Interviewer: Out of the woodwork 030: {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {D: You didn't something, didn't give us to} # 030: Yeah. Interviewer: {D: I don't know work what people are doing} 030: {NW} Interviewer: {X} central heating and air condi- 030: -ditioning yeah We now there are most houses that are being built now got it. Central heating. Interviewer: {D: I guess} 030: And air conditioning, you know. Interviewer: Have you ever seen the kind of house that the kind I was born in uh where you can open all the doors in the house and the front door and open and you see #1 straight # 030: #2 straight # through it uh-huh. Kind of a shotgun house. Uh-huh. Interviewer: Yeah. {X} How many rooms did they they usually have? Was there any limit on the number? 030: Most of 'em were three rooms shotgun houses some of 'em were four rooms but uh they were still straight through. Interviewer: The have you ever seen a house that maybe I can draw it used to have a lot of 'em in Alabama. Sometimes you got one big room right here one big room right here and this kind of an open well there's a there's a roof over that this is an open hall it's just a big there's no door or anything. It's just completely open. It's it's covered by a roof and you get a roof over it 030: You mean um Y- y- Like a breezeway? In between, yeah. Interviewer: Ever seen a a kind of house like that? 030: Yeah. Interviewer: Did you have a name for it ever? 030: N- not the house but all- all I would say is the house had a breezeway. Interviewer: Have you ever heard anybody call it a dog trot house? Or a double pen house? 030: Uh-uh. Interviewer: Now they're not I don't think those kind of houses are nearly as common here as they are like {D: well south} from Alabama. 030: Uh-huh. Interviewer: {D: In Alabama you see 'em a pretty good bit} Now what about a house that's kinda like this. It's got a long entry hall and then maybe a big {D: sink} big one large room that that's set at a an angle to the room {D: maybe some call it this} you have the um entry hall here the big room there. Be something like that. Can you give me a name for that kind of house? 030: No, I don't think I've ever seen one like that either. Interviewer: I haven't either. 030: {NW} No. Interviewer: Huh people, some people call it a hall and parlor house or a {D: flying ale} or 030: Mm-mm. Interviewer: Don't ring a bell? 030: No. Interviewer: What about any other names for kinds of houses like that shotgun house? that you know? 030: No, just two-stories and mm you know and well we call some of the houses that they built little crackerbox houses. Interviewer: #1 Like the small # 030: #2 you know # Yeah, the square houses. Interviewer: {X} 030: And then there were the flat tops when they came out. Interviewer: My father used to say My dad used to {D: say you can throw us out if you change your mind} 030: {NW} yeah {C: laughing} crackerbox Interviewer: You seen those maybe sometimes a field house where they have a a bunch of small houses in just a line little small 030: #1 I've seen 'em. # Interviewer: #2 {D: name for those kind of houses} # 030: Uh-uh. I mean I've seen 'em but um that's just like they used to have those little railroad houses but they call 'em shanties Interviewer: Shanties? 030: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Have you ever heard {X} You ever heard anybody talk about row houses or anything like 030: Yeah that's Now I've read about that but I uh that they call 'em row houses but but I thought when they call 'em row houses with the houses that were #1 built all on to one you know # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 030: Took up a whole block, more or less. But Interviewer: #1 {D: I wonder if anybody's ever seen those in Birmingham} # 030: #2 Now # Interviewer: And that some in Birmingham. 030: Well, no I don't think I've ever even seen 'em. Interviewer: Yeah. Let's see. We talked- we talked about condominiums and apartments a while ago. Uh any name- any other name for those kind of apartments? Say if for example you had to go inside to all of the apartments you had to go inside though you didn't have an outside entrance it was just all in one building. 030: That's um more or less boarding houses more or less. Like but that's just about the only kind I know. Interviewer: Did people around here ever use the term flat? Like a a flat? Talking about a place you lived. 030: No. Interviewer: Mostly- 030: I mean they could. N- I don't know anything about 'em. Interviewer: I suppose I've only heard it from a boy I know from New York who 030: Lived in a flat. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I g- I think that what it is is an apartment, and it #1 that takes up a whole level # 030: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: of an apartment building, but I'm not really sure. 030: No, I don't know anything about that. Interviewer: What about the man who maybe is in charge of the apartment building who looks after the uh 030: The manager. Uh-huh. Who's supposed to look after you? The manager. Interviewer: What about a man who actually does chores around there, who would actually 030: You have a janitor and janitor service. Interviewer: Now some of the things you might use outside to keep up your lawn, what are some of the things you might use to to keep your lawn up? 030: Uh lawnmowers, um riding mowers, {NW} and what's the- weed eaters. {NW} Interviewer: {X} 030: Yeah. Now but that's just about all of it. Interviewer: The lawnmowers, are those usually electric or gas or? 030: Ours is gas. They do have um I guess they have electric lawnmowers. I don't know. I never used one. Never even seen one, really. Interviewer: The um um we talked about 030: Oh we have a push mower. That's the one I use. {NW} Interviewer: That's probably what I would use If you wanted to to get the leaves up you'd just use a 030: A rake. Interviewer: Any- Say a- a rake that you might use out in a garden, any different name for that? 030: Well you had the broom rake and then you had the- the- the one with the prongs in it, but I don't- I mean both of 'em are just rakes I guess. Interviewer: The uh- What about something you might- you had your little garden out #1 behind your house. # 030: #2 Use the hoe? # {NW} And uh let me see. What else do you use when you go out there- the pick? Interviewer: Yeah, and say you'd wanted to maybe had about half an acre and you wanted to turn it over. 030: Spade it. Yeah. Uh, now I know about those things cause I have one. {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever- would you ever use a row tiller or anything like- 030: Yeah We have a row tiller. That's what we use. We don't use a spade. Interviewer: Yeah. 030: And sometimes we have a man come over with his um uh whatcha call that thing? Mm. What- tractor {NW} That's what I'm trying to say. He'd come over with his tractor and turn the- My- my mother had to have a tractor because her garden is much larger, but we just use a little hand row tiller for ours. Interviewer: What about the kind of fork you might dig with? 030: We have a fork here for the garden not- uh that's more or less what- what- we use it for moving things. We have a fork. Interviewer: What about a {D: loop} one might use for plants like that? 030: Yeah well hand tools we have I have some of those. Interviewer: Any names for specific kinds of hand tools? 030: Well, you do have one that you're gonna dig dirt with and uh one that well we have a- pr- I have pruning shears and all those things. Interviewer: Now um what about if you wanted to trim a hedge? 030: Well, um they just have se- shears, hand shears for that. But now mostly everybody's got electric. {NW} {D: But who wants to cut off the hedges with the trimmer} {D: are more- they use 'em uh for some of everything according to how heavy they are} Interviewer: And what about kind of s- s- if you wanted to cut down a tree or cut limbs on trees what might you use? 030: But that- uh those uh I don't know what they call that thing they put up and pull the rope and it would #1 cut # Interviewer: #2 low pruner? # 030: Yeah, low pruner. Now I've seen those used and then they- now most of the time though they use those little saws. Electrical saws. Interviewer: Yeah kinda like {X} 030: Yeah but I- they those pruning things are still very much in demand cause I seen a man cut 'em away from around the wires and Interviewer: The uh uh next question will be about kinds of food. Could you tell me about some of the different cuts of beef that you might use? 030: Well a chuck roast, you mean stuff like that? A chuck roast or buy stew meat uh steaks, ribeye, um T-bone or something like that. Interviewer: But you know, the ribeye steak, how's it different from the T- is it different, how's it different from the T-bone? 030: Uh, let me see. {NW} A T-bone steak really has a more or less like a bone uh T-bone in it but a ribeye steak to me, Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: It's not as goos as a T-bone steak. But it's- it's o- it's nice- it's #1 I don't- it's- it's the way it's cut. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 030: It's kind of a long, yeah, uh-huh. Interviewer: What about the cut- different cuts of pork- what kind of different cuts of pork might you use? 030: Um {X} Well, just about everything on the hog. Um, you have the ham, the ham hocks, the shoulder, pig feet, pig tails, chitterlings, #1 all of that. You use it all. Pig ears, everything. # Interviewer: #2 Are there # different kinds of ham that you might use? 030: Um, you mean like Interviewer: Different varieties of ham? 030: Um, you know it's kind of hard for me to think about that because you know I go in the store and buy mine in the can, a rolled ham, one that's already no-bone, boneless. {NW} Uh I don't know. Interviewer: Good for you. I guess you get the like smoked ham or 030: Yeah, you get smoked ham, smoked bacon, country bacon, or {NW} country ham. Uh. {NW} Uh then you have some hams that aren't even cured that you could buy and pick up, but- but more or less they call those the fresh- uh pork shoulder I think what they did. Interviewer: What about- do you ever have any lamb? Ever eaten lamb? 030: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What different cuts of lamb might you use? 030: Um, uh, let me see. I've had lamb chops, I've had leg of lamb, uh but that's just about all. Interviewer: I don't think I've ever had any lamb at all. 030: Oh. {NW} Interviewer: But what about poultry? Do you have any different cuts or different 030: #1 Do you mean # Interviewer: #2 varieties of chickens like # {D: fryer or broiler?} 030: Yeah. Hens, fryers or broilers. parts of chicken, chicken, chicken. Interviewer: What's the difference between a fryer and a broiler? Is it 030: Well, one is supposed to be a- a little bit larger. A broiler is supposed to be a little bit larger than a fryer. Interviewer: And what about for roasting what might you use? 030: A hen. Interviewer: Hen? 030: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And uh what about sausages? Any different kind- what different kind of sausages or different varieties? 030: Let me see. Smoked sausage, pork sausage, beef sausage, {D: all hot and mild, but} and homemade sausage. But I don't- I don't know any other name for 'em. Interviewer: What about those- those things that you wanted to- {NS} {C: Phone ringing} you might've you know At Smoky Mountain market the thing they have every time that they're famous for 030: Their hot dogs? Yeah. Interviewer: And the- the thing in the middle, the meat, what would you call that? The kind- the meat that you have in the hot dog or in the bun? 030: You- you mean chili? Interviewer: Or in yours or in the bun you put what, what could you call the meat? You'd call that a hot dog? 030: Yeah. I mean that's what we call a hot dog. Interviewer: And uh well you've seen the kind of sandwich where you get several different kinds of meats and cheeses 030: A club sandwich? Yeah. Interviewer: And uh what about the thing you might you might drink with a sandwich? You might go to the machine and get a 030: Coke. Or soft drink or pop or a- a cold drink or whatever. Interviewer: That- that Coke. Would you use that to mean any type of cola or just Coca-Cola? 030: Coca-Cola more than li0 more than likely if you ask for a Coke. Most of the times uh what do you what you're gonna drink. Tab, Pepsi, whatever. Interviewer: And um, um anything else you might drink with a say if you didn't want a soft drink, you might have with a sandwich 030: A beer. Yeah. Interviewer: And uh um Are there any- any different things or any different kinds of beer, are there any that you might 030: Yeah, light beer. Um, everybody around here drinks Schlitz or uh- or Schlitz Light. Interviewer: What about the kind that you'd get on tap? 030: Craft beer, uh-huh. Interviewer: And uh what about some of the kinds of sweet cakes and rolls and things that you might have sometimes for breakfast? 030: Well you have sweet rolls, you have cinnamon rolls, you have oh donuts, um you could have coffee cake, you know. Interviewer: What- can you kind of describe a coffee cake to me and tell me? 030: It's um a little round cake with lots of cinnamon. Sometime it has raisins with uh uh powdered sugar icing, you know Interviewer: Is the icing just a white color? 030: Just a kind of a white. Interviewer: What about any different names if you had a donut that had icing on it any different names for that? 030: Well you have cake donuts, you have glazed donuts, you have coconut donuts with- well this is toppings now chocolate, some of everything, cinnamon, apple, lemon filled, cherry filled. {NW} Interviewer: {D: Do you still} the donuts that are jelly filled, any special name for the kind 030: #1 No, they call them j- jelly- # Interviewer: #2 that are jelly filled? # 030: uh jelly donuts. Uh-huh. Interviewer: And what about maybe a rectangular instead of. What 030: They call 'em turnovers? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or donuts kind of rectangular and frosted like that? 030: No. Interviewer: Instead of being round, ever seen one like that? 030: No. Interviewer: The turnovers, what are they? 030: Well they're kind of like an apple turnover or cherry turnover. Interviewer: Ever seen a donut that's kind of like a twisted donut? 030: Yeah and that's what the- what we call, well it's like give me one of those t- twisted donuts {C: laughing} {NW} Interviewer: And when a woman washes the dishes she might remove her 030: Ring. Interviewer: Now do you have any special names if someone had a ring that was very large and pretentious you thought maybe? 030: Well, usually those are cocktail rings or something like that when you see somebody with a big ring on but then th- uh they wear everything. {NW} You have turquoise rings, silver rings, uh spoon rings, uh all kinds of rings now and they wear 'em every day. Interviewer: Now I've seen those spoon rings, does that match your china and your um silver- 030: I don't know. Don't you ask me. People- I just whenever I go somewhere and see people with rings on all of their fingers, I wonder. {NW} Interviewer: I can't really wear this one a whole lot. I can't wear jewelry, for some reason it makes me 030: Break out. Interviewer: N- never can wear watches, anything 030: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What- now the short- can you tell me different kinds of shorts that men and women might wear you know like an outfit outside, working the yard or 030: Uh just regular Bermuda shorts, or short shorts, and Interviewer: Bermuda shorts. Are they ones that are kind of long? 030: Mm-hmm worn just above the knee. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: And then there are the shorts shorts- short shorts. {NW} Interviewer: And they're the real short ones? 030: Yeah. And, but that's Interviewer: Have you ever seen any that come down about half- below the knees? 030: Um. Yeah, but they're kind of some kind of pants. Interviewer: Yeah those are- Did you ever hear them called calypso pants? 030: Yeah I- I've heard about the calypso pants and I've heard let me see, something else kind of pants they used to call 'em. Interviewer: Oh pedal pushers? 030: Yeah, pedal pushers, that's what they were. And they would come halfway on your legs so that when you were riding bicycles your pants leg didn't get- Interviewer: I've hadn't thought about pedal pushers 030: #1 in a long time # Interviewer: #2 in a long time # 030: {NW} Interviewer: What would you call clothes that were owned previously by somebody else? 030: Like if you're going to a used clothing store? Interviewer: No, no, yeah, or just 030: Hand-me-downs, yeah. Interviewer: And uh, um what about very fashionable or good looking, you know clothes what would you have any name for those? Somebody that's very- what would you say? 030: Uh you mean like uh name brand? Or she wears doors or something like that Very expensive clothes. {NW} Interviewer: Any other name you would just describe what Auxilary: Do you want me to bring something back? 030: Yeah uh {NW} Interviewer: Um, now what about the thing you would store your clothes in in the winter you might put them in a kind of bag to keep out the moths 030: Yeah um you mean like your summer clothes when you store them in the winter? Yeah. Well, let me see what kind of bags are they called, those green plastic bags? Um A clothes- it's something else. They have another name for it. Interviewer: Ever hear 'em call it garment bag? 030: Yeah, garment bags when you go in the store. They um They sell a lot, I've seen a lot uh but they sell those in the spring for you to store your winter clothes in. For um your coats and things like that. Interviewer: Are they- is that different from the kind you'd say you were going on a trip, traveling, the kind you might carry your clothes in? 030: #1 Yeah, they're very different. # Interviewer: #2 What would you call those? # 030: Um. Overnight bags, and uh suit bags, and uh there's one just like that you know a garment bag which you just carry one thing in. Interviewer: What about the bag you might get 'em in at the cleaners, what would you call that when you pick 'em up? 030: Plastic bag Interviewer: #1 Just plastic bag? And uh # 030: #2 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: What about different styles of shoes out there. Not for brand names but you know different styles of shoes that men and women wear? 030: #1 You mean like loafers and hush puppies and T-straps? # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # What- what's a T-strap now? 030: Uh, that's a sandal #1 {D: with the uh-huh with the uh the T- come str- with the strap coming straight up you know fasten around ankle} # Interviewer: #2 All kinds. # 030: But um Interviewer: What about the ones that would come up on the uh calf? 030: A mini boot? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 030: But that's a hush puppy more or less {NW} Well, uh let me see. Well, then they have tennis shoes and sandals, everything. Interviewer: What about different names for different kinds of hairstyles, you know like The- the what women used to wear when they {D: cut- cut layered like that} 030: Yeah, well they have um I don't know what hairstyles I know names for. There used to be pageboys and all these things but now they have the feather cut, um the dutch boy cut, like the short and sassy #1 you- just any. {NW} You just # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Oh I don't have anything for that myself. I just go in and tell her nothing. Leave it down. 030: #1 Yeah. And what, you know, usually when I go get my hair washed, it's just rolled in a basic roll # Interviewer: #2 Just- just above # 030: and she's how you want it combed and I say well, I'll just comb it you know and you just- I don't have any particular names for Interviewer: That uh did you- any name that you'd have for say uh a boy or a man with womanish ways? What would- what kind of name would- 030: Well, sometimes he would be called a homo, sometimes he could be called gay, a sissy, and well {D: a kooks} {D: you name it, they'll call him anything} Interviewer: This would be- you- you might even call him gay or homo even if he were not? 030: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And what about if he in fact were homosexual? What would you call him? Gay or? 030: Uh-huh. Or si- you know those sissies that live over there or those gay people. Interviewer: What about a woman who has mannish ways? Maybe she you know she's straight but she still kind of acting mannish? 030: Uh-huh, well they sometimes they call her to say she's a lesbian and sometimes they call her a dyke or you- you know just {NW} Yeah, any of those terms. Interviewer: And um now say um a male or a man who is indiscreet about his sex life or something like that, kind of in- just indiscreet, any name for him? Do you know what I'm trying to- 030: Yeah, one that just goes around and- call him a whore {NW} Uh just um I don't know {D: cause it's so many people} Mm. {NW} Interviewer: A woman who is the same way, she's just indiscreet kind of any special name for her? 030: No, just same old thing, you'd call her a whore too, you know she'll do anything. Interviewer: And um let's see What about um an unattractive boy or man, just really very unattractive #1 {D: any name you might use for him?} # 030: #2 {X} # No, if he was ugly, you'd just say he's ugly. You're just an ugly dude sitting over there, you know. Interviewer: What about a woman who is just unattractive like that? Any name for her? 030: No you'd just call 'em ugly. Interviewer: Now what about a man who's very attractive, very handsome than any old fellow. What would you- any name for him? You'd say he's a 030: Good looking dude, more than likely. Interviewer: What about for a woman who's- 030: Um let me see what would they call a good looking woman? {D: that's some of anything} Nice, just a fine chick, fine babe, you know. Interviewer: You ever something like foxy or? 030: Yeah, did you see the fox that went by you know all that stuff yeah Interviewer: What about a person who all the time reading, just can't, you know that's all that they do 030: {NW} Yeah. Oh yeah um I don't know what they call me cause I read a lot. And they call- sometimes they call me antisocial uh whole bunch of things but Interviewer: Ever hear 'em call bookworm? 030: Yeah, they call you a bookworm you know don't you ever hear- there's nothing else more exciting to you than a book but {NW} Interviewer: I read a lot, too. 030: Yeah. Interviewer: What- do you ever remember as a child when another child who would all the time trying to get praise and stuff from the teacher the whole time 030: A teacher's pet. Yeah, stayed in this- stayed in her face all the time. Interviewer: You ever hear anyone when he said what he's doing, ever say that he was brown-nosing? Ever hear that term? 030: Uh-uh. I heard Interviewer: Apple-polish? 030: Yeah now I've heard 'em call apple-polisher and uh some of the kids at school would uh let Big Mac do it cause he's gonna do it anyway, you know {NW} Interviewer: What do you- when you were coming up on second grade The first school that you went to you'd call that- 030: First grade, second grade. Interviewer: What would you call all those grades together, you would say what kind of school? 