Interviewer:  Okay. What uh do you ever see these little things uh growing wild around here they'll come up in your yard? They'll look like a little umbrella? It's got a
472:  Mushrooms. Mushrooms.
Interviewer:  Uh so- some people eat those things don't they?
472:  Yeah Yeah {X} certain kinds that you eat. And certain kind you don't eat. But I don't really know I don't think you eat the kind that's brown under the bottom. Some of 'em just brown on the bottom and uh not very brown on top you know and some of 'em's real brown all over.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  And then some of 'em real white. I don't know which it is I think it's the white one's you eat.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. I see. You ever heard of people call 'em toadstools?
472:  Yep. Sure have.
Interviewer:  What about uh is that what the way they say it? That's a
472:  A frogstool.
Interviewer:  Frogstool {X} Do y'all have uh birds around here that make this hooting noise that they can see in the dark?
472:  Now that's a screech owl. Yeah screech owl. {X}
Interviewer:  Are those the little ones? The screech owls?
472:  The screech owl yeah. Uh the hooting owls they are big swamp owls. Yeah. He makes the big old noise that
Interviewer:  I see. What about that bird that goes around drilling holes in trees?
472:  That's what they call a woodpecker. Or woodchucks. {X}
Interviewer:  Called
472:  #1 Wood- #
Interviewer:  #2 what? #
472:  chucks. Or woodpeckers.
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Um
472:  We have different kinds of them. We have the whitewing and uh redhead. And we have a big black one with a red head. And we have uh two kinds of speckled one. We got one speckled one the redhead and we have a speckled one all over. Little fellow.
Interviewer:  I see. What about this animal that's got a white stripe down its back and he smells bad?
472:  That's a city cat.
Interviewer:  Oh.
472:  Uh ah there's a city cat and a pole cat. And uh the city cat'll out stink the pole cat.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Because a city cat has {X} they say.
Interviewer:  Really?
472:  But the pole cat don't have such a {X}
Interviewer:  Oh really?
472:  Not not pleasant at all but
Interviewer:  But they're different? How?
472:  They different yes sir. And we have a our and our pole cats are white tops on the head white head. Or whitecap. And a city cat's got stripes. Got stripes.
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  Yeah. You oughta see it the old mother and a bunch of 'em going through the woods.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Little ones are following her?
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  I saw that and that's a pretty sight nothing like that I'm telling you.
Interviewer:  How many little ones do they usually have?
472:  Uh three and four and five. I saw that going through the woods.
Interviewer:  What about what what kind of animals would be bad about breaking into hen roost and killing your chickens?
472:  That's possums. And minks. Possums and minks. Minks might worse thing of course he can get through such a little hole.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What woul- what would you call just a general name for those kind of animals? You might say well I'm gonna get my shotgun and take care of those
472:  Uh well it they {X} got different names I wouldn't know. Wait you talking
Interviewer:  Could you could you say something like uh I'm gonna take care of those varmints?
472:  Yeah varmints yeah somethi- yeah yeah that's the name for all of 'em. Varmints.
Interviewer:  I see yeah.
472:  {D: Yeah}
Interviewer:  You were telling me about squirrels yesterday do y'all have a a little animal that kinda looks like a squirrel but it doesn't climb trees? It doesn't have that big bushy tail?
472:  Oh that's I believe you talking about flying squirrels. They're squirrel but they're flying squirrels. And uh way they fly they climb a tree to the top and jump out. And spread the the skin spreads under the belly
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  And it'll hold 'em up, they don't hit the grounds hard but they won't hit the ground they'll try to hit the bottom of another tree. They real
Interviewer:  They're just gliding through the air?
472:  Glide through the air that's right.
Interviewer:  {X} I see.
472:  It wouldn't hold 'em up to go this way level. But it it'll hold 'em enough to let it go from one tree to another.
Interviewer:  Yeah I see.
472:  They're made that way.
Interviewer:  {X} Do you know if you have uh chipmunks or ground squirrels something like that?
472:  We do. Uh ground squirrels. Oh wait now. No we have what they call groundhogs. But uh the chipmunks {X} I don't know about the chipmunk but I think they have some of 'em in in the country.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
472:  But I know we got the a uh groundhog.
Interviewer:  I see. Did you you know after that big rain we had yesterday, did you hear any uh frogs making a racket?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What kind would those be?
