Interviewer: What about those little vegetables little red ones? They were kind of peppery you might chew on 'em eat 'em raw? They grow in the ground they have roots? R- uh. 748: That's that's what we call a radish. See a radish I I I know the little roots taste good and a lot of folks just tell you about 'em. That's a radish. Now sometimes folks will use that pot to boil. It's one that you uh you know you just boil that boil in the other room. {NS} Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Well the rule is just to take them letting them little when picking little radishes out of the garden. {NS} Clean 'em up and wash 'em up and put 'em on the table and as you eat you eat 'em. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Always. Radish yeah. Interviewer: By the way this {B} I was talking with uh with Jeffery {B} yesterday and he told me to give it give you his best. 748: {NW} Interviewer: He said hi to you. 748: {NW} {B} Who? Interviewer: Judge {B} 748: Oh {B} yeah. Interviewer: Judge Carson {B} 748: Yeah I know him. Interviewer: #1 He lives down in Junction City # 748: #2 Uh uh who the # {B} yeah a fine old fellow used to be our judge a long time ago, I know him. I always thought the most of him. He always did treat me nice. Interviewer: Yeah. Um {NS} well {NS} uh other tomatoes you might have or I mean other other. 748: Well we have different kinds of tomatoes now different names. You got your {D: say the} Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Different names for tomatoes. Interviewer: What other kind of things do you raise? 748: What I raise? Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Well I'll tell you what I raise here I raise peas. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: I've raised corn. Interviewer: If you want to get the? 748: I've raised potatoes. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And I've raised collards. Interviewer: Yeah? Collards? 748: Cabbage. Snap beans. Butter beans. And uh in a bush full of beans then the bush gonna and then there's the running butter bean. Interviewer: Right. You got them big ol' butter beans? 748: Yeah and there's. Interviewer: #1 Yellowish kind of? # 748: #2 {NW} # That's right and then there's they're they're and and then we got uh uh a running butter bean on a phone pole then we gotta u-uh when it grow down there it makes bunches it come in bunch {D: and the butcher's like that's bunches.} #1 Growing four or five. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # What about that large flat bean that doesn't come in the you have to get it out of the pod? 748: Well that a Lima bean. You'd call them Lima bean. Interviewer: Yeah. Um are there any any other names for 'em? Uh was there any different sizes for 'em or #1 anything like? # 748: #2 Not that I know of # To be honest with you. Interviewer: Now snap beans you can eat them? 748: Yeah snap bean you just eat it take 'em off when they're turning then break 'em up break 'em up and cook 'em. Interviewer: Are there any different types of them? 748: Well we've got one called a Kentucky Wonder. Interviewer: {NW} 748: I know that. And then let me see. Interviewer: {NW} 748: None of these others I don't know I never even cared much about beans cause I never raised 'em like that but I know what them the main bean they raise around here is the {NS} the Kentucky Wonder. Interviewer: Yes sir. {NS} 748: They'll grow up on poles you see. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: {NW} You have to string 'em, though. They're good if you just pull that little string out. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: {NW} Interviewer: And then other beans that you can't eat by hand you gotta? 748: Yeah you can just just shell 'em. Interviewer: Yeah you gotta shell 'em. 748: And just shell 'em but the only way I had to shell it was to put it in my hand. Interviewer: Yeah? Now do you cut the tops off of of nests of turnips and make? 748: Well just make a Interviewer: Make a mess of? 748: Yes just just a mess a ton of greens. Interviewer: Yeah. Well what other kind of greens do you have? Besides turnip's tops turnip tops? You got collards 748: #1 Mustards # Interviewer: #2 you said? # 748: {NS} Interviewer: #1 Mustards? # 748: #2 We're really into mustards # we're really into mustards we're really into um and we we gotta {NS} uh love these mustards. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: And I've made the grandkids eat they've even got a little just call 'em mustard seeds. And then uh Interviewer: What if? 748: Some for great expense. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: That's all the same. Interviewer: That's good I love that. 748: Yeah same deal. Interviewer: Now what about that big red uh I mean that big yellow crooked neck vegetable? 748: That's a squash. Interviewer: Yeah. You got a white one? 748: Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Some some squashes as well I got here out {D: well they all try to breed them with yellow.} They'll do 'em and um and have a crooked neck into it you know telling them the right time or they'll get too hard for you to cut 'em up. And they just and they'll cook all the pieces good. Interviewer: Yeah. Did you have a name for it when you let it dry? 748: No. Because its don't let it don't let a squash dry. Not to cook it not to set it. Interviewer: {D: We ever assemble it?} 748: It's it's the only thing that uh only thing a squash is good for when it gets dried is you get the seeds out of it. Interviewer: Yeah. You know what #1 {D: settling was?} # 748: #2 W-w-when # when you when you when when you serve that want it to serve you cut it before it get dry. Eat it before it get dry cut it up and eat it before it gets dry. {D: And when I was tenant I was the} {D: younger yeared tenant you could ever hear.} Interviewer: Yeah. Did you ever dry other things? #1 Other vegetables or fruit. # 748: #2 I uh # I'll tell you what I dried. I have dried uh apples. Interviewer: Yeah? You make what? 748: Dried apples. Peel 'em off and take them apples and put 'em up make pie out of 'em. And uh I made preserves out of 'em. And uh I think like that the same way about peaches. Interviewer: Yeah? What kind of peaches do you get? 748: Well Uh they have other peaches here the main thing they been bring out is uh after classy peaches. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And I'll just tell you about another one what I couldn't I wouldn't want to then you gotta uh what do they call it an alien peach. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: That's a peach that sticks to the cob. You have to cut it off uh or bite it off one that's the only way you can go. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Make pickles out of 'em make pickles out of 'em they make best pickles my goodness alive. And just reach into the jar and get you a pickle. {NW} Interviewer: You have to cut it off the? 748: That's right you have to cut it off got to cut it off the back though or would you call that over that corn? Or the seed. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: That's right. Interviewer: Kernel? 748: Kernels. Interviewer: The kernel did you say? #1 You gotta cut 'em? # 748: #2 Yeah yeah kernel yeah. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Interviewer: Yeah. Now when you bite down on a on a well when you eat an apple a part you throw away is the? 748: Core. Interviewer: Yeah. When you dried apples did you call them snits? 748: No I never did call 'em we'd just call all I ever known is just calling 'em dried apples. Interviewer: Yeah. And the skin would do what it would? 748: Well I'd peel it peel peeling. #1 You'd take them peelings # Interviewer: #2 Just # 748: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 748: or you could take over half if you wanted you'd take them peelings and you'd make jelly out of 'em boil and make jelly out of 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 748: Take them peelings. Peel that apple. Take them and peel 'em and boil then peel them then make jelly out of 'em. Interviewer: Yeah? Now the the the apple when you when you dried a peach it would do what it would sh-? 