030: Elementary school. Interviewer: Did they have- What grades did that go through? 030: One through six. Interviewer: What did you go to after elementary? 030: Junior high school. Interviewer: That was what? 030: Six through eight. Uh no The ninth grade, you stayed until you get to the ninth grade. Then you went to a high school. Interviewer: Did that- What ten- 030: Ten through twelve, uh-huh. Interviewer: And uh say that in a in a school where you go out and shoot baskets, the building where you play basketball 030: Go in the gym. Yeah. Interviewer: And um let's see. What about the place where you go to wash your hands in school? 030: Uh well They would- you would wash your hands in the restroom, right when you would go, but see n- they had a big fountain- they had one of those big old fountains in the hall and you just stepped on it and washed your hands and then line up went in the cafeteria. {NW} Interviewer: Never heard of that before. 030: Well, we had one in Park City now. Interviewer: Huh. 030: It's a big fountain and it- and you- t- kids just- one person stands on it and everybody washes their hands when water comes out. Everybody washes their hands and then you come around, get your little paper towel. Interviewer: Everybody else just had restrooms. 030: {NW} Yeah. Interviewer: The uh kind of fence that you might have around a playground at school any name for that, you know it's wire kind of 030: Yeah, I know what you're talking about but uh no it was just a fence you know uh-huh. Interviewer: And um next um are a set of questions or slang terms or terms you might hear for different nationalities, ethnic groups um for example, for orientals, you ever heard any slang terms for someone of oriental descent? 030: Um you um let me see. There's japs, and uh I can't remember what they call the Chinese people. Call 'em mm Interviewer: Have you ever heard the term chink? 030: Yeah, chink and, but it was they have a new name now for Koreans but I can't think of that. Interviewer: Hmm, I don't know any- 030: {NW} #1 No # Interviewer: #2 I heard # Gooks for Vietnamese. 030: Yeah. Interviewer: Did you did you ever 030: Um yeah I heard all of that but Interviewer: Well what about for a Roman Catholic, any name? any kind of slang term? 030: No I uh I don't remember any- not for any Catholic Interviewer: Any- what about for a Protestant, especially a um 030: Okay. Interviewer: Uh say um especially fundamentalist Protestant sects, any name for them? 030: No, Methodist, Baptist, and all that mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about for Jewish people any names, kind of slang terms for them? 030: Those dirty Jews. {NW} Interviewer: The next one maybe not quite so familiar, what about Germans? Some people of German descent any slang terms you ever heard? 030: I've heard it, but I really don't know uh. Interviewer: Ever heard krauts or anything? 030: Yeah I've heard of krauts and stuff like that. Well I- #1 I um they- I heard that on TV last week. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 030: {D: When they was in Skoki} What is it? #1 {D: Skoki} # Interviewer: #2 {D: Skoki} # 030: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay, what about Dutch people, any name for them? 030: Not that I know of. Interviewer: Italians? 030: Um What do they call Italians? Yeah, I've heard names for 'em. Uh that all the Italians supposed to be mafia or related people but they have uh #1 the spics, uh-huh that's what they- # Interviewer: #2 {X} # You ever heard wop or dago? 030: Yeah, yeah I've heard that wops and dagos. Interviewer: What- what about Poles, any name? 030: Yeah um They call Polish people dagos, too, don't they? Interviewer: They may- I don't- 030: {X} all the time #1 Yeah I well I've seen # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 030: In Detroit. That's mostly a Polish section. Interviewer: I've never been there. 030: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 Really never. # As far as I know, know anybody. What about Russians, any name for 'em? 030: No, I don't know any Russian- Interviewer: Czechs? 030: I've heard it, but you know Interviewer: For Czechoslovakian people, any name for them? 030: Uh-uh. I don't know. Interviewer: What about Lithuanians? 