289: {X} But- His house is two blocks from a um big food basket grocery store, and their food there is downright cheap, it's ridiculous. Interviewer: Huh. In San Diego? 289: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well uh I've noticed that the further of course the further south you got one railroad, or a truck truck lines and shipping lines that come down, well you know. 289: Well each of the big grocery stores have their own trucks, but it seems like they ought to um, like Here's your main warehouse, okay? And there may may be a bunch of stores only three or four miles away, alright they're saving on their shipments. So that will help pay for the other shipments that have to a go a little bit further. But we have a big mark up in the price because of it a gallon of milk is a dollar ninety-five a gallon here. And one of the girls here just went to I think it was Pittsburgh. Seventy cents cheaper in Pittsburgh, per a gallon of milk. Interviewer: Hmm. {NS} 289: So why should I mean it's not Interviewer: Seventy cents? 289: #1 Seventy cents cheaper. # Interviewer: #2 Well everything has to be brought in so far here I guess. # 289: Well let's put it this way, they got uh Winn Dixie or and Grant's and um, what Key Largo. Marathon. A few more miles, Key West. Interviewer: Yeah. 289: And they only come down here about once a week or once every two weeks, so. Interviewer: Huh. The uh- 289: We always getting {D: rooked?} Interviewer: Yeah. Well you know they they can always say, "Well it's such a hassle." {NW} 289: Yeah. Interviewer: How about- Um, what now what do you call that, you know like milk and cheese and stuff like 289: Dairy products. Interviewer: Yeah, was there ever any uh, of that around uh. 289: We used to have our own dairy in Key West years and years ago. Interviewer: Was it uh did they have very many uh animals? {NS} 289: I couldn't tell you because I mean more or less they had enough to take care of the Key West area. But um. I remember seeing the um Adams dairy. Used to have, I remember me and people {X} And I can barely remember seeing, you know one of their milk bottles. {NS} Interviewer: Okay, uh. {X} When I keep flipping back and forth don't worry about it, I'm just marking the ones that I- I know that I- I'm catching all that you're doing so I don't have to re-ask, hopefully I won't have to re-ask. The uh- what do you call a um- A lady, who uh, works uh, in the movies. 289: What usherette? Interviewer: No, who- I mean who performs, who's uh, on- on stage. 289: What kind of work is she supposed to be doing? Interviewer: What is she? 289: Well if it's a burlesque theater, what she could be a, stripper? Interviewer: Well let's say she does legitimate theater. 289: Performer? Actress, comedian. Interviewer: Okay. And- I know it sounds strange, how about uh- 289: I was wondering what kind of theater you meant. Interviewer: Oh no not a Burlesque. How about um. Uh. The person who works for a businessman and takes personal correspondence. 289: Secretary. Interviewer: And uh. Uh a person who goes to a university to study is a what? 289: A college student Interviewer: Okay. And uh- uh- uh, now you have a this is {D: a kinda} in court, uh you have- this is where the court is right? 289: Not in this building. Interviewer: I mean- 289: We have a county courthouse. Interviewer: This is the- this is the town where it's at. 289: Yeah, county seat? Interviewer: Right. How about um. The uh, uh. Who's the, is- who's the main- The guy that presides over the court, who's the guy here? What's his name? 289: He's the judge. I don't know. I think this is Judge uh, Lester. He's county. Judge Pappy. He's county. {NS} There's others but I don't know. Let's put it this way, if I'm not in trouble with the law {NW} forget it. I may I know lawyers and I know some the policemen, sh sheriff. And the sheriff, I know the police captain. And there's some doctors and dentists. You know. But unless I have to know a judge. Forget it {NS} Interviewer: How about, um- um. {NS} A girl's beginning with S, Sally is the nickname, what would you call her? Do you know what that name would be? 289: Sally, an S? {C: Whispered} {NS} #1 No, sorry I don't. # Interviewer: #2 There's a brand name in the store uh, of cakes. # The last part's "Lee." 289: Sara Lee. Interviewer: Okay. And um. If um. The uh. If your father had a brother by the name of William. What would you call him? 289: Uh, that's my father's name, William. Okay it'd be Will, Bill, Billy. Interviewer: Okay but if was your father's brother he'd be your what? 289: My Uncle. Uncle Billy, Uncle Will, Uncle Bill. Interviewer: #1 Okay what if his name was Jonathan? # 289: #2 William. # Interviewer: It'd be what? 289: Uncle John? John Johnny? {NS} Interviewer: Okay. 289: Jonathan? Interviewer: Alright. How about uh, the commander of- uh- of the South during- during the war. 289: Robert E Lee? If he was it, I don't know. Robert E Lee I guess. Interviewer: But he was uh what? His rank. {NS} #1 They call him? # 289: #2 Ker- # Colonel? Robert E Lee general? General? Interviewer: So alright he was a General, he was- so he'd be called what? General- 289: General Robert E Lee, General Lee. Interviewer: Okay. And um. {NS} 289: I know what you was after then. Interviewer: {NW} So wait uh- Now, um. We mentioned earlier right before the tape went out, about the uh, the different names for farm people and um- blacks and whites. How about uh, is there any name that you know of for a racially mixed, uh, either white, black, or Spanish- 289: Mulatto. Interviewer: Okay, any uh. Uh now like, you know. {X} Like, back say like one grandparent, one great grandparent, does it change as the older the generation gets or? 289: No, just mulatto to me. It's always been mulatto. Interviewer: Alright. And um. 289: Uh what do you call them, mixed breeds? Half breeds? Interviewer: Okay. How about uh- in the south particularly, or even here, white people who are not real well- who are very uh- who are not well off at all, I mean just. 289: They're poor. Interviewer: Alright. Any terms for those? 289: Um, the poor. {NS} Interviewer: People uh, a lot of times people in the country you know, just just just scrubbing by 289: #1 Yeah I can't think of what you mean. # Interviewer: #2 Scrubbing a living. Like a Georgian. # 289: {NS} I can't think of anything. Interviewer: Okay, you ever hear one uh. Um. Ever hear the term "Cracker?" 289: Georgia cracker. Interviewer: Yeah. Does that- is that- 289: That's just to me that's just a person that's uh born in Georgia. No. That's Georgia peach. Interviewer: {NW} 289: And they call them crackers I know, "Georgia crackers." Interviewer: But that just has to do with where they're born. 289: Yeah just in the fa- the fact that they was born in the state that state. I guess they have a nick name for Alabama but I can't think of it. Interviewer: How about in Florida? Is there any nickname for? 289: Uh. They call them Floridians, Miami what do they call them? See they got different schools have their own um things so, there's the Bulldogs, there's the Vikings. Mi- Miami's, {X} no. Miami. Miamians? Miamians I guess. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh, do you know what a black person might call a poor white man? 289: White trash. {NW} I guess that that's what they'd call. Interviewer: Okay. Alright. Uh, if it's not quite midnight and somebody asked you, what time is it say it's about ten minutes till or something, you knew it was on, you know, knew it was there. And um, uh, but you didn't know exactly, you might say uh. 289: Say it's close to twelve. Interviewer: Okay. 289: Almost midnight. Interviewer: Okay. And uh, if you slip and catch yourself, um um you might say this is a dangerous place, I blank fell. {NS} {X} 289: Slipped and fell? Interviewer: If y- if you caught yourself, you know, you say. 289: Almost fell. Interviewer: Okay. And if uh- if somebody's waiting for you to get ready so's you can go out, uh they might call to you and say uh, "Hey will you be ready soon," you might answer, "I'll be with you in-" 289: A minute. Interviewer: Okay, did you ever put anything in front of "a minute?" 