027:  {NS} Her she's a medical technologist and she says now she has the works for her airplane and uh she has even gotten her instrument license.
Interviewer:  Oh really? {X}
027:  {NW} Well she flew in the powderpuff derby this year.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm I guess {X} didn't do anything like that but one day I will. {D: I could uh}
027:  I um about four years ago was out in Arizona in a charter
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  plane and had him fly up over the grand canyon.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And we had a fantastic time.
Interviewer:  I guess so that would've been {D: nice} we you know we {C: cut off}
027:  that was the only time I've ever been in a little plane.
Interviewer:  Well we we flew over the grand canyon we were about thirty thousand feet
027:  Yeah now that I had done many times and I {C: tape distorted} because Bill's relatives live in the west and so it's the easiest way to get there.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  By far we drove once But um I knew I would never get there on foot or on mule back so I just charted a plane and just pa-
027:  #1 And just pa- a- {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: What about the uh} #
027:  It was a real thrill.
Interviewer:  We were talking about policemen.
027:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Firemen and so forth any any other names that you hear for for them or? {D: Take} someone who works at the fire station is probably just a?
027:  I would call him a policeman I have heard other terms used but mainly on television. I do hear um my friends in alcoholics anonymous call the patrol car the peanut wagon.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  And I don't know why it has to do with the blue lights on top. That's the only other term I have heard anyone use. {C: background noise}
Interviewer:  Firefighters you call them?
027:  Firemen.
Interviewer:  And no {C: the tape cuts out} and no other?
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  Any for policemen any pejorative kind of terms? {C: repetitive in reel} and no other?
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  Any for policemen or any pejorative kind of terms or? {NW} anything like that say uh derogatory terms?
027:  #1 As I say on television and #
Interviewer:  #2 mm-hmm {X} #
027:  but not personally
Interviewer:  And what about the place where they keep the firetruck and all the?
027:  #1 Oh the fire hall. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: hoses} #
027:  It's in the city hall in fact.
Interviewer:  mm It's placed placed down there too?
027:  Yes.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm What about the place where they lock you up {D: if you} for misbehaving or something.
027:  Well that place it's the county jail {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Yeah um the uh uh
027:  It's pretty horrible
Interviewer:  I guess so. The uh they probably can't put they might lock up a drunk or something.
027:  {C: tape repeats}
Interviewer:  {C: tape repeats}
027:  {C: tape repeats}
Interviewer:  {C: tape repeats}
027:  it's a drunk tank.
Interviewer:  And uh Wha- what kind of weapons uh things for protection might a policeman carry?
027:  Um I'm not certain they used to be req- uh required to carry a billy stick and not a gun. I think now they are also required or permitted a gun. {X} a handgun.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm uh I remember my grandfather was the only policeman in the whole town for years. He carried a old black jack and I'm sure it's probably illegal now but {X} #1 pocket like that #
027:  #2 Oh. #
Interviewer:  I'm sure that's illegal now. I don't think he ever used it but he did carry it.
027:  Well that would've been good deterrent.
Interviewer:  I kinda think so um now A a couple questions about kinds of storms uh. Can you just name a few high high wind storms high wind storms for example you would in Florida you might say?
027:  Oh a hurricane.
Interviewer:  Or out in Kansas you might get hit by a?
027:  A dust storm.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm A one with the big funnel would be a?
027:  A tornado and we've had one here.
Interviewer:  Oh really? I didn't realize they were this quite as far.
027:  Oh they don't often come and my husband he was raised in Mississippi looked up and said that looks like a tornado cloud and we were in the car and before we had gone five minutes it had funneled down here.
Interviewer:  Y- yes that's how we how I grew up just outside of Montgomery Alabama was hit by a a tornado and it leveled the whole section just a tremendous amount of damage and uh and uh so I've always been frightened of 'em.
027:  #1 mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  #2 those things # What about the kind of storm you might have where you get freezing rain and or rain and then right after it rains it just freezes?
027:  Hail
Interviewer:  mm-hmm And uh what about if it's maybe after after it's quit raining and suddenly the temperature dropping just freezes then Uh makes a lot of ice and things.
027:  Hoar frost.
Interviewer:  mm And uh I never really never seen much snow or ice until I came here I think I'd seen snow twice before I came to Knoxville and saw enough last winter to last me a while.
027:  {NW} {NW} Yes.
Interviewer:  The uh
027:  That's the most we've had now we can go for winters and not have any. #1 We can go #
Interviewer:  #2 It snowed #
027:  for winters and not wear our coat.
Interviewer:  In Alabama it snowed in Montgomery outside Montgomery in nineteen sixty two and then again or well it was nineteen sixty-two and then again in nineteen sixty-four. And that was it up here.
027:  {C: laughs}
Interviewer:  Can't remember the
027:  It's not
Interviewer:  everything
027:  as much fun as you think
Interviewer:  That's true true. Uh next question's about kinds of crime and so forth. A woman who sells herself for for money you call her a?
027:  Prostitute.
Interviewer:  And uh any other names that you might normally use?
027:  No not normally. I've heard a few but I can't think of 'em just off hand.
Interviewer:  #1 What about #
027:  #2 {D: oh whore} #
Interviewer:  What about the building where a group of 'em might work the prostitutes any name for that?
027:  A house um a house of ill repute which is going back to victorian times.
Interviewer:  I guess it really would be in an area where it's leg- illegal obviously to be any {X} I guess {X}.
