Interviewer:  Now how about these these little things that make a croaking noise?
025:  Well what do you mean crickets or?
Interviewer:  Well these are these are larger things that make uh kind of uh uh there there you see them down at you find 'em down around the creeks and they they hop.
025:  Grasshopper.
Interviewer:  Yeah well these are yeah but now these are things that they get pretty good size and you sometimes they eat 'em. They eat the legs.
025:  Oh that's bullfrogs.
Interviewer:  Yeah now what other things are kind of like that the small ones that make a peeping #1 sound? #
025:  #2 Well now # there's two kinds of frogs these old bullfrogs stays in the water and that's what you eat. #1 And then these #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  old toad frogs. Well they ain't sat around here I ain't seen none of 'em lately. {D: They just go around and} catch flies and they'll just sit there and eat them flies. If you don't catch 'em well they look like they're gonna bust. #1 And they'll #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  hop around hide around on the floors in the bath.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  And uh these old bullfrogs they stay in the water now people will gig them {D: and uh they'll catch 'em.} #1 And eat #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  the hind legs that's all about 'em. I never did eat #1 none of 'em you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  Seen 'em and caught 'em but I never would eat frogs.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  #1 My #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  grandmother used to eat mud turtles. Had 'em old turtles you know.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
025:  #2 {X} # Had a lot of good eating in them. They had white meat in 'em. #1 Their #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  necks and just like the breast of a chicken. She used to eat 'em.
Interviewer:  How about the kind that live on land what are they called?
025:  What?
Interviewer:  Now the turtles that live on land. #1 Or do they? #
025:  #2 {X} # Well now a lot of these lives on land but I don't know none of 'em ain't got another thing there that's a hard shell turtle that lives on dry #1 land. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # #1 You ever #
025:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  call that a terrapin or #1 terrapin? #
025:  #2 That's a # terrapin.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  People'll get them you know and they'll cut their names on 'em and then we find 'em in ten fifteen year {D: later.}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Now do you have a name for those those very small frogs that maybe you see 'em after a rain you #1 might see? #
025:  #2 Them's # tree frogs. Little frogs {D: way up} in the trees.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um.
025:  They'll holler you know.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
025:  #2 Make # a racket.
Interviewer:  Now you talked about uh the crawfish before. The crawfish {D: you land.} Do you ever call them anything else besides crawfish?
025:  Eh we ever call 'em crawdads. #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  Craw crawfish.
Interviewer:  And these little insects that you see flying things that fly around a lamp?
025:  Uh them's a uh {D: some kind of flies I don't know what they're called. I know} what you're talking #1 about. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  {D: You take in} summertime they can get all over.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
025:  #2 Electric # flies out #1 there. They #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  go to light. Millers or miller. Miller I believe #1 they call them. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # And how about the kind that get in your clothes?
025:  Them's moths.
Interviewer:  And this kind that light up at night?
025:  That's butter that's uh uh {NW} butter. Lightning bugs you're #1 talking about. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  Lightning bugs.
Interviewer:  Now how bout that kind with a long thin body that you sometimes see 'em down and around the branches or the streams little streams that they have a long thin body with uh slender wings? They kind of hover #1 around. #
025:  #2 Them be a # lizard. {X}
Interviewer:  No these are flying #1 things. #
025:  #2 Oh # I don't know it unless it'd be butterflies.
Interviewer:  Well do you ever {D: think a} snake uh
025:  No
Interviewer:  #1 snake you ever ever hear of a snake #
025:  #2 that no no flying # #1 snake. #
Interviewer:  #2 snake feeder? #
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Snake feeder.
025:  Well now yeah that may be what you're talking about.
Interviewer:  What is that?
025:  Well that's something like you're talking #1 about. {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 What do you call it? #
025:  Well I {NW} how about a while ago you was talking about lizard. But now lizards and these snake feeders are different #1 things. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  {D: But I} I've seen 'em and I know what you're #1 talking about. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  But I don't know whether they feed snakes or #1 not. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  But they're a thing that sort of you described. I guess that's what you're talking #1 about. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # What kinds of stinging insects do you have around #1 here? #
025:  #2 Well # we have plenty of 'em.
Interviewer:  {NW} Tell me about some of 'em.
025:  {NW} Wasps gives us more trouble than anything else.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Hornets'll build big nests around. {D: And our faucet's} polluted now with uh bumblebees.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Out there well we went in there yesterday. #1 Went out #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  trucking. I we should've got it out but I wasn't able to get it then. {D: They put an ol' mattress.} Somebody left us {D: bed a mat or something here and they stuck at up over half.} Well them there bumblebees is in that mattress and last year there was a woman that come here and my wife was gonna give it to her but we never did get it out. I aimed to get it out in the winter never did get it. And they're back in it again. #1 {D: While we're out} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  yonder they'll get in that old house where we was at #1 yesterday. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  They'll get in the barn.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  And uh yellow jackets. {NW} Yellow jackets is mean when you've got fruit like #1 apples #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  or something another.
Interviewer:  #1 How about? #
025:  #2 And the wasps # them wasps is the meanest {D: though.}
Interviewer:  Which kind what kinds do those are there different kinds?
025:  Well they're just no it's just wasps.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  They'll build you know up under the corner of the house and around the {D: mountains just} {D: sting you to get out here in the bushes and}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  I know a year or two ago I was out there mowing and I got my hound to get in the bush. I didn't know the wasps was #1 there. I didn't #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  {D: think to cover you up.}
Interviewer:  #1 I saw that {X} #
025:  #2 And we # hunted these awful mean stinging. {NS}
Interviewer:  Um the um how about that kind of uh uh a wasp that doesn't sting. It builds a nest out of mud under the?
025:  Oh that's dirt dauber. {NS}
Interviewer:  #1 And then the uh #
025:  #2 They're dirt daubers. #
Interviewer:  okay and the kind these little things that that that light on you and draw blood?
025:  Eh you mean ticks?
Interviewer:  Yeah well these are big. These fly uh and there are have these very you know mosquit-
025:  Skeeters?
Interviewer:  Yeah. And then these things that dig into your skin I suppose ticks do that but these are?
025:  Eh you gotta be careful them ticks them ticks has got {D: foil.} #1 You can't #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  get them doggoned things turned loose. They'll burrow their head up and you can't get 'em loose. You can put turpentine and {D: cool oil or whatnot.} {D: and they's got hard to turn loose at all.} They're dangerous. #
025:  #1 Give you #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  tick fever.
Interviewer:  Now how about uh now there's something else that's {X} also burrows into your skin if you're walking and you don't have boots on.
025:  Well that's them damn chiggers you're talking #1 about. You #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  can't see them
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  But you can sure well {D: as sure as hell get 'em.}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  But they're so little you can't see 'em.
