853:  door. Now I sold this land like from
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  From from up here out a ways, three hours is up
Interviewer:  But this is probably the next to oldest
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  house in the county
853:  Between here and town
Interviewer:  That's a long way
853:  All the houses that were down there when we moved down here had been torn down
Interviewer:  Huh. And this is the oldest one left just about
853:  Just about it. Ah {X}
Interviewer:  Let's see here. Um. Oh what do you call those kind of nuts that you pluck out of the ground and roast?
853:  Peanuts
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  Jimmy Carter's {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah right,um, what are the kind of nuts do they grow around here?
853:  I guess it, well, uh English walnuts. Now they'll grow some.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
853:  They won't ever have a big crop. But um. There used to be some up on, on up past here a little ways, a tree of English Walnuts.
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  And then they have what they call a wi- a wild walnuts And they're hard as rock, but they're the best things to eat you ever saw
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  have to take a hammer to break 'em.
Interviewer:  Oh I've seen those things, yes, they are good. might may never get into them But they're good. What other kind of nuts?
853:  I guess that might be all. Peanuts and walnuts and Oh I don't know that's all
Interviewer:  What's the, what's the state tree?
853:  The what?
Interviewer:  The state tree.
853:  Tree?
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  Uh hackberry.
Interviewer:  Okay, um, let's see. Oh walnut, um, when it falls to the ground you know, you've got um The outer cover that's kind of green and soft and then the inside's a hard, hard thing
853:  #1 Right #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Well uh, what do you call the outside green thing?
853:  Shell, a hull.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  The hull comes off and leaves the walnut. But it's still you have to hull it You know? To get to the kernel.
Interviewer:  Is there a difference between the shell and the hull?
853:  Yeah. The inside is the shell and the outside would be the hull.
Interviewer:  Oh oh oh I see. When you get a Hershey bar out of the candy machine or something You can get it plain or you can get one that has
853:  Peanuts in it
Interviewer:  Okay or there's, it could come with other kinds of nuts in it; what other kinds of nuts could?
853:  Uh. Those big old nuts Well uh. Butternuts.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm okay. Okay. Any other kinds of nuts that you can think of?
853:  No.
Interviewer:  What kind of nuts do they use in pralines?
853:  In what?
Interviewer:  What kind of nuts do they use in pralines?
853:  Well you can use English walnuts or pecans Usually pecans.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Because they're more {NW} Well, they're easier handled and they're easier to get. You can get them, you know you can get pecans nearly year round.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  That have them left over
Interviewer:  What do you call that kind of fruit, about this big
853:  Grapefruit
Interviewer:  Ah a little smaller
853:  Orange
Interviewer:  Okay. And say you have a bowl of those sitting in there and everyday one or two disappear and you know finally some morning you walk in and you say well my goodness the oranges are
853:  All gone
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} Let's see what else {NW} Did you ever hear anybody speak of heads of children? I've got five heads of children?
853:  Five what?
Interviewer:  Heads
853:  Five heads of children?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh anybody say that? No? If you've got seven boys and seven girls you'd say you have a whole what of kids?
853:  A whole herd of kids
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} And what do you call that green, those green things on the outside of an ear of corn? {X}
853:  From the outside of what?
Interviewer:  An ear of corn
853:  Oh shuck
Interviewer:  Okay and when you take those off you say you're gonna do what to the corn?
853:  I'm gonna shuck it.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh, what do you call that thing that comes out the top of the
853:  Tassel. {C: pronounced tussle}
Interviewer:  Okay and
853:  Or tassel
Interviewer:  Which do you say?
853:  It's either one
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  So the dictionary says
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Either one, or either one is correct
Interviewer:  yeah And what do you call that stuff, that stringy stuff, in the corn ear?
853:  {X} Silk
Interviewer:  Okay, um, the kind of corn that's just tender enough to eat right off the cob is
853:  It's, it's ready to eat, it's
Interviewer:  Okay what do you call that type of corn?
853:  Tender
Interviewer:  Okay, um, what other, what other kinds of corn is there?
853:  Well there's sweet corn and then there's just field corn
Interviewer:  Yeah? What's the difference?
853:  Field corn?
Interviewer:  Between the two. What's the difference between the two?
853:  Well, uh, sweet corn is a little teensy grain
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  And that's all it's good for. Is to eat.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Human being consumption.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And the other is to be dried and fed to horses and mules and even cows you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And but you, while it's good and tender, well you can cut it off of the cob or cook it on the cob and eat it And that's the regular old field corn. And I like it better.
Interviewer:  Do you really?
853:  Oh yes.
Interviewer:  How come?
853:  Well it's uh, it has a better flavor
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  And the other, is just sweet.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah. What do you call that thing that you make a Jack-o-Lantern out of?
853:  Pumpkin
Interviewer:  Okay, and what do you call that small, yellow crook neck kind of thing?
853:  Squash
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. Excuse me, is there any name for it when you let it dry?
853:  No, it'll just, it'll finally rot, it won't {NW} Now a pumpkin will get last forever, nearly you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  long time
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  If you let it mature on the vine
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  To begin with
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  But squash, uh, after a few days, it'll, it'll die. It'll begin to mater- deteriorate.
Interviewer:  Oh okay
853:  Rot
Interviewer:  Um, what all kinds of melons did y'all use to raise?
853:  Well you have cantaloupes and muskmelon and I don't know the difference except one's a lot bigger than the other The muskmelon is a big one
Interviewer:  Oh mm-hmm.
853:  And the cantaloupe, you know, they get pretty good size but they don't, the other are oblong you know? Kind of like shaped more like a watermelon.
Interviewer:  I see
853:  Only they're smaller, you know. And then they have regular, little old cantaloupes
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And they're usually round
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And, you know
Interviewer:  I love cantaloupes
853:  I do too. I don't know of anything I like better, uh, than to scramble an egg and make a good piece of buttered toast and a slice of cantaloupe for my breakfast. Bacon to go with it. I really love it
Interviewer:  Are there different kinds of watermelon?
853:  Oh yes. I don't know exactly what kind, but there's, uh, a lot of them.
Interviewer:  Um, what do you call those little things that little things, little white things shaped like an umbrella and they come up in the grass
853:  Toadstool.
Interviewer:  Can you eat those?
853:  Well certain kinds.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah
853:  I'd like to show you one that petrified in my yard
Interviewer:  It petrified in your yard?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  It petrified in your yard?
853:  Petrified I didn't do a thing to it.
Interviewer:  That's amazing.
853:  Isn't it?
