interviewer: #1 certain um # 079: #2 mm-hmm mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 teaching # 079: #2 how how they teaching 'em to # multiply divide add and subtract and so on interviewer: there's still a good bit of drill 079: #1 yeah yeah # interviewer: #2 with what they're doing # you can't get away from that 079: you can't get away from it if you're teaching 'em anything that's true so interviewer: {NW}um all of these that we have been talking about are pieces 079: #1 of # interviewer: #2 of # 079: furniture interviewer: um what do you call um okay what do you call the things that you have behind your sheer curtains? 079: I call them window shades interviewer: um do you distinguish in your the term that you use between those and the 079: #1 the venetian blinds # interviewer: #2 the flat # 079: mm-hmm yep I have window shades in here and I have venetian blinds in yonder mm-hmm interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: wasn't with it I should have noticed that 079: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 {X} # uh what do you call the place where you store your clothes? 079: closet interviewer: alright um is putting the two words together you would call it 079: a clothes closet interviewer: um is there a kind of a closet that is not recessed in the wall 079: wardrobe or something like that now you got that now that's a term interviewer: #1 one that's # 079: #2 that # interviewer: #1 movable # 079: #2 uh-huh uh-huh # that's something that's almost gone out of American furniture is a wardrobe #1 houses now used to be the other without any closets # interviewer: #2 the oldest houses have # 079: everything was in kept in wardrobes mm-hmm interviewer: uh what do you call the space in a house between the top floor of living space and the roof? 079: attic interviewer: uh and what do you call the room where you do your food preparation? 079: kitchen interviewer: okay would you um tell me something about the equipment in a kitchen um 079: you mean today interviewer: well a little bit of both have there been changes? 079: there are definitely changes of course since I anybody my age can remember interviewer: #1 mention some of # 079: #2 very different changes # interviewer: #1 that # 079: #2 mm-hmm # the from the cook stove to the gas stove to in this town where oil stoves were quite popular of course they're still used some places uh and then the electrical st-stove is almost of course gas is still popular but gas and electricity has completely replaced the wood stove you'd go a long way to find somebody cooking on a wood stove interviewer: #1 yes that's right # 079: #2 now wouldn't you # and uh then another thing that has changed so every kitchen years and years ago had a cupboard sort of thing that was called a safe and always had metal {X} was on the doors and there was always a pricked pattern on those doors and you kept your food in the safe in the wintertime you put the dishes uh what ever was left the leftovers in the safe until supper time cause you didn't have any refrigerator and you had ice in the su- in the winter you see and uh so there's always a safe in the kitchen and um then let me see what else of course dishwashers entirely new within the last what twenty twenty-five years maybe not that long interviewer: what do you have in your kitchen that would take the place of a safe anything 079: uh the place of a safe? interviewer: any 079: well actually it would be the refrigerator {X} cause you see we keep you keep all perishable foods now in the refrigerator interviewer: uh what about um baked goods was there a s- did you put your baked goods in? 079: #1 you used to # interviewer: #2 the safe too # 079: to have uh bread box that you kept it in I can remember well we never thought to putting bread in the r- in the ice box when we were children kept it in a bread box {NW} and if you had uh fairly good size house you had a pantry if you didn't you had some kind of shelves where you kept your canned goods and things like that interviewer: uh what do you have in your kitchen now where you would keep dishes and 079: #1 cupboards # interviewer: #2 such? # 079: uh cupboards I guess you'd call 'em mm-hmm interviewer: alright um do you remember anything about a outside kitchen 079: #1 no # interviewer: #2 that you had? # 079: that was further {NW} a lot further back but you know they did have years ago interviewer: I didn't know they did 079: #1 ye-well yeah they did honey yes they did # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 079: uh if you go to some of the old houses if you go to Mount Vernon if you go to uh up here to the Vann place the Vann house up uh {X} which was a fine home that Joseph Vann who was an Indian chief interviewer: mm-hmm 079: had and then of course he had to go west when all the others were going west but it's been restored very interesting outside kitchen uh any of the old houses that you visit the kitchen was not in the main house it was out a ways from it they didn't think all the cooking odors and everything should get into the house and how they ever got it to the table hot I don't know interviewer: #1 I remember # 079: #2 but I guess they did # interviewer: with Mount Vernon 079: mm-hmm interviewer: there being they said there were little slave boys who were called runners 079: yes interviewer: #1 who who # 079: #2 ran back and forth # with the food yeah interviewer: #1 I remember that now that I didn't remember # 079: #2 and uh # interviewer: #1 until you just told me # 079: #2 even in the houses # that weren't as pretentious as that they had uh the kitchen somewhat separated from the house interviewer: and you only had one kitchen 079: #1 yes and now some of them had uh # interviewer: #2 {X} # 079: called a summer kitchen I've heard people use the term summer kitchen and perhaps that was away from the house to keep the heat from the house and they may have have uh uh kitchen in the house in the winter and now never since I can remember did people have an outside kitchen but um certainly back in the civil war days they did I'd say that went out probably in the seventies or something like that seventies or eighties interviewer: hmm 079: mm-mm interviewer: um let's see what would you call i-is there um um general term that you would use for a lot of worthless articles that you'd say aw that's just 079: um rubbish or trash {NW} interviewer: and there was a man used to come around and pick up things like this and you'd called him the some kind of man 079: hmm now we used to speak of the trash man coming mm-hmm drove the trash wagon {NW} before the day of of trucks and everything {C: laughing} now we never did have anybody who came around and bought up rummage or anything like that might have in some areas interviewer: #1 well the word that I was really looking for # 079: #2 what's the word # interviewer: #1 is um also used # 079: #2 what what # interviewer: now to speak uh to a slang term for a drug addict 079: {X} all I can think of is pusher interviewer: #1 {X} {NW} # 079: #2 that's the one that sells isn't it # uh huh I can't think of the word you want interviewer: uh how about junk 079: yes yes now that's a common word with us I think of it more in connection with uh metallic uh stuff if you had uh some old {X} I don't know I guess you you sell you'd sell anything for junk I couldn't think what you were getting at honey interviewer: #1 it's difficult # 079: #2 now when we were children # there was a man we knew good friend of ours who had a junk shop that was his business and he would take anything you know interviewer: what would you call a place in your house where you stored your junk 079: #1 mm-mm let's see # interviewer: #2 or # 079: {NW} if you had a basement you have uh store room or something course what's the term you use today utility room interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 that's a new term # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 you just call it that # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: um what would you call the um object that you use not an electrical object but a hand 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 pushed object # that you use to sweep the floor? 