Interviewer: Okay um okay the last thing we were talking about is you throw a ball to somebody you have to 289: Once you throw it Interviewer: Then you 289: Caught it Interviewer: Okay he caught it and then uh you say he will 289: Catch it Interviewer: And he had 289: Caught it Interviewer: Okay and uh uh I might say let's meet in town if I get there first I'll 289: Wait for you Interviewer: Okay and uh a young man might have made a mistake doing something and he said uh just give me another 289: Chance Interviewer: Okay and if a man is in a very good mood you say he's in a very good 289: Humor Interviewer: Okay and uh if you have a hired man who keeps on loafing all the time you might decide to discharge him and you'd say to a friend of yours I think I'm going to get 289: Rid of him Interviewer: Okay and uh you might say uh he didn't know he didn't really know what was going on but he 289: Tried Interviewer: He blank uh he knew it all 289: He thought he knew it all Interviewer: Okay or uh in reference to uh a man who gets on the stage and puts on a show is an 289: Actor Interviewer: Okay 289: {NW} Interviewer: In reference to uh that you might say he didn't uh know what was going on but he 289: Acted Interviewer: Okay acted 289: As if he did Interviewer: Okay um you know someone stole your pencil when you were in school you know grade school uh what slang would you use you might say who 289: Took it Who stole my pencil took my pencil Interviewer: Ever say something like swiped or 289: Swiped yeah who swiped it But you mean {D: but is it} Is swiping more or less you know who did it to begin with Interviewer: Okay and uh was just a moot question or just 289: No Interviewer: Okay uh I might say uh I had forgotten about that but now I 289: Remembered Or remember Interviewer: Okay and you might say to me well you must have a better memory than I do because I sure don't 289: Remember Interviewer: Okay uh and what is it you do with one of these things 289: Write Interviewer: Okay and yesterday I 289: Wrote Interviewer: And uh you might say uh I have just 289: Written Interviewer: Okay and and since I just uh wrote some friends of mine I expect them t 289: To write back Interviewer: Which 289: Or to hear from them Interviewer: So alright and the telephone rings so you go 289: Answer Interviewer: Okay and uh the thing that you put on a uh envelope so that 289: Stamp Interviewer: No 289: Address Interviewer: Okay and uh you say I want to write to uh George do you know his 289: Address Interviewer: Okay uh a little boy who's just learned something new for instance uh uh if he has just learned to whistle and you wanted to know where he even learned that you might ask him who 289: Taught you that Interviewer: Okay and you might say um um okay I might say when are you going to Miami you might say right now we're blank next Wednesday 289: Planning Interviewer: Okay okay how about a little boy who's done something naughty and a little girl saw him do it the little boy might say now don't you go to mom and 289: Tell her Or stool On me Interviewer: Okay do you ever use any somebody that constantly goes to and 289: A stool pigeon Interviewer: Yeah how about somebody that's all the time uh talk telling stories kids call them anything 289: Fibbers Telling fibs Interviewer: Or ta- 289: Tattle tales Interviewer: Okay now an older person you know like you know say you mentioned down at Howard Johnson's 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Uh if you did something that maybe you made a mistake or something so I went over to the boss and told what would the person be what would you call him 289: s- Well s- he's a p- be telling on you Um You could really say it all but I think as you get older you don't say that Back stabbing Interviewer: Okay how alright 289: Or if they was jeal- mainly what it was is if they jealous of you They might carry tales which isn't true and so they'd be back stabbing you Interviewer: Okay if uh lose my place okay if you want a bouquet for dinner the dinner table you go out in the garden and 289: Cut the flowers Interviewer: Okay uh okay what is it something that a child would play with 289: Toy Interviewer: Okay and if something happened that you expected or were expecting and you're sitting on the porch and some kid was playing right next to the street and you said get away from the curb a car is going to come along and sure enough here it came 289: I told you that Interviewer: Alright you might say uh uh you might say I ju- 289: I just told you that Interviewer: Okay uh and uh uh if I hand this to you I would be 289: Passing it Interviewer: Or I would 289: Give it to me Interviewer: Okay and if I did it yesterday 289: Gave it to me Interviewer: And I had 289: Given it to me Interviewer: Okay and uh I might say I'm glad I carried my umbrella this morning uh we had I hadn't gone down the block when it 289: Started to rain Interviewer: Okay any other words that you might use there 289: just a light rain you might call it um A spraying or a sprinkling Interviewer: Like just a 289: Like you know drippy drip Sprinkling or spraying Interviewer: And uh would that be all day long 289: You might you could say you had a drizzle when it's not too much you know {NS} That's about it Interviewer: So if it's like all day long that would be a what a drizzle 289: just no it's it was raining all day Interviewer: Okay just a light 289: Yeah Interviewer: Say it was 289: #1 if it was # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 289: very light it was You had a drizzle if it was a {D: this wet} very light and for a short period of time you had a drizzle Interviewer: Okay anything anything else 289: No Nothing about rain Thunderstorm Interviewer: Alright uh the uh well okay let's