490:  Just didn't build Ben's
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  as like we do now. And uh it had a real large den and I was the only child at the time and they were hoping that that would continue to be that way for a while. You know and that because they hadn't finished the upstairs. They just the the area was there but it as far as being finished into living quarters it wasn't. And um but then five years later along came my brother. And then that's when they finished the upstairs. And they have three large bedrooms and a bath upstairs. And it has a completed enclosed garage and that they never use now for cars because it's got all of everybody's things that they didn't want.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Out there. {C: laughing} # Mother keeps saying I wish that you would come and get all this junk
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 that you # have accumulated over the years. Furniture you know things that handed down from my grandfather and my gr- and up in the um attic part #1 of the garage. #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  The other day I was out there rummaging around looking for something and I looked up and there was an old antique oak um bedstead.
Interviewer:  Oh wow.
490:  That had been my great-grandmother's. #1 And it was just #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  about to pieces. And I asked mother what was she planning on doing with it. It's a not a full sized bed yet it's not a three-quarter bed. And you can't you have to have mattresses specially
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 made you know. # Well because it was so
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 it was handmade # by my great-grandfather for my great-grandmother before they married.
Interviewer:  Oh Lord.
490:  And #1 I sa- #
Interviewer:  #2 Is there anyway #
490:  #1 Well I #
Interviewer:  #2 you can do anything with it. #
490:  there's a man here in town who does uh woodwork and he refinishes a lot of things. Plus he builds some beautiful furniture. So I said if I ever get up enough cash stashed back
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  That I would you know take it down there and let him see what he can do #1 about it. Cause #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  it was split in places and everything.
Interviewer:  That would really be nice
490:  #1 Yeah it was. #
Interviewer:  #2 if you could. #
490:  It has uh rosettes. You know carved up at the top and everything.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. Yeah. #
490:  #2 It's really beautiful. # I don't care for the for oak. You can tell by looking that I'm not an oak person. But um it it's beautiful wood and it's really some nice work. And then then my grandfather and my grandmother had um a grand piano. It wasn't like that one. It's a a upright grand piano.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
490:  It's real you know what I'm talking #1 about? #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  It was about this big you know and mother has parts of it up there up above the uh in the attic up there.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But the keyboard fell completely apart so they took it #1 and threw all that #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  ivory in the gully years ago. Just kills me. {NW} But it w- it really it was really worn.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 And course it had # to be completely reworked. So that one was completely reworked too. Mother and Daddy gave that to me when I was a senior in high school. That was my graduation present for giving up my senior recital I had.
Interviewer:  How old is this piano?
490:  Well it was in the home of the president of {D: Lambeth} College.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And {D: Lambeth} College was somewhere like eighteen thirty-five or something like that and it was the the first piano that was put in there in the eighteen seventies #1 that was #
Interviewer:  #2 Wow. #
490:  of that style. And um
Interviewer:  Well that's really well
490:  #1 it i- yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 preserved. #
490:  well th- Stein- uh Steinway people
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  in uh Jackson company called {D: Jack-o's} completely took it and just reworked the whole thing. It has a whole new sound board and new keyboard. And uh the wood somebody had painted that mahogany black.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  Somewhere back down through the years you know. And they took it and completely stripped it and started all over with it so you can see the scars on it and everything down through the they couldn't sand completely out down
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 underneath the keyboard. # But um
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 I'm just real # proud of it. Um course it's a new stool and everything. It's not new. It was nineteen sixty-three, but it's new to that piano.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And um they asked me did I want a car or did I want a piano and I knew that I was going off to school and I'd eventually come up with a car cuz they wouldn't want to come after me all the time. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  #1 Clever. #
490:  #2 I used #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 my head # and said I wanted the piano.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  So when we when we built this house we built the living room
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  around the piano. I was going to have a bay window put right over there and put the piano in the bay window but I didn't know what I was going to do for the dining room. And I liked the arrangement of the house and um
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm #
490:  #2 I didn't # have a place to put a dining room with that so. The bay window was gonna cost awful lot anyway so I #1 just #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  did without the bay and put the {NW} the piano over there but I don't play it much anymore. I just and once in a while I get an urge #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  But I I do enjoy it it's relaxing. Or I when I'm frustrated about something I
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 come here and pound on that piano. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Releases my tensions a lot.
Interviewer:  Well that's nice. Well go ahead and tell me about this house.
490:  Okay um. When Donald got back from Vietnam he went to work with insurance agents agency in Martin. And we were living in a trailer. We had bought a trailer when we married. And um lived in it when he was finishing school and when I had started teaching and everything. Then when he went to the service then I lived in the trailer and we pulled it down to Mother and Daddy's and put it up beside their house back of their house. {NW} And um so when he got back then he was um for two years I think he worked for the insurance agency. And decided that that was wasn't his bag he just wasn't real thrilled with that. So he went to work working for a book company and that's when we decided that we would build. And we drew the plans for the house ourselves. We worked on it for you know like a #1 year trying to #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  decide what we wanted and what we could afford. The first house that we planned was just a monster you know. And we had no idea no conception of building costs #1 and things like that #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  And he wanted a mansard roof house.
Interviewer:  #1 A what? #
490:  #2 It's # A mansard roof. It's um I know you've seen them i- they're coming back into style really n- a lot. Um most of them are sort of square houses and then they have a separate floor that has as much room on the first floor as it does on the second floor yet it doesn't look like it's a two story house. It has a roof that slants in. #1 Like this #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. #
490:  #1 all the way around. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  And then sort of a flat top.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And there are windows set into the roof. You know all the way around. And um that was going to cost such an enormous amount we took it to our builder and he said now um I'll tell you what it's gonna cost but I don't think you're gonna build it. And we didn't. And that's when we came up with this one. And um I just took several plans that I had seen you know in different books and everything and we just sorta compiled them. And then I took them over to um the {D: Wicker} county electric company over there. And this lady drew plans and helped you with your electric outlets and everything so as far as having to have an architect we didn't.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  I I sorta did my own dimensions. And Donald's real good at that he's
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  um in fact now he's going off and on down to this Jackson State which is a community college down here and taking some engineering courses and things
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 like that. He's # he likes that kind of thing.
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 So he could help # with the dimensions you know. And {NW} and I could tell him wh- where I wanted things and he'd place them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um then we started in the fall of seventy-one building this house. {NW} And the guy that was our contractor was just a a real nice person. And if I was choosing something that was expensive he would show me something that, rather than trying to rip me off
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 you know # he would show me something that would help. I mean be a place something in place of that yet not as expensive.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And at one or two in the morning Donald and I go down there you know cause he would stay down at the lumber barn at night. He was not a unmarried in fact oh about three years ago he had a heart attack #1 and died. And #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  this town misses him. But um he was a young man when he died but um we'd go down there at one or two oh clock in the morning and say this is driving us crazy you've got to help us you know. And he'd be down there working on the books and stuff.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Just a a work horse.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um they started I think they they started laying the foundation in October of seventy-one and in June of seventy-two we moved into this house. It took them almost nine months or ni- or over nine months. {NW} But you talk about frustrated and angry #1 and uptight. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  I thought I was gonna I even went down there one night just crying like everything. And I thought well maybe that'll work.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 So I went down there # boo-hooing asking when are you gonna get back on our house you know it's taken us so long we had the money borrowed you know and i- we're paying interest on
Interviewer:  #1 Oh boy. #
490:  #2 on # money and it was beginning to get a little tight.