Interviewer:  Now uh a small fish that you use for bait. You'd what would you call that?
025:  That's a minnow.
Interviewer:  All right and I don't know if we talked about uh did we talk about um uh uh sugar maples uh yesterday I don't remember uh if we did if we didn't uh let me ask you about that did uh uh did you ever do they have uh sugar sugar maple #1 trees? #
025:  #2 Oh there's # maples here but nobody never did tap 'em but I don't know why we didn't get any s- sugar out of them.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  {D: Have to be all} kinds of maples still {D: are plenty of 'em around here yet} but I never know why they never taps 'em.
Interviewer:  And the um the kind of tree that George Washington chopped down?
025:  Oh that's the cherry tree. They they don't last long cherries don't. You can't hardly get a cherry to live long enough. There's a few in this community. Well my sister's got some up there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  We used to have 'em but you just can't get a cherry tree to live long. #1 They're like #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  peaches. Used to you could get a peach tree to live for years now then if you can get one or two crops off a peach tree you've done well.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  There's just there's something to kill all these things you know. Just like the {D: well} the chestnut trees. They were killing the pine timber now. Some kind of insect things and and uh these trees if you don't spray 'em and keep after 'em #1 they just #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  don't last. Now you take these big orchards. They spray you know and
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  and uh if we could do that we could raise a lot of these things. But uh something happened to peaches. They #1 just #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  quit growing in #1 this community. #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. #
025:  They used to be pretty good.
Interviewer:  How about a uh a kind of a shrub that's leaves turn very red in the fall of the year? Um and they um uh it uh grows along the side of the road or by fences and the leaves turn bright red very early. Years ago they used to use the uh uh these little berries or bobs on 'em for uh tanning leather.
025:  I don't know now what you're talking #1 about
. {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 They're shoemakers? #
025:  things then there's a shoemake. #1 But I don't #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  know whether they're used for tanning leather #1 or not. #
Interviewer:  #2 All right. #
025:  I've seen plenty of them.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh
025:  #1 I don't know what #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  {D: there was ever a fur.}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Okay. {NW} #
025:  #2 I don't know if they were using # tan leather with it.
Interviewer:  Okay well I think that uh that some #1 parts. #
025:  #2 I'll # tell you what they used to do a lot of in this country here tan leather. They used to build a tanning mill here a while a big concern {D: for} employed a lot of people.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  And uh they used them old uh them old uh chestnuts they'd saw that up and make acid wood out of it. And they'd use that for tanning and then later on they got to taking old barks {up.} Chestnut oak is the best thing. Any kind of a good oak that would peel #1 you know and they'd #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  haul that. Loads and loads they used that to um grind up you know and make that acid out of it to tan the cowhides.
Interviewer:  What do you call that vine that you get a rash from if you touch it?
025:  That's poison {X} #1 Called what? #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  Poison vine. #1 Ivy. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  Poison #1 ivy. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # #1 What kinds of? #
025:  #2 You will # get a rash too. It'll put #1 your eyes #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  out if it get in your eye.
Interviewer:  What kinds of berries grow around here?
025:  {D: Well eh.} Used to be lots of blackberries. {D: But right now being} season where you've got any growers. And uh huckleberries'd grow on the mountain you know {D: and little} blackberries also {D: grow there.} They'd grow on the mountains.
Interviewer:  #1 How about? #
025:  #2 Woodlands # {D: and} there used to be a big old gooseberry. That was a sort of a bitter berry but oh folks'd get people to #1 pick. #
Interviewer:  #2 How about the # big red berry that you make uh sometimes? Straw?
025:  You must be talking about cherries.
Interviewer:  Or straw?
025:  #1 Huh? #
Interviewer:  #2 Strawberry. #
025:  Strawberries grows on the ground.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now a kind of a uh of a of a bush like it's a big kinda almost like bush like tree that grows under the mountains. Uh might help if a laurel. Does a laurel grow around here?
025:  {X} Yeah they grow around here but they grow in the woods.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Now how about? #
025:  #2 {X} # bought a lot up here in this subdivision. You still got it. It's got a lot of them laurels on it. They're just a big leaves
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  And they's ivy. There's ivy that grows in the woods. It'll poison your cattle. People used to have a lot of trouble with that. They'd eat that ivy and it'll poison their cattle. It's got a leaf but it ain't near as big as the laurel. The laurel has a bigger leaf.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Bigger. Grows bigger.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Do they is there any rhododendron or magnolia around here?
025:  {D: Well out here to about the end of it} there's none around here I don't know where that grows. {D: Whether it} well I guess it grows in the woods in the mountains.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Ridge hollows and fern. There used to be a lot of fern over there them hollows. That cattle'd live on the- eat them.
Interviewer:  #1 was there {X} #
025:  #2 {X} them # big deep ridge hollows on the #1 mountain. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. # Was there anything called sweet fern?
025:  Yeah I've heared that.
Interviewer:  #1 You know what that is? #
025:  #2 But I don't # know I don't know. My wife might know. I don't know what it was. Some kind of a fern you know that.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And uh a woman whose husband is dead she'd be called a?
025:  Widow.
Interviewer:  And a um.
025:  and if her and her man separated in divorce she's a grass #1 widow. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay good. That's good. All right. # And if a uh uh we're talking about your your children before you have uh here you you said your son and your the woman who works in you said in Gatlinburg that's your?
025:  My daughter.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And uh uh a woman who assists with a when she was little she'd say she was a little boy she was a little? {X} Not a boy but a?
025:  Girl?
Interviewer:  Sure. That's uh I wasn't expecting any strange word that was just for pronunciation. The um uh in the years ago before they had uh the hospital was available um there might have been a woman in the community who helped.
025:  Oh lord yeah there's an old woman over here she has my wife saying she got all the children this country. She got all of mine but my boy and #1 she #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. #
025:  did then she done better than the doctors done.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
025:  She'd come to your home you know and go and get her and she'd come to your home and then she'd have woman get along just as well. I never knowed her to lose many.
Interviewer:  What do they call a woman who does that?
025:  They call her a midwife.
Interviewer:  Okay did they ever #1 call her? Yeah okay. #
025:  #2 Granny woman. {X} #
Interviewer:  And when a woman's gonna have a baby you'd say she's?
025:  Pregnant.
Interviewer:  And uh a child born out of wedlock now there there used to be a uh humorous names for?
025:  Eh they'd call them them days bastards or now they're #1 illegitimates.
 Illegitimate children. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. Yeah. # #1 Did they ever use the #
025:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  term either a field o- field colt or a uh catch colt or a woods colt?