472:  Uh I call 'em rain frogs. They don't know when to get satisfied.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  The more rain the more they holler.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Now in that pond we have a lot of 'em down in the pond.
Interviewer:  Are those the little ones?
472:  Yeah little bitty fellows.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Well what what what's that gray what's the big one that makes that deep
472:  That's bullfrogs. Makes that old bellowing kind yeah. The kind that you eat.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You ever had any frog legs?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I never have.
472:  I've tried 'em they eat pretty good. Seems like fried chicken. Which I've never eaten anyway just if you try
Interviewer:  Do you have a a frog that stays around land mostly? Uh around your garden doesn't go in the water much?
472:  That's what they call toads. Uh they live on the ground. Toad frogs.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
472:  Mostly.
Interviewer:  what about these animals that have a hard shell and they pull in their head and leg you know?
472:  Turtles. Gophers.
Interviewer:  What's that?
472:  A turtle and a gopher is different you know they're both hollow And then they got these old uh what they call these things? Coming out some mu- mud snaps A- and they they haven't got a hard shell too I think Uh can't call the name of 'em now. But they {D: put away} all over the whole world. {X} You know they just
Interviewer:  But a gopher stays on the ground?
472:  Oh usually they stay in the hole he dig him a hole. Put your dens in the ground.
Interviewer:  {X}
472:  And the turtle he just {X} you know
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  I
472:  #1 But #
Interviewer:  #2 see. #
472:  he will uh now these these box shell turtles they will go in a wet place and sink themselves.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  I've seen 'em do that. Out on the high wall I guess. They do better there.
Interviewer:  Oh I see {D: the shell.} What about you know talking about seafood these things that uh are in a shell some people talk about eating 'em on the half-shell. Say pearls grow in 'em you know? They call 'em uh
472:  Wouldn't be crabs would it?
Interviewer:  Well no these things are uh you can fry 'em or you can eat 'em raw uh uh oys-
472:  Oy- like oysters?
Interviewer:  Yes.
472:  Oysters? Yeah. Uh you said something about shelling 'em. Uh I thinking you was meaning some kinda uh water uh food that you could eat partly in the shell and just take 'em partly out.
Interviewer:  Yes-
472:  No but an oyster you take 'em all the way.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  I like them.
Interviewer:  Do you like these little uh little old fantailed ones animals that uh you find in the ocean too? Some people like 'em some kinda cocktail or shrimp?
472:  Oh they've got these uh shrimp. And then there's crab. These shrimps are got little old fantail but uh they grow to be about that long I reckon. Well about that a way some of 'em.
Interviewer:  Oh that's pretty big
472:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 pretty good # size there.
472:  Yeah I've saw very {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well do you have these things that uh you find in the freshwater creeks they look like little lobsters they've got claws? Uh some people use 'em for bait and some people eat 'em?
472:  Oh that's crabs too.
Interviewer:  Well
472:  Freshwater crab.
Interviewer:  Freshw- you got freshwater crabs?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  {NW} Try those in creeks or
472:  Uh no they call it a no it's not the crabs uh freshwater I mean uh {X} used on trout line. Crawfish.
Interviewer:  Crawfish.
472:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. #
472:  Crawfish.
Interviewer:  I see. Yeah.
472:  Crawfish.
Interviewer:  {X} Talking about insects these things that you see sometimes hopping around in your yard? Some of 'em are green and some of 'em are black?
472:  Crickets?
Interviewer:  Crickets or the bigger ones those are
472:  {C: speaking to a squirrel out the window} What you looking for? Huh?
Interviewer:  Oh did you get a squirrel?
472:  She was looking in here. She went that way.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Or #
472:  I'm used to this light.
Interviewer:  Oh I see.
472:  I never have a light on unless it's not uh {X}
Interviewer:  Or insects like a grasshopp-
472:  Grasshopper?
Interviewer:  Can you use those for bait?
472:  Yeah. They make good brim bait. Grasshoppers do.
Interviewer:  What about uh what's the best kinda worm to use for bait?
472:  Wigglers. Uh these big old earthworms can't hardly be used. But the wiggler is better because he moves too much
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  {X} Earthworm don't.
Interviewer:  I see. Sometimes people use these little tiny fish for bait don't they?
