741:  pictures of it you know just to keep 'em rented and collect the rent and take care of any little problems that come up. So he's had kind of bad luck with this last one and so he asked Mike if he'd do it this summer and if I would take care of it this fall {C: crumpling} {NS} so that's gonna and he got we get ten percent of the rent. Mike made eight dollars and #1 fifty cents while #
Auxiliary:  #2 {X} #
741:  he was out riding around this morning somebody brought a check by.
interviewer:  Not bad.
Auxiliary:  Not bad at all for no work. anyway it will be some work though.
741:  #1 {X} #
Auxiliary:  #2 Well # what happened with #1 the checking #
741:  #2 he has to # go see about roaches and bad plumbing and you know #1 anything that #
Auxiliary:  #2 roof # check
741:  uh Let's see I think it's right here. Yeah. {X}
Auxiliary:  Okay. Let's take this all and put it on my desk.
741:  Okay. {NS}
Auxiliary:  Wonderful.
741:  All right great. {NS}
Auxiliary:  Okay. Or dad said I could go to Little Rock. #1 Monday. #
741:  #2 Monday. # Okay.
Auxiliary:  Oh I fixed the little glove compartment on Richard's car
741:  Okay. #1 well mow #
Auxiliary:  #2 {X} #
741:  the yard and #1 clip the hedge #
Auxiliary:  #2 {X} # {X}
741:  Don't forget don't put it off 'til there's no time to do it.
Auxiliary:  I won't.
interviewer:  Awfully hot to be #1 {X} #
Auxiliary:  #2 {D: Yeah I refuse.} # {X}
interviewer:  Did you ever think of that expression you were trying to think of yesterday when we were talking about the uh hog you know that had been altered and you said it was?
741:  #1 I never could think of it I don't know #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  what I h- it it's some corruption of c- of castration but I don't know. Hello? Richard? um He's at work uh-huh I don't know sometimes he takes the afternoon off but he didn't today. That I had no idea. Oh okay well why don't you call Richard at the lab? Why don't you call Richard at the lab? {X} It's just Clark County hospital and ask for the uh the lab. uh-huh bye-bye. {NS} My voice is a little uh tired today from the show sometimes that happens to me when I perform and have to sing a lot.
interviewer:  Did you have a performance?
741:  We had a performance last night and uh it it it gets kind of uh husky or something in the day time so I'll sound a little different. Won't #1 pronounce the words #
interviewer:  #2 I know #
741:  any differently but {C: laughing} {NW}
interviewer:  Yeah I know what you mean same thing happens to me at the beginning of every quarter you know with teaching I have to have a short break I have to get used to the speaking you know.
741:  Right.
interviewer:  Fifty minutes at a time you know I'm hoarse.
741:  Well I'm {C: clang} having to sing in a range that I don't normally sing in and it really tires my voice out. No I don't know it was some corruption of ca- and I can remember from about way back in uh oh when I was about thirteen years old and I had a horse and uh that I just knew more farm people at that time and they had hogs and they had cattle and I heard 'em talking about castrating uh but I I've forgotten what they used. But I can remember telling my parents about it you know and they just just collapsed falling out laughing and but I cannot remember what the word is but it's a corruption of castration I don't #1 I don't know. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # It's not just uh a variant pronunciation like a lot of people say castrate? {C: pronunciation}
741:  It it must not have it must have been something
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  stranger than that I'm sure somebody did use castrate {C: pronunciation} but
interviewer:  What do you call those things that when you feed a hog you know pour the feed
741:  #1 Trough. #
interviewer:  #2 into? # {NS} A full bag of that would be several?
741:  Troughs? I don't know. {NS}
interviewer:  Say talking about cattle you know the noise that's made by a calf when it's being weaned. How would you describe that you might say well listen to that calf?
741:  Lowing.
interviewer:  Lowing. Would that be the same uh for a cow say that's hungry or wants to be milked say what the
741:  #1 a cow #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  cow that wants to be milked I think they bawl.
interviewer:  Bawl. What about say uh a comprehensive term for uh feathered animals like ducks and chicken and geese and?
741:  Fowl.
interviewer:  You'd say you have a lot of fowl. Talking about fowl say uh a chicken or a hen that's on a nest trying to hatch out something what would you call that you'd say that's a?
741:  Oh she was nesting I don't know. Laying.
interviewer:  Have you ever heard people call that a settler?
741:  I may have.
interviewer:  Talking about chickens
741:  Let me touch shut this door I think we've got an awful lot of extraneous noise. {NS} {NS}
interviewer:  Talking about chickens do you know about uh
741:  {NW} Not my strong subject.
interviewer:  Yeah. {NW} Those these thing these uh these things that they're shipped to market in
741:  #1 The crates? #
interviewer:  #2 sometimes. # Yeah what are those you know what those things are called other than crates?
741:  Chicken crate.
interviewer:  Crate.
741:  I think they all or coops.
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  Chicken coops or chicken crates. Now chicken coop I think of as being actually where the chickens live. #1 And uh #
interviewer:  #2 Say uh # on the farm?
741:  #1 mm-hmm #
interviewer:  #2 where they'd be in #
741:  #1 chicken coop. #
interviewer:  #2 closed area #
741:  Right. And uh chicken the crates uh are what I think of 'em being shipped in.
interviewer:  Okay.
741:  But that's just not probably from ever hearing anyone saying anything about it just from seeing 'em stacked on trucks.
interviewer:  Well you know when you fry a chicken there's usually one piece that children like to get.
741:  #1 The drumstick? #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # Well
741:  Oh no the wishbone. #1 Or the pulley. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
741:  bone either one.
interviewer:  uh-huh What uh what do you are you familiar with the story uh behind that oh what's supposed to be the rationale behind pulling that thing apart?
741:  I don't think so.
interviewer:  Don't know any #1 stories #
741:  #2 Nuh-uh. #
interviewer:  associated with it? Have you ever talking about uh parts of an animal that are edible have you ever heard any comprehensive term for the inside parts of a hog that you can eat but you might not normally say like the lungs and uh the heart and all that any?
741:  Oh the uh e- uh yeah uh Is that the chitlins? uh I get mixed up on chitlins whether chitlins are the actual intestines or whether chitlins are the are the uh just the the other #1 parts. #
interviewer:  #2 What I asked # you about? Yeah I know what you mean some people do use chitlins to mean uh all any of the #1 internal organs that you can eat. #
741:  #2 Internal organs. # Yeah.
interviewer:  But I think well I always thought of chitlins as being the intestines like you said.
741:  mm-hmm well uh cracklin is used too #1 and I f- #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
741:  and I get I get those really mixed up.
interviewer:  Yeah. Well have you ever #1 heard of #
741:  #2 because # I don't use 'em when I {C: laughing} #1 cook. #
interviewer:  #2 Right. #
741:  {NW}
interviewer:  Have you ever eaten any of those chitlins?
741:  No I never #1 have uh-uh #
interviewer:  #2 Never have? #
741:  uh Well I guess we just didn't uh for some reason or another never had 'em served.
interviewer:  Well they smell pretty bad when you cook 'em.
741:  #1 Is that right? #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  Yeah no I've never eaten 'em but I've know lots of people that have
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  and eat cracklins and crackling #1 bread too. #
interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
741:  But I never have eaten any.
interviewer:  Never had any crackling bread?
741:  No I never have had any.
interviewer:  uh-huh Well have you ever heard people use the term haslet to refer to what I asked you about?
741:  No.
interviewer:  Then you haven't heard that around here. Go ahead.
741:  Now that doesn't mean it's not used I just haven't heard of it.
interviewer:  Yeah. Well what about uh this expression say if it's getting late on a farm and the farmer hears his cows uh mooing maybe they're hungry he might say well I didn't know it was so late I probably ought to if they're hungry it'd be?
