027:  Where you knew everybody and everybody knew you and it's grown and sprawled. Until our joint population with Alcoa is something like fifty thousand. {NS}
Interviewer:  What are the the principle {NS} sections of Maryville the principle do you know parts of it?
027:  Originally the town was over {NS} where you first come in. I don't know how you came.
Interviewer:  From um Knoxville out the Alcoa highway.
027:  Uh-huh. Well you missed it. The principle the original section was over where the railroad tracks are. Then by the time I was growing up that was known as Little Town. Now when my parents were growing up the train came in over there and that was the end of the line and there was a turntable and my dad and all the little boys
Interviewer:  Mm-kay.
027:  got out and turned the train around so it could go back to Knoxville. And uh then Maryville moved. Eastward. Moved Westward. Across the ridge, you see we're on three ridges. And they're all on Pistol Creek. Pistol Creek just
Interviewer:  Circles?
027:  All over the pl- I can give you a map if you would like.
Interviewer:  My understanding so if they just kind of twist around like.
027:  Yeah uh-huh. And um. Several years ago when they were repaving what we used to call Main Street and now call Broadway and which has um I guess about fifteen years ago they did this renovation and curving broadway #1 and all this #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm.
027:  {D: betting and put the fallow} #1 seeds in #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  and the big joke was you know the the Indians are going to attack Fort Loudoun.
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  {NW} We're getting ready for 'em. Hoping uh to attract business back downtown and away from the shopping centers.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Which it has not done.
Interviewer:  {NW} I see.
027:  And um then we moved to the shopping centers and then now this particular subdivision was uh planted in nineteen and eighteen or nineteen but it wasn't built in until the sixties.
Interviewer:  {NW} That was quite a quite
027:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: a spring then.} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  That's right.
Interviewer:  What is this particular subdivision called?
027:  This is Westwood.
Interviewer:  What are some of the other residential subdivisions like Westwood?
027:  The oldest one I guess well the oldest one is Eagleton Village, which was built to house uh Oak Ridge workers
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  during the war.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Uh they commuted from here to Oak Ridge. At well the oldest one is Alcoa because the whole town was built by the company for its workers and it did not open up for private ownership until after the war. Uh World War Two. And uh.
Interviewer:  Um Maryville and Alcoa is that kind of like one town almost? Or?
027:  Uh the city limit signs are on the same post.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  But Alcoa had no business except a dry cleaner and a grocery store until it was opened
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and they sold the company houses to the people that wanted them.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  It was built for the workers and they had um a garden spot in the backyard of every house and uh so that they could raise their own food. And then there were five houses I guess for executives which were very very lovely elegant homes and they were in sort of a little park
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  to themselves. But they had a high schoo- well they had elementary and high school. And they had the most beautiful swimming pool in the south. Which was built in about twenty-three or twenty-four and has just this year been rebuilt.
Interviewer:  Oh is it?
027:  But they kept uh the general features of it.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  It really is they scared us all to death #1 last year they #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  promised us a wave pool and the whole county just went up in arms and so the wave pool went to Pigeon Forge.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. I see. Uh talking about the the residential areas what oh would you say of the the nicest or the wealthier residential areas around Maryville?
027:  Uh Westwood uh was built first. And after we got about twenty houses out here then uh Heritage Hills opened.
Interviewer:  Whereabouts is Heritage Hills?
027:  Its about five miles down Montvale road beyond us toward the mountains. And um Sunset View which is you almost hit as you came off the bypass you know you will hit it as you go on the bypass. Uh is probably the oldest one that that was actually plotted and occupied. Before that the Willard subdivision which was before I was born. And the first one that I remember is Sunset View and they were varying their they varied from very large and very lovely homes to nice small homes. And they still do.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  #1 It hasn't changed #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Yeah?} #
027:  in character at all.
Interviewer:  That's unusual for #1 something to #
027:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  last that long and
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  and not change its character it is.
027:  It has they have opened up a whole new other subdivision which is named Sherwood Forest but everyone considers it Sunset View because the roads just go on through. And um.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. What about the say poorer neighborhoods where would where would they be?
027:  Uh until about five years ago they were just on the other side of Main Street.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  Broadway. And then housing came in.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  Federal housing.
Interviewer:  Mm. Oh and those were housing projects they don't know why #1 they came out and #
027:  #2 Right. #
Interviewer:  #1 yeah mm-hmm. #
027:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
027:  #2 # Those are housing projects and there are housing projects out here less than two miles away from us. And uh we didn't realize they were housing project and I was
Interviewer:  #1 helping #
027:  #2 {NW} # a young friend have a home.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  And uh {NW} he was told that the criteria was how many children you had.
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  And um so that let him out immediately. {NW}
Interviewer:  It would let me out too so.
027:  {NW} So that's how we found out. {NS} But it was pretty evident pretty quickly that that's what it is.
Interviewer:  What about now uh say middle middle or working come working class neighborhoods where which ones would they be? Whereabouts maybe?
027:  Uh right beyond us just in the county is Fairview Heights. Which is separated from Westwood by a fence and by a very nice very good county school. And um when these two were open they were {NW} {NW} rich man's acres and poor man's paradise.
