Interviewer: Now um. What how did you uh you remember that how'd you call the the the cows to get 'em in from the pasture? 117: Yeah but I ain't gonna give you #1 a demonstration # Interviewer: #2 Aw come on. # Yeah I wish you would. 117: Huh? Interviewer: Do the best you can. I really wish you would. 117: I ain't I ain't gonna do that. I had two or three different ways of hollering the cows Interviewer: #1 O- # 117: #2 I # Interviewer: I wish you would because this is important because see these things are are are regionally distributed also. There are the people in different different parts of the South do this in different ways and we're we really like to get a um 117: {D:I I at last} before I quit I had a big old holler I could do I forgot it {D: and they they'd} come from way back down Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 117: #2 {D:there over} # the barn but I I don't {D:done forgot that} Interviewer: Okay. 117: You said {NW} {C:cattle call} Interviewer: Okay. 117: And I called for names you know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Uh how about uh any did you have any special calls to make them stand still at milking time? 117: Huh? Interviewer: At milking time to make them stand still. 117: No I the folks would say {D: soo} or something like that but I didn't have no trouble I when I put my hands on the tits I got the milk. #1 I'd milk 'em. # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 117: It didn't make no difference how much {D: they danced} Interviewer: Okay. Uh. Now uh any did you have any special calls to calves? 117: No you pretty sure you used terms of endearment that they learned to Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: to come to you. Interviewer: I see. Uh {X} calls to mules or horses to make them turn left and right when plowing. 117: Oh you talking about gee and haw {D: gee's} the right and then haw to the left. Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 117: #2 Yeah yeah now that's # Interviewer: Sure. And then any special calls to horses to get them in from the pasture? {NS} 117: I never did {X} have any special calls. There was one that {D: Wolf} used to use but Interviewer: You remember what that was? 117: Mm-mm. Interviewer: {X} {D:How is he} uh call a ho- call what would you ca- say to a horse to make it stop? 117: Hmm? Interviewer: {X} call to a horse to stop. 117: Whoa boy. Interviewer: Alright and calls to pigs at feeding time. 117: Piggy piggy piggy. Interviewer: Alright. And and did you ever have sheep? 117: Nope never had any sheep. Interviewer: Alright calls to chickens at feed chickens at 117: #1 {D: Chickory} # Interviewer: #2 feed # 117: chick chick chick Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 117: #2 {D: chickory chickoo} # Interviewer: Alright. And then uh uh if you were gonna take the horses out you have to do what to them first? You have to. What do you 117: {D: Curr} 'em yes {D: curr} your horse that what you talking Interviewer: No I'm this is what you put on when put when you put the the tackle on the horse ya know. 117: Before they put the harness on 'em #1 You {X} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 117: {D:where you caught} your horse and carry him to the watering trough and then you come out and curred him and brushed his hair and then you'd put your harness on him and then you went to the field and then you went to work. Interviewer: Right. Okay now what I was getting at is would you say I'm gonna hitch up the horse or I'm gonna harness the horse? Which is more more uh which would you more likely use? I'm gonna hitch up the horse or I'm gonna harness the horse? 117: I don't know what you're driving at. Interviewer: Well. I mean if you were gonna do this to a horse ya know you're gonna take it out in the field you're gonna go out and work with a horse uh you'd say I would you say I'm going to hitch up the horse or I'm going to harness the horse? {NS} Or something 117: Well the harnessing comes first and the hitching up comes comes next. Interviewer: #1 I see so # 117: #2 {X} # Interviewer: they're two separate things that's 117: That's right. Interviewer: I see. And then what you hold on to when you're when you're driving a horse um the thing 117: Hold on to the line? Interviewer: Yeah. And do you call the same thing in plowing? 117: You have lines when you plowed 'em #1 yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Alright. # How about when you're riding on a horse's back? 117: Huh? Interviewer: When you're riding on a horse's back. 117: Oh you're holding you hold the reins {X} Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 117: #2 you're riding to. # Interviewer: Alright and the things when you're riding on a on a on a saddle horse you uh you have your feet in the 117: Stirrup. Interviewer: Alright. And then did you have a parti- you have a particular name for the horse on the left or the horse on the right 117: #1 Hmm? # Interviewer: #2 in plowing? # In plowing 117: Yeah. Interviewer: The horse on the left and the horse on the right 117: {D:Yeah the} horse on the left is the {D:nearest horse} and the horse on the right's on the offside. Interviewer: Alright. Um and if you're talking about a distance distance from one place to another and something's just a i- is a is a short distance you'd say Oh that's just a 117: Over the hill. Interviewer: Yeah. And then if it's a long distance you'd say oh it's really a 117: A long way. Interviewer: Alright. Um. And if something's very {X} is not at all difficult to find. Something isn't difficult to find at all. You might say oh you can find that 117: Anywhere. Interviewer: Yeah. And if a {X} a boy fell this way you'd say he fell 117: Face forward. Interviewer: And if he fell the other way 117: He fell backwards. Interviewer: Alright. And someone {X} asks you about an apple about apples you know he says Are there any apples left? And you say no. The apples are 117: Gone. Interviewer: Alright. Um would you ever would you say neither one narrow one or nary a one any 117: Nary yeah nary's my favorite Interviewer: #1 {D:Nary a one huh} # 117: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Would it would it be nary a one is that 117: Nary a one left. Interviewer: Alright. Um. {NS} Um. If um someone broke a rake of yours let's say a rake or a an old rake or an old um spade a shovel or something. You might say Oh that's all I right I didn't like it- 117: You talking about breaking a tool? Interviewer: Yeah. Breaks an old tool of yours and you say Oh that's okay. That's alright. I didn't like it- 117: I don't know what I'd Interviewer: Well something like I didn't like it anyway