548: And she had been to the store to get the kids a cold drink interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: and on the way back there was um a grown negro boy had grabbed her purse interviewer: Oh 548: and so she wouldn't turn loose and he wouldn't turn loose. So he had snatch her down cause she wouldn't turn that purse loose. And so they snatched backwards and forwards and broke her cold drink finally he got the purse. interviewer: Hmm 548: And she said people were standing there and were looking at her and nobody wouldn't offer to help. interviewer: Really? 548: That's right. interviewer: Hmm 548: And then there was a woman a working at night and back down here at the old mill road um anyway she started getting through that going home and her gas give out. She got out and walked from there to the service station at night to get her some gas. Then on the way back she met a bunch of teenage boys niggers. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And and they uh made her pour that gas all over herself interviewer: Hmm 548: and then they struck a match to her. And she she couldn't get nobody to help her she run in a nigger juke joint. interviewer: Hmm 548: And a nigger man pulled his coat off and wrapped her up in it interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and put it out but she's she was burnt so bad. Well she lived to tell you know what happened interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: but she died. And there's several things that went on here just like that. {NW} Bad I'm tel- you feel bad. interviewer: Terrible 548: And bad interviewer: What do you reckon colored people would want to be called now-a-days? 548: Blacks or colored people. My God don't call 'em a nigger not to their face. interviewer: That get 'em mad? 548: They don't like that interviewer: Yeah {NW} 548: They say a nigger is a low class um people. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I don't see where the no lower class uh no none the rest of them now are niggers. interviewer: Have you ever heard one get mad at a white person and call them anything? 548: Um I don't believe I have. interviewer: Like um peckerwood or cracker or something like that? 548: No I haven't but they would but they do they call 'em everything but I don't mess with niggers. Cause I know they're dangerous. {X} sometimes um or keep the salvation army place they have well more niggers than they did whites up there in little old colored boys would tell 'em a white man's boys that would run in the salvation army tell that white man's boys God'll forgive you cause you're white. You know you talk to them white boys that way. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I tell you people had to take a lot off of and the government stands up for 'em and takes care of 'em. A white person does not hurt no nigger. Or they'll hang you up on the {X}. interviewer: {NW} Get into it huh? 548: Yeah interviewer: Have you ever heard of a you know like if uh white a white man married a black woman something like that if they had a baby. Have you ever heard it called anything in particular? 548: Well all I know it's a half nigger and half white. That's going on right here in this town. interviewer: Yeah? 548: That's right. interviewer: Hmm 548: And they got it look like nigger hair but it ain't that straw you know it ain't it's just as soft. When you just look at it it looks like niggers' hair. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Net and in the in the kids look like you know mixed got a white woman for a momma and that nigger man's as black as tar. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Oh wee lord have mercy. interviewer: But the babies are real light skinned? 548: Uh huh real light. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: You can't tell much difference in 'em except in their lips. You know a colored person's got thicker lips you know. You can tell. That's just about the only thing you can tell about 'em interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: and their hair. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah You know uh have you ever seen have you ever been in town when cun- people from the country were coming to town maybe on a Saturday or something like that and the peop- the city folks would kind of make fun of 'em? 548: Yeah interviewer: #1 Cause of the way they looked or something like that? # 548: #2 Uh huh # interviewer: #1 # 548: #2 # Cause they wasn't dressed right or something. Yep I've seen it happen lots of times. People make fun of other people I don't I don't believe in that. interviewer: Have you ever heard 'em call 'em anything like he's just an old? 548: Country boy or country girl or something like that. Or maybe different things I don't know. interviewer: Have you ever heard people say something like he's just an old country hoosier? 548: Yeah I hear that too. interviewer: How would they say that? 548: He's nothing but an old country hoosier. interviewer: It's not very nice is it? 548: No interviewer: Hurt your feelings. 548: Uh uh cause ain't nobody can help out the {X} ain't right. interviewer: So have you ever heard the word redneck used? 548: Oh good gracious yeah. interviewer: What does that mean? 548: Well these a I really don't know but one thing it's uh people from Louisiana they tell me they call them rednecks now what what it means I don't know. interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you reckon a redneck is somebody from the country? Or just from Louisiana? 548: I don't know that but they call them rednecks {X} interviewer: Have you ever heard people call 'em Cajuns? Is that the same thing? 548: Yeah that's the same thing. {X} they called them everything I guess interviewer: {NW} But mostly you've heard just what are the ones you hear mostly? 548: Mostly hear redneck. interviewer: Redneck 548: My daughter married one of them. interviewer: He's from Louisiana? 548: Yeah Morgan City Louisiana. interviewer: Is that where they live now? 548: Uh huh interviewer: {NW} What does he do for a living? 548: He's a welder. interviewer: A welder I see. Well before we got off on that I was asking you about corn. What do you call that outside cover over your corn? 548: Shuck interviewer: Mm-hmm is that good for anything or? 548: Yeah interviewer: Just 548: Good for cow feed mule feed or anything like that. Or I have stripped it up and made necklaces out of it. interviewer: Really? 548: When they get dried you know. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: Of course you had to strip it up you know and get that hard knot out of there. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Get that out and make your necklace out of it. It lays good. interviewer: Hmm Have you ever made up something on the floor for children to sleep on over night? 