Interviewer:  What was the problem, any one
490:  #1 Just they #
Interviewer:  #2 thing? #
490:  He just that way. He'd pull off off this job. And it rained a lot that winter and it was just solid mud all #1 the way around #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  here you know. And then some things they couldn't get in to do when it was raining you know. {NW} And i- they he only had one crew of real real good carpenters. And he knew I was gonna throw a fit if something if I had somebody up here that wasn't doing what they ought to be doing. So he would pull them off of this job and put them on another.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 You know # keep a- everybody satisfied. He's
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  spreading it too thin. And one time he put a guy on th- this lived in in town now that um he was had a drinking problem. And someti- he's an excellent painter and carpenter and everything but he goes on these little binges you know. {NW} And I came out here I left school one day and came out here and he was standing on a ladder right there at that entrance way and had that um molding that goes across the top of that entrance over there {NW} it was slanted at about a forty-five degree angle.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # And I said well wh-
Interviewer:  This won't
490:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 do. #
490:  stop the music. So um I went down and told John I said I believe that you need to pull him off of that job. But see the wires sticking out right there that my husband wired the house for the sound system. #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 And he's #
490:  never gotten around to putting the
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 the # speakers in.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But that's one of his projects. He's got that project going and then our patio is not bricked. And we we're built into a side of a hill.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And they dug out Donald got there with a bulldozer and dug out because I didn't want that end of the house sticking way up out of the ground you know. {NW} So we built the house sort of into the side of the hill here. And our patio is about it has a wall that's about five feet lower the floor of the patio is about five feet lower than the the ground level outside. And there's a brick wall built all the way around it and Don said he's gonna brick the floor of the patio this summer. That was he was gonna do that last summer and he's says he's gonna do it this summer. I don't know #1 whether he will not #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Because he has he works long hours.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  He's would have to do it you know after about light. We would have to turn on the lights outside so he could do it. And I don't whether they would get around to doing it. {NW} But um we have three bedrooms downstairs and two baths. And then upstairs there are two bedrooms and a study area and we have a large attic that we're going to enclose and make a playroom for the boys. And put a bath up there.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Whenever Ben gets big enough to you know but he's just six months old now so It'll be a year and a half two years before I'd ready to send him upstairs by himself you
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 know. {C: exhaled} # And I don't know that Don's gonna be real thrilled about having two or three year old little old brother running around with him anyways. we're just waiting to see what we're gonna do about that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But Donald has papered the foyer and the back hall and our bedroom. He did it last spring he's a real good hand I
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: think}. he's # expensive though. Cause he takes so long.
Interviewer:  Well I think that's uh that's nice if you can do a lot of the work
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 yourself. # Makes it
490:  He uh he's real proud of it.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 You know. # The fact that he could do what he did. An excellent job but we started in on on Saturday morning and um I was gonna help you know. Help hang up paper and everything and by noon I decided I'm gonna let you do this yourself. I couldn't do anything right. #1 I was in too big a hurry. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  You know I want.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  This kind. And he's slow. Tedious and wants everything just exactly perfect you know. But I quit.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
490:  #2 I h- # I flaked out on him. I said #1 gotta go. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  I'm going get out of here before we get into a real fight on this #1 paper. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  But it looks real good. And um he he's helps me around here he's a any of the yard. He works in the yard #1 a lot. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  He set out oh I don't know how many fir trees these dwarf trees out here in the side you may have seen them when you passed by. This spring they're supposed to bear in a couple years couple three years. {NW} And we have plum trees and nectarines and peaches and apples and cherry. Gooseberries, elderberries, raspberries, #1 blackberries #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Is there anything else left?
490:  We're gonna have a jungle around here.
Interviewer:  #1 That's nice. #
490:  #2 My # father owns a oh about six hundred acre farm that my my brother's farming now. And it would had a lot of wooded areas before Joe got out the bulldozer.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And most of them crop land. But we went out and got uh dogwood trees and tag them you know in the spring. {NW} They're has a lot of d- dogwood out there and um then we brought them back in the fall you know. Don loaded them up and set them in the yard and so in our backyard we have a lot of dogwood.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  White dogwood and then he's bought a couple three pink dogwoods so Whenever our trees mature and get a little bit you they're all pretty short now. But uh we're gonna have a yard full of gon- I'm gonna be out there with a chainsaw.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 It's gonna look it's {C: laughing} # crowded enough as it is.
Interviewer:  Oh that'll be nice though.
490:  Yep I'm hoping that it'll get it will be pretty but he puts fertilizer on the lawn like and course I'm the one that mows it in the summertime. And when it rains this yard needs mowing about twice a week.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Because he just keeps fertilizer poured to it. You know and spraying and then he keeps reseeding everything cause we have a pretty yard it's green and everything. But {NW}
Interviewer:  It's a lot of work.
490:  Yeah. It is but gives me something to do. Exercise.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Exercise-wise.
Interviewer:  What kind of grass is it?
490:  It's uh n- Kentucky number thirty-two Kentucky fescue
Interviewer:  #1 Got it down. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I've heard that too many times. #
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  A friend of mine up the street came down y- yesterday and she said they had redone her air conditioning unit. She had her unit had gone out {NW} and uh where they had dug up all around it they put a different size in and everything. They had dug it all up and made a loblolly out there. And she wanted she said I know y'all got grass seed. Have you got any to spare? I said I think he's put every bit of it on the yard. Cause she wanting to replant around where they had torn up so much around her air conditioning unit but I rummaged but I couldn't find any. I said he must've poured every bit of it on onto the yard cause I didn't have any.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  There's fertilizer and bark and everything back there. The only thing that Donald he's really a good hand of And he likes to be nice and neat and everything. But he'll work in the yard all day long but he will not put up the equipment. Or clean up after himself.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  He wants things to look nice {NW} but I just walk on behind with the broom you know #1 or dragging #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  the hoses back and everything. Because he'd leave it just sitting out just do that
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: clear} # That's the way he is about his person. He's nice and neat and wants all his clothes just perfect and everything. But he'll just leave a trail of stuff
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 you know {C: laughing} # getting himself neat.
Interviewer:  #1 That sounds familiar. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Yeah I guess all women have that complaint.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # About their husbands.
Interviewer:  Yep. Well you mentioned the living room in well do you consider the living room a uh the best room in the house
490:  #1 No. #
Interviewer:  #2 where you would entertain # company or or
490:  Oh you mean for yeah uh now we don't use this back the dining room. We've never eat-eaten off of it. {NW} The living room I've only let's see. When we have several couples in like when there's a ba- baseball game I mean a football game or something on that most of the women are not interested in then we come in here.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But as and far as having cocktail parties and things like that when I have a big party then we use the living room.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Um or like you know when you're here and somebody's else is in the back you know that's when I use the living room. Or when I'm playing the piano and that's about it. But it's the best room in the house but it's never used.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And a lot of our friends now that are building homes are not building living rooms into their h-houses. They're having what they call a grate room.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  You know it's just one big room in the house and th- they use that for all family living.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 Sometimes they have a # recreation room you know s-separate from that. {NW} But uh they don't not building living rooms much anymore.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  But we use our den for everything because it's large and it's got enough room so the kids can watch television in one area of it you know #1 we can still sit #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  back and have a conversation over on the sofas.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard of a living room called by any other name?
