Interviewer: Okay, so this is the second side of tape number four and uh...let's see. When I last was with you Mr. {B} we uh were discussing I think oh yeah, we were talking about different kinds of owls Would you happen to know of any different names for the types of owls around here that you happen to know of 255: screech owl is one and um I've heard different names of owls and I I know a screech owl is one Interviewer: Well that's good, okay and uh, you happen to know the type of owl that hoots at night? and uh {NW} uh it's a 255: I would think that all owl owls hoot at night Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 255: I don't know why they shouldn't all hoot Interviewer: well, there's one that's uh 255: particularly hooting owl? Interviewer: Yeah 255: well I don't know {NS} Interviewer: okay oh wow we've already gone over that {NS} oh here on you're right, we just, we went over that, right we're at the point of where we're talking about uh just about getting to talking about the fish around here uh, I was wondering {NS} what kinds of uh uh what {NS} okay, here we go {NW} what are the uh...what different kinds of fish do you get around here? 255: Mullet is the most common fish that uh the is a staple food for our people uh, but there all kinds of fish, sheep head, sheep's head sheep's head uh, and then, uh bass. Red bass. of course these are salt water fish I'm talking about, not fresh water fish we have little fresh water over this area You go over to the SaintJohn's to get fresh water fish but in this area. the east of the county, sheep's head, uh red bass, choke {X} kind of choke and um, um all sorts of pan fish, uh yellow tail uh pig fish and uh croakers #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 do you happen to # 255: caught outside yeah and mackerel and uh sail fish I caught outside here talking swordfish mainly {NS} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. do you have to know of the uh any the Minorcan names for uh the fish around here they used to call? 255: no, i don't mullet was a sort of a main staple for Minorcans uh easily caught in {D: practical} numbers both in the Saint Johns River and in the Kansas river north of here Interviewer: Mm-hmm, and uh, how far do you say this is the Saint John's river I think that's fresh water isn't it how far is it from here? 255: it's uh, due west, uh say sixteen miles and it runs out county it's the western boundary of our county and {X} over county The Saint John's river is about thirty something miles long over our county side Interviewer: mm-hmm did you ever uh happen to know of any names for the {x} for the spotted black mullet that the Minorcans used to call them 255: spotted, black mullet Interviewer: #1 yeah # 255: #2 never heard of mullet stripped, spotted black mullet # you see there are mud suckers uh {x} the inside of them have uh dark lining of the stomach is all dark and uh, that doesn't bother ya, just scrape it out but there are mud suckers in this general area. Interviewer: Did you ever hear the term Joe wreath? 255: Joe what? Interviewer: Wreath. 255: how do you spell wreath? Interviewer: W-R-E-A-T-H. 255: never heard of it Interviewer: uh, what about uh the Minorcan term for lady fish called a {D: crowball} 255: there may be but I don't know anything about it Interviewer: uh-huh or did you happen to know the Minorcan name for the spotted fish the {D: bazuga} 255: no, never Interviewer: okay uh {NW} now there's one thing I've been wondering of what cloaks in the marshes this type of animal that cloaks in the marshes 255: well, frogs I'm sure, are, their in the marshes Interviewer: uh did you ever hear any of these uh make a noise around here at night 255: oh when it rains you can have uh not necessarily in the marshes but they're in the yard here all over the place frogs croaking incessantly Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh what do you call the uh little frogs that come in the spring you know that don't grow very much about over an inch or so 255: i don't know what you call them. i have no particular name for them Interviewer: what about the big large frogs 255: bull frogs is what you call larger I imagine Interviewer: and uh {NW} you ever hear of the term uh, spring frog or tree frog? 255: uh, yes I've heard of that. well I think the I think the spring frog is one of the the that's edible ate frog legs out here but you'll catch fresh water Interviewer: Alright, do you happen to know the type of frogs that um kind of it's brown and it lives in a garden usually and it gives warts 255: uh, well uh cuz I would call that a bull frog but it may not be but and I guess it gives warts I don't know what they do I never had any experience with that Interviewer: well it's primarily a dry land frog 255: I have hunted frogs uh, with a paddle and night with a light up in up in Michigan, Wolf Lake which is just outside of Detroit on summer i was up there for several weeks I went frog hunting two or three times and large frogs would jump a long ways Interviewer: mm-hmm uh that sounds interesting I've had no experience of that so um one thing I was wondering do you happen to know those things that you uh, that you dig for in a use when fishing 255: what? fishing {X} you can find them everywhere Interviewer: mm-hmm, you happen to know of any terms you'd call them? 255: no Interviewer: okay {NW} 255: I'm sure they have nicknames but I don't know them Interviewer: now you mentioned there was uh a turtle that went on land yesterday 255: yeah gopher Interviewer: right, and what about the type that you happen to know of any uh what you call the ones that go in the water? 