Interviewer: And if uh, somebody uh, Couldn't hear, you'd say, well, he's stone. 543: Deaf. Interviewer: Uh-huh, that's uh. 543: Deaf. Interviewer: They didn't have any hearing aids or anything, you just, 543: No sir, this-this-this-that's just all, this. Interviewer: Suppose uh, somebody went hunting and uh, {C: distorted} {C: audio cut off} Got shot, accidentally. {C: distorted} {NW} What would you call a place, say a, bullet went through his arm. {C: distorted} Say well that's, he's got a big, ugly. What? 543: Hole of {D: sow}? {D: Sow}, hole, shot in it. {NS: loud rumble} Interviewer: Okay uh, and and, to heal, you'd say, well that, that hole or that. What would you call that? 543: {NW} Heal on up? Interviewer: Uh-huh a uh, would you call it a wound or a {X} or? 543: I {D:just say}, we would call back then just a sow, that sow, where you got shot {D: heal up} {C: distorted} Interviewer: If it didn't heal, {C: distorted} Right away, and I guess Old skin around it uh, what would you call that skin? 543: Well we'd just call that's uh dead skin, is you know, is uh peeling off {X} around there you know, We just call it this this dead skin is not healing up you know. Interviewer: Did you ever hear anybody call it proud flesh? 543: I might have did, but we just mostly back that end call it {X} New names, you got lately. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # dead skin. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, you didn't have anything to put on it, did you, or did you? 543: Well, just nothing but there's something we uh, made, you know maybe put a little grease and something like that on it. Or maybe, sometime put a little, drop or two, just something {D: with weakness in it} A little grease, uh maybe make up a little grease something, uh lard, or Something like that, and put a little soda, a drop or two of turpentine or something little to make it, Interviewer: Oh I see. 543: Put that on there like that there. Interviewer: Uh, you have turpentine, but you wouldn't have uh, anything like uh, they have now to {X} 543: Nothing, no sir, no sir, no sir nothing. Interviewer: What, what uh, what did you use for your children when they were coming along? 543: Uh, own {D: sows} anyway, something while where we takes uh a little lard, and kelp, and turpentine, or something like that and mix it up. And make a salve and put on that you know. Interviewer: Did you ever have any iodine or? 543: Nothing, no sir, no sir, that wasn't. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: If it was made, we didn't get a chance to get it- Interviewer: I see. 543: No sir. Interviewer: Suppose you had a, a small pimple, say on your face or on your arm, and it got to be real big, you'd, what would you call that? 543: Well we'd call that a ringworm. Interviewer: I see. And if it was more of a pimple, and it swelled up, what would you call that? 543: Well sometime, you know, woulda, maybe call it a wart. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Look like sometimes it maybe that's what we'd call that a wart, on there you know. Interviewer: And if it got red uh. 543: #1 Well I tell you, if it got red again, # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 543: We just take some caster oil and grease that good, and it would disappear. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, 543: Course, I, back that end, probably I don't know what they call them now, {D: councils} or what they would be, we didn't have them back then too much. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Uh, did you ever have pimples that got infected? 543: Not too much. Interviewer: Especially children I think sometimes would have pimples and they get infected and they get real big. I was wondering what you call them. 543: Ah let's see. Interviewer: If they were full of something, you have to pinch them. Uh {X} Do you remember that at all? 543: {D: crow's eye}. {NW} {X} Rises Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: That's what we would #1 call them # Interviewer: #2 I see # 543: rises Interviewer: Now today they call them mostly, what? Instead of rising they say. Boils? 543: Boils. Of course, yes sir we- we would, we would have some boils, right. That's right. Interviewer: Now, is a boil the same as a rising? 543: Well almost {X} you know, yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: What would you call that stuff inside that was inside? 543: We'd call it corruption. Interviewer: Corruption. {NW} 543: Corruption. Interviewer: And uh, if you uh, rubbed a place, and your foot um, Shoes didn't fit. What would you get on sore place on your foot, what would you call that? 543: A sole, we would call it a, {C: muttering} Interviewer: A real rough place on your foot. 543: Well mostly we'd just call it a rubbed sole on the foot. Interviewer: Uh-huh And that would be full of what? 543: Corruption. Interviewer: Uh, or. 543: Uh. Interviewer: Water or something? 543: Yes sir, that's right. {C: muttering} We'd call, still call that. My corruption is white. The infected is something. Interviewer: Uh, if you had just a, a {D:rupture}, though it wouldn't necessarily be infected, it might be a, Just some water underneath there, 543: #1 Yes sir # Interviewer: #2 Did you ever hear that called humor? # Humor? 543: No sir, we didn't. Interviewer: Not sure what that means but uh. 543: Sure, we didn't call that {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh And uh, people get older, we call it arthritis nowadays, but what did people use to call it? 543: Uh Rheumatism. #1 Rheumatism, yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 Rheumatism, uh-huh. # And uh, did children have much trouble with uh very sore throats? 543: Yes sir, they had uh trouble with sore throats {X} Interviewer: And even die from, from them. 543: Yes sir. That's right. Interviewer: What did that, what would you call that disease? 543: Uh, Well. I just remember never to call it. {D: Call it sometime, call it scrap throat now but.} Interviewer: Does uh, diphtheria. 543: I believe it was a diphtheria. I remember several children That's what it was, wasn't it. Interviewer: With children uh, get very sore. 543: Right, that's right, yes sir. #1 {D: in theory} # Interviewer: #2 I see. # They might die. 543: Yes sir, yes sir, I remember now {X} Several died back over there you know when they, this- Interviewer: They give shots for it now so #1 Oh yeah, yes sir, yes sir, sure # 543: #2 {X} # Yes sir. Interviewer: I know when I was a boy, that was a real. {NS} 543: Yes sir, I remember one family where they had three small children died in one family. This, they call it the diphtheria, you know what, throat swelling and all. {D: Who} didn't have doctors like they got now, nothing. Interviewer: Kind of sad thing you see children suffer #1 Right, right, yes sir, yes sir. # 543: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And uh When you have a liver disease, what would that turn, cause you to have? Your eyes might turn real yellow. 543: Yeah, uh, diphther- was that? No I think it was diphtheria. {X} Interviewer: {D: Is it jaundice?} 543: Oh, well. {X} too much you know it is a Course, You think back in our time we didn't, some would, some would die you know and we just wouldn't know what it was. Of course. I've seen people like that. But I wouldn't know what it was back yonder. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh, what did you use to, as a boy, {NS} Say you ate your supper and you got sick and it came back, how would you describe that? 543: We call it {C: laughing}. We uh, uh pu- puke. Interviewer: Puked? Uh-huh And if somebody uh wanted to make a joke about it, what would you call it? 543: Oh uh, it Interviewer: Same thing? 