Interviewer:  When you said that you wore home sundresses during the day now what about what was your Sunday dress?
176:  Well they were out of uh what they call percale.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  There was no silk or nothing like that
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  those days they just had what they call percale dresses.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh they were you know made and made kinda a little fancy and
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah
176:  But the homespun dresses were just plain {D: you know}
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  for us to work in.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um and your school dresses, that what did they look like? Where
176:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 they #
176:  They were out of the
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 percale. #
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  But we didn't wear them after we got home we got home we'd take them off.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh uh maybe uh have two and wear one one day and one the next, and we wouldn't wash 'em maybe about once a week.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Uh-huh. Just wear 'em to school? #1 {X} #
176:  #2 Yeah just wear 'em to school # keep 'em
Interviewer:  Keep 'em
176:  Whe- we knew to keep 'em clean and not tear 'em up
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 or # mess them up.
Interviewer:  Did you have um anything when you were working and you {X} something, you wear anything that go over? {X}
176:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  #1 no. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  just wore the
Interviewer:  Working in the kitchen or anything would you wear
176:  Apron.
Interviewer:  {D: And wear a}
176:  #1 and wear an apron #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  {D: under it} uh-huh.
Interviewer:  And it where they um just it comes in a loaf? Or di- what did it {D: cover}
176:  #1 Cover. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  #1 Cover, yes. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  {D: and you made} those too?
176:  Yeah, my mother made 'em.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh what about you know uh shoes? Where would you go to buy shoes?
176:  Well uh you that was one of the uh one of the bad thing about it we wouldn't get to go and try on the shoes, we'd just have to uh my mother and daddy would have to go and buy 'em and then bring 'em you know and uh and most of the time they were too big or {NW}
Interviewer:  But you'd
176:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 had # to wear 'em?
176:  we had to wear 'em, yes.
Interviewer:  {NW}
176:  Yeah. They're they just had to guess at what size we wear, maybe they'd measure our feet before they left. And see what they uh they'd get 'em uh large enough that they didn't hurt our {X} they'd think they wouldn't hurt our feet but they did because they were too large
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  most of the time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  But we've always supplied of a pair of shoe and I can remember the first time that uh we had any um bought candy that was uh ma- my mother {X} would make candy
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 you know, # she put peanuts in it and we'd pull it and uh make candy like that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  But um I could remember the first candy that we uh had and it was uh after I was I'd say must have been about nine eight or nine years-old.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh the wh- store she had then you know and they had uh fancy candy. And uh so my mother bought some and put it in our stockings on Christmas.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  That that was the first time I remember we always had in our stockings for Christmas, we always had homemade stuff, you know, cookies {NS} and that she'd make and uh {NS} stuff that she she'd make you know?
Interviewer:  What
176:  #1 and #
Interviewer:  #2 what # was the candy like? Just {X}
176:  Well it was uh it was fancy, it was made out like stars and it had that um uh {NW} it looked shiny you know, like the uh sugar on top {X} that's in candy?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh-
176:  Well it was a sugar and sparkling you know and we thought it was just one #1 of the prettiest things that ever was #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
176:  {NW} we Santa Claus brought us some candy.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  You know.
Interviewer:  Well what else would you get for Christmas?
176:  Well she'd al- she always made our dolls and things you know, to play with
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and dress 'em and uh she just sewed sewed up {D: the pack} and put cotton in 'em.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um what about your brothers? What would they get?
176:  Well they uh had uh there there wasn't much for them to get.
Interviewer:  {NW}
176:  There's there was always something to wear or something you know
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  it was uh
Interviewer:  What kind of uh games did y'all play? {X}
176:  Well {NS} we played different things, just uh most of the time we had to work, didn't have time to play
Interviewer:  #1 Really? #
176:  #2 {NW} #
176:  we had to play, we had to work most of the {C: laughing} time, we didn't uh have many games to didn't have no nothing like you know we have today like children
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 have today. #
176:  No toys or nothing like that, we didn't have {D: only} what was homemade.
