interviewer: plays in my hometown Troy and it seems like 741: #1 right do y'all play # interviewer: #2 Troy state has # played 741: played Henderson didn't it or was it #1 {D: Washita} # interviewer: #2 I think you # 741: #1 {D: Washita} # interviewer: #2 played 'em both # 741: in the Peanut Bowl or some such thing interviewer: where's the ten of 'em 741: I don't I really don't know but it it rings a bell that #1 Troy State did play # interviewer: #2 yeah # yeah I think I think they uh Troy State had played both uh {D: I think there's another Washita at some time in the past but I can't remember when I can't remember when it} whether it was when Troy had real those real good jeans in the late sixties or 741: I think so interviewer: might have been 741: it was something like the Peanut Bowl or interviewer: I can't remember who won either 741: Troy State I believe #1 I'm not sure # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # well they might have been they had really they really had a powerhouse back in sixty-eight that won the uh #1 N-A-I # 741: #2 N-A-I # interviewer: s- a small college national championship 741: yeah we're you know real familiar with the N-A-I #1 around here Henderson has been uh # interviewer: #2 uh-huh is that right # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: second nationally for quite a while interviewer: oh I see 741: and then they have the uh national N-A-I track meet here every year interviewer: I noticed you had some good looking facilities I didn't 741: #1 right uh-huh # interviewer: #2 get to drive around # I want to #1 later on # 741: #2 Henderson # has very nice athletic #1 facilities # interviewer: #2 uh-huh just # what I could see from the road see the football field stadium looked pretty modern look that 741: yeah it's it's nice interviewer: well let me ask you uh you were born here in Arkadelphia is #1 that right? # 741: #2 I was # born in Little Rock interviewer: oh you were born in Little Rock 741: but that was simply because my family happened to be in Little Rock at the time my father was a lawyer is a lawyer and uh at that time it was during the depression and uh he had a job in Little Rock and I just was born there but I lived there not even 'til I was two years old interviewer: is that right 741: mm-hmm my family's from here and we moved back here I've lived here all my life except three years in Hawaii interviewer: and you moved here you said when you were about two to Arkadelphia 741: mm-hmm a little less than two I have no memory of living anywhere else interviewer: that right and you said you lived for three years in Hawaii 741: mm-hmm interviewer: now did your father relocate is 741: #1 no that's my husband # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: uh was a navy physician stationed at with the marine corps interviewer: well you're talking about your parents so where is your father from? #1 where was he born # 741: #2 right here # interviewer: #1 # 741: #2 # interviewer: in Arkadelphia? 741: mm-hmm interviewer: and you said he's a lawyer 741: right interviewer: father still alive? 741: yes mm-hmm interviewer: still practicing? 741: no he's the executive secretary of the Arkansas judicial um department interviewer: what about your father's education? did he go to school here in Arkansas 741: University of Arkansas well he went to Henderson uh right across the street for uh for college and and they had an academy there when he was in high school so he went to the Henderson high school academy whatever it was called at the time and then went on to Henderson and got a degree in violin he was a {C: laughs} football player and then went to University of Arkansas for his law degree interviewer: so was that a JD back then or a bachelor of law 741: #1 I don't know # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: I really don't interviewer: just got a law degree he did he do his undergraduate work there or now you said 741: at Henderson interviewer: {NS} at Henderson I got you what about your mother? is she from around here 741: my mother's from Louisiana and she is deceased interviewer: what part of Louisiana specifically was she from 741: uh Shreveport uh but her family moved around some I Arkansas Louisiana just this part of the interviewer: what about uh her education? 741: she went to Henderson and graduated interviewer: was she uh what about her occupation uh 741: {D: she was a housewife mostly but uh for quite a while she had the Huie insurance agency she which was her um agency} interviewer: did you know your grandparents? 741: oh yeah interviewer: say onto your father's side? 741: mm-hmm interviewer: where was your grandfather from? 741: right here interviewer: in Arkadelphia 741: right interviewer: mad about that {X} don't last very long let's see your grandfather on your father's side you said he was from Arkadelphia 741: right interviewer: what what did he do for a living? 741: he was a lawyer interviewer: and his education? 741: uh University of Virginia interviewer: I don't remember asking if I ask you if he's still living or not 741: no he's been dead a number of years interviewer: what about his wife where is she from? 741: she was from Texas interviewer: happen to know where? 741: uh wait a minute let's see ca- yeah I do but I can't Talladega? interviewer: Talladega? there's a Talladega, Alabama 741: {D: hat's out} maybe Talladega, Alabama I think's where she was born and then she moved to Texas and I interviewer: oh really? 741: can't now what is the name of that place she's talked about it think it's close to Tyler somewhere interviewer: if you happen to #1 remember # 741: #2 I # can look it up do you want me to look it up? interviewer: oh we can do that later on 741: okay interviewer: and uh her education you know #1 anything about # 741: #2 she # graduated from the University of Texas isn't that unusual to have a grandmother that I didn't know it was unusual for a a long time but it is unusual {C: interviewer laughing} interviewer: right 741: and she started the library at Henderson that's how she came to Arkadelphia and married my grandfather in fact the library is named after her interviewer: what is her name? 741: her name is {B} library at Henderson interviewer: so she was a professional librarian 741: mm-hmm interviewer: she did that all her life? 741: no not really she I don't know how many years she did it but uh by the time I have memories of her she was not a librarian anymore interviewer: what about your other grandparents on uh your mother's side 741: my mother's father uh also attended University of Virginia graduated from the University of Virginia and I believe that her mother did go to college but I don't remember anything about her graduating out of it that's I don't hear it didn't hear anything particular about that sh- I know she did some writing but I don't think she's ever sold anything interviewer: do you know where your grandfather was born? 741: that one mm-mm Louisiana's the closest thing I know I know they always would end up back in Shreveport that that area interviewer: what about his occupation? 741: he well uh had piano stores interviewer: so retail business? 