Crigs}? Yes # interviewer: #2 Haysville Green # 342: #1 {X} # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 Well they didn't # interviewer: #2 We've still got relatives # 342: living here in the Didn't you say, didn't you say that you were from Hixson Tennessee? interviewer: Yes ma'am 342: I have a nephew who lives there interviewer: Oh, really? 342: And when you said that that morning I said, I told some of them, I said well I have a nephew who lives there now interviewer: #1 Yeah that must be, is he with, uh # 342: #2 Uh # Gene Harry, and he has his own business I think there now, he's uh in fact, uh #1 it's not going to be possible for me to be here Thursday night # interviewer: #2 Okay # 342: uh, they called this morning and his mother passed away this morning and uh, we're going, leaving for, they, uh his mother and father live in um Oak Ridge So, we're going up there in the morning and I don't know whether we'll back Thursday afternoon or not interviewer: Am I keeping you from anything 342: #1 No, not a thing, not a thing, I # interviewer: #2 else? because # of course, with being as near as I am #1 can come over at # 342: #2 Yes # interviewer: #1 your convenience. # 342: #2 Well uh # as I said and I had already I was sorry that I hadn't written you before but I didn't know at the time interviewer: right 342: Uh, I have, u- as I said, we've been expecting this message for quite some time, she had cancer and, uh. We just didn't know what time, you know it might {NS} turn up, and and sure enough it happened this morning at three thirty {NS} So, I said I had, as I had already uh told you, you know that we'd, it'd be fine for tonight interviewer: {NS} 342: So, I uh {NS} told my husband well I'll just tell Mr. Foster tonight that I'll {NS} we'll make another engagement for another time interviewer: Sure, it'll be {NS} well it can be any time, I mean it {NS} next week {NS} sometime, or {NS} later on in June because after next week I'll be on vacation 342: You'll be on vacation for awhile. Well, uh that is the point. I expect we possibly could make it for next next Thursday night, if that would be convenient {NS} for you because uh as far a I know now uh #1 everything will be clear # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: {NS} here {NW} interviewer: Yeah that 342: #1 I have grandchildren, I mean a grandbaby here that I keep and I do this and I do that # interviewer: #2 Oh well certainly certainly certainly yeah. If # anything comes up maybe you can always drop me a line or if you don't have time you can call over 342: Well, I knew that I could've called you today had it been necessary, but as I said it wasn't necessary{X} but we did have misfortune, my husband's sister went up too, plus it's her younger brother's wife interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and uh,she has more or less mothered him since their mother passed away and uh {NS} he called her Sunday and told her that uh {NS} he knew that his wife was very near death and sister will you please, you and h- she and her husband he's bough- he has uh retired interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and said will you please come over and So she went, yesterday and after they got to Oak Ridge {NS} and she went to the grocery for him, she usually does stock him up on groceries and she turned around and forgot something and started back in and fell and broke her right wrist both bones interviewer: #1 My # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 So {NW}, I said trouble never comes single-handedly goodness # 342: #2 {NW} # I said trouble never comes single handedly interviewer: That's right 342: It really doesn't interviewer: I tell you what that's really some something there, so she's up there with a broken wrist 342: Well, no they, her husband brought her home today. She wanted to come back home because she said she wasn't doing a- them any good and she was just in the way and {NS} she was suffering uh quite a bit with it and wanted to get down here with her own doctor and so she came in tonight and I was afraid maybe you might get here a little early because uh my husband uh, during that flood here interviewer: mm-hmm 342: It flooded out their bowling alley and he's a big bowler as you can see interviewer: I've noticed 342: and uh, they were going to have to do double shifts tonight So, uh uh I carried her home, he got her to the doctor this afternoon and he reset it, evidently or put another cast on it interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 342: #2 and uh # she said it was so much more comfortable somehow the other one up there he put a temporary cast but it had draw on her hand interviewer: Yeah 342: right in here, somewhere another and he told her, he said well I'm not criticizing, but he said I'd do it a little differently {NS} #1 so she told her she's # interviewer: #2 That's a real tricky # 342: #1 Yes, and uh she said well, # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: she says you're the one that's gonna take care of it and I'd rather you do it like you do it. {NS} So, she said it felt a hundred percent better than {NS} uh, it did coming home interviewer: {X} My left wrist will not bend back at all #1 because uh the, it was set in some some kind of strange way. I don't know what but uh, # 342: #2 because you broke it. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Well, uh they, and they told her up there that it was a clean break and when he x-rayed it here cause he x-rayed it again {NS} He told her, he said Mrs. Orison I'm sorry but there is not a clean break cause there's several fragments interviewer: Aw 342: So {D: that's gonna} take a little longer to heal and I hope it #1 won't # interviewer: #2 {X} # good that she didn't come back down here 342: Well, that's true and then she'll she'll he- she's here but as she said, she couldn't get any dresses on that she had up there with her, you know, there was nothing, she went prepared of course for the end {NW} After all that happened interviewer: hmm 342: #1 And it was very ironic that several years ago # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: uh, their mother uh, this same boy {NS} was uh, in the hospital in Oak Ridge with um {NS} low bar pneumonia. {NS} And his mother went up there and she was {NS} quite elderly and when she was up there she fell and broke her hip {NS} from which she never recovered. {NS} So, I I told him, I said well uh these Herrings better stay away from Oak Ridge. interviewer: #1 That's right there must be some kinda jinx or something. # 342: #2 {NW} # #1 that's true # interviewer: #2 that's not a bad trip from here because. # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: Well, it's interviewer: for that terrible stretch from Scott's Road 342: #1 Right up the, yeah # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 that's right # interviewer: #2 # But, I believe you go all the way to Oak Ridge on the freeway 342: I think you get almost there now, I believe that we went to we had been up there three times now, visiting, you know to see her, and uh Seems to me that we went all the way {NS} I know that last time, or not the last time but the next to last time we went we went on to Chattanooga and it was snowing, it started snowing on us. And, we were scared to death and every few minutes Claude uh had a little friend of mine that works at the library and her parents live in Oak Ridge She could uh {NS} that she was going with us {NS} and uh {NS} she was so anxious to get home, of course, you know and we had told her that we would be there {NS} and it started snowing on us up oh, just beyond Scottsboro you know just very {NS} lightly {NS} and uh, every few minutes Claude would say I don't know whether we should go home or not, I don't know where he's a little Uh, you know he's one of these kinds where if he don't think he's going then why not just turn around and go back But, we kept urging him on and the only real bad part that we had was that as we went through the is it the east part of Tenne- of, uh Chattanooga? interviewer: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm 342: You know, getting on that side {NS} and, over there i- the roads were so slick right there, oh boy they were icy {NW} interviewer: Chattanooga's a very very bad place in the snow, I of course I've {NS} #1 I've lived there country all my life in that general area # 342: #2 Yes # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Well, we finally got through that and it snowed on us pretty hard and of course it was all on the sides of the road Yeah and the roads were cleared. {NS} And it was very funny when we got to Oak Ridge it had stopped but they had about an inch and a half of snow there But, uh fortunately the sun came out and we didn't we we made it there and back interviewer: Yeah 342: safely, but it was it was really something interviewer: Well, I, it's been a long time since I went to Knoxville but it seems that the last time I went to Knoxville you could get as you go to, through Oak Ridge to get to Knoxville from Chattanooga. And, I believe you could get just about all the way on the freeway #1 from Chattanooga. And, I believe you could get just about all the way on the freeway # 342: #2 Yes I think so # Well, it was a real good road all the way and uh the last time we went, I just don't pay too much attention. Claude's the one that does the uh maneuvering in the road and I just ride, as I tell him I {NW} and I just ride as I tell him I {NW} interviewer: Chattanooga's a very very hard town to get around in even on the freeways because they #1 don't have any signs that tell you to anywhere but {X} or Richmond. # 342: #2 Which way and how? # interviewer: #1 and unless you know that you want to get to Oak Ridge # 342: #2 That's right # interviewer: on the Knoxville 342: #1 We almost got on the wrong way you know, going on out # interviewer: #2 freeway # 342: {NS} when we, when we went out to get on the freeway interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and uh, the little girl who was with us she drives it quite a bit by herself interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and she told him which way to go there to interviewer: My wife got lost in it on the way to the Smokies {X} on the way to the Smokies to visit some friends of ours that run a campground up there and I mean, we lived in Chattanooga for six or seven years but she #1 Trying to get into it from Alabama and trying to go all these different ways she didn't know where to get # 342: #2 In opposite direction # interviewer: #1 to # 342: #2 # Well, that's just like it is here now, you know uh uh, as I said, being a native you, uh course we used to know the, the city and I {NS} my mother in-law used to laugh at me about uh, being She say, I'm not going to town with you {NW} {NW} because you know everybody and you gonna stop to talk but you used to know every little crook and cranny and every little alleyway, everything you went out and where and you went interviewer: Boy, that's not true now though 342: But, honestly now I get just as uh, #1 a person who's never been here in some areas. # interviewer: #2 And my mother's re- # my mother's relatives live uh, down on Randolph street down near the #1 part of the, down near the court house square where # 342: #2 Uh-huh, yes # interviewer: it hasn't changed much once you get off of the freeway part of it and down off of you know memorial 342: #1 Who are your mother's relatives down there? # interviewer: #2 The {D: Crigs} # 342: The {D: Crigs}? interviewer: Mm-hmm, Pauline #1 and Juanita. Right # 342: #2 Pauline and and Juanita? # #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 Well, gracious goodness me # interviewer: #2 They're my mother's # aunt, their my great aunt 342: Is that right? Well, I told Mrs. Russell {NW} Who is our historian and our uh Huntsville heritage, she's in charge of the Huntsville heritage room there at the library and uh she lives just up the street from me and course we all know and I knew Edwin real well interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: And, uh they uh so we were going out the other day and I saw {NS} uh I believe it was uh {NS} Juanita {NS} and she looked so attractive and I said my stars what's Juanita doing to herself? And uh Mrs. {D: Russell} says well she keeps herself primped up and she says {NW} interviewer: they're uh they- they're staying right there in the old 342: #1 In the old home, mm-hmm, yes I know # interviewer: #2 family house # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 {NS} # The lady, they have a lady, extremely old lady who lives with them and she's remotely related but I don't even know everyone calls her {D: Huntie} 342: #1 {D: Huntie} # interviewer: #2 and I don't know uh # really what relation 342: mrs Rice'll probably know. mrs Rice who lives is a native also and she lives right up the street from them interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and, uh she had been living uh in fact she and her husband bought this house where they live uh #1 oh, many many many years ago # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: {NS} and uh it's most interesting to hear Mrs. Russell we- she and I, of course are the only natives #1 up there, # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: {NS} and I was kidding Helen about it I said well, I said you can talk as much as I can well, I don't know so much about that. {NW} I said, well I do and uh- she says yes, but I'm not a native and I don't talk like you do {NW} {NS} interviewer: #1 Well, I guess you know Frances Roberts then don't you? # 342: #2 Oh Lord # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Frances has been an old friend of mine and interviewer: #1 yes # 342: #2 she # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # she taught my olde- well, she taught both my boys #1 in school. # interviewer: #2 She's a # good friend of mine over when I taught at the university, it was small enough then so all of us were in one building we knew the history department and the English department 342: Well, Frances she thought an awful lot of my son. In fact, uh I have his annual here and I uh I was fixing some picture the other day and had gotten them out and I thought I had his uh picture from- his high school picture and, I didn't. I couldn't find it at least. {NS} So, I knew that it was in this uh annual interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} 342: and uh, I told him {NS} #1 he was # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: uh {NW} up here couple weeks ago {NW} and I told him, Jim I want your picture uh so I can have one made cause I want yours {X} {NS} That's his picture, there. When he was in high school interviewer: Wow, what high school? 342: Huntsville high. Course that was back in the days when we just had Butler High and juni- and Huntsville High and we- interviewer: Butler, now I don't know about Huntsville but I've got a lot of students 342: Well, you've had a lot of students from Huntsville High, so I'm sure from time to time I know this youngest son of ours went over there for about uh well {NW} he went over there for about interviewer: {X} 342: three or four, five months but, uh he just went- he was having a big time interviewer: Oh {X} 342: and I just laid the law down to him and I told him I said I'm trying to work and uh, doing holding down two jobs and trying to help Daddy so we can educate- give you a good education and at that time he had not made up his mind what he wanted to do, he was only sixteen when he graduated from high school interviewer: {D: Goodness, what'd-} what'd he do, skip a grade or something? {C: final sound of something overwhelmed by 342} 342: Well, yes he skipped the second grade but uh, I don't mean to say it braggingly but he uh when he was four years old he was reading anything he picked up and he had the capabilities of doing anything he wanted to do. interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: But, the little rascal uh, this brother of his of course he was a student student, I mean a teacher student, you know that type that you most teachers like to get ahold of really I {X} and uh, he was very studious and he was very sincere in everything he did and he wanted to, uh everything he did he wanted to do right, you know. And, Joe Donald was just a little devil may care, happy go lucky type and he was very athletic so, uh he followed unfortunately, by coming right behind Jimmy. interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: He skipped the second grade in fact as I said {D: by the time} the telephone rang his first year in school I expected his teacher to say or mrs Woodall, who was the principal, I expected her to say Elizabeth uh, Joe Donald's not here today oh, he hated it he came home the first two weeks interviewer: Well he's just bored 342: Well that's right. He came home the first two weeks and he said mother I don't like school, and I said what's wrong with it? and he said there's nothing to do. Well of course I realize that and I said well honey you've got books down the- I read everything we got down there which he was, it was true an- and of course I made him and but I went to his uh, to the principal who had been u- uh one of my teachers incidentally and I talked to her about it, and I said now you've heard Joe Donald read and you know what he does and I said uh, he has he's gonna have to have something to do that is more I said you know the second grade is practically a replica of the first with a little math and maybe a little bit more interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: studying added to it, but I said he's gonna have to have something to do that keeps him busy interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: So, she told me she says well let's put him in the third grade and try him I said well now if you have to put him back won't hurt my feelings at all interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: but, I said he's gonna have to have something to keep him busy. interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: So, from then on I had his report card until he was in high school, he never made a B in his life, he just interviewer: Well, I 342: and he'd never have to study interviewer: {NW} 342: So, one of the teachers, in high school uh we were sitting at the PTA meeting one night and uh {D: they} saying he had taught for forty-five years and she said she didn't know why she didn't realize that Joe Donald was- you see what I was trying to say was that all of his teachers uh as he followed Jimmy after he- he skipped that grade you see he was o- just one year behind Jimmy. interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: Well, jimmy had been more or less a perfect student and Joe Donald comes in and oh, you're Jimmy's brother interviewer: Yeah, yeah 342: Well you know one of those things, you- you being a teacher, you know what that is and he didn't uh, I kept the resentment out at home and he loved Jimmy very dearly, and still does anything Jim says is what he wants to do. interviewer: Well, that'd be awfully hard on him. 342: But the point was that- and I you know as a parent I hesitated to go and say now I want you to do this for my child I just never did believe in that. But, never the less I did go when he was in the seventh grade and I talked to a couple of his teachers and I said Joe Donald is a completely different personality and I says please treat him as such. But they didn't, you know they look- looked on him to be just like Jim. So it went through school and uh when he graduated he could've been at the top of his class if he had tried but he didn't want to be interviewer: Well, that's where he went to Florence did he come back over here 342: Well, the funny thing, see he finished uh, when he was sixteen well he was uh, an excellent basketball player so, uh one of the coaches had seen him from {D: C-M-A} and uh he came down and talked to us about him going up there Well, Joe Donald was not uh uh suited to be an engineer. I mean, he wasn't that type of person you know. I knew he wasn't but, uh this coach told us he says I'm sure that he will be granted uh a scholarship to uh, Georgia Tech {NS} he knew the coach there very well and that, the year before they had gotten this, uh young man from C-M-A and he says Joe Donald can play circles all around him. Well, uh we thought possibly the uh military discipline and everything course I discipline them at home, it wasn't that I just felt like maybe if he got into that environment, you know he would uh sort of straighten out and he couldn't make up his mind he being as young as he was he didn't now of course that was the difference between the two, because Jimmy from the time he was eleven years old knew exactly what he wanted to do {NW} interviewer: Huh 342: So uh that was what he studied for and that's what he went after interviewer: {NW} 342: In business administration in in the school and he wanted a business career and that's what he got and he, incidentally is a banker now interviewer: {X} here in {D: Nashville} No, in Birmingham for the First National Bank in Birmingham So, uh anyway to make a long story short, Joe Donald went on to C-M-A and played basketball {D: and} I never saw kids play as hard in my life uh, when this coach was supposed to be in Chattanooga Mm-hmm 342: They had the mid-south tournament you probably have heard of it you know of all the uh military schools, you know in in the area there and Joe Donald was high scorer for the whole deal in playing basketball but they played with food poisoning and we had to bring him home thinking possibly he had appendicitis and put him in the hospital when we so {NW} and that coach something happened that he didn't get to get there. So, that knocked out the interviewer: The Georgia 342: the Georgia Tech business. Well, he came home and he worked that summer and he said that he uh believe he would go, {X} he well Jimmy had been given a scholarship uh a part of the scholarship to University of Alabama on his record and the first year he was down there, so uh we wanted him to go to the university but, no he wasn't going there. So, Jimmy did. You know. interviewer: Right, right. So, I told him I said well son they don't know you from Adam down there Still though 342: and I said uh uh, but if you make up your mind what you want to do well he took the notion that he was going to Florence. Well he went to Florence but I knew he wasn't doing any good and he knew he wasn't doing any good so he came home and uh in January, and they were just fixing to have midterm exams interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and uh, I asked him I said Joe Donald you're not making any grades he was taking dancing and glee club all this mess you know that he ne- didn't need to take I said son I wanna tell you, and I'm talking facts to you right now I said now listen mother's working hard and I said if it took me scrubbing floors to try to help you get an education I'm willing to do it but I am not willing just to send you money over there and you have a big time on it. interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: I said now if you make up your mind what you want to do and you will show me that you want to study and you buckle down and get busy. I said you're gonna have to go in the service sooner or later but I said now if you can make your grades and I know you're capable of doing it so he came back home and uh he went on back to school and he came back home and he had this his buddy who was they were buddies all during school and this boy had uh- this Jimmy, his name was Jimmy also and he was going to {D: Murph's Birthday} Teacher's College but he had uh gone into the Marine Corp in the uh- military end of it you know there but he had been in uh basic, he'd had to go to camp two summers well he'd told Joe all this stuff you see e- what they went through and everything that they had to do you know and how rough and tough it was and all that sort of thing so Joe Donald came home and I was out on the Bookmobile and he found his daddy and his daddy was my husband was assistant fire chief and he, they were taking down Christmas lights and he was overseeing that down through the city and he found his daddy and he told his daddy he wanted to join the Marines. So, his daddy asked him he said well what's your mother gonna say about it, have you talked to her? and he says well daddy I know that mothers will say that anything that's honorable sh- won't she don't mind me doing it. so I came home and I had a long talk with him and I told him I said well son you have some idea of what you're going into I said from what Jimmy has told you interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: but I said, in the mean time you better buckle down. Well his daddy carried him incidentally over to Decatur interviewer: To enlist? 342: To enlist I mean to let him see about it and this guy told him that his quota was full but he said, boy I want you in the Marines so he did a little finagling I think and he got him. So him I said well heaven help you I said we've tried to rear you a Christian boy I hope you'll have the stamina to face anything they throw at you It'll either make you or break you. So, it made him. interviewer: Well that's great, is he still in the Marines? 342: And when he came out, incidentally he had to sign up for four years interviewer: Right 342: So, he went in for the four years and when he came out it was just real funny the day he got home from the Marines he says mother, what's Jim's address. Jim had gone to Birmingham, at that time he was with a telephone company. When Jim had gone into the service why uh they, when they interviewed at college and he told him that had already committed himself for his military service that he wanted to get that behind him before he went to work and the uh gentleman who came over to interview him told him he says with your record says all we want you to do if w- if you work one day or one week or three weeks or one month with the telephone company then you will have all the privileges and all everything with the phone company so he came back of course to the phone company in Birmingham and he' been with the though now for almost ten years. So uh Joe Donald wanted to know what Jim's address was he went just as straight to Birmingham as he could go and talk to Jimmy ask him what course he took at the university, he went to the university and now he's a banker. interviewer: Well I'll be 342: (NW} {NW} interviewer: The same thing just about happened to uh to my brother, he dropped out of high school and joined the Marine Corps and spent four years in the Marine Corps and then came back and uh came down to visit me in Florence and liked it and stayed there and liked it and stayed there and he's graduating this semester and {D: as an} artist, he's a ceramicist and so we're uh proud of him. 342: Well I know you are, well as I said were very very proud of our interviewer: Well you certainly {X} 342: and I think they've we have now six grandchildren interviewer: My {D: goodness}. 342: and a daughter who lives here and we're scared to death that they're gonna be moved to, her husband's with Boeing interviewer: Uh-huh 342: we're just holding our breath. and interviewer: {D: Well it's bees} Aerospace industry is dying out as badly as they say it is around here. 342: Well, yes it's dying out I'm sure of that but uh they're are so many uh opportunities for so many different uh people or different organizations to come in here, you know the materials are here and the uh the buildings are here where they can go in and do quite a number of things and uh change over into doing a lot of things I think if the opportunity if the chamber of commerce of these people who are trying to expand I- I said it amazes me because uh you know we'll read about so many being laid off at the arsenal, so many and then the next time you hear about it they're trying to hire new people and new this and new that you just never know what's gonna #1 take place # interviewer: #2 I guess sort of the economy here is shifting from the arsenal # 342: #1 Well to th- that its shifting to other things # interviewer: #2 to other things. # 342: but I said its ama- a- oo I never have seen such huge homes being built and {NS} Expensive places going up and #1 there must be money somewhere # interviewer: #2 There's bound to be {X} # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 but I- I- I- can't figure it out. # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: I don't know uh, of course they've closed down so much and they'll tell you one time you know that there's not any possibility of this that and the other. However Boeing has closed down uh of course at one time you know they were #1 a big space industry here # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: but, uh my hu- my daugh- uh son in law is a well, I said he was a cost analyst. That was what his tittle was, but he'd gone up on up and it's something else now interviewer: Hmm 342: and uh he's uh he says the only thing about uh if he knew that he could get something else, of course he has a marvelous set up where he is with Boeing right now but, neither of them want to move to Seattle and {NS} he said that if he goes to Seattle uh if he knew there was any possibility at all {NS} #1 for him to get back even back this way # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: you know. But he's gone just about as high as he can go {NS} uh, without being an engineer interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and he feels that if they sent somebody here uh higher than him, or you know even kept somebody that it would be an engineer here interviewer: {X} 342: So uh we are just holding our breath I tell you I {NS} interviewer: Well {NS} as as long I guess i- he- he has to do that to go up in the company that's the only thing 342: Well that's the only thing to do is I told him uh {NS} he- real sweet he came over here one night and we got to talking uh my daughter sells Mary Kay cosmetics{NS} she got into that after her baby was born.{NS} She loves that type of thing of course she can be at home and do whatever she wants to and when.