741:  Feeding #1 time. #
interviewer:  #2 Feeding # time. Now we get around you mentioned yesterday you heard uh calls to animals cows and all that.
741:  #1 Right. #
interviewer:  #2 Can # you could you reproduce one of those if if uh
741:  #1 Sooey. #
interviewer:  #2 you #
741:  The sooey I I'm not #1 not very good at it. #
interviewer:  #2 Now what's that # what's that a call to?
741:  A call that's calling the hogs.
interviewer:  Calling the hogs. Is that calling say uh to come to you from somewhere?
741:  Yeah it's calling 'em to come to eat.
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  um
interviewer:  They say sooey?
741:  Uh yeah. #1 I am not sure I #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  could do it I could call like we call the razorback hogs for the at the football games I can #1 do it. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
741:  You wanna hear that? {NW}
interviewer:  The football cheer or something
741:  #1 Oh yes. #
interviewer:  #2 like that? #
741:  Do you not know that?
interviewer:  no
741:  Oh heavens we're famous for our football cheer calling the hogs yes. Oh I'll have to have some help could you is it alright if I have some help?
interviewer:  Sure.
741:  Let me get Mike and
interviewer:  {NW}
741:  let me get him to help me because it's it it #1 may need #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  it may throw your register here. {NW} Uh but it is a football cheer it's not it's not really calling the
interviewer:  I see.
741:  real animals.
interviewer:  I see you have a modified call.
741:  Oh you're not. {NW} I said yes oh yes I'm gonna
interviewer:  uh-huh
741:  we're gonna call the hogs he went he went like this he'll be down in a minute.
interviewer:  uh-huh okay
741:  {NW} uh the uh see if I can reproduce the hog uh I've heard one person do it and it was just sooey sooey uh
interviewer:  uh-huh
741:  uh
interviewer:  Well have you ever
741:  #1 sooey uh #
interviewer:  #2 heard #
741:  sooey sooey sooey something like that #1 is how they do it. #
interviewer:  #2 uh-huh # Have you ever heard a farmer call his cows? Say
741:  #1 Sook #
interviewer:  #2 get 'em to #
741:  uh sookie
interviewer:  Sook mm-hmm.
741:  #1 Sometimes #
interviewer:  #2 Do you #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # Do you happen to know if he says the same thing if he's calling calves?
741:  I have no idea.
interviewer:  Ever heard one say soo calf or something like that?
741:  Probably.
interviewer:  Gotta tag calf onto it.
741:  I really I I can't I haven't really spent that much time on a farm.
interviewer:  Yeah. Well what about uh uh say if a farmer is is plowing with animals mules or whatever
741:  the gee and the haw #1 and all that. #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # To get 'em to turn.
741:  uh-huh
interviewer:  Do you know which is which?
741:  Which is which? I don't really. uh #1 No. #
interviewer:  #2 That's okay. #
741:  Not really no. But I I know they do use it. Giddap and gee and haw and
interviewer:  mm-hmm
741:  #1 Ho. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  Ho is usually stop.
interviewer:  Yeah. Well what if you had uh uh oh some horses out in the pasture what would you do or
741:  Whistle.
interviewer:  You'd whistle to get horses to come up.
741:  {NW}
interviewer:  I see.
741:  They wouldn't come but I'd do it anyway.
interviewer:  {NW} Well what about uh farmers when they uh feed their pigs have you ever heard 'em call to 'em uh other than
741:  Sooey.
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  That sooey's all I know.
interviewer:  Or have you ever heard anybody say piggy piggy piggy piggy?
741:  Yeah I have yes I have yes I have piggy piggy yeah.
interviewer:  Well what about chickens?
741:  Here chick chick chick chick.
interviewer:  I don't suppose you ever heard anybody call a sheep around here?
741:  No.
interviewer:  No. {NW} I never have uh had any success with that item.
741:  Hello. Yes. Uh he's yeah uh he should be down in just a minute hold on. {NS} Mike. Telephone. What? Okay. {NS} It'll be just a minute. {NS}
interviewer:  So I wanted to ask you uh when you
741:  #1 she's #
interviewer:  #2 when you're #
741:  gonna love all these animal calls whoever this is
interviewer:  {NW} Well well I think we're just about through with it.
741:  Oh good.
interviewer:  Except if you wanna give me that
741:  The razorback yell I #1 will have to do that #
interviewer:  #2 when uh when # he's {X}
741:  Okay.
interviewer:  You know these things that uh uh that uh you guide the animals when you're plowing what are #1 those called #
741:  #2 Reins. #
interviewer:  #1 #
741:  #2 #
interviewer:  They're reins? same thing as #1 what you would #
741:  #2 Horse reins. #
interviewer:  mm-hmm
741:  It's what I call 'em
interviewer:  Have you ever heard them called plow lines or anything like that?
741:  Probably but I it didn't make an impression on me if I did.
interviewer:  I see. Well say uh if you have a couple of horses hitched to a wagon have you ever heard the horse on the left called anything in particular?
741:  The lead horse?
interviewer:  lead horse this expression say uh if you were trying to point out something to somebody and it's not near at hand you might say well it's just a little
741:  Are you trying to get me to say little piece away? Or oh uh I'd I wouldn't e- really use that I'd s- probably say it's over yonder.
interviewer:  it's over yonder uh-huh
741:  Or it's over there. Or it's just over there.
interviewer:  and you s- and you say over yonder strikes people from other parts of Arkansas than Clark county as unusual
741:  Right. Particularly my husband who's from Missouri he just {X} plain sped {C: laughing} away when I used that.
interviewer:  what would his equivalent to that be over yonder?
741:  Over there.
interviewer:  over there alright and the other uh expression you said that was unusual
741:  Oh I call myself #1 doing something #
interviewer:  #2 call myself #
741:  I'll say I called myself doing that yesterday.
interviewer:  yeah
741:  And that just really other people in Arkansas really think that's strange.
interviewer:  that's perfectly natural
741:  #1 You think that's just normal #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  speaking isn't it?
interviewer:  right nothing nothing's stranger than that okay and some other phrases I wanna ask you about uh say if if you've been traveling and you're not yet finished where you're going you'd say that you still had a to go before
741:  #1 a way #
interviewer:  #2 {D: dark} #
741:  to go. {NS}
interviewer:  Ah you ready for a call?
Auxiliary:  Well tell me how #1 did we come up with #
741:  #2 Razorback cheer #
Auxiliary:  this? {NS}
741:  Well he asked me if I knew how to call hogs and I said I know how to call the Razorback football players.
Auxiliary:  Well that's yeah.
741:  And I gave some sort of pitiful
Auxiliary:  pitiful {X}
741:  #1 imitation of the #
Auxiliary:  #2 I don't know it sounds # better with fifty thousand people
741:  #1 Yeah you #
Auxiliary:  #2 in the stadium. #
741:  get fifty thousand people #1 doing this it's pretty impressive. #
interviewer:  #2 Just just pretend it's a close # game with Texas
741:  Yeah oh right right
Auxiliary:  Ah that is a good pretense yes.
741:  Will this thing uh just start or flip off you'll have to cut it down probably cut #1 {D: vein back a little} #
interviewer:  #2 alright # {X}
741:  #1 It's gotta be light out. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  Yeah there's no other way to do it. #1 You have to imagine #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  football stadium packed with #1 fifty #
interviewer:  #2 alright #
741:  thousand rabid fans.
interviewer:  alright I
741:  #1 And they're #
interviewer:  #2 think #
741:  all doing this.
interviewer:  I think I'm ready.
741:  Now you ready?