748: If you ever want to dry want to dry a peach you know it'll it'll it'll just crimp up and get small Interviewer: It'll sh- so you say it'll do what sh-? 748: Just It'll just crimp up and dry up and just don't get plum dried but it'll just dry up you know and #1 its and # Interviewer: #2 And? # 748: crimp up. Interviewer: You say its shr- shr- 748: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Shrivel? # 748: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Would you say it sh- shriv- it does what? 748: Well it'd just shrivel up you might say. Might get dry. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: I have dried them in the sun just put 'em out in the sun and dry 'em. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Cut 'em up and then peel 'em and cut 'em up. And spread 'em out in the sun let the hot sun in the hot sun you'll see it'll just dry 'em up and then shrivel up when you get the dry you want you want to take 'em and store 'em away and use 'em when you get ready. Interviewer: What oh what kind of melons do you raise? 748: Melons? Well uh melons watermelons and {NW} {NW} You see this gray one. Interviewer: What different types of watermelon? 748: Well this gray watermelon I'm trying to call {D: main one.} Long gray Uh long they have another one on it that's uh is a uh we call it a a little old Interviewer: {NW} 748: one of 'em was a little old I have to keep 'em in {X} A little one, not that big. Interviewer: #1 Icebox? # 748: #2 You needed seeds. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Yeah ice box. Interviewer: Yeah. Would you 748: Oh well other one that I know they grow very big jumbo. And uh. Interviewer: Congo? 748: And uh I'm trying to think of that Charleston Gray. And uh I've raised them. Interviewer: That comes from where? 748: That you in uh the watermelon comes from Interviewer: Charleston Gray? 748: What's that? Interviewer: Charleston Gray comes from? 748: You mean where the wa- the watermelon? Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Well the watermelon you plant the seeds plant the seeds and and when the seed come up and it'll make a fussy little bush and then it'll make a vine. Then they'll come on out a little little bitty ol' watermelon uh a a bloom. A little bloom comes out on the end of that little watermelon of yours and it may be it may be a hundred blooms on there #1 on that vine # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 748: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 748: Maybe just one to one of them. Interviewer: #1 Hmm. # 748: #2 See? # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Depends on what you wanted. Interviewer: You ever seen them little small yellow meat? 748: Well if yellow uh uh I would call them uh cantaloupes. Interviewer: Cantaloupes? 748: Yeah. Interviewer: For any other types of melons? #1 Mush? # 748: #2 A cantaloupe and a mushmelon. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # A cantaloupe and a mushmelon now a mushmelon you can them ones will grow long. Cantaloupes round. Interviewer: I see. That's interesting. Have you gotten them things that'll come up in a field after a rain and they look like little umbrellas? 748: Yeah. {NW} Do you know what we call them? A dog stool. Interviewer: #1 Dog stools? # 748: #2 {NW} # That's the only way that I've called 'em. Th-that's {X} like. That's what we called them though but I've seen 'em grow good I've seen 'em come up to be g-good big thing. #1 I've seen # Interviewer: #2 What are they called? # 748: and I've seen some little big ones. Interviewer: Dog? 748: I call 'em dog we call that we just call 'em dog stools. Interviewer: Dog stool? 748: Yeah that's right. Interviewer: Have you ever seen have you ever seen the little ones they call 'em mush uh mushy mushrooms? 748: Yeah I've seen that your mushroom. Interviewer: Yeah. Now the type of other fruits you might raise. You get you ever get what kind of tree was it old George Washington cut down? 748: George Washington cut down? Interviewer: Yeah he cut down a what? 748: Oh well I'm Interviewer: The ch- the? 748: {X} There's the pecan tree. {X} Interviewer: You got pecan? Okay. 748: Well I just can't think right now I know about it. Interviewer: You got any little old berries? Kind of almost like it grows in a tree? What kind of trees do you got with berries on 'em? Ch- Do you got a? 748: Well I'll tell you what we have mulberries. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Trees come up and uh and they have mulberries on them. They'll bloom out. Interviewer: What kind of pie might you like? 748: What's that? Interviewer: What kind of pie do you like? 748: Pie? Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Well I like um most any kind of pie and I'll just tell you Interviewer: #1 Apple # 748: #2 the truth. # Interviewer: #1 or? # 748: #2 Like apple # and I like uh berry pie and I like uh potato pie. Interviewer: Yeah? Ch- 748: And I like uh chicken pie going to when it w-when it comes to the meats. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And that's it. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And pie made out of different kinds of fruits. Interviewer: What about those little red kind type of fruits? They might use they've got a seed in 'em? 748: Got a seed in 'em? Interviewer: When you ever used to get a banana split or something like that would they put a little red kind of thing on top? A red? 748: I'm just trying to think cause I don't know anything about that type of thing I don't can't Interviewer: A cherry? You got any wild cherry? 748: Wild cherry. Interviewer: Cherries yeah. 748: Yeah there's some wild cherry trees here cherry wild cherry trees. That's right. Interviewer: Yeah. #1 Well when you eat # 748: #2 Why a cherry tree # very little come on there and and they're red and they're sort of like something like a mayhaw. I don't know where the other you here don't see very many of these. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Mayhaws You know they grow in the bottles. They don't grow out over here. They grow in bottles. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: And uh you get them mayhaws well the biggest thing I know that the biggest thing I know that they pretty good to eat biggest thing I know they're good for is to make jelly out of 'em. They sure do make good jelly. Mayhaw Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 748: And they grow in the bottle. They don't grow in {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Yeah they grow in the bottles. Interviewer: Now when you eat a cherry you might break off a on on the the inside of the cherry what do you call that? 748: Uh {NW} the the core? What would you call that? {X} Interviewer: The inside of a cherry? 748: I don't know I don't never eat any cherries #1 cherries. # Interviewer: #2 B- # Bite down on the what? 748: You bite down on the on the core but uh the core or the. Interviewer: Okay. 748: So I don't. Interviewer: And you might break off a? Break off a what? 748: Well you'd just break off a piece of one I'd say. {NW} Interviewer: Break uh uh one of your? 748: Well you might break you can turn your teeth on it I don't. Interviewer: You know you might break off one what one? 748: Well you might break off one teeth if you bite o-on something too hard. Interviewer: Break off a what? 748: Teeth. Teeth. Interviewer: A tooth? 748: Teeth one of your teeth. Interviewer: Yeah you'd say you'd break off one? Or when you go to the dentist he has to pull a? 748: Well the dentist have to pull at your teeth. Interviewer: Pull one? 748: Well if he he gonna do it at all he gotta pull the root out. If it's broke. Interviewer: Of one? 748: Of uh of that one teeth pull the root out. Just go off in there. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Uh now the kind of nuts you might raise the kind you you raise out here and pull 'em out of the ground roast 'em? 748: Nuts Interviewer: Yeah. You raise any nuts in back there? 748: No. The old uh peanuts. Interviewer: Yeah they call 'em? 748: Uh goobers. Interviewer: Goobers? 748: {NW} Yeah. Interviewer: {X} You ever heard that? 748: Yeah What's yeah I got that. They call 'em goobers #1 {D: once they clean up} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 748: they're sometimes called goobers. Interviewer: Uh what about nuts you get out of trees? 748: Well hazelnuts Pecans and walnuts. Interviewer: Black? 748: Black walnuts. Hazelnuts. Only different s- different different #1 sized # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 748: Hazelnuts are a different size than walnuts. Interviewer: Yeah the hard covering of a walnut? 748: Well the walnut it I and the way that you way you serve that you gotta bust that the whole and pick it out. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Same thing about hazelnuts. Interviewer: You gotta bust open the what? 748: Well you gotta bust open that uh that that cone that that shell. Interviewer: Yeah. And then there's a before you get into there there's a there's a kind of a soft covering around the #1 out. # 748: #2 Well I'll tell you what # Tops it's up around what? Interviewer: Around the outside of the thing? 748: Oh well that's just a uh. Interviewer: That's a what #1 that's? # 748: #2 I just call that the hull. # Interviewer: The hull? Yeah. Now you mentioned pecans you any get any them little little flat nuts here almonds or? 748: No we don't I've got 'em Interviewer: #1 Almonds? # 748: #2 but we we don't # they don't grow here. Interviewer: What? 748: I I say they don't grow here but I ain't never seen one grow here but I've seen. Interviewer: What? 748: They're little uh almonds almond nuts. Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah but you don't have 'em. Hmm. That's interesting. Um. Well a place where are there any big places here where all that stuff you might have a a group of fruit trees growing together? Like a man down the road might have a? A peach? Say he had a peach? 748: And and they're fruit you said fruit growing together? Interviewer: Yeah. D- Does anyb- does anybody here have a big place where they grow a lot of fruit? 748: That I've seen a lot of places like that I have grown it myself. Interviewer: You have? 748: And uh peaches you know there's a peach tree here and an apple tree yonder pear tree yonder. {NS} And uh plums and plums yeah them come come on trees. Interviewer: Yeah. You had a fruit? 748: I've had fruit trees. Apples peaches plums. Yeah. And uh and walnuts same like I {X} Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Mostly nuts you know. {NS} Interviewer: A place uh if you have a lot of peach trees you might have a peach? 748: Peach orchard. I'd call that a peach orchard. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: If you've got a lot of apple trees they'd call that apple orchard. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Or a pear orchard's where there's a whole lot of oh if it's {NW} big there's a place and and just one type of tree call it you you'd it's just got apple trees in it nothing but apple trees next is pear trees and uh next is plum trees plum orchard. Interviewer: Does uh do you get that kind of fruit here that they grow down in Florida? About as big as an apple except its got a shell like a lemon on it? 748: Yeah but I don't know what the name is. I sees no I never bought one of them but I see it out on. Interviewer: What what kind of juice might you have in the morning when you get up? 748: Well juice in the morning if I want some juice in the morning I'll just drink something like orange juice. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Or tomato juice. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Then in other words you get the well how do they make orange juice? 748: Well the only way ever I've made it is just just take an orange and just rub it real good and and then and then cut it and squeeze the juice out of it. Interviewer: Oh that's the the so the juice it comes from the juice of? 748: An orange. See? Rub that orange and rub it a good ripe orange just rub it and rub it and rub it and it'll get soft and when it gets real soft then you cut that c-cut you a little hole in and just and mash on it you mash that hull together and that'll run that juice out. Interviewer: Do you like them? 748: Yes I like them. Same thing about lemons lemons you Interviewer: Yeah? 748: you wanna rub it y-you wanna I've I have sucked on one just then you can just rub a lemon and rub a lemon and rub a lemon to get him good and soft and mash that juice out of there. Put them some water if you want enough of it. I'll cut you cut I peel nothing you can cut lemons up in some water and sweeten it and we call that lemonade. See? Interviewer: Yeah? Now you might've had a a you might've you had some family or friends over to visit you uh so you went out and you bought a bag of oranges and uh you went in a couple of days later and and the bag was empty you'd say the or- the what the? 748: Do you mean? Well the well I just simply just used all up our oranges. Interviewer: Oranges you'd say the? 748: You've just done used 'em all up. Interviewer: The what the? 748: The oranges. Interviewer: Or? All or do you say oh my goodness I wanted me an orange is it I wanted me one of these oranges and they're all they're? 748: Well sometimes it doesn't done sp- done done done done spoiled and rotted. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: {NW} We'll get you an orange sometime I've ever had if I got to put up a watermelon in here well I call gonna go try to save me watermelon. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 748: I just try with a new experience one but when I cut that watermelon I try to freeze it. Keep it that ways. And I'll tell you another thing about watermelon we have kept watermelon we put 'em in the house and I've known folks to keep 'em there till Christmas. Right here in this country. And sometime you cut you bring one in there you've been keeping a while you just get so bust and all on the floor. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: I raised two big watermelons out there last year in my garden I couldn't tote it but I rolled 'em got 'em in the house and my why I saved 'em well he cut one one time or another and I went in there one day and and felt one of them watermelons looked and it's done got so soft and led to buckling that and that other one w-wasn't wrong I've got that knife I'll cut you {NW} And it was still good. Interviewer: But uh you had a bag and now they're? Now the oranges are? 748: You mean or- bagged up oranges? Interviewer: You had a bag of oranges and now they're? Somebody's eaten 'em? They're? You'd say they are? All? All gone? 748: Well bag of oranges and and and I keep 'em missing by the bag when they're all gone they're just all gone well I go for some time I thought I had an orange in there. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: But went down there and looked oh they ate up all them oranges. Interviewer: Yeah. If somebody offered you a plate maybe and it had peaches and apples on it and they offered you an apple and you would say no I don't want an apple? 748: Well if I'd rather have a peach I'd say I'll take a peach. Interviewer: Or give it? 748: Or apple whichever one I'd prefer. Interviewer: You'd say uh I don't want a I don't want a apple. 748: Yeah. That's right. That's take I say I'll I'll be able to take a peach. Interviewer: Or gimme? 