Interviewer:  Made things up? Just
176:  Yes.
Interviewer:  didn't you tell me the other day that {D: y'all'd uh} play post office?
176:  Yeah yeah in that old house and uh we'd you know write uh put things in there like we used coming to get our mail
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 and then # we'd have one in there that put the mail up and all that kind you know. We'd play post office and uh then we'd get up uh we'd make a playhouse and we'd use a uh old broken dishes and use broken things you know to to to put on the shelf
Interviewer:  #1 Uh- #
176:  #2 and #
Interviewer:  huh.
176:  {D: hadn't gotten any}
Interviewer:  Um what about you know where where would y'all have to go to buy your dishes or where where did {D: your} momma get her get her dishes?
176:  Savannah is where he where he got our first dishes.
Interviewer:  Now did she get those when she married? Or
176:  She must have got 'em right after she married on on their trips to Savannah.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. And her her um silverware? She
176:  Well she didn't have any silverware, she just had uh it was uh bone handles you know where there a knife I mean it was wood handles I mean, it was not bone handles,
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 it was # wood handles. And they were black, I can remember them well. And um and they were steel I reckon, uh maybe uh no it wasn't steel because they would rust.
Interviewer:  Huh.
176:  It wasn't
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 steel #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  and y'all would eat with 'em?
176:  Yeah. Yeah you had to you had to keep 'em well-buffed, you know to keep 'em from rusting
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 and keep # 'em dry.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Real dry. Keep 'em from rusting.
Interviewer:  Um what you you had all the different pieces that you needed and then you had the spoons and
176:  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, had
Interviewer:  {D: and all} Uh what about your glasses? {D: What'd you do}
176:  Well uh we had some glasses but we didn't use 'em all the time, you know, just used 'em mostly when company
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 came. #
Interviewer:  What would you drink out of
176:  more cups.
Interviewer:  Cups.
176:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  And uh {X} didn't you tell me
176:  They were tin cups.
Interviewer:  tin cup?
176:  tin cups Uh-huh. {NS}
Interviewer:  Uh do you say {X} do uh do where was purpose {D: did you ever call coo did you ever} Kay-
176:  Well I was I imagine I was about fifteen years-old before I I knew anything about tea
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Uh I had heard about it but I
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 hadn't ever seen any. #
Interviewer:  seen any, uh-huh.
176:  I I {D: I was} I was fifteen or maybe over that
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  before I {D: say}
Interviewer:  That's um hard to believe. I mean to uh you know we're so used to tea, right? And I've been you know had tea all my life
176:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  {D: Don't see the}
Interviewer:  People drink it so much now
176:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: don't they?} #
176:  {X} And cold drinks she never knew nothing
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 about # nothing like that.
Interviewer:  Oh I remember but uh where would you keep um or did your did your parents or your grandparents, where would where would uh did you keep the uh stuff now that we'd keep in the refrigerator? {X} Keep it cold, keep it from spoiling, put it
176:  Put it down in the well.
Interviewer:  Put it in the well?
176:  Put it in a jug and have a rope and tie it around the jug and make the jug down in the well to keep it cool.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And it'd be just as cool and
Interviewer:  {X} pull pull it back
176:  Pull it back up, uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Uh and that was just that'd been the same well that you had to drink the water?
176:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  But you didn't make the jug go down in the water.
Interviewer:  Just kept it down in
176:  Just lay it down so far and then tie it you know and that's
Interviewer:  To keep cool?
176:  It'd be cool, yeah real cool.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um now you said that you y'all really didn't go to very much but the church and
176:  And Sunday school.
Interviewer:  and Sunday school.
176:  Yeah my uh grandfather on my mother's side he never did learn to read or write
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and uh well she could, he learned to my grandmother had a pretty good education and she taught him how to write his name
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  but he had one of the best memories of anybody I've ever seen and he could remember my uh grandmother read read the Bible to him and he could remember.