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
Auxiliary:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 #
741:  Well here we are. #1 Woo #
Auxiliary:  #2 Woo #
741:  #1 pig sooey. #
Auxiliary:  #2 pig sooey. #
741:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 #
741:  #1 Woo #
Auxiliary:  #2 Woo #
741:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 #
741:  #1 pig sooey. #
Auxiliary:  #2 pig sooey. #
741:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 #
741:  #1 Woo #
Auxiliary:  #2 Woo #
741:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 #
741:  #1 pig sooey. #
Auxiliary:  #2 pig sooey. #
741:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 #
741:  #1 Razorbacks. #
Auxiliary:  #2 Razorbacks. #
741:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 # Fifty thousand people it sounds better.
interviewer:  Don't see how you people ever lose.
741:  #1 Oh we don't real often. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 {X} #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 Well last year was pretty bad. #
Auxiliary:  #2 Depends on if we have the right # players or not basically #1 {X} #
741:  #2 But that's {X} # #1 Yeah they say the team #
Auxiliary:  #2 come up #
741:  The other teams #1 you know when you come in they were very intimidating. #
interviewer:  #2 That would be intimidating opposition. # Yeah. Well that's that's about as bad as have you ever been to tiger stadium in Baton
741:  #1 Oh go tiger yeah I've #
Auxiliary:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
741:  Yeah.
Auxiliary:  All hum eighty thousand people humming .
interviewer:  Pretty rough.
741:  It is I'll tell you what they've they have made believers out of us more than once.
interviewer:  but after uh a friend of mine from back home played for Alabama for a few years and he said Baton Rouge and Tiger Stadium and those Cajuns they're just something else
741:  Oh they are.
interviewer:  You can win down there you can really do anything.
741:  You really I know it. They really get violent.
interviewer:  or he said that they uh would they would put that big cage with that big Bengal tiger you know that's their mascot they'd put it right next to the dressing room door where the uh opposing team would have to come out you know they'd see that
741:  #1 there it was #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # {X} he said that when those Cajuns got rowdy you know they'd start throwing everything in sight you know wine bottles and all that and coach Bryant and the other citizen coaches actually had to wear football helmets on the sidelines to keep from getting beaned you know
741:  That uh Alabama quarterback that was so good was uh lived in Arkadelphia for a while what's his name Mike?
Auxiliary:  Richard Todd.
741:  Richard Todd.
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
741:  #2 uh-huh #
interviewer:  I didn't know that.
741:  His mother uh was um director of nursing service at Clark county hospital.
interviewer:  When was that?
741:  uh #1 Gosh about ten years ago. #
Auxiliary:  #2 Just ten years ago. # Ten must have been ten years.
741:  He was just a pimply faced youth at that time.
interviewer:  I thought he'd always lived in uh
741:  #1 in Alabama? #
Auxiliary:  #2 Mobile #
interviewer:  {X}
Auxiliary:  Mobile isn't it?
741:  Well he lived here for a while and his mother and I worked together for a while. He certainly turned out to be a good football player. Is he did he #1 has he gone #
Auxiliary:  #2 He's playing for the Jets. #
741:  for the Jets.
interviewer:  yeah I saw him uh he was down in Tuscaloosa this uh past spring semester after the season the professional season he came down there to work out he and a neighbor down there at the same time they come down there and work out with the team so coach football let's see oh yeah I was asking you about different expressions say if something's uh very common you don't have to look for it in any special place you'd say well that's real common you can find that just about
741:  Anywhere.
interviewer:  or say if somebody uh slipped and fell out in your front yard and they fell that way you'd say they fell
741:  Backward.
interviewer:  and that way they fell
741:  Forward.
interviewer:  say if you went fishing but just didn't have any luck didn't catch a fish and somebody asks you well did you catch any fish what would you probably say
741:  {NW}
Auxiliary:  No. #1 {NW} #
741:  #2 {NW} # No I didn't. #1 No I'd say #
Auxiliary:  #2 {X} #
741:  they weren't biting or or uh there wasn't a fish in the lake or
interviewer:  mm-hmm
741:  I don't know uh I don't have any particular little sayings about those.
interviewer:  have you ever heard people around here say anything like no I didn't catch nary a one
741:  Have you heard anything like that? #1 oh you have? #
Auxiliary:  #2 mm-hmm #
741:  #1 #
Auxiliary:  #2 # I've heard that.
741:  Ne'er a one huh.
interviewer:  {X}
Auxiliary:  I've heard nary.
741:  Nary a one?
interviewer:  well what about uh
741:  I they're much more likely to say nah I didn't catch nothing.
interviewer:  Yeah {NW} why don't we get back to plow for just a minute
741:  {NW} Another one of my #1 strong subjects. #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
Auxiliary:  Strong point.
interviewer:  you know those trenches that are cut by the plow
741:  Furrow. {NS}
interviewer:  or say if if uh you have a farmer has a good yield he says that he raised a big
741:  Crop.
interviewer:  or if uh say you have some land with some bushes and trees on it and you wanna put that land to cultivation you'd say you did what to it to get it ready
741:  Bush hogged.
interviewer:  Bush hogged it. any other way of saying that?
741:  Any other way of saying bush hogged I I'm just saying bush hogged that's what we do at our or what someone does they have some big
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  tractor like thing they go around knocking pulling everything down and clearing it.
interviewer:  clearing the land
741:  Clearing the land but they the mostly call it bush hogging it. Why I don't know. But that's a big ol' tractor that does it.
interviewer:  have you ever heard uh a piece of land that's just been cleared uh any particular name for that?
741:  I I guess so. {D: But I don't}
interviewer:  ever heard it called new ground?
741:  No I never have heard it called that. Mainly cause I guess it's it's been cultivated an awful long time around here.
interviewer:  well what about if say that uh a farmer had just cut uh his hay off the field now when it comes back up again uh the second time what is that called have you ever haven't heard anything like second cutting or something like that? well what about something that comes up in a field uh although you didn't plant it ever heard that referred to by any particular name?
741:  Just wild grass or weeds or something like that
interviewer:  have you ever heard it called a volunteer?
741:  No.
interviewer:  volunteer crop say uh after wheat's been cut off a field when it's tied up
741:  Sheaves.
interviewer:  yeah have you ever heard uh say when you take those a lot of those together and uh pile 'em up like so is there any expression that covers that that you know of?
741:  I don't know if people grow wheat around here.
interviewer:  I see or maybe you've encountered grass or grain
741:  Just they bale it. #1 Sometimes. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  But that's all I know.
interviewer:  have you ever heard people talking about shocking #1 wheat or #
741:  #2 no #
interviewer:  anything like that?
741:  I've heard wheat of wheat shocks but I think it's out of books. I don't think I've heard it uh in around here.
interviewer:  {X} well what about this grain that uh horses particularly like to eat
741:  Oats.
interviewer:  yeah what do you what do you say you have to do when you uh you separate the the grain from the rest of it
741:  Husk it? I don't know. No I don't know what you do with that.
interviewer:  you ever heard people talk about thrashing oats?