543: Yes sir it's about the same thing, of course you just, We puked. Interviewer: And uh, uh, say well, you puked, you must uh what? #1 Ate too much. # 543: #2 {X} stomach. # That's it, yes sir, ate too much. {X} Upsetting you know, cause they have a soft stomach. Interviewer: And you'd say, well you must be sick, what? 543: Sick at stomach? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh In the old days, we call it appendicitis, now if you had a pain down here, what did you use to call it, do you remember? Uh 543: Well back yonder then, we wouldn't, we would've found we, we, we just didn't know too much about that. Interviewer: Maybe you called it uh, Did, did you have that word appendix, uh? 543: Well I believe it did back yonder, several years ago they called it a {D: penicide}. And and it's from eating blackberries, and blackberry seeds got in their appendix or something other, you know like that, inside of there, and that's what they would... And sometime they would put a ice bag to it you know and remove it and have it they have it you know. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: But uh, either you You got well or it was too bad. 543: Well, right yes sir, yes sir that's it, that's it, this, Interviewer: Alright 543: yes sir. Interviewer: How about uh, um Colds and sneezing and all that, uh you'd say, did you have much of that? 543: Yes sir, {X} Sneezing. Interviewer: How would you uh, How would it come about, uh, what would cause it? 543: Well they said you know from uh, you know, exposure, and turning you know, maybe getting wet or something or other you know, and of course uh You know, takes some uh {NW} Well you take {D: back that end} why they would uh, Get some tar, mm- homemade tar, get some rich pine. Pine wood and uh put it in a hole, And put a fire under it and burn it, let that tar drip down and get that tar. And uh, we'd put it in some water and drank that for that bad cold. Interviewer: Oh you would? 543: Oh yes sir, it's good for it too, yes sir, that's right. And I know {D: that back that end} that tar was real good you know and all, and uh. And the {D: stock} that we would get you know and it did have a {D: stample} or something like that where my daddy would get that tar and pour in them feathers, get some chicken feathers and pour it on there. Set the fire, let it burn, just smoke, {NW} I want some fire coal, put that tar in that steamer. Of course sir, that would be good for the children, of course they could smell it that bucket before he had that in a wooden bucket. Of course that would loosen that coal up you know, and breathe in hits you know. Interviewer: #1 It was good. Right! Yes sir, yes sir, that's right. # 543: #2 Oh you breathe it up. Uh-huh # Interviewer: And uh If coal affected your voice, you say, well, he's, he's what? {C: creepy voice} He would talk like it. 543: {X} Yes, right, yes sir. Interviewer: How, how would you describe that? 543: Well, of course you know, get that way you know uh, they would uh put uh a few drops of turpentine and some water. And um uh, maybe drink some that and uh gargle their throat with salt. Interviewer: Mm turpentine. 543: Yes sir, right, turpentine are real good you know. Interviewer: And uh You say the coal must have made him Sound real, 543: Yes sir, get him a sore throat and all, that's what we'd call it. Interviewer: So it's uh hoarse? 543: Yeah, were there {D: hoarses} {X} Right, they call that the {D: steble} or the {D: horse hair.} Interviewer: Oh 543: Oh yes sir, {D: their's throat} would swell up you know and {X} Uh, just started as a bad cold, they cough and go home you know. Some of them die if you didn't do nothing for them, they would. Interviewer: I see. 543: #1 Yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 And the uh # The feathers and the turpentine would make uh, 543: Ye- yes sir, that's it, feathers and turpentine and that tar all together burning {X} Hold it in their mouth you know, when they breathe it in their throat and their you know, nose. And then they'd blow that out and just cut it out. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes sir, {D: it'd good}. Interviewer: That's for {D: stembles}. 543: Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, somebody would have, have it out of his head, out of his throat, and then it'll settle in his chest, #1 Yes sir, right right. # 543: #2 what would you call that? # Uh we'd call that the {D:pneumonia}. Interviewer: I see. And uh, uh, could you get When you would strain to get something up, what would you call that? You say cough or what? 543: Cough. Coughing it. Yes sir, oh yeah, course you have extreme coughing, yeah they call that coughing it, cough. Interviewer: And uh, if his throat got sore, that he couldn't eat, you say, he just can't... 543: Can't, can't swallow anything, that's that's right. Interviewer: And uh, did you ever use uh anything from the druggist or? 543: No sir, we didn't ever, back in them times we didn't do it no sir. They didn't get nothing from the drug. Interviewer: Did uh, people in town use anything like uh, oh something for malaria or anything like that? Quinine or? 543: Oh yes sir, that's right, they would take some quinine and uh use quinine for that too, of course a little quinine to help it, you know. Interviewer: But country people wouldn't. 543: No sir, they wouldn't, they wouldn't no sir, couldn't get to town, we out in the country. Interviewer: And if you're sick and uh {NW} have a fever, And a, your clothes just get wet, you say well he... He what? 543: Sweating a fever off. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: Did any kind of medicine cause that or? 543: Uh #1 No # Interviewer: #2 Just, stay warm. # 543: Just stay warm mostly would be to {X} best for it You know, just cover up you know, good and dry. And of course you take back yonder olden time then, there's a little weed out there they call a golden rod. Oh boy, we would get that you know and gather it and put it wa- put it in water and brew the leaves of it you know and put it in water and drink that and that would cause you to sweat that fever off. That's good for it, you know, yes. Interviewer: Golden rod. 543: Yes, a golden rod, what we'd call it you know. Interviewer: And if a man didn't uh get well and he, he uh. He died, what, how would you, In the old days, what would you say about, how would you describe that? Uh. You might not say to his widow, I'm sorry to hear your husband died, you say, I'm sorry he, what? 543: He dead. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: Dead, yes, I'm sorry he dead you know. Interviewer: And uh. Did you ever use any other words? Uh Without dead or die in them? 543: Oh I just mostly calls you lose your husband or something, or lose your. Interviewer: Pass? 543: Pass, right, yes it's called they lose them. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir, that's mostly it. Interviewer: And uh, suppose you didn't like the man uh, Say, well I hear old such and such. 543: He, he, he dead. Interviewer: Dead? 543: Dead. Interviewer: Did you ever hear, old such and such kicked the bucket? 