025:  Woods colt.
Interviewer:  #1 Did you ever hear it called? #
025:  #2 Called woods # colts if the woman had one unmarried you know.
Interviewer:  #1 All right. #
025:  #2 Somebody # {D: tell now come come round the other day about that} trying to get something straightened out and said well now she was a woods colt.
Interviewer:  Uh huh now if uh uh your brother's son what would his relation be to you?
025:  My brothers son?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  I'd be his uncle.
Interviewer:  And and he'd be your?
025:  Nie- nephew.
Interviewer:  Yeah and a child whose parents are dead is a?
025:  Orphan.
Interviewer:  And uh and uh the the court then might have to appoint a?
025:  Well a orphan {D: that way if you're} under a minor. See if I had minor children and or my boy now my boy where he's got them two there #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. #
025:  they'd be minors.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  Well if he left an estate or something like that. {D: More} more than his wife was allowed to take care of 'em. Well they'd have to appoint a somebody you know to.
Interviewer:  #1 Call that a guard? #
025:  #2 Take care of that # money you know and.
Interviewer:  Call that person a guar-
025:  A guardian.
Interviewer:  All right.
025:  A guardian.
Interviewer:  And all the people related to you. You'd call them your?
025:  Well they'd be your cousins as far down as you can go I #1 reckon. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  After you pass uncles and aunts you get down into your #1 cousins. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # But all of 'em together you might call them your? Call 'em your?
025:  Eh some kind of relation. Here about two weeks ago there's a bunch of {D: Kraussens} come here from Mississippi. Six of 'em and I had that paper that I showed you the other day that #1 wasn't #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  interesting to you. It was to them you #1 know and uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
025:  {NW} they think we're kinfolks and I guess we are way off. But lord only knows how far off you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. now if someone uh comes to town comes to the valley you've never seen them before. What would you call that person?
025:  It'd be a stranger.
Interviewer:  Uh would you ever call a uh a person like that a foreigner? #1 Uh. #
025:  #2 No # foreigners is people that's come from some other country you know out of the United States.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
025:  #2 Call # them foreigners. {X} what we do I reckon I'd {D: be about} #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 All right. # Now a um.
025:  #1 Wouldn't be #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh. #
025:  an American.
Interviewer:  Okay. They um uh if you had a uh if there was a uh uh uh a minister or a preacher uh preacher in the country country who um who um who really wasn't a uh very well trained. What might you call him?
025:  Eh I'd call him a jackleg preacher or something
Interviewer:  #1 All right okay. #
025:  #2 like that you know it's just {X} # {X}
Interviewer:  Would you ever use uh jackleg for for any other? #1 {X} #
025:  #2 Lawyer. # jackleg lawyer. Some lawyer that wasn't no good you know. You'd call him a jackleg lawyer. You know there's good lawyers and #1 then there's lawyers and #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. {X} #
025:  {D: things you just} be a jackleg lawyer or jackleg minister I've heared that old #1 expression. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. Uh. # have you ever heard of a jackleg uh carpenter?
025:  well I've heared of rough carpenters that'd be a jackleg carpenter. A fella that don't know much carpenter work you know can't do a good job of #1 it. He'd be #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  called a jackleg or a rough carpenter. #1 or you'd just #
Interviewer:  #2 All right. #
025:  mostly call him a rough #1 carpenter but #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. #
025:  that jackleg is used pretty often on lawyers and maybe preachers #1 you see. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  A jackleg.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  Or doctors. Some doctor. They're called quacks.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  A doctor that ain't a good doctor is called a #1 quack. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  We used to have a doctor woman that
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
025:  #2 lived up here. # And then we had an awful good doctor over here Townsend. And she didn't like him you know and she'd call him a damn quack.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. {NW} #1 Uh. #
025:  #2 But # he was a good doctor. #1 He was #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  good a doctor as they've got in the hospital. I went to all of 'em. I went to him and the doctors there he done me just as much good as the doctor did down at the hospital.
Interviewer:  All right.
025:  Was a good doctor. but he was a man that's crippled up. He educated himself for a lawyer or #1 something another and #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  and he got crippled up you know uh up broke up the back playing basketball and he #1 finally #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  made a doctor and he's a good one.
Interviewer:  Do you remember in uh in the Bible in the in the the names of the sisters of Lazarus? The two sisters?
025:  well I don't know is I just I've heared the Bible read a lot and read a lot myself.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  But I don't know
Interviewer:  #1 Well Jesus #
025:  #2 just off they would be. #
Interviewer:  The mother of Jesus her name was?
025:  Mary.
Interviewer:  And then there was and then there was Lazarus there were two sisters Mary and?
025:  Mary and well there's a Mary Magdalene. #1 Mary #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  Magdalene. I've heared that #1 preached on. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah how bout Marth- #1 Mary and Martha. #
025:  #2 Martha. # They was supposed to be sisters #1 wasn't they? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # And then uh if a if a girl's name is Helen. Then they might call her something for short.
025:  well they'd call her Helen or Helen {C: pronunciation} or something #1 another. #
Interviewer:  #2 How about Nell? #
025:  A little girl up here in the her name's Helen you know and I've heared my s- she's the only child uh you know and
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  good little girl. I've heard my son-in-law call her hellion. {C: pronunciation} Hellion. Hellion. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 That's good. #
025:  #2 {NW} # {X} call these Helen. She'd call 'em Helen. Helen {C: pronunciation} or something #1 like that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Helen. {C: pronunciation} #
025:  But it's all Helen #1 that's all. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. That that # was there any uh how about the name uh the name Nellie?
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Nellie.
025:  Abigail Nellie you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Never get the Nellie hardly ever just do Nell. We've got a neighbor up here Nell. Got one down here named Nell there's two Nells right #1 here. #
Interviewer:  #2 Was # there anybody did you did you know any people any any girls in the in the in the community called Sarah was named Sarah was that?
025:  {D: Uh yeah that's sure is.} Lots of 'em. My wife had a sister named Sarah.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Now you get down to the Martha's in this country. They'll go by Marthy or Matt.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh is that right? #
025:  #2 Marthy or # Matt. Now I had a ol' aunt down here that some of 'em would call her aunt Martha Kraussen and some of 'em would call her aunt Matt Kraussen. #1 I had another one #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  up here {NW} that's kin to us {X} and they'd call her aunt Matt or aunt Marthy.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  but Marthy and Matt's I reckon's supposed to be about the same thing.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  When you take Elizabeth she'd go by Liz.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Aunt Liz.
Interviewer:  What do you call a man who presides over a over a county court? He'd be the?
025:  He'd be the county judge I #1 guess. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # And a per- and uh and a and a and a child going to school he'd be a? He's in school.