490:  Well I used to call it a parlor.
Interviewer:  Parlor.
490:  That's uh
Interviewer:  Would you say that's an old fashion
490:  Yeah that is {D: you don't} {NS} We have a some friends who bought a real old home here in Dresden. And they're redoing it and the process that {X} for about three years they're living there but they're redoing it. And she has uh what the well used to be the parlor. You walk in the foyer of the house
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And there's uh the dining room on one side and what used to be the parlor but the people who lived there before them the elderly people called the parlor
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  but they're used she calls it the living room now.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  But it's originally was a parlor.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um parlor and and living room I guess about the only I don't like that word. Parlor.
Interviewer:  Parlor. #1 Why? #
490:  #2 It's a really # Well it's uh you keep saying it. It's really distra- it's one of those words you know you keep saying it it sounds so funny.
Interviewer:  #1 Well you can do that to about anything. #
490:  #2 You say it over and over again. Yeah # but parlor just really turns me off.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: For some} reason {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #1 Okay fair enough. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Now what about sitting room? Have you ever heard it called #1 that? #
490:  #2 Yeah. # I have.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  But that's an old term too.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Have you ever been in a house with a fireplace?
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I'm gonna ask you a few a things about the fireplace.
490:  I've got one right back there in the den.
Interviewer:  #1 Ah-ha. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Do you use it?
490:  Uh-huh. Every winter. It's uh a chore. And but it we really enjoy it. In fact from about oh Thanksgiving on until the first of March we use it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Uh I don't think that it helps conserve energy at all because well mother and daddy had given us a glass fire screen for our it was our past Christmas present. We hadn't gone and picked it up yet because I hadn't found the one that I wanted #1 yet. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  But uh they are very helpful you know closing the glass up and everything when you're not using the fireplace.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But right now like when when the fire dies down at night then all your warm air is sucked right up the chimney.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: and out}. # So I'm hoping that the fireplace fire screen will help a lot.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  But you were talking about fireplaces.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 It was interesting. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What do you call the open area in front of the fireplace? It's kind of an open space. Right in front of it.
490:  #1 The hearth? #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # The hearth? Mm-hmm.
490:  That's what I uh when we were built the fire from when we were in the process of building the house I couldn't decide whether I wanted a raised hearth or whether I wanted the hearth that's you know even with the floor. And I decided that I wanted the one that was flat and even with the floor.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 Our hearth # is not raised.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And I wanted chairs that went up right next to the fireplace. And I thought that bricked fire you know a raised hearth and everything would be a little besides I wanted my den a little bit more formal you know
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 than a raised hearth is. # Usually r- raised hearth they real very casual you know and I have the mantle that is it's an old mantle that we found in an old house. And they refinished it for me. And um there's paneling all the way down to the mantle and then our mantle is dark.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 And # it's more formal than you know than I thought that a raised hearth would call for.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And I put the wingback chairs you know on either side of the hearth.
Interviewer:  Now what is a wingback chair?
490:  Wingback chair is what you're sitting in.
Interviewer:  Oh I see.
490:  Uh-huh. There's all different kinds of that's a Queen Anne wingback but um some of them are wider than that. The ones that are in the den are not as tall as that one. But they're they're wide the backs of them are wider.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Some of them are squatty and wide you know. And others real tall. Mother has a real tall wingback that's not comfortable at all.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And um it was my grandmother's but usually use them f- some of them called fireside chairs and then there's wingbacks and I I don't know I'm not up on furniture styles really enough to know but that's my favorite right there.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  One of these days I'm gonna have two blue chairs here on either side that's a hunt board. And on either side of my hunt board And then I'm gonna re-cover my dining chairs in a rust and gold and blue stripe. And then make me a {NW} a piano bench.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  That will match it. And I do some cruel work you know but
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 needlework and everything. And I # going to my sister-in-law is a artist. She can draw just about anything {X} and I'm gonna get her to design the fabric and then I'm gonna do the cruel work for the piano stool. One of these days.
Interviewer:  Mm. What kind of chairs would you call those?
490:  Uh they are the chairs that go with the dining suit. They're the I don't whether they're call master's chairs or captain's chairs. Each company you know calls them #1 something different. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  But they're just the the two armchairs that go with the dining suit.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And those chairs over there without arms?
490:  Uh-huh. They go I have eight chairs that go. My table e- extends to seat eight.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  And I don't know if that'll ever room right there to do it but uh. Donald says he doesn't understand what we had to have a table for if he I'm not gonna let him eat off of it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And I said I'm not gonna let anybody eat off of it until I get a pad to go on it because I don't want it scarred up you know. Besides I'm just not into real formal things you know. Serving stuff like that. One of these days I may do that. But until my children get a little bit bigger I'm not letting them eat on this gold #1 carpet. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  {NW} And I'm gonna put um oriental rug here in the center of the floor and one out there in the foyer. One of these days.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 There's all kinds # of projects that I've got in the back of my mind. That I like to you know work on year by year.
Interviewer:  Well that's good {D: then}.
490:  But when we first well we lived in the house for three years and there wasn't anything in this room except my piano. We just add a little bit at a time. I d- I it's course there there's dual reasons for that but one reason we don't have the money to furnish that all at once and besides I wouldn't want to do it all at one #1 time I don't think. #
Interviewer:  #2 No. #
490:  It's more fun to have something new #1 you know every once #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  in a awhile. I just got this picture oh two couple three months ago. And until then there wasn't anything on the wall.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 And I just # add a little bit as we #1 go along. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
490:  That's more fun that way.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Bragging about I got something new.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  That's right.
490:  It's really an unusual thing. My sister made the picture here. My sister-in-law.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  She's um doing some ceramic work.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
490:  And um she made the picture for me and she's in the process of making the big bowl
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
490:  that goes with it. And um I'm real proud of that she she does an excellent job.
Interviewer:  Now she's not um patterning it after the old fashion place you know where men wash their #1 face #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #1 Oh is that right. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. Like a # I what do they call that wash bowl or something?
Interviewer:  #1 I'm just not sure. #
490:  #2 Wash picture. # Anyway. That it has the bowl that goes with it and it's real big.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And whenever I get my blue chairs over there I think that'll be real pretty.
Interviewer:  Yeah it will be nice.
490:  Okay. I had the kids pictures made and I didn't have any place to put it in the den. I didn't have a pic- a picture frame for it yet so I just brought it in here and stuck it on the hunt board.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  But I've got lots of things that I want I want to do but I I got lots of time to do it so.
Interviewer:  Yes.
490:  It's taking my time we're invested in a pontoon boat this spring instead of furniture though.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 We're #
Interviewer:  Donald said he was gonna get something for himself.
490:  #1 So we invested #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  in a pontoon boat. And we're going up this weekend and {NW} stay up there {NW} with it it's real nice. You can put the
Interviewer:  Where do you take it?
490:  To Kentucky Lake. You know where that is? That's Tennessee River you know bisects Tennessee you know around here like this and uh there are the Cumberland River joins the Tennessee River and then you can get to the Mississippi River.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Off this but uh the Ohio and the Cumberland and the Tennessee are all in and Mississippi are all in this area you know. We have a lot of water recreation areas. And um the T-V-A when they built Kentucky Dam then created Kentucky Lake. And most everybody in this area goes there. Course we have Reelfoot Lake.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm yeah mm. #
490:  #2 You know down around {D: Tensionville} # But as far as u- you know boating and things like that that's just cause there's cypress stumps all
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah I know what you mean. #
490:  #2 through that thing. #
Interviewer:  I was {D: out in} that thing {D: where} we ran over several
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  in a rowboat.