543: That done kicked your bucket yes. So and so done kick your bucket. Kicking the bucket. {NW} Interviewer: Okay. 543: Yes sir. Yes sir, that's-. Interviewer: And say, well, I don't know what he died uh. I heard he was sick but I don't know what he died... Died of or died from or what? 543: Don't know what ail-, what, what caused him you know. Don't know what killed him you know, don't know what he died of, from. Interviewer: And uh. Did uh, would you describe the, the funeral? Would you describe how you used to prepare the body and uh. And have the funeral and bury it, would you describe that? 543: Well, Interviewer: Could you remember it? 543: I remember back yonder, I {D: helped} make coffins. Bury men. I did it. Yes sir. We'd take a big wide plank of course and saw into it and saw into it until we could bend it and put hot water, boiling water on it, the wood would bend sort of like a coffin. Just like I said, we just gonna build a house and of course, we just, look it out you know and call, and and, yeah we takes. Maybe and put two planks together if it we didn't have plumb wide enough for you know, to lay 'em in. Of course, we would saw into that you know and sawed into it and pour hot water on that, boiling water. And we could bend it in you know, to sort of shape like a coffin. Interviewer: Oh I see. 543: #1 Yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 And you just bend the uh, the plank. # 543: In, yeah. Interviewer: fourths 543: That's right, they bent it, yes sir that's right. {NW} Shape it sort of like a coffin you know. You sawing that, it's a piece the way the {D: whole head} would bend you know, so it's straight that way you know sawing that and then pour hot water on that {D: whole head would} bend in and not break. Yes sir, and make that coffin you know and get some black cloth and. {NW} Put, put, put, clo- black make black clothes and put on them you know. And of course {X} Church or have the funeral you know and set them up there you know and have their funeral. Preach about how they lived and all like that you know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: How we miss 'em. Interviewer: Did the family uh, with the family would grieve wear black clothes? You'd say, well, they are, well they are in what? 543: In mourn, in mourn, we say yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, The uh, after the funeral, were, would you describe how they would go to the. 543: Yes sir, they, they would. {X} Let all the visitors pass by you know and open the box up where they could see 'em you know. Showing the last respect. All march around, you know, and let this family, the whole family, then let them march around and look at it you know. And all get around then and {X} Get on to the cemetery. Interviewer: And uh. Uh, did they bury the uh, at the cemetery, in front of the family, #1 Yes sir, they buried, right, no sir. # 543: #2 Or did the family leave? # Back that end, they would just bury 'em. They'd stay right there and bury 'em Interviewer: #1 I see # 543: #2 'til the last # covered up then, all march away, dismiss them. Interviewer: Okay, that's very interesting. Um, I'd like to ask you now other things about people uh. How you describe them uh, suppose somebody's uh, real strong and a lot of muscles and so on, how would you des- Describe say uh, In the old days Somebody, some young man growing up like that? He's gonna be mighty what? 543: Oh mighty stout you know and all, yes sir. Mighty strong, strong man. Interviewer: A lot of muscle. 543: Yes sir, all that big muscle and everything. Interviewer: And if somebody uh, is not so stout. And he worked hard, At the end of the day, he would be very, what? 543: Weak. Interviewer: He would be all, He might say you uh, I worked hard to day and I'm all, what? 543: {X} {NW} Yes sir. Tired. Interviewer: And uh, If uh, If he was worse than that, uh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, all what? 543: All nerves to give out. Or something else you know. Interviewer: Did you, you hear wore out? Worn out? 543: Wore out. Don't you ever say this? Wore out. In a day's work. Interviewer: And if somebody had been sick um. And you saw him on the streets, and he looked, he didn't look well. He's, he's out, but he doesn't look well, how would you describe him? 543: Well, {D: he's all} he looks bad. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: He looks pale and bad. Looks weak. Interviewer: Uh-huh, did you ever hear anybody say peaked? 543: Peaked, peakish. He look real peakish. Interviewer: That that, that means uh, weak. 543: Weak, weak, weak, weak, yes, and pale, like peakish. Interviewer: And a boy that's growing up. Too fast, and he grows, he shoots up and he doesn't know what to do with his arms. 543: Right, yes I've seen it. Interviewer: How do, how do you describe him? 543: Well he just uh, Out of fashion or something a little like that you know. {X} Interviewer: Kind of awkward? 543: Yeah, awkward, yes that's right, sure, yes sir. Interviewer: And if uh, some young girl is uh, Uh, real, full of life, uh, you say, well she's, she's what uh? {NS} 543: Well Back then we'd just call them, full of energy or too fast or something Interviewer: #1 like that # 543: #2 I see. # you know and all. Interviewer: And uh,if an older person, Say somebody in his eighties, Still gets around, uh you say, well he's mighty what? 543: Super, super, yes sir, super and uh. Lively or super and all. Interviewer: Uh. Okay, and uh. Somebody who smiles and laughs a lot and easy to get along with, you'd describe him as... 543: What, uh well I tell you what, we'd call it friendly. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, Somebody who's just the opposite, that you tell him something and he just won't believe it. Won't change his mind, what would you call him?, 543: No sir, that's uh, oh, well what we'd call it ignorant. {NW} Interviewer: Say he's just uh, 543: Shh! Interviewer: {X} Or bull headed or? 543: Yes sir or uh, Rebellious or something now that they call it, you know, yes sir, just. Wanna have his way you know and. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Suppose you talk about some lady, who gets mad, awfully easy. You can hurt her feelings and she gets mad, what do you say? 543: You call that ha- hot tempered. Interviewer: Hot temper. 543: Hot tempered, yes sir. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And uh, somebody Some man uh if you just say the wrong thing to him, he's ready to fight, what do you call him? 543: Yes sir we'd call that hot tempered, just a hot tempered they wanna fight, it just, ain't right. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you hear either of them called touches? 543: Touches, yes sir, that's right, Interviewer: #1 What is that? # 543: #2 call them # Touches. Touches. Well that's all I get, it's almost like catching up with somebody says something and you know they don't mean no harm or nothing you know. Why, or he just, touches him you know, just upset him. Interviewer: Mm-hmm, and uh, 543: Just the least little thing is upsetting is touches. Interviewer: And you might say, somebody's about ready to get, lose his temper and fight #1 Right, right. # 543: #2 just about now, just what? # Interviewer: What would you say? 543: Well just be, be, take it easy, be quiet, don't. Interviewer: Calm down? 543: Yeah, right right, calm down, yes sir, yes. Interviewer: And uh. Somebody uh, Oh, {NW} Not uh, Dirty, but just uh, You know, has things all over, uh doesn't pick up things, how would you describe her? 543: Well, We would mostly say they filthy. Interviewer: I see. You know, uh. Especially if she leaves uh, Food, money, people could come in and steal it. Yes sir. You say, well, she should be less, what? 543: Look carelessly that has this careless we'd call it you know, carelessly. She should be more uh, you know uh. Strict about that you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, somebody who uh. Oh, it doesn't harm anybody but he's, he acts uh, he doesn't act just like other people. Say well he's he's a little, what? Uh. 543: {NW} He could call him, he- he's a little off. Interviewer: I see. 543: Off. {NS} Interviewer: Do uh, {D:when your own days}, do they ever call him a little queer? 