Interviewer: {NS} What do you call this uh uh wooden frame you know that carpenters used a lot they can take a couple of them and make a temporary table if they wanted to 472: Uh Well Interviewer: It's kind of a kinda shaped like that 472: Oh yeah That's what you call uh Sawhorse Interviewer: Yes 472: Sawhorse Interviewer: I see 472: Yeah Interviewer: Was there anything uh kinda like that that you could use as a as a brace for a log if you were gonna saw it off just put it it's kind of shaped like an X and you could put log right in the middle and saw off the end of it 472: Uh-huh Yeah that's called uh A s- uh I don't know What what did we call it call it unless we called it a {X} {X} Interviewer: {X} 472: {X} Got two {X} Down the X side Interviewer: Yes 472: Put that in there You'd have your place to saw Interviewer: Ever heard people call that a wood rack or sawbuck or something like that? 472: No I have a wood rack out there {NS} But Interviewer: What's that for 472: It's it's the same it's all the same style but there's three three of them together {NS} Three of these together you see And I saw any most any length of the wood And I got it in a {X} Or you know rack it's your rack Wood rack Interviewer: Got three of those X shaped 472: #1 Yes it's got # Interviewer: #2 Things # 472: Three of them And it's what you call a wood rack I think Interviewer: Yes I see 472: And that's what you showed me that represents a sawhorse Interviewer: Sawhorse okay 472: {X} Interviewer: say you when you get up in the morning on your h- on your hair you might use either a comb or a 472: Brush Yeah comb or brush Interviewer: If you're using a brush you say you got to 472: Brush brush your hair Interviewer: {NS} Do you ever use a straight razor to shave with 472: Oh yeah Uh you have to be so careful with it {NW} I don't fool with them much Interviewer: It'll carve up your face 472: My father used them {X} And the older days though I had to take shaving And uh I was shaving with my safety razor All the time Interviewer: What'd you have to sharpen that to 472: A big razor Had a razor hone and a razor strop Hone the razor good and then strop it and then put your {X} Interviewer: Yes sir 472: Yeah {NS} Knock all the {X} Off you see that's what the strop is for Interviewer: Right 472: You put the {X} Interviewer: I see 472: Well that's the same way about my pocket knife I wet my knife or file it or something another Then I uh put it on a slick stone Knock the {D: water edge} Off and I got a cutting knife Interviewer: I see say if a man was going to go hunting if he was using a shotgun he would use a shell in his shotgun but if he was going to use a pistol or a rifle he'd use a 472: Cartridge Interviewer: Have you ever done any hunting 472: Yeah I have {NS} Not too much I never did {X} I got a boy he loves it Interviewer: Right 472: {X} Interviewer: Okay I see when you were a young boy did y'all ever have anything like uh a long board where one boy could sit on one end and one on the other and then you'd go 472: Seesaw Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah seesaw That's what it's called seesaw Interviewer: Y'all made those? 472: Yeah we made something better than that Interviewer: What was that? 472: {D: Launching} Interviewer: What was that about 472: That's a stump narrow stump {X} Sit down on Bring something like a cross tie And take a {NS} Bolt and drive it down through the uh center A round bolt Little hole or something like that Put your board And then One get on one end of it one on the other And it's one get Push them around My me that's something Interviewer: {NW} 472: {NW} Gets you sick as a {X} {NW} Much of it you know Interviewer: Yeah I guess you would get kind of dizzy 472: It's like a swing a swing will make you sick And thirsty Interviewer: I see did you ever just take a board and and anchor it at both ends it'd be kind of limber so you could jump up and down on it in the middle? 472: Called a spring board Interviewer: Spring board 472: Yeah Spring board I've been on a lot of them especially one at the creeks you know when you was You would spring up and down Interviewer: Oh you mean to go out in the water 472: Yeah Dive off Diving board you call it Interviewer: Yes sir I see 472: {NW} Yeah Diving board Interviewer: Did you ever use a coal burning stove for heat? 472: {NW} Yeah yeah yeah I know it wasn't a wood burner I know that much Yeah yes I had to because I remember that camp I stayed on in the river At the river Interviewer: Yes sir 472: The big coal heater And but I didn't have no Coal coal but I used uh Um it had a notch you know for coal It'd burn wood or coal It was a coal heater But I didn't have the coal but I have warmed my coal heaters i- {X} When I had that Interviewer: Yes sir 472: Come in there in the winter and Go in there and it kept that warm real warm without coal in it Interviewer: Did you have some kind container inside where you could keep coal next to the stove? 472: Yeah Inside the heater you mean Interviewer: Well you know just a place next to the stove where you could keep coal if you needed some to put 472: Oh I see what you mean Yeah Uh you'd have what you call a coal box Interviewer: Yes sir 472: To get the coal out of Coal box Yeah Interviewer: What if if you had an ax and you wanted to put an edge on it if you wanted to sharpen it what would you use? Uh what did you use years ago? 472: File File used the file {X} {NW} Until the latter days later days I uh Uh got a ember wheel Real good one And I use it now On sharp axes or {X} Interviewer: Did you ever see one of these old fashion wheels that you had to turn it around? 472: {NW} Uh that's what you call a grindstone A hand grindstone yeah Uh Grind rocks That's what you called them grind rocks Um I thought I had one of them {X} {NS} We sharpened axes on them too Interviewer: I see 472: Yeah {NW} And uh then they had they come up with a Them grind stones with a Seat on by them And pedals And I've used them too Interviewer: You'd just do it yourself 472: Done your own pedaling Interviewer: Right 472: like it's almost Interviewer: Right 472: Faster you pedal faster you turn Interviewer: {NS} Was there something that you could use to sharpen a knife with that you could just hold in your hand 472: Whetrocks Interviewer: Whetrock 472: Yeah Whetstone some people called it Interviewer: I see 472: Yeah Whetstone {NS} Interviewer: Say if a fellow had a car and it was making squeaking noises he might take it into the gas station and ask the man to put it up on the rack and do what to it to 472: Yeah uh Examine it see where that squeaking is in my car It's squeaking uh Making a racket Uh Interviewer: What would he do it to make it quit 472: And then he'd have to check to find out where it was and then do something about it He'd have to uh Uh either fix it tighter or Do something where it wouldn't rust Interviewer: Or gre- 472: Grease it yeah could grease it Uh whatever whatever the part was Interviewer: If he got that stuff all over his hands he'd say his hands were real 472: Real greasy Interviewer: You know that uh I don't think they have these anymore but the inside part of a tire that inflates you could call that the inner 472: Uh Let's see what they call that Inside of a tire I don't know what they What they named that Interviewer: The tubes 472: Now they have a When they go to Pump it up they have a cue They put in there And now then he got to where it uh {D: they run them all out to} Especially when they {X} Interviewer: Right 472: {NS} That's a mighty smaller tube Interviewer: {NS} Ask about this expression say if uh just want to make sure I turned my lights off yeah say if a man has himself a a new boat and he wants to try it out he'd take it own to the water and as he's putting the boat in the water what what do you call what would he call himself doing as he's putting his boat in the water 472: Launching Launching the boat Interviewer: I see I bet you've launched a 472: {NW} Yeah Interviewer: {X} 472: {X} {NW} Interviewer: Right 472: I'm wearing a truss today because of lifting heavy motors Interviewer: Oh really 472: Right {X} Interviewer: That can't be 472: Later folks come along you're sure going Without them you know I mean Interviewer: No 472: Try to do it yourself you see them doing it Interviewer: Right 472: That's where I got {X} Interviewer: When a woman's working around the kitchen something that she'd wear around her 472: Called apron Right Interviewer: Ever seen the type that came up uh over the shoulders? 472: Yeah Interviewer: Instead of just the waist 472: Yeah Yeah that's right Interviewer: Uh used to again I don't think that you have to use this anymore but uh people would hold babies' diapers together with a 472: Safety pin Interviewer: I understand now you can get some that just stick together 472: Never have saw it Interviewer: Haven't seen those 472: No I haven't Interviewer: I see 472: That's more modern {X} Interviewer: Right what would you call this thing right here that I'm writing with that's an ink 472: I'd call it an ink pen Interviewer: Talking about clothes what would you say that a man's three piece suit consists of 472: Three piece suit Interviewer: Yes sir 472: I don't know Just a three piece suit Interviewer: Well first 472: Well there's #1 First his # Interviewer: #2 Start off # 472: Pants and Then uh Underwear And then his shirt Interviewer: And over his shirt he might wear? 472: Overshirt Interviewer: And over that it's like he's going to church 472: Then he'd put a coat on Called a coat {NS} Yeah Interviewer: Sometimes people between their shirt and their coat they wear a {NS} 472: Neck tie {NS} Interviewer: Or have you ever seen these things you know they uh they don't have any sleeves to them or anything you wear it 472: Oh you're talking about a vest Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah {NS} vest Interviewer: Did you ever wear one 472: Yeah Sure did Interviewer: I see say if I were trying on some clothes I might say something like well uh that coat won't fit this year but last year it 472: I've outgrowed it Interviewer: Well 472: It's too large Or I'm getting too fat Interviewer: Right 472: or something like that Gaining weight Interviewer: Or it won't fit this year but last year it alright 472: Just fit perfect Interviewer: {NW} or say if my old clothes are just getting worn out I might say well I need to go to town to buy myself a 472: Another suit Interviewer: Not an old one but a 472: Yeah Interviewer: Need to buy a 472: Yeah Buy a new suit Interviewer: You know sometimes when 472: {NS} Sometimes I'll call these clothes wearing out they're getting mighty bad thread bang Interviewer: Thread bang 472: Thread bang called it thread bang {NS} Had to do something about it {NS} Interviewer: You know sometimes when young girls are getting ready to go out on a date with a boy they'll spend a lot of time in front of the mirror what would you say they're doing 472: I guess they'd call it beautifying themselves {NS} Yeah {NW} Interviewer: Right 472: They really go for that {NS} Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah My backside Sometimes my back will always lack too much anyway Interviewer: {NW} 472: About that Don't want it too extreme other words Interviewer: Right 472: I don't want one looking old slouch I'd call it old slouch I don't want {NW} But these Interviewer: Now what what if a boy or a man were going out on a date and he was doing the same thing you know spend a long time in front of the mirror? 472: Oh well he'd kind of have to see his face wasn't dirty or Maybe or just to see if he can straighten his hair a little different Make it a little Look more neater Interviewer: Would you say he was beautifying 472: Well he just wants to look neat More or less than to be beautified Course that that'd go in with that but Just to look neat and clean And see if Clothes collar and everything or his tie {NS} {X} Interviewer: Ever heard people use the word primping 472: Yeah primping yeah Interviewer: {X} 472: Well that that that'd go for the man and the woman wouldn't it primping {NW} Interviewer: Yeah it would okay yeah 472: {NW} Interviewer: You know sometimes when uh little boys are playing around they'll pick up just about anything they see and stuff it in their pocket and it's not long before their pocket begins to 472: Puff out and uh {X} Interviewer: Right or bulk 472: Bulk out yeah {NW} And they uh Don't Well Interviewer: First you know talking about women what would you call that thing that women carry along with them have all their stuff in it you know 472: Yeah that's that purse they call it yeah Interviewer: Some of them get pretty crowded I know 472: Yeah Yeah they do they get Pretty crowded Some of them lose them in fact {NW} Somebody snatch {NS} Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah {NS} A total loss {X} Over in Mobile I think it was Uh they grabbed her purse and she held onto it and they took her down the street Interviewer: No 472: Yeah They'd have killed her if she hadn't come with them Interviewer: {X} 472: Yeah I reckon Interviewer: Do women have a little a little one that they can carry inside their purse that's a metal flask they use for carrying change or coins 472: Yeah It's uh Called a uh That's what they put their pocket change in It's uh Called a Pocket book little inside pocket Interviewer: Do you ever see men use those? 