finish this here the church you might say church blanks at eleven o clock 289: Starts Interviewer: Another word for that church 289: Begins Interviewer: Okay and yesterday church 289: Started Interviewer: Or 289: Began Interviewer: Okay and you say last week it had 289: Begun Interviewer: Or 289: {NW} Or it started Interviewer: Okay and uh okay you might say to somebody you can't get through here the highway department's got their machines in here the road's all 289: Blocked off Interviewer: Or in terms of messing uh 289: Torn up Interviewer: Okay and if someone gave you a bracelet and they said why don't you 289: uh wear it Interviewer: Yeah why don't you 289: Put it on Interviewer: Okay and the opposite 289: Take it off Interviewer: Okay and uh if you're sitting with a friend and not saying anything and all of a sudden he asks what'd you say and you say why I said you didn't say anything he said well what did you 289: #1 I didn't # Interviewer: #2 say # 289: say anything Interviewer: Or I didn't say 289: #1 Anything # Interviewer: #2 I said # 289: of importance Interviewer: And you say why I said 289: Nothing Interviewer: Okay and and he'd say well I thought you saids 289: Something Interviewer: Okay and you might say I've never heard of 289: That before Interviewer: Or I might I never heard of blank things 289: Those things That thing Interviewer: How about I never heard of s- 289: Those thing Interviewer: Su- su- alright how about uh it's blank a nice day 289: It's blank Interviewer: It's su- 289: Such a nice day Interviewer: And uh uh it wasn't an accident you did it 289: On purpose Interviewer: Okay and I don't know you better go 289: Talk to him or see him Interviewer: Or in terms of questioning 289: Better ask him Interviewer: And yesterday you 289: Asked him Interviewer: And and last week you had 289: Asked Interviewer: Yeah there are quite a few verbs at the end here a couple young men who do not get along at all they get into a little fist to cuff every time they meet you say 289: They're always fighting always mad Interviewer: Okay so yesterday they 289: Fought Interviewer: And tomorrow they will 289: Fight Interviewer: And they have 289: They have fought Interviewer: Okay and and if a guy pulls out a big knife 289: Mm-hmm Stabs Interviewer: Okay and uh and then the act 289: Pull it out Interviewer: Is called what he he 289: Pulled it out if he shoved it in he's going to pull it out Interviewer: Okay how about uh the funny there's a funny picture on the black board the teacher says who 289: Drew that Interviewer: Okay and uh if you were going to lift something like a heavy piece of machinery down at the dock say you'd use a 289: Crane Interviewer: Or a 289: a wren- um winch Interviewer: Hoi- hoi- 289: Hoist Interviewer: Yeah there you 289: #1 you # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 289: Hoist it up Interviewer: Okay now uh now what 289: Okay weather Interviewer: And this is just there's no make sure there's no more questions I have to ask okay first off in the winter time 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: The the storm that comes in is called a what 289: Norther Interviewer: That's the name of uh are there any other winter storms 289: it's really any kind of weather we get {D: in it} this cool weather call it a norther It's coming in it's coming in from the north uh yeah comes in from the north so it's a norther {NW} Interviewer: Okay now what about uh does the island ever get uh uh where they have to use the horns does it ever get 289: Fog horns uh fog Interviewer: Yeah does it ever like when there's fog outside you say it's a what kind of day 289: What smog We don't have that Interviewer: You don't have fog 289: I've seen maybe a haze {NS} #1 Maybe # Interviewer: #2 so you # 289: four or five times that's about it Interviewer: Okay so you wouldn't say that you can never say that you have a a 289: Visibility problem Interviewer: A fog you know 289: #1 Foggy # Interviewer: #2 fog # 289: day no Interviewer: How about uh well then you got some rain but what do you call it when you know like you don't get rain for a real long time 289: Uh dry spell and drought Interviewer: Okay how about uh in terms of uh you mentioned a steady sprinkle is called a spry 289: We call it spry #1 a sprinkle # Interviewer: #2 that's just a # Steady light 289: Light thing Interviewer: How about a real heavy one 289: Downpour Interviewer: Yeah okay say dumps an inch every two hours or so 289: We'll have downpour Interviewer: Alright how about uh uh rain that lasts two or three days that would have to count as what 289: That would just It's been raining Two or three days that's about it Interviewer: What kind of storms do you get here 289: Hurricanes That's about it Interviewer: How about the ones that uh the little one 289: Oh you mean you mean off the water #1 The um # Interviewer: #2 yeah what # do you call ones off the water I mean the ones that are in the water are white that you see 289: Funnel clouds Interviewer: Yeah what are those any other names for them 289: No They're funnel Interviewer: Um 289: We had one just a little while back real big one Interviewer: Did it come through the island 289: Uh no it stopped But we had one one before it it came off this way and ripped off two or three uh {NW} Roofs and moved the buildings Over a little bit off their foundations Interviewer: Did it touch down or just the wind 289: It touched down Interviewer: And that was 289: See it'll touch real close {NS} To the water line and these buildings were there Interviewer: Did you uh ever call that anything 289: uh what you mean like a ty- uh {X} Interviewer: What'd you call 289: Ty- Hmm Typhoon typhoon Mary typhoon {NW} No that's in Japan No there's a whirl No Funnel clouds