472:  Little minnows? Yeah. You can buy your little minnows use 'em for bait. Had to catch white perch with 'em.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. I see. {NW} You know sometimes when you're cleaning out your house you'll this stuff'll gather in the corners of your ceiling and you'll have to get something to
472:  Yeah dust. Spiderweb.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Dust yeah.
Interviewer:  Are those spiderwebs like the same thing you'd find outside between two bushes or something like that? {NS}
472:  No. They're they're a little different from that. They are little round ball looking spiders. And you never see 'em outside hardly they're always in furniture or at the outside they up right up in under a place. Real dry. Dry place.
Interviewer:  I see. {X}
472:  Outhouse you have a lot of 'em in the outhouse if I don't keep spray it.
Interviewer:  {D: Uh-huh.} Right. Yeah. When you we were talking about trees yesterday I meant to ask you if y'all had any uh sycamores or magnolias around here?
472:  We got magnolias. Yeah beautiful magnolias. Uh and a few sycamores. A very few. {NW}
Interviewer:  I see. Have you ever heard of a a bush that grows around here called either a sumac or shoemake or
472:  Sumac yeah. Uh I hadn't saw no sumac in quite a while. Uh it may be some down there around the swamp They really like the swamp.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  Sumac.
Interviewer:  Do those have those red berries on 'em?
472:  They have berries yeah.
Interviewer:  They good for anything?
472:  No. Just bite for birds all the birds eat.
Interviewer:  I see yeah. Have you ever gotten into this vine that'll make your skin break out and itch?
472:  That's {X} I can take it and wrap it around my neck.
Interviewer:  It doesn't bother you?
472:  {NW} No. {NW} it was I was tending to the land you know the {X} Now I was pulling some down outta the trees there for the landing
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  And Ms Bryant saw me and she liked to had a fit. She said I can't even come by them things {X} if the wind blowing that towards me I'd get poisoned.
Interviewer:  Oh.
472:  And I just took 'em down that a way and put 'em all shoulder and around my arms.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
472:  she just like to had a fit.
Interviewer:  Goodness.
472:  Never even bothered me at all
Interviewer:  {NW} Is that anything like poison ivy or poison oak?
472:  Poison oak yeah. It's likened to that yeah. Or sumac. Now the sumac will poison me too. Find a sumac'll real- really get you.
Interviewer:  I see. What kind of berries do you have growing around here that you can eat?
472:  Well we have uh farkleberry.
Interviewer:  What?
472:  Farkleberry. Yew berry. And strawberries and uh blueberries. Several several kinds of berries.
Interviewer:  Aren't there any raspberries?
472:  And raspberries. {C: train whistle} Some people got them.
Interviewer:  I see yeah. What about you know this thing that uh has wheels on it you can put a baby in it and it'll lie down and you can
472:  Oh that's what they call a baby buggy.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  Well if you had one of those you might say well I think I'm gonna put the baby in it and go
472:  Yeah go shopping.
Interviewer:  Or I'm gonna the baby around.
472:  Yeah. Take a little jaunt or.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  {NW} push it around a while.
Interviewer:  Right. Right. Say a woman who is uh about to have a baby you say she's
472:  Pregnant.
Interviewer:  Can you remember a time when peo- people didn't say to use that word?
472:  Uh-huh or with child. With child. And you never you never heard people talk about it. But now the children are supposed to be {C: passing traffic} they was mighty careful who they talked with before. And now things are different. I'll tell you the truth. I run into some little girls little girls. Uh three and four years old. Said momma gonna have a baby. Momma uh such and such gonna have a baby.
Interviewer:  They said she was pregnant?
472:  Uh yeah they said no just say gonna have a baby.
Interviewer:  a baby?
472:  {X} But some of 'em says baby. {X} Have a baby.
Interviewer:  How about that. {NW}
472:  And they they look for that too you know. They find out how it's what it's all about. {NW} Television'll show 'em a lotta that.
Interviewer:  You don't think that's good or
472:  It's bad.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
472:  It's bad. Because as we said a while ago about the young people getting together too too much {C: train whistle blowing} lust of the flesh. Causes trouble. Sneaks in their little hearts and minds. What you teach a little child uh now he he ain't gon- he won't get it. To be right there. And it and nature gets born then you see. It'll go for it. And that's it.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Yeah. And then they'd never get in trouble because they'd get to find their way in they {X} here and there and there and throw themselves away. You know way back yonder they call it a uh when a woman we- went like that they called her a loose woman. {X} whore no good. And they little fellows is throwing themselves away every day. Beautiful girls on outta town. A lust of the flesh {X} and it's enti- enticement of the boy and of the {X} They gone. And they can't hardly quit.
