Interviewer: Okay the first questions I wanna ask you about is just about Knoxville itself 030: Okay Interviewer: What I want you to tell me if you will is something like a a make up of the city what are the major sections of Knoxville you were telling somebody about the major sections of town 030: Uh Interviewer: What would you say were the were the major sections 030: Well there's um West Town, Bearden. Um. Uh let me see What's next? Interviewer: This is coming from the west 030: Yeah Um Then uh Lonsdale um Mechanicsville. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: East Nashville What they ca- and then there was a section they called uh park city but and then Burlington Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: And then Holston Hills and all Interviewer: Thats straight out east? 030: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What about south of the river any 030: {D: Allenhomes um} {D: Allenhomes over there} I don't know I don't know what's on the other side of it though I don't know I haven't been over you know that far. {NW} And I've been here uh oh fountain city Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: That's on the other side. Uh-huh. Interviewer: And um now your talking about the neighborhoods are which ones would you consider are the wealthier neighborhoods say which do you know the richest people who were they where did they live 030: You would find them in west town west Knoxville like um Cherokee um there's another place down there Interviewer: #1 Does that old Sequoyah Hills uh # 030: #2 Yeah the Sequoyah hills. all this is # coming back this way and then Um Kingst- all down through Kingston Pike Interviewer: What about some of these uh average working class neighborhoods where are those did you find those in in which neighborhoods would they be so just average you know 030: Well now at at one particular time I could say they were all sitting in one section but you can't do that anymore because if a man and his wife both work and maybe if they have one child or two and they don't have to make more than ten thousand dollars a year to live anywhere they want to Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: You know um and if your yo- well if we uh some of 'em even- even you could make say eight thousand Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: And they will rent apartments or Interviewer: Mm-hmm I guess you couldn't rent it 030: Yeah huh yeah just about anywhere they wanted something up a lot of people are buying homes but Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: Um It's not that You can't y- I couldn't just say that everybody lived in this one section because they don't you know Interviewer: Yeah an and Knoxville or anymore there's specific ethnic neighborhoods or any would you call certain neighborhoods black neighborhoods 030: Yeah #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: Um Let me see well mostly it's centered in the projects but Interviewer: Where- we- where is that located 030: uh there's um Austin Holmes uh Walter P. Tellers Um And then in Lonsdale But your gonna have a few whites or either a few blacks in either place and there's um Um Over here on Virginia Avenue and um Western Heights Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: And they- but they uh not you couldn't call 'em completely anything {NW} because it's not Interviewer: what maybe there or at Knoxville college what what areas 030: this is Mechanicsville. Interviewer: Mechanicsville 030: Mm Interviewer: Where would the students go to high school here did they go to a room or 030: Yeah they'd go to {X} {D: would they go anywhere} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: I mean some parents uh of their parents are teachers and they feel like a school is better they'll send 'em to a better school Um Fulton's um West High School um Let me see there they have got so many new schools even in the counties sometimes they'll send them there and if they work in the county nine times out of ten they will drop their kids off at- on the way to work Interviewer: and is is the Mechanicsville neighborhood that's all always been a mixed neighborhood #1 hasn't it # 030: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: There's never been 030: I well I #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 for the most # part 030: Yeah well See now this like I was raised in Eastern Knoxville right And Like this was Yeager street going well the next street over It had just as many white as it did blacks so I couldn't say I was raised with Uh One particular group was we all played together it wasn't w- w- I mean I think all of us was surprised when we went to school and and found out that we all didn't go to the same school uh-huh. Interviewer: Now then Talking about Knoxville where were the major shopping areas in Knoxville 030: Well west town Holston Hill shopping center um Interviewer: West Town is a mall now 030: Yeah Uh we have quite a few people are going back to shopping downtown but do have a little shopping centers everywhere Um There's uh like I said there's One on Broadway the Broadway shopping center um Let me see there's uh one before you get to west town western plaza and then there's a little shopping center in Bearden it's just they are just scattered Interviewer: what about the the financial district the banks and all where the major financial offices located 030: Most banks are located on gay street but they have branches everywhere Interviewer: {X} is down there 030: Uh-huh they had branches all over the city you could go um just about anywhere you go you're gonna pass a bank or two a branch you know more than of each bank Interviewer: Are there any shopping centers in in Knoxville Or um I guess there are some cities that were primarily black would you say is there what is there was it geared #1 toward black people # 030: #2 {NW} uh-huh uh no # Interviewer: just shopping just for 030: no not particularly because people have a tendency in this town to shop where they uh they can buy what they want you know there- if um If I wanted to go buy something just because this store was here doesn't mean I gonna shop in it- in my neighborhood if it doesn't carry what I want to buy then I'm going where that's the way it goes most places Interviewer: And we are talking about uh would blacks live in Knoxville who is there any neighborhoods where you would have mostly upper class blacks and then maybe neighborhoods where you would have lower class were there any was they kind of stratified neighborhoods like that or or they they were basically 030: you might find one or two streets similar to that but you can't speaker#3: {NW} 030: {NW} but you can't find uh speaker#3: #1 I don't hardly think so now # Interviewer: #2 inner # city neighborhoods 030: uh-uh now the uh like I said Austin projects Austin homes projects and Walter P. Taylors and in Lonsdale are where you gonna find most black centered together Interviewer: wheres is Lonsdale in relation to 030: it's about Um two miles #1 west of here uh # Interviewer: #2 west of here # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # {D: out western end} 030: Mm-hmm Interviewer: are we you talking about Knoxville if your showing somebody the city and had show maybe some some landmarks or something that of historical interest what would be some of the things that Knoxville you might you might show 030: oh I would take 'em to the Blount memorial um the Blount mansion uh the new buildings that's going up that's twenty-three stories high something we've never had and uh well maybe like Knoxville college and the University of Tennessee I'd take 'em all around Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: um {NW} Let me see if some of the other things that's centered in Knoxville {X} zoo and