Interviewer:  That is amazing.It did petrify.
853:  It turned that color, you see? That's where it was growing into the ground. Looks like an ear, doesn't it?
Interviewer:  It does Very brown ear. Well that's a strange thing I ever saw
853:  Uh huh. And and the Mexican woman that found it, uh, she was cleaning out around the bush out there She brought it to me and I kept it and she came back in a little bit and I had sawed off a limb About that big around, about that long, had a little limb sticking out here And right in between this limb was one twice that big growing.
Interviewer:  {X}
853:  Just like it
Interviewer:  This is strange.
853:  sure would like to of had it, but she said ah ms {B} I'm going to keep it.
Interviewer:  Uh huh. uh huh. Strange. Oh. What do you call those things that are like that but that you buy at the grocery store to eat?
853:  They're mushrooms.
Interviewer:  Okay, um, you might say that man has a sore throat And the inside of his throat's all swollen and he can chew that piece of meat but he couldn't
853:  Swallow it.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. What all kinds of things did people smoke?
853:  Oh I guess mostly Marijuana. {NW} #1 Tobacco #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Yeah I guess so
853:  {NW} Tobacco and
Interviewer:  Well that you put okay um, what are those things that really smell bad? They have in restaurants?
853:  Cigars.
Interviewer:  Okay and you can have a cigar or little white ones, short white things that are what? That people smoke
853:  In pipe.
Interviewer:  Okay, and cigars; in pipes and
853:  Cigarettes
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  ha! Do do you do you smoke?
Interviewer:  No I don't. I can't stand it.
853:  I'm I'm glad. I can't either
Interviewer:  Me either. If my, if my husband smoked I'd throw him out of the house
853:  He doesn't smoke either?
Interviewer:  No he doesn't
853:  Oh mine never did either. But uh I could smoke
Interviewer:  You could... Did you try it?
853:  Never, yes, never made me sick. The only way I've tried it, I didn't try it just to be doing
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  But my dad was sick a long time and I was the only one in the family And you'd wonder why and that shows you that it came natural I was the only one that could roll a cigarette. They didn't have ready-made then I could roll him a tight cigarette and light it for him and he'd smoke it.
Interviewer:  Huh. Bet he liked that.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  My granddaddy used to sneak off cutting farms and smoke blackberry, grandma never did know he was doing it Or at least she, she acted like she didn't know, you know.
853:  But I won't tell you, they're scared to death I's gonna get to where I'd It's I'd smoke
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  {NW} I wasn't but ten or eleven years old, twelve and thirteen {X}
Interviewer:  Funny. Well it's a wonder you didn't get hooked on 'em
853:  It's a wonder I did get to where I could, would smoke. I, it never did make me sick.
Interviewer:  Oh, well that that's something. It's just a good thing you never need to do it again. {X} And if somebody offers to do you a favor, you might say, "Well I appreciate it, but I don't wanna be,"
853:  Obligated {NW}
Interviewer:  Really. Uh.
853:  But you know that's not good.
Interviewer:  Yeah, I, I know you should let people do things for you
853:  I've always been too independent. I'd say "No, now you do sit down, I'll do it"
Interviewer:  Uh You might say, there was a terrible accident up the road, but there was no need to call a doctor because the victim was already
853:  Dead
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. {NW} Speaking of the fact that the corn seems kind of short, you might say At this time of year it isn't, well you might say, it isn't as tall as it
853:  Should be.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  It's kind of stunned it
Interviewer:  Okay. I might say to you, I dare you to go through that graveyard at night but I'll bet you What? I dare you to go see that graveyard at night but I bet you'll
853:  Run. {NW}
Interviewer:  You might say to a child, "you aren't doing what you"
853:  Should do
Interviewer:  If a boy got a whipping you might say, "Oh I'll be he did something he"
853:  Knows better
Interviewer:  Okay, and uh... What do you call the kind of bird that can see in the dark?
853:  What can
Interviewer:  That can see in the dark. When they
853:  Owl
Interviewer:  Okay. What kind are there different kinds of owls?
853:  Hoot owl {NW} Yeah I think there is. There's, uh, different type of owls, but I don't know exactly what the names are
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  I I read about them and I've seen them in pictures. But I really don't know.
Interviewer:  What do you call the kind of bird that drills holes in trees? What do you call the kind of bird that drills holes in trees?
853:  I don't know
Interviewer:  What do you call that kind of black and white animal that has a real powerful smell?
853:  Polecat {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh. What do you call those little bushy tailed animals that run up and down in the trees?
853:  Squirrel
Interviewer:  And are there different kinds of squirrels?
853:  Yeah there's, uh, in different localities, uh, out in Arizona, they have the little bitty ones
Interviewer:  What do they look like?
853:  And they look just like the others, only tiny They're real pretty and they're not afraid of nobody.
Interviewer:  Really
853:  They come up and eat out of your hand, and then they have a bigger squirrel I don't know what, I don't know what you'd say on it, it's, they're different species
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  I guess.
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen a kinda, well he looks sort of like a squirrel but I think he's smaller and he has black and white stripes down his back, like three little black and white stripes.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  What do you call those?
853:  I think they're the ground squirrel.
Interviewer:  Uh huh, okay. Uh. What all kinds of fish can you catch around here? Course I know you can't have tasted any, but
853:  {NW} There's cat and there's, uh, uh, Perch and there's, uh, Bass And well I don't know, there's several kinds
Interviewer:  Um. What kind of seafood can you get around here?
853:  That's, you mean at restaurants?
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Uh-huh. I I you can get oysters and fish and, uh, most any kind that you can get anywhere else
Interviewer:  What do you call those things that you, that are kind of pinkish-white and they're curled in the little circle like that and you have them on, um, lettuce
853:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # nice, a little cocktail sauce.
853:  Yeah I know what you're talking about, but I don't
Interviewer:  #1 You'll think of it, uh #
853:  #2 can't say it # Shrimp
Interviewer:  Okay. If you wanted to buy some of that you might go to the store and say, "I'd like three pounds of"
853:  Shrimp.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. What do you call those things that sit around the pond at night and make a bunch of noise?
853:  Frogs. {NW}
Interviewer:  Are there different kinds of frogs?
853:  Yeah there's a bullfrog, and then there's a toad frog and horned toad
Interviewer:  What's the difference in all those things?
853:  Well a bullfrog's a great big one and you eat him.
Interviewer:  Oh you do?
853:  Didn't you never eat a bullfrog leg? I never either. But you, oh, they're just like chicken.