472: I've got one in my pocket Interviewer: Oh do you 472: Yeah Interviewer: Do you use one? 472: I've got uh Interviewer: I'd like to see that oh yeah {NS} do you keep folded money in there too 472: No Interviewer: Just change 472: Little change purse I call it Change purse Then I have one there in the drawers uh Massive it'll come over you Fill up the thing Interviewer: I see 472: Put a lot of change in it but don't hold nothing Interviewer: I see yeah what about the thing that women like to wear around their 472: Bracelets {NS} Wrist watches Interviewer: What about around their neck they might wear 472: Necklace Interviewer: Or bea- 472: Beads {X} I bought a pair of String of beads oh Two feet long about Interviewer: Two feet 472: {X} {NS} Beautifulest beads you ever looked at in your life Interviewer: Oh my 472: Long beads She liked beads and I just bought them Wedding beads we called it I bought me a neck tie wear the neck tie It uh was a beautiful color But it represents the rattle snake color Interviewer: Hmm 472: It was certainly pretty though Interviewer: Yes 472: It And I bought her the beads Interviewer: {NS} Well what do you what do you call those things that you're wearing that go over your shoulders 472: I call them suspenders or galluses or Trouser holders something to hold Interviewer: Right 472: Something to hold up your trousers Interviewer: I see 472: I always call 'em suspenders Interviewer: Right {NS} {NS} and something that you would use on a day like today to hold over your head 472: {NW} Umbrella Interviewer: Beg your pardon 472: Umbrella Interviewer: Ever heard that called anything else? 472: Parasol Interviewer: {NS} Is that the same thing 472: Same thing Parasol and umbrella That's it That's one of the things I had to learn how to spell {NW} #1 So at the school # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 472: Umbrella Interviewer: Right {X} 472: Yeah Interviewer: Now when a person is making up his bed the last thing that goes on the bed what would that do 472: Spread {NS} {X} {X} Interviewer: Ever heard an old fashioned word for that 472: Uh Counterpane Interviewer: Counterpane 472: Yeah Interviewer: Was that just the same thing 472: A {D:caterpane} no i- it's not the same thing {X} They have what they call bedspread And counterpane Both answer for the same thing But the counterpane is supposed to be more Uh nicer than any bedspread Course I saw some mighty pretty bedspreads {NS} But a counterpane is heavier than a bedspread {X} And much nicer Made outta special {X} Interviewer: I see talking about beds have you ever seen uh something kind of like a pillow but longer than a 472: A bolster You got a bolster I slept on one year before last Bolster Interviewer: So they're not just used for looks but you can actually 472: Uh no I can actually Three can sleep on one or I have head for three Interviewer: Really? 472: Whether yeah whether each lean across the bed big bed Interviewer: Yes 472: Three could sleep on there Interviewer: I see hmm have you ever uh been at somebody's house maybe you're spending the night and they fix the place for you 472: Yeah Just got a pad out {NW} Add it to there I've slept on a bench Interviewer: What were those things made out of ? 472: Pretty heavy quilts mostly what they put down makes the makes floor Interviewer: I see say around here do y'all have any kind of uh flat low lying land along the river that's real good land for growing things 472: That's called uh Dark rich land It would be uh really rich Uh but because of leaves And the mud Mixing and settling Just out in that field It accumulates {NS} Uh like in the ground And makes rich dirt It's all rich dirt Interviewer: I see have you ever heard people call really good soil anything special uh maybe like gumbo or buckshot or something like that 472: No I never have {NS} Basically I say a special ground say that's specially rich dirt or {NS} It's just a better piece of land here than it is over there Interviewer: {NW} I see 472: Yeah Interviewer: With what about sandy soil would that be good or bad? 472: Uh it's good {NS} But it's Always some thing that you can raise in sandy land And but you'd have to have sandy land some things are raised better in sandy land than over in the rich land Some of the vegetables Interviewer: Yes 472: Uh yeah {NS} And uh {X} For peas And they'll they'll raise most anywhere you put them And you better not make them too rich Because they go mostly to vines sometime But a certain time you plant 'em and they'll all grow to vines you won't get no peas Just be vine that time of the moon Interviewer: Yes sir 472: But if you plant them peas in the sandy land in time well You gonna You lay them out And sandy land's easier Till there's some land Sandy land that won't grow anything hardly but you Lot of it's uh Heavy heavy {X} Do the work Interviewer: I see 472: Yeah Interviewer: Do you have any kind of land around here that you'd call bottom land or 472: Yeah we have Sure have Down next to this pond is bottom land And uh The oldest land Is practically bottom land It's all rich and good Interviewer: Mm-hmm 472: Uh my father tells me that there wasn't but one or two houses here in Bay Minette Uh three anyway Uh mostly when they were here to set up And he said this all was just about farms {NS} And they hauled this dirt in and built up this place Interviewer: Yes 472: Made it what it is Interviewer: I see 472: Built the town Interviewer: You know talking about a land that's really grassy land have you ever heard people around here use the word meadow to describe that 472: Mm no No I don't believe I have Interviewer: What would you what would you call a piece of land like that that just has a lot of grass or a lot of clovers something like that on it 472: Well I'd just call it a Grassy piece of land Uh That's what it'd be just a grassy piece of land Interviewer: Alright you know if you if you had a piece of land that has water on it and you wanted to drain it off what would you have to dig to take off the water 472: Well you'll have to ditch it What they call ditch it Or There is I have known some to uh Bore down with a big In the middle of the pond And drop some dynamite in there Interviewer: That'll take care of it 472: And then That takes care of the water If it comes down it goes in that hole it goes back in the earth see And that'll take care of a pretty good size pond Interviewer: Yes sir 472: But not a real big one I reckon But will work on a medium pond You don't have to dig Interviewer: I see 472: Had your good soil right up to that hole Interviewer: Have you ever heard a place in the land called a ravine 472: Ravine Interviewer: Yes 472: No Oh Interviewer: Just like a washed out place or something like that 472: That's always called a gully to my Interviewer: Gully 472: My mind it's called gullies And uh {NS} I've heard them talk about veins Of water veins of oil in there Interviewer: Yes sir 472: {NW} That's as near to the vein of the earth as I know Interviewer: I see I see do uh you were talking the other day about being wanting to be baptized in a creek do the creeks around here have names? 