Interviewer:  {NS} That's uh
117:  {X} {D:is a Maybell} transformation {X}
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
117:  So when that comes from while that uh
Interviewer:  {NW}
117:  {D:fascinating} Our librarian is uh from the North and she says she had a very {D: She's gonna put it.} She said she had a very good friend that was uh had that name.
Interviewer:  Uh huh. Where's she from do you know?
117:  Well I know she's from New York.
Interviewer:  Uh huh. {NS} I don't think I have any relatives in
117:  {X} you aren't a relative {B} {X}
Interviewer:  Well he was gone before I got #1 there {NW: laughing). #
117:  #2 Huh? #
Interviewer:  He was he was gone before I got there. But uh that's the um Uh Um It there's I think there's still a lot of that tradition still at Chicago and I think I think some of it's good and I think some of it's uh Some of it's kinda more questionable. Now I'd like to begin just by just by getting some uh some information about you. Um The um What's your place of birth?
117:  My place of birth was in Coweta County on the west side of town.
Interviewer:  Right here in uh
117:  Right here in Coweta County I was born on {D:gridded land} in Coweta County and my father was a tiller farmer at the time I was born.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  And so they {X} me to to Newnan.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And uh So I spent I was in the third grade here when I left. And when I pass that farm and I spent my life on that farm.
Interviewer:  I see. How far out of Newnan was that farm?
117:  Eight miles.
Interviewer:  I see. Um. And uh What's your Wou- Would you give me your full name? Your full name?
117:  My full name?
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
117:  It's William {D: Pitts} {B}
Interviewer:  Okay. And um The and your address here.
117:  It's Newnan.
Interviewer:  Huh.
117:  Post office box. {B}
Interviewer:  Okay. And how old are you?
117:  I am eighty let's see {X} I'm eighty-three.
Interviewer:  Eighty-three #1 okay. #
117:  #2 I was born in # {X}
Interviewer:  #1 What year were you born? #
117:  #2 I'm knocking # I'm knocking on uh eighty four but
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
117:  #2 I was born # on the nineteenth of July. I have a birthday I'll be eighty four.
Interviewer:  Okay what year were you born in?
117:  Eighteen ninety-six {D: Hell} it's Eighteen eighty-six.
Interviewer:  Eighteen eighty six. And uh what church do you go to?
117:  Well I was raised in the Baptist church.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what was your occupation before you retired?
117:  Hmm. {D:A fly boy}
Interviewer:  Okay. Did you farm out here in uh
117:  #1 Yeah it was #
Interviewer:  #2 In the town? #
117:  about that fourth district yeah.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh. What kind of a uh uh what kind of a farm did you uh did you work on?
117:  Well it was a a cotton farm. Then i turned it into a a quite interesting a livestock raised of purebred Jersey cattle.
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
117:  And we farmed that way until uh the thirties in it In the nineteen thirties when the government took over farming. Why they limited your production and you and your tenants couldn't make a living. That's a fact since the everybody knows your tenants couldn't make a living. So they begin to leave. Yeah and my arm begin to leave me I had pretty good tenant farmers. Got along fine with the nigger help. And uh when they left me why that was the end of it.
Interviewer:  How large a fa- how large was your farm?
117:  Oh the farm was about uh It was about four hundred acres at that time.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  {X}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Um. Do you still own that farm?
117:  Yep.
Interviewer:  And you have you have people uh people working it uh
117:  Nobody left I still own it.
Interviewer:  Oh I see but nobody's farming it right
117:  #1 Nobody's farming it. #
Interviewer:  #2 now. Uh-huh # Uh. Is it big enough to get in the soil bank? That's
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  You couldn't put it in the soil bank huh? {NW: Laughing}
117:  Well I don't know {D:why I} quit fooling with that kinda #1 stuff. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh huh # I see. Um. Did you how about your formal education?
117:  Buddy I never did get {D:any far in the uh} oh about in Latin We'd get started in Latin and then We only had the five months schooling.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  We had two in the summer and three in the spring.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And we go to school and start Latin, I liked it.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm #
117:  #2 And we'd # get so far with it. John and Mary Saturday come in they want to study Latin with a {X} back to the back and so I
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  {D:And I write} {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  I- Is there such thing as {X} declension in Latin?
Interviewer:  Yes! Sure.
117:  Well I think that's {D:my father's} #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh huh. #
117:  {D: Anyway I} We get there and three months left instead of picking up the and going on a little farther We turned back to the first {D: that day} {D: and so I told her} the same old Latin book.
Interviewer:  I see. {NW: Laughing}
117:  {D:Then when} We changed teachers. One teacher would give us uh the English pronunciation. {D:And we were saying} {X} {X}
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
117:  You know what I'm #1 talking about. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
117:  They'd give us the uh other pronunciation.
Interviewer:  I see. How how many years did you go to how old were you when you st- Did you go uh uh
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  How how old were you when you stopped attending school regularly?
117:  Oh I was in my teens I wasn't real old I I wouldn't say {X} teens I {X}
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  So you'd say you had a couple years of high school and in in i- translating it into days terms.