255: uh, sea turtle is uh, what I would call them and uh they grow quite large and that's how they're different kinds cuz say they have alligator turtle that grows in freshwater ponds they have uh protruding tails six of oh six very inches uh and they, they're, they're almost like a snapping turtle, they'll bite you a gopher won't bother you at all has a very little tail that just sticks out a tail a little bit a sea turtle uh that's why I would think they're lazy turtle eggs and I've had, well I've gotten turtle eggs many times I've written on the back of those big turtles I've caught their eggs as I would let them down uh, they dig a hole and uh, I'd go up there and uh we'd rob the next egg she would lay and we lay three or four eggs at a time and we'd catch the eggs, and when they were finished, uh of course, uh, she would insist upon covering up the hole it was empty of eggs and patted the hole, good hole then you wouldn't have to go through the process before she'd start back through the water and then she would scour for the area for us to mislead somebody to finding the nest almost big as this room Interviewer: Amazing {NW} wow, uh, what about the kind of,uh thing you find in fresh water streams it's got claws and when you turn it over on awry it sometimes swims away backwards 255: swims away backwards crawfish? Interviewer: mm-hmm um 255: listen, look, Louisiana, I don't really have a, they eat crawfish a good deal and they they, seven to ten pounds here years ago and they're delicious fry, deep fry 'em Interviewer: Uh, the type of insect that flies around uh a light and tries to fly into it and when you grab it uh, powder comes off on your hands 255: moth? Interviewer: mm-hmm 255: yeah Interviewer: you happen to know of any other names for it? 255: no Interviewer: okay 255: moth Interviewer: what would be the plural of that? 255: moths, I imagine {NS} Interviewer: what did you say uh the plural of the 255: moths, I imagine {D: words} Interviewer: and uh, what flies around uh with a light in its tail at night 255: lighting bugs that's the common name for it Interviewer: uh and um long thin body insect with a very hard beak and two pairs of shiny wings and it hovers around damp places and eats it's own weight in mosquitoes 255: a mosquito hawk dragon fly Interviewer: what kinds of uh stinging insects do you know of? 255: well wasps and uh I've been stung by wasps, I've been stung by uh yellow jackets and I've been stung by bees Interviewer: what about uh 255: and I've um I haven't been stung by these I I would think that these little scorpions {x} I think they would bite you put paws in your chest Interviewer: what about uh the kind of insect that builds up paper nests you know the size of a football and trees sometimes you can find it in your ledge sometimes 255: been hanging from a tree or what? Interviewer: yeah, it's a, it's like a papery ne- uh, nest that they 255: it's a wasp? build nests like that and uh and uh particularly the see, what is another name wasp uh {X} he shot into a nest one time and they came after us, I mean they ran us down and stung the devil out of us it just where we were and herded us up and I don't know I don't know wha- what uh they don't call that wasp they call it something else, I can't think right now Interviewer: did you ever hear that kind called uh hornets? 255: hornets, yes it is Interviewer: is that what you were thinking about 255: yes, that's right, that'd be hornet's nest that'd be good Interviewer: mm-hmm do you happen to know the different uh kinds of wasps that you'd have 255: no, no, I wouldn't know much about that Interviewer: mm-hmm what about uh let's see, you were talking about yellow jackets uh do you happen to know the uh 255: there's a wasp that blows uh mug dauber, they call it mug dauber's lake that uh and they the house um or a particular forsaken house and um lilies {x} mug daubers i think we'd call 'em, nicknames for 'em. Interviewer: Did you uh I think uh I don't know if you mentioned this type of uh bug that flies around at night and it it bites you all the time and it sometimes carries Malaria 255: Mosquito? Interviewer: Right. and uh the small insect that uh that burrows in your skin and raises welts 255: uh jiggers uh red bugs Interviewer: mm-hmm what uh, what are the uh, what are those insects that are uh some of them are green and some of them are brown that hop along the grass in summertime 255: grasshopper? Interviewer: and the small uh fish, there's a, there's a small uh, very small type of fish that they use while times