Interviewer:  So you say you were born just right across the county line then?
490:  In Gibson County
Interviewer:  #1 Yes #
490:  #2 yes # How bout twenty-five thirty miles in Milan.
Interviewer:  In Milan?
490:  Milan. It's uh
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah always #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  As a mat- that reminds me of yesterday I was looking at the uh the paper and there was some sorta ad there for a clothing store named Frankie's or something like that have you ever heard of that?
490:  In Milan? Uh-huh it's um casual.
Interviewer:  Casual.
490:  Mm casual clothes.
Interviewer:  Well it looked
490:  #1 Jeans and things. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: interesting} mm-hmm # And I thought I might
490:  Yeah and that that's in Gibson County.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Milan's the county seat.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. I can figure it was in the uh it was in the no The Martin Paper.
490:  Yeah
Interviewer:  I can't figure out whether it was in Martin or where whether {D: Milan} was the name of a street.
490:  #1 No {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Like what # {NW}
490:  #1 Damn. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # I had to get out my map
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 and check that out. # And you only you were only in Gibson County for about
490:  #1 ten days you said you were {D: born}? #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  My father was uh in World War Two and he was in England at the time and my mother was living with my grandparents
Interviewer:  #1 who #
490:  #2 Mm. # lived right up the street here. This was all my grandfather's farm.
Interviewer:  Oh.
490:  And my dad took that and and bought it from my grandfather and developed it into a subdivision. And then when Don and I when Don got out of the service then we came back to Dresden and built and been here ever since.
Interviewer:  So this was developed uh how long ago?
490:  Oh about ten twelve years ago I think but there were of course we- we're only been here about five years.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Five years this month matter of fact.
Interviewer:  I see so other than that very brief period you've been
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 you've been you were {D: newer} raised #
490:  #1 Right. #
Interviewer:  #2 for our greater purposes #
490:  #1 Right. Here. #
Interviewer:  #2 here in {X} county. #
490:  That's right. I've only lived when Don was in the service. That's the only time I've ever lived out of the county.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  When I- I went to school at Martin so.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  I've always been.
Interviewer:  What about what about your parents? Are they from this area?
490:  My mother's from Jackson. Which is Madison County. You know where that is? {X}
Interviewer:  That's Jackson. Jackson Tennessee.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And then my father of course was born here.
Interviewer:  Your father was born in Dresden?
490:  Uh-huh. Out in the country.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  A place called Dawson Story. {NW}
Interviewer:  Dawson.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Dawson Story. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Yeah {X}.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  But uh they moved. Then my grandparents moved to town and built this house up here at the end of the street in nineteen thirty-three.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And my grandfather just passed away this past February. He was eighty-seven.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  He would've been an interesting man for you to have
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah #
490:  #2 interviewed. #
Interviewer:  I know. I love to do the the uh the older
490:  I
Interviewer:  people.
490:  taped some of his tales and
Interviewer:  #1 Is that right? #
490:  #2 everything. # Uh we started doing it a couple three years ago and sorta make a tape library you know
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 cause he could # he had a tale for everything.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
490:  You know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  {X} he was really an interesting man but he woulda been eighty-seven. My grandmother passed away a couple years ago and she she woulda she was eighty-two when she died so. Had longevity. I hope that last.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah. {C: laughing} That's always encouraging
490:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  thing to to find if you investigate that sorta thing. Now that that grandfather. Is that your on your father
490:  #1 Yeah. uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 or is that? #
490:  My on my father's side.
Interviewer:  On your father's side.
490:  Mm-hmm. My mother's parents uh lived in Madison County. He was a big farmer in Madison county. And he was sixty-five years old when um {C: loud telephone ringing} {NS}
Interviewer:  So you say your grandfather on your mother's side was from
490:  #1 Uh-huh #
Interviewer:  #2 Madison County. #
490:  #1 and {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Was that Jack- uh #
490:  In Jackson.
Interviewer:  In Jackson.
490:  #1 Uh-huh #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  And she grew up in Jackson but then her parents died when she was was a teenager. She was thirteen when her mother died and fifteen when her father died. Her father was an elderly man. Like I said he was sixty-five when she was born.
Interviewer:  I- is this your grandmother or your mother?
490:  That's m- my mother's
Interviewer:  #1 {X} your mother's #
490:  #2 m- parents #
Interviewer:  I see okay. and so they were both from the same county.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Wh- what did you grandfather do for a living on your mother's side?
490:  On my mother's side he was a farmer.
Interviewer:  A farmer. Was she a house wife? Or what?
490:  My grandmother?
Interviewer:  Right. {X}
490:  Uh. She had been an old maid school teacher I think. #1 She didn't #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right? #
490:  marry until she was about forty-two or forty three and then um I hear the baby.
Interviewer:  {NW} go ahead.
490:  I'll get him and I'll be right.
Interviewer:  Oh hello.
490:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You're not # old enough to talk to me yet are ya? You're {D: very rude}. {NW}
490:  Nah he's just six months old Sunday. Now I got you some stuff to play with here.
Interviewer:  What's his name?
490:  Name is Benjamin.
Interviewer:  Benjamin.
490:  We call him Ben.
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  Don't I had uh two great-grandfathers on my mother's side named Benjamin.
Interviewer:  Is that #1 right? #
490:  #2 My # grandmother's maternal grandfather and her paternal grandfather were both named Benjamin. And so we liked the name so we pass it down. We're a family that names #1 so you keep the same names generation after generation. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} Mm-hmm #
490:  I was named for my grandmother so and we we have another son who's eight and he's named for his daddy.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And we've got juniors and {NW} threes and fours all through the #1 family. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. # And that was Polly Beth two words. {C: is this her name?}
490:  #1 Uh-huh #
Interviewer:  #2 Alright. Okay. # You don't you don't cause your mother much trouble do you?
490:  No sir say I am a fine fella.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  The only problem I have is ear infections. I've had to take him up to the doctor at least once a month to the pediatrician in Jackson for ear infections. #1 The doctor says #
Interviewer:  #2 Ah. #
490:  his tubes are so small that any time he gets any kind of drainage at all instead of draining like you know like it normally would then it settles in his tubes and causes infections.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that the first trouble that you've had? #
490:  #2 All kinds of problems. Mm-hmm. # But that started when he was two weeks old so we
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  It's really the only thing we've had but it's been a constant thing {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Yeah Yeah. #1 {D: We better keep going} #
490:  #2 {D: We better keep going} # He thank ya I'm about half asleep.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Which is alright. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Got hot back there.
Interviewer:  Well what do you know anything about uh your grandfather's education? How far he got in school. Or your mother's side?
490:  The one on my mother's side had a high school education.
Interviewer:  A high school education.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And what about his wife?
490:  Um. She had some college but I don't know how much higher education she had because I know that she was a school teacher. And she I assume that it was not like you know we have to go and get certificates and everything. I but I I don't know exactly how much. I don't think that she had graduated.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. Do you know where she went to school? #
490:  #2 from college. #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Went together} #
490:  #2 No I don't. # Uh. My all that's sorta hazy {D: because} {C: baby} Ben, cuz my my mother doesn't know a lot about it cuz she was so young
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
490:  #2 and all she knows is what # and all of her other family were elderly people. I mean of course her mother and father were older when she was born.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm #
490:  #2 And um # she had two other well she has a sister that lives down in Florida. But she had uh a brother and sister and both of them died of diphtheria when they were when she was not you know not even born then when that happened. So she had she doesn't really has not told me a lot about them I don't think she really knows a lot. #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  But th- her um her father had been married before and his wife had died in childbirth. And then he courted my grandmother and I have a lot of his letters and everything. He was an educated man you can tell by these #1 from his #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  his writing.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And um very interesting things. A lot she has a lot of his old deeds and everything like that. And uh he was um an interesting story that he used to tell her is when he w- in eighteen sixty-five when uh s- um Union soldiers marched through Madison County he was five years old. He was born in eighteen sixty. And um he said he hung on the gate
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 you know and watched the soldiers go by #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 it was an exciting thing to him. #
Interviewer:  I'll bet.