025:  Well I don't know what you mean now {D: unless he'd be a f-.} be a juvenile #1 course he's #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. #
025:  get in trouble #1 he's a #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  juvenile.
Interviewer:  Yeah when he's in school though you'd call him uh a you know a person who studies is in school you'd call him a? Stud- a uh a student or a #1 pupil? #
025:  #2 Student # or pupil that's all I'd
Interviewer:  #1 And a #
025:  #2 {X} # Hard to know what you was getting #1 at. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. # I'll I didn't I wasn't very clear. the um uh uh a woman who in an office who uh who works in an office she might be called a?
025:  Well they're different things you know she could be called a s- a secretary or
Interviewer:  #1 Now say. #
025:  #2 something like # that. These here doctors has them women and what do they call them. They call them a receptionist. #1 Receptionist something like that you know. Uh whatever #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. Yeah. Receptionist. Um. {X} #
025:  they are.
Interviewer:  {NW} We were talking yesterday about uh you mentioned uh uh negroes and whites and now the um uh. What would you call a child born of a racially mixed marriage with one black parent and one white?
025:  Uh well I don't know I guess call 'em a half nigger I reckon.
Interviewer:  Okay and then I do you have any special special names for uh for uh for uh uh people in uh in the community who might not take care of their property and um maybe they they're dependent upon other people for they they just they can't take care of themselves and they let their property #1 get all {X} #
025:  #2 Yeah they just # call them just no kempt. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
025:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Yeah and and what are some names that if you heard any there's a there's one name in particular I wanna ask you about but just names for they use for for people who live out in the country live up in the mountains they call 'em?
025:  Hermits.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  I read in the other day here in the
Interviewer:  {X}
025:  Knoxville Journal about a man that the park rangers had found over here you know. #1 And the park #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  ranger had trouble with him and finally he got throws rocks at him and he got in his car and he still throwed rocks. They called him a wild man.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  {X} He's over was over on the North Carolina side.
Interviewer:  All right. Now did but the did they ever use the term uh uh a mountain hoosier or a mountain
025:  #1 Yeah I've #
Interviewer:  #2 hoosier? #
025:  heared that here. the mountain hoosier that's just a fella that uh that don't mean now like these #1 fellas with #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  they called him mountain hoosiers say a fella like {X} to go somewhere or another there and then come out of the mountain. Raid the mountain. That'd be a mountain hoosier.
Interviewer:  I see.
025:  But you never hear that mentioned on people live here but if uh way back yonder you know when #1 a man'd #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  live in the mountains and he'd go to town or something and he didn't know the town ways {D: and all they'd go and} look at him and call him a mountain hoosier.
Interviewer:  I see.
025:  It's like I hear the fella over here at Townsend saying world war one. He said uh we had to get the birds you know the farm.
Interviewer:  uh huh
025:  Then he said if there wasn't a far- said then before they do that then they said they'd gone down old mountain
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh.Yeah. #
025:  #2 hoosiers. Hoosiers. #
Interviewer:  Now if if a person has a uh uh has a cold and talks like this you'd say he's?
025:  Well they'd call that {D: laryn-} they used to call that tonsillitis. #1 Now they #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  call it {D: laryng-} something or another something else but back in the old days my grandma used to {X} They'd call it tonsillitis.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
025:  #2 {X} # #1 Now #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  what is they call it. They call it uh
Interviewer:  #1 Maybe laryngitis. #
025:  #2 {D: Laryngitis.} #
Interviewer:  Yeah but #1 they they uh. #
025:  #2 That's # in your in your gland.
Interviewer:  Yeah what do you call this part of your? Right here.
025:  Swallower.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Do you ever call it anything else?
025:  No.
Interviewer:  You call it a goozle?
025:  Yeah you goozle it you swallow it.
Interviewer:  Um the whole thing around here would be your?
025:  That'd be your neck. #1 Back around that #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  should be your throat.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  And then on down further now people has bronchitis. That's in the upper part of your lungs. #1 is the way I understand it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. Yeah. # When a person has a has a sore throat though and he might uh have laryngitis or tonsillitis and he talks like this he might you might say he's hoa-?
025:  He's hoarse.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. And this is uh uh uh this is just one?
025:  That's your upper plate.
Interviewer:  Yeah or just one?
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  One what? Just one? You know this is just one uh?
025:  Well I don't know just exactly there what
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. Well if well. #
025:  #2 you mean. {X} # I've got false teeth. #1 And that's #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
025:  my upper plate and my lower #1 plate. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure a lot of # {X} but he but but what originally you had but the doctor pull out the dentist would pull out a?
025:  {D: Well now right here would} be your eye tooth.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  And then between your eye teeth here is your front teeth. #1 And after you #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  get behind that'd be your jaw teeth. #1 And later #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  on in life I don't know whether you ever had it or not. I have. your wisdom teeth comes #1 out when #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  you get up about grown.
Interviewer:  Sure.
025:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Now #
025:  I've had my #1 first one. #
Interviewer:  #2 What about # the things up above the teeth up #1 here? #
025:  #2 That's # your gums.
Interviewer:  Okay now the um uh uh if a person had those like this he'd say he has a? {NW}
025:  They'd call that a hacking cough. Coughs from smoking cigarettes.
Interviewer:  Okay and a and a person who can't hear you'd say he's?
025:  Deaf.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay and then uh. #
025:  #2 Can't # talk he's dumb.
Interviewer:  Okay.
025:  Deaf and dumb.
Interviewer:  All right and then a uh a large sore that has a core in it?
025:  That's a boil. There used to be plenty of them. That's caused from your blood. But that you don't hear that anymore. Used to they'd and then they used to people'd have it on the backs of neck and you'd just about kill 'em. Sometimes they would kill 'em. They call 'em carbuncles. I don't know #1 what ever #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  caused that. #1 They'd do {D: a little} #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
025:  something. They'd have to shave your head. I've seen oh I've s- seen two or three people with that.
Interviewer:  What do you call that stuff in a in a boil?
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  the stuff that comes out of a #1 boil #
025:  #2 I # don't know. I've had 'em. I've had 'em one time call 'em just oh {X} corruption. I don't know #1 what the right #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  name would #1 be for it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  Just old #1 bloody looking #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  stuff'd come out
Interviewer:  #1 of it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # If a person is shot by a uh or somebody shoots someone with a with a uh a rifle or something you'd say he suffered a bullet?