117:  Well I I was {X} was intermediate school I I {D:started, studied} with grammar and it was
Interviewer:  I see. and history I hated and I read everyday. I see. Yeah I'd like to know if you'd tell me how you got interested and how you you must then have uh spent uh s- done a a lot of reading. Um. On your own. Um. Outside of school to become so interested in genealogy.
117:  {X}
Interviewer:  Yes.
117:  Well I wouldn't know. It is just a habit.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  {X} My father was a a person that liked to read.
Interviewer:  {NW}
117:  And uh When I was a boy I'd come in town here and get the mail before it hadn't {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And he always took the New York {D:Ward}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  And he took various other magazines so when I got up grown and got to I wasn't a good farmer. We took the {D: sullen} cultivator which was published in Atlanta by the Hunter's Club and it's very good thing then I would reach out for the agricultural #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
117:  then read that. And uh till I branched out into uh the Breeze Gazette. I got them old copies of some copies of old Breeze Gazette which was a wonderful {D: live-stocker} magazine that was published in Chicago by Sanders brothers {D:and Sanders} I think. And uh I was always interested in livestock And I didn't like cotton picking don't you bet.
Interviewer:  {NW}
117:  But I always liked livestock.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And uh It was something inherited trait because uh I was raised on the fact that {X} lived down in the Troup County. And he was a race horse who ran and uh loved fox hunting and was a pretty good gambler but
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  So I was raised on that tradition to love horses and it was even born in me to love horses.
Interviewer:  I see.
117:  I did love and care for them {NS}
Interviewer:  Uh huh. {NS}
117:  {D: very good driver.} {NS} So now if I had a chance {NS} {X}
Interviewer:  Is that so? Uh what uh where was your uh were your father born?
117:  My father was born down here in Harris County. {NS}
Interviewer:  Now is that out is that down near LaGrange?
117:  That is uh Hamilton is the county see it's it's the county down below uh Troup. #1 {X} 
 County 
just #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
117:  south of Troup
Interviewer:  Is LaGrange in Troup County?
117:  Lagrange is Troup #1 County. #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. I # I think I {X} out Was it on is is uh Is that county on the uh Alabama border?
117:  Yes it's a border county.
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
117:  {D:Back to that} left of
Interviewer:  {NW}
117:  Harris County is where Callaway Gardens is.
Interviewer:  I see. Sure I know where that is. Ah was your your father was born there?
117:  My father was born there.
Interviewer:  Where was your mother born?
117:  My mother was born right here in the fourth district {X}
Interviewer:  Is that so so you're old settlers huh? How about their um uh uh did uh did they have any formal education?
117:  Who?
Interviewer:  Your parents?
117:  Oh my father did not have too much. And my mother was the daughter of a school professor.
Interviewer:  I see. {NW} Where were you where were her parents born?
117:  Well now. {X} That's her father.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  was born in Anson County North Carolina. And her mother was born in Jasper County Georgia.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  And uh they were people that were raised up in uh Middlesex County Virginia.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  The- there's a {D: heap full} background on background then #1 It's all interesting to me. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yep. # Yeah it's interesting to me too. I wish you'd tell now so that they um uh your mother's um a uh uh people then came to to uh uh came came into Georgia from North Carolina about when?
117:  About when?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well my next door neighbor is a genealogist #1 by the way. #
117:  #2 Huh? #
Interviewer:  My next door neighbor is a genealogist.
117:  He is?
Interviewer:  He's a retired colonel his name is {D:Colon} Clemens.
117:  Clemens?
Interviewer:  Clemens. Yes sir.
117:  {X}
Interviewer:  Yes he was he's uh he's a retired army colonel he's a wonderful man.
117:  Yeah yeah yeah yeah. So now let's see this. I believe it was Yep {D:Parner} {NS} Now here's here's Francis Lee Clover. That's, that's my grandma.
Interviewer:  I see.
117:  And she was born in uh Jasper County Georgia. And she was the daughter of uh Robert {D:Tuggums.} Who married Elizabeth {D:Gentridge.}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  They were first cousins. {X} back to the to the the L- double E- Lees.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
117:  And uh They well I always knew they was first cousins but I didn't know which one was which I knew that there's two sisters Darling and Esther.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And that their their parents were They were first cousins and so they both from uh from George Lee and Mary Buford.
Interviewer:  Huh. Is that the same Buford family that the highway Buford Highway the in the town of Buford up here in
117:  I wouldn't I wouldn't know #1 what it was or not. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh huh. #
117:  They these were all in Middlesex County #1 Virginia. #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. # Now this Oglethorpe County that's uh that's over east of here oh east
117:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
117:  This Oglethorpe county is uh between {D:Lexington} {X} {D:towns meet}
Interviewer:  #1 Yes #
117:  #2 And # before you get to Washington Will.
Interviewer:  Is that isn't Athens in #1 Oglethorpe? #
117:  #2 Huh? #
Interviewer:  Athens.
117:  You pass Athens after you go on through #1 {D:Athens} #
Interviewer:  #2 Right # So so your mother's family then came into Georgia um from the east then or or uh came into into eastern Georgia really before #1 coming out this way? #
117:  #2 They came over to # {D:Wilton} Green County {D:over Green County} #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
117:  {D: Here, here's a big boy in my} You find loads of trouble up there.