079: carpet sweeper people used to have carpet sweepers interviewer: that and but before that even a more primitive object 079: well of course broom you just thinking of the term broom interviewer: #1 alright # 079: #2 and um # interviewer: um if I if if you would imagine for just a minute {NS} 079: mm-hmm interviewer: that I had a broom in my hand 079: mm-hmm interviewer: and I took it and put it here 079: uh-huh interviewer: then I said where's the broom 079: mm-mm well I'd just say back of the door #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 that's fine # 079: #1 {NW} {NS} # interviewer: #2 do you need to answer your phone # 079: my sister will I guess let's see she might rather I would {X} for anybody like that interviewer: #1 what um # 079: #2 on that # interviewer: ages do they have during {X} 079: we have from the ninth through the twelfth just senior high well in some some places yeah we have sixth seventh and eighth is junior high in most places so what ours is is four years of senior high interviewer: uh boys and girls 079: no just boys interviewer: #1 just boys # 079: #2 they've talked about # making it co-ed this year but they said they would if they had as many as fifty applicants well they didn't have quite that many I think they thought it wouldn't be too good to have too small a number of girls and a large number of boys but we'll probably be co-ed next year and I hope we will {X} I've taught all I've taught all girls I've taught all boys and I've taught 'em together so it doesn't matter interviewer: #1 you've had 'em in all ways # 079: #2 {NW} in all ways yup # all different ways interviewer: oh I think your phone's ringing 079: again yup it is just fascinating it wasn't so much about it except the islands and area around it uh one of Victoria Holt's her last book and it really was just fascinating to me because the ship's starting to go ashore and I can just see us going to shore and uh Quito Ecuador and {NW} interviewer: #1 oh # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 do you think that where # 079: #2 mm-hmm # interviewer: that Australia now is where all the potential is? 079: well I expect it is what this country was in the eighteen hundreds don't you interviewer: #1 {X} # 079: #2 so much undeveloped # mm-hmm they say it's just beautiful just beautiful well we better get to our cards interviewer: #1 yes honey # 079: #2 huh # interviewer: I hate to keep taking up 079: #1 we'll visit the rest of the afternoon won't we sweetie # interviewer: #2 so much of your time but I'm afraid I could sit here and talk # 079: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 with you all day # 079: I know we could interviewer: did you go to the concert last night? 079: no but my sister did and she said it was just wonderful interviewer: I thought you might be involved 079: #1 uh-huh # interviewer: #2 in that # 079: #1 and for a number of years I helped sell tickets to it # interviewer: #2 you were telling me about it # 079: but I haven't done it in the last few years interviewer: #1 I gather that this organiz- # 079: #2 I'm not very music minded I just did it cause I was civic minded # interviewer: #1 oh # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: I gather that this organization is something like the Atlanta music 079: yes it is something like that baby sponsored these programs for uh I guess fifteen twenty years now interviewer: that's pretty worth while 079: yeah it's good it brings good things to town interviewer: #1 well if there isn't an organization like # 079: #2 that we wouldn't get # interviewer: #1 that # 079: #2 mm-hmm it just doesn't you just don't get it # that's right interviewer: #1 well that's but # 079: #2 well now let's answer a little uh briefly # interviewer: {NW} 079: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 {NW} # when your clothes get dirty uh what do you call the process you go through to get them clean again 079: well you just mean washing like if I'm gonna wash them myself or send them to the dry cleaners if I'm not gonna do it myself hmm interviewer: alright and after you wash them 079: then I iron them now if I'm just if I have a linen dress that is a little wrinkled but it isn't dirty I press that I had to make a distinction between pressing and ironing I iron something that's just been washed it's gotta be ironed but if the dress is a little wrinkled I press it {NW} interviewer: and what do you call this washing drying and ironing process uh called doing the 079: well you'd uh gu- I guess most people call it doing the laundry uh some people would say doing the washing I don't wash anything that I can help I send the sheets and pillow cases and everything and towels to the laundry and just wash underclothes so I don't do a big washing but a lot of people if they yes now if they do uh use a l- uh washing machine and they have a lot of children I hear 'em say oh I do two and three loads a week something like that so they'd speak of it that way interviewer: what do you call the part of a house that extends in front of it 079: #1 the porch # interviewer: #2 um # right do you make a distinction or do you know of 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 people who do # between the front and the back 079: no not in this area I would say wouldn't you now if you lived in in Charleston you might speak of the garry or something but uh we would m- we'd say front porch and back porch interviewer: #1 the garry would be what? # 079: #2 that'd be the only distinction # uh to my mind the gallery is a long porch like on those houses in Charleston interviewer: mm-hmm 079: something like that interviewer: does it make a difference if a porch has a roof or not 079: yes we would speak of one that didn't have a roof as a terrace wouldn't we or a patio or something of the sort interviewer: and whether it's screened or not screened? 079: #1 no I don't believe I'd make any distinction there # interviewer: #2 or {X} # 079: except to speak of a screened porch interviewer: and how about size does this make a difference in terminology? 079: you mean if it were interviewer: if it were large or long 079: oh size first I thought you said {X} no I don't believe I'd have any difference I'd just say a large porch she has a big porch or a large porch I don't believe I'd have any distinction in terminology interviewer: if your front door were open you might say to someone? 079: #1 close the door # interviewer: #2 can you # 079: close it uh except I might say shut the door but most of the time we'd say close the door I believe interviewer: what do you call the outside boards that are on a house usually wood but they could be aluminum 079: I call it weather boarding we did as we were growing up and now the term siding aluminum siding has come in interviewer: do you think of siding as being only aluminum or could it be wood too 079: I would think of it just as aluminum I believe uh some people might well think of it as wood but if it were if it were wood I'd either call it shingles or uh old fashioned weather boarding interviewer: now let's talk about the word drive 079: alright interviewer: today I will get in the car 079: #1 and drive # interviewer: #2 and # 079: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 079: #1 {X} # interviewer: #2 there we go again # 079: {NW} interviewer: yesterday I 079: drove interviewer: and many times {NS} 079: #1 I have # interviewer: #2 I have # 079: driven interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 I put in a good word # to get {D: Adi Terry} Mister John Walrickem's uh stepdaughter interviewer: #1 oh did he # 079: #2 who lives with him # uh to well he wasn't scared but now that would scare him you see interviewer: #1 yes now this is # 079: #2 he'd be afraid he'd say it wrong # bless his heart interviewer: #1 that's right # 079: #2 mm-hmm # interviewer: and this is something sometime we 079: I I would omit it with people I thought didn't know {NW} interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: uh what do you call the top part of the house the extreme top part 079: #1 well just are you thinking of the roof # interviewer: #2 on the outside {NS} # 079: mm-hmm interviewer: and what are the {NS} channels by which the water is taken from the roof 079: #1 I call the term gutter # interviewer: #2 {X} # 079: call them gutter pipes sometimes interviewer: what are the lowplaces between the gables on a roof called? 