{NS} {NS} {NS} But she was having a party and I had the baby over here one night and uh {NS} we were talking he gets over here and talks to me quite often we have long chats and he said well mom said {NS} the only thing about it that was when he told me that if he uh didn't stay with the company I mean if he did stay with the company you know there was if he gets to Seattle he has no uh definite idea that he will ever way. {NS} way. interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: But uh he said I- I just don't know and I said well honey the the thing about it is for you all I said of course you're the bread winner of the family and I said where you can make the most and the best and the best is what you have to do I said uh whatever uh course it'll leave her daddy and me high and dry here without the children but interviewer: Well 342: #1 It's one of those things # interviewer: #2 Yeah, that'd be kinda hard # {X} yeah but it's like {D: I said} if it's gone as far as 342: And then the little one of course is the only one that we've ever had here close enough to us {NS} the other five are well most of them are taller than I am now and growing up of course and we've never gotten to be very close to them but uh I called one of them awhile ago the one in Cartersville and I said uh when Tony answered the telephone and I said honey how are you and she says I'm fine she says who is this I and I said don't you- Grandmother interviewer: {NW} 342: {NW} interviewer: {D: oh lee} 342: So course it tickled her to death but this little one that I have now {D: she is a mess and she wants to stay over here with her meemaw.} interviewer: Now, that's great. 342: And barber told some of them up there today she ran by the library a few minutes and she uh had a delivery up there and she came in and uh Denice came flying back to me and says Meemaw me gonna stay at the library with you and I said she two and half years old so you can imagine. interviewer: Yeah {NW} 342: and {NW} Do you have any children? interviewer: Yes, I have a girl ten and a boy seven. 342: Oh you do? Well they are growing up. interviewer: Oh they are I was thinking about it driving over here 342: #1 Oh, {D: I'm telling you} # interviewer: #2 About how, how quick they're growing up # 342: you just don't realize they just out from under you before you know it interviewer: Well let me kind of explain what I do all I do here is just ask a #1 bunch of questions about what terms you have for things and anything you say is right because all I'm supposed to do find out what somebody as # 342: #2 {NS} # interviewer: #1 a native of Madison County says # 342: #2 Yes # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: one way or another way uh the things in the fire place there that you put the {NS} logs on are called what for example? Those brass pieces that stick up. 342: And irons interviewer: {D: Okay} and uh the part of the fire place out there where the magazine rack is sitting is called a what? 342: The hearth is what I call it #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 Mm-kay # What about the place up there where the #1 clock is? # 342: #2 The mantle # interviewer: Okay. See now over in Florence there's a lot of folks call that the fire board up there where that #1 that place is fire board? and I call it a mantle but I I- didn't know what they were talking about # 342: #2 The fire board? # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 first when they said a fire board # 342: #2 Well I've never heard it call that # interviewer: {NS} and uh {NS} #1 the smoke goes up the what to get out of the house? # 342: #2 Chimney # interviewer: Okay. What do you call the little pieces of wood that you build a fire with? 342: Kindling interviewer: Okay. {NS} That's what I call it {NW} 342: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 Uh # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # What about the black stuff up in the chimney that get on you if you reach up in there? 342: Soot interviewer: Okay and uh {NS} when ashes #1 have cooled off and everything they're generally what color? # 342: #2 {NS} # interviewer: {NS} You know you build a fire and your ashes'll be black or something but they're either black or they're what? 342: Mm Well I would say they were mostly gray interviewer: Uh what is what do you call this that you're sitting on? 342: {C: glottal stop} This? A chair interviewer: Okay. And this that I'm sitting on? 342: The divan. interviewer: Okay some people call that a davenport {C: 342 [yeah]} {D: alright} 342: They have their five-hundred things and different ways and means of doing it {NW} {NW} interviewer: What about {NW} a big piece of furniture that you might have in the bedroom that has drawers in it and you keep {D: folded} linens and things. 342: Well I call it a chest of drawers interviewer: Uh but a dresser is that the same kind of thing? 342: Well a dresser can be used for that I mean it has drawers and {X} uh but uh a chest a chifforobe you know a lot of times you'll have uh uh but a chest of drawers really is {D: what} is just the drawers that you lay your linens {C: Overlap interviewer [it doesn't have a mirror in it]} and it doesn't have a mirror} or anything over it. interviewer: And uh the 342: The dresser is what has the mirror interviewer: Right The pla- the room in the house where you prepare the meals is the what? 342: Kitchen interviewer: Okay, have you ever heard of a summer kitchen? 342: Yes I have {C: Overlap interviewer [what is it?]} Well uh a summer kitchen is out now the one that I went to at one time and they called it a summer kitchen was out away from the house and it had was just screened in interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: Well the air could go all the way through interviewer: They had a stove out {C: 342 overlap [w-]} there then? {C: overlap 342 [They had a]} 342: stove out there interviewer: Hmm 342: But now I don't that's what they called it was a summer kitchen because it was cool to interviewer: I guess that would be a reason at in- in when they used the old wood burning stoves 342: Well that's right and you have a separate place from you know heating up the house {C: overlap interviewer} interviewer: Hmm What about the part of the house up over the ceiling where you might store things? 342: Attic interviewer: Okay and the place in a house where might hang your clothes 342: Closet interviewer: Okay if its an old house and doesn't have built in closets in the bedrooms they might have a big what to hang? 342: {D: Chefrou}. interviewer: Okay uh what about a something that's on a roller that you pull down over the windows to keep the sun out? 342: Shade interviewer: Okay and if it uh it's not on a roller if it's in slats 342: blind interviewer: Okay and uh what rooms are most often found in a house? {X} 342: Well I would say a living room and a dining room and a bed room interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and a kitchen {X} and a den now course {C: overlap with interviewer}the {C: Interviewer, need to fix indicator} interviewer: Now, now that's a 342: A den is {C: interviewer overlap} yes interviewer: What about the uh safe in the kitchen what did you did you ever hear that term? 342: Oh yes interviewer: What did you put in the safe? 342: Well used to put in pies and cakes all that sorta thing {C: overlap interviewer [{X} {NW}]} interviewer: I've hear them called pie safes before but we didn't keep pies in ours we just kept fish in there 342: Well uh I- the reason that I said that is because I had an aunt out in the country that uh used to when my uh we would go for vacations my father always oh he loved custard pies {NW} {C: weird sound, not sure if it's actually the speaker or what} and uh Aunt Lizzy had one of these old fashioned safes you know that had the uh had the tin front {C: overlap interviewer} interviewer: the design 342: {X} w- yeah with the designs punched in and she would make about eight or ten custard pies {NW} interviewer: Boy she was really stocking up 342: {NW} they would soon disappear I grant you but uh uh course she had a big family she had eight children and uh then when company came you know she had to make those kind {C: interviewer overlap; Lord yeah she had to make those pies} but at that time of course in the country they raised of of their uh had all their butter and eggs and everything you know but daddy dearly loved those custard pies and I I can think about and then another thing about the safe of course was the fact that uh uh they did have screens on their windows but back in that time you know you didn't have any air conditioning and uh and it would be so hot during the day and uh after we'd have what we'd call lunch now but we'd have dinner in the middle of the day and uh everything that was left we'd put in dishes just like you do in your refrigerator #1 almost now but you would yeah # interviewer: #2 put them in the safe # 342: put them in the safe and everybody then would you'd eat off of that at night {NS} so the safe was very good for that to save things interviewer: Yeah it was a very handy thing what about old useless furniture and broken furniture and stuff and stuff like that you don't throw away you might say well we've got a room our store room's just full of what would you ever call that? 342: #1 Hmm # interviewer: #2 {D: uh} # 342: Junk interviewer: #1 Okay # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: {NW} what about uh a woman who uh going to straighten up the house or something you'd say every morning she what? did you ever hear anybody say cleans up the house or 342: Oh yes w- I do I always say I have to clean up the house interviewer: What about what would you sweep the floor with? 342: Vacuum interviewer: Okay or? 342: Or a broom {C: overlap interviewer; {X}} interviewer: Okay good uh and if it uh let's see uh if the broom is in the corner and the door is open this way the broom is where? would you say back of the 342: Behind the door {C: {X} okay} interviewer: That's right uh see it makes a difference to this survey whether a person says behind the door or in back of the door Mm-hmm {C: interviewer overlap; [X]} get a uh thing on the 342: get an idea on what of what people {C: interviewer overlap; yeah} interviewer: What about the when the clothes get dirty you say you're going to have to do the 342: laundry interviewer: Okay and to get upstairs in a building you must go up the 342: Stairway {X} interviewer: And the front part of a house especially old houses that'd sometimes be screened in people would sit out there in their 342: Porch interviewer: Okay down in south Alabama some people call that a gallery or a uh piazza and a veranda there a million different names for that 342: Well of course you know the ol' I mean the veranda was spoken of in the old South I mean in everything that you used to think about in the old colonial homes you know it was a veranda was this that and the other interviewer: Was that just like a porch? I never did figure that out 342: Well yes it was a porch interviewer: #1 I always pictured it as kind of a across between a porch and a patio # 342: #2 but- I- # Well i- it just uh I think uh my idea of the thing is very similar to uh I think when you talk about uh just like in Gone With the Wind you know that great big porch across that home interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: But it was out on the veranda you know you got out there an- and uh they s- well I'm like you i- it's a a lot of people would consider that if it didn't have a uh roof over it all the way across It would possibly be a veranda to- I mean it would be a patio type thing too interviewer: well we haven't had one of these in a long time but what about a long dry spell in the summer time when it never rains farmers call that a what? 342: hmm interviewer: some people call it a drought or just some people just call it 342: Well it's usually just a drought that's what I would call it {X} we sure hadn't had one of those {NW} interviewer: #1 {NW} # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: What about uh if the wind has not been blowing and you feel a little breeze you say it looks like the wind is say picking up or rising or 342: r- I- well I would say it looks like the wind's uh rising interviewer: Okay #1 If it's been blowing pretty hard and it's # 342: #2 I guess # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: not anymore I believe it's going to 342: die #1 it's dying down or # interviewer: #2 okay # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # And if you're in the I'll say the late fall or early winter early in the morning you go out and it'd it- i- uh when the air is real just kinda goes through you you say it sure is 342: Chilly interviewer: Okay and if gets cold enough you'll wake up and see what on the ground in the morning 342: Frost interviewer: Okay uh you get many frost over this way? 342: Oo I'll tell you the honest facts that we had frost this winter that looked like snow interviewer: You know this has been all around one of the worst years I believe in the history of this part of the country. 342: I think well I- I think it's been that way all over uh I was talking to uh some people from California the other day and in the Library and they said honestly their weather out there had been so changeable and then last night I was at my A-B-W-A meeting and this young lady that sat next to me {NS} said she was talking to a friend of her's from Panama in the Panama Canal zone #1 yesterday and she said # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: It'd been one of the worst seasons that they had had over there in many years interviewer: #1 Hmm well I- you know we didn't he- we've never hear anything about the weather in those # 342: #2 No # interviewer: #1 places like that # 342: #2 but it was just such a # uh she said that they had had uh it had not been #1 uh anything to compare with what their usual weather was # interviewer: #2 {NS} # well I you can safely say that about this last #1 eight or nine months we've had # 342: #2 Oo # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Well and the funny thing you know uh snows all around us Mobile everybody interviewer: That was the biggest freak thing I believe I've #1 ever seen # 342: #2 I know # and and then here it was you know and they would predict snow here and predict it and predict it and of course everybody I- I was so used to having a German girl that works up there with us {NS} and course she was uh as a native #1 of Germany # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: and she was used to snow you know and every time it would look like snow you know and she'd sit up there and look at it she'd say Mrs. Aaron is it gonna snow? and I'd say well that's what they say but I don't know. interviewer: you know when w- we went down over uh E-A vacation we went down to mobile #1 and the trees all down there were all broken over from the weight of all the snow on them and it really messed everything up down there and we didn't have any # 342: #2 Oh I know! # interviewer: snow at all 342: I know it! interviewer: That's just the most 342: #1 and they were so amazed you know down in that part of the country my # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: my daughter in law uh mother and father lives in Mobile and they s- and then another thing you know in Georgia uh this sister in law that I was just speaking of they had just moved here from Columbus interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: And of course you know they had the worst snow they've had there in uh years! Well whatever it is snowed that deep. interviewer: Well and that far south 342: #1 And that far south # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # Well I know my mother called us from Chattanooga and said they had a about #1 a foot and a half of snow over # 342: #2 Yeah # interviewer: there and she really thought that we'd just be snowed under and it was just a #1 a pocket right here around north Alabama we didn't get a # 342: #2 We didn't get a thing. # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: except plenty of rain but 342: Oh lord we we've had that I tell you #1 and I bet this summer well I just have a feeling that it's gonna be so dry you can't # interviewer: #2 Yeah # Afraid so #1 from one extreme to the other. # 342: #2 Yeah that's right # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: Uh what happens uh to water in the if it gets cold enough the water in your plumbing will freeze and the pipes will what? 342: Burst interviewer: Okay #1 You might say it got so cold last night the lake # 342: #2 {NS} # Froze interviewer: Okay uh but that wasn't the first time it has what before? {NS} 342: Has frozen before {X} {X} interviewer: I went up there uh {NS} three weeks ago and #1 Geraldine which was eight miles below Pike had that tornado # 342: #2 Yes mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: So I- I came back home and took a weekend off and went back up there last weekend for another interview and as I was just leaving Scottsboro I heard on the radio that Fort Vain which is halfway between 342: #1 uh Pike and # 342: #2 Yeah Geraldine # interviewer: yeah it was hit by a tornado so that's be- so we get tornadoes all the time over in Florence. {NS} That's the thing I've had the hardest time getting used to because in Chattanooga there aren't any tornadoes #1 we're down in that valley there and the mountains block it off # 342: #2 Well I said here in Huntsville i- if a torna- tornado ever hits # here we're right surrounded by these mountains and if ever hits in here it's gonna #1 really do the damage because it, right over that # interviewer: #2 well that's what they say about Chattanooga if one should ever happen to form right over that gap # 342: #1 thing it-. Round and around and it'll just tear everything up in there # interviewer: #2 It'll just run around and around # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: and that's exactly what it'll do here if ever {X} #1 gets into th- # interviewer: #2 You know when they had all that # 342: #1 flooding they were very worried about the dam in Chattanooga it had a crack in it # 342: #2 Oh I know I know # 342: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: I was trying to think my parents of course live everybody in Hixon lives above the dam #1 but I sure was glad of it when I thought about it but I was talking about the # 342: #2 Yes. Oh no # {NS} interviewer: They said that if the dam broke the entire {NS} downtown Chattanooga would be under something like forty feet of water {NS} {NS} 342: Forty feet? {NS} {NS} interviewer: #1 Not te- not permanently but just when the water came through yeah yeah and of course that right # 342: #2 When it broke well it'd kill everybody and they'd drown right there # interviewer: where Chattanooga's built I remember my granddaddy who was a native of Chattanooga uh he could remember before the Chickamauga dam was built uh there used to be a railroad {NS} 342: #1 Man # interviewer: #2 {D: Delegrapher} # #1 yeah and he said that he said that he has seen water up to the second # 342: #2 {NS} # interviewer: #1 floor of the Reed House hotel there in Chattanooga # 342: #2 {NS} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 He saw people climbing out of the second story windows and getting into boats # 342: #2 {NS} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Oh {NS} interviewer: #1 Well it must be a pretty low area right there I hadn't ever realized # 342: #2 Yes it must be # interviewer: #1 but you know when you come around the freeway you're right # 342: #2 Yes! # interviewer: #1 there on the water all that was under water during that flood # 342: #2 Right there on the water mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Well I tell you this little flood down here and uh I said honestly {NS} uh of course ha- being a native here uh the Tennessee river so many people you know fuss about the dams #1 but I said my stars if they hadn't had the dams there's no telling what it would've done around here that's right # interviewer: #2 That's right # That's right 342: because uh I have seen many times {NS} {NS} and I I- will never forget one time that uh uh the water was backed up all the way back to uh {NS} not well back past lady flag way back this way{NS} {NS} and uh{NS} uh{NS} back to {D: Willerly} Road there there's a little store {NS} {NS} and that to Farly{NS} it came all the way way back there and we rode down to see it then and that uh water was up and there was a gentleman from here who had a little skiff and he was riding everybody out into that water {NS} and I- of course I've seen the river many times when uh it was just #1 all over the place # interviewer: #2 Yeah # yeah 342: and if it had been that way this time and with the rain that we had I- I don't know what it i- would've really uh and why people can't understand those things and don't count their blessings for what they do have interviewer: That's right but then they're all griping about T-B-A 342: Oh heavens interviewer: Over there in Florence everybody was angry at TBA 342: Well you know I couldn't understand that I said honestly if they had u- they they had t- they let all that water through if all that water had co- had gotten into where it was {NS} #1 everybody would have been # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: flooded out interviewer: #1 I haven't understood it either # 342: #2 {NS} # and that's another thing that I can't understand about T-V-A and the the prices of electricity you know people gripe and they fuss{NS} {NS} #1 me closing these things do you? # interviewer: #2 no # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: But they fume about T-V-A and I just can't understand why #1 people are gonna gripe about everything under the shining sun # interviewer: #2 Yeah they're just fine to do it however # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # What if the door is open and you don't want it open you might ask someone to what? 342: Close it interviewer: Okay And the kind of house that's build not out of brick but it's built out of boards that will run this way and lap over {NS} you ever hear that called siding or weather boarding or anything like that? 342: I've heard it called siding weather boarding too for that matter but siding mostly interviewer: Okay what about the part of the house that keeps the rain off of you? 342: Roof {NS} interviewer: and uh the part of the house at the edge of the roof {NS} the things that catch the uh {NS} uh #1 water as it runs off? Yeah right. I'm sorry # 342: #2 Gutter # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: I was looking, are those spurs or something on that uh chandelier there? #1 They look like little the ends of spurs poking down # 342: #2 Well they're supposed to be # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: Well that's really 342: The people who built this house uh we bought it from the people who built it {NS} and they had a little boy {NS} and he was very uh he he liked all of his western things you know {NS} and uh everything just about in the house they had that was in his room and they have uh {NS} uh {NS} light in one of the bedrooms that's like a an anchor of a thing you know and then {NW} this uh Bob picked this out and it has the little spurs and the interviewer: Well I think it's right attractive it just kinda #1 caught my eye that's why I was # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 {X} # 342: #2 {NS} # interviewer: #1 stopped whatever I was saying trying to think # 342: #2 {NW} # #1 Yes those uh uh # interviewer: #2 it's very unusual # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: I've had several people ask me about that but it {NS} interviewer: What is that in the center? {NS} #1 Well that's just an arrowhead yeah # 342: #2 Yeah it's just an arrowhead # interviewer: #1 Well I'll be # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: {NS} What about the uh there in back there's a shed that's built out in back to store uh uh building built out in back to store things you'd #1 call it just a what? # 342: #2 A shed or a # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # #1 Well # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 # 342: uh of course {NS} #1 Theres other things you call out houses too you know but # interviewer: #2 Oh right # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 right # This would be for storing #1 {X} # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: Do you ever hear? What if it's built on to the house would that make a difference? Would you call it a storage room if it was built on to the #1 house # 342: #2 I think so # Storage room would be what I would call it interviewer: Uh {NS} what about on e- a farm? a big {NS} building that would be built out in back to maybe put #1 cattle in or something # 342: #2 Barn # interviewer: Okay. And a place for storing corn? {NS} Hmm silo? Or Okay #1 Ever hear it called a crib or a corn crib? # 342: #2 Yes I sure have. # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 Have uh # 342: #2 Fact I # played in one many a day interviewer: Yeah I was just gonna say that w- didn't y- you probably grew up on a farm around 342: No I grew up right here in the city of Huntsville but uh {NS} the {NS} uh the reason that I do know quite a bit about a farm as I told you I {NS} #1 used to visit in Tennessee # interviewer: #2 Oh # yes that's right 342: And uh I have uh {NS} been i- on a farm quite a bit in my life when I was twelve years old I uh came from Nashville after a visit and on down to visit in Murfreesboro and I spent nearly a month with my aunt there and had to uh take over the house {NS} 'cause she had a bad spell of {NS} uh kidney stones interviewer: Good gracious {NS} #1 When you were twelve years old? # 342: #2 When I was twelve years old. # {NS} and uh she cooked for nine people so I had to cook for nine people {NS} We had two-hundred-and-fifteen chickens {NS} and they milked sixteen cows {NS} and #1 Uh. You're right! # interviewer: #2 I bet you know what you say to a cow to make her stand still while you're milking her # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # What do you say? 342: {NW} Well I didn't have to milk interviewer: Oh okay 342: They milked uh the boys milked but I had to do the cooking #1 My little cousin and I # interviewer: #2 Well I'll be # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 # 342: And I- I tell you children today don't uh but we thoroughly enjoyed it. interviewer: Well yeah 342: They had a big two story house {NS} and {NS} they uh uh course this was a {D: full} hundred acre farm that my husb- my #1 my husband, my uncle was an overseer of # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: {NS} There was a doctor there in Murfreesboro who uh {NS} he was {NS} always buying up a farm you know and getting a new farm and every time he did why he took Uncle Joe to go to the new one you know and they had lived at the place they lived before that for six years. Well I knew everything about that house but {NS} uh I was brought up to work I was an only child but #1 believe you me my mother didn't believe in spoiling me # interviewer: #2 Well you know a twelve year old child nowadays # would just the way things have changed though couldn't stand the responsibility of something like #1 that # 342: #2 That's exactly right! They wouldn't know which way to start # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: We keep them we keep them #1 young longer we keep them irresponsible longer # 342: #2 uh they well that's right # #1 and then they have so many outside things to do but # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: uh we cooked on a big cook stove and had to put wood in the stove and {NS} uh I had to make biscuits every morning get up at four oh clock {NS} #1 for them to get out in the field # interviewer: #2 You got up before # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # #1 Uh # 342: #2 before daylight good # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: {NW} 342: and uh uh they they Uncle Joe would make the fire {NS} and uh then the nice thing about it though of course you hadn't we had no air conditioning we didn't know a thing about such things interviewer: enough people got along without it 342: and we got along beautifully {NS} but we'd in there with that old hot stove and I mean we'd have {NS} Sarah and I would get out there in the afternoon and uh go to the garden course they had a huge garden and raised everything except staples {NS] and we we had every day we'd cook two three kinds of beans you know peas or things of that nature {NS} everything under the shining sun just fill the top of that stove full and then Uncle Joe of course raised all his meat a big smoke house you know out {NS} where you could just go out and put hams up whatever you wanted any kind of thing and uh{X} we had everything in the world to eat but we would just uh Sarah and I late in the afternoon {NS} uh before the boys came in from the field we would go out to the garden and gather all that and have it ready to fix the next morning #1 and. Well we were ready to g- no we rode horses every night # interviewer: #2 Tell you what by the time the sun finally went down y'all were ready to go to bed I guess. # 342: {NW} {NW} interviewer: Boy 342: {NW} {NS} {NS} I tell you as I said I- I was reared in town but I know something about it and I was speaking of u- up there one day something was said at the library on break {NS} and of course the kids like for Mrs. Russell and I to get to talking about things that have happened in the past and something was said about cleaning lamp chimneys {NS} {NS} and uh {NS} so uh #1 they said, yes the old smoke # interviewer: #2 You mean those old lamps that burned the # 342: #1 th- old coal oil # interviewer: #2 yeah yeah # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 coal oil lamps # interviewer: #2 they'd get kinda smokey didn't they? # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: and they would smoke {NS} but that was all the light we had interviewer: Yeah {NS} 342: But they were huge big lamps you know and {X} called but the uh Aunt Nora had uh {NS} Aladdin lamps they were the big huge they put out real good light interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and then she had in the bedrooms of course she had the plain old {NS} {NS} kerosene lamps {NS} and every morning we had to clean all those lamp chimneys {NS} interviewer: What did you clean them with? 342: You cleaned them with just washed them with soap and water and polished them put them right back on the thing and saw that the wicks were {NS} #1 trimmed # interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: ready to go for the next night {NS} and uh when I they said something you know and some of them said well what in the world are you talking about cleaning lamp chimneys #1 and I said you all just don't know what work is # interviewer: #2 That's right # that's right {NS} 342: They don't! {NS} but we had our all the beds made up in that house we had th- the lu- the dinner was cooked and everything was ready by eleven oh clock in the morning and we had the afternoon {NS} but Aunt Nora had oodles of flowers and we'd have to pump water and carry it around in wash tubs interviewer: That's right, you uh you'd pu- prepared the hot meal in the middle of the day and then 342: #1 That's right and you snacked at night # interviewer: #2 snacked in the afternoon yeah right I remember that now # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # #1 and I lived for when I was very young # 342: #2 and # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 we lived in a real remote place over in East Tennessee where # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 I was in early junior high before we ever had electricity and I remember cooking on uh # 342: #2 Yeah # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: w- first we had a wood stove and then we got a 342: #1 Oil stove yeah # interviewer: #2 Kerosene stove yeah that had the oven that # 342: #1 Well that's yeah # interviewer: #2 went up on top of the burners # 342: #1 That's what we had at home at the time but of course I had cooked on cooked on a- a cook stove # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: My mother started me out when I was just knee high to a duck {NS} teaching me to cook and do. {NS} But I'd never made biscuits, mother would make the biscuits in the morning and uh {NS} I know when I went in we went in from the railroad station that afternoon why uh in fact the attack had hit Aunt Nora and {NS} her youngest little son came in from the field and find her on the floor it just knocked her to the floor and she couldn't get up and he ran about a mile and a half back over in the field to get his daddy {NS} and his his older brother and uh one of the brothers had come with his little sister after me {NS} and they in turn had uh they'd gotten she had sent a grocery list you know for them to get and we had a big old ice box of course you know {NS} #1 one of there kinds you lifted up and the big blocks of ice # interviewer: #2 yeah yeah, also they were supposed to # Pick you up and then do some and they had gone to the store and had gotten all the staples you know 342: the sugar and the flour and the coffee stuff that they needed like that and then they would 342: That water was the hardest water and nothing would lather in it interviewer: at what my wife is from Shelbyville and they still have a #1 problem with the water over there in middle Tennessee having all the minerals in it and everything # 342: #2 Yeah yeah # and I tell you I never have seen such water in my life and of course we'd have to scald everything you know to get anything off of it and uh then uh they laugh you know talking about washing in a wash tub with a and when I was growing up {NS} I used to have to go in from school in the afternoon kids don't know anything about that today but I used to have to go in from school in the afternoon and uh fill up three #1 three wash tubs you know # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 excuse me there is excuse me # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 That's my son I guess calling from Birmingham # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 {X} # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: from Birmingham but he's going to try to come on over there interviewer: {X} 342: Mm-hmm interviewer: Now that's a hard drive from Birmingham 342: Yes it's a hard drive but he says there's two other officers already out of the bank and he can't couldn't very well leave before Thursday morning to save his life and then he'll have to be back Thursday night {NS} interviewer: #1 goodness gracious # 342: #2 and his wife's # grandmother is right at the point of death down there interviewer: #1 In Birmingham? # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # {NS} said everything was happening at interviewer: #1 once it's just # 342: #2 Boy it seems like # #1 that's the way it always does # interviewer: #2 Oh, that's the truth when it # 342: as the old saying is it never rains but when it #1 pours # interviewer: #2 pours right # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # What about the uh the top part of a barn where people store hay and everything kids used to 342: Loft interviewer: Okay 342: Yeah I played in the lo- #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 Yeah, right # uh 342: {NS} {NS} interviewer: uh what about a barn built especially for cows where you might buy milk and butter and that kind of thing? 