490:  But uh it's good fishing area but we're not into fishing much.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  So we take gonna put the boat in in Kentucky Lake. We just bought it last Thursday and we only got about a couple hours on it last weekend because Donald's in the National Guard
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  and he had to go on overnight guard trip #1 last weekend so. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  It put a damper on our #1 boating trip #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  But we're just you know real excited about going this weekend.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But um it can seat fifteen and it can pull four skiers.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  So course we don't have any skies yet but we're gonna work on that project #1 too. Cause I #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
490:  really like to ski.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And um
Interviewer:  Do you know how to?
490:  Mm-hmm. I learned oh when I was about ten years old and my parents never owned a boat but my aunt and uncle did and then we had lots of friends you know that lot of people around here
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 own boats # because it we're so close it's just about forty-five miles
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 to Kentucky Lake. # And it's a real nice area up there they have a lot of resort areas. Plus the state has a a hotel there.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And a park.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: Paris Landing} # State Park is there. And um there's lot of resort areas where you can dock your boats. And we went up Memorial Day Weekend not Memorial Day but the Sunday before Memorial Day and you couldn't stir them with a stick. You couldn't ski because there were so many boats that they would kept they kept the water so stirred up
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  that it was really difficult and that's a big place. Course we don't we don't ski in the main channel Tennessee River because it's it's really rough all the time. The big barges come down through and everything but there's {NW} {D: solid} Blood River and Cypress Cove and just lot of little areas off of it. And a lot of our friends here have campings up
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 there. # And i- this one friend in particular when we go up sometimes on the weekend you know and stay with them. So now we have something to contribute.
Interviewer:  Right.
490:  He's an orthodontist here in in town and he had um he has a pontoon boat and a two speed boats and a huge sailboat
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 that you can sleep on # overnight.
Interviewer:  #1 Wow. #
490:  #2 And he # has four children. #1 And um #
Interviewer:  #2 Must be {D: great} #
490:  he's uh he's a good friend now.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # We call that his friendship. No I'm just kidding. We've been buddies long. And uh they have a nice cabin and we go up and stay sometimes overnight you know with them.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I love to sail too. Have you ever sailed?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Oh that's fantastic.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah a friend of mine and #
490:  #2 I was really lucky. #
Interviewer:  I went up to Lake Martin years ago his uh his family had a cabin up there. And um got out that sailboat and it's first time I'd been in one and you know where you have to
490:  #1 Oh I know. #
Interviewer:  #2 lean on those things. # And you just your head's skimming across the
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 top of the water like that. #
490:  But it's great.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  They have a little uh {D: cabin around have two cabin rands} and whenever there's my cousin and his wife own one of the cabin {D: rands} and then this other couple on the other one. And they race sometimes. They get up a good wind comes up you know and that's they're gonna kill themselves #1 {D: right here} because they're #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  they're really reckless. Trying to beat each other you know. And I was gonna ride with Joe the one the orthodontist. And he I didn't know what I was supposed to do but from one of those things to the other you know you have to prac- crawl from #1 {D: one to other was} like little cats. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. Mm-hmm. #
490:  And that thing s-swing around that sail swing around he'd say duck gas it and I was just in constant work the whole time.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 I thought # oh I gotta get off this thing.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: That is supposed to be fun} #
490:  #2 but the other sailboat that they have is # was you can sleep eight on it.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 so it's a big # boat and that you just lie there on the top and go to sleep on the top of that deck you know it's it's really great I enjoy it a lot. I hope that my children enjoy the water already
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 When Don was # three he could swim.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  And I was {D: Don} patiently
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 taught him # to swim. But I was not I mean he I wouldn't trust him off by himself of course you know and we were on a speedboat and another speedboat these friends of ours pulled up beside us and said Don you wanna ride with us? Without a life jacket or anything he jumped off into the water right out in the middle of the Tennessee River.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And started swimming over to that other boat. I was petrified. He made it. Course we were all going one guy jumped in the water you know making sure that he did but he's not not afraid of the devil.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah I guess #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 not. #
490:  #2 And he's # Woo that scared me so badly cause I thought mm that he didn't even think about it. You know just #1 and he was #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  about three and a half years old. But that was our first experience. Last year in Florida we were in out on the beach in front of the house that we were renting and we saw two two or three sand sharks.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 Not oh # hundred feet from shore. And um I couldn't get him out of the water. He's staying hey mama look, look at the sharks.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 And I said come on #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: come up here} {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 {D: get here oh} {C: laughing} # But uh they had a lot trouble
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  middle of the summer last year down there with the sharks #1 attacking some people. #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  #1 They're sand sharks. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  They're small sharks but they're still dangerous.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But it we're not going back down there this summer. We're staying up here and and getting trying to get our our money's worth out of that boat.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um I I got so you know I was a little bit afraid I guess I didn't see Jaws but I read the book.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: so I was scared} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. I I missed out on Jaws.
490:  Well I didn't either I didn't waste my time I read the book #1 and it's a #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  bunch of malarkey.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  They have another one now out with Robert
Interviewer:  #1 Jaws two #
490:  #2 Shaw The Deep. #
Interviewer:  #1 The Deep oh yeah. #
490:  #2 Well yeah The Deep. # But uh it's supposed to be even more lifelike
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 than Jaws # where they use real sharks instead of that apparatus that they had built {NW} to look like a shark.
Interviewer:  no. Just more sensational #1 I guess. #
490:  #2 Oh I know it. # These movies that they've got out now. Earthquake and fire
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 and # blood. I don't think that's a but #1 all it does is scare everybody to death. #
Interviewer:  #2 That's a lot of {X} Yeah. #
490:  And they'll sit there and watch that stuff.
Interviewer:  Mm. I made the mistake of going to see just for a lark uh what's the name of that thing. Uh Midway or something like that. It was done in they call it {D: sense surround}
490:  Yeah I saw that advertised on television.
Interviewer:  Oh well. {NW} If it ever if it ever comes back don't go see it. Don't go {D: where} see anything that advertises as {D: sense surround} because I walked in and there were these enormous banks of speakers on both sides of the auditorium inside the theater and down on the stage so w- banks of of speakers I mean big things you know like the size of this size of this uh this wall. And uh well they would have uh a sequence on film of of uh airplanes taking off of an aircraft carrier and those speakers get cranked up and it was like you were standing next to one of those next to one of those planes you know. You didn't hear the sound so much as you felt it. And I was
490:  Ooh that'd drive me #1 crazy. I would #
Interviewer:  #2 I know. #
490:  get up and leave.
Interviewer:  And course there were there were bombing scenes.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I think I actually felt like someone dropped a bomb on top of you. Just like that. I mean it just make you shake. It's uh one of
490:  #1 I think my imagination #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  is vivid enough
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 without having to #
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  beat my head up against a wall
Interviewer:  Don't need to open
490:  #1 I remember when used to have #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: to do that} #
490:  three-D movies.