548: Uh padded uh huh interviewer: Did you make that out of corn shucks? 548: Yeah uh huh you would put down your {X} um you know {X} like mattress. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Make it down in the floor interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: course if you put them shucks down there they scatter so they wouldn't have {X} interviewer: {NW} Have you ever slept on one of those? 548: Yeah and I've even got out in the field and pulled grass and made mattresses out of it. interviewer: Hmm 548: That's actually a good mattress. interviewer: Mm-hmm Yes ma'am 548: But now-a-days you don't have to do that. interviewer: Yeah you ever see these great big orange things growing around here that people make jack-o-lanterns out of at Halloween? 548: Pumpkins interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: No they don't grow around here but you see them up there in the store everywhere. interviewer: Have you ever eaten any pumpkin pie? 548: I bet you it would be good though. interviewer: It is it's pretty good. {X} for dessert not bad. Do you ev- ever see these little things growing wild in your yard its gotta silk stalk to it and kind of wide at the top? 548: Mushroom interviewer: Yeah 548: {NW} interviewer: Can you eat those things? 548: I wouldn't interviewer: Not good to eat? 548: They's wild that grows in the yard um but they you can get 'em canned mushrooms that's already canned but they're not them. Cause you raised them. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: There's a difference I don't know how much but I'd be afraid to eat 'em anyway. interviewer: Have you ever heard people call them anything besides mushrooms? 548: Toad stew. interviewer: Yeah {NW} Is that the same thing? 548: Same thing toad stew. interviewer: Yeah what about these things that some people smoke they're not smokey they're? 548: Cigarettes? interviewer: Mm-hmm or these long brown thick ones kind of those 548: Cigars interviewer: Right Do you ever smoke? 548: Never did interviewer: Me either I don't see the appeal to tell you the truth. 548: Mm-hmm I used to do snuff. interviewer: Oh really? Is that is that tobacco? 548: Yeah it's tobacco but it's ground up it's in a box. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: You ain't never seen none? interviewer: I've seen it I just didn't know exactly what it was. 548: It's it's ground up and powder but it's in the box interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and it tastes different than tobacco. I used to do it through the 90s and did that stuff {X} I had to have that good snuff. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But when I was baptized uh uh interviewer: So you had to cut that out? 548: Yes I did. interviewer: Was it just cause it's not good for you or what? 548: Oh snuff ain't too bad on on you but I don't think I had the right knowing. interviewer: Oh I see. 548: Um cause the Lord says what you loosed on Earth will be loosed in hell. But if you what ain't loosed on Earth you gonna carry to heaven with you so if you go up their and still are habit to that snuff you still got that habit to carry with you. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: I've got {X} to mine. {NW} interviewer: Does your husband ever snuff? 548: He sure did dipped snuff and chewed tobacco me and him both drunk beer. We laid it all down though. interviewer: Oh he stopped smoking too? 548: Yeah he stopped smoking and and got got uh the holy ghost back got resaved again and the very day he got it back he died. interviewer: Hmm 548: The day he's baptized. Well the preacher said there that night before he died the next day he says well the preacher told me say there that the Lord showed me something tonight I got to tell Bud that was my husbands brother he was the holiest preacher and his wife says uh he in their don't go in and bother him he's sick and Henry said well I got to tell him since my Lord told me too. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And uh so he went down and told mules my husband he said well Bud says the Lord showed me tonight you need to be prayed up packed up ready to go and be baptized at the quickest minute because he's coming at it. interviewer: Hmm 548: And so that was Friday night and uh so my husband couldn't wait 'til Sunday and there wasn't gonna be baptize 'til Sunday he just couldn't wait just looked like he just wired just couldn't wait 'til Sunday but he did. And uh when he's baptized he died right their on the bank. interviewer: Hmm 548: But that uh holy expression say the Lord told him to tell him that he's coming after to be baptized as quick as he could. interviewer: MHmm 548: Sure died just wait to be baptized. interviewer: Hmm Had he been going to church all along uh 548: Uh uh we had just quit church. And we had just started back two or three times and uh so he went in the church with me two or three nights before he died and he got up and started down the church and he was in bad shape sick you know. And I started out with him and he kept bothering me to go back go back. Well I went back in there and half the church had gone out I went on out before he even left and he says you know if I hadn't gone out right when I did the devil would have killed me right there on the floor. interviewer: Hmm 548: He didn't go back in the church to ask the Lord cause he went from there uh to the he didn't go back in that church anymore but he went was baptized. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: So when he's baptized he got back to the Lord anyway. interviewer: Have you ever heard of these things that people claim they see around graveyards and they're afraid of 'em? 548: Haunts interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Haints or whatever interviewer: Do you believe in those things? 548: Yes I do. interviewer: Mm-hmm You ever seen one? 548: I bet you don't. interviewer: No I don't really {NW} You ever seen one? 548: Yeah interviewer: Where about? 548: I've seen things that didn't look didn't look right. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: um well us us three girls were sleeping in one bed and my momma was sleeping off in another room my mom and dad and um so their was a woman come in the middle door out of mama's room and we thought it was her and so where I was laying I was the middle I was the brave you know and I I punched my other sisters you know to look and we {X} seen it. No I told them what I seen and they went to {X} But I I laid right there and watched her come. Had a big old shiny thing thing around her head you know. It looked like she was floating she wasn't walking She was floating you know with a great big long white dress on. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And she come up on my older sisters side of the bed and just as just as she stood like this I hollered mom just as loud as I could. Oh she gone just like that. interviewer: Hmm 548: But momma she answered and I ask her was she was she in there and she says I ain't been in there. She got up and come on in there {X}. It wasn't momma. interviewer: Hmm that's strange. 548: That's strange interviewer: Is that the only one you've ever seen? 548: That's the that's about the only one I ever seen yeah. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Um but they tell tell me there is people that's born with a v- veil over their face they can see things And there's people that hadn't been born with a veil on their face that can't see. So I don't know. interviewer: Hmm 548: But I know I have seen I've seen that and I know it wasn't real too. interviewer: Have you have you ever heard of those things getting inside a house? You say the house was? 548: Haunted interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Uh huh momma told us more things about such as that. When when my grandpa died before my grandpa died um he had lots of horses and uh big farm and oh just had plenty of everything and he had a lot of money then and uh so he had the old shop but he built him a new one and grandma said uh he was working on that new shop and she went out to get her some chips to cook with and see him sitting down against the wall and one leg straightened out and the other drawed up cause he had dropped over between his legs. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And she {X} around to keep waking him up. And she got near back to the house and she she couldn't go past she had to turn around and go back and when she did he had a bleeding hemorrhage you know out from his head now and he was like near dead and in a few minutes he did die interviewer: Hmm 548: and um so he always had his mules and cows and things brought in at night put in the barn and taken care of. And after he died they never did bring them up or nothing and um so in that yard I was about two years old or uh not over three. And uh so something come out behind the rose bush like a white dog and we just go right over that big old pile of wood you know and hills you know they just kept big piles of wood just floating over that wood you know didn't ever use {X}. interviewer: Hmm 548: And go out there and hammer in that shop all night long and uh so my my daddy says I have found out what what it is tonight and so sure enough here he went up there with his gun and it loaded interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and uh so that night from around that same rose bush come a little um like uh wild {X} or something just a little white thing looked like a pocket hand a little white thing out and around that bush and papa shot it and it turned to uh a man and and that was stolen and I ain't telling no story. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And then and then after it turned to a man it just kept floating right on up over that pile of wood you know right on in that shop and hammered all night. interviewer: Hmm 548: Papa he went out and fell across the bed you know he liked snuff tobacco. interviewer: Hmm 548: He said I've never seen nothing else last night I know what it is. He said back then he shot something he know. He didn't have no business to. {X} choked it instead. interviewer: Strange 548: Yeah but it he didn't believe it either until he shot it he knows then it wasn't real. interviewer: Yeah Hmm I meant to ask you a minute ago when were talking about going fishing some people use these little fish for bait. Uh huh 548: minnows interviewer: Mm-hmm do you ever do you you said that you went fishing some? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Do you do you like to use worms or minnows? 548: I never did use minnows. When I went I always had to use worms. interviewer: Mm-hmm They were a little bit better? 548: I believe they stay on the hook longer. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Cause a fish makes one dash and a minnow it's gone. interviewer: {NW} yeah that's true. You have some you have some of the worm left. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah 548: Yeah they nibble and nibble on that worm. More than likely he will get caught while he's getting that worm off. interviewer: Right {NW} that would be right. So you were telling me about the different kinds of trees that grow around here uh I meant to ask you if you had any sycamore? 548: I don't know if there know of interviewer: Is that what people call 'em though? 548: Yeah interviewer: You've heard them called that before? 548: Yeah there's sycamore trees but I don't know is there none around here. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah What about these trees that had these shiny green leaves and these big bright flowers? {X} 548: Dogwood interviewer: Well yeah dogwoods or uh uh magnolia. 548: There's lots of magnolia. And there's dogwoods over yonder in that church yard where we eat lunch everyday. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see have you ever heard of a bush around here called a sumac or sumac or shumake anything like that? 548: Seem like I've heard about shumaker bush interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: seem like I have. interviewer: Does it got red berries on it? 548: Yes there's several bushes around here with red berries on 'em. interviewer: Mm-hmm called shumake? 548: Uh huh interviewer: I see have you ever gotten any of this stuff that uh you get into it and it'll make your skin break out and itch? 548: Poison ivy interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah have you ever gotten any of that stuff? 548: No it ain't never hurt me interviewer: Hmm 548: it hurts my sister but not me. interviewer: Mm-hmm Is that the same thing as poison oak? 548: Yeah poison oak or poison ivy is the same thing. interviewer: All the same thing I see. I meant to ask you when we were talking about the different kinds of berries that grow around here do you have any raspberries? 548: I hadn't saw any. interviewer: Is that what people would call 'em? 548: I reckon I have never saw any I don't know. interviewer: What's that? 548: Raspberry interviewer: Oh have you ever heard of any kind of plant called the rhododendron? Hadn't heard of that? 548: No interviewer: Okay I'm gonna ask you a few things that have to do with family say a woman whose husband had died 548: Yes interviewer: you say she's a? 548: Widow interviewer: Have you ever heard of any name for a woman whose husband hasn't died he just up and left? He's just taken off. 548: She's still a widow. interviewer: Really? I guess so {NW} yeah 548: I don't know whether that's {X} or not. interviewer: Have you ever heard people say a grass widow? 