490:  But uh it's really miraculous to me that a man be that old you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Born eighteen sixty what would he be? A hundred and seventeen years old.
Interviewer:  Right.
490:  My grandfather. That's really you know. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Yeah I was uh I was suppo- I was gonna try to interview an old black man in {D: Dallasburg} who claimed he was a hundred and eight. I don't know whether he was or not but uh.
490:  I wouldn't doubt it. We've got a an old man in town that people say that he's over a hundred and he just moseys around.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  That's about all
490:  #1 Yeah {D: I know} {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: you can do} {C: laughing} #
490:  #1 But he's still up walking around and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} Uh-huh. # That is that is something. Well what about uh your your other grandparents on your father's side? Where were they from?
490:  They were from Dresden. Um.
Interviewer:  #1 Both of them? #
490:  #2 My- uh-huh. # My uh grandmother was sixteen when she married and my grandfather was twenty-one. And they had uh four children and I had uh two aunts and an uncle. And there were two boys and two girls in the family and my father is the um third child. And but um my one of my aunts is has passed away. She died three or four years ago. And they lived out north of town out here. And then when they um he always farmed but then when he moved up here he built a grocery store up here on Greenfield Highway. #1 This is your grandfather? #
Interviewer:  #2 And he ran uh-huh #
490:  and he ran a grocery store {C: baby noises} for years. {C: baby noises} And he was a horse trader and he built and horses and then did some farming and mostly rented out the land though after a while after {C: baby noises} oh. Oh when in his fifties and sixties I think he re- rented all his land on the other side of the highway. Here on back to the woods over there and then all the way to the Martin Highway was his. All this area here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  And he farmed it and {C: baby noises} cut timber off of it and ran a grocery store.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Any idea of how far along he got in school? {C: baby noises}
490:  Eighth grade I think. {C: baby noises} And so did my grandmother. My grandmother had eighth grade they had to they lived out in the country and the only school around here was at at Dresden at that time and that's about oh seven eight miles I guess. And he always said I always asked him why he didn't go to high school and he said well it wasn't worth it in the first place. #1 {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  It wasn't worth it he had to ride {NW} A- A- A- A w- a ride a mule I think he said or walk to school so he just decided
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  it was easier not to do it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Well he's got a point there.
490:  {NW} Well I don't know that anymore they {X} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Most of most of the older people I talked to you know uh Have about that uh that much education. You know you just went up to a certain point and then they had to go home
490:  #1 Mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  #2 you know and help out on the farm. # That was uh that w- that just happened to be how the priorities
490:  #1 W- Well that's true. #
Interviewer:  #2 were set up. # Well let's see was she uh was she a housewife you'd say
490:  #1 My grandmother? Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 or? Mm. #
490:  Raising babies mostly. {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} That is a job.
490:  Yes it is.
Interviewer:  And my mother had to raise three boys. Pity her.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # What your your parents let's see your uh. You say there were your was it your mother or your father who was from um Jackson?
490:  My mother.
Interviewer:  #1 Your mother was from Jackson. Right. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  And your father was from
490:  Dresden.
Interviewer:  Dawson's.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  That's my grandma and grand daddy lived out there. That's where my gran- my daddy was born out in Dawson Store.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh {C: baby noises}
490:  But then when that- he was born in nineteen twenty and uh they moved to Dresden when he was thirteen.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And they had new house up here and they were all proud of the new house and daddy stepped off the back porch and broke his leg and missed the whole eighth grade. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 {NW} # He wa- tha- that was the first day they moved into the house. He stepped off the back porch and broke his leg in two places.
Interviewer:  Gosh.
490:  Had hard luck. {NW}
Interviewer:  That reminds me of professor of mine who make who makes uh an annual trip to England right after school's out {C: laughing}. She you know one leg out of the out of the uh school house door
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: though were all ran for the plane} # But uh she had just gotten off the plane in London she fell and broke her leg.
490:  #1 Oh me #
Interviewer:  #2 that's kind of #
490:  #1 That's terrible. #
Interviewer:  #2 Terrible time of it. Mm-hmm. #
490:  #1 Hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Was uh # Let's see your father what what did he do f- or what does he do for a living?
490:  Uh he is a a contractor.
Interviewer:  Contractor.
490:  He owns a contracting business in Jackson. We're {C: baby noises} connected to Jackson a lot even though it's sixty miles from here. Daddy has a business down there and my husband works at this business. It's um with Kaiser Aluminum and uh they supply sand and and building products and everything {C: baby noises} round western west Tennessee. {C: baby noises} Here chew on this while you're cramming that down your throat {D: slogging all up} {D: Man} I'm cutting teeth.
Interviewer:  Oh boy.
490:  Got to have something to chew on.
Interviewer:  {NW} {X} Is this uh is the contract- contracting done for uh private residences or?
490:  No it's mostly just um we- b- until year before last he owned an asphalt plant.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And did asphalt work but then he sold the plant and now he's uh supplies sand for the businesses on a a part of a river and I don't know what the name of the river is little bitty
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 thing runs through there. # And they they pump sand out of the back waters that he owns the land around it and they it's just it's a sand plant. #1 And then they #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  they pump the sand up with a barge and everything and then they have a sand plant that refines it and everything and they sell that for mortar sand and then for you know for um um buildings #1 and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Gotcha gotcha. {C: baby noises} #
490:  And um uh they have different grades of sand you know concrete sand and oth- other kinds. And then they also have a dealership in Kaiser aluminum pipe. And my brother is in the pipe end of it and Don will mostly just, my husband, just sorta oversees the whole thing he's a
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
490:  #2 manager. {C: baby noises} # And my daddy's tryna retire a little bit and not doing too just cannot give it up.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  He went to um he graduated from UT Knoxville and that was around nineteen forty-one I think. And then he went into the service and when he came back out of the service he taught veterans over at U-T and carried the mail and did a little bit of everything else tryna make ends meet. {C: baby noises} And then in the late fifties he was selling heavy equipment and he got into this contracting business and asphalt and everything with another man and then they dissolved the partnership and and Daddy stayed on in the business {NS}
Interviewer:  Did he s- uh did you say he started this business {C: motor}
490:  Uh-huh
Interviewer:  #1 himself? #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. # It's his own and uh {NS} Mother went to school at Martin. They met over at Martin oh dear when it was the junior college.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 Oh you just # cannot imagine all the tales that we've heard. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Tell me some. {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 Oh um. {C: laughing} # Well of course Daddy was on a football scholarship at over Martin and he thought that he was really tough
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 you know. # And he thought that everybody else would think that he was #1 really tough. {C: baby noises} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  And uh mother
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Oh brother} #
490:  #2 had um # {NW} Mother said that he would do all kinds of things to get attention like wear one sock one color and one sock you know when they wore the argyle socks and everything you know he'd have one striped sock on once
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 and one # with polka dots on #1 it or something #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  you know so when he crossed his legs his pants came up that everybody you know would
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  notice because of his socks and or just anything you know you you-. He just thought that he was just the greatest thing. That uh {NS} M- mother's when my mother's parents died she had gone to boarding school in Nashville and um they wanted her to go to college in Nashville but she talked them into c- her guardians {C: baby noises} she talked them into coming to Martin and the first day that she was down here she met Daddy and he tried to impress her on every way
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 that he could # he could not understand why she was not falling at his #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 feet like everybody else. #
490:  But uh there's just all kinds of things that he did to try to get her attention #1 and everything #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  and finally i- it didn't take very long
Interviewer:  #1 Right. #
490:  #2 at all obviously # because they were married at the end of that year.