748: Gimme a peach. Interviewer: Gimme a peach. Or if you didn't want a peach you'd say? 748: A apple. Interviewer: Huh? 748: An apple just gimme an apple. Interviewer: Okay. #1 Now # 748: #2 Just like uh # I'll tell you this much I'll be talking. {NW} I went to California to see my daughter. And she had a cousin out there a cousin {D: on the big been shopping for it. And when we went to that place {NS} why when my when my daughter gets out she goes into the kitchen where her cousin was preparing the meal and I go into the living room and sit down. And I sit round the living room {NW} there's a bunch of Coca-Colas sitting on the table and a bottle of whiskey. Well as the Lord would have it came on by anyway and I I just said uh listen gentleman and I'll take a coke. Y'all drink all that all you want I said I don't drink whiskey but I'll take a coke. {NW} Think Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Cause I had quit drank whiskey. I just leaned back and of course and right after I said that {D: and and man won't even open this bottle he said} {C: Background noise} I won't open a bottle of whiskey I've served I'm certified to {X} {NW} but they did. I have drank whiskey but uh I wanna tell you two things about whiskey. I drank some whiskey once and I went to to a to a prayer meeting. I know that I was going there when I left when I left cause she I know where I'm going I know where I'm going. I've drank some whiskey. And they're calling me to pray. And when I prayed uh didn't nobody hear the prayer but the devil. Uh but two or three days after that I couldn't hardly eat sleep nor drink. Just the truth however I told it. I prayed and prayed to my god this if you'll just forgive me for that I'll never no more touch a drop of intoxicating beverage Knowingly now listen I said knowingly. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 748: #2 That if I was going anywhere # to anticipate in religious wishing. Alright. They made a {X} out of me up here at my chest. And in the name of then I made this promise to my god that I'd never no more take a drop of no kind of {X} just for the sake of a beverage to fall sick. I'll take a little. That's the first whiskey that I told story a while ago I didn't intend my my neph- when my god forgive for that I'm telling you he just looked to me like some stuck me and he just come on up to my home. Get out of the way. Interviewer: #1 W-what? # 748: #2 I have # Drinked whiskey but I I drink whiskey I talked to a women at my church we got talking about drinks {NW} I said now listen I said I don't drink whiskey but I'll tell you what right now I have drank. I said I done whiskey a thousand times. I don't have each other's here come they don't need a limelight. {NW} I told 'em I got up someone pushed my arm and I'd been there two or three years and I said a-anyone bout that must've meant you got another {X} I said how come they can say that Yep uh. In account of sickness or something like that and I wondered and swore if I saw something like that I'd take it. How come you get separate is cause my daughter had one of the worst colds I reckon s-she ever had. And somebody told me to take some get some whiskey and and make a make a different lemon put something like hot lemon and warm whiskey. And I got it. Interviewer: How did she get it? 748: I mean I got it she took a cold. And I got the I got the whiskey bought it. {C: Clock begins chiming and keep chiming until 25m41s} And when I bought the whiskey why uh brought it home. Fixed it up. Fixed it up with a bit of hot tea in it. You hope shoot when there's something down looking for she'd only come here the other day. She'd come to visit me she found that whiskey what I had left and she drank it all up. {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 748: {NW} {NW} {NS} Well in case of emergency I bought I went and got another bottle. {X} Just bought that and went to bed. #1 Been there three or four year. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Yeah but you said that whiskey? 748: Whiskey. Interviewer: Did what to your daughter? 748: What's that? Interviewer: #1 {X} # 748: #2 I said # I said my my daughter like whiskey you know? Interviewer: Yeah. 748: I don't {NW} I mean I get it I made that that that uh tea out of that that whiskey and stuff up for my daughter while she had the cold. Interviewer: And it it what? 748: It helped her. Interviewer: It helped her? 748: Yeah it helped relieve her. And I said one of 'em left. {NW} Well so I still have it here. My sister found it and she drank it here. So I said well seeing as how something like that happened again I would just get in some whiskey and keep it there. Been gone right now. Another man drink it I didn't drink it another man drink it. But I kept the bottle can't get much out of the bottle. Interviewer: #1 Yeah? # 748: #2 Just about a swallow. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Interviewer: #1 Do you know? # 748: #2 I # Interviewer: Go ahead. 748: Oh yeah. Interviewer: Go ahead. 748: I never been down drunk in my life. But I've drinks whiskey. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: I tell 'em to add to my check. That I don't know I'm not sure if I would drink if I was sick or something I would drink that. So I quit drinking. {NS} Interviewer: Um. {NS} Well do you remember when folks used to make that here? 748: #1 Make that? # Interviewer: #2 Back when # they used to make it maybe illegally? 748: Yeah. Interviewer: They called it? 748: Uh they called it rum. {NS} They. {NW} Interviewer: Yeah. Folks would go down Saturday night to the where? 748: Well the folks um some folks you know serve a round bigger than their house. {X} Cause I know a fellow who lives in town here {X} and then some of 'em uh some of 'em made that stuff in the woods you know. Sell it to the folk Interviewer: Call it what? That was? 748: Well they called it they called it make beer and stuff like that you know and. Interviewer: Yeah at home that that home stuff they? 748: Home brew. Interviewer: Home brew? 748: Home brew yeah. That was when the when uh couldn't buy it. Whiskey here you know. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Oh yeah. Interviewer: What about that? Go ahead. 748: Well I know the fellow that uh had a place right down there he made made that stuff. And I have {X} both of them. Interviewer: Down where? 748: Right down there in the woods. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Had to hide according to the law someone would get you. Couldn't make it. Interviewer: You mean north of here? 748: What's that? Interviewer: You're pointing north of here? 748: No I said I said right down there in the woods. Interviewer: #1 Oh. # 748: #2 I mean right out there in the woods not far from here. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Interviewer: Down in the #1 bottom there? # 748: #2 Down in the bottom right right right. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Now {X} both of them and this is up on the hill now. Way back up yonder in the woods. He had a place at uh he made that home brew. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 748: #2 Went and # bought and made it and bottled it up #1 {D: see and hold it around} # Interviewer: #2 Is that beer? # 748: Hold it around and set it. Interviewer: Beer? 748: Yeah. Interviewer: Would he ever make any stronger than beer? 748: Sure. Sure I've been there to make whiskey yeah. Interviewer: Call that white? 748: Yeah. Interviewer: Did you ever have any names for that? 748: Yeah. Interviewer: Moon? 748: Let me see some people call it moonshine or. Interviewer: White white lightning or any? 748: Yeah. Interviewer: What about the stuff that was really bad? #1 You know just like # 748: #2 Okay. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Interviewer: pop people's skulls. 748: In baths? Interviewer: Really bad stuff it makes your head reel or something like that. 748: Well uh. Interviewer: The man who sold it he was a? 748: Well he was a I'd call it a bootlegger. Interviewer: Bootlegger? 