Interviewer:  I have heard that {X}
853:  Bullfrog you eat. And a toad, he just hops around and catches flies.
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
853:  And a horned toad is, uh, he's got horns up here and he's a little bitty old shrimp with a tail about that long
Interviewer:  About an inch long?
853:  Did you ever see one?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah we had, we had those up in my hometown {X}
853:  Right in Wichita Falls
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  And I'll tell you what you can do. And it will amaze you to death and it's cruel, I would never try it. But I have done it. Uh.
Interviewer:  Pull their tails off.
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Pull their tails off?
853:  No
Interviewer:  What?
853:  Light a cigarette and put it in their mouth and they'll smoke themselves to death.
Interviewer:  {NW} That's terrible! {NW}
853:  Just puff it, and they'll get up on their hind feet you know? And they'll just wiggle And they'll dance a jig.
Interviewer:  That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. That's terrible, but I sure would like to see it
853:  And one got under our house one time and my daddy made me flatten on my stomach and go under and get him He'd set the house on fire he said. I got, he got away from me. {NW}
Interviewer:  He must've got, he must've got away though, because he didn't set your house on fire did he? You ever, you ever turn them over and stroke their tummy and watch them go to sleep?
853:  Yeah {NW} I've done everything that, cause I didn't have any girls to play with and I played with my brothers Especially one that was just thirteen months older than me.
Interviewer:  Oh wow, yeah.
853:  And we and we looked like twins. Everybody thought we were.
Interviewer:  Huh. {NW} What do you, what do you put on your hook when you go fishing?
853:  Uh, worms
Interviewer:  What kind of worms?
853:  Oh, uh, worms that grows in the ground, lives in the ground
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Earthworms. And uh, you know, you can buy minnows, little minnows, and put on there For fish bait. {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call that hard shell thing that pulls
853:  Turtle {NW} I've got one that stayed in my, out in my car port
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  And I'll go out there, and you know, he won't really take his own head in And he'll turn to one side and look at me And I say, you know one of these days you're gonna get in my way and I'm gonna run over you when I come in here And then you'll be a goner
Interviewer:  That's right.
853:  Won't be my fault. And he'll look at me and first thing, you know, he'll turn his head {X} {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
853:  #2 I'll bet he knows what I'm talking about. #
Interviewer:  He might, he might. What do you call that thing that's like a turtle, but they just live on dry land, they don't ever go in the water
853:  Terrapin
Interviewer:  Uh. What do you call those little things that you can find in the creek? Or in a, well wherever there's water and they they've got little pinchers on the end like, like a lobster, look like a
853:  {X}
Interviewer:  little lobster
853:  Uh. Not a terrapin, but the uh. I know what
Interviewer:  Kind of an ugly white color. We used to get a piece of bacon, you know and and put it on the street
853:  Sure and catch them.
Interviewer:  And catch those. They pinch though
853:  Crawdads.
Interviewer:  That's what we always called them too.
853:  Isn't that funny? You forget
Interviewer:  Well if you just haven't seen a crawdad in the last couple of days it's not something you spend a lot of time thinking about
853:  No telling when I've heard that word either.
Interviewer:  Uh. What do you call that thing that flies around a candle at night? And uh It'll eat uh holes in your wool clothes if you're not careful
853:  A moth
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh if you had if if you had one that's a moth and if you have two you say "oh look at those two"
853:  Moths. {NW} Plural
Interviewer:  Yeah. Those things that fly around at night and flash their lights off and on, what do you call those?
853:  Lightning bugs
Interviewer:  And, what do you call those long, thin-bodied things, and they have two sets of wings and they hover over water
853:  Uh.
Interviewer:  Thinking they're about that long, but their wings
853:  You're not talking about the grasshoppers of course, no.
Interviewer:  No these aren't grasshoppers
853:  I know what they are
Interviewer:  Big wings {X}
853:  it looked like a katydid or something
Interviewer:  Well not fat like a katydid they're um skinny, long skinny. Eat, eat other insects I think And they, they uh
853:  I don't know what you're talking about
Interviewer:  Some are blue, I've seen blue ones, the blue ones are the prettiest ones Well if you think it you stop me
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh What all kinds of flying, stinging insects are there besides wasps?
853:  Well there's yellow jackets
Interviewer:  Yep
853:  Wasps, and then there's, uh, uh, dirt daubers And they don't sting, but they'll bite They don't hurt. I mean you think you're stung
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  But they'll, they'll bite.
Interviewer:  Huh. I wonder if that's what I sat on one time.
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I said to my friend, "Will that bite?" and she said no, so I sat on it. And it bit.
853:  Oh Mercy
Interviewer:  It was bad news Um, what do you call those things that fly around at night and they bite and {X}
853:  Red bugs.
Interviewer:  Okay, now do these fly around or do they live in the grass or what?
853:  No no no, they don't fly around.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  They're just little insects.
Interviewer:  What do you, what do you call those things that make a bite like red bug bites?
853:  Mosquitos
Interviewer:  Okay, uh What do you call those things that they'll gather up in the corners of the, of the houses
853:  Cobwebs
Interviewer:  Okay, what do you call them if they're outside? Do you call them anything different?
853:  They're still cobwebs
Interviewer:  Uh, if you have to pull up a tree stump, you have to dig around it and and cut the The whats?
853:  roots
Interviewer:  Okay, uh. When you're talking about Maple trees, you know, that that they get the the syrup from? What would you call a big bunch of those trees?
853:  Moat.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh
853:  Is that what it says?
Interviewer:  {X}
853:  Yeah, any clump of trees would be called a moat
Interviewer:  Okay. What kind of trees are there around here? What, what are some common trees that grow around here?
853:  Say what?
Interviewer:  What are some common trees that grow around here?
853:  Hackberry.
Interviewer:  Uh huh. Anything else?
853:  Well and uh and uh, uh the elm {NS}
Interviewer:  What else?
853:  Pecan
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Nearly anywhere one will grow there the
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Either one of the three.
Interviewer:  What do you call that kind of tree that has kind of scaly bark and it's always coming off And they have these little balls
853:  Yeah uh
Interviewer:  {X} Make a big mess in your yard.
853:  Uh Got, has broad leaves.
Interviewer:  Yeah kinda like that
853:  I've got one
Interviewer:  Cottonwood leaves
853:  Yeah cottonwood, you know. But it's a Sycamore.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  I had one up, beautiful, right out there by the drive, and it died this year never did come out Great big. That big around
Interviewer:  Well maybe it just got too old, I don't know how long they live.
853:  I don't, I don't know. I don't know what made it die.