027:  Oh oh there's some but uh They're usually mrs so and so's house.
Interviewer:  And then the the uh the the manager of a of a group of prostitutes any name for?
027:  The madame.
Interviewer:  And what if what if it's a man rather than a woman who's the manager?
027:  I am not certain. I am not certain if a pimp manages one or a group.
Interviewer:  That's what I heard in Tampa I think.
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  I I think either way as far as I know. Uh and uh say someone who you might find downtown drinking cheap {X} didn't doesn't have a job or anything maybe on Gay street offer cheap wines and so forth what would you call him?
027:  Several things but wino is {NW} most acceptable.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm That was tha- th- that the same thing as a drunk would you?
027:  No. A drunk I think of is someone who has a home.
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  And a wino I think of is someone who sleeps under the gay street bridge.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
027:  And they do.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm mm-hmm I've driven down there a few times at night. The first night I was in Knoxville I thought I'd go downtown.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  That was where I went uh Now say someone who I mean he's a wino but he doesn't have a job wanders around from place to place any name for him? Or maybe one that catches trains you know {D: lawless}?
027:  Oh a hobo.
Interviewer:  What about if he's not necessarily somebody who'd catch trains and just doesn't have a job? No {X}.
027:  A drifter um a bum I really don't know.
Interviewer:  Any name for the kinds of hotels that would cater to say bums and drifters? That kind of thing.
027:  Um No there are cheap hotels by the railroad track usually except there's seldom a railroad track anymore.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  I am sure there is a name and I should've picked it up on television but.
Interviewer:  Cheap hotels and all that {D: Alright I heard of flop house you heard of flop house}?
027:  Oh yeah. Twenty-five cents.
Interviewer:  And that would be th- like a cheap same thing maybe?
027:  Except a little worse I think.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  I think of a cheap hotel as as having a room to yourself it may not have anything in it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh
027:  A little bed. but a flop house I think of as a place with mattresses or straw ticking or something.
Interviewer:  And uh now uh {NW} What are the the kinds of illegal drugs that people using now? A few kinds of those that you've probably heard of or?
027:  Oh sure uh I'm not up on the current names. of course there's marijuana or pot
Interviewer:  Okay
027:  which is I don't know if it's a drug or not. And cocaine and then I think of and this is strictly from ring crystal angel dust and
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  uh fruit salad that's a few years back when the kids got.
Interviewer:  Oh fruit salad I don't think I've ever.
027:  They got everything in mama's medicine cabinet
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  mixed it all up and took a little bit of everything took a handful. {X}?
Interviewer:  I guess it did. And someone who's a got a has a habit a drug habit you'd call him a?
027:  Addict.
Interviewer:  mm And what about someone who's uh selling the drugs illegally or?
027:  He's a drug seller.
Interviewer:  And um is this usually somebody who um doesn't use but just?
027:  Now he's too smart to use.
Interviewer:  I guess so. An- and what about say uh money do you have any slang expressions or other terms you might use for money?
027:  No you're looking for bread but #1 it's not a term I would use. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # And uh what about the place you might take and sell rings you wanted to just?
027:  The pawn shop.
Interviewer:  And uh now the uh the kinds of wines that a wino might drink any generic name for that kind of thing? No- not brand names.
027:  Just cheap cheap cheapest you can get.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm What about better kinds that you might have for dinner or something what kind of different kinds of brand names for?
027:  I prefer white I will say. I like the dry ones.
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  And uh there are an- and the lighter ones uh. I like to cook with the heavier ones and the red ones.
Interviewer:  And uh what's the you'd say the worst section in town? Think about somebody in gay street something in Knoxville th- where you might have a lot of um old bums and so forth. What would you call that any?
027:  We avoid it. {C: says while laughing} {NW}
Interviewer:  Is there?
027:  uh I don't know I was going to say slum but that doesn't really suit the area because that's where people live also.
Interviewer:  Ever used skid row now?
027:  Oh. I've used the term for years but it refers to a certain street in Maryville that's slick when it rains {C: laughing}.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh #
027:  #2 {NW} # Well I used it in that sense teasing the people that live there.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  You're right.
Interviewer:  So you would {D: use that}?
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  And uh now say a a movie house that shows just X rated films and so forth any name for that kind of movie house?
027:  Porno house.
Interviewer:  Porno house mm-hmm. And uh and you were throwing out garbage the man who comes and picks up your trash any name for what would you call him? He's a?
027:  He's the garbage man {NW}.
Interviewer:  And the one that delivers your mail?
027:  Um I'm going to quote the young lad who's the receptionist where I get my hair done because I think it's fantastic. It's the mail person.
Interviewer:  Ah the mail person.
027:  And he just cracks up every time he says good morning mr mail person. And how are you this morning? {NW}
Interviewer:  I guess so. {D: There's that way}.
027:  Normally he would be the mailman.
Interviewer:  What about the person who is able to gain lots of favors and all at the city hall or he has a he's able to get things done you'd say he has a lot of?
027:  pull
Interviewer:  And uh ever heard of a situation where where someone is maybe on the state or city or county federal but really doesn't have any any responsibilities or job?
027:  oh yes
Interviewer:  What would you call him any special name or?
027:  Uh no my husband could give you several but I can't.
Interviewer:  That's fine. Now the uh places where you might find groceries the the kinds of different kinds of stores a big one like A and P or Krogers you call that a?