Interviewer:  That's bad.
472:  Yes it is bad. Well that's what it leads up to.
Interviewer:  Say uh this expression if a boy has the same color hair as his father and the same color eyes and maybe his nose is shaped about the same you'd say that the boy
472:  Favors his father.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Would you say the same thing like if the boy inherited his father's bad habits?
472:  Yeah. You woul- you would say that he takes after the father.
Interviewer:  He takes after
472:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 the # father.
472:  Inherited {X}
Interviewer:  Right. Right. I see. Have you ever heard any kind of uh bad names or mean names that a person might use to refer to a a child that's born to an unmarried woman?
472:  Uh yeah let me see about that. Uh that's that's outta wedlock yeah. That's outta wedlock. Uh they call 'em bastards.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  But I don't think really that's what that's the Bible gives. I don't think. I ain't too sure I'll look that up and see about that. Be sure.
Interviewer:  Or illegitimate something like that?
472:  Yeah illegitimate uh {C: train whistle} uh bastard or
Interviewer:  I see okay. What about talking about families if uh if I have a brother and he has a son that son would be my
472:  How is that now?
Interviewer:  Well say if I have a brother
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  and he has a son his son would be my
472:  {NW} uh uh {C: train whistle} nephew.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. What about a child you know both his parents have died you say he's a
472:  Oh orphan. Orphan child. Orphan {D: with no} father nor mother.
Interviewer:  And the the adult who's appointed to look after it that would be his
472:  His relative
Interviewer:  Or his legal
472:  Uh legal sister or brother.
Interviewer:  Or guard-
472:  Or guardian.
Interviewer:  I see. Yeah. I wanna ask you about a few proper names you know like uh the name of uh the mother of Jesus in the Bible that was
472:  Mary.
Interviewer:  Do you remember what George Washington's wife was named?
472:  {NW} No I don't {X}
Interviewer:  Begins with an M? Uh Mar-
472:  Uh Martha? Oh let's see I saw that in Montgomery I believe.
Interviewer:  What's that?
472:  Uh I believe I saw her picture in Montgomery on the on the wall and I believe that man did call her name Martha. {X} Yeah I think that's where I saw it in Montgomery we we go up there every now and then you know. {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  What about uh a woman's name that begins with an N? Uh have you ever heard that song wait 'til the sun shines
472:  Don't believe I ever have. Uh no in in the Bible her her name started with {X}
Interviewer:  Or it could be Nelly?
472:  Nelly. Nelly or {X}
Interviewer:  Or what about uh a boy's name that begins with a B? Uh sometimes you call a male goat a
472:  Uh call him a uh Billy.
Interviewer:  Billy goat?
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  I see. Or in the Bible uh the first of the first {X} gospels was written by
472:  Uh Christ. {C: Train whistle} {X} Let me see.
Interviewer:  You got Mark
472:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 Luke #
472:  that's about Christ. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Mark Luke and John.
Interviewer:  And Ma-
472:  Matthew Mark Luke and John.
Interviewer:  Okay what about a a woman's name that begins with an S? Uh the wife of Abraham in the Bible? {X}
472:  Sarah. {NS}
Interviewer:  These come by pretty regular don't they? {NS}
472:  Yeah but not near as regular {X}
Interviewer:  {D: Does that have four inches?}
472:  Yeah. {X}
Interviewer:  Well you we were talking about uh Abraham's wife her name was
472:  Abraham.
Interviewer:  Uh
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh say if uh if I had uh if my father had a brother named William he would be my I'd call him
472:  Uncle.
Interviewer:  Or if we don't use his whole name I'd call him his name was William I'd call him
472:  Bill or something?
Interviewer:  Or Uncle
472:  Uncle William.
Interviewer:  Right okay.
472:  Uncle William
Interviewer:  #1 Sure. #
472:  #2 yeah. #
Interviewer:  And if I had one named John that would be my
472:  Uncle John.
Interviewer:  What would you call a a woman who teaches school? She would be a
472:  A schoolteacher.
Interviewer:  Ever heard any old-fashioned names for a woman who teaches?