Interviewer:  Yes here,
117:  There he is. Remember the condition of {X} That that is where the {D:back line} comes.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  But there is a unusual uh
Interviewer:  So then they {X} Ludowici does it?
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Ludowici You know that that um that's uh that is a
117:  Well that {D:Ludowici} was from a an Italian poet. I I fished up that name it's such an unusual name there was uh an Italian poet I've gotten #1 I finished that up I finish up everything. All I want #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh. I see. Uh huh. #
117:  Oh Now here is here's something rather interesting to me if you getting into to my line and uh oh uh Frances M. Chapel his uh father was named William {B} Now I had a diary my father's diary that gave this family history
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  And when i lived there at home and came up here a man broke into my house and stole a whole lots of furniture We found it but my diary he burned up.
Interviewer:  #1 My goodness. #
117:  #2 And # I only had small comforts about it but you
Interviewer:  That's a shame.
117:  See there's uh {D:William} {B} married uh {X} married this captain {B} That's an unusual
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  name and I
Interviewer:  Like why a {B} huh?
117:  #1 I'm finding the most unusual things about that. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} Uh huh. # Well that was the name of the marshal in Dodd City.
117:  Well {B}
Interviewer:  spelled the same way.
117:  That that's uh not too factual. {X} Nobody going to credit that too much. I I wrote to them out there in Arizona and they didn't sure they wouldn't believe anything that he said that man that wrote that said.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. I mean they questioned that he was he was a real person. {C:Laughing}
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  They, they
117:  There's no mistake There wasn't why {B} {X} {B} was the guardian of some children up in Nash County North Carolina they wasn't why {B} But now here
Interviewer:  #1 That's the same #
117:  #2 his # story and that's why {B} age was
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  {X} is a question
Interviewer:  I see. Now you're so your uh your father's parents then um are out of uh North Carolina and your mother's parents ultimately out of Virginia.
117:  That's right #1 Middlesex County Virginia. #
Interviewer:  #2 Middlesex # County Virginia. And your your father's out of this uh uh was Arrington the name of a town in is that is that a cou- #1 a county? #
117:  #2 {D:Arrington was very} # popular in the now I found that I've got that {X} Arrington
Interviewer:  Uh huh.
117:  was I find settled in in uh eighteen and seventy {D:down in} Troup County census.
Interviewer:  I see. {NS}
117:  All this stuff is factored without our block but there's something I never liked too much about this. I got a {NS} {D:Yeah when you go far enough} {NS} {D:somebody's} {NS} origin now the chapel is one of the most little interesting little booklets and this Ladies of Georgia written by {D: Apsel} Harris Chapel. But I had this book on Chapel but I can't get it to
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
117:  #2 {X} # And I always thought that was {X} Chapel.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  And I find him in the Walden County in eighteen twenty when I'm going over that census tracing up these other folks. But
Interviewer:  Do you mean you work you worked with that lady over there who wrote Wayfarers for #1 Wayfarers in Walton? #
117:  #2 Huh? #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
117:  #2 I've re-, I've read that. # I've corresponded with that lady
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  {X}
Interviewer:  Some interesting things in that book. I've, I've, I've looked in that book. I haven't read the whole thing #1 but I've #
117:  #2 It's just # very interesting
Interviewer:  Uh-huh it's one of the newer uh county histories. {NS}
117:  {X} I I didn't read I've got something that I I that I got the other day Wait a minute. This may be this may be what I want. Show you the election. Charles Smith wrote about the law.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 Yep. #
117:  And that I don't like too much. I wrote to the Texas folks about that.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  Here's something that's interesting about these people. These {X} about this {D:singer} {B}
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  You make the connection between Bill {B} and uh {B} #1 Bill {X} #
117:  #2 {D:Now I haven't got that} # I I don't like it. #1 I I wrote #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
117:  the Texas group and they didn't get what I was
Interviewer:  There's a town over in Douglas County named or #1 or around Douglas in Douglas County or or #
117:  #2 Huh? #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
117:  #2 in a place called {X} #
Interviewer:  {B} Yes.
117:  He was quite a {D:writer}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. {NS}
117:  Not it goes on to say that this {B} {X} Turn over to the next page and if you'll see {X} {D: got anything online about}
Interviewer:  #1 Yes. #
117:  #2 {X} # {D:Remember} {X}
Interviewer:  It says here Irving {B} #1 Uh #
117:  #2 {X} # {D:Teaches about Evergreen he's along}
Interviewer:  Yes.
117:  Evergreen and the teacher married a ms {X} or something like that.
Interviewer:  Uh that's {B} See a mr Samuel G {B} um uh Samuel G {B} mr Greg yeah married ms {B} Her family lived about a mile from Evergreen. One of its members thought that her father {D:saw} {D:saw in} Andersonville in the Harrison home the first piano ever brought {X} Uh {NW} That is very interesting.
117:  She had a {X} piano and it was a was a very successful instrument. That's what that says. You can
Interviewer:  #1 Right that's right you have it #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  you have it memorized.