of freshwater fishing they use it for bait 255: well there's a meadow where there's a, there's another name frog, guppies uh and some other name for small fish, I don't know it Interviewer: what do you call those things that uh stretch across the corners of like your room if you haven't cleaned it and all or in a barn or something and it uh 255: spiderweb? Interviewer: is there any other names that you happen to know for it? 255: no Interviewer: okay and uh the part of the tree that's uh goes underneath the ground is called a 255: root? Interviewer: did you ever uh gather any special type of these uh things or ever go out #1 digging # 255: #2 you mean like for medicinal? # Interviewer: uh yes 255: uh oh not much but i have but just uh not seriously but I've been with people who would be digging medicinal roots which used to be quite a a man here did a lot of uh exporting of that he he had a random business he can call it randomly and it had all these old types of roots and he would have different oh he'd get a variety {x} different variety of medicinal roots and drove to our swamp here and uh he knew how to find 'em and dig 'em, and dry 'em and send 'em off {NS} Interviewer: did you happen to recall any of them? 255: no let's see no let's see I I should be able to think of some of 'em Sassafras is a root i think make tea out of, the old folks did stomach aches um there's many medicinal roots i can't {X} Interviewer: uh the kind of tree that you tap for syrup 255: well tap a maple tree we don't have those down here though Interviewer: what do you call the place where you uh where there's a lot of rock maples uh growing where uh you get the sugar from 255: oh {NW} {NS} I think I would remember {X} I spent a summer in Hyde Park, Vermont and I I learned quite a bit about maple trees and what they call uh it's a funny name very odd name uh a bunch of maple tree is close I can't think of it right now if you mention it I'd tell you Interviewer: I think you used uh, may've used the same sort of uh term when you talked about uh the uh oranges down here they grow in a 255: the grove? no they don't call maple grove Interviewer: well they call it uh 255: something else Interviewer: uh sugar orchard? 255: {NW} Interviewer: or a sugar bush or 255: sugar bush, sugar bush might be the name but they have uh course they have uh {X} a sugaring off party, I attended one of those one time with the governor of uh the governor of uh from march Sherman Adams he was uh President Eisenhower's {X} Friday he was he was governor of New Hampshire at that time and he was over to this party sugaring off party in Hyde Park, Vermont there was an American forestry meeting one of their national meetings and he was there for that purpose and uh {X} they had it with uh they had maple syrup frozen iced and you eat it with your hands and very good {X} that's uh, I guess maple syrup, frozen maple syrup is probably what it was Interviewer: um, I was wondering, you happen to know the type of tree with broad leaves uh which are, I don't know if you have them down here but they're shed um they shed all at one time and a bark that peals when there are little uh knobs or balls and with a tough wood used for chopping blocks. 255: no I Interviewer: there's a white, scaly bark on it 255: I mean, I've seen groves of those up in New England uh but uh, they uh {X} think of it later but they they use them for pulp or just wood stock they use them for pulp but Interviewer: mm-hmm 255: and um I can't think of them right now before the wood come off Interviewer: how long, I was wondering, how long have you been up in New England or did you go up there? {X} 255: well of course I visited {X} several times, but I spent the summer in Hyde Park uh at the Hyde Park, Vermont and uh. there's around the area they deal and then Canada and uh one thing I did, I followed uh they have uh a a custom up there of uh of uh {NW} sorry, country circuses like uh, can't think what they're called but {X} they'd go to Saint Johnsbury and Hyde Park in Burlington and uh uh {X} within a radius of thirty, forty miles and they'd have all sorts of things New England customs and food and things to sell very interesting, I enjoyed it horse racing particularly the {NW} sorry, uh, what do you call the racing the horse in the little wagon, little uh two-year-old {X} Interviewer: {NW} I heard I heard their horses were called trotters but I forgot 255: yes, uh, trot- that's right. trotters that's uh, trot- trot- trotting races they called it Interviewer: I was wondering uh did you ever happen to {x} about that tree you may have seen up there or is that never referred to as uh button wood ball wood 255: I've I've heard of people talking about button wood but I really I couldn't describe. I never saw them, but no Interviewer: #1 think # 255: #2 I just need # Interviewer: How about sycamore? 