Interviewer: Mis- mister {B} The trenches cut by the plow are the 748: How you say it? Interviewer: The trenches cut by the plow 748: Plow? A shovel Interviewer: Are the what? 748: You mean a plow? Interviewer: Yeah you'd call them the what 748: Shovel, just a straight shovel Interviewer: Well you got your row, right? 748: Yeah that's right, then shovel you open the ground up And you make, you o- o- open your ground up and everything with the shovel Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 It's a it's a # Shovel made sort of like that Interviewer: Shovel makes a what? 748: It makes a furrow Interviewer: {NS} Yeah {NS} You mind if I turn the light on? 748: Yeah you can just turn that Interviewer: Um Well Uh When you, when you got your land opened up, did you use anything to break the ground up real fine? 748: Well I'll tell ya what When we, when we, You mean we cleared ground? In the woods clear, go, go and clear up a new ground? Interviewer: You did that? Yeah 748: {NW} That's all we got, that's all the way it just now on this Tell me growing up we had to clear it up, when we just cut down, cut that stuff down and burn it up Then see we had um We had a cutting coat That we put on that On our plow That's a hand axe, a hand axe shovel, you know Down to cut the roots Go on now, uh like now, out there now, clean up ground Uh Biggest thing I usually do, I have done Say we got cotton stalks in there, just go and knock the cotton stalks down low Then go and plow, we had corn stalks, and things go down and cut them down and pick 'em up and pile 'em up and move 'em out of the way Interviewer: When you go into the field late in spring, do you have a lot of leftover Did you ever raise hay? 748: No sir I ain't raised no hay Never raised no hay Interviewer: You'd know about how to raise it though, wouldn't you? 748: Oh yes sir, hay sir, yes {X} Uh out some good ground, just get out there and sow your hay and And uh Let that hay cue up, you know When it come time to cut it, you know, you can watch it Come time to cut it you can go down and just cut it Interviewer: Which How many times would you cut your hay? 748: Well, I'll tell ya that depends On the weather {X} He had a fay- f- a hay field And {NS} In August Get good seeding {X} Thing, it'll come out and grow again Maybe cut it again in September Interviewer: You ever get a 748: Second cutting of it And rake it up Bale it up, whatever you want to do with it Interviewer: Would you ever have something that might come up like {NS} Like a vegetable or something like that it might just come up You didn't plant it, it came up, uh 748: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 Say # 748: I'll tell you about that, the biggest thing I know about something and a plant meaning trouble Stuff that we called a sassafras {NS} That stuff come up and poke the {NS} {NS} {NS} {NS} Interviewer: You'd say it came up 748: Just come up out of the woods, uh I guess some grows out there Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 Sassafras # Interviewer: Now 748: That's about the only wild vegetal- vegetable I reckon I know that we ever Could get without planting But you wanna Without planting something The only kind of wild vegetable I could think of right now, is {NS} Interviewer: Yeah Well, something like You might, you might not plant tomatoes one year, they'd just come up 748: Well, I tell ya about tomatoes Oh uh Sometime they will, you know, if you you leave a lot of them Done got ripe and didn't use 'em and they've They didn't perish Sometimes, they Some of the seeds will come up the next spring. Interviewer: Yeah. You'd say they come up what 748: They're, they come up and you take them Interviewer: Volun- 748: Uh, take, just come up, let 'em {NW} Grass and mater Bean pole on the ground is All but if anything's lucky, they'll come up thick But when they come up all you gotta do 'em is Go out and thin 'em out Another way to pull up your {X} And set 'em out, here and there now {C: Noise in previous line} And mow Like sweet potatoes We always begged at sweet potatoes Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Taking a, take some seed potatoes and take some potatoes and uh And make a {NS} You got a little Trench Where it lies good Cover it up and and lay your potatoes in it, just lay 'em in there you know Then cover 'em up Well uh, when them taters Cover, we covered them sprouts where they come up And we wanna set 'em out We just go down and pull out some of that {NW} Pull out the little bits, the biggest ones pull and just keep on {X} Just pull 'em out, when you want to, you got All you want to sit out and start out Set 'em out in rows, about like that, you know? Work 'em good {NW} And then um when it comes to take a gathering time Why I've seen {X} Go down cut them vines Cause vines grow and cut them vines, you know, of course you couldn't plow in there And drag 'em all out of the way I have cut 'em and then take a horses now And and and And just as, plain shoveling, and go down the row and that, and they just Break up lovely and {NW} Drag 'em on out, out the way and then you plow your taters up Take that tongue plow then {X} Wherever they going And go there and plow them taters up You'll just p- On out the ground and you pick 'em up {NS} Interviewer: Would you ever have a crop come up Volun- uh Volunteer? 748: Well uh I've had some things grow up volunteer, now I've had I've have had um Few Irish potatoes come up volunteer You know, maybe, say you raise some Irish potatoes You go to get 'em Maybe leave few potatoes, good ol' taters in the ground, now, don't get 'em all out And uh Next Next spring I've seen some little potatoes come up there volunteer, something like that Interviewer: Um {NS} Well {NS} You know, what would you put a, in a hen's nest When you wanted her to, to lay? 748: {NW} Then make you a box of anything you want to trouble with and put you some straw in there Way we done it All I know Interviewer: Did you ever put something in there? Kind of a porcelain? 748: {D: Delpware} All we done, I tell ya all we done there is all I knowed about Interviewer: Wh- what did you say? 748: #1 All that I # Interviewer: #2 D- # 748: Knowed about just Interviewer: {D: Delpware}? 748: Make you some hen nests You can make 'em upside the wall, anything you want, take you some planks And put you some hen nests and then put some Cut a hole {NW} Cut you some {X} Then get some straw And put in there And the ol' hen will get in there and lay eggs Interviewer: Yeah? Did, did you say {D: delpware}? 748: What's that? Interviewer: {D: Delpware} You know what {D: delpware} is? 748: #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 {D: Delpware} # 748: You mean uh, mean uh, any kind of straw I'm talking about For them, for them hens? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Well just make you a, a little ol' {NS} Hen nests Make you some hen nests, as you see And you can nail up, make up anywhere you want, if you wanna nail 'em upside the wall Make as many nests, this one go, hen go down and jump up in that nest and lay an egg now Interviewer: Would you ever put something in there? In the in the nest Like if you, you wanted 'em to lay, you'd put a round 748: No, no, they, I never did use {NS} Never did do that I've known folks that do this now, they would have an old rotten egg or something like that That uh Keep it in there no chance busted or something like that to put 'un- that's what we call a nest egg I've seen that done Interviewer: Yeah Now If you had a nice tea set you'd say it was your best What do you eat off of? 748: You mean In the kitchen? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Well I just got a, got a uh Table in there, all I know Dining table or What do you call it, a what Interviewer: And you eat off of what? 748: Eat off of that table Put your soup, food up there Get you a chair or something up there and eat off of that table Interviewer: What do you eat with? You eat on 748: Well, sometimes When you Put a tablecloth, I've I've put the tablecloth on the table, I have done that Interviewer: Do you eat on the tablecloth 748: No we don't eat on the tablecloth, just put my, I put my food in a in a uh In a in a plate or something, and eat out of the plate Interviewer: Yeah? You call that plate your You say your best We're not gonna use our Our Regular, ordinary dishes today, we use my best 748: Yeah well I sometimes, we do have, you know, sometimes I have some dishes we say Might say saving for Sunday {NW} Interviewer: Up on the wall there is a what, that plate is made out of 748: Uh China? Interviewer: Yeah 748: That's what I call it, I dunno Interviewer: China Um Would you ever see an egg made out of that? 748: I've seen the eggs, I've got a little uh old uh I've got think I've an old egg in yon now there I don't know how come the chi- the children got it out regularly For uh Guessing you, I think think there's an egg in the kitchen now Interviewer: What is it? 748: Well all I know is just a kind of egg, of egg {X} Interviewer: What's it made out of? 748: Well I don't know, I don't know what they call it and any ain't even bothered to see {NW} But I think it's made out of something like uh Interviewer: China? 748: That's right Interviewer: So you say it's #1 A what # 748: #2 So it's # Same kind, it's just {X} Interviewer: Yeah? So it's a what, uh #1 You call it a # 748: #2 Well # Interviewer: Chi- uh What would you call it? 748: What? Interviewer: The egg 748: Well I just call it a egg, it's all I know to Interviewer: China egg? 748: China, wanna call it a China egg, or whatever you wanna call it {X} Interviewer: Um What do you use to carry water in? 748: Well I'll tell ya what we used to carry water, we used to carry water in water kegs Little old kegs and they'd Just about like that you see Round keg And um You pour your little, have a place to pour the water in, pour out Like I'll carry water and a handle to it I've carried water kegs and I've carried water in jugs Ole China jugs Interviewer: #1 Yeah? # 748: #2 You see # Interviewer: What would they have in the top of them? 748: Well, what's just a just uh um On a little stopper Interviewer: What was it made out of? 748: You see what they'd call that, cork stop, that'd be the only word I know {NS} Kept water in jugs and I've kept it in kegs Interviewer: Yeah In a keg would it have a kind of a thing on it that you could turn the water on with? 748: No All they have, ol' kegs um, you'd have to pull that cork out then And, and uh pull that on out That is, I'm talking about way back yonder Interviewer: Yeah 748: Going on up, later They made kegs thataway that they did have a little something to turn Interviewer: What did you call that? That had a what on it? 748: Corkscrew #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 The water # Came out through the what? 748: {X} Cork Through that cork, you just stepped on there and catch the water Interviewer: Did you ever see one that you could screw? 748: Yeah I've seen that too Interviewer: What are they called? uh 748: Well that's the same thing but to just a different {X} See I've seen 'em just turn 'em off thataway and I've seen some Just open screw up then screw 'em down Interviewer: It's got a what to come out of, it's got a 748: What's that? Interviewer: It's got a uh something you can turn and the water will come out #1 Through the # 748: #2 Oh sure # Here'll be a little ol' spout, you know Have spout for it to come out, that's right #1 There's a spout # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 748: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 748: #1 For it to # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 748: Come out it won't be that way so you just spout you {NW} Spout to come out {X} Jug, anything you want Interviewer: Uh When you milked, what would you catch the milk in? 748: Well I just took a, a bucket I'd throw a tin bucket {NS} Tin bucket, you catch that and hold it down there and {NW} Get the milk Interviewer: What was it made out of? 748: Well it made out of tin All I know, all it {X} #1 Has it # Interviewer: #2 Is it # Narrow at the bottom and got 748: No, uh I've seen {NW} we used to buy lard buckets Buy buckets of lard Buck- I mean buckets of lard And use that lard out of there, you know, and take that bucket Just milked in that Interviewer: #1 Did you ever see # 748: #2 Course of course # Course I I've seen some of them them just buckets {D: called made just for that purpose} but I'm talking about What I come or what I've used Just a bucket Use a small bucket to milk the milk in then a bigger bucket when you get that full, pour it all in there {NW} Get the ol' cow milk Interviewer: Would one of 'em be made out of wood? 748: Of these buckets, now, no, not buckets, no, you know, not to milk a cow Interviewer: #1 Okay # 748: #2 Mm-mm # Mm-mm Interviewer: Um What sort of container Of bucket might you keep in the kitchen to keep scraps in, for the pigs? 748: Well I'd just call that a uh scrap can's all I'd call that Interviewer: Scrap can? 748: Mm Interviewer: {NW} Okay Have you uh Now something that, that's big and black And you might have out in the backyard To wash your clothes in, that's a what? 748: Big and black? Interviewer: Yeah it's a black 748: We got the washpot I guess all that I know Interviewer: Yeah? What do you boil water in? #1 Here # 748: #2 And # Boil water in that black, in that, is iron pot, boil the water in there Interviewer: Yeah? Have you got something that if you wanted to make some coffee or tea or something, you'd boil water in a what? 748: Well, I wanna make some water to keep it's the same away now If I ain't got none coffee pot I'll just have to boil it in a bucket 'til I can get the tea kettle Interviewer: Tea what? 748: Boil, boil it in a tea kettle Interviewer: Kettle? Um 748: Or a coffee pot, just some {D: tiny thing} little tin pot made you can boil coffee in, put some coffee in that water Interviewer: Yeah? Yeah? {NS} {NS} Now if you wanted some flowers you could use this as a what? {NS} 748: Well if I wanted some flowers and um to keep flowers in the house Interviewer: Yeah you'd use this as a 748: Well I'd use it as a vase Interviewer: Yeah {NS} You'd just go out and 748: I'd cut my flowers, put some water in there and stick 'em down in there Let it take that stuff out though Interviewer: Yeah {NS} Uh {NS} Now, when you're setting a table, what would you eat with? 748: Well {NW} Knife, fork, and spoon Interviewer: Yeah 748: And sometime I'd eat with my hands {NW} Interviewer: Do you have any different kind of Uh, cutting instruments? 