Interviewer:  {NW} I guess that
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  that sums things up pretty good.
027:  {NW} So uh as far as subdivisions now all over town of course you find both because we have the college.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  And we have people who commute we have quite a few U-T teachers who commute who live in more in Alcoa than in Maryville.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Some that live in Maryville we have college teachers and now these beautiful old Victorian homes are being bought by young people. #1 Young professional people #
Interviewer:  #2 Restoring? #
027:  and uh restored as they can
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and just its really thrilling to see.
Interviewer:  Dr. Wright in the English department I believe was out in Maryville.
027:  Wright. #1 Right across #
Interviewer:  #2 Maybe? #
027:  from the uh campus in a house which her mother designed and built.
Interviewer:  Mm. #1 I had just been there I didn't #
027:  #2 Built. #
Interviewer:  I did know that she she lived here though.
027:  Uh-huh. Oh yes.
Interviewer:  {NW} The uh uh.
027:  She's a very good friend of mine.
Interviewer:  Oh I didn't realize that.
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I think she's in is she in Europe this summer or? #1 Its kind of kind of a #
027:  #2 That's right # she goes almost every summer she goes to well she's working on the other end of this uh whatever it's proper term is.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am the Linguistic
027:  And she #1 worked with #
Interviewer:  #2 Atlas. #
027:  uh
Interviewer:  With uh Professor Orton?
027:  Uh Professor Orton from Leeds who uh died.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  And about two years ago and um he was a charming man.
Interviewer:  I was never able to meet him I've heard some tapes and things that he made and made in some tongues but.
027:  He was utterly charming and I was so amused one evening we had our niece who went to the University of New Mexico and was here for her spring break because she went with a young man who was at the University of Virginia. And so they spent spring break with us which was a pretty good
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm yes ma'am.
027:  point uh and uh we were up at Gatlinburg and Nathalia was up there with the Ortons and some other people and so we were introducing and uh Doctor Orton said to Ann now and where do you go to school and she said the University of New Mexico and he said and where is that? And she looked at him and she said in the state of New Mexico. {NW} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  Which left him just as blank as a board. {C: Previous line laughing} but he left her just as blank. {NW}
Interviewer:  I guess so.
027:  {NW} That was one he hadn't heard of. {NW}
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. Uh now you were talking about Alcoa what about the uh neighborhoods there were they are they wealthy or or working class or?
027:  Both.
Interviewer:  Both?
027:  Mm-hmm. Uh you have your and they are still not too not too mixed. You have some mixed neighborhoods. Some mixed marriages some mixed families. But not too many. And uh those are in the um very lowest of the working class.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  But now the school is integrated and my husband's secretary that lives in Alcoa and her children go to school out there. And her uh son is um co-captain of the football team for the junior high next year, and the other co-captain is black.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And he said uh Mom can I have Nathaniel out to spend the night and she said sure
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and said but remember Nathaniel is going to return the favor. And do you want to spend the night with Nathaniel?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And Billy thought about it a while he says well I don't believe I'll have #1 Nathaniel. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  {NW} Which I thought handled it very nicely.
Interviewer:  {NW} Now are they are most are most of the blacks in the area in Alcoa?
027:  They are in the area or around Hall road which is the main street going through Alcoa spreading out on each side for about a five block area I would say.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  Then when you get out further out of Alcoa out of that area you get into still company housing but housing that and many of the blacks uh the man who does our yard owns his house
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  completely.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Free and clear and he says they talked to me about moving up somewhere and no cause I own my house I'm not about to leave it. And um he's so right. But uh then you find uh I have several good friends who live in company houses who have chosen to stay in company houses because they're painted every year they're maintained
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and they have raised their families there and they are are comfortable there
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and they prefer to stay there. And then you you move on out and you find other neighborhoods getting further out from the center of town. {NS} Where people have built their own homes and bought from the company and the five executive homes that I had mentioned #1 are all privately #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm yes ma'am. #
027:  owned now and sort of break my heart when I drive by because I remember how they were and what fun it was to visit my friends who lived there and they don't look like that anymore. #1 They they #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh that's. #
027:  couldn't conceivably
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  without the aluminum company #1 keeping them up. #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. #
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  The uh are there black neighborhoods in Maryville at all?
027:  Uh we have one settlement I guess you would call it. We closed the black high school when it had forty students. And integrated it. And the grade school had been integrated years before but they preferred to keep their high school and they had a very fine young man whose um wife had worked for me while she was going to Knoxville college and uh I'd just leave she'd come afternoons and her blue jeans didn't bother me at all. She was a brilliant girl and uh they I went down and I visited them to present a book from the D.A.R. or something and I was quite impressed. But they finally had to uh integrate but at that time we had about forty families
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  in Maryville and they moved out on the Morgonton Road area I don't know exactly where out there. And this little nucleus is your {D: tusks.}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Now we have other blacks who live in the public housing.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  In fact uh one girl who worked for me said everybody that I moved to get away from #1 got over there before I did. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
027:  {NW} So um but we don't really have #1 a black #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  neighborhood it would be Alcoa.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And it has always been Alcoa.