548: Grass widow yeah I heard of that. interviewer: You heard of that. Yeah I see I wonder why they call 'em grass widows. 548: {NW} I couldn't tell you. interviewer: Yeah what about uh a little boy that's uh is known by a name just within his family? 548: Uh huh interviewer: He say that they gave him a? Not a real name but they just call him something else. 548: Nickname interviewer: Yeah Did did you have one or any of your brothers and sisters? 548: Uh uh interviewer: Didn't have any like that? 548: Uh uh none of us did. They called us by our name and we better answer. interviewer: {NW} Right yeah. Have you ever seen these things that uh they have wheels on 'em and you can put a baby in 'em and take 'em around you know. 548: Baby buggy yeah. I didn't ever own one but I've seen lots of 'em. interviewer: You see people going around? 548: Uh huh baby buggy interviewer: If you had one what would you say you were going to do? Uh I believe I'll put the baby in the buggy and go out and? 548: Go out and ride the baby awhile. interviewer: Uh huh I see yeah. Let me ask you about this expression say uh a woman who's about to have a baby 548: Uh huh interviewer: you say she's? 548: She's pregnant. interviewer: Mm-hmm Can you remember a time when it wasn't polite to use that word? 548: Yes sir I I remember back yonder when it wasn't polite at all. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Now-a-days they'll say anything. interviewer: {NW} So what did people say back then? 548: She might've kept her mouth shut. interviewer: Oh {NW} just didn't say anything about it at all. 548: No not kid wasn't supposed to know nothing about that. Well maybe the maybe the husband or maybe one of your neighbors or but don't say nothing around no kids or around no men or nothing. No that was terrible. But not now-a-days. Somebody's going around I don't know. interviewer: Did you ever hear of people say she's in the family way? 548: Uh huh I heard that too. interviewer: Is that the way they'd say it? 548: Yeah interviewer: Like how? 548: She's in the family way. interviewer: I see. You know if you if somebody was having a baby and there wasn't a doctor around or was there ever anybody to help out? 548: Midwife. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That that's all I ever had. interviewer: Is that right? 548: Midwife interviewer: When you had your children? 548: I had several and all I had was a midwife. interviewer: Is this just a neighbor or somebody that lives close by? 548: No it was just a real uh midwife she waited on herself with two sets of twins. Herself and then they give a license. And uh interviewer: Oh you mean she delivered her own 548: Her own babies interviewer: {NW} 548: Two sets of twins. interviewer: I don't see how she managed that. 548: I don't know either. She just kind of {X} a hand of this and a hand of that. So she she tended to her own them babies herself. interviewer: Wow 548: And then she called her doctor. And he come in and give her a license. interviewer: Really? 548: To be a midwife. interviewer: Well did you pay those people something for helping out? 548: Very little at that time you know about ten or fifteen dollars something like that is all they'll charge. And that that's why I had to have midwife I didn't have money for to go to a doctor. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see. Did they do you are these midwives still around? 548: Yeah some of 'em here. But this one I know she's gone for now. But they sure do help out though. interviewer: Mm-hmm {X} if that's the one person you have. 548: Ain't that the truth. But but she called a woman in trouble you know and she couldn't have that baby she'd have to call the doctor. interviewer: Oh yeah 548: And the doctor had to come to her. interviewer: Yeah I see. Let me ask you about this expression say if a boy has the same color hair and eyes as his father 548: Uh huh interviewer: and maybe his nose is shaped about the same you say that that boy? 548: Favors his daddy. interviewer: Yeah alright. Would would you say the same thing maybe if the boy uh inherited his daddy's bad habits? 548: Yeah he's just like his daddy. interviewer: Just like his daddy yeah. {NW} Alright what about this um a child that's born to an unmarried woman. 548: Uh huh interviewer: What would that be? Have you ever heard him called anything in particular? 548: Well I I don't know whether they're lying or not but I've always heard 'em called a bastard. interviewer: Sure 548: That's what I all I've ever heard interviewer: Mm-hmm right have you ever heard anything besides that uh oh maybe like people call it an outside child or {X} 548: No I ain't hear them say nothing like that I hear them say say woman just you know that child the momma just got out and just picked 'em up you know. interviewer: Yeah 548: Or everything all kinds of things. interviewer: Mm-hmm What about 548: And it's not the child's fault to start with. It's his momma. interviewer: Mm-hmm that's true sure is. Somebody was telling me something about that one time I don't know I can't remember what she said. But it had to do with what you were talking about it wasn't the child's fault it was the parent's fault. 548: Yeah interviewer: I can't remember what she said. {X} Oh if I think of it I'll tell you. 548: They didn't they didn't ask to be brought in this world I imagine that's what she's thinking. interviewer: Yeah something like that. Okay what about this say if uh if you had a brother and he had a son that son would be your? 548: Mm interviewer: Like if you had a brother and he had a daughter that would be your niece. 548: Yeah interviewer: So the boy would be your? 548: Nephew interviewer: Sure what about the child you know both of his parents had died what would he be called? 548: Orphan interviewer: What about an adult that's appointed to look after him that would be his? 548: Guardian interviewer: Yes ma'am What and say talking about people like your uh uncles or cousins and people like that say if you had all those people in your house you'd say that the house was full of your? 548: Kin folk interviewer: Mm-hmm alright You got a lot of kin folk? Not too many? 548: I have two here I have two boys here in town you've seen whether they'll be here today or not. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Maybe they {X} interviewer: Did I ask you if you had any brothers or sisters? How many do you have? 548: I haven't got but two living. interviewer: Two living yeah. Where do they live now? 548: One of them lives over there on grove street {BEEP} and um {BEEP} that's my other she lives over here on the south {X} where I moved from. interviewer: Oh yeah 548: That's about all I got left two sisters. interviewer: Do y'all ever visit each other much or anything like that? 548: Not much interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: When that one when that came she works on a boat she's younger way younger than I am but she cooks on a boat and and drank she drank so much I just don't think she interviewer: Hmm 548: And Willy may down there she ain't uh well she's married again but she's got um sugar diabetes and high blood you know. Well she ain't able to visit and her husband can't seem to drive anyway. But she don't get to come see me. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But here I am I ain't got no way to go up there. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: But we don't get to visit either. interviewer: Yeah I see. But what about this expression if I was telling you about somebody that I saw that looked a lot like you you might say well that maybe so but actually I no to her? 548: No kin to her. interviewer: Mm-hmm And what would you call somebody who comes into town that nobody's ever seen before you say he's a? 548: Stranger interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah sure. What about someone from another country who's come in? 548: Still a stranger I guess that's all I can think off. interviewer: Would you ever call 'em a foreigner or something like that? 548: I might. interviewer: Mm-hmm Mm-kay I want to ask you about some names for women say a woman's first name begins with a M? Say for example the mother of Jesus in the bible? 548: Mary interviewer: Uh huh Mm-kay do you remember what George Washington's wife was named? 548: No interviewer: Yeah Martha 548: Martha? interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: I don't know uh I don't know much about the Bible I can't read it. interviewer: Okay what about what about a woman's name that begins with an N? 548: In the bible? interviewer: Well not necessarily just anybody. 548: Well for N Nancy. interviewer: Uh huh sure or {D:Neb}? 548: Yeah Nancy interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Or Nell interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah 548: Well there's lots of things that could go with that. interviewer: You know anybody named Nelly? 548: No interviewer: Or anybody with that name? 548: No interviewer: How would you say that? 548: Nelly interviewer: Mm-hmm that's right. What about a boy's name that begins with a B? 548: Bobby interviewer: Sure 548: Or what what is it they call a male goat? A what kind of goat? Billy interviewer: {NW} 548: A billy goat interviewer: Yeah Have you ever known anybody that raised goats? 548: No interviewer: I usually hear those things really smell terrible. 548: I bet they do but I don't know. interviewer: I knew somebody who kept 'em just to keep his grass cut. But uh 548: I wouldn't put up with that just to keep my grass cut. interviewer: Right okay What about a mans name that begins with an M? Like maybe Matt is the short for? 548: Matt? interviewer: Matt like you know in the Bible the four gospels were Mark Luke John and? 548: John? interviewer: Or Matthew? 548: Matthew yeah interviewer: Did you ever know anybody by the name of that? 548: No interviewer: Okay 548: I sure am. interviewer: What about a woman's name that begins with an S? 548: Suzie interviewer: Mm-hmm Suzie or uh 548: Sue um I guess that's all I can think of right quick. interviewer: Sarah? 548: Sarah that's right. interviewer: Okay hav- have you ever heard of uh well what would you call a woman who teachers school she would be a? 548: School teacher interviewer: Have you ever heard anyone call it a schoolmarm? 548: Mm-hmm I sure have. interviewer: Is that kind of an old fashioned name or you still hear it? 548: It must be old fashioned. interviewer: How do you say it? 548: Schoolmarm interviewer: Yes ma'am Don't hear it much anymore? 548: Sure don't. interviewer: Have you ever heard of uh say a preacher who really wasn't trained to be a preacher he does something else for a living and he's really not all that good at it have you ever heard him called anything in particular? 548: They try to make a living as a preacher? interviewer: Yes ma'am but not all that good at it and he does something else for a living too. 548: I don't believe I can tell you that. interviewer: Have you ever heard people say a jackleg preacher? 548: Yeah I've heard that. interviewer: {NW} How do they say that? What would they say? 548: They say he's a jackleg preacher. interviewer: What does that mean? 548: Well it means he just just don't know what he's doing. interviewer: Yeah yeah 548: And when I hear a preacher I know whether he's got {X} or not. interviewer: Have you ever heard a jackleg preacher? 548: Uh huh interviewer: {NW} Where down at your church? 548: No I hadn't heard one down there in yet interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: um I heard uh several um oh I can't think of it in in the valley they said that um they would rule the world some day. Catholics uh other words uh one of them Catholic boys said um said that he went with a bunch of boys to Jesus named church one night well I and says I went down there to give 'em told He says I was really gonna tell 'em something He says I went down there with um and said boy when I opened that door says I know God wasn't gonna tell on them. interviewer: Hmm 548: He said I had half what they got. He said I went right at that alter and got it. And now he's a preacher. interviewer: Hmm 548: He's a good too. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And so there's another {X} and that was uh another woman Catholic boys you know other boys you know just a bunch of boys. Some of us going to church and kept on and got these boys to go. And when they went they got to all go. interviewer: Hmm 548: And man you ought to hear 'em. What are you? interviewer: Me? 548: Yeah interviewer: Methodist I'm not Catholic {NW} 548: And uh you just ought hear 'em talk about you know uh what they do in that Catholic church. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And said that they wasn't allowed to do nothing just slip in there and just sit down and be quiet you know and not say nothing. And uh that little uh I reckon it's what they think about Jesus. Jesus ain't dead he's alive. But uh that little thing he says well nobody allowed to handle that or touch it no no. But the priest and then he put on those big old long robe you know and put them things over his hand and he can handle it you know. interviewer: Right 548: And he said the priest come in that day and ta- told him to go put on uh that what ever they call it that old long robe and things over his hands and come to hold his hat. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And he says I was privileged to hold his hat that day. interviewer: Yeah 548: And uh and he says I thought I was really something cause I got to hold his hat. And so he wound up down there and and taked off those shirts {X}. {NW} interviewer: It works in strange ways doesn't it? 548: Yes it do. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Sure do. But man it's awful. Anybody well it's it's alright they think they get by with it. That's up to them. interviewer: {X} {NW} What what relation would my mother's sister be to me that would be? 548: Your mother's sister? interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Be your aunt. interviewer: Okay and say if my father had a brother named William that would be my? 548: Your uncle interviewer: Yeah and if his name was William it'd be my? If I wanted to use his name I'd call him my? 548: Uncle William. interviewer: Sure and if I had one named John that would be my? 548: Uncle John interviewer: Do you remember uh what do people around here call the War between the North and the South that happened you know over a hundred years ago? 548: World War One interviewer: Well earlier than that. 548: Well really I don't know. interviewer: Well have you heard people call it the Civil War? 548: Oh yes I be hearing that too. interviewer: Is that the way they say it? 548: Yep Civil War. interviewer: I see 548: Yeah I've heard it uh but I just forgotten what it was. interviewer: Do you ever remember hearing about a man {NW} who fought in it named Robert E Lee? 548: Yep interviewer: Do you remember what they called him for his what he was in the army his rank? 548: No interviewer: Like uh General Lee or do you remember hearing that? 548: No but he was a general wasn't he? interviewer: Yes ma'am yeah and did you ever watch TV and see this advertisement that comes on for Kentucky Fried Chicken? 548: Yeah interviewer: Do you remember that man who the old man in the white suit with the beard? 548: Yeah interviewer: Remember his name? 548: Not {X} interviewer: Was it Sanders uh 548: Colonel Sanders interviewer: {NW} Well uh do you watch TV much? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: What do you like to watch mostly? 548: Well them old quiz shows like Let's Make a Deal and uh Price is Right you know. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And uh Family Feud things like that. interviewer: Do they come on in the morning or? 548: In the morning uh huh. They come on in the morning. But then uh them other shows day time I don't like. interviewer: Oh soap operas? 548: Uh huh I don't like them. But at night at night uh like uh the Wolf boy and um and that old oh what's it that old man that that plays with them animals. I can't think of his name. interviewer: Uh Wild Kingdom? 548: I like that too. Well any way any kind that's got wild animals on it I like that. interviewer: My brother got started watching those soap operas he would he would just come home from lunch you know and he'd seat down in front of the TV and after awhile he got hooked on 'em {NW}. He started following 'em and watching 'em regularly. 548: Oh interviewer: I kid him about it. 548: Yeah well by the well now he'll come just as natural as he you won't miss 'em. interviewer: {NW} My grandma was like that. She liked to watch her 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: her programs or soap operas. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: I don't think they're too interesting myself really. 548: No well what do you do anyway? interviewer: I'm a student. Going to school still in school. 548: Well this gonna help you out. interviewer: Sure is 548: I hope so interviewer: It will. What would you what would you call a man who's in charge of a ship you'd say he's the? 548: Captain interviewer: Mm-kay and what about a man who's in charge of the county court? You'd say he's the? 548: Judge interviewer: Mm-kay And a lady that works for a man she does his typing and filing and all that? 548: Book keeper interviewer: Mm-hmm or anything besides that? 548: Secretary interviewer: Mm-kay {NW} what about a a lady who appears in movies or on TV or on stage you'd say she's a? 548: Actor interviewer: Mm-kay or what about somebody like you and me who's born in the United States you'd say we are both? We're not Germans or Russians you'd say we're both? 548: You've got me again. interviewer: Amer- 548: Americans interviewer: Okay {NW} Okay I want to ask you about what you call some parts of the body. Like this part right here what do you call that? 548: Forehead interviewer: Mm-hmm okay and all of this this is my? 548: Hair interviewer: And if I let it grow out on my face I'm growing? 548: A goatee interviewer: Okay or if I let it all grow out? 548: Whisker interviewer: Sure or something else that begins with a B? 548: This is side burns. interviewer: Right okay 548: And this is whiskers. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And this is goatee. interviewer: Goatee or what about the whole lower part of your face? 548: I don't know what you'd call the whole thing? interviewer: {NW} Beard do you call it that? 548: Call the whole thing just beard huh? interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Okay interviewer: What about this right here that's my? 548: Ear interviewer: Which one that's my? 548: Right ear interviewer: Yeah and this is my? 548: Left interviewer: Okay and {NW} this right here? 548: Throat interviewer: Yeah what about this thing that moves up and down? That you can see on some people. 548: {X} Let me see it move Oh {X} interviewer: Hmm 548: What I always hear it called. interviewer: Do you ever hear it called the Adam's apple? The goozle 548: Yeah I heard oh yeah. interviewer: Which one? 548: Ad- uh Adam's apple. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: That's what interviewer: Have you ever heard that word goozle? 548: Uh uh interviewer: Hadn't heard that 548: No {NW} you went all up in the books before I start interviewer: {NW} Okay what about this right here that's just one? 548: Teeth interviewer: And just one of that be a? 548: Tooth interviewer: Okay what about this part of your hand right here? 548: Palm interviewer: Uh huh and you make a? 548: Fist interviewer: And got two? 548: Two fists. interviewer: Okay when sometimes when people get older they complain that they're getting stiff in their? 548: Joints interviewer: Yeah do you have that problem? What do you call that disease uh? You get the that affects your joints? 548: Arthritis interviewer: Mm-hmm Have you ever heard that called anything else? 548: neuritis or I reckon I reckon that's about all. interviewer: Rheumatism? 