741: mm-hmm interviewer: he did the tuning and all that too? 741: well his sons uh his son did he usually hired a tuner and then eventually his youngest son could uh could tune piano and still tunes pianos in the Shreveport area interviewer: what about uh his wife do you know where she was from? 741: no interviewer: didn't know if your so was she a housewife or 741: mm-hmm makes me feel bad I should know these these things about it interviewer: bad about that too {X} 741: well I know so much about the {B} side and {X} lived here #1 where they all were # interviewer: #2 right uh-huh # 741: you know and the {D: Wellburn side is} the Louisiana side we've just kind of lost contact with but I know that uh that my grandmother on my father's side came from Texas although I think Talladega Talla- Talladega think it's where she was born but they moved to Texas at some point not sure when interviewer: how old are you now? 741: I'm forty interviewer: and your occupation? 741: right now I'm a student interviewer: is that right 741: mm-hmm interviewer: going back 741: #1 mm-hmm I'm a # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: graduate student in uh speech and drama don't let any speech and drama majors listen to that tape they'll have a heart attack on the spot {C: laughing} interviewer: now don't worry 741: #1 I can do it # interviewer: #2 I won't # 741: correctly on the stage interviewer: well have you have you taught or uh as housewife or 741: I've been a housewife interviewer: {D: gran- sweeter than him} 741: mm-hmm interviewer: that right? did you graduate from Henderson? 741: I graduated from the University of Arkansas interviewer: I see 741: twenty years ago #1 and uh # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: then I came back I got a nursing degree B-S-N I started off as a freshman in drama at at the University and dropped out I mean I c- didn't I changed my major I didn't drop out I just changed my major and then just I've always loved it so I eventually went back to it when my children were older and went back to Henderson and got a a degree in theater arts hello yes I know oh well Thursday night we're performing {NS} right r- yeah right what time is the between seven thirty and nine well I'll tell you I'll send a gift I'm sorry that we'll be in makeup and ready to go at seven thirty uh well thanks a lot yeah you too okay bye bye interviewer: if I can get this straight your your first degree was that not the nursing degree 741: that it's a B-S-N nursing #1 degree from the University of Arkansas # interviewer: #2 {X} # okay 741: my second degree is a B-A in theater arts interviewer: and that one's from 741: Henderson interviewer: got that and you're working on an M-A now? 741: mm ah well I'm working on an M-S-E they don't offer an M-A sadly to say interviewer: what is that masters of science and education? how far along are you? 741: I just started #1 just # interviewer: #2 just started # 741: started this summer I've they uh offered me a scholarship and so I just thought well good easiest graduate hours I ever got I three hours for choreography and three hours for drama performance for acting I thought oh my word actually counting at graduate credit for doing what I've been doing for #1 fifteen # interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 741: or twenty years interviewer: well what are some of the productions you've been involved in? 741: oh jillions #1 would you like # interviewer: #2 oh really # 741: to see my list of credits {C: laughs} {C: laughing} uh well I mostly do choreography and I've choreographed uh I don't know the Music Man The Marriage of Figaro Amahl and the Night Visitors Susanna uh musical comedy opera and opera mostly uh oh let's see what else I can't even think of all of 'em right now we're doing the Boy Friend and I choreographed that and a rock musical called Keep Off the Grass interviewer: mm-hmm 741: which was really fun and #1 Oliver and # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: I don't just just I just on and o- I've been doing this for twenty years so you know I've really done a lot and I do a lot of costume design interviewer: is the department of speech and theater here pretty strong at Henderson 741: unfortunately not right now it has been in the past very strong but we've had some upheavals which have been unfortunate right now it's not too strong I'd like to go well of course I have a family I wish I could go to at least the University of Arkansas and and get my masters in costuming but I can't so you know well I mean I could but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go off and leave my family so I'm just gonna go ahead and get the education degree and do as much costuming as I can and because acting is not my I really don't like to do it I do it under duress interviewer: is that right? 741: but I love the rest of it I like directing I like and of course I wanna teach but the main reason I'm doing this either particularly the college as I would take a high school job but not with the enthusiasm that I would take a college job {C: interviewer laughing} interviewer: right right well let me ask you have have uh you been or are you now in any sort of uh civic club or professional group or a church group or anything like that anything of that sort 741: well I ha- I had been considerably more until I went back to school uh particularly the now I've sung in the choir for a jillion years you know and since I was two {NS} no not really but I you know thirteen I think interviewer: what church is that 741: methodist and uh the organization that I was the most active in I belonged to a number of junior auxiliary you know that sort of thing but the one I was most active in was the philharmonic club which is a member of the national federation of music clubs and thoroughly enjoyed that I music is music and theater are my loves interviewer: #1 right # 741: #2 and uh # interviewer: #1 # 741: #2 # we have very very strong clubs excellent programs we got a string movement going here which uh fed into the Arkansas symphony you know quite a number of of things like that going that uh that I really enjoyed but when I went back to sch- I just to tell you the truth just got tired of being an amateur I decided I wanted to be a professional interviewer: what about uh your husband do you uh you and he go to the same church 741: yeah #1 when he goes # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: his church is the golf course interviewer: yeah occasional {X} 741: uh-huh an occasional {X} interviewer: #1 but what about # 741: #2 or as they say # for burial purposes only interviewer: uh how old is {B} 741: he's forty six interviewer: did he go where did he go for his uh college track 741: University of Arkansas interviewer: all the way? 741: all the way medical school too interviewer: is the medical school in Fayetteville or 741: Little Rock interviewer: Little Rock yeah is he in any s uh type of uh yeah civic club that type of thing 741: oh he's in rotary interviewer: rotary 741: his main occupation besides being a doctor is playing golf and taking care of his race horses he goes out every day and feeds 'em and takes care of 'em and babies 'em and so far we've not won a penny at the track {C: laughing} but but we do have some nice looking race horses interviewer: does he race up there at Hot Springs 741: we have not had one good enough yet #1 Louisiana # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: we've made Louisiana Downs and didn't have much success but we've got three coming along be ready to race interviewer: mm-hmm 741: soon o- one will be ready to race this ye- this year and then we just have one mare right now we just keep breeding her to the best that's around here which is not too good interviewer: right 741: we hope to have one good enough to run to Oaklawn there's some awfully good horses at Oaklawn interviewer: I have been I was in Hot Springs good and all an interviewer I meant to go by because I heard so much about him but I just didn't manage but apparently around here it's uh it's uh it's uh one of 'em lands #1 on 