I didn't like it anyhow or I didn't like it no way. 117: No way's what {D:you mean, you need} Interviewer: Well whichever one you use is what I want. Um. Say Did he give you any? You'd say no he didn't give me 117: He didn't give me any whatever it is. Interviewer: Okay. Um. And a little boy is spoiled. Um. And and uh when he grows up you might say when he grows up {X} he'll have his trouble. He'll have his trouble. Uh something like like is not apt is not or probably 117: Oh when you're when you're being spoiled I call him a spoiled brat and I don't Interviewer: {NW} 117: think {D:laid on an excuse} Interviewer: Okay. How about what do you call trenches cut by a plow? 117: A what? Interviewer: Trenches cut by a plow. What do you dig with a plow. 117: {D:Strangers} Interviewer: Is that you know trenches or what do you call those things that a plow digs? A plow when you're plowing you're you're digging or you're 117: #1 You mean # Interviewer: #2 make- # 117: {D:the fall in the} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. Um. To get the land ready to plant by getting rid of trees and bushes you'd say we had to what the land? 117: We had to clear it. Interviewer: Yeah. Um is there any other words you'd use 117: #1 Nope # Interviewer: #2 for that # 117: None as I Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 117: #2 know. # Interviewer: And say we raised a big what of cotton that year. We raised a big 117: A big what? Interviewer: A big what of cotton? Had a good year. You'd say we raised a very big 117: We raised a a good crop of cotton that Interviewer: Alright. And did you have a term for a second cutting of clover or grass? 117: That's a aftermath yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Um. And then um. Uh would you call did you ever have three crops in a in a year? 117: Hmm? Interviewer: Did you ever have three crops in a in a in a season? 117: Nope. #1 I never had that. # Interviewer: #2 Just two huh? # Alright. Um. Now when you're tying up um uh hay. Um. This is this is you also for for wheat but I don't suppose you you raised any wheat but uh in you tie things up into um you tie hay up into 117: A bundle? Interviewer: Yeah. Now. Would you have smaller bundles that you smaller uh collections that you'd tie up before you made a bundle? 117: Oh now here you you getting to where I was {X} At home we a man had a scythe and he would cut your oats. Interviewer: Yeah. 117: And wheat. And you'd follow behind that's my job and you'd pick up a armful and you'd tie it into a bundle. And twelve of those bundles would make a shock. Interviewer: I see twelve bundles would make a shock. 117: {D:Twelve} Twelve bundles would make a shock. Interviewer: Okay. And did you ever use the expression sheaf though or 117: Huh? Interviewer: You'd ever use sheaf or sheaves in that 117: Sheaves? Interviewer: Yeah. 117: No that that's proper but sheaves is Interviewer: Yeah. But you'd tie you'd tie up twelve little bundles #1 And then # 117: #2 We tied # them bundles and then then Interviewer: #1 And and made a shock # 117: #2 make a shock. # Interviewer: with twelve twelve bundles. Alright. If you uh if you had one bushel of corn and you added thirty nine more you'd have forty 117: If I had what thirty nine bushels and we've got another one have forty bushels of corn. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 117: #2 Yes. # Interviewer: Now um when oats when you talking about going through and uh and uh cutting the oats 117: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Do you ever use another word other than cutting? Say the oats are- Or would you say oats is or oats are? 117: Say use any word besides cutting Interviewer: Yeah. 117: {NW} No I wouldn't think so. Interviewer: When they're harvested there's 117: #1 {D:Well} # Interviewer: #2 a word # 117: We could've said I would've possibly said that but Interviewer: Yeah. Well I was 117: #1 But I think # Interviewer: #2 saying # 117: I said we're gonna start cutting oats tomorrow. Interviewer: Alright. Um. And would you say the uh uh would you ever use threshed or thrashed? 117: What? Interviewer: Thrashed? Or threshed? 117: Threshed? Interviewer: Yeah. With e- with 117: #1 Oh # Interviewer: #2 oats. # 117: yeah {D:that's with that} threshing machine is come along and thrash your your grain. Interviewer: Okay. Now If you were talking about oats would ya say The oats is threshed or the oats are threshed? 117: I'd say the oats have been thrashed. Interviewer: Okay the oats have been okay. Um um someone wants to know who it is and you'd say it's- 117: It is me? Interviewer: #1 Yeah it # 117: #2 Or it is I? # Interviewer: alright it's me and you'd say and if you're talking about another man you'd say it's not me it's- 117: It's him. Interviewer: And it's no- and a woman you'd say it's- 117: It's her. Interviewer: And if and if there's a number of of people you'd say it's- 117: It's they. Interviewer: Alright would you say it's they probably? Or it's them which 117: I might've say them I don't know I write out the first one that comes to mind. Interviewer: Okay fine that's that's that's what I want you to say. Uh. Now you're talking about how tall someone is you'd say well he isn't as tall as- In relation to yourself. You'd say well he isn't as tall as- 117: You are I I wouldn't know well I'd say he isn't as tall as John John is Interviewer: He's talking about you though. 117: Huh? Interviewer: You'd say he isn't as tall as 117: Isn't as tall as I am. Interviewer: Yeah. And I'm not as tall as- 117: As you. Interviewer: Alright there's a man though you know another man over there {X} but use a uh eh use a third you know person not uh I I'm not as tall as- that man over there. I'm not as tall as- You'd say I'm not as tall as he is or I'm not as tall as him. 117: I'd say him. Interviewer: Okay. Um and we're talking about possession of something and I ask you Whose is um whose it this? 117: That's mine. Interviewer: Alright and uh 117: Biggest one in the world. Interviewer: Okay. Whose is this? {C:laughing} 117: That's your'n. Interviewer: Alright. And uh 117: {D:Put that} {X} {D:on now} that's your'n. Interviewer: Okay that's {X} Is that uh {X} How does how does that word fit into your uh into your speech really now? Your'n. 117: Huh? Interviewer: Your'n. That's um uh and if it belongs to to him 117: It's his'n. Interviewer: And if it belongs to her 117: It's her'n. Interviewer: Alright and if belonged to uh to them 117: It's their'n. Interviewer: Alright. Now for those N- forms Are those uh are those really were those really very common? Um in your uh um community 117: #1 In my # Interviewer: #2 when you # 117: #1 association yeah # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 117: There's there's it was very common in my association cause it was just spent with the negroes out there on the farm. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Um. Talking about the greatest distance you could walk you'd say two miles is the what I could walk? 117: The greatest distance? Interviewer: Yeah would you say two miles is as far as I could walk all the farther I could walk or the furthest I could walk? 117: I've walked eight miles to Newnan many time {D: driving bool yelling} so I wouldn't Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: say there's a limit to it. Interviewer: Okay. Um. But if you were talking about {NW} the um uh would you would you if you were talking about some limit let's say twenty or thirty miles. You'd say twenty miles is as far as I could walk in one day or or all the farther I could walk in one day or the furthest I could walk in one day. Which of those? 117: Well I'd say I can't walk for more than two miles a day now. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} Now how about the use of you all? 117: Huh? Interviewer: The use of you all. 117: You all? Interviewer: Yeah. Now do you limit that to more than one person or do you sometimes use it with reference only to one person? 117: No y'all always meant more than one to me. Interviewer: Okay. And um uh how about using it in the possessive? talking about uh the car belonged to several people. Would you ever s- would you ever uh use that um to say uh y'all's car? 117: Now I wouldn't think I ever used that. Interviewer: Alright and if you wa- 117: I never had an occasion Interviewer: #1 Okay # 117: #2 to use that. # Interviewer: and if you wanted to know uh who was there might you say who all was there? Or who just who was there? 117: Say who was there that I I say that who was there. Interviewer: Alright. And um uh if you wanted to know everything that a person said you might say uh would you said What did what all did he say is that uh 117: Yeah that's Interviewer: #1 Or just # 117: #2 what all # did he say yeah Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 117: #2 {D:I'd pick a hold of that} # Interviewer: How about who all's children were there? 117: #1 Huh? # Interviewer: #2 Who # 117: Who I wouldn't put who all well I'd say whose children is that. Interviewer: Okay. Um you'd say um They don't there's no one taking care of them now so they've got to look out for- 117: Themselves. Interviewer: Alright. And um he better do it he's not going to get any help from anyone he has to do that- 117: By himself. Interviewer: Alright. And we're coming to some different kinds of bread you were talking about {D:whole cakes} before now there's some different kinds of of um uh what kind of flour is uh is bread usually made from? 117: Well you've got uh Interviewer: In addition to #1 corn. # 117: #2 wheat. # You've got wheat flour. Interviewer: Alright. 117: And uh that's about all rye flour rye stuff I don't know about that. Interviewer: Alright. How about uh what do you call um bread {NS} made with white with white flour? 117: With white flour? Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} 117: Just white bread Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 117: #2 yeah. # Interviewer: Um. {NS} And something else that that is made in a pan like bread made in smaller made with flour and similar to bread make a pan 117: You talking about {D:red broves} Interviewer: Yeah or make a pan of what? 117: Pan of rolls that what you Interviewer: Yeah there's another word like rolls though. 117: I don't know what you talking about. Interviewer: Not rolls but a 117: #1 Huh? # Interviewer: #2 pan # of biscuits. 117: Oh lord I was raised on biscuits and can can make you some good #1 biscuits. Yeah. Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. Okay. {C:laughing} # Now tell me 117: And hot bread I'm a hot bread man. That's what you talking about hot bread. Interviewer: Okay. Um. Biscuits or hot bread? 117: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 Or just # 117: that that's hot bread cause your baker's bread is cold bread Interviewer: #1 I see. # 117: #2 you know it's cold. # Interviewer: Okay. Now uh what kind tell me some things that are that are made with corn meal. 117: Huh? Interviewer: Some kinds of bread that are made with corn meal. 117: Well you can make uh the whole cake and you can make uh muffins and you can make batter cakes and I don't know. Those are the three types I know you and then you used to well I ain't going into that. Interviewer: Yeah I wish you would if you can if you can think of them. 117: They used to make a mush I we never did make mush {D:folks just keep mush} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: That was um {D:sugar} slowly boiled mixed with corn Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 117: #2 meal. I we # never did were mush eaters. Interviewer: Did you ever hear mush called anything else? 117: Huh? Interviewer: Did you ever hear mush called anything else? 117: Looks like it could have another name what was it? Interviewer: Well I was thinking of cush. 117: #1 Cush yeah yeah # Interviewer: #2 Did you ever # 117: yeah I heard of cush yeah Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 117: #2 I heard of him too. # Interviewer: Okay. Now um what's a corn dodger is that 117: What? Interviewer: A corn dodger. 117: That must be in the old pones They make them into pones It they'd shape them up into a pone and put about three big old pones in a dish and bake it I don't know what a corn dodger is unless that's it. Interviewer: Okay. And what did you call those little balls of of cornmeal that are sometimes you put onion in it in the in the cornmeal and then drop it in uh 117: You talking about corn dumplings? Interviewer: Right. And you boil these in fat. 117: Uh we never did have {X} corn dumplings. I wasn't raised on that. Interviewer: Okay. Um now this is a kind of um of um uh pastry that has a hole in the middle. 117: Oh that's a donut ain't it? Interviewer: Okay. And you mi- are there any any other things similar to donuts? Maybe somewhat different shape and taste and different kinds of flour? 117: Donuts and you used to have uh you used to make a. Now what donuts got the hole in it Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: And while I don't know what them things look like tea cakes we was raised on tea cakes. They were just another flat cakes. What you call 'em what they call 'em now. They call them they use them now. That's over where {X} They serve them at these women serve them what you call them? You know what I'm driving Interviewer: #1 Yeah you don't # 117: #2 at. # Interviewer: Tea cakes I really don't know {X} 117: Wafers wafers Interviewer: Wafers? 