Interviewer:  #1 I don't think I #
490:  #2 I don't know well you're not old enough # to have seen a three D movie. {NW} We used to go down to the big uptown theater down downtown it's closed up now it's a Masonic hall now
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 but # That uh that used to be the thing on Saturday afternoon you know or Thursday nights it on during #1 summertime. Course I #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  I was never allowed out of the house during the week you know because I was supposed to be studying and everything but get those three-D glasses on and everything and go watch my and then the first time that I ever saw anything in a I don't know what they called it then it was the same thing sensor it do same thing as Sensurround but it wasn't didn't have the sound and #1 everything around #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  the screen you know what I'm talking about. I
Interviewer:  #1 {X} Yeah yeah. #
490:  #2 something like a cinema or something like that. # And I I saw several movies like that um how the west was won I saw in whatever cinema whatever it was called in Memphis. And that it really is lifelike a stage coach went off of a cliff or something
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  #1 And you just felt like you know you're going off with it you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  A rollercoaster's going
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: over them} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 You know you feel like # oh they're really strange sensations.
Interviewer:  They have some strange gimmicks with movies. One time they had something called {D: Smellavision} And you {C: laughing} They actually
490:  #1 Oh yuck. #
Interviewer:  #2 they thought {D: it was going to be} # giving off various scents you know. It was supposed to be coordinated with what was going on
490:  ooh
Interviewer:  on the screen. It was strange. {C: laughing}
490:  I guess so.
Interviewer:  Always wondered if there would be an appropriate thing movie about a stockyard or something
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 gross #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Oh me.
Interviewer:  Well I'll get back to the fireplace for a minute.
490:  Mm-kay.
Interviewer:  What do you call those uh those bigs chunks of wood that you burn in the fireplace?
490:  Logs?
Interviewer:  Just logs.
490:  Mm-hmm. Uh since Daddy has a farm we have not had to buy any firewood yet.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  A quart of wood and around here cost about forty dollars.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
490:  A quart of wood in Memphis is about a hundred and twenty-five dollars. And um forty dollars when Donald can get out with a chainsaw #1 at the farm you know #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  and cut down white oak trees. You don't cut down any other kind of tree if you got white oak white oak cause white oak burns better
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  Than any other kind of wood in a fireplace it doesn't pop #1 you know and last #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  a long time and um so he would every winter. But he waits until it gets so blame cold you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  to go out there I told him I don't know why he didn't cause you have to let the wood cure a little bit you know before it'll burn good cause you put all green logs in there and it's it's a good fire after it gets going.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: you know} # But it takes a long time for it to get rolling.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  {NW} But um. We d- have everything big area out there on the patio you just. But we can go through it like crazy.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I mean. # But that is the nicest thing
Interviewer:  #1 yeah. #
490:  #2 on a cold winter's night # get up there in front of the fire now I gave us a I uh popcorn popper for part of our Christmas present. And um that's fun the kids like to do
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 that you know. # Put popcorn hold it over that
Interviewer:  #1 Oh really. #
490:  #2 sticks {D: up} # Gets hot #1 you know your hands #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  get hot but There's all kind of but it's messy too. That and
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 marshmallows in the fireplace {C: laughing} # Don did that last winter and that was messy had marshmallows all over the hearth and everything
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 it's {X} # But it's fun.
Interviewer:  Well what about the wood that you use to start the fire you know the kind that
490:  #1 Kindling. #
Interviewer:  #2 burns. # Kindling.
490:  Uh-huh. And um where we got our kindling from this uh elderly colored man down at the plant has a junkyard that he just started off down the plant is down sort of a wooded #1 area. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  And across a lake and um there lot of people bring stuff and fill in you know off the highway there. It's not it's not a dump but it's it's a dump but it's not garbage and things like that. It's industrial waste.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  That uh like at a kindling I mean in a saw mill. Then they bring a lot of the sawdust and stuff and fill it in cause the city's trying to fill in part of it.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And um this colored man had um told one of the companies down there to bring all this wood and everything and dump in there and it's the best kindling you ever #1 saw. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  So Donald will stop up there and ask him for a whole truckload of that about oh about once a winter.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  So we use that for kindling and that's just the greatest thing. First winter that uh we lived here they didn't clean out the attic good. You know they had a lot of boards and stuff like that. So we just left it piled it up in there and we burned stuff out of the attic.
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: For} started # kindling stuff you know. {NW} And these friends of ours that are remodeling this old house uh they were tearing down the staircase and everything and they were living in the house but they built a new fireplace in there and so Wayne just went up there and tore down the staircase a little bit at a time. He used it he used it for kindling I said if that's not white trash living I
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {X} {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 He's gonna break up the furniture and everything. # Feeding the fire to keep yourself warm.
Interviewer:  Oh that's funny.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Good mm} #
490:  But he got his staircase torn down.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Oh yeah} Very very economical. #
490:  #2 And he didn't have to cart it off either. Burned it up in the fireplace. #
Interviewer:  #1 Very practical. {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 That's right that's right. {C: laughing} # They have a really a fine home now.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Redone it looks ooh it's beautiful.
Interviewer:  Well what do you these things that you lay the logs across inside of the fireplace.
490:  andirons
Interviewer:  andirons. Ever heard those called any other anything else?
490:  Uh. Something dogs.
Interviewer:  #1 Dogs. #
490:  #2 Dog irons. #
Interviewer:  Dog irons?
490:  Dog irons I think is what I I remember my grandparents calling them dog irons I believe #1 is what they called them. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. # Mm. I meant to ask you a second ago about kindling. Have you ever heard that called uh by any other name? Just kindling.
490:  I don't think so. Just kindling is all I ever
Interviewer:  What about light wood?
490:  No I've never heard that term.
Interviewer:  People in my part of the country call it that.
490:  #1 Light wood. #
Interviewer:  #2 Light wood or or {D: lightered} #
490:  #1 Lightered. #
Interviewer:  #2 Kind of contracted. # You know.
490:  Oh I see. I never heard that before.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  That's interesting.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 I think I'd like to # do what you're doing.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Well # for the most part uh uh things are pretty much the same in this part of Tennessee and South Alabama with just a few exceptions. That's one um another one that I {D: will} get into now you know this this animal with the hard shell that can {D: throw} his head in. Kinda like the
490:  Turtles or terrapins.
Interviewer:  {D: What} what's the difference.
490:  Um terrapin's shell is shaped differently. Um I heard my son explain this to my father the other day. Daddy said that he had found a turtle out on the patio at their house. And Donald went out there and he said Pop that's not terr- turtle that's a terrapin. {NW} And Daddy said well how can you tell the difference and this this is an eight year old's explanation so I don't know whether it's true or not but he said that a turtle shell is rounder. Is more round. And a terrapin has sort of um sharp corners.
Interviewer:  Mm. Yeah.
490:  Comes out you know like like that like a mm {X} what I'm thinking of is a wave #1 Way a wave does you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm {D: yeah I know what you} #
490:  And uh the coloring is different on the back too.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And that's what he said.
Interviewer:  Well does it make any difference as to where they live like one stays around the water
490:  #1 I #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: one's} #
490:  think a terrapin is more of a land #1 animal. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
490:  And uh we used to where mother and Daddy live there's a big they live up on a high hill and a lot of trees and everything. And there's a creek that runs down the one side. {NW} And there were always a lot of terrapins and things that came up i- #1 on #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  live around in our backyard and everything. And they course they'd go in they're mean as a snake they'll bite you #1 if you're not careful #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  and we used to act real low and take matches you know um thinking and he'll come out of his shell if you hold a match underneath him.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  That was ugly. But
Interviewer:  #1 {X} you know. #
490:  #2 We used to do it. # We did it all the time. {NW}
Interviewer:  So have you ever heard a terrapin called anything else.
