Interviewer: {X} 894: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # #1 Served in our # {NS}: #2 {NS} # Aux: Ranch house over #1 There # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # Aux: And he'll Find something 894: We have it I yeah there's a man in Austin {NS} Named Breeding that uh has Made a uh rundown on Breeding {NS} Interviewer: Hmm Aux: Tree family 894: Family tree and uh he sent me a copy of it And I'm supposed to have one someplace safe to look. And I don't know whether I can find it or not but if I can't Aux: I think it's in that trunk Interviewer: Hmm 894: And uh My father he had his uh His family tree too and Aux: He has a cousin who has that Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: It's Misses Ralphs that lives in Encinal They're not in Loredo I mean not in Encinal today Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: They're in they're they went to Loredo I talked to her this morning Interviewer: Hmm Aux: And went to the dentist so Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: She's got a lot of information Just on the breeding site of course Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: Was that the Her father was Bob's mother's Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: {NW} Brother {NS} Interviewer: Um You know on the fireplace the thing that you set the wood on Aux: Mm-hmm 894: We had uh Aux: Andirons 894: Andiron #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Andirons and we uh That's what was Aux: They burned the wood You know 894: #1 We burned # Interviewer: #2 That's that's # What you called them #1 Andirons # 894: #2 Uh-huh # Interviewer: Thank you Um {NS} What about the thing that that you said could set a clock on or #1 something # Aux: #2 On the mantle # 894: Mantle #1 We had the # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: mantle over the fireplace and we had the clock up there #1 on it # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # Aux: #1 Then and then a mirror # Interviewer: #2 And uh # Uh-huh Aux: {D: There's a way} Interviewer: I need to get um #1 His # {NS}: #2 {NS} # Interviewer: His word first because Aux: {NW} I'm sorry {NW} I'm bag boy Meyer {NW} Interviewer: Oh that's that's okay but You know sometimes people have different words For things Aux: Oh yeah Interviewer: You know that's a Um Aux: We don't like those {NW} Interviewer: Um What about the taking Uh taking one of the start box what kind of wood would you use for starting it 894: {NW} We used {D: Cantolinian} chips Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh That's about all {D: Catoline} Interviewer: What is Catoline? Is that a 894: {D: Catolinia's} uh you take the uh The uh Lumber old lumber and Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Split it up and Interviewer: It's just any old split lumber then 894: That's right Aux: Shavings too Interviewer: Uh-huh {NS} 894: And uh {NW} Of course at times why we would use oil If we didn't have any #1 McKinley # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: coal oil we called it Interviewer: Coal oil 894: #1 Coals # Aux: #2 Kerosene # 894: C-O-A-L coal oil what #1 we called it # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: But now and then they call it kerosene Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: mm-hmm Interviewer: What about um taking a big piece of wood and Setting that sort of toward the back of the fireplace in 894: Well I'd put it all back there so #1 it'd burn all night # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # Did you ever hear it called a backlog #1 Or back sticks # 894: #2 Yes # Yes Put a back load of them there #1 none and # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # {NS} And the Black stuff that forms in the chimney 894: Oh Some say soot and some say soot Well I don't know Interviewer: Which Which sounds more natural to you 894: Soot #1 We uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: We use soot there mostly which isn't right I know but Uh You take it uh we would Take a Sack Get up on the top with a rope #1 And run it down # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Through the Chimney and uh Knock the Soot out #1 And uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: That away for next year Interviewer: What about the the stuff that you shovel out of the fireplace 894: Ashes Interviewer: Uh-huh And {NS} How about things that you'd have in a room um The thing that I'm sitting in You'd call a 894: Chair Interviewer: And something that that you have in there Longer for maybe three or four people to sit on 894: Well that's a That's a couch or Davenport or #1 Something like that # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # What about sof- 894: What Interviewer: Any other name for that Did you ever hear sof- 894: Sofa yeah Interviewer: Uh-huh #1 What's the difference # 894: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: between a Davenport and a couch or sofa 894: I suppose the period of time I imagine would be the main difference but uh Sofa was the older Word and and uh And then the couch Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Maybe it might be I don't know Interviewer: What about Davenport Do people use that now 894: I don't know I don't think so #1 I think it's # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Ancient history Interviewer: {NW} And Just a A general name for Um things that you have in your house Would be called your 894: Furniture Interviewer: Mm-hmm And A piece of furniture that um You can use to keep your In your bedroom to keep your clothes in 894: Well we had the closets Interviewer: Mm-hmm Is that built in or is that 894: We had uh We had ours built in if we had any Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And some of the ones would move Any and we would Hang them behind the doors Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Where we had more than the clothes it would hold Interviewer: What about furniture The with drawers in it for keeping clothes in 894: Well we had uh Keeping clothes in #1 that was just a # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: That's a Drawer we it's uh {NS} High boy Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Something like that I don't know it's a #1 Dresser # Interviewer: #2 Did you ever # 894: #1 Dresser # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Dresser drawers and things like that Interviewer: Did you ever see something that um had two doors in it You could open it and it'd have a place for hanging {X} 894: Yeah Interviewer: What was that called 894: We called it a closet Interviewer: Uh-huh Well the piece of furniture though {NS} Did you ever hear of a chiffonier or #1 Chifforobe or a wardrobe # 894: #2 Oh yes yes # Yeah we But uh I don't I always #1 figured # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 894: That a chiffonier would have been one that was bought and ours was handmade Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Made out of lumber one to twelve Not very wide and you could uh Put stuff in there and have Glasses on the front of it uh mirrors Interviewer: Did it have drawers in it too 894: Had two drawers on the bottom Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And you put your shoes and things like that in it Interviewer: If it was homemade what would you call it A 894: I don't know {C: very quiet} {NS} {X} We called it the closet Interviewer: Uh-huh So to you a closet could be a piece of furniture or it could be a little room 894: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Built in Um Something on rollers that you could put in window Windows to pull down 894: Window shades Interviewer: Mm-kay {NS} And The Little room off the kitchen where you can store canned goods and Extra dishes and 894: We didn't have that {NW} Interviewer: What would you call it 894: {NW} Uh I guess the thing would be uh It's a pantry I imagine Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 894: #2 A pantry # Interviewer: {NS} What about say if you had a lot of old worthless things Like old broken furniture and everything What would you what would you call things like that that weren't any good 894: Junk Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: {NW} Interviewer: Where would you #1 store things that # 894: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: that you didn't know what to do with 894: We had a We had a barn out in the back of the house and #1 we would take them # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: out there and Put them in