342: Dairy interviewer: okay 342: That what you want? #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 that'll be fine. What about a # Place righ- in a barn where you might keep a horse 342: Stable interviewer: Okay uh Have you ever heard the term milk gap or something like that for- for a place where cows are milked 342: No, I don't believe I have interviewer: What about a place where you might keep hogs? Or pigs? #1 What would you call? # 342: #2 Well, # uh that's a pig pen! interviewer: Okay 342: {NS} #1 I'd say # interviewer: #2 Uh # 342: {NS} interviewer: {NS} The- the fenced in area around the barn would you, have you heard that called the lot or the barn yard or the what? 342: Well I've heard it called both interviewer: okay 342: or the barn lot you know a lot of people do say #1 barn lots # interviewer: #2 Right # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # What about uh a place where cows and horses graze? {NS} #1 {D: there would} out in the # 342: #2 I'd say the # say the pasture interviewer: Okay you ever seen anybody get out with a hoe and weed cotton or thin cotton out? #1 uh, what do they call that? # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # interviewer: {NS} 342: uh well let me see {NS} interviewer: did you ever hear it called #1 chopping cotton? # 342: #2 Chopping cotton. # interviewer: #1 {NS} # 342: #2 # interviewer: You know something I remember just barely but I can remember my mother telling me when she was visiting relatives here that uh up until aw the last I guess the last twenty years or so they used to let the county schools out 342: #1 every year f- for # interviewer: #2 for chopping cotton # picking cotton 342: Well, let me tell you uh for picking cotton uh i- that's that there's gone on right here in this county up until {NS} I guess well I'll say the last four or five years #1 maybe # interviewer: #2 Really? # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # I thought maybe with the mechanical #1 cotton picker # 342: #2 oh # uh, it uh well until they were very plentiful now it may be a little bit longer than that but not too much longer that they used to uh they'd have to start to school the first day of or in August interviewer: mm-hmm 342: And they would go to school a month or six weeks and then they'd be out for cotton picking. interviewer: That's right I remember her telling me about that 342: Yes sir that was that's that was a thats that was a standard thing here in the county I know #1 for many years. # interviewer: #2 What about a big area where cotton's growing you # #1 call that a cotton wh- Okay # 342: #2 Cotton field # interviewer: {NS} What about, you mentioned a garden a moment ago what kind of fence are you most likely to see around the little garden patch? Would it be a {NS} A l- little white wooden fence that's comes to a point you'd call that a what? {NS} 342: Mm Well, let me see I don't #1 really know # interviewer: #2 some people call it a # 342: #1 paling fence or a picket # interviewer: #2 Uh well # fence #1 or # 342: #2 I'd # say a picket fence. interviewer: Okay {NS} 342: Do you know you call the th- the little boards palings, I mean they #1 used to say that # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 342: You know but it's a picket #1 fence around # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 okay # What about a fence that's where you keep cattle or something a fence that's made of a #1 certain kind of wi- # 342: #2 Barbed # wire interviewer: {NS} And uh back when the days when logs were real plentiful people used to split logs and make these fences out of {NS} uh #1 that run zig zag. Yeah # 342: #2 Rail fence # interviewer: Okay {NS} and uh {NS} now they have the wire fence and th- every so often the wire's tacked up to some what? 342: Post interviewer: Mm-kay And of course if you were up in Middle Tennessee you saw plenty of these fences made out of uh rocks out of the #1 field I guess # 342: #2 Oh # yes interviewer: What do they call those just a stone fence a rock fence or something 342: Well, I think most the time I heard it called a stone fence #1 Fence # interviewer: #2 Okay # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 # Yeah, I- I don't believe there's a must not be any place in the United States where they get as many rocks out in a field as they can get up there in Middle Tennessee {NS} 342: Well, not up around Shelbyville {NS} Lord help that's the rockiest place that I have that I have ever seen I I think just about except in a a cavern or I mean uh {NW} #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 Between # 342: #1 out West # interviewer: #2 Shelbyville # Between Shelbyville and Murfreesboro I have seen houses, little farm houses {NS} sitting on just #1 Solid limestone # 342: #2 Rock # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: Na- there wasn't a there wasn't a #1 blade of grass growing anywhere they were just # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 built right on the rock # 342: #2 That's # beautiful country up between {D: Tidwell and Shelbyville} uh that winding road up there is perfectly beautiful that's that's prettiest country but oh those crooked roads and those hills My daddy used to tell me when I was little girl you know that uh you'd see them plowing those hills you know round round round and round round and used to tell me that they had one leg shorter #1 than the other {NW} # interviewer: #2 {NW} # #1 to keep from # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 falling down the hill # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: Oh me what about a uh your best dishes you might say well we're gonna have company we'll get out the good 342: China interviewer: Mm-kay {NS} and something if you had a well you might draw the water up in a what? 342: um- a bucket interviewer: Mm-kay Is a bucket the same thing as a pail? {NS} 342: Well, yes interviewer: okay That is to me #1 too we called it we cou- we could # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: carry water in the thing and it was a water bucket #1 and we could pour the # 342: #2 Yes # interviewer: water out and #1 put milk in it and it was a milk pail # 342: #2 and it was a milk pail, that's right # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 uh # 342: #2 and those old # cedar ones you know that they used to have with the bands around it interviewer: Yeah 342: you know interviewer: now #1 somet- somthi- # 342: #2 those are # water buckets #1 I mean # interviewer: #2 right # 342: used to have water buckets you know and the funny thing I I- think so often you know {NS} uh used to we went out I know when I was growing up we had a a little wash stand on our back porch and had the water bucket and of course uh we never had a well here in town #1 but it was # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: But we had a hydrant interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} 342: But we had to go out to the hydrant about as far as from here out in the hall and uh draw your water and then you'd bring in that water and and set it down there with the dipper and everybody drank out of the same dipper {NS} and you know we didn't get too many #1 diseases # interviewer: #2 I know it # I know it 342: and used to you'd go into the country you know and and everybody'd drink out of the same dipper you'd just go to the uh water bucket and get a interviewer: That's 342: a drink of water out of the dipper and that was it interviewer: that's right 342: and an old gourd dipper at #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 yeah that's right I was just # #1 getting ready to say nine times out of ten # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: it'd be a gourd 342: {NS} {NW} true #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 What about the # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # you were talking about cooking a minute ago what abou- what did you fry things in in uh what you still do what do you fry eggs in in #1 the morning? Okay # 342: #2 A # skillet. interviewer: Have you ever seen one with legs on the bottom of it? The three legs? 342: Yes I've seen them #1 Have you ever heard any- # interviewer: #2 I was trying # 342: to think uh have you ever heard a skillet called a spider? interviewer: No {NS} 342: {NW} interviewer: Is that one with legs on it? 342: {NW} No #1 But uh, I- I don't # interviewer: #2 Then why did they call it a spider? # 342: {NW} {NW} The funny thing this uh friend of ours in Columbus who is a they were neighbors of my sister in law's when they lived in Columbus and uh one day {NS} we were in Columbus visiting {NS} and Miss {D: Soule} was there and uh {NS} something was said and Louise was cooking and she had the skillet sitting on the stove and Miss {D: Soule} said uh well I think her grease was getting too hot you know and she hollered at Louise and she said that grease in that spider's getting too hot {NW} interviewer: Oh my goodness #1 You wouldn't know what in the world # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # I looked at her {NS} and I said what did you say? {NS} She said that grease in that skillet is getting too hot. interviewer: #1 {NW} # 342: #2 and that # spider's getting too hot {NS} interviewer: {NW} 342: {NW} {NW} My eyes I know #1 jumped {D: about} halfway out of my head # interviewer: #2 Well I guess so # 342: {NS} Because I had #1 never heard # interviewer: #2 that's a really a # strange thing to call a #1 skillet isn't it? # 342: #2 A skillet # is is called a spider and where they get the spider out of it I do not know {NS} interviewer: #1 what # 342: #2 but she # said she'd called that that all her life {NS} I mean in {X} #1 She'd known that as # interviewer: #2 well that's very strange # #1 I can't understand why # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: What about the big metal things that they used to boil the clothes in out in the back 342: Washpot interviewer: #1 Okay # 342: #2 That's another # thing I had to go home in the afternoon make a fire under and fill up those tubs {C: laughter} interviewer: I have a friend in Florence who's a a desk jockey and I heard hi- he gets all these little sayings I don't know where he gets them {NS} but he said the other morning that uh {NS} children wouldn't be so much trouble of they had to chop wood to keep the television set going 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 Amen # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: {NS} Amen I tell you I- I could agree with him there {NS} like I started saying awhile ago I used to have to #1 go home and- and uh # interviewer: #2 {C: Clock} # 342: #1 fill up these three tubs # interviewer: #2 {C: Clock} # 342: {NS} and uh wash on a scrub board interviewer: yeah 342: wash all the clothes over it and it was my job I was alone of course but my mother was working interviewer: Mm yeah those little scrub #1 boards {X} # 342: #2 and I had to go home and # scrub the clothes I had to go out and make a fire under the wash pot and boil those clothes in that washpot interviewer: after you got them all soapy you had to 342: and then you had to rinse them interviewer: How did you do that? Did you have a separate 342: #1 pot? # interviewer: #2 I had # 342: uh, well no I had three tubs interviewer: oh yeah 342: and I would let them drip of course as long I- hold them up with a wash #1 stick you know that # interviewer: #2 Yeah # 342: the stick that we poke the clothes with {NW} woo interviewer: What about have you ever heard now a man over in Morgan county told me about a battling board or something he said that he described it to me in a that they would poke the clothes around but then they would put them on a frame or something and hit them with a stick 342: #1 well you know th- they used to uh they used # interviewer: #2 and {D: you've got a battling board} # 342: t- d- uh they used to do clo- well they do now uh natives in uh many foreign lands you know will take them out on #1 rocks # interviewer: #2 and beat them # #1 on the rock # 342: #2 And beat them. # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # you know interviewer: We used to that in the Army when we had to have {NS} uh {NS} 342: Your #1 clothes # interviewer: #2 clean # #1 t-shirts, we would # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # interviewer: get in, all our t-shirts would be dirty and we'd get in the shower 342: #1 Mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 and # soap them up and then just beat them on the shower #1 wall and it would # 342: #2 yeah # interviewer: #1 get the dirt out of them very nicely # 342: #2 that's right # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: kind- guess it was kinda hard on the cloth. 342: {NW} interviewer: Uh interviewer: What about something that if you cut some flowers out in the yard you might put some water in a what and #1 put the flowers in it # 342: #2 vase # I say instead of a vase interviewer: {X} 342: We used to have uh uh a- l- {NS} an old a typical old maid who worked at the post office here many years ago {NW} and uh it was just very funny, everybody knew about {D: Miss McCrakin's} vases #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 {NW} # Oh me I just can't, I've never been able to believe that there're people that really call them that a- you know 342: #1 Oh, she did # interviewer: #2 really called them that # 342: {NS} You- you just dare say a vase to her and you just ha- had it interviewer: Mm 342: That's all it took that was {D: Miss McCrakin's} vases {NW} a vase interviewer: When you set the table the silverware you put down what? You put down a what and a what? 342: Knife fork and #1 spoon # interviewer: #2 Mm-kay # 342: {NS} {NW} #1 Is that what you wa- # interviewer: #2 and # right, when you wash the dishes what do you wash them with? uh 342: Washcloth interviewer: #1 Okay and you'd dry- you- You ever cal- Okay # 342: #2 or a sponge or a dish cloth # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: What about a, what do you dry them with? 342: Well that's what I dry them with is a dish cl- a well you dry them with a cup towel interviewer: Okay {NS} What about a cloth that you wash your face with what do you call that? 342: That's a washcloth I say interviewer: and you dry your face on a {NS} 342: towel interviewer: Mm-kay {NS} and uh the thing that you turn on to get water {NS} in your #1 sink is a what # 342: #2 faucet # interviewer: Mm-kay and outside it's called a hydrant 342: {X} {NS} interviewer: I noticed you mentioned that a moment ago {NS} What about a big wooden thing you can buy these now I understand for something like six dollars each {NS} big wooden thing 342: a barrel interviewer: Right {NS} some, one of the students over at Florence State went up and bought about ten of those old whiskey barrels from the Jack Daniels distillery and brought them back to Florence and s- but he bought them for six dollars each brought them back and sold them for ten dollars each for people to make planters and #1 {X} cut them in half and make planters out of them # 342: #2 Oh yes, yes # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # people go wild over all of these antiques you know this interviewer: have you ever heard of a lard stand? 342: Yes sir interviewer: What is that? 342: Well it's a great big can interviewer: That's all it is #1 just a big # 342: #2 that's all # it is that is uh uh well it's uh {NS} let me see how many pounds I was trying to think how many pounds it holds #1 About so high and about that big around # interviewer: #2 (NS} # 342: you know interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 {X} # 342: #2 and that's what they call that's # When we used to Get the lard you know you'd have you'd get a stand of lard interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and when you get that {NS} I believe it's fifty pounds is what it #1 holds # interviewer: #2 now that'd be # pretty that'd a be pretty bunch #1 big bunch of lard # 342: #2 Yeah # interviewer: a can that size 342: and uh that was the type of thing that they used to buy I know {NS} and it seemed that it never did get too old #1 you know a lot of # interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: times uh lard will get or grease will get rancid you know but that type of thing if you after your lard is rendered and so forth why interviewer: What about butter when it goes bad, do you say that butter is rancid too? or just spoiled or 342: Well I should think i- it gets rancid too if it- keep it keep it too long {NS} interviewer: What about a thing that you've got a a narrow neck and jar or bottle and you want to pour water in it you might get a what to down in there to pour water in? 342: Funnel interviewer: Okay What about a uh thing that you might use to drive horses with to pop over their back 342: Whip interviewer: okay and uh if you go to the grocery store and buy your groceries there wh- if you're leaving you put them in a what? For you to carry. 342: Paper bag interviewer: Okay And if it's made out of, what is a sack? 342: Well uh a sack can be paper but most of the time I think uh uh a lot of times it's rag I mean uh materials you make it out of some sort of materials you can make a sack out of that or {NS} you know you think of sack dresses now #1 {D: huh lee} # interviewer: #2 yeah right # What about the big uh the heavy real coarse kind of sack potatoes used to come in what did they call that around here 342: Oh that's something I never can think of I was trying to think {NW} {D: Probably could} {C: overlap w/ interviewer} interviewer: #1 gunny sack # 342: #2 gunny # sack Uh interviewer: #1 Some people call it a burlap bag # 342: #2 yeah # Burlap bag interviewer: You know burlap a lot of people buy now put on their walls just like wall #1 paper # 342: #2 that's # what I'm going to make my {NW} drapes #1 out of I'm going to make my den drapes # interviewer: #2 yeah we had one time we had # some curtains that were made out of burlap and they were really 342: #1 They're my daughter # interviewer: #2 fine looking # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: my daughter has uh she has the idea of what I'm going to do with this interviewer: Oh {NW} {NW} 342: I told her I was gonna let her make them {NW} But burlap I never can think of that one particular thing interviewer: {NW} 342: I want to say burlap and I what I was trying to think of but as you say so often they'll say it's a gunny #1 sack you know # interviewer: #2 gunny sack # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # What about a what have you ever heard anyone refer to a turn of corn? Talking about a measure of corn or anything like that? {NW} 342: No, I don't believe I've ever heard it called that interviewer: What about a uh {NW} if the light if you turn on one of your lamps and it doesn't come on you might have to put a new what in it? 342: Bulb interviewer: Mm-kay And you used to gather eggs from those two hundred and something chickens in a what? 342: Basket. {NW} {NW} interviewer: What about a in the old days the women used to wear these big full skirts and they wore what under them to hold them out? metal or plastic or whale bone what? 342: uh well they wore a bunch of petticoats #1 for one thing # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: But you uh talking about the uh uh wait a minute Barbara's got one upstairs right now I know what you're talking about a hoop interviewer: Mm-kay yeah we used to hit uh my mother and grandmother used to sew uh {NW} for that cotton ball #1 thing that they used to have on the Chattanooga and they used to have a # 342: #2 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 big hook # 342: #2 # We had the sesquicentennial here in nineteen-fifty-five and we everybody had to wear hoop skirts and that's the reason Barbara's is up my daughter's or rather I wore it it was one of the uh ladies that was working at the library and she told me she said you just take that thing and keep it I don't want it {NW} so it's hanging up in my attic #1 right now # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # Well, you never can tell it might #1 come in handy some time # 342: #2 Well that's right! # Some of these days you know you might want to make a costume or a #1 dress or something and it # interviewer: #2 right # and if you should ever want it #1 That's the kind of thing that'd # 342: #2 That's it! # interviewer: #1 be impossible to find if # 342: #2 that's right # interviewer: you didn't already have it stored #1 somewhere # 342: #2 you just # can't find them interviewer: What about a little thing like a barrel except nails or something like 342: Keg interviewer: okay And something made out of wood that you might put in the end of a bottle to keep the liquid from coming out 342: {NW} Stopper {NW} {NW} interviewer: What about a thing that a man blows on and plays Harp #1 Okay, what if he # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: flips it this way and played it 342: It's a juice harp interviewer: #1 That'll pinch your lip if you don't # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 {D: watch it} # 342: #2 {NW} # Yes it sure will. {NW} interviewer: What do you use when you're driving a nail in a {NW} board or 342: Hammer. interviewer: {NS} Okay {NW} and the {NS} thing on a wagon that sticks out in the #1 Front # 342: #2 tongue # interviewer: Okay {NW} What about if it's a buggy? {NS} 342: #1 Uh, uh yeah # interviewer: #2 if it's got two of them sticking out sticking out # 342: I had forgotten what you call #1 those things # interviewer: #2 you ever hear them # called shaves or 342: Oh yeah, it's the buggy shaves interviewer: Okay 342: I've ridden behind many a horse in a buggy I used to think that was the grandest #1 thing in the world # interviewer: #2 Oh uh # {NS} yeah {NS} #1 We used # 342: #2 to get # interviewer: to have an old uh {NW} not really a buggy but a nice wagon 342: #1 Mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 that I used to love # to drive 342: Well we of course as I said when I was growing up and we had to go go to the country we used to as I told you awhile ago we used to ride horses every night interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: Uh, there were uh there were six couples of us that all would get together there was some neighbors that had horses and one of the boys had a brother who had a big black horse that I rode all the time and we would ride into Murfreesboro and around the race track and the fairground #1 there and # interviewer: #2 oh yeah # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: uh {NW} just had children really don't know how to really enjoy themselves now interviewer: #1 They've gotta be entertained all the time # 342: #2 Oh, yes # #1 We didn't # interviewer: #2 You know that's # still a big thing up there though course that big #1 walking horse business thing, yeah yeah # 342: #2 Mm-hmm in {D: Chevrille} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: Well it was really I think it really started out more or less in #1 Murfreesboro, apparently {D: there was a} # 342: #2 yeah # interviewer: #1 first one to have a formal horse show # 342: #2 That's right mm-hmm # interviewer: There we go What about a before you'll see people in the spring time before they can plant they have to get out and do what 342: #1 plow # interviewer: #2 to the land # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # Do what? 342: Plow interviewer: Okay and after that to break up the clods and everything they run a what over it? 342: Mm interviewer: Some people call it a 342: cultivator interviewer: All right or a harrow or 342: #1 Well, a harrower # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 too they # interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: have to {NS} interviewer: And uh 342: but they have a cultivator that breaks up a lot of it too interviewer: yeah 342: course they used to say harrow. I mean they used to harrow it all time cause they had that thing that pulled along #1 behind it # interviewer: #2 Yeah # what about a s- they got a stump or something out in the field they'd have to hi- they say yesterday we hitched a chain to that stump and what it out of the field? {NW} Mm #1 Is a # 342: #2 {NS} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 Drag it out # 342: #2 e- # interviewer: #1 Drag it out # 342: #2 well # interviewer: #1 Pull it out # 342: #2 {D: it'd be} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Drug it out I guess I don- {NW} interviewer: What about a thing when and then you had a wood burning stove. Out in the back they'd have a rack that was shaped like two X's and they'd put a log in here and saw it. What did they call it? 342: #1 Hmm # interviewer: #2 They call it # Some people call them saw horse or #1 saw rack or saw {D: buck} # 342: #2 Well uh # it's a saw horse most of the time I think that they I've always heard it called interviewer: Okay 342: If they put them there and get out there and have to {NS} interviewer: Yeah 342: #1 Saw across # interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: {D: sitting} interviewer: What about a thing that men used to have to sharpen their razors on leather 342: Mm leather strop interviewer: Mm-kay 342: Or strap {NW} interviewer: I've th- I've always heard it called a strop #1 I don't know whether it's spelled with an O or an A or how it would # 342: #2 I have too # interviewer: #1 be spelled # 342: #2 I I- # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Mm- don't know really I've never paid too much attention to it but I know my daddy had one and he always said he was had to strop his razor. interviewer: Yeah #1 What about a # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: and you- yo- you {NW} uh n- work on your hair with a comb and a what? 342: Brush interviewer: Okay. {NS} What about a couple of kids will take say a saw horse and they put a plank over it and go up 342: Seesaw interviewer: Right you'd say they're out there doing what? 342: Seesawing interviewer: Okay 342: {NW} interviewer: What about a uh a you ever hear of a flying Jenny? 342: Yeah interviewer: What is that? 342: It's a thing very similar to a merry go round #1 Th- # interviewer: #2 or is it just a plank? # 342: {NS} interviewer: #1 That went around? # 342: #2 It's a # Yeah uh well I think in the olden days they'd kind of fasten one down and it'd go around and around and around b- course you know you speak y- you {NW} hear a good many old people {NS} uh older than I am may I say {NS} that uh they speak of merry go rounds you know as a #1 flying Jenny # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 342: {NS} But uh I think mostly it was originated by just putting a plank on something and interviewer: Mm 342: turning it around and around and around fastening it down where it would could go around interviewer: Mm-hmm I think that's probably what it was 342: and they'd ride it but uh {NS} interviewer: What about something you had uh when you had a stove that burned coal or something a metal container that you had to hold the coal in next to the stove. 