490:  #1 Mm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Besides that. #
490:  Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  Well that was what I was getting around to. A lot of well older people in South Alabama {D: would} call a terrapin a gopher.
490:  A gopher.
Interviewer:  A gopher. Course most people up here a- #1 associate it with some kind of rodent #
490:  #2 Gopher {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 or something like that. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  But the terrapin is a gopher
490:  #1 Oh I didn't know that. #
Interviewer:  #2 to a lot of people in South Alabama. # Yeah. Strange.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} Let me ask another fireplace question. {NW} The uh the stuff that forms on the sides inside the fireplace that black stuff what do you call that?
490:  Soot.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And when the wood burns down there's nothing left but the
490:  Ashes.
Interviewer:  What color are those usually?
490:  Gray.
Interviewer:  Gray.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And say the top of a house that the smoke comes out of.
490:  Chimney.
Interviewer:  What about the the tall thing that you might see at a factory. #1 That the smoke c- #
490:  #2 Smokestack. #
Interviewer:  You call that a smokestack. And the thing that you're sitting on.
490:  Uh I used to call it a couch all the time I think I call the den couches couches
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  For some reason I call the living room one a sofa.
Interviewer:  Sofa.
490:  It may be that this is more formal #1 or something. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #1 But usually #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  Well now I have a the long couch back there and then I have a loveseat so when I when I call them in conjunction with each other if I say I say sofa and loveseat.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But when I'm just saying Don get yourself up off of that couch
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 with those dirty # pants on. #1 You know. It's couch. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  I don't say sofa when I'm just coming up for some reason #1 I'm not #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  I wondered about why I do that. But this is always sofa.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Mm. And have you ever heard uh a sofa called
490:  #1 {D: Yeah.} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  What you mentioned a while ago the Davenport I've hear- I've r- read that mostly in Victorian novels and stuff like that.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But as far as my calling it th- Davenport I #1 never have. #
Interviewer:  #2 Never. # Well what about uh some things that you would typically have in a bedroom.
490:  Okay. Um course there's the bed {NS} and chest of drawers and the dresser and there's an armoire that I'm looking at Bride's Furniture {D: the Duker} that I want so badly.
Interviewer:  Now what is it?
490:  An armoire. It's a very large it's a French piece of furniture. It's very large and reaches to the ceiling and it has two large doors that open up and then has drawers on one side and there's a place to put uh knick knacks and stuff like that.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 It's # the French used to use it you know for their closet. That's all they had for the- did- they didn't build closets #1 you know #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  in houses. {NW} But it is beautiful and I would like it I'd like to get rid of the chest that I have in there
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  and put the armoire but our bedroom's really not large enough for it. But I always wanted one in place of the chest and then there's also a lingerie chest that goes with my bedroom set that I'd like to have but I don't have any room for it. And then I have two end tables.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  All we only have the one but I have the other one ordered.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: you know.} # I been waiting three or four months for it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Yeah. {X}
Interviewer:  Well is there anything that equivalent to this armoire. That you were talking about uh.
490:  #1 No. #
Interviewer:  #2 We used to see them when before people had the the built in closets. You could move it out if you had to but it was #
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 built exclusively # for hanging clothes.
490:  Yeah um. Oh my grandmother had one of them and I can't remember what she called it. Uh Chifforobe.
Interviewer:  Is that what it is?
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 That chifforobe that's #
490:  #2 I- #
Interviewer:  exclusively for hanging
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: clothes} #
490:  And it well it has uh hers had um a mirror. It was a long mirror on one side of it and it had the other part had hangers.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: Or} maybe a rod # to hang clothes on. So when you opened it up you know you put your clothes on then the mirror was built into it on one side and then down in the middle there was some little bitty drawers down there like for jewelry and #1 things like that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # #1 {D: Would you ever} #
490:  #2 And she called it # Chifforobe.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Have you ever heard of anything called a wardrobe.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What is that?
490:  That's the same thing.
Interviewer:  #1 Same thing as a chifforobe #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard of a chiffonier?
490:  No.
Interviewer:  Never heard of that.
490:  That sounds like a French term too.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well what about uh the things that you have over your windows to keep out the light.
490:  Draperies.
Interviewer:  #1 The draperies. #
490:  #2 Okay. # I own drapes or draperies.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  If I'm talking about the kitchen I call them curtains.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  The kitchen curtains and the living room drapes. {NW}
Interviewer:  They're basically the same thing.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 What about these things that are on rollers. Some people have you know you can pull them down. #
490:  #2 Shades. #
Interviewer:  Those would be #1 the shades. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  And these things that are uh slanted you can adjust.
490:  Venetian blinds.
Interviewer:  You mentioned uh you were talking about the kitchen a minute ago. Have you ever seen any old houses uh that have the kitchen that's a as a separate part that's away from the house.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Is that called anything
490:  #1 Um. #
Interviewer:  #2 in particular? #
490:  Just the kitchen I guess and usually had a breezeway in between. Um I'm an old house addict and any time we go any place you know and it's got a a house that's open to tourists you know
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I worry him to death till he'll stop.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And uh cour- we have the hermitage in in Nashville which is probably I guess the best known house in in Tennessee as far as an old and it it has its kitchen separate from that. There's huge fireplaces and everything with kettles and stuff hanging from it. Like to do go and see things like that.
Interviewer:  Any idea why the kitchen #1 would be kept separate? #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # Because they didn't have air conditioning #1 like we have now and the #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Oh right} #
490:  s- smell of the cooking was offensive to ladies' and gentlemen's noses.
Interviewer:  Oh I see.
490:  And so then and the heat and everything so they #1 keep the heat and #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  everything away from the house.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh maybe a little room just off the kitchen where you might keep uh extra dishes or canned goods
490:  #1 {D: Okay} a pantry. #
Interviewer:  #2 something like that. # #1 {X} #
490:  #2 That's what I call that. #
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called differently?
490:  Um. No. Don't think so.
Interviewer:  Maybe a kitchen closet or
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  something like that.
490:  Mostly pantry is wh-
Interviewer:  #1 Mostly pantry. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  You mentioned junk a minute ago. Have you ever known anybody who had a separate room in their house where they put all their junk.
490:  My mother-in-law.
Interviewer:  What she call that room?
490:  Her junk #1 room. #
Interviewer:  #2 Her junk room. # {NW}
490:  And boy can she accumulate it. {NW} Lots of it. About once every year she'll get in there and start straightening up. I used to have one upstairs our first bedroom. We didn't have a bed or anything so when before I got organized in the house enough to know where I wanted things and and got my attic straightened up and everything I've had a a junk room upstairs.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And I got junk drawers right now in the kitchen.
Interviewer:  Junk drawer.
490:  One junk drawer. It keeps hammers and nails and you know anything that I need to screwdrivers and stuff.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 My junk drawer. # Looks pretty junky
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 most of the time. #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Sometimes in the morning when you get up you might go around the house and oh I don't know straighten up something here or something like w- what do you say you're doing when you
490:  #1 Picking up. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Just picking up
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 things. # Mm-hmm.
490:  I got if I say my house is um it's not dirty but it needs picking up.