748: Uh what? Interviewer: Cutting instruments 748: Cutting, yes sir #1 Butcher # Interviewer: #2 What do # 748: Knife Butcher knife, drawing knife Things like that Interviewer: What is a drawing knife? 748: Well a drawing knife is a Thing made out of iron now And there's It's got a crook on it, some handles on it, I got one out there right now But you wanna, and you could just take that thing you know, you wanna smooth something down, draw something down just Pull it down thataway Interviewer: #1 Uh # 748: #2 But it's # Made out of iron though, metal Interviewer: Yeah? 748: But they got, used to have wood handles, got little wood handles on it, I got one out there right now See, I can sharpen 'em , say I'm a plant it down or smooth something down Well I can just uh, take that drawing knife, you know, just These'll just cut you know, cause that blade it's fixed so One side where it cut to, cut one way Interviewer: Now, those kind of Ones that you had that would have a just a little blade on 'em, they're called 748: Well uh Interviewer: Might carry 'em around with you 748: Well uh Let me see {NW} A drawing knife and a Butcher knife and a Interviewer: You ever keep one in your pocket or 748: {NW} What's it called um Uh Wood knife, or something like that that you do #1 Cut # Interviewer: #2 Just a little # Pocket 748: The pocket you can When you wanna cut something you cut something, you wanna do a hole you do that Interviewer: Yeah But you have all sorts of Of what? 748: Well I got that one, them kind of knives, now I had one that had several different kind of blades on it Interviewer: Yeah 748: You could uh take that knife, pull it out, {D: use} a screw down on a cork and pull it out Then you could um pull that blade out, whittle with it Nothing on that, you know Sharp end, turn it around, you could bore with it Interviewer: How do you keep 'em sharp? 748: Well Well file, with a file, or else take a a a rock Uh uh what do you call it a grinding rock, it's a grinding rock, I got piece piece in there somewhere If file just get, get dull Sharpen Start a file {NW} Sharpen with a #1 File # Interviewer: #2 Do # A grinding rock? 748: You can, I mean a grinding rock, now, or well you can just, take a grinding rock, do that real sharp Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 {X} # Thataway Interviewer: Did you ever see one that would go around? 748: Well that's a big grind rock, you know? Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 And then # Hone your Interviewer: You ever see those whet- uh 748: You know uh Interviewer: Whetrock? 748: Yeah, and uh you take a I've seen big grind rocks, you know, big, you know a {X} Now I wanna hone my axe I could hold my axe up there and just Round and round, see, hold it on and that'll hone Interviewer: {D: Did you ever see a, now folks who sharve with a sha- sh- who shave with a straight razor} 748: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 They'd use # A leather 748: I use a straight razor And uh, sometimes just use a leather strap See? {NS} Interviewer: Yeah? Um Well, now, you get your water now, you turn the water on it comes out of a what? 748: I I got a See, I got running water, I just turn the faucet And here the water come Interviewer: Yeah? Out in the yard, if you turn the water on it comes out of a 748: Well out in the yard I got a faucet out there, I have {NW} It's running water where I got {NW} Got a faucet down there and one up there Interviewer: Yeah 748: Just scoot your hose on down if I want to Kettle, want to warm a kettle water And I wanna just catch the water I open it up and set me down, down there to catch the water, now me get on up Cut it off Interviewer: Have you got a spigot of any kind? 748: A what? Interviewer: A spigot? Spicket? 748: #1 Mm # Interviewer: #2 You know what a # Spigot is? 748: Mm I don't know about what, I don't know I understand what that is Interviewer: Okay Never heard of a spigot {NS} When you {NS} When you wash your dishes Would you use a kind of a cloth or a rag to wash 'em with? 748: You wash your dishes, you see, wash 'em with a rag, way I do now Wash my dishes Interviewer: With a what? 748: With a dish rag Interviewer: #1 Okay # 748: #2 Soap # Water, dish rag Interviewer: Then you dry 'em with a 748: Well I dry 'em with a drying cloth Then sometimes I wanna, I just take a, taken a, put 'em in some And pour hot water on 'em, see? Pour hot water on 'em And they dry theyself Interviewer: Yeah? 748: What you call scalding your dishes Interviewer: When you're When you're in the bathroom and you wanna clean your face do you use a Uh Kind of a What, what would you use, just a little small 748: Well, sponge? Interviewer: Or you might use a kind of a cloth or a #1 Rag # 748: #2 I got a, I got a little # I call them the regular old uh Uh Interviewer: Wash 748: Washrags Interviewer: And when you're taking a a bath or something you use #1 A # 748: #2 {X} # Towel Your towel because I've take a towel and I wanna take a bath, you know, I can I can uh Wash all around and then go and wash my back {X} my back I just catch over one end of that towel thataway and saw it I tell you why we care so much {NS} Now my wife Now of course married, and We didn't have no stream, running water, and all that we had to use it is with a tub, a pan {NS} So, she had a black spot, right in the middle of her back I happen to see it, and I told her I had a do to keep that outta there Told her when she take a bath, have a long towel with she Told her that, then never did see that no more Course you couldn't reach it, you know Some, some places you know you just couldn't that's what I'm talking about Little, little spaces you just couldn't reach for that A rag get up in the back, now over there Little squat baby couldn't reach thataway But you take that towel and do thataway you can do it Interviewer: Um Now What did uh What did molasses come in when you used to buy it? 748: Well {NW} It'd come in kegs, big old kegs Interviewer: Or lard, what would that come in? 748: Well, it come in tin cans Interviewer: Call that a stand? 748: Yeah, I've seen can, I've seen lard cans hold fire grout and I've seen 'em hold Interviewer: #1 Lard # 748: #2 Can # Interviewer: Lard stand? 748: Yeah, and then uh I've seen lard come i-, lard in just in tin buckets Interviewer: If you had a barrel with a real narrow top You'd make you something, you'd call that a what? 748: A plumb? Interviewer: Yeah you'd make you a plumb? 748: Yeah, plumb Interviewer: To go down in there? 