255: No, not sycamore here, no Interviewer: uh-huh okay, uh, I was wondering do you happen to know the different common kinds of trees in this community 255: this community? Interviewer: Yeah. 255: We have uh oak trees, live oaks and uh, and water oaks and we have uh of course several different kind of pines long leaf pines, short leaf pines, {D: celeste pine}, jack pine, sand pine and uh, the trees that have gum, sweet gum and eh red gum as opposed to red gum, the gums a good furniture stock and they made furniture out of that and there's some mahogany here small a cypress tree, many cypresses here um the um Interviewer: I was wondering, the kind of tree that uh George Washington was known to cut down you know that little #1 cherry tree # 255: #2 cherry tree # the wild cherry grows here yeah Interviewer: what what did you say that was? 255: wild cherry Interviewer: uh-huh and the kind of tree he cut down? 255: cherry tree Interviewer: you have one out back there? 255: uh, is one one's growing back there has sprung up a wild cherry and there's some all over here, they they don't make much of a tree though it makes uh a sort of a bush Interviewer: uh, the shrub whose leaves become very red in the fall and uh which is poison to some people do you happen to know that name? 255: oleanders oleanders are poison to some people but they don't they do not they have all sorts of colors blue and white and Interviewer: #1 red # 255: #2 red # Interviewer: guess one that say like it grows all in the road or by fences and uh like you know it in the fall the leaves turn real bright uh red uh 255: I don't know I you're talking about is uh grow in the woods there the uh, uh {D: words} oh dear, I can't think of the name {D: words} my tongue now {NW} they're pretty easy, turns red this fall they're bushes, they're not trees Interviewer: mm-hmm and there there are small clusters of berries 255: that's right, that's right can't think of the name Interviewer: mm-hmm, and uh, uh you ever heard of uh, the the Indians used to call them there's an Indian in there that called them uh poison uh 255: Poison ivy? #1 no, uh # Interviewer: #2 {D: words} # 255: Poison oak? Interviewer: mm, it starts with an S 255: sassafras no i don't know Interviewer: uh you ever hear of sumac 255: oh yeah that's what turns red that's that little bush that turns red, the sumac Interviewer: {NW} 255: but yeah, that's what it is. I couldn't think of it Interviewer: Any kinds of uh bushes that no, you you've already said that uh do you happen to know of the different kinds of sumac, you happen to know 255: No, I don't Interviewer: okay, uh {NS} 255: I've got some nice forestry books here that I've never looked at very much it tells all of that information {NW} Interviewer: yeah, and what about you mentioned something about uh the different kinds of uh uh well you mentioned something about poison ivy you happen to know any different kinds around here? 255: no, but there's uh uh poison ivy, I think it has five leaves just a little far to the I've never run into it myself I've avoided it but the people who've got been stung by poison ivy are nothing but sad Interviewer: do you happen to know any names of the local berries around here? 255: huckleberries? Interviewer: #1 any # 255: #2 that's a # nice blue berry uh the edible berries you mean? Interviewer: yes I don't know anything but the huckleberry edible berries uh uh how about some- sometimes 255: that's strawberries, that's a cultivated thing you speaking of wild things, aren't ya? Interviewer: uh, and cultivated too. 255: of course strawberries are cultivated extensively here huckleberries are not cultivated but they've {X} blueberries Interviewer: what about the kind of berries that have uh a rough surface on them and they're red some are red and some are black but they're usually uh red 255: you're speaking of grapes right? Interviewer: no, they they got a rough rough sort of bumpy surface on them and they're about that big and they grow a lot of times on uh i think they grow on a vine and uh some people 255: #1 call them # Interviewer: #2 you think they grow in this area? # 255: what makes you think they grow in this area? Interviewer: I don't know {NW} I was wondering uh 255: I can't I can't think of the name if it was mentioned I would Interviewer: Okay, uh, raspberries 255: we don't have any raspberries here that I know of Interviewer: alright okay uh now do you happen to know any uh the any type of um, berries that would uh grow in the woods that are not good to eat and if and if they uh could kill you, you would say there are 255: uh poisonous uh who said that uh you're not speaking of a chinaberry. that's a that's a sort of a tree and used to be all the chinaberry trees here but not many now, but there's some but uh there are berries in the woods that I'm sure the grow there's uh that are edible, but I don't know them Interviewer: um, I don't know if they have these down here or not I don't think so there's a tall bush uh with clusters of beautiful pink and white flowers on them and it blooms in the late spring 255: not oleanders Interviewer: I think these grow on the mountains 255: flowers you have Interviewer: #1 yes # 255: #2 there # Interviewer: there there are flowers they have 255: uh, laurel not laurel? Interviewer: uh-huh 255: they have bay trees who