Interviewer:  Needs picking up.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Well what about when you have a lot of dirty clothes and you gotta get 'em clean do you so you have to do your
490:  Laundry.
Interviewer:  Your laundry.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Anything else
490:  #1 Um #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: that that?} #
490:  I gotta wash clothes.
Interviewer:  Wash clothes.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And what about um things that you have to step up to get from the yard up to uh the front.
490:  Front steps.
Interviewer:  Front steps.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And if they're inside the house like going up the one floor to another you call those uh
490:  #1 Staircase. #
Interviewer:  #2 Say you're going up the # the staircase.
490:  Uh-huh. Or the stairs.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. {D: Got} an area in front of the house uh you know where you'd have might have chairs or it might be screened in #1 uh. #
490:  #2 Okay. # Um if it's screened in I usually call it a sun porch and if it's just open it's just a front porch.
Interviewer:  #1 Just a front porch. Have you ever heard that? #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Uh-huh. Um in older houses especially in the South call it the gallery I think.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And then uh around the turn of the century I think they called it a veranda.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  But uh and of course that was that was uh an old Southern term too I think. Veranda. That's what Scarlet said you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 She's you know it's {D: called} #
Interviewer:  #2 Scarlet with the veranda. # You ever you ever call it piazza?
490:  Huh-uh and that's that's a um Italian term I #1 think. #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 With a # Southern #1 pronunciation #
490:  #2 Yeah. Right. # That's right.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen a a porch that extended around the sides
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 of the house. #
490:  My mother was born in a house like that. In fact the porch went all around and her they called it the veranda.
Interviewer:  They called it
490:  Went all the way around to the back part of the house in fact um till about halfway on either side of the back part. It was that way and then it dipped in inside #1 and they had a #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  where mother did the washing and #1 stuff like that #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Well what about something like a porch that might be on another story. You ever see anything #1 like that. #
490:  #2 Uh balcony # is what I'd #1 call it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Just a balcony. #
490:  Yeah. Second story balcony or something like that.
Interviewer:  {D: Going to} ask you a oh I meant to you ask you about uh when you were talking about cleaning up this thing uh that you use to sweep with.
490:  Broom.
Interviewer:  Just a broom.
490:  I don't use that much. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 A vacuum cleaner? #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 A vacuum cleaner. #
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen a broom that uh oh that didn't have a a wooden handle but it was all straw or something like straw? {D: I don't know if} {X}
490:  A handmaid type deal?
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Yeah um they still you know you still buy them.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  If you want more so for decorating purposes and things like that Ozarks there was a man at those art film festival {X} that wasn't at the film festival but at the fall festival that we went to.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  There were man was making brooms like that and he could whip one up in about fifteen minutes.
Interviewer:  So they were still called brooms
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 though. #
490:  As far as and the little ones were whisk brooms.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {D: Imma} ask you about this expression let's say the the broom were in a corner and the door was open so that you couldn't see it and I was looking for the broom you'd say well the broom's
490:  Behind the door.
Interviewer:  And if I if I came in and let the door open and you didn't want to say that what do you tell me to
490:  Close the door.
Interviewer:  Close the door.
490:  #1 Shut it right now. #
Interviewer:  #2 Anything else. Shut the door. #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {D: You know} on some frame houses the uh on the outside the uh the uh sides overlap each other kind of like that.
490:  Uh-huh clapboard.
Interviewer:  Clapboard.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Is that is there another term for that #1 that you heard. #
490:  #2 Um. # I don't think so.
Interviewer:  Web boards maybe
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 You ever heard it called that? #
490:  {D: ruther board} yeah. But clapboard mostly.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what do you this uh the word when you get in the car you say you got to. What are you saying you're doing?
490:  Drive?
Interviewer:  Drive a car.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And the past form of that word. Yesterday I
490:  Drove.
Interviewer:  And you have
490:  Driven.
Interviewer:  Uh this this thing that uh well the entire covering on a house let's call it
490:  Roof.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And some houses have different uh different slopes
490:  #1 Pitches. #
Interviewer:  #2 of roof. #
490:  Different pitch #1 roof. #
Interviewer:  #2 Different pitch yeah. # And what about uh the area or the place where the two slopes come together like that have you ever heard of that?
490:  That's not an eave is it?
Interviewer:  #1 Uh. #
490:  #2 An eave is at the corner. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah I think that's right. #
490:  #2 Let's see that's um #
Interviewer:  Just where the two slopes meet. Place where you might have to
490:  #1 An ell #
Interviewer:  #2 Something. #
490:  Is that the ell?
Interviewer:  An ell?
490:  I don't E-L-L I don't know whether that's it or not.
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called a valley?
490:  uh-uh.
Interviewer:  The valley {D: roof} mm.
490:  I don't think so.
Interviewer:  Well what about these things on the edge of the roof that carry off the water
490:  #1 The gutters. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # The gutters.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Are those usually built in or suspended or what?
490:  Um they're just attached to the to the eave of the roof on this house.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Right underneath where the roof comes and the gutter is right there.
Interviewer:  Mm. Have you ever seen a maybe on a farm or or elsewhere a little building might have it out back for keeping firewood or tools
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 or something like that. # What would that be called?
490:  Well uh granddaddy had a tool shed. He also had a smokehouse.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And um. I think now Donald talks about building a workshop.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 You know # something outside the house.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 But there're # building regulations and he can't do it anyway can't put an out building out
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 out there. {C: laughing} # Anyway but mostly tool shed.
Interviewer:  Tool shed.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about the days before uh indoor plumbing you had an outdoor {C: metal rattling} #1 toilet somewhere #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #1 What would that #
490:  #2 Outhouse. #
Interviewer:  {NS} Outhouse
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard that called anything besides outhouse.
490:  Yeah but not not nice terms.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} talking about. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about privy?
490:  Mm-hmm yeah. That
Interviewer:  Pretty common.
490:  but not in this area much the most of us call them outhouse.
Interviewer:  Just outhouse. {X} Talking about uh w- did you say your father he had done some farming.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What {D: were have} some typical uh buildings that you'd find on a farm.
490:  Okay. Barn Chicken house. We used to have a chicken house. Um the farrowing house for the pigs.
Interviewer:  The what kinda?
490:  Farrowing house.
Interviewer:  Fairing.
490:  I don't know how you spell that I've always wondered but that's where you put the baby pigs with their with the sows and #1 everything #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  And when they're having them and with the heat and everything and
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 you know to # keep them
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 from being exposed # to the weather and everything Farrowing maybe farrowing house
Interviewer:  #1 That sounds {D: right to me} #
490:  #2 F-A-R #
Interviewer:  #1 Haven't heard that before. #
490:  #2 {D: Farin} house. # That's an old pig term.
Interviewer:  An old
490:  #1 Old pig term. #
Interviewer:  #2 Old {D: pig} #
490:  {NW} Um. This guy that lives out across from Mother and Daddy had a fine farrowing house. And it had air conditioning and everything in it. And he had about twenty thousand dollars worth of pigs in it and it burned.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And he had just built it and it had not he hadn't insured it.
Interviewer:  Oh boy.
490:  And he lost his hope and the house and then twenty thousand dollars worth of pigs. Smelled good out #1 there for a while. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Like roast pig {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Barbecue {C: laughing} #
490:  #1 That's right {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
490:  It's sad.