park Interviewer: they do have a nice zoo don't they 030: #1 uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: and {NW} I don't know just wherever else they wanted to see you know you have sometimes you take people to a lot of places they get bored Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: {NW} Interviewer: tired of traveling all day? 030: yeah Interviewer: yeah talking about um the zoo and things is there any other parks something in Knoxville that you know 030: Mm-hmm there's Tyson park um there's a let me see it's two or three parks around here but I don't remember all of their names I used to know when I was taking my kids on picnics and everything but I don't anymore Interviewer: People still go to {X} 030: uh-huh it's crowded most of the time Interviewer: And they have rides and all that there don't they 030: right Interviewer: so they would in Tyson park wouldn't they 030: no and Tyson park is more or less like where you take your kids to they just swing s- uh-huh uh there's I don't think I don't think there's any other park around here with rides {D: any like catchups and parkers just uh} picnic area where b- now that's what where all the blacks used to go Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: {D: at Cal Johnson} but now it's not a park anymore it's a center and um they play basketball and things in there, but and they've just about taken that away from 'em so because well like I said everybody's scattered and they just play wherever it's convenient Interviewer: the uh now say you were flying in from New York were would you would you where your plane land if you were gonna fly to New York where would you catch the plane here 030: um over toward {D: limousine} what's the name of that airport now it's in Blount county um {D: like a dog} and I- I'm gonna catch the plane over there. Uh-huh. uh. Interviewer: you see that I was out there #1 Saturday night can't remember the name either. What is that? # 030: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 030: #2 # Interviewer: Well, that's a uh McGhee T- 030: yeah McGhee Tyson airport. Interviewer: if you do you make any distinction between the airport and the airfield do those two terms ever mean anything different to you or they mean 030: well n- uh they are different one is #1 for small planes and # Interviewer: #2 in the air # field 030: Uh-huh so we have an airfield Interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # 030: #2 here # {D: Allen homes} Interviewer: mm-hmm is that the river 030: yeah uh-huh thats um um I think that it'd uh over at uh {D: Allen home} airport it well they it's uh airfield what they call it it's nothing like the airport Interviewer: just a small plane 030: mm-hmm no big planes landing then they have {X} {NW} Interviewer: I guess so 030: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 think so # I'd never flown till last summer the first time I've ever flown it was a long #1 quite a long flight # 030: #2 oh mm. # That's great my doctor won't let me fly over two hours if I'm going somewhere I have to #1 I have bad sinuses so it's bad for you # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm I guess so 030: {NW} Interviewer: Since we're talking about transportation things how were you like I eighty-five or I seventy-five I forty what would you call that like a highway 030: {NW} um I don't understand what you mean how do you Interviewer: you know like I forty you would you call it what kind of a highway? it's or mm let's see you'd say don't drive through town don't you let rest 030: Oh bypass yeah it's more or less like a bypass uh if you're coming through Knoxville and you don't have any desire to stop, you would bypass or you wouldn't have to come drown and get in the congestion {NW} Interviewer: and so you would just call it interstate 030: uh-huh more or less Interviewer: and uh and talking about on the interstate or bypass say uh uh the places you like stop you knowing the community for example you might have you drawn a road then have to traveling the region and the 030: they have um uh rest stops all along but I don't think you'll find too many from here between from the time you enter Knoxville until you get ready to leave out there all out farther out there are rest stops but now you can uh while you're on the interstate uh wherever you can just they have all these next stop you know west town wherever you wanna get off there Interviewer: these these rest stops rest stops there just picnic area kind of things 030: the uh little small places uh-huh some of 'em are larger than others they have tables around some of 'em have restrooms some of 'em don't Interviewer: would you have a special name for when you might get off when theres a service station and everything like that 030: n- Interviewer: different name for that 030: Let me see they don't call it they call it some of 'em truck stops they call 'em they say what is that because they have I mean there are plenty of those in Knoxville where you uh get off and eat and um even where you get off, go to motels and eat and rest or whatever Interviewer: {NW} the lane you would take when you got off what'd you call that 030: Uh on that when you're in the uh right hand lane Interviewer: yeah when your getting off the interstate you say you're getting off the thing the thing that you 030: oh go off the ramp uh yeah Interviewer: and what about coming on would you call that the same thing 030: uh-huh you go up the you know come up ramp, get on, get on get off #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # and uh let's see what about the the lines painted down on the road to help guide you you know 030: um oh you mean the yellow line and the white line now you mean do I have a specific name Interviewer: #1 It's called the white line # 030: #2 yeah {NW} # You know {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 030: you know you're in the either you're in the right hand lane or you're in the left hand lane or y- you're going to watch out you're gonna cross over the white line or- or the yellow line or you know you're not supposed to pass in this area and that kind of stuff Interviewer: yeah and you know when you're on the highway your in the grass area in between the lanes you have two lanes on either side you know there's a grass area 030: Yeah and that's it {NW} and I we have 'em all over town and I've often wondered {NW} sometimes why they build 'em cause they cause so many wrecks um the median strip some of 'em that's what they are called Interviewer: now you seen 'em when they Instead of having the grass over there used to be a piece of steel or concrete and uh 030: uh-huh they well that's the same thing uh uh well not when it's got grass under they don't call it the median strip they call it something else but I don't know I don't remember what Interviewer: uh any are there any any other roads in the uh uh in Knoxville besides the interstate that you can only get on and off at certain areas you know how you can only get off and on the interstate at certain intervals 030: yeah Interviewer: seventeenth street or whatever 030: well Interviewer: you know kinda 030: all these one way streets around here I don't know I don't drive so I don't know too many things about that I've I haven't used that passage #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # there were a couple of them like you 030: yeah Interviewer: {NS} talk about Knoxville what would be the name you were talking about the neighborhood what would be the main streets up in Knoxville area would you say some of the major streets in the city 030: uh uh to tell you what to look out for like gay street vine street Kingston Pike um let me see Interviewer: gay would be where all the banks and all that wouldn't it 030: #1 Mm-hmm but see at once the way Knoxville