Interviewer:  Is that right? Well he was pretty successful.
490:  Yes {X} and then they went to Knoxville.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And th- he was a a sophomore at that time {C: baby screams} it was junior college then so they went then they went to Knoxville. And w- that w- right before the war broke out I guess. Forty-one yeah. And uh then he went to stationed in England for the duration. I was eight months old when when he was the first time he saw me. {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  She finished her college education?
490:  No she just went to th- uh she just has one year of college.
Interviewer:  And what what about her occupation
490:  #1 She's a housewife #
Interviewer:  #2 housewife or? #
490:  and a run around.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # All she does is sitting on ready all the time any time Daddy wants to go any place Daddy travels a lot. I think sometimes I wonder whether it all {D: makes sense} they did an awful lot of traveling down the coast {C: baby screaming}.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 You know. # And uh sometimes I wonder whether all that's necessary but Mama says she goes besi- she goes with Daddy to drive. Because she it makes him so tired you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  But she enjoys it you know she gets a vacation. And they they travel a lot I mean s- every winter they uh pick some place different to go. They Puerto Rico this past
Interviewer:  #1 Oh that's nice. #
490:  #2 February. # So they just you know they're enjoying life.
Interviewer:  #1 Well that's good. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  That's good. Well what about uh let's see. Oh your husband. How old is your husband?
490:  He's thirty-two. {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  And you're how old by the way?
490:  Thirty-two. We're went to started out in first grade together. We claimed each other in the first grade.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Uh yeah I remember that uh about the second half of the first grade I got chased around behind the lunch room and kissed by Donald. First time when I was in the #1 first grade #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh that started #
490:  #1 I couldn't stand him then. #
Interviewer:  #2 it huh? # {NW}
490:  And I couldn't stand him 'til we got to Junior High. And then um he was so bashful that he hardly ever spoke to anybody or girls. #1 Boys you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
490:  But uh he was a basketball player and he was a all-state basketball player when he was in high school. {C: baby noises} And course we went to high school together but I was preoccupied with something else and so was he. And but we started going together when we were seniors in c- in high school. And then he had {C: baby noises} #1 Um #
Interviewer:  #2 What high school was it? #
490:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  What high school was it?
490:  Dresden.
Interviewer:  Dresden.
490:  High school uh-huh. And then um he had several scholarship offers different places. And I was going to Knoxville until it got right down to the nitty-gritty. And he was ed- Um had scholarship offers from two or three different schools and Martin was one of them but we decided we just couldn't give it up. {NW} So I decided to go to Martin and he got a scholarship over there and he graduated there and in sixty-seven.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And I well both of graduated in sixty-seven. And he was in advanced R-O-T-C so he went into the service second lieutenant. And um. {C: baby crying} Oh Ben you getting hungry? And we um he went to jump school {C: baby noises} and was in um air trooper school for oh I do- I don't know for a while course Vietnam was raging then.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And it was just an inevitability that he was going. So um after well let's see that was in sixty-seven and sixty-eight. Sixty-eight he went to Vietnam and I stayed here and started working on my Masters over at Martin.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And um while he was gone he was gone and uh about four weeks after he left I discovered that we were going to have an addition to our family. And that's when Don came along. And I stayed here while Don was gone and we had the Junior and I lived with my mother and father. And then um he- Don and our son our eight year old was four months old when Donald first saw him for the first time. So I said history repeats itself there my father was #1 you know {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah yeah. #
490:  And then along comes my first one. And then we waited a while before we had this one. About seven and a half years #1 matter of fact. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right? #
490:  But Don's parents are from Dresden that, well, originally from Palmersville which is that's a dot on the map.
Interviewer:  Is that in uh {D: Weeker} county?
490:  Uh-huh. It's right on the edge of right before you into Kentucky. #1 Let's see it's East Palmersville. #
Interviewer:  #2 You say {D: that's} Palmersville? #
490:  P-A-L-M-E-R-S
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  V-I-L-L-E And um both his parents are from out there it's really number one number one district. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh I see. {C: baby noises} #
490:  Okay. It's between {D: Palmersville and Laythom high- Laythom} and all that boonies out there I don't know. And uh his parents were were both from out there and Don has two brothers and one of them is one that's just is he's a career man service and they're just home this week
Interviewer:  Right.
490:  After three years in Germany.
Interviewer:  Gotcha.
490:  And um they lived out there for a long time till Donald of course was already born and everything when they moved to Dresden. But I mean he was not born when they moved to Dresden but their first child was little when they lived out. I don't know why they moved to town. Um.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I guess he I don't know really what his occupation was before he {NS} Oh Ben. {C: baby crying} I'm gonna give him #1 something to eat. {C: baby crying} #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
490:  {D: Man} Ready to go.
Interviewer:  {NW} That hit the spot?
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you think about those carrots?
490:  #1 Say well they're #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  pretty good.
Interviewer:  {D: Big} like you're thinking about it.
490:  His favorite is get this vegetables, egg noodles, and beef. It comes in a can like this and I looked on the jar to see what was in and it's got uh garlic
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  and turmeric and cour- it has everything that you'd put in like a real spicy beef stew.
Interviewer:  Goodness.
490:  #1 It smells awful. But boy #
Interviewer:  #2 They make those things for babies huh? #
490:  {NW} He ate it #1 up. #
Interviewer:  #2 That sounds rough. #
490:  It sure {C: baby noises} it sure does I couldn't imagine {C: baby noises} putting garlic in every course. I- d- and so I I tasted of it and I don't taste any garlic or anything it's not real spicy #1 but just sounds #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
490:  like it would be. But he sure liked it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Good stuff. {NW} {C: baby noises} {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  Absolutely. {NS} {NW} Oh man. {NS}
490:  I don't remember what I was talking about.
Interviewer:  Oh I was gonna ask you about uh let's see oh the do you do you both go to Church
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 here in town. #
490:  Uh Donald is a member of First Baptist Church. He has been for well since he was twelve or thirteen he joined the Church.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 Here. # And um I am a Methodist.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But Donald goes to the Methodist Church with me but I cannot convince him. He
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 he needs to be a Methodist rather than a Baptist. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  But it's not necessarily I don't think that {NW} of course there's not a whole lot of difference in the two but {C: baby noises} I think that his mother would lay down and have a kicking fit. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 If he were to join the Methodist Church. {C: laughing} {C: baby noises} # Now if she didn't know about it it would be
Interviewer:  Yeah
490:  you know alright. But Don's father passed away in sixty-two. He had a heart attack. And she is in her seventies and she's set in her ways.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And she lives in her apartment with uh the old maid school teacher that's a member of the Methodist Church. And if we are not at Church on Sunday then ms {D: Seafield} the lady that lives with ms Glover will go home and say well I didn't see Donald and Polly Beth at church today.
Interviewer:  That's a bad #1 situation. #
490:  #2 Yes it is. # And if Donald were to join the Church {NW} #1 that's the first thing #
Interviewer:  #2 Yep. #
490:  ms {D: Sea} would do. {C: aggressive metallic sound} She'd run home and say Don joined the Church Oh I'm just so glad to ha- you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And Miss Glover wouldn't like it much.