Interviewer:  Well what about a a place uh that would be used exclusively for storing grain maybe corn or something like that.
490:  Okay um silo.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Is what Joe calls them um else there's a separate thing he calls a granary and I don't know what the difference is.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  granary and the silo. I don't know.
Interviewer:  {D: Well} have you heard of a uh place where you might keep corn exclusively? Any names for that?
490:  Corn. Corn crib.
Interviewer:  Corn crib.
490:  Yeah. We always got mice.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Can always count on mice # to run in corn crib.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  Mm.
Interviewer:  Well what about the upper part of a barn. What do you
490:  Loft. #1 A loft. #
Interviewer:  #2 or # Mm-hmm. And before the hay is baled sometimes it's uh piled up you know #1 in a field. #
490:  #2 Haystack. #
Interviewer:  Now w- what's the shape of those just in general.
490:  Conical.
Interviewer:  #1 Conical. #
490:  #2 You j- # Yeah they uh now they're s- stacking hay you know gotten that these big machines are hay stackers.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And it's lot of people are stacking their hay in the or rolling them into big round bales.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Storing them in the fields rather than taking them and putting them in the hay loft.
Interviewer:  Mm. Have you ever heard any terms for small piles of hay swept up in a field?
490:  Mm. I don't know that wind roll it.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 That # I don't know if that's what you're talking about or not.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh uh sometimes the farmer will use a wagon. Uh out {X} you know bring it in. Anything that would call other than just wagon?
490:  Just a hay wagon.
Interviewer:  Just a hay wagon. Or have you ever seen a place where uh uh keeping hay other than the loft like the uh oh some sort of structure on with four poles and
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 a roof on it # something like that.
490:  Uh-huh. I don't know what that there was a term for it I don't know what it was.
Interviewer:  Okay.
490:  I've never seen it done
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh the place that you might keep your cows if you didn't want them to stay outside you would just put them
490:  In a barn.
Interviewer:  Just in a barn.
490:  Or lean-to. I have a little lean-to out it's out it's the barn my grandfather used to have out in old home places that's got a lean-to #1 to it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  You know. And the cows stayed underneath there {C: whirring noise}
Interviewer:  And what about the place where you would keep horses inside. {C: whirring noise}
490:  Mm. #1 Horse barn is what we always called it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Horse barn. Anything else? #
490:  Uh stables.
Interviewer:  Stable. Where would the cows be milked if they were being milked inside.
490:  Mm. Dairy barn.
Interviewer:  #1 Dairy barn. #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Okay. Have you ever uh heard of a place where a farmer might have his cows until he got a lot of manure there and he uh used it you know for fertilizer.
490:  Uh.
Interviewer:  Would you call that #1 anything #
490:  #2 Uh-uh. #
Interviewer:  in particular? Have you ever heard the word compost?
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What is that?
490:  That's when you uh all the like leaves or any debris or anything that's on the in the yard then you pile it up. And some people put chemicals on it to make it ferment.
Interviewer:  Right
490:  Smells horrible when they do that.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 And then they use it # to put around flowers. And especially roses and things like that. {X} spring.
Interviewer:  Well what about a place where the {X} might be kept other than the place that you answered? Uh
490:  Um.
Interviewer:  If they were just fenced in or something like #1 that #
490:  #2 Pig pen. #
Interviewer:  Pig pen.
490:  Mm-hmm. Loblolly.
Interviewer:  #1 Loblolly. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh what about the kind of farm that uh uh on which you have cows being raised only for milk.
490:  #1 Dairy farm. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Have you ever heard of a place where uh before we had refrigeration where people would take things that spoil easily like milk and butter maybe down to the flowing water and put them in that to keep them cool.
490:  Um. Mother talks about the well house that they used to have. They had a had a well and then before they put the well in there was a spring that was there and they called it the spring house and they a little covering covering over it things there things laying out milk and things like that to keep them from spoiling.
Interviewer:  #1 Yo- #
490:  #2 In the spring house. #
Interviewer:  You ever heard of people putting it down the well to keep it #1 cool? #
490:  #2 Suspended? #
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # In books, but I've never heard of any really I really like {C: phone ringing} #1 Excuse me. #
Interviewer:  #2 Go ahead # What about uh uh an open place around a barn where the animals might just walk around.
490:  #1 Barn yard. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Just a barn yard. And the place where your cows would graze you call that
490:  Uh pasture.
Interviewer:  Pasture. Is that usually
490:  Meadow, but
Interviewer:  #1 A meadow. #
490:  #2 all that's # Meadow people don't say that around here.
Interviewer:  #1 Pasture's more common. #
490:  #2 Pasture. #
Interviewer:  #1 Is the pasture usually fenced in? #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  What about uh growing cotton. Is much of that done around here?
490:  Not as much as usual it it used to be uh. There just {X} cotton-based much anymore. I don't know maybe it's just not profitable enough in this area. Mostly it's corn and soy beans.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Do you have any idea of # type of work that's done in raising cotton?
490:  Mm-hmm. I've tri- I've picked it before the uh the fifteen minute job. I quit.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Lot of hoeing and everything. {X}
Interviewer:  What would what's meant uh by chopping cotton.
490:  They have grass growing up even before they had all the herbicides and insecticides and #1 all this #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  and everything and they still have to you know plow it but chopped cotton oh before they had everything was mechanized and cotton I think is uh delicate when it's growing
Interviewer:  #1 And it's #
490:  #2 Mm. # rather difficult to get all the grass and everything out of it.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  A machine.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  So we still have {D: holders}.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Chopping cotton. Kids around here usually used to and then when I was in high school people chopped cotton and pick cotton to make extra money you know.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 Kids in # high school. But now just very seldom do you ever see a cotton crop.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Especially in Weakley county.
Interviewer:  Mm. Well anything in particular uh you call the type of grass that grows up that you don't want? Or is just just referred to as grass?
490:  Well weeds grass we have a problem around here with Johnson #1 grass. #
Interviewer:  #2 Johnson grass. #
490:  Yeah and it just take over the world with it.
Interviewer:  What about kudzu I {D: can} say too much about it.
490:  Um there's some in town.
Interviewer:  It's just about taken over South Alabama.
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 I shoulda # brought some
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: I could've used it} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Have kudzu all over the floor. What about uh uh the place where your cotton or your corn grows. You say it grows in a big
490:  Field.
Interviewer:  Was uh uh talking about fences in a field what type of uh fencing might you have around a a field or a pasture.
490:  Usually now they use American wire. Um if they're trying to keep animals in they put barbed wire on top of it. We don't have any rail fences or anything like that around here. Most of them use that big American wire.
Interviewer:  Now what does this American wire #1 look like? #
490:  #2 It's just the # big s- you know it has the big squares.
Interviewer:  Oh I see. {X}
490:  That's American wire. I know some of the farm terms cause I I hear it all the time.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
490:  My brother.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh talking about fences these uh fences people sometimes have around their front yards or the gardens. They're usually white they're not these big massive things like uh a regular fence.
490:  Picket.
Interviewer:  You call those picket fences. Or maybe uh the type of fence you might have around uh a chicken yard. Something like that. Maybe a little taller than
490:  Yeah that's chicken wire.
Interviewer:  Chicken wire. Well what a- have you ever seen a a fence or a wall made out of loose stone or rock around here.
490:  Uh n- not much because all every bit of that stone has to be imported because we don't ha-