543: #1 Oh yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, he's a, # Interviewer: #2 What, what does that? # 543: {D: Quirme} Well there's just something like that you know, a {D: quirme, quirme}. He just, you know, he don't act like other people you see. And so, we don't know how to handle them. Because you, might do something or say something to him he wouldn't like, you know, what is this. {D: quire} And so, we just don't know how to handle them, we just don't {X} have anything much to do with him because we don't know what, Would suit him and what would not. Interviewer: I see, uh, you wouldn't uh, That's not a bad thing or is it? 543: No sir, it's not a bad thing, you see, that's just his way you see, and so just have to. Interviewer: Learn to live with it. 543: That's right. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And, {NW} If uh, A woman uh, Uh Is, is really concerned about her children, But she's too concerned, she's just always, what? Uh. 543: Well Always meddling you know. In their things and not doing what she ought to do. And, you know, leaving off something, uh. Oh and you know, that this, see this, don't do what she should do by the way she should do about it. Maybe she don't understand how and what's the best of what, and do things. Interviewer: If they're away from home, and she's uh, Real upset, you say, well now just calm down and don't be so, what? Uh. 543: So hot tempered or something like that. Interviewer: You ever say uneasy? 543: Oh yes sir, that's right, so. It happened to me the other day on the bus, must I tell that? Interviewer: Yeah, sure. 543: Well, I hauls all of them, you know. I said white and the black and the mix and the {X} good to 'em all I don't make no difference And so, one lady, she, told a little girl she, so tall, about ten years old. Stay at the the school and she'd pick her up. And take her to the doctor. Of course this child, during the day, had done forgotten. And I'm gonna tell you something about that, you learn how people's trying to raise the children, who is and who's not. When you haul a bunch of them out, and so, this little child come to me, she call me Mister. {B} Mister {B} Says oh I'm in trouble and crying. She said, I, when they, well see I'll pick you up before school. And got out of second {X} She says, I forgot, I forgot. {X} And I was supposed to get my mother to pick me up at the school. She says I'm in trouble and cried, I said honey don't cry, come, we come on. We went and call for her, but we couldn't find her she, you know, before school she's going here and there. And so we decided to {X} Oxford High School out here and going home, and she gonna come at the last place and pick up we thought. We got out to her home and she sitting there waiting on her you know, she gonna come on home. And I said, I said, Miss I said don't. Uh she's left a the high school. Said she oughta come on home! But then she got confused and we didn't know what to do, and she come on in and I said lay down, I said please don't whoop this child. I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that to this child, she oughta come on home after she left. She had no business forgetting. I said lady please don't do that. I said that child act like {X} She was crying and going on, say she's in trouble, I said that'd be something to {D: cheer her inch a while}. It would kill- what is happening or going on you know, and she smile and said well I'm gonna tell her. And so I said please don't, this time I said now she just forgot, and I said she is crying. I said I see you trying to raise your child you know. But, one of the next days and I asked the child did she whoop her and she said, no, she just. {NW} {X} But some of them don't care, they just, don't know how. Interviewer: But you put a good word in for her so. 543: Sure, sure, sure, that's right, yes sir. Yes sir. Interviewer: When you uh, would see a. A um. See somebody who gets along with everybody else, doesn't put on any airs. You'd say, well, she's, she's just real, what? 543: Shoot, I would, we could call her real nice. {D: amenable} Interviewer: And uh, did you call her common? 543: Common, right, yes sir, that's right, just common. Interviewer: Did you ever hear anybody mean something bad when they say, well, she's, she's no good, she's common. 543: Yeah, well, I've heard them say it but, I don' know {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Ah, there seems to be two meanings for that uh I'm not sure. It's just as you say it, I'm not sure when, when it's bad. 543: Not unless you go through with them. Interviewer: Right, right. 543: Yes sir. Yes sir. Interviewer: You say your wife is Pentecostal, Are you also? 543: Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: Uh, what are some of the other churches around here that are, Pretty strong? 543: Well It's a church up here, well. There's two more churches. Well, tell you what, it's, you know, we build churches, the same church out in the country about sixteen miles, same church up here you know. {NS} They're just to be handy, the same denomination. There's another one up here on the hill, about four and a half miles, other words right on the edge of town. It's the Pentecostal church, but, They believe in paying tithes, you understand what that intends? Interviewer: Ten. 543: Tenth of it, their earning. Interviewer: Oh, I see. 543: We don't, we free wheel Pentecostal. Interviewer: Mm-hmm, I see. 543: There's the difference between Pentecostal churches. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, what are some of the other churches, different denominations? 543: Different denomina-? Oh yes sir, there's all about here, oh it's about this church over here on the hill. I reckon that and then a second Baptist church right there in town, you know. Interviewer: Is that the strongest church? 543: This Baptist church probably. It's got the, you mean the most members. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Right, Church of Christ over here did have a bunch of {D: steel gotta sell}. Members, Church of God and Christ. Church of Christ, {D: Just to Christ} That's what they did. Yes, they sell churches around you know. Presbyterian {X} Is about the second oldest, man there's a lot of churches. The strongest church in town mostly was a {X} Baptist church. I don't know what kind of baptist it is. {X} Right at the edge of town, probably. Well yes, {D: I had a corporation I think}. Old peoples in that church. Still bigger and building it bigger. That's the biggest church in town. Interviewer: And in the old days, would you describe uh, uh, something about how you become a member and? 543: Well just, now I tell you what, yes it's starting, or uh I used to be a Baptist. Raised up like that, close to the church about three miles from the church out there you know. Of course, that's where I first started out you know. Oh that was an old tiny church, maybe that's what used to be meant people would come We was talking about that the other day Twenty-two miles in a buggy, or horseback, come in have church and go back. {X} See that's kind of a neighborhood church you know and uh want to go to that church and we had kinfolks and. We used to live there and all {X} Church, you know, they'd come in. And that's a big church there you know, and it's a Baptist you know, and of course they preached it you know and all. And uh, the priest had to be baptized you know and join the church you know, in, in, you know. Quit uh doing bad things you know, don't gamble, don't, you know. Wasn't supposed to drink, you know, such as that, you see. And of course, that's the way we did. And we lived about three miles, we'd walk. And, two going to that church why, back in them times, we'd go in a wagon. We were happy to get to go to church in a wagon on a Sunday. We'd get them old mules up through the summer and get them up at you know after {D: it done got through laying by that crop}. Put them in a lock so we'd have them Sunday morning. Well, about a day or two before Sunday, we'd get that wagon wheel off and carry it down there to the creek and put it in the creek and let it swell tight 'til the tire won't come off it. You ride it to church, get back at the {D: party} on Sunday. Interviewer: I see, that's how you'd uh Uh, I'd like to ask you more about that and then we'll come back to the church services. Uh, why would you have to uh soak the wheel? 