472:  I don't believe I have.
Interviewer:  Like schoolmarm or school ma'am
472:  No I never have.
Interviewer:  You never heard that?
472:  No.
Interviewer:  Ha- have you ever heard of uh a man who's a preacher but he really wasn't trained to be a preacher? And he's not all that good at it. He he does something else for a living then kinda preaches on the side? What would you have you ever heard people call him anything in particular?
472:  {NW} no I don't believe I have. Uh there's there's a lot to be thought about that. Uh I've heard {D: holiness} talk about that he was a God sent man. Said all I know is the Bible is what God's given And then you they work outside well he's never been called uh I think a person that's been taught to preach is not altogether a uh he's he he's that he's he more or less he he don't need to be taught to preach. He just needs to be taught how to handle the word. Uh I uh a preacher by the letter I don't think he's no good. But a preacher's just been taught how to handle things and not taught taught the Bible by the letter he's alright.
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  I sent you that little book I give you.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Now buddy that little book is is it And well they share the same one let me tell you they've made just alike. And then that book right there is it. This here little book right here is it. Uh inspired. He inspired. These books have been inspired. Right. And the Bible back's 'em up. You find something like that you got it. I mean {X}
Interviewer:  I was just wondering if if you've ever heard people use the expression well he's just a jackleg uh #1 preacher. #
472:  #2 Yeah. # Just a jack- he's just a jackleg of a preacher yeah. Yes uh just like reading your Bible some of 'em reads the Bible because they can read it. Some of 'em read it for an argument. Some of 'em read it just to boast on because I read my Bible through so many times and everything But get it all they don't really like it. They don't put up the life see? It's the life that counts. And uh you may read to him the old saying is you turn {X} if you don't live the life well it's no good.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  Well if this preacher preaches and you don't put up your life I don't want him I don't like him. I mean he's no good all way. H- he he you get good out of it but he ain't no good {X} if he can't put up the life.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Yeah. And I've known 'em to take the Bible under the arm get on the highway and thumb a ride And heard of 'em putting the pistol in the man's side and taking his car. {NW} Alright.
Interviewer:  Goodness.
472:  Alright. Well you can use the Bible in many ways to g- oh I'm sorry.
Interviewer:  That's
472:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 okay. #
472:  And {C: speech distortion} the Bible in many ways and and uh be an enemy in other words. To hide your meanness behind it. For the Bible really is called a {X} {X} {NS} {X}
Interviewer:  Can you have uh a jackleg anything else like a lawyer or a carpenter or
472:  Jackleg of a carpenter? Yeah I've heard of that a lot. Just a jackleg of a carpenter who he is and he ain't in other words he can do some but he can't do it all. Just a jackleg.
Interviewer:  Ever heard of a shadetree?
472:  Uh yeah Shady tree.
Interviewer:  Would that be who would what would a shade tree be a mechanic or
472:  Well I wouldn't know. Just like a
Interviewer:  But you have heard of that?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  Say uh in the Civil War you know Robert E. Lee? His rank in the army he was a you remember what he was? He was a pretty high up? uh
472:  Yeah he was always there he was uh a demander uh commander.
Interviewer:  A general?
472:  A general. Yeah. General commander yeah.
Interviewer:  Do you ever see this uh old gentleman who advertises Kentucky Fried Chicken wears the white suit and he's got a little white beard and mustache? You remember what his name was?
472:  {NW} No I I forgot about that I heared that the here a while back but I forgot it.
Interviewer:  You call him the Colonel?
472:  Colonel? Is that what that's what {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
472:  #2 {X} #
472:  The Colonel yeah. Well if Colonel's in war you know he's called colonel.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  What about the man who presides over the county court he's the
472:  The contender uh uh justice of peace or
Interviewer:  He's the {D: circuit}
472:  Circus court uh manager.
Interviewer:  Or the jud-
472:  Judge. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. And a person who goes to school to study he's a
472:  A citizen.
Interviewer:  Or a stu-
472:  A student. Citizen or student.
Interviewer:  And a woman who you know does typing and filing and takes care of the boss's mail she's a
472:  {NW} stenographer. Uh yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. What about a woman who uh who's on the stage uh you wouldn't call her an actor but she's an
472:  Uh let's see I ought to know that. {C: car horn} and not not an actor but uh {X} I forgot that.