Interviewer:  That would tear it #1 {D: I bet}. #
490:  #2 Yes # it surely would.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  So we go to Church and I have talked {X} {NS} Church too. But uh I haven't been doing much of that since Ben's been here because it's {C: baby noises} sorta difficult to do those things {C: baby noises} that I used to do without even thinking twice now that I have him. {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  {X} Does the uh Methodist Church here have a pretty big congregation? {C: baby noises}
490:  Uh I think it's about three hundred. I think there's about three hundred members but there's {C: baby noises} {D: I don't think there are that} many people that are there all the time. Uh the {C: baby noises} Baptist Church we got a lot of good Baptists here about a couple years ago. The Baptist Church moved. They had been up there beside their church was beside {C: baby noises} the Methodist Church and had been for years and years and years. Well they- it was in a bad place and it was an unattractive church to begin with. It was um really strange looking. It was built on a corner and it and it went all the way around the corner. You know instead of having a front it was all {C: baby noises} well it was strange looking. And they just sorta let it go down because a lot of the congregation wanted to build a new church.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Well they got into a hassle over it. {C: baby noises} And so {C: baby noises} Some of the members wanted to sell the church to the city and some of the the city was called build something there and some of 'em wanted to sell it to the {D: Wick} County Bank cause the {D: Wick} County Bank was going to build a new building and they wanted to {C: baby noises} buy the land and Oh they just had a terrible hassle. And some of the people got so disgusted with it that they just left the Church.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  And they came next door to the Methodist Church. So we got a lot of good {C: metallic clanging} #1 Baptists. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} {C: metallic clanging} # I see what you mean.
490:  Yeah but they have uh built a new church out here down the {D: Grayfield} Highway. And it's a real nice church.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But some of the older members you know didn't want to do that. They wanted {D: to keep their church} {C: baby screaming} I can understand why. I'd hate to see my church get torn down you know and a bank being pu- built in its place but we have a real nice new {D: Wick} County Bank up #1 there. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Where the Baptist Church was.
Interviewer:  Well worse yet maybe a parking lot.
490:  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  {NW} {NW} {C: metal clanging}
490:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Well let's see you mentioned a minute ago that you started doing Masters Degree work. Are you still working on that? #1 Or did you finish? #
490:  #2 No I finished that in # seventy-two. And uh {C: baby noises} at the time I was teaching English in high school up here. But um {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  You said what's your major again in college.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 English. # English and history. {NW} I had a double major.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And uh {C: baby noises} I {NS} I think what influenced me to do that had an excellent high school English teacher. {C: baby noises} And she's retiring. She retired this year but she i- was really the best teacher that I had in all my lo- my many years of going to school. {C: baby noises} But uh Anyway I was a history and English major in and I got my masters in English and history. Well along came this librarian slot opened up. Well we had not had an elementary school librarian. The state of {C: baby noises} Tennessee just made that
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  made the funds available so that every elementary school could have {C: baby noises} if so many students you know if they had so many students they could have a full time librarian and they never had one {C: baby noises} there before. So the principal asked me would I be interested and I said sure {C: baby noises} but I was right in the middle of working on my Masters and I had to have certification in library science. So the closest place that you could go at that time {C: baby noises} was well uh {C: baby noises} {D: Lanbith} University {NS} in Jackson. They had a library service program. Or you could to George Peabody in Nashville. Or you could go to Murray State which was out of state and had to pay out of state #1 tuition. Mm-hmm. {C: baby noises} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  And that crossed the oh that's about forty miles from here. {NS} So i- it would cost a hundred and ninety-six dollars for me to go to Murray and get three hours.
Interviewer:  Mm. {C: baby noises}
490:  It cost a hundred and ninety-eight dollars to go to {D: Lanbith} in cause it's a church supported school. {C: baby noises} So I thought well you know what it's gonna cost a lot but I'd rather do that because I was about up to here {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  in high school English students.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And all the hassles of teaching in high school. Um. You get sponsor class and you know or sponsor the cheerleaders or you ended up doing the {X} or {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  You know it was just more than was worth it.
Interviewer:  I've forgotten what my what my poor high school English teachers had to put up with. {C: baby noises}
490:  #1 Oh I- #
Interviewer:  #2 It's terrible. #
490:  It really is. So many extracurricular activities that you didn't have time Uh-oh Ben. Don't want anymore huh?
Interviewer:  It is a bureaucratic {C: baby noises} {X} all the forms that you hear
490:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 about. #
490:  No not not as much that. I mean you get used to that you know. It's just. It's the kids that'll drive you #1 crazy. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Excuse me let me get a #1 water. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
490:  But the last year that I I taught English Don said that you need that I believe that's about enough.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 See # if you can't do something else because I was sponsoring Beta Club. {C: baby noises} You know what the Beta Club is? {C: baby noises} Well okay I was sponsoring the Beta Club and we were putting on a play. {C: baby noises} To make enough to {X} {C: baby crying} and I was doing that {C: baby noises} four nights a week. We were practicing for the play. And then I was teaching Junior English, Senior Eng- one section of Senior English, two Junior English, an eighth grade section, and American government. Had all those different preparations every night plus #1 doing that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Did you have any tranquilizers? #
490:  That's right I went to the doctor I I was just {NW} #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Mm. #
490:  So I went to the doctor and for the first time I'd ever even thought about taking any kind of tranquilizer or anything and he gave me some very mild tranquilizer but instead of cooling me down they just hopped me up. #1 I was hanging off the ceiling. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
490:  #1 I I took one of those things. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  So that was my experience with tranquilizers. But anyway I decided that I needed to do something besides teach English that was #1 just too much #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  trying to raise a family and Don was traveling then and he was gone a lot. So right in mid-stream I started picking up my I stopped my Masters over at the University and started picking up some other courses things that I could transfer.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And I ended up getting my library certification year before last. It took me a while and Lord knows how much money. And I know never gonna see return on {D: in Wick County} on teacher's salary. It might be enough to keep a bird alive.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  Oh Wick County is slow.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  They're slowly but surely coming along, but we're having to threaten strike and everything else you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well I know what you're talking about. When I was uh in graduate school at the University of Alabama the {X} graduate teaching assistants was screaming about the {C: car noise} the low uh the low rate of pay uh. They hadn't we hadn't gotten a cost of living increase in in just ages.
490:  Is this from the state of Alabama or is this from #1 um. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah i- it would be uh #
490:  #1 Well our state does #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: probably} #
490:  you know our state's tryna keep up cuz Tennessee used to be low man on the totem pole. #1 So they're doing better now. {C: baby noises} #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. #
490:  We got another seven percent raise for- for next year but this county it slow. I mean they're all all the people that are on the county court are farmers. They don't want their property taxes increased.
Interviewer:  {D: Right.}
490:  You know. #1 It's already got that old hassle and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Mm-hmm. #
490:  Just the same old stuff. I guess, is that why you're {D: working} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah {D: Oh gosh}. # Nobody wants any taxes.
490:  No.
Interviewer:  Oh I meant to tell you. Uh that my mother is a librarian.
490:  #1 Is she? #
Interviewer:  #2 As a matter of fact. # Yeah. She's uh the town that I'm from Troy has a four year college. Troy
490:  #1 State. #
Interviewer:  #2 State. #
490:  #1 Yes well I know I #
Interviewer:  #2 and she grew up- #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right? #
490:  Oh yeah {NW} #1 We had some #
Interviewer:  #2 For the football games. #
490:  #1 Football games. Yes. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah yeah. #
490:  We've been to Troy State two or three times.
Interviewer:  Oh you've been down there?
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
490:  Last time we were in I I won't tell you what my husband did.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Stupid {X} {C: laughing} # It was terrible. It was just terrible. We hadn't been married oh a year or so and
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  we had a good time #1 but we took all weekend to get to there and back. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Really? Yeah yeah yeah. {C: laughing} # That's a pretty long haul.