548: Yeah well it's been it's called lots of things but it's all the same thing. interviewer: Mm-hmm Rheumatism is the same thing as? 548: Arthritis neuritis all are the same thing. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah Have you ever heard of a disease that made your skin turn yellow and your eyeballs turn yellow? 548: Yeah uh hepatitis interviewer: Called what now? 548: Hepatitis interviewer: Hmm 548: That's what they call it here. interviewer: Hmm 548: a ja- jaundice that's what it is. interviewer: But they called it? 548: hepatitis interviewer: hepatitis here 548: And it was yellow jaundice back in the early days. interviewer: Huh did you ever did you ever no anybody that got that? 548: Yes I've got a grandson over there that had it. And he had to stay in the hospital three weeks with it. interviewer: Hmm 548: He already had um I can't tell you what it is something eating his lungs up you know like a cancer but it's not cancer. It's just the doctor said he rather have a cancer. He said it would let you die But said this here won't do that linger on and linger on eating eating his lungs up you know. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Uh interviewer: Not leukemia? 548: Uh uh interviewer: {X} 548: Uh uh I often remember what it is but I can't I can't remember when I ought to. interviewer: Did you ever hear of a disease that children used to get they'd get these sores in their throat and their throat would close up? Wouldn't be able to breathe. 548: Diphtheria interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you did you know anybody that got that? 548: Yeah I knew way back yonder but not lately. interviewer: Mm-hmm they don't get that anymore. 548: Uh uh not as I know of. interviewer: Yeah say if if I had gotten a real bad pain right about here I might be having an attack of? 548: Appendicitis interviewer: Yeah do did you ever have that or anything like it? 548: I hadn't had no operations of no kind. Thank the Lord for that. interviewer: Yeah okay getting back to the parts of the body you call the upper part of the man's body that's his? 548: Chest interviewer: Yes ma'am okay. And this is my right? 548: Hand interviewer: Yeah uh what about that that's my right? 548: Foot interviewer: Mm-kay do you ever call this part of your leg near right here anything? 548: Shin interviewer: Yeah did you ever bump that into anything? 548: Oh my goodness did that hurt. interviewer: {NW} Yeah it sure does. It really stings. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah what about this part of your leg right here you ever heard that? 548: Calf of the leg. interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah what about say if a little boy wanted to try to scare me if he was gonna hide behind the couch you'd say he had to do what so I couldn't see him? 548: Hide where you can't see 'em. interviewer: Right sorta so he had to do what? He couldn't stand up he'd have to? 548: He'd have to hide where you can't see him. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And then he would scare you. interviewer: In other words he had to squat? 548: Yeah interviewer: Is that what you would say? 548: Yeah interviewer: Do what? 548: He'll have to squat where you can't see him. interviewer: He'd have to squat down on his? 548: Knees where you can't see him. interviewer: Ever heard of that part of your leg called your haunches? 548: {NW} interviewer: Or your hunkers? 548: No {NW} interviewer: Hadn't heard that? 548: No interviewer: You haven't heard somebody say instead of squat down he had to hunker down? 548: {NW} I believe I hear that a time or two somewhere I don't know where. interviewer: Which one? 548: Hunker down interviewer: Hunker down? 548: Uh huh interviewer: Yeah sounds kind of funny doesn't it? 548: Yes it does {NW} interviewer: Okay yeah. What about this expression you have a friend of yours that had been sick for awhile you might say well oh so and so's up and around now but he still looks a little bit? 548: Bad interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: Or a little bit sick. interviewer: Yes ma'am. Do you ever hear people around here use the word peaked? 548: Uh huh interviewer: Looks a little bit peaked? 548: Yeah interviewer: What about puny? 548: Well that that's okay too. interviewer: Is that the same thing? 548: Yeah it's all the same thing. interviewer: Okay you were telling me awhile ago about these coal oil lamps coal oiled lamps. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Say that electric lamp burned out the thing that you'd have to replace that would be the? 548: Bulb interviewer: Mm-hmm that's right. Mm-kay and when you lived over at your other house did you have a place out back where you'd hang up clothes? 548: Uh huh interviewer: What would you take the wet clothes out back in? 548: Dish pan interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: my little dish pan back there interviewer: Mm-hmm is there anything else you'd seen people use for that? 548: Yeah clothes basket interviewer: Clothes basket 548: I didn't have one interviewer: Oh so you used a dish pan. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah were those clothes baskets made out of wicker or something like that? 548: Plastic interviewer: Plastic oh yeah 548: Beat their easy tore up interviewer: Hmm 548: made out of plastic. interviewer: Mm-hmm do you ever see those wicker one's anymore? 548: Uh huh now-days now nothing but plastic. interviewer: I see yeah what about uh if you were had a a bottle with some liquid in it that something you could put in the mouth of the bottle to keep it from spilling out? 548: A stopper interviewer: Sure or what could that be made out of? 548: Well you could use a piece of paper or uh stopper a regular stopper that'd fit it. But you as I said you could just wad a piece of paper up and stick it in there. interviewer: What about a cork? 548: Corks good too if you can get one to fit it. interviewer: {NW} Did you ever see anybody play one of these things that you blew on it and moved it back and forth like that? There's a musical instrument kinda long and you blew on it and it moved it back and fourth across your mouth? 548: Well I think so. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: A juice harp? interviewer: Could be yeah Mm-hmm is that like is that like a harp or French harp or harmonica have you ever heard of that? 548: Yeah I heard of them too. interviewer: Which one? 548: Uh um harmonica oh I know I know what that is and it it's a long one you know. interviewer: Yes ma'am 548: And and uh a fr- so uh uh that Jew's harp you put in your mouth and kick it around interviewer: It's got a twiny noise? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Yeah you ever try to play one of those? 