'em # 741: #2 oh it # really is it's just it's suppo- from any magazine really that you were to pick up on racing it's supposed to be just the hottest small track in the country and uh owners really like to come here a lot of 'em do and jockeys and so forth they really like it {D: particularly Dan Lasater course he's from Arkansas but he's} he really does like Oaklawn he's in all kinds of national magazines that said that he how much he likes it interviewer: what about uh doctor {B} parents where are they from? 741: they're from Missouri interviewer: you know anything about uh where his grandparents are from? 741: Missouri interviewer: all from Missouri his ancestor's from 741: right I think though that there's some right across the border in Oklahoma I mean that's they live in that little corner of Missouri that Arkansas's right below 'em and Oklahoma's to the side of 'em it's just you know it's real close and I think some of 'em came from that interviewer: what is is he uh a general practitioner #1 or a # 741: #2 right # mm-hmm interviewer: I wanna back up for just a minute uh and ask you again about that uh uh you said you were born in Little Rock but uh the circumstances around that again were? you say it was uh what I'm trying to get at is your parents are do they have roots in Arkadelphia and they just moved to Little #1 Rock for the depression # 741: #2 right # interviewer: #1 # 741: #2 # well it was just that that just happened be where he got the job right at that af- at that time I'm trying to think now my mother told me about that I know they married here and there had just came an opening in Little Rock and they moved up there and that happened to be where I was born but they moved back interviewer: so your parents or your father is a is an Arkadelphia native 741: right interviewer: and uh 741: my mother came here to go to school and met my father interviewer: I see 741: and just stayed interviewer: and your father's parents at least his father is an Arkadelphia native too 741: right and so is his father interviewer: now your great grandfather 741: mm-hmm interviewer: is an Arkadelphia native some the reason I I wanted to go over that is sometimes that becomes a problem #1 and # 741: #2 when # someone's born somewhere #1 el- # interviewer: #2 yeah # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # usually they in this they're they're Doctor Pederson who's the uh director of this project is uh fairly strict about that uh and usually if the person was not born in the county uh 741: it doesn't count? interviewer: well preferably you know if they in a neighboring county or something like that how far away from we from Little Rock are by the way? 741: sixty-five #1 miles # interviewer: #2 sixty-five # miles how how many counties away is that do you know? 741: about three or four I #1 believe # interviewer: #2 is # that right I ho- I hope this won't be a problem because you sound like you're gonna be a good informant I'll probably give him a call and and let him know the situation but it seems like you know that uh he would like to go in and complete the interview because you do have a lot of ancestry here in Arkadelphia and since you moved back when you were so young I hope that won't be a you know a factor but you know I have to ask about it 741: right well I understand that interviewer: well let's see oh yeah I wanted you to tell me about uh your travel have you traveled much in Arkansas or out of state 741: mm-hmm interviewer: whereabouts have you been? or {X} 741: I've been from Mexico to Canada lived in Hawaii I've been in all the states except the northwest I've been to Europe western Europe interviewer: was most of the travel done for vacation or uh 741: right exc- just except when we went to Hawaii when my husband graduated from medical school well and so he went through medical school on the Navy plan and so he had to pay back three years to the Navy so when he finished his internship he went into the Navy and I was just right out of school and so we went there for three years and the traveling we did then of course was business but it was like a vacation interviewer: well that's a that's about as perfect a setup I think I ever heard of you know being stationed in Hawaii 741: #1 oh it was marvelous # interviewer: #2 {X} # the service path 741: #1 my two sons # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: were born there interviewer: is that right do you have you have two children only 741: I've got three interviewer: you got three what are what are they uh they all doing? uh 741: well my oldest son is right now working at the hospital uh in the lab he's graduated from high school and he's going to the University of Arkansas in pre-med and then my second son who is seventeen will probably show up in a few minutes he's got a part time job at the pro shop at the country club he goes to Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire and CB radio: {X} interviewer: picking up somebody's C-B go ahead 741: my daughter is fourteen and she'll be in the ninth grade she's very much into music drama CB radio: {X} interviewer: I always ha- I always heard that the French horn was the most difficult of of the orchestra instruments 741: #1 that's what they say # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: but she didn't know any better when she started off so interviewer: yeah 741: she's a pretty talented little ol' kid interviewer: yeah well could you tell me about uh the house that you were uh raised in? uh what it was like you know the the different rooms in it that sort of thing? 741: well the first house I lived in that I can remember is this house right here #1 it was my # interviewer: #2 oh really # 741: grandmother's house but it didn't look like this no- like it does now it was a typical Victorian cottage they called 'em cottages we remodeled it extensively when we moved in and then when I was about three or four we moved to the house that I lived in up until I married and that's oh about three blocks from here and it was just uh average white frame house three bedrooms two baths in those days that's pretty unusual at least for this part of the country uh living room dining room combination and kitchen breakfast room combination with a washing facilities interviewer: well what about this house as it is now? could you describe that? 741: this house right here? surely well it's of I guess you'd call it a fake Williamsburg cause I love Williamsburg although most people say well it's very reminiscent of New England we I made my first trip to New England when we took our son up to Exeter to be interviewed and it the whole town looked just like my house so I {C: laughing} just fell in love with the town #1 Exeter # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: New Hampshire just beautiful but it's very plain just uh straight lines two story grayish green CB radio: {X} 741: it has uh CB radio: {X} 741: drop dead interviewer: does that come through your stereo and all 741: #1 sometimes # interviewer: #2 that # 741: sometimes it comes through #1 the # interviewer: #2 TV # 741: the TV interviewer: it's really out of nowhere ain't it 741: the house is almost a saltbox from the outside it has a fan light over the front door with the colonial paneling a single door with uh lights on each side then it has a brick walkway out onto the front with uh well a little porch I guess you'd call it just a stoop some people would call it #1 just a # interviewer: #2 right # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: uh with brick steps going down each side not from the front but down each side black wrought iron railing