Interviewer:  An actress?
472:  Actress.
Interviewer:  Is that what you would call her?
472:  I guess you would. I just don't know I I don't know that one.
Interviewer:  But uh
472:  What you would call her on the stage.
Interviewer:  Actress.
472:  Actor
Interviewer:  {D: What about}
472:  Yeah that's what you would call her an actor. I get it
Interviewer:  What about uh our nationality we're not Germans but we're both
472:  Oh we are well sorta like mixed-breed. {NW} We would be {NW}
Interviewer:  Well some- anybody who lives in the United States or who lives in America he's an A-
472:  He he's an American or a foreigner? Uh man from another country.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  I meant to ask you the other day when we were talking about uh white folks and colored people have you ever heard uh you know white people who were who don't have much money who's never had an opportunity to get much but who are just kind of don't wanna do anything about it they're just kinda lazy you know? Have you ever heard them called anything in particular?
472:  Uh just call 'em a a person of {D: du- uh} almost a do-nothing or just they just don't even look out for theirself and nobody else. In other words they I don't know what they'd call them.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  A lazy person I reckon.
Interviewer:  I just wondered if you'd heard anybody use uh {X} expression white trash?
472:  Oh yeah Yeah they'll that's been up here in the in the in the in our uh uh hospital.
Interviewer:  Well wha-
472:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Could you tell me about # that?
472:  Got up to trouble.
Interviewer:  How's that?
472:  {X} the black person
Interviewer:  {D: I see.}
472:  called a white man trash
Interviewer:  {X} What happened?
472:  The old man wasn't able that's all I seed.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  And that's what it's for {NS} that's what it's all about. Get up to it.
Interviewer:  {X}
472:  And I'm sure glad it didn't happen. {NS}
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Call him old white trash.
Interviewer:  Saw a black man do that?
472:  It was a woman.
Interviewer:  Oh.
472:  Yeah. {X}
Interviewer:  {X} You ever hear white people use that word?
472:  Uh not I've heard about holiness had been called this old holiness trash.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  People throw off on the churches you know? Call old holy church just old bunch of trash.
Interviewer:  Oh.
472:  Yeah I have But {NW} the {NW} lady that I heard talking about that she says I just told 'em well there's one good thing about it. He throw us overboard and we'll float.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Oh.
472:  {NW}
Interviewer:  That's funny.
472:  That trash floats you know what
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 she mean. # Well we was on top anyhow the holiness part.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  And holiness {X} God she had a point alright.
Interviewer:  Right. Yeah. Okay.
472:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay. Just for pronunciation would you mind saying the names of the months of the year for me?
472:  January February March April May June July August September October November and December
Interviewer:  Okay and the days of the week?
472:  Uh uh let's see we used to start on Monday but Sunday's really the first day. We'd have to say Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh the day of the month that the bill's are usually due that's usually the
472:  I ought to know as many as I pay but I never pay no attention to that part about it I just go pay 'em when I get 'em.
Interviewer:  Or it's just the
472:  They're due in c- at a certain time. Uh about the middle of the month I guess.
Interviewer:  #1 Or #
472:  #2 {X} # or {D: somes} due.
Interviewer:  Some some bills might come to you on the fi-
472:  On the first yeah. They would be.
Interviewer:  Okay.
472:  They most everyday most any day uh it's bills coming most anytime I guess but most of 'em comes on the middle of the month
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  or the first.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. And the day after the first you call that the
472:  Second.
Interviewer:  Okay and then the
472:  Third. Fourth. Fifth. Sixth. Seventh. Eighth. {X}
Interviewer:  And the last two you call 'em the after the eighth comes the
472:  Ninth. Tenth.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about uh again just for pronunciation would you count for me kinda slow from one to fourteen?
472:  One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Seven. Eight. Nine. Ten. Eleven. Twelve. Thirteen. Fourteen.
Interviewer:  Okay. And the number after nineteen that's
472:  Twenty.
Interviewer:  And the number after twenty-six?
472:  Twenty-seven.
Interviewer:  And after twenty-nine.
472:  Thirty.
Interviewer:  And after thirty-nine?
472:  Forty.
Interviewer:  And after sixty-nine.
472:  Seventy.
Interviewer:  And after ninety-nine?
472:  A hundred.