741:  #1 I've #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  yeah I've heard that expression. we just buy it in a sack. but you know what I got though. {C: laughing}
interviewer:  Yeah. this these uh a couple of other expressions they're mostly grammatical #1 uh #
741:  #2 {D: that you husk oats} #
interviewer:  {NW} say if uh if we have to do something uh together you'd say that not just one of us has to do it but
741:  We all have to do it.
interviewer:  or if it's just
741:  The two of us?
interviewer:  mm-hmm you'd say that not just one of us but
741:  Two of us. Or we both did.
interviewer:  well what about if uh if we have to do something together again you might say that and have to do it
741:  You and I have to do it.
interviewer:  or if uh you and another man are coming over to see me you might #1 say #
741:  #2 He and I # are coming over to see you.
interviewer:  okay well what about if you were if you knocked on somebody's door and uh you you knew that they would recognize the sound of your voice when they ask from inside
741:  #1 I'd say it's me #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # yeah alright I would too I don't care if it's where I
741:  #1 yeah I know alright it's me #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  {NW} That's all I say on the telephone. #1 {X} it's me. #
interviewer:  #2 alright #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # well what if uh if you were inside and a man who you recognized his voice without using his name you might say oh open the door it's just
741:  Just me.
interviewer:  Or if it was a man you'd say ah just open the door it's just without using his name if you were gonna use the pronoun form you'd
741:  Oh like well no it's just him.
interviewer:  right and if it was a woman you'd say
741:  It's just her.
interviewer:  uh and if it were several people you'd say it's
741:  Just them.
interviewer:  right okay this expression say comparing how tall you are you might say well I'm not as tall as
741:  As she is.
interviewer:  or she's not as tall as
741:  I am.
interviewer:  or comparing how well you can do something you might say well he can do it better than
741:  I can.
interviewer:  say if a man had been running for two miles and just after two miles he just had to stop you'd say that uh two miles is as he could go
741:  As far as he could go.
interviewer:  a few possessives if something belongs to me I say that's
741:  Mine.
interviewer:  if it belongs to uh you I say that's
741:  Yours. Okay.
interviewer:  #1 yeah gotta kinda reorient yourself #
741:  #2 {NW} Yes. #
interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
741:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  or if it if it belongs to him that's
741:  It's his.
interviewer:  if it's belongs to her
741:  It's hers.
interviewer:  and it belongs to them
741:  Theirs. Isn't it interesting how we say it's me it's #1 them it's #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  him and yet turn right around and use it correctly in another form.
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  But it's there's nothing can break me of that. You know I'll {C: laughing} say it #1 forever. #
interviewer:  #2 as far as # usage goes
741:  #1 It's pretty common yeah. #
interviewer:  #2 now that sort of thing is yeah # sure what about uh oh if several people have been visiting you and they're all about to leave what might you say to 'em as a group if you'd like them to uh
741:  Y'all come back.
interviewer:  what about uh if you were asking a group of people if something um belongs to them together for example you might say uh
741:  {NW} #1 You know what I'd say. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  Is that y'all's? {NW} That's what I'd say too.
interviewer:  Right that's right.
741:  #1 say that's y'all's #
interviewer:  #2 well have #
741:  that's that belongs to y'all that's that's y'all's isn't it?
interviewer:  uh-huh have you ever heard that uh as y'alls's? {X}
741:  #1 No I haven't #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  heard #1 that but I've heard y'all's. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # y'all's. say uh I had been to a party and for some reason you didn't get to go and later on you were asking me about it you wanted to know uh who was there and everybody that was there you would probably ask me what
741:  Who all was there?
interviewer:  or say I had been to church on Sunday and
Auxiliary:  {D: I'm going to punch club tell 'em} I'm going to work Saturday and Sun- Saturday and Sunday
741:  Okay. {NS} Now if {C: background noise} I was at you were at #1 church or I was at church? #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # if I was at
741:  You were at #1 church and I #
interviewer:  #2 uh-huh #
741:  was not now go ahead.
interviewer:  right and you wanted to know later on what the minister said everything he said you'd ask me
741:  Tell me everything he said.
interviewer:  you said a minute if he hadn't said a second ago you would ask me uh who all was there would you ever say well what all did he say
741:  Yeah I'd say what all did he say now I very likely would probably it was the way you asked the question that I would say tell me if you wanted to know everything he said I'd say well tell me everything you said but I'd say y'all what all did he say yeah I I would.
interviewer:  {X}
741:  I surely would.
interviewer:  well this
741:  #1 Isn't that awful? #
interviewer:  #2 they say uh #
741:  #1 It's just that #
interviewer:  #2 no it's #
741:  #1 you #
interviewer:  #2 no #
741:  know better and you just do it anyway. {NS}
interviewer:  say if uh this expression if if no one else will look after them you'll say they've gotta look after
741:  Themselves.
interviewer:  or if no one else will do it for him he's gotta do it
741:  Himself.
interviewer:  tell me about some different kinds of bread that you know about
741:  Different kinds of bread. I don't say white bread if that's what you're looking for uh we just say bread it's just plain bread is white bread to us. Some people do say white bread. uh Whole wheat bread rye bread French bread um sourdough cornbread uh spoon bread.
interviewer:  Spoon bread. could you describe that?
741:  Oh I wish I could. Most delightful dish ever invented by human beings. Well it's uh it's like cornbread. Except that it's baked with uh it's much much softer and you have to it's baked in a usually in a some sort of a casserole pan. And it has to be spooned out usually may have I think it's made with the egg whites. I've only tried to bake it once and I had a total disaster. The people that are good at baking it it's most wonderful. It's very very very light very delicate cornbread is what it is.
interviewer:  that's interesting that's the this is one of the rare times that I've ever gotten any response to that item when I try to investigate it people uh never heard about it
741:  Never heard of spoon bread?
interviewer:  far as I if I try to describe it you know it's something made out of cornmeal and soft and you can you know spoon it out like uh almost mashed potatoes and they'd say oh well that's that's mush
741:  #1 Mush? #
interviewer:  #2 something like that. #
741:  #1 oh mercy #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  Mercy I don't know spoon bread it's just a real delicacy I'm just not very good at making it I wish I were. We had I had a mammy I guess you'd call it a black mammy when I was growing up. And she could make spoon bread oh and it was just you know with butter just melting on it and light as air oh
interviewer:  mm-hmm
741:  just marvelous.
interviewer:  mm-hmm
741:  And it's just lost. You know I just cannot ma- I've got the recipe for it but I just it separates the cornmeal separates. I do I don't know what I do wrong but I do something wrong and nobody else I know makes it. Although well occasionally for a luncheon or something someone will make hot spoon bread to go with a uh usually uh a light lunch for a ladies luncheon or something.
interviewer:  I see. well talking
741:  #1 well you all have #
interviewer:  #2 about #
741:  that in Alabama don't you?
interviewer:  #1 I have #
741:  #2 spoon bread #
interviewer:  never seen it made.
741:  You've never seen sp- oh. Oh dear you must have some sometime. You really #1 must it's #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # crackling bread I'm familiar #1 with I've had that #
741:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  plenty of times.
741:  Spoon bread is a just a beautiful delicacy it really is just something.
interviewer:  well I wish I could uh
741:  One of these days maybe you'll have #1 have it sometime. #
interviewer:  #2 I've never seen a recipe # for it either.
741:  Strangely enough the last time I had some good spoon bread it was made by a woman from Florida.
interviewer:  Really.
741:  Who was living here temporarily her husband was an engineer with uh but it oh it's good.
interviewer:  well talking about bread some people will say uh that just in generally there are two types of bread one's the type that uh you make at home call that homemade bread
741:  #1 oh yeah #
interviewer:  #2 and the others # the type that
741:  Store-bought.
interviewer:  store-bought. {NW} but talking
741:  #1 yeah all of #
interviewer:  #2 about #
741:  ours is uh store-bought. #1 I'm afraid #
interviewer:  #2 uh-huh #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # you mentioned cornbread have you ever heard of any type of cornbread that was made years ago in the fireplace maybe covered in ashes
741:  I've heard of it I I don't know that it's ca- it's that it's called anything.
interviewer:  well have you ever heard of uh ashcake or something like that?
741:  Yes I think I read it
interviewer:  {X}
741:  and I don't think it came from around here.
interviewer:  Literary term.
741:  mm-hmm
interviewer:  well what about uh these things that uh are round you know made with cornmeal have onions
741:  corn muffins or if or s- oh oh well you're talking about hush #1 puppies. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # eat 'em with fish
741:  Right oh they're wonderful.
interviewer:  you said you make corn muffins? too
741:  Oh I don't make 'em but my daughter loves 'em. uh You can get 'em frozen and just put 'em in the oven {C: laughing} {NW} I don't make 'em
interviewer:  courtesy of Morton's or whoever
741:  right whoe- whoever. Uh but hush puppies I have I do we're not much bread eaters we- I'm always on a diet and my daughter has to diet my husband needs to diet. The only one is the tall lanky one there that #1 doesn't need to #
interviewer:  #2 he doesn't have a # problem.