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  And so um he had a good many grandchildren that lived in that community
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and uh so he organized a Sunday school so that his grandchildren could go to Sunday school and learn the Bible.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  And uh so we all went every Sunday
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  to this this school house.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh went to Sunday school and he taught us and he could tell you uh {X} he knew it just as good as if he could read
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  just by my grandmother reading it
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 to him. #
176:  And he told us then and I was just a child, I mean ten or twelve years-old and he told us there was music in the air.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And he gived the scripture on it and he said that um that the Bible said before the end of time that people would go from one country to the other. As the ants on the earth.
Interviewer:  Huh.
176:  And uh they would be fine.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  But it didn't dawn on me that we would have airplanes.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  But that's what it had referenced to, you know and it um that that he he c- he knew that
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. {NS}
176:  See he understood it but we were children and we didn't understand what he was meaning.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  But he said people would be going to and fro from other countries all over the world
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  uh before the end of time.
Interviewer:  {D: yeah} When was the first time that you ever saw an airplane?
176:  well I don't remember that now {NW}
Interviewer:  But it was out in
176:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 It's #
176:  been a long time uh you know
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 doesn't # seem like but uh it hasn't been too long either, has it? Since the Wright Brothers, you know
Interviewer:  {D: Right}
176:  first flew. Seemed like the best, I I don't remember now but uh at the time that Lindbergh uh flew the ocean
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  uh we were getting the be uh paper then
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  And we read about it
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {D: say} #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  But uh I don't remember now the first airplane that I ever saw.
Interviewer:  And what about a car? When was um you said you may talking about the horse-and-buggy
176:  Yeah. Well uh I think that the first car that I ever saw was Dr Hall after he c- came here and did
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {X} #
176:  Well he ha- he bought a car.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  And uh he had a driver, he couldn't drive it #1 so he #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
176:  {X} come and he would go into country then out to see people
Interviewer:  Uh-
176:  you know that was sick, that couldn't come in to the hospital. And uh that was the first car that I ever saw.
Interviewer:  Huh.
176:  Was Dr Jim Hall, he he bought the first car that I ever saw.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um {NS} {NS} uh what how did how many churches were the different denominations and of the church {X}
176:  #1 that was near me #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Uh-huh.
176:  Well there was a Methodist that was about uh three miles I guess, must have been about three miles, the Methodist church. And my grandmother u- sh- uh lived with us for a long time and she was Methodist.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Well that was on my father's side and on my mother's side uh my grandmother and grandfather were Baptist.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh {NW} so my uh mother and father and John they were Me- Baptist. And it was about five miles and we went in a two-horse wagon to church. And we had church once a month.
Interviewer:  Huh.
176:  Once a month.
Interviewer:  So'd you'd read the Bible in your home?
176:  Yeah. Yeah.
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  And grandpa taught us {NS} he we had Sunday school every Sunday and we went and uh and he {NS} just you know he we didn't have any literature but he just taught us those thing- you know he read the script- I
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 mean he #
176:  quote the scripture to us you know and tell us where it was at in the Bible and {D: for us} to take our Bibles and look it up you know and and uh he'd have us read in the scripture and all and uh he taught us.
Interviewer:  And uh uh the o- {X} he had a a preacher with a traveling preacher I mean
176:  #1 Well he came once a month. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  Yeah. Came once a month. {NS} Ah to preach. {NS}
Interviewer:  And he uh {D: they made} were there any uh different preachers that were there
176:  #1 No just #
Interviewer:  #2 different # churches #1 {X} #
176:  #2 Now there # was a primitive Baptist about a mile-and-a-half, a mile-and-a-half.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh we went there sometimes and we went uh with grandma up to the Methodist church
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 sometimes. #
176:  But they'd none had it only once a month.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  They didn't have services only once a month but they'd have
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 Saturday # Saturday night and Sunday. And
Interviewer:  What what about when uh someone died {D: how} {X}
176:  Well they had the they they had to build a casket {X} you see they had to make the caskets and and uh they uh uh carried the body to the casket to the cemetery with the
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 Wagon, you know? # And took it with a wagon. And they used {X} put wood you know and lumber and made the casket and most people that uh did that kind of work, they kept the lumber on hand. That was wide enough, the boards you know, they'd have it sawed and put up and save it. Have it up in a loft
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Uh-huh.} #
176:  #2 like? #
176:  And save it and then when somebody died, why they pu- built the casket. And they used cotton to line in there and they'd use some kind of cloth you know to for the lining
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  to cover the cotton up {X} and they'd tack it in there.