079: hmm let me think well I can't even think of a word honey that I want to say I just can't say what would I say interviewer: um 079: {NW} I don't know what word you're trying to make me say interviewer: #1 uh what about when # 079: #2 you you can say something # and I'll say whether it's common usage with me interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: uh it's a word I'm thinking of sometimes you think of hills as versus 079: valleys interviewer: do you ever hear that 079: I wouldn't think of calling it that I don't believe maybe I just never called that anything {NW:laughing} could couldn't think of a word interviewer: #1 I'm afraid I've never called it # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 anything # 079: #2 uh-huh # {NW} interviewer: what do you call an outdoor toilet 079: I'd just call it an outdoor toilet now there are different words for it never could bear the word privy I think that sounds horrible but that is what a lot of people call it used to call it years ago when they had that but if I were gone tell anybody that I went to a very primitive place {X} an outside or outdoor toilet I'd say mm-hmm interviewer: uh did you that noise 079: did you hear interviewer: yes I 079: heard {NW} interviewer: as a matter of fact I have heard 079: heard it many times {NW} interviewer: now if you really wanted to tell me 079: mm-hmm interviewer: that you had not heard this before and you wanted to emphasize the fact that you had not you might say I 079: Have never heard that before or that's the first time I ever heard that or I've never heard of that interviewer: when a person gets married he says to the minister I 079: do or I will I do I believe interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: I don't chew tobacco but he 079: he does or he chews tobacco interviewer: he used to smoke but now he 079: he does not interviewer: have you any more work to do in the field no I it yesterday 079: I did it yesterday interviewer: #1 and # 079: #2 or I finished yesterday # interviewer: then I'd say are you sure and you say yes I have 079: finished I have done it interviewer: alright if someone asks you are you absolutely sure and inside you really weren't all that sure 079: mm-hmm interviewer: you might say to them no I'm not? 079: positive I'm not absolutely certain interviewer: then uh if someone asks you did you talk to him recently you might say yes I talking to him yesterday 079: I was talking to him yesterday interviewer: and if someone if I asked you did I talk to him you might say yes you 079: talked to him yesterday interviewer: #1 or # 079: #2 or you did talk to him # interviewer: #1 or using the {X} # 079: #2 you have talked to him # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 you talking # 079: #2 but if I # interviewer: #1 u-using talking you # 079: #2 you what # interviewer: #1 talking # 079: #2 you were talking # to him yesterday interviewer: have you thought about that today you might say I thinking since I got out of bed about that 079: I have been thinking interviewer: what do y- is another term that you would use for your home referring just to the building you might say my? 079: my house interviewer: and if you had two of them 079: #1 my houses # interviewer: #2 you might say # what is the large building on a farm that's usually used to house animals? 079: generally called a barn now sometimes you speak of a stable that's more just for horses I believe interviewer: uh is there a particular shape that you think of 079: #1 yes you think of # interviewer: #2 when you think of a barn # 079: uh rectangular oblong shape most barns are mm-hmm interviewer: and what do you an area just outside a barn 079: barnyard interviewer: is this fenced is this a fenced area 079: generally in my imagination it would be on a farm there'd be a fence around it an enclosure generally around a barn I believe interviewer: what do you call a building used to store corn 079: crib interviewer: and what is the upper part of the barn called? 079: the loft interviewer: alright can you describe what a loft looks like? 079: it is um generally floored with rough planking and not uh sealed or anything overhead just the rafters showing and the sloped roof of course is sloping interviewer: what about openings? 079: um let me see generally at the front and back there would be uh uh maybe a door that opened the hay could be brought up through or something like that and big barns might have windows along the side interviewer: what do you call the object that's formed when hay is mowed and then dragged together it's formed into 079: #1 hay # interviewer: #2 what # 079: hay stacks sometimes and i-is mow is M-O-W hay mow is that right word for that I think I'd just say it's in see the hay stacks I think I'd say interviewer: does the word change at all according to the size of it i-i-if it were very small ones would you call them something different 079: well now Did we say hay is that what we're talking about? uh depends uh here we've got uh whether these modern machines makes it up in a bale as it goes interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 that'd be smaller {NW} # interviewer: {X} a little more primitive 079: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 079: I can't think of a word for a small a small stack of hay interviewer: do you you don't think of one 079: now what word have you got in mind interviewer: #1 well um # 079: #2 I'll tell you # if I ever heard it interviewer: well not really but have heard ever heard of haycock 079: I've heard that but it's not in my vocabulary I wouldn't use it I haven't seen it enough in print I I uh maybe remember sometime seeing it but it's not common to me at all interviewer: alright what do you call the places if there's more than one where hay is stored in a barn? 079: hayloft yeah I guess that's about the only think I can think of interviewer: #1 alright # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: what do you call a shelter for cows 079: other than a barn or interviewer: #1 other than the # 079: #2 stable # interviewer: #1 the barn # 079: #2 mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 # 079: #2 # cow pen sometimes where you have a cow enclosed or something um course now you're not thinking of a dairy interviewer: no but now are there separate barns sometimes where cows are kept 079: I suppose so if anybody had even had enough to be a dairy just had several cows but I don't think about anything but just the barn interviewer: is there a special name for a building where cows would be taken to be milked? 