going across the front and down each side but it's very simple it's not ornate wrought iron at all very plain then they have uh right in the front if you're facing the house there's a {D: rowlock} of brick that has wrought iron that goes with the fan light it's shaped like the fan light very very simple then the sidewalk curves around from each of the steps curves around and meets in the center and then goes into one big sidewalk that goes out to the main sidewalk and to the street and the back of the house is a little bit different it's uh the carport has arched columns which are painted white and a curving driveway into it bay window in the kitchen French doors in the bedroom out onto a little porch that's covered and has small white wooden columns which square columns which match the carport arched columns the square columns beneath the arch columns and I found those columns in a stable in Virginia and uh I think it's behind Carter Carter's Grove is where I found those when I was uh having the house remodeled I did a lot of traveling in Virginia looking at different ways of doing steps coming up to the front door and all that kind of thing spent a lot of time in Williamsburg and the surrounding James River valley I liked it a lot interviewer: this room that we're in now you'd call this a 741: we call it the library mainly cause we have our bunch of our reference books in here I've had to divide up we've got bookcases all in the the living room too and cour- as you can see it's just jammed it was just we I really need to re- do because we've just got more books than we can get in here but I've tried to keep all the reference books in here but and we do have the television in here and this is really kind of the room we live in in the winter time we spend more time in the living room the fireplace is in there I'm not a television watcher I spend more time in the living room I read in there I'm a reader in fact the whole family are readers except the oldest son he's a television watcher interviewer: well you ment- you've got all this uh you mentioned the living room have you ever heard people around here call it anything else? besides living room 741: well my grandmother uh would call it a parlor or a sitting room all of my friends would say living room interviewer: do you if consider the living room to be the best room in the house uh 741: no I like this room better most people uh do around here but uh they will have a a living room they call it but they never live in it they never go in it the kids aren't allowed in it they you know everything's covered in damask and nobody dares walk through in their dirty feet but our living room's not like that at all it's we have the fireplace and the big scrunchy comfortable couch and I just don't like to live that formally interviewer: you mentioned couch have you ever heard that uh called anything else? 741: divan mm-hmm interviewer: do you have ever heard uh anybody call it #1 uh # 741: #2 sofa # interviewer: #1 # 741: #2 # right interviewer: that or what about a Chesterfield? 741: no haven't heard it called a Chesterfield interviewer: these are these are rather high ceilings about 741: #1 they're ten feet # interviewer: #2 how # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: they were twelve but we put when we put in the air conditioning we had to put the you know the duct work interviewer: right 741: and it's uh it's right above this so we had to lower 'em I didn't want to lower 'em at all but I didn't realize how cold it would be interviewer: uh-huh 741: {NW} interviewer: pretty chilly huh 741: it really gets cold in the winter with these high ceilings interviewer: you mentioned a uh fireplace I want to ask you a little bit about that what uh that open area you know in front of the fireplace what have you heard of that called? 741: the open #1 area in front of the hear- # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: in front of the #1 fireplace? # interviewer: #2 yeah in # some houses with fireplaces you'll have an an open area I guess it's you know just to have a space to prevent sparks from catching fire to something 741: oh I know what you're talking about um I don't know I don't know {C: laughing} having a mental blank the hearth #1 I guess that's that's # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: the main thing that I guess you'd call it we have a it seems like there's something else I call it but I can't think of what it is interviewer: well what about uh the the big pieces of wood that are burning in a fireplace have you ever heard those referred to as 741: #1 anything # interviewer: #2 anything # 741: besides logs interviewer: yeah 741: no I really haven't interviewer: you ever heard uh people talk about back sticks or back logs 741: no interviewer: well what about the uh the wood that you use to start the fire {X} 741: #1 kindling # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: we have a gas jet but #1 I've heard of # interviewer: #2 yeah # 741: kindling interviewer: you know uh that's one thing interesting thing that I've found as far as the difference between uh this area and where I'm from uh most people will say uh rather than kindling uh lightwood or 741: #1 around here? # interviewer: #2 {X} # no 741: #1 where where you're in Alabama they say lightwood instead of kindling? # interviewer: #2 {X} # yeah that's a smart expression to most people that I've talked to 741: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 {X} # have you ever heard that 741: #1 no I never have # interviewer: #2 never heard of lightwood # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # well what about uh the things that you put the logs across inside the fireplace 741: I have a cradle uh let's see well most people have andirons interviewer: andirons 741: mm-hmm interviewer: you ever heard those called anything besides that? 741: I probably have but I can't think of it right now interviewer: ever heard it called firedogs? or dog irons? 741: dog irons I think I've heard that right interviewer: would an uh uh older person be more likely to use that do you think 741: not in my family interviewer: you say andirons 741: andirons interviewer: well what about uh you know when you burn a good bit of wood in a fireplace you'll have this black substance form on the sides 741: #1 the soot # interviewer: #2 {X} # uh and what about uh when the wood has completely burned the only thing left 741: ashes interviewer: what color are those usually? 741: gray {NS} hello yes oh good grief well listen I'm being interviewed just walk on home and listen tell the people at uh at Exxon you know at the Exxon station tell 'em about it and tell 'em to go see what's the matter with it okay bye bye interviewer: need me to pick somebody up? 741: #1 no that's okay # interviewer: #2 that's okay # 741: good boy {D: needs to walk} interviewer: that your son? 741: yes {NS} the car died again I'll tell you everything mechanical is just going to pieces #1 this summer it's just terrible # interviewer: #2 that right # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # knock on wood I hope I don't have any trouble with my 741: #1 mm-kay # interviewer: #2 car # 741: we were at gray ashes interviewer: your gray ashes 741: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 right # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # what what about uh you know right above the fireplace you'd usually have a 741: mantel interviewer: yeah you ever heard that called anything besides mantel 741: don't think so may have interviewer: maybe uh 741: I'm not a good crossword puzzle person if I {C: interviewer laughing} {X} CB radio: {X} 741: it's just interviewer: I see well what about uh you know the uh the thing right at the top of the house made out of brick that slope goes through the 741: chimney interviewer: now if it were uh one of these tall things uh factory or an industrial plant what would its 741: smokestack interviewer: that would be a smokestack well what about uh some typical things that you would have in your living room uh CB radio: {X} interviewer: ten-four go ahead 741: some things I would have in my living room well in my living room I CB radio: {X} 741: I wish they'd go away know what I bet that's security over at Henderson interviewer: campus police? 