490:  We always start I think we start about Thursday night or Friday morning. {NW} Sunday night or #1 Monday night planning. Dinner time. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sound like sound like just that. Yeah. # {NW} Oh but y- U-T Martin has always been an old nemesis of #1 Troy State. #
490:  #2 Mm yeah. #
Interviewer:  I remember one day when Troy State won the national championship in sixty-eight the only team to beat them was {NW} #1 UT Martin {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 Yeah # I remember that Donald was I I was over there but Donald was in service. #1 {X} everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm yeah. #
490:  Um is she uh the librarian #1 at Forest Town? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah a records librarian at the #
490:  #1 Oh. #
Interviewer:  #2 at the college library. # She has ki- she's really not formally trained to be a librarian. She went to school at the University of Alabama majored in home economics. #1 So I said you know {D: have a girl}. Yeah. {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 Mm we all change mid-stream. #
Interviewer:  It's kinda peculiar. She's just crazy about that #1 {D: line of} work. #
490:  #2 I really like # course I have uh eight hundred and fifty elementary school kids as they're coming in that library every week #1 wanting something you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Goodness}. #
490:  I #1 {D: Five could be color.} #
Interviewer:  #2 This is all one school? #
490:  #1 Yes. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # That's a big school.
490:  Yeah we have well until last year we had the largest elementary school in the county cuz Martin had like uh K through four and then they had a middle school and the junior high and then a high school.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um I I guess they s- rev- revamped this and everything they {D: don't} have one school {X} that has more students than we do. {C: baby crying} But we were the largest school in the county. {c: baby crying} {D: Cherry's} and Duke Hanson got K through 8 and it got closed over eight hundred about eight hundred and seventy-five students.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And um I have a schedule you know each class comes in for thirty minutes except for junior high kids and they don't come unless I #1 It's like I'll let her know. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 That's a good {X} {C: laughing} #
490:  #1 I guess {X} keep 'em coming #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. {C: laughing} # I can remember my days in the library {D: at} Junior High School. #1 So I saw very little reason with that. #
490:  #2 Oh lord. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # I just don't let them come unless they're planning on checking out a book or sitting. #1 I just send them back. They're gonna come up there and #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 have a good time. That's all they're interested in. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Mm-hmm. # That's right.
490:  Tearing up the magazines or writing things in the magazines. #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 This is true. # I had a my librarian at high school had a - had this attitude that when one was in the library one did not touch the books. #1 They were supposed to stay on the {C:laugh} #
490:  #2 You know what #
Interviewer:  shelves and look pretty.
490:  #1 That's what I #
Interviewer:  #2 It's kinda funny. #
490:  That's the way my was in high school. And I said th- that's gonna be and she's just now retiring this year #1 too. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  I I guess the kids are glad to see her go.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But I said I am not gonna be that way. So we play games and course they're elementary school it's a lot different #1 than high school you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. #
490:  I had a a teacher in the lab downstairs came up one day last week of school and asked could I please hold it down. We were playing running with the kindergarten kids and having it playing games. #1 And there's a #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  steel beam that runs u- in the floor and it's ri- and when you walk on it a certain way it just #1 vibrates the whole thing. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  And I was vibrating {D: learn} and limb. So {X} come up and {C: laughing} and sort of cool it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 That's uh #
490:  #2 But # we had a good time anyway. I showed them a lot of famous trips and things #1 like that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  {X} I hope they do anyway.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Oh yeah my mother likes it so much sh- she brings her work home with her. #1 And #
490:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  find her in the living room surrounded by cards and government documents #1 and spicy stuff like that #
490:  #2 No I'm not in that. #
Interviewer:  #1 you know. {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 There's some {X} #
490:  #2 Mm. I'm not in # stuff like that. Thank goodness #1 I think I #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  just would be lost. I'm I'm more on the last one Homer's {D: Green Pea} and books like that.
Interviewer:  {NW} Well why my mother uh before she became a librarian at Troy State was a librarian for what they called a laboratory school. It was subject it was a college uh #1 uh it was run #
490:  #2 {D: Yeah I know what you're talking.} #
Interviewer:  pretty closely with the school of education #1 there. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  And so you know she she d- she still reads that kind of thing. They have a collection there in the in college for the uh l- for the students who are #1 in elementary education. #
490:  #2 Yeah. Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  And of course they have to #1 figure out themselves all the stuff. #
490:  #2 All the money and all the {D: county cotton} winners. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. Yeah. #
490:  #2 And their- yeah. #
Interviewer:  #1 I t- he probably had to keep reading the stuff #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  your brain going to turn to jello. #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {D: But she} A- and sometimes what's really bad I I I think she's reading it for her own pleasure. {C: Laughing} #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {X} # I had a a book this this last month it came in. I ordered a new- it was Liza Lou and the yellow baby swan.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  It was darling. It really is about this little black girl who's just walking out of her hates and goblins and #1 everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  And I have more fun reading those things
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  you know the kids out loud and they just sitting there you know with their eyes #1 so big. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  And one little girl was sitting on the floor in kindergarten. She was sitting on the floor right under and I've got a little bitty chair that I'm practically on the floor with them.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And every time I turned a page of the book course it had those big goblins and ghosts and everything she's a little black girl and she'd say #1 Oh Lord. {C: mimicking voice} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Every time I turned the page before I'd start she'd say #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Oh Lord {C: mimicking voice}. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 And I knew what was coming. I was about to {D: break} her. It was really funny. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  The children. I I enjoy working with children there.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  They keep you young.
Interviewer:  Yeah. That is nice.
490:  Know all kinds of different- you know what's going on. #1 You know what to expect #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  out of your own. You're not shocked when your #1 {D: own does}. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 That's true. #
490:  You're having yourself a lunch. {C: mumbling to baby}
Interviewer:  I say one of the things I wanted to ask you was are you in any kind of uh church groups or clubs or civic organizations or anything like that?
490:  Um. I belong to a {C: baby crying} young Methodists womens group which is a a y- there's two groups like this at our church one for young- younger women and one for the older women. And I'm a member of that. And um then I'm a member of the alumni asso- association kinda like I was kinda like when I was in school. There was my sorority I mean I'm very involved now I'm an officer this year. Into that a lot. {C: baby crying}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. {C: baby crying}
490:  And um {C: baby crying} I was in {X} Club but {D: I couldn't go} or I couldn't handle all of this. {C: baby noises} I had to let some of that #1 stuff go. {C: baby noises} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  And let's see if there's anything else that I'm doing right now.
Interviewer:  {D: Are they} organizations associated with school {C: baby noises} #1 or? #
490:  #2 Uh # But of course our local P-T-O parent teachers organization.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  {X} {C: baby noises} And I'm an officer in that this next year. {C: baby noises} Let me get this off you Ben. {C: baby noises} And um {C: baby noises} the library association of course. All these education associations things that I'm involved in.
Interviewer:  Is that P-E-A?
490:  Yeah the P-E-A and our {D: Wick} County Association thing. I was an officer last year. And now professional organizations {C: baby noises} And aw just about meeting-ed out like I have a lot of things. I- you know you can really work yourself to death when you get so {D: picked when it's like} well I should do that.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah. {C: baby noises}
490:  So.
Interviewer:  She's doing fine {D: we're gonna} give it to her. {C: baby noises}
490:  That's right. {C: baby crying} And um I'm {C: baby noises} I'm a sponsor of our our junior beta club at school and we are then involved in raising uh fundraising things for the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation and then for Saint Jude Research Hospital in Memphis too.
Interviewer:  {NW} {C: baby noises}
490:  Uh. {C: baby noises} That {C: baby noises} is a big thing in our area. I don't know whether down where you #1 live they still #
Interviewer:  #2 Cystic fibrosis? #
490:  No the the Saint Jude Research Hospital. #1 Maybe it's not #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh I see. #
490:  I don't know whether it's that far reaching or not. They have a lot of drives around here. Saint Jude's.
Interviewer:  Is that in Memphis?
490:  Uh-huh. #1 The research hospital #
Interviewer:  #2 Right yeah. #
490:  for children you know #1 with cancer. Right uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 That Danny Thomas {go for tournaments was} # #1 a fundraiser for that. #
490:  #2 That's right. Mm-hmm. # Danny Thomas is the man who really the he's the wheel horse #1 when it #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  comes to Saint Jude's. And um
Interviewer:  Wonder how he got associated with that.