027:  A supermarket.
Interviewer:  What about small ones in the neighborhoods that maybe you just will get a loaf of bread or something like that?
027:  Well the only thing we have would be the Quickie the seven eleven that sort of thing
Interviewer:  But you don't-
027:  We don't have any family grocery stores anymore.
Interviewer:  Did you when you were coming up as a?
027:  Oh yes. That's where I learned to buy groceries.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm mm-hmm And uh what about the kind of store you might go to uh that specialize in sandwiches you know and uh and uh meats?
027:  Uh we're just getting them here they're called delis delicatessens.
Interviewer:  I I don't think I'd really ever come into contact with those until I came up here. Had never really seen delicatessens.
027:  Ha- have you been out to the um oh somebody ta- {D: Aesop's} Table.
Interviewer:  I don't think so.
027:  It is good.
Interviewer:  Where is that?
027:  It's just before you get to the old airport.
Interviewer:  Where is that I?
027:  It's right beyond the new airport. {NW} It's used as a an administrative building. And there's a group of buildings on the right. There's a a Phillips Sunoco station.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And there's a a brick building there and in the front of the building. It's something like the pots and pans or something it's the aluminum company outlet.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  for their wherever. And in the back is {D: Aesop's} Table.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And they have the best french onion soup I have eaten in a long time. Because they put about that much #1 {X} {NW}. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
027:  And you go through all the little lines you wait on yourself totally.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And uh they have a s- a limited but very good menu and a south bar. It's popular.
Interviewer:  I'll stop there sometime.
027:  And uh Bill's secretary considers it expensive I don't. But I don't have two teenagers to fill up when I go out. Is probably the reason.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh {D: Yeah} that's true.
027:  {C: laughs}
Interviewer:  Now you talked {D: with me} {X} talk about things to fry in the kind you plug up fry what you call that?
027:  An electric skillet.
Interviewer:  And what about the these kinds of ovens that say you want a um heat something in a hurry cook something in a hurry what would you call those?
027:  {NW} The love of my life microwave.
Interviewer:  And they really s- save a lot of time.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  It has totally revised my I had to learn to cook all over again.
Interviewer:  Ah.
027:  It's wonderful.
Interviewer:  Uh the uh place you might u- take if you didn't have a washer dryer at home you might go and do your?
027:  A laundromat.
Interviewer:  And then and you might sort your clothes into a {D: lid} you call that a?
027:  Hamper.
Interviewer:  And uh oh you didn't want to sweep you might use a what to clean the {X} you might use a?
027:  A vacuum.
Interviewer:  And uh the bag in there what would you call? Any special name for?
027:  Bag.
Interviewer:  And uh what about {D: if you went to} mop a little thing you might have water in in a plastic thing you call that a?
027:  Now you're talking about the bucket? Okay
Interviewer:  And uh these things you take the trash in?
027:  Compactor.
Interviewer:  And uh oh the thing out in outside you might have to put the trash in the uh?
027:  Garbage can.
Interviewer:  What about these big green ones that the trucks take to the dump?
027:  They're Dempster dumpsters made in Knoxville.
Interviewer:  {C: laughs and stutters} generic name as well as a a brand name {X}.
027:  It has it was invented by a good friend of of Bill's father. And he made a mint.
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  And uh the man who is in charge of a funeral you call him a?
027:  I call him {X}. You would probably call him the funeral director.
Interviewer:  Do the people you ever hear the people use the term undertaker or {X}?
027:  Yes we used to use that constantly but I think funeral director has taken its place.
Interviewer:  And uh The vehicle that you would {X} that would take the casket in would be the?
027:  The hearse.
Interviewer:  And then the b- buildings where you {D: for internment would be} where you might?
027:  Oh a mausoleum.
Interviewer:  I don't think I've ever seen one of those.
027:  My uncle's in one.
Interviewer:  The uh any other name for cigarettes any other terms that you ever use them in?
027:  Um Good grief I ought to have lots of those my husband's smoked for
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  I don't know how many years. But he hadn't had one since October the third.
Interviewer:  That is {D: nice}.
027:  Uh I'm real proud Because I know he'd smoked since he was sixteen I don't know how much longer. Five packs a day.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm Alright.
027:  Um that's what it leads to see don't do it I- oh- what I keep thinking of is the wrong terms. I'm getting back into marijuana you know. Reefers and things like that. Um Cigarettes are the only thing I can think of at the moment.
Interviewer:  mm Uh now say you had a room in the house that's designed for maximum sunlight has a lot of windows maybe even a glass roof what would you call that kind of room? Any name for that?
027:  We call ours the atrium.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  I think you were looking for a sunroom probably or a florida room.
Interviewer:  Are they a- are all those the same thing are there differences?
027:  Uh w- yes. The sunroom uh came probably in the thirties.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And was the glass just a glass room. And then later they started with the glass roof they they started that and then I got to calling it my florida room which is sort of silly.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  {C: laughs} And in ours we uh went back all the way through architecture to the Greek house.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  Where the atrium was the cool place with the rain water where you came in and cooled yourself and enjoyed the flowers while you rested from the heat.
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  But we put it in the middle of the house for obvious reasons
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  since we {C: laughs} didn't expect people to really walk through it And we wanted to put flowers orchids in there mainly.
Interviewer:  Sounds nice. D- do you have any formal or informal relaxation where you might have a T-V and a {X} what would you? You call that a?