025:  Bullet wound is what they'd put in the papers nowadays.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. And then and then if uh if especially years ago if a if a wound didn't heal right you'd get that crusty stuff around the #1 edge. #
025:  #2 Well now # sometimes they'd take blood poisoning #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Yeah but this is a kind of uh of a flesh that grows around a wound. And they used to have to try to burn it off sometimes but how long they had to burn #1 it off. #
025:  #2 Yeah # something like that you know uh. Used to people had to do their own doctoring. #1 They'd use a #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  whole lotta things.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Well.
025:  This one time there used to be some used to be {X} An old doctor {NW} clear right across this mountain between here in Gatlinsburg #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  And he doctored with herbs you #1 know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  And uh somebody got the big sore you know. People used to get sores and they wouldn't #1 heal up. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  And uh that old man told him he could cure him {D: and} he was asking what do you do?
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
025:  #2 And # he said the first thing I'd do he said I'd heat a iron red hot and he said I'd burn that out. and then he said um I doctor for the burn. He said I'm hell on burns.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. {NW} Uh-huh. #
025:  #2 He said I doctor for the burn. #
Interviewer:  Did did they ever have any stuff they'd call proud flesh?
025:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # What's that?
025:  Well it's just something will get in there and just won't uh won't heal up. Til you get that out. Now that's why they used to use alum or #1 something #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  another on that. Alum alum's one of the best things in the country. I used to use it on horses' #1 shoulders #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  where they'd skin 'em.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  And that alum is one of the best healing things I ever #1 used just #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  for whatever you for #1 country #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. #
025:  people that
Interviewer:  #1 Sure. #
025:  #2 didn't have # a doctor or #1 something. #
Interviewer:  #2 Well what would you # call that stuff that kind of skin?
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  That skin we were talking about.
025:  well now I don't know that proud flesh would just get in there. I
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
025:  #2 don't know what you'd. #
Interviewer:  And then a kind of stuff that other kind of stuff that you'd put on a cut? Used to burn and you'd get it in a little bottle. It's kind of brownish in color. that you might put on a on a bad cut to make sure it wasn't in- wouldn't get
025:  #1 Well that's #
Interviewer:  #2 get infected? #
025:  iodine.
Interviewer:  Yeah and then a kind of. #1 {X} #
025:  #2 {X} # people went and got to use 'em that #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  {D: a lot better up.}
Interviewer:  #1 yeah #
025:  #2 For a bottle with # a little in it.
Interviewer:  #1 And and how bout that #
025:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  kind of bitter powder that you used to take for a #1 fever? #
025:  #2 Oh # that was {X}
Interviewer:  And then if a person um uh uh uh person uh was alive one day and then the next day he wasn't you'd say he?
025:  Died sudden like of a heart attack.
Interviewer:  Okay but if they didn't know they might say I don't know what?
025:  Eh they'd have a something #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # #1 See I don't know {X} #
025:  #2 Now a heart attack # if he just fell over dead. #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  telling what happened to him. He had a heart attack.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  That's a lot of that happens.
Interviewer:  Yeah they might say I don't know what he died?
025:  They'd say they didn't know {D: maybe anybody} say I don't know whether that killed him or not.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  The doctors and course after a man dead it's hard for a doctor to tell what killed him.
Interviewer:  Sure.
025:  Anyway when his heart quit beating he gonna die.
Interviewer:  Right.
025:  I'd say it in #1 fact. #
Interviewer:  #2 Um. # {NW} All right and then uh after the person dies the body's placed in a?
025:  Well now they's used to people when before they had funeral homes they would make their own caskets #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  {D: Have 'em lay} their head sometimes and then later on they got to going to the funeral homes and getting the caskets.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
025:  #2 My # grandpas both died in nineteen sixteen. You couldn't get out of here couldn't get a cask- couldn't get uh. There wasn't no uh ambulances {D: if had any} couldn't have got 'em in here. Had to take a wagon to go and get 'em.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  But now then when anybody died most people belongs to one or the other there. We've got two funeral homes. They belong to their burial association you know. They've even cut the ambulance out now then cause they won't let the undertakers come and get anybody and take #1 'em to #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  Knoxville to the hospital or Sevierville the hospital. There's a ambulance that's that went on up 'til the first of this year and it's disagreeable.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  And this ambulance uh these funeral homes'd take you to Knoxville for twenty or twenty-five dollars and these funeral homes {D: they sure} bus now they've just only got one for s- for Sevier county. That sometimes they'll have to get the rescue squad or something #1 to go and get 'em. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  They charge you fifty dollars to come in here and get you and take you to #1 Knoxville now. #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right? #
025:  but the funeral homes when they come and get you when you're buried that goes in with your funeral burial. They come and get you and take you out there and take care of you and bury you and
Interviewer:  Uh.
025:  the ambulance service you don't that's one thing that you still got {D: is} the funeral home.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And where's the burying done how does the?
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Call the place where the burying is?
025:  That's a cemetery.
Interviewer:  #1 Right. Now do you ever #
025:  #2 Old # people still {D: called it like me} the graveyard.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Cemetery's the right place #1 for you. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Now the this um this disease that took the lives of a lot of children oh in the oh forty fifty years ago especially in this #1 throat? #
025:  #2 Well # that was some kind of croup. Remember it was croup or something another I guess what you're #1 talking about. #
Interviewer:  #2 Or did #
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  did remember did there?
025:  It's croup.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
025:  #2 Call it the # croup {D: then.}
Interviewer:  Did they ever didn't they call it diphtheria?
025:  The what?
Interviewer:  Dip- wasn't there any #1 diphtheria? #
025:  #2 Yeah. # diphtheria. Well that was that was a different #1 thing. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  diphtheria was awful they'd kill a lot of 'em
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  I forget just how that worked but it worked #1 in your tonsils #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  and in your throat.
Interviewer:  #1 things. #
025:  #2 Yeah. # like that.
Interviewer:  #1 Now a {X} #
025:  #2 You don't # hear of too much about #1 anymore. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Now you said you're troubled with what?
025:  Bad well one thing bad circulation. #1 My blood don't #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # #1 You'd say that #
025:  #2 circulate too good. #
Interviewer:  pains in the joints though. #1 You have? #
025:  #2 Oh that's # arthritis.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  And it's mean.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
025:  #2 As an old # boy used to work here for me and I used to laugh at people about arthritis. me and this little boy. Somebody was uh talking they had arthritis.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  This boy said I know all them damn ritises and he said that old Arthur's the #1 meanest one. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # How bout something that causes a yellowing of the skin?
025:  That's yellow jaundice.
Interviewer:  And how bout something you get a pain down in your right side?
025:  That's appendicitis.
Interviewer:  All right and if a person can't keep food down he might?
025:  Well I don't know what you'd call that.