748: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And uh did do you ever hear about the place where they'd sell it? 748: About the places where they sell it. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Sure they sell it four-forty five-eighty-seven that holds the horse. {NW} {D: Horse don't just torch just bleeding down here one night} big wagon load lets fire it up that {D: gin stuff.} And uh yeah. {NS} Somebody snuck up down there and uh the man that owned the whiskey {D: that hard} did a {D: hole in his head} now. They're building stuff. He was along he wasn't in the wagon women now I don't in a wagon. And somebody's stuff was caught up in that they hadn't they didn't have that uh dumpster at the end. Stuff on their creek. And cars would want to go forth ways. This man is owning that stuff now he says we says {X} and I don't know what we're going to do. {NW} He's had the sheriff's car {D: double blanched up.} {NW} That way he says he says no I ain't scared of the sheriff but I'm scared of the people. Of course like {X} to what he meant by that. If people know if some people if they know that sheriff know that that sheriff would act accord- but if he if if as long as he didn't know saw nobody know he was gonna say oh it in with the sheriff. {NW} Interviewer: Was he? {NW} 748: #1 Yeah you know he must # Auxiliary: #2 {NW} # 748: #1 you know he must be. # Auxiliary: #2 {NW} # 748: #1 # Auxiliary: #2 # 748: Yeah you know that the sheriff. Sheriff wouldn't hardly do nothing. But sometimes folks would have to do something to save the day. {NW} Now I said what they told told me and let me tell you. There's a car that wanna go north car that wanna go south. And one man passed by my wagon. And he asked me what are you loaded with? I said oh just bunch a boxes that's all I said. A bunch of boxes. I didn't say what was in 'em I said its a bunch of boxes. And he kept on {X} That's the only man said a word to me. And when the sheriff when they got the sheriff car and he went on by then here we going to buy our {D: vehicle} now. Had had to be right down here at Parker's. Uh uh uh. Well he yeah {D: down at Parker's} police right down across {D: talked to him repeatedly} Ever I asked yes for it I can. He tried to harm his self a load about ten miles across here what it be called snow hill. I said no no no I'm going to go alone I'll go. I'm going to tell you why. One wire they had it here. If uh if you were transferring some stuff for somebody else they didn't want you. Then they got tight on that. {NW} You're transferring something for somebody else and it's something against the law they'll get you too. {NS} {NW} It's uh. Interviewer: Did you ever hear the place where they'd sell it? 748: Sure. Uh. Interviewer: You'd call that the? 748: Well there's saloon uh Interviewer: {D: Blind?} 748: Saloon or Interviewer: #1 Do you ever hear? # 748: #2 {D: Beer joints.} # No like that. Interviewer: You ever hear of some sort of tiger? 748: Tiger? Interviewer: Yeah. 748: No I don't. Interviewer: A blind tiger? 748: Yeah I heard of blind I heard of blind tiger. Yeah. {NS} Interviewer: Uh. Now did you ever been up around Stuttgart? 748: No sir I never been up there. Interviewer: What do they raise up there? 748: I don't know to be honest to tell you the truth I don't know. Interviewer: You ever seen raised that that stuff mr {B} they go in a field and they flood it with water? 748: Go in the field and flood it with water? Interviewer: Yeah rot uh like um somebody in this county you said once raised? That white kind of stuff that you you you raise in in water? You know it grows #1 {D: water?} # 748: #2 Well. # Interviewer: You gotta have a lot of water to raise it. 748: {NW} Let me see now. Interviewer: They raise it down in Louisiana a lot too. 748: I'm just trying to steady do I know any kind of stuff like that that's raised around here? Had to raise it in water. Interviewer: A kind of white grain? You know they raise it up {NS} up in that prairie land up there. 748: I see well I've I just don't know any about it see I ain't never been up there and I don't know I ain't seen it. Interviewer: Yeah? You ever raised rice? 748: Rice. No I ain't never see raised no rice but I've seen some raised once. We was living on a white man's farm and that man had a way back down they had the farmer's union. And uh uh he raised some rice. Now take just one thing I all I know about what he done to that rice now the other I don't know but they'd gather that rice and tie it up in bundles. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And then you'd #1 put them? # 748: #2 And then listen. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Uh then he got into a room-like place Interviewer: Yeah? 748: and whipped that whipped them bundles over a barrel or something like that. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Well that Interviewer: Say you're doing what #1 trying? # 748: #2 In in other words flat uh # flatten the rice out you see. Well after you flat that rice out and sacked up I don't know he done with it. Because one thing about it you know uh even if that's you know he he says that about them hulled ones. See we buy rice here because we ain't got some more. Sometimes you buy rice now you can see them little once in a while. You can see the little find the little hull in that rice. {NS} Interviewer: How much would he lay to the acre? 748: Well {NW} I'd probably just have a small piece just a small place and just take it but I don't know I was a kid when I seen it done. and I just. Interviewer: Maybe about ten bu-? 748: Yeah maybe about ten bushes you got a good a good big {X} he got it he got a big pile imagine if four five six eight ten big bushels of it? And he got it whooped out. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: They're good for #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 You you # tied it up in a bundle right? 748: Tie it in a bundle Interviewer: #1 And then you'd? # 748: #2 and when he would go to # c- cut it you know? Interviewer: Yeah? 748: That way you make Interviewer: #1 And then you? # 748: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 748: #2 And then at the end you tie it in a bundle you see. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # and uh Interviewer: #1 Then you'd put it in a? # 748: #2 {D: point.} # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Then y- you you'd take it up in and. Interviewer: Put it in a? Ten bundles made a? 748: Take your put put them bundles in the house or if you want 'em then you got ready to shove 'em up but whoop it out what he done. Took them bundles and put 'em in the house he'd whip it out. Another way to get it together is get it done right. Interviewer: Yeah. A shock or a? #1 {X} # 748: #2 Your name you named # any uh and he just tied this up I'll tell you what a shocked up way up grown on poles were his father's concerns were to feed our horses. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: But he didn't shock this up. Interviewer: #1 Uh. # 748: #2 You know his kid I told # we was in on his place he didn't shock this up he just cut it down had it cut and tied up tied up in bundles. Interviewer: Yes sir. 748: And hull again. Hull again to put it on a room. Doesn't have and whipped it out whipping it all about or something. And then when they whipped it out of course uh the shell part of that I'd throw that away and that rice I was gonna sack it up and I don't know what he done with it I don't know about it. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Away back on the farm as usual is a big thing here Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 748: #2 in this county. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Interviewer: Now you said you raised hay and things like that. Where would you raise hay? That would be on land that was kind of land that was too low to raise anything else but hay? #1 That would be? # 748: #2 Well I'll tell you # I've never just raised no hay never tried to raise no hay but I'll tell you one thing there's folks I know of around here raise hay {NW} uh you can't raise anything else if you want to grow it yourself. Anything anything {X} Interviewer: Yeah. What about land that's just too sorry to do anything else with but say maybe raise clover? 748: What'd you say? Interviewer: Clover or something like that. Something for to graze. 748: Well clover I never seen no clover except some wild I don't know anything about clover. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: I don't know nothing about it. Interviewer: Have you got any low-lying grassland? 748: Well the some of it get round yeah. Interviewer: That's a what? That's a? 748: We just call it mat grass or Interviewer: Mat? Oh. 748: Something like that you know. Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} What about a place now you mentioned a place down by the creek or something what about a place that might be just uh had water standing in it for a good while? Of the time. 748: Well we'd call that a oh sometimes we call it a slough sometimes we just call it a pond. Interviewer: Yes sir. What what if it had a lot of trees in it? 748: Well {NW} Interviewer: Would you would you see one that had a lot of trees in it? 748: Well uh I've seen some trees around here in ponds the majority of the ponds a certain type of tree grow in the pond but every type of tree you can grow in that pond. Interviewer: Yes sir. 748: You got to go outside. And uh {X} {NS} just come up. Interviewer: Now what is this over here? 748: You mean? Interviewer: Over here this kind of low place. 748: That's a low place we call I just call that the {D: branch bottom} is all I know. Interviewer: Yeah. Uh if you {NS} if you got a place uh a big place kind of maybe where that would grow or? Or a big you know would it would it be a big place you'd talk about with slough or? 748: Yes. I've seen 'em small and I've seen 'em uh large. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: I seen a slew of pond of water it stood right yonder where I would where we pay our gas bill. {NW} Okay I drive what? {NS} And there's trees and things growing down there. Half the water was still there year round till it all dried up. And I said I live to see a day she gonna clear that up and now I got all that down. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: But I've seen that done. Right between here and that way Right between here and that way right there it was right to go where there where we pay our gas bill. On the right. That's where that pond water'd be. Great big pond water stood out there year round. That's right. But some out of {NW} the these out and fill that up some and usually that's land. Some size water. Water pond. Interviewer: What do you think about that? 748: What do I think about that? Interviewer: What do you? Yeah about the land and everything. 748: Well uh tell you all I think. Uh about land. Uh. I'd have to go Tell you about my god a little bit now. When he created Earth he said let's and land and land come forward and he just make a shelter out of it. He'd come forth and heal some of it and heal some of it low place some of it high some of it mountain. Well uh and picturing that add the water but that's that's what water run off of those hills and off of those mountains the same back up. Interviewer: Yeah have you ever seen a place where the water'd fall a long way? 748: Yeah one uh once one time I you mean water way up falling off way up something? Interviewer: Yeah. 748: I did once I'll tell you what I I did see and I I had read of it and heard of it and heard of it and seen going to California once uh I went to a place you know and uh the water here {NW} you know. {NS} I'll tell you another thing I've seen. I'd heard there's irrigation where I poke the water in the dam. Interviewer: How do they do that? 748: Well I'll tell you that in a minute. When they had done that now. Interviewer: They dig? 748: They had um they tell me now they have all sort of little little little ditches all around in it. And uh and then they'd run the water in them ditches. {NS} You see. And that water would uh the water from that would water that land. {NS} Interviewer: Hmm. {NS} Ain't that something? 748: {NW} Funny to see see a place here I've seen place here that has has put in drain. {NS} Then went ahead uh air air get drained. Another thing out here this is dry. They look dry to me. Uh grass and its now it can be on. {NS} Now now now. Interviewer: Uh. Now did you ever seen them cut water kind of places to get water off the land? 748: Cut water to get water off #1 the land? # Interviewer: #2 Cut cut ditches to? # 748: Well that's right ditching you know. #1 Cut # Interviewer: #2 Get water. # 748: Cut ditches and you open them. Interviewer: To get water off the land? 748: Get water off of land and on and make it and it cut them ditches and all {NS} now I have a {NS} you have to have a {NS} a kind of a surveyor or some of them will come from Sumner. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: They didn't know just exactly how low to cut it. Interviewer: You'd say you're doing what you're? 748: Well you you're surveying. Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 748: #2 {X} # Another word you'd when you pick the ditches up you just you just run this eye hole I know but anyhow. Interviewer: That ditch is for? 748: When you cut that water to drain that land in other words to keep it w-where you want it. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Ditch it around this place. #1 And they'll go up down and yonder. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Yeah it's for draining? 748: Uh draining you know. That's what its all it could be. Drain. But I've got some ditches I got one or two ditches right up there where I ditch it all out of my garden it just about filled up now I ain't been able to keep it cleaned out. Interviewer: Now when you're getting all the trees and the brush {C: pronunciation} brush and the shrubs off of your land. You had to do that? This land here you did you have to? 748: I had to clear it off. You have to clear this land up and you come in and cut the bushes cut the trees everything. {NS} Pile 'em up and bundle 'em. And they've done that. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Why then I went in there with my mule and I cut 'em cold on an old cloth cut 'em colder and {NW} what we call a new-ground shelf. Without none of that break them loose up break them loose. You know break 'em pull them got your have your collars fixed right. And if that colder stuff uh look too big for it to cut it it'd jump over it. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And just keep her rolling. Interviewer: Yeah. Have you ever been down to the sea? 748: Well yes I have I started to say I haven't but I have because uh cause when I was in California. Yeah that place was Interviewer: Yeah. You you ever been down to the below here to the? Something of Mexico? 748: And no its I ain't been to Mexico the Gulf of Mexico. I been through Mexico but I ain't seen no seawater there. But uh Interviewer: #1 You've been through Mexico? # 748: #2 Where # whatever that whatever that ocean is now when you go to California when I went there and uh and and like Seattle Washington. Or I've seen that. I don't know. Interviewer: You've been to Seattle? 748: Sure I've been to Seattle. Been there four times. Interviewer: Gosh I'd like to see that I've never been there. 