490:  I I think one of his children.
Interviewer:  Oh.
490:  Or one of one of his friend's children. Or something. Anyway had leukemia. And um he somehow became involved with it I don't know exact- I don't know the full story on it. It's sorta like Jerry Lewis and the multiple sclerosis
Interviewer:  #1 I was just about to #
490:  #2 thing {X} #
Interviewer:  ask you whether you know what his association are his interests in.
490:  Who #1 Jerry Lewis or? Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 Bob Stewert {D: districted is} #
490:  He has a child.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  I the reason I know that is w- there was a telethon that came out of the {D: duke} on television. And he {D: throw} multiple sclerosis. Is that it?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Okay. I didn't know #1 whether that was loose enough. #
Interviewer:  #2 Is it multiple sclerosis or # muscular dystrophy.
490:  Muscular dystrophy that's what it is. And they had telethons. And he came and he explained it. It was very emotional #1 for me. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  Oh he
Interviewer:  #1 Well I have n- I've seen these national #
490:  #2 He's really {X} #
Interviewer:  telethons that he does. But I've never seen him I've never heard him uh give an explanation.
490:  Mm-hmm. Well he he to- course it was in the wee hours of the morning. That he
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 Yeah. # But he explained how one of his children
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  was afflicted. And uh i- it was interesting.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 An- # But as so- as as soon as he finished the the line hopped. #1 You know it's #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  a good selling point
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # But it's for a good cause.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
490:  #2 Th- # Those things like that. But anyway we just um one of the a real {C: baby noises} fine young man from Dresden just died of leukemia this past spring. And all of our city groups and everything really we- gone the limit with Saint Jude. Not the limit but really gone all out. As far as memorial gifts and things like that. You know. Projects and everything prepared.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Well what about your husband. Is he associated with any kind of
490:  Uh he belongs to several professional organizations that have to do with this business thing in Jackson. {D: Sutan.} And then uh he's involved I don't know what all
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
490:  #2 {X} {C: car} # But anyway they're uh they're friends too His company.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  I don't know but h- as far as being involved at the lines closed rubber cutting in Dresden. He's never in Dresden.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  He goes to Jackson every day.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 Which is # about a sixty mile drive. And everybody says how does he do that you know it's it's just like going downtown to him. #1 He's so used to it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  And uh people can't understand how when I say I'm going to run down to Jackson you know I got to bring something to do. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  And I imagine it's like it's like going to Memphis for me. Like you know.
Interviewer:  Like it's some kind of journey.
490:  Yeah right. But uh he Don had a basketball scholarship. When he was in school and uh or I- he says he wouldn't have been able to go to school you know if he hadn't had the scholarship so he's involved with the alumni association a lot as far the scholarships for basketball students and things like that. Or all sports events.
Interviewer:  Yeah I was walking around on the on the campus the other day. That's a pretty campus.
490:  #1 It surely is. #
Interviewer:  #2 I like it. #
490:  They
Interviewer:  #1 Gotta learn. #
490:  #2 It's changed some. #
Interviewer:  Big new buildings.
490:  Don and I went to school over there in sixty-three. And enrolled it was fifteen hundred.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  And now it's eight thousand.
Interviewer:  Eight thousand?
490:  They were saying #1 well no #
Interviewer:  #2 Wow. #
490:  they had it uh in the last fall they had enrollment I think of eight thousand. But I think it's dropping off a little you know.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Didn't seem like {X} {D: not quite eight} #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well that's a big school.
490:  Yeah. It has really grown. But uh.
Interviewer:  I went to visit a friend of mine in uh Knoxville. He's a student there at U-T. And I was amazed #1 at the size of that campus. #
490:  #2 That place is something else. #
Interviewer:  #1 They make it #
490:  #2 It's enormous. # That's
Interviewer:  Something else.
490:  We go up at least three or four times a year. In the fall. Football games.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 We're # we're addicts.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And we have season tickets. You know the whole gamut and everything. And um I just I look forward to it. {D: Provide-} Fall's my favorite time of year. And I love football. I can't wait to get up there.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And we've- for the last two years we've been we've taken our son. {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 And he is just # raised. I you know and when we raised on U-T football.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And now we got John Majors up that's there.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 Everybody's just sitting on #
Interviewer:  #1 Sure. #
490:  #2 {X}. And hoping we can # beat that man down there.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 In your neck of the woods {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  I'll have to admit when U-T beats Alabama they usually do a pretty thorough job of it.
490:  Oh I never went w- we're Every year Don says well if it's at Knoxville how about a Tennessee games at Knoxville are you going? I said I don't know let me think about it. Well I always end up going. But the last three times we've been to Birmingham.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I said I'm not going back to Birmingham.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 They're gonna play at Legion Field. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I'm not going. # And I mean it. And #1 every #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  year when I end up trucking
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah yeah. #
490:  #2 down there and every year #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: I come on a big old} long face. And #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I can't remember the last time th-. # Well last time we beat you down there. We were there. And we got we were in a motel it was downtown and we got on the wrong bus.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  We got on the bu- well it was going back to the motel. The right place. But it was straight Alabama fans. You know #1 we were the only Tennessee fans on there. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. That's bad. #
490:  {NW} And I just couldn't keep this big smile off #1 my face you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Just sitting back there like that. And {D: you go} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  {D: everybody's got their} #1 long faces #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 You get you. Just wait your time's coming and #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  every year since then it has.
Interviewer:  Oh r-
490:  What was it seventy-two?
Interviewer:  I g- I don't even remember.
490:  Seventy or seventy-two. Bad year I tell you.
Interviewer:  #1 I h- I don't I don't like #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  uh the games in Birmingham. I've only been to one and you can guess which one that was. It was the seventeen to sixteen {D: debacle} with Auburn.
490:  Ah yes.
Interviewer:  You know the two black punts. Uh.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I've never been back. {NW} I don't like Birmingham anyway.
490:  #1 I- I don't care for it either. #
Interviewer:  #2 So really #
490:  Don's just coming back from there today.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 He he's- # I like not very crazy about it.
Interviewer:  Yeah it's really unfinished.
490:  {D: Dol} did some business in Tuscaloosa this last summer.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
490:  And uh we were down there. He had s- sold some pipes to somebody. And then they have a sales representative in Alabama.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And um. He was putting their- they were delivering some stuff or something. Don had to go down there and check on some stuff. So we went and those people down there are crazy. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 I #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # We can get {D: Bryce} Hospital's there #1 that's some pretty good percent of the population that's crazy. Whatever it is. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # {D: I am recorded} they're crazy about Alabama football.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh well. #
490:  #2 You just # uh they're right nuts.
Interviewer:  Well you know you hear the same thing if you go up into Knoxville. You know. Take yourself a hard hat and a baseball bat #1 and see how many Tennessee fans are there. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: That's right} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  I had I had a roommate who was a hardcore Alabama fan. He he took it so far that he went to all the games. Whether home or away, you know, and that's pretty long #1 road trip. #
490:  #2 Yeah it is. #
Interviewer:  And well he bought a new car uh one year that he was there he got a new- one of these big new Chryslers and he got it uh it was red with a white top.
490:  #1 Oh. #
Interviewer:  #2 You know. # But that guy was {D: alright}
490:  #1 Crimson Tide. #
Interviewer:  #2 But uh. #
490:  #1 He really is #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 um {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 He was he was he was bad. # You know.
490:  We pulled up and just this guy that Donald had bought this pipe- city engineer.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And he held out his hand and saw Don sitting in the backseat. Our little one sitting in the backseat. And he said I've got just the thing for that boy. And he went back there and got an Alabama calendar. #1 That had all the players #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  all the way across the top and everything. Had a big picture of Bryant right in the center #1 and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 But he said here son. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 And {D: Donald} looked {D: Donald} looked at him and he said I'm not an Alabama fan. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  And he said you are now.