342: Scuttle interviewer: Okay, is that what you carried the coal in with #1 too? # 342: #2 Mm # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: and a thing and moving rocks around in your field or something you'd uh you might have one of these its got one wheel on the front and then two handles 342: Wheelbarrow. interviewer: Okay and something a small thing you sharpen a knife on? 342: Uh an emery well you could uh you mean one of those #1 little rocks? # interviewer: #2 right # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # Some people call them #1 whet rocks # 342: #2 Whet rocks # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # #1 Mm # interviewer: #2 What about a # big one that's got a handle on it you might #1 keep it in the barn # 342: #2 Grind stone # stone interviewer: okay {NS} You're right on these #1 {NW} # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: uh 342: {NW} interviewer: #1 If you h- # 342: #2 I tell you I # been in the country interviewer: #1 right right # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: What about if uh if a wheel on a wagon or something is squeaking you might have to put some what on it 342: Oil interviewer: Mm-kay or if it's a down in the {D: herve} you might get a big can of what? 342: Grease interviewer: Yeah and do what to it? {NS} could you say you're gonna what the wheel {NS} 342: Uh #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 would you just # say you're going to grease 342: Grease it interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 it'd be # what I would say interviewer: Mm-kay 342: to get it #1 wet with a streak # interviewer: #2 and you get your hands all # #1 what? # 342: #2 yeah # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Greasy interviewer: Right uh tooth paste comes in a what? 342: Tube interviewer: I used to say what is inside a car tire but you know they don't make car tires with inner tubes in them anymore 342: No they #1 don't # interviewer: #2 {X} # I just use the tooth paste #1 {X} # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 Ah # 342: #2 inner # tube {NW} #1 Oh me # interviewer: #2 The uh # {NW} they don't {NW} I didn't realize that until one summer I tried to buy an inner tube for my kids #1 to use swimming # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 and those are hard to # 342: #2 {NS} # interviewer: #1 find now you used to could go to a filling # 342: #2 you just can't # interviewer: station and for a quarter you could #1 buy an old inner tube # 342: #2 find all # sorts that had been patched up #1 maybe they didn't have but one # interviewer: #2 Right # 342: patch on them patch them and take interviewer: and now unless you buy a new one 342: #1 that's right # interviewer: #2 down at Sears or # something you don't get one #1 filling stations don't even {D: bother handling} # 342: #2 You sure don't # interviewer: {NS} uh do you ever hear or have you ever heard the people around here use the term right smart to mean a lot he owns right #1 smart {D: a land} # 342: #2 yeah right # smart of land interviewer: okay 342: Yes I've heard it many times {NS} interviewer: uh if somebody wants you to try some soap powder or something like that they're liable to give you a free 342: Sample interviewer: Okay {NS} and uh something that you wear when you're cooking to keep the food 342: Apron interviewer: yeah {NS} uh {NS} if somebody has a very nice dress on you might say well that sure is a what kind of dress? 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 Would you # 342: Well pretty interviewer: okay 342: Or attractive {NS} I'd say pretty interviewer: Okay. Do you make any difference between something that you write with and something that you pin your clothes together with do you call them both a pen or do you call one of them a pen and the other one a pin {NS} 342: #1 Well I # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: think I call them both a pen interviewer: Well I do too {NS} 342: #1 To say {NW} # interviewer: #2 I have an argument with # some of my speech teacher friends over at the college say you're not supposed to but I say 342: Well where in the world I mean if it's they're both well of course a pen if you say it distinctly uh pin of course you would say it #1 P I N # interviewer: #2 but people in that part of the # #1 country don't make that {D: difference} # 342: #2 You just don't do # that you don't uh speak that uh {NS} correctly {D: I was} suppose that's what you'd call it but that distinctly I should say interviewer: Well 342: #1 uh i- by saying a pen # interviewer: #2 yeah som- maybe in some part # 342: or a pin interviewer: right 342: you know to come out n- and say it in that #1 manner # interviewer: #2 yeah I- I've # I've I've never heard it around here If a man buys a 342: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 three # piece suit the pieces would be what? 342: Uh well I would say the pants and the coat and the #1 vest # interviewer: #2 okay # uh and you might talking about a dress or a something might say a coat I tried that on yesterday and it {NS} just what? 342: Fit interviewer: Mm-kay {NS} Uh if a man wears out his old suit he might go down and buy a 342: New one interviewer: Mm-kay, a new suit? 342: A new suit interviewer: kay if you put If I put rocks or hickory nuts or something in my pockets it'd cause them to what? 342: Bulge interviewer: Right {NS} and if now this is what they don't do any more either but in the days before everything was {X} if you washed a shirt it might what? 342: Shrink interviewer: right 342: {NW} {NS} interviewer: uh 342: Well it'll do it sometimes now if you put them in #1 dryers # interviewer: #2 I was # Just getting ready to say I- maybe I spoke too soon because I put on a shirt the other day that hadn't ever worn but once and the sleeves came up to about here on me when I #1 put it on and an- # 342: #2 I know # interviewer: my wife had apparently #1 thrown it in the dryer with the wrong batch of suds or # 342: #2 Ye- yeah # interviewer: something 342: and gotten it #1 too hot # interviewer: #2 too hot # 342: and you do that and this this stuff that we have now this polyester and knit and all that sort of stuff and if you dare put it in a a dryer I don't have one but my daughter does and I know uh the ladies that I work with up there there's one of them particularly who uh she has made nothing but double knits and two of her dresses {NS} I was {NS} amused at her uh she uh rooms with this elderly lady so Elizabeth had been sick {NS} and she had been to Florida, her home's in Florida and she had been to Florida but she had left these dresses and this uh {NS} land lady of hers had uh thought she was helping her out and she washed those things and slammed them in the #1 dryer # interviewer: #2 Dryer # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: {NW} interviewer: Oh no Well I noticed uh now you see on all of the the commercial laundries #1 {D: and everything there} # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # interviewer: u- uh washateria #1 thing it has # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # interviewer: a note on the dryer not #1 put double knit things in there # 342: #2 well that's right # interviewer: {NS} What about the thing that you carry your money in? {NS} 342: Billfold or purse #1 Is that what you # interviewer: #2 Okay # 342: want? interviewer: okay and besides a r- a watch, you might wear a what on you arm 342: bracelet interviewer: Mm-kay and a thing a man might wear to hold his pants up if he doesn't wear a belt 342: suspenders interviewer: Mm-kay uh {NS} uh you wear it ar- you've got uh beads around your neck you'd say that's a what of beads? 342: Necklace interviewer: #1 Okay, you ever heard # 342: #2 or a # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: String of beads or anything? 342: String of beads according to what {NW} what kind it is interviewer: yeah {NW} But there's an old song string of pearls I #1 believe that Tommy # 342: #2 Yeah # interviewer: Dorsey or #1 {D: somebody like} Glen Miller # 342: #2 Yeah # interviewer: Somebody used to play 342: I think Tommy Dorsey played that and interviewer: What about something if it's raining you might #1 put one up over your head? # 342: #2 umbrella # interviewer: Mm-kay Now uh something after you make up the bed you put a what on top of the bed sp- uh over it 342: Bed spread what you want me to say, counterpane? #1 Oh yes # interviewer: #2 well have you ever heard {D: calipan or calipane) # that? 342: I had one my mother {NS} had a beautiful white one of these you know that were the raised looked liked embroidery on it you know {NS} and on our guest bed and I had a little dog when I was growing up {NS} and uh she didn't course she stayed in the house all the time but uh she loved to ride in the car and I'll never forget one morning mother took me to school and it'd been pouring down pitch forks just pouring you know? {NS} and she came back and she wouldn't let Trixie go and she had j- we had just let Trixie in the house after she had been out {NS} and he was white so when she ca- when she went back in of course Trixie had been right up in the middle of the bed the minute she heard mother mother down she went with this red clay you know #1 where she had # interviewer: #2 aw # 342: been out in a part of the yard interviewer: Well that won't {C: 342 overlap {NW}} come out either 342: No she had to work she went ahead and washed it right straight of course and and it had not gotten enough on it but {NS} her little old tracks were all over that interviewer: Yeah 342: course and you know what she got interviewer: Yeah I can imagine {NS} 342: #1 I don't blame her # interviewer: #2 {X} # on the old beds they used to have a pillow that went all the way one pillow that went all the way across 342: Bolster interviewer: Right and uh 342: I imagine that a lot of these questions if you asked younger folks that {NW} interviewer: #1 No they # 342: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NS} {NS} interviewer: When up in the {D: mar in locks} out there in Hixson when I was home not long ago and was looking through some old #1 stuff of my grandmothers that we had not even looked at # 342: #2 yes # interviewer: looked at we just threw up in the loft there and she found a bunch of quilt {D: pocks} that had already been pieced and 342: oh interviewer: all that she needed to do was go out and find some #1 batting # 342: #2 somebody # to and some batting an- and the lining {C: overlap w/ int.} {D: for them and have them} #1 quilted # interviewer: #2 she made us those # and gave them to us for Christmas and I can't get my wife to use them you know she'll say oh I'm freezing to death and I'll say well let's ge- the get quilts and {D: no} she'll say no the quilt's not warm so we get into this whole thing all over again yeah a quilt's as warm as #1 as anything no # 342: #2 Well, I- I # disagree about blankets I- I like blankets and their soft but and light but um uh so many people course are li- they have the same idea interviewer: mm-hmm 342: but I- I was brought up with #1 quilts and # interviewer: #2 well I like # #1 to feel a weight on me # 342: #2 an- you- a- # the weight and and then it I don't know you can just sort of snuggle down and #1 and twist # interviewer: #2 that's right # 342: a little bit and it gets right next to you you know and it keeps you good and warm you had to sleep under five or six of them interviewer: right What about a when you had a lot of company and no place to not enough beds you 342: Pallet interviewer: right {NW} 342: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 press down on the floor there # 342: I do that in my living room for all my grandchildren a lot of times {C: laughter} interviewer: Well they love it too 342: Oh they do love it they just {NS} {NS} interviewer: I guess uh {NS} we all, y'all weren't cut off during the flood from the other we were you know we were cut off completely in Florence we couldn't get out of Florence #1 every road into and # 342: #2 well we # The funny thing my husband was supposed to go to Little Rock #1 Arkansas they ha- # interviewer: #2 is he still with the # fire department 342: Uh no he retired three years ag- {D: well be} three years in July {NS} but uh uh they were to go to Little Rock, Arkansas to make their invitation for the state tournament or the south eastern tour- bowling tournament here he's a life member of the #1 bowling association here # interviewer: #2 He's really into bowling in a # #1 big way isn't he # 342: #2 oh he # bowls lord help us {NS} I tell him that when I- I always told him all our married life and I- I tell him that uh {NS} when I get ready to die if he's bowling he'll say wait till I get back and then you {NW} course that makes him mad you know? {NS} Uh but uh he loves his #1 bowling, so # interviewer: #2 Well he couldn't get out to go to # #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 Arkansas? # 342: #2 well the # funny thing that morning uh of course {NS} uh we heard it raining but you know you when you're sleep halfway and uh you just didn't realize you know it had rained that #1 much # interviewer: #2 right # 342: And of course when I got up {NS} uh I looked out the back and it's low back down in a little part of our lot back here and uh there's a big field back there there and once before the water had gotten up and gotten almost up to our storage house back here interviewer: Hmm {NS} 342: one time {NS} and uh but after that uh the side of our lot out here I mean it's the alley ways supposedly and they put then three of these huge pipes in across the alley way you know to carry this water and that's the first time that it has been up but it got up into our little storage house down on the lower end of the lot {NS} that morning and when I got up and looked got up and looked out of course saw all that you know and then we of course I got him up because we were he was going to get ready to leave they were to leave at eight oh clock interviewer: yeah, yeah {NS} 342: You couldn't get anywhere {NS} finally his brother was going and uh the funny thing there was uh one of the bowlers that was supposed bowl on their team {NS} uh this was on a Friday morning you know interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and on Wednesday night {NS} this man had bowled {NS} and then he came down with a kidney stone and they had had to put him in the hospital and he had not passed it so it went on and uh they didn't think that Charlie was going to get to go {NS} and he was about to die interviewer: yeah 342: on that account #1 you know # interviewer: #2 yeah right # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 # 342: so uh anyway Claude had already gone and called and called to get somebody else you know to take Charlie's place with their team interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and he had gotten this {NS} guy to say that he would take it I mean would go but he wasn't going to leave until the morning that they were going to bowl Saturday Saturday morning and drive on into Little Rock. Well uh Charlie this man that I was speaking of their uh team here uh worked {NS} to issue the invitation that night they were to be in Little Rock that night at seven oh clock to some sort of a banquet or something well uh {NS} during the morning anyway after they found out and one of the men lived way over on the other side of town where you couldn't get out cross or anyway you know around and about {NW} so finally uh Claude says well I'll leave and go get Howard and see if I can if I can get over there to him he called they'd been {D: forwarding} backwards and forwards {NS} so he goes by and gets his brother could get #1 that way over in east part of Huntsville # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 # 342: he went by and got them and uh then they had to go way over in in northwest Huntsville a part the way of Northwest but it was {NS} off of seventy two over there {NS} and he finally had to go all the way around the world and he got over to Howard's {NS} well, before he got to Howard's this man's wife had called {NS} and the man had passed the stone and he was going with them if he could catch them if not he was going to {NW} interviewer: My gosh, now he's really a dedicated bowler 342: Well she'd called and she says Miss Heron and I said what? Is chief gone yet? I said uh well yes I said they been gone about long enough to get over to Howard Campbell's I'll call him see if I can get ahold of him {NS} well would you please tell him to call me Well, I called over there and uh {NS} so I ask Howard, I said Howard {D: answered the} phone. Well, I knew of course they hadn't gone you know interviewer: Yeah 342: and I said uh Howard, has Claude gotten there? and he says, well wait mrs Heron I think chief's driving up in front right now well Claude came in and I told him what Charlie's wife had said. {NW} So he calls her and here she is way back over here on the other side of Huntsville and can't get to the hospital over here {NS} to get Charlie out of the #1 hospital # interviewer: #2 Well # I'll be that the town is really 342: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 that's a # I saw the {NW} television of the mall which mall is it the governor's drive uh #1 right where the governor's drive # 342: #2 uh # interviewer: comes into memorial park right where everything was underwater? I know 342: No, it was right across from Dunnavant's I think what, the worst part that you saw was right down here {NS} uh it's where uh {NS} uh Dunnavant's mall as you come down interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 342: #2 {NS} # and you turn on to governor's drive #1 there # interviewer: #2 yeah # right 342: it's- it was Dunnavant's mall it didn't get up into the store uh into Dunnavant's there interviewer: #1 but all the {D: ice} # 342: #2 it did # interviewer: #1 {X} # 342: #2 get into # interviewer: #1 some of the asphalt some of # 342: #2 some of the parts there # interviewer: pretty deep there 342: but uh in the uh the these little stores that are down {D: a long} interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 342: #2 they had just # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # put in this little new women's shop there interviewer: yeah 342: and they had finished it up and honestly it just it was #1 all # interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: glass and it just {NS} #1 took everything # interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 and Claude said when # interviewer: #2 {D: I saw that} # 342: #1 they got back # interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: where they- they drove over here I never did get out anywhere I just stayed right at home {NS} I said they told Carl and told me not to try to come to the library because down in front of the fire department there were some of the cars down there #1 underwater # interviewer: #2 underwater # #1 completely, I saw that on the television, yeah # 342: #2 yeah # {NW} Well, anyway well to make a long story short they finally got Charlie out of the out of the hospital about eleven oh clock and they left at twelve interviewer: #1 and they went h- # 342: #2 and some of # the other bowlers had already said that they were going and they got t- they could go to Nashville interviewer: #1 Yeah # 342: #2 and go across # from Nashville to Little Rock interviewer: {NW} #1 Now that's some really dedicated bowlers # 342: #2 {NW} # Well, believe you me they'll go far and near to {NW} {NS} interviewer: What are some of the creeks around here names of some of the creeks 342: Pinhook Creek interviewer: Pinhook? 342: Mm-hmm and uh Indian Creek interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: Pinhook creek is this uh creek that you see uh that you cross coming in interviewer: Oh, yeah right 342: Right there at Dunnavant's mall {NS} you know that was the worst part I mean one of the worst places {NW} {NS} interviewer: Well what about uh a not a something bigger than a hill y- have you ever heard of a geographical thing called a knob? 342: Yes interviewer: What is a knob? {NS} 342: Well uh it's it's larger the one thing I can say is that it's I mean if you just go up a little hill interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: You know {NS} that's a hill but if you get into a good size place it's called a knob interviewer: Okay what a- m- m- even bigger than that something really big would be a what? {NS} 342: Mountain interviewer: Mm-kay uh what about a big rock face on a mountain that's maybe a couple of hundred feet high is a what? straight down 342: precipice interviewer: Okay, you ever hear it called a cliff or a 342: yeah interviewer: and if it's got water coming over it there'll be a big 342: waterfall interviewer: Mm-kay uh what are some of the different types of road surfaces? {NS} 342: Asphalt and concrete and Hmm {NS} gravel interviewer: okay, what about the black sticky stuff? 342: Mm tar interviewer: Mm-kay and then a country road might just be plain 342: Gravel interviewer: okay {NS} #1 uh # 342: #2 or # dirt interviewer: okay 342: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 do you remember when they used to come around and # spray oil on the roads {D: in} you could hire a man to come around and 342: #1 Hmm # interviewer: #2 put oil on the road in front of the house to hold the dust down I remember that now # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: Yeah and I've ridden over many a dirt road too behind the old buggy and and the old horse {NS} cloppity clop clop clop #1 and we used to # interviewer: #2 {D: raising tide?} # 342: walk you know all the time, everywhere we'd go and I said honestly uh uh- uh- {D: is} {NS} there's speaking of being in the country used to it would thrill me to death that we just walk miles you know take off and go from here to yonder and and uh uh- just walking interviewer: yeah 342: #1 you know take out # interviewer: #2 just the front of it # 342: around there in the lanes and we used to have to go we we had an old Ford car {NS} and we went up and one of my aunts lived down in the end of nowhere {NS} and uh {NW} you went uh {NW} to Rover Tennessee Do you know where #1 that is? # interviewer: #2 No, I don't believe I do. # 342: We- you- it's about sixteen miles from Shelbyville interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: {NW} #1 But it's sort of # interviewer: #2 Rover Tennessee? # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: Yeah it's it's um going on toward Eagleville interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: You know you've heard of #1 Eagleville I'm sure # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm, yeah I know # where Eagleville is 342: Well you go on uh on the highway on the the I think well I believe they've paved it now since Aunt Mary passed away {NS} but anyway you get on this little uh place there at Rover {NS} what we call Rover there's a country store you know and a and you'd leave the {NW} main road there and honestly great big old boulders in the middle of th- and rocks you know and interviewer: yeah 342: you'd go over this way and of course you know your axles #1 and things were way up # interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: high on these little wheels you know about so big {NW} that {NW} that two miles were the worst {D: than} interviewer: yeah 342: going all the way up #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 {NS} # what about uh if you're walking along and a dog runned uh would run out at you and walking along a country road and a dog ran out barked at you you might pick up a what? and throw at it 342: Stick? interviewer: okay or a 342: a rock interviewer: Mm-kay and if you knock at somebody's door and nobody answers you say well I don't guess they're 342: home {NS} interviewer: Okay {NS} #1 uh # 342: #2 or # here {NS} interviewer: Mm-kay {NS} uh If somebody is not going away from you they'd be coming 342: toward you interviewer: Mm-kay {NS} you might come home and if you've run if you see somebody you haven't seen for a long time you might come home and tell your husband well guess who I ran 342: into interviewer: Okay and if a child has the same name as his father you say that the child is named 342: after his father interviewer: what do you say to a dog to make him attack another dog {NS} 342: #1 hmm # interviewer: #2 you might say # sic him 342: sic him interviewer: okay 342: {NW} interviewer: {D: What about a small noisy dog maybe yaps a lot ever hear anyone call them a thing like a feis or a feist?} 342: yeah, feist interviewer: Mm-kay uh you ever hear anybody use the term dog bit? {NW} that he was dog bit instead of bitten by a dog 342: Yes I've heard it interviewer: That used to happen to postmen a lot I don't think it does anymore 342: Well my, this youngest son of mine uh carried the mail here for uh two summers {NW} and down here in uh well not too far from here in one of the uh housing projects and the one of these uh black men over there had They don't want to be called negroes you know now interviewer: right they have to called #1 Black # 342: #2 and not colored # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # but anyway this colored man that we called him of course and he had this great big bulldog and he came out at Joe Donald one day and Joe Donald told him he says I wanna tell you right now either you put that dog up on a chain or he's gonna be a dead dog interviewer: right 342: he said I'm gonna tell you I'm not putting up with it we don't have to to so he uh he fastened his dog up but interviewer: they're scary those #1 those bu- bulldogs # 342: #2 oh # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # well I had a narrow escape one time uh in nineteen forty I took census and I went started oh about uh it's about four five six miles down the highway now down the parkway then it was uh {D: whites call Whitesburg} and uh {NW} {D: the Flemings} down there at that time they owned well they owned practically all the land on both sides {NS} and what's all built up now and they had this huge big red barn back over on one side from their home and all these little red cabins where the darkies lived #1 you know that worked their # interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm # 342: farm {NS} and it was back they were back a good little piece and kind of uphill off of the highway and I parked my car and started up the pathway going up to the first one {NS} and they had a wire fence around the this one well the little houses were just one room places and uh this it was you know you just look in the door and it was dark #1 you know # interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: sort of inside {NS} {NS} well it was of course in the early spring and the grass big high grass you know that had fallen over and was brown and all {NS} and it so happened that uh {NS} I saw this {D: negro} woman in the house and I was just {NS} sort of humming and singing to let her know that I was coming up that way you know and the little children were down playing in a little path down below there {NW} so uh {NS} on uh this side of the f- uh gate they had a uh wooden slat gate you know type thing with a hook barrel hook you know just #1 down over it # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 {NS} # interviewer: #2 # 342: so on this side of the thing was this huge big hole and uh on the other side course it was fenced {NS} and this {NS} grass laying down there and I didn't pay attention I just walked on up you know to the gate and she was insi- in the house and u- just as I raised u- started to raise that hook up off that gate this huge bulldog made a leap for me and if it if that hole had been on this side of the s- {D: their} thing he would've hit me and probably knocked me down no telling what interviewer: my goodness 342: {NW} because he was {NS} you know what we call a brittle #1 bulldog # interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: #1 you know? # interviewer: #2 that's right # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 342: and very much the color of that grass interviewer: he had been right there and you didn't see him 342: and he was asleep interviewer: {NW} 342: a- he- he- {NW} he was one of these huge tall dogs you know? great big old bulldog {NS} and I stood there and she yelled at him but she had to go out and get a piece of stove wood to make him get back and leave me alone {NS} but the funny thing after I got through with her census after I went in and and got their record and I had to go down a path {NS} my car was way on down you know on the highway parked off of it and I had to go down this path and he was laying at the side of the path down there with the children {NS} and she told me she said duh I've never been afraid of dogs interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: but I tell you that really shook me up #1 when he # interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: jumped at me because as I said if that hole had been there he would have just leaped right at me before I even knew what had me interviewer: Mm-hmm and he was so big that he 342: #1 would've knocked me down # interviewer: #2 that's right # down right 342: well I she said uh Miss Heron I don't think he'll hurt you said uh uh if you show him and says he sees that you hadn't hurt me or done anything and said I don't think he'll bother you at all if you {NS} don't {NS} pay any attention to the children interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} 342: Well I took m- set my foot in the path and started on down I thought well I'll try it and so he was as close to me as that book is right there and I just went on down the path and he just laid there with his interviewer: Boy that took a lot of courage 342: Head on his paws you know I mean he just he just laid there and interviewer: #1 yeah # 342: #2 looked # at me well when he saw that I wasn't gonna #1 hurt any of them # interviewer: #2 yeah # right he was just 342: #1 he # interviewer: #2 defending # 342: #1 he was just # interviewer: #2 his house # 342: defending the house {NS} but boy you talk about it was a narrow escape it really shook me up there for a while {NS} and from there on believe you me I let people know I was #1 coming # interviewer: #2 right # 342: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 right # Did you ever have any mules at any of these places th- where you #1 lived or worked or # 342: #2 oh yes # mules and horses and cows and {NS} interviewer: What about a- uh baby cow's called a what 342: calf interviewer: Mm-kay have you ever heard anybody talking about when a cow's going to have a calf they say that the cow is going to 342: Calve interviewer: Okay what about a ma- female horse is called a what? 342: mare interviewer: Mm-kay, any special term for a male? 342: #1 Hmm # interviewer: #2 was it called a # stallion? 342: stallion w- what I think we've always heard them #1 called most # interviewer: #2 Mm-kay # 342: #1 of the time # interviewer: #2 the # Thing that you nail on the bottom of a horse's foot 342: Is a horse shoe interviewer: Kay and a horse's foot is called what? 342: hoof interviewer: Kay, and all four of them are all four of his what? 342: Legs? interviewer: Okay but the- you say one hoof, four what? Would you say hoofs or hooves? 