Interviewer:  You know uh, we have one in our front yard and a bunch of bugs attacked it And it it all turned yellow, well reddish-brown and just ruined looked awful We finally sprayed it and it has a few green leaves left.
853:  But now next year it'll be dead.
Interviewer:  Really? Think it will?
853:  That's the way mine was last year And this year it didn't come out at all.
Interviewer:  I didn't know if it would come out or not.
853:  I doubt it.
Interviewer:  Well, there's too many, when they planted these trees they didn't think, they didn't ever think about them growing up
853:  Uh huh
Interviewer:  And there's too many trees in the front yard anyways so
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  But still I hate the thought of having had it cut down
853:  Is it where you live or your home place?
Interviewer:  It it's where I live now.
853:  Uh huh mm-hmm. How long have you been there?
Interviewer:  Eight years
853:  My goodness
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  All your life nearly.
Interviewer:  Yeah. As long as I can remember. {NW} Eight years July the fifth Last July
853:  Mm-hmm that's good.
Interviewer:  Uh, what was that kind of tree that George Washington cut down?
853:  Cherry tree
Interviewer:  Okay and uh
853:  I can't tell a lie
Interviewer:  That's right What do you call those kind of bushes that uh they grow out along a fenced road you know and they uh, they have these brown berries on them, grow in a big thing like this and um People I think use to take those berries and make tea, steep them and make tea out of them What kind of bushes? The the the leaves turn bright red in the fall. Real pretty, bright red
853:  {NW} I don't know
Interviewer:  Um, what kind of vines and bushes will make your your your legs break out if you
853:  Bull nettles and stinging nettles
Interviewer:  Okay, and what's the difference between bull nettles and stinging nettles?
853:  Well, there's a stinging nettle and it, it doesn't have any uh Balls on it, you know?
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  But the bull nettle has a, you can get the seeds off there and eat them, they're good. Good eating
Interviewer:  How can you get to them?
853:  Good as any kind of, well you take them off, you get a we used to get two sticks and pull them off and put them in the ground and take your foot or a A stick and rub them until all of those stickers was off of them
Interviewer:  Uh-huh uh-huh
853:  And then you open them up, you know and there, that's seeds inside.
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  They're really good.
Interviewer:  Well then I'll have to try it, I've seen those all my life, I didn't know you could eat any part of it.
853:  #1 Oh yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
853:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 I just stay away from them #
853:  They're real good. They're as good as peanuts or anything else.
Interviewer:  Huh. What do you call, uh, it's a kind of vine that'll make your legs break out if you brush up against it It's the kind that grows up a tree
853:  Yeah, a poison ivy
Interviewer:  Okay, y'all have any of that out here?
853:  We did have, and we cut it all down and kept cutting it down till we got rid of it
Interviewer:  Yeah. What is it that smells good out here in in on your driveway? I smelled it this morning and I smelled it again this afternoon, it's some bush or tree out there It smells kind of spicy
853:  I don't know. Oh it is a spice tree
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Which one is it?
853:  It's, uh, right here beside the house and that, I got them all around, everywhere.
Interviewer:  Oh. Well that's what smells so good
853:  And, uh, see that big tree right there at the window?
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Uh, and, you know when, used to I don't anymore But then I sold cakes when we had the farm market Well I'd get those leaves and I'd wash them And, uh, I'd put them in the, after I'd greased my loaf pan I'd put them in around in the bottom of that pan and pour my batter in there and they'd taste like spices. Spices. It's called spice bushes. But it's a Vitek is, uh, you know botanical name
Interviewer:  Vitek
853:  Vitek.
Interviewer:  I'm gonna write that down because I'm gonna see if I can find me one to put in my backyard. I really like the way that smells V-I-T-E-C?
853:  V-I-T-E-C, uh-huh. Or V-I-T-E-K, vitek
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Uh, Out of everybody in the community, I I went down to way down to Robinson, about ten or twelve miles out from town.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And dug up Some little sprouts and I planted two
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  And I've got them in every direction and I have a white one out there Now these have, they bloom all summer.
Interviewer:  Oh
853:  Just beautiful purple blooms
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Long blooms.
Interviewer:  I'll have to take a good look at that when I go out there because it
853:  And then I have one out there I'm not sure that it didn't die. I've got it up out there
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Uh, it's white. But you can get a white and a purple and a red
Interviewer:  Is it
853:  They're just beautiful and they grow fast.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. It's not anything like a Wisteria is it?
853:  It's what?
Interviewer:  It's not anything like a Wisteria is it?
853:  No no no no no.
Interviewer:  Well I'll have to look at that
853:  It just it just makes a great big tree
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. They smell good. Uh. {NS}
853:  But I've given limbs and they just stick the limb down and it grew
Interviewer:  Is that right?
853:  Anything that, any shrub that blooms or tree that blooms will root. It'll take root.
Interviewer:  Oh I see, I didn't know that #1 You just cut off #
853:  #2 I learned that at A&M # They're from the highway, uh, landscape artist.
Interviewer:  Yeah, yeah
853:  He told us, well and he lectured, you know those of us that were interested in landscaping
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
853:  And he told us anything in the world that bloomed, it mattered not how big it was A limb would root.
Interviewer:  Well I'm glad to hear that. I sure do hope.
853:  That's what he said
Interviewer:  Uh. {NW} What do you call those kind of berries, some of them are red and but they look like a diddleberry Kind of lumpy, you know, but some of them are red and some of them are black
853:  Strawberry?
Interviewer:  Um, well it, You know how a blueberry, I mean a
853:  {D: No, but}
Interviewer:  A blueberry looks kind of lumpy
853:  Right
Interviewer:  You know?
853:  But a strawberry is, is red.
Interviewer:  Yeah, well there's a lumpier kind though. That's it looks more like blueberry but it's red. {NW}
853:  Well there's a blackberry and a dewberry
Interviewer:  Yeah, uh-huh.
853:  And then I don't know, that's about all that I.
Interviewer:  Okay. What, um, have you ever heard of a of a bush that, a tall bush that has clusters of pink and white flowers that bloom in the spring? I don't know anymore about it than that uh. I think it has longer stem segments when it grows up in the mountains but
853:  I guess it's, uh,
Interviewer:  That's about all I know
853:  Yeah I know. Over in East Texas they have them. All along the highways
Interviewer:  Um, what do you call a large, flowering tree that has those big white blossoms; they They smell real good and the thing sheds leaves all year.
853:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # mess in your yard
853:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Brownish leaves you know? But it's real pretty.