289: No because I'm never late, I'm always on time. Interviewer: Okay, would you ever say I'll be with you in j- in- 289: Just a moment or a few moments few minutes. Interviewer: Okay, if uh, let's say that you're going down to uh, oh, Daytona or some place up the coast, A one A area you knew that you were on the right road. 289: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay, but you weren't sure the distance, you might ask somebody how- 289: How far it was. Interviewer: Okay. And uh- Um. If you want to know how many times in reference to how many times, okay? You might say, "How blank do you go to town?" 289: How often. Interviewer: Okay. And uh, if you agree with- if- now you're agreeing with a friend. 289: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: When he says, "I'm not going to do that," Okay? And uh, uh, you'll say- Uh. "Blank am I." 289: Neither am I. Interviewer: Okay. And- and this part- this part of my body is what. 289: What? Your forehead. Interviewer: Alright. I think we got some of these. And this is um. 289: Your hair. Interviewer: And if I had it on my face? 289: Your beard. Or your whiskers, your ears. Interviewer: Alright and then this side? On this side of my body, this would be my? 289: Your ear. Interviewer: Yeah but in reference to the side. 289: Your right ear, left ear Interviewer: Okay. And uh this area here? 289: Mouth. Interviewer: And this. 289: Neck. Interviewer: And this area here? 289: Throat. Interviewer: Now did they ever call that anything- you know like they ever talk about- um- put that down your- 289: I think you can call it your gullet. Put I'm going to shove it down your throat. Interviewer: Yeah. Um. How about um, one of these? 289: Your teeth. Or your tooth. Interviewer: Okay and what they sit in? 289: Mouth. Interviewer: This here. 289: Gum {NW}. Interviewer: To no end {NW} 289: Yes, how many cavities do I have? I don't have any. Interviewer: {NW} How about uh, this area right here? 289: Your palm. Interviewer: Okay and this? 289: Knuckles, fist. Interviewer: Alright, and two of them? 289: Fists Interviewer: Okay. And uh your elbow has a- 289: Joint. Interviewer: Okay. And this area right here? 289: Chest. Interviewer: Okay on a female it'd be called a- 289: Breast. Interviewer: Okay, and this is a- 289: Shoulder. Interviewer: And two of them? 289: Shoulders. Interviewer: Okay and this is a- 289: Fingers. Interviewer: Alright but the whole thing? 289: Your hand. Interviewer: Okay and two of them? 289: Your hands. Interviewer: Alright. 289: Okay, it's your feet Interviewer: Well, what about this thing here? 289: Your leg Interviewer: Alright, and, one- feet is a- 289: Foot. Interviewer: Okay. Um. How about uh- the part right here, in- {NS} 289: What, your calf? Interviewer: You say you get kicked in the- 289: Shins. Interviewer: Okay. Um. If um. How about the back part of your thigh you know you might say um. You know like someone- I'm gonna give you an example say you want to talk to about, because this is a hard thing to describe. This back part right here is what I'm talking about, and you talk about doing this they- {NW} {NW} {X} 289: You're squatting. Interviewer: Alright but uh, you ever hear them talk about uh, like a guy getting down behind your head you'd say he's doing what? He had to- {NS} 289: Stoop? Bend? Interviewer: He had to get down on his- 289: Haunches. Interviewer: Okay. You ever heard the term um- um- "Hunker down?" or. 289: #1 I don't think- I don't think so. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Okay, um. {NS} The uh. {NS} Alright. If somebody's been sick um for a while and he's up and about now, okay he's okay now, but he still looks kind of- 289: Down in the dumps. Interviewer: Alright, would you say, um- 289: He looks peaked. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh. A person that could lift heavy weights you'd say is- 289: What, muscular? Interviewer: Alright. 289: {X} no. Strength, Interviewer: Yeah if he's- if he's got strength you'd say he's- He's very- 289: Very muscular. He's got plenty of {D: Oomph Power} Interviewer: Okay, he's big and- 289: Strong. Interviewer: Okay, and- and how about a person who is very easy to get along with, you say he's- 289: Easy-going. Interviewer: #1 Okay, how about uh- # 289: #2 Agreeable. # Interviewer: Okay. Um. Some person who always has a smile on his face and never loses his temper, you'd say he's mighty- 289: Happy? No. Interviewer: #1 Let's say- alright- {X} # 289: #2 Easy going. # Interviewer: Okay, how about- how about uh, you might say the same thing about a horse you know, a horse that has a- {NS} 289: Horse {C: Whispered} {NS} Interviewer: He's very good- 289: Natured mannered natured {X} {NS} Interviewer: Um. Uh when a boy is in his teens, I don't know if you were around when your brother was in his teens- 289: Yeah. Interviewer: And he's apt to be all arms and legs, you know they go with that- 289: Clumsy. Interviewer: Right, so you um- at that age he's awfully uh- 289: Clumsy. Interviewer: And, how about a person who keeps doing things that just doesn't make any sense, you might uh, say that he's just a plain- {NS} 289: Keeps doing things that don't make any sense- Interviewer: That makes absolutely no sense at all, you know like- 289: Stupid. Interviewer: Right, and then, how about, someone- you know you know in talking to him you say he is just a plain- 289: Dud? Interviewer: Alright, anything else you might say? 289: Nut? Weird ball, weirdo. Interviewer: Alright, would you ever use the word fool? 289: He's a- well you might say he's a complete ass down this way. Interviewer: Yeah. The word fool, does that- is that uh- relegated to any sex, like if you say- would you say fool about a woman or a man or- 289: Let's put it this way, in talking I don't think you would call, a person that's your friend a fool, might say he did something stupid. Now maybe someone that you don't know you see them doing something foolish and say, "Well he's a fool." Or if you get really mad at someone aggravated you know. And I think if it's a real close associate, you know associated person that you would call a I more or less call somebody on stupid on, T.V. a fool, when you know he does something foolish. Interviewer: Right, okay. How about- how about a person who never spends a cent. 289: He's a tight-wad. Interviewer: Okay. And uh- #1 Uh. # 289: #2 Miser. # Interviewer: Alright, how about um. 289: Scrooge. Interviewer: Yeah, okay. How about uh- How about- {NW} have you- di- now the word "common." Okay. 289: Common. Interviewer: Yeah. Does that- if someone were to come up and say, "you're common," would that be an insult? {NS} 289: I would think it would be all according to where I was and what I was doing. Interviewer: Alright, what now what- 289: I was common in {D: Lawrence???} I'd be like all the other people around me. Interviewer: Okay. 289: You know. And if I don't think if I think they were right then it wouldn't be an insult, but if I think you know, but certain let's put it this way, a few people come in here and they had say I was common like that person I would take it as an insult. Interviewer: Then if you were to hear somebody say, "That girl is very common." #1 Would that mean anything? # 289: #2 Well it's- # Well it's like um {NS} There's so many other people around her that they see that's just like her. {NS} Well you think a like a common person in Key West, a common Key West is supposed to be easy going, friendly. You know, they'll help you out if they can, you know once they get to know you. So that's more or less common commonly expected of a Key Wester. Interviewer: Okay, the- a common person is just- like you say I'm a common man- 289: Yeah. Interviewer: There's nothing- 289: No of course com- well let's put it this way, if a person comes out like that, and then they throw in, "well, yeah compared to Burt Reynolds he's common," you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 289: Yeah. {NS} I can think of other men that's better looking. Interviewer: See uh. And- I'm going to have to back up here a little bit. What uh- the the uh- the thing up there in the uh- um. {NS} Um, trying to {D: skip around a little bit}. {NW} {NS} {NS} {X} How about now, uh if you- if your dishes are all dirty, you say you have to uh, do what to them? 289: Wash them. Interviewer: Okay. And uh what do you call a cloth that looks something like that that you might wash them with? 289: Wash cloth. Interviewer: #1 Okay you ever call them- # 289: #2 Dish cloth. # Interviewer: Okay. Uh, and when they're all soapy- 289: Sudsy, full of suds. Interviewer: Yeah and you put them under the water to- 289: Rinse them Interviewer: Okay. And you say- and you're talking about uh- the young lady, does what with the dishes? You know, in the act of rinsing, you'd say she's- 289: She's rinsing them off. Interviewer: Okay. Uh, how about uh one of these things for drying, what would you call that? 289: Dish cloth. Towel, hand t- uh dish towel. Interviewer: Okay. And how about one of things just like this you use for your face? 289: Wash cloth. Interviewer: Okay. And uh, one of those that you use to dry yourself 289: Bath towel. Interviewer: Okay. And what's the thing that the water comes out of uh 289: Faucet. Interviewer: In the kitchen, how- if it's outside is it the same? 289: People can either call it a faucet or a spi- spicket. {NS} Interviewer: Spicket? 