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  {X} And I'd be greatly impressed {X} carefully study this and return home and build one for his own family which is said to have been a very a quite successful instrument right.
117:  Well alright now
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  Now there's there's what {X} You see that {X} I sent that to Texas {D:and they didn't} ask for my #1 information #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. # #1 The original Bill #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  {B} spelled his name {B} Yup. In the reprinted article from the Fort Worth Texas Daily Democrat in eighteen seventy-seven was this noted. Now this is from Ge- {D: Georgian Georgian} by uh Lucian
117:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Lamar. Uh-huh. # Um. Eh. And then. {X} Phil {B} {D:Lee} of Georgia the man who furnished the witticism {X} which Charles A Swift prepared and published some years ago was accidentally {X} uh. Decatur Texas. Last month March fifth he fell from a wagon loaded with corn and the wheels fastened over his neck and killed him instantly. He was a rough old man perfectly illiterate but replete with the original ideas and witty sayings. He lived near the Brangston place at Kingston. That's very interesting.
117:  alright I was up there yesterday to try and to get stuff over the {D:Cast} County censors. #1 of 1860 #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
117:  See I didn't find this William {B} #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
117:  I don't don't consider that as factual I think you pick this man up {X} These facts that's in that book I #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
117:  I don't I don't accept.
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
117:  #2 {X} # I don't accept. When I go down and read those uh {X} saying you can't take those facts because somebody stretch 'em
Interviewer:  Sure.
117:  {X}
Interviewer:  The I see. I see. Um.
117:  Now that that {X} part {X} {D:down} that's that's a truly demonstration family because uh {X} {D:Jump} {B} was always trying to invent something. {D:That they didn't think} {X} spirit was in invent {B} {X} {D:Well mighty} Everyday calling Fly boy type a folks.
Interviewer:  I see. Um what about your uh your earlier ancestors uh before settling you know they Um the people who settled in Virginia where eh Do have you traced uh traced them back to uh uh to England and uh Ireland Scotland Wales or
117:  #1 {D:I hate} {C:laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
117:  {D:do it} I {X} you see something that I I've got no you {X} when you get on Jeffrey's
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  You take uh. When uh. James. {X} {D:sent} {X} over here. Those uh aristocrats were against them and so they weren't accorded too much I don't get too much {B} {X} I've got something in history {D:that's ridiculous} {X} {D:trouble these} {B} up north had the {X} come on down there and then {D:pick your fellows up from 'em} from there it's it's
Interviewer:  #1 ridiculous #
117:  #2 Is that # it's ridiculous the amount of stuff I got
Interviewer:  Is that so? I sense a Now have you ever been married?
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Have you ever been married?
117:  No they wouldn't have me.
Interviewer:  I see. Okay. Um. They um Uh Well that's about all the Well have you ever how about about um uh uh your your your social contacts though in in Newnan? Have you belonged to any organizations or or clubs?
117:  Never did join them but the {X} makes such a sorry member to {X} I didn't go any farther
Interviewer:  I see. I see. And have you traveled much?
117:  Nope. no farther than I could drive {X} can't even travel
Interviewer:  I see. Where how far have you been outside of the
117:  Well I ran up to Memphis and Nashville bout as far as Alabama
Interviewer:  I see. And uh wa- was that just on a vacation?
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  On a vacation? Was that or was it were you there on business or
117:  Oh it was just for fun we went up there to to uh Nashville Dairy Show
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  I told you I was a livestock breeder.
Interviewer:  #1 Yes #
117:  #2 I was going up there to # Nashville Dairy Show.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And uh. And quite a nice time. {X} the show and there's four hours well sitting there having a wonderful time at the show there's a lady from Mississippi sat by me
Interviewer:  Uh.
117:  On the left and I was having a good time {X} on the right. And lo and behold She mentioned Newnan I always mention Newnan Georgia it's it's it's pretty well-known town.
Interviewer:  Sure.
117:  And. She hit the ceiling said she did describe this town. She was going through here one time and uh the policeman got her for speeding or something and charged 'em ten dollars or something like that And she {X} And that woman dried up like a {X} Just like that. And we did enjoy the show.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that right #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 That's funny. That's #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Too bad.
117:  We we boys went there and and uh say couldn't get a room that night #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 at the hotel. #
117:  And I I was a little {D:badmouthing} And {X} said we can go ahead and sleep in the car I had a little t-shirt on I said I didn't come from Newnan Georgia to here to I will stay in I'm inside this house it's getting cold and the That hotel man {X} folks and {D:get one with these little parlors up there} and had a little a little room and they put us down four beds and so we spent the night there in one of those hotels in in uh Memphis.
Interviewer:  I see. Uh-huh. Now look what why don't we um uh uh get started with uh with some of this #1 and uh #
117:  #2 {X} # Go ahead. I #1 I {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} Okay. #
117:  I'll go along with you
Interviewer:  Okay. Fine. Now there all there'll be all different kinds of kinds of things but just remember that this is n- in no way any kind of a test or anything it's a matter of simply a matter of getting your your natural uh ya know #1 speech. Huh. #
117:  #2 It's a matter of analysis. #
Interviewer:  #1 That. okay. #
117:  #2 {X} # This is a problem and you're gonna analyze it.