079: cattle shed maybe no cow barn is sometimes a term cow is put in front of a barn that's all I can think of honey interviewer: alright uh do you know of an equipment that's used in milking 079: {NW} I'm not much of a farmer interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # #1 yeah it usually hangs # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 079: #1 I used to could milk # interviewer: #2 {NW} # 079: #1 {NW} both my hands # interviewer: #2 {NW} that's beautiful equipment # 079: {NW} and of course today they have milk- milking machines {NW} interviewer: alright 079: hmm interviewer: what is um the animal that's raised on a farm for pork? 079: hog interviewer: and what's the enclosure where they are? 079: uh pigsty of pig pen interviewer: what about a farm and I think perhaps you mentioned this a minute ago that keeps cows for 079: #1 yeah a dairy # interviewer: #2 milking purposes? # and do you know wh-what do you think of when you say dairy? do you think of what I just said? 079: #1 I # interviewer: #2 or um # 079: if you say somebody runs a dairy I think of the big barn and the cows and equipment that they'd have and the cream separators and what not mm-hmm interviewer: now do you make a distinction between the dairy as a dairy farm and the dairy as the people wh-who deliver milk 079: yes today they'd be at the station there are some dairies that are just the business organization the cows the milk and that it's not part of a farm or anything there are some dairies that it's a man who owns a farm and has a large number of cows and sells the milk and in a way you think of it in a little different connection one is a completely just a commercial enterprise for the selling of milk and the other is part of a farm maybe interviewer: but you'd probably refer to them both as dairies? 079: yes I expect so that farmer runs a dairy we'd say mm-hmm interviewer: #1 and just the con- and the context # 079: #2 or has a dairy yeah # interviewer: #1 would really tell you # 079: #2 mm-hmm tell you which you mean # interviewer: alright what do you call the weed that's grown and chopped up to put in to be put inside cigarettes? 079: tobacco interviewer: and what do you call the area where there it is grown? {NS} 079: #1 the the area um # interviewer: #2 the small area where it's grown # 079: #1 # interviewer: #2 # 079: let me see something other than a field tobacco I don't believe that word's comes to me honey interviewer: alright 079: now now tell me what you had in mind interviewer: #1 uh how bout patch # 079: #2 and see # no I'd say a cotton patch but I wouldn't say a tobacco patch interviewer: you would 079: uh now I don't don't people may say it that live where tobacco is raised but I wouldn't uh I'd just say look at that field of tobacco I guess interviewer: #1 alright # 079: #2 I don't think I'd have anything else # interviewer: #1 is there # 079: #2 to in mind # interviewer: besides cotton that you would use in 079: #1 patch # interviewer: #2 re- referring # 079: yes corn patch we speak of a corn patch and a cotton patch but I don't believe anything else {X} interviewer: does patch mean size really do you determine patch by how big the field 079: #1 uh # interviewer: #2 area is? # 079: yes perhaps if it was a great big field of cotton we wouldn't say a cotton patch uh or a great big field of corn I believe it's it tends to be a smaller area interviewer: do you have any other descriptions for fields 079: #1 one thing I thought of another kind of patch # interviewer: #2 or {X} # 079: briar patch born and bred in the briar patch interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 briar rabbit # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 yeah yeah {NW} # uh any other term for field did you say interviewer: any other terms that you might use for fields to distinguish their size I'm wondering 079: let me think there are things I've read and all some big farms they'd speak of a quarter section or something that they had in in cotton or corn great big farms in the west where they had great big areas of cotton uh and where it's laid off in sections and quarter sections but it's not here in this area so I guess I'd just say a large field mm-hmm interviewer: would you name as many different kinds of fences that you can think of? according to their construct- 079: #1 well # interviewer: #2 the material used # 079: #1 old time rail fence # interviewer: #2 in their construction # 079: and wire fence of course which would include a lot of different kinds of wire fences then the kinds of fences they used to have around everybody's yard called a picket fence that was in town that wasn't in the country and then just a plain old board fence that's planks but not a not a what's that first one I said not a rai- not a rail fence interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} {X} like this way or that way # interviewer: #1 right # 079: #2 {NW} # I guess that's about uh interviewer: what would you call a fence around an area where you grew vegetables 079: well now let me see oh you thinking bout a garden fence mm-mm interviewer: and what do you call the uprighting for between which you string the wire 079: the posts interviewer: #1 and- # 079: #2 fence posts # would be my way of interviewer: #1 alright # 079: #2 saying it # mm-hmm interviewer: uh is there are there synonyms for rail fences that you think of? 079: uh now there's something else we call it beside a rail fence seems to me look at that old {NW} can't think of anything but rail interviewer: #1 alright um # 079: #2 but see # there is another word do you another word in mind? interviewer: no 079: #1 uh-huh # interviewer: #2 not particularly # is are there different ty- constructions of rail fences? 079: #1 well not not in my mind # interviewer: #2 the way they are built # 079: the rail fence is the logs you know interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # 079: #2 laying # this way and that way and this way and that way with no nails having to hold 'em mm-hmm interviewer: but there's no other way that they could be put together that you think of 079: not that I would think of as I speak of a rail fence that's what I mean the one's just laid up that way interviewer: alright now now I think maybe we're getting in something that is easier for you 079: #1 I know a little more about # interviewer: #2 kitchen type terms # 079: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 {NW} # men generally know more about farming 079: #1 yeah # interviewer: #2 a little bit more about but # men can certainly be bewildered about kitchen 079: #1 yes I expect so # interviewer: #2 terms # 079: #1 hmm # interviewer: #2 uh if you were # trying to distinguish for someone the two types of dishes that you had 079: mm-hmm interviewer: you would have company dishes of course 079: #1 yeah # interviewer: #2 and your # 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 everyday dishes # in referring to your company dishes you might say my? 079: good china interviewer: and what do you call the round usually white object that you would but in a hen's nest to urge her to 079: #1 um # interviewer: #2 get with it and lay? # 079: call 'em nest eggs china eggs we used to have 'em I think we spo- ko- spoke both of 'em as china eggs interviewer: alright what do you call 079: I'd forgotten about them I hadn't thought of that in years and years interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # It was supposed to encourage them to lay by it interviewer: #1 well it's supposed to make 'em think # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {X} {NW} # interviewer: #1 power of positive thinking # 079: #2 that's right that's right # interviewer: I wonder if they still use those at all? 079: I expect so interviewer: #1 some people {X} # 079: #2 I expect so people that raise # these layers you know hens for eggs I expect they do hmm interviewer: did they use the same thing for darning or was that a different sort 079: a darning egg that was a smooth sort of a thing it wasn't um well now Mama had a little gourd that was so smooth that she used for a darning egg as we called it but you bought