289: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Does the spicket- can you have a spicket inside? 289: No, I don't think people do it, they call it inside um a spicket, it's generally outside. When they'd say I'm going up to the spi- spigot, you know they out there working get a drink of water. Interviewer: Oh okay. If uh- {X} if you had a lot of back pressure in a pipe and all the sudden it, shot through and it was too much for the pipe, it went like that you'd say the pipe- 289: It never happens here, what exploded? Um. {NS} It's going to flood the kitchen if it don't- Interviewer: {NW} How- well you know like the line that runs from here to Miami, uh. 289: It um it bust burst. Interviewer: Okay. Um. {NS} How about uh, years ago, those big wooden containers- 289: Barrels. Interviewer: Okay. They still have those around? 289: I'm sure they got them. Interviewer: #1 Just curious. # 289: #2 Somewhere. # Interviewer: Do- do you still have a regular shipping trade that delivers things here by boat? 289: Yeah. They they shipping stuff here. Lot of times from uh the Yucatan Peninsula uh, someone will have a big cargo ship, you know a big uh, freight ship come in. Unload. Uh- I think last year they did a lot of {X} of all things cucumbers. Interviewer: Alright. {NW} 289: Cucumber. Interviewer: {X} 289: And uh, they bring in plantains and all plantains, as far as I know of are not grown in uh, Florida. Not in the United States. Interviewer: What are they? 289: Plantains. They're like a banana, but they're bigger and you have to fry them, you know. Interviewer: Oh, I've never seen any. 289: Oh they're good, go to a Cuban restaurant and tell them you want a order of fried plantains. Interviewer: Okay, {X}. Uh, finding out more about this town everyday {NW}. Hopefully. What- now what do you uh- uh- what- if you had a bottle, like a soda bottle and you want to put something in it, more water say if you were ironing and you need some- some- 289: You wanted to sprinkle it? Interviewer: But uh you wouldn't just- Pour a glass into it you might have to use a- 289: Funnel. Interviewer: Okay, and uh. How about uh- do you know what they used to- years ago, uh large quantities of molasses used to come in? Or lard? 289: Um didn't they come in kegs? Interviewer: #1 They might have. {NW} # 289: #2 I don't know, you're going back too far. # Interviewer: Oh okay. Alright well have you ever seen a keg? 289: Uh-huh, I've seen kegs. Interviewer: Okay. How about, those- what do you call those metal bands that hold like, they go around- 289: Just the band, I don't know what they call them other than that. Interviewer: Okay. #1 How about if you- # 289: #2 Oh what do they call it # Ribbon? {NS} Yeah, I think yeah. I think they call it ribbon. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh uh. A few years ago they used to have hula 289: Hula hoops. Interviewer: Okay. And uh, um. What- when you carry washing on- to hang on a line what do you carry it out in? Or what would you call it? 289: I carry them car- I carry them over my shoulder because that's where I'm putting it, but they take it uh wash baskets, um. {NS} Hamper. Interviewer: Oh- what's the difference between a basket and a hamper? 289: I think a hamper is got a lid on it and the basket just doesn't. Interviewer: Does- now does a hamper look like a basket? 289: A hamper is no. It's um, about this tall most of the time, and it's round or even one side out with a lid on top of it, with some air vents in it. Interviewer: Is it like, tapered? 289: Yeah no not necessarily. {NS} Different companies make them different ways. Interviewer: Oh okay this- you're talking about a commercially made one. 289: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Um. I was just curious but you know- 289: Most people in the old days I think just uh, had a big basket or a tub that they would throw them in or just sit them on the floor until they got to load. Interviewer: Okay. Alright uh, years ago when they had buggies and things, do you know what they called- 289: Whip. Interviewer: Okay. And when you buy store- uh, things at the store nowadays uh, what do you uh, what do they put it in? 289: Paper bag, basket, bag. Interviewer: Alright now, um, you know those potatoes sometimes come in fifteen-hundred pound- 289: Sacks. Interviewer: Yeah, do you know what those sacks are made out of? 289: Burlap, some of them are. Interviewer: Alright, anything else? 289: It's made of out uh Corded stuff, things, but I don't know what you call it. Interviewer: Yeah, like fertilizer sometimes is is shipped in the same kind of a bag. {NS} 289: No sack burlap. Interviewer: How about, if you had say a hundred pounds of sugar that come in a what? A real b- you know, a real big- off a ship. {NS} 289: They don't they do that in big bags? Interviewer: Okay, I just wanted to see- have you ever heard of the term like poke? 289: Yeah but I don't have {D: she's not using that much stuff} might hear about poke you have a pick and a poke. Interviewer: Yeah, just the expression. 289: Yeah. {X} Interviewer: Okay, if um. Well, you have a lamp, and uh, the thing inside the lamp- 289: Your light bulb. Interviewer: Burned out you'd have to buy a new one. And uh, did they ever have any mills around here? For grinding things? 289: Grinding coffee. Interviewer: Oh coffee mills? 289: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 289: #2 {X} # I think. Like they had them a few years ago. Interviewer: Did they ever have a name for um, the amount of coffee that you'd take to the mill to be ground at one time? {NS} You ever hear anybody about taking, you know, I'm going to take uh- 289: They'd say sack of beans or- I- I don't know, I don't drink coffee. Interviewer: #1 Okay, I was- maybe you ever heard your grandmother # 289: #2 {X} # No you certainly grind the coffee. {NS} Take it to the mill so can roast the beans of the coffee. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh, if- if the person had a wagon, um truck or anything, and and he was carrying things, and the last load was half full would you ever have any- hear anybody refer to that as anything special? "A half full load?" 289: No. No, uh-uh. Can't think of anything. Interviewer: Alright, what's the thing that's in- used in tops of like a good wine bottle? #1 {X} # 289: #2 Cork. # Interviewer: Okay, if you had a- another bottle that didn't have uh- that material there, you know say it had a glass, thing in it. 289: The {D: Canner?} Interviewer: #1 Yeah like- # 289: #2 But I don't know what you would call the lid. # Interviewer: Would you call it a cork? {NS} 289: #1 No # Interviewer: #2 If it was {X} with something else? # 289: Cork is a cork but then again it could because it's- as long as it's sealing it. I don't know of anything else they would call it. You have your the canners you have the tops made to fit into it. Interviewer: Yeah. 289: #1 I don't know. # Interviewer: #2 How about uh- # You know like, you had a glass t- top, or maybe it can be out of wood or something like if it's just- 289: Peg. Interviewer: Yeah, something like that. 289: Might put a peg. Interviewer: Okay. What do you call that um- there's an instrument- uh that's kind of round and shaped things you put between your teeth? 