Interviewer:  Just uh when the food comes up you mean he just vo- {NS}
025:  Well I've had uh I have some stomach troubles too. Sometimes food don't go through you. #1 Sometimes #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  you'd have trouble you have to take something to #1 get #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
025:  that gas and stuff. #1 I guess #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  that's what you're #1 talking about. #
Interviewer:  #2 No I mean # like vomiting or throwing up.
025:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 Maybe sick # to the sick to the stomach or.
025:  {D: Say say} sick at your stomach or something like
Interviewer:  #1 I mean it's #
025:  #2 that. {X} # {D: Be able to eat.}
Interviewer:  yeah when you've done that then you might thr- would you use?
025:  A lot of times if you'd to take something like tums or something {D: then would} alka seltzer or something. Milk of magnesia. It'll help you.
Interviewer:  If it doesn't though you might? #1 Right. #
025:  #2 And then if # it doesn't you can't get get that air out and that #1 gas would #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  get to be a little better #1 and sometimes #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  people would {D: get to the place} where their bowels won't be no good. I have to take something every night to keep my bowels a going you #1 know a lot of #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  {D: it is.} You've done it so long you just have to keep it up.
Interviewer:  Sure well I mean something where the food comes out of your stomach and out your mouth. You know what do you call #1 that? #
025:  #2 Well # they call that {D: vomickings.}
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
025:  #2 Used to # call it puking but that {NW} didn't sound #1 good. {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 All right. #
025:  Call it {D: vomicking} #1 now. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # {NW} If a if a if a if a boy is seen a lot with a girl um you'd say he's you know young young man young girl going out together. You might say they're doing what there?
025:  Courting.
Interviewer:  Okay and uh you'd say he is her what? He is her?
025:  I don't know. I'd call him her boyfriend or something. But now that they're gonna get married he's her finance. They're they're financing.
Interviewer:  Okay and what do you call the man that stands up at the wedding?
025:  That's the minister.
Interviewer:  Yeah and the #1 man? #
025:  #2 And the # best man.
Interviewer:  #1 And then #
025:  #2 You're talking # about the best man. I've seen him {D: wearing some of the other night down on the television.}
Interviewer:  All right the best man and then the woman who's with the bride is called the?
025:  Maid of honor or something another.
Interviewer:  Okay uh did they ever have a noisy uh do the in the kind of noisy carrying out after a #1 wedding? #
025:  #2 Well they'd # call that serenading they'd get bells and ring around the house and aggravate you to death.
Interviewer:  #1 All right did were did they? #
025:  #2 Ring the # cowbells and.
Interviewer:  Did they say
025:  #1 Shoot #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  #1 and #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah.
025:  cut up.
Interviewer:  #1 Did they? #
025:  #2 Maybe # carry 'em on {D: a rail or.}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Did they do anything to the women?
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Did they ever do anything to
025:  #1 No it was #
Interviewer:  #2 the women? #
025:  just fun. Just your neighbors #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  It was just fun some of it {D: wasn't fun.} Enjoyable.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 And uh. #
025:  #2 {X} # but they've quit that. You never hear of that anymore. But used to that was common. {X} drums and things. They'd torment you to death. People got 'til it got so bad some of the married {D: didn't go. They'd stay a week} before anybody knows where they was at.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Tried to keep it a secret.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Now the uh uh um uh after do they when at harvest time did they used to get together and uh have parties uh sort of when they were oh uh shucking #1 cornstalks? #
025:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah that's like {X} they used to and pick their beans you know and have bean stringings and things like that. And just get a crowd together and the first thing you knowed it would just get to be a perfect {D: and you asking some} boys and girls would come and lay around together and court instead of working helping you but if you could get married people and people like that #1 to come in #
Interviewer:  #2 All right. #
025:  and help you that was all right. But they were {D: thinking getting bad hands after all.}
Interviewer:  I see.
025:  Just be a torment. Just like when people was sick they'd come in you know and set up with him and then take people to the hospital then and wouldn't know where to take 'em.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  And people'd come in {D: of the night} and help you. Well after a while the younger people would go to coming. {D: And directly they would just get to be a pest.} {D: Now one my grandfathers had had a} great big house here you know and they'd go in the kitchen there and there's some boys work there for him {D: you know and we'd rave} and they'd pop popcorn. They'd go and drink coffee and then this crowd would come. Lot of men older than I am. And they'd go and drink coffee instead of coming in here and letting you go to bed and go to sleep after you'd worked all day with 'em.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  And you'd just have to get to just get to be a
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  aggravation #1 to you. #
Interviewer:  #2 If # um uh uh if uh when they get together and they have banjos and fiddles and the people get out on the floor and go around what would they #1 call that? #
025:  #2 That was # square dance. I guess is what you're #1 talking about. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  some kind of a dance I don't #1 know if you'd call it #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  square dance. I guess that's what you'd
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
025:  #2 say. #
Interviewer:  Did they ever use the expression when they was uh talking about dancing say to play? Did they they would pl- they would say to play with somebody meaning to dance with them?
025:  Well I don't know uh. To tell you I always {D: much} never did attend too many dances.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. Now if you were gonna walk #
025:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Across a field and then you weren't gonna go all the way down to the road you were just gonna go right through like that. You might say you're taking what?
025:  Near cut.
Interviewer:  Okay and if a and if a crop wasn't planted and the and the rows weren't planted perfectly straight what might you say about that field?
025:  Uh ell now that used to be a thing that people took pride in. They wanted to get the rows the #1 best #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  {D: that you ever could.} my granddad could lay off the straightest rows I near had ever seen. #1 He'd #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  take sticks you know and he could take a ten acre field take three sticks #1 and he'd #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  measure his row here you know and he'd measure 'em and he'd go and he'd tell them to just straighten and as a boy that {D: my granddad and him pretty well raised} and he turned out to be a good farmer. And he'd do the same thing. He could lay off the straightest rows. And people would always remark about #1 my granddad's #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  rows or this #1 fine #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  fellas rows you #1 know but #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah.
025:  {D: If there were many damn} crooked rows they'd always have something to say about 'em. I don't know
Interviewer:  #1 Did they ever use the expression #
025:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  antigodlin?
025:  I never did hear #1 that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Or # cattywampus.
025:  #1 Cattywampus #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  now that would #1 be {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
025:  sorta cross #1 ways or something #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  another in and out.
Interviewer:  All right and if you wanted to just to say to spend the night in Knoxville you might stay at the what?
025:  Well that'd be a Morton house.
Interviewer:  Or a ho-
025:  hotel or something. #1 That's a #
Interviewer:  #2 All right. #
025:  motel.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
025:  #2 Motels. # These old boarding houses about played out.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  Used to I'd peddle out of Knoxville and they'd have a you'd eat at them boarding houses up {D: over the square there and} {D: I have stayed a few nights at a time} summertime we'd have to sleep out there to keep somebody from stealing our stuff.