748: I've been there four times. I got I got a girl there. I've been there to visit. Been there been lay it down without thinking about it four years ago. Interviewer: Where else you been? 748: What's that? Interviewer: Where else you been? 748: Well I'll tell you I've been to I've been to Seattle Washington I've been to Detroit Michigan. And I've been to San Francisco. And I've been of course you get to San Fransisco and all around the Berkeley and Oakland all around all of them places. Interviewer: You been east? 748: I've been to Texas. I've been in Louisiana. A piece {X} uh not too far in Louisiana but I've been in Louisiana and that's as many states as I know of any. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Of course I I got a sister who's been buried in Lou- this sister lost be buried in Louisiana today. {NS} And uh I've got a sister a daughter living in Detroit Michigan. And I got a daughter living in San Francisco. And Seattle. I have three daughters living at Oakland. {NW} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Um do you you ever been east of here? 748: Well all I is is Texas east? If Texas is east I've been to Texas and that's as far as I've been. I don't know. Interviewer: Where you been to Louisiana? 748: Well I forgot where's I been in Louisiana I've been to to Zwolle I've been to Jonesboro I've been to I've been to Mansfield. Interviewer: What's the capital of Louisiana? 748: New Orleans. Interviewer: Bat- uh and then there's Bat-? 748: I reckon its New Orleans I reckon. Interviewer: Yeah? And then there's that town called Baton? 748: No Baton Rouge never been to Baton Rouge. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Well yeah now listen there's a place down there there's a veteran's hospital and you see well there. {D: I went I had a blood there.} All down in Baton Rouge is where the we went out of the way and I moved down somewhere. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: But I can't think now this which state uh which part of Lou- of which town that was. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 748: #2 {D: Because all that} # {D: and a horse was easier than a} veteran's hospital. Interviewer: Now mr B-T the the the the the states to the east of here are what? Do you know any of 'em? 748: Well states to the east of here. Interviewer: Yeah? Jackson? Is in? 748: Well {NW} I don't know that much about Georgia I'll just tell you all that now. I know I know Louisiana one w- one way. And uh. Interviewer: What's that big river? Over there? {NS} 748: Where? You mean what river? Interviewer: The big river that's on the border that's got? 748: Uh. Well you know there's the Washita river right there. Interviewer: Well the Washita runs into the? 748: Oh I thought we were going to the {D: Lee} river there. And now that there {D: Lee} river run into the ocean I guess. Interviewer: Yeah. You know that big river that comes down the middle of the country? Boats go up and down it and it goes through New Orleans? 748: Well uh I think for one they they brought me down here at this Washita river. Interviewer: Yeah? The Missi-? 748: It it could be called it got dams on it they they they used to be in it {X} floating down here. But I don't know now I know 'em but I know there's no way. Interviewer: Yeah? Okay. 748: {X} Interviewer: Do you know where Jackson is? Jackson Mississi-? 748: I just heard of it I never been there. Interviewer: Yeah? You ever heard of Mississippi? 748: That's right. I've heard of Mississippi. I guess I always assumed Mississippi was going to some of these some of these places I went but you know I couldn't think about it right now. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 748: #2 If you know what I mean. # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Interviewer: Now on the Mississippi what's that big town up the river? Up in Tenne- in uh you ever been to Tennessee? 748: No sir never been to Tennessee. Interviewer: Never been where? 748: No sir never been to Tennessee. Never been. Interviewer: To? 748: Tennessee. Interviewer: Okay. You heard of that that town on the river there? Memph-? 748: I've heard of Memphis Tennessee and that's all I've heard of there in Tennessee. Interviewer: #1 Chatta-? # 748: #2 I don't believe I have no real but I don't know about that. # Interviewer: You ever heard of Chatta-? Chattan-? 748: Chattanooga? Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 748: #2 You know Chattanooga Tennessee? Yeah # I've heard of that. Interviewer: And where do they play that good old music? Up in? Nash-? That good ol''? Nash-? 748: Well um Interviewer: Nashville? 748: I've heard so much music and I heard it in a terribly different place and I just couldn't couldn't think right now just where its at. Now I need to be saying yeah cause I want to. {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 748: But I've heard those TV things like that good music in 'em. Interviewer: You know that state that ol' George Wallace is governor of? Was? What's that? 748: George Washington? Interviewer: Yeah where they banned where they banned trying to ban black people from going to college? Back in the sixties? 748: Let me see. George Washington. Interviewer: George Wallace. 748: Oh George Waller? Interviewer: Wallace. You know who he was? 748: No. Interviewer: Okay. Now my state is? Do you know where Richmond is? Richmond Vir-? 748: I've not heard of Richmond but I have #1 {D: seen it is in Virginia.} # Interviewer: #2 Virginia? # 748: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Okay and and then there's North and South? 748: Carolina. Interviewer: Huh? 748: North and South Carolina you're talking about? Interviewer: Yeah there's South Carolina and? 748: North Carolina. Cause my daddy was born in North Carolina. Interviewer: Was he? 748: Yeah that's where he come from North Carolina. {NS} Interviewer: I'd been meaning to get that down I didn't {NS} I don't know whether I got that or not. Your daddy was born in North Carolina? 748: What's that? Interviewer: Your daddy was born in North Carolina? 748: My daddy was born in North Carolina. And raised that's where he was raised. Interviewer: When did he come here? 748: He come here in around in Arkansas about nineteen hund- I mean about eighteen hundred and ninety. Interviewer: So he was? 748: To Arkansas. Interviewer: How old were you when he came here? 748: Well how old he were Because to be honest with you I couldn't tell you all I know he just a grown man. {NS} Interviewer: Okay. And your mother? 748: My mother she was born in North Carolina. Interviewer: You ever been back where they were born? 748: No sir I never have. Interviewer: So you're at where your relatives came from? 748: Say what? Interviewer: You ever wa- didn't you watch Roots on TV? 748: Well if I have I haven't you know I can't keep up with it. Interviewer: Yeah. Now did your father get any education? 748: No. Interviewer: Could he read and write? What about your mother? 748: She couldn't either. Interviewer: Um what did your father do? 748: Well biggest thing I know is it would be a farmer. One short while I know that he worked as a soldier. Interviewer: Yeah? And your mother? 748: She was too. She was a farmer too. Interviewer: Sharecrop? 748: That yeah. Interviewer: Did your father sharecrop here? 748: That's right. Interviewer: When he was able. 748: That's right. {NS} Interviewer: {D: But you had to work a lot yourself.} 748: That's right. Interviewer: Do you remember your grandparents on your mother's side? 748: No I don't remember them cause to tell you the truth I never seen none of 'em. Interviewer: #1 Do you remember? # 748: #2 Of course I never seen I never tell you what # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # I ain't never seen of my folks I never seen 'em but my brothers and my sisters. And and mother and father of course I can't remember my mother uh too well. Because in when they collapsed slavery the family split up. See? And some went one way and some went another I had one uncle they tell me went to Mississippi. I got a brother who said he went to see him. I never get to see him. I had one cousin when when my when my daddy come from North Carolina to here one cousin come to me and she went to Pine Bluff but I never get to see her. Never get to see her. So I never seen a cousin I never seen an uncle or my aunt. {X} But I was born here you see after my daddy come here from North Carolina to where I'm born. Interviewer: Gotcha. Do you and you don't remember your grandparents? 