them uh but they weren't like an egg that you put in the nest the white china egg they were generally mm-mm sometimes they were on a little handle and you held the little handle interviewer: #1 oh I see # 079: #2 {NW} the # stocking down over it and held it in your hand that way people don't darn stocking anymore interviewer: #1 no they don't # 079: #2 do we # interviewer: I think my mother was the last of the 079: #1 yeah Mama could # interviewer: #2 darners # 079: darn so pretty interviewer: #1 mother taught me how # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 but I don't believe I could do that # 079: #2 yeah {NW} # interviewer: what do you call the utensil that you would use to bring water in from a well? 079: bucket now some people call that a not a {X} that's for a sack isn't it I think I can use another term for bucket that some people in the country use course you can say pail in some areas interviewer: does this make a difference are they synonyms or 079: #1 well I d- # interviewer: #2 you make a distinction? # 079: would never use the word pail uh I would use bucket and bucket would be any fair size container to bring water in carry water in mm-hmm interviewer: and where would you put in what sort of container would you put the food scraps that you had left from a meal 079: I would call that my garbage can interviewer: what do you call the utensil that's put on a stove uh and you usually melt grease in it and put something 079: #1 skillet # interviewer: #2 in it # alright and and it's another name 079: #1 frying pan # interviewer: #2 for it # alright what do you call a heavy iron pot that's used or had been used on a stove to boil water? 079: well we used to speak of it now the people up North call it a kettle but we called it in the South we call it a pot cause my mother spoke of a kettle she didn't call it a pot she called it an iron kettle interviewer: #1 and # 079: #2 the big # black ones that we used to boil beans in when we were children to Mama that was an iron kettle but to our neighbors it was a pot interviewer: now is this different from the sma- things that we call tea kettles? 079: #1 yeah yeah yes # interviewer: #2 now a days # 079: #1 you probably never saw a kettle honey # interviewer: #2 how how # 079: #1 like I'm talking about # interviewer: #2 I probably never have # 079: well they were they were about this big around and about this tall and they were black just like a black skillet now you've seen a black interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # 079: #2 skillet # iron skillet well that's what they were they were iron pots and Mama cooked all her vegetables in those iron kettles she called it we called an iron pot interviewer: did they cook so much I have 079: #1 oh they cooked 'em for hours honey # interviewer: #2 {X} it was # um my mother's old iron skillets 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 cook # better than 079: #1 yeah # interviewer: #2 any # 079: #1 and and I can tell you right now # interviewer: #2 the kettles cook that way # 079: string beans cooking in those little iron pots were good cooks 'em about three hours they ought to be interviewer: #1 I imagine so # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: what did you season them with? 079: salt pork uh well now there's a the term that varies in different areas uh Mama called it bulk meat B-U-L-K bulk meat that was in Ohio uh people in this area who we knew when we were growing up called it fat back or side meat or boiling meat they called it boiling meat a lot of times now I never called it boiling meat but a lot of people would interviewer: #1 are they all the same? # 079: #2 see my my # uh-huh my language is a mixture of things that Mama said coming from Ohio and things that Papa said and that she picked up here you see of course we lived here always we were born here but still we had a friend I think I told you several years ago who would uh laugh at some of the things we said because it was strange to him because there were some of Mama's expressions that we didn't even realize we were using differently from anybody else interviewer: #1 uh where was your father from # 079: #2 `so um # he was born here in Rome interviewer: #1 was he # 079: #2 he was second generation Rome uh-huh # and uh his people came from Carolina and uh interviewer: #1 how did he where did he and your mother meet # 079: #2 so we're settled all through all that # interviewer: #1 did she come here he went there # 079: #2 uh Pap- Mama had come # Mama lived up in Ohio and she had come south to trim she wanted to come south one reason thought maybe the climate would be good for her brother who was sick {D: but he didn't} did come but she came south and she was a milliner she had been trained at the wholesale uh house in Cincinnati she lived in Columbus Ohio and it was a regular trade that young women learned then because every store every millinery store you know you remember a store that didn't sell anything but hats b-but townside Rome had four or five good millinery stores didn't sell 'em in department stores sold 'em in millinery stores and every spring and fall they got a trimmer to come in and trim up a whole lot of hats somebody who really knew the skill and trade and Mama knew it because knew it because she'd been trained in it and so she came south to trim and she boarded down here at the hotel which stood where the Forrest is now you know the hotel and Papa was boarding there because his mother had died and the family had broken up and so he was boarding there that's where they met just within a interviewer: #1 oh # 079: #2 stones throw right out our back door here # interviewer: #1 ha # 079: #2 is where they met # and uh so we ha- do have I say a lot of {X} would notice some things about our language that somebody that who both of who's parents have always lived here wouldn't interviewer: #1 that's right # 079: #2 think about you see # see I I know that bulk meat if I went in the store and asked for bulk meat they might not know what I meant interviewer: oh I don't 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 think so # 079: and to me bulk meat is bulk meat it's salt pork it's fat back it's boiling meat {NW} see now number of different ways of calling it interviewer: what do you call a glass container that you would put flowers in? 079: vase interviewer: and when you sit down at the dinner table you will have three utensils to eat with 079: uh-huh interviewer: #1 would you like to # 079: #2 knife fork and spoon # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: and if you had two of the sharp utensil they would be? 079: you mean two knives or are you thinking about two forks uh-huh two knives interviewer: after you work in a barn it's necessary that you do something to your hands before you eat 079: that you wash your hands interviewer: uh what uh can you summarize for me the activities that would follow having a large dinner uh the cleaning up process 079: yes I would say we'd clear the table first and then we would uh scrape the dishes and um put the scraps in our pail our garbage pail covered container and then we put them in the dishwasher {NW} today years ago we would have got the dishpan full of hot soapy water and then washed them and rinsed them and then we spoke of drying them putting them away and um any other terms that interviewer: no that that's just 079: #1 covered # interviewer: #2 just fine # if you wanted to say that she um I washed the 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 dishes # and she 079: #1 dried them # interviewer: #2 not drys but the # 079: #1 wiped them # interviewer: #2 next one # uh no usually the same person does this 079: #1 rinse # interviewer: #2 but # 079: #1 would rinse them # interviewer: #2 yes she would she # 079: she rinsed them interviewer: uh present tense 079: she