there Interviewer: Do you ever hear of using just one room for storing odds and ends in 894: That I don't know I Interviewer: #1 What do you call # 894: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: That room 894: {NW} Junk room Interviewer: Uh-huh {NS} And {NS} A woman would say if if her house was in a big mess she'd say I have to 894: I'll have to clean it up. #1 or something like that # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # And the thing that you'd sweep with 894: Broom. Interviewer: And Years ago on Monday women would get all the dirty clothes together and they'd go do the 894: Washing Wash day Interviewer: Uh-huh What about on Tuesday After they were washed They do the 894: They'd have to iron then and #1 Course # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: My mother never did do that but I know what you're looking for My mother had these Mexican people do that Interviewer: Uh-huh Did most people around here um Have Mexicans of who {NS} {X} 894: Not all of them #1 Not all of them # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Aux: Those who could afford them Interviewer: It was it was pretty common 894: Pretty, very common Interviewer: Uh-huh What You know that big back thing they can have out in the yard 894: Oh that old boiling pot that #1 moist pot # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Wash pot and then you come down to kill hogs, would use it to render the whole {X} Interviewer: {NW} 894: {NW} Interviewer: Um And Something you can have On to heat of water to make hot tea in Something with a spout to it would be it 894: That'd be a tea kettle Interviewer: Uh-huh Do you ever hear um is wash pot called a kettle 894: Yes Mm-hmm Either one of them #1 Could be those # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # It's the same thing 894: Yep Interviewer: Um The covering on the house Is called a 894: Roof Interviewer: And something along the edge of the roof to carry the water off 894: Gutters Interviewer: Alright how are they Uh attached are they built in or do they hang there 894: They are They were hung there They were nailed up there and uh Had uh Some kind of a tin #1 aura and # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Wire Specially made for that to keep them up there Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 894: #2 I don't # We had gutters on our house and we had the uh We had the {NS} Cistern Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: With the water And we used the cistern for drinking because when We were here in Encinal we Interviewer: {NW} 894: We used to buy our water by the barrel ten cents a barrel And they had a man with a donkey #1 And a cart # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: And he'd bring the water over And he would unload it in our barrel and #1 He'd go back and # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Buy the water from the railroad the railroad at the well and Interviewer: Hmm 894: And uh Interviewer: There weren't there many {NS} Uh wells around here then? 894: No No I guess that was the Well they had other wells but they wasn't suitable for drinking they had uh Shallow wells that for horses and then is salt You take it our horses and the cattle #1 Why we'd water # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: That amount of these every well {NW} We used to I used to have to take my horses down to About three or four blocks and lead them down there and water them and then bring them back home #1 And put them up # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Mm-hmm Hmm {NS} Interviewer: Um 894: {NW} Was just two wells uh three Three wells I guess in Encinal Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} You know If you have a house and an L There's a low place where the roofs join Do you know what that low place is called #1 Did you ever see # 894: #2 No I # Interviewer: #1 A house built like that # 894: #2 Oh # Yes I've seen a lot of them but I don't know what to call it is they u- they used to grow them together #1 Down there but I # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: don't know Interviewer: Do you ever hear valley or alley 894: Oh yes valley #1 You have with the valley tens and the # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: corners where your two rooms come together and Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Comes on down water Down that valley Interviewer: What about the little room At the top of the house just under the roof {NS} 894: That uh {NS} The little room that's top of our house was just a uh Well we didn't have anything in it anything it's just More or less a Dead space up Interviewer: Mm-hmm Wha- wha- wha- what would you call it Are you saying going up to the 894: Attic would that Interviewer: Uh-huh {NS} And To get from the First floor to the second floor In this two-story house You have 894: The stairway Interviewer: Uh-huh What about to get from the porch to the ground 894: Have the steps Interviewer: #1 Step # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Down Interviewer: Do you remember um Having seen Different kinds of porches built or have different names for Different types of porches Like a porch off the second floor Or a big porch or something like that 894: {NW} I don't suppose anybody in Encinal had one of those when I was growing up Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: {NW} But uh Right now I I don't know what they're called Interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you ever hear a porch called a gallery 894: Oh yes We called ours a gallery out there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: {NW} Front of our house because it {NW} {X} {NS} Just out there that's all and uh Interviewer: No no roof to it no 894: It had a roof on it #1 And uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Come now and we had the posts and And uh {NS} Lumber Floor Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh Interviewer: You had the The po- 894: Yeah that post to hold the roof up #1 You see # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: And uh Interviewer: What how's a gallery different from just a porch Or is it 894: {NW} I don't know but I would think maybe a porch might be more like this or something like that but #1 I don't # Interviewer: #2 Screened in or # 894: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Uh-huh {NS} And {NS} You know some houses have {NS} Have boars on the outside that sort of lap over each other #1 Like this # 894: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: You call those 894: I call them uh s-sidings Interviewer: Uh-huh Do you ever hear of weather boarding Or Flat board {NS} 894: Yes I've heard of it Weatherboarding and Interviewer: Uh-huh But it's not a term you would use {NS} 894: {NW} Well I wouldn't know what it was #1 if I use it # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: because {NS} I think I think Weatherboard though is just any old board hanging outside wouldn't Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} {NS} Um 894: The other is overlaps Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 894: #2 Shiplap # Interviewer: {NS} The the siding is is shiplap {X} {NS} 894: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # Say if you wanted to hang up a picture you'd say {NS} You'd you'd take a nail and uh {NS} 894: Hammer it into the Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Hammer it into the wall Interviewer: With a You'd you'd use a 894: Use a nail Interviewer: And a 894: Hammer Interviewer: Uh-huh {NW} And you'd say I took the hammer and I What the nail end 894: I'd take the hammer and I'd hit the nail #1 And drive it # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: into the wall Interviewer: Mm-kay #1 So you'd say # 894: #2 And ham- # Interviewer: I took the hammer and I What the nail all the way in I 894: I go it all the way in #1 I # Interviewer: #2 Mm-kay # {NW} {NW} And if it didn't get in far enough you'd say it's got to be What in further 894: Has to be driven A little farther Interviewer: Mm-kay And If the door was open and you didn't want it to be You'd ask somebody to 894: Close the door Interviewer: Or in other words you could use {NW} {NW} 894: Shut the door Interviewer: Uh-huh How does that sound to you Does that that sound like 894: Well it's uh It's uh {NS} Not the proper word to use I know of that Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Shut the door Close the door I don't know Interviewer: Not much different 894: Not much different Interviewer: Um {NS} Before they had Bathrooms inside What did they Call the toilets they had outside 894: They called them privies in the old days Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: And uh {NW} And after we grew up {D: and red chick sailed why you know uh} Uh Privy and a little backhouse Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Heard some of them call it chicken coop Interviewer: Chicken coop 894: Yeah That that Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: That wasn't Aux: It was kids that didn't 894: kids Aux: Didn't know they were ever here Interviewer: Uh-huh Any um Joking names or sort of vulgar names people used to use 894: Yeah Take it S-H-I house or something like that Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 894: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: That was that was kind of vulgar 894: Uh-huh Interviewer: Um And Little building you could have for storing wood {NS} 894: Call it the woodshed Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about tools where would they be kept 894: The tools should be in the tool house but of course we never had a tool house. And we kept them around in the barn. Interviewer: Mm-hmm What what different buildings did you have You you had the barn now {NW} What else 894: We had a barn and we had a shed we would take the cow under when it'd rain and a milker or some- #1 thing like that # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 894: #1 It'd just uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Do you separate from the barn 894: Separate from the barn that is uh We call the barn the closed in part and this other Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: The other you see a shed or Interviewer: The shed was was attached to the barn 894: Yes mm-hmm Interviewer: What did you keep in the barn 894: {NW} We kept our Saddles and our Harness for the horses and we kept the feed {NW} #1 We had a # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Box in there we'd have brand stuff for the cow to eat and Oats for the horses and mules Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And hay whenever We had that and we had another barn we put hay in And later on that'd become the model T shed #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Um The upper part of the barn where you can keep hay You call that the 894: Loft Interviewer: Uh-huh Say um A long time ago b- Well nowadays of course they bale hay But a long time ago {NW} It they'd cut the hay and they'd let it dry Then they'd break it into little piles and maybe take a pitchfork and Load the hay on a wagon What would they call those little piles that they'd have raked up Was there a special name for them {NS} 894: I suppose they'd call them ricks Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Ricks of hay Interviewer: How what what does a rick look like Any special #1 Size # 894: #2 A rick # Well uh of course with us it would #1 be larger # Aux: #2 {X} # 894: #1 # Aux: #2 # 894: #1 You know # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: it uh we uh take our hay and that loose hay and Stack it in ricks Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Leave it for winter use or something like that {NS} Interviewer: How did you stack it 894: We would take pitchforks and men #1 And throw it # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # On there loose and have a man on top of it to Tramp it down and {NW} {NW} and place it in place to where 894: #1 it wouldn't # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: get wet when it rained Interviewer: Was did you have a pole in the center 894: Sometimes Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Not all the time Interviewer: This um What's the difference between a A rick and a haystack Or is there any difference 894: Well a rick is uh we what I always thought of a rack as being loose hay and stack well we stacked our Our uh bundled hay we'd take it we'd take a corn binder And it tie this hay this hay and little bundles Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And we would go out and in the field and s- stand them on the ends. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: With a seat up and let them dry. And when it became dry enough we'd haul it into the Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: To the stack Haystack. Interviewer: So the bundles Would Would make up a stack then That's what I wou- I 894: #1 Always # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Classified it Interviewer: Any other way of keeping hay outside Well we never used any other way in fact division says we never had too much hay {NW} 894: And uh We use a A s- Mexican alfalfa we call it this prickly pear that's our hay now Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: But uh I know that uh Baled hay and things you Why we uh Stacked that outside but #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Stacks too Interviewer: When did people start using this prickly pear Did they Have to been used all your life or 894: Yes when I was a boy The old milk cow we used to go out Set uh Build a little fire And uh take this prickly pear and burn the stickers off #1 Take a wheelbarrow # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 894: Roll it into town And uh Feed it to our milk cow Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Prickly pear has lots of water And of course water makes milk Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh so it was Very good and we would Supplement our cow with Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Prickly pear Interviewer: #1 You'd you'd # 894: #2 And # Interviewer: Roll it into town you said 894: O- on a wheelbarrow Interviewer: Uh-huh How far How far away is 894: Well maybe from uh Maybe about a thousand feet. Interviewer: Oh so you'd you just go out into the field and then 894: Out in the Pasture we'd call it #1 The pasture we # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: No fields {NS} Interviewer: A field is where you you Plant things or 894: Yes mm-hmm Interviewer: Uh-huh Um What about something smaller than a field that Maybe you'd plant just a little bit of sweet potatoes or Little bit of 894: Gard- A garden Interviewer: Uh-huh What about a patch 894: Patch Well that's what we've got here Interviewer: What what's a patch 894: Patch is a very small garden I guess like #1 That out there # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Just is a very small little patch Interviewer: What have you got planted out there 894: We have beets. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh I don't know what you'd call those Italian squash. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh {NW} Okra and carrots Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And Have some uh dill planted I don't know what that's for There's our patch of uh of uh asparagus Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: {NW} Interviewer: Hmm {NS} Um Now when you ha- cut the hay off A piece of land Um And enough grows back the same year so you can cut it again what would you call that 894: Second crop's what we always called it second crop of hay Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about the um Grass that's left lying over in the field after you Do that The the dry dead grass Did you ever hear of Rowing or aftermath 894: Rowing we uh We called rowing Feed you know when you have a pick up bale or something we put in rows Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Pick it up and then go back with an automatic baler and pick it up {NW} But uh we never had that here in Encinal #1 Up till now # Interviewer: #2 # 894: Lately Mm-hmm Interviewer: What about um The A building that's used for storing grain What would that be 894: That would be a grainery Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: In my mind Interviewer: Do what does the grainery look like? 894: {NW} A grainery uh We have none in this country that nobody has any grain. If they do they Sell it {NW} Now Grainery would be just a building that was Reinforced inside to where it would hold the grain and and have a top on it where it wouldn't get wet Interviewer: What Um What areas of the country do they use graineries in 894: Well we had them in Oklahoma when I was up there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh In Panhandle when we were there in Amarillo they had some real Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Grain where you see those big uh Thousands of bushels you know wheat Interviewer: That they used for the