grow here in the in the uh swamps here great many of them, they have uh uh a white bloom and then of course they have the magnolia trees we have many magnolias they do a big tree and they're good wood, good good sill for timber {NS} Interviewer: now let's see, yeah, you were talking about uh, the magnolias, right 255: yeah, there are several different kinds of magnolias here Interviewer: and then there are uh then there's a type of uh a tall bush with {NS} {X} okay, now, uh, there's a type of bush that's uh with much bigger, larger uh, longer stems and these usually grow way up in the mountains too i think you mentioned it too you ever hear of the the you ever hear of Rhododendron 255: oh, yes rhododendron. They grow rhododendron down there oh boy, beautiful Interviewer: okay, now, if um a married woman doesn't want to make up her own mind she might say, well i must ask my or I must ask which is referring to 255: ask her husband? Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh, let's see i was wondering uh what are the different terms that you use to call uh your father when you were a little boy? 255: poppa i never called my father Dad I always called him poppa I notice my wife calls her father dad Daddy or dad Interviewer: what about uh 255: and my children call me poppa P-O-P-P-A my granchil- everybody calls me that, all my grandchildren call me poppa Interviewer: and I was wondering, what did you call your mother? 255: Uh, mama M-A-M-A Interviewer: and uh, what did your uh, what did the other boys usually call their parents? 255: my fa- my family? Interviewer: Yeah, in your family or other families 255: well, they uh, all my all my brothers called them the same thing I did and they uh uh all the old, mostly old times families called him poppa as I recall, all my old relatives {X} all those old-time folks always called their father poppa, mama, poppa and mama. Interviewer: Uh, and I was wondering, do you happen to know any uh affectionate terms that you might've called uh, your father's father 255: no, I called my father's father grandpa and my mother's father grandpa Interviewer: mm-hmm um, I was wondering, do you happen to uh have any special pet names uh for a child? like uh, you might say, you say he is uh a cute little 255: rascal? but uh I don't say that, let's see we no {X} I have no pet names for my children that I know of and uh Dora just just like in the show the other night of of uh {X} uh William Allen's {B} daughter Mary {B} {D: words} I saw it on television he called her uh a boy's name who father ought to know oh dear {D: words} Interviewer: uh, there are some things that are on wheels that you put a baby in and it'll lie down in there 255: a baby carriage is one name and they have other names for it we have one upstairs right now big and big, white Interviewer: what about the type is there any special type that had eight to ten inch wheels with a cowl or a hood 255: {X} the one we have upstairs has a hood over here {X} my wife calls it another name but I don't. I call it a baby carriage it's a little bit more than a baby carriage it's the name that she calls it denotes something more luxurious than a baby carriage Interviewer: a buggy? 255: no Interviewer: coach? 255: no Interviewer: okay, uh, a lot of times you'll uh you'll put the baby in the carriage and it go out and {NS} and let's say like when you're when you go out 255: strolling or taking a take a walk? Interviewer: mm-hmm right and uh, then if you, what do you do with it when you take it up like when you put the baby in and you go out and blank it or if you might say I'm going to uh light the baby or wet the baby uh 255: Give the baby an airing {NW} uh Interviewer: okay, that's good okay uh 255: go for a walk with the baby in the baby carriage no particular name Interviewer: how would you say your children range in age? 255: Patricia was born uh not quite two years after we were married. We were married in thirty-two uh she was born thirty-four and Dabney uh my his name from me. Junior. We called him Dabney. uh, his uh. He's uh not quite two years younger than Patricia Interviewer: and you would say Pa- Pat- Patricia is uh 255: Patricia right now is uh Interviewer: is the what if of the of your children 255: she's the daughter and the oldest child She's she's forty let's see, thirty-two Anissa's seventy-five, seventy-seven that's thirty-five years forty-five years Patricia's about forty-three years old an Dabney's about forty forty and {X} and then uh Teddy we lost a lot of babies in the beginning and Teddy came seven years later He's thirty-six now and then we had another baby that uh My wife was in an accident and when he when he was born, he only lived a couple days She she was injured and she injured the baby Interviewer: {X} 255: and that was uh three just three children of many Interviewer: mm-hmm I was wondering about uh uh Teddy uh out of all your children, Teddy is considered to be the what of all the children 255: the youngest Interviewer: and of {NW} 255: Charles is his name. Charles Edward Interviewer: and let's say uh of your children you have uh boys and 255: {NW} boys and girl Interviewer: #1 {X} # 255: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: okay and um {NW} when a woman is going to have a child you would say she is 255: pregnant? Interviewer: {NW} 255: her family {D:words} Interviewer: Do you happen to know of any other terms that you would use for that? 255: um, woah there are a lot of semi-vulgar terms that I hear people talk about but I wouldn't use {X} I've heard all sorts of expressive terms Interviewer: you wouldn't say anything like she got herself uh 255: no Interviewer: okay um and if you don't have a doctor deliver a baby the woman that you might send for is called a 255: midwife? Interviewer: any other names? 