342: Hooves interviewer: Okay what about a male sheep? What's he called? {NW} 342: Mm interviewer: Ever had much experience with a sheep? 342: No I haven't I know they're the- female is called a ewe and the interviewer: #1 you get what # 342: #2 male- # is a ra- uh no interviewer: Ram? 342: #1 ram is that right? # interviewer: #2 lot of people call it that # 342: #1 # interviewer: #2 # what do the- g- they get when they cut sheep #1 They shear shee- okay # 342: #2 wool # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: What about a male hog? You ever hear him called anything? 342: Boar interviewer: Yeah and he has big what? big long 342: tusk interviewer: Yeah 342: that's another thing I had experience with this old gentleman that uh he had a little cabin uh house it was a not a little more than a cabin it was a regular little house when he had his big farm home here and he had to go through this uh well I called it a pig pen to get across to this little house and he asked me if I'd been over there and I said no and he said well Miss Heron I'll go with you cause I don't want that boar out there to bother you so we went across in our very uh cautiously took my way across that pig pen and we got over there and I got the it was a little couple with a baby interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and that girl walked across that thing all the time with that baby you know and he was used to her I reckon but that didn't make too much difference little bit later on this old gentleman was so nice to me about cause I asked uh you know if there were people back behind him or people that I couldn't find #1 you know or # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 342: couldn't even see the houses and what have you and he carried me way back over in there where the houses were you know he told me I wouldn't I wo- couldn't find my way but he could and he graciously carried me back there and I got the censuses of course of these people lots of people that I ran into didn't even know what a census taker was they'd never hear of them interviewer: I can imagine 342: and I had many funny experiences interviewer: #1 I- I was just gonna say man taking the census must really have been something # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # I tell you I had some of the funniest experiences that I ever had #1 in my l- l- # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: life I had a laugh and course I'm the type of person that I just get a big kick #1 out of {X} # interviewer: #2 well that kind of thing # thing is really enjoyable if you're the right kind of person you know that can #1 see the use of some of it # 342: #2 I thoroughly enjoyed it # and uh but anyway what I was gonna tell you it wasn't but a few weeks after uh well I said a few weeks I guess it was about six months after that but this same boar he started out through that lot and he attacked him interviewer: #1 Aw, the old man? # 342: #2 and he # died from it interviewer: #1 {NW} # 342: #2 # interviewer: #1 goodness gracious well now I've heard that they course I'd always heard it was the like the sows that were the worst to get after you # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Well this was a boar an- and uh he he really went after him got him down and just really interviewer: Yeah well they can really 342: fixed him up interviewer: yeah what do you h- what terms have you heard for the sound that a calf makes when it's lonesome or calling for it's mama? Do people call that a bawl or a blade or a bleat or what? 342: Well I would say bawling interviewer: Okay, what about the sound a cow makes at feeding time? You ever hear that called a moo? 342: #1 Moo # interviewer: #2 or a {X} # Moo okay What about the sound that a horse makes? People might call that a whinny or a wh- 342: whinny interviewer: Okay uh what about an old hen that's trying to hatch eggs? What do you call her? 342: Uh well when she sh- ruffles out her feathers and let me see been a long time since I raised chickens interviewer: {NW} we used to call them broody hens some people called them setting hens 342: Setting hens interviewer: Okay 342: was what we usually interviewer: When you had a mother hen with little chickens they used to have kind of a thing that like this that had slats in it you'd put her in there to 342: chicken coop interviewer: right and what about the part of the chicken when you kill it and fry it and then two people pull on it and make a wish? 342: Pulley bone interviewer: Mm-kay uh you ever heard of the term {D: haslets} {D: haslets} or chitlings for the 342: chitlings interviewer: okay and uh you ever hear anyone call cows in from the pasture? 342: yes interviewer: What do they say? 342: Uh well let me see what was it uncle Robert used- I've heard him call them interviewer: #1 they call him sook cows? # 342: #2 soo- # interviewer: sook 342: uh sook sook sook they'd yell that {NW} interviewer: uh any certain any difference for the kind of call they had for calves or would they just 342: I never heard of the calves usually came with the mamas if they were there interviewer: you were talking about riding horses what when a horse is standing still what do you say to make him start 342: get up {NS} interviewer: Mm-kay and uh what about to uh 342: Whoa interviewer: yeah right #1 to stop him # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # interviewer: Uh do you know how what to make him turn left or right? 342: Mm well all I know is you can well you can say gee and haw interviewer: right #1 okay # 342: #2 {NW} # interviewer: What about people Interviewer: you couldn't eat the outside rim of the bacon 342: because it was it'd be hard #1 it'd be # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: #1 salty # Interviewer: #2 what # they call that the bacon 342: rind Interviewer: rind, rind #1 yeah, yeah, that was # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: n- n- the salt {D: ain't} just like a rock or something it'd be so hard 342: oh it would be hard and it uh but there's nothing better than than this streaked lean meat Interviewer: #1 oh yeah # 342: #2 if you # get that with a skin that where the salt course you have to wash it but you if you slice it {NS} {NS} and get several {NS} pieces of {NS} where the lean goes through it and slice it uh course back when I was a little girl growing up we didn't have much bacon then you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: Mother would get that and it would be slice she'd slice it real thin and uh you'd slice it and come down to this heavy piece of skin and she'd slice it under that and always save the skin part then to cook in the green #1 beans # Interviewer: #2 yeah # right what about the uh did you make your own sausage? Or did uh have you ever seen #1 sausage made # 342: #2 oh # yes {NS} I've seen it made quite a bit {NS} I that's one thing that I've never done though is been around hogs at hog killing #1 time # Interviewer: #2 oh okay # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh if meat begins to go bad you say that meat smells like it's 342: spoiled Interviewer: mm-kay a man who cuts meat an- and things in a #1 store # 342: #2 butcher # Interviewer: mm-kay {NS} #1 uh did they ever say it turned it ever turned souse meat or head cheese # 342: #2 yes # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: and they 342: souse meat Interviewer: okay, that's where they boil #1 {X} # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: uh 342: and I love it #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 it's good stuff # 342: {NW} Interviewer: #1 have you ever heard of anybody putting pl- making just regular souse and then putting a little bit of corn meal in with it and letting it sit up that way, is that still called souse? Or is that called # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 something # 342: #2 as far as # I know it is {NS} Interviewer: what about uh milk when it begins to go bad and gets kind of lumpy 342: clabbers Interviewer: mm-kay what about a diet food that's made out of that uh wh- 342: cottage cheese Interviewer: Okay 342: {NW} Interviewer: Did uh, you talk about separating the milk, did you ever see anyone churn the milk or? 342: Oh gosh Interviewer: They had to pour it through a cheese cloth to do what to it before they'd churn it 342: Strain it Interviewer: Okay 342: #1 But I # Interviewer: #2 did # 342: #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 churn many a # 342: day Interviewer: have you ever, with one of the old {D: dashers} 342: #1 yes # Interviewer: #2 churns? # 342: sir Interviewer: you know up north a lot of people have never seen those, they have the a churn that looks like a barrel 342: #1 and turns this way # Interviewer: #2 with a crank # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # #1 And I didn't know what in the world, I had some friends from uh Minnesota # 342: #2 my- {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: and they brought one of those and they were so proud of it, it was an antique and I didn't even know what it was 342: {NW} Interviewer: They said it was a #1 was a churn # 342: #2 my aunt # #1 had one of those she got # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 one # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 uncle Jo-, well uh # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: uncle Joe uh his sister uh husband got it for her Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and it was a new fandangled thing of course you know as the old saying is and Interviewer: yeah 342: uh oh man he was so they were so proud of that thing and but uh {NS} I've churned many a days sit there churning churning #1 churning and read and # Interviewer: #2 I can remember # #1 cleaning my hands # 342: #2 and # Interviewer: #1 dirty as # 342: #2 watch # the thing you know and watch the butter come and then you'd have to stir up the butter and get it all and then you have to work that water out of that the milk #1 and then # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # #1 then what do you put in the butter mold # 342: #2 water at # Kids don't know how {NW} Interviewer: #1 What about the kind of pie that's made where you get uh fruit # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: boiling and then drop dumpling kind of stuff down into it 342: Kind of pie? Interviewer: Yeah, it's it's uh, you ever hear it called a 342: Cobbler pie Interviewer: Okay, uh 342: whenever you do that but I I mean {X} top and a bottom to it and boil the fruit #1 I mean {Int overlap} # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: bake it with juice in it where it comes out and Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: Nothing better Interviewer: boy that's right 342: {NW} Interviewer: What about a sweet liquid that you might serve with pudding that you might put on it 342: Sauce Interviewer: Okay uh and in the morning you have a cup of what to get the day started 342: coffee Interviewer: if you were getting ready fix or to make coffee would you say I'm going to make some coffee or fix coffee or how would you say cook it boil it what? 342: I'm going to make coffee Interviewer: okay 342: I would Interviewer: and if somebody were thirsty he might ask for a what 342: a drink Interviewer: uh, of what? 342: a water Interviewer: okay, and if it was not in a cup it might be in a you didn't give 342: glass Interviewer: okay uh {NS} let's see, the uh something you might say to a guest at your table what would you 342: help yourself Interviewer: kay. and uh if somebody passes you some food 342: have some Interviewer: #1 okay if somebody passes you some food and you don't want any you'd say # 342: #2 {NW} # No thank you Interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: W- what 342: #1 I don't # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: care for any Interviewer: right, what about food that's uh been cooked earlier in the day and not eaten up in a meal and you maybe uh heat it up again and use it for another meal 342: warm it over Interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: and you might say that meat was so tough I could hardly 342: chew it Interviewer: okay what is mush? 342: well it's uh meal and water or milk Interviewer: milk okay 342: cooked together or put together Interviewer: uh {NS} let's see what about corn that's been soaked in lye that's about oh so big around? 342: hominy Interviewer: Mm-kay what do you throw at a Wedding? 342: rice Interviewer: okay that's the only way I've ever figured out to get rice I you can if you try to there's no way you can describe rice to anybody #1 without saying it # 342: #2 no # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # no {NS} Interviewer: #1 Any terms you've ever heard around here for cheap whiskey or homemade whiskey? # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # uh well uh hmm {NS} the old saying about rot gut #1 you know you've heard # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: that Interviewer: #1 pretty descriptive # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: if you had a very sweet smelling flower and wanted to share it with someone you might say here just of that 342: smell of that Interviewer: uh you remember when they used to make molasses with the old uh 342: oh boy Interviewer: #1 the old # 342: #2 I've # seen molasses made #1 quite a bit # Interviewer: #2 {X} # #1 did they use the # 342: #2 that- # Interviewer: #1 mill that the horse # 342: #2 the big # #1 mill with the horse # Interviewer: #2 the mule would turn # 342: #1 going around # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: {NS} in fact over at um uh horse {D: pens} forty the last time we were over there they had a big uh sorghum mill #1 going # Interviewer: #2 did they really? # I-I don't never seen one 342: and they had uh they had the sorghum cane right there and they were selling the cane you could buy the cane or but they had the the old poor mule was just going #1 round and round and round # Interviewer: #2 round in circles yeah # 342: course the pans and the boiling and cooking and #1 stirring you know and # Interviewer: #2 that's mighty # fun stuff 342: and uh they were selling it and uh over there and this uh they just had stacks and stacks of sorghum cane Interviewer: mm 342: you know and uh I told them I said well the only thing I want with that sorghum cane is to eat it Interviewer: that's right I can remember I stopped and bought at a farmer's market some sorghum cane just for the kids because I knew they'd never #1 ever seen anything like it before # 342: #2 get a chance to no # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: I stopped and got them some what about a uh something like molasses or sorghum that's made from uh maple 342: syrup Interviewer: okay uh the opposite, something that's not artificial is what? you'd say that's not imitation leather that's what gen- 342: genuine Interviewer: mm-kay Something that's sold in large quantities is sold in sugar is sold in, you ever hear the term #1 bulk # 342: #2 bulk # Interviewer: okay 342: yes Interviewer: and uh you might out of say grapes and uh peaches and things you might make either some preserves or some jam or some #1 what # 342: #2 jelly # Interviewer: mm-kay and the black stuff and white stuff that you sprinkle on your food to season it 342: salt and pepper Interviewer: Okay uh let's see what about the center part of the cherry the little hard part what's that called? 342: well it's a cherry seed Interviewer: #1 Okay, what about a # 342: #2 uh # well and they call it the if it's a peach seed Interviewer: #1 sometimes the call it a cherry pit or a # 342: #2 pi- yeah # cherry pit is what I was fixing to say about that and {X} peach seed Interviewer: mm-kay what about the peach that has the seed that's real tight in the center that's hard to get out what's that called 342: uh now wait a minute that's a clear seed no a clear seed is where the peach comes off Interviewer: right 342: and then the other one is uh hmm Interviewer: some people call them a plum 342: plums yeah plum peaches won't come off #1 I mean they'll # Interviewer: #2 that's right # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: that's what you make pickle out of Interviewer: yeah, right now I just learned that about two weeks ago at one {342 overlap} #1 these interviews I # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 What about the uh core the the inside center of an apple that you throw away # 342: #2 {NW} # yes the apple core Interviewer: okay uh what about the type of nut that grows in a garden that people will uh you buy at a circus or something 342: peanuts Interviewer: okay, you ever hear them called anything else? 342: goobers Interviewer: okay what is it that grows on the trees a nut that grows on a tree and it used to be in a I mean it starts off in a thing about that 342: walnut Interviewer: a what? 342: walnut Interviewer: right and it'll stain your hand 342: you're right Interviewer: and 342: black green and yellow Interviewer: yeah if you get that soft green part is called the what? 342: mm- the hull Interviewer: okay and then if you get that off you've still got the what? 342: you've still got the uh shell Interviewer: okay what other kind of nuts are grown around 342: well pecans and hickory nuts {NS} Interviewer: what is the kind of fruit that they grow in Florida that you make juice that you drink in the morning 342: oranges grapefruit Interviewer: what about a little vegetable that looks like a small turnip except it's red? 342: beet Interviewer: uh, smaller than that red and white 342: radish Interviewer: mm-kay 342: My husband loves them Interviewer: #1 Does he really? I was just gonna say I don't really care for them too much. . What- # 342: #2 {NW} oo. Yeah, he sits # down to a meal for I- I buy the radishes buy those great big little boxes {NS} he thinks he has to have three four radishes every time he sits down for a lunch or dinner #1 at night or # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 supper # Interviewer: #2 {D: on the hot side for me} # 342: yeah Interviewer: what about the here I have trouble describing this something that you slice up and put in a salad or a hamburger or a- it's red 342: Onion Interviewer: okay or a red one that uh is real juicy a fr- a fr- I don't know if it's a fruit or vegetable 342: tomato Interviewer: okay #1 vegetable isn't it yeah # 342: #2 ye- # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # No it's a fruit Interviewer: is it? yeah okay 342: tomato is a fruit #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I have never, I'll think of it # uh what kind of potatoes to people grow around here in the garden 342: Irish potatoes and sweet potatoes but people call them yams Interviewer: Okay #1 that's the same thing as a sweet potato # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: what about a a long green kind of thing #1 something like # 342: #2 pepper # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: no it's uh, something like well 342: cucumbers Interviewer: No its a you you can either stew it or fry it you can cut it up and 342: okra Interviewer: okay uh if you take an apple or something and put it in the window where the sun shines on it the skin will get all 342: swiveled Interviewer: okay uh with green beans, what do you have to used to I guess you still do but 342: crack them Interviewer: right and #1 string # 342: #2 snap them # Interviewer: {X} 342: or string them and snap them is #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 right # uh what about uh have you ever heard the term leather britches for dried beans? hung up and dried 342: mm well no for green beans I I don't Interviewer: what other kind of beans do they grow in a garden around here maybe besides green beans? 342: well they grow butter beans and butter peas and #1 black eyed # Interviewer: #2 what's the difference # Now I've never heard of a butter pea 342: you haven't? Interviewer: Is it just a green pea, like a 342: and English peas Interviewer: is it like an English #1 a butter pea? # 342: #2 no it's # uh very much like um a butter bean I mean a lima bean only it's uh a rounder and it's a white Interviewer: oh yeah 342: it's uh is very much like the old fashioned white beans #1 you you know {int overlap} # Interviewer: #2 yes # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: but it's it's it has a much more delicious flavor than a white #1 bean # Interviewer: #2 well I know exactly what # what you're talking about I've eaten them but I just thought they were unusual white beans 342: No #1 uh there little # Interviewer: #2 butter beans # 342: butter peas that's what they're called Interviewer: what kind of vegetables come in heads 342: cabbages and lettuce Interviewer: Okay uh what is it that on an ear of corn that you have to strip off before you can cook it? {X} 342: kernels Interviewer: no the green leafy stuff 342: oh shucks #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 okay and # what about corn that's served on the cob do you hear that referred to a sweet corn or {D: roving ears} or anything like that? 342: well uh yes but uh corn on the cob can be most any kind of corn far as that but uh most people prefer sweet corn when they're eating it but when you're gonna cook it that way but um and then uh of course roasting ears there's been a term that I've heard all my life for is corn period Interviewer: alright {NS} what about on the corn stalk the little thing that kind of waves in 342: tassel Interviewer: okay and what is it that kids no, on a corn ear of corn the string stuff that you try to get out 342: silks Interviewer: okay 342: have to silk the corn Interviewer: #1 right, you can never get it all out though no matter how hard you # 342: #2 no # #1 I don't # Interviewer: #2 try # 342: care how hard you try Interviewer: what about the big y- yellow or big orange thing that kids make a jack o lantern out of? 342: pumpkin Interviewer: okay and similar thing except it's yellow and you cook it and eat it 342: squash Interviewer: okay uh, what kind of melons are most common around here? 342: watermelon Interviewer: okay 342: cantaloupes Interviewer: okay, any mush melons? 342: mush Interviewer: #1 mush melons and {X} melons # 342: #2 well there's # very little difference I think in mush melon and cantaloupe Interviewer: well I've never #1 been quite sure of the difference myself # 342: #2 they're # Interviewer: #1 {NS} # 342: #2 # uh I don't know exactly the what the difference is I know of course they they call most of them uh a mush melon uh, usually is what uncle Joey used to say was that they were a little thinner skinned and they were #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 are they # smoother skinned? 342: uh smoother skinned than a uh cantaloupe they're not like a honeydew melon they're not you know a honeydew is real smooth Interviewer: yeah and it's almost #1 white # 342: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # but uh a mush melon uh has a well a mush melon really if uh uh the one's that I know about they've had a much sweeter flavor {NS} to the Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: but I like cantaloupe Interviewer: I do too what about uh uh the little things that grow that look like little umbrellas or something you make a steak sauce out of them you know or you could say a steak smothered in what? 342: onions Interviewer: or or uh you ever hear um uh mushroom 342: mushrooms oh yes Interviewer: and a poisonous mushroom or something that looks like a mushroom that's poison is a what? 342: toadstool Interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 uh # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: somebody might say well his throat was sore he could chew the meat but he couldn't 342: swallow Interviewer: okay uh what kind of owls do you have around here 342: hoo owls Interviewer: uh they're the big ones 342: #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 aren't they # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: {NS} I'll bet you did #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 oh # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # what about the kind of a bird that pecks holes in a tree? 342: wood pecker Interviewer: okay and a s- black and white striped animal that smells very bad 342: mm polecat Interviewer: do you know that one of those things I don't know how wandered right into the main buildings at Florence State University the other day, nobody knows where he came from but right in the heart of downtown Florence uh a wild skunk walked in and everybody was running #1 for the hills # 342: #2 {NW} I don't # blame them Interviewer: broad daylight and the newspaper photographer was there trying to get a picture of it everybody 342: {NW} Interviewer: what kind of, what is a varmint {NS} {NS} 342: well, let me see what what I call a varmint Interviewer: I mean would it be an insect or a #1 mouse or a # 342: #2 no it's an animal # Interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 # but I would I would say that rats or #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: well chipmunk is not a varmint Interviewer: okay 342: #1 and uh # Interviewer: #2 what about a squirrel # 342: squirrel is not a varmint I don't think Interviewer: okay, what kind of squirrels do you have around here mostly the 342: gray squirrels mm-hmm Interviewer: what about uh big frogs that you hear at night? 342: toads Interviewer: #1 The th- th- big deep voice # 342: #2 I mean the the # uh bull frogs Interviewer: yeah and the little tiny ones, you ever hear them called anything 342: tree frogs Interviewer: right that's just what I was gonna say that's I'd heard them called what do what kind of worm do most people use to fish with? 342: mm- earthworms Interviewer: okay and if you're fishing and uh an animal with a shell might get your bait and hang on {NS} 342: turtle Interviewer: a-okay, what if he lives on land? Is he still called a turtle? 342: mm well, yes no he's he's called a uh Interviewer: some people call them gophers 342: go- uh- well Interviewer: or a terrapin or 342: terrapin #1 is # Interviewer: #2 Okay # 342: is the land turtles Interviewer: what about in a little creek? Little animals with pinchers that run backwards I mean not little animals fish and they they look like little miniature lobsters 342: they're uh uh now what am I trying to say? {NS} {NS} Interviewer: crawfish? 342: Crawfish? you mean is that what you #1 talking about # Interviewer: #2 Right. # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and uh 342: things that the little boys grab and run at girls #1 are all over the place with # Interviewer: #2 Yes. # #1 my wife teaches kindergarten she took one from a little boy just the other day it's funny you should mention that # 342: #2 oh my # stars above Interviewer: what about the things now the #1 that might # 342: #2 tad poles # Interviewer: #1 alright # 342: #2 I was # thinking about #1 them too I was # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: what I was trying to think of awhile ago when you said that and then the #1 crawfish # Interviewer: #2 they'll make yeah they make # frog 342: yeah Interviewer: what about the uh the kind of butterfly like bug when you're sitting outside at night and have a light on here come around #1 fly # 342: #2 moth # Interviewer: #1 okay you ever hear them called a camel fly or anything like that? {C: 342 overlap [oh yeah]} # 342: #2 oh yeah # the I think there's a difference between candle flies and moths Interviewer: hmm okay 342: uh for the simple reason that course candle flies are just they look like {NS} miniature butterflies {NS} but the a moth uh {NS} I have {NS} gotten moths that were big enough to go in a half gallon jar Interviewer: good grace that's right th- my wife showed me a #1 picture once of a I think she called a Luna moth or something that was # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 his wings must've been # 342: #2 we had a # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # we had a a screened in back porch {NS} at my home on {X} avenue which I still own over there {NS} uh {NS} one night my mother and I were sitting there in on the back porch course we didn't have air conditioning Interviewer: #1 or # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # machine there and I was embroidering and I happened to look up on the screen and there was the most beautiful moth I think I ever saw in my life {NS} and that thing was {NS} every bit and I wouldn't be exaggerating well he was so big that I went out and caught him he was just stuck right up on that screen and I caught him and put him in a half gallon fruit jar Interviewer: my gosh 342: and uh his wings were so big that I took him out immediately because I saw he's gonna #1 ruin his wings # Interviewer: #2 yeah right # 342: o let him fly of course they say you know a lot of times I've often heard that if that uh pollen or the dust or whatever is on their wings you know something or another. If it loses off that they can't fly Interviewer: I've heard that too 342: and I I got him out but I took him and put him in this great big half gallon fruit jar and he was almost as long and well that was with his wings shut up you know of course when he opened he couldn't open them out Interviewer: my 342: but that was the prettiest thing I #1 one of the prettiest # Interviewer: #2 yeah they're beautiful # 342: sights that I ever saw and it was just a pale pale- #1 green # Interviewer: #2 green # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # right #1 had the real feathery kind of feelers on him yeah I've seen those # 342: #2 mm-hmm mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 {NS} # 342: #2 # Interviewer: what about the little bug that's tail flashes when it flies at night? 