741: mm-hmm well in my living room I have an old trestle table which belonged to my great grandfather in fact was the board of directors table for the citizen's bank when it was formed here and was in the basement of the {D: Catter} hotel for a long time and we resurrected it and brought it back in a- it's not a very pretty piece of furniture but it holds a lot of things and I have a couch and some chairs and a piano and I wish I had some end tables it's not completely furnished yet one of these days it will be lamps what else drawings pictures paintings that sort of thing interviewer: uh do you want to shoot for a particular hour or just #1 say when # 741: #2 just go # ahead just I'll tell you when I have to interviewer: okay 741: cook supper that'll be the only thing interviewer: okay well uh what are the typical things you would have in your bedroom? 741: well we have a dresser and uh we have a small couch in there a loveseat king sized bed end tables lamps just your standard sort of thing we uh have a really lovely chest I think but prettiest new pieces I like new furniture but I do like this it's a new piece that's uh nice French in design it's really pretty it's uh has three drawers interviewer: you mentioned dresser have you ever heard people call that anything else 741: I can remember my grandmother calling these high boys that she had chiffoniers interviewer: chiffoniers now was that completely uh of drawers or was there any sort of 741: #1 trying to remember # interviewer: #2 hanging space or error # or anything like that 741: they used to have uh I c- I can remember some of the old furniture that my grandmother had that's that horrible mission oak stuff that people s- still buy can't imagine but they do but I mean everyone has their own taste they can buy what they like uh that had drawers on one side and had a had an opening that you could hang things in on the other like I guess like a small wardrobe she used to have some enormous wardrobe you know just really interviewer: and that was entirely hanging space 741: right mm-hmm interviewer: and what you call now the place where you hang your clothes that's 741: #1 the closet # interviewer: #2 just a # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # what about uh anything called a chifforobe 741: I've I've heard those terms but I've never heard them used in my family interviewer: you're not sure what's being described? or what's being referred to? when people #1 talk about a # 741: #2 not # interviewer: chifforobe 741: not really I'd I'd assumed it's something like the chiffon- chiffonier I just {C: laughing} I just have some sort of vague picture in my #1 mind but # interviewer: #2 right # 741: I'm not it's not terms that we use #1 no # interviewer: #2 right # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # I see well what about the you know the things that are over your windows to keep out the light you call those your 741: drapes interviewer: these are the drapes and uh these things that some people have uh they're on rollers you know you can pull 'em down 741: oh shades interviewer: here you call those shades 741: right interviewer: well what about uh these things that are they're they're slanted you know and you can adjust 741: Venetian blinds interviewer: Venetian blinds some houses I don't know if this house has one or not but right underneath the uh the roof you know a space that might be used for storage or something like 741: #1 the attic # interviewer: #2 that # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # now were you when you were talking about uh your house your kitchen in your house have you ever seen a maybe an older house around here uh in which the kitchen was built away from the house as a 741: this one originally had that interviewer: is that 741: #1 I think # interviewer: #2 right # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: but it's been added to and remodeled so many times I've never uh and it seems to me like my no I r- I haven't seen it myself I've just heard that there have been places although I can still remember the wash pot #1 in the backyard # interviewer: #2 yeah yeah # uh-huh 741: and I had a g- a gas jet under it and that great big black kettle and and uh we'd wash those clothes and have a stick #1 you know # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # right well now you ever heard that that kitchen that's built away from the house uh called anything just other than the kitchen 741: I really haven't and to tell you the truth the place I heard where I heard about that was in Virginia interviewer: fair enough 741: so I it's I'm not sure that it was common in this area or you might have to ask the older people because I'm not interviewer: well just out of curiosity do you have any idea why it was built away from the house like that 741: well uh because of the heat and fire #1 I would imagine # interviewer: #2 heat I # see well what about uh maybe a room built right off the kitchen where a person might store extra dishes or canned 741: #1 pantry # interviewer: #2 goods # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # that would be called a pantry what would what would you call say a uh things that you might keep around maybe for sentimental value but they're really not worth much maybe a broken chair or something like that 741: oh I've got a lot of those interviewer: you'd just say you had a lot of uh 741: junk interviewer: do y'all heard of of people having a separate room in their house where they kept all of that stuff? 741: no interviewer: what'd you what would you do you have any idea what it might be called if uh 741: a separate room interviewer: yeah where they kept #1 all of the # 741: #2 just # for their sentimental #1 type of thing # interviewer: #2 or just # you know things that they didn't want to get rid of or 741: #1 junk room # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 {C: laughing} # interviewer: #2 # let me ask you about this expression so you know sometimes when a woman uh gets up early in the morning she might uh go around the house straighten up something here or dust a little something there what would you say she's doing when she uh she does that sort of thing or what would you say you were doing if you did something like that 741: I'd say I was straightening up interviewer: straightening around you ever heard it put any other way? 741: not really I'm sure I I probably have but {D: S} we just very seldom talk about doing h- #1 a little housewifely chores is not what our usual conversation # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 {C: laughs} # interviewer: #2 {C: laughs} # do you ever hear of people saying tidying up or #1 anything like that # 741: #2 uh yes # uh-huh tidying up interviewer: well when do your when you're cleaning this thing that you sweep with that's a 741: the broom interviewer: have you ever seen one uh that was built uh other than the usual banner you know something or other that the in the long wood