um feed lots or 894: Well that isn't uh That is used for flour the #1 Wheat # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: But of course now then they have those same things they use them in feed lots Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh They have it to where they can On a scale why they can pull out whatever they want to make some feeds and things like that Interviewer: These lots must be Pretty large 894: This man that owns the {NW} {D: Callehand} ranch he owns a feed lot from California Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And {D: Hugh} has about fifteen thousand head Steers on feed and steers and #1 heifers are these # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: animals {NW} And uh He has a lot of his cattle uh Also he has little feed lots around here that he #1 feeds them on # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: {NW} Interviewer: How how big a feed lot do you need for fifteen thousand Head of steers 894: I don't know why I don't know Has to be pretty big though pretty large #1 because # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: {NW} you take it uh You take it You You've got to give them plenty of room if you you know Where it's summertime it's very hot #1 {D: blind} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: They have to have air and they have shades I don't know how much it'd be Interviewer: I'm picturing this as sort of a cramped temporary place but I guess they they #1 stay there for several months # 894: #2 No no # Yes they have to feed them uh They have to feed them for uh Usually a hundred and twenty days Interviewer: {NW} That's a long time 894: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Um where would you keep corn 894: Corn would be {NS} What little we had we'd put it in the barn Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh Interviewer: Any special name for the Place the corn barn or crib or corn house 894: Well not not in this country there's no corn raised so Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: It uh I know crib is the word Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: To be used but it uh {NS} We have {NS} You know Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} 894: We had some we raised we have I have raised Corn I did I put it in the barn Took it out right through a hammer mill and ground it up Load it back in the barn #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: {NW} Interviewer: You'd Usually keep it up in the Wh- where in the barn would it go 894: On the ground before #1 We had no # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: We had no Double deck barns and #1 anything like that # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # What do the double deck barns now what What do they look like 894: I don't know unless it'd be like one of those like your picture in all these pictures is where they have the upper upper floor for hay and stuff #1 like that # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: goes up there On the sides the Beef or the #1 Cattle # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: or feed in the colder countries we don't #1 have in this country # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # What do they call the the upper part The 894: Loft Interviewer: Uh-huh Um {NS} Where would horses be kept 894: Our horses were always kept out on the open range Interviewer: Mm-hmm No shelter for them or 894: No shelter for them we're in a Warm country down {D: here} Interviewer: Yeah {NW} 894: And uh {NW} You take it the whole why people that have these fine race horses and things they had barns at one time Mister Coleman had a {NW} barn here and #1 he kept his uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Thoroughbred horses he'd put them on the track #1 and run them and things # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: like that Interviewer: They don't have horse racing in #1 In Texas # 894: #2 Texas no # No {NW} No horse racing it was voted down the other day {NW} Interviewer: What do you think of that you think they should or 894: I think that uh We need horse racing Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: From a financial standpoint we don't need it from a I guess from a moral standpoint {NW} I don't know That's a big question Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um 894: I voted for it, I'll say that Interviewer: It it was defeated pretty soundly wasn't it 894: What? Interviewer: It was defeated pretty soundly wasn't it 894: No not too bad not too bad It was defeated but uh Not like it hadn't been here before so like they made a #1 {D: Better antidote} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: on it this time Interviewer: Hmm Um Where would you keep hogs 894: Hogs they keep them in the pens Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Hog pens And uh You take it I worked on a ranch here that had hogs And they built special pens for their hogs And uh They Built Concrete Baths for them where they could go in there and keep cool for the summer And of course they age And they would take these Pigs young pigs when they were born #1 and take them out and # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: {NW} Take them to the pastures Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And let them Stay over there until they got older and then try to get them Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Catch them And uh lots of times they didn't get them but uh the #1 hogs # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 894: would feed on the pear apples we called them tunas that's the Spanish name for them Interviewer: Wha- what The pear apples 894: Pear apples yes Interviewer: From that prickly 894: Yeah #1 Prickly pear # Interviewer: #2 Pear # 894: They Nearly an- Nearly any animal will eat that #1 Eat the # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Mexican {D: wets} That come over from Mexico #1 Yeah they eat the # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Tunas and {NW} They eat the mesquite beans Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Whenever they have nothing else in some times Interviewer: There are no Um Thorns in the pear apple 894: Oh yes Yeah it has thorns but they can take a little piece of grass or something and {NW} Brush them off they're s- Easier to get rid of they're small very small Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um Mentioned the pigs when When they were about half grown You you don't call them pigs you call them 894: Shoats is that Interviewer: Uh-huh Then If they're Um Male you call them 894: Boar Interviewer: Uh-huh What about females 894: Females is sow Interviewer: Mm-hmm What if she's never had pigs {NW} 894: I don't really know I I Still a sow I #1 guess uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # {NW} Do you ever The word boar did When you were growing up did it sound sort of bad to To say the word boar #1 Or did # 894: #2 No no # Interviewer: It sounded okay 894: {NW} Interviewer: Um And the stiff hairs that a hog has on its back 894: A bristle Interviewer: Uh-huh What about the big teeth that they have 894: Tushes Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Javelins {C: Spanish pronunciation} We got the javelins {C: Spanish pronunciation} out here the wild hogs Interviewer: You call those jav- 894: Javelins {C: Spanish pronunciation} Interviewer: Uh-huh That's a 894: They call them peccary here {NS} J-A-V-E-L-I-N Interviewer: What's that? 894: J-A-V-E-L-I-N A javelina {C: Spanish pronunciation} that'd be that'd be feminine Interviewer: Uh-huh That's a wild hog 894: That's a wild hog that's They're called uh They're called uh {NW} Peccary English P-E-C-C-A-R-I peccary See them in the Interviewer: That's just a that's another name for wild hog 894: That is they claim that they're not a species as a whole #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: But I don't know Interviewer: Did you ever hear of one called Piney Woods rooter 894: Oh we have those Arkansas razorbacks Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: But they are {NW} {NS} But we don't have {X} in this country Wouldn't amount to anything whenever he gets to be real poor and everything he isn't working so reasonably Interviewer: {NW} #1 {NW} # 894: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Um The things you put the food in for the hogs Those are called the 894: We call them the troughs {X} Slop troughs and it used to be #1 Where we'd put in this # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: slop from the from the house Interviewer: What would you carry it out in 894: We carried it out in a bucket a five gallon bucket or something like that Interviewer: You call that the {NS} The slop 894: Slop bucket yes Interviewer: Uh-huh {NS} Um {NS} Say if you Um If you had chickens Where would you keep them 894: Keep them in the chicken house Interviewer: Mm-hmm Any other {NS} Special place for #1 the # 894: #2 Oh oh the # Interviewer: mother hen and the 894: No Course not on the ranch but uh they have those here I don't know what they call them in these #1 Nursery things # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: But Far as I'm concerned the uh chickens are just in the chicken house #1 Course they had the # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Brooder house and all #1 Of that stuff that's # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: What you maybe are looking for Interviewer: What about the Coop That you mentioned 894: Oh a chicken coop that's when the baby chickens yeah Interviewer: Mm-hmm Had the baby Chickens and they uh Set the old mother Hen in there with the baby Mm-hmm 894: Keep her the chickens got a little larger Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} Say if you wanted to make a hen start laying what could you put in her nest to fool her 894: {NW} What we always use is maybe a One of these glass eggs Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Or chalk eggs mostly glass we'd Put a glass egg in there and the old snake would get the glass egg and kill him he couldn't #1 Digest it # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # {NW} Say you had a good set of dishes That would be made out of 894: China Interviewer: Uh-huh What about an egg made out of that 894: Well that's the same thing Interviewer: The glass egg #1 Or a # 894: #2 Mm-hmm # Glass egg or china you can pick one Interviewer: Uh-huh Um A hen on a nest of eggs You'd call her a 894: S- a setting hen Interviewer: Uh-huh Do you ever hear her called anything else 894: A sitting hen or Interviewer: What about brood Brooding hen Did you ever hear that 894: {NW} {NS} Interviewer: Um Now {NS} When you're Eating chicken there's a bone that goes like this 894: {D: Fillet} bone that's my wife's piece Interviewer: Uh-huh Any Stories about that about Taking it and 894: Oh yes it has a superstition you take it and you uh {NW} You Like you a young lady why you would separate take it With another girl and pull it and the one who got the short one why she was gonna get her man first or something like that Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: {X} Interviewer: Boys would do that Looking to see who would get the 894: Yeah Interviewer: Get married first Um {NS} Did you have a A large barn and Um had a lot of milk cows and you Sold the milk and So what do you call that place a 894: {NW} Dairy Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NW} Did you ever hear the word dairy used to mean anything else besides a commercial farm like that 894: Only this here ice cream I'd bet {NW} Dairy made #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: {NW} Interviewer: Where do you think we used to keep milk and butter before they had refrigerators 894: When the There used to be a Lady there in Encinal had a {NW} Had a little Triple tray made out of uh Tents #1 On the top # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: of it's a little bit deeper than the others And she would put her milk in there and on the top she had Water Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And then On the sides going down she had cloth #1 And that water # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Would keep this cloth Cool and that would keep your milk cool Interviewer: Hmm what'd she call that 894: Milk cooler I suppose Interviewer: Uh-huh Did you ever um See people Store potatoes or turnips down in the winter 894: Only in Idaho {NW} Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: {NW} No {NW} They don't ever have anything like that In Oklahoma they had them down in those cellars you know Keep them down there Interviewer: Uh-huh Um A fixed in place around the barn where the animals can walk around You call that the 894: We always called it the lot Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about having a fenced in place out in the pasture Where you could leave the cow overnight milking 894: I don't know just Trap or Interviewer: Mm-hmm What is a trap now how how is that built 894: {NW} Trap that's a small Small uh A small pasture you might say Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: You e- could take this yard here and call it a trap if you wanted to if it had grass in it #1 things like that # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: {NW} Interviewer: When do you #1 u- # 894: #2 A trap # is is something to uh Put your Put your animals in that you don't want to get away from you and hold them For just A limited time Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Turn them out Interviewer: Say if you're gonna ship them or something 894: Hmm yeah #1 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # What about corral 894: Corral that's a Corral is what we use for working our cattle in We uh Take them in there and uh {NW} And We Castrate them and we Interviewer: #1 Earmark # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: them and vaccinate them Maybe bathe them I mean uh Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: It's a what do you call it a {NS} We have uh we have these uh Dipping baths #1 too # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # For ticks 894: For ticks and for lice and things #1 Like that # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: {NW} And we uh Run the cattle through and they have to swim a little ways Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 894: #2 To go # Through That's about gone too they use a mechanical one now mostly Engine Engine pumps and things Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Wet them down Interviewer: Mm-hmm You used the term castrate any old fashioned or more common term people use To mean castrate 894: Well we used to say cut #1 Cutting them # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: We cut them Cut the calves or we Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Castrate them of course Interviewer: What would you call a pig once it's been cut 894: Uh {X} I I don't know right now I can't remember I #1 can't # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: {NW} Uh Interviewer: Did you ever hear it called a bar or a barrow 894: Barrow yeah {NW} Barrow Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Barrow B-A-R-R-O-W barrow Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Barrow and a gilt That's the I guess that was the hog you were looking for isn't it Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: It ha- didn't have Pigs Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Um Did you ever hear of a Uh Milk gap or cow pen 894: Ever hear of a what? Interviewer: Milk gap or a cow pen 894: I've heard lots of cow pens but uh Interviewer: But what is a cow pen 894: A cow pen uh First place is if we had a milk cow we'd milk her in the cow pen Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh That was uh Might say where We did the milking and things like that Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: The cow pen Interviewer: And Say if you wanted to to get some land Ready for planting First of all you'd have to break the ground up And you'd use a 894: We'd use a Turning plow #1 More than likely # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: A turning plow or a disc plow Disc {NW} And then uh After that we would uh Go back and uh Harrow it down Level it off and Interviewer: Using a 894: Using a Peg-tooth harrow Interviewer: Hmm a 894: Peg-tooth harrow Interviewer: What does that look like 894: Peg-tooth harrow is a a lot of bars and got a lot of pegs on it #1 and this goes along # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: and it breaks the clods and things Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh {NS} Then we would {NS} Go back and Use a middle buster and Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh Lay the land {NW} That is middle bust that part the land and plant on top of this here that away the water would soak into these #1 those hills # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: and we'd go back and plant it why And those ridges and Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Add