030: Whatever. I don't know whatever they are {C: laughing} Interviewer: What about an Englishman so like from Britain, any kind of slang term for him? 030: No, not that I can think of. Interviewer: What about an I- Irishman, any slang term for him? 030: I've heard slang terms for Irish people. Interviewer: Ever heard him called nick or 030: Yeah. But you know when you don't Interviewer: Don't say 'em? 030: Some uh you just don't associate names and things with 'em. Interviewer: And what about for a Scotsman, somebody from Scotland. Any name for a Scottish man? 030: No, not that I know of. Interviewer: And what about a Frenchman? Any name for him? {C: phone ringing in background} 030: Not really. Interviewer: Or uh 030: Let me see, French people. Mm-mm. Interviewer: What about a Cajun, you know somebody in Louisiana, the Cajuns? 030: Yeah, now I've read about the Cajuns, but Interviewer: There were no names? 030: Nuh-uh but they- what'd they call 'em? Um Kay jay? They have a name for 'em in that section of the world but like I said I don't know Interviewer: What about Greeks? Cubans? 030: No. Well, let me see what have I ever heard Cubans called? {NW} All of 'em are called foreigners. {NW} Interviewer: Puerto Ricans? Any name for them? 030: Yeah let me see, Puerto Ricans. I don't remember. Interviewer: What about Mexicans, any name for Mexicans? 030: Nothing but a mex or they oh I don't know Interviewer: Or Scandinavians? 030: Mm-mm. Interviewer: Canadians? 030: {NW} No. Interviewer: Okay, that's that section. 030: {NW} Interviewer: And what about any slang- slang terms for Democrats and Republicans? You know different people in political parties, ever heard any slang terms for um Democrats or Republicans? 030: I'm sure I have, but I just- I don't remember, you know. Uh. No, right off-hand I can't think of any. Interviewer: Now say someone who uh maybe a few years back, the people that had real long hair and beads and out in San Francisco What would you call them? 030: Uh I would say hippies. Flower children and all that stuff. Interviewer: Um. 030: {NW} Interviewer: Was that- that term- would you use that just specifically to the people of that subculture or was that ever used any broader way, hippie? 030: Yeah, well it was used everywhere. You know, um you could find a hippie anywhere where if his hair was long and he was kind of shaggy with uh oh don't let him tie something around his head. Then he was definitely a hippie. Interviewer: So really just appearance? 030: Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And uh what about the name when you have say someone {C: coughing} and he was in a non-romantic relationship with a member of the same sex you know just real close to someone say another woman but you know it's definitely just 030: Just a friendship? Um. N- is there another name for that? Interviewer: I- just best friends all I'd ever 030: Yeah that's all we've ever said, my best friend. Interviewer: And uh what about say somebody who's kind of a surrogate parent you know who was like a mother or father to you, you ever 030: {NW} Like my foster mother or I love- yeah foster mother. Well, I have two mothers, Ms. so-and-so and my mother. Interviewer: Now um When you were in elementary school, was there ever, you know, a group of kids you hung around with? 030: Uh-uh. I never could make it in with the in-group {NW} No, there were- there were always uh little cliques {X} but I never had- was one of the- I read too much. I didn't ever- I didn't have a best friend when we were going to school because I was just fascinated with books and I read a lot and unless we were skating or riding bicycles or something like that, I was reading and I just never did get a best friend. #1 Uh-huh. # Auxilary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Were there ever any kind of word games or rough kind of word games that people would play? Like uh maybe a contest where people would- each speaker would insult each other or that kind of- 030: No, like a debate, no. We had- we- now we had oh um Bible drills. That you know, th- that you had to know that when somebody would give you the verse you had to find it in the Bible, where it was, yeah. Now we had Bible drills and things like that but I don't know anything about any Interviewer: When you uh- did they ever maybe the boys get out and they have a game where one of 'em would insult the other's family and back and forth like that out? 030: #1 {D: When they called playing the dozens and stuff like} # Interviewer: #2 Did they ever- did you # You ever see that? Have they ever 030: {NW} No, I've heard somebody say he was playing the dozens with him or her or something, but not really actually sit in on any of this. Interviewer: Would any- when new kids moved into the neighborhood did they ever have any kind of initiation rites or anything like that? Was there anything you'd ever do to new kids when they moved in? 030: Mm. Interviewer: Or pretty much accepted them right off? 030: Um they never did have any kind of they- they were just, you know, you would have- that's- people get- you'd get to see 'em in a day or two then Interviewer: #1 Just kind of fit right in? # 030: #2 Uh-huh. # Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. What's some of the kind of games that you would play as a kid? 030: {NW} Well, we played jack rocks, we played house. {NW} We played uh, let me see, ball, basketball, softball. {NW} Let me see. Interviewer: Any kind of hiding games? 