543: Well see, it's it's like a wagon, see we had a wagon, when we set them up you know we wouldn't be using them probably for a week you know, and that wood would shrink up. And that tire would, you know, going along over the road You know that tire would slip off. Interviewer: Ah, that's interesting. Uh, would you describe to me more about how a wheel was made for a wagon? Uh, you have the tire and then what would be under the tire? 543: That would be the, well they'd call it the felloe They would call it, be called a felloe. Interviewer: Now that's that wood. 543: That's right, that would be the felloe, right under that tire, and then the spokes would be spokes you know, hook into that felloe you see. Bore holes in that there thing you know and them spokes go in that felloe they call it, it'd be a wooden rim. You would cut that rim and angle the wooden beams around. And put them together about so far And and you know, you'd cut it to where it would be the tire would be so large you know, and when you first put them on there, they would uh, oh they got a outfit they'd lay 'em down and drive 'em on you know. Of course that wagon would hardly drive in three or four years after being pushed, make a wagon. But when they get old that way, then that there wood would shrink up you know. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. And that tire, just a steel tire on top of that you know to keep that wood, and hold that wood together you know. {X} As I said that wood would shrink up you know that tire would slip off you know. But we would take it and have it swell put that water in it and that wood would swell up tight where that wouldn't come off for several days. Interviewer: And then the spokes would come down and into a? 543: A hoop they call it. Interviewer: {X} 543: Yes sir, the hoop, that's right. Interviewer: That's wood? 543: Yeah, yes sir that's a wooden hoop around that. {X} had a little {X} To go round that to hold that together you see. It's made out in the little, Little places you know, little pieces of wood you know and if they have small little rim go that steel rim and hold it together. Alright, and then they got a hole in that you see, and that's steel, of course the factory made that you know. And they'd drive that up in there, good and tight, you know, and maybe put some glue around it you see. And then put that on the axle, on the axle you see, and just. Interviewer: How, how would you uh keep that from, from making a lot of noise, when you're not around? 543: Oh well, see, uh, now on that there in that hoop, it's a, something sort of like. Oh yes, a piece of iron. #1 Drove up in there. # Interviewer: #2 Drove it up? # 543: Well, let's see. Well I tell you it's sorta like this, You suck the {X} up in that hoop you know. Just drove up in that hoop. Alright, here's, here's, here's steel. Alright, then it's only in this axle. There's another, big, big piece of axle. Steel made of course you know, and it goes through there. It sticks out, and so it's gotta. Outfit made on it that's that's screw a nut on it you see. Real tight, well you put axle grease in the {X}. Some old grease you know. On that there axle you know, Ten or fifteen miles, something a little like. Interviewer: #1 Oh you would? # 543: #2 that. # Yes sir, got regular axle grease, pull that wheel off and put that on that. Oh man they'd run, don't make no racket at all, Interviewer: hmm 543: just run. Interviewer: You put uh, you'd put that much, that often? You'd have to. 543: Yes sir, we would put, yes that's right, put about oh, maybe two, About two big tablespoon full of that grease in there, you know, yes sir, it runs good. Interviewer: I was never aware of being, uh, I think it would squeak a lot, but that grease. 543: Oh, no, no sir, that grease, yes sir, if you didn't, you could hear {NW} Wail it out too and making it right. Interviewer: I suppose so. 543: Yes sir, oh yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, sure, sure. Interviewer: Where would you get the actual grease? 543: Oh in town. To the stores you know. Uh we'd get a box you know. It wouldn't cost much, about 25 cents. Oh it'd last. Oh using the wagon regularly, it would last uh three or four months. Interviewer: Hmm. 543: Yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: That's uh. 543: Yes sir, there's Interviewer: #1 I didn't # 543: #2 some more. # Interviewer: I never understood. 543: Yes sir, I see. Interviewer: And it's something else I see that people are gonna forget. 543: Oh man man! Interviewer: They'll never know. 543: No sir, no sir, that's right, sure. Interviewer: {X} 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Okay, well I, I'd like to ask you more about the church. 543: #1 Yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 And then. # {X} Felt pretty lucky to be able to go to church in a wagon, right? 543: Right, oh man yes sir, yes sir. Walk with us, ride on the horse or something, mules. Interviewer: And uh, how would the church uh, how would the service go on, would you describe that? 543: Oh yes sir, of course we'd go to the church you know then, and of course uh. We'd have deacons. And then a bunch of members you know. Well we had the deacons, the deacons would you know open service you know. Well we'd go ahead that then and the deacon would sing a song at the beginning. And uh, then. One would get down and pray. Uh, they'd get up there, would kneel down on their knees and pray a prayer. And get up there and sing another big song you know. And another would get down and pray, about three prayers you know. And one at a time, that's the way we did it back then, the Baptists. And then get up and sing a song and then. Well, we'd turn to service then in the hands of the preacher. Then he'd get up and sing them a song you know, and take his text, whatever he wants to preach in the Bible you know. Well he'd preach then of course. People'd get happy sometimes and shout, and so when he's preaching and talking and telling the Bible, so we'd holler amen turn you know, yes sir. Interviewer: Would you call that uh, would you call the preaching, regular, you call it sermon? 543: Sermon! Yes sir, that's right, we'd call that a sermon, he preached a sermon. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh. Was somebody uh in, Uh Charge of the uh Who selected the people singing? Could you explain that? You'd say somebody would get up and sing a song. Uh, who told, who would select the man to sing? 543: Well, yes, we'd just take it on ourself, we just, officers we'd call it, you know, deacons or officers of course. We just, somebody would, have to start of course, need to start, and we just, well, it's time to start. And want to go to singing well, make some, we'd have to get down you know, and pray, why, make some get up then and #1 wanna dance and # Interviewer: #2 I see # 543: start a song. Some of the sisters over there, if they want to sing already, sing a song they actually want to sing a song You know, and they lead a song and everybody sang you know. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Uh, when you were a boy, is that about the only music you heard? 