853:  Well I {X} said I had one and it died, small and then, and my sister's got to have two in her yard, uh Hmm Isn't that something?
Interviewer:  Well I'll tell you what {X}
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Law schools, a good thing to be in these days
853:  Right
Interviewer:  I I heard on the news this morning that uh Hear they're gonna allow lawyers to advertise now.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  And, uh,
853:  #1 Doctors #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Yeah, doctors. I heard on the news that law fees had gone down a whole lot already
853:  #1 Since that. Uh-huh. I did too. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # And I think that's great, Lord, it's high time.
853:  Right. {NW}
Interviewer:  Now, let's see here
853:  I'm not gonna say a word except what I'm supposed to {NW}
Interviewer:  Don't you dare.
853:  So that you can get through
Interviewer:  Uh, we might be able to get through this time. You knew your grandparents didn't you? Didn't you know them?
853:  I knew my Grandfather on my father's side and I knew my Grandmother on my mother's side
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What did you call them?
853:  Grandpa and Grandma.
Interviewer:  What do your grand, your grandchildren call you?
853:  Mammy. {NW} uh, my granddaughter, I just have one. We never knew why, we said grandmother to her. But she called me mammy. And then her son, my great grandson calls me mammy.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And when she started school, first day, why she says "now, I don't want you to call yourself mammy to me in front of the kids at school. They'd make fun of me and I'll call you ma'am
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  And she does today, she calls me every week, "ma'am, what are you doing?"
Interviewer:  {NW}
853:  {X}
Interviewer:  She thought that was a bit more dignified than
853:  Yes {NS}
Interviewer:  Um, what do you call that thing on wheels that you can put a baby in and the baby can lie down
853:  A stroller
Interviewer:  Okay and you say, you put the baby in that thing and you say you're gonna take the baby out for a
853:  Walk
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Or a stroll sometimes you, you know?
Interviewer:  Okay Uh. If a woman's about to have a baby, you say she is
853:  In labor
Interviewer:  Okay, or, say she's not gonna have it for another month, you'd say she's
853:  Pregnant
Interviewer:  Okay any other words for it that you could refer it to
853:  In family way
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} Anything else?
853:  No, I guess not.
Interviewer:  Uh, if you don't have a doctor to deliver the baby, the woman, you might say
853:  Midwife.
Interviewer:  Okay {NS} If a boy has the same color hair, the same color eyes, the same kind of nose as his father You say he what?
853:  He got his from his daddy.
Interviewer:  Okay okay. And say he acts like his daddy. He's got the same kind of mannerisms {X} He has the same what?
853:  His disposition. He has his daddy's disposition.
Interviewer:  Okay. And You might say that woman had a hard life her husband died and she what? Six children all by herself
853:  Raised them
Interviewer:  Okay. And um To a child who is misbehaved you'd say, "If you do that again I'm gonna give you a good..?"
853:  Spanking
Interviewer:  Okay and if they're two little boys and one of those little boys says to the other one "If you do that again I'm gonna give you a good..."
853:  Beating
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, what if they were big boys? Would they say the same thing?
853:  Yeah. Maybe, "I'll knock your head off" {NW}
Interviewer:  If a boy is five inches taller this year you would say he what? A lot?
853:  If he's what?
Interviewer:  Five inches taller this year.
853:  He's a lot taller
Interviewer:  Okay you'd say he what a lot last year?
853:  Grew a lot
Interviewer:  Okay And children, people come up to children and they say, "my how you've..."
853:  Have grown
Interviewer:  I used to hate it when people would say it to me.
853:  Yeah
Interviewer:  What do you say? If you're a child and someone says that to you what do you say? Because they they stand there and look at you waiting for you to reply But there's nothing to say
853:  No, not a, not a thing
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. You can't say, "well what'd you expect me to do?" that'd be rude.
853:  You probably would say, "Yeah I know it"
Interviewer:  Yeah. Big deal. {NW}
853:  Yeah {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh. A child born to an unmarried woman would be a..?
853:  To a what?
Interviewer:  To an unmarried woman.
853:  Oh, illegitimate.
Interviewer:  Okay, anything else you've heard them called?
853:  It's what?
Interviewer:  Anything else you have heard them called?
853:  No it's just born out of wedlock
Interviewer:  Okay, uh. You might say, "Jane is a loving child, but Peggy is even..."
853:  Better.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, uh, your brother's son would be your...?
853:  Nephew
Interviewer:  Okay. And a child who's lost both parents is a...?
853:  Orphan
Interviewer:  Okay. If it's been in an institution would you call it anything different?
853:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  If, would it be anything different if it's been in an institution?
853:  No. It'd still be an orphan.
Interviewer:  Uh, a person appointed to look after an orphan would be it's legal..?
853:  Guardian.
Interviewer:  Okay and If somebody asks you about somebody else's name is Terrel, you might say, yeah she has the same name And we really, we look a little bit alike but we're really no
853:  Relation.
Interviewer:  Okay. Someone who comes into town and nobody's ever seen them before you'd say he's a...
853:  Total stranger. {NW}
Interviewer:  If he comes from out of the country, what would you call him?
853:  He's a foreigner
Interviewer:  Okay, um. {B} Uh Name some girls names that start with an "M"
853:  "M"? Mary, Martha, Miriam.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Maggie
Interviewer:  Uh, a man's name that starts with an "M"? Uh, Matt would be short for...? What? That would be...
853:  Matthew
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh A girl's name that starts with an "N", it's a nickname for Helen I think
853:  Is that right?
Interviewer:  A girl's name that starts with an "N". What's a girl's name that starts with "N"?
853:  Nelly
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. A nickname for William would be...
853:  Uh? For what?
Interviewer:  William
853:  Bill.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or if it was a little boy, well you wouldn't call him Bill, you'd call him...
853:  Billy, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh. A woman who conducts school would be a...?
853:  Teacher
Interviewer:  Okay, any old-fashioned terms you ever heard? For a teacher?
853:  No. Schoolmarm
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Uh. There's a family name, uh Old boy wrote the books, uh, the books called "The Leatherstocking Tales" and his name was James Fenimore Do you know his last name?
853:  Sure No, I can't think.
Interviewer:  Oh, well if you think of it, stop me.
853:  James Fenimore {NW}
Interviewer:  Um. What would you call a preacher who's not really trained and he doesn't have his own pulpit and He just preaches part-time and he's probably not very good at it
853:  Student preacher.
Interviewer:  Oh, well, he doesn't, he makes his living doing something else. You know, and he's a carpenter or something, he preaches on the side.
853:  I guess he'd be a supply
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  preacher.