Interviewer:  Yeah probably think it was sacrilege.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Or something like that. #
490:  #2 {NW} # I don't know what.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Yeah they probably for uh} #
490:  #2 {X} told you. #
Interviewer:  they are pretty uh pretty vocal around there. At times though it's funny in uh in the stadium uh they can get real quiet.
490:  #1 Oh bless 'em like dead {D: seed} #
Interviewer:  #2 Alm- just kinda apathetic about the whole thing. #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # But that U-T stadium is enormous. That's one
490:  #1 Yeah it's fantastic. #
Interviewer:  #2 of the biggest #
490:  #1 They - I know - They've um #
Interviewer:  #2 college stadiums I've seen. #
490:  It well let's see. What'd they put on last fall that upper layer thing that they put on last fall {C: baby scream and clanging} It seats eighty-three thousand now.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 I think. # I think that's right eighty-three.
Interviewer:  I understand they're gonna make a bowl #1 out of it right? #
490:  #2 Yeah. # They're going on and finishing it and I don't know whether the funds have gone through or.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  You know whether they're going to go on and finish it or not cuz when they do that #1 It's close to a hundred thousand I would think. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Could go} a hundred thousand yeah. #
490:  #1 They need I declare. #
Interviewer:  #2 They aren't too {D: upstaged I think} #
490:  It's terrible you just have to stand in line and get tickets.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  It just. It's awful. Just about as bad as I imagine it is in Birmingham. {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah. I guess so. It's about it's about time that they tore down Legion Field. {C: laughing}
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 As far as I'm concerned. #
490:  #1 I think I just uh I have bad luck #
Interviewer:  #2 I like that {D: lug} #
490:  every time I go anywhere. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  {NW} No I- I'm like you I like uh I like the fall. And #1 the football #
490:  #2 Mm. #
Interviewer:  and all that.
490:  Good.
Interviewer:  #1 Gives you something to look forward to #
490:  #2 Cause it's my favorite time of year. #
Interviewer:  every weekend.
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 Relieve your mind # from the strain.
490:  We were just going to football games about three or four years ago we got a little slower at everything. We just got so ev- We'd go to at least one road trip a year you know and uh with a chartered bus and everything. Mostly of the people are from Martin and from Dresden.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  We run around with a lot of people from Martin. And um
Interviewer:  Have you ever been to an L-S-U game? In Baton Rouge.
490:  Oh honey! Tell me about it. Would you believe year before last.
Interviewer:  I've got to go to Baton Rouge one day for a game.
490:  #1 Oh golly. #
Interviewer:  #2 I've heard so much about Tiger Stadium. #
490:  Yeah we trucked down there.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that right? #
490:  #2 That's really real. # We went on the bus now if you can picture this to Baton Rouge was a long trip.
Interviewer:  Oh God.
490:  It's a great trip down.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But coming back you know you're just
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  dead. We went down there it was a night game. They they're they're crazy down there.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 I think they are the crazy #
490:  #2 They had #
Interviewer:  #1 fans in the southeast. #
490:  #2 yeah. I had great # half-time. Uh shows and everything. They trained animals and
Interviewer:  #1 Oh really. #
490:  #2 you know and everything {C: laughing}. # But you you watch where you sit and you watch what you say.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  Oh. They're they're t- just flat ugly sometimes {C: laughing}. Course I guess we we've gotten a little ugly too but mm they're rough.
Interviewer:  #1 Well friends of mine #
490:  #2 Tiger's day. #
Interviewer:  A friend of mine who's from my hometown he played for Alabama for a while said that while when they went to it Baton Rouge the players from L-S-U the fans would get so rowdy you know {D: somewhat} crazy Cajun
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 down there # that Bryant and the rest of coaching staff would have to put on football helmets.
490:  #1 Yeah they throw things. #
Interviewer:  #2 The crowds would throw # bottles at ya
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. They sure do. No. #
Interviewer:  #2 all the time. #
490:  That night that course we just got stomped. We were doin- You know we had such a great season and then L-S-U come up and {X} And um it got so we didn't even care. We just said we can have a good time #1 you know. We don't #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  no need in being upset about this morning cause it's completely gone.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But uh they were throwing bottles and stuff. They didn't like what the referee.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  It's about like uh K- the Kentucky basketball.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh {D: great} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Oh me I thought th- that my husband was going to have just rigor mortis was gonna set in
Interviewer:  #1 Have you been to Lexington #
490:  #2 for him. {X} #
Interviewer:  for a game?
490:  No we didn't go to Lexington. We went to um {C: baby noises} Um. Oh where did we go. But we went to Oxford this year. We went to Donald's been to Lexington but I've never been. But we went to Oxford for Ole Miss game this year. Tennessee Ole Miss game #1 See Ernie and Bernie {X} {C: baby crying} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  I'm sorry son. {D: baby crying} We watched the Ernie and Bernie show. And th- he had a really good {C: baby crying} It's too bad that they didn't do any better than they did cause they had all kinds of potential. Alabama too.
Interviewer:  #1 Well Tennessee uh #
490:  #2 We were disappointed in Alabama. #
Interviewer:  Tennessee wound up
490:  I don't
Interviewer:  #1 pretty high #
490:  #2 know. #
Interviewer:  didn't they?
490:  Yeah but you know in the tournament N double A C
Interviewer:  #1 Oh. Yeah. #
490:  #2 P. N double A C-P. #
Interviewer:  #1 That was #
490:  #2 N-C double A {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Yeah they had th- that's right they won the set by um {C: whirring}
490:  {D: I think} Norton and some Yankee thing what was it? {C: whirring}
Interviewer:  Oh
490:  #1 They had Norton. #
Interviewer:  #2 Syracuse. #
490:  Syracuse yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 Yes that was a {D: prize}. #
490:  #2 Oh that was sad. # It was really sad. They acted then they played. Don kept saying I they're gonna come back. Or everything's gonna be alright. It's gon- we're gonna win this game. Just don't you worry about it. He was crawling around on the floor. Beating the
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 floor. And he gets on the telephone with this guy # that's a lawyer down #1 here. That are #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  great {D: beasts}. And they stay on the telephone. They ju- they don't watch the games or listen to them again. They'd rather stay on the telephone. They'll pick up the phone. Did you see how
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 that {D: out}? # Alan say yeah I saw. What'd you think about that. Well they sit there and rehash that play.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 And then they # go back and oh.
Interviewer:  #1 Well I guess he's got a #
490:  #2 {D: Like me.} #
Interviewer:  different perspective of being a former basketball player.
490:  Yeah. He he's sorta {D: directorial poor back} going on. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # He doesn't understand you know why why so and so did so and so.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But #1 it's neither #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  here nor that. I mean he couldn't change it by getting so upset. {D: Y'all going to say} so now Johnny Majors is coming to Tennessee. {C: baby noises} You want some more carrots. You get tired. {NW}
Interviewer:  D- does- did he follow the uh professional playoffs?
490:  Yeah. He uh my father went to the- Are you talking about basketball or football?
Interviewer:  Yeah basketball.
490:  Basketball. Not too much I don't think. Donald doesn't. If it's Tennessee basketball he's interested.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And you know but otherwise I thought you was talking about football. Let's get in here! I thought you was talking about football. Daddy went to the Super Bowl this year. He goes he's been for the last four years.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And uh I think he has a good time there too.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  We all manage to have a good time #1 wherever we go. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 {D: What'd I} do with my spoon? #
Interviewer:  #2 Well that's the best way to do it. #
490:  {C: baby crying} Oh now.
Interviewer:  Are you unhappy? {C: rustling}
490:  When I was I w- in Junior High I guess Mom and Dad started taking me to Knoxville to the ball game. {X} I've just been raised on Tennessee football.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Man you were still hungry weren't you?