117: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 They're like cookies # 117: #1 they said wafers. # Interviewer: #2 or something like that. # 117: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 I see. # Um now you mentioned batter cakes as being made of corn meal. 117: Yeah. Interviewer: Um did you ever have uh batter cakes made of um of um uh ordinary flour? 117: No {X} I think partially put a little flour in this that was a batter cake. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Uh and you put syrup butter and syrup on those? 117: That's right. Butter them and uh. Now the the best thing of all was you made it out of your wheat. That was a waffle. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} 117: A waffle was a Did you ever see a waffle? Interviewer: Oh sure. 117: #1 A waffle now that's # Interviewer: #2 Sure I eat waffles all the time. # 117: real good eating Interviewer: Yeah. 117: You had to have plenty of time and deliver it to to cook another of them for a man could eat them faster than he could they could Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 cook them. # Interviewer: Right. Uh if uh you have one pound of flour and you add two more then you have 117: Three pounds. Interviewer: Alright and the center of the egg is called what? 117: The yolk. Interviewer: Alright. And the uh material used to make bread rise is- 117: You talking about yeast? Interviewer: Yeah. And the what's the color of a yolk? 117: What? Interviewer: The color of the yolk of an egg. What color is the yolk of an egg? 117: It's yellow. Interviewer: Alright. And and what about the uh uh uh if you take take eggs and put them in in uh um uh boiling water for three minutes you have a- 117: You have a boiled egg a hard oh you mean cooking and poaching. You talking about poaching them? Interviewer: Okay tell me about how do you do that? 117: Poaching them? Interviewer: Yeah. 117: You get your water to boiling put some egg in there and cook them and it's pr- pretty good eating. Interviewer: Okay. Uh now here we've come back to some different kinds of meat that uh um um different kinds of hog meat. Now what do you call the meat from the underside of a hog that that has practically no lean in it at all? 117: That's the side meat of the hog. Interviewer: Alright. Now is there any other word used besides side meat? 117: Oh I think that I think that's where the bacon comes from. Interviewer: Yeah. Alright. Um. Now if it has no lean in it at all you'd call it side meat? 117: You have about that {D:there} up at the top the fat back. Interviewer: Alright. 117: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 The fat # back has no no um uh no lean at all but if it has some lean in it you call it side meat and then if it has a little more lean you call it 117: #1 Well you see # Interviewer: #2 bacon # 117: when we bu- butchered our own hogs that that fat back is what we took and made lard out of. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 117: #2 {X} # we cut the thing down where the where the the backbone comes out and and the ribs come to there's a place there where that uh under part Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 117: There's a clear line it was uh I reckon the ribs must come from back Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 117: #2 there as far as # I know it's been so long since I Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: killed a hog but Interviewer: Yeah. 117: The side meat was what we used to boil #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 vegetables in. # I see. You don't remember any any humorous terms for that 117: What you talking about {D: salt belly}? Interviewer: Yeah {NS} {D:salt belly} um I interviewed a man over in Tallapoosa couple of weeks ago and he called it uh Alabama ham. Or uh an Arkansas chicken. 117: #1 No I never did # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 117: #1 {X} I didn't hear that. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # Yeah. 117: We just called ours side meat and went on. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. Now uh when you a- when you cure bacon um. You and you after you uh when you cut it you have to cut it that part off the edge that hardens. Hard on the end what's that called? 117: #1 What? # Interviewer: #2 It's a crust # That crusty part on the end of a bacon. 117: Slab? Interviewer: Yeah the slab of bacon but there's a a crusty part on the end. That you can't eat The hard part 117: I don't know unless you're talking about the titties where there was just the sows where their tits were. Interviewer: Uh-huh. But I didn't mean that but uh did you ever call that kind of meat anything? 117: We never did designate the difference. Interviewer: Alright well I was I was thinking about was in curing bacon you have this rind on the around the edges 117: What the rind? Interviewer: Yeah. Um and then meat packed in a casing is called what? 117: You put sausage in the cases. Interviewer: Alright and the man who cuts meat in town is called a- 117: Hmm? Interviewer: The man who cuts meat 117: #1 He's a meat # Interviewer: #2 A meat cutter # 117: cutter. Interviewer: A meat #1 cutter or a # 117: #2 He's a butcher. # Interviewer: Alright. And the um would you say that again please? 117: Hmm? Interviewer: Would you say that again? 117: Butcher. Interviewer: Yeah I was talking {X} Um the meat if um if meat is left out too long isn't kept refrigerated it might 117: It'll spoil. Interviewer: Alright and thi- this is a kind of uh of um uh of a food made with the meat from a hog's head. 117: Oh you talking about souse? Interviewer: Okay. And if butter is left out too long what is that? 117: #1 Hmm? # Interviewer: #2 What happens # to butter? 117: Butter? Interviewer: Yeah. 117: #1 It gets # Interviewer: #2 Butter's left # 117: spoiled and gets rank that's the absolute end of it Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 117: #2 as far as I know. # Interviewer: And now milk when milk 117: #1 It sours # Interviewer: #2 thickens # 117: yes. Interviewer: or and it thickens When it thickens 117: clabbers clabbers yeah Interviewer: Right and what you have a name for a kind of cheese that that's made of that 117: You talking about cottage cheese? Interviewer: Right. And if you were uh you're working with milk and you want to get the impurities out of it and you po- wanna you pour it through something you'd say you're doing what to the milk? 117: What you talking about a straining? Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 {X} # Interviewer: That's right. An apple pastry baked in a deep dish. Do you have a name for that? A kind of apple uh {NS} 117: An apple sauce? Interviewer: Well that's Okay but I was thinking of something more like a pie. A kind of apple pie 117: #1 Oh I was raised # Interviewer: #2 baked in a # 117: on apple pies yeah. Interviewer: Yeah in a deep dish though. If you had a special name 117: #1 Not too # Interviewer: #2 {D:for it} # 117: deep a dish. Interviewer: No. 117: I was raised on apple pie. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. But uh a deep when in the you didn't have anything made in a deep dish that you can 117: Now you can make a deep dish if you want to. My people didn't use a deep dish Interviewer: Okay. Um. Do you have a name for a sweet liquid served with pudding. 117: What? Interviewer: A sweet liquid. It might be poured on top of a of a pudding. 117: I wouldn't know that's just a sauce. Interviewer: Okay. Now what would that include 117: Hmm? Interviewer: What would a sauce include? 117: I wouldn't know. Interviewer: Alright do you have a name for food eaten between meals? 117: Nope. Interviewer: Okay. And if you were gonna just eat something between meals you might say you're gonna ta- have a little 117: Never had any name for that. Interviewer: Alright. Um. Now talking about um you you say in the morning I get up and I what breakfast I I 117: What you talking about shaving? Interviewer: No breakfast I 117: You want me to say what miss Bartow wouldn't let me say I ate breakfast. Interviewer: Okay. Who's miss Boxer is that your teacher? 117: I keep calling her miss Bartow that's my mother. Interviewer: Oh I see. You called your mother that? 117: I called her miss Bartow. Interviewer: Oh I see. 117: Cause those negroes did. Interviewer: Uh-huh. I see. 117: No she never did let us ate. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: And what what'd you want me to say I'd eaten breakfast? Interviewer: Well whichever you'd use you know. 117: Huh? Interviewer: Yes whichever um uh whichever How do you spell that the name you called your mother miss uh 117: B-A-R-T-O-W Interviewer: I see was that her uh was that her 117: That was her given name she was named {D:of} her brother went in the army and he thought so much as general Bartow who a county up here in north Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 117: #2 {X} # was named for a general Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 117: #2 Bartow. # And there was a {D:ward} of of little Bartows come along. Interviewer: Is that right? 117: And so she was miss Bartow. Interviewer: I see. 117: She's a the negroes come up miss Bartow oh miss Bartow. So I said miss Bartow. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 117: You're you're looking at a Interviewer: Alright. 117: A sort of halfway nigger man. Interviewer: Yeah well that's interesting is I think that's that's interesting to uh to see how that uh um that really enlarges your experience uh your uh your your use of of uh language. Now something you drink in the morning some people drink in the morning a cup of People have a cup of 117: What you talking about? Interviewer: Have a cup of 117: Coffee? Interviewer: Yeah and um if you're going to to prepare this you'd say I'm going to what some coffee? 117: I'm gonna make some coffee. Interviewer: Alright and you might you might be thirsty and go over to the sink and get a {NS} um turn the wat- turn and get yourself a {NS} something else you drink comes out of the faucet. 117: Water? Interviewer: Sure. You'd go over and get yourself a what of water? 117: You losing me in housekeeping. Interviewer: No this is just something if you went in to the kitchen if you were thirsty if you were thirsty you'd go into the kitchen and turn on the faucet and get yourself a 117: And get me some getting myself a drink of water. {C:pronunciation} Interviewer: Alright and you'd pour it into a 117: Pour it into a cup Interviewer: #1 Or a # 117: #2 is that what # Interviewer: A cup but it didn't have a handle on it might just be a 117: A glass? Interviewer: Sure. Um you'd say uh I didn't see the news tonight uh because the what was broken? The you you watch you might have radio or you might watch 117: Say I didn't see the news Interviewer: On what? 117: cause the television was broken. Interviewer: Okay. That's what you'd use if if uh uh um Alright and say I was thirsty so I I what some water I 117: Drank some water. Interviewer: Alright. And I have- twelve glasses already today I have really been thirsty I I have {NW} 117: You gone leave me on the {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: {D:Gonna be a} relative come along in and uh I wasn't expecting anybody and he come in there and he made a sign Interviewer: Mm. 117: And I thought he wanted to go up to the toilet and and m- I hadn't zipped up my britches so I don't {X} {C:laughing} say I said well is it you or she wants to go I Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 I see # 117: #2 So that # So I don't get the sign Interviewer: #1 No. # 117: #2 to # Interviewer: But what I meant here was I said drink and I'd say Today I drink some water. Yesterday 117: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 I drank some water and # many times I have 117: Drank water. Interviewer: Okay that's all. 117: #1 {D:I} # Interviewer: #2 And then # 117: drunk it somewhere in there I would've drunk. Interviewer: Okay you might use that sure. Um. Invitation for people to sit down at a at a table. What would you tell someone you had some people over and then you had a big dinner on a table you might say. They're standing up 117: Have a seat. Interviewer: Okay and so then they all 117: Are seated. Interviewer: Alright so you'd say Uh he was standing up and then he what down he 117: Then he was seated. Interviewer: Yeah you could say he was seated or else or you could say he 117: #1 Sat down. # Interviewer: #2 uh # Uh okay. He what now? 117: {NW} He sat down. Interviewer: Alright. Um um 117: Sit down. Sat down. He sat down yeah. Interviewer: Alright uh how else might you say that? 117: Huh? Interviewer: How else might you say that? 117: Oh I might say that anytime. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 117: #1 {D: You} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 117: sat down. Interviewer: Alright. Um. What um uh If you're passing a passing a bowl of potatoes around the the table you might um give the bowl to someone and say What would you say to them? 117: {X} We at the table now? Interviewer: Yeah. 117: And you pass a bowl #1 around? # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 117: And maybe I don't want any is that what's Interviewer: #1 Alright yes # 117: #2 going on? # Interviewer: I want that too what would you say under those circumstances? 