255: {X} I don't know Interviewer: any older names that that people older than you would use? 255: um, no. Cuz mammy is a different category a midwife is I think I I don't know of any other names besides midwife or Interviewer: and if a boy ah and if a boy and his father have the the same appearance you would say the boy what 255: resembles his father? Interviewer: mm-hmm are there any uh set uh for instance are there are there any Minorcan terms for that 255: I don't know of any. There may be but I don't know of any Interviewer: do you ever hear of uh peentat 255: who? Interviewer: peentat 255: no Interviewer: okay 255: {D: teentot?} Interviewer: uh P-E-E-N-T-A-T. Peentat. 255: no I've never heard of that {X} Interviewer: uh if a mother has looked uh uh has looked after three children until they grow up, you would say that she has what the three children? 255: raised raised the children Interviewer: to a naughty child you would say, you're going to get a 255: spanking? licking? spanking I would use, my wife would use Interviewer: uh anything you would say in particular to a small child? 255: all I would say is I used to say all the time. if you don't {X} Imma take you out to the woodshed that was an expression used a good deal take you out to the woodshed not too long, take them out and give them a whoop a licking out in the woodshed Interviewer: mm-hmm 255: and my my grandchildren, I tell them that and they just laugh at me when when you gonna take us to the woodshed {X} when we gonna go? Interviewer: {NW} uh, I wondering uh, let's say it uh for instance there was a boy by the name of Bob. He's five inches taller this year. Then you would say Bob has what a lot in one year 255: grown? Interviewer: and you would say to to him, you certainly have what big you certainly have 255: grown? Interviewer: mm-hmm, right. 255: you certainly have grown this past year Interviewer: or you might say my how you've 255: my how you have grown you just just still say that Interviewer: and then you would also say that Bob came up so fast that you almost see him 255: uh-huh the boy came up so fast you said? Interviewer: yeah came up so fast that you could almost see him 255: I don't know what other growing is used see him see him growing Interviewer: mm-hmm okay uh a child that's born to an unmarried woman is called a 255: an illegitimate child or some uh common expression be called a bastard Interviewer: any jesting names about that 255: beg your pardon? Interviewer: any jesting names? 255: what do you mean jesting names? Interviewer: uh, you know things that names that you might used uh joking about it 255: oh Interviewer: any names you heard by other groups they call that let's say like the blacks they might have a name for it 255: you know what I've heard different times people uh but I wouldn't I wouldn't appreciate that and I wouldn't like to hear any of those uh. I certainly don't have any in my memory or {X} {NS} Interviewer: okay, uh. now as we were talking um the next one um, Jane is a loving child, but Peggy is a lot 255: troubled Interviewer: or if if she's even better than Peggy you would say Peg- uh Jane is a loving child but Peggy is a lot using the same word uh like if you would say let's say Peggy's a lot better than Jane, you would say Peggy, Jane is a loving child but Peggy is just a lot 255: worst uh or just uh uh is is is is a problem child is what i would use for that Interviewer: #1 yeah # 255: #2 category # Interviewer: or if Peggy is a good child and really a nice child and let's say that Peggy's better than Jane and you would say Jane is a loving child, but Peggy is a lot 255: better? Interviewer: mm-hmm 255: yes Interviewer: or 255: a lot worst i see what you mean now Interviewer: yeah and using the word in the uh using the word of forming the word love you would say Peggy is a lot 255: well Peggy is a bad child you were speaking of #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 no, is a good child # Peggy is a good child and you just used the for 255: oh Interviewer: forming the word 255: #1 Peggy is # Interviewer: #2 love # 255: is uh a loving child or Interviewer: a lot 255: better? uh I don't {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 okay # on the next your brother's son is called your 255: my bro- my brother's #1 son # Interviewer: #2 son # 255: is called my nephew Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh a child that's lost it's father and mother is called a 255: orphan? Interviewer: a person well you know a lot of times when you when you take a child to a christening and the person that holds the child you know when you go up with the priest #1 and # 255: #2 yeah # Interviewer: the person that holds the child and that is supposedly responsible for the child what is that #1 person called # 255: #2 the the godfather # Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh then if the uh the pers- if let's say if the person is uh in a if the parent's have died and he's taken them over and he'd be considered his legal 255: {X} Interviewer: or like the person who takes care of the orphan would be considered his legal 255: guardian Interviewer: and a woman who uh let's see where {NW} let's say uh you happen to mention talking about your relatives a while back, do you happen to know of any other terms that you would call your relatives 255: jokingly i call my country cousins those that are out in the country and uh uh the uh well we use the term oh he's a distant relative or he's a near relative Interviewer: okay and then uh if I say you let's say if there's uh another Palasear that moved from California and you never knew him you know and you know that he is uh that he-that let's say uh someone may come up to you and say that you have the same family name uh and but he but the person doesn't look a bit like you you would say, I'm actually 255: anybody with a Palasear name I always claim them as a relative at first it's the safest thing for me they did around here Interviewer: #1 okay well # 255: #2 to be # {X] related to them just about Interviewer: #1 but let's say if if he really wasn't # 255: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 and if the person had that # 255: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: if the person had changed his name over during his lifetime and you you'd say, well uh uh then you would say well and you know that that person isn't and you'd say I'm actually 255: uh because I haven't changed my name I wouldn't be saying, I'm actually uh not a Palasear is that what you #1 trying to know to know # Interviewer: #2 no or the person or the person you know # that you would say well he's actually 255: I don't know what I'd #1 say # Interviewer: #2 the person said you know # you're of the same family and you know he isn't and then you would say, no he's actually 255: I don't I have no I have no statement I would make to that. I don't know what you want me to say Interviewer: mm-hmm um 255: there's a lady in in Elmira, Ohio who wrote me has the same name as my mother Josephine {B} Interviewer: mm-hmm 255: and uh we corresponded a little bit. I know what she wanted. She wanted some information. I gave it to her she said she'd been over here uh her father, he comes from Spain and uh and that's not unusual because there's while there are most of the {B} in Minorca there are a lot of {B} in Barcelona's Interviewer: mm-hmm 255: uh and Catalonia in particular and Barcelona many {B} dozens of them spelled the same exactly Interviewer: let's say if they uh that those people didn't spell it the same as you do #1 what would you call it # 255: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: if they didn't spell it but it sounded the same what would you say? 255: I don't know what uh that is true. I know some people who spell their name differently Interviewer: and if let's say if they aren't #1 what would you say? # 255: #2 I don- I have nothing to say about them # I don't uh no point in my #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 would they be would they be # of uh a part of your family? 255: no I wouldn't think so unless they were Interviewer: then you'd say they would be 255: a relative, is that what you're trying to get? Interviewer: or if they aren't? 255: they're not a relative is that what you're speaking trying to seek or they're not related, we're not related I see Interviewer: mm-hmm and then you would say, I'm actually no okay uh and then if someone comes from out of town and no one has ever seen him before you would call him a 255: stranger? Interviewer: and it would make and it would make uh. Would it make any difference uh from how far he came? or if he was 255: well jokingly there there's a subject of conversation if people come from uh Georgia or Alabama you can almost tell by their their talk and you might see a strip {NW} he's probably a Yankee that's what we'd say to him meaning coming from New England or north of the Mason Dixon line Interviewer: that's funny uh what what would you call a person from another country? 255: foreigner? Interviewer: mm-hmm uh would you use the word foreigner in uh is relating someone uh who's not from another country? 255: no, you wouldn't say that {X} Interviewer: uh, George Washington's wife's name is 255: Ann Rutledge? Interviewer: mm Georgia Washington's wife? 255: Martha Washington Interviewer: mm-hmm 255: Martha Rutledge was the uh Lincoln's uh was Lincoln's wife I think Interviewer: mm-hmm a nickname for uh Helen would be