289: Uh, Jew's Harp. Interviewer: Yeah, ever- ever play many of those here? 289: No because the I think the only time- I saw them when I was real little. But I don't think I've seen one since. Interviewer: How about the other kind of instruments about that long- 289: Harmonica? Interviewer: Yeah. #1 They ever call them- # 289: #2 Mouthpieces. # Interviewer: Mouthpiece? 289: Yeah, harmonica, mouth piece, yeah. Interviewer: What else do they call them. 289: No, Jew's Harp mouth harmonica. No that's about it. Interviewer: What's the thing that you pound nails with? 289: Hammer. Interviewer: Okay And- and- did you ever see any wagons with horses or anything when you were young? {NS} Were there ever any, around? Just even for show or anything? 289: They had the Clydesdale horses down here when I was real little. You know, was it Budweiser? Interviewer: Yeah. 289: They brought them down here. I saw those. Interviewer: Would you know what- would you know what you might call a um, um- this- this- I'm going to ask you a few questions about and this is the ones I was telling you about- I didn't tell you about, I mentioned there might be some foreign- 289: #1 Yeah, okay. # Interviewer: #2 Questions. # #1 If you don't know just say you don't know and there's nothing wrong with that. # 289: #2 Okay. # Interviewer: Uh, if you have a wagon and two horses, do you know what you'd call the long wooden piece between the horses? Even if you've heard it on T.V. or something. 289: A hitch? Interviewer: Okay, how about um. Um. You know this is just the long wooden piece that comes off the front, okay. How about it if you have a buggy and one horse. Okay you have to back the horse in between two- poles- 289: The only thing I think of might be the spokes but then I don't know. Interviewer: Okay. Uh, on a wagon wheel, okay? 289: Yeah. Interviewer: The steel, um, outside part of the wagon, the very outside part that would touch the {X} you know the ground. 289: I know what it is, I mean it's a rim of some kind, made out should only supposed to be made out of metal. Something like that {D: Fort} yeah. {X} Interviewer: You ever heard of the term felly? {NS} 289: No. {NW} Interviewer: Okay, if a horse is hitched to a wagon um, you know sometimes they'll have a, you know they have a thing in between them we mentioned- 289: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: and then they'll have uh- a bar- of wood right in front of the horse. 289: Yeah. Interviewer: Like when the Clydesdales was here, each one had one in front of them. Those little bars, went right in front of the horse. Do you know what they call them? 289: No because I've never seen it. All I've seen is a hitch post that goes down through the center. And then the harnesses and all that kind of stuff. {NS} That hooks onto the harness, the the big choke thing they wear around their collar type thing. Interviewer: And uh. {NS} The um. {NS} Okay, now um. {NS} If a man had a load of wood in his wagon, and he was driving along, what would you say he's doing with that? {NS} 289: Moving along with his wood? Interviewer: Alright let's say he's uh- #1 Got- he takes- okay. # 289: #2 Hauling his wood? # Interviewer: I want to say, not just wood, or it could be any- 289: Well he's hauling whatever it is he's got. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh um. Suppose there was a log across the road or something out here- anything- telephone pole fell over, something like that. Uh, he might out into the jeep to tie a rope to it. 289: Haul it off, how to pull it. Interviewer: Okay, and if you- if you- pull it off you do what with it? You call that- You say I had- 289: You just haul off the telephone pole. Interviewer: Well you couldn't pick it up you'd have to- 289: You'd have to pull it. Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} And um. {NS} Uh. {NS} Saw something here I already got. The uh- {NW} Um, okay how about um. When they go out into the channel, they drop down a line to make the channel deeper what are they doing, they have to- {X} 289: Go out into the channel, drop a line they make it deeper. Interviewer: Yeah, what do you call it when they- 289: They- {NS} #1 A line? To make it deeper?- Drag line goes out and- # Interviewer: #2 Alright well, maybe they don't do that- # #1 What's a drag- # 289: #2 Fix- # Interviewer: What's a drag line do? 289: Drag line scoops down the water and lifts up the load of uh the maw or whatever, and moves it out of the way. Interviewer: Okay. 289: Well they have dredges, that's isn't a dredge, that goes out and finds the rake up, sucks up the gra- dirt through it. And they fill in land that way {X} how they made the beaches. Interviewer: Okay. Alright well now, if uh, you had a drag line- {NS} If you had a drag line. {NW} And- I wasn't expecting that at all. {NW} 289: {D: Wait}. And I hung out the clothes on the line. Ah! Okay. Interviewer: {D: Have you been um}. Someone mentioned the other day you've been expecting some- you've been needing some rain. Probably good that you got it. 289: Yeah we could use it, then we won't have to water the grass. Interviewer: Yeah. How about, uh now, I want to talk about drag, if you did it yesterday you'd say- I- #1 Well say- # 289: #2 Drug. # Interviewer: {X} 289: Drug. Interviewer: Okay. And uh you might say uh, "We have blank quite a few uh stumps out of here." 289: We have dragged. Interviewer: Okay. Uh, some of these getting principle parts 289: What kind of subjects do you teach? I hope it's not English. Interviewer: Why? 289: Because I'm going to be in a heck of a fix. Interviewer: Well don't worry- no I'm not, again I'm not worried about that. #1 You ought to hear- well you know how I talk. Oh no. # 289: #2 Yeah but just like, I sure as heck don't want to go down to that area to teach. # Interviewer: As a matter of fact I've already applied. 289: Oh my heaven. Interviewer: {NW} No. I really like it here. If I had, somebody offer me a job teaching down here {X}. 289: {NW} Interviewer: {X} {NW} Because no, I'm not uh, worried at all- My family is from Kentucky. 289: Well let's put it this way, considering when I was in school and we had English, and the way it was taught, and the way they're doing it nowadays, We know more than what the uh- ones know now and they should know more than us. Interviewer: Does the language change, do you think the language has changed most here? 289: I think the teachers have become uh, disinterested in their jobs. And I- Their kids are not as well prepared For, the next grade, or for college. When I was in ni- Ever since I was in s- Elemen- I mean- yeah so, my third or fourth grade, we had to read books, read poets, and sh- when I got in seventh or eighth grade it was a lot of literature. Ninth grade Shakespeare. I had Shakespeare ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth grades. And I think the teachers just going on just uh. {NS} When had to learn spelling words we had to learn- how to spell them, where you put the pronunciation, you know marks on them, how to uh- What- a definition of the word you had to write, and how to use it in a sentence, nowadays, huh, you'll be learning how to spell the word I guess the teacher thought you done good. Interviewer: Hmm. How about- now, as I said, you had a chance to, you know, more or less see how you know, your grandmother and your father and your speech patterns, and because and the people in the area community. You think that uh, the language has changed for the most here? Or has it stayed pretty much the same as it different terms in your generation? 