117: Well if they're passing them around and I want 'em I'd thank 'em if it If I didn't want 'em I'd say I don't believe I care for Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 117: #2 {X} right now. # Interviewer: And if you were passing them around what might you say to someone to get their attention you might say 117: Say will you have some potatoes Interviewer: #1 That's it # 117: #2 {D: You gotta you gotta get} # {D:it out of} the bowl {D:well I got to get it out of that} {D:form of} {X} Interviewer: Okay um and if you had a big roast one day and Monday you're having the same thing you might say on Monday we're having 117: #1 Have # Interviewer: #2 what # 117: a big what? Interviewer: You had a big meal on one day you know and you didn't eat it all. And you were gonna eat the same thing the next day 117: #1 We had # Interviewer: #2 You'd say # 117: a feast. Interviewer: Yeah and so the next day you're eating 117: Uh we had a feast and the next day's a famine Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 117: #2 and that's what I used. # Interviewer: But well what I was getting at was you call it warmed over food or left over food. 117: Huh? Interviewer: Would you call it warmed over food or left over food? 117: I believe we'd warm it over I believe we warmed ours over I would think. Interviewer: Okay and you put food in your mouth and you 117: I chaw it. Interviewer: Okay. And and you what it before you swallow it? 117: #1 Huh? # Interviewer: #2 Today # Today I uh I chaw it yesterday I The past 117: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 tense. # 117: Wait a minute I I masticated my food Interviewer: #1 Okay # 117: #2 so # Interviewer: you say masticated or 117: I masticated my food. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 117: #2 {D:you just say} # I put some in my mouth and I didn't chaw it I masticated. Interviewer: Okay. But if you um talking about tobacco you'd say um today he chews tobacco yesterday he- 117: He chewed. Interviewer: Okay and 117: Tomorrow he'll continue chewing. Interviewer: Okay and day before yesterday he had already 117: Already chewed? Interviewer: Yeah. And now It's there's some things that you grow oh well you had a little a little piece of land out in the eh in the in the yard you might call it a patch uh where you'd grow things but you might call it something else. A little what? Especially in town. #1 More than not. # 117: #2 {D:I don't know} # in the yarn? You're talking about in the yarn? Interviewer: Yeah. Alright What would you call that out there? Yeah that's right what's the word? 117: I called it a garden. Interviewer: Alright. 117: I had a ga- I had a flower gardens. And I used to call it I used call it the garden. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: And my nephew disliked my putting that Y- in there #1 yarn # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # 117: and I Interviewer: Uh-huh 117: said you know better you ought not to say that but I Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: I had a flower garden. {C:pronunciation mixes garden and yard} Interviewer: Okay. 117: Still got it. Interviewer: Alright. And what else might you grow besides flowers? {D:to} grow grew a you know um 117: Well I wasn't too much on vegetables I I I grew a looking garden I didn't grow a eating garden. Interviewer: Okay. Now that's an interesting distinction. Uh what about a uh corn when they uh it's made of corn you take the when you take the um um uh husk off the corn or the the 117: You talking about a hominy? Interviewer: Right now what do you call 'em when it's ground? 117: It's meal when it's ground and it's hominy when you get those husks off and cook it. Interviewer: Alright. Uh how did you get how do you get the husks off? 117: You use lye to get the husks #1 off # Interviewer: #2 Alright. # 117: and make hominy. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 117: Are you talking about husking and shelling it ain't it? Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 Husking # and shelling the way you are talking Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 about it. # Interviewer: Yeah that's right. Um this is something else that's white. 117: Hmm? Interviewer: The something else that's uh white colored um that you eat it looks a little like hominy it's not hominy though it's not made of corn at all it's made of another grain that grows in the low countries. 117: #1 Rice # Interviewer: #2 especially # 117: rice Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 rice. # Interviewer: Now do you have a term for cheap whiskey? 117: Huh? Interviewer: Cheap whiskey. 117: Cheap whiskey. Interviewer: Yeah. 117: No I I don't rot gut I reckon. Interviewer: Okay how about homemade whiskey? 117: Moonshine's {D:yeah alright} Interviewer: Alright or any homemade beer? 117: I don't know nothing about that. I you you talking to a man that don't know about drinking. Interviewer: Okay. Um if um uh something was cooking you might say to someone just that just 117: If it smell good I say that smells mighty good. Interviewer: Okay. And um this is um uh something that um is made of sorghum {X} And when it gets thick I think you make it with sorghum. 117: Hmm? Interviewer: Sorghum is a kind of what? Sorghum is made in how is sorghum 117: Sorghum? Interviewer: Yeah. 117: That's what I said Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 you make # with that {D: surret} {D:back there} Interviewer: Right. 117: Sorghum is made out of The syrup is in the barrel we done passed him way back there Interviewer: #1 Right. # 117: #2 And you got # the spigot. Interviewer: Okay. 117: On the barrel. Interviewer: Okay. Now what about when that stuff is is uh gets very thick? What's that called? 117: What sorghum syrup Interviewer: Yeah. 117: When it gets thick? I don't know. Interviewer: Well what do you call that stuff that's thick and you have to pull it? You know it really gets some its a kind of another kind of syrup. Black stuff dark colored 117: You talking about molasses? Interviewer: Yeah. How is molasses made? 117: I don't know that's that's made down in the {D:town} I don't know nothing about Interviewer: #1 Oh # 117: #2 molasses. # Interviewer: okay. 117: I've sold it. Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 117: #2 That's all I know. # Interviewer: Would you say molasses is thick or molasses are thick? 