741:  #1 No problem #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  but the rest of us do and I just don't no br- no breads no desserts. It's just a standard
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  rule around here. But I can remember the things that my grandmother used to put on the #1 table. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # well what about these flat fairly thin things that you can make with corn meal that are about the size of your hand I guess you just pour 'em out mix up a batter and pour 'em out cook 'em in a skillet that way are you familiar with the term hoecake?
741:  Oh I'm f- uh I've I've heard of 'em. Uh like in folk songs or something but I #1 never have eaten one no I haven't eaten one. #
interviewer:  #2 but you have no idea what it's like #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # well what do you think what do you think of cornbread do you think of this thing about so thick maybe the same size as the skillet or a big round thing what what would if say a pone of cornbread what does that mean to you? anything
741:  I've heard the term but I don't know what it really refers to pone. {D: I've heard of card} corn pones too but I I don't really know what they mean.
interviewer:  what about corn dodger? do you know what that is?
741:  uh I've heard corn dodger used like a hush puppy.
interviewer:  Hush puppy synonymous with that?
741:  I've assumed it was because I've heard people talking about oh if you're going to a fish fry or something you know says well we're gonna have hush puppies or we're gonna have corn dodgers. So I assumed they were the same thing it may not have been but I assumed they were the same thing but I've definitely heard and the people that I've heard use corn dodgers come from southeastern Arkansas. They don't come from around Clark county. Clark county uses hush puppies.
interviewer:  you have the cheerleaders playing or
741:  Look yes it looks like we are.
interviewer:  #1 {X} #
741:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  #1 #
741:  #2 # {D: We have major ed camps} #1 band camps cheerleader ca- #
interviewer:  #2 oh yeah #
741:  #1 uh constantly over there #
interviewer:  #2 oh yeah # {X}
741:  #1 much to the joy of my teenage son. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # yeah {NW} camps out with binoculars {X} well what about these things uh a lot of people like to eat 'em for breakfast you mix up the batter with the flour and special mix and all this
741:  Pancakes.
interviewer:  yeah you ever heard those called anything
741:  Hot cake.
interviewer:  hot cakes
741:  They're pancakes from to me from this area but after having been around the rest of the country I've learned to say hot cakes as well as pancakes but they're pancakes to me.
interviewer:  ever heard 'em called flapjacks
741:  Oh yeah I've heard 'em called flapjacks. But pancakes is the I guess would be the indigenous term.
interviewer:  well what about these things uh you can make 'em at home uh they're made you mix the batter and you fry 'em in deep fat and they have a hole in the middle
741:  Donuts?
interviewer:  have you ever heard of anybody taking uh a just a lump of that donut dough and cooking it that way
741:  #1 Donut holes. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # is that what you call 'em?
741:  #1 mm-hmm #
interviewer:  #2 donut holes # That's interesting.
741:  Why? what uh uh else are they #1 called? #
interviewer:  #2 don't # really think of a hole you know
741:  #1 Well I know it but they you #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  know people would go out and buy donut holes.
interviewer:  right
741:  #1 I I never will #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  forget when uh someone said they were gonna serve that for a brunch. #1 I mean serve #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  donut holes.
interviewer:  {NW} {X} about how much uh flour do you buy at a time uh
741:  Oh I buy very little about never over five pounds. I just we just don't we're a weight watcher family. {NW} We just don't buy it
interviewer:  well what if you wanted to uh make some homemade bread what could you put in it to make it rise?
741:  Yeast.
interviewer:  ever heard any other pronunciation for that?
741:  Miss Ida uh calls it #1 east. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # what about uh the two parts of an egg you say you have uh
741:  The yolk and the white.
interviewer:  and the yolk is what color?
741:  Yellow.
interviewer:  what about some different ways of preparing eggs that you know about
741:  Oh my scrambled fried omelets uh boiled deviled just endless.
interviewer:  or you know there's this little contraption uh you can have that's has these little cups you know and you can manage to spin it on the
741:  #1 Poached. #
interviewer:  #2 water # yeah what about the uh the little piece of meat that you can boil along with your green what do you call that?
741:  Salt pork.
interviewer:  salt pork
741:  Some people call it fatback.
interviewer:  does it have much lean on it?
741:  Very little. Just a tiny bit running through it and real soft it occasionally you'll buy it now it doesn't have salt on it It's not as good it's got to be good and crusty with salt.
interviewer:  Yeah. well what about this meat that people like to eat uh for breakfast usually comes sliced and uh you fry it
741:  Sausage. #1 oh #
interviewer:  #2 that or #
741:  Bacon.
interviewer:  if you wanted to buy a lot of bacon and and but not have it sliced you'd say you bought a whole
741:  Oh uh well I was gonna say raft it's not a raft uh side of bacon. Although I don't buy it that way.
interviewer:  well what about you know after you if you were slicing that bacon up there's that real tough edge
741:  #1 Rind. #
interviewer:  #2 that # {D: have you ever heard uh a person call a side of bacon a middling?}
741:  No.
interviewer:  Never heard that?
741:  mm-mm.
interviewer:  is uh bacon the only type of meat that you know of that can be smoked
741:  Oh ham. Ham can be sm- and turkeys. Just all kinds of meat can be smoked but particularly ham and turkeys are really good. that's an Arkansas well I'm sure it is probably all over but it there's uh Ozarks smokehouses are just #1 really famous. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # well what do you call a man who deals in meat exclusively he's a
741:  Butcher.
interviewer:  or say you kept you uh your meat too long you'd say that it's done what
741:  I would say it's spoiled.
interviewer:  {X} you ever heard people say the meat's strong?
741:  #1 that it smells strong? #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  I'm I never have
interviewer:  {X}
741:  spoiled is the word I hear more than anything else.
interviewer:  {X}
741:  #1 or rancid #
interviewer:  #2 some people # yeah some people tell me that uh that meat can get strong but it's not spoiled
741:  Well it can
interviewer:  {X}
741:  #1 kind of get a little bit ripe #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # uh you say rancid rancid would if you had uh kept your butter too long and it
741:  #1 It can get rancid too. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # have you ever heard people describe butter that's like that as being they'd say it got it's a little funky?
741:  I've heard funky used #1 lots of ways #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  #1 but I have not heard it used with butter. #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # to describe rancid butter have you ever heard if uh making anything with some meat from a hog's head?
741:  I've heard of uh brains and eggs but I don't is that a hog's brain it may #1 be. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # pork brains what about souse
741:  mm-mm
interviewer:  I don't guess you've heard anything called head cheese then
741:  Do you know I just was reading a recipe for that. #1 uh #
interviewer:  #2 that right #
741:  Yes out of a Charleston cookbook. Charleston South Carolina. I just happened to we were going over this uh it's called receipts and uh
interviewer:  {X}
741:  I was looking through it I read recipe books like a novel and uh it said head cheese and I read the recipe.
interviewer:  {NW}
741:  Have never made any.
interviewer:  Yeah. but you know I was surprised I I saw that stuff the first time packaged in these little plastic deals like you buy you know pre-sliced bologna or ham or whatever by uh Hormel or you know
741:  #1 really? #
interviewer:  #2 something # souse there
741:  #1 Souse so that's what souse is huh. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  It's head cheese?
interviewer:  yeah
741:  #1 huh #
interviewer:  #2 made # from the
741:  {X}
interviewer:  meat from a
741:  #1 just sounds awful I #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  just I don't know. #1 I don't just #
interviewer:  #2 not that bad # really.
741:  #1 Well I'm sure it's not I just yeah yeah that's #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  what you have to do.
interviewer:  Yeah. well have you ever heard of uh making anything by uh cooking and grinding up hard liver? any kind of dish made with that?