is laid out, once you get to gay street # Interviewer: #2 Kingston Pike # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 030: you can go anywhere because it's almost I mean Knoxville is almost like a block to me you can just go around the block and be you know well it seems like you're going around the block but you go either straight ahead and turn left and know where you're going more or less it's not like you have to turn off here and go well it's not like being in Chicago or somewhere I tell you that where you get lost #1 when you go # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 030: uh it's to me if you can read directions at anywhere at all if you could find gay street at Knoxville you can find anywhere else in Knoxville because all streets run almost completely across town like Clint Street runs all the way across all they way down Kingston Pike Interviewer: that runs perpendicular 030: Mm-hmm Mm-hmm and um when you're going to Kingston Pike it's just that simple Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: you just make one turn and you don't turn anymore you're on your way you know so it's um Interviewer: what about in this part of town what would be the 030: University Avenue College street and western avenue those are the main streets here Interviewer: western avenue that really becomes old bridge highway 030: Mm-hmm. That's why I say i- if you're going anywhere you just get on one street you know it might the street might run out but you don't have to turn you just keep going Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: it's not like having to turn four or five times to get to it {NW} Interviewer: Have you what would you call it call that street in a situation where you um your road goes here and there's railroad tracks that come up over the road and go under the 030: uh an overpass Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: yeah if you go on well you go in the underpass you know like and if I tell you when you come to the underpass you know you're on the right in the right direction you just come straight ahead Interviewer: and you go over some trains in the 030: um yeah well that's that over underpass and overpass {NW} Interviewer: {NW} #1 {D: that's character} # 030: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} you talking about driving when you're parking and you can't what what do you call that kind of point when you just drive in and you have your car that kind of sit in at an angle like that you just drive in 030: Parallel parking Interviewer: Is that that the one you back in and parallel park 030: yeah well either way you know now the people that I usually ride with I mean we parked this way here in the yard and it's just according to how w- if it's um bad weather we're gonna back in Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: and if just- just like today, we just drive in you know and we park the same way Interviewer: and uh is it the other kind of parking 030: what you would call just uh straight parking Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: well it's I would that's what I would call it you know I wouldn't call it that I would one in parallel parking, the other one Interviewer: straight in 030: Uh-huh Interviewer: and uh uh now say you went down to millers downtown you know when you go in to park there what would you call that 030: oh in the garage, in miller's garage? that's where we'd be which level are you gonna be on that's it #1 uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 garage # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # And uh now the thing you can't park beside that you plug the fire hose up in what you call those 030: Fire hydrants Interviewer: #1 huh # 030: #2 uh-huh # Interviewer: #1 # 030: #2 # Interviewer: and uh you mentioned the twenty-three story building what building that's gonna be 030: uh-huh United American bank Interviewer: what other kind of large building are there town 030: um s- let me see {NW} well there aren't many {D: well yeah Fairgood what used to be Fairgood hotel} what used to I mean what used to be Andrew Johnson hotel um the city county building they're larger we got some new banks see it see banks they're not exactly what you would call tall buildings but they are pretty large um they are spread out Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: on the ground level more or less but I think that's bank that United American bank the one that's going up will be one of tallest buildings that we have in town Interviewer: do you have an name for you know for apartments that off 030: Condominiums or high rise apartments Interviewer: so is there anything different between them to you 030: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What would be what would that di- 030: a condominium was the one that you're gonna find on the outskirts more or less really Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: uh {D: and so they was kinda set out} but high rises are everywhere {NW} you can get a high rise you can go to a high rise on just about every other street Interviewer: and are the high rises usually tall than condominiums 030: Mm-hmm well some of 'em {NW} uh the high rises are more or less like efficiency apartments with people but condominiums are homes people buy those they don't generally rent 'em Interviewer: Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm and uh we talked about streets and all what about the uh down and behind some of the buildings a little Knox- 030: {D: Ellis} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: yeah well Interviewer: {D: coloring} 030: yeah because you had you have to go down to the alley you w- we'd need those for the trash people come up we had uh well there's nothing th- I've never called them anything just an alley Interviewer: and uh what about a place where area left with buildings town down uh there's nothing there they hadn't even been rebuilt what would you call that 030: {NW} well in Knoxville we called 'em parking lots cause the minute they tore one down that's exactly what they'd do with it just start parking on it yes but they w- u- usually they when they'd tear out places if it's in a residential area it's just a vacant lot Interviewer: that's uh when I was a kid that was one of the big they tore the houses down in place of a mall 030: Yeah that's I think I uh any vacant lot if anybody owned land and didn't build on it that's uh best place in the world to play ball Interviewer: ball and what about if you went into a store like that and wanted a drink of water you would go to the 030: water fountain Interviewer: and uh um uh let's see what about if you had a park the thing you might get water from 030: out of the water fountain and it's the same thing uh well sometimes they don't have uh uh they have a faucet if maybe more or less but it's still a water fountain it's just the way they fixed it Interviewer: oh the next set of questions has to do with the nature of different kinds of car I don't mean anything like brands or things like Ford or Chevrolets 030: Mm Interviewer: what different yeah styles of cars that you 030: uh uh-huh but I don't know too much I'm glad you don't want brand names cause I don't know anything about cars I really barely ride in 'em Interviewer: Mm-hmm Oh well for example say a car that maybe just uh had had uh had had two doors and and you know 030: #1 had to climb over to get in the back # Interviewer: #2 what would you # call that kind of 030: that's just a two door car {NW} Interviewer: And uh four doors do you know any 030: yes uh no just four doors a four door whatever Interviewer: yeah you remember maybe back in the past the small car or cars 030: #1 Rumble seats in the back # Interviewer: #2 yeah. Mm-hmm # 030: yeah Interviewer: Was there any special name for the