289: Well now they get onto that uh thing- now that {D: Dynamite} um you know, T.V. and uh- I think the most ones makes the most influence in their speaking is the television. Because I mean, I've always watched T.V. ever since we got it, and I've learned more from watching it than what maybe my sister has learned. {NS} She's fourteen years younger, than what I am. {NS} And I- you think- see when I was going to school, we used to have a Bible class once a week, if you wanted to go it was your pr- you know, you could go. And we had music. We had what they call music appreciation where you can learn all types of music and how to, you know- Like my family, I would be the one, out of the three of us, that would go to a concert, regardless to whether it was Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, or if it was a ballet or an opera. My brother my brother, forget it. My sister, eh maybe. But see I always learned, and I had music all through school. Interviewer: Hmm. 289: Whereas they hadn't. Interviewer: They uh. {NS} Well- what I was thinking about too, is well now that- you mentioned that the other day too that um, like your brother and your sister talked, you know had different- 289: When- each- they say the first born in the family has the true Conch accent, it's supposed to be broad O's and broad A's, in their words. Whereas the second from then on don't have it. Interviewer: Are you the first? 289: I'm the first born. Interviewer: The um. I was just curious about that because um. Why is that because of um- 289: I couldn't tell you, I really don't know. Interviewer: Tradition or something? Who says that? {NW} 289: The old Conches will say it. Like, when I answer the phone, sometimes they'll think I'm my mother. But they'll definitely know I'm not my sister. And even if I tried to pretend you know to answer like she does, they can still say I'm not Elizabeth. {NS} But see she's been um. She's lived in Cal- she's mar- she lived in California, she lived in Fort Lauderdale. {NS} And all, so she's gotten in with more accents from you know around than what I have. {NS} Because they used to tease me when I was growing up at saying certain words, and I've worked on those words so I try not to say them. Properly. Interviewer: What's that? 289: Cigarette. {NS} {D: Aludamin}, I still say that wrong. And home. They'd say, "what are you saying," I'd have to say "H-O-M-E home." Interviewer: Oh. Now then wh- what was wrong with "cigarette?" 289: They'd say I didn't pronounce it right. Interviewer: Well how'd you say it? 289: Cigarette. Interviewer: Hmm. What about the other one, the big ones they used to make here? 289: Cigars. Interviewer: Yeah, they still make those here? 289: They used to but them- they've uh- He's not there anymore. Right down here on this next block on that corner. One facing this way, they used to be- they used to make their hand- own um Key West hand-rolled cigars. I don't know what's happened. Interviewer: He's- He's not doing it anymore. 289: Hasn't been doing it for a couple of months. And they used to sell and they used to go all over United States and foreign countries those cigars. Interviewer: {X} 289: I don't know. I know they painting up the place but they moved everything out of it and they painting it up and everything. Interviewer: Maybe some younger people will go now. 289: There's a lot of hippies that's taking over. Interviewer: Really? I've been seeing a lot of people walking around streets, you know, at night. 289: Well I tell you, the old Key West people do not go down there {D: on Duvall} street anymore. Interviewer: Really? 289: They've let um. See when Miami- when the hippies came in, Now I mean there's good and bad in all of them, okay but with Miami, if they saw they was going to do nothing they said, There's the county line you got exactly twenty four hours to get out of it so they come down here. So they'll take a job and do it for less money, just to get- maybe buy a meal whereas the people that's been here aren't making it. Interviewer: {NW} 289: Now there's some of them that buy houses and fix them up, but they the ones that's got money and their parents just giving them money saying, you know, go we don't want you. Interviewer: Yeah. 289: So. Interviewer: And there's quite a few students it looks like, you know? 289: Yeah. But my god {NW} the odors. Interviewer: From, oh the- 289: I think they forget how to use the bathroom with a bar of soap. {NS} Interviewer: Well that's not {X}- the house next to you is just condemned, there's no one living- 289: Condemned. There's someone living in there that's not supposed to be living. Interviewer: #1 Oh is that what your- is that what you're referring to, the reason why it smelled? # 289: #2 Yeah. Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Are they um, hippies? 289: No, it's one old man. Cripple. He's lived there- As long as I could ever remember. {NS} Interviewer: Okay, one other thing if a man had a sore throat and says- uh throat was all swollen and he was trying to eat a piece of meat, say he couldn't- 289: Swallow. Interviewer: Say I couldn't swallow- Uh. 289: Throat was raw, couldn't swallow it. Interviewer: Um. Okay it's uh, exactly twelve. 289: Let me go see if they can come {X} {C: Reel cuts off here} Interviewer: {NW} I don't think we ever will. 289: No. {NW} Interviewer: Um. {NS} Um. {NW} {NS} I been jumping around so much getting hard to keep up here now. {NS} {NS} Um, the uh. {NS} {NW} How about uh, what did people- around did the people ever have to uh- what'd they ever use around here to um, have for, you know, fires. I mean did they ever have anything in their house for heat? {NS} 289: Um we used to have kerosene stoves, gas- you know, kerosene stoves. I don't think any- no h- I don't think any house in Key West has ever really had a fireplace. Interviewer: Oh yeah, have you ever seen a fireplace around here? At all? 289: Key West no. Interviewer: Okay have you- 289: Had wood stoves now. But I've never seen one, but I know they've had them. Interviewer: Do they- do they sell wood around here? {NS} 289: Not the kind for stoves no. Or for fireplaces no, uh-uh. Interviewer: Do you know um- uh do you know much about fireplaces? Ever been around? {NS} 289: I've used one once. but that's about it. Interviewer: Okay- 289: Then they have a chimney and they have that, what's it stoke up in there they have to open up?- No the- draft? It's something in it you have to open up to make sure it has the right ventilation. Going up. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh- do you know what they call the thing that you lay the wood on? Those metal arms? 289: Grate? I guess you call it grate. #1 Metal- # Interviewer: #2 {X} inside? # 289: No. I know what they look like and all. Interviewer: How about the hard space out in front on the floor, you know, right in front of it? {NS} 289: Nope. {NS} I'm sure I've heard it called something from movies and T.V. but- Interviewer: On the front of an old fashioned stove you ever heard anything? 289: No. Interviewer: Home is where the- 289: Ha- oh the hearth- hearth hearth Should it- H A R Interviewer: How did you say it? 289: Is it hearth? Hearth? Something like that. Interviewer: Okay. 289: {D: You got to certainly know what it is} Interviewer: Whatever you heard. How about the shelf that's above it? 289: Mantle piece. Interviewer: And uh. What do you call the- the- you know if you got a piece of wood about that long- what- what do you call what do you burn in it first? what- what- 289: Burn logs and you're supposed to have- what is it you have paper, then some what wood chips down there or very thin wood or something or other, to get it started, to get the logs going. Because I know you can't set fire to the logs straight off unless you soak them in something. And I don't think you do that. Because you'd smell the house up. Interviewer: Okay, how about uh, what do you call the uh, the black stuff that forms inside the chimney? 289: Soot. Interviewer: Okay. And the other stuff that forms underneath the uh- 289: Ashes. Interviewer: {X} Okay, how about um. {NS} {NS} Speaking of um. {NS} Alright, some- you know like- you know you say you have a s- story and a half but some houses have like two stories and above they- 289: Attic. Interviewer: Okay. They have that, end then um. The uh some- some houses have a little room that's off the kitchen you- now you have one too but some of them's just a little room that you walk in like a locker of some kind of where you put the canned goods? 289: Utility room, most people call them. Interviewer: Yeah, would you ever have just a little room where you might have stored canned goods or something? 289: I know what you're talking about but I think that they have that up north- northern part, I don't know. Interviewer: No one around here that you know of- 289: Store house, a store room. Interviewer: Pantry or- 289: Pantry. Yeah, cellars. {X} Interviewer: So that's a northern right? 