more moisture Interviewer: If you get rid of all the brush and trees on your land Before you you can get it ready to plant Um what do you say you're doing 894: Well we always said grub it you grub your land Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh That is you get rid of it and now then why it's gotten to where they you know Root pot and all that #1 stuff # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: You know Interviewer: What about cleaning the land or clearing the land out 894: Clearing Uh-huh Clearing your land Interviewer: Is that the same as grubbing it 894: Yes uh-huh Interviewer: How do you What equipment do you use for that 894: Use a grubbing hoe they call it We called it a grubbing hoe people now I think call it ad Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh Take those and a man would go there and he'd dig a hole around his tree and go down and get the tap root down where it's deep enough where it wouldn't bother the plow Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And Then we would take it and use the wood if there's any on there and uh Interviewer: If there's any wood on the 894: On this tree #1 That he had # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Grubbed out like this mesquite {NW} Why We would c- Cut it #1 And put it in the corn wood # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Hmm 894: And maybe sell the corn wood or something like that Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um When you're plowing the the trench Sort of that's cut by the plow you call that the 894: Furrow Interviewer: Mm-hmm If you plow it with two horses what would you call the horse that walks in the furrow 894: {X} I don't know must be the furrow horse I don't know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: I don't know exactly the name Never did do much farming Interviewer: {NW} What about what you guide the h- horse with 894: The lines Interviewer: Uh-huh And if you're riding on him you got him with a 894: Lines too really Interviewer: Uh-huh And your feet 894: Reigns #1 Reigns you usually # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Bridle reigns Interviewer: What are your feet in 894: Feed the horse Interviewer: Your your feet When you're riding on him 894: On the stirrups Interviewer: Uh-huh And You say before you can hitch a horse to a buggy or wagon What do you say you have to do to him 894: Have to harness him #1 Is that what you want # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Mm-hmm Interviewer: And What kind of animal um {X} Looks sort of like a horse that that you can plow with 894: Mule Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: {NS} Interviewer: What would you call two of those hitched together 894: A team of mules Interviewer: Uh-huh And {NS} What different kinds of fences do people used to have 894: Well of course uh The outside fences in this country have always been barbed wire Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And when you go to the uh Corrals and places like that why I've got an old wooden corral over here that's made out of wood Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: It's uh Two Two uh possibly you know what they are they're two Two posts put in the ground And at a certain distance Two more and then the stack that wood in and fill it up The height #1 of the uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: You want your pen and That away you go around Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you ever see a Wooden fence that Goes like in and out 894: Uh Rail fence I haven't seen one but I we never they never had them in this country #1 we never had # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: enough tim- we didn't have all the timber for that kind of Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Thing Interviewer: To set up a A barbed wire fence you First of all you dig a hole and Stick a 894: First thing you do is you're gonna Set up a Barbed wire fence You've Usually have to cut out the fence line #1 Cut out the- your # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: line that you're going to going to let Place your fence on And then go back and uh Set your Set your stakes up #1 To where you get them # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: In line and then go back and Start to dig in your holes And you have a man lining these holes up as you #1 Go on till you # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: don't why you can get twelve Interviewer: And take take the wire and nail it to a 894: Post Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: And with with a steeple ham- hammer #1 And steeple # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: And you steeple it onto the post Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about a A wooden fence that you might have around your yard or garden Maybe that's Pointed up at the top Did you ever see one of those 894: No Interviewer: Piece a Little Take pieces of wood then you #1 This one # 894: #2 Oh picket # Fence Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Is that what you Interviewer: How would you You'd Set up one of those 894: Well it uh Ordinarily a picket fence would be uh A picket fence would be maybe around your yard Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And you would go in and set your post and then Put your lumber On the outside of these posts and then {NW} And then put your pickets onto the Interviewer: Mm-hmm It's nailed together 894: Nail nailed to it To this lumber that you have on your post you #1 You nail your # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Pickets to that Unless it's some of this here that's already Well but it still has to be nailed Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um there's some of it that's woven or something or 894: Yes has uh Some of it has uh Wires in there #1 There's oh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: wires and it holds those pickets together and you can put them all up some of them individually Interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you ever see a fence or wall made out of loose stone or rock that 894: Oh yeah That's a that's a job Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: that I don't want but thank goodness we haven't got that kind of a land here #1 we don't have uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: rocks for it Interviewer: Hmm do you not have the rocks for the 894: No Or to make a Fence out of it we don't have rocks enough to Or anything #1 You might say # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Here Interviewer: Where where do- in the country do they have 894: #1 Rocks # Interviewer: #2 These # 894: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Uh-huh 894: Well you have to go through a hilly country I guess where they uh {NS}: {NS} 894: I I would think around uh Well we had a lot of them in Oklahoma #1 When I was up # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: There Interviewer: How long were you up there 894: I was up there about Two years Interviewer: When when were you 894: And uh About nineteen fifty-two fifty-one or fifty-two {NS} #1 And we we # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Came back and uh Interviewer: You were from In Oklahoma from about nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty two 894: mm-hmm Interviewer: What were you doing up there 894: Ranching Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Ranching and farming I had {D: farmer, worked for me} Interviewer: Hmm And up there they have the Those fences with walls that 894: They had s- they had quite a bit of rock But there's a lot of rock too whenever you get out in that {NW} #1 Big Ben district # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Out in there I Imagine why Put heels through the rocky mountains Interviewer: Uh-huh What do they call those Fences or Walls those Made out of rock or stone 894: I always thought they just uh Know a rock fence #1 That's what I always # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Called it Interviewer: Um What would people use to carry water in 894: Bucket Interviewer: Mm-hmm What's that made out of 894: Made out of tin in this country Corrugated iron but we call it tin Interviewer: Uh-huh Do you ever see one made out of wood 894: Oh yes I've seen them but Interviewer: Wha- what are they called 894: I don't what they called them A wooden bucket I guess Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NW} What about a