741:  Pate is the only liver dish I know of that making grinding up no.
interviewer:  this one this one's a bit repulsive but have you ever heard of of making uh anybody making a a dish out of hog's blood?
741:  Oh y- uh yes I have but I thought that was a German dish
interviewer:  {X}
741:  uh what's it called. um Like blood sausage but I think they call it something else. Uh uh yeah I've heard they take intestines and fill 'em up with blood and cook 'em somebody was tel- some psychologist over at Henderson was telling me about about this I #1 never have seen anybody. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # {X} {NW}
741:  He said it was really good I #1 that's not uh #
interviewer:  #2 sure # {NW}
741:  that's not one of our usual #1 breakfast dishes. #
interviewer:  #2 no # {NW} uh well have you ever heard of uh this will probably well say taking the juice from the head cheese and mixing it up with cornmeal maybe some hog meat cooking it that way have you ever heard of anything like that?
741:  I've heard of stuff like that well that was the same psychologist at Henderson he went into just a whole culinary {NW} lecture one day about all these things you could do with strange parts of a hog but uh
interviewer:  {X} Arkansas cooking
741:  c- probably so he wanted to know how many people in the class knew about it I think one or two did but I've I was not familiar with it.
interviewer:  well have you ever heard of anything called scrapple?
741:  I think that's yeah that's what they would've called it. And he said you can buy it in the store.
interviewer:  {X}
741:  #1 in cans. #
interviewer:  #2 you know # I feel like an idiot asking that because I've really never seen it before uh
741:  Well he said you can buy it in the store he loves scrapple and he oh well he calls it something he calls it a German term
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  but uh I've forgotten what the name of it was but it somebody else in the class when he described it said that's scrapple and he said yes that is uh an Arkansas term for it but the German term for it is something else. #1 and I'm not familiar with it #
interviewer:  #2 I think as a # matter of fact Arkansas is the only place I've ever gotten any response to that question matter of fact never got anything in Alabama or Tennessee or Mississippi
741:  Well this this uh man is I assume has German origins or his wife does because he was descri- and most of the people in the class and most of the people in the class and they came from all over Arkansas had had no idea what he was talking about. #1 and #
interviewer:  #2 well #
741:  I wouldn't have if {NW} if I hadn't been in that class when he was talking about it.
interviewer:  well what about this uh thick sour milk that you can keep
741:  Sour cream?
interviewer:  or uh
741:  Oh are you talking about clabber?
interviewer:  yeah
741:  Now my grandmother talked about clabber. Uh she kept it and made it and I don't know what she did ate it maybe it's similar to yogurt I don't know. #1 She never #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  could get me to drink it. #1 I wouldn't touch it with a #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  ten foot pole.
interviewer:  {X}
741:  But she kept it my grandmother did.
interviewer:  can you make anything from that?
741:  I imagine. I I never have. I I just don't.
interviewer:  do you make cottage cheese from it?
741:  You probably could
interviewer:  well say after uh after a farmer has milked his cows what would you say should do to the milk to get the impurities out
741:  Pasteurize.
interviewer:  pasteurize it or say if you just passed it through a fine wire mesh you'd say that he was
741:  #1 Strain #
interviewer:  #2 what? #
741:  it I don't know.
interviewer:  what about something that you make for uh dessert in a deep dish say take uh slices of maybe apples or
741:  #1 Cobbler. #
interviewer:  #2 peaches? # cobbler now is it is a cobbler the same thing as a pie to you?
741:  um It not exactly. Because a pie is usually not as deep a dish as you say. And a cobbler is usually runnier I don't know why but it doesn't seem to hold together like a slice of pie you can pick it up and put it on a plate but a cobbler you quite often have to use a spoon spoon it up. It's just a a runnier thing they're good though they're good.
interviewer:  well so this expression say if somebody has a good appetite you'd say that well so and so really likes to put away his
741:  Food.
interviewer:  ever heard that uh saying any other way?
741:  #1 put away his #
interviewer:  #2 anything besides food #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
741:  Chow.
interviewer:  do you ever hear people around here say vittles?
741:  Really not.
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  That's Beverly Hillbillies is my first
interviewer:  {NW}
741:  {NW}
interviewer:  exposure to vittles.
741:  {D: Yeah it wasn't vittles right.} I I had seen victuals or #1 vittles #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  written #1 in books #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  and didn't know what it was.
interviewer:  well say if you were barbecuing some pork this uh when you cook along with it you might pour some more uh #1 {X} #
741:  #2 Barbecue # sauce.
interviewer:  {X} now what about sauce and gravy is there a difference there? between a sauce and a gravy?
741:  There is to me. I don't know I don't know exactly how to describe it. Gravy's made with the drippings of uh meat and sauces are usually made from something else.
interviewer:  in the case of barbecue sauce wouldn't you use the drippings of the meat there?
741:  #1 mm-mm #
interviewer:  #2 or # {X}
741:  No because you make it with uh tomato sauce and all #1 kinds of spices #
interviewer:  #2 I see #
741:  and and the uh the fat in it is not the fat from the meat.
interviewer:  well what about food that you uh have between meals you'd say you're having a
741:  Snack. Cheating. {NW} Sinning. {NW}
interviewer:  Yeah. well what about that word uh eat the past form you say yesterday #1 I? #
741:  #2 I ate. #
interviewer:  and you have
741:  Eaten.
interviewer:  I asked you about coffee I believe yesterday didn't I
741:  I don't remember you may have.
interviewer:  we were talking about black coffee
741:  #1 Oh yes. #
interviewer:  #2 being straight #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # barefooted and all
741:  #1 yeah #
interviewer:  #2 that # {X} say uh on a hot day if you were thirsty instead of drinking some uh carbonated drink you might just go to the sink and pour yourself a
741:  Some water.
interviewer:  and you would pour that into a
741:  Glass.
interviewer:  different types of uh glasses any particular names for them uh {X}
741:  Now my grandmother used the term water glass sometimes or uh I just say a glass. Glass is a glass is a glass to me but she would k- say a water glass go get a water glass or go get a uh tea glass or well you know whatever that sort of thing.
interviewer:  well what about uh
741:  #1 or milk glass or #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 something #
interviewer:  #2 milk # glass
741:  I don't know if milk glass and a water glass is the same thing.
interviewer:  what about a goblet?
741:  A goblet was used as a stemmed uh glass. And we wouldn't use that just to go to the faucet #1 and get a #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # better not anyway
741:  You're right I'd get killed.
interviewer:  well what about the uh the verb drink the past form of that yesterday I
741:  I drank.
interviewer:  and I
741:  #1 I have #
interviewer:  #2 have #
741:  drunk.
interviewer:  if you had some friends over for a meal and they were just standing around the table you might say well just don't stand there go ahead and
741:  Be seated.
interviewer:  and that the word sit the past form
741:  Sat.
interviewer:  and have
741:  Sat.
interviewer:  or if you were if you were uh seated at the table and someone was passing the food around and uh they passed you something that you didn't like what would you say when it was offered to you
741:  No thank you.
interviewer:  or if uh if you didn't want somebody to wait uh 'til something was passed you'd say well just go ahead and
741:  Help yourself.
interviewer:  and that word help the past form is
741:  Helped.
interviewer:  and I have
741:  Helped.
interviewer:  or say food that's been uh uh heated and and served a second time you'd say that you're having
741:  uh Well leftovers.
interviewer:  and you say that the food has been drawing a blank?