Interviewer:  If you were gonna take a train you'd go down to the what?
025:  Depot.
Interviewer:  Okay and then if um uh and if you were gonna check a book out you'd go into town to the?
025:  Library.
Interviewer:  All right and if a person works for the for the uh you'd say he works for the federal?
025:  Government.
Interviewer:  And a person in the police is supposed to maintain?
025:  Well
Interviewer:  #1 Law and? #
025:  #2 it'd be # sort of law and order.
Interviewer:  Yeah and then the war we talked about this before this the war in eighteen sixty-five between the north and the south. What was that called?
025:  That was called the Civil War. I don't know if there was anything civil to it or
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
025:  #2 not. I don't know why they called it civil war. #
Interviewer:  Now you mentioned a couple southern states. I think you said you haven't traveled much but you know you went after you go through North Carolina then you go through?
025:  South Carolina.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah and you know where the? Okay. Okay. #
025:  #2 and then into Georgia. Then into # Florida.
Interviewer:  Okay could you name a few other southern states? Out west and you know #1 down past. #
025:  #2 Well now # southern states. I uh that's all I've ever been in.
Interviewer:  #1 How about Al- #
025:  #2 In southern # states. Alabama and Louisiana and.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  All that down there.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  #1 I don't know how {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 How about the big # the big state the lone star state over?
025:  Well the lone star state that's Texas ain't it?
Interviewer:  Sure. #1 And then. #
025:  #2 And Tennessee # goes into the volunteer state.
Interviewer:  #1 Right. #
025:  #2 Now that was # cause eh so many volunteers went to the Civil War I reckon for it to get said.
Interviewer:  Do you know the name of a couple of cities over in west Tennessee big cities?
025:  Yeah Memphis.
Interviewer:  {X}
025:  That's a Democrat's city down #1 there and there's #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  fella with the name old Crump. He used to run #1 {D: match } you see. He's a Democrat. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. Uh-huh. # #1 How about where the #
025:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  state capital is?
025:  That's Nashville.
Interviewer:  All right and we talked about churches you said you were a Methodist what's uh another big church? Church that mr Denton belongs to for example?
025:  Well I don't know what mr Denton belongs to but I guess he belongs to Baptist. {D: See the} Baptist and the Methodist is the two leading churches {D: with these holiness people.}
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. {X} #
025:  #2 And the church of # Christ and the church of God. They're all different but they're taking a big lead. {D: And these seven day evangelists are} building a big church. #1 But #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  the main and the old churches there was only three. There was uh the one class they called the primitive Baptists. And they believed in foot washing you know #1 and things #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  like that. And then when I was a boy there wasn't but the three churches in the community and that was the Baptists and the Methodists. Now they end in the sixth district They's six Baptist churches and one Methodist.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. #1 What do you #
025:  #2 In the sixth district. #
Interviewer:  what do you call that uh they the uh the opponent God's enemy?
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  The the the man who runs hell what's his name?
025:  Well that's called the devil #1 as far as #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  ever I've #1 knowed. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Ever heard any other names for him?
025:  Satan or something like #1 that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay and # there might have been an old house in the neighborhood that kids were afraid to go near. What was that
025:  Well the hainted #1 house. Haunted. #
Interviewer:  #2 What's supposed to #
025:  Haunted.
Interviewer:  what's supposed to be in there?
025:  Eh spirits things you hear rackets and
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
025:  #2 somebody # dragging something over the floor or something. Down at the road here there used to be a house and #1 well people got #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  afraid to live in it.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that right? #
025:  #2 Didn't even # some of 'em'd run off and leave and.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What's the usual expre- eh what do you say to people on December twenty-fifth?
025:  Well eh Christmas gift is about the first thing they'd say to you in the morning when you'd #1 get up #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  or when you'd see 'em and they're supposed to give you something.
Interviewer:  Or merry?
025:  merry Christmas.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
025:  #2 Happy # new year.
Interviewer:  All right and then if you belong to a club you might have to pay your?
025:  Dues.
Interviewer:  And if uh uh there's just about five more minutes here.
025:  {D: I just have to speed up I get stiff.}
Interviewer:  Okay sure. Say on on the first of the month you might say the bill is?
025:  Due.
Interviewer:  All right and if you say I was gonna buy that but it just what too much it just?
025:  {D: It's too sh-}
Interviewer:  Co-
025:  Cost too much. #1 too high something along that lines. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. And and if someone # uh if you didn't have enough money you might have to go to the bank and?
025:  Borrow the money.
Interviewer:  All right and in the nineteen thirties money was awfully?
025:  Oh it was scarce. You couldn't get it.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay and first {X} #
025:  #2 {X} # you a lot to keep 'em letting you #1 have it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Keep # that down on the floor and turn it over like this you'd say you did #1 a? #
025:  #2 Somersault. #
Interviewer:  And if a and if a boy got out on the end of a of a board and into the water he?
025:  Dived. He dived off of that end of the #1 water and went in #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  all over you
Interviewer:  #1 And if um #
025:  #2 {X} # {D: I guess you'd done that summer.}
Interviewer:  Yes and to do this on the floor is to? #1 With your foot? #
025:  #2 Patting # their foot.
Interviewer:  Stomp. You stamp?
025:  You know something like this people used to you know they'd {C: tapping foot}
Interviewer:  Tap yeah.
025:  play some instrument and they'd {C: tapping foot} #1 tap their #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  they'd call that tapping their foot. {C: tapping foot} #1 now I don't know what you'd call that. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} It's gotta be # really hard to stomp it just down hard. {NW}
025:  #1 Well I don't know what #
Interviewer:  #2 That down hard. #
025:  you'd call that. #1 Must be just #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  be stomping the floor.
Interviewer:  Okay and if a person tells a lot of jokes you said he really has a good sense of?
025:  Humor.
Interviewer:  All right and if a child's been bad and he's gonna you're gonna spank him he might say to you please please give me another?
025:  Chance.
Interviewer:  And but but when you're spanking it were there different degrees of spanking #1 children? #
025:  #2 Yeah # some people'd be unmerciful. They you know they's a lot of people they used that they ain't in this country but I read it in the papers the other day about a man that beat his kid up you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Some people'd take their hand that was the old fashioned way just take their hand and turn 'em across the knee and burn 'em up.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  Then later on people got to using their belts I noticed my boy here not long ago he told his little boy if he didn't quit it he gonna he'd be getting nothing but his belt whupped with their belts you #1 know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  Scare 'em.
Interviewer:  What do you call a little something you give to you might make for a child to play with?