Interviewer:  In in Alcoa there is a are there separate areas for wealthier blacks and poor ones or is it just kind of merged #1 together? #
027:  #2 Now that # I don't know I have no idea.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  Uh well um yeah I do too, Oldfield.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Is where the wealthier ones live because
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  um most of them own their own homes and have built them. And uh they are the uh ministers and the best brick mason in Blount county.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And his sons who work with him and uh that would be the wealthier section.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. Now uh when we're talking about you mentioned downtown uh is that where are most of the banks and all still down there?
027:  We have branch banks spread all over Blount county.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  the.
Interviewer:  Whereabouts are the main offices?
027:  The main offices are still downtown.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And um the courthouse is downtown. Most of the law offices are downtown. My husband's office he is a lawyer
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  is uh a building that he built which is two blocks or a block and a half from the courthouse. And two blocks from First Federal which is our chief savings and loan.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm yes ma'am.
027:  And uh which he represents. And uh there are well Parks-Belk and Minton's. Parks-Belk of course is a chain but somewhat privately owned.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm yes ma'am.
027:  And Minton's is totally a Maryville store. Which still has its chief store downtown although they have opened two branches in the shopping centers.
Interviewer:  Where are the shopping major shopping centers?
027:  Oh uh Midtown Center is your chief one here. And it is just down the hill. And across the road in Alcoa. {NW}
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  They took down a hill to build it #1 and then this #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  chief and first and largest public housing project was built right behind it. And then uh a private company has come in and built one apartment building. Uh which is based on what you can pay for the
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  people over sixty-five. And uh it is totally maintained they have no maintenance they have buses they have bus trips taking them here there and yon. They are one room apartments.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  And what it will look like three years from now is #1 your guess. #
Interviewer:  #2 Pretty small one # one room.
027:  Well that's what they can take care of.
Interviewer:  Oh well that's right no no maintenance.
027:  Uh {NW} they don't have to screw in a light bulb or anything like that but they have to keep it clean.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And of course as they get older
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  it just gets more and more of a chore. There are no elevators and they're like four and five #1 stories high. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yes ma'am. #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # We're talking about the the shopping centers are there any um shopping areas that that are frequented mostly by blacks or that you would consider kind of ethnic shopping areas or?
027:  If so I don't know it. I there's a there's black a couple black beer uh
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  hangouts. And that sort of thing.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  But if there are black shopping centers I don't know. And um there may be some black um beauty parlors.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  That I don't know about but most of #1 'em #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Going back to the shopping area though.} #
027:  Uh no. Uh-uh. No shopping center. The A and P uh backs right up to
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  One of the better sections of
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  privately owned homes. Mm-hmm. In in the black section of Alcoa. And uh no our shopping is pretty well integrated.
Interviewer:  What about uh how about Maryville? Some local landmarks around say if a visitor came in and you were showing the visitor around Maryville and Alcoa what are some some of the things you'd point out?
027:  First of all I would take him to Maryville college and show him Anderson Hall because it was built by my great-great grandfather.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I guess so.
027:  He was a contractor and he worked his men on New Years Day and a wall fell and he went broke. #1 But he got it #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
027:  he {NW} but that's the oldest building on campus and uh for that reason the second thing I would show them was the courthouse because my grandfather was chairman of the building #1 Committee. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  {NW} And county judge at the time it was built.
Interviewer:  #1 Well that's an interesting landmark. #
027:  #2 {NW} # {NW} My third one would be uh Montvale which is now a Y-M-C-A camp which was one of the Antebellum and on into the thirties
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  uh mountain #1 hotels with colleges and so forth. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm.
027:  And it also belonged to my family. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  Uh those to me would be the chief uh landmarks probably because of family and then I would just take them to the mountains. #1 Not #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  specifically to the national park but to the mountains.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  To see the beautiful areas that are all around us.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Within five miles you can just be in the heart of the wilderness.
Interviewer:  Really nice view. Up.
027:  Uh you aren't seeing it today we have we see three ranges.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
027:  On a clear day but these are the Smokey Mountains.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
027:  And so you're seeing only the Chilhowees.
Interviewer:  Mm. Mm-hmm.
027:  And uh on a clear day we see three ranges.
Interviewer:  Must be nice.
027:  Its lovely. That's why we moved out #1 here. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # I guess so. Now if you were gonna uh say catch a plane out of here where would you you go to catch the plane?
027:  McGhee Tyson.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Which is Knoxville's airport which is in Blount county which is seven minutes from my house.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Much closer to you than it is to me.
027:  Right. {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh yeah we say of a smaller one like the you know the Island Home Island?
027:  I don't even know where that is.
Interviewer:  Would you still call that an airport? A little small one like #1 that? #
027:  #2 Yeah. # Sure and there's also uh the Sky Ranch. Uh which went broke a couple of times it may not be in operation it was um sort of close to the uh Navy base out there.
Interviewer:  Mm. And was that
027:  The Navy reserve.
Interviewer:  a private?
027:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Club or? Just an air #1 strip? #
027:  #2 It was a little # air strip that was privately owned but publicly used for people with small planes
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
027:  #2 and they # also gave flying lessons.
Interviewer:  Now next group of questions are about kinds of roads and names for things like that uh uh the kind of highway like I-forty or I-seventy-five what would you call that kind of you'd say you you get on the?