027:  Most people call it a family room we uh have our T-V sets in the bedrooms.
Interviewer:  The uh family room tha- do you ever use the term den or does that mean something different or?
027:  A den to me is a little room my daddy had at home that was strictly his den and he had a couch and bookshelves and sometimes of transactive business in there and often napped in there and. That is an entirely different thing.
Interviewer:  And uh now say a room that has uh a toilet or or a sink but not a bathtub or?
027:  A lavatory.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm Uh say you had a house and you have one complete bathroom and that you'd say you have one?
027:  A bath and a half. W- which is a strange thing to me.
Interviewer:  Maybe.
027:  {C: laughs}
Interviewer:  Everybody seems to use it though.
027:  That's the correct terminology.
Interviewer:  Wha- what kind of say {D: heated little} would you have in your house now what are? And cooling things and and {X} as girl coming up can you tell me about?
027:  Oh yes as a girl coming up we had a furnace. Had a fire built in it each morning and we had steam running through radiators.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  And uh Then Bill and I have been through each system as we've gone along and ri- we are amused with all the uh emphasis on the heat pump right now because we put in a heat pump when we built the house fifteen years ago. And uh it was guaranteed for five years. And it blew up in sixty two months and we called our nephew who is an engineer expecting he would do sympathize with us and he said God what a magnificent job of engineering. {C: laughs} So now we heat in the winter with gas. And we cool in the summer with electricity and the whole thing is outside the house.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  In a closet. And uh Well there's uh the air conditioning sits right outside. Then Bill does his office just the opposite.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  They cool with gas and heat with electricity.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  So we're still trying - there is no perfect system.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm mm-hmm
027:  That I have to say.
Interviewer:  mm I guess I would. Looking for houses in Atlanta we were told to get if possible gas and air heat and no gas or air and heat because of the expense of electricity is so expensive.
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  Georgia Power says it's much more expensive than T-B-A.
027:  Well uh we're just now heading it the T-B-A rates are coming up because for a thousand years we've had the lowest rates in the country.
Interviewer:  I think the highest cost we have an all electrical {D: farm} and the highest utility bill we've ever had is a is about thirty dollars thirty-five dollars. T- to me unbelievable but but you probably.
027:  That's what we pay monthly for the {C: laughs} electricity to run the motor to have at the swimming pool.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
027:  {C: laughs} And the light switch are on very little.
Interviewer:  T- to me that's unbelievable that we could we could get by with.
027:  That's incredible.
Interviewer:  I know. And u- that's usually in the spring or fall it's not that much.
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  {D: in fact we were cautioned that} you know fifty to a hundred dollars in Georgia so.
027:  yeah
Interviewer:  I'm really ready for that. They talked about a couple of kinds of architecture kinds of houses. These are unusual kinds of one is very {X} in Alabama uh small rural homes. Usually consist of two rooms one here one there. And in the middle a big open space but the roof would cover it.
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  the roof goes all the way across but it's completely open to the any name for?
027:  Is it modern or old?
Interviewer:  Old.
027:  Okay it's a dog trot.
Interviewer:  Dog trot most people in this area aren't familiar with that term are there any dog trot houses here?
027:  The last one in the county was torn down about two years ag- the last one that I know of. About two or three years ago.
Interviewer:  It's very common in Alabama common kind of
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  [D: more architecture} Was it was it fairly common here at one time or?
027:  I haven't the faintest idea because it's before my time. But uh these were friends of ours and they did in later years put glass doors at each end of dog trot they didn't try to heat it. But they at least kept the weather out.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm Now a house maybe a three or four room house where you can open all these doors and see straight through from one end to the other?
027:  A shotgun.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  That's New Orleans.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm Ever seen the kind of house that has a long entry hall and then a big room or to a you know at a ninety degree angle? {X} that entry hall with a big room like that got a ninety degree angle you ever seen that kind of house?
027:  I don't think so is that room the foyer or? The foyer ought to be the hall. Or near the hall
Interviewer:  This is this is uh in a modest town dwelling that one big room you know just a large single room and then a hallway?
027:  I haven't the faintest idea.
Interviewer:  I don't I don't I don't think {D: you say that kind of thing}.
027:  I think mrs Williams is building something like that um. She's building as as old-timey a house as she can and she's having one big room and one bedroom two bedrooms. One of which will be a work room cuz she sews and pots and
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  does everything under the sun and one bath.
Interviewer:  mm Did you ever see the kind of situation where you have a number of houses together in a whole building?
027:  Oh Baltimore roadhouses.
Interviewer:  Not any in this area? I don't believe I've ever seen them either?
027:  Th- I don't think it would well yes um some of the commercial buildings have common walls. I was gonna say i- but the same person owns all the ground.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  When they do and I believe in Baltimore you own both the ground and the house Although you have the common law.
Interviewer:  You don't have the law I guess.
027:  {C: laughs}
Interviewer:  mm-kay The uh uh I guess it's New York City something like this people own apartments the cover the whole floor but
027:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Any name for that?
027:  Um
Interviewer:  {NW}
027:  that's a little too elegant for me I {NW} I haven't the faintest idea Wm, would that be a flat?
Interviewer:  mm-hmm That's what I I heard {D: I read} but I ain't never seen one in my life including {X}.
027:  I have and it wasn't elegant at all. It was under the subway in Chicago.
Interviewer:  Oh.