472: Oh yeah Yeah Bay Minette Creek {X} Creek Uh Moss Creek And uh Well there's lots of Creeks got names Probably some of them I really don't know the name I know know some creeks to have {NW} Two or three names on the one creek Interviewer: Oh really 472: Uh-huh Or I Interviewer: Mean different parts of it 472: Yeah That's right Uh I know one up there in Stockton it's called uh Uh Atkins Lake It's a creek Call it Atkins Lake And uh Let me see it's called uh Up there on the Highway I believe it's called flat creek Flat creek I tell you Atkins Lake is called Atkins Creek now Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah Interviewer: I see it' according to where it is 472: Yeah That's right Interviewer: Have you ever seen one of the well not a hill when something gets much much larger than a hill you call that 472: A mountain Young mountains {NS} And there's you know what {NS} We have one between here and Stockton Interviewer: Got a mountain 472: It's just it's the next thing to one yeah it's high as a pine tree Interviewer: Hmm 472: And those boys Takes their motors the uh motorcycles out there Go up that thing Oh they got they just tore up one side of it Interviewer: Really 472: Oh yeah Climbing that thing You can get on top of it see {X} Interviewer: Is that right? 472: Yeah it's high Interviewer: Does it have a name or 472: Uh no it's just called a high hill Out in the country High hill I never knew it was there until the year before last And I was raised around Stockton all my life Interviewer: Is that right 472: Never did get back in that part of the woods Interviewer: Huh 472: Yeah That's right That's something Interviewer: Sure is have you ever uh heard people say talking about a mountain you know that rocky side that drops off real sharp you'd say he was looking over the 472: Over the cliff Interviewer: And if a mountain has a lot of them you say a mountain has a lot of real steep 472: Cliffs Interviewer: Oh talking about mountains have you ever seen a place in the mountains where the water will drop a long distance? 472: Called a waterfalls Uh no I haven't got to see that but I saw waterfall in another place Interviewer: They're pretty aren't they 472: They are {X} Uh I go over to Bellingrath Garden every now and then we can just go over there Interviewer: Some people have been telling me about that I never have gone 472: You're missing You're missing all Interviewer: That's what they tell me 472: {NW} Interviewer: It's really pretty 472: Yes sir it is it is Marvel the whole thing Just to know that this lady Uh let me see what was her name But anyhow she's the She's originally uh Caused all of them to haul them big stones in there And fix it where the water comes over them And uh this just {X} He had a store close down that way And I'll bet I looked at it with my eyes it solidified Interviewer: Is it a big place 472: Yeah it's a big place I don't know how big the ground Someone {X} Interviewer: I guess they have a lot of visitors 472: Oh yeah All the parts in the world come over here See that Interviewer: Do they charge anything to get in 472: Mm let me see No No why it was free it was we went to it free But we go to free a lot of places where they do charge Interviewer: Oh I see 472: Yeah they let us for free Interviewer: I see 472: {X} And uh Interviewer: I hope I can get over there while I'm down here 472: But they have some things you know Uh {X} Buy or whatever you like to buy Interviewer: I see 472: The uh museums {X} Interviewer: I wanted to ask you about the road system here in Baldwin county do y'all have pretty good road systems? 472: Fine as far as I know Real good some spots Could stand a little Work you know Like a To correspond but I see the {X} A whole lot Redoing it here in Bay Minette making it so much nicer And uh we really appreciate that We think our roads are really bad when we hit them afterwards Interviewer: Yeah 472: After being on those nice roads Interviewer: Right 472: You hit the little spots you know And outside this rail road here back there But uh Interviewer: What uh what kind of surface does most do most of them have 472: Well it's a pretty fair surface And some places it'll give a way but I think the cause of that when you fill it in They put the wrong kind of dirt kind of a sand like Stuff that Give a way you know it didn't pack It wouldn't pack like the other And it don't actually fill any {NW} That'll cause the black top to burst {NW} That's one way {NW} And sometime they have We have tremendous stumps in the land That'll rot out {NS} And that'll cause a weak place in the earth and they build up up that But rivulets ink down in fact And that'll {X} On the bottom of the road too Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah on the bottom of the road too {NS} Interviewer: Say if you were driving along on the main road and you got out in the country and there was a little road going off the main road what would you call that little road? 472: Well we we'd say there's a little three trail road turning over there you take the Three trail road and it'll lead you right down to the man's house Uh right down to the field or something like that Interviewer: Why do you call it a three trail 472: It's just It's just a little narrow road And the reason it's called three trail Uh is caused from the uh {NS} Back lap Of Horse and wagon Interviewer: Oh 472: Yeah That's what that's what brought up the three trail road The horse walked in the middle and wheels made Interviewer: Right 472: A {NW} Uh that three Interviewer: Yeah three in all 472: Yeah Interviewer: I see 472: {X} {X} Interviewer: {NS} Have any roads people would call farmer's market roads or? 472: Yeah road leads to the market Yeah Such and such road leads to the market {NS} And Course we'd know the condition of the road most if we Uh go to market on it {X} Condition in We might say That road that rough road leads down to the market And watch that road down to the market it may be Something happened to it you know Interviewer: Right 472: We'd have to say that kind of road Because without that Just take the road to the market Interviewer: I see what do you call that place downtown alongside the street where people walk alongside the street that's the? 472: Trail I reckon it's called that Interviewer: Trail or side 472: Sidewalk Interviewer: {X} 472: Call it a sidewalk Interviewer: I see 472: And outside of the street Interviewer: Right 472: Sidewalk Interviewer: Let me ask you about this expression say if you were walking along downtown and uh you just happened to meet somebody you knew but you weren't looking for him you might say well I wasn't looking for old so and so I just happened to run 472: Run into him Yes {NW} Run into him or run up with him Interviewer: Right 472: Yes Interviewer: Or say if somebody's not walking away from you he's walking right 472: He's uh Coming straight Interviewer: Or towar- 472: Yeah he's coming straight to me Or he's going the other way just straight