handle you ever see one that was old fashioned made entirely out of that greenish trunk 741: only in restorations interviewer: well let me ask you about this expression say if uh I were to if I were looking for the broom and uh it was in the corner and the door was open so that I couldn't see the broom you would tell me that the broom is in relation to the door it's 741: behind the door interviewer: do you ever hear of people say uh anything like was in back of the door 741: mm-mm interviewer: well let's say if you had uh you know you got all your dirty clothes and all of this uh I don't know if it's it's true nowadays but they used to I believe that women set aside undies for doing 741: #1 wash day # interviewer: #2 you know # wash day they would they would just say that they had to do their 741: washing interviewer: do their washing is there anything else that that might be 741: #1 or laundry # interviewer: #2 called # or a laundry 741: either one I'd I think I say laundry more than I do washing it's just sort of interchangeable but I do I think I do say doing the laundry but actually I don't do it very often {X} got help that {C: laughing} #1 does it so # interviewer: #2 yeah # 741: I don't interviewer: yeah 741: I g- I think I say laundry more than I do washing interviewer: well is that is that uh true that uh what I was saying about make these having been wash day have you ever heard that or 741: it was years ago so I understand but I think most of us with automatic washers uh wash constantly particularly if you have many children interviewer: do you happen to know of uh uh any other days that that at one time in the past were set aside for other specific chores you ever heard of anything like that 741: mostly from reading I think although uh I can remember years back that uh that we did have specific days that the laundry was done and uh they would wash on Monday and iron on Tuesday and that sort of thing but really and truly with the way most people would share help uh you washed on the day the maid came whatever day that happened to be at least that's when my mother my mother did I'm sure that people that had full time help now my mother had full time help for a while well most of the years I think but uh and so did my grandmother but sometimes they would share a maid and when they did it was whatever day that the maid came interviewer: you were talking about the outside steps a few minutes ago now the ones inside that you go #1 up to # 741: #2 the stairway # interviewer: call that the stairway and you were talking 741: #1 or the stairs # interviewer: #2 about # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # yeah you were talking about the porch too have you ever heard people around here call that anything besides just the porch 741: I've heard some people call it a stoop interviewer: stoop now would that be uh would that uh it'd be called a stoop according to a particular size or would what you know 741: #1 I I don't don't # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: really know it's just something I've heard people call it interviewer: I see do you ever hear it called the gallery or anything? {X} 741: heard verandas but those were usually the wide porches that wrapped around the houses or at least went the length it was not just a little bitty step thing that I've got out there {D: I just don't know} know what to call that uh it's just just really just a place just to stand on but if you have a big porch it's called a porch or a veranda but that was the older people that had verandas #1 it's kind of # interviewer: #2 well what about # 741: long since gone by interviewer: well what about uh something like that except on a an upper 741: #1 the balcony # interviewer: #2 {X} # that would be the let me ask you about this expression say if I had a walk in the room and left the door open and you didn't want it to stay like that you'd probably tell me to do what 741: close the door interviewer: close the door you ever heard people say anything else? 741: shut the door interviewer: shut the door why why would you say close and not shut is that uh 741: #1 I probably would # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: say shut I have a line in the play that says close the door so I just said close the door sometimes I'd say eith- either one it's interchangeable interviewer: you know on the the outside of a a frame houses the boards that overlap each other kinda like this you know what I'm talking about you ever heard that called anything particular 741: siding interviewer: siding would that be the same thing as as what some people might call weatherboarding have you ever heard of that? and they're a CB radio: {X} interviewer: you ever heard flat board? 741: well yes I think I CB radio: {X} 741: when I said that the house I grew up in was a a clapboard house interviewer: that's a and that's what I was describing that type of uh {D: prophylactic extractor} 741: that's that's what I see in my mind's eye when I hear the word clapboard clapboard interviewer: and uh the part of the house the top part that covers everything you'd call 741: #1 the roof # interviewer: #2 that # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # you know right at the edge of the roof some houses have these uh things uh that will run up the edge they carry off the rainwater you know what that's called 741: yes I'm having a mental blank again uh we have uh oh pooey oh I'll think of it I'm just having a mental blank interviewer: okay well 741: #1 uh # interviewer: #2 we'll come # interviewer: I'll come back 741: #1 advanced # interviewer: #2 to it # 741: senility interviewer: well what about uh you know some houses have different slopes to the roof the at the part where the different slopes meet kinda like that have you ever heard that called anything in particular place where different slopes of a roof meet 741: oh yes uh I'm having another mental lapse just the where the pitch of the roof is at the height right that's what you're talking about interviewer: well uh not exactly say if uh well this would be the lowest point right here where my hands are touching you would these would be the different slopes you know like so and then they meet in places like this 741: right yeah I know the name of that and I can't think of it either interviewer: well have you ever heard it called a valley? 741: no interviewer: never heard it called 741: #1 no # interviewer: #2 that # 741: but there's a there is a name for it cause I remember what a hassle we had with it when we had to when we were getting this roof put on and we talked about it at length and now I can't remember what it was what we what we called it interviewer: well talking about those things that uh carry all the rain water were you thinking gutters? 741: uh we gutters right is used uh drain pipes interviewer: now are those gutters usually built into the edge or suspended or what 741: they're attached onto right to the edge of the roof interviewer: you have 'em on this house? 