Interviewer:  And after nine hundred and ninety-nine you got one
472:  {NW} Nine hundred and ninety-nine {X} Uh uh a thousand.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  A thousand.
Interviewer:  And a big number ten times a hundred thousand is one mi-
472:  Million.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay just a few more things and we'll be through I wanna ask you about some names of some states and cities uh just for pronunciation. Like if you where in the biggest uh city in this country you would be in
472:  Let me see. I guess it'd be New Orleans
Interviewer:  Beg your pardon?
472:  New Orleans wouldn't it?
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright. I tell you what uh I'll name off some names of some states and cities and if you'd repeat 'em after me and tell me whether you've ever visited there or not. Okay? What about uh New York State?
472:  Never been there.
Interviewer:  Could you just repeat it after me?
472:  New York.
Interviewer:  Okay. And Maryland?
472:  Maryland.
Interviewer:  Uh Virginia.
472:  Virginia.
Interviewer:  Good. Say uh North Carolina?
472:  {NW} N- North Carolina no.
Interviewer:  Okay. South Carolina?
472:  No. {NW} South Carolina
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
472:  #2 no. #
Interviewer:  Uh Georgia.
472:  Georgia? No.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh Louisiana?
472:  Louisiana no. Never been.
Interviewer:  Been where?
472:  Never been there.
Interviewer:  To where?
472:  {NW} Louisiana.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh Kentucky?
472:  Kentucky no. Never been there.
Interviewer:  Tennessee.
472:  Tennessee never been there.
Interviewer:  Missouri?
472:  Missouri. Never been there. {X}
Interviewer:  Arkansas?
472:  Arkansas. Never been there but I've heard a lot about the Arkansas traveler.
Interviewer:  What's that?
472:  Uh it's this song about the Arkansas traveler.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  Uh-huh. They wrote this song about the Arkansas traveler.
Interviewer:  I see. {NW} Okay. Um Oklahoma?
472:  Oklahoma? Never been there but I've always wanted to go.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Why Oklahoma?
472:  Why Oklahoma? I never traveled.
Interviewer:  Uh Massachusetts?
472:  Massachusetts never been there.
Interviewer:  Those states up in the the northeastern part of the country you ever heard it called uh New England state?
472:  New England yeah. Never been there.
Interviewer:  Okay. And a few cities uh biggest city in Maryland uh Baltimore?
472:  Baltimore heard lots about it but never been there.
Interviewer:  {NW} Okay. What about the capital of this country?
472:  Capital of this country
Interviewer:  Washing-
472:  Washington {X} I've been to Washington.
Interviewer:  Oh have you?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 When #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  did you go?
472:  Oh yeah. Let's see I've been to Washington no I haven't either!
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
472:  #2 {NW} #
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  Okay.
472:  {NW} {X}
Interviewer:  What about St. Louis?
472:  St. Louis? I've never been there.
Interviewer:  Okay. In uh South Carolina you have i- Charleston?
472:  That's right. Charleston no I've never been there.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh
472:  {X} to go there but {X}
Interviewer:  I see. Big city in Alabama Birmingham?
472:  Yeah I've been to Birmingham.
Interviewer:  Have you?
472:  Uh Birmingham yeah I've been there.
Interviewer:  Pretty big uh fair sized city
472:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh big city in Illinois. Chicago?
472:  Chicago. Uh no I've never been there but I've heard a lot of talk about Chicago.
Interviewer:  Okay. In uh North Carolina Asheville?
472:  North Carolina Asheville? No. Never been there.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh a few big cities in Tennessee are Chattanooga?
472:  Chattanooga Tennessee never been there.
Interviewer:  Okay. Knoxville?
472:  Knoxville. Never been there.
Interviewer:  Okay Memphis?
472:  Memphis? Never been there.
Interviewer:  Nashville?
472:  Nashville never been there but I've always wanted to go I hear 'em talk about {X}
Interviewer:  {D: Yeah.} {NS} Country music?
472:  #1 No. #
Interviewer:  #2 That's # where they play all the
472:  #1 Country #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
472:  music yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
472:  Uh-huh. That's that's the reason I'd like to go but I haven't been.
Interviewer:  And a big city in Georgia Atlanta?
472:  Atlanta. Never have been there. Heard a lotta talk about Atlanta. {X}
Interviewer:  And a few other big cities in Georgia Savannah?