Interviewer:  I hate to get it, but that was probably the underlying reason that I wanted to go to Alabama in the first place. I'd always heard {C: baby noises}
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  about. You know. The big football tradition and all that.
490:  Well we're not exper- expecting miracles. Big miracles #1 this year. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 We're just expecting small #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  We would we would like to come close #1 in the Alabama Tennessee game this year. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Well if anyone can do it
490:  #1 Well he keeps #
Interviewer:  #2 I bet {D: Matrix} can. #
490:  in our newspapers and everything. Course he is one of the trustees at at U-T, lives right over here across from us. {C: baby crying} Oh come on now. And uh he's told us at Church this Saturday at the last Saturday football season. He told us at Church he said I've just taken my phone off the hook. Cause his people are calling me tryna get get rid of battle and he said I've just taken my phone off the hook.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  That's how bad it was. Everybody
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: kneeling}. # Okay I don't know what you want. Would you tell me what you want. {C: baby noises} Huh? What y- {C: some a teaching} huh?
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Don't think that's really it either. Now okay look here let's play with these. {C: baby noises} Now. I don't know what's wrong w- I t- had to take him to the doctor yesterday for his ears and I think {C: baby noises} maybe his ear might be hurting him a little bit.
Interviewer:  Does that come with any kind of fever or #1 anything like that. #
490:  #2 Yeah. # He had Monday he had a little temperature about a hundred and one.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  You're getting restless as everything aren't you sir?
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Said who are you? {NW} He could just stare right through you. Just keeps sitting and looking.
Interviewer:  Have you done much traveling uh either instate or out of state?
490:  Well uh when I was a Junior in high school mother and and daddy and my two brothers, I have two younger brothers, went to well we went down the southern part of the United States round to California and then back up through. And I think I've been in three- somethin- thirty something states I don't remember it's been a long time since I remember counting. And then uh when I was senior in high school we went to the World's Fair in New York. And so we went all up through that area. And then Donald and I well Donald was stationed a- at in New Jersey Fort Mott New Jersey and while he was there we went all up into New England and everything up into Maine and we spent several weekends in Maine and New Hampshire and Massachusetts and up through there and then we go to Florida every summer so all down through the southern states. You know we um have a house that we rent down there every summer for a week.
Interviewer:  #1 What part of Florida is that? #
490:  #2 Um like uh. # It's on Santa Rosa Island. And uh it's right n- above Mexico. And um
Interviewer:  #1 Have you ever been out of the country? #
490:  #2 Um. # Mexico. That's all I've that's as far as and Canada. I forgot I've been to Canada. {C: laughing} But as far as being you know #1 across the Atlantic or anything. #
Interviewer:  #2 More {X} yeah. #
490:  I'm not. I have never done that. I don't really have any desire to do that for some reason. That has not become one of my ambitions yet.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah yet. #
490:  #2 You know. Sometimes I- #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Yeah yet. {C: laughing} # I'll want to do that eventually, but I just really haven't I guess I've been too busy to worry about that. Now my my aunt and uncle, my mother's sister and her husband, live in Florida and every summer they take a European tour
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 or a # South Pacific tour or something. They don't have any children.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And they just you know the- they are school teachers.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And he just they save up their money I guess. Well Florida you know has several programs that after you teach for so long- well I don't know whether they still do it now or not but after you teach for seven years you get sort of a year's leave. A s- like a sabbatical. You know. And they can they've been taking advantage of that. This summer they're going t- no last summer they went to the British Isles and they stayed all summer.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  It's for three months well two and a half months. And then
Interviewer:  Terrific.
490:  uh this summer they're taking a cruise in the Mediterranean. And I don't know what country their's gonna be staying in.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But I've you know I'd like to do that sometime I guess. I'd like to get on just a I'd like to get on this r- river boat that goes down the Cumberland River and up to Oakland, Illinois and everything. The Delta queen You heard about that? #1 That's a #
Interviewer:  #2 No. #
490:  fantastic trip.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  It's really nice. This our uh have you heard of Ned Ray McWherter. You know who I'm talking about when I say that?
Interviewer:  What's his name?
490:  Ned Ray McWherter. He's the speaker of the house of Tennessee. And he's from Dresden.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  He's the state representative. And he and my father and mother are real good friends. He's from Dresden originally. And he and a friend of his did this last weekend on the Delta Queen and he said it was he said he's been he's done a lot of things. He's been to Europe and everything. He said that's the most enjoyable trip he'd ever taken.
Interviewer:  This is a {D: four fuuz} #1 riverboat. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh a big steamboat. # Riv- riverboat.
Interviewer:  Wow.
490:  And it
Interviewer:  Big paddle wheel
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 and everything? #
490:  {D: Though} I think it has electrical motors too.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 You know # in case the paddle wheels #1 {D: don't work} {C: laughing}. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  But that's for nostalgia stak- #1 sake. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah.
490:  But uh it goes all the way to New Orleans. You can go on it to New Orleans up into Minnesota someplace but i- it then it goes around the Cumberland River up into Kentucky. And uh but it's a real nice trip. You can stay on as long as you want to. You know.
Interviewer:  Wow.
490:  But he had they got on at Nashville I believe. On the Cumberland River. And then his driver picked them up someplace in in Illinois. But he said it was a great trip. I'd like to do that. And that doesn't cost much. You know like two hundred and fifty dollars.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh wow. #
490:  #2 You know. #
Interviewer:  #1 That's reasonable. #
490:  #2 So. # Mm-hmm. And that's all your meals and all your entertainment and all your drinks and everything.
Interviewer:  Can't beat that.
490:  No you can't. {C: laughing} Not from Friday 'til Monday.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # That's true. Wow.
490:  Sound like a nice trip. I'd like to do that sometime.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 There's # a lot of things in the United States I want to see before I go out of the country anyway. I don't really have any desire to get sick on the water in other countries and stuff like that anyway.
Interviewer:  Hmm. Well I tell you what we've done enough for today.
490:  Okay. Put other people in in the motel when they've got Beta club students.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  They just. Most of the clubs stay at this one particular motel.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Yeah I remember the uh the first year that we went up there. Um all of the all of the students were were housed in you know one particular part of the hotel on several floors #1 or something like #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  that. But We uh just about wrecked that place.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 So when # we came back next year they separated us. #1 They scattered us #
490:  #2 Oh no. #
Interviewer:  you know through the floors. Divide and conquer #1 I guess that's what it was. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 So #
490:  #2 Oh me. #
Interviewer:  I guess they just caught on.
490:  Mm. Doesn't take much.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well there's not much tape left on this one. I guess we could just chat a little bit more before I get into something else. I wanted to ask you yesterday about the house that you were uh raised in as a child. Could you just describe it to me. You know the the layout of the different rooms.
490:  Okay. Uh. When I was three years old my father and mother ha- well daddy had was had been an agricultural extension agent. And he'd been in Henderson for four or five months. And then they came back to Dresden and we lived in an apartment while their mother and daddy built the house that where they that they live in now.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Um and I was three when we moved into that house. And it was it was really a nice house. For this you know for them to be as young as they were and everything. My mother had come into quite a bit of money when she was twenty-five and had had inherited some. So they took some of her inheritance and built this house. Which was nice cuz they didn't have anything else you know #1 but they did have a nice house. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Great house. Mm-hmm. #
490:  But um. Well it was it's an oblong house and they've added onto it over the years. And it has an upstairs to it, but i- it's oblong. It has a stripe across the front and obviously a front door. And it has a very large living and dining room. Sorta combination like this one is except divided a little bit here. And um you walked directly into the living room. And then that long area and then right behind that was a small kitchen. And there was a breezeway on the house, but since then well when I was in high school they closed that breezeway and my