748: Yeah Interviewer: Uh Now, what did you drive your horses with when you were 748: Well, you ride a horse, you had a Put they in Well, just had a whip All I can tell ya #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 748: Have a whip so you could have Have lines on 'em then and you just hit 'em, tap on the whip, with the whip Interviewer: Yeah When, when you buy food at the store nowadays the grocer might put it in a What? 748: Well I'll tell you about that Like um, if I buy meats and it's the same just {NS} Come in them, there're, little Sausage thing I tell you what I do sometimes I Maybe I uh, I want to just tell you about that fish I go town sometimes I buy me a good big fish Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Well I'm not gonna eat all that fish at once You understand? Well I just take these bread sacks Uh they got little sacks that uh like you put, like you wanna store food in In your freezer You see? And just, I just Put me two, three pieces of that, two, three in there, pile 'em, then when I wanna cook Just get one of them, don't have to get the whole thing, won't have Don't have to thaw out the whole thing to get what I wanna cook Interviewer: What's it made out of? 748: {NW} I tell you something {NW} Made out some like that stuff, I reckon Interviewer: Yeah 748: And I, and these bread sacks {NW} I have got some fish in there on now, got just some of these I buy white bread Put some fish down in there Interviewer: Yeah Um Now When you buy things in a store you carry 'em home in a what? 748: Well, I have to carry 'em home in a, in a in a, in a paper bag Interviewer: Um Are there any different sizes of 'em? 748: I tried all sort of sizes, some little bitty ones, some great big ones Interviewer: What's a poke, you ever 748: What? Interviewer: You know what a paper poke was? 748: No I don't Interviewer: Okay 748: I've seen, I've got some Great big ol' bag, and I've seen you put a half bushel in there {X} In that, in that paper bag Got, bought some stuff today Just pile it in that bag and now go home Interviewer: How does sugar come packaged? 748: Well they come in, in in a paper packages Interviewer: Did uh a large quantity used to come 748: Well a large quantity used to come, way back yonder, come in barrels You go there, say I want a, you want a, I want a dollar worth of sugar they'd go and dig you up a Weigh out some of it Interviewer: They sold it 748: Yeah they sold it, I said, made you a barrel of sugar You went to a store and they had a barrel of sugar there And uh, you wanted Say you wanted a dollar's worth {NS} Dip you out there and put the thing and weigh it Interviewer: How much would that be? 748: How much we, it would be Interviewer: How much would a dollar's worth be? 748: Well I tell you that, and a dollar's worth Used to be a good big bit, now it ain't much {NW} Mighty little bit sometime get for a dollar now Or I tell you what I chew tobacco all the time, I've, I've seen um Uh Piece tobacco that I paid Thir- thirty-nine or forty cents for I used to get it for a dime That's the way I get 'em Interviewer: You used to could get it, now, you used to get it for what? 748: A piece of bacco I used to get for a dime I have to pay about forty, forty or forty-five cents for right now Interviewer: But you, you used to could get it for Ten? 748: That's right Interviewer: How much? 748: Ten cents Take snuff Little ol' box that, used to, we used to call knicker boxes of snuff But then knicker box snuff now cost you fifteen cents It's a big ol' box snuff Interviewer: Yeah Um did, did uh What was sugar used to come in, like fifty pounds of sugar? 748: Well as I told you, um Interviewer: Or flour 748: Well I tell ya it'd come in sacks Cotton sacks Interviewer: Did you ever see potatoes, or anything like that, what would they come in, or Or What would they ship feed in? 748: Well potatoes, they, they ship potatoes in sacks too, just put 'em in sacks Interviewer: Yes sir When you, when you were picking cotton, what kind of bag did you put it in? 748: Well usually I'd just take a, we used to buy a Oat sacks, we used to buy oats, ya know? And um In great big sacks Interviewer: What what was it made out of, it was a kind of #1 {X} # 748: #2 Yeah # I couldn't tell you just what that stuff's made out of Interviewer: Rum cloth? 748: Yeah, now another thing I have made 'em out of the {D: lord} take some {D: lord's} cloth Make a long, good sack Strap on it, and you pick and drag it all around They'll put Picked a home town thing, I have seen folks Them big ol' long sack kind of sack behind 'em Put maybe a hundred pounds cotton Full to the brim, too That's made out of {D: lord's} Cloth Interviewer: Out of what? 748: {D: Lord's} Cloth cloth cloth Interviewer: #1 Cloth? # 748: #2 {X} # {X} Cloth They call it {D: lord's} That's what we used to call it Interviewer: Um Now when you bought feed or something like that, what kind of sack would it come in? 748: I know corn, we call 'em corn sacks and them, and uh {NS} but it's But I can't tell you now just what, what it's made out of Interviewer: Yeah, and coffee, it would come in a 748: #1 What you say? # Interviewer: #2 Coffee or # Or Would you ever see a croker sack? 748: Yeah, croker sack, that's what I call it, that's what I'm talking about, croker sacks Interviewer: Now What would you call, maybe the amount of corn you'd take to mill at one time? 748: Well {NW} When I was a kid, used to carry sometime From a half bushel to a bushel Carry it to mill to get ground into meal Half a bushel of corn Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 Carry it to # The mill, they grind it into meal Interviewer: You wouldn't take a full load, you'd just take a 748: Well, I'd just take what, whatever, any amount I wanted Say if I wanted bushel, couple bushels at a time I'd just Shove a bushel corn cob And if I want a half bushel, just shove a half bushel corn cob Interviewer: Yeah? Like the grist? Uh 748: Well you see They go there and grind it, you had, you have to sift it to get their, get they Get the crust out it Have to sift the meal Interviewer: Um When you were, maybe when your mother was cooking And you were outside she'd yell for you to bring in a She'd say {D: She'd say, Boysie, bring me in a} A what of wood, how much wood would she have you bring? 748: Well I tell ya She, she'd, Come outside I need some wood in this fire pit, I'd just go out and get a armful Interviewer: Um Now When a new light burns out nowadays you have to put in a new 748: Bulb Put a new bulb, new bulb Interviewer: A new what? #1 Light # 748: #2 Bulb # Bulb, yeah, light bulb Interviewer: Yeah 748: We used to run a cord, you know Nobody got a coil lamp now, put you some c- got got a lamp Thing a coil in it Top on it and a wick Down in there Globe on it, ya see Interviewer: Yeah 748: And uh Don't tell uh tell ya what Uh We had a A light shortage here For a long time, something happened, freeze or something And I s-, and I, I I saved 'em all these coils lamps, I'm talking about, I didn't throw 'em away {NW} When it got dark there I'd just, had, got me up and went and got an oil lamp {NW} And um Put some c- oil in it, had me a light Tell ya the truth, it got to the place you couldn't light up a fire in a lamp in the elevator Folks board 'em up so That's the truth {NW} Board 'em up so it doesn't Doesn't {X} nothing {NW} When I got these I, told 'em just throw them things away, well I didn't throw 'em out, I saved 'em I got 'em I give my daughter a lamp She couldn't see in her washroom Coil lamp, I give it to her when she was here last year in July Tell ya Course say I got electric lights, well {NS} Electric um had electric Here out, but I I got a lamp I'd like to have someone made me, grab me a light just as soon Interviewer: Mm-hmm 748: Coil lamp Interviewer: Um Now What do you Hi- hit nails in with #1 You # 748: #2 A # Hammer Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Hammer Interviewer: Skors- some sort of carpenter tools you might keep around When you have a heavy load, you you Carry it around and these things had wheels on 'em 748: What's that? Interviewer: #1 {NS} {X} # 748: #2 {NS} Oh uh wheel # Wheelbarrow? Interviewer: Okay Um If you have a, tell me all about how you used to get into town when you were younger, what would you use? {NS} 748: {X} Interviewer: Yeah? #1 Well did you have a # 748: #2 Now well now # Listen Them long ones then I, then I have went horseback, you understand that? Ride a mule or a horse Then I went in a wagon Then I walked there a million times on my foot I've walked there over a million times back, a million times I walked, my church is here four miles now, I've walked to my church, I said A million times twice a day, go up there in the morning Sunday and come back Back then you'd say, walking {NS} That's right Interviewer: Have you ever had a car? 748: No sir I never did own a car Interviewer: #1 Uh # 748: #2 I tell ya I mean # I never did own a car Uh The main reason I didn't ever own a car Was this I have some blackouts Blackouts And my doctor told me, don't you drive no car, don't you climb up in that I don't have 'em bad now cause my doctor just uh Give me medicine that keeps 'em down, I don't know what, what is it but, blackout Interviewer: So you've never 748: Never drove a car, never owned one, see when, when I got to the place I Figured I'd buy me a car Sh- uh in shape that I thought I'd get me a car I have them blackouts, see my doctor done told me now, don't you drive no car and don't you clamber up on one Got to mean I ain't ever owned a car Didn't cause I couldn't have, but I got too weak Because um, I've been so ever since I was About eighteen years old I've been getting what I wanted with or without the money Interviewer: Um Well Talking about going into town Somebody would say they got in their car, they have done it how many times? 748: What's that? Interviewer: Talking about going into town, you might say I have often 748: Mm-hmm walked into town, yeah, a million times, and back Interviewer: #1 Well # 748: #2 Walked there and back # A million times Interviewer: Where- well you have walked, whereas most people have 748: Well, some of 'em had the convenience Back, way back yonder some of 'em had horses to ride and some of 'em had wagons to go in And all like that, and I've, and a mare or two, I've seen times I didn't have that Now they got the cars Interviewer: Yeah, you have walked, right? But most other people have Have what? They have 748: Well, most most people now got the cars {D: To go back to Folly} Interviewer: Yeah 748: In fact I went to Little Rock yesterday Little little little go I'm gone to see my son Interviewer: How how of-, how often have you Gone to Little Rock? 748: Oh I've been to Little Rock, I've been five or six times, I guess In my life Course I had some chil-, got children way on up there Interviewer: Yeah. You say you have what 748: I got a son that live up there Interviewer: You have dri- uh #1 You # 748: #2 I have {NW} # I have rode the bus And uh Then I went there and back with folks in cars I have rode the bus to Little, to Little Rock Interviewer: Or you have dri- have You've rode the bus or you've 748: Went with somebody in car Interviewer: Dri- 748: Went with somebody in a car #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 You drive? # 748: No I went with a man yesterday Interviewer: And he 748: He done the driving He was going up there and I wanted to go up there and see my son, he said you can go with him, brother, {D: pay me} I went, I just sat back there in the back seat and looked Sat there in the back seat and listened, looked at 'em Up and down the road Interviewer: Yeah Um Now the parts of a wagon Can you give me some of the parts of a wagon, have you got a There's a long wooden piece between the horses 748: Long wooden piece between the horses Oh that, I don't know, unless, unless it's a wagon tongue, that's all I can think of But then a wagon, a wag- a tongue, you know Interviewer: Yeah? 748: That's all I Interviewer: When you get in a horse in between, backing into a buggy #1 You backing in # 748: #2 Well now listen # That's shaft Interviewer: Yeah 748: That's one horse Interviewer: #1 What # 748: #2 {X} # Interviewer: What do you say to him? 748: {NW} Tell the horse get up Now a one horse wagon, a one horse buggy It had shafts you see Them shafts they are See they'd come up On the horse thataway, you'd have a harness you know That you'd fasten on there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 748: And uh, just go on in when ya When you had two horses A wagon It had a long tongue Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 And that # Tongue went up, from on up, to them horses' mouth Ya see? And uh, had singletrees And doubletrees back there on the wagon, ya see, and hooked on that That's what, and in the hor- and then hook in that bump {NS} line um a And leather lines, uh lines, to to gu- to gu- to guide 'em by Interviewer: What about the wheel? 748: Well the wheel was just always a Um All we all had is wooden wheels Interviewer: Yeah? Tell me about them 748: I ain't got none I don't have no {X} I don't have no wagon, I don't have no way of going down around except Uh Getting somebody cabbing Interviewer: What were them wheels like? 748: What they like? Interviewer: Yeah 748: They just round Interviewer: You had an inside, you had the #1 Hub # 748: #2 Leather line # Just round you know, and them wheels are round Then they had a, what you call a hub Had spokes coming into that hub And then up into that, edge of that wheel, you see Interviewer: Th- that they fed into the what? 748: That fed into the, that fed into that uh rim Interviewer: #1 Wooden? # 748: #2 All right? # All right? Interviewer: The wooden rim? 748: No They had uh Yeah wooden rim, that's right Interviewer: Okay and then #1 What # 748: #2 Now now now listen # Wooden rim doesn't have a A what they call a tied-in, a wooden or i- iron tie To go in it See? Interviewer: Mm-hmm You had to keep that In the, now in the summer sometimes, when it was hot #1 Weather # 748: #2 {X} # You had to keep it in the, in, out of the weather, then they'd It would get dry, you know, and start going to pieces Interviewer: What happened to the wood? The wood 748: And the wood uh would um dry Interviewer: #1 Yeah you take # 748: #2 Don't want it to dry out # But you could, I tell you what you do Come the rain, you know, it'd swell back up and tighten up or you could pour water on if you wanted Interviewer: When you put water back on it, it did 748: #1 Put put # Interviewer: #2 If it # 748: Plenty of water on it, though Interviewer: Yep 748: It'll, it'd cause it to swell up Tighten up Interviewer: Yeah Um {NS} Now, suppose there was a log in the road 748: Well it ch-, a log in the road, now what about it? Well I tell you, in a in a, and you in the wagon? Well I tell you what you do, tell ya {NW} Had to stop that wagon and get that log out of the way before you do it, unless it's a Very big log Had to get it out someway, then you couldn't go, then you had to turn around and go back Interviewer: You tied a rope to it and 748: Tie a rope to or else {NS} Cut it {NS} And and and get you a, a stick And uh Uh just keep on digging, in in and out of the way {NS} Yank it round out the way Interviewer: Tied a rope to it and #1 What # 748: #2 No don't have to # Tie no rope to it if you're gonna do that Nothing but just cut it in two and get you a pick or hoe or something Just