289: Yeah that's not here. Interviewer: And no one that you know of here has a pantry. 289: Not that I've heard it called pantry, no not in a long time. I mean you hear it from other w- places. Interviewer: Okay. Uh, when speaking of daily house work you might say after breakfast or something women would do what? {NS} 289: What after breakfast you wash the dishes. Make up the bed. Do the wash. Sweep the house. Interviewer: Okay. You might say uh. Um, yeah- well what would you call you know if you were sweeping the floor what would you, be doing? 289: Sweeping? Interviewer: Okay. And uh, what do you call the thing that you do, you know- 289: Mop? Interviewer: Alright, and the one that you sweep the floor with. 289: Broom. Interviewer: Okay. And uh, years ago, on Monday, you said they did the washing- they used to do the washing and then 289: Ironing. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} On Monday. If- if uh- 289: Not anymore you don't. {NW} Interviewer: If uh- if a door was open and you didn't want it that way what would you tell somebody to do? 289: Close the door. Shut the door. Interviewer: Okay, and uh. How do you say, do you know uh- along- along the roof uh those- 289: The gutter? Interviewer: Yeah that runs the water off, is that what you call it? 289: Gutter, the alley. Interviewer: And what's the alley called 289: The drain. {NS} Most people call it the gutters. Interviewer: Okay, what's now- what- do you call it an alley? 289: You can call it an alley. Interviewer: Now what- how- you know on a house that's got an L shape, you know? You know it's not just a box but it's kind of L shaped, okay? 289: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 And you know where the roof- the roof comes together right there? # 289: #2 Joins together. # Interviewer: Yeah wh- would you have a name for that? Where the roof comes together? {NS} 289: Not as far as I know, it's the roof- the roof. Interviewer: Okay. How about um. Uh. If uh- uh. If you were doing some carpenting, you know- {NS} {C: Knocking at the door} {NS} {C: Reel seems to skip, 289 speaks but is {X} } {X} Not- now- um- I always uh- think that I don't sound, the way I sound. 289: Yeah but with me I sound worse than what I think I sound. {NW} Interviewer: How about uh what do you- now when you have a nail and a hammer what do you call when you're doing that. 289: Hammering. Interviewer: Alright what you call- wh- when you take a nail put in- #1 Punch it- # 289: #2 Pound it into the- # Interviewer: #1 Okay you- # 289: #2 Just called hammering. # Interviewer: #1 Okay- # 289: #2 Nail- nail into the wall. # Interviewer: Okay. And if your ah- if you're in a car and you're doing that- 289: Driving. Interviewer: Okay. If you did it yesterday you say I. 289: I drove yesterday. Interviewer: And you uh, you might say that um, um. Last week uh- George had- Talking about driving. George had, five hundred miles. 289: George had to drive five hundred. Interviewer: #1 Or just using the past. # 289: #2 Or drove five hundred. # Interviewer: Alright but he had- 289: Driven. Interviewer: Okay. And um. Now what do you call a little building, behind the house you use for storing wood or tools or something? 289: Garage. Interviewer: Okay any other names for little- 289: Store room, um. {NS} There's another name for it too. {NS} Can't think of it. Interviewer: Okay, uh, we knew that the- somebody was at the door because we- 289: Heard the knocking. Interviewer: Okay. And uh. Um. If you say uh, you might say and still talking about the word heard, um, if it happens again we will- 289: Will hear. Interviewer: Yeah. And um. Um. {NS} You might say I have uh- I have- 289: Heard. Interviewer: If you ask a person uh- or if I ask if you if you know a person, {X}, um, you might s- uh you might say no, but I- 289: Know of him. Or uh- heard of him. Interviewer: Okay, and um. If a friend- if a friend came back to town, and you and another friend have been visiting, with 'em uh, you might be asked uh, "haven't you seen him yet?" and you might say, "No I-" 289: Haven't. Interviewer: Okay. And you might be asked, "Has your brother seen him yet?" and uh, again you might answer no- 289: Uh- No he ha- no he hasn't. Interviewer: Okay. 289: He hasn't. Interviewer: Alright, uh. {NS} If you've been trying to make up your mind about something uh, would you say "I've been-" uh, you know, what would you say- how would you say- "I've been-" 289: Thinking about it. Interviewer: Okay, and um. {NS} Uh. {NS} If someone uh. {NS} How about- what's some buildings you might find on a farm? 289: #1 The barn. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # #1 Oh again? # 289: #2 Barn. # Interviewer: Okay. 289: What else? You have a house. You have the storage room or store bin. You make have a smoke- smoke house you might have on a farm if they have some cattle for their own use Houses, we've got barn. What kind of barn- stables, you might call it. That's all I can think of. House, barn, stables. {NS} Uh, store room. Interviewer: How about a place they might- a place they might store corn, what do they call that? {NS} 289: They call it a bin. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh- a store that they might store grain? 289: It's one of those big tall things, what is it a silo? They call it a silo? Interviewer: Okay, uh yeah um, for some places. 289: Yeah. Interviewer: You ever- uh how about- you ever heard of a, like a place not- where they store it but where they process it? 289: Mill? Interviewer: You know like, where they store it before they ship- ship it off to Russia. 289: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 289: No. What a store room, bins, grain- um, silos. Interviewer: What was the other one you {D: told me you said}- 289: Bins? Interviewer: You told me- you said something that started out with a grain. 289: Grain. Store room. Bins. Silos. {NS} Sacks they- don't they- didn't they put it- no they don't. They load them in those- darn trains uh loose, at least what pictures I've seen. Interviewer: Okay. You ever heard a term like grain- #1 Granary # 289: #2 Gran- Granary? Yeah. # That's where they goes to process it. The granary. Interviewer: Okay. Uh, do you know what the upper part of a barn is called? #1 # 289: #2 # Interviewer: #1 You know, where they put the- # 289: #2 Yeah. # Hayloft. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 289: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Okay, and- and you might say that if too much hay has been gathered to get into the barn uh, you know how they keep it outside? 289: They- um- They stack it in um- {NW} big tall things. Interviewer: So you call that a- 289: Hay stack. Interviewer: Okay, and uh do you know uh- again if you don't you know, don't worry about it, um, if you know tell me. {NW} When you- when they first cut hay do you know what they do with it? {NS} 289: I've seen the machines when they cut the hay, it goes through the machines, they turn it into bales. Interviewer: Okay. 289: And they may leave it out on the ground to what, dry out. {D: Right?} Interviewer: Do you know what they- do you know if they- if there's any names for small piles of hay raked up in a field? 289: Other than a hay um loft- no hay, stack that's all I know. Interviewer: Okay. How about um- Where would a person keep the cows? Like when they had the dairy here {D: where would they}- {NS} 289: Cows are kept out in the pasture. Interviewer: Okay, what if they want to get them in- in the shelter? 289: They bring them into the barns. Interviewer: Okay, but do they ever have any- okay. You ever call them anything special? That you know of? Was the dairy here while you were young? 289: I remember people talking about it and I remember seeing the bottles but I don't remember seeing the cows. Interviewer: Okay. 289: I don't know, you just- take- take them out the pasture. Bring 'em in, milk 'em. Turn 'em loose again. Interviewer: Okay. Uh, uh, besides the barn did you ever hear of any special place where they might milk cows outside? 