pail What's the difference between a bucket and a pail 894: I don't know I don't Know I would think that a A pail might be for the tin #1 And the uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Bucket would be for the wood Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: That might be the difference I Interviewer: But you usually just call it bucket huh 894: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Um Something you can use for frying eggs in That would be a 894: Skillet Interviewer: Uh-huh Any other name for that 894: Frying pan Interviewer: Is that the same thing 894: Well a a frying pan is supposed to be made out of lighter material #1 and a skillet # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: is heavier Interviewer: Do you ever see one with little legs on it you could use in a fireplace 894: Oh yes Interviewer: Wha- 894: #1 Cooked them many a # Interviewer: #2 What were they # 894: Time that's one of them in the camp {NS} Interviewer: Uh-huh What were they called 894: I don't know they we called them We called them haceros {C: Spanish pronunciation} {NW} Interviewer: You called them what 894: Hacero {C: Spanish pronunciation} that there is Spanish for Skillet Interviewer: #1 How do you spell that # 894: #2 I guess # Interviewer: I 894: H-A-C-E-R-O-S Had a top on it you'd cook your bread you put uh coals on the top And coals on the bottom and Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: And uh Get your pan pan {C: Spanish pronunciation} out of there Bread Spanish for bread pan {C: Spanish pronunciation} Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: {NW} {NS} Interviewer: You use it in the camps You'd say 894: Yes in the camp Interviewer: But they left a they had on television you know the #1 The wagon # 894: #2 Yes # Interviewer: #1 And # 894: #2 Mm-hmm # Yes And uh Had the old coffee pot {X} And Nailed onto a Board and the board tied to the wagon wheel of the camp Interviewer: {NW} 894: Camp and that's where you ground your coffee Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Buy green coffee and roast it in one of those skillets Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: And uh Whenever it got done why then we would uh Grind it as we needed it and have #1 Fresh coffee # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # How long would you be out um In a Why why would you be out in a camp And for for roundup or 894: Well uh in our case it was building those tanks Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Course they use they do that in these roundups Aux: #1 Too # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: But uh We'd go to a location where they're gonna {NW} Make a tank for #1 Water # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: For livestock And uh they didn't take thirty days #1 To make one of them # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: With these mules maybe My father he always used six teams of mules and #1 He had six # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Men to drive them And uh We had a man fill the scraper we called them scrapers those drag scrapers Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And he had a man to empty them And this other man he'd six of them would go around and two is eight {NW} Mm-hmm {NW} And uh Either way why they would Interviewer: So you'd just be miles from Everybody then #1 Just out # 894: #2 Well # mm mm-hmm Interviewer: How would you you get water for yourself 894: Haul them in barrels Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Take a Wagon and Put three or four These old large barrels in them take the old lard Barrels in the old days and Wooden barrels and uh {NW} Burn them Inside and get the lard out and then we'd haul water in them Interviewer: Hmm 894: And Sometimes we would uh Maybe Have to use it for For an animal but very seldom Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: We'd always drive our Animals to water Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: We had the old bell mare And she would {NW} Take the mules and lead the mules and mules would follow her and stay with her Interviewer: You'd have the old what mare 894: Bell B-E double L Interviewer: What do you mean Bell 894: Put a Put a bell on her Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: And the mules would stay with her she was the one Nights we would get up and we would hobble hobble her put hobbles on her Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: And uh Turn her out And uh she would stay around in the morning when we got her up we always fed her So she was anxious So she would come to #1 Camp # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Whenever we started her in That a way why we {NS} Interviewer: It'd just be about eight people though just Spending a month or so just out 894: They yeah it And paid them fifty cents a day In the old days Fifty cents a day yeah and they would work {NW} Ten to twelve hours a day Interviewer: Gosh 894: {NW} Interviewer: Couldn't get that now 894: And uh They take it they'd stay out thirty days and come in town and Buy four or five dollars worth of groceries and the rest of it they'd take it for beer Interviewer: {NW} 894: Entertainment Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} Um They'd go Encinal would be the town that people would go in 894: Yes Interviewer: Um Say if you cut some flowers and wanted to keep them in the house you'd put them in a 894: mm Flower jar or uh Interviewer: Or a special Thing just 894: Oh those urns and vases #1 And things like # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: That {NS} Interviewer: And Say if you were setting the table um next to each plate for people to eat with you'd give everybody a 894: A knife and fork Interviewer: And 894: Spoons and Interviewer: And say if you serve steak nowadays and it wasn't very tender you'd have to put out steak 894: Knives Interviewer: And if the dishes were dirty you'd say I have to 894: Wash the dishes Interviewer: And After she washes the dishes then she What them in clear water she 894: She uh Scalds them in clear water and then Interviewer: Well #1 To get # 894: #2 Dries them # Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 894: #2 And # Interviewer: Or to get the suds off she 894: She {NW} Well we'd run hot water over them Interviewer: Uh-huh You'd say she ri- 894: Rinses them yeah Interviewer: Uh-huh And the cloth or rag you use when washing dishes 894: It's a dish towel Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Cup towel Interviewer: Is that when you're washing them or drying 894: Drying Interviewer: What about when you're washing them 894: Oh we have wash Dish cloth Interviewer: Huh 894: Dish cloth Interviewer: Uh-huh What about to bathe your face with You have a 894: A wash rag Interviewer: Uh-huh And to dry yourself with 894: A towel Interviewer: And 894: Bath towel Interviewer: Say if you wanted to pour something from a big container into something with a narrow mouth You'd pour it through a 894: Funnel is that Interviewer: Uh-huh And if you were riding horses and wanted them to go faster you'd hit them with a 894: Whip Interviewer: And Nowadays if if your lamp wasn't burning you'd have to screw in a new 894: New fuse I mean a new light bulb Interviewer: Uh-huh And to carry your clothes out to hang them on the line you'd carry them out in a clothes 894: Basket {NW} Interviewer: And This is a a musical instrument that people would blow on like this 894: Oh yeah We used to call it Jew's harp but they #1 Harmonica # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Is the Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 894: #2 Harmonica # Interviewer: That's the one that you blow like this What about the one like this 894: That's a Jew's harp Interviewer: Uh-huh There's Is that the that's two different things isn't it #1 The # 894: #2 Yes # Interviewer: You used to call both of them the Jew's harp 894: I don't think so Interviewer: This this one that you claim was the 894: #1 That's a Jew's harp # Interviewer: #2 Jew's harp # 894: And the other one is the Is the uh Interviewer: Did you ever hear of French harp or 894: #1 French harp yeah that's what # Interviewer: #2 That # 894: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # That's what it was 894: That's what it was yes The one you blow on Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Harmonica French harp Interviewer: Mm-hmm Say um If If you um Wanted to carry some corn to the mill to be ground What would you call the amount of corn that you take at