027:  Interstate.
Interviewer:  And uh now the areas on the interstate where you might pull over to uh you know just to stop for a few minutes. You?
027:  The rest areas.
Interviewer:  What if about an area oh when you came off that you would where you would stop get uh let's see oh you'd stop and have uh get gasoline and food would you still call that a rest area?
027:  No no uh that's usually at an interchange.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. And uh the thing you would go down to get off of it?
027:  The ramp.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Called the same thing coming up?
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  That's a ramp too. And uh the.
027:  There's also a vegetable called a ramp.
Interviewer:  Yeah and they hold a festival on the Ramp Festival.
027:  Right.
Interviewer:  I've never eaten any or seen any.
027:  You don't want to #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 No? #
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What what is it like?
027:  I've never eaten any its like an onion that lasts a week. {NW} After you've eaten it. {NW}
Interviewer:  How I don't think I want any. I'm not crazy about onions.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  The uh the things painted down the road to help you know guide you what would you call the little yellow and white things? Painted down the middle of the #1 {X} #
027:  #2 Um. # Hmm. I usually just call 'em center stripes and they aren't center stripes anymore.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  But when I was gr-
Interviewer:  Center stripes?
027:  When I was growing up there weren't any but uh later on by the time I learned to drive they were center stripes and I don't know what they are now.
Interviewer:  Um now that when you know on like on an interstate we have a big grassy thing in the middle what would you call that?
027:  Oh that is um a median.
Interviewer:  Now you you've seen 'em like if you're going to Chattanooga they have just concrete and steel down the middle instead of uh.
027:  Uh yeah I would still call that a median because I don't know what else to call it.
Interviewer:  Me too.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} They're and you know they're limited ac- you know what it on the interstate its limited access you can only get on and off at certain points. #1 And do you know the #
027:  #2 Right. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
027:  #2 #
Interviewer:  roads like that in this area? That are limited access? Any other kinds of?
027:  Uh yes we also have roads which run parallel to the interstate so that you don't have to get on it at all if you're just going
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  a short distance and we have one very interesting little um place where you have egress from the interstate but you do not have access.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
027:  #1 And you have to #
Interviewer:  #2 What? #
027:  drive to the next town to get on it again.
Interviewer:  That's it {D: expect} w-what road is that? {D: Like that?}
027:  It's at White Pine no. I beg your pardon. It's at Dandridge.
Interviewer:  Now is Dandridge east of Knoxville?
027:  I'm not too good on north, south, #1 east, and west #
Interviewer:  #2 Is is it #
027:  but its northeast.
Interviewer:  Its not in Blount county is it?
027:  No. No its in um Jefferson county.
Interviewer:  Jefferson county. What about uh the uh mm say some of the main the the major roads in in Maryville Alcoa area?
027:  Um Main Street, Broadway whatever you wish to call it. Uh and then the old the old uh Knoxville highway.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  And the new Knoxville highway which is the #1 Alcoa #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  road.
Interviewer:  Okay.
027:  And uh yes four eleven. Which we call the new Niles Ferry.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And you came across it to the old #1 Niles Ferry #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  to come out here. Then the Montvale road which leads you to the uh Chilhowees.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  And closer mountains and uh if its open you really should take that uh scenic road, its closed half the time because there's a very strange form of sandstone which was discovered in the eighteen-hundreds by Professor Hesse and therefore its called Hesse's sandstone. And they built the road on it and if uh every three years the road crumbles away.
Interviewer:  Which road is this? The?
027:  Uh I can show it to you I can't think of the name of it. But it #1 is the. #
Interviewer:  #2 Where? # Where does it go when it?
027:  It um you go to Miller's cove you go up the uh {NW} the road to the mountains
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  Uh by the hospital
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Tuckaleechee Pike.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And uh go on up and you see a sign that says Miller's Cove and West Miller's Cove and whatever the scenic road is called and then it will either be closed or not. And if its closed it means this is the year its #1 crumbled away. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  I haven't had much chance to get out this year so I don't know but that is some of the most beautiful scenery that you can see #1 around here. #
Interviewer:  #2 Well I'm gonna have to to # I've never been there I'm gonna have to
027:  #1 It is perfectly gorgeous #
Interviewer:  #2 go in the morning. #
027:  and it takes you to Look Rock.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  It is supposed to connect up with the Foothills Parkway. That's what its called. And its supposed to connect up and go on
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and connect with the Appalachian Trail.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Eventually. And um it takes you to Look Rock which used to be the highest point where the Indians came across. The original road across here into Blount county from the mountains was built by the Indians and they were paid in calico.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
027:  And my mother who died in nineteen and seventy at the age of ninety-one remembered the Indians walking across and coming to Maryville to shop.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
027:  For #1 staples #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm.
027:  And they would come to Grandmother's house because they were cold and they wanted to warm
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and they would say cold as snow and rub themselves and Grandmother would give them food. And they would give her baskets in thanks for the food.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
027:  And my mother still had some of those baskets.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh? #
027:  #2 They got away # from us but uh I think its very interesting #1 to find someone #
Interviewer:  #2 It is, yeah. #
027:  who re- so recently #1 remembered #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  the fact #1 that the Indians #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  actually did walk across the mountains.