741:  #1 Well I #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 I #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 {X} #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  #1 I can't think of #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  anything you might be looking for.
interviewer:  do you ever say anything like warmed over or something like that
741:  mm-mm
interviewer:  don't say that okay
741:  Oh heavens I'm always so thankful that there's anything left over {D: dude you just} #1 can't imagine #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  in this house there's never anything {C: laughing} left over.
interviewer:  uh-huh
741:  I we we don't even consider that leftovers cause it's usually better the next day anyway.
interviewer:  mm-hmm
741:  Some people do I guess they warm it over I've seen it written anyway.
interviewer:  well when you begin to eat something you say you put it in your mouth and you begin to
741:  Chew.
interviewer:  and let's see I mentioned a second ago say something prepared by taking cornmeal and boiling it in water putting in a little salt eating it that way
741:  Yeah you're I think you're talking about mush.
interviewer:  yeah is that what you would call it?
741:  I wouldn't call it #1 I wouldn't #
interviewer:  #2 wouldn't #
741:  #1 eat it either. #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} Okay. # well what about things like uh oh carrots peas beets and so forth they're all different kinds of
741:  Vegetables.
interviewer:  or say this food that we eat here in the south particularly made up of uh ground corn you know eat it for a lot of people eat it for breakfast uh
741:  Grits.
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  I thought that was hominy.
interviewer:  well #1 I think the hominy's the #
741:  #2 Made from hominy. #
interviewer:  #1 the whole yeah #
741:  #2 bigger bigger. # #1 thing yeah #
interviewer:  #2 mm-hmm #
741:  Has a little bit different flavor than corn it's
interviewer:  right right what's out of that another starchy food say uh it's well it's grown here in Arkansas
741:  Rice.
interviewer:  right yeah I always tell my Arkansas people that I saw my first rice growing here in the state I think I said I was riding along the road and I saw this flooded field what in the world is that you know got all that water on the field never seen any growing before
741:  Do you know uh there so amusing to me we we were in uh Connecticut for uh an interview right before we were sent Mike off to school.
interviewer:  {X}
741:  We'd gone to a counseling service in Wallingford Connecticut and the man who was interviewing us you know asked something about you know well why were we interested in sending him to a prep school and this sort of thing and and I mentioned the fact that no matter how good your grades were from Arkadelphia High School that the better colleges wouldn't look at you. You could be valedictorian or you know have stra- never made anything but an A and and they wouldn't look at you I said and for example Rice University and he said Where? {NW} and I said Rice Univ- I said surely you've heard of Rice and he said oh yes but I couldn't understand what you were saying.
interviewer:  Rice.
741:  #1 Rice hears Rice hears Rice University he did not #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  know what I was talking about.
interviewer:  rice
741:  Rice.
interviewer:  {X} that's a good school
741:  Yeah it is.
interviewer:  in Houston or down
741:  Houston.
interviewer:  Houston what about uh uh alcoholic beverages you always hear about they're made up in the hills or in the mountains in Arkansas uh
741:  {X} #1 Moonshine. #
interviewer:  #2 type you don't # pay tax on right have you ever heard
741:  Bootleg.
interviewer:  bootleg
741:  mm-hmm
interviewer:  anything besides uh moonshine or
741:  Rotgut. #1 uh #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
741:  Let's see what all uh moonshine rotgut bootleg. Seems like two three other terms too that don't come to mind right now.
interviewer:  do they call it white lightning around here
741:  Not really.
interviewer:  really?
741:  In spite of the well I've I've heard of heard that but I I really rotgut and moonshine is mostly what what you hear.
interviewer:  you ever tasted any of the
741:  #1 no #
interviewer:  #2 stuff # say if something's cooking and it makes a good impression on your nose you might say mm just
741:  Just smells great.
interviewer:  what well talking about pancakes a minute ago this uh stuff that people pour on their pancakes
741:  #1 syrup #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # is there anything like that uh except maybe a little
741:  #1 You're talking about molasses. #
interviewer:  #2 thicker yeah # is there a difference to you? or are they
741:  #1 Oh #
interviewer:  #2 the same? #
741:  heavens yes I ca- I don't like molasses. Molasses is too {X} well I guess maybe it's just the molasses that I have had.
interviewer:  mm
741:  But it's usually uh to me or has a kind of a bitter taste to it I don't know what it is #1 it's just #
interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
741:  not the I don't kn- it's uh has a funny taste to me. Maybe it's the black sap molasses or something I have tasted but I have not cared for it now that syrup is much lighter.
interviewer:  {X}
741:  And has a more delicate flavor #1 to me. #
interviewer:  #2 what is # what kind of uh syrup uh do you usually use?
741:  When we use it which we don't usually it's it's maple. Log cabin.
interviewer:  you ever used any cane? syrup
741:  only in cooking like uh Karo.
interviewer:  have you ever heard of uh something molasses around here made from sour
741:  Uh yes that and they put that in uh feed by the #1 way. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah # it's always easy to tell when you're what do what do they call those places you know out in the field the big pits or something like that that they use uh in some kind of sourdough preparation but you can really smell the stuff a long way off what about uh this expression say if I have a belt that's made out of cow hide and it's it's a hundred percent cow hide I might say well now this isn't imitation cow hide it's
741:  Genuine.
interviewer:  say if uh in the days before sugar was sold pre-packaged like it is now it might have been sold right out of the barrel you would say that the sugar's being sold how ever heard any expression for that?
741:  Uh I I don't think so. You you can ask if you've got the term you may see if I've heard of it I can't think of anything off the bat.
interviewer:  ever heard uh people say well such and such being sold in bulk or bulk sugar or
741:  #1 bulk sugar #
interviewer:  #2 being sold #
741:  Not r- when I think of things being sold in bulk I think of it being like by the car load #1 or something. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  #1 You know I. #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # uh have you ever heard the the term loose used sugar's being sold loose what else about something else that uh you might eat along say with hot biscuits you would
741:  Honey.
interviewer:  yeah that or something
741:  #1 Gravy. #
interviewer:  #2 like #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # that or made from different fruits you
741:  Jelly.
interviewer:  yeah and
741:  #1 Preserves. #
interviewer:  #2 {D: do you} #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # what about the condiments that just about everybody has on the table
741:  #1 salt and pepper #
interviewer:  #2 you have #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # or this expression say if uh I had a bowl of apples and peaches and offered it to you you might say well I don't think I care for a peach but an apple
741:  I'll have an apple.
interviewer:  or give might say me an apple
741:  Give me an apple.
interviewer:  say if you were pointing out some boys who had pulled some prank or something you might say well it wasn't these boys it was
741:  Those boys.
interviewer:  or if you know or what about if uh
741:  #1 Or it was #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  them.
interviewer:  yeah
741:  I think that's what you're #1 looking #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  #1 for I'd say it was them #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} # or if you were trying to tell somebody how to do something you might say well don't do it that way do it don't do it that way
741:  #1 Do it #
interviewer:  #2 do it #
741:  this way.
interviewer:  or uh what would you say the opposite of rich is?
741:  Poor.
interviewer:  or uh say this expression I might say well when I was a boy my father was poor but next door was a boy
741:  Poorer. #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  #1 Or rich or whatever. #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 That's right. #
741:  What's {X} what's which end of the scale are you uh looking for? #1 {D: I will take} #
interviewer:  #2 well either # one will do what about uh say if you have uh a lot of peach trees growing together you would call that
741:  An orchard.
interviewer:  you remember the uh the type of tree that Washington was supposed to have
741:  #1 The cherry #
interviewer:  #2 cut? #
741:  tree.
interviewer:  what do you call the the hard inside part of a cherry
741:  The pit.
interviewer:  what about this uh uh uh hard inside part of a peach what do you call that
741:  Peach pit.
interviewer:  peach pit okay well you know there are some peaches uh the the meat of the peach is tight against the pit and you really have to get in there and cut it out have you ever heard of that type of peach called anything particular?