one time 894: {NW} Maybe a bushel I imagine what you're looking for is Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Or a Load of corn Interviewer: Uh-huh Did you ever hear the expression a turn of corn 894: A what? Interviewer: A turn of corn 894: No Interviewer: And something that people put in pistols they call that a 894: Cartridge Interviewer: Mm-hmm And Say if you wanted to To chop a log you could make it egg-shaped frame To set the log in 894: Oh yes but We never did that Interviewer: What would 894: If you had a saw you would #1 Build it you'd # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Have to do that but we do use an ax here Interviewer: What would you know what you'd call that kind of frame #1 You'd # 894: #2 No mm-mm # Interviewer: What about the thing that carpenters use that 894: #1 They call them a # Interviewer: #2 Help them # 894: Sawhorse Interviewer: Uh-huh What are they called down here 894: Sawhorse Interviewer: Uh-huh Do you remember the Spanish name for sawhorse 894: {X} Interviewer: Did you ever heard them #1 Call # 894: #2 They # Burros Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Burros you know what burro is don't you Interviewer: #1 That's a # 894: #2 Donkey # Interviewer: #1 Donkey huh # 894: #2 Mm-hmm # Mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: Um {NS} Something else smaller than a A barrel That nails used to come in {NS} 894: Keg Interviewer: Uh-huh And the thing that runs around the barrel to hold the wood in place 894: Hoops Interviewer: And Something on On a a beer keg or a water barrel or something the thing that you turn to get the water out 894: Spicket Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about out of your yard the thing you can turn to get water 894: We call it water faucet Interviewer: And at the sink 894: Sink it's a faucet #1 Too # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # Something that uh people make with sugar cane 894: Is it uh are you looking for whiskey or something like #1 That or # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 894: Is it uh course they make sugar out of sugar cane and then they make uh Guess they call that Liquor that they make out of it you know Rye r- rum Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Rum Interviewer: What about something that Um Makes it sticky Then 894: Oh by boiling it and Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Bringing it uh I don't know evaporation I guess and uh Interviewer: Well What would you have uh to eat with pancakes 894: Oh syrup Interviewer: Uh-huh What else besides syrup what's similar 894: Well we have molasses Interviewer: What's the difference 894: Well uh You take it uh molasses is Usually referred to as a heavier species Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Syrup and the other And {X} You know and #1 Molasses # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Things like that Interviewer: You ever hear of molasses and syrup called long-sweetening and short-sweetening 894: No Interviewer: What about if you were gonna buy some molasses What would it come in 894: Come in a glass right now Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: You used to buy it in Half a gallon and ten gallon Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Can Buckets ten {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever hear it called a stand of molasses 894: No Interviewer: And What about a stand of lard did you ever hear that 894: No I bought a hundred and ten pounds of lard in pails and used to have a little grocery store in there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: But I never heard of a stand of lard Interviewer: A hundred and ten pounds 894: Mm-hmm Interviewer: That gets pretty big 894: Yes it is and uh Wasn't big for us {D: at least} Spanish people use lots of lard Interviewer: Uh-huh Um I don't guess they ever raise much cotton in this area 894: Used to you raise quite a bit of cotton here Interviewer: What's Um Well you have to go out with a hoe and sort of bend the cotton out what do you say you're doing 894: Chopping cotton Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: {NW} Interviewer: What different kind of grass grows up in the cotton field Where y- That you don't want 894: Grass burrs mainly #1 In this country # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Grass burr and of course Any kind of grass you don't want it in the cotton field Interviewer: What's grass burr 894: Grass burr it's uh Grass that has a burr on it and sticks to your clothes and gets you Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Mm-hmm And uh I don't know what kind of What What kind of grass you Have reference to there but any kind of native #1 Grass # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: Gets you and Interviewer: What other grasses are are native to this area 894: {X} They have lots of them right now #1 They have # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 894: Uh we have slender Grama grass and we have uh Interviewer: You have what? 894: Slender Grama Interviewer: What's that {NS} 894: Oh it's a {NS} It's a very palatable grass Interviewer: Uh-huh 894: Cattle eat And we have uh We have hooded windmill grass Interviewer: Mm-hmm That's good for cattle #1 Too # 894: #2 Uh-huh # And uh {NS} {NS} We have uh Honey Aux: What 894: Coca-cola We have uh Have pink peppers and we have uh Some other Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: Thing there and then we have the Trichloris And we have the crow's foot Aux: A what 894: Coca-cola {NS} And uh There's needlegrass out there see that that's that old grass that uh You walk in and it gets in your socks and Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} Is that good for cattle 894: It's good for them when it's dry after I mean when it's green when it after it gets dry why those old needles their tongue it hurts their tongues and they don't like it too well and I don't know they're are just {NW} Hundreds of grasses Interviewer: Mm-hmm 894: And uh Interviewer: What about um nowadays if you went to the store and bought something the grocer would put it in a 894: Paper bag Interviewer: Uh-huh What about Something that flour used to come in {NS} Aux: {X} {NS} 894: {X} {NS} Interviewer: What did Flour used to come in 894: {X} I have uh always seen it in bags Interviewer: Made out of 894: Made out of cloth in the old days but today Paper course but uh {NS} When I went to Mexico over there they've got it in a hundred and ten pound bag flour {NS} The whole thing is awfully dark But They would Use gingham girl and all that stuff to Try to Sell their flour you see and people'd get it and use it for clothes during #1 the depression # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: days Interviewer: What about the Um thing that The heap comes in 894: {NW} Well we call it tow sack I imagine that's what you're #1 Looking for # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Tow sack but uh It's a burlap bag and #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Any other names for it besides tow sack or burlap bag Did you ever hear it called a gunny sack or 894: #1 Oh yes uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 Crocus sack # 894: Gru- gunny sack I heard it called that but not Interviewer: Is it is it called that in this section of the country 894: Not very much no #1 Tow sack # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 894: is the one they use mostly Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um Say if you went out and got as much wood as you could carry in both your arms You'd say you had a 894: I had an arm's full of armload of wood Interviewer: Uh-huh {NS} And on a wagon that didn't have a full load of wood you'd say he just had a {NS} 894: He just has a part of a load #1 or something else # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # Do you ever say he had a jag of wood Did you ever hear that 894: Oh I guess I have that'd be a slang expression I #1 Never # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 894: Never used it {NW} Interviewer: And if you opened a bottle and wanted to close it back up you could stick in a 894: Cork Interviewer: Mm-hmm And Say if there was a log across the road You'd say I tied a chain to it and we 894: And pull it across Interviewer: Or 894: #1 Pull it out of the way # Interviewer: #2 Use # Use another word besides pull You say we We tied a chain to it and 894: {X} I know what you're looking for but I Interviewer: Using the word drag you say we Tied a chain to it and {X} {NS}