run under that That log Pick up on it, let it, let it slip it away Run, and just keep on 'til you got it rolled over Interviewer: Yeah {NS} Or you might tie a rope around it #1 {X} # 748: #2 Well you # Could tie a rope around but i- But if you ain- but if you ain't got nothing to pull it And when you ain't got nothing but that Ya had, had to have a horse or something hitched #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Well # Say when you were out logging, you were 748: Logging Interviewer: Yeah #1 You'd tie the # 748: #2 Well # Interviewer: Rope to it and 748: No I didn't put no rope, chain Interviewer: #1 {X} # 748: #2 Put chains # In a in a, chains and grabs If you logging Take you a chain, long chain and have Some hook, grabber, grabs When you just, hook that grab around that log, you see That long chain 'til you haul it together, you gone Interviewer: And you did what, you you say you did what with the log? 748: {NW} If you wanna haul them logs, wanna get 'em out of the way now, wanna haul 'em to a mill or something Interviewer: Sure 748: You'd drag 'em up To your wagon where you wanna load 'em, then when you wanna load 'em you have you some skid pulls Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And put 'em up In there on, on the side of that wagon Interviewer: And then you did what, you 748: Well when you put 'em on the side of the wagon, you se- you go around the other side then Ya see And you hook your Take your chain And have that chain, you know, come by that way and drive that and that just Pull that log out on or right on up on top Interviewer: And you did what, you dr-, you 748: Well when you got up there now uh You take the chain down Interviewer: You'd dr- you'd Talking about dragging a log, you say 748: #1 Well ya # Interviewer: #2 I # Tied a rope to it and I 748: No not rope, tie chain to the rope, uh Interviewer: #1 I tied a chain to it # 748: #2 With uh with grabs # With grabs Interviewer: Yes sir 748: They had things you know you just {NW} Man that thing'd just grab a log and go on Interviewer: Yeah You say, I tied a A chain to it and 748: Yeah, you could say you Interviewer: I grabbed a chain 748: #1 Well that's right, that's, that's right, that's right # Interviewer: #2 And it, and it what, it gr- # Mm-hmm Um Now What do you call that X-shaped frame you might lay a board across? 748: What's that? Interviewer: An X-shaped frame you might lay a board across when you were sawing When you had to saw a board where would you put it? Say you're doing some carpentry work, where would you saw it? 748: Well, I tell ya if I was gonna saw a board Only way I know, have, did have a Uh Just lay the board down on something and, and put a weight on it, just saw it is all I know Interviewer: Yeah? #1 Did you ever see the things that were made # 748: #2 I have, I have, yeah I # I have seen things though, you, that uh, but I never did use one of 'em That uh {NW} You'd go thataway thataway And lay a plank up in thataway and saw it Interviewer: #1 What'd they call 'em? # 748: #2 I know, I know # Well they call 'em uh jacks Interviewer: Jacks? Were they X-shaped? 748: Yeah Interviewer: Did you ever see on that was A-shaped? And uh You might Uh You might use these now and uh, they'd have two A's and a and a board that fit between 'em That was a saw-what? 748: I never had no, no mm uh, or that, see I never did no carpentry work, I never did bought that {NW} Interviewer: Yeah Now Um You'd straighten your hair with a comb and a 748: Comb and a brush Interviewer: Say you take a brush and you'd 748: When it gets long I'd have it cut off {NW} Interviewer: Folks had a lot longer 748: What's that? Interviewer: Had a lot longer back in the old days, didn't they? 748: Well that's true, yeah way back Lot of folk done gone to wearing its that away now Interviewer: Have they? 748: You've seen folks {D: round now, hair that away all} on their face and everything, don't you? Interviewer: They got a what? 748: You just, a beards Long beards and all that stuff And uh, men going out around, hair way long like that shit But used to you didn't see that Men had to have cut off, with shaved face {NW} Now Now some of you men going around there now have on like that Interviewer: And you'd #1 Comb # 748: #2 All over their # All over their face you know, and all down down Interviewer: You comb your hair, you You, you br-, you You wanted a straighten you'd comb it or you'd 748: Maybe want it, when you'd comb it though, then you'd take a brush Interviewer: And you'd br- and you'd 748: Brush it, that'll have to, that'll straighten it out Interviewer: Yeah Um Now In a revolver you'd put what? 748: What you mean, now, about that? Interviewer: In, you know in a gun, or a #1 A pistol # 748: #2 Oh uh # Cartridges? Interviewer: Mm-kay 748: Just like you put shells in the shotgun, you know Interviewer: Yeah Well Now The ch- the playground equipment that children are play on That'd do this 748: Well it, some of 'em call 'em a Let's see, what they call them thing Interviewer: You ever have, z- 'em? 748: I know I know what you're talking about Interviewer: #1 One person'd get on one end # 748: #2 Well I know # I know, I'm I'm just thinking about trying Interviewer: Say you were 748: I'm trying to what t- k- think about what to call that now, I know, here I've plenty to know Interviewer: #1 Teeter # 748: #2 I get on one end # The other go go on up I'd jump up Can't think now what Interviewer: #1 Teeter-totter, or # 748: #2 What they what they call it # I just can't think what they call it Interviewer: See- 748: See-saw, there you Interviewer: You'd get on it and you'd say you were doing what, you were 748: Well if you get on it, you just having fun's all I know Interviewer: Um Now What about one Did you ever see those, mister, uh Mister {B} That were anchored in the middle, maybe? And they'd go around and round? 748: They call them uh {D: Whirlwigs} Interviewer: Whirl- 748: #1 {D: Whirlwigs} # Interviewer: #2 {D: Whirliwigs} # Now you might tie one to a tree and you'd 748: Well, that's a swing Interviewer: Yeah? {NS} Or you might pit- you might do, you might Did you have that game you'd play, you'd {D: Put a couple of stobs} And you'd Toss things at 'em, you, you'd say you were doing what, you were 748: Well um Interviewer: {D: Try and get closest to the stob} 748: Yeah well Interviewer: You'd take them and What would you say you were doing? You ever hear of that game? 748: No I don't think so Interviewer: You'd use these, these came off a horse's feet 748: That's a horseshoe, they call Horseshoes? Interviewer: Yeah You ever play that game? You ever play a game? 748: Yeah, yeah I have, yeah I have, similar yes Interviewer: What was the game? 748: Well you just I don't know what you call it now but I sure have played it a little bit in my life #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Yep # 748: Horseshoe out there now {NW} Interviewer: Can you remember any other games you played when you were young? 748: Do what? Interviewer: Other games you played when you were 748: Well listen now I played in a jumble, just Just old plain baseball and marbles and uh Uh that's about the biggest thing because I never did uh Play no checkers and things like that Biggest thing now I played was Marbles and baseball Marbles and baseball Course I've seen them other kind of game played, but not that I've played Interviewer: Any games folks would play at night? 