Interviewer:  And this is #1 down in? #
027:  #2 This is from Cherokee they came. #
Interviewer:  And Foothills Parkway that's what.
027:  That way.
Interviewer:  Okay I didn't know whether it was just.
027:  Mm-hmm. And uh Look Rock was the uh point where they started the road.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  And came down and across.
Interviewer:  In in from Cherokee over into Blount county?
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Hmm. I I had never come across I was unaware of that.
027:  Bit of local history.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. What about streets in this neighborhood? What are the major streets in the in the neighborhood here?
027:  We are one series of circles. There's Southwood Eastwood Northwood and Westwood.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And you just circle until you find your way in and out.
Interviewer:  That's the?
027:  And then that is.
Interviewer:  The whole neighborhood?
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Now is there a place that you have oh you like there's the highway runs under where a train goes over?
027:  Oh an underpass.
Interviewer:  What about if the situation's the other way around you #1 the train's. #
027:  #2 An overpass. #
Interviewer:  Overpass underpass mm. And uh they kind of parking you do so you won't. {X}
027:  I can't do it. {NW}
Interviewer:  Backing out?
027:  {NW} Parallel parking you mean. #1 Uh-uh. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
027:  {NW} Its too hard I can do it but it sure is hard work.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  I was never taught.
Interviewer:  Mm. I was one of the few people I know who didn't have to do that on a driving test.
027:  I didn't either.
Interviewer:  I didn't have to yeah. #1 {X} #
027:  #2 The man was afraid # to he wanted me out of the car. {NW}
Interviewer:  I guess maybe you were both lucky then he thought.
027:  {NW} No I I guess I did too because uh {NS} Bill had forgotten his wallet that day for the third time and they just come once a month and {NW} They were getting tired of sending me so he got a friend to take me and so I didn't have an accompanying driver to
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  pick up my car
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and so I did have to parallel park across from the courthouse where the curb curves.
Interviewer:  Oh.
027:  And uh but the {D: the termman} had already gotten out at the corner and said now you're on your own lady until you get in the courthouse so please be careful. {NW}
Interviewer:  That one I can see. He. {NW} #1 Would would you #
027:  #2 But #
Interviewer:  still call it parallel parking if you just say drove in beside the curb there were no other cars there would you just?
027:  I have a friend who does that she only parallel parks if there are three #1 spaces. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # She can drive in?
027:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What do you usually call the other kind of parking any?
027:  Uh.
Interviewer:  Can we just?
027:  I think that's called diagonal I'm not certain.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And then in parking lots like shopping centers where they're just lined up in a row I've never heard that called anything I don't know.
Interviewer:  Straight-in parking's what I've always is.
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  As opposed to to diagonal.
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  The uh place like Miller's in in Knoxville downtown does where you might park you might go in the uh?
027:  In the garage.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And uh old the the thing that the firemen use it to hook up their hoses to you'd call that the?
027:  Uh yes I think that would be called a hydrant.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. And uh.
027:  There's one out in the corner of the yard. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Well I guess you.
027:  But I never had thought about what it's called before.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. {NW} The uh in town we have a little small street like thing that runs behind buildings or between buildings you'd call that the?
027:  Alley.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And uh now.
027:  We have those too.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Oh here in?
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What are some of the taller buildings in in Maryville?
027:  We have one well we have two tall buildings. Uh the Blount National Bank is five stories high. And now uh I believe Blount Memorial Hospital has perhaps added a sixth story I'm not certain one of the wings may have six. If it does they still call it four but they're two floors where the elevator doesn't stop.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  One is surgery and one is storage.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. The uh any what what would your name be for just a tall building any generic name? Say very tall ones.
027:  Oh skyscrapers.
Interviewer:  And not any skyscrapers in town though.
027:  Nearest ones I know are in Atlanta.
Interviewer:  Oh. That's true there are not any in Knoxville either. Uh.
027:  One out of um {NS} Hamilton Bank which isn't the Hamilton Bank anymore. Its Jake Butcher's Bank.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  East Tennessee National I guess its called
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  is or was twenty-two stories. And that was the tallest.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  In Knoxville. We have a problem in Knox- well in this whole area. We're an area of limestone caves.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And if you get too much weight
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Uh collapse. I've uh had a car that was parked right behind me that had sunken to door level.
Interviewer:  Really?
027:  Uh-huh when I came back to park why this {NW} I couldn't get out because he'd parked very close to me and the the street was the street was cracking #1 because the uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. #
027:  he had parked a small pickup there.
Interviewer:  Well you know McClung Tower at at at UT is supposed to be sinking.
027:  Oh I hadn't heard that.
Interviewer:  I heard that very slow rate but
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  one especially one side more than the other #1 is is #
027:  #2 Oh. #
Interviewer:  is sinking slightly and they're going to have to do something about that. Uh its about I guess its twelve twelve floors or something.
027:  Yeah. And then it has that parking garage under #1 it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm that's right. #
027:  There's something I want you to find out for me.
Interviewer:  Okay.
027:  I'm I'm terribly concerned because the Volunteers' torch is no longer lit. Is that a symbolic measure for conservation that they blew it out?