741: we call 'em something else too I don't can't think of what it is interviewer: what about a t- maybe a little building that you might have uh behind your house or say on a farm or wherever you might keep uh 741: toolshed interviewer: toolshed 741: #1 if that's what you're thinking # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: uh or toolhouse we call it toolhouse toolshed uh mostly interviewer: what about you know in the days before you had indoor plumbing 741: #1 the outhouse? # interviewer: #2 people would # yeah you ever heard it called anything besides out- 741: #1 oh # interviewer: #2 house # 741: heavens yes let's see I think there's about a jillion words for it {C: interviewer laughing} if I can think of any of 'em I only knew of one person that really had one I can't think of any of 'em right now interviewer: perhaps just called outdoor toilet 741: #1 they're just outhouses # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: just the outhouse that was that's the main thing that it's called is the outhouse and there's something else too that they're c- they're always talking about knocking 'em over that was the that was the big trick on Halloween is to #1 go out and knock over # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: people's outhouses interviewer: right pretty diabolical 741: #1 oh isn't that horrible # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: but I can't think what else they called 'em they had lots of names for that just all kinds of names for 'em interviewer: was it privy or 741: yeah privy if you can think of some of 'em I can tell you whether they're used around here or not I've heard lots of words used interviewer: uh-huh you ever heard it called a necessary? 741: yes I have but I've heard indoor ones called a necessary interviewer: that right 741: mm-hmm interviewer: the john 741: oh yeah {D: everybody has} that's inside or #1 outside # interviewer: #2 inside # or outside 741: anywhere interviewer: I don't know if you know anything about farms or not 741: not too much but I do know {C: interviewer laughing} I do know a little bit interviewer: okay well I just wanna ask you uh some questions about it uh if you don't know the answer that's okay um w- you know just to start off what about some names of uh buildings that you would find on a typical farm around here 741: there'd be the barn the stables the uh corrals the pens uh mostly what I know about are h- are horse farms I can tell you a lot about horse farms I've you know with #1 that being # interviewer: #2 sure # 741: you know uh there you'll find well actually at Delta farm they've actually got a a track that they work the horses on they have paddocks interviewer: now what is that? 741: a paddock is a small corral it holds one one horse usually they keep the studs in the in the paddocks usually now a paddock can be quite large it's like a corral w- corral is more of a western word and paddock is more horse language racehorse language uh and the uh oh what are all the the terminology that they use yearlings and weanlings and studs and and uh then they have uh the actual stables where they have the horses in training then they have the mare barns they have the breeding barns they have tack rooms where they keep all of the leather goods and things like that that they use to ride the horses train the horses breed the horses take care of 'em whatever manager's office the farm house uh quite often in most mo- a lot of these farms around here even horse farms or cattle farms or whatever they'll have a a storm shelter or a s- a storm cellar they call it interviewer: do you have trouble with 741: #1 tornadoes # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: tornadoes are terrible around here anything else you wanna know about a horse farm {C: interviewer laughing} {X} interviewer: well let's see might as well go ahead and ask you about this uh that noise that a horse makes you 741: #1 whinny # interviewer: #2 know # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # call that a whinny 741: nicker #1 whinny # interviewer: #2 and nicker # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # means the same thing? 741: does to me a nicker usually I think of would be a shorter whinny being a l- something loud and long and shrill and a nicker just being a little little sound sometimes kind of a little affectionate sound but a a whinny can be pretty loud interviewer: what if you were going to uh get your horse uh ready to ride all that stuff that 741: #1 the grooming # interviewer: #2 you have to # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # or you'd say when you put all that on you'd say you were going to your horse uh 741: saddle? interviewer: saddle or CB radio: {X} 741: no I can't think of anything else CB radio: {X} interviewer: maybe harness at all? 741: not not harness not to #1 ride that way # interviewer: #2 what would # that mean? 741: well I guess you could harness to me when you put a horse in a harness see or a you're gonna uh hitch up a wagon to him or you're gonna hitch up a plow to him a harness usually at least to me denotes a very long reins and lots of other trappings on him besides just the light little bridle and and saddle that you would for either pleasure riding or for racing harness is usually pretty heavy duty equipment interviewer: what about the things that you put your feet in when you 741: #1 stirrups # interviewer: #2 ride # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # and those things that go on the horse's feet to protect 'em 741: #1 what # interviewer: #2 call those # 741: the shoes? interviewer: shoes 741: horseshoes interviewer: have you ever heard of people around here playing games with those things? 741: oh sure they play horseshoes interviewer: do they ever would they say pitching 741: #1 pitch horseshoes # interviewer: #2 horseshoes # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # and what about uh the part of the horse's uh foot that you put the horseshoes on 741: #1 hoof # interviewer: #2 the # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # and with the plural you say 741: hooves interviewer: now getting back to a just a regular farm have you ever heard of any uh building uh that a farm would use to store some kind of grain in 741: silo interviewer: you'd call it a silo any anything 741: #1 grain # interviewer: #2 else # 741: elevator interviewer: what about would corn be stored in a silo or 741: #1 oh you're talking about a # interviewer: #2 is that # 741: corn bin interviewer: corn bin 741: mm-hmm interviewer: have you ever heard that called a corn crib? 741: corn crib mm-hmm I've heard of mostly the f- th- farms I've been on they call 'em bins corn crib is is an old word but it's not one that I really hear associated with modern any kind of modern far- farming interviewer: any sort of building uh that might be used for storing grain called a granary you ever heard of that? 741: I've heard the word grainery but I I haven't heard it referred to as any specific building interviewer: well what about the part of the barn where uh the hay might be kept 741: #1 hayloft # interviewer: #2 in # hayloft 741: mm-hmm and I don't think I've ever heard it called anything but a hayloft or just a loft interviewer: you know sometimes when the upper part of the {X} before he bales it it might be piled up in these big things 741: #1 the big stacks # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: the haystacks I don't think we ever see haystacks anymore interviewer: is that right is it all baled now or 741: #1 it's all # interviewer: #2 uh # 741: baled by these big baling machines and uh in fact now they're going into the great huge rolls of it #1 so that we don't see hay stacks anymore we see great huge hay rolls # interviewer: #2 yeah yeah right # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: uh but course now we for our farm we still get the bales of hay and they just they just bale it right out there in the fields and they just leave the bales just sitting there and then you come along with your truck and pick 'em up and and stack 'em interviewer: can you remember the last time you saw a haystack? 