027:  I worked at a camp and I went home with one of my little boys.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  Uh to visit him his father fed the animals at the zoo.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  And his mother was out doing housework.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  And you could've eaten off the floor.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  But they had a flat and it was
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  the whole floor
Interviewer:  mm
027:  in that section.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  They had I would say two or three bedrooms a kitchen and a living room.
Interviewer:  Except for Atlanta I really had never been in a a large city.
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  Other than Birmingham I guess is the next thing next biggest.
027:  Yeah
Interviewer:  But I really and I've never seen anything like th- row houses or or flats. Although shotgun houses are very common in Alabama. dog trots all over the place especially though in out in the country. There's tons of those.
027:  Well they still have the wooden shutters instead of u- instead of windows.
Interviewer:  Most people now they don't put in windows and so forth but I have been the house that my grandmother grew up in still stands it was built in eighteen about eighteen sixty five sixty-six right after the war between the states.
027:  uh-huh
Interviewer:  And it still had some wooden sh- shutters. It still in pretty good shape it was built out of logs.
027:  Yeah
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  The first o- and only one of those I've ever seen although they were very common here was in Alabama.
Interviewer:  The uh if you go to Montgomery you will {D: get the opportunity to} say please can I take two #1 {X} #
027:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  Right outside of Wetumka just north of Wetumka There's a two story dog trot believe it or not sure is.
027:  well how did the dogs get upstairs
Interviewer:  #1 {C: laughs} #
Interviewer:  #2 It was completely open # with two stories. But it's a big big two story house roof built over straight through. It's a very nice home. It really is just a beautiful home.
027:  Wouldn't that be a lovely way to commit suicide?
Interviewer:  I guess so.
027:  {C: laughs} In your sleep maybe.
Interviewer:  But it's a a big I've never seen any other two story dog trot.
027:  Well i- that may be the only one.
Interviewer:  But
027:  They didn't know how to build a house
Interviewer:  Still in good shape. The uh uh man who's in {X} charge of the upkeep of apartment building you'd call him the?
027:  Hmm you could call him the manager or the custodian depending on what type of upkeep he's in charge of.
Interviewer:  Say if he did more menial tasks what would you call him?
027:  Custodian.
Interviewer:  mm That tha- that's the same as a janitor?
027:  Yes that's a pretty term for janitor.
Interviewer:  And uh
027:  And if he were a lady you would be the housekeeper.
Interviewer:  We talked about kinds of houses and so forth any unique kinds of architecture in this area a- a modest or modest homes? Uh like a shotgun house or something like that a dog trot anything that's unique maybe {X}?
027:  Uh the bungalow.
Interviewer:  What now what is that like?
027:  That was built right after world war one.
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  So that all the soldiers coming back could have houses.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And my father and his brothers built a whole town of them it's called bungalow town. And you can drive through bungalow town and see them. Although many of them e- expanded and but they had a front porch and a living room and kitchen off the living room and a bedroom in front of the kitchen and then a couple of bedrooms
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  in the back and a back porch. And they had a garden space. And they grandmothers and grandfathers but they lived in town.
Interviewer:  {NW} Yes ma'am.
027:  But they had a farm. They lived on Houston street which was by a Presbyterian church if you uh.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  Uh the house was torn down a couple of years ago it was typical victorian. And their farm extended on well the bypass through the bypass and on back.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And they had a colored family that ran lived back there and ran the farm.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  Except for four cows and grandfather had a barn and four cows. Because he had four sons and that way he knew where his boys were at dawn and at dusk.
Interviewer:  {C: laughs} I guess so being {X}
027:  {C: laughs} And each one was in charge of his cow and selling the milk.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  {C: laughs}
Interviewer:  What kind of a yard put if you do to say keep up a lawn can you tell me about the name of doing things you might?
027:  Oh yes. We'd use a lawn mower.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  Just a plain old power mower.
Interviewer:  Gasoline?
027:  Gasoline. Because my husband does not believe in riding mowers because they make ridges.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  And these lots out here are an acre and we have two lots.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And our yard man is getting a little complainy about that lawn mower.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  And uh then you have a rake.
Interviewer:  Different kinds of rakes?
027:  Oh yes you have a leaf rake
Interviewer:  {C: coughs}
027:  and you have a a deeper rake to rake uh gravel.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  Saw.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And you use hose Both H-O-S-E and H-O-E-S. And you use picks and mattocks.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And I'll just be glad to go out and name the whole category for you.
Interviewer:  What about do you have a garden something like how you garden with?
027:  Oh we got rid of that {NS} That's a rototiller.
Interviewer:  And uh what about uh what would you wanna trim hedges and so forth what might you?
027:  Hedge shears.
Interviewer:  What kind of say that for cutting down trees what might you?
027:  We would use a saw and you may get both of those in electric.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And you can also get electric grass clippers
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  which are fantastic.
Interviewer:  {D: I don't have them} the only kind I've ever used {X}.
027:  uh-huh
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  but you
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  You can plug 'em in and my sister and I were so stupid we take them to the cemetery to to trim around the stone.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And we took the cords with us and we're dragging the cords all over the place. And one of them came out and then we realized {C: laughs} no they didn't {C: laughing} need to be dragging those cords around.
Interviewer:  The uh what about hand tools you might use for uh a whole flower bed or something?
027:  Oh in the atrium I use just uh a little trowel and a fork and clippers a knife.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm What about a big {X} you might use out in the garden what would you call that?