472:  Savannah? No. Never been there.
Interviewer:  Macon?
472:  Macon Georgia. Never been there.
Interviewer:  Columbus?
472:  Columbus never been there.
Interviewer:  But you have been to New Orleans?
472:  No I
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah? #
472:  #2 haven't. # I been close by but
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
472:  #2 I haven't been there # {NW} but we keep we keep talking about going. I ain't got there yet.
Interviewer:  Where did you go uh close by?
472:  Uh the other side of Mississippi {X} for edge of Mississippi.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  Uh
Interviewer:  Is it just across the line?
472:  We I don't know whether we quite got to the line or not but we went
Interviewer:  #1 Is it past #
472:  #2 way out. #
Interviewer:  {D: Ebula} or {X}
472:  Oh yeah we went way on over there we went on towards New Orleans way over there. That big curve {X} the big curve.
Interviewer:  Oh I see. And another big city in uh Louisiana Baton Rouge?
472:  Baton Rouge Louisiana. Heard a lot of that but I hadn't ever been there.
Interviewer:  Okay. And the city in Ohio Cincinnati?
472:  Never have been to Cin- -natti Cincinnati.
Interviewer:  Okay. And the city in Kentucky is Louisville?
472:  In Kentucky Louisville? No I've never been there. {NS}
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh what do you foreign countries if you were in uh Paris you would be in France?
472:  Uh I'd be in France if I was you know in other words
Interviewer:  Okay and the big Communist country. If you were in Moscow you'd be in Russia?
472:  Russia. Be in Russia.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh if you were in the city of Dublin you'd be in Ireland?
472:  Ireland. Yeah.
Interviewer:  You reckon it's just gonna drizzle all day?
472:  It's {NS} headed that way. {NW} {NW}
Interviewer:  Looks like it.
472:  Let's see what time it's getting to be.
Interviewer:  Oh it's about eleven-twenty.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Oh me.
472:  {X} about the time we're done with this
Interviewer:  That's right.
472:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
472:  about two oh clock.
Interviewer:  No we're done. We're through with uh one thing I was uh asking you about yesterday the the house that you grew up in you said it was uh basically a one room house that had a a kitchen joining it?
472:  Yeah. Yeah.
Interviewer:  You reckon you could make me just a little uh sketch of the floor plan just showing where that room was and how the kitchen was on next to it?
472:  I ain't no good at drawing.
Interviewer:  Oh well I'd do it if you just describe it to me.
472:  Alright it's just a one room building and it had
Interviewer:  Just like kind of a big square?
472:  Yeah big square. That's right.
Interviewer:  Okay. Something like this?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright.
472:  And then it had a a long room on the side.
Interviewer:  A long room on
472:  #1 About a #
Interviewer:  #2 the side? #
472:  eight ten foot room on the side.
Interviewer:  Okay.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What what room was this?
472:  And now then the kitchen was this here.
Interviewer:  The kitchen was on this end?
472:  And then we eat on a table in this end.
Interviewer:  And this was the kitchen.
472:  Yeah. {NS} {NS}
Interviewer:  Was this the dining room?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Is that what you call
472:  #1 {D: Back} #
Interviewer:  #2 it? #
472:  over here at this end for a reason.
Interviewer:  Dining room?
472:  Uh-huh. Must be called we called the dining room. {X}
Interviewer:  Okay.
472:  Alright and the floor in this building was old rough lumber. Rough lumber and there was cracks in it.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  {X} {X}
Interviewer:  Was this a big bedroom?
472:  Uh yeah. Yeah. And had a fireplace.
Interviewer:  {X} Okay.
472:  And uh it just had two bedrooms.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  Was there any kinda porch or anything like that to it?
472:  No there wasn't no porch {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. I see. Was that a a frame or a log building?
472:  Frame building.
Interviewer:  Frame building?
472:  Yeah. Frame building.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {X} You say you've been in uh this house how long?
472:  Six years.
Interviewer:  Six years?
472:  Yeah there about six years.
Interviewer:  I see. Okay. Alright. About how much time do you reckon you spent in that uh in that house?
472:  {NW} Let's see.
Interviewer:  Pretty long time?
472:  Yeah I guess we'd spent uh several years there. But I can't remember it too much.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  We stayed as I said daddy moved right smart you know? {NS} to be close to work.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. I see. {C: silence}