548: Uh uh I ain't tried to do nothing much. interviewer: {NW} Me either yeah. What do you call this thing that you beat nails with that's a? 548: Hammer interviewer: Mm-hmm okay now I wanna you a a few things about a wagon. #1 Did y'all have a wagon when you were growing up? # 548: #2 Uh huh # interviewer: #1 # 548: #2 # interviewer: Yeah what did you call the long wooden thing that went between the horses? 548: Tongue interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah 548: A wagon tongue. interviewer: Yes ma'am and those the thing that the traces came back and hooked on to? 548: Single tree interviewer: Yes ma'am right. Did what if you had like two horses and each one had a singletree. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: They'd both be hooked on to a? 548: I know what that thing is that goes there but I don't remember. I don't believe I'm gonna think of that. interviewer: Would it be a doubletree? 548: Yes that's what it is. interviewer: That's what you called it? 548: Double tree interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: that's right. interviewer: Yeah what about on a buggy? Those things that you'd have to back the horse between? 548: Shafts interviewer: Yes ma'am did y'all have a buggy? 548: Uh uh uh uh interviewer: Did many people back then have 'em? 548: Uh uh interviewer: They'd have to 548: Not even back yonder when I was little uh uh. Very few people even had buggies let alone anything else. interviewer: Yes ma'am I see. What about the the outside edge of a wagon wheel you'd call that the? 548: The rim interviewer: Yes ma'am I see. And you were telling me uh this morning about a middle buster you said it was a kind of plow. 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: Was there something else that you could use after you use the plow to break up the ground real fine? 548: Yeah you'd use um but after you'd roll it up with that middle buster you yes you can you can still use top part interviewer: Mm-hmm that'd break it up even finer? 548: Uh huh that'll level the roads off you know and then you can go behind it with a plow. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see Mm-kay what about that thing that the wheels of the wagon fit onto you call that the? 548: Axle interviewer: Yes ma'am Mm-kay have you ever seen these things that uh well carpenters use them a lot these wooden frames that uh well you could take two of 'em and lay some boards across 'em and make yourself a temporary table? 548: Horses? interviewer: Sure right yeah. Have you ever seen another kind of frame that's kinda shaped like an X? You could put a log right in the middle of it and brace it and saw it off? 548: Yeah I've seen 'em but I I can't think right now what you'd call 'em. interviewer: Mm-hmm What about a saw buck or wood rack or something like that? 548: Wood rack I reckon. That's what you'd have to call it. interviewer: Okay and what about something that you would use on your hair you might use either a comb or a? 548: Brush interviewer: Yeah and you say you were going to uh? 548: Brush my hair. interviewer: Mm-kay did you ever see these things you know when barbers used to use straight razors? They had these long leather things they sharpen 'em off. 548: Mm-hmm razor straight. interviewer: Yes ma'am I've heard to tell people say that they their parents kinda gave them a few licks of those things when they misbehaved. You ever heard of that? 548: Yep I didn't ever get that though I got worse than that. interviewer: Hmm what's worse than that? 548: Horse whip or buggy switch. interviewer: Hmm 548: Either one of 'em is worse. interviewer: That sounds 548: My step daddy didn't want me to {X} interviewer: That does sound pretty rough. 548: I'll tell you what I'm getting sleepy. interviewer: Okay let me just ask you one or two more questions and then we'll stop for right now if you want to take a break. 548: Okay interviewer: Okay what about the these things that you could fire in a pistol or a riffle? 548: Cartridges interviewer: Yes ma'am Have you ever shot a gun? 548: I think I shot a gun one time in my life. interviewer: Just once? 548: And my husband's trying to make me learn how to shoot it interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: and I never would shot it no more. interviewer: Yeah they can be dangerous those things. 548: Yeah they are interviewer: What were you telling about making bread? 548: Uh well um when you making cornbread it uh back in the old days or now even you had you had if you hadn't got a little oil or something to put in your bread just put a little mayonnaise in and that sure do make good bread. interviewer: Hmm I never heard of doing that before. 548: Oh well it's it's good sometime you try it it's good. interviewer: Who told you how to do that? 548: Mrs. Grimes interviewer: Is that one of your neighbors? 548: Uh huh interviewer: Okay {NW} well let's see did y'all ever have a coal burning stove? 548: Mm-hmm interviewer: What did you did you have any kind of container you kept next to the stove with coal in it? 548: Yeah we had a a tin pan on a a oh a can of things we kept coal in it. interviewer: Mm-hmm 548: And smut {NW}. interviewer: Have you ever heard of anything called a coal scuttle? 548: Yeah interviewer: What? 548: Yeah it burns coal in it. interviewer: To burning? 548: Yeah you burn coal in the stove. interviewer: Oh yeah I was talking about if you ever heard of anything called a coal scuttle something to keep coal in. 548: Uh uh interviewer: Hadn't heard of that? 548: Uh uh no we just put coal in what we could find. interviewer: Mm-hmm I see. What did you call the pipe that ran out the back of the stove? 548: Goes out through the wall? Elbow interviewer: Mm-hmm is that the pipe that goes out back the stove? 548: That elbow that carries that pipe outside back of the house you know. Somewhere it goes up through here. interviewer: Hmm 548: {X} interviewer: I see 548: It's the elbow. interviewer: Yeah is the stove pipe the same thing as the flue? 548: Uh uh uh interviewer: What's the difference? 548: A flue is brick you know it's built on top of the house. It's something like a chimney but it's just got two little openings one on each side. It ain't all the way open like a chimney at the top. And that's a flue up there. interviewer: Yeah that other things is a 548: uh huh interviewer: just call that a stove pipe? 548: Yeah yeah that's a stove pipe goes from the stove up to that and that's a stove flue on top of the house. interviewer: I see what do you call this thing that you can use for yard work it's got two long handles and a wheel there on front? 548: Wheelbarrow interviewer: Mm-hmm yeah and what about something that you could use to sharpen a knife on?