289: {NS} No. Interviewer: Okay. Uh, do you know where they keep hogs and uh, pigs? 289: Keep them in a pen. {NS} Interviewer: Okay. Um- {NW} {NS} Was- is that a shelter or is it open? That you uh- 289: A pen for pigs? Generally it's open to let them slop around the mud and feed them uh lots of slop they feed them. Interviewer: Out of- out of what, {X}- 289: Anything that's left over they're supposed to give them. Interviewer: Okay, but they used to- the thing- you know they carry it out in a slop what? 289: Slop bucket. Interviewer: Okay. And uh- {NW} And uh, then they put the- they put the slop in one of those long- 289: Troughs. Interviewer: Okay. And one would be a what? 289: Trough. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} Um. {NS} {X} {C: can't hear what he's saying because of the papers turning/flapping} The um. The um. {NS} 289: You going to find out not all Key Westers are so stupid, from watching T.V. Interviewer: Well that's- that's alright, that's what I'm- here to find out. How about uh- um. What type of a uh, um. {NS} {X} Oh what do you call the place around the barn, where the animals might run loose? 289: Barnyard. Interviewer: Okay, and uh do you know anything at all about cotton? 289: I know it grows in the tree and they pick it off, take it through a cotton gin, that's about it, Interviewer: #1 Do you know what they call- # 289: #2 the seeds- # Interviewer: Do you know what they call the grass that grows up in the cotton fields and what they do with it when they don't what it? 289: They hoe it up- hoe it. Interviewer: Okay, you know what cotton grows in? {NS} 289: You know it grows it grows on a, bush. Interviewer: No, what- the area that it's grown in is called a- 289: Cotton patch, cotton field, cotton- Plantation? Interviewer: Okay. And what kind of fences did you have around here? 289: Picket fence. Interviewer: Okay, what they look like? 289: It's generally um, wooden fence, with the tops of them cut, you know like a triangle, you know pointed thing. Interviewer: Okay. And um, the uh. Were there- excuse me where there every any other kind of- fence where the- #1 Where the {X} horizontal, you know? # 289: #2 {D: Mimics} # {D: They'll even fix uh}- the post like they do out on um what is it ranches and they run wire, or they run the boards um cross-wise instead of length- Interviewer: #1 Do you know what they call them? # 289: #2 Yeah up- # {NS} What, spoke fence, wire fence, barb wire. {NS} Nope it's just a fence, just made the wood just put different ways. Interviewer: Okay you ever see any fences that, you know like they have up north, they lay that way looking down from the top? 289: Yeah but I don't know what you call them unless you call them zig-zag. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh, any fences made out of stone, did they ever have any around here? 289: Brick fence, block fence, cement fence, no. Interviewer: That they had them you know- like you know- like you know the rocks {X}. 289: They- they take some of these old um. Coral rocks now and they making things- fences with that. They'll put it there and put some cement let it dry and keep building it up. Interviewer: #1 But if you saw a- # 289: #2 But they call it a rock fence or, a # coral fence. Interviewer: Okay. And you said uh, um, the thing that they dig the hole and um- 289: Put the post in? Interviewer: Yeah and three or four of them would be- 289: Post? Interviewer: Okay. #1 And uh- # 289: #2 Yard post. # Interviewer: You said you had chickens did- were the chickens for eating or were they for eggs? Did you use them for anything? 289: The stupid things didn't know what they were supposed to do, they were for our pets. More or less. Interviewer: Oh. 289: We've never had a chicken lay an egg. Interviewer: Oh. #1 Maybe they were all male- # 289: #2 And we never killed them for our own selves. # We'd give them to somebody, you know. After we didn't want them. Interviewer: How about uh, Do you know uh, you know anybody that raised chickens for- to have for eggs? 289: {NS} Yeah lady next door when I was little they used to have some chickens. Let's put it this way, chicken is one of my favorite food, so I might raise it for- for a pet. But I would not kill it. I would not go out and takes its egg and use it. In fact, I won't even touch it. Interviewer: Mm. 289: And I won't touch a duck either. Interviewer: #1 {X}- when they're alive. # 289: #2 And I won't touch a turkey either. # Yeah I mean, I'll eat you know, fried chicken or turkey and things like that but I will not touch the animal while it's alive. Interviewer: Okay. 289: I couldn't raise any animal, period, to kill it, to eat it. I'd go without eating. Interviewer: If you had uh- a real nice tea set, you'd say it be made out of what? 289: China. Interviewer: Okay. You ever heard of uh, like you know the reason why I ask this is- you know chickens, this China doesn't seem to have any connection at all? Uh they used to have a- When- like- when you want to make a hen start laying, they used to have a little false egg. 289: The dip? Interviewer: That was white, you know they put it in there it would fool her, she'd sit there and she'd start sitting on that then she'd lay a few more. Do you know what they used to call that egg? 289: Nope. I've never even heard of them doing it. Interviewer: Oh okay. 289: I've heard now they think what um- putting lights in the chicken coops so that they'll think it's daylight and make more eggs. And they suppsoed to put um, music in the um, milkshed- when they making- milking the cows, to make them more content. So give their- I guess give their milk more freely. {NS} Interviewer: I guess that's why they got music in office buildings. 289: Y- It's proven you can work better with music. I can work better and faster with it. Interviewer: Hm, I guess that soothes your, nerves. Okay. Right, what would you use to carry water in? 289: Pail. Bucket. Interviewer: Is there a difference between a pail and a bucket in your mind? 289: No, same thing. Interviewer: Um. How about um, wh- what would a bucket be made out of- wh- what it made out of now? 289: Uh metal or tin. You know aluminum- steel. Interviewer: Okay. 289: I don't know what they make them out of. Interviewer: Did you ever see any uh, old ones that were made out of anything else? 289: Wood. Interviewer: Do you know that- what kind of wood they might be made out of? {NS} 289: No. {NS} Interviewer: Okay, um. {NS} The um. {NS} Seventeen Twenty, trying to keep track- {D: I need to keep track} {X} The um.{NS} Okay, um. You- now we talked about dragging before we, stopped the tape the first time. That's where we, you know we- 289: Drag? Interviewer: You know we were talking about uh- 289: Oh drag lines? Interviewer: Yeah. 289: Cranes. Interviewer: Right. Now you might say uh- Uh, now okay that was the last thing we talked about at that point. So, we'll pick up here. {NS} Okay do you know what the farmers do to the ground the first thing in the spring in order to get it ready? 289: I suppose they'll plow it. Interviewer: Okay, do you know what they call the- the next thing they do to make it finer? {NS} 289: I learned it in school. What is it, fallow? No fallow is when they leave the land, what, empty? To let it- I know they plow it up and if they're smart they put some fertilizer in it. And they may grow- if they don't use the land they may grow something in it that won't- they'll benefit- the land will benefit from it, but I don't know what it's called, fallow. Interviewer: Okay, you ever- Uh- 289: Turn the soil over. Interviewer: Yeah you remember call it harrow? 289: I don't think so. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh, and you know what the- the wagon wheel was put onto a- 289: The stokes? Interviewer: #1 The stokes? # 289: #2 Yeah after the- # yeah stoke, the thing that sticks out Interviewer: Oh that? #1 Alright how about uh- # 289: #2 Chassis? # Axel? Okay Interviewer: #1 How now uh- the uh- the frame the carpenters use that looks like that what do you call it? # 289: #2 Saw horse. # Interviewer: Okay. And then there's another one that looks like this they use for cutting up logs. Do you know what they, call that? 289: That'll be a sawhorse, of some type I don't know what. Interviewer: How about uh um, in um. You- know in a barber shop I don't know if you're familiar with that at all but you know barber shop they have a leather, thing- 289: Strap. Interviewer: #1 Yeah they- # 289: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: Call that to sharpen razors. And uh, there's two ways to straighten your hair: you can comb it or you can- 289: Brush it Interviewer: Okay. And um. Do you know what you call one round that you might put in a revolver? 