kind of car that had that rumble seat? 030: N- I mean No it was always the one with the rumble seat you know um I think I I don't think I've ever seen but one of 'em Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: and that was on display Interviewer: Mm-hmm you ever hear anyone talk about a coupe or talk about a different kind of car a coupe or 030: Mm-hmm well yeah I know about sports coupe is the one that has two seats in the but that's all no room just room for two people Interviewer: {X} off a little 030: Uh Jaguar or something like what's expensive {NW} Interviewer: {X} 030: yeah Interviewer: I feel like that was expensive cars maybe a big large car what would you 030: the Lincoln Continental the Cadillac the Mercury the new Mercury that that they have out but they're pretty Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Is it now one {NS} car thats over the top over pretentious like that you know what I mean you just kinda over do anything on a car like that and overdone car kind of 030: car that had just too much Interviewer: uh-huh 030: now that would be here for it it's too much {NW} uh yeah Interviewer: here you go 030: It'd be gaudy Interviewer: what about that the thing you might take to the airport you know if you didn't have someone to take you in the car you might 030: #1 Well here it # speaker#3: #2 Or at a motel, you might # 030: you called it what you called the um uh it's not a taxi its a uh what #1 limousine yeah airport limousine # Interviewer: #2 you mean limousine # Those well those were big and I guess seat eight or ten 030: well they did but now they aren't you had to when you called for a limousine you had to know that it's a limousine you know they had to let you know this is what you're getting they used to have the {D: uh uh big limousines here but I don't think there's} too many of those left in Knoxville you send for a limousine you'll probably get a uh maybe Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: um what'd we call 'em a van or one of those little buses or something like that they don't h- I don't think there could be cause I'm gonna have to ride one {NW} and I'm going to but I don't think s- I don't I don't remember seeing big l- Interviewer: how have they they have probably already probably got all the vans when you talk about vans you mean the trucks that uh kind of open at the side or or pull out how are they 030: well some of yes most of 'em open on the side just um it's not like the vans the you would have um Interviewer: for delivery um 030: no I know that's not what I was thinking about the vans that you would have for your personal self you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: the one that you would have all decked out on the inside {NW} Interviewer: #1 camping # 030: #2 {NW} yeah # but uh it's just one that has maybe seats in it or anywhere from nine to twelve people Interviewer: kinda like that Volkswagen bus 030: #1 uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 030: something similar to the Volksw- they could be Volkswagen bus Interviewer: yeah 030: {NW} Interviewer: the car that you know you could have a six van in the back kind of a long car 030: station wagon Interviewer: and um let's see you talking about those trucks those vans what other kinds of small trucks might a family own you know not a big diesel or anything 030: I y- uh you mean the mobile homes that I uh a Winnebago and that a executive and {NW} Interviewer: I guess those rise in some money too 030: yes they're Interviewer: especially right now 030: yeah they cost m- as much as you would pay for a house Interviewer: what about small trucks that you just wanna have a 030: a camper #1 {NW} would you # Interviewer: #2 when you wouldn't have for camping # you would just use 030: well you know a lot of people in Knoxville have uh trucks and they have uh then what we call uh a truck bed they just back the truck up on in and fasten it on and go on back and this is what they call a camper and put it on the truck bed Interviewer: that's um I'm surprised is that what goes on a pick up truck 030: Mm-hmm a regular pick up truck Interviewer: and um let's see what um what about a truck you would use to deliver things in um you know not an open bed but a closed in 030: um Interviewer: they that was used for delivering cakes or maybe even flowers you'd say 030: well they come they come more or less come in vans everything is in vans here I- i- in this day and age {NW} it didn't used to be ours be that-a-way but it's in vans they come in vans yeah Interviewer: what about the public transportation did you want 030: the K.T.L. Interviewer: mm what you'd catch a what to get downtown catch a 030: K.T.L. well generally if I'm gonna say I I have to ride the bus today or I'm gonna catch the bus but uh the main part is the K.T.L. and it runs every thirty minutes if you're lucky {NW} #1 yes # Interviewer: #2 I I # even at school get um pretty regularly towards school 030: oh UT? Interviewer: {X} for a quarter or so, you can't 030: yeah well we- I have to pay forty cents but I don't mind because I live uh between park city and Burlington Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: and when I put forty cents in I come #1 yeah pretty good rates all the way across town # Interviewer: #2 Pretty good rates # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 030: and that's the one thing about our buses they do go complete from one end of town to the other Interviewer: well you're in good shape 030: Mm-hmm Interviewer: now we're talking about the car, inside the car uh uh a car a car has various instruments like a speedometer and all like that 030: Mm Interviewer: we call that it's up there up on the 030: on the panel board Interviewer: and um what about the little compartment that you might keep something in 030: #1 yeah uh # Interviewer: #2 {D: bouncing things} # 030: well that's what you call the compartment {D: I've learned uh} {D: the compartment there and get out and it might take some whatever} {NW} Interviewer: and the part of the back that you put your luggage on that uh 030: trunk Interviewer: what about uh the thing that you would uh mash to get it to go 030: the gas pedal Interviewer: Mm. 030: yeah and the starter Interviewer: yeah 030: um that's um let me see uh the dashboard Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: {NS} guess that's just about all I know about cars Interviewer: dashboard and the panelboards the same? 030: yeah well sometimes I would call it I- if I say the dashboard or look on the panel up there and tell me what you know whatever it is it would be the same it would I would if it was said to me I would take it to mean the same thing Interviewer: what about the thing you would shift 030: the gears Interviewer: if you do would you do make any distinction between the floor or the column 030: well when more or less when one is in the floor that's um what you would call a four speed one that would get the speed to the one though cause automatic the uh generally have it on the steering wheel when you would just put put it in drive and go head on j but the vehicle often near you of course just about have it in the floor now Interviewer: Mm-hmm and you would call them that 030: Uh-huh Interviewer: well uh we're talking about the cars and stuff the things that I guess some shopping centers keep these little hump these kind of 030: {X} Interviewer: they called 'em 030: um {NW} just what you said the little humps you know but that's not the name for 'em uh they call 'em some kind of stretch but I don't re- Interviewer: you ever heard them called speed breakers or 030: yeah speed breakers c- now let me see where was I going to Pontiac Michigan and we ran into speed breakers before we got off the highway when you get ready to come off you go with speed