Interviewer:  A what?
853:  A supply preacher.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. My mother's sister would be...
853:  Your aunt.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NS} And, um, another girl's name, starts with an "S".
853:  "S"?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Sarah
Interviewer:  Okay. Got it! First one off the bat. Uh, if you had, If your father had a brother by the name of "William", you'd probably call him...?
853:  Uncle Bill
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, if you had a, a brother by the name of John you'd probably call him...?
853:  Jack
Interviewer:  Okay, but he he's your father's brother now, so you'd probably call him...?
853:  Uncle. Uncle Jack.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, uh. {NW} If you had ever known, um, Robert E Lee, if you'd ever know him, you probably wouldn't have said, "Hello mr Lee" You'd probably say, you'd address him by his military title which
853:  General
Interviewer:  General what?
853:  Lee
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. The old man who introduced Kentucky fried chicken is who?
853:  Is what?
Interviewer:  The old guy who introduced Kentucky fried chicken
853:  Sanders
Interviewer:  What's his name?
853:  Colonel Sanders
Interviewer:  Okay {NW} Uh, what do they call a man in charge of a ship?
853:  Captain
Interviewer:  Okay. Ever hear that title in other situations?
853:  Yes
Interviewer:  Like what?
853:  Well he's could be captain of of the ball team or... You know, could be captain of the football group
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. The person who presides over the county court. How would you address that person?
853:  Judge.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, a boy or girl in grade school would be a...? What would you call them?
853:  A student
Interviewer:  Okay. And if they were in High school would you, what would you call them?
853:  Still be student.
Interviewer:  Alright what about if they were in college?
853:  Student.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, a person in an office who handles the boss' mail and schedules the boss' appointments Answers the phone, would be the boss's
853:  Secretary
Interviewer:  Okay. Um, a man on a stage would be an actor and woman would be an...?
853:  Actress.
Interviewer:  And, uh, if you were born in the United Sates you're called an..?
853:  American citizen
Interviewer:  Okay, um, what would you call the name of our race?
853:  Caucasian
Interviewer:  Okay. Anything else?
853:  I guess you'd be white race
Interviewer:  Okay, okay, what are some people who aren't white?
853:  That what?
Interviewer:  What are some people who aren't white?
853:  Well I guess you'd say they're Mexican or they're Filipino or Japanese
Interviewer:  Okay, what else? People that used to be slaves in this country?
853:  Spanish and negroes.
Interviewer:  Okay okay. Uh What's the most polite, uh word, what's the most polite term for a negro?
853:  Colored. But today it's black.
Interviewer:  Oh okay okay, uh, what are some derogatory names for white people? Like white people that aren't very well off
853:  Poor trash
Interviewer:  #1 Okay #
853:  #2 White white trash #
Interviewer:  Okay, okay. What are some derogatory names for negroes?
853:  Nigger.
Interviewer:  Okay. Anything else?
853:  No I guess you're black then.
Interviewer:  Okay okay. Uh. What would you call somebody that lives out in the way out in the country
853:  In the sticks.
Interviewer:  Yeah out in the sticks. And he never comes into town and when he comes into town he looks real and people look at him and And he acts funny and they say hey look at that old...?
853:  Country hick
Interviewer:  Okay, anything else you'd call him besides a hick?
853:  No I guess not, I think that'd be the first thing to come to mind.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Um. If somebody's waiting for you and you're fixing to go someplace and they say "hey come on hurry up" You'll say..? "I'll be with you in.."? A minute Okay. Uh. If you know you're on the right road, going somewhere, but you aren't sure of the distance, you'd stop somebody and say how...?
853:  How much farther is it?
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. This, this part of your head would be your...?
853:  Forehead. {NS} Um.
Interviewer:  You go to the beauty shop to have your...?
853:  Hair cut.
Interviewer:  Okay. And a man shaves and shaves off his...?
853:  Beard.
Interviewer:  Okay. And where would an old-timey store keeper keep his pencil?
853:  In a pencil box.
Interviewer:  Well, if he wants one that's handy he might put it...?
853:  Behind his ear.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Which ear? Which ear?
853:  Usually his right ear.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Because he's right-handed, if he's right handed, and most people are.
Interviewer:  Yeah, what if he was left-handed?
853:  Huh?
Interviewer:  What if he was left-handed?
853:  Well he'd keep it on the other side I'd think.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. {NW}
853:  It's just easier, you know, to reach up.
Interviewer:  {NS} If somebody's mumbling you might say, "Take that chewing gum out of your..."
853:  Mouth
Interviewer:  Okay and you might you wear a tie, or a man wears a tie around his..?
853:  Neck.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say he got a chicken bone stuck in his...?
853:  Throat
Interviewer:  Okay. And this part of your throat would be your...? That part right there. What is that?
853:  Well I guess that's your I don't know.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh.
853:  I guess that's your uvula. You no you that's not the uvula. Uvula is that little deal up in the top of the throat
Interviewer:  Where are those planes coming from? I've never heard them before.
853:  What?
Interviewer:  Where are those planes coming from? I've never heard them before.
853:  Trains?
Interviewer:  Planes.
853:  Oh they come over here, they train them over there, you know?
Interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  Oh they, no. They don't train them to fly, they they train them to work on the airplanes.
Interviewer:  Oh.
853:  A T-S-T-I.
Interviewer:  Texas State
853:  Texas State Technical Institution.
Interviewer:  I didn't realize.
853:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  Uh.
853:  It's where the old air base used to be.
Interviewer:  Oh is that right?
853:  Now the one out there where you fly in an out, catch a plane.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  That used to be, during World War One, that's where the planes would land.
Interviewer:  I see I see. Uh. You go to the dentist and have them look at your...?
853:  Teeth.
Interviewer:  Okay and you might say, "well I'm gonna need to fill that..."
853:  Cavity.
Interviewer:  Okay, or um, that cavity is in a what?
853:  Bad shape.
Interviewer:  Uh. The cavity, I I you have a cavity in your, your front
853:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Your front what?
853:  Teeth.
Interviewer:  Uh, if you just had one, you'd have it in your front...?
853:  Front tooth.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, he might say "well you're taking pretty good care of your teeth, but you'd better pay attention to your..."?
853:  Gums
Interviewer:  Okay. And you can hold that baby bird in the what of your hand?
853:  Palm
Interviewer:  Okay. And, that man got mad and he doubled up both...?
853:  Fists.
Interviewer:  Okay, and he shook his...?
853:  Fist.