117: Hmm? Interviewer: You're talking about molasses being thick You'd say this molasses is really thick or this molasses these molasses are thick? 117: I would say molasses is thick. Interviewer: Okay. #1 And if something # 117: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Yeah go ahead. 117: Huh? Interviewer: No that's I was didn't want to interrupt you. 117: No that's that's that's what I'm gonna say I'm gonna say molasses is thick. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 117: #2 I ain't gonna # say molasses are thick I'm gonna say molasses is thick. Interviewer: Okay. Um. If uh something isn't artificial. You know something isn't is this uh artificial leather you say no this is- 117: Genuine. Interviewer: Okay. And if you buy something in a store you might buy it in package or you might buy it in- You buy a lot of it you know you're not buying it you don't buy it um in a small package you you buy it in it's opened 117: Package you buy the piece I don't know. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 what you're # Interviewer: #1 Well I was # 117: #2 talking about # Interviewer: talking about bulk or bulk. {C:pronunciation} Bulk. 117: Bulk? Interviewer: Bulk or bulk. {C:pronunciation} Bulk sugar you know. 117: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Interviewer: What's that? 117: Bulk is what you're talking Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 about. # Interviewer: Um. And something that you might put on toast you might put butter on toast and then over that you might put something made of uh of uh uh um um something you spread over it. 117: Oh a little jelly helps it. Interviewer: Okay. And you have two shakers on the table those are the 117: Shakers? Interviewer: Yeah. 117: That's for that's for salt and pepper I think. Interviewer: Alright. And if you were um if there were a bowl of apples on the table you might say to someone please what me an apple? Please- 117: Pass me an apple? Interviewer: Or gi- And so then the 117: Toss me a one? Interviewer: Yeah toss me one or gi- Or give. Or do you use the form give? Instead of toss you might say You might do you not say uh use the form give? 117: At the table we used to have to say {D:thanks for} so and so and then later on we got to so previously we'd say pass it. Interviewer: Okay well I was thinking of give me an apple. 117: {X} Interviewer: Um. Listen we're about um {NS} 117: {X} {C:heavy static in background} {D:in the library} {C:static} {X} {C:static} named uh missus {D:Witness} {NS} Interviewer: Sounds familiar I'm not 117: Her given name is Darling {X} {C: static} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 117: And a year ago I was down at uh Americus that's where I {D:teach 'em} {X} {X} in the library I was Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 117: #2 {D:teaching English} # I wasn't {D:We were among folks} Interviewer: No. Do you have relatives in Americus? 117: Huh? Interviewer: You have relatives in Americus? 117: Well I was down there at {D:the horseshoe} {D:until I learned how} #1 {D:you get} # Interviewer: #2 Oh I see. # 117: {D:to being home} {X} I thought I'd see missus {D: Humphert} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: I was very fond of the whole {X} leadership but when I got there in June she had died in March. Interviewer: Oh I see. {NW} {NS} 117: Do you go down to Americus much? Interviewer: Well we're gonna get uh we're going to have to work down there I was I was 117: #1 I I could # Interviewer: #2 {D:on the fifth} # 117: talk about Albany {D:do you want to go over} Interviewer: Yeah Albany and Americus both right. {NS} You know some people down there? 117: I I I I know a {D:pretty little} {D:store} {D:to be} {D:Alicia} {D:and she don't mind} {X} Interviewer: Is that right? 117: {D:That's all I think} {NS} Who did you say you worked with over in Carcoll County? Interviewer: Uh I haven't I'm looking for somebody in Carroll County to uh the interview. 117: #1 Who did you # Interviewer: #2 Uh. # 117: meet with down there about the whiskey or something? Somebody along that way. Interviewer: Oh that was in Tallapoosa that was uh um in uh that was the the 117: That's Haralson County. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 Tallapoosa # Interviewer: #1 Yeah. Right right. # 117: #2 in Haralson. # Interviewer: But he uh he was his name was um um Howe I think. And he was a retired postmaster in Tallapoosa. And I was I was over there about a month ago and interviewed him. 117: Mm. Well I I {X} I was a {X} {D:around a} plow boy. Interviewer: Uh-huh well that's great. That's that's fine yep um. {NS} Uh. Talking before about um distances you know um a short distance and a long distance and say it's right it's not it's not far it's it's right- In that direction you might say oh it's right- 117: Over yonder. Interviewer: Okay but Uh yonder or a really uh uh 117: #1 Huh? # Interviewer: #2 uh # uh 117: Yonder {X} yonder. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: But no I I never did we didn't say that. I I I don't know too much about Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 117: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 117: #2 {X} # All uh all my directions are {X} that I got from {X} Interviewer: Is that right huh? 117: Cause Miss Bartow didn't allow us to talk that way. Interviewer: I {NW} #1 {NW} {C:laughing} # 117: #2 I I never did # did see nobody I I always saw 'em but I never seen 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: #1 You know he # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 117: course I I seen him. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: But I never did seen nobody. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: I saw him but it wasn't necessary to saw him. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. So your mother wasn't didn't wouldn't let you uh uh use those expressions that's a 117: Huh? She made us walk the straight and narrow. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: And she had a way of doing it listen She didn't have course I I I can share a little piece {X} all right. Interviewer: {NW} 117: but uh {NS} she didn't make us ashamed of our heritage. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: I {NS} if we we didn't there correctly {X} {D:the old question} if they said anything we'd say oh it wasn't that way it was this way. Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 117: #2 {D:Cause} # they called Dave {D: Elding} I remember in Whitman they called Dave {D: Elding} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 117: #2 {X} # Just saying well there you go Dave {D: Elding} when she Interviewer: Uh-huh. 117: She had put {X} Interviewer: What does that mean? 117: Huh? Interviewer: What does that mean? 117: Well Dave {D: Elding} was a notorious fellow correcting {D:most} on everything she said and uh {D:parents} and so when I said so she had some things like that She just didn't pronounce well. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NW} 117: And uh she'd call certain things and uh if we were messy about our eating she'd call us {D: Annis Hagler} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 117: {D: Annis Hagler} {D:was a was a was a} was messy around the table. #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # 117: She used to she had a way of making {D:us uh} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 117: for the lord. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What do you call the hard center of a cherry? 117: I call it the it's a pit. If you don't know what it is it's I call it a stone though. Interviewer: Okay and what about the hard center of a peach? 117: Well I {X} Peach seed is all I know. Interviewer: Alright and what do you call a peach that separates easily from the seed? 117: It's a {X} {X} Interviewer: Alright and how about one that does not separate easily? 117: It's a {D:plum} {X} Interviewer: Alright. 117: Oh {X} that's what that that {X} is is Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 117: #2 what the # {D:nurse one} used. Interviewer: I see. 117: You haven't turned anything on this and hope that's the {X} Interviewer: No it's it's fine. 117: I thought the {X} Interviewer: I turned it on. 117: You did Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 alright. # Interviewer: Um. The uh center of an apple is called what? 117: The core ain't gonna be no core. Interviewer: Okay. And what about these nuts that grow underground you mentioned before? 117: Oh you talking about peanuts? Interviewer: Yeah. What else you call them? 117: goober noobers Interviewer: Okay. Now this is a kind of nut that grows in a tree that has a a big husk around it a big green when it's ripening it has a big green soft covering and then underneath that is a hard covering. 117: Are you talking about a hickory nut or chestnut or what {X} Interviewer: No what one more. Black- 117: Black walnut? Interviewer: Alright. Now {NW} 117: Or the Chinkapin Interviewer: Alright. Uh what do you call the hard covering of a of a of a over a a walnut? 117: A what? Interviewer: The hard covering over a walnut. 117: The walnut? Interviewer: Yeah. 117: I never did hear a name for it. Interviewer: Really well you see when you get the walnut out you know so you can eat it you have to take off the 117: Oh you {D:pass it up} {X} {X} {X} {D:walnuts} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 117: #2 {X} # {D:But I had to hear that} Interviewer: So the outer part's a hull would you {X} is the the soft part the hull? 117: I never did hear a name for it. Interviewer: Okay. Um if uh and this is a fruit that grows in Florida. Uh you drink the juice. It's a fruit. 117: #1 What you talking # Interviewer: #2 Grows in # 117: about a grapefruit? Interviewer: Well this is something like a grapefruit only it's smaller. 117: A lime? Interviewer: One what's another citrus fruit? 117: What you talking about an orange? Interviewer: Sure. 117: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 117: to that. Interviewer: Yeah that's right sure. And and the plural of that is what? They 117: What? Interviewer: The more than one orange. 117: You have two oranges. Interviewer: Okay. And these are little little vegetables that grow underground they're 117: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 red # 117: a radishes? Interviewer: Yeah and then and then this is uh something larger that grows on a vine. In the garden. 117: Grows on a vine. Interviewer: Yeah these grow on vines and then they're um you have to put a stick in the ground sometimes 117: You talking about tomatoes? Interviewer: Yeah. Um and these grow underground uh and they're sometimes about this big there are different kinds some are white and some are kind of orange or red inside 117: What you talking about turnips or uh Interviewer: Uh 117: sweet potatoes? Interviewer: Okay. That's now what um what other kinds of potatoes are there besides sweet potatoes? 117: There's white potatoes. Or Irish potatoes. Interviewer: Alright. 117: #1 We call them # Interviewer: #2 Do you ever use # 117: Irish taters. Interviewer: Okay. Di- did you uh uh um did you ever use the expression the term yams? 117: Yams is a {D:correct} Yams is {X} {D:well yeah} yams. Interviewer: Alright. And what do you call these vegetables that when you cut them they make your eyes water? 117: What you talking about an onion? {C:pronunciation} Interviewer: Alright now what different kinds are there? 117: {NW} Interviewer: Come on. 117: {NW} {D:I don't know} {X} {D:I say} {X} Interviewer: Right. 117: #1 You got # Interviewer: #2 Alright. # 117: some red onions some white ones and you got a little nest onion that's a sweet little onion. Interviewer: Okay. 117: Grows in in {X} I'd say Interviewer: Okay- 117: We'd call them {X} onions. Interviewer: Alright. Um to take uh take beans {X} Some beans you have to to break open uh when you do when you're doing that what are you doing to the beans? Taking the covering off so you can eat them. 117: You mean when you {D:fishing for} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 117: You spring 'em. Interviewer: Alright now that's one kind of bean where you spring 'em the long bean. What do you call those long beans? You might call them string beans but you you have any other name for them? 117: Uh I just just knew 'em as beans. {X} We didn't {D:and} lots of {D:folks} called them string beans {X} Interviewer: We just called them beans okay. What about um the kind 117: #1 {D:Cause} # Interviewer: #2 kind # 117: we had two different types at home. We had bunch beans and whole beans. And whole beans is a {D:group} They were {D:running} beans that had longer beans. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 117: #2 {X} # Grew 'em in groups and they were cured at a later season. Interviewer: Alright. What about the bunch beans? 117: Well bunch beans is uh At first you {D:get} and then you {D:heat} {D:your heat} comes early. You get the bunch beans right quick and then you {D:flash the} whole beans and then they fruit at a later time. Interviewer: Alright what do you call when but you know some of these beans uh There are some kinds of beans that you that you have to break the shells off. And in order to eat them You don't eat the sh- {NW} {C:distortion}