027:  That's a fork.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm {D: Then we got} next questions have to do with cuts of meat and so forth what can you?
027:  #1 {C: exclaims in disgust} #
Interviewer:  #2 What can you? # {C: laughs} Name a few cuts of a beef what would you might commonly use?
027:  There are only two cuts of beef. The fillet and the loin tip roast Sorry. {NW}
Interviewer:  {D: on a} {X}
027:  Uh there is also hamburger which I feed to cats. And uh there are sirloins and there are T bones which make very good beef stroganoff. But we that's about all we eat.
Interviewer:  What about uh cuts of pork any kind of cuts of pork that you might?
027:  My husband would eat ham 'til it comes out his ears I don't like it. Um and I I like bacon. {NW}
Interviewer:  And would hams- talking about things that are cured or?
027:  U- yeah he likes country ham Now Smithfield I could eat. A whole Smithfield. But Tennessee country ham I cannot abide. Now a cure ninety one a Hormel or whatever it is I love. But uh we differ greatly on those.
Interviewer:  What about is there a heavy fresh cut fresh?
027:  We don't eat fresh pork. Uh we've been fighting cholesterol for at least thirty years. And really until the microwave we'd stopped eating bacon. But it takes every bit of the oil out of the bacon.
Interviewer:  Oh I didn't realize that.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And I've never used a microwave but my wife
027:  Aw get her one. She'll go crazy.
Interviewer:  What about cuts of lamb? You uh ever used?
027:  I do not like lamb a leg of lamb would be a young young spring lamb.
Interviewer:  mm And what about different kinds of of chickens that you might buy at the grocery store like?
027:  Uh we prefer broilers or parts.
Interviewer:  now with the broiler what What is {X} is that? Can you explain?
027:  That is the youngest that they sell
Interviewer:  {D: interesting}
027:  and you can string them on the rotisserie.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And they are fantastic. Or you can broil 'em.
Interviewer:  What are the old ones called?
027:  Hens.
Interviewer:  mm mm-hmm and uh
027:  There are also capons.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm And what are those?
027:  They are so old they have to be boiled. {C: laughs}
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  Yes they're tough.
Interviewer:  Now you uh you mentioned you mentioned {X} what about the kinds of things that you have in casings that you might have to {X}?
027:  Oh link sausages we prefer uh Bill likes link sausage we'll eat link sausage. I prefer patties.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm I like to keep
027:  But we don't there again the cholesterol problem we just don't eat sausage.
Interviewer:  mm and What about the the kind of meat that you might {D: put in} a hot dog?
027:  I could eat it all day. I have no idea what's in it. Everything bad about pork.
Interviewer:  What would you call that {X} that go to the store and buy some? You really like hot dogs you go to the store and buy some?
027:  I buy hot dogs {NW} U- no they're frankfurters.
Interviewer:  I- I've noticed tha- that most people here call 'em ca- call meat itself hot dogs?
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  I've never really heard that or noticed that until I started
027:  uh-huh
Interviewer:  interviews but {X} hearing these hot dogs for for the meat.
027:  uh-huh um we
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  Our hot dog.
Interviewer:  What about the kind of sandwich where you have {X} two or three four different kinds of meat and cheeses and so forth?
027:  Club.
Interviewer:  And uh what the thing that you drinking over there what you might have to drink with a?
027:  Coke.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm Is that a do you would you use that for a pepsi {D: flavor or or beverages}?
027:  I would not drink a pepsi.
Interviewer:  That's two of us.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Can't stand it {D: now}.
027:  It was the funniest thing when we were in Europe. {C: laughing} Bill and I would order a coke. {C: laughing} They would have a sign we serve coca cola and they would serve me a pepsi.
Interviewer:  Aw.
027:  Uh in a glass and I would say this is a pepsi. And they would say so what {X} there is no difference. {C: high pitch} And I would say oh yes there is and finally we found this beautiful bar. {D: closest} place you've ever seen. It was right next to the American Embassy in the uh this was in Rome. And they served real cokes. {NW} People would go in {C: laughing} and sit down on the velvet banquet {NW} And I would order a coke and then Bill would run across {X} the street to see what the exchange was that day at the bank and he would say sen- send her another one before I get back because she'll be ready for it. I think I drank them out of cokes {C: laughing}.
Interviewer:  I guess so. W- would you use the term coke for just any soft drink or?
027:  No. Only for coca cola.
Interviewer:  What would you use the general generic term for?
027:  Soft drinks.
Interviewer:  Soft drinks.
027:  Or pop. soda
Interviewer:  What about uh something you know that you might have in a can a little alcoholic you might drink? Might also have a?
027:  I wouldn't beer.
Interviewer:  And uh
027:  I usually try to have some around for my nephews.
Interviewer:  And uh the kinds of things you might buy at a bakery can you name a few of those?
027:  Um this is a little hard for me because I don't do my own shopping. Uh and so I haven't been in a bakery for years but I'll tell you one thing that you will not find in a bakery and that is lady fingers.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm and what are they I'm not sure I know what?
027:  They don't know what they are. and they are what you make all the luscious desserts out of the charlottes and all those things they are the lovely light and they're shaped like a finger I can make 'em. I just don't have any pans. I'm gonna start making 'em. and just squeezing 'em out on paper. But the bakers have forgotten how to make them. But you get cakes and you get breads. And I know my mother was on uh salt free bread and they had certain days you get salt free bread.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And um as far as I'm concerned it's all junk.