342: oh the the little firefly Interviewer: okay uh 342: lightning bug Interviewer: right, what about a a big bug that's got a body kind of like a pencil and clear wings, you ever hear them called a #1 snake doctor or? # 342: #2 yes # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 and they always believe # 342: #2 grow it on # Interviewer: #1 there's a snake around # 342: #2 snake # around when that they've got a long body but those little bitty #1 fine wings # Interviewer: #2 that's right # 342: out this way Interviewer: what about a bug that get on you if you're out there picking blackberries or in the grass or something and 342: oh chiggers Interviewer: right 342: yeah Interviewer: what about 342: red bugs #1 somebody call some of them {int overlap} # Interviewer: #2 red bugs, right # 342: call them you know red bugs Interviewer: what about a little flying animal that bites you m- 342: mosquito Interviewer: yes 342: {NW} Interviewer: now what about some stinging insects what are the different 342: ants Interviewer: no um flying insects that sting 342: oh uh {NS} hornets and uh uh wasp Interviewer: does uh the is a wasp sting worse than a hornet or 342: I think a wasp sting is just about one of the worst stings a yellow jacket doesn't sting much Interviewer: a dirt dauber doesn't sting 342: and a dirt dauber doesn't sting at all Interviewer: #1 now which # 342: #2 yellow jackets will # sting but uh a wasp will really Interviewer: Yeah. 342: as the old saying is sit down on you Interviewer: right which one is it that nests in the ground? {NS} 342: hmm one of those? Interviewer: yeah, isn't it one of them that which one which one is it that builds the big paper looking nest? {NS} 342: wasp do that those little sections in the thing it they- they build it up in the corners #1 you know and around and about and uh # Interviewer: #2 alright, alright # 342: {NS} Interviewer: #1 kind of like a honeycomb looking thing # 342: #2 but uh yeah # and a dirt dauber will get into things and and pack dirt of course you know around that's what they're called and Interviewer: yeah they get in your barn or something #1 yeah they won't sting you but they'll make you scare you to death they'll make you hurt yourself. Listen I it's getting late and I # 342: #2 yeah they'll make you hurt yourself they- # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 342: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NS} # 342: #2 # {X} {NS} Interviewer: Well, I wonder where I left it 342: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: uh #1 there is one # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: now #1 past the end I guess it's # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: been in their house for about thirty five years and she she she knows her notes but she never learned to play and to put anything together {NS} but uh I used to play for the church and I play the organ some and I I uh Interviewer: you used to play for the church? 342: yes Interviewer: #1 well you're a regular pro then # 342: #2 {NW} # yeah I played for the church for many years #1 and, oh yes it was uh # Interviewer: #2 so tell me did your trip to Oak Ridge was it all right I mean considering # 342: considering what we went for of course but uh the uh uh weather was when we left there it rained all day long on Interviewer: #1 came pretty much to the rain right after I left here # 342: #2 oh # #1 Yes it certainly did I # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: thought about you where were you when that #1 came # Interviewer: #2 just the other # side of Athens and uh it kind of scared me and uh it kind of scared me #1 because the wind was really bad and I couldn't get a radio station on the radio to find out if I was in a tornado # 342: #2 oh it blew # well that's right well uh {NS} there were no the wind was not bad but it rained {X} on uh let's see we left here you were here Tuesday we left Wednesday morning and Wednesday night uh we were supposed to leave the house and go to the funeral home course the family you know to be there {NS} at a certain time and I want you to know just about an hour before we were supposed to leave I thought it was gonna take the roof off the house along with everything else you couldn't see you couldn't see from here to that tree it was just a solid sheet of rain thundering and lightning storming Interviewer: yeah 342: and it uh let up so it was still I mean it still sprinkled rain and it was still raining when we came out of the funeral home and it rained more or less all night and then the next day it rained right on up through the funeral but not I was thankful that it did let up enough you know that we could get to the uh graveside #1 without # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 342: being having to but you had to wade water practically to #1 get there # Interviewer: #2 well I bet you did # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: and it was it was a mess and then when we left there we left shortly after as I told you I didn't know what time we'd come back whether we'd come back earlier that afternoon and but since my sister in law had broken her arm and we were kinda anxious to get back see about her and uh we left uh well we ate lunch you know usually a place like that now they have some much food stuff and everything and they insisted that we stay and eat lunch and help them eat up part of it you know and our two sons had come one of the ones from Birmingham one from Cartersville had both come over there and they had left they had to get back to their jobs so {NW} they ate however before they left and then we took off and it was real funny just as we were leaving Oak Ridge another one of those horrible rain storms hit and we came through and Claude thought he was gonna have to drive off and stop Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: there for a few minutes and uh but fortunately it finally did let up but the the windshield wipers were doing no good whatsoever #1 you know # Interviewer: #2 now that's the way it was # #1 the other night I finally pulled over # 342: #2 yeah I thought about # you and I told Claude I said Lord I hope that boy didn't get caught in that #1 rain I tell you # Interviewer: #2 {NW} well it was # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # it was {X} 342: and it just hit #1 so suddenly # Interviewer: #2 I know it # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # I know 342: you know I wasn't even thinking about it raining when you left here Interviewer: I was driving along the road and all of the sudden I thought gravels or something were hitting the car it was big drops of rain 342: oh I know Interviewer: and then the wind was blowing so hard that the rain was coming #1 across in front of the car this way and I can say the windshield wipers weren't doing anything to help {C: 342 overlap} # 342: #2 yeah just in sheets you just didn't do any good # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 but I had gotten # 342: #2 but it was # Interviewer: to that uh that park the other side of Athens where they've got a place that you can 342: #1 yeah pull into # Interviewer: #2 pull into and I just # pulled in there and sat for a few minutes and it let up 342: let up well uh it let up uh right after we left got out of it at Oak Ridge and then before we got home the sun was shining {NS} this weather has really been something that I tell you these tornadoes they've been Interviewer: what about that what'd we got sixteen in Alabama 342: yes sixteen of them and uh Jimmy our you- uh oldest boy called us from Birmingham uh Sunday night was it Sunday that all of them hit? #1 yeah late s- # Interviewer: #2 I believe it was # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: and uh Sunday night where we had uh you know it had been so terrible here it had been it had rained constantly all day long and then it let up late in the afternoon you know but it a- a- th- clouds would gather you know and they look clear like it's gonna clear up and then all of a sudden you know it would start over again and uh we drove out then I had uh prepared some food for my sister in law because uh her husband cooked which you know this right hand broken and all so I thought I told my husband I said well I'll fix her some uh because {D: Borris} just looks for his sweets he's got to have a little something sweet Interviewer: yeah 342: so I made some banana bread and I did that's one thing then too after I got home from church and had prepared this stuff to take out there and uh we first called them and told them we didn't know whether we were gonna get out there or not cuz it just looked so bad we just rather be at home you know but then it cleared up a little bit and we went on out there and stayed for a few minutes and we got back and Jimmy called us then and his uh uh his wife's grandmother uh she was ninety one years old and she had been seriously ill in fact he said that at the funeral the other day when he got back to Birmingham she may have passed on you know but uh anyway when uh he called and he says mother are y'all all right? {NS} and I said what do you mean are we all right? and he said are you all still in one piece up there and I said yes we are why honey? and he said #1 well {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: {D: he said well I didn't know if y'all are alright or not} and like that and I said why what in the world's happening he said well started pouring out here in {D: Terrence} city and they tell me that there's pieces of of mobile homes hanging up in the l- wires everything else out of {D: Terrence} city and they're digging people out they don't know how many's hurt how many's been killed Interviewer: yeah 342: and uh he said that he knew that it struck in {D: Bessemer} but he didn't think that it did much damage over in {D: Bessemer} they don't live {D: Bessemer} they live out {X} Interviewer: yeah 342: a new section you know off of that {NS} area out there {NS} course he had called to tell us that Miss Singleton had passed away that morning but he said I wanted tell you about that too and he said it didn't even hit down there that it had not rained until about five oh clock Interviewer: well I'll be 342: and said then all of a sudden the bottom dropped out Interviewer: oh we've had the craziest weather I just don't know #1 this last year has been just unbelievable # 342: #2 {NW} I don't know it really has # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # before we start this business uh Helen Moore the one who volunteered me you know the one who told #1 you # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: uh she a- wanted to know if you needed any other volunteers up here {NS} Interviewer: I'll have to check and see 342: #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 uh # 342: #1 the reason she # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: asked she uh she says {NW} she's course she's nuts #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: but she uh asked me she says she lives out here in the country out close to {D: Raleigh} Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: you know out going out seventy-two Interviewer: right {NS} 342: and uh she said you needed a black person out there that she was pretty sure that this woman was a native uh of around here and said that uh she says Elizabeth I'm telling you she used terms uses terms that I've never heard of before she said now if he wants to get somebody like {NW} Interviewer: I'll have to check when I get home I've got a I've got my black interview for this area but it was not a very good one and uh 342: well she said to call her and let her know and she would run down there and find out about her Interviewer: oh okay do you have her number can I just #1 call her from the {D: land line?} # 342: #2 yeah you can call her # well you can call her here if you want to or oh you mean call her after you get home Interviewer: yeah I don't mean right now no I just I'll have to check my records 342: #1 and and see what you've got well she said that # Interviewer: #2 yeah and then I'll just write her and tell the library # 342: she was one that she was pretty sure you know you stated that you want- wanted one uh not educated or through the eighth grade you know {X} and not up to that even that standard if possible and she says I'm pretty sure that she hasn't gone up there but says I tell you she uses terms that I've never heard of Interviewer: uh and this lady's name is what? 342: it's uh Missus uh Vinny Moore is what her name is is Helen Moore if you call at the library she'll Interviewer: Okay 342: #1 and she's in the extension # Interviewer: #2 well I have # 342: department of course if you call the library and ask for Ms. Moore she's there Interviewer: I'll have to check when I get home and see but uh yeah this is this is the kind of thing that I like is to find somebody who lives #1 in the area who knows you know {C: 342 overlap} # 342: #2 well # uh she thinks that uh I mean she said that she would be glad to run down and check and see but she says I'm almost positive she was born around here and I told uh uh Helen also that uh the old negro that works for me but you couldn't understand half she says honestly I get tickled uh she tries to get words you know that she's heard people use and she'll use those things and I have to stop and think about what she's trying to say and what she's trying to tell me about something bless her heart she's the best old thing in the world but she can't get her words straightened out Interviewer: that's the way with ours that works for us is that way I have to ask her two or three times what she's said 342: well that's right {NS} she's the best thing she- she's a typical old darkie Interviewer: yeah 342: and she's up in her seventies but she is and the best thing uh she was down here in this flood when they had this flooded area you know uh she was back in butler terrace back there right and she was right on the creek Interviewer: {X} 342: down there and I have not seen her or heard from her and I- I'd been down there three four times and she wasn't at home Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and I tried to get her daughter and I couldn't get ahold of {D: Bernise} so uh the other morning I told Claude to I just have her come and iron for me just every so often just to give her something to do you know and pay her some money she's independent as she can be {NS} she don't want a hat she don't want to accept help from anybody if she can if she can and she used to walk from way over on this side of town clear over on my side of town and she takes those and she walks she'll walk from here to chase she's like that she doesn't do it anymore because I I just got into the middle of it so to speak I just told her I said Belle you're getting too old and there's too much meanness going on and I said now you gonna have to stop that foolishness well Miss Elizabeth I'm not scared but she's since she had to move from where she was she has gotten afraid down in this area but the welfare they took her house and just tore it down Interviewer: My {X} 342: and uh you know saying they were gonna build well they are tearing down they tore down everything around there bless her heart she got out had a garden you know and did this that and the other and they told her that the only place she wouldn't go live with any of her children Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and the only place they had for her was down there in this Butler terrace Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and the first night she was down there this the woman across the street from her shot another one right #1 there {NW} it was a {NW} so # Interviewer: #2 my goodness what a what a christening {X} # 342: honestly uh so I told her I said now so she says well uh I told her I hadn't forgotten about her uh her methods of doing things and what one of the cutest things though I think she does she has gotten to of these life size dolls Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: she goes out takes them out the garbage cans and dresses them up you know she'll find things that people throw away and she has a house full of dolls Interviewer: well I'll 342: but she has these two little life size negro dolls and she's gotten to where when she leaves the house she'll go in and uh put those dolls up in the window like they're looking out the window she says that folks think there's somebody there because they see the they they well honestly when you're away from the window it looks does look like children you know looking out the window so she just puts those dolls up in her window Interviewer: well you know they sell or used to sell inflatable life size men 342: men Interviewer: #1 that the woman if she had to drive at night could put it in the car and it'd look like a man riding # 342: #2 had to drive that's right # yes you see them advertised in these little magazines you know sunset magazine and handover house and all that they'll uh {NS} well it it {NS} might not be a #1 bad idea # Interviewer: #2 No I can # I can see that it would be in some areas especially it would be a good idea 342: because as I said it's gotten to the point where uh well it's just unsafe for anybody to drive really {NS} I tell you Interviewer: you never know what's gonna happen 342: but she is but anyway speaking of the flood so I finally did uh Claude went down there three different times the other morning to tell her to come by and iron for me so we went real early you know and uh she wasn't there {NS} finally he left the message uh one her grandsons uh happened to be over there the third time he went {NS} and she wasn't there so he told uh uh him to tell Belle to call me {NS} well she did and I said where in the world have you been aw Mrs. Elizabeth I just been running around I said yes I know you's just been running around {NS} I know exactly what you been doing and uh I said well I wanted to know if you I thought maybe you'd gotten washed away {NS} she says no but I got scared to death Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 342: #2 {NW} # {X} I imagine you did Interviewer: {X} 342: and she laughed and she said she says you know she said I heard all this hollering and carrying on and this loud talking and said I got up and I ran to the window and I looked out and said the water was all over my front yard {NS} and said they was telling everybody to get out of the houses get out of the houses and it came up so suddenly {NS} so she said that when she got out and stepped out into the street that the water was way up around here but fortunately their s- doorstep is up {NS} #1 on a it's just a # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: step up good from the sidewalk you know but she said by the time it got to her house it never did get up on in the in the house {NS} because she has another step up to ha- the has to come up into that #1 but it # Interviewer: #2 that's # 342: got over the floor over the front porch {NS} but she walked out and of course {X} night in the dark you know and she says I got me a stick Mrs. Elizabeth and I was measuring the water and I said when it got up to a certain place I was gonna get out of there so she did and she started up the street and one of her neighbors uh {NW} she had {NW} who had a son and saw Belle coming up the street and she recognized her and she says you go get her right quick and don't let her fall {NS} so he did and got her in there {NS} well she was already wet it was just pouring down rain she said and said she didn't take a thing to put over her nothing I said Belle you're old enough to know better than that Interviewer: goodness 342: and I said as much stuff as you got I bet she has fifty old rain coats #1 you know every kind # Interviewer: #2 {NW} yeah # 342: keeps everything under the shining sun {NS} then she got they carried her to the red cross and they carried her over to the school and one of the ladies was trying to give out the food over there she's always been a real good cook and real good in serving tables and so forth and she {NS} so she recognized her and she put her to work in those wet clothes and all but she says I was running around so Mrs. Elizabeth I #1 soon got dry {C: int overlap} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} 342: so then uh she picked her up and carried her out to the red cross uh headquarters out on Andrew Jackson Way Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and she worked out there 'til eight oh clock that night helping them do things Interviewer: well I'll bet she's seventy 342: and she's se- she's up in her seventies she is around here Interviewer: she really had an adventure out of #1 the whole thing # 342: #2 Yes she did! # she really did and she says I didn't take a bad cold for two weeks I said you didn't take the bad cold from that then Interviewer: that's right if she didn't catch 342: I said if you didn't take a bad cold from that for two weeks I said you certainly didn't catch it from that so she said well maybe I didn't but I had a bad cold she very seldom and and makes up some of the awfulest concoctions of of medicine you have ever heard in your life Interviewer: I'm known to do that 342: you know she's one of these old fashioned kind and she won't go to a doctor she will not go to a doctor she'll make mix up a little of everything under the shining sun alcohol and soda and she'll put in everything in the world to mix up a concoction in {X} tell her what don't kill her will cure her or what don't cure her kill {X} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {X} might attack the disease there # 342: that's right {NW} well {NW} Interviewer: Let me see what we were doing, I think last time we were talking about insects like uh dirt daubers and mosquitoes and #1 hornets and {X} # 342: #2 yes we did talk about that some # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: what about uh an insect that has big hind legs and is green and kind of pops and flies 342: grasshopper Interviewer: #1 okay, and uh # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 what kind of you were a # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: kid did you ever get one in a jar and try to make him spit tobacco? or do something that I've never seen one do it but they claim that grasshoppers 342: yes I've heard that but I never did do that now my boys I think they finally did manage to get one to do that one time Interviewer: what kind of small fish is it that's for fish bait buy a bucket of what to take fishing 342: worm uh you Interviewer: well this is a small fish 342: oh crawfish? Interviewer: mm-kay sometimes or- or- or maybe just some like minnows 342: minnows yeah minnows of course little bitty fish sure enough Interviewer: #1 yeah # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: what about uh what it that a spider weaves in the house 342: web Interviewer: okay 342: now I say this talking about spider webs uh you have heard of Mrs. uh uh well {NW} her name just left me anyway her uh spider a- web paintings Interviewer: #1 I've heard something # 342: #2 mrs # {D: Clopton} Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: what I was trying to say uh my mother and mrs {D: Clopton were very} very dear friends and uh her if you ever get the chance see mrs Clopton's spider web Interviewer: #1 paintings # 342: #2 {X} what are they exactly # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # #1 that's what they are # Interviewer: #2 they're # they're paintings of 342: #1 paintings # Interviewer: #2 of # 342: on spider webs Interviewer: yes I can't remember where {NS} where in the world I might have seen them I've either seen them or seen pictures of them 342: and the funny thing uh {NS} I had her one time to speak I was president of the P-T-A and uh I had her come and talk to the {NS} ladies uh we had a were supposed to have a hobby program you know and I ask her if she would come and speak to the ladies she was a teacher for many many many many years Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and she said why Elizabeth I'd be happy to well she came and she was the type of person that would never throw away anything Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: she always could use everything under the sun and she only had one eye in later years but when she was a little girl she read uh lived in the country and uh she read where this uh German had painted on spider webs so she was an artist in her own right and being I mean a little girl but she #1 could # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: paint {NS} painted beautifully {NS} so she found out how I mean read about how he did it Interviewer: how in the world do you paint on a 342: {X} so she goes out to the barn and she gets her a spider web now how in the world a child uh- being a child that she was {NS} but the kind of webs that she used were webs from these little brown house spiders or barn spiders and if you ever get up to one that has been gone over and over and over they weave over and over and over and over Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and when they do she got this thing off on a piece of cardboard the between in in a cardboard somehow or another {NS} she takes her paints oil paint {NS} and you can't take a brush Interviewer: #1 you're right # 342: #2 I mean # you just have to uh I- you can't smear the paint you know that way but you have to dot it and you dot those things but she has she has a painting the old spring the old picture Interviewer: #1 just # 342: #2 of the # #1 spring # Interviewer: #2 hundreds of little # dots 342: oh yes with all that together she went puts it together Interviewer: {NW} {NW} well ha- then is it framed or can you 342: #1 yes you can # Interviewer: #2 framed or # 342: see well what I was going to tell you {NS} you know back in those days of course uh she would now be in her nineties but back in those days of course when the uh s- traveling salesmen were traveling through the country you know and they'd stop at a farm house at night and ask for lodging so this salesmen stopped at the house that one night and uh after she had completed her painting and the mother was quite proud of it of course so she brought it out to show it to the salesman and he she told him that it was on cobweb and he didn't believe it and he poked his finger through it {NS} Interviewer: golly 342: and that was the beginning of her cobweb painting but uh she has uh a room up here I mean in- there's mostly a {D: Howard Wheaton} there's a a room I think but there're a great number of mrs Clopton's paintings at the museum on the mountain Interviewer: hmm 342: so if you ever get the chance Interviewer: I 342: be sure and see it you can look through the glass she puts them in glass or puts it on glass and of course when you look through you can see it but that glass holds the uh spider web she's been on she was nationally known Interviewer: I've read about those somewhere and seen pictures of them I don't think I've ever seen one in 342: but uh uh the biggest one that she ever did uh was uh you've seen this great big uh magazine uh page with four roses the big vase of four roses liquor Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: you know and she painted she the biggest n- uh web that she ever was able to get a hold of she painted that picture of the four roses on that but she has miniatures of every one of her grand children Interviewer: {X} 342: and cobwebs and then she'd take uh everything as I said she always said that she wouldn't chew chewing gum except for a purpose {NS} and uh she used it she had uh oh out of the hundreds students that she taught through the years and many of them went to the wars and traveled around over the world and around about and when she was living she had one room in her house that was a regular museum of things that had been sent to her Interviewer: well I'll be 342: and she would take a duck egg I mean she'd I mean a goose egg she got a goose egg she w- had that that afternoon at uh {NS} to illustrate some of her things {NS} and she'd take this goose egg and of course it was large and long you know and she blew it out and then she takes a real sharp knife and she draws a place where she's got to cut to make it halfway cuts that thing right square in two she lined it in blue satin both bottom and top and put a little bit of braid right around the edge of the things you know the bottom and top she used the adhesive tape to make the little hinges on the back of it then she used cold {D: clothes} to make the legs and she uh put gold paint on those she used the chewing gum to stick those on Interviewer: well I'll 342: and made the cutest little jewelry box out of a {X} Interviewer: that's remarkable 342: and she takes uh uh- she would she's passed away now but she would take the uh English walnut hulls Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and take the goodies out and uh then she would shellac them and make uh glue them back together and make salt and pepper shakers and #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 that's well she was really something now that's # that that little kind of stuff is always 342: that's right she was the most remarkable person you would ever want to meet and I wish you could have known her Interviewer: her name was Clopton 342: mrs Clopton mrs J-B Clopton Interviewer: well I'll have to check on that have you ever heard of any medicines that uh people used to make out different kind of uh plants and roots and that kind of thing 342: oh yes I've heard of a good many things uh oh aw {X} try to remember some of them {NW} uh there are any number of things and course dyes from the uh uh {NS} {X} trying to say the bush uh that we get salad from poke salad those poke berries Interviewer: mm-hmm mm-hmm 342: used to make dye out of those red berries and I think they used to make dye out of those in olden times a- also but there are any number of medicines uh that I heard of of course and but just off hand I can't think of any right now Interviewer: okay, what about uh the kind of tree that they up north they tap and get s- sap out of to make syrup 342: maple Interviewer: what kind of tree was it in the Bible that Zacchaeus climbed? I think they have them around here grow near water they have a little {D: bunches} little balls or something that hang down on them 342: oh my goodness I read that a hundred times Interviewer: kind of a sycamore- 342: sycamore tree Interviewer: okay 342: yeah {NW} Interviewer: #1 what are some other common trees around here what kind of trees do you have in the yard # 342: #2 {NS} # well we have maple trees and pine trees and uh walnut trees and pecan trees and Interviewer: you ever had do you have some pretty good uh crops of pecans off of them? 342: well we don't have them here uh I mean I don't have any pecan #1 trees # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: over here but the way I was reared over on Pratt Avenue uh I used to live in a big pecan grove Interviewer: {NW} 342: and uh the big old pecan trees that uh the pecans were medium size they were not these big paper shell pecans but they were much sweeter meated pecans I reckon that's what you'd say the meats were so much juicier and uh had so much more oil in them {NS} but gracious goodness uh we used to look forward to the pecans {NS} falling and and in the mornings {NW} after a big rain the storm you know where you'd just get out and {NS} I picked up pecans 'til I couldn't even raise up Interviewer: Yeah I know there are a couple of Pecan trees over at the college and uh every year you'll #1 see uh # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: people over there shaking them 342: #1 oh they # Interviewer: #2 hitting them # 342: do well we have some pecan trees up around you would've died at me last year uh Mr. Watson we were all sitting up in the lounge and those pecan trees and we'd had a real bad rain storm and I had been telling them that as soon as it rained that the pecans would come down and they said oh Mrs. Heron these pecans are just not gonna fall this year I said well you wait for the wind blows and it rained I said they'll come down now we've had frost and that morning I'm telling you I have never oh we knew those pecans trees were full Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and it was small but they were the best tasting little old things and you just look out round where you pull into the library and people running over them just running over them just mashing them all to the street and everything and I was up there and I told mr Washington I said mr Washington if I go halfers with you will you let me go down to pick up {NW} Interviewer: oh me 342: he says Mrs. Heron if you want to get out in that rain you can do it you can just go right ahead Interviewer: well I'll so you #1 you got a # 342: #2 and # so I got out and I got near ten pounds of pecans Interviewer: {NW} now that's a bunch of pecans especially the small ones 342: I certainly did I we weighed them and I had almost ten pounds of pecans Interviewer: {NW} 342: and so I told him he says what're you gonna pick them out for me I said no I'm not gonna if you can't Interviewer: #1 {NW} yeah # 342: #2 {NW} {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: what the uh- are there any fruit trees 342: oh we have peach trees and plum trees and apple trees and uh Interviewer: have any cherry trees? 