Interviewer:  #1 (NS} #
853:  #2 Okay. #
Interviewer:  Uh. A lot of times when people get older they complain about getting stiff in their...?
853:  Knees and, uh, joints.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, the upper part of a man's body would be his...?
853:  Chest.
Interviewer:  Okay. And you might say "That man sure has broad..."?
853:  Shoulders.
Interviewer:  Okay. And they measure the hight of a horse in...?
853:  Hands.
Interviewer:  Alright, and you have a right and a left...? What?
853:  Hand.
Interviewer:  Okay, and You might say "the pain ran from his heel all the way up his whole..."?
853:  Body.
Interviewer:  Um, just his
853:  Leg.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And into your leg is your...?
853:  Toe.
Interviewer:  On what?
853:  Foot.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NS} And you have two..?
853:  Feet.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. You might say "I stumbled over a box in the dark and bruised my..."?
853:  Shin.
Interviewer:  Okay. And if you wanna look at something outside and the ground's too cold or too muddy, to sit on You might just kinda get down like that
853:  Peep at.
Interviewer:  Uh, so you you get down like this to look at something down there. {X} What would you say you do?
853:  All fours or just crouch down.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, somebody's been sick for a while but now he's up and around but you might say, "well he still looks a little.."?
853:  Peaked.
Interviewer:  Um. A person who is really big and muscular and athletic can can lift heavy weights you say he sure is...?
853:  Robust.
Interviewer:  Okay. Any other words you might use for him? He's not weak, he's...?
853:  Nice, strong, healthy looking.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, somebody who always has a smile on his face and never looses his temper you'd say he sure is..?
853:  Good natured.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, um, somebody like a teenager who's all arms and legs Can't walk through the house without knocking things down. You'd
853:  Gawky
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Anything else? Any other
853:  Clumsy.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. Um a person who keeps on doing things that just don't make any sense, you'd say well he's just a plain..?
853:  Pest.
Interviewer:  Okay. And he, he just doesn't make any sense, anything he does. You, what else would you say about him?
853:  Haphazard.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, a person who has plenty money and who hangs on to it would be a..?
853:  Miser.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  And I don't like them.
Interviewer:  Really? Uh {NS} You might say "mr Brown'll pay you good money but you have to earn it He's a regular..?"
853:  Stickler for hard work. {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay. uh, if you said or if you heard somebody say "That girl is very common". What would it mean?
853:  Ordinary.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. If there's a ninety-six year old man {NW} And he's still real strong and he doesn't show his age. And he gets around real well, you'd say "well he is still quite"
853:  Alert.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Active.
Interviewer:  Okay. If it's a if it's a young person, like a three year old or something Always on the go, getting into everything, you'd say he sure is...?
853:  Meddlesome.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. If your daughter was out later than usual and she was on a date or something You might say "well I don't suppose there's anything wrong but I can't help feeling a little..?"
853:  Uneasy.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, you might say "I don't wanna go upstairs in the dark I'm.."?
853:  Afraid.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, a person who gets afraid easily is kind of a..?
853:  Coward.
Interviewer:  Okay. And a place, like a dark place beside a graveyard would be a what kind of place?
853:  Spooky.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NS} You might say "The kids around here aren't really reckless drivers but they forget to signal, they forget to Always don't pay much attention, you know? And so you say they're kind of..."?
853:  Irresponsible.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um, you might say to your daughter "Now you just make too many mistakes on this arithmetic test, you just must not have been concentrating, don't be so what? You're just kinda fooling around, you know? Don't be so...?
853:  Unconcerned.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, you might say "well there's nothing really wrong with Aunt Lizzy, but sometimes she just acts kinda.."?
853:  Off.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Any other words you might use? {NW}
853:  Well, a little balmy.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NW} Uh, a person who makes up his mind and there isn't anything that can make him change it you'd say he sure is..?
853:  Obstinate or hard headed. {NS}
Interviewer:  Well let's see. Oh Somebody that you can't joke with without him losing his temper you'd say he sure is..? Can't even tease him or you know he
853:  He's too sensitive.
Interviewer:  Okay okay. And you might say " I was just kidding him, I didn't know he'd get .."?
853:  Mad.
Interviewer:  Okay and if there was a building burning and there was a bunch of people in it and they were starting to panic, somebody might stand up and say "okay everybody keep.."?
853:  Calm.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. If you'd been working real hard, you'd say you're very..?
853:  Industrious.
Interviewer:  Well, after you get through working, you're you might've been industrious first and then you're..?
853:  You're tired.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Exhausted.
Interviewer:  Okay. And you're real real real real real tired. You'd say you're all..?
853:  Pooped. {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay okay. Any other, uh any other word for it?
853:  Uh Kinda, worked to death.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Something.
Interviewer:  Um Uh, if you have clothes that have holes in the knees and you know they're starting to fall apart, you'd say "well I'm gonna have to throw these away they're all.."?
853:  Raggedy
Interviewer:  Okay, another word for them? They're all..?
853:  Worn out.
Interviewer:  Okay
853:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Uh Somebody got uh, overheated, and chilled and his eyes and his nose started to run and Started sneezing and you'd say he, what did he get?
853:  Taken a bad cold.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, next his voice, you'd say "he's a little bit.."?
853:  Hoarse.
Interviewer:  Okay. {NS} And if he did {X} {NW}
853:  Cough
Interviewer:  A what?
853:  Cough.
Interviewer:  Okay, and you might say "I think I'll go ahead and take a nap, I'm feeling a little bit.."?
853:  Sleep {NW} Sleepy.
Interviewer:  I feel it now too. {NW} And you might say at six o'clock in the morning when the alarm goes off "I.."?
853:  I'm just, still sleepy.
Interviewer:  Okay. But when the alarm goes off, I... What do I do?
853:  I get up.
Interviewer:  Well before you get up you have to..?
853:  Bob up
Interviewer:  Uh, okay. Uh, you're asleep and then the alarm goes off and you, you open your eyes and you say you
853:  "Oh mercy, have to get up"
Interviewer:  Okay. You might say "he's still sleeping. You better go.." "He's still sleeping, you better go in there and.."?
853:  Wake him up.
Interviewer:  Okay and um, a person who can't hear anything is stone..?
853:  Deaf.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh, if somebody went out to work in the hot sun and he started to sweat And by the time he finished he had really, what a lot?
853:  Perspired.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or if you were gonna use the word sweaty.
853:  Sweat.
Interviewer:  He had really..?
853:  Ringing wet.
Interviewer:  Okay.
853:  Sweat. Sweat a lot.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, what do you call that kinda sore that a bunch of people get on well some people get it on the back of their neck?