breakers Interviewer: that could really do your car some damage 030: now well it's they aren't like they are when they are no they're not like they are when they on uh in on private property when in well like apartment buildings has speed breakers around but when you come off off there it's uh it's a different {X} really Interviewer: Mm-hmm talk about the things say uh you got some maps and you wanna do something around the you might want to hold um together you might want to put a 030: a rubber band Interviewer: well what about you got anything like to clip over something you call that 030: a clip board Interviewer: yeah or say like this thing right here 030: um, that's a paper clip Interviewer: ever heard that called a Jim clip 030: yeah that's what on the bikes when you buy but I but that's what I'd say #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: yeah but uh under in but I would never think to call it that's it's do you have any paper clips more or less then I would know what you were talking about but if I guess it's somebody asked if I did I have any Jim clips Interviewer: where I'd say something like Jim clips is a brand name 030: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Coca Cola or Pepsi or something 030: Mm-hmm Interviewer: and we're talking asking about the car and truck things the different kinda firetrucks you know with uh different kinds off or something say one 030: uh well let me see uh you have the ladder truck, one that carries the ladders um or there's um I don't know Interviewer: anyone where you just shoot out the water from 030: in that not well now that's just what you would call here we would just call it a regular firetruck but it maybe it has another name Interviewer: what about the kind where th- you know how it might say like it's the twenty-third 030: #1 {NW} that's the ladder truck it when they would have the ladders to go all the way up # Interviewer: #2 yeah and they'd have`a real # have you seen 'em where they can put the fire out in the this little compartment. they can use 030: yeah on a crane #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 any name for that special # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 030: no I mean I'm sure they do have names but um Interviewer: do you maybe call them a snorkel truck or something 030: Mm-mm no Interviewer: I don't know that Knoxville has why I- I've never seen enough fires to really know 030: {D: mead} and we've had some big fires and I'll see but um people go to look at things like that I don't #1 {NW} no # Interviewer: #2 I've never # I'll bet the biggest thing came up just on thirty-second street 030: yeah and that was one of 'em uh-huh but they had one hear that {NS} um that had paint or something in it and it was a pretty big house they have had some pretty big fires around here though {NS} like I said there when I'm on my way home I never stop to look at it I don't like tragedies Interviewer: Mm-hmm now we are talking about the emergency vehicles like that if uh say that you call paramedics or something like that what would call would you call um anything 030: uh yeah you you mean when the ambulance would come but they's let me see what do they call those little things now {NW} well it's an ambulance but they wouldn't call um they would more or less say that the paramedics come in or uh it was let me see what did they call give me a minute to fire department Interviewer: {NS} 030: and the rescue squad or stuff but you know nine times out of ten Interviewer: department 030: uh-huh they don't ever say {X} Interviewer: truck 030: Mm-mm not really Interviewer: don't worry I don't have one either 030: {NW} Interviewer: the car that the the the uh say the fire chief might come in any way what do you call his car got a name for that 030: well, that's just it the chief came in you know the fire- {X} uh say or either when you see that little red car streaking ahead everybody knows there goes the chief must be pretty big fire but they I've never heard it called any particular name because I mean Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: usually when you just see that the little red car you know it's so Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: belongs to the fire department so Interviewer: what about different kinds of police vehicles what different kind of police vehicle would you see in this area 030: they have just regular police cars and if you downtown you're gonna see those little um um let me see what in the world do they call 'em #1 that they ride n- not motorcycles but I'm trying to think but yeah but um # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 030: what they Interviewer: what they're going to 030: I really and truly don't know what they call 'em w- you know it's a little old what the more or less what the um ladies ride in when they're giving you a ticket {NW} they would when you see 'em coming then you would know that you were in the wrong but I don't know I know they have a name but I don't know know what it is Interviewer: what about something totally what if they arrested a whole bunch of people 030: it's in the Paddy Wagon Interviewer: yeah 030: {NW} yeah Interviewer: I was a little kid I was a patrol boy and had big thrills whenever we'd get to ride #1 to the police station in the Paddy Wagon very very fun or # 030: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 030: #2 # Before I started working over here I worked as a crossing guard Interviewer: oh really 030: uh-huh and I was crossing guard for about seven or eight years and I had lots of patrol boys in mm it's now I see them and they're grown but their big trip was getting to go to Washington every year {NW} Interviewer: we took a trip to Jacksonville to the naval place down there and we were told that we had one trip to the police station we'd go to the police station and they'd come out and get us in the Paddy Wagon 030: yeah that's the one {NW} Interviewer: we talked about airplanes and things something that might that they might fly in on an airplane they might police might go over the city and uh 030: helicopter yeah Interviewer: I guess thats it Knoxville getting about the size of 030: {NW} Interviewer: pay attention to that 030: right Interviewer: we talked about big disasters and all we talked about fires what are some of the kind of natural disasters that kinds of different names you have for the kinds of storms the big wind storms what would you call 'em 030: well {NW} you know we're not in the area where you're gonna have w- if it's really and you know like its a thunderstorm electrical storm you know or you you might say that the wind was extremely high and they have had tornadoes to touch down here but a hurricane and all these things we're just not in that area uh-uh but that kind but w- now we have had some mighty high winds but not hurricane force or anything Interviewer: there's not really been any tornadoes here 030: no uh-uh. you th- they hit around before they get to us because we are in the valley so that kinda s- saves us but if one gets in you're in trouble {NW} Interviewer: I did a lot of these interviews in Florida and the people down weren't hurricanes n- hurricanes never bothered 'em that was just like a {X} 030: a bad uh-huh Interviewer: they just board up the house and stayed right at home apparently we were worried more than they were about a 030: and when it when when it really when the wind gets real high here you um {NS} it's it's frightening to go downstairs in the basement cause you're just not used to it Interviewer: What about a storm where you have uh maybe a lot of sleet and things like that like freezing rain 030: Yeah well that's what's here you could we haven't really had a hailstorm and you might say that it did hail or we have had {D: weather winded} rain, sleet, and