Interviewer:  Well you know I hadn't I hadn't actually noticed but I I don't see how it would be some kind of con- conservation team because they still have the fountain in McClung tower going don't they?
027:  Right. Right across the street. But the Volunteers' torch hasn't been lit for at least a year now and that to me is #1 just. #
Interviewer:  #2 I've not # I've not #1 I don't know why. #
027:  #2 outrageous. #
Interviewer:  I'll find out why because they do the the fountain at McClung #1 is going most of the time and then #
027:  #2 You're right. #
Interviewer:  with the colored water at night.
027:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  And that would require as much energy.
027:  Much more than that little bitty gas switch would be like a
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  pilot light.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. I I I just don't know I oh maybe I don't know what its mechanical? But surely in a year they would have fixed a mechanical.
027:  Yeah. That bothers me. The Volunteers' torch should be held on there.
Interviewer:  I'll ask I'll ask uh around uh. And see. Somebody will know surely.
027:  Someone's {D: Mr. Namara} was gonna say but he's no longer with us.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Uh {NW} Oh say an apartment building that's ten or twelve floors what kind of apartment would you building would you call that? Any name for that?
027:  I suppose you're supposed to call it a high rise but I wouldn't. {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh I I'll guess there not really any in the area anyways.
027:  No but we're going in more to townhouses and that sort of thing.
Interviewer:  Are there many of apartment complexes in Maryville?
027:  Ju- well yes there are. I'm just not aware of them because there are I was taken out uh and shown two or three that someone was trying to get me to invest some money in and they were so poorly built that I wouldn't
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  conceivably have been interested. My father was a builder. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: I do.} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  Uh.
Interviewer:  I guess women learn what their their fathers do my wife's father's a heating and air conditioning contractor and when anybody around has something go wrong with the air conditioning you call Angela and she can uh she knows what's wrong with it and she can tell you what to do.
027:  That's fantastic.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
027:  I just know what my daddy did but I do know that what what a good building's supposed to look like. And uh you know that sort of thing. But yes there are quite a few apartments.
Interviewer:  What about the kind that that people where they buy the actual apartment?
027:  Oh we have none of those condominiums. None in Maryville that I'm aware of.
Interviewer:  Uh. Now we're talking about buildings and so forth a place where a building has been torn down and say nothing else has been built what would you call that? Just a?
027:  Vacant lot?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And uh now you know in a public place like Miller's if you wanted some water you'd go to the?
027:  Fountain.
Interviewer:  Would you still call it a fountain say if it were in a park or something like that?
027:  If it was for drinking uh and had little spouts for that purpose.
Interviewer:  Talking about parks are there park and you mentioned the the park in Alcoa are there parks in the area can you tell me something about?
027:  Yeah. This park behind the courthouse was the first public park we had and and we used to have little league down there then we have two amusement family amusement parks one of 'em this end of town and one on the other end which uh won architectural awards.
Interviewer:  Mm. #1 What are the the names of the parks? #
027:  #2 a few years ago # for um uh the little mazes #1 for the kids to climb and #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  forts in 'em and they have sand piles and most of the little leagues are played games are played there now and they have tennis courts and um they're just really very very nice and they have walking or bicycle paths while my husband was recuperating. Um I don't walk outside without crutches and so I would follow him in the car and he'd take him down to Sandy Springs Park which is not far here and even level.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And um he could walk for a mile along the edge of the creek.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And uh not have to get off and out of the way of more than four or five bicycles if he chose his time of day that was when school was #1 in session. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm # What are the names of those parks?
027:  Uh that is Sandy Springs and the other is Everett Hill I believe. And uh then we have a new consolidated county high school which is Heritage High. Which takes um in about five high schools and has a football stadium you wouldn't believe.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
027:  They built it before they built the school.
Interviewer:  Well.
027:  You know we're sort of football-minded around here. {NW}
Interviewer:  I thought that there were there three high schools in the Everett and Maryville and Heritage is that?
027:  Uh Everett will no longer exist as a high school it will be a secondary school. Now they're building a third one.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  To be ready in seventy-nine. We have about fifteen small high schools in the county.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Because Blount county is a large county.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Which is spread out some of those children have to leave home at five in the morning because they have to walk
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  to a road
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  before a bus can pick 'em #1 up. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm. The uh people in this area would they go to Maryville high school or?
027:  Yes we have now been taken into the city against our protest.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  And uh in honor of this we got eighty-nine street lights in this subdivision which we didn't want. And we get weekly garbage service which is I have no complaint about the garbage service except that before we were in the city we had service twice a week and the men wore white gloves and cleaned out the cans and the closet
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  and uh we paid two-fifty a month for this. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 That's unbelievable. #
027:  #2 {NW} # Now they come once a week and now as I say I have no complaints some of the neighbors do have {NS} complaints about the men leaving litter but they don't here.
Interviewer:  The uh the high schools here are they what grades do they?
027:  Oh now you've got me.
Interviewer:  Are they?
027:  The high schools now #1 are are ten eleven twelve. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Ten through twelve?} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # And then do they have a?
027:  A junior high a mid a mid school seven eight and nine.