will rinse rinse them I rinse dishes after I wash them interviewer: alright uh would you give me some terms for the equipment that you would use to clean dishes uh pieces of cloth 079: #1 I would speak of the dish cloth # interviewer: #2 or a scraper # 079: or a sponge that I might have sponge and the tea towel or dish towel to dry them dish pan to wash 'em in if I don't have a dishwasher #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 {NW} # any um hard objects that you might use? 079: I can't what you're thinking about interviewer: to help get the 079: #1 oh like like a scraper of some kind # interviewer: #2 if you're doing it by hand # yes 079: #1 yes yes yes mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 if you were doing it by hand # 079: #1 might have a # interviewer: #2 would you # wh- when you were growing up did you have anything of this sort of of scraping to help get them 079: #1 I don't # interviewer: #2 clean # 079: remember that now today we have to scrape a pan or anything we have a little soap pad interviewer: #1 yes # 079: #2 you know # things of that sort interviewer: I wonder if we had anything 079: #1 we didn't grow up with those # interviewer: #2 {X} # 079: good ol' octagon soap was our standby interviewer: #1 yes # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: my mother washed clothes with octagon soap 079: #1 octagon soap {X} # interviewer: #2 for years # 079: #1 and I had an aunt # interviewer: #2 we'd cut it up in little pieces # 079: who used it for her face and she had the most beautiful complexion there was interviewer: really 079: she loved that strong octagon soap for her face interviewer: #1 for her skin {X} # 079: #2 oh soft as it could be # interviewer: oh 079: isn't that funny all of which goes to show all these commercials don't mean a thing interviewer: #1 that's right absolutely right` # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: would you name as many different kinds of towels that you can think of? 079: well I would have bath towel a hand towel a tea towel a guest towel did I say a dish towel interviewer: I think so 079: mm-hmm uh that's all I can think of interviewer: alright what would you call the handles that you would turn to make water come out 079: faucet interviewer: and the part the water came out of 079: if I were gonna mention it I'd call it a spigot interviewer: alright we're talking about the word burst today the water pipe 079: today the water pipe burst interviewer: yesterday a different one 079: burst interviewer: and several of them this winter have 079: had burst interviewer: what is the wooden container that's used for example to store flour in large {D:lots} 079: bin maybe interviewer: uh well I'm thinking 079: #1 or uh uh # interviewer: #2 maybe of a round # container 079: what's it called hmm interviewer: I I don't think you'd have them in your home but I think probably they would store them would have stored flour this way in a general store 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 um it's wooden with # 079: #1 uh now was it were they in barrels # interviewer: #2 iron rings around it # 079: flour barrel yes you spoke of the flour barrel didn't you yes you should see a barrel seen a barrel it's been years since I've seen a bucket except our mop bucket interviewer: {NW} 079: but a regular bucket like you used to see so much is perfectly cylindrical um so many things came in it in buckets when we were children but you don't use buckets today uh the nearest to it is the container for crisco or something and it's not a bucket anymore interviewer: #1 no # 079: #2 used to have a handle on it you know # interviewer: #1 that's right # 079: #2 mm-hmm # interviewer: #1 I hadn't thought about that # 079: #2 yeah # interviewer: #1 {X} the plastic # 079: #2 lot of things change # that we don't got that good plastic top and all you know interviewer: that hasn't that's been around for a 079: #1 yup # interviewer: #2 while # 079: #1 yes # interviewer: #2 that hasn't changed just # 079: #1 no not not that's right lately # interviewer: #2 recently very recently # #1 mm-mm # 079: #2 the # interviewer: the buckets you were saying uh the ki- I have a galvanized 079: #1 yeah yeah # interviewer: #2 bucket # 079: #1 {X} mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 but it's the {X} up # 079: mm-hmm interviewer: #1 now there were buckets {X} # 079: #2 but lot of things used to be in buckets # about this big around and about that tall and they were brass looking gold looking or brass looking on the inside and I don't know what came in 'em or why we always happened to have a bucket around but we did now those buckets have just practically gone out interviewer: that's right 079: just like barrels have modern child's hardly ever seen a wooden barrel w- wouldn't know what barrel staves were or anything interviewer: oh that's right 079: mm-hmm interviewer: what would you call a small barrel for example that you might keep nails in? 079: keg interviewer: and what would you call I believe they're metal containers that a general store would have kept molasses or lard in 079: now let's think honey a syrup molasses {D: that would be} interviewer: #1 I think of it # 079: #2 can # interviewer: in terms of lard my mother 079: #1 uh-huh # interviewer: #2 had some # and she called 'em lard 079: #1 lard # interviewer: #2 somethings # 079: I can't think now different kinds of lard used to come in buckets uh {D:coquelin} and stuff like that interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 this is before you were born # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 uh # I don't know what you've got in mind interviewer: #1 alright # 079: #2 I don't believe # interviewer: have you heard of lard stands? 079: What now? interviewer: lard stands 079: stand no now the word stand doesn't mean a thing to me in that connection now I can use it in a connection, you probably don't know, this may be northern uh do you ever call a little table a stand well now Mama'd say bring that little stand out of the room interviewer: I think somebody in my family does that 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 but I can't think who # 079: might have might have been handed down to them somewhere interviewer: well mother got some metal containers with lids that pushed down very hard 079: mm-hmm interviewer: on them they were sealed almost sealed 079: uh-huh interviewer: they were about so high 079: {D: stand} interviewer: and about so big around 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 that you called # them lard stands 079: S-T-A-N-D interviewer: mm-hmm 079: no that's not in my vocabulary or experience at all that wouldn't mean a thing to me interviewer: if you had some liquid that you wanted to transfer from one bottle to another and one of the bottles had a very narrow neck you might put something in it 079: a little funnel interviewer: and what is the leather implement that you use you might crack it to make a horse go faster? 079: a whip interviewer: and what would you say if you wanted to use this word in referring to giving a child a spanking? 