Interviewer:  Right okay.
117:  #1 And I'll #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
117:  state the facts.
Interviewer:  Okay that's fine. Now uh uh what would you call that uh right over here? Um. This this part of this uh right here?
117:  I'd call that the hog
Interviewer:  Okay. And the smoke would go up the
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  The smoke in here in the fireplace would go up the
117:  Up the chimney.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And in a fireplace uh those two metal things that hold the wood in place
117:  They're ant arms
Interviewer:  Yeah have you ever called them anything else?
117:  Me?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
117:  Never called them nothing {D: but ant arms} Some folks call 'em dogs.
Interviewer:  Okay. What any particular kind of people call them dogs?
117:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  Do you associate that with any particular kind of people? Whose who #1 call them dogs? #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 Or just #
117:  #2 I I wouldn't say that. #
Interviewer:  I see. Would your father call them dogs? For example?
117:  We called them {D:ant arms.} #1 We didn't, we didn't vary #
Interviewer:  #2 I. # Okay. And the clock over there is up on the what?
117:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  What do you call this?
117:  I call that a rattle piece
Interviewer:  Okay. And in a fireplace um a large piece of a tree that you'd burn in there. What would you call that?
117:  Well that's called a log of wood.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what do you call uh resinous uh pieces of wood for starting a fire?
117:  {D:Tips?}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh the kind with uh with a lot of pitch in it or #1 or uh #
117:  #2 Oh that's # {X}
Interviewer:  Okay.
117:  {X}
Interviewer:  {NS}
117:  {X} #1 and things out that's #
Interviewer:  #2 {NS} #
117:  {X} Now you're getting to {X} That's {X}
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
117:  #2 {X} # A lot of {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. And then how about larger pieces of wood? To start a fire. Have a general term for all wood that you burn to you to get the fire started?
117:  I don't know there I I gave it a {X} You go out yonder You tell 'em go out yonder in the woods and fetch me some {D:brace} to put around this pot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. {NS} #1 Okay. What I was #
117:  #2 {NS} #
Interviewer:  thinking of was um uh do you use the word kindling? at all?
117:  We use kindling as much as {X}
Interviewer:  I see. Well that's what I was getting at. And if you were cleaning out of what's that stuff you clean out of a stove pipe?
117:  That's soot.
Interviewer:  Okay. And the stuff you clean out of a out of a fireplace?
117:  That's ashes.
Interviewer:  Alright. And what color is my shirt?
117:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  My shirt.
117:  Your shirt is #1 what color? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yes. # Yeah.
117:  It's a white shirt.
Interviewer:  Okay. And I'm sitting in a?
117:  You're sitting in a rocking chair.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what would you call a piece of furniture like this?
117:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  What do you call this piece of #1 furniture? #
117:  #2 That's supposed # be a sofa.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. Now what about um Um. The um uh How would you distinguish that chair the one you're sitting in from the one I'm sitting in?
117:  Well yours is is a rocker and this is just a straight I would say it's a straight chair and this is this is this is different from what I was reading in when I was reading we had a straight chair and a rocking chair.
Interviewer:  I see. But even in #1 upholstery #
117:  #2 This # This this this this is this a present day old uh cheap upholstery stuff.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. And the tables and chairs that uh all of the these are those are all pieces of what?
117:  What?
Interviewer:  All of the tables and chairs in the room. The term to describe all of those things Those are all pieces of what? You know a general term for all the tables and chairs?
117:  Well just household affects is #1 all I know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah. But well what kind of a store would you buy such things at?
117:  Where would I buy 'em?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
117:  {X} store.
Interviewer:  That's that's the word on there. Now how about on the on the what do you call those things on the windows that you pull up and down?
117:  Shades.
Interviewer:  Okay. Do you ever call them anything else?
117:  No never called #1 anything but shades. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
117:  you had curtains you used to have before that they had curtains that were cheap uh they were color. They were
Interviewer:  #1 Uh huh. #
117:  #2 {X} # lace But they had colored curtains that was my grandmother had them they were some sold Um and I can't tell {X} {D:a Mabel}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  But anyway they were just shut out there
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
117:  Give you privacy.
Interviewer:  I see. But that those are those weren't on those are you just those are different from from shades?
117:  So yes they were different.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
117:  #2 They were # They were curtains.
Interviewer:  Okay. And the place in the bedroom where you'd hang up you where you'd hang up your clothes?
117:  You talking about a closet?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Um. And do you ever use the fuller term than just closet or do you just call it a closet?
117:  Oh well now in in in some homes you didn't have closets you had a wardrobe in there.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
117:  #2 You had a # big wardrobe. It uh held your clothes.
Interviewer:  Okay. How is that different from a closet?
117:  Oh it's a piece of furniture.
Interviewer:  I see. It's movable.
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  It's movable.
117:  Movable that's right #1 And the doors #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. #
117:  then uh It's a piece of movable furniture I've got one upstairs
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. The uh the um up above the the second story of the house let's say um where you might store things.
117:  Oh you talking about the attic?
Interviewer:  Yeah. And the room in the house where you uh Uh do the cooking?