025:  Oh a little girl {X} doll #1 you know and a boy he'd #
Interviewer:  #2 You ever call it a play pretty? #
025:  want something else and.
Interviewer:  You ever call that a play pretty?
025:  Yeah there's a whole basket full of 'em. Oh these little {D: grand ones they ain't as} bad as they used to be as quick as they got here they'd go get that little basket. Bring 'em out here and pour everything #1 out on the #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. #
025:  floor there's a little of this and a little of that.
Interviewer:  They call it a play pretty?
025:  Yeah play pretty or something. #1 The other day there's somebody #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
025:  come here with a little kid and my wife to get it quiet while there's somebody visiting us and they had a little girl. She went and got that and they'd lay down there and they'll sat for hours you know and sat #1 and play on #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  that and sort that stuff out.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  And my little granddaughter. She used to come and the first thing she'd wanted to do she wanted to pull all these papers out of these #1 things and #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  throw 'em on the floor.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  And the boy he wants to play ball and
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
025:  #2 something # like that you know or run and jump and #1 fall against #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
025:  the wall and they're different children just different.
Interviewer:  If it hasn't rained for a couple of weeks you'd say we're having a?
025:  Drought.
Interviewer:  #1 And if #
025:  #2 Drought. #
Interviewer:  what if it's just for for a just not quite so long you'd say it's a?
025:  It didn't rain 'til it shower or #1 something like that #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  like we had the other day when you was here that'd be a shower.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay I want it to be a little harder than that. #
025:  #2 {X} # Well then call it I don't know. #1 call it #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
025:  everything I don't know just what the proper #1 thing would be. #
Interviewer:  #2 Well kind of just # the words you'd likely use.
025:  {D: The rain what the rain two then it's two or three days?}
Interviewer:  yeah well I mean all just rain would you ever have any {D: thawed} you know like a downpour or a #1 {D: sunstorm?} #
025:  #2 Oh yeah they'll # Come in there awful hard rain we had them thunderstorms just last week. and there's popping crack here {D: and just she'd} #1 get you #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  bright. You don't know where it's gonna hit.
Interviewer:  #1 Did you can't see. #
025:  #2 It hit that. # walnut #1 tree there one #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Yeah. #
025:  time and
Interviewer:  Yeah.
025:  scared us all to death. It knocked me and the fellas living out there we was planting beans out #1 there in the garden. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  It knocked the hose out of our hands.
Interviewer:  Yeah if you can't see across the street you'd say you'd say you it's uh there's uh in the morning you'd say it's really what out there?
025:  Hell it'd be foggy here. I don't know what it'd be in town. I guess it'd be foggy.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay and you call this? #
025:  #2 Smoky or # something. I #1 guess in Knoxville in a big town it'd #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Yeah. #
025:  be smoky or #1 Call that fog. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  Well the fog in the morning #1 here. You get up lots of #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  mornings here through this time of year you'll get up here one morning you can't see your cattle.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
025:  #2 {X} # Wait 'til that fog clears maybe you can't see the #1 road out there. You #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  And people that drives some of 'em's got {D: up on their car that they can't get the fog off and some of the main} I've had to stop and take and wipe the fog off you #1 know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  Going down this cold creek. Fog's worse along the little lands like #1 the waters. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # You call that fog up there on the mountains #1 that makes {X} #
025:  #2 Well now it'll come # down. It was on that mountain yesterday. Whenever fog comes down on that mountain and settles there #1 it's #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  it's gonna be cooler. And in the wintert- and in the wintertime that fog'll come down and freeze. #1 And that mountain #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  will be white as snow up #1 there that freezes on the #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. I see. #
025:  timber #1 in cold #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  weather. #1 Then's #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  when we'd always kill hogs.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
025:  If it was hog killing time #1 and we was #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  ready to kill 'em at mountain was froze over. My granddad was an old timer. He said whenever that fog was froze he said you could figure on one or two cool nights and you could.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Now but that stuff up in the mountains that you see all the time in the Smokies that's fog. You'd call that fog up there at the top of the mountains?
025:  Now we call it fog.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay and how about uh. #
025:  #2 I don't know what # smog #1 is now. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  We don't know #1 nothing about smog. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Yeah. #
025:  {X} #1 you've taken #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  #1 big #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  town you wanna talk about smog #1 especially in #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  California.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh if the wind hasn't been #
025:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  blowing and then it suddenly begins you'd say the wind is?
025:  A raising.
Interviewer:  Okay and if it start if it's been blowing pretty hard and it begins to stop you'd say it's?
025:  It's a ceasing.
Interviewer:  All right if you get up one morning and you go outside say hey I'll put on a sweater because it's a little?
025:  Chilly.
Interviewer:  Do you ever use airish?
025:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Would you ever say airish?
025:  Well now some people would say that but most of 'em will say uh it's sort of chilly this morning ain't it?
Interviewer:  if you're talking about the height of the ceiling let's say ni- it's nine nine nine nine f- you'd say that the ceiling is?
025:  Well now that'd be about nine feet.
Interviewer:  Okay. All right.
025:  #1 In other #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
025:  places it ain't that high. Back #1 in yonder #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  {D: my mother said} I I don't know why they built these old houses high #1 just like #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
025:  church houses. #1 All these #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  old church houses just there's no {D: k- there's no ups.} #1 {D: Two storied houses.} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  {X}
Interviewer:  Hmm.
025:  They'd make church houses would
Interviewer:  Hmm.
025:  they would be ten twelve #1 feet. Have #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  you've ever been in any old church house?
Interviewer:  yeah I
025:  That'll be twelve ten or twelve #1 feet. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  I asked somebody one time #1 what #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  they'd done that for oh they said used to people'd shout. Well I said {D: they'll never hit the} top of that wall when #1 {D: you get down 'em.} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Uh-huh.
025:  {D: Or up.}
Interviewer:  #1 The uh. #
025:  #2 Now they built the # barns that way. #1 Now you #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  take my barns. They made the barn loft {D: too too} #1 way #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
025:  too high. Two feet too high well now they uh a house this here ceiling here in new houses it ain't over seven feet. You don't find many people over six feet tall.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  And uh course the more house now that's where our house gets awful cold in the wintertime. With all this space you've got it all to heat.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
025:  And if you can cut off two feet there you've got you take two square feet plum around this {D: exit} you've got a lot of #1 lot of #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
025:  stuff to heat.
Interviewer:  #1 Right. #
025:  #2 That # you ain't giving you noth- it ain't worth nothing #1 to you. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
025:  But now why they'd make this ceiling this long as high in a two story house I'll never know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. #1 Yeah well. #
025:  #2 And it's just # Old people's way of doing #1 things. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
025:  I might have to p-