079: I'd say give him a whipping {NW} interviewer: do you do you really use this very much as a verb um 079: #1 uh # interviewer: #2 for a child? # 079: I think it's used you hear parents someone say if you do that I'll whip you and sometimes I say to my boys and they say I think I'm gone do something what you do to me if I do it I say I'll just whip you that's just for fun you know interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 but uh yes it's it's common enough usage # interviewer: alright what is the material that a bag or a sack that's not cloth is made of 079: uh leather interviewer: #1 uh # 079: #2 perhaps you're thinking of a pocket book # interviewer: #1 no I'm thinking of it like # 079: #2 sack or a bag like that # interviewer: #1 a grocery sack # 079: #2 uh grocery # well if it's not paper interviewer: that's it 079: well we have a good many of cellophane today you thinking of that interviewer: no paper was just fine 079: {D: well} interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 didn't remember whether you said paper or not # interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 now # one thing about that whipping and spanking Mama never would say that she whipped us she spanked us when we were little but she didn't whip us she didn't like that term interviewer: #1 I was wondering about that distinction # 079: #2 uh-huh uh-huh # interviewer: #1 if people made that distinction # 079: #2 yeah there is a distinction there I think # interviewer: #1 # 079: #2 # interviewer: uh what is the term if you can think of one for a very heavy cloth sack 079: burlap sack or a toe sack or um can't think of anything else interviewer: alright what do you call is there a term that's used for the amount of say corn that you would mill at one time or that you would take to the mill at one time? 079: I don't think of anything but a load of corn take a load of corn to the mill a load of cotton interviewer: have you ever heard of a turn of corn 079: no I never heard that term interviewer: #1 alright # 079: #2 maybe # cotton on the farm around here maybe but I haven't heard it interviewer: alright uh is there a term that you think of to refer to a partial load of say wood of coal the point being that it's a partial load rather than a full 079: #1 no # interviewer: #2 load # 079: I don't think of any one word what what do you have in mind well if you have anything in mind I'd like to know cause I can tell you whether I ever heard it or used it though I might not bring it to mind cause you're asking me interviewer: #1 alright # 079: #2 mm-hmm # interviewer: what would you call the amount of wood that you could carry at one time uh by hand 079: #1 uh # interviewer: #2 you might say I have a # 079: well we always said a load of wood bring in a load of wood we'd say now somebody else may have some other terminology for that but that's all we would have used and when we were children you brought in a load of wood very often cause you had to fill up the wood box cause we cooked with it you see interviewer: did you use the word load rather than say armload or 079: yes we'd just say a load how many loads of wood did you bring in we'd say interviewer: {NW} you kept track of 079: #1 mm-hmm oh yes we # interviewer: #2 each other # 079: worked hard to get th- wood all in before Papa came home so he'd be proud of us interviewer: {NW} 079: {NW} interviewer: what do you call the implement that is usually now made of plastic but could be made of wicker that you would for example put clothes in when you 079: #1 hamper # interviewer: #2 brought them in off the line? # 079: a hamper a hamper or a clothes basket interviewer: what were the metal or bone round objects that were put usually in petticoats in plantation days 079: #1 hoops # interviewer: #2 so the girls # 079: hoops yeah interviewer: and can you tell me some terms for bottle stoppers? 079: cork and can't think of I don't know if I know of any other one that I'd use a screwtop or something on some of these bottles that have a screw top interviewer: alright what is the musical instrument that is played by breathing in and out and moving the instrument across your mouth? 079: Now is that a flute? uh interviewer: more of a country Johnny Cash plays 079: #1 uh # interviewer: #2 one {NW} # instea- with his guitar 079: I can't think of what you want me to say interviewer: it has it's a flat 079: not a mouth organ not a a harmonica interviewer: that's 079: the harmonica interviewer: #1 {X} # 079: #2 that's more of what you had in mind mm-mm # interviewer: do you think of any other words that are used for it? 079: uh seem like there's something else now a jew's-harp is a different thing it's a twangy little thing that you play now people call a harmonica a jew's-harp but its not interviewer: I think that's what 079: #1 uh-huh # interviewer: #2 what we were thinking # 079: #1 I don't think of anything other # interviewer: #2 some people might use # 079: seem like there's interviewer: have you ever heard of um it being called a french harp 079: french harp yes I have heard it called that but that I don't expect I'd call it that but I know what you mean mm-hmm interviewer: do you is that um would you say southern Rome Georgia type usage or would you have heard it from somewhere else? 079: a french harp I don't believe that's in too common usage if I went in the store and wanted one I think I'd say a harmonica #1 mm-hmm mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 okay # 079: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 {NW} # what is the instrument that you use to drive nails? 079: hammer interviewer: and can you name me as many parts of a wagon as you can think of? 079: well let me see there's the uh the bed you speak of it the part the th- that holds the stuff the springs the wheels the tongue that goes out that you hitch the mules to the seat um the now there's something else I'm trying to think of piece there down underneath been some time since I've seen any wagons {NW} interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 that's about all I can think of right off # interviewer: what do you call in a buggy the two pieces that stick out front that you 079: #1 the uh # interviewer: #2 put the horse between? # 079: put the horse between the my gosh have I forgotten that as many the times as I've hitched up I can't think interviewer: shafts 079: what what shafts of course interviewer: {NW} 079: could've thought of it if I wouldn't have had to interviewer: what is uh have you ever heard of a wippletree 079: whistle tr- interviewer: #1 wippletree # 079: #2 wipple # wippletree that's what I was trying to think of or is it whiffle interviewer: #1 I I # 079: #2 wipple I believe wippletree # back there is something in the buggy but maybe the thing the shafts it fastens on to I believe that gives I'm not interviewer: I don't 079: kinda forgetting about my horse and buggy I drove back around nineteen eighteen but that had been some time interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # we had an old white horse {X} interviewer: uh what do you call the outside part of a wheel on a wagon? 079: #1 the rim # interviewer: #2 the the # 079: I guess you just call it the rim mm-hmm interviewer: uh is do you remember the wooden part that was inside of the rim? 079: that's inside the rim now let's think a minute I don't can't think of a term for that I may have known it as a child the spokes of the wheel and the axle but I don't think of what you interviewer: have you ever heard of a folley? 079: folley? interviewer: mm-hmm 079: no interviewer: #1 connection with a wheel # 079: #2 is that a term? # no that was never used around me as as a child and we as I say always had either a buggy or a carriage now we ne- had a wagon we lived one time in the country for about a year and a half interviewer: alright do can you think of some terms that are used for the process of hauling wood or hauling anything? 