289: Just a bullet. One round um. One load? Interviewer: Yeah, yeah- a bullet, what's another sort of another, word for bullet? {NS} 289: Bullet. {NS} It's a bullet, period. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh- uh you ever- like cart- uh. {NS} You ever heard of the term like uh cart- cart- uh, starting off of the sound cart- I'm not going to give you the whole word. Cart- ? 289: What in, pertaining to a bullet? Interviewer: Yeah. 289: {NS} Interviewer: Cartr- 289: Cartridge. Interviewer: Okay. And uh. 289: That's for a rifle when I think of a cartridge. But then I {X} think of rifles either. Interviewer: Oh, do- very many people around here own guns? 289: I don't know but you go up into- Ta- Tampa and I'll guarantee you- go to my Uncle's house and you'll find all you need. Interviewer: He likes- does he collect them or just- ? 289: Well he's had a lot of trouble up that area a while back with racial things. {NS} So he got his self- between him and his sons they got enough guns to start an army I think. Interviewer: {X} {NW} How about uh- okay, now when you were young, uh. A board that you crossed a sawhorse. 289: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Kid gets on one end and the other end- 289: See-saw. Interviewer: Okay. Now if two kids are doing it you'd say they are- 289: See-sawing. Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever see a board or plank that would be attached, um, to like stump or another post in the middle where it would go around? 289: Merry-go-round? Interviewer: Yeah where one kid gets on one side- you know it's like a see-saw and it goes around. 289: I've never seen that though. Interviewer: Yeah that you would- you would- if you saw one- 289: It'd still be, if it's going around, it's a merry-go-round of some kind. Interviewer: Okay, how about if there was uh, a board that would be attached, um- It's a little plank like and it's attached at both ends. You know, to something solid, off the ground a little bit, and the kid can get in the middle like a trampoline and can go up and down on it, you ever seen one of those? 289: No. Interviewer: Okay, um. The um. 289: Oh do you mean a balancing bar? Interviewer: No what's- no what's that? #1 Like in gym- ? # 289: #2 Like you'd see in gymnastics. # Interviewer: No this one is lumber. This one moved, jumping up and down is like a trampoline. 289: No I've never seen one of those. Interviewer: Okay what- what about having a tree with two ropes coming down and a board? 289: Swing. Interviewer: Okay. And uh, do they- do you know if anybody around here ever used coal? In their house for heat or anything to cook on or anything? 289: Not as far as I know of. I mean I'm sure they did but I don't remember. Interviewer: Do you know what they might carry it in? In the house you have that little- 289: Think it has a- looks like a pail of some kind, where one side of it's you know scooped like this so like you can scoop it up into the pail easier. Interviewer: Okay. And if you had a woodstove, what would be the thing that runs from the stove, #1 To the chimney. # 289: #2 To the chimney? # Interviewer: To the chimney yeah. 289: I don't know what that's called. Stoke- no. Interviewer: What would you call it? 289: They can't call it a stoke. Chimney pipe, the round thing that goes up into the stove to go out and fit the- Interviewer: Yeah? 289: I don't know. I know what you're talking about but I don't know. Interviewer: You- alright. How about um, uh. {NS} Well alright um, let's see. {X}. How about uh, did you start calling a stove what- ? 289: Stove pipe. Interviewer: Yeah. 289: That thing. Interviewer: Okay, you ever heard of uh- you know what a flue is? 289: I've heard of but not- Just used in movies and things. Interviewer: How about a small vehicle that you use to carry bricks or other heavy things that has one wheel in the front and two handles in the back? 289: Wheelbarrow. Interviewer: Okay. And how about a portable sharpening stone uh that you could use- you can sharpen machetes with it and- 289: It's a butcher's stone. Or um, {NW}- Uh, we've got one too, but I don't know what it's called- flintstone? No. You just call it a sharpener really. Interviewer: Okay. How about uh- uh one that's a big wheel that someone might- 289: Yeah. Interviewer: Crank and- and do big things like hoes and shovels. 289: I know what you mean, but I don't- sharpening- no not sharpening block Interviewer: The sharpening stone fixed on a stand- 289: Yeah and it wheels around, let's you push the pedal. No I can't think of the name for it. Interviewer: Like gri- 289: Gri- Grindstone? Interviewer: Okay. How about uh, say, if you- now you mentioned talking about greasing pans, if you got your hands were all greased, you'd say you were- 289: I was greasy. Interviewer: Okay. And uh, uh, what's the- what's the thing that you put in the, in your automobile? The stuff- 289: Gasoline? Gas? Interviewer: And? 289: Oil. Interviewer: Okay, and uh. Have you ever made a make-shift lamp out of uh- uh- a rag or a bottle or a can you know where you just have, a rag sticking out- like you might just be out fishing or something and, just make a lamp. 289: I was thinking of a molotov cocktail there no. Interviewer: This is with like kerosene or oil or something? 289: No, never Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever heard the word flambeau 289: Yeah but I always think of it as uh- flambeau is um- {NS} Ice cream they put uh, liquor on it or strawberries on it, with liquor and they put a match to it, let it go up. Interviewer: Okay. How about, what- what- what they use- 289: Flambe. That's not flambe? Flambeau? I had it once because I had it at the Fontainebleau but. {NS} It was um- {NS} Strawberry or Romanov. Flambeau, flambe. I guess it's all kind of how you pronounce it. Interviewer: Yeah. 289: But I know it was ice cream's with it, and liquor. Interviewer: Yeah. Uh, I always just- the only thing I've ever had like that was Cherry's Jubilee- 289: That's it {NW}, Cherry's Jubilee. Interviewer: {NW} 289: Because I had the cherries and my cousin had the strawberry. Hers was- ice cream with strawberries and liquor, but mine was the cherry's jubilee and they came and they- Interviewer: {NW} 289: Didn't like it. Interviewer: Okay, how about uh. Um, what was the inner- the inside of a- of a, uh- Alright, uh tooth- toothpaste comes in a- 289: Tube. Interviewer: Okay. And, uh. The uh, if you just build a boat and you're about to put it in the water you say you're going to- 289: Launch it. Interviewer: Okay, and what kind of a- what kind of a small boat with oars or something like that would you- 289: Dinghy. Interviewer: Dinghy? How about- how about if it was on a fresh-water lake would you call it a dinghy? 289: If it's that small it's a dinghy. Interviewer: How about if it's uh- Okay, how about um. 289: Or a skiff. #1 Some people call it a skiff. # Interviewer: #2 Does it have a flat or round bottom? # Or both? 289: Comes to the you know like that uh, roll V type thing, it's not completely round but it's like that. Interviewer: Okay. Would you ever use a flat bottom, around here? Would it be too dangerous or what? 289: Well, there's people that have taken that, type, in the bottom and put the flat into it you know, but- I wouldn't use a flat bottom. Interviewer: Okay. How about um. {NS} If a child uh, has just learned to dress himself, and the mother might bring in the clothes and say- And hand them to him and say- 289: Put 'em on. Interviewer: Alright {D: and now we're just doing}- hands it to him and says- 289: Here they are {NW} Interviewer: Or might say- what else would she say? I'm just going to go off- 289: I don't know, Get dressed. Interviewer: Alright. 289: Here's your clothes. Interviewer: Alright, and um. {NS} Okay if a woman wants to uh um- Well what do you wear in the kitchen to keep from getting- 289: Apron. Interviewer: Alright. And uh. How about uh, if a woman wants to buy a dress of a certain color she might take along a little square clothe to use as a- 289: swatch