away Interviewer: Or you could say he's coming toward ya 472: Yeah Yeah that's right oh special word coming toward Yeah that Them them people's coming right toward you #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Right # 472: Yeah toward Interviewer: Or this expression say if a if a child has been given the same name that her mother has you say that the parents named the child 472: After her Interviewer: Right right did you name any of your children uh 472: Uh Yeah the the wife named one of them after me Lee Coraline {NS} That's my baby's name Interviewer: we were talking about dogs yesterday what what would you say to your dog if you wanted him to get after another do? 472: I'd tell him catch More likely It's called More likely you Tell him to catch him that's That's called that's be the name of that is the sic him Interviewer: Sic him 472: Yeah Interviewer: {NW} 472: Sic him yeah Interviewer: He'll get after him 472: Yeah Sic him sic him sic him {NS} And you know they learn that word {NS} Just as good as saying catch him Interviewer: Right {NW} 472: {NW} Interviewer: Talking about animals uh horses you know those things that people put on the bottom of their feet to protect 'em 472: Uh horseshoes yeah Interviewer: Have you ever played a game with those 472: No not really I've thrown them a little once or twice but never have played Interviewer: Yes 472: Game Interviewer: Around a post Or something like 472: See if I can ring them Without playing Interviewer: What do you what do you call that though when you do that 472: Uh Interviewer: {NW} Excuse me 472: Playing a game of horseshoe Interviewer: Horseshoe 472: Yeah Interviewer: Alright 472: Playing a game of horseshoe Interviewer: What's that what's that part of their foot that you put the horseshoe on 472: Hooves Interviewer: Are those all the same size or are they different 472: No you have to make the shoe to fit the animal You have to make the shoe to fit the animal Interviewer: I see and this expression if somebody couldn't stay on a horse you'd say he fell 472: Fell off Interviewer: That ever happen to you 472: Horse threw him No it never has Uh I've had him get in the middle of a big briar patch with me though #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Oh really # 472: Yes sir Interviewer: That could be interesting 472: And the one I rode I saw him throw a boar right Flat and in on the ground Interviewer: Oh 472: Stood right on its head I mean it Its heel was way up in the air and its head was down between his front legs Interviewer: Oh 472: Stood standing up there and he he had to come off they weren't Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 472: #2 Get on there # And he had to {X} He wouldn't get back on him Interviewer: Goodness 472: And I rode that horse And that thing got Bucking on me and went into a Big briar patch Higher than my head in briars I was And boy I really give him the works while I was in that briar patch When I turned him loose on that road again he went home {NW} Interviewer: Goodness {NS} When we were talking about hogs yesterday I meant to ask you if a farmer doesn't want his male hog to grow up to be a boar you say he'd do what to him 472: Circumcise him in other words {NS} Uh Trim him Interviewer: I see 472: Yeah Interviewer: Would he would he call it anything different it wouldn't be a boar then it'd be a 472: Uh a bar it'd be a bar Like a bar out there yeah Change it from a boar to a bar Interviewer: I see is there any difference uh like if you were going to slaughter a hog would you slaughter a boar 472: No You you wouldn't get along so well with that Interviewer: Why is that 472: Because they're strong They got a musk And uh It upsets them And the meat's no good it it You smelled 'em alright but it it the meat will taste like the smell Interviewer: Hmm 472: Like a boar Can't eat it {NS} Interviewer: So you got to trim him 472: Need to make a bar out of him so we can Yeah {NS} It's strange like that that's what you have to do {NS} Interviewer: That's interesting 472: Now you can take a bull And you can uh kill him and take you knife and cut them off real quick {X} Like a steer you know Interviewer: Yes sir I see hmm well talking about farm animals what would you call the place where chickens live on a farm? 472: That's called a chicken house a fowl house And either one it'll go either one Fowl house or chicken house Interviewer: Is there anything that chickens live in that you call a coop 472: Could call it a coop yeah. Uh-huh Some people call it a chicken box but the right name is chicken coop. Yeah. Interviewer: I see yeah. what about uh the chicken that's sitting on a nest of eggs trying to hatch something what would you call it 472: Well you'd call it hen set. So many eggs you know. #1 Hen sets on # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 472: So many eggs. Interviewer: She'd be a set 472: She'd be a set hen Interviewer: Set hen 472: Call it a setting hen Interviewer: You know talking about a chicken when a woman fries chicken there's usually a piece that children like to get someone can grab hold of one end and one on the other 472: Yeah. {NW} That's called a pully-bone. Yeah. Interviewer: You ever do that? 472: Uh yeah some of them take it and put their piece over one door and {X} and the other know where they are and whoever walks under it is a boyfriend or a girlfriend. Interviewer: Hmm 472: That's the one you're going to marry they claim Interviewer: #1 Oh # 472: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: That's the way it works 472: Yeah that's what that's all about. Interviewer: I see 472: In other words the main thing about it when you pull this pully-bone apart. These pully-bones {NW} one or the other is going to get the biggest piece because it's going to break off a little on side or the other and the one that gets the uh biggest piece I believe is the one that's going to marry first. Interviewer: Right 472: I think is the way it goes. Interviewer: {NW} 472: And so when you pull them that's that's what you got in mind. Interviewer: Right I see 472: And it works I mean the Bones uh break one side one's bigger than the other Interviewer: Right 472: And they claim that that's what that's for Interviewer: Right let me ask you about this expression say if you're on a farm and you hear animals start carrying on they get hungry well I didn't know it was so late it's right on the 472: Yeah yeah those cows blowing out they are getting hungry. I have to feed them or {NS} better get to do something about it see Interviewer: What time do you call that you'd say it's just about 472: Oh it's about {NS} well say five o clock Interviewer: That's feeding time? 472: Yeah five o clock or maybe six o clock. Five thirty go out and feed the. Interviewer: Is that what they were called at uh feeding time? 472: Yeah they'd call it uh feeding time yeah. Interviewer: {X} Say if you were riding on a horse and you wanted to get him started what would you say to him. 472: You have to {NW} {NW} Interviewer: That'd get her going 472: That'd get him going Interviewer: Uh-huh 472: You know what's coming Interviewer: Sure 472: Pull up on your bridle Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah Interviewer: What if you wanted to get him to stop 472: You'd have to holler that word whoa pull your bridles. And it'd stop. Interviewer: I see yeah well if you were if you were plowing with a horse you know those things that you hold in your hand to guide him with what do you call those 472: Lines. Interviewer: Those are lines 472: Yeah. Interviewer: Would it be what if you were just riding on a horse? 