748: Basketball Interviewer: Games you might play at night or anything like that? 748: At night? Interviewer: Bunch of kids would get together and 748: Well I don't mm Don't remember nothing Interviewer: One'd be it You'd play Try and get the others, anything like that, hide and 748: Have played hide and seek, I've played that now Interviewer: #1 Tell, tell me about that # 748: #2 Hide and seek # Well hide and seek is um Is uh Listen, there you Make a lad got his eyes shut and they then the others go and hide {NS} {NW} And they others, then they'd just get and they'd go seek him out and find where it at Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Hide and seek Interviewer: Did you have a place you could get back to and you'd be safe? 748: Be safe? Interviewer: Yeah, you'd call that the 748: A hide and seek? Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 748: #2 Well sometimes # You know, but Put and just play hide and seek, just run out there in the bushes or anywhere else And uh and you had to hunt until you found him Interviewer: Any other kind of games you might play? 748: No I don't remember nothing about no games I've played that I can come up with As I told you, marbles and baseball Interviewer: Yeah What about them things people'd play in their mouth? 748: Harps? They had two kinds, a harp and a Jew's harp Interviewer: Yeah? 748: A Jew's harp, put it in, them things surely make could make good music, I love them Man uh put them things, yeah put in your mouth and on hold and just And they kinda {NW} That's that now they call it a Jew's harp Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And others, you know, there's a blowing harp you {X} Interviewer: What did you do with that? 748: Well they just blow 'em, just Uh just just just blow it 'til you actually find Fine and coarse side to it, you know If you wanted playing a song, you know You just um Turn thataway, maybe over to the to the right side {NW} To to to one side, that's what was the fine music, if you wanna Uh little coarser just turn a little {NW} Interviewer: Mouth harp? French harp? 748: Uh these are I mean a harp {D: Not actually in the string} It had notes in it Interviewer: Yeah {NW} Um Did you, did you ever have a container for coal? That you might keep near the stove or the fireplace? 748: No never did have no container, I often Took it out the only That way I can See the {X} just Pile the wood out on the porch When I got ready for it just go out there and get some more Interviewer: Yeah? What runs from the stove To the chimney? 748: Stove to the chimney? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Well the pipe Stove pipe Interviewer: Okay What's the flue? Is that 748: Well the flue is a thing built to to s- to to Um To stick a pipe in off a stove In that flue, brick flue Then that'll got the smoke on up there Interviewer: Yeah? Did you ever use maybe a Put coal in a bottle? 748: #1 A what? # Interviewer: #2 Then you might # Stuff a rag in the top of that and you make a what? 748: Put coal in the bottle and do what now? Interviewer: When you had to go out at night #1 And you didn't have a # 748: #2 Oh well # Interviewer: When you didn't have a lantern #1 {D: Ring} # 748: #2 Well I # Tell ya I've ev- I've seen that done but I never did do it I never used one of them lantern or torchlight Interviewer: A what? 748: Torchlight, from cracked pine, find you some cracked pine, you know, just And man you can go anywhere you want with that {X} I can remember when Folks used to Uh Um Go, go bird thrashing Clear up a big new ground, big old heaps built up around it For them bush, you know Them birds would go in them heaps rest, roost And I've seen, when, I have done that, go there and shake that bush, at night Have torches you know, big torchlight Them bird fly, catch 'em up and down Interviewer: {NW} 748: Torchlight Interviewer: What kind of bird? 748: Pine, just rich pine, then I seen folks Maybe you wanna go somewhere Same thing, didn't have a lantern, get him a torch light, he's going Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Give him some cracked pine Interviewer: Yeah If something is squeaking Uh like, what did you used to put on a wagon wheel? 748: Well a- axle grease Interviewer: Yeah 748: Axle we called it axle grease Interviewer: Yeah you took that grease and you 748: Just take that wheel {NW} Pull it off that little bit And put a little of that paste Paste that wheel on that {NW} See and then and stick it back then in that Interviewer: What'd you do, you 748: Well you had to take it a-, take it, say you had Unscrew it Interviewer: And you did what, you gr- 748: Well you unscrew it then when you unscrew it you pull it off a little bit, not plumb off Then put you some of that axle grease on there Have a little packet And slip it back on there and put that cap back on there or the wheel'll run off Interviewer: Yeah? You say you did what, you You gr- you You did what to the wheel? 748: Well Uh the wheel that went to squeaking, put some axle grease on it Interviewer: Yeah, you say you 748: Screwed Had had to unscrew that tap On the end of it, thataway And flip that wheel out a little bit, and put that a- a- that axle grease on that and it's Flip back and then put that cap back on there Interviewer: Yeah Okay I, I what, I I did what to my car, I did, I What to my 748: Well I just say I I I greased my wagon Interviewer: Okay 748: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 And I got my hands all # 748: Well if I got my hands on there I went and washed 'em Interviewer: They were all what? 748: All dirty, filled it up, and I went and cleaned 'em up with some soap and water Interviewer: Yeah if you got grease all over your hands 748: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 You'd say # They were all 748: Mm-hmm, same thing got Interviewer: They're all what, grea- 748: All greased up Interviewer: Greasy? 748: Grease, and sometimes, why I've seen greased Get on that, you have them Be able to take a little, take black grease, some of this, take coal and rub all it in Interviewer: Yeah 748: {NS} Interviewer: You know, some people don't like to eat certain foods that are fried in oil because they say they're too They claim they're too what, too 748: Too fat? Interviewer: Too gr- too 748: Too greasy, or fat, or something like that? Interviewer: Greasy? Yeah {NS} Um Now Uh {NS} Do you like to fish? 748: What's that? Interviewer: You like to fish? 748: Like to fish? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Well I never could catch no fish much, I went a little bit and caught a few, didn't even bite my rope I don't know how come, I've seen men fishing Folks just catching just Jack a bunch in and then {X} I have some white friends That I went to fishing with 'em and last time I remember going with them We went to a place called uh Grand Mill Lake We got in a boat And they're just a-pulling {X} The man and his wife both spoke the same time, I got a nickname, called me Man Man, hand me that pole there I ain't telling, say what they done They took Got hook and line off that pole They put another hook and line on that pole, with a with a cork on it On that line, you see Then they baited that hook with a minnow And said now, we was catching crawfish with that Don't jack 'em now, they mouth {X} And I gone pulled 'em out, don't know who done the motor good, me or him I mean my white friend I just {NW} Just reached just down there Interviewer: #1 You # 748: #2 {X} # When they pulled the cork under said just left him out Don't jack it Interviewer: You commenced to pull him out? 748: Jack him, don't jack him, tear his mouth on them, them crawfishes will His mouth tender Jack other fish, who jacking with Crawfish, catch 'em with With mild temper Some folk call 'em white perch Interviewer: What kind of boat were you in? 748: Just in a, well we was in a Little metal boat Paddle boat Interviewer: What do they call that? 748: All I know just a Just a runabout boat's only way I know Interviewer: Yeah You ever seen them boats that were narrow at the Pointed at the front? 748: Well that's true, I've seen another Interviewer: #1 Look # 748: #2 I've seen # I've seen homemade boats, you know, made thataway Interviewer: What do they call 'em? Jon? 748: Yeah just made, Jon Interviewer: Jon boats? 748: Yeah, that's all I've Interviewer: What about the real narrow ones? Uh 748: Well uh Interviewer: A pirogue or a 748: Yeah that's right, a rake Interviewer: A backhoe, you ever hear? Never heard of them, okay Now When you first get in a boat, you say you're doing what, you're gonna 748: Well uh, when you first get in a boat you need to sit down Interviewer: And somebody does what to it? 748: Then the next time, when the next thing you wanna do Is you do you have a paddle, a long paddle Interviewer: How do you get out? 748: Well I tell you, when you put the paddle, it's in, you just push Off from the bank, and that paddle and paddle where you want then when you want to come back Just paddle up to that then Paddle up to the where you want to get out at Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And stop the boat And just come on out Interviewer: You ever built a boat? 748: Ever what? Interviewer: Built a boat? 748: Been in a boat Interviewer: Built 748: No I never built one, but I've, I've never seen one built but I've seen boats that have been built Interviewer: Now You may have just built a boat and you're gonna do what, you say you're gonna Put it in the water for the first time 748: Well Interviewer: You say you're doing what, you're 748: Well you Interviewer: Lau- 748: Well the thing you put in the water for the first time, you putting that into The the the swell up so it won't in Interviewer: You're launch 748: That's the same thing I guess, and then uh Interviewer: Launching the boat? 748: Yeah Interviewer: You know what it means to launch? 748: No I don't think Interviewer: Mm Yeah But uh Now, did you ever like to go swimming? 748: I've been in the water, played in the water all I done it when I was a kid more than a little bit but I never did learn, never did learn how to swim I've played in water, but I didn't learn how to sw- Ought to have but I didn't I've been out all day long Course I was a boy living about these folks and To tell you the truth, me and I've been out All day long playing with six, seven, eight, or ten white boys, I was the only black boy in the bunch {NW} They could swim real neat, I never just learned how to swim I don't know how come I didn't but I didn't Interviewer: If a boy wanted to get across the river he Ran up to the edge and he 748: Well if a boy, if one wanted to get across now, he went and got a boat or something Why Another boy, if if he could swim, if he could swim he just went down and swim across You can't swim across, there's another thing Uh Sometime I've seen times where I've had, I, in other words I've had 'em help me across Them that could swim, them that could, and well they'd just lead me across Interviewer: Yeah Well you say a boy went up to the edge of the water and he He did what, he 748: Well with the boat now you just push your boat and pull your You you you paddle {C: Noise in previous line} You paddle your boat, paddle your boat on up And that The other way when you paddle a boat to the edge, you know Uh let it run up on the ground, like Course now when you're going off, the boat have to be down in the water, you see Though you want to stop and paddle that boat Til the point to where it'll kinda run up on the edge of this bank And come out the end Then when you wanna go Why you just take your paddle Push on this side, that side and make you push it on up, push it on out into the water {NS} Interviewer: Yeah Okay if the boy had to swim across the lake You'd say he went up to the Side of the 748: Well I tell you, if one If one had to swim across that's the only way, he just got in there and swum, that's all I know Interviewer: Yeah 748: One that couldn't swim, and you wanted him to get across, you just had to help him get across Interviewer: Yeah You did what, you 748: Well that's the way you had to paddle, you know, thataway, that's the way they done but I never did just m- Interviewer: No um Somebody was up on a high place in the water and they You ever see 'em do that? They'd get up in a tree over uh Over the water? 748: Yeah I don't I don't ever played up no tree, never seen 'em Interviewer: And they'd do what, they would 748: Uh you mean dive? Interviewer: Yeah 748: Oh well, I've never done that Yeah I've seen folk dive, you know, dove in summer, don't care what they have Boys on the bank, a tree or what, just down and then they, come up that's dive Interviewer: Yeah? You say the boy He did what, he To get up the tree 748: Yeah get up on the tree or a limb or anything you wanted to get up on Tree kinda high on the bank of the water, you see Just Jump off in there and dive in Interviewer: You ever see a boy, what would he do? How would he get up the tree? He did what? #1 He # 748: #2 {X} # {D: Done the tree, clambed up there, just clambed up} Interviewer: {D: Clambed up the tree and he did, and he} {D: You say he clambed up the tree and} 748: {D: That's right clambed up the tree and then when you wanna jump off,} he just jumped off {C: NS from 58:42 to 59:10} Interviewer: D- you say he di- {NS} He did what, he {NS} 748: Dived off Interviewer: {D: Clambed up the tree and dived off?} 748: Mm-hmm dived off, and then down in the water {NS} Interviewer: Would you ever seen somebody turn a Something in air? You ever hear that? Say they turned a 748: {NS} Interviewer: What {NW} A what? 748: Mm I don't remember Interviewer: Somer- 748: Don't know, know what you're talking about Interviewer: Well when you're on the ground you roll over You turn a 748: Somerset? Interviewer: Somerset When somebody's diving and they don't land right {NS} They do a what? 748: I just tell you all I know is they hit the water cause I never did dive Interviewer: A belly 748: Yeah you's belly up Interviewer: It He landed on his belly, they'd say he did a belly- {NS} 748: No I tell you when you're diving you know, they You just dive, right, the heads go in the water When they swimming they won't, they belly's up there, but when they diving, you know they got to Turn the head down to go under {NS} Interviewer: Yeah {C: Audio distorted from this point on} What if they landed wrong? They'd get their, they'd be redder than an Indian 748: Well that's right Interviewer: Or Really hurt Yup 748: {X} {X} {X}