Interviewer:  And then elementary one through
027:  And uh well then you have a required year of kindergarten and I don't know what that's called.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  And the Alcoa has a new elementary school which is supposed to be one of the finest in the south but and its very interesting and its right back to the little red schoolhouse no partitions and you go now to the blue carpet or the red carpet or
Interviewer:  Hmm.
027:  whatever and you can't hear yourself except that they have little booths where they can plug themselves into television and do what they want to.
Interviewer:  I don't think I've ever seen a school like that before.
027:  Its uh just across the duck pond out in Alcoa out Springbrook road. And uh
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  I'm sh- uh sure that the teachers are there moving and so forth and would be interested in showing you through #1 because #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
027:  they're very proud #1 of it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm yeah. #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Never even known that that kind of school existed but then
027:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  its been a long time since I've been in an elementary school.
027:  Mm-hmm. Its very very interesting I don't approve of it
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  Uh we also have team teaching
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm mm-hmm.
027:  in the high schools.
Interviewer:  I don't know much about high school.
027:  #1 Well team teaching is a #
Interviewer:  #2 Its very foreign. #
027:  totally new concept and I know about it cause I have a good friend who {NW} has been doing it for several years.
Interviewer:  It seem to work fairly well or?
027:  Yeah. They're very pleased with it.
Interviewer:  We uh talked about roads and so forth a little while ago. What I wanna ask you about now are different kinds of cars not brand names not Ford or Chevrolet but different types or or styles for example uh oh small cars maybe with two bucket seats and uh uh maybe in the thirties and forties sometimes had outside seats. #1 That what did you call that kind of car? #
027:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
027:  #2 # That was a see if I can remember the term I was taught. It was a cabriolet something I have forgotten. But anyway we called it a coupe.
Interviewer:  Coupe?
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Would they have the rumble seats on them?
027:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 And #
027:  #2 Oh yes # indeed and two little steps to get up.
Interviewer:  {NW} Yes ma'am. A car which that has uh four doors what kind would you call that?
027:  A sedan.
Interviewer:  What about if it has just two doors and you have to bend over and get in the backseat like that?
027:  I don't know that's what I drive. But um
Interviewer:  Would you call that a sedan too or?
027:  Uh no I call it a two door car.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  Mainly I call it a Thunderbird #1 cause that's what #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  #1 it is. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yes. # Yes ma'am. What about these big ones that maybe the airport might send out that you see?
027:  A limousine.
Interviewer:  Would you ever uh the term limousine for anything besides the kind of thing the airport would send out?
027:  Oh yes. I had a uh Lincoln Continental and uh until I drove it into a tree
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  and it was definitely a limousine.
Interviewer:  So that's a big luxury car too.
027:  It was. It was a four-door I wanted it two door but I got a four-door because uh but it was upholstered in leather as opposed to uh plastic #1 and uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh wow. #
027:  in in my estimation it is the best car made in America. After that I would put a Rolls-Royce which I wouldn't have because of the maintenance #1 problem. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Mm-hmm.
027:  And uh my neighbor had a Rolls-Royce and I had all the fun of riding in it and getting all the pleasure from it and none of the
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  #1 heartache of #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
027:  waiting six months for a part to #1 come from England. #
Interviewer:  #2 I guess so. # I guess so. Now the uh any name or kind of slang term for a large or say a very pretentious car one that you thought was kind of pretentious any term you might apply to that?
027:  Oh what did I hear? Uh. Just last weekend I think my husband's partner was talking about a joy wagon. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Joy wagon? #
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am.
027:  That was one his chil- a term his children had used.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
027:  #2 I # don't know if that's.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. And the kind that you can let the seats down in the back and give you extra cargo space oh um? And to tailgate you.
027:  A station wagon I finally got rid of my husband's.
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  He got rid of it.
Interviewer:  He didn't like that very much?
027:  I hate 'em. I was like they're just a truck with seats in it and they're not comfortable.
Interviewer:  I've never owned one or don't know that I've ever ridden in a station wagon.
027:  You are fortunate. I assured my husband that he had just joined the young mothers he loved it. He adored it. Because he likes to fish.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  #1 And I got him an #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
027:  electric wr- winch
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and so he could back the car down and get in the boat and winch it up and then just walk in the back window.
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  #1 You can see why he liked it. #
Interviewer:  #2 That makes sense. Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm. Yes ma'am.
027:  But it was not comfortable t- and strangely enough I couldn't see out of it.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
027:  Because I'm used to looking out certain little spaces and the fact that the whole thing was open #1 never #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  appeared to occurred to me.
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  And I was always fussing about I couldn't see out of the thing when I had to drive it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. What about you mentioned trucks what kind of small trucks would would in the maybe an individual owns?
027:  Pickups.
Interviewer:  What about the kind with a closed bed that maybe a florist might use for delivery? What would your term be for that?
027:  For that I would call it a delivery truck for the type that Thomas the yard man {D: got} uses which many many people around here own because they do a lot of fishing and camping over the weekends. Uh you call it a pickup with a a camper top on it.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Those delivery types of trucks are most of those are they open the kind that open from the side or from the back? Or would it would it make #1 {X} #
027:  #2 Either way. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
027:  #2 #
Interviewer:  And uh now what about there is there public transportation in Maryville like in Knoxville are there?
027:  No. None. Well taxis.