Interviewer:  {NS} and uh would a a preacher or someone come out to conduct the service?
176:  #1 Yes. #
Interviewer:  #2 Would you have #
176:  funeral services?
Interviewer:  yeah they'd have they'd have
176:  #1 services #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} uh-huh. #
176:  uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Um {NS} what about um any kind of {D: did the} would you have any kind of parties or anything at school with a big uh what kinda social events
176:  #1 Well they #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # {X}
176:  uh usually have uh at the end of school
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  they'd have uh uh uh you know they they'd have uh speeches I mean the children would have to say things, you know
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  different
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  uh things and they'd have what they call dialogs at that time. Uh one'd say you know have some part and another one another part and
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and it always {X} in the daytime, they didn't have it at night.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  And then once a year uh we always uh had a a picnic dow- down at the river.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  We'd go to the river and have lemonade and {NS} uh have a picnic.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Carry out a lunch and {D: it's put down} just a bunch everybody you know {X} you know it was just we would have them. Enjoy it
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {X} # fry or something like that, you know.
Interviewer:  Would it be something with school or was it just if you work at the
176:  No just the community.
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  Yeah just the Sometimes it they'd be better tha- in the school you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Instead of having a a program at the school that they'd just have a picnic
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 you know. #
Interviewer:  Um {NS} did where there uh did school have a bell or anything that the teacher'd ring to call you at school or did you just
176:  No we just went, they had a bell inside.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  That she that the teacher would ring when your time for you to come in
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  or time for you to go out. She would have to line up to go in and uh nobody rang, you had to just go and
Interviewer:  And {X}
176:  {D: straight on} Yeah.
Interviewer:  {NW} Oh goodness. Uh {NS} how would the uh talking about the river um how {X} did you ever get any fishing? Any
176:  No I never did do any fishing, my daddy used to uh to keep out baskets put out baskets to catch fish in?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And he did a lot of fishing and a lot of hunting.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  He he was great hunter and a fisher. And uh but um I never did.
Interviewer:  #1 What kind of #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  fish did he catch?
176:  Well he'd get uh catfish in the baskets.
Interviewer:  {NW}
176:  And then uh there's such seasons you know that you get those uh white shag and or other shag too. Um they call it shag season, it's in {X} ei- either it's in the Spring or in the Fall.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  I've already forgotten that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And um and there was carp. He'd get carp.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  Most people {D: with carp} And uh they come uh flood you know, water come out then they'd leave them in those uh shoes they called 'em then, but I call them lakes now. They call them lakes of water. And they'd come out of the river and get in them and them you could get 'em easily.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {NS}
176:  And uh he'd catch he he put baskets in the river to catch catfish.
Interviewer:  Uh what kind of hunting did he do? What
176:  #1 Well he just #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  squirrels and uh turkeys, wild turkeys there in the swamps.
Interviewer:  And y'all ate
176:  Yeah, yeah. And he had {D: pills} down in the swamp. {NS} uh in the what we call the swamp, you know it was uh down out from the river {NS} and he had {D: hills} there and he planted it in the corn and {D: uh chiffers.}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  We called 'em goobers or something now they but he called 'em {D: them days they called 'em chiffers.}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  {D: And they planted he plant chiffers and uh} peanuts.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And corn in those fields. Big fields and uh and the turkeys would come in there to to eat
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  {X} those peanuts and stuff you know {D: and I don't know} one morning he went, he'd get up early and go and before day and uh he had killed two big gobblers at one shot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  They what were standing here in this row, this here peanuts and uh they heard the noise, heard him and they looked up and when he shot and {D: ki- killed} gobblers with one shot.