079: like a dray interviewer: well maybe 079: #1 haul it in with a dray # interviewer: #2 the process of hauling # some synonyms maybe for hauling 079: well let me see now uh in town moving things transfer company or something like that but I can't think of what you trying to get at honey interviewer: alright 079: to haul any to haul some lumber one place or another I just say haul now any time that you wanna suggest a word interviewer: #1 I I will {NW} # 079: #2 I'll tell you if it's common usage or not # even if I can't think of it still it might be something that as a child I heard a lot you know interviewer: alright uh now we're gonna talk about another word 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 drag # 079: drag I'd will drag it now and I dragged it yesterday and I had dragged it many times interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 now some people say drug or something # but that's not a interviewer: #1 and today I # 079: #2 uh uh # interviewer: am going to 079: still talking about drag so we'll drag it interviewer: #1 right {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: I'll just give you the word and you can give me the principle parts 079: {NW} yeah interviewer: what is the instrument that's used on a farm to turn soil? 079: plow interviewer: and do you know any different kinds of plows? 079: well of course there are some little hand plows a little hand instrument that people have that they can push and uh of course plow that you drive a hitch a mule or a horse to and of course got a mechanical plow but I don't think of another name maybe I should but interviewer: alright um what is the implement that's used to break up clods? 079: well now let me think a hoe we'd use that some interviewer: #1 one that a horse might pull # 079: #2 a pick # that a horse uh uh wait a harrow interviewer: alright do you think of a term that could be used in the process of sawing wood for what you would put say um if you had um a tree with the branches taken off 079: mm interviewer: a long 079: #1 big log uh-huh # interviewer: #2 log # alright if you wanted to saw this into sections you might put in on something 079: well you thinking about saw horses uh which uh well you know what they are right? interviewer: #1 oh # 079: #2 wooden {NW} # interviewer: #1 yes uh-huh # 079: #2 wooden things that you put something across on # um now I don't think of not something you'd put it on interviewer: #1 mm-mm can you think of # 079: #2 you ready to saw # interviewer: anything on a farm in particularly that might be used? 079: well I don't if I can't think of what you've got in mind interviewer: do you think of any kind of frame anything but the word frame 079: #1 no # interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 079: nothing there that's familiar to me interviewer: does either A frame or X frame mean 079: #1 no # interviewer: #2 anything # 079: that doesn't mean anything to me interviewer: alright in the morning when you get up uh you may comb your hair but then you have another 079: #1 brush # interviewer: #2 instrument # alright if you say that you are going to go through this process you might say I'm going to 079: I'm going to comb my hair or brush my hair I'm gone fix my hair I used to you put up your hair interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 I'm glad we don't do that anymore # 079: #2 yeah # interviewer: I imagine some of the girls now though 079: #1 yeah they've got {X} # interviewer: #2 {X} # 079: #1 # interviewer: #2 # when you are using a rifle and you have shot the rifle 079: mm-hmm interviewer: then you eject something 079: #1 the cartridge # interviewer: #2 the leftover # 079: #1 mm-hmm # interviewer: #2 alright # 079: what I know about rifles is purely reading too I barely interviewer: #1 I # 079: #2 I don't know # whether I've ever handled a firearm in my life interviewer: my father wanted me to learn 079: #1 well I think it's smart for people too # interviewer: #2 he bought me a rifle # 079: but we never kept I think at one time Papa had some kind of pistol or something but Mama made him get rid of it she said more people been killed by having one around than had been saved by having one around interviewer: #1 I agree # 079: #2 and I expect it's true # little boy was killed right here in Rome yesterday interviewer: really 079: he and his brother little brother were playing with a gun interviewer: oh no 079: #1 well it shouldn't have happened # interviewer: #2 how old were they # 079: ten or twelve maybe eight or ten I'm not sure just how old the little boy was interviewer: #1 pistol or # 079: #2 bout ten # what now interviewer: pistol or 079: I don't know what it was it was they spoke of a gun the children were playing with a gun now gun's a wide widely used term interviewer: #1 you should never have a gun around like that # 079: #2 mm-mm # interviewer: #1 particularly loaded or where they can load it # 079: #2 oh no # interviewer: #1 # 079: #2 # interviewer: what is the construction that children make sometimes by perhaps using a sawhorse and a board and putting the board across 079: playhouse interviewer: uh no you put the board across the sawhorse and one gets on one end 079: oh a seesaw I thought you were building something interviewer: {NW} 079: #1 {NW} # interviewer: #2 well I did say construction # uh when the children are on the seesaw you say they are? 079: seesawing interviewer: can you think of any homemade play things that you had when you were a child 079: Papa made us a seesaw and he made us a flying Ginny interviewer: #1 what do you call a flying how'd you make # 079: #2 {NW} # interviewer: #1 a flying Ginny # 079: #2 well it was # not one you'd see at the fair or anything but he put a post in the ground and then he had a fi- a nice plank smooth plank and he had a hole and a big bolt and everything and each end of that he had a little uh seat fixed sort of a handle across that you could hold a place we could sit and it would turn he had it so that it'd turn around easily and you'd somebody get in there and push you and oh you'd just go around it was more fun interviewer: {NW} 079: Papa made anything he made us a playhouse one time uh he had wood shed and he decided he'd uh build another woodshed and give us that one as a playhouse so he papered the walls and he made us furniture, our grandfather helped him he interviewer: #1 he was handy # 079: #2 he was a cabinet # oh yeah grandfather was a cabinet maker by trade interviewer: #1 really # 079: #2 cabinet maker # that was my Mama's father he had a buggy company in {X} Ohio {NW} when she was a little girl and made buggies and uh so he was a fine cabinet maker he could make all kinds of things I've got anything around that he made but uh he'd make tables like that interviewer: #1 oh # 079: #2 and uh things # he was just very skilled like that and they made us doll furniture and everything oh we had a good time interviewer: #1 {NW} # 079: #2 mm-mm # interviewer: that's wonderful how many children were there? 079: three of us three sisters interviewer: #1 three sisters # 079: #2 uh-huh and # just uh well I my Louise is the oldest she's a year and a half older than me and I'm two years older than Ruth so see we were close together interviewer: oh yes 079: and we did everything together interviewer: and being 079: #1 and still do # interviewer: #2 girls # 079: #1 yeah do everything yeah # interviewer: #2 well yeah I guess so # 079: #1 {NW} uh-huh it made it nice # interviewer: #2 being girls that really worked out # 079: cause we certainly did enjoy playing together interviewer: #1 oh that's really # 079: #2 mm-hmm # and children played more in those days than they do today cause they didn't have TV and they didn't have as many other things outside things to amuse them and you played you made up things that you played yourself you played dolls and you played cowboys and you played Indians and you played this and you played that interviewer: you think we were more creative 079: #1 yes I think there was # interviewer: #2 then in what they do # 079: Believe there was mm-hmm interviewer: did you have very many bought toys? 079: well we always did had nice things we got at Christmas and all but now Mama and Papa couldn't afford three dollar carriages so we had one three dollar carriage and we all played with it interviewer: #1 did you have any trouble # 079: #2 and uh # interviewer: Did you share that? 079: yeah, we were right good I guess we {X}