741: yeah in Europe {C: laughing} interviewer: oh really 741: yeah {C: interviewer laughing} uh interviewer: what about around here? 741: seems to me like there is a farm back way back in the back woods uh we were moving a mare I think down to Delta farm that's down in {D: Okolona} and it seems to me like one of those farms way back there in the woods had a haystack but that's to me the only time I can even remember seeing and I mean they baled hay around here for at least what I've seen for as long as I can remember interviewer: could you describe the shape of it very briefly? what you would think of as a haystack? 741: the shape of it well it's kind of shaped like a cone slightly fatter than a cone more uneven interviewer: did you happen to know whether uh those things have a pole running up through the middle of 'em have you ever 741: #1 I would assume # interviewer: #2 heard of that # 741: that they do but I don't really know I've never seen one up close I w- I would think that they do interviewer: now used to what the farmer would bring in his hay from the field he would usually put it in a wagon and it would have this type of wooden thing right on the sides of the wagon that would uh support the hay know what I'm talking 741: #1 mm-mm # interviewer: #2 about # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # you ever heard that piece they call it a hay rack on a wagon 741: #1 no you're you're you're getting here # interviewer: #2 {D: not particularly} # 741: {D: yourself} interviewer: okay any particular terms you've ever heard a small piles of hay just raked up in the field? 741: mm-mm interviewer: are you familiar with the word {D: winnows} 741: no I'm not I'm not {X} have very little farm #1 background # interviewer: #2 that's # okay that's alright there I just wanna ask you the questions to see if you have heard of 'em or what about the shelter other than the barn or uh storing hay might consist of say four poles and some sort of roof that the hay average bale would be put under 741: mm-hmm I don't know what that would be called I kn- I know what you mean but I interviewer: so you've seen them around 741: #1 I've seen # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: most people put their hay in barns again mainly cause we've got such strong winds and and um when the rain comes in it blows it and it would be n- it wouldn't be too uh it would rot you know if it gets wet and most people do keep 'em in barns where they're enclosed all the way around you would only put it out that would unless you're talking about a feeding area where they would put the #1 the hay out # interviewer: #2 {D: now wouldn't} # yeah 741: the hay out in these little racks uh they'd have little roofs over 'em and the livestock will come up and and eat from 'em but I've never seen 'em really leave 'em there like you do in a in a hayloft or a barn interviewer: is there any uh place where a farmer might keep his cows inside so even bad weather or just put 'em in the 741: they just stay outside I hear they d- {C: laughing} really do they d- they don't freeze or anything so they oh we have very little really bad freezing weather interviewer: have you ever heard of anything called a cow barn? around here 741: sure {C: doorbell} but they I don't do I don't believe they really keep cows in 'em they might Mike I want you to meet mister Basset and this is my son Mike interviewer: #1 how you doing # Aux: #2 mister Basset # interviewer: #1 # Aux: #2 # interviewer: glad to meet you 741: #1 from # Aux: #2 sir # 741: Alabama and what's the name of the institution you're with? interviewer: well I'm working with Emory 741: #1 Emory University # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: #1 working on # interviewer: #2 sure am # 741: your master's or your doctorate? interviewer: PhD 741: wonderful it's uh he's a linguist Mike interviewer: trying to be not quite there yet so you had trouble with your car #1 out there # Aux: #2 oh # yes was terrible 741: it sure is it's bad now speaking of this is very interesting his speech has changed considerably since he's been in school in New Hampshire #1 he's # interviewer: #2 is that right # 741: very embarrassed about our Arkansas heritage {C: interviewer laughing} his he thinks that it's really a yo-yo to be a southerner right #1 now so we're hoping that he's going to outgrow that {C: interviewer laughing} # Aux: #2 {X} # 741: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # 741: he was just horrified with the idea of us coming up to visit him and all of his {D: all of your Yankee friends hearing us Elly May Clampett coming to the Northeast} interviewer: {X} 741: #1 I said # interviewer: #2 {X} # {X} {X} Aux: {D: my god} almost 741: but they all say Mike sounds like a Yankee now everybody down #1 here # Aux: #2 every # body down here thinks it's absurd 741: Mike you sound like a Yankee Aux: my 741: #1 in fact they won't even call him # Aux: #2 father {X} # 741: Mike they call him Michael up there because Mike is is a Aux: #1 derogatory term # 741: #2 derogatory # term Aux: #1 to the Irish up there # interviewer: #2 yeah yeah # 741: mm-hmm interviewer: oh yeah oh yeah Aux: gonna have something to drink I walk home walked home 741: mm-kay interviewer: oh let's see oh yeah what about uh any any particular name for the place where a farmer would milk his cows that you've ever heard of 741: milking they have milking barns milking sheds interviewer: well what about uh the place where a farmer would keep his hogs that would be the 741: pig pen interviewer: pig pen do you know if most of those uh that you know about were they open or was some was there some kind of shelter or enclosure 741: only times I've ever seen pigs they've been out just out in the in a pen and I d- I don't them think that they probably did have some sort of sheltered area but I'm I'm really not that's just not my field interviewer: yeah well what about uh say a uh a farm in which the uh the farmer raised cattle exclusively for milk and butter that sort of thing you'd call 741: #1 the dairy # interviewer: #2 that # 741: dairy farmer interviewer: is there anything else that you would use the word dairy in reference to 741: just dairy #1 products # interviewer: #2 dairy # products 741: milk eggs I mean not eggs but milk and you know all that butter and interviewer: what a what about a processing plant that 741: #1 I'd # interviewer: #2 uh # 741: call it a dairy yeah interviewer: dairy too have you ever heard of uh a place uh this would be used years ago before refrigeration uh where a farmer might take his milk and his butter you know things that were perishable 741: mm-hmm interviewer: maybe to uh a place where he had running water and put 'em in the water to keep 'em 741: #1 I've heard of # interviewer: #2 cool # 741: that uh-huh interviewer: no particular name 741: #1 no uh oh # interviewer: #2 as far as you can remember # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: well yes I have too if I could think of it actually where I think I heard of it was at the territorial restoration in Little Rock uh hmm there's rings a bell some where but I I don't really I've never known anyone that actually did it but I have heard of it interviewer: have you ever heard of people putting it down a well 741: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 to keep it # cool 741: mm-hmm interviewer: were you thinking of springhouse or 741: #1 springhouse right # interviewer: #2 something like that # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 741: #1 I've heard of a springhouse # interviewer: #2 {X} # 741: #1 # interviewer: #2 # well what about the place on the barn the barn on the farm uh maybe around the barn an open place where the cattle might walk