117:  That's the kitchen.
Interviewer:  {NW} Do you remember a how about out on your farm did you have a uh uh ever have an outside kitchen? A kitchen that was separate anytime
117:  #1 at one #
Interviewer:  #2 from #
117:  at one time the kitchen was separated from the house out home
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
117:  #2 yes. #
Interviewer:  Did you have a special name for it or did you still just call it a kitchen?
117:  It just a kitchen. It was out in my place that kitchen was uh the original building well grandfather built this big house and so they for a long time they would live in this uh bedroom {X} And then cook and eat out there {X} I suppose they spend the days most of them out there in that uh kitchen.
Interviewer:  I see. Um And how about a little room off the kitchen where you might store things?
117:  A pantry?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. And uh a room where you might keep um worthless furniture implement implements and so forth?
117:  Ah that go up the attic
Interviewer:  I see. What would you call that stuff? Would you have a name for for that that uh um
117:  The stuff that's you've ceased to use?
Interviewer:  Right.
117:  uh No you didn't you didn't dignify it with a name.
Interviewer:  I see. Well I wonder if there's something uh are any of these words familiar to you like plunder or junk
117:  Well I think I've heard them named plunder.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
117:  #2 But # junk was not junk is too {X} new.
Interviewer:  I see. Okay. Um.
117:  Plunder I think would would really fit in there.
Interviewer:  Okay. Fine. Now uh what do you use to sweep a floor with?
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  What do you use to sweep a floor #1 with? #
117:  #2 I. # don't.
Interviewer:  Well what would you use?
117:  {NS}
Interviewer:  If you if if you could for you if you were going to though?
117:  I'd use a broom.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now if a broom were here
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  We're talking about where the broom is. And the broom were here in relation to this. Where would you say the broom is?
117:  I'd say behind the door.
Interviewer:  Okay. You see there's whether you say behind the door and back of the door that's
117:  I say behind the door.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh On on Monday women traditionally did what?
117:  What?
Interviewer:  On Mondays. #1 Women #
117:  #2 {X} # they washed.
Interviewer:  Okay and they uh They so you say they did their what? That's right they did their
117:  Well it was the washing they dug their clothes out of the washing #1 machine. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # And on Tuesday they did their
117:  is that the ironing?
Interviewer:  Yeah. And. And uh a general word for both washing and ironing You say they're doing their
117:  laundry work?
Interviewer:  Sure. Uh when you come into your house Um first you to walk up from the street you walk up the what?
117:  Walk up a steps?
Interviewer:  Okay. And um then uh and then you're standing on the
117:  On the porch.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
117:  On the porch not the veranda {X} is a word used but we always call it a porch.
Interviewer:  Okay how does a veranda is a is a veranda different from a porch or is that just another #1 word for it? #
117:  #2 {D: I don't know} # I never had a had occasion to looked it up.
Interviewer:  Does a does a veranda have to does a does a porch have to have a roof? A roof.
117:  I well I In my opinion it would.
Interviewer:  What would you call it if it didn't have a roof?
117:  I wouldn't call it.
Interviewer:  Okay. You {X} you wouldn't have a name for it?
117:  I wouldn't have a name for it if it didn't have didn't have a roof over it.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. And you said you walk up the steps? If you're talking about walking up to the second floor Would you still say walking up the steps?
117:  We used to call 'em stair steps you put stair in there
Interviewer:  I see. Inside.
117:  Yeah
Interviewer:  In the house. Outside just steps
117:  #1 Just steps #
Interviewer:  #2 but in #
117:  But inside you put stair steps.
Interviewer:  Stair #1 steps. #
117:  #2 Cause # you going upstairs.
Interviewer:  Okay. I see. Um. If you didn't want the door that way you might tell someone please
117:  What close the door?
Interviewer:  Or. You might say close the door or you might say Another word you might use is
117:  Well you could say shut the door but I think we've said close the door
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
117:  #2 {X} # we would've said
Interviewer:  #1 close the door. #
117:  #2 Okay. #
Interviewer:  What's is there a difference between those two in your mind? Between close the door and shut the door?
117:  No there's no difference in my mind
Interviewer:  #1 between 'em. #
117:  #2 Uh huh. #
Interviewer:  I see. Uh and horizontal overlapping boards Uh for protective or decorative purpose you know on a house. Um Do you remember what they're called? Something put over on a frame house.
117:  You mean the outside?
Interviewer:  Yes.
117:  We call that the weather boarding.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh and um You get in um in a car And you um you what it? You turn on the motor and you Or a team of horses.
117:  That's talking about the
Interviewer:  Yeah.
117:  starting
Interviewer:  No yeah but then but after you get 'em started then you do what? Then you
117:  Oh Lord I done quit driving I almost
Interviewer:  #1 That's the word I'm talking #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  That's the word I'm talking about.
117:  Driving?
Interviewer:  Yeah. Now. So you say today I'll get in a car and what to town? I'll get in the car and
117:  and drive away.
Interviewer:  Sure. That's right. And yesterday I? Uh forty-five miles I
117:  I drove forty #1 five #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
117:  miles an hour.