472: That'd be a bridle. Bridle. Bridle reins. Interviewer: Reins 472: Yeah reins that's right Interviewer: I see yeah. well if you've got to go somewhere and you've got to get your horse ready y- you know put on the bridle and saddle and all that you'd say you have to do what? 472: Have to saddle up the horse. Go get uh I'd say go get the horse put the bridle on him bring him on in I'll put the saddle on him Interviewer: Right I see uh. You ever heard people uh use the expression uh harness him up? 472: Put the harness on him or hitch him to the wagon or the buggy whatever. To the plow work either way. {X} Interviewer: I see 472: Harness him. Harness him. Interviewer: Yes sir and when you're riding a horse those things that you put your feet in those are the 472: We call we stirrups. Saddle stirrups. Interviewer: I see I see Now if you've got two horses hitched to a wagon the one that's uh on the right you call him anything in particular? 472: Uh well you name your animals more than likely. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 472: Uh you might call him Brigham or uh Frank or. It may be a female you'd call it Molly. She's Molly. Get over there Molly. Step up a little bit uh. {X} Or something like that you know. Interviewer: I see 472: Keep them keep them in line. {X} One don't drag back let the other take the whole load Interviewer: Right you ever heard one called a lead horse 472: Yeah that's a spike team Interviewer: It's a what 472: Called a spike team Interviewer: What is that 472: A lead horse I'm talking about now where they hitch Two hitched to a wagon. And one at the front. Interviewer: Yes sir 472: Well that's called a spike team. Interviewer: That's two horses 472: Three horses. Interviewer: Three horses oh I see and the one in front's the lead horse. 472: Yeah Yeah that that would be the lead horse. Interviewer: Mm-hmm I wonder why they call it a spike team 472: {NS} Well it's because it's that {X} Interviewer: I see yeah that's interesting I want to ask you about uh the names for a few parts of the body like this part right here 472: It's called your forehead. Interviewer: Forehead and uh sometimes when men let their hair grow out on their face you say they're growing a 472: Whiskers yeah that's the proper name. Interviewer: Anything besides that he's growing himself a 472: Mustache and a whiskers. {NW} Interviewer: What about a beard? 472: Yeah you might call it a beard. Interviewer: Hmm what do you think about that do you men who wear beards 472: {NS} Well all right you asked me for the truth and I'm going to come up with the truth. Interviewer: All right. 472: Well it'd be all right for him to do this now we'll have to draw it back from the Bible. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 472: It'd be all right for him to wear his hair long. And I don't know about your I think- It's it's not too nice to wear a beard. But this {NS} This style is come from uh bad people such as hippies. And they got another name but I can't call them that. Interviewer: What for those people 472: Yeah the hippies {NS} There's another name I've come across for them I've forgotten what they called that But {NW} They they They all joined up {X} And the hippy. The word hippy means disobedient to me. {NS} I mean they uh mean people. People they do mean and do they got on this dope and that just doubles it. And it makes me disgusted to see anybody wearing this hippy. I- I- I'm like this now but them I'm like I am by. Woman and a man. I don't know a he from a she. Interviewer: {NW} 472: A lady all right. And I don't whether he's a real hippy or just got the style. Now I know some sweet people wearing their hair long and beard and all that. They're real nice folks but why they want to copy cat I call it all the meanness. People who copy that style come from is bad and I wouldn't want to do that for my body. I want my body to keep more clean than that. And some of they tell me don't even wash their hair only once a week or something. Interviewer: Hmm 472: And they're sweaty and you can smell them. Interviewer: Bet you could 472: You can I've known many there and you can smell them and uh some of them takes care of. And some of the boys he just loves that hair like a woman loves her hair and they really trim it good. See but the word of God Says shame for a man to wear long hair. and it's wrong for a woman to cut her hair Sometimes I want to preach to my church. Interviewer: Is that right 472: And I might do it one of these days. Interviewer: {NW} Got some people in there like that 472: Yeah {NS} Yeah uh women cutting their hair. {X} Cuts her hair. Man what a fine one with long hair boy I really I really praise. {X} I really do. Interviewer: It'd be pretty 472: Yes sir I think that Wow {NS} Why it makes it so pretty with me is because the Bible says that is her clothes. And it is. {NS} Interviewer: We were talking about parts of the body uh this right here you just call that 472: Ear Interviewer: Which one would that b 472: Right ear or left ear. Interviewer: Okay and this is the back of my 472: Head neck. Interviewer: Alright and you might get something stuck in your 472: Throat. Interviewer: Ever heard of this part right here that you see on some people go up and down 472: Like mine. Interviewer: Yes sir yeah I can see that 472: It's on top Little young ones coming around And they look at me under that I said put your finger on there. They put it on there and Worked it like that you know. {NW} That's a sight to them {NW} And I've heard the old folks say yeah you've got a big dumpling snatcher. Interviewer: Dumpling snatcher 472: {NW} That'd be good for that. Interviewer: Yeah that's interesting 472: Yeah. Interviewer: Have you ever heard it called anything else 472: Uh Joogle. Joogle. Why he's got a big joogle. Interviewer: Ever heard it called a goozle? 