Interviewer:  What about the kinds of uh oh sweet things you might get uh somebody was icing something?
027:  Oh sweet rolls and cakes and cupcakes and.
Interviewer:  The uh the stuff on top of the sweet roll now you might call that?
027:  A glaze.
Interviewer:  And uh what about a a donut that has a glaze or any special name for that kind of donut?
027:  Uh many many many names a sugar donut jelly donut chocolate donut an iced donut.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm mm-hmm Ever seen the long rectangular donuts?
027:  mm-mm
Interviewer:  Do you know the names for those? {C: laughs}
027:  No names for those but I'd go for 'em {NW}
Interviewer:  What about the kind of long twisted?
027:  Oh um not cream puffs. They're related to cream puffs but I don't know what the u- they have a filling in them. I don't know what they are.
Interviewer:  U- hang on coffee cakes what kind of cakes are those?
027:  Those are a cake which is related to bread except that it has a little more sugar and vanilla and usually has a very delightful topping on top. I have a beautiful recipe {NW} if you want to send your wife something good.
Interviewer:  What is what is it?
027:  Sour cream coffee cake.
Interviewer:  yeah my wife uh was a home ec major she never she does a lot of cooking and things like that she uh
027:  I love to cook.
Interviewer:  The uh next question's about kinds of clothes some of the {X}. The uh when a woman is washing the dishes she might remove her uh?
027:  Rings.
Interviewer:  An- any special name for the very large {X} rings? Just {D: uh like a pretentious rings} or ostentatious anything for?
027:  You mean like mine? {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Oh.
027:  {C: laughs} No.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  Just
Interviewer:  Just a ring?
027:  mm-hmm
Interviewer:  What about now you hear about different styles of shorts that men really might wear in uh say something about their knees or the real short ones or what do you?
027:  Uh bermudas and cutoffs.
Interviewer:  Bermudas are the ones that kinda long?
027:  Right. I walk in shorts. or lederhosen
Interviewer:  Never heard that.
027:  German.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  But usually leather Have a little
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  {NS} and they're fantastic.
Interviewer:  What about the kind that are real short that women sometimes wear any special name for those?
027:  Not unless you're gonna get into bikinis just short shorts.
Interviewer:  Short shorts.
027:  And um the kids all seem to be wearing cutoffs this summer.
Interviewer:  Alright did you I guess maybe fifteen or twenty years ago women wore some that came kind of {X} that came slacks about halfway down?
027:  Oh culottes
Interviewer:  mm-hmm mm Now did you ever wear pedal pushers or anything around here or?
027:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What were they like were they?
027:  culottes uh narrower
Interviewer:  Yes.
027:  More like pants culottes are more like a skirt.
Interviewer:  Oh okay. And the clothes that were previously owned by somebody else you'd call them?
027:  Hand me overs or left overs or hand me downs.
Interviewer:  Where if you had bought them maybe at a second hand clothing store still call them you'd call them hand me downs or? Were they {X}?
027:  I think they'd be second hand.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm You ever heard any slang terms for very fashionable or good looking clothes?
027:  You mean like sharp or cool or?
Interviewer:  Anything like that or?
027:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  And uh tell me about the bag that you might store old winter clothes in in the summer. What would you call that kind of?
027:  A storage bag.
Interviewer:  Storage bag {D: and uh} What about the kind you might use to take on a trip and you wanna take some hanging clothes in it?
027:  Hanging bag.
Interviewer:  mm And what about the kind the plastic bags you pick your clothes up in cleaners?
027:  That's a plastic #1 bag that's what I #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
027:  keep my clothes in.
Interviewer:  Can you tell me about the different styles of shoes that men and women might wear that you {X}?
027:  Oh you're gonna love this first one. Moccasin.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  Sandals oxfords dress shoes clogs uh sneakers um. I don't know oh earth shoes and wedges wedges wedges.
Interviewer:  Wedges those are the earth shoes the ones with are higher in the front than the back? Th- a- the wedges what are they they thick heel?
027:  The heel comes all the way across here.
Interviewer:  mm {D: okay}
027:  Oh and an- mules
Interviewer:  What are {X}?
027:  Mules or I don't know what they call them this year but a lot of the wedges don't have any heel.
Interviewer:  mm
027:  Nothing back here at all j- just the toe slips in. They're awfully good for breaking ankles.
Interviewer:  I guess so. Uh what about different kinds of hair styles {D: what are they what are a few few of those}?
027:  Well should we try the afro?
Interviewer:  Yeah I guess so.
027:  {C: laughs}
Interviewer:  That's the only one I can think of. {C: 027 laughs while he says this}
027:  Actually I think most of them are individual at least that's what my hairdresser does. Just um I really don't pay any attention to.
Interviewer:  Makes two of us.
027:  what he's doing because he does what he thinks is best and he knows how I live and what I'm going to do to it so.
Interviewer:  Takes care of it for you.
027:  mm
Interviewer:  We were talking about schools and all while ago. A person who's good and keeps his nose is in a book all the time and so forth what would you call him?
027:  Oh he's a bookworm.
Interviewer:  mm Maybe there was a child someone who was always trying all the time trying to get the teacher's attention and praise and always trying to uh trying to say {D: to her} wha- what would you call that kind of person?