lighting and thunder but that's just about what you would call some more bad weather Interviewer: Would you ever have ice storms around or any like that 030: we did have one once but Interviewer: is that just where it rained 030: every every uh-huh it was what you would call a freezing rain and it was it would when it hit the ground Interviewer: froze right 030: It froze, yes and uh nobody wanted to. well you'd you would look at the street and it didn't look like anything was wrong with it but it would really be ice Interviewer: now uh let's see we talked about uh firetrucks and all what would you call a man who fights fires 030: a firefighters um just a regular fireman but I mean you know that's I I'd guess maybe other places they do have different names Interviewer: Have you heard any slang terms for firemen maybe that you might hear you might any 030: Mm-mm no I don't think so you know like um I know plenty of 'em that work for the fire department but it just you know Interviewer: No firemen all over the city 030: Mm-hmm Interviewer: what do they do 030: {NW} I've never heard 'em called anything just like a police man course you know we have a- we we wouldn't know of all of these things if they didn't put um on T-V but we do hear some strange things sometimes Interviewer: what the terms that you might hear in these area for policemen you think anything you might hear a kind of slang term for a police man 030: yeah well Interviewer: on T-V within this area 030: yeah well more or less like just like you would here or anywhere else if he's black, then he is uh that black dude was over where if he's white, the honkey was here or the pig was here well now pig don't have any color Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: you know he's just a pig re- uniform that's what he is but now in just if he's Interviewer: Is that usually used for a police man or any policemen 030: #1 it's {NW} there's just # Interviewer: #2 do you what I mean # 030: de- depend on the crowd of people their attitude toward it you know because you could go in some places where they're highly respected and you go in other places where it's just you just couldn't get a kind word for one any kind of way Interviewer: what about the place where the fireman and all would would stay and keep the fire truck 030: at the fire department ah uh it's you might say department number because h- the num- all of 'em here are numbered and and your number so and so at our department number so was that but that's just a bit more or less the way that they category here Interviewer: any name for the the house itself where they keep the trucks and all 030: no when you say the department that #1 that includes everything that everybody sleeps, eats, and keep uh right there # Interviewer: #2 Right there. # what about where the policemen report in and things what would you call that 030: you mean like at the jail Interviewer: Mm-hmm they all the police that are stationed at the jail 030: well when they go in and work I don't think there's any other place it could be but you know I see them when they reporting for work they go in in at the city jail and they go in and come out and put whatever I guess they have to check in like do like everybody else Interviewer: well we talked about that you mentioned the jail there at the park there'd be alcohol and some hard drugs 030: in the drunk tank {NW} yeah Interviewer: I bet that's smelly 030: yeah {NW} yes my goodness and the drunk t- I've never seen one I would like to Interviewer: I'll see one from the outside 030: {NW} yeah on this side of it not on the inside Interviewer: we um 030: {NW} Interviewer: what kinds of things would a policeman carry for protection like 030: a billy a blackjack handcuffs gun um when a lot of people don't know this but keys they use their keys cause they have quite a few now I know Interviewer: just like brass knuckles 030: uh-huh u- uh it's um it's more or less like if you in a situation where somebody has got you almost hemmed up and you can't get to nothing but your keys, they're helpful Interviewer: now is there a difference between the blackjack and the billy 030: uh-huh a blackjack is a little small flat lid it with a lid on the end and the billy uh-huh and the billy is the long Interviewer: #1 stick # 030: #2 stick uh-huh # Interviewer: #1 # 030: #2 # Interviewer: let's see we were talking about how we were talking about the drunk tank and everything say someone who um find out out in the gutter there you'd call him a what 030: alcoholic you know it that goes to saying drunk again Interviewer: what about someone maybe who's not exactly an alcoholic but just kind of bums around around the 030: that's exactly what he is a bum #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 A bum? # and uh what about a you know maybe a cheap hotel that might cater to like 030: {D: the flop houses} yeah Interviewer: and uh now someone hold on I wanted to see um a woman who sells her sex would be a 030: prostitute Interviewer: yeah any other names 030: uh-huh whore {NW} Interviewer: those equivalent terms 030: Mm-hmm #1 well that # Interviewer: #2 One was nicer # than the other 030: yeah well I I put it to you like this one that makes big money say she is a prostitute and one that makes small money she's a whore #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I guess a bit different # 030: but yeah no it didn't both of 'em are doing the same thing but uh yeah but if you say um if you are if you're talking to one or reading about any of 'em you'll notice that they were say this high class call girl Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: uh then there's how uh it'd the the call girl is really making big money the prostitute she's living pretty well but when you get to the bottom line you know {NW} Interviewer: now here before there were several of them that'd might work anything for that 030: no I don't think so I mean now Interviewer: uh but they probably wouldn't really have a house of them 030: #1 well yeah uh-huh but that don't mean too much a lot of things illegal that don't really mean too much # Interviewer: #2 it's illegal # 030: they might have a house and that's what they would call it or to whoever has {D: allow them to work at uh} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: uh I don't uh you I've heard 'em call I've heard 'em called in the places called whorehouses but um that was when Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: all of 'em lived in one place and you the men went to see them but see now during my era I think more or less you were called to come and go to Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: because I mean until I went to Washington I never even seen anybody stand on the street and hustle I read about it I didn't believe it but I saw it {NW} Interviewer: now then in fact I was a big city guy too 030: uh-huh I never you know I never there could be a district here that people work at uh that I mean if it is they they probably work out of hotels but I've never seen 'em just what you say stand on the street and solicit and then I have read in the paper where they have been arrested for soliciting but I had Interviewer: so it'd have to be a massage parlor 030: uh-huh or they had wherever they I don't know where they live or how they managed this cause they solicit from cars or whatever I don't know like I said cause I've never seen it here Interviewer: the man the manager that would work the prostitutes do you have a name for him 030: um yeah because they have to have a pimp {NW} but they what they called they mean men Interviewer: yeah well that was a term I hadn't really heard until I was of an age I was watching a lot of 030: yeah well you know T-V is really brought the outside world in Interviewer: that the next