Interviewer:  Huh.
176:  {NW} But he liked to le- he liked to hunt and he he uh would get up early and uh go and
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  kill squirrels.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 Something like that. #
Interviewer:  Um now the {NS} when did your father raised uh grew corn?
176:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I mean uh cotton.
176:  #1 Yeah, yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # cotton?
176:  Yeah he grew uh that was {D: long been} they didn't have this short cotton they call it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Not very much. They had the they used that uh long staple
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  uh cotton and it didn't open up until {D: fall something}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and it was hard to pick. But uh it was made of weak stock too and high you know.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And um He- {X} then later uh they quit growing that long staple. Uh and went to go in the short staple, short-cutting they call it
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
176:  #2 and #
Interviewer:  because of the grain
176:  Yeah, yeah.
Interviewer:  Um and who would do the picking?
176:  Well all of us.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  The whole family and everybody that course he had several um families that lived on the farm that farmed for him.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh they picked too.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Everybody worked
Interviewer:  Did he uh appraise down the houses
176:  #1 Yeah, yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # and they would do work
176:  They they wor- they worked on sh- uh uh hou- uh house.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  They got half of the what
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 the men #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {D: paid} #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Uh what about this is big uh tobacco area? When, were they farming tobacco
176:  #1 Oh no. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: then?} # #1 When #
176:  #2 No. #
Interviewer:  when did the tobacco
176:  Well it tobacco wasn't uh farmed in this county until uh let's see, it must have been long about nineteen-and-twenty-four.
Interviewer:  Really? It's that {D: long ago?}
176:  Yeah. Was very little bit grown I know before then, just maybe a just a little, if there was any grown before then.
Interviewer:  Up until then it was just cotton?
176:  Cotton and and uh corn and peanuts and stuff like that.
Interviewer:  And uh
176:  And they didn't, they didn't sell the peanuts, they just grew 'em for feed.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  And um the corn too, they didn't sell the corn. They just grew it for feed {NS} {NS}
Interviewer:  {D: Well} uh when tobacco came in it well did people start farming it instead of um cotton or
176:  #1 Yeah, yeah they #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  they grew they grew the cotton too and then and g- and g- started growing the tobacco and uh before they had the uh support {D: paths} onto the tobacco, everybody grew all they wanted #1 you know? #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
176:  And uh they just didn't get anything for it. And at that time they had to cook it with uh wood.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  They had to fire it you know? Keep the heat up in it to cook it. And uh so there was no {NS} uh no cookers, you know, no gas, nothing like that then to cook the tobacco. {NS} And we didn't get no price for it, ten and fifteen's the high was the high price, fifteen cents a pound
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  along there and they everybody was growing a lot you see.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Well there's they got the price control on that and uh you know and they haven't {D: allotted why} um the price
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 of it. #
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  Uh-huh. And then they got more uh export on it too you see {X} exporting tobacco.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um let's see, I wanted to ask you about some of the uh Easter and {NS} {D: you know because we've been talking about} Christmas time but if we're talking about holidays what, what kind of um would you have much festivity? Or
176:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # you have
176:  #1 no. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # and all that?
176:  No, no. We didn't have
Interviewer:  #1 Pick out a tree #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  at Christmas?
176:  No we didn't have a Chri- not not whenever I was growing up.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. {NS} Did you hang stockings?
176:  #1 Just hang the stockings #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  #1 {D: on the} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  {D: and then}
176:  mantel and then {NS}
Interviewer:  Cuz you were told that Santa Claus was {D: wasn't}
176:  Yeah yeah, we were told that Santa Claus brought the stuff.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  But it almost mostly stuff that we didn't {X} didn't even think about it being something that we'd already need, we'd had you know
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 it just # proud to get
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
176:  #2 anything # we got.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh would you have special church services at Christmas?