027:  Well strangely enough I always called him dumb and he always ended up getting all the A s. You know the one that asks all th- the dumb questions that were perfectly obvious to anyone who had read the lesson.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And yet he always got the A s. I never understood that. But I never got dumb enough to do it {C: laughing}.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. And a a brown nose what would that be used ever used that term the uh term brown nose or?
027:  {NW} {D: sloopy} {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am. What about apple polisher did you ever?
027:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  Yeah? What would that be?
027:  Someone who always {D: cozies} up to the teacher.
Interviewer:  {D: Right} and uh Now a a boy or a man with womanish kind of womanish ways what might you call him?
027:  I would be afraid to get into that should we say effeminate?
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And now a uh a a girl or woman with mannish ways what about?
027:  Masculine.
Interviewer:  And uh uh {D: say they're quite a bit} unattractive man or a boy any any special terms for him?
027:  Uh just ugly.
Interviewer:  What about a woman or girl? Any special term then?
027:  I heard a wonderful one. My nephew used he said she'd been beaten by the ugly stick.
Interviewer:  {C: laughs} That's awful.
027:  {NW} I thought that wasn't bad {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  That was the nth degree I hadn't heard that one before.
Interviewer:  Yes ma'am what about a very attractive man or boy any any special term for him or?
027:  I can't whistle very well.
Interviewer:  Oh.
027:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What about a woman or a girl {X} any special term for her?
027:  Lovely or beautiful.
Interviewer:  Uh we talked of mm talked about schools and all the where you would go to wash your hands and go to the restroom and so forth in in the school. What would you call that?
027:  The restroom.
Interviewer:  Restroom. And what about the place where you play basketball or?
027:  The gym.
Interviewer:  Was that usually just a basketball arena or was that?
027:  Back in my day uh it was basketball and swimming and that was it.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  They've uh somewhat expanded since then and then have rather elaborate plans for. They even have handball courts up here at Maryville college.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah. And the- the kind of {D: lawn} nets that you might have around a school playground you might {X} it?
027:  #1 Like I've got around the #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
027:  swimming pool? {X} uh {X} chain fence isn't it what it's called?
Interviewer:  uh-huh And uh
027:  With three rows of barbed wire {NW}.
Interviewer:  I guess that would get the kids somewhat out.
027:  It's gonna get electrified if they don't watch out.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm Oh you've had problems?
027:  Uh just twice once we found an alligator in the pool.
Interviewer:  {C: whistles}
027:  He was dead which was pretty cruel he was just a little one. And of course they put him in that chlorine and it killed him. And uh then once some kids ran they uh just drove a car up to the gate and knocked it down and I'm sure had a nice swim. And then left both showers running full tilt.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  And we had to replace that and uh. I do not think an electric uh fence would be cruel. There are people who think that it would be similar to sitting out there with a shotgun but I don't.
Interviewer:  especially if there was a sign or something around?
027:  Caution electric fence.
Interviewer:  That would apply to uh anyone who can read but no other.
027:  {C: laughs} Right well that would just be the uh barbed wire.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  Which is eight feet up.
Interviewer:  uh-huh
027:  But I think that's the only solution because I we put it down in the far backyard because I didn't want it where I had to look at it all winter sitting there empty eyed I don't think they're very pretty.
Interviewer:  mm-hmm
027:  But I do like 'em in the summer.
Interviewer:  I promised my wife if when we get a house is one thing I'd do is get her little a little pool she likes that. {NW}
027:  It's the best exercise in the world.
Interviewer:  Well she always just sit out there in the sun {X}
027:  true I do twenty laps a day that's the only exercise I get.
Interviewer:  twenty laps that would be
027:  Nah I just got ten in yesterday cuz I was {D: freaked} out I had to
Interviewer:  mm
027:  gauge it but usually I get twenty in.
Interviewer:  The next set of questions have to do with slang terms for There's ethnic groups uh which you may not have have heard of at all. I'll just go through them the uh orientals.
027:  Chinks and now these are old old ones. Uh I've heard no new ones at all.
Interviewer:  Chinks does that refer to any specific?
027:  Chinese.
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  When they came over to build the railroad I suppose. Came from my father who uh was out in Colorado for a period when he was younger and.
Interviewer:  Any others you?
027:  We've never had any here. We did have a Chinese laundry man in Knoxville. who did beautiful work but we called him the Chinese laundry man.
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh now
027:  I cook Chinese cooking.
Interviewer:  Oh.
027:  I called her mrs Ching.
Interviewer:  {NW} Ching
027:  Her husband is a professor of history at U-T.
Interviewer:  Oh I- I'm familiar with the name.
027:  uh-huh Lovely people.
Interviewer:  {X}
027:  I don't like the cooking I don't like the food.
Interviewer:  {C: laughs} I we were in Hawaii last summer I had so much Chinese food that just really wouldn't don't want to see it for a while. Say Roman Catholics ever heard of slang term for Roman Catholics or?
027:  Uh no we've never had um we have now have had for about twenty years a church here in Maryville. But uh we just call 'em Catholics.
Interviewer:  Uh did any Protestant groups ever heard of any slang terms for them? {NW}
027:  Um Not really we uh except the holy rollers.
Interviewer:  Now Jewish people any slang terms for them?
027:  We've never had a Jewish we've had one Jewish family in Maryville. And they went broke.
Interviewer:  Oh really.
027:  {X} {C: static then fades out}