question the question's about names of different drugs and things that the illegal things that some people smoke 030: I don't know why they're letting the kids play in the hamper like that {NW} go ahead Interviewer: the illegal drug that somebody might smoke 030: Marijuana Interviewer: have you ever heard any of the other names 030: yeah joint have you got a- have you got a joint man have you got any scag Interviewer: Scag? 030: uh-huh. Um j's Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: um that is just for one I think Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: yeah Interviewer: what about the harder drugs that you might hear of what what other kinds of hard 030: I don't know um I've never been around anybody that really used hard drugs so I I mean it could be a name I could have read um but u- uh they don't mean anything to me so I don't try to retain that but I I know when they use heroin they call it something have you got a hit but then a hit could be some of anything Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: uh th- this would if whatever your crowd uses then that could be a hit, so I wouldn't say that it would be I've heard um heroin called uh the monkey on your back but I don't know if you and I were both users then maybe we would have a term for it but for but just being around people I don't you know I don't really and truly know about it Interviewer: You were talking about a user somebody who is hooked on it what would you call him 030: just just what you said somebody that's hooked on or well it's users that's you know uh and they say well he's Interviewer: like an addict he's 030: yeah he's an addict he's uh if you um if somebody come in the room then somebody might say more or less like well he's on hard drugs or something like that Interviewer: yeah uh say someone who sold drugs they 030: pushers Interviewer: they or they now you is he usually a user or 030: nine times out of ten t- out of ten a pusher doesn't use all he want is the money uh-huh see he'll sell it to you and laugh at you {NW} #1 but I don't think I don't think yeah # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: I don't think most pushers are users Interviewer: the uh we talked about {D: he's raising money any differing terms if had you had some terms people wanted to use} 030: yeah bread you got any bread man yeah {NW} Uh let me see uh that's most of the time what they said have you got any bread but my guess there are other terms for money and things like that but Interviewer: {X} 030: uh-huh Interviewer: what let me see now what about a place where you you need some quick uh some quick money you sell a ring you'd go to the 030: pawn shop Interviewer: yeah 030: um yeah well that's a pawn shop to the l- one of those loan shops downtown Interviewer: say something not like alcohol you'd like to drink not not hard liquor but you might drink 030: what, wine? Not an alcoholic {NW} {D: He'll drink some splow, but yeah} but uh uh alcohol well I guess uh you would call it wino and alcoholic cause it's {X} the same thing Interviewer: what you mentioned spoil what do you mean by that is that uh 030: that's white whiskey what the call a white lightning #1 Homemade # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 030: come out of the hills {NW} Interviewer: now I guess you know there's nothing you here like that you'd really isolated areas 030: yeah that's where they usually set it at and they always reading trying to find stills and things around here but that's something I've known about all my life uh whiskey runners but um I've never really and truly seen anybody try to really stop whiskey runners and they run everywhere Interviewer: Well I must I guess pass some cash to somebody somewhere 030: I don't know but ever since I was little I'm I mean ever since I can remember there's always been someone who's been there Interviewer: Hmm the uh uh any any names with different kinds of lines they saw when you might have for dinner 030: Yeah well there's dinner wine. Let me see there's the mad dog {NW} uh Interviewer: {D: Maybe down near twenty} 030: Yeah {D: Morgan Davis twenty t- and what there's another one} appplejack uh but now those are kind of wines that you're gonna find that people smoke pot with you know uh but that's not the uh it's one that they drink here all the time whenever you see a bottle of you know just about who had it Interviewer: mm 030: But I can't think of the name of it Interviewer: Let's see uh 030: Uh uh uh uh Interviewer: Any uh any kind of word or name or anything for a cheaper wine 030: yeah well this this that's what I'm trying to #1 think of the name of this # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: because it's about eighty-nine cents uh not a not over a dollar a dollar a bottle Interviewer: Is it ripple 030: #1 {D: Yeah you have the uh red and green spring ripple when you say out of} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: wines you know somebody who found it out there but there anyone particular one but I can't think the name of it Interviewer: what's that kind that has all the different flavors fruit 030: yeah oh but Interviewer: I I I don't know about that I can't think of the name of it 030: uh Cause you can get it in apple cherry just about any yeah anything you wanted it'd be just about Interviewer: yeah that stuff made in you think it might be Louisiana or somewhere farther 030: I don't know where it's made or any but they must make it mighty fast and send it out fast because it's a lot of it's sold in Knoxville Interviewer: what about more expensive that you might have 030: {D: something yeah rose uh burgundy} um Interviewer: now what is it all red 030: no not all of 'em um some uh some of 'em are white white wines Interviewer: all your talking about wine or winos the place the part of town where you might see a lot of winos got any name for that 030: mm mm-hmm Well let me see Interviewer: where you might see um fighting down on the 030: and you um I don't think you could see I- here now well {D: um like uh a strip you could find some of any thing but you wouldn't find 'em out here like} you do in the big city but guys would every section of town carries its own you know {NW} you gonna have 'em and uh but I don't know uh I don't if whether there's any particular place where winos just really hang out cause I know of people that drank a lot and you see 'em anywhere just in you just look up and here they come you know Interviewer: what about the name for a place that like a movie house or a theater that shows a lot of x-rated 030: movies Interviewer: any names for a location like that kinda rude kinda movies 030: uh no not to me #1 uh well I've never been to one in the first place I wouldn't know # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 030: I know we had one on gay street and it was just you know but they closed and I never went to Interviewer: uh what we were talking about there was a policeman and a fireman and the guy that carried the mail what would you call him 030: mailman Interviewer: what about the the one that picks up your garbage 030: uh he's a garbage man in the garbage truck Interviewer: you know you seem like somebody that that has a 030: we don't call 'em garbage men. Trashmen #1 uh less more or less # Interviewer: #2 Okay # 030: and now I think that whenever since they have had made sure the you had to put your garbage in a green bag and everything they don't even uh we just call 'em more or less dump trucks did the you know we used to say did the the trashman come today and now they say that the garbage did they pick up the garbage today Interviewer: what a- what about a person who is able to get a lot a favors down at city hall you know able to always 030: go down and talk to somebody Interviewer: what what would you