Interviewer:  Right. And many times I have what from here to Atlanta? Same idea. Yesterday or many times I have from here to Atlanta. I have
117:  Driven?
Interviewer:  Sure.
117:  That's what you want.
Interviewer:  That's right. You see the some of these are uh there are some some regional differences in in these
117:  #1 Mm-hmm. Buddy I #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh. #
117:  Buddy I've driven all over Atlanta and I'm one of the few men that know the names of the streets. These young folks can't tell the names of the streets {X} tell me the name of the streets {X}
Interviewer:  Is that so? You know your way around pretty well. That's good.
117:  But uh they say I don't know I don't know how to get there
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um the the part of a house that the rain falls on outside
117:  Is the roof.
Interviewer:  Okay. And the rain then runs down the roof into the
117:  Gutters?
Interviewer:  Okay. Um and if you had several peaks on your roof.
117:  There'd be gables.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or or or okay several gables What would you call the place down here? Here are the gables like this and then down in here you might have to clean leaves out
117:  {X}
Interviewer:  Sure. Um. Before um uh they had indoor plumbing um they had to people use the what?
117:  Uh we had we ours was a privy you'd go to the back house {X}
Interviewer:  Uh what other names you familiar
117:  #1 Privy is #
Interviewer:  #2 with #
117:  all I know we just called it the privy. You talking about that little toilet?
Interviewer:  #1 That's right. #
117:  #2 {D:that high-bowled} # toilet?
Interviewer:  Sure.
117:  We called it a privy.
Interviewer:  A privy or a back house is the other word #1 {X} #
117:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. Now uh say that um we're talking about that we said the talking about a a building a person lives in you call that a A person lives in a
117:  You talking bout the {X} house?
Interviewer:  #1 Yes #
117:  #2 We # called it house {D:we weren't no} We didn't say a residence.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
117:  #2 But that's what it is #
Interviewer:  Sure. And what would the plural of what's the plural of that word?
117:  Houses.
Interviewer:  Sure. And the largest outbuilding on the farm is What?
117:  Largest building
Interviewer:  Outbuilding. {X}
117:  Well that's a barn.
Interviewer:  Okay. Would you describe the barn in your on your farm for me?
117:  Yeah the barn had uh four stables on its grounds A room where you put the harness and the staircase that went up to the to the first story's floor #1 where you #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
117:  stored hay.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what did you call that anything else besides the storage floor?
117:  No I wouldn't say I called it anything else um. There's a hay storage part but it #1 The barge #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
117:  was stored in the storage space for
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  the feed for your livestock.
Interviewer:  I see. You um but you didn't have a special word
117:  You you you want me say {D:a} hay mile?
Interviewer:  Uh well would you use that?
117:  Huh?
Interviewer:  Is that a is that word would you would you use that word?
117:  We didn't. That that was what you the hay mile is where you stored hay if you
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  going back to the sometimes.
Interviewer:  Uh. Who would did but people around here didn't use the word hay mile?
117:  cause I reckon I'm the only one that's used it. I I read that somewhere.
Interviewer:  Okay. Well what I was thinking of was was hay mile was fine or the word loft.
117:  #1 Well oh #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
117:  you were right you that I never thought about #1 the loft. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Uh-huh.
117:  A loft.
Interviewer:  Yeah #1 you might you might #
117:  #2 Yep yep. #
Interviewer:  use that. Uh alright and what about a a building for storing corn?
117:  Oh that's a corn trip.
Interviewer:  Alright. And a um uh a large uh collection of hay outside?
117:  Uh that's a hay stack.
Interviewer:  Okay. And um Were there any different uh Uh were they all pretty much the same just piles of hay or were they Were there some different kinds of uh of hay stacks in the uh
117:  Well down here in the South you always had a pole to stack the hay around with it.
Interviewer:  #1 {NS} #
117:  #2 {X} # No difference in the types.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. How how did you do that? Now you say you say stack it around if you just put the pole you you
117:  You set your pole down. Then you put your something on the bottom to keep it from rotting the hay from rotting at the bottom and you just pile it around you're always trying to keep your pile just a little bit high around the pole
Interviewer:  #1 I see 
 the #
117:  #2 so that the # water was dripped off in
Interviewer:  Okay.
117:  It was fairly satisfactory to keep it.
Interviewer:  Did you have a name for the for the um uh for that what sort of stuff would you put on the bottom to keep it from rotting?
117:  Well you'd take old limbs and wooden things and you'd want it where it had a little {X} {D:leaned} over the bottom.
Interviewer:  I see. And did you have a special name would you call that pole anything in particular?
117:  The pole?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
117:  Mm-mm no I only call it a stack pole that's only thing I #1 know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Fine that's what I was getting at. Um. And then um. Uh. Do you have a name for a smaller pile of hay? Um. Pile or stack of hay something smaller than that particularly in haying time you know when you might um before you put it together into this large
117:  Oh you might be maybe you think think fi- fishing for rack. #1 A hay rack. #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # A hay rack. That would be a smaller
117:  as you a certain types of hay we used to cure by we had a a rack that would let it stay on the empty little skewer
Interviewer:  I see. What was that like? Was that just a small uh #1 A small #
117:  #2 It had a # small frame that uh you put small amounts of that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  On.