748: No I couldn't remember 'em cause I never seen 'em. Interviewer: Did your father ever tell you about 'em? 748: I've heard him tell about 'em I've heard him talk about his grandparents and all like that but that's the only way he talks about 'em just tell about 'em. In slavery though. Interviewer: They were slaves? 748: Yeah they were slaves. That's right. {NS} Yeah they were slaves. Interviewer: Where in North Carolina? 748: North Carolina. Interviewer: Uh that was your grandfather and grandmother? 748: #1 Yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 Now # your grandparents? On both sides? 748: On both sides. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Slaves. In North Carolina. {NS} Interviewer: Can you {C: Clock chiming in background.} {NW} Can you tell me a little about how you met your wife and? {C: Clock still chiming.} 748: Tell you what? Interviewer: How you met your wife? 748: Missed my wife? Interviewer: How you met her. 748: You mean I miss my wife? Interviewer: Met her. How you met her your her when did you when did you first meet her? 748: Oh my wife? #1 Oh now. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 748: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 748: Well I first met {NW} met my wife around oh say around my eighteen bout on nineteen hundred and maybe seven or something like that we went to school together that's where I first met her. We went to school together and we grew up here in this settlement together. You see? And got grown both of us got grown and we married {D: in nineteen eighty-seven.} I married about a woman {X} that's why I married her. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: And she passed right here in this she we lived here at this place when uh when she passed. Interviewer: Yes sir. How old was she? 748: Why my wife I'll tell you #1 how old. # Interviewer: #2 She died # in sixty-one? 748: Well I'll tell you how old she she'd have been now. If she'd have been living she'd've been six uh she'd have been eighty two years old. And she was about twenty she was about twenty twenty-three when we married. Interviewer: Yeah? Was she Baptist? 748: Yeah. Interviewer: Did she get any education? In other words could she? 748: Well she got through the grammar school. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: Through grammar school. Interviewer: #1 Grammar school? # 748: #2 {D: Eight out of eight grades.} # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # And she got through grammar. Interviewer: Yeah. 748: That far as she got. Interviewer: Were her folks born and raised here? Do you know can you tell me about her folks? 748: Yeah her her mama and papa were born here. Wait now. Her her mama {X} yeah her mother and father yeah born here. That's right. In Union County. Interviewer: Yeah? Were they farmers? 748: They was farmers that's right. Interviewer: Did you know her grandparents? 748: Yes I knew her grandparents that's right. Interviewer: Were they born here? 748: Well they was born right here in Union County. {NW} Her grandparents on mother's side was old was old {B} and Angeline. {B} Interviewer: Really? 748: And um father's side now let me see Emily wait let me see {B} Emilynn {B} I believe was her name. Emilynn {B} And I forget what her grandfather her normal father's surname. Interviewer: Yeah? And they were probably old enough to that they were slaves when they were younger. 748: Well that's what they were yeah yeah they were slaves. Interviewer: Yeah? That's amazing. If you go back a long ways. 748: That's your life. Yes sir. Yes I've seen a whole lot go and come. It's been eighty-four years since I've been here. Interviewer: Yes sir. Remember a lot. 748: That's right. Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} What were the roads like here when you were younger #1 can you remember? # 748: #2 What's that? # Interviewer: The roads? 748: The road? You mean like that road up? Well that is called a Smack over Road. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 748: That's what he'd called Smack over. Called that they didn't have numbers like they've got now. There was nothing that's how we set them now. Back there there's Smack over road. You know just back on {D: Elway} and Smack over road let me tell you. {NW} {D: Elway} and Smack over road. Interviewer: #1 And its? # 748: #2 One day # {X} Interviewer: It was what? It was? 748: Well just a day job. day to go. From {D: Elway} {D: to Smackover.} For what I can remember when we didn't have no forty foot deep dumps and things like now I can remember when we folks used to have to give so many days free work on the roads every year a grown man. And uh I've cut pole to put on these wet and boggy places I've cut pole in the woods never cross lay it cross lay I just need to get over. And I've cut 'em and I have hauled 'em {NS} I've I've helped to lay 'em down see? Free labor. So many days. One time I remember one time when I first got doing it about ten days you had to wait then they cut 'em down see? So many of them. Until they finally cut their free load working out you know? That's right. Finally cut it out. Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} The uh you'd say if you if there was a log in the road you'd #1 say? # 748: #2 Well if there's a # log in the road you'd just have to you gotta saw saw it out and then you gotta {NW} then that was all you'd take a axe and cut it out. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 748: #2 I've seen people # cut big old logs with axes that high. Interviewer: What about a place where um a place where where a water can come across the road uh maybe if there'd been a heavy rainfall and the rain has cut out a channel across a road or a field? You'd call that a? 748: A ditch? Interviewer: Okay. Uh or a you ever seen any place that would be cut out in the woods maybe a deep place? 748: A gully? Interviewer: A gully? 748: Mm gully. Interviewer: Okay. And uh what about just a little place in the road would be a? 748: Well I'd just call that a little drain. Interviewer: Yeah? Or a? 748: There's no place though I know. Interviewer: Yeah? A wash? 748: Wash yeah a wash. Interviewer: What's a what's a hollow? You ever heard of a hollow somewhere? #1 Hollow place? # 748: #2 What? # Interviewer: #1 # 748: #2 # Well uh we just had certain places around that we'd call hollow you know like in the woods or something like that all I know. I know I know trees called hollow trees. Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah. Huh. 748: So we got some hollow trees around here now. Interviewer: Yeah? Now um to open a door you use a? A door? 748: Doorknob. Interviewer: Yeah? Have you ever heard of a little rise in a piece of land? Uh called that? A knob? 748: A lit- in the land? Interviewer: Yeah. 748: Well we'd call that a a hill. Interviewer: A hill? Something something not quite just a little rise in the land anything else you'd call it? 748: {NW} Well I I don't what I would answer that right #1 now # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 748: Let me think. Interviewer: You said you'd been up in the mountains? Have you ever #1 have you ever seen? # 748: #2 I've seen # I I went along the road in the mountains. Interviewer: Yeah. {NW} mr {B} you ever seen a place in the mountains that would a rocky side of a place 748: Oh my. Interviewer: it would drop off sharp? 748: Yes sir. I said I've seen that going on the road. Interviewer: Yeah? 748: The big mountains my goodness alive.