472: No joogle. Interviewer: Joogle 472: Joogle yeah {NS} Neck joogle Interviewer: Dumpling snatcher 472: Yeah Interviewer: What about this place all around your teeth you call that? 472: Gums. Interviewer: Uh-huh and this is my 472: Palm of my hand. Interviewer: What 472: Palm. #1 My # Interviewer: #2 Right # 472: Hand. Interviewer: Now you make a 472: Squeeze. Interviewer: Or you say you're going to make a 472: A fist out of Interviewer: Right and you got two 472: Two fists. Interviewer: Uh-huh what about uh you know when people some people they complain that they're getting sore in their? 472: Muscles. Interviewer: Or a place 472: {NS} In the crook of their arm. Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah Interviewer: Or their joints 472: Joint yeah. Interviewer: Do you ever have any trouble with that 472: Never have very much I have. In my right leg. A little bit in my knee. {NS} Interviewer: I see and the upper part of a man's body you call that his 472: Breast. Interviewer: And uh you say he has real broad 472: Shoulders. Interviewer: Okay what about do you know this part of your leg right here if you uh bump it against something? 472: Skin bone bone yeah. {NW} Boy that hurts. Interviewer: Just have to hobble around for a while 472: Yeah Interviewer: Say if a if a little boy wanted to scare you like he might have to get down behind a a couch so that you couldn't see him you say that he had to do what so you couldn't see him? 472: Squat down. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 472: {X} Interviewer: Would you say he had to squat down on his 472: Yeah head down yeah squat down on his hunkers. Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah. Interviewer: This part right here 472: Yeah. Interviewer: That'd be his hunkers 472: Yeah. Interviewer: Ever heard the people say he had to was going to he had to hunker down to something? 472: Yeah. He had to hunker down to something yeah I've heard that yeah. Interviewer: Means he just had to 472: Stoop down. Interviewer: Okay 472: Yeah. Interviewer: I see 472: Get low. Interviewer: Right {NS} let me ask you about this expression say if a person has been sick but he's he's gotten a little better somebody might say well old so and so is uh up and around but he still looks a little bit 472: Puny he looks thin. Uh he looks pale. Interviewer: Right ever heard them say peaked? 472: Yeah peaked Interviewer: Yeah 472: Yeah little peaked. Interviewer: I see 472: I've heard them uh I've s- I heard that mostly whenever they'd begin to be sick. Interviewer: Hmm 472: They would their looks would fail would fade. Um that person over yonder still looks peaked. Looks so pale. Interviewer: Hmm 472: Pale or peaked and that's before he even talked I mean. Interviewer: I see 472: And then you can say that after they recover now. Interviewer: Right right 472: And still peaked or pale. Interviewer: Right say a man that's able to lift real heavy weights you say he sure is mighty 472: Strong yeah. Interviewer: Ever heard people use the word stout there he's might stout person 472: Yeah that's a that's a that's a word too stout and strong. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 472: Combine the same for me mean the same. Interviewer: Same thing 472: Yeah Interviewer: I see what about somebody who always goes around he's got a smile on his face something nice to say about people you say he sure is mighty 472: Pleasant {NS} Interviewer: Yeah nice to know people like that 472: Yeah and they just wear a smile all the time. That's the way that wife that I used to have Interviewer: She was like that? 472: You'd know her by her smile she wore. Interviewer: You know young boys when they're growing up sometimes they'll get to where they just run into things and knock things over and trip over the own feet you say oh so and so sure is mighty 472: Clumsy. Interviewer: Yeah did you ever know people like that? {NS} 472: Yeah. Interviewer: Let me ask you this um a person who just keeps on doing things that don't make any sense you say oh so and so he's just 472: He's crazy or something you know yeah Uh {NS} He's absent minded or crazy {NS} Interviewer: You ever heard people use kind of a strong word if they're talking about somebody like that they'd say old so and so he's just a plain 472: No no Well they'd call him different names Just a Just an old slouch or an old don't care or hypocrite or {NS} something like that. Interviewer: What about the word fool have you ever heard people use? 472: Yeah yeah you're just an old fool you know. But I learned in the Bible is coming against oh woe unto the man who calls his brothers a fool. Mercy calling your brother a fool is just. That's the reason why I never come out with that at that time I guess cause. Interviewer: That'd be a strong name 472: Yeah I don't never come up with nothing like that that's just. {X} Interviewer: Right true. 472: Yeah. Interviewer: Well what about a man who has a lot of money but he likes to hang onto it you'd say he's just an old 472: Yeah uh money lover uh craves money. A money shark that's his name just a money shark. Interviewer: Ever heard people call him a tight wad? 472: Yeah won't tie his money loose definitely {NS} a tight wad Interviewer: Say if I were to say this about a person old so and so is just as common as he can be what would what would you take that to mean 472: Well Interviewer: Said he was common 472: Yeah he's just as common and sweet as he can be. He's just as common and just. That is uh Right in your hand he he's not uh he's not no uh high strung person. He's just {X} And calm Interviewer: I see he's just average 472: Average {X} And calm Interviewer: I see 472: Nice person Interviewer: Right 472: {X} Interviewer: What about a person that's maybe in their nineties but they can still do for themselves like cook and get around pretty well you might say well I don't care how old he is he's still mighty 472: Mighty active. Interviewer: I see 472: Yeah. Interviewer: I see ever heard people say spry 472: Yea that's a word too spry and active. Interviewer: Mean about the same thing 472: The same thing. Interviewer: I see say if a person left a lot of money sitting around in plain sight and he didn't lock his door you'd say he sure is 472: Careless. Interviewer: Yeah 472: Leaving his money Interviewer: Yeah I see 472: Now I I just have another story about I see I don't see much of it now as I used to. Uh men would come around with a big pocket book in that seat pocket with a big chain on it or something you know. And we'd just say well that man's got a lot of money you'd think it was in that pocket book. But I don't see much more of that happening around this day and time. {NS} I sure would hope they cut it out Interviewer: #1 Is that right # 472: #2 {X} # They don't work so. Interviewer: Good idea 472: {NS} And I imagine they would most of them and I saw did have money in there. Interviewer: Right 472: If I was a criminal or a Wanting some money I'd just as soon take him to anybody else. Interviewer: Right 472: Get that money. Interviewer: Yeah I see 472: That's why here comes the Bible again. Love of money is the roots of all