Interviewer:  What was that frame How was that frame built? What did it look like?
117:  It was uh Three had three legs it was uh oh by the time {X} We grew a lot of pea-vine hay. #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
117:  pea-vine hey was hard to cure.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And it would mold and you you'd get in there after it's wilted a bit and these things had um sticks like that. There's three there's three legs you going to have six like #1 this. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Now you say you're talking about the the wreck and you say it stood about {X} four feet off the ground?
117:  Well you'd you'd put get it up as high as #1 you could go. #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. #
117:  and those things if you'd cross over the things like that and you'd put your hay around that and
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  hang up and get up to {X}
Interviewer:  I see. But then the circulation of the air uh uh
117:  It would cure out good hay yeah.
Interviewer:  I see. Okay. Um. Cure out good hay you mean as as opposed to it it would it would um You mean all of the hey would be good you know I mean it would
117:  and you you you save the the leaves you get The leaves would drop off of pea-vine hay
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And you saved the leaves in a bright green color and that gives It don't discolor.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  Too much sun discolors your hay.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  Just a pure in the winter why it it discolors and then um a little dampness and you put it up too green in a in a in a the barn and it'll mold on it.
Interviewer:  I see. Um What do you call a shelter did you call a shelter for cows?
117:  Called it a cow shed I reckon mine was a cow barn.
Interviewer:  Okay well is there a difference between those two or just uh um between those two words?
117:  No there's no difference between them words it's only what the you had. {NW} {NW} Under the average uh We didn't have too much fine architecture down here when #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh huh. {NW} #
117:  and there's just a little building thrown up and you you put a little lean two shed back there that's why that's where your cow shed that's that's a shelter where they get under when it's raining.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. But and this would be the place where they would be it now That But the cow shed was a temporary in other words a temporary thing where they would get out of the rain during the day. But that was different from the cow barn where they would go at night is that right?
117:  Well that's about all the that's about all the provision you made for your cow shed when you had a cow shed.
Interviewer:  I see. The cow shed I see. The cow shed was like a lean to the How about a place where the cows are taken to be milked?
117:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  When the cows were
117:  You talking about the cow tits
Interviewer:  Okay sure.
117:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Right. Exactly.
117:  Well that's how most of them are milked in the tits that the tits while the calves spent the day you know
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  The calves would spend the day in the pen and at night you Cows come up you tell them then {X} and pull her tits
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
117:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Okay that's what I was getting at. Right. Now uh a shelter or enclosure for hogs and pigs
117:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  For hogs and pigs.
117:  Oh that just a pig pen. You may want me say pig stall but it's just a pig #1 pen. #
Interviewer:  #2 No # I want you {X} uh and what do you call them you call them pigs when they're small they get bigger you call them what?
117:  What?
Interviewer:  After the pigs though are usually usually use that word for the smaller ones right? What do you call them when they get bigger?
117:  A shoat?
Interviewer:  Yeah and and they still bigger. They're full grown.
117:  Oh you're talking about a a sow?
Interviewer:  Alright.
117:  And let's see what what did they call them after they uh those that you A barrow.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
117:  And a boar. There there's your classification.
Interviewer:  Right. And all of those are all a a general term for all of them would be what?
117:  That's right you your barrow was the one that's you got your meat from cause your boar didn't give you They they were not too good to eat.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What uh do you have a general term though for all of them? For for for sows and and boars and barrows all of them would be different kinds of what?
117:  I don't know they're just hogs #1 all #
Interviewer:  #2 That's # that's {X} I'm sure. Uh. What you were saying something about barrows though before you were
117:  #1 Huh? #
Interviewer:  #2 saying # Uh you were speaking about the barrow you said that uh How does it How is a barrow made a barrow?
117:  He was he was unsexed
Interviewer:  Okay. What do you call that though when you do that to a
117:  By cutting him?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
117:  You cut him.
Interviewer:  Okay.
117:  He was unsexed. He's just like a gelding horse he's he's unsexed.
Interviewer:  Okay. And if you're talking about a horse you you'd also say just they cut him? That's the term? Say they cut him?
117:  Oh yes I that'd be the term I presume I I wouldn't That's beyond me but I know a gelding is a unsexed horse. #1 and a #
Interviewer:  #2 Huh. #
117:  barrow is an unsexed uh unsexed hog. And a steer is an unsexed cow.
Interviewer:  Okay and they call it unsexed sheep?
117:  Hmm? Oh. Is a {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. Um. Good. Ah before you were talking about um About uh dairy farms
117:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And uh uh what is the word that word dairy mean to you?
117:  Dairy?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
117:  Dairy means good milk with up heap of cream on it.
Interviewer:  I see. Um. And you'd use the word dairy as a as a substitute term for Um you you said dairy milk it meant it was a rich milk is that the idea?
117:  No I ate dairy as It had more significance way back yonder it used to they used to call Down at the creek they had a spring and they called it dairy house. #1 And you'd #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
117:  keep the milk and {X} That was way back yonder.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Do you remember having one of those on your
117:  #1 We didn't #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
117:  we didn't have one.
Interviewer:  I see.