741:  mm-mm
interviewer:  never heard people talk about a cling peach
741:  I thought that was something that came in cans.
interviewer:  #1 Yeah. {NW} #
741:  #2 {NW} #
interviewer:  well what about the the other type that uh the uh the pit uh you know falls out pretty easily comes out easy
741:  I didn't know there was that difference.
interviewer:  you ever heard of a freestone?
741:  I I know that there are brands cling and freestone and and different things like that but I had no idea that
interviewer:  I didn't either.
741:  #1 cling peaches cling peaches #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  are usually what I buy when I buy 'em canned if I don't buy 'em fresh.
interviewer:  {X}
741:  I don't know what they grow out here at A- at uh Amity.
interviewer:  at where?
741:  Amity.
interviewer:  what is that
741:  It's a little town. A-M-I-T-Y. Amity.
interviewer:  grow a lot of fruit out there?
741:  They have peach orchards.
interviewer:  oh I see well what about the part of an apple that's left after you've eaten uh from
741:  #1 The core. #
interviewer:  #2 around #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # have you ever heard of people around here uh cutting up uh peaches or apples and letting 'em dry and uh using 'em that way
741:  Oh I know people use dried apples.
interviewer:  what do you use 'em for
741:  Well you can use 'em for baking or just eating.
interviewer:  you ever heard 'em called anything other than just uh
741:  Dried apples?
interviewer:  dried apple what about uh what are the types of nuts that grow around here
741:  Pecans and and uh what else does we have pecan trees in our yard so uh well I'm drawing a blank on that I'm sure we have lots of nuts that grow around here.
interviewer:  you have uh well what about these nuts you know that grow in the ground
741:  Oh the peanuts?
interviewer:  yeah you ever heard that called anything else?
741:  Goobers.
interviewer:  goobers yeah that's a big crop where I'm from well what about walnuts you have those grow around here
741:  We must have I know we have walnut trees but I've I really can't ever remember seeing any on the market or knowing anybody that uh. They parch chestnuts and parch pecans but
interviewer:  mm-hmm
741:  not well not don't know about any walnuts.
interviewer:  well you know uh this part of the walnut that will stain your fingers you know when you pick 'em
741:  I never have #1 picked any #
interviewer:  #2 you have the # softer part of it you know what that
741:  mm-mm
interviewer:  you ever heard people talk about the hull of the of a nut the hull
741:  the hull yeah
interviewer:  is there anything different from that maybe harder the part that you crack
741:  The shell.
interviewer:  {X} this probably may not grow around here but they're usually available in stores around Christmas time uh kind of a a long flat backed uh
741:  Little almond.
interviewer:  almond what about this fruit that grows in Florida and in California kinda rivals over uh
741:  Grapefruit?
interviewer:  that or a small one you know uh
741:  Tangerine? Or oranges. #1 Or #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # well what about say if I had a uh a bowl of oranges I might say well that bowl was full this morning but now it's but now they're
741:  Empty they're gone.
interviewer:  uh-huh yeah what about this uh red uh red colored root vegetable
741:  #1 Beets. #
interviewer:  #2 it's uh #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # beets or this these are kinda real hot some people put 'em in green salad you know
741:  Oh radishes.
interviewer:  or what about another uh vegetable uh red uh you know these would go in green salad too
741:  #1 Red onions. #
interviewer:  #2 sliced up #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 # onions or uh just a plain ol' uh {NW} they grow on these plants you know lot of people have in their gardens
741:  I don't know are you talking about rutabagas? #1 I don't know what you're talking about #
interviewer:  #2 no nothing exotic #
741:  #1 nothing exotic #
interviewer:  #2 just a # regular ol'
741:  a regular red vegetable you would put in a s- oh tomatoes.
interviewer:  {NW}
741:  Oh for heaven's sake.
interviewer:  oh but do you have the small ones around here
741:  #1 The little cherry tomatoes? #
interviewer:  #2 about # cherry tomatoes you mentioned onions what about these small ones with the long stalk are those called any
741:  #1 We #
interviewer:  #2 thing #
741:  call 'em green onions here they call 'em leeks in of course the leeks that I've seen in the fancy food stores in Little Rock are bigger than our green onions. But I've using recipes I think they're interchangeable.
interviewer:  what about uh different types of potatoes or
741:  #1 Sweet potatoes and #
interviewer:  #2 grow around #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
741:  Irish potatoes.
interviewer:  have you ever heard sweet potatoes called anything else?
741:  Uh yams.
interviewer:  Yams.
741:  I the only in terms of candied #1 it's candied ya- #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  sweet potatoes and it's candied yams.
interviewer:  I see
741:  But it's uh sweet potato is what they mostly call it around here
interviewer:  well what about this uh another type of vegetable that's oh they usually kind of long and slender green you can either cut 'em up fry 'em or uh you know stick 'em
741:  #1 Okra? #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # yeah or say if uh if you leave uh an apple out in the in the sun it's liable to dry up and
741:  Shrivel up and.
interviewer:  what about vegetables that come in heads?
741:  Lettuce cabbage.
interviewer:  or uh what about some different types of beans that'll grow around here
741:  Green beans peas no let's see oh just beans huh. Green beans and lima beans and butter beans.
interviewer:  #1 is that a type that you have to #
741:  #2 {X} #
interviewer:  uh they come in the pods
741:  #1 That you have to #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  string 'em?
interviewer:  or uh
741:  #1 after you #
interviewer:  #2 Snap 'em. #
741:  #1 #
interviewer:  #2 #
741:  or and you just say if you've got a bunch of 'em you have to sit there and Snap 'em.
interviewer:  snap 'em or if you have to
741:  String 'em I call it string 'em.
interviewer:  call it string 'em? does that mean uh shell same
741:  Oh you're talking about shelling #1 peas. #
interviewer:  #2 yeah #
741:  {D: No it well you don't} #1 don't shell beans you shell #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # what about
741:  #1 well now butter beans yeah you'd shell butter beans #
interviewer:  #2 {X} # yeah
741:  But uh and you shell peas. #1 But you #
interviewer:  #2 uh-huh #
741:  string beans #1 or snap beans. #
interviewer:  #2 or snap beans # always liked to snap 'em that was
741:  #1 Yeah you have to string 'em first and then snap 'em. #
interviewer:  #2 {X} #
741:  Some people calls it call 'em snap beans.
interviewer:  uh-huh well what about if you uh cut the tops off a lot of turnips and cooked 'em that way you'd say you were cooking a mess of
741:  Greens.
interviewer:  ever heard that called anything else?
741:  I m- #1 maybe I #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  don't know what.
interviewer:  have you ever heard people talk about turnip sallet?
741:  Heard 'em say poke sallet.
interviewer:  poke sallet
741:  But that's wild. Poke is a
interviewer:  Yeah.
741:  definite uh varmint. #1 {NW} #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  I don't know that I've had {X} and I think you spell it sallet S-A-L-A-T.
interviewer:  yeah right or maybe S-A L-L-I-T.
741:  S-A-L-L #1 I-T I don't #
interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
741:  know what it is but anyway that's uh
interviewer:  {X}
741:  uh no I d- I never have uh
interviewer:  well if you were going to send me to the store to buy some lettuce you'd probably tell me to go get
741:  Go get three heads of lettuce.
interviewer:  have you ever heard of a person refer uh to his children say he had so many head of children
741:  No but I've heard 'em {C: laughing} say head of cattle.
interviewer:  head of cattle well what about this say uh if a man had seven boys and seven girls referring to the number there you'd say he just had a whole
741:  Mess of kids.
interviewer:  mess of kids you heard that
741:  mm-hmm
interviewer:  is there any other way of uh
741:  #1 or a bunch of kids #
interviewer:  #2 say that bunch of kids # do people around here say anything like well so and so's just got a whole passel of kids
741:  A passel. Most of the time they may say a mess or a mess of kids. I I don't know why I think of that but they they really have a bunch.
interviewer:  what's a what about uh you know the outside covered