030: Yeah, we played hide- and-go-seek. We did j- we jumped rope. Um I'm trying to think of the name of this game where you would be in the middle of the the street and they would throw the ball at you. Interviewer: #1 Oh we played that. # 030: #2 Yeah. # And- and uh you'd be- you know you had to keep moving all the times. #1 And then # Interviewer: #2 Dodgeball. # 030: Dodgeball, yeah. Interviewer: Yeah, we played that. 030: Played that a lot. And uh that's about the size of it, just all neighborhood games. Interviewer: Did you ever play any games where you had two lines and people had to run over, you know? Where uh you'd maybe form two lines or did you ever play what we call red rover? 030: No, I don't remember that. Interviewer: Or did- any kind of a rain game? 030: Yeah, no we used to play little Sally Walker and games like that. Interviewer: How would you play that? 030: Everybody'd put, they uh make a circle and little Sally Walker sitting in the saucer, and rise Sally rise, wipe your weeping eyes and fly to the east and fly to the west and fly to the one you love the best and course this was the one you were supposed to go get and kiss him and this is a small kids' game where all the boys are hollering don't get me. Don't be kissing me, you know. {NW} Interviewer: Ever play any any rough games in the neighborhood that were I guess maybe boys might. 030: Yeah um we used to have tug of war in our neighborhood. It was pretty rough but it wasn't dangerous. But, you know, just- cause um I- the kids can't play like we did. Interviewer: Yeah. 030: {NW} They just- they don't have uh- they can't because it's um Interviewer: Guess they have too many toys. 030: {NW} Yeah and um {X} You know like the section of town I was raised in there was not very many cars. And we skate we would skate off of this hill and ride bicycles and play dodgeball and everything was did uh right in front of the house, in the street. Interviewer: You ever play any marble- any games with marbles? 030: Oh yeah, we had to play marbles. I used to be the champion in my neighborhood. Interviewer: Oh really? 030: Yeah. Interviewer: I was never very good at it. 030: {NW} {X} I used to play football. You know, what we would call touch ball. And if my mother wasn't at home. Interviewer: Yeah. 030: But if she was home, I couldn't play. Interviewer: Did they ever seem to play knife games? 030: #1 Uh with the- let me see. What'd they call it, Winnipeg? # Interviewer: #2 {D: Where you- when you throw} # Yeah. 030: Mm-hmm. Mumblepeg. Interviewer: Yeah yeah mumble- uh-huh. 030: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Yeah, what about when you were in high school and so forth did you have different kinds of parties? What kinds of parties? Like would you have a party where all the girls would go and spend the night or- 030: Yeah we had slumber parties. We used to have what would call trip around the world parties. Interviewer: What were those? 030: Well like uh you would pick out three houses in three different places. You would meet at this house and you and stay so long then you'd go to the next house maybe on two streets over but you had to walk. You know, and then you would go to another house about three or four blocks away but each one of these houses would serve you and have music and dance, but you never stayed long. And then come back to the one {NW} what they would call trip around the world parties. Interviewer: What kind of music did you listen to mostly? When you were coming up? 030: Well, most of it was Christian music, I can tell you that. But- Interviewer: Gospel? 030: Yeah, gospel music but oh there was time for the Glemn Miller records and {NW} Camp Bassey and all those kind of things {C: spelling?} Interviewer: You still listen to the same things or? 030: Yeah, if I can find it. And sometimes I um I don't like rock music. It's just too much for me. It's too loud. {NW} Interviewer: Um well that's all the specific questions I had, is there anything was there anything about local culture of the area that I didn't ask that you would've expected me to ask? 030: Uh-uh. {C: phone ringing} Let me get my phone real fast. I don't know whether there was anything else about we could have talked about. Interviewer: Me either. I appreciate-