342: cherry they're quite a number uh we never did have any cherries in our part of it but uh I had an uncle who had cherry trees galore Interviewer: what kind of berries do people grow around here 342: well uh I think the most prominent one of course is the black berry the strawberries but the black berries are wild Interviewer: yeah 342: and I think we're going to have a crop of them this year I certainly hope so Interviewer: here if a child had been eating some berries uh eating some berries and you didn't or had some berries you didn't know what they were because they might be what? 342: well they might be full of bugs and they might be poisonous Interviewer: okay have you ever heard uh you don't have any mountain laurel or anything around here do you? 342: very little there's very very little there's some mountain laurel but uh most of your mountain laurel will grow further south Interviewer: okay what about uh do you have magnolia? 342: yes Interviewer: okay #1 you ever hear it called anything else? # 342: #2 {NW} # no I don't think I have I've uh course here that's all we we speak of is magnolia trees Interviewer: what about cowcumber or cucumber is that a different kind of tree or have you heard 342: #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 cowcumber tree # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: I've never heard of a cowcumber tree I know the cucumbers grow on vines Interviewer: okay uh 342: but talking about magnolias uh when we were in the old library when people began to come into this section here so rapidly you know from all parts of the country and uh one morning uh one of the girls had been out we have some beautiful magnolia trees in the cemetery and she had been out there and she just pulled off a couple of the blooms and brought them in put them in a great big uh well it was a big brass pot that we had had there and we put it right in the middle of the library you know right where you went in the door and you could see in of course the uh fragrance of it all over the library you know we just something people began to come in you know and they would say what in the world is that Interviewer: yeah 342: you know and we'd say magnolias oh is that what we we always hear about #1 and they give # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: you those songs about that was all we could hear all day long Interviewer: that's right thats thats a true thing of the south 342: it really is Interviewer: let's see uh a woman who's husband is dead is called a what? 342: a widow Interviewer: okay what did you call your father? 342: daddy Interviewer: and your mother? 342: mother Interviewer: okay and your father and your mother together are referred to as your 342: parents Interviewer: okay did uh what did you call your grandfather? 342: well I didn't have a grandfather but I would've called him grandfather had I had one Interviewer: okay, what about a grandmother? 342: well grandmother was I had one grandmother Interviewer: okay uh 342: my child called me Meemaw though my grand grand baby {NW} Interviewer: mine call uh call my wife's parents {D: Gagoo and Dadee} 342: {D: Gagoo and} {D: Dadee} Interviewer: yeah and then my 342: well I had a little Interviewer: {X} grand 342: yeah I had a little uh well she calls her other grandmother granny and uh papa but uh and then my children called my gran- my- my my mother and father uh mama and papa cause I said mother and daddy you know all the time and uh but she started and she she calls me Meemaw Interviewer: well she'll probably call you that right on #1 after she's {C: overlap} # 342: #2 that a # Interviewer: #1 grown # 342: #2 the that's # right Interviewer: what about uh the now I don't think they make these anymore but or I've never seen one in the last ten years they used to make a black vehicle that you put a baby in and it had a hood over it 342: baby buggy Interviewer: right I haven' seen one in a long time I think everyone uses #1 they used {C: int overlap} # 342: #2 they used # to use I mean in course some people called them a baby carriage you know and uh I had a big wicker baby buggy with my two Interviewer: yeah I've seen those I guess it's because people don't go out in the evenings and walk around the neighborhood 342: #1 well I imagine # Interviewer: #2 the way # 342: well a stroller of course now I like a little buggy for a little tiny babies because they can't sit up Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: but of course now they're making them where you can lay them down and Interviewer: #1 take off # 342: #2 yeah # you know and it doesn't make much difference to I like my big buggy #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # what about uh in the old days before women went to the hospital to have babies there might be a woman in the neighborhood who would come in to help with the childbirth 342: midwife Interviewer: okay and if a boy resembles his father you- would you say he takes after him or favors him looks like him or what? 342: I would say that favors his father Interviewer: what if he doesn't look like him particularly but he's got ways just like him {X} 342: then I would say takes after his #1 father # Interviewer: #2 okay # okay 342: {NW} Interviewer: uh you might say to a child you've been naughty you'd better look out you're going to get a 342: spanking Interviewer: and uh {NS} your sister's son would be your what? 342: nephew Interviewer: okay and a child who's parents are not living is a what? 342: an orphan Interviewer: okay and he would usually be assigned a what? 342: guardian Interviewer: okay and all your aunts and uncles and nieces and nephews all of these together you call your what? 342: uh well I'd say my kin people Interviewer: okay someone comes into town or a small town nobody's ever seen him before you'd say he's a what? 342: stranger Interviewer: okay you know some people use foreigner 342: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 he can be # from this country but he's if he comes from a different #1 part of the county something they'll say hes a foreigner # 342: #2 that's right # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: uh an announcer begins his speech by saying ladies and 342: gentlemen Interviewer: okay uh two sisters in the bibles in the house sisters of Lazarus I believe both of their names begin with M 342: Mary and Martha Interviewer: okay 342: #1 We have a # Interviewer: #2 Ah # 342: daughter in law named Martha Interviewer: #1 oh well I # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: should've known to ask that 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 what about what's the first # book of the new testament 342: first book of the new testament Matthew Interviewer: okay #1 I'm not gibing you a bible quiz it's just easier to get these more people in the south # 342: #2 that's alright # #1 I should know an awful lot of it # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: cause I I teach Sunday school but sometimes it sort of gets away #1 from you you know # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # what is a nickname for William 342: Bill Interviewer: okay a little boy or a male goat would be called what? 342: a kid Interviewer: okay or a uh a little boy named William or a male goat is called a what kind of goat 342: billy goat Interviewer: okay 342: {D: Nellie home} Interviewer: okay good 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I- I've got to get those names there and I've racked my brain trying figure ways different ways to get the # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # uh mm let's see do you ever hear what are any terms for a woman teacher do you ever hear anything like just teacher or school mom just 342: well I think about the only thing I w- course I've heard the the expression schoolmarm but I've never called them anything except a teacher Interviewer: okay have you ever hear the term Jack legged preacher 342: yes Interviewer: what does that mean 342: well I think it means a preacher who is not uh I mean a person who goes around and he's preaching but he really isn't qualified to preach but uh he may know what he's talking about in a lot of ways and and the uh Bible as he sees it 342: Claude said that why don't you call my wife she can do anything. Interviewer: {NW} 342: I told her I said I don't believe that he says well I said it I #1 said well. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: {NW} So she went in immediately and called me and of course at that time my daughter was quite small {NS} and I said well {X} I can't come up #1 there I said I've # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: got a little fella here. {D: Oh Elizabeth} if you would just please come and work for about three days and get me straightened out I don't know a debit from a credit I said now that's not so. Interviewer: Mm. 342: And she says well I just need somebody to get this work done and I can't get the typing done and I said she says please I said well I'll see about it. So I call Miss Bell this woman I was speaking of. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {NW} 342: And I asked her I said Bell can you come out here and take care of Barbara for two three four days yessum she just loved her to death anyway so she came on out of course and took care of Barbara for those uh {NW} first few days you know. And every day I'd say {X} you want me to come back tomorrow? I certainly do so I had worked up there nearly three weeks everyday you want me to come back tomorrow? I had her straightened out I had everything done caught up and I was posting course I was trained in business Interviewer: {NW} 342: education that's what I had been trained in clerical work. So uh one morning she said uh come on go upstairs with me I said for what? I want you to go up there at the desk and begin to learn what it is to be at that desk and I said now I didn't say I was gonna work regularly and she says well you are I've got news for you I said well. Interviewer: Oh boy. 342: You know I told her of course we were just kidding one another you know and I said well who's boss of this thing me or you? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: She says you gonna begin to learn this library work. Well as I said and I told my boss the other day I'm retiring the first of September. And uh because Claude has been retired now for three years Interviewer: Mm. 342: So we just feel that since we're both halfway healthy and so forth #1 you know # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: there are a lot of things we would like to do together. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And for almost fourteen years he worked at the fire department uh in our early married life. Uh we had our children and I raised them because he worked six days and nights a week. Interviewer: I didn't think firemen did that. 342: Oh brother well he did it. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Six days # 342: #1 and six nights? # Interviewer: #2 Ninety dollars a month. # 342: #1 Not to all those # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: he- of course his salary was raised a little but it Interviewer: Yeah. 342: began to I mean those six days and nights a week for nearly all those fourteen years. Interviewer: {NW} 342: And then he got to where he would be off every other day and night maybe {NS} so as I said we just never have and then {NW} course when I went to work when he would be off things begin to get better up there and better and better and he became the assistant chief Interviewer: #1 of course. # 342: #2 Mm-hmm. # And uh I when I went to work then so I just knew of course the children were getting big enough we knew we were going to have to try to educate 'em and Interviewer: {X} 342: the expenses of doing that and since I was off of the job and it was interesting most interesting work. Interviewer: Yeah I would imagine it would be. 342: I have thoroughly enjoyed it and uh Mister Watson said well I told him first of this month that I had decided that I'd retire. And he looked at me and he says but Miss {D: Herring} what in the world are we gonna do? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: And I said well I'm glad you feel that way about it I said it's nice to be felt that way about I guess but I said there are other people who can take my place he says no there's not but one Miss {D: Herring} and he says you know how we are up here you're the mama of the whole #1 place. # Interviewer: #2 Well that was # mighty nice. 342: And he said uh I felt like that another thing he says I'll tell you one thing he said ever since I have come here he said you have been a ray of sunshine I've never heard anybody say anything about you ever being mad. Interviewer: Well how great. 342: And he says we- we just can't do without you you #1 just gonna have to # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: stay with us and I- he says can't you just work part time? Interviewer: {NW} Well that's wonderful to be that needed. 342: {NW} Well I tell you as I said I have learned it and I have learned library work from the ground up. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And I felt like that Missus {D: Beanguard} certainly of course now she's state director. {NS} Interviewer: {NW} 342: And uh thats what she has gone on to be. And she first went to work for the extension department for the state and then she became director. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 342: And she is excellent in her job there's no doubt about it and she's had a rough time getting there but she got it. What I mean by that her husband left her with a little girl and she got her education she went ahead and fought for it and studied hard and worked hard and there wasn't anything she wouldn't try. Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} And she's in Montgomery now? 342: And she's in Montgomery she is the head uh I mean she is the director for #1 the # Interviewer: #2 Well that # is 342: #1 state department. # Interviewer: #2 {D: really quite.} # 342: So she came up here one day and called me out and uh well I've worked in every department in there and the thing that's the reason they don't want me to leave for the simple reason I'll tell you why. Uh {NS} any department in that library if they need somebody to come in Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} 342: they'll call down in tech services and they'll say uh {NS} uh {D: Miss Herring} can you come up here and stay while I do so and so and #1 so and so. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: {D: Miss Herring} can you come up here and stay in local history? Miss Herring can you come up here and and look after the office a minute? Well I go anywhere #1 in the library. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: Well I operated the book mobile for two and a half years And did my clerical work on top of everything else then. Then they and I kept books until sixty three. {NS} Besides doing my other work. Interviewer: You mean you were the bookkeeper and the 342: #1 I was the # Interviewer: #2 librarian? # 342: book bookkeeper and I worked at the desk. I worked at night #1 a lot. # Interviewer: #2 {D: Oh boy.} # 342: I filled in I mean you know I could take the desk I I learned uh reference work. It's it's most most interesting. Interviewer: Yeah I would imagine it is but that was uh you were doing two jobs. 342: Well I've done two or three jobs #1 all around. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} 342: So in sixty-three my boss told me at that time uh Mister Covey was our director then {NS} and he says {D: Miss Herring} said we need somebody who is a good typist and uh his compliment was he says you're the best in the library. {NS} Interviewer: #1 Wow. # 342: #2 And he # says I want you know right now said we need you in the cataloging department and said that book keeping can be kept with uh we're going to hire uh a book keeper to come in I mean we're going to hire an outside book keeper just a uh regular uh service #1 book keeping # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: #1 service # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: to do what we have and you can keep up and sort of halfway notice these books so you'll know what's going on. But he says I'd much prefer you going to the cataloging department so that's where I've been. Interviewer: In the cataloging depart- well now that's one of the trickier of the departments. #1 Uh. # 342: #2 It's the # trickiest. Interviewer: Yeah cause it there's some some. 342: And I also mend books and I'm the only person down there who does that and makes books. {NS} Interviewer: Makes books? {NS} 342: I make books I put 'em books books together. People bring in their course we are building up our genealogical collection. {NS} And uh our uh Huntsville heritage collection uh everything about Alabama and about Huntsville is all in one room. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And uh these people will bring Xeroxed copies they'll just bring in the copies that've been Xeroxed of their family histories and so forth. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: Then I have to take those things and I have to cut 'em and put 'em in a #1 book. # Interviewer: #2 Oh I see. # 342: And make a book glue 'em together and then put the backs on them and label 'em and get 'em #1 all fixed # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: and. Interviewer: Do they stay in the library? 342: They stay right there in the #1 library. # Interviewer: #2 You know the # {D: clicks} {D: Pauline and Juanita} have one of the most thorough genealogies I believe I've ever seen for their family. It they have I don't know they have some woman to do it several years ago when they were trying to get in the D A R 342: Oh yes we have old #1 D A R records. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 342: #1 Oh we have # Interviewer: #2 but this woman # carried it all the way back to uh before the year one thousand I mean its really an amazing kind of thing and #1 uh. # 342: #2 Well it's # amazing I tell you if that genealogical bug bites you you just you have #1 been bitten. # Interviewer: #2 I can see # I can see how 342: #1 because # Interviewer: #2 {D: that would be.} # 342: if you get uh uh as I tell 'em my family on my mother's side now they are wanting me to get into our genealogy and go trace it back. But I don't have time. Interviewer: That that that costs time and travel and all this kind of thing. 342: And there was a lady in there today who was telling me she's made five trips to Kentucky within the last two months. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 342: And she was telling us about the asking what we charged to uh uh Xerox things you know or to get copies we have a machine up there in the uh {NS} local history {C: clock chiming} what we call it it's Huntsville heritage supposed to be. But of course being a native that is another thing and that's what {D: Mister Waterson} was talking about the other day he says now you and Miss Russell Missus Russell who is head of this department she was seventy-nine years old today. Interviewer: {NW} 342: {D: And I} but she is just as quick as she can be she's not she hasn't lost any of her vim and vigor she's a widow and she can {X} lo- loves history. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: She loves genealogy. Interviewer: She's. 342: #1 So she's # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: ideal up there of course and she's a native. And so when we get up there a lot of the times you know and and get that bunch of youngsters around us and we start talking about things that've happened here in Huntsville it's just a that's all she wrote we don't get through with breaks {D: of course.} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I can imagine. # What about uh a person who sits in a courtroom behind the bench? and wears the black robes #1 he's a? # 342: #2 Judge. # Interviewer: Okay. And uh a woman who takes dictation and does typing is a? 342: Well stenographer. Interviewer: Okay or uh just a general? 342: #1 Typist. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: #1 A general. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Secretary? 342: #1 Secretary # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: #1 of course. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # And uh Sanders that has the Kentucky fried chicken place is uh is what Sanders? 342: Colonel #1 Sanders # Interviewer: #2 Mm-kay. # Uh the k- the man in charge of a ship is called the what? 342: Captain. Interviewer: Okay. Uh Huntsville what's the chief office civic office in Huntsville? 342: Mayor. Interviewer: Kay and then you have a what city council? 342: City council mm-hmm. Interviewer: A woman who performs in the movies or on the stage is a what {NS} you'd say #1 she's a? # 342: #2 Star. # Interviewer: Okay or you ever a man would be an actor a woman would #1 be? # 342: #2 Actress # Interviewer: #1 of course. # 342: #2 Okay. # Interviewer: Um person is born in this country his nationality is what? 342: American. Interviewer: Mm-kay uh you have ever hear any terms for somebody who's from way out in the country who never gets to town very frequently you ever hear 'em called a? #1 redneck # 342: #2 Hick or. # Interviewer: #1 hick right, okay. # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Yeah we take a lot of {X} people, hicks in Tennessee. 342: I know you do I told Gene uh I told you that uh his nephew you know is up there. Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 342: #2 In # {D: business.} And he was at the {C: background noise} {X}{C: background noise} being married and uh I told him that I had talked with you. And uh that you were from Hixon and he said well did he {C: background noise} tell you that it wa- had been a hick town sure enough aunt #1 Elizabeth? # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: I said yes he sure did and I. S- {NW} Interviewer: #1 Yep # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # I said that is one of the first things he told us at the meeting #1 when he. # Interviewer: #2 Right. # 342: {NW} Interviewer: Hixon is a well it's not very big now but it's three four five times as big as it used to be I guess. 342: Well he says it's an awfully nice little #1 place. # Interviewer: #2 It is # 342: #1 We. # Interviewer: #2 very nice. # 342: They like it very much. Interviewer: If you were getting ready to go somewhere and you weren't quite ready and somebody was waiting on you'd say I'll be there in? #1 What? # 342: #2 Just a # minute. Interviewer: Mm-kay. 342: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Uh. 342: That's what I tell this girl that works with me I never ask her and say Elizabeth lets go break. Just a minute. Interviewer: Just a. {NW} {NW} Somebody might say well I'm not going to do that and you might say well I'm not? 342: Either Interviewer: Mm-kay. This part of #1 your. # 342: #2 Lot a # people say either. Interviewer: I- I've heard people s- what'd you say? 342: I said a lot of people #1 say # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 342: either. Interviewer: I've heard #1 people # 342: #2 You know. # Interviewer: say either but I don't I don't think it's a native thing around here. 342: No I know it isn't Interviewer: What about this part of your head is called what? 342: Forehead. Interviewer: Okay and on top of your head you grow what? 342: Hair. Interviewer: Okay and? Uh if a man doesn't shave he grows a? 342: Beard Interviewer: okay 342: Miss Russell said today that her grandson {NS} had called her last night to wish her a happy birthday and he has had a very heavy beard {NS} and she told him that she would not kiss him she wouldn't do anything till he got that beard off so he said well I wanna tell you that my birthday present to you is that I shaved my beard off. {C: laughing} {NW} Interviewer: Oh boy. What about uh 342: {NW} Interviewer: You uh when you eat you put food in your what? 342: Mouth. Interviewer: Mm-kay and you uh you chew it with your? 342: Teeth. Interviewer: Okay {NS} and the this part of your body uh. 342: #1 Neck. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Okay and inside your food goes down your? 342: Throat. Interviewer: Okay and your teeth are in your what? #1 They're red. # 342: #2 Gums # Interviewer: Okay. This part of your hand is called what? 342: Palm. Interviewer: Okay and that is a what? 342: Fist. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Uh sometimes when rheumatism affects people it gets them in their what? Where they bend #1 there? # 342: #2 Fingers. # Interviewer: Okay or any or any of their #1 j-? # 342: #2 Joints. # Interviewer: Okay. These are what? 342: Shoulders. Interviewer: Okay. Uh when a man has a coat fitted he has to be measured across the what? 342: Chest. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} And uh the front part of your leg here is what? 342: The calf no it's back of it is your #1 calf. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: Uh. Interviewer: The part that you always bump against #1 something. # 342: #2 Oh. # Uh. {NS} Interviewer: Some people call them the shin? 342: Shins #1 yeah I was # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 342: fixing to say that. Interviewer: Some some people call 'em shanks I've always heard 'em #1 called # 342: #2 No # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 342: #2 shins I # have too. Interviewer: What about the term peaked do you ever hear anybody say that somebody looks peaked #1 or puny # 342: #2 Yes. # Interviewer: or anything like that what peaked? 342: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: My mother said. I thought that might be a local term cause my mother says that all the time 342: #1 Yes # Interviewer: #2 and she grew up here. # 342: peaked is uh uh you know when a person looks very hollow eyed. #1 You know you # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: hear of older people say about well I say it quite often you know if you in particularly when a child or someone is ill you know or {D: have been in their eyes} just look like they have great big black circles around 'em you know and Interviewer: #1 When I first shaved after having that # 342: #2 they. # Interviewer: #1 big beard # 342: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: for three years my #1 face was all # 342: #2 Looked like you were- # Interviewer: #1 blanched out and everybody said I looked # 342: #2 I'll bet # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: peaked let's see if I have the newspaper over at school made a before and after picture of that and I really look like I'd been in the hospital or something. {NS} 342: My #1 stars. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: Well you really do. Interviewer: It was a it w- I just hadn't had a chance for my face to weather underneath that beard or anything and it was just pale white just like what my granddaddy called fish belly white. 342: Yeah that's right. Interviewer: And uh I looked I was just #1 recovering from an illness. # 342: #2 Well you must've looked awfully nice # though with your beard I've #1 some # Interviewer: #2 Oh. # 342: men I see that l- I like but oh {D: gosh} some of these people with this long hair and. Interviewer: Oh that's um. 342: And these beards too and #1 and. # Interviewer: #2 Well I had I # grew mine for the Florence centennial and liked it so much that I just #1 didn't shave it # 342: #2 {D: Just} # Interviewer: #1 off. # 342: #2 yeah. # Interviewer: {NS} Came along. 342: Well you know back in nineteen fifty-five we had the sesquicentennial here. Interviewer: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 342: And uh that was another thing Missus {D: Beanguard} of course we had to dress up there in costume. Interviewer: Oh. 342: Oh man we ran around and we had an old gentlemen up there. Uh a Mister Smith who uh well when he passed away he was eighty-four years old. And he didn't have a living soul who was kin to him anywhere. That he knew of and oh there was quite a story behind him I won't use your tape up telling #1 that # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: but uh anyway he did uh he just made his second home in the library. #1 And he would # Interviewer: #2 Oh he didn't # work there he? 342: No he was quite well-read and he was an old gentleman. But one of the most interesting I will say this uh when uh {D: Von Braun's} father and mother came of course with him and #1 I mean # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: they came to visit him and they lived here for a number of years. In fact {NS} and uh Mister {D: Von Braun} would be there at the when we open the doors every morning and also Mister Smith. And they were very near the same age. And of course {D: Mister Von Braun} had been a {D: Baron} {D: Baron} you know #1 in Germany. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. # 342: Uh in Austria rather. And uh uh we had a corner of the old library and it had which in which we kept our periodicals in a rack over there. So these two old gentlemen well Mister Smith had been around the world three times. And he could tell you many many interesting things that's the reason I I said it has been so interesting to work #1 up there you know. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: Because you meet so many people #1 and # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: uh of course {D: Von Braun} used to come in he and his wife and #1 the two girls. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Wow. 342: Used to come in all the time and I I used to talk with 'em you know and Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 342: #2 and # he {NS} uh was quite interested in what the girls were doing and {NW} but anyway getting back to m- uh to the father. Uh in fact the first time that I ever went up to the desk to really take over. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: The lady who was at the desk they had to come from across the library over to the desk over here. And uh we came up the steps right here and went right around our desk right there. So {NS} {NW} I {NW} {D: tell you up} these steps. And when I did Miss {D: Haynes} says woo am I glad to see you. Hurry up and get around here. Interviewer: {NW} 342: Well I didn't know what in the world. And I walked all around and when I looked up she flew down those steps. And there I was behind the desk. And here came this old gentleman well I didn't know him from Adam you know. And he was bowing and smiling you know and so pleasant and uh I said how do you do I said may I help you? Uh uh yeah {C: German accent imitation} yeah. {C: German accent imitation} Well I realized #1 then of course # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: That he was German you know and I thought ooh. Well he laid his bible down on the desk and he said uh he started trying to explain to me that he wanted to find the passage about removing the moat from your own eye before that of your brother. Interviewer: Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 342: Well uh I kept listening to him and watch him and he would try to tell me and I #1 said # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: uh so I finally figured it out what he wanted he kept pointing to his eye you know #1 and # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: and he would point to his eye and then he would point to mine. So I figured out that that was what he was trying to tell me and I said do you want to find out that passage and where it is? Yeah yeah {C: German accent imitation} yeah well he was so thrilled and #1 excited over me # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: knowing that. So we go around and we get the concordance and I find the verse for him you know. Well from then on {D: Mister Von Braun} and I were very very great friends. Interviewer: Well that's terrific 342: And he would come downstairs if I was not upstairs he would come down there if he wanted to find out something he'd never go to #1 {D: Miss Haney} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: #1 and ask her. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} 342: Course {D: Miss Haney} says I can't understand him but you know it didn't take him very long I mean to get to the point that I #1 could understand him # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: I mean we could understand each other we could converse. But what I was going to say this Mister Smith of course introduced 'em over there one morning because they uh had things you know in #1 common # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: they had been Mister Smith had been in Germany several times and uh {D: Mister Von Braun} of course was uh here #1 but they would # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: could talk about things you know and they're same age. And both of 'em were well read they just kept up right to the minute. So I was over there fixing the magazines one morning and uh I heard them talking about and Mister Von Braun was telling Mister Smith about Hitler. Interviewer: Hmm. 342: And how he took all of his land and everything you know and just took over and let them {NS} be you know I mean they couldn't have anything. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And I told some of 'em I said I would give anything in the world if I could've been a little mouse #1 and stayed over there in the # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # 342: corner. And really heard that because Mister Von Braun was asking Mister Smith you know if he'd been to such and such a place and Mister Smith was describing it to him you know #1 just perfectly . # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: And yeah yeah {C: German accent imitation} you know well they had things in common. Interviewer: Yeah. 342: So it was #1 most interesting. # Interviewer: #2 well that that was good # for both of them too. 342: Yes it was and so Mister Smith finally uh passed away but he didn't have a single soul here anywhere. Interviewer: Well he must've been fairly wealthy if he'd been around the world several. 342: Well he had been but and then uh this girl who he had come here they had fallen in love I'll make it short. {NS} It seems that they had fallen in love and he was a realtor in uh Chicago. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And they met at a dance this girl and her mother were at this uh {NS} evidently some big social thing in Chicago you know and she and Alfred met. Miss Annie and Alfred so uh Miss Annie thought he was just a gigolo and evidently and I mean her mother did. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: And they fell madly in love but her mother told Miss Annie that if she married him she would disown her. Interviewer: Hmm. 342: Well she comes back home and uh they correspond and he comes down to see her every so often. {NS} And finally Miss Annie's mother died and left her alone. And she had this huge big home. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And uh Mister Smith came down here and lived with her. Interviewer: {D: Well I reckon.} 342: And uh evidently loved her very dearly and as I said of course nobody will ever know whether they lived together as man and wife or whether he just lived #1 there. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: But he stayed with Miss Annie and boy Miss Annie got sick. That poor old soul cried and he did everything in the #1 in the world # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: that could be done and I think Miss Annie left him everything she had. Interviewer: Well did she die a good bit before he #1 {D: would?} # 342: #2 Yes # she died quite a number of years before he did. And he would just walk around but the most uh well he certainly had been reared a gentleman. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And the hottest day that came we did not have air conditioning in that old library. And the hottest day that came he would put on his he had a wool sport coat. And he would never come to that library without his coat on. Interviewer: {NW} 342: And I would go over there and I'd say Mister Smith please take off your coat. I know you are burning. And he'd say now {D: Miss Herring} you know that my mother taught me never to take off my coat in the presence of ladies. Interviewer: Hmm. 342: I said well I'm a lady but I wish you'd take it off #1 cause you're # Interviewer: #2 {D: Boy.} # 342: just you're making me suffer. Interviewer: So that's why he didn't have any kinfolks he was originally from Chicago 342: #1 Yes. # Interviewer: #2 but he didn't have a # 342: #1 soul down here. # Interviewer: #2 But # 342: there wasn't well there wasn't anybody that he knew of anywhere that was living #1 all of his # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 people were dead. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: But he was the most {D: gentle} {C: pronunciation} person I think I've ever seen and the most {D: mannerdly} person. Interviewer: {NW} 342: He had certainly been well reared Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 342: #2 And uh # I know one day he came over with uh uh one of these holiday magazines you know they're beautiful magazines really. Interviewer: Yeah. 342: Travel you know. And the reason I know he knows knew so much he came over one day and there was a picture of Venice uh one of the the big uh government buildings you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And uh he walked over to the desk and Missus Murphy used to laugh she's still our assistant director but she used to go up the stairs after she came with us at the library. Interviewer: {NW} 342: And she's cute as a bug and she's uh so she'd run upstairs and Mister Smith would be watching I'd always go up at noon time and take the desk. {NS} So uh she'd come back down and she'd say you know I I- Mister Smith was so disappointed he thought that Interviewer: #1 was you coming. # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} 342: And I {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {D: Oh boy.} # 342: {D: Alright} because I took the time to talk with him. Interviewer: Yeah. 342: You know he was lonely. Interviewer: Well old people #1 appreciate that. # 342: #2 And he would # come over and #1 and # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: {NW} though he'd always say well she's my ray of sunshine. Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah. 342: So I felt like that I was really doing the old #1 gentleman # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: you know I enjoyed it but what I was gonna tell you he came over there that day and brought me that magazine and he said Miss {D: Herring} Missus {D: Herring} that's what he always said and I said yes sir. He said you see this and this and this and this you know the the domes of the buildings you know and he'd tell me that which was gold and which was not and which was this and which was the other. He'd been in Russia and he was in the hall of mirrors. {NS} Interviewer: Wow. 342: He had been in the hall of mirrors to a big dance. Interviewer: Oh had he done this before he came here? 342: Oh yes. Interviewer: {NW} Before he met 342: #1 He had # Interviewer: #2 {D: the woman?} # 342: traveled you know. {NW} Well he had met Miss Annie before I mean while some of this #1 went on but he had # Interviewer: #2 Oh I see. # 342: traveled you see. Interviewer: {NW} 342: But he had been and he could tell you exactly every mirror he could tell you what was in between the things. Interviewer: Goodness. 342: He was such an observant person evidently you know #1 while he was # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: traveling that it was it was just most interesting so you as I tell 'em there isn't a day that goes by that we don't #1 learn something new. # Interviewer: #2 Well yeah # right and that w- that's what makes the library so interesting to work in. 342: That's right. Interviewer: What about when a person has a cold or something and it affects his voice it makes him sound funny he'll say he's what? 342: Hoarse Interviewer: Mm-kay. Or if he {NS} does that he has a what? 342: Cough Interviewer: Okay. {NS} When a person just can't hold his eyes open in a boring speech or something you say oh I got so? #1 What? # 342: #2 Sleepy. # Interviewer: Mm-kay. Uh a person who can't hear at all is what? 342: Deaf. Interviewer: Kay. And uh if a person worked out in the sun all day long and it got real hot he would what a lot? {NS} 342: He would sweat. Interviewer: Okay. What about a place that comes up on a on an arm or a leg or something kind of real sore and it comes #1 to a head? # 342: #2 Blister. # Interviewer: No it comes to a head and has to be #1 {D: lanced?} # 342: #2 Boil. # Interviewer: Okay. {NS} When it lan- when it's lanced what comes out if it? 342: The core. Interviewer: Mm-kay and also the? 342: Uh pus. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Uh if you sprain a wrist or something or break a wrist or something it gets all what? 342: Swollen. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And you said blister a moment ago when you pierce a blister what comes out of it? 342: Water. Interviewer: Okay. And uh have you ever heard the term proud flesh talking about an? 342: Ooh yes. Interviewer: Infection #1 or something is that what # 342: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: it is just #1 an infection? # 342: #2 It's just # an infection but it's the where the the infection eats really eats the flesh I think you know I mean it uh. Uh you have to get rid of that stuff before you can cure the thing up. Interviewer: Mm-kay. What about a medicine that used to people would put on their uh cut or something that burned very badly? 342: Iodine. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And what is it that people used to take to keep from getting yellow fever #1 pills or something very bitter? # 342: #2 {NW} # Uh. {NW} Interviewer: You ever hear the term #1 quinine? # 342: #2 Oh # quinine. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 342: #2 {NW} # I was trying to think {C: laughing} what I was trying to say I couldn't. {NS} Interviewer: Uh. 342: My mind goes blank every once #1 {D: in a while.} # Interviewer: #2 Well something like # that I mean I don't guess that people take quinine {D: anymore.} #1 Somebody did tell me they do take # 342: #2 Yes they do too. # Interviewer: quinine for what nowadays? 342: Uh they give you quinine for uh several things uh they in particularly if you're uh going to travel or for if they think you're going to get a fever of any #1 kind. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: Just about. They'll give you doses of quinine. Interviewer: What about uh a thing that a person is buried in the i-is it a coffin or a casket? Do you call it? 342: Well it's uh um I say casket but a lot of people I mean will say a coffin. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Uh when let's see when the the people wear black arm bands that sort of thing they're said to be in? 342: Mourning Interviewer: Okay. Uh what about a disease that people get and it makes their skin turn yellow? 342: Malaria. Interviewer: Mm-kay or you ever hear yellow? Uh #1 jaun- # 342: #2 Yellow # jaundice. Interviewer: Yeah. 342: Yes my child has had that. Interviewer: Oh really? Well that's a fairly serious disease isn't it? 342: Yes it's very serious you know they say that if you uh in fact we didn't know that he had that. And uh {NS} then it turned out that uh he had not uh gotten his skin had not turned too yellow but uh {NS} he had uh all the symptoms of of having it. Interviewer: Hmm. 342: And the doctor began to treat him for it and he got better of course. And so now he had an occurrence of it though when he was in the marines. And they put him back in Bethesda Naval Hospital. And of course you know he can't ever give blood. #1 They won't accept # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: #1 any # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # 342: blood from a person who has had that. Interviewer: {NW} Let's see uh what about a let's see. If you have a pain in your side and you have to be taken to the hospital you have to have an emergency appendectomy it was because you had what? 342: Appendicitis. Interviewer: Okay. When a person uh gets uh eats something that doesn't agree with him it'll make him sick? Would you #1 say at? # 342: #2 {NW} # At his stomach. Interviewer: Okay. Uh {NW} let's see. {NW} If a young man and a young lady are seeing a lot of each other you say that he is what her? 342: Courting. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Uh {NS} if he proposes and she refuses you'd say that she what? She would you say she? 342: She rejected him #1 I guess. # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 342: {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 And if she # didn't then they would get? 342: Married. Interviewer: Okay. Uh the man who stands with the groom at the wedding is the what? 342: Best man. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And the uh woman who stands with the #1 bride? # 342: #2 Maid # of honor. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever heard of a custom either following a wedding or an uh one man told me that uh they did this in his neighborhood when a c- new couple move or a couple moved into a new house whether they had just married or not. Where all the neighbors would get around outside the house and bang on buckets and things and make a lot of noise? You ever heard of that custom? 342: {NW} No I've never heard of that custom. I've heard of of I thought maybe you were gonna say a housewarming Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: you know. #1 Or a. # Interviewer: #2 Well I # think this was something like that but the before they invite before they came in the house they #1 would? # 342: #2 They would # Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 342: #2 carry on with a # lot of noise #1 and # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: racket. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: If you were talking about a {NW} a group of people uh in not so nice terms and then you might say well I wouldn't give two cents for the whole what? {X} 342: kit and caboodle. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 342: {NW} Interviewer: Okay. 342: {NW} That's my saying for it. {NW} Interviewer: Uh {NS} school at eight oh clock in the morning school does what? 342: Begins. Interviewer: Mm-kay and at say three-thirty in the afternoon it what? 342: It ends. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 342: #2 Or # closes. Interviewer: A child doesn't want to go to school he might what one day? 342: He might play hooky. Interviewer: Mm-kay. 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Uh. # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: Is what I thought mine would do that first year he was in school. Interviewer: That's right it when he was so #1 bored with it. # 342: #2 Yeah. # Well he was bored #1 to tears. # Interviewer: #2 You wanted to mail # a letter you'd take it to the what? 342: Post office. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And uh the woman who helps a doctor out in the hospital is the what? 342: Nurse. Interviewer: Mm-kay and if you wanted to catch a train you'd go to the? {NS} What? {NS} 342: Depot. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Does Huntsville still have the square downtown? 342: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I didn't know whether they did or not. 342: #1 Oh yes and that # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: monstrosity of that court house that they put up there. Interviewer: Oh that's right I've seen that new courthouse #1 I don't like it. # 342: #2 Oh lord # I hate #1 it. # Interviewer: #2 Did they # tear the old one down? 342: Well yes they could've made the prettiest library I've always said that. They could've made a museum or a library they could've made a a gorgeous museum out of that thing. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: It was a beautiful #1 building with. # Interviewer: #2 And they just knocked it # down huh? 342: And they just {D: floored} #1 that and built that # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: monstrosity. Interviewer: #1 Did Huntsville ever have # 342: #2 {D: Of course.} # Interviewer: street cars? 342: Yes. Interviewer: #1 Track # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: did you call them street #1 cars or trolley # 342: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: cars or #1 what? # 342: #2 Street # cars my father was a motorman on one. #1 For ten years # Interviewer: #2 They used to be a # really big honor you #1 know. # 342: #2 That # was a big #1 thing to go ride. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # If you were riding on one of 'em you might tell uh the conductor or the motorman at the next corner I want? 342: Off. Interviewer: Okay. And Huntsville is the what of Madison county? 342: {NW} It's the county seat. Interviewer: Okay. Uh let's see. The war that was fought between the north and south was called what? 342: War between the states. Interviewer: Okay. 342: {D: Lord mercy.} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: {X} {NW} Interviewer: #1 What uh? # 342: #2 Mis- Mister # Watson is a big Civil War bug #1 {D: and he can} # Interviewer: #2 Oh really? # 342: tell you. Interviewer: What state, now some of these are kind of crazy this questions what state is New York City in? {NS} 342: New York Interviewer: Okay. What about Baltimore? 342: Maryland. Interviewer: Okay and uh Richmond? 342: Virginia. Interviewer: Mm-kay and Asheville? 342: North Carolina. Interviewer: And Charleston? 342: South Carolina. Interviewer: Okay and Atlanta? 342: Georgia. Interviewer: And Miami? 342: Florida. Interviewer: And Huntsville? 342: Alabama. Interviewer: Mm-kay and New Orleans? 342: Louisiana. Interviewer: And {NW} Louisville? 342: Kentucky. Mm-kay and uh Knoxville? Tennessee. Interviewer: Saint Louis? 342: Missouri. Interviewer: Mm-kay and uh Little Rock? 342: Arkansas. Interviewer: And Tupelo? 342: Mississippi. Interviewer: Dallas? 342: #1 Texas. # Interviewer: #2 And # Tulsa? 342: Oklahoma. Interviewer: Okay. What about the states extending from Maine to Connecticut on the map they're called the what states? 342: Oh um east. Interviewer: Okay ever hear them called the New Eng-? 342: New England states what I was tr-. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh # 342: #2 I tell # you I chase down these {NW} people {X} and um genealogical records and trying to find these states and so #1 sometimes {C: laughing} # Interviewer: #2 {D: Oh yeah.} # 342: I can't. Interviewer: You know the maddening thing I would think would be uh like well Alabama and and southern states I guess all states in it but Alabama and Tennessee I know changed counties three or four times they started off with relatively few very big counties #1 {D: and then they started.} # 342: #2 Well uh # that's one thing that we have I mean you have to know how now I have attended uh three workshops genealogical workshops. But uh we have what you call the uh genealogic- genealogist handbook. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And in each one of those things they have a map of the state but then they have it listed by counties and then uh they tell you when that county what year that county was formed. And over here they have {D: the mother} counties. Interviewer: Oh I see. Well now that would be a handy #1 thing to have. # 342: #2 Oh it's # handy I tell you you can't you can't look up genealogy hardly without it I it up there. Interviewer: What about some of the the big cities in Alabama name some of the major cities in Alabama? 342: Mobile, Montgomery. Birmingham. Interviewer: Okay. #1 What about? # 342: #2 Huntsville. # Interviewer: #1 what about yeah Huntsville don't forget Hunt- # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 what about in Georgia? # 342: #2 {NW} # {NS} Oh Atlanta Augusta uh. Interviewer: How about the port town in Georgia? Old southern town? 342: Oh um wait a minute. {NS} {NW} That's another thing my mind I #1 tell you it just goes. # Interviewer: #2 Savannah? # 342: Savannah Georgia. Interviewer: Okay. What about uh 342: It goes blank every once #1 in a while. # Interviewer: #2 Well that's a # people aren't likely to ask you things like that without #1 naming the town you know? # 342: #2 {NW} # Oh yeah they ask me they y-you'd be surprised at the questions we get. {C: background noise} {NS} Interviewer: Oh real- I 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 wouldn't be I used to # well, I- I #1 worked. # 342: #2 You # would be surprised I'll tell you. But uh one of the things that would floor you. You know uh they talk so much about these obscene phone #1 calls. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: And this Helen Moore that I was #1 talking # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 342: to you about {D: she has to be} {X} and the quickest thing on the trigger so to speak about doing things. {NS} And she went up there the other day and was at the desk and the phone rang so she uh answered it. {NS} And uh the voice on the other end asked her a very very very obscene question. And just out of the blue she said uh she waited a minute and then she realized what he had said and she said uh is that a reference question? Interviewer: Oh n-. #1 {NW} # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} That's beautiful that is that's #1 {D: wonderful.} # 342: #2 I'm telling you # we have laughed. Interviewer: #1 that's really quick thinking. # 342: #2 And that # and uh she said they waited and waited and waited and {X} they just hung up. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah they didn't they they didn't know what to say # {NS} You know when I taught at uh #1 U A E # 342: #2 {X} # Interviewer: {D: each year} we had the library #1 had trouble with obscene # 342: #2 {NS} # Interviewer: phone calls all the time. 342: Well you know the funny thing uh they call that that one and then they called both of our branches main branches. Interviewer: {NW} 342: And asked the same identical question. Interviewer: {NW} 342: #1 {D: And it likely} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: scared the girls #1 to death out # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: there. Interviewer: Yeah the #1 the girls. # 342: #2 That Helen was # just so quick #1 the that # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: was about #1 the cutest # Interviewer: #2 that was # 342: #1 thing I # Interviewer: #2 {D: the best} # 342: #1 had heard in a long # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 time. # Interviewer: #2 {D: ever heard.} # 342: {NW} Interviewer: What are some of the uh major religious denominations around here? 342: Well I think the major ones are the Methodists and the Presbyterians and the Baptists and the {NS} Catholics. Interviewer: Yeah. you know I think the Jehovah's witnesses are creeping in on us here I noticed 342: #1 Oh # Interviewer: #2 that in Florence they just # 342: #1 talk about that we have # Interviewer: #2 built one of these. # 342: one up yonder. Interviewer: {NW} There in Florence they just built one of the what they call Kingdom #1 Hall. # 342: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: And I noticed driving over here tonight there's a new one out on #1 the highway # 342: #2 Yes. # Interviewer: there so they must be kinda they're 342: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 they have just # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 recently # Interviewer: #2 in my part. # 342: they have just recently um built this one they'd been having a little meeting out and they had a little Kingdom Hall out {D: here uh I think} it was off. {X} {C: background noise} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: background noise} 342: But um we ha- {NW} let me see wha- oh uh speaking of that {NS} uh we have a service of course up at the library now that uh uh called community services and this young lady who is head of that is uh it it's the blind and the deaf #1 department you know. # Interviewer: #2 {D: Alright. Mm-hmm.} # 342: So this person she had uh {NS} uh we tape books they have people to come in and uh tape the books for the blind #1 you know. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm. 342: So uh she wanted one of these Jehovah's witness books taped. Well uh Joyce had it taped for her. So uh yesterday morning she was reading the letter that she had gotten of thanks from her and in braille it'd been typed in braille. And Joyce was read- {NW} {D: and he} told her that uh God knew uh Jehovah knew that she was doing this. {NS} But that she had better get right with Jehovah because {NW} oh blah blah blah blah. #1 Well I never heard such a long rigmarole # Interviewer: #2 Oh my goodness. # 342: of stuff in my life. Interviewer: And this was all typed out in #1 braille? # 342: #2 And was # all typed out in braille every bit of it. And it we do get some fun but you speaking of reference questions you know people will call about things that you've never even dream of they'll call and ask you if they supposed to wear what kind of w- we- uh clothes they're supposed to wear to a wedding. Interviewer: {NW} 342: They'll call and ask {D: you if you're} supposed to wear a hat you know to this or that and after dark if you're supposed to have this and that and the other. And they'll call and ask you how to set the table. Interviewer: Yeah. 342: They call and ask of course five hundred times a day uh about uh if we'll look up an address in the phone books. #1 You know from # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: some other city. Interviewer: {NW} 342: And uh well I um one of the cutest things I ever had though to ask this little boy called one day and he said uh is this the library and I said is this the library? {C: pronunciation} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 342: And I said yes this is the library. {NS} And he said well how much rent how much will the back rent be on Little Women? {NW} Interviewer: The back rent. {NW} Oh me. 342: {NW} I said honestly I said uh what did you say son? And he says how much will the back rent on little women be? Interviewer: Back rent. 342: Well of course he didn't tell me how long the #1 book had been # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: overdue or anything #1 about it you know. # Interviewer: #2 Well he figured that # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 But he yeah. # Interviewer: #2 you just knew # 342: I'm supposed to know I've settled bets over the telephone. Interviewer: Yeah now I can imagine 342: #1 I've settled # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: arguments. I spent one whole lunch hour up there one day trying to uh prove to a man to two men. And uh they wanted to they were asking they were having a quarrel about who was about {X} {NS} where he was born and that he was president and I said I'm sorry but one of you wrong now who bet the other one? So I said now who's {X} stakes. {NW} {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Oh # 342: #1 they were # Interviewer: #2 boy. # 342: drunk but you could they were just enough you know that #1 you you # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 342: could tell. But they would call every minute. Now wait just a minute you've got to tell this other one. You've got to tell Bill and John or whatever his name was you know so he'll know and he'll pay me off. Interviewer: {NW} 342: And I told him {X} was born in Tennessee well they didn't believe that you know. {NS} Wanted to know where he was born well I had to tell 'em exactly when where and how. But he was president of the United States. I said no he was Secretary of State. {C: background noise} Interviewer: {NW} 342: Oh boy Interviewer: He had a major building in {NW} civic building in Nashville is the {X} building. 342: Well certainly. But uh they didn't they got in an argument over it. Interviewer: That's some. 342: And then you'd find out family history for you d- you'd get things I have one person that called there one day and they read me the act of everything that this one person had done and I kept trying to hang up on 'em and I told 'em I was not the least bit interested. Interviewer: {NW}