853:  A boil.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh and what do you call that stuff that comes out if you have to have {X}
853:  Pus.
Interviewer:  {X} Do you have one?
853:  No but my husband did. And every man down at the shop one time, they all bought him a bunch of new clothes. And uh, they wore them before they had them laundered. You know, they were overalls and And a jumper. Working at the shops. And every last one of them, well I, I wouldn't swear all but Most of them had big boils, had to cut out places, you know, have them latched. Not only latched but just ring it out before it gets, well. {NW} And he and his brother, of course I saw theirs.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  And they were terrible.
Interviewer:  That's awful, why did it do that?
853:  I don't know, but there was some kind of poison in the dye. That dyed the overalls and jumper.
Interviewer:  That's horrible. That, oh. When you get a blister, what do you call that stuff that forms under the blister?
853:  Water.
Interviewer:  Okay. And, uh, you might say "a bee stung me and my hand.."?
853:  Swelled
Interviewer:  Okay and in fact it's still pretty badly..?
853:  Puffed.
Interviewer:  Okay, or if you were gonna use the word swell, you'd say it's still pretty badly..?
853:  Swollen.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh If somebody got shot in the war you'd say he got a..?
853:  Wound
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh. Around the wound, sometimes it doesn't heal just right and you get this kind of white, veinular substance and they have to cut it out
853:  Pus.
Interviewer:  Okay, uh, do you ever hear it called any kind of flesh?
853:  Proud flesh.
Interviewer:  What is that anyway?
853:  Well it's, uh, flesh that, uh, there's enough, uh, impurities that it won't slough off to the real flesh or new flesh so it can heal.
Interviewer:  Well, that's terrible
853:  Proud flesh is, we used to have it a lot. Now I don't know why we don't have it anymore but I don't care how bad kids get hurt and how long an old sore'll stay.
Interviewer:  {X}
853:  They won't, you don't get, I don't ever hear of proud flesh anymore I imagine the first thing we'd do now, think we'd doctor them.
Interviewer:  Yeah
853:  Didn't used to have anything to doctor with.
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah. Probably I guess
853:  Nothing but turpentine. {NW} And it's the best poison absorber in the world. {NW}
Interviewer:  Sounds horrible.
853:  My husband had, uh, ruptured appendix and he drained in his side for a long time And, uh, I fixed a {X} to go on, he had a knot that came around it and I was gonna have to, be go back in there And I said "I'm gonna doctor you to suit myself" and we done brought him home And I fixed with turpentine, rag and, um, mentholatum and campho phenique {NW} Things like that you know? And I I went to the store and got some {X} Pure lard.
Interviewer:  What does that do?
853:  Well it's a grease, keeps it from blistering. And I melt that in there, I saturated this, I cut the tail out of his old shirt, army shirt. And I put that around him real tight and see this had gotten into the lungs. And he had an abscessed lung. They was gonna have to go in there and drain that lung. {NW} And of course he's a railroad man, they didn't he was allowed so long in the hospital. He hear and when he got able to travel, I took him to Texarkana. And the doctor said "Young lady I want you to remember, that you saved your husband's life"
Interviewer:  Huh
853:  The turpentine is the best poison absorber you can ever put on an outside place.
Interviewer:  Huh.
853:  And they did uh, it dissolved, that, uh, lung tumor. And he don't have to have nothing done but just stay here and get well
Interviewer:  Well that's great I never heard such a thing.
853:  That's what he told me.
Interviewer:  That's great. How did you know that?
853:  Well, I'd a had it, that's all we ever had to doctor with, you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  And I put it around him and I, he was, I got him out of bed. And I sat him up in a high back chair And I reached around him and I wrapped around that chair and I hugged that up close to him. And when he began to get past warm, I'd take it and heat it again. Put it back on him. I did that for four hours, and he began to cough and spit up that pus, bloody pus.
Interviewer:  Huh. That's great.
853:  Saved his life. As soon as he got, his temperature went down from a hundred and five. And his temperature went way back down not really normal. I called and made reservations for an ambulance to meet him at the train in Texarkana.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
853:  We got on the train, went to Texarkana and got in there midnight. And the doctor was there ready to meet him He said he's alright.
Interviewer:  hundred and five is awfully high for an adult.
853:  Oh yes, indeed.
Interviewer:  And you have trouble with your appendix what do you say you have? You say you have..?
853:  Appendicitis. {NW}
Interviewer:  Did he know he had appendicitis before he had the fever?
853:  No, he fell in a drop pit, you wouldn't know what it is, down at the shop And a seven hundred pound jack fell on him. And it ruptured that appendix Appendix.
Interviewer:  It's a wonder it didn't kill him.
853:  It is. And, uh, he was off for months and months and months. Before he could work anymore.
Interviewer:  Yeah, well I suppose if you could get the insurance money because he was injured on the job.
853:  Yeah, mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What was the pit he was down in that you said?
853:  Well you had to, you roll these engines trains, engines, railroad engines, over this drop pit. And you went down on a ladder and it was high enough that you could stand up and work under it. Go ahead and work on the engine.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh I see. Yeah and that's what he was doing.
853:  And he was and of course they drain those things and that oil was made deep in there and you know. And, uh, they said he was in one round mess when he got to hospital. Cause it knocked him out of course. And they had a time getting him out of the {X}
Interviewer:  Oh dear, when did you hear about how did they
853:  Well, uh, his brother worked there too, and Lee came and got me and took me to the hospital. My mother lived with me then and we moved to town.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh, why he was in the hospital?
853:  No, my momma lived with us because we had to carry water from houses. We didn't have any water on this place.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
853:  Never could get a drop of water. And up on the other end as well, now stands I guess twenty-five, thirty feet in water fifty-two feet deep.
Interviewer:  hmm, that's a pretty deep hole.
853:  I'd go up there and wash. John would go up in the afternoon and draw water. Fill the tubs and the pots
Interviewer:  How old were you when that happened?
853:  When he got hurt?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
853:  Well it, I was forty-five, yeah. Our daughter had just married and left home, left, moved to {X} nineteen thirty-six
Interviewer:  I bet that scared you.
853:  Oh, mercy. And I sat by his bed twenty-six days and I didn't leave. Yes I did, uh, I took my clothes to my sister's. She lived three and a half blocks from Hillcrest hospital. And I'd go down there and get a bath and go right back down there.
Interviewer:  Well that's a hard way to live. Um. What is the kind of medicine that people used to keep on the medicine cabinet and {X} {B} {X}