543: Yes sir, it's about all the music you would have heard then, that's right, yes sir. Interviewer: Must have been, must have sounded real, 543: {X} {X} Right, right, yes sir, enjoyed it back that end because it's all we know. Yes sir. Interviewer: I see. It's fine, I suppose it was really beautiful. 543: Yes sir, that's back there in that time. Well, and then after growing up back to Pentecostals. After growing on up. And we got around and had to make Course somebody else did what started out this other way. Like the Pentecostal. And they thought they didn't know more about the Bible than the Baptist people did, I was Baptists back that end. This missionary Baptists. And now then, this Pentecostal is, is. {X} This, uh, side of, this holiness you call it you know. After Jesus come, this Pentecostal come in you see after he died. This Pentecostal come in and and said now we call it the Pentecostal. And that is what happened on the day of Pentecost back yonder when you know, the time will it come. That uh, Well, the way we got it now, we seen it all, we back on the law then. back yonder the Baptist and the first people come up they're supposed to pay the tithe then. Course the Baptist wasn't teaching it then, but some of them- after a while some of them went to teaching that you're supposed to pay And supposed to live by it you know And not do cook or do nothing on the Sunday because you're living under the law. And by the law. And of course a lot of men they wouldn't even cook on a Sunday Back then because they was obeying the law and everything good #1 You know, they obeyed it. # Interviewer: #2 Pretty strict? # 543: Right, right, right, that's right. But now, half the, after we said. Jesus died. Well, he, he, he changed that up, you not suppo- you know when he supposed to live by that. Back yonder {X} paying them tithes. {X} one thing and another and everything. But he'd done away with that, and so now you just supposed to live just live by the word, you know. Do what the word said do and uh, uh you know. Not have to pay all this stuff you know, not have to pay you know. Back there you had to pay a tenth of your earning you know, bring that up and pay it. {X} And back then. But after he died it went away you know, he said you know, he'd done away with that there {X} Course, some folks said no, they still holding on to it, of course, we don't. We, we say he'd done away with it, and now we just pay the free will. We had free will. Pay what, you know, you're able of, what you want to pay you know. Interviewer: Do you call that uh, dues or what? 543: Due- due. Interviewer: And how do you uh, is it dues or offerings? 543: No sir, no sir, no sir, free, free, we have offering. This was never, I I wanna pay I'll feel like paying you know, well I just pay that. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Now then, the people who tithed, do they have to pay? 543: Yes sir, paid a tenth of their earning. Interviewer: And do they call that dues? 543: Yes sir, right, right, right, that's right. #1 They'd pay a tenth. # Interviewer: #2 If somebody, # Come to you and say you better, you have to pay your? 543: Yeah, right, right, yes sir, {X} And sometimes most of the time they got a box there. You bring up your tenth of your earnings you know, and put it in that box, and then after the service over then preacher gets it and puts it away. Interviewer: I see. So uh, 543: #1 We are not that # Interviewer: #2 You were already expected to # That church really expects people to? 543: Yes sir, that's what they do, do, do like that you know and all. And so I asked what we said, we don't do it. We just, well we was able to do that, we were able to pay this and that and all, we'll, we'll pay it. Just and use it for the church purpose and things you know. Interviewer: Would uh, I'm interested in the kind of expressions people might used to use. Suppose the wagon broke down, and uh, you've, you'd have to fix it you know, and. {NW} And you knew, it took a lot of time. How would you say that? Uh church would be over before. 543: Well, I see what you mean exactly. here comes some more friends coming along. Of course leave out in time to be there maybe if something happened, you know we'd have time to get there of course. Well uh, here comes some more friends along, we'd get in the wagon and go on along with us. Well maybe that man may lose a little, most of his service you know trying to get his wagon fixed to get the family back you know. They'd just get in that that wagon you know and go on to church and have their service. Interviewer: I see. 543: {X} We wouldn't pass one another like we don't see 'em, no. Interviewer: I see. 543: That's right. Interviewer: Okay. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: How would people uh refer to. To uh, the enemy of God? The opposite of God? Devil or. How, would they say the devil or what uh? How would people uh, refer to that? 543: Yes sir, of course we said you know, that the devil was you know, he's in hell down yonder. Interviewer: mm 543: And there's a heaven up yonder. And if God, if you do like God, say do you know like he said want you to do and everything, you know, when you die you will go to heaven. But if you don't, and be mean and bad and everything of course you know, that's, that's the devil's peoples you know. And you must obey the word of God to you know, go to heaven. Interviewer: And, who is it uh, you wanna, just to kind of uh. Play a joke or be funny, you didn't mean it. Suppose you wanted to uh. Caution a child. Said, now you'd better be good or what will get you? 543: The devil will get you. Interviewer: The devil will get you? 543: Devil will get you. Interviewer: They ever say any, did they ever any other words for the devil? 543: {X} Well I tell you what, people back then, they said old boogerman. #1 They call him boogerman, that's right. Old booger- # Interviewer: #2 Boogerman? Uh-huh, I see, I see. # 543: man'll get you. Interviewer: Do you ever, do you ever hear uh, old hairy? 543: #1 Not too much. # Interviewer: #2 Or Old Scratch? # 543: {NW} Old Scratch'll get you, yes sir, Old Scratch'll get you Sure that's right. Yes sir, that Old Scratch. Interviewer: Suppose uh, that you went by a house where uh, very peculiar things, spirits and things seem to to be? Uh, you remember that uh at all? 543: I'm so scared I couldn't. {NW} Yes sir that's right, and it used to be when I can't hear it people say there's never been but there's used to be haints. Interviewer: Is that right? 543: Hai{D: -nts!} Interviewer: Would you, would you recall uh. Anything you remember about that when you were a boy? 543: Yes sir, I tell you what. I, I was scared, I was scared, I was scared to get out you know, because hither be haints you know, and it dark out, I wanted to be at home. Yes sir, and out to places where people say so-and-so got killed. {D: Oh we groaning and get these shear pains} and see the lights. And I I remember, we uh, was going to church one night. And oh they would said it were hainted you know, along the road this old place where they would call it a hainted place. We run, run on that and we children sitting down in the back end of the wagon, that's why we go at night you see. They put us closer, in the day time they let us sit up on planks across the wagon. Wanna see But at night you know, why we'd get sleepy sort of and nod you know of course and they'd put us in a quilt down in the back end of the wagon you know, and let us ride back in so we can sleep and lay down in it. Go along at one night you know, along in that wagon, jumped over and rolled over a dog and he hollered like a dog you know. And a loader was on there, it couldn't kept him from killing a dog, but it'd be having {X} went back the next day and they see nothing, no dog, nowhere around there, nothing. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: People seen lights out there you know. {X} And so, they thought that this used to be something like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes sir, we call it haints. Interviewer: I've heard uh, Other people tell me that uh, That they may not exactly believe in it, but they do remember uh, smelling ghosts, and hearing things? 543: Yes, right, right, right, that's right. Interviewer: {X} 543: Yes sir, yes sir. Yes sir. Interviewer: {D: Where there be no lights} It'd be all dark. 543: Oh yes sir, sure, dark. {X} Yes sir, yes sir. And we went along that and we'd get a sheer thing dragging along side the wagon. Sheer dragging along the way. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Uh, would those things be uh, those haints, would they be, part of the devil or? 543: Well that's what we said, the devil's imps or something like that. #1 Yeah that's what they, right you know, call it the devil's imps you know, the devil's spirit, yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 Would they? # I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Uh. Well, I, I know it's not uh. Not supposed to be uh anything to it but uh, there, there. We talk, we've got UFO's now. {D: Who you're famous}. And a lot of people have seen them. 543: Yes sir, yes sir, sure. Interviewer: So you begin to wonder whether really. {NW} 543: Yes sir, that's right. Interviewer: Whether it's wise to laugh at those things or not, 543: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 There might be something to them. # 543: Of course now I'm gonna tell you I believe more in them things now than I read a little bit in the Bible but I can't tell this {X} right now but anyway, about these sheer things, all them things are supposed to be seen. They gonna be seen. All of their lights, and push one thing in another in the elements and all. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Well, anyway I'm gonna {X} like this. It's, it's like before the end of the time. Course, I don't know when the end of the times will be yet. A lot of these here signs that you see, it you know, it spoke about the would be. I don't know how you manage them or what. What they gonna bring about. But but that there's something. Interviewer: They're signs of, 543: #1 Yes right, right, right, yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 Something. # Well there's, they seem to be around so. Uh, must be something to them. 543: Right. Interviewer: Too many people have seen them. 543: Sure, sure, yes sir, yes sir, that is right. Interviewer: Uh, when you were a boy, and you'd go into town. I'd like to know more about that uh, would you describe the different places you go and. And uh. What you do when somebody would go to town. Would you describe that please? 543: Yes sir. {X} We out in the country and that way you know and all, we get in the wagon and go to town. You know, we'd get up before day. Oh, feed them horses and get up that wagon before day. We'd get up there you know, be up there by daylight. Then we'd get to walking around trading and hunting shoes and cheap shoes to put on the children and everything and all. And then most of the time. My daddy and them would wa- drive up in the wagon and hitch the tent and of course. that was here at Oxford That's why they call it and uh in the tent and hitch it to a chain around the court house. And there used to be a chain that you drive up and hitch to that, but we children stay in the wagon. And then maybe bring us a, apple or orange or something off, the wagon. Get us some water out of the wa- tank around then, drink it man we'd just have to stand there, get around, get us some shoes and stuff for clothes and all. And and bring them and put them in the wagon. Interviewer: And what kind of uh places would you have at Oxford in those days uh? Would you uh, remember the different places of business? 543: Yes sir, one place is. One place around here must be Johnny. {B} Oh he had a big store yonder. And so, he'd sell this little of everything you know, clothes, shoes, something to eat, and everything in that store there you know. And uh. Wait now, what did that man over yonder name? Ooh. Mr Sam {B} He had a store called Mr Joe {B} He had a big store. And then {B} Over here. They had a big store there. Interviewer: These uh, sold mostly clothes? 543: Well, everything, you know. They just you see had everything in them big stores. There's a big store, you know they had this, little of everything, they could dry goods, grocer, Interviewer: {X} 543: hardware, and all such as that, yes. Me and my daddy now, I I said to call this big place and you see this big place right down here? This antique place. Interviewer: This side of the courthouse? 543: It's a new place, but a eating place now. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Well, that's, that's the grandson, Mr Johnny. {B} Interviewer: Oh, is that right? 543: I look at it and think about, it used to be a gin there, ooh that's where we brought our Cotton and Gin from way out. Out in the country you know, on the wagons. Course, that, that was uh, oh I don't know just what year that was in. But several years ago. Because they used to have a, I've been going way back too far, back yonder they had no wagon, Back old gins back yonder, you put the mules to back yonder, it used to be way back yonder. When I was a boy then. {X} Move it on up, and then they had this big gin here. It's in Oxford here you know, these here big stores and all. Mister Johnny. {B} And he handed it down to his son. And then his son passed on and he handed on down to his daughter. And that's, that's what that place is there. But them. {B} They died out. And it changed over to other people's hands. Interviewer: The um. Would you uh, describe any of the other buildings around uh that you have. Uh, do you remember that colonial uh. 543: Hotel? Interviewer: Hotel. 543: Yeah, right, yes sir, that's a big, fine place. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: Yes sir, that's right. Interviewer: They're rebuilding it now uh. Aren't they? 543: Oh yes sir, right, right, sure, sure. Interviewer: Are they gonna make a hotel out of it? 543: I don't know just what they gonna do you know with that. Interviewer: A lot of work there. 543: Yes sir, a lot of work there you know yes sir. Of course you take upstairs and downstairs and there's one lawyer right there. And one {X} where they done got finished there. But I guess they were. I don't know what they gonna use it for next time, but you know when they get it fixed. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 And. # Did they have a library in those days or? 543: Not back that end, not back in the, way back yonder. {X} Way after awhile They begin to have a little room in the courthouse over here. Interviewer: Oh they did? 543: Yes sir. Small little room over there for the library. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes and then finally they build this one over here. Interviewer: I see, and uh and uh. The uh post office, do you remember that? 543: Yes sir, the big post office here. {X} Interviewer: That's a big one uh, big building I heard. 543: Yes sir, that that old post office. Interviewer: Yes uh. 543: And I see they would-they- they gonna build a new one down here. Interviewer: Uh it's much smaller in that new building. 543: Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: Who built that old building, is that uh? 543: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 543: {C: Name?