Interviewer:  But no uh? Uh.
027:  No buses.
Interviewer:  And uh {NS} questions about the part of a car that part of the car where the instruments and all are the speedometer and so forth what would you call that?
027:  The instrument panel.
Interviewer:  And if the uh uh part where you might keep some maps or something it'd be in the?
027:  Well in that car I have a glove compartment and I have a console.
Interviewer:  The console down in the?
027:  Between the two front seats.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And it also has the garbage can in it.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. And uh where the where you would keep your tire would be back in your?
027:  Trunk.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And uh the thing you would mash to get it to go would be the?
027:  That's the accelerator.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And uh then the the thing that you would shift to put it in reverse would be uh?
027:  {NW} I've never driven one of those but its a gear shift. {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call it if its an automatic would you still call it a gear shift?
027:  I suppose so. Yeah #1 cause you shift from. #
Interviewer:  #2 Same thing as if it's down in the # floor?
027:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  And uh uh the things that say in apartment complexes or in the shopping centers the little humps there that you have to slow down for?
027:  Traffic breaks.
Interviewer:  They will mess up your alignment won't they?
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  I do not like them. But they are necessary.
Interviewer:  I guess so. You hit those things going very fast and you'll you'll mess up your alignment and your.
027:  I had just had my car aligned
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  and they had put one in down here at the Seven Eleven store and I didn't know it.
Interviewer:  Mm.
027:  And it was about the size of a telephone pole. {NS} #1 How lovely. #
Interviewer:  #2 That's enough to do some damage. #
027:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
027:  Uh-huh. It had to go right back and be aligned again.
Interviewer:  Say uh if you if you had some maps or something what might you put around them to hold 'em together you might?
027:  A rubber band.
Interviewer:  Any other terms you might use for that? just always rubber band?
027:  Mm-hmm. Unless you tied 'em with a string.
Interviewer:  And what about a a something you might clip papers together with?
027:  A jam clip.
Interviewer:  Any other terms you might use there?
027:  A paper clip {NS}
Interviewer:  Now uh what what kind of vehicles would the say the fire department in Maryville use? What kinds of?
027:  We have a nineteen and twenty-eight LaFrance. And we have a nineteen and seventy-six LaFrance.
Interviewer:  Are these what kind of are these trucks or?
027:  Uh they are fire engines.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  And then we have another one. We are well-equipped and then we have a county fire department also.
Interviewer:  These the trucks are there what k- are they the the kinds with the ladders or the?
027:  They have extension ladders. And they are bright red and they will let little boys sit on them.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
027:  #2 {NW} # And sometimes they have a dalmatian he doesn't live long but uh they try to keep one around.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. The uh the truck that the kind of fire truck that oh just uh pumps water what what kinda do you have a name for that kind of fire truck?
027:  I suppose its a pumper I didn't know there was such a thing.
Interviewer:  I think so I don't know much #1 about it myself. #
027:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 #
027:  #2 #
Interviewer:  What about the kind that that would have a a lot of the ladders and everything extension the long extension ladders any name special name for that kind of truck?
027:  Just the aerial ladders.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  A ladder truck I suppose.
Interviewer:  Ever seen the kind of I've well they probably just {NW} you've probably just seen this on TV I guess or maybe in a large city where its got kind of a crane like and firemen can get up there and?
027:  Oh sure a cherrypicker.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And uh well I I oh I guess I'd only seen those on TV.
027:  The electric system uses little ones. To change light bulbs.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And the the kind of truck say that paramedics might use can you name for me?
027:  {NW} Oh yes. Ambulances.
Interviewer:  Mm. Then the am- those very ambulances are they van-like for you
027:  Yeah. And they are equipped with everything they took my husband to the hospital in one last October. And he was just about gone and they gave him oxygen. They had him in the hospital in ten minutes.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  #1 They had #
Interviewer:  #2 What? #
027:  fantastic service. And this was the #1 rescue squad. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I guess most most towns have started to get those I remember well only in the last eight or ten years.
027:  Yeah right.
Interviewer:  {D: These people.} {D: That looks kind of plain.} The uh car that the chief would drive any special name for? {NS}
027:  I suppose its a chief's car I don't know.
Interviewer:  And what about vehicles that maybe the police department would use kinds different kinds of vehicles?
027:  Oh.
Interviewer:  Say.
027:  Now there you've got me there would be number one which would be the chief's car and then there would be patrol cars
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
027:  and um {NW} then there's are all the cute little unmarked ones with the radar on them. {NW} And uh then we have one motorcycle policeman in Maryville.
Interviewer:  Mm. #1 What #
027:  #2 And # he gets hot these days. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Well I guess so. # Have you ever seen the kind of truck maybe there were a whole group of people misbehaving doing something wrong and the kind of thing they'd take a whole group down?
027:  Oh yes that's the Black Maria.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. When I was a kid there was a I was a patrol boy and uh the the big event of the year was we got to ride down to the police station in one #1 of those and it was a big event. #
027:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
Interviewer:  We were very pleased about that. {NW} In Knoxville what what kind of aircraft might the police department use to patrol traffic? {D: And lightning?}
027:  Oh a helicopter.
Interviewer:  Yep.