176:  No
Interviewer:  No
176:  #1 no not #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  no special church services. {C: mumbles}
Interviewer:  Well how how {NS} cold did it did it get? Did it usually get? Or is the same as it does now? About the weather here in the county um
176:  Well I think that we had colder winters back when I was a child, seemed to me like {D: well} in the in it just seems that way now, it might not've been. But um seems to me like we were had longer winters
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  than we have now, colder
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  It just seem that way.
Interviewer:  Would
176:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # where how would y'all make your coats?
176:  #1 Yeah, yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  my mother made the coats, uh-huh, made nice coats. You know we didn't know what it was to have a bought uh sweater
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 {X} # something like that, she always made our coats. Lined them with {D: outing}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  You know, so they'd be warm. {NS}
Interviewer:  And that's what your gowns would be? Would be
176:  out of
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 go- outing #
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  is that tha- that's like flannel? Or
176:  Yeah
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 that's flannel but they call it outing. #
Interviewer:  call it outing huh?
176:  Yeah. yeah, flannel again
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um {NS} and uh {D: your son was just named} well where there as many mosquitoes
176:  Oh no
Interviewer:  down here?
176:  No
Interviewer:  well wha- what {D: why do mosquitoes just kind of}
176:  I don't know, I don't we didn't mosquitoes then But we didn't have screens on the house. {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  Just fly and stuff?
176:  Well the flies came in but not so bad though, seemed like uh we'd have a momma'd make take a newspaper or some kind of paper and and uh cut it then sew it onto a stick
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and that's what she'd find uh flush them out of the house
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 with you # know. Fan 'em out.
Interviewer:  Fan 'em. Uh-huh. Um what about {X} the the cotton {D: was it} just all your crops? Your vegetables and everything, did you have problems with bugs or
176:  No
Interviewer:  {D: anything else}
176:  no.
Interviewer:  #1 get into 'em? #
176:  #2 no, didn't have #
176:  we didn't have all that then. We didn't have a lotta insects
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 {X} # everything. Didn't have the boll weevil in the cotton then. And uh of course then I don't know uh must've been about nineteen-twenty-five before the boll weevil got {X} here
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And they had a {D: pour the} dusting, you know?
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
176:  #2 Spray the # uh
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  but uh before that there was no insects at all.
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  {D: Next year and} {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um let's see talking about different {D: Crimnol is straight here the} {X} uh who do you know who who who the street's named after?
176:  Yeah, he was uh this street was named after uh Mr {B} lives here and he was our representative. Uh {X} the first, you know when the county was
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and uh that's why this street's named after
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 What about #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  some of the other streets names?
176:  #1 Well Henson street was named after #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  yeah the Hensons and
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. And #
176:  #2 That's #
Interviewer:  Weatherman?
176:  Weatherman, yes.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Um
176:  Well some of the older settlers.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. But the name of the street {X} {D: are known} closed to county. I wonder what prompted 'em to name Jeff Jeff Davis.
176:  Well uh Jefferson Davis was a Southern
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and I think that was one reason why
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
176:  #2 that they #
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 another # county hadn't been named after him I guess.
176:  No and they named
Interviewer:  Like long after the War
176:  No
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 no. #
176:  So he went uh {NS} named it Jeff Davis {NS}
Interviewer:  {X} Do uh do you remember hearing any tales about the the War?
176:  Well yeah I heard my great-grandfather, I remember him, he was uh ninety-nine I think or ninety-eight or ninety-nine when he died and he used to come and stay with us, that was my mother's grandfather.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And he was in the Confederate Army.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh so there one day they turned him loose to come home uh they had to walk back.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh so they were coming through Virginia
Interviewer:  Yeah.
176:  and uh there was a good many of the soldiers together.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  Uh the s- that was coming South and uh so they they were all just hungry, they didn't have anything to eat and hadn't had for several days and they were piling up logs to make 'em a fire to warm by to to lie down and rest and uh a coachwhip he said ran out from under one of these logs and he just grabbed him and threw him back in the fire and roasted him and ate him
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  {NW} And uh he said every time that he would uh attended the uh Confederate reunion or the soldiers you know?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. {NS}
176:  That they always recognized him as the snake eater.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
176:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {NW}
176:  The one that ate the snake.