evil. It's according to how you have the money. If I was a millionaire and didn't have it right I'll tell you I wouldn't be doing right. {X} I'd be in danger of hell. If I was a millionaire and had just the glory of God It's all right to be a millionaire. Interviewer: Yes sir 472: I believe it {NS} Interviewer: What about this expression say if I had an aunt named Lizzy 472: {NW} Interviewer: I might say well there's really nothing wrong with Aunt Lizzy it's just that every now and then she just acts kind of 472: Kind of foolish Or silly {NS} Silly she's just silly Interviewer: Could you say something like well she just every now and then she just acts kind of queer 472: Yeah you could say queer answer all right Interviewer: As far as you know has that word changed meanings Uh over the years does it mean anything different or does it just mean kind of strange or 472: Yeah it still means about the same thing Because she is the same person as As she was in other words she is uh It's her way she's she's got that kind of silly ways or {NW} She got sillyitis All that I'll tell you Mean the same thing I think Interviewer: I see okay what about a person who makes up his mind about something and just won't change it no matter what you say he sure is 472: He sure is sound and Firm on his belief and on his foundation I mean he's He I don't I don't believe don't believe {X} Could change him or something like that you know. Interviewer: What about if he's he's still like that but he's just dead wrong and he still won't change his mind say he sure is 472: {NS} Well now there it gives me a {X} Bible again all right. A person that's uh in the church and he's dead set we know he's wrong. Only thing he's doing something or had got something he's wrong about. {NS} And the church {NS} wants his clean church Jesus wants a clean church. Uh we take two or three witnesses with us and talk it over with him. Bring the church bring the church up or I If he still won't do then we have a right by the Bible to discard him. Because he's set in his ways and he won't never change. But we discard people like that. Or but they would have a chance if they repent and come back. We wouldn't just discard them forever unless he changed see He ha- {NW} The Bible says {X} and that'd be a backslide. I know it does. {NS} And so he may come back. We take him back we love him we still love him. His ways we don't love. Interviewer: You just say he's just mighty stubborn 472: Yeah he's stubborn. You just can't agree with his ways. You still love his soul. Interviewer: {NS} Have you ever known a person that uh You just couldn't joke with him because uh he'd get uh uh just the type of person you can't joke with without him losing his temper? 472: Yeah. Interviewer: Say he's just mighty 472: He's just mighty edgy he's He's got a wire edge We call it sometimes. That man's got a wired edge you can't even joke with him. Interviewer: Right 472: He gets mad at us. Interviewer: Right some people are just like that 472: Yeah they are can't reason or nothing Interviewer: Right say uh you know if you've been working all day you say at the end of the day I sure am 472: Tired I give out Interviewer: Give out 472: If I I learned something about that. It's best to say I'm real tired. And give out means to me just fall over. I saw one man in that shape. Interviewer: Really 472: He was give out {NS} But if I don't mind I'll say well I'm tired and give out that's wrong. Interviewer: Hmm 472: I should say I'm so real tired I'm on my way to To give out. Or something like not to say I am because I'm not until I fall. Interviewer: Or I ever heard people say well I'm just completely 472: Completely give out now that's wrong. Interviewer: What about uh worn out 472: Worn out. Well that that sounds pretty good. {NS} We get worn out at many many things. {X} Interviewer: So that would be okay? 472: Yeah. Interviewer: But give out you just 472: Give out is fall out I call it fall out. {NW} Interviewer: Right I see yeah say if you hear that somebody is in the hospital and you didn't know about you might say well uh that's news when was it he 472: Yeah I'd want to know then uh about when he went in or when he. {NS} What's his trouble. {NS} How come him there or certain like that or I'm surprised wonder what his trouble is. Interviewer: You might say well he was looking fine yesterday when was it he 472: Yeah how long has it been when did you say he went in then? Something like that. Hope he's alright just. Interviewer: When did he get sick or take sick something like 472: Yeah. Interviewer: That 472: Or he must have got sick overnight or something you know. Interviewer: Hmm I see yeah Or if somebody has been working out in the hot sun. and then they come in to an air conditioned room they get chills and their eyes start to uh 472: drop more Interviewer: Right their nose starts running 472: Yeah. Interviewer: So it looks like he 472: Is catching a cold {NS} More or less he'll be through Interviewer: Right 472: Yeah. Interviewer: And if it affects your voice you say you're a little bit 472: Hoarse Interviewer: Right that ever happen to you 472: Yes sir. Interviewer: Or if you do that you got a little 472: Little cold Interviewer: Or you had to 472: {NW} Got uh I got to strangling or something like that Interviewer: Got a little hacking uh 472: A hacking cough yeah Interviewer: Uh-huh 472: {C: train whistle} Well you know some people with disease such as TB or {NS} Lung trouble have hacking. {NS} Hacking cough {NS} We'd believe he's got something because he's got a hacking cough {NS} Interviewer: Yeah our friend the train's coming by 472: Yeah {NS} Interviewer: Or talking about bed you say uh you might say toward the end of the day well I think I'll go to bed I'm feeling a little bit 472: Little bit sleepy. Interviewer: Right 472: Or I don't feel good. Go lie down a while. Interviewer: Right or talking about somebody who has trouble hearing you say old so and so is just about stone 472: Just about stone deaf. Interviewer: You don't have any trouble with your hearing do you 472: No sir I've got good hearing and pretty bad eyesight. Interviewer: You do 472: Now I can take these glasses off {NS} Things look kind of loose mostly a little just a little bit dim. {NS} When I do like that looks like I step in a new world. Interviewer: Right {NS} say if a man has been working hard out in the hot sun he might come in and take off his shirt and wring it out and say well look how I 472: Sweating or sweat There's a it's got a new name now Interviewer: What's that? 472: Perspiration. Interviewer: Oh 472: {NW} Interviewer: Yeah. 472: Yeah. Interviewer: That's supposed to be more polite 472: It is more polite Interviewer: You ever seen people get in these places on their on their arms these big old lumps they got a core in them 472: It's called a lesion Or a {X} {NS} Or {NS} {X} {NS}