call that kind of first or anything what would you say you had 030: political pull Interviewer: yeah well 030: {NW} Interviewer: And what about so maybe uh city or state employee or something has no real job no responsibility who's just kinda on the payroll you know what I mean 030: Yeah let me see what do they call 'em Interviewer: He just gets salary and doesn't really 030: do anything yeah but but then he's in everything you see 'em around uh I don't know what they called 'em but I sure do know what your talking about {NW} cause they all over Interviewer: Ever heard it called payroll or anything like that 030: no usually they let me see no I don't know what they call 'em but uh it's you know we do have political {D: boards in Knoxville} those are the ones that hang on you go down to city city hall and they always there Interviewer: Mm-hmm You you talked about the trashmen and everything the uh the can outside what what what would you call that 030: the trashcan Interviewer: what about uh the big the big green things that they pick up the trucks pick up like that 030: the you mean the one they come to empty the dumpsters Um let me see Interviewer: what you call it the dumpster truck 030: uh-huh Interviewer: and uh what about you see a machine that some people might have at home 030: compressors trash compressor yeah Interviewer: and um uh what I'll see I'll ask you question about different kinds of stores what would you call a larger kind of food stores and shopping centers what would you 030: you mean y- what do I call s- Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: #1 A full store in the shopping center # Interviewer: #2 yeah the big large ones meaning # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 030: well that's um mm Interviewer: so you might go along and say say something like I went to the store 030: shopping center or usually I don't say went to the store anymore I either go to Kroger's or I went to the mp I never s- you know uh um I went to the I-G-A full diner I never say to the grocery store or Interviewer: the the supermarkets are grocery stores 030: yeah um well I've been to the supermarket but um I guess I've heard that term quite a a bit but usually um if I'm going to the store I say I'm going to the white store or to the mp I'm going at Kroger's and then when people ask me did you go to uh supermarket I say #1 which one yeah # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 030: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # the uh uh neighborhood stores what did you any name for that what'd you call it when 030: a little small grocery store um just a little old neighborhood grocery Interviewer: what about one that maybe it's where you stand a pack stacks or something open from seven to eleven 030: you oh you mean yeah uh {NW} you you some of 'em are called a minimart and some of 'em are called um {D: what in the world do they call those stickers} family pantries we have those things all over town Interviewer: and the big convenience 030: yeah convenience food stores and we do have the seven eleven here Interviewer: we talked about the um culinary thing what about the cooking utensils maybe a you know for people to be able to fry something 030: in a skillet Interviewer: no you might plug in and what would you call that 030: electric skillet yeah Interviewer: if you were saving up for a a kind of small {NS} {NS} 030: excuse me Interviewer: a kind of oven to cook food in a hurry 030: microwave microwave oven Interviewer: uh what are we talking about stores what about a small store you'd go get like sausages or or salads or leeks and things like that just 030: uh Interviewer: sandwiches 030: there was {X} but I have those here but we don't call 'em that and down to the dairy we don't have many of those here like they have in big cities we have on on Gay Street though Daniel Harrell's and thats what we call it Daniel Harell's Interviewer: Mm-hmm 030: it's real nice Interviewer: and uh a coin operated place where you'd go do your clothes 030: laundromat Interviewer: and uh now say your dirty clothes then you might put them in in with a lid you might wanna put your clothes 030: in the hamper Interviewer: and uh if you were cleaning you know now instead of using a broom you might us a 030: vacuum cleaner Interviewer: what do you call the thing you have to empty you know with the vacuum cleaner 030: uh uh cleaning bag that's exactly what they are and inexpensive Interviewer: say your mopping the little plastic thing you might put water in 030: in the bucket Interviewer: now the uh a man who in a in the funeral the man who's in charge of the funeral you call him the 030: general director or see when you uh live in a small area like in Knoxville, you just call him by his name hate me when you automatically say mr Tate if you're here you know you know who they use that say well johnny could continue you know where johnny come from {NW} Interviewer: now do you have a vehicle that you could take the casket in 030: uh in a hearse Interviewer: and uh any names for the buildings where 030: {X} Interviewer: what about those buildings where your entered you know have you a name for the place you actually store the names the names have you seen you seen what kind of 030: {NW} Interviewer: what's it 030: {NW} Interviewer: instead of burying you in the ground they have 030: oh the mausoleums {D: uh that what you're talking about that that's what they} Interviewer: do they do they even have any in this area 030: I don't think so {NW} no no I know there aren't any here Interviewer: and um now um the last time we we did a questionnaire we talked about cigarettes any other names have just for regular cigarettes any other terms that you might use 030: a smoke I gotta smoke man um but that's just about it I don't know I don't know any of them names for a cigarette Interviewer: what about a room in the house thats designed to get a lot of sunlight in that we have a lot of windows in hope maybe some glass on the roof with lots of sun any name for that kind of room in the house 030: um Interviewer: that might have a lot of plants 030: oh now if like you have a hot house or something in your house uh Interviewer: thats different from what I'm you ever have a sun room in your house or anything like that 030: uh no no I didn't it would be I've been in sun rooms and I think they're beautiful but no I never had one Interviewer: there you go 030: {NW} Interviewer: now what about informal rooms for maybe relaxing and T-V 030: like in the den yeah now we had that Interviewer: and uh now say a a room you know maybe be a bathroom but one where you have just a toilet and a sink or a shower 030: and uh I have one of those but I don't I just {NW} I never see what would I call it mm Interviewer: well when you were describing your house would you say you had two baths 030: no I would say I had bath and a half uh-huh and because the other one's not a complete bath Interviewer: and um what about heating what kinds of heating equipment in your house would heat your house 030: um now the one I been living in I we have {D: sill heat} the one I moved from we had uh oil heat the one Interviewer: furnace for that oil heat or 030: no we just had an oil stove and it was connected outside you know had wood on tacked on the outside of the house all ran in and that's was the heat Interviewer: what about cooling you guys do anything to cool 030: air conditioner A small room air conditioner Interviewer: w- what would you ever seen the houses where you with heat thats pocketed to all rooms 030: you mean the solar heat like what they have there uh that's what you're talking about or about the steam heat Interviewer: what kind of air conditioning that goes from to all the rooms could you 030: oh the um um uh like the carrier going through