Interviewer:  That what kind of a snake?
176:  Uh coachwhip.
Interviewer:  Now is that a
176:  No, it's not poison.
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  It's not poison.
Interviewer:  Okay.
176:  {D: Well it's not of us} uh he would laugh and tell about that
Interviewer:  #1 and uh #
176:  #2 Uh-huh. # {NS}
Interviewer:  Well now was he uh {D: afraid he was}
176:  #1 No he wasn't #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  afraid, no he he was
Interviewer:  #1 Would #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  that far?
176:  #1 up that #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  far yeah and they had let 'em come home
Interviewer:  Yeah
176:  you see
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 sent 'em loose # to come home. And they had to walk it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. All that way?
176:  I don't know how far or how long it took 'em to come home but
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  It took 'em a long time to walk back.
Interviewer:  It took a while {X} And was he uh from from Appling? Or
176:  #1 Yeah, yeah he was from #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  Appling County.
Interviewer:  And that's {D: you and your great-grandmother}
176:  Yeah, that was my great-grandfather. And my uh grandfather uh on my father's side was uh he had a grits mill and uh so they let him stay, they didn't uh send him to {X}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  uh because he had this grits mill and he could uh grind meal and grits for the women and children that were left
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 you know? # that their l- husbands had to go and uh so they left him here to look, to do that.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  To um so that he could make have so they could have food, you see?
Interviewer:  Yeah. {X} Uh would all the {X} were there any other men that would stay that didn't have to go out fighting? Uh
176:  Well now I I don't know
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 I guess I #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 I guess you'll never hear of them # {X} {D; telling about} you know, they he didn't have to go because he had this mill
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  and he he could grind the meal and all and help to look after, they left him so he could uh they would they wo- women and children would have food.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. I wonder if uh in {NS} {X} when Sherman came through Atlanta, I wonder if they uh got down this this far.
176:  No they didn't uh they didn't come to um where they where my grandfather was living, they didn't come but they did come over in {D: Calfair.}
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  They came back over in in that part you know {D: uh Calfair took it at Wheeler in in uh} {X} County and those counties were took off {D: for Calfair}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh they did come back far but they didn't {D: come along} across the
Interviewer:  {NW} {D: No}
176:  Yeah!
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
176:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  see they came to s- they came on through through Savannah
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah
176:  #1 Yeah they came through Savannah and #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # {D: Now for that thing} {D: the'd uh the biggest city are where y'all um}
176:  Well that was the closest
Interviewer:  #1 the clos- #
176:  #2 they # used to go to get
Interviewer:  #1 {D: did they} #
176:  #2 {X} # provisions yeah.
Interviewer:  So you know the a port?
176:  #1 Port, yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  I guess that um the boats would come in and all their stuff would be imported? Or
176:  Yeah
Interviewer:  It when when was the first time that you went to Savannah? {D: anytime?} you know whenever father would go, did you never went {X} had to {X} buy your shoes and everything.
176:  Yeah. Well he did uh when the first time he went?
Interviewer:  When was the first time you ever went to Savannah?
176:  Oh I didn't ever go.
Interviewer:  {X}
176:  I didn't go 'til after I was grown
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
176:  #2 {X} # 'til after I married, before I had went to Savannah.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  We didn't live #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Y'all # y'all all just
176:  #1 we just stayed #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
176:  stayed home, yeah.
Interviewer:  Um what would you do without the childhood {X}
176:  Well we just have 'em too much.
Interviewer:  Didn't have 'em?
176:  No
Interviewer:  {X} And you'd take care {D: of each other} {X}
176:  Well they we they finally got a {D: came a doctor to Dwell} which was eight miles from home.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
176:  And uh when I uh my