} Interviewer: Is it uh? 543: Building, you know, yes sir. Interviewer: And the money came from uh, the state or uh? 543: State and, different parties you know. State and federal, was it federal? #1 I don't know exactly just why they'd. Yes sir, # Interviewer: #2 That's all federal. # 543: {X} It's all federal. Interviewer: It is. 543: Yes sir, yes sir. Yes. Interviewer: I see. Well then, where is the. None of the county offices are down there in the new building, they're all? 543: No sir, they they they I tell you, the county. It is part of the county down there. {X} Rented these offices. Interviewer: Oh I see. 543: Yes sir. It's the federal building, whole federal building, but they rented it you know, the county rented it, offices. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes sir you've met on the counter agent and Uh, the farce First one, office, lots of offices there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh, did you have any place to uh. Did people have a place to go to see plays or uh? 543: Well, not way back yonder. In our time, in my boy's time, we didn't have. But after got up A few years ago they begin to have a theaters down here. Interviewer: {X} 543: Yes sir, two theaters down here in time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, they didn't have a hospital. 543: No sir. Interviewer: But how long have they had one? 543: Well they, well I tell you what, they. Well, that, them them um hospital is pretty old. Interviewer: Are they? 543: Uh-uh, they did have two here. Doctor {B} He had a big hospital down here, pretty good size hospital. And then uh doctor. {B} He had a hospital right over here. They tearing his down cause they. After I don't know, a few years ago, they begin to They did. They got it up to build a you know, a big one down here. The county hospital. Build a new one down there. And then they, they had to go out of business. Interviewer: Oh I see. 543: Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: Uh, did uh, you remember uh travel by train at all, did you have a? 543: Yes sir that's right, that's right, sure, I made it down there and haul fertilizer off the train that they brought in for the farm you know, and everything. Interviewer: Did they have passengers? 543: Yes sir, there used to be a passenger train coming through you know. Interviewer: Oh they did? 543: Yes sir, that's right, right down here. Interviewer: Where was that at that uh, out by the university? 543: Yes sir right, that's right yes sir. Interviewer: Oh is that right? 543: Yes sir, yes sir, that's right I mean they just. Interviewer: Did they have a place uh? A waiting room? 543: Yes sir, right, right, yes sir, little old place down there yes sir. Oh yeah it was, it was nice back yonder. Business business place down there. Yes it's a depot you know we call it. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Uh, was that the Illinois Central? 543: Yes sir, right, that's where you'd come through that's right, yes sir. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Well that's uh, suppose you have a corner, and you had two stores. One on this side and one on that side. You say this store is, what? Across the street. 543: Cross the street, that's right. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 543: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And you say kitty corner or? 543: I'd call it the England cross there. Interviewer: #1 Call it England cross the street. # 543: #2 What would you call them. # Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: #1 Yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 Some people uh have told me they call it cattywampus or kitty corner or. # 543: Well of course they would, you take {X} Back yonder they would call it ca- catty corner cross, that's not straight cross. Catty corner. Interviewer: Mm I see. 543: Catty corner. Interviewer: Catty corner. 543: Catty corner cross you know. Interviewer: That's why. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Was wondering uh. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Okay, and and uh. If you uh, say you haul fertilizer from the station or from the railroad on there. Uh, suppose you uh, you put it in your wagon. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: Um. Suppose you had a sack that was so big that you uh. Was hard for you to pick it up and get it to the wagon, you say, I can hardly, what? 543: You can hardly pick it up. Interviewer: And. 543: Hardly, surely. Interviewer: I see, did you ever say lug it? Uh. 543: Not back that end no. I guess we uh, we you know we just couldn't hit this flat back that end you know. Course, come down now and Call it different. Say hardly lug it up or something. Interviewer: You could hardly tote it? 543: Yes I can hardly tote it. Interviewer: Did they say tote? 543: Tote, tote, tote, that's right, yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: And uh, if a uh {NW} Merchant sells you something and you say I don't know how this is very cheap. And you say, I don't know how he, how he does that, must be below, what? 543: Cost. Below cost, yes sir. Interviewer: Um. Say if he keeps on selling uh, at a. He's gonna go bankrupt if he sells at a, what? 543: He gonna go go busted. Go, go broke. #1 Gonna go broke, yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 Sells at a loss? # 543: Yes sir, yes sir, that's right so. {X} Interviewer: And, but if somebody charges too much, you say, well, he's uh. He what uh? 543: He He's overcharging it or something like, yes sir. He's charging me too much, he's overcharging it. Interviewer: And you say, no I can't buy that, it, what? You tell him, no I can't buy this, what? 543: It's too high. Interviewer: Cost. 543: Cost too much, yes sir. Cost, yes it's too high, cost too much. Interviewer: When somebody uh, would, Have a bill, at a grocery say, Uh, the bill would, would uh, you have to pay it the first of the month. Is that right? 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And you say, that the merchant says, well now, the first of the month, that bill is what? 543: Due. Interviewer: I see. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: When you paid it, Would he give you something extra, to show you that he appreciated it? 543: Well, no sir. Interviewer: He wouldn't? 543: No sir, no. Well, I tell you what, back yonder. Well you you mean back yonder olden times? Interviewer: Right. 543: Of course yes sir, yes sir, right now, yes sir, that's right yes sir. Yeah when you paid that bill {X} They'll give you something to you know, uh. Shirt or a pair of pants or something other, something, yes sir, that's right, sure, yes sir. A hat. {NW} I remember that, yes sir. Nice hat or something when you paid off the big bill of course. Don't know how many times You'd paid for that. Interviewer: Uh what would you call that uh you say, you say {X} You paid it and the merchant says well now you paid your bill on time, I appreciate it. So I'm gonna give you a what? 543: A hat. Present. Interviewer: Present? 543: Present. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: Yes sir, he'd give him a present. Interviewer: Mm-hmm, well it's a nice uh It's a nice system. 543: Of course, course, yes sir, yes sir. Interviewer: Make everybody fell good. 543: Oh yes sir, right, right, yes sir. Interviewer: And uh. If you didn't have enough money to pay something and you had to Go to somebody and get some money, you'd say, well I have to, what? 543: Have to borrow some money to pay, pay off that bill. Interviewer: Cause money is so, 543: So scarce Interviewer: Uh-huh. 543: Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh. If somebody uh, wouldn't give you the money, you'd say, well, he's an awful. {NS} {NW} 543: Man. Fella. Interviewer: Tight one or what? 543: Yes sir, tight, he's tight. Interviewer: #1 He's tight. # 543: #2 {D: He who had titles.} # Yes sir. Interviewer: And uh.