That's about anything I would call it Interviewer: Okay how about um um excuse me alright now um if if the wind is coming from let me get this straight this is south okay that's south 289: Yeah south Interviewer: Okay now the wind and that's north 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Alright the wind's coming from that direction 289: {X} Uh southwest Interviewer: Okay so what would you call that what kind of 289: Southwest Interviewer: #1 Would that mean # 289: #2 winds # Interviewer: anything 289: Sou- well some people call it a sou'wester Interviewer: Yeah 289: Just you know If it's bad weather {D: I reckon} they'd say it's a southwe- southwester Interviewer: Where does most of your bad weather come from 289: Most of our bad weather comes from the north coming down the keys Interviewer: So that's now when you say bad weather you're talking about 289: Cold weather or a lot of rain comes from that way Interviewer: What about uh what about the fish when they belly up what do you call that 289: when they belly up Interviewer: You know when they when they turn belly up out when you get a cloudy day and it's about fifty degrees 289: A freeze a frost Interviewer: Yeah you say you say that the fish are what 289: They don't do that Interviewer: I know that's why I'm trying to find out see um I've asked I guess three people and they say uh I think uh uh one of them 289: We don't get fifty degree w- we- water Interviewer: You don't I mean weather 289: The weather yeah weather might get fifty degrees Interviewer: I've heard that like in the shallow waters this is what um again this is something I heard just asking uh that on on a fifty degree day outside 289: #1 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 the # water will cool down and that it'll stun the fish 289: #1 And bring # Interviewer: #2 and then the # 289: them up to the #1 surface # Interviewer: #2 they'll # float belly up and that they call those 289: I have no idea because one thing if it's fifty degrees I'm not going out to the water anyway Interviewer: Okay 289: If it gets to be sixty I freeze to death much less go down any lower than that Interviewer: Okay 289: but I've never seen one Interviewer: I'm just wondering because uh someone was telling me about the uh frozen uh 289: {NW} What frozen fish #1 the fish would freeze # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Yeah 289: #1 They're # Interviewer: #2 told me this # 289: crazy #1 not in this # Interviewer: #2 they told me # 289: area Interviewer: They told me I think I can get tapes of this the fish 289: Maybe m- around #1 Miami # Interviewer: #2 {X} # No it was here I think mr Higgs told me I I know 289: I've never heard of that in my life not in Key West Because those stupid people come from New York and from Saint Louis and what have you out here in the stupid water swimming when it's forty eight degrees Interviewer: Okay now that's what I'm thinking is that it's not really freezing I mean it's just a local term for you know because they're stunned 289: No {NS} Sometimes when you're out fishing the fish come from a you know you get you hook them on your line you pull them up They come from a great depth and they say what else do they say {NW} They blow up Interviewer: Oh they 289: So it's no use even if it's a little fish there's no use to throw it back in the water because it'll die and it'll float to you know cause they float Interviewer: Oh from a great depth 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: You said the pressure does that 289: Yes uh what is it the pressure {NW} You know a skin diver {NS} That comes if he comes up too fast you have to put him in a pressure thing Interviewer: Oh yeah like the bends 289: Yeah In the that's it the fish gets the bends Interviewer: Really I didn't know fish could get the bends 289: Mm-hmm you bring them up too fast and {NS} From a deep Water #1 They get the bends # Interviewer: #2 {D: I'm get some wood} # Except I thought you got the bends from well it doesn't matter I thought you got it from breathing compressed air I didn't know fish could 289: Well see they're breathing their water and they're coming up you pull them up too fast and if you come in from a great depth you have to stop a different uh Interviewer: Slow 289: Slow it coming up and you know get your body used to the pressure {NW} About a mile of water and then as you come up but the fish can get the bends Interviewer: What do you call a um a day where there's just not a cloud in the sky it's a real 289: Clear Interviewer: Okay and and and uh and you look up you say it's it's a you just say it's a clear day or is it something 289: Bright day Not a cloud in the sky Interviewer: How about the other kind of day like in the winter time where it's just kind of overcast all day long 289: Overcast or it has a haze Interviewer: So it'd be a what a 289: Hazy day Interviewer: Would you call it that 289: No Interviewer: You say it's a you look out and it just looks gray 289: Looks ick Interviewer: yeah 289: #1 No # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 289: sun's out Interviewer: It's cool would ever say it's a what kind of day would you it's a 289: Miserable day that's about it Interviewer: Okay how about uh uh if if uh uh if it's been fair 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Like this morning and clouds are coming in 289: #1 Comes in # Interviewer: #2 rapidly # You'd say the weather is 289: Building up Interviewer: Okay and uh how about the opposite if it's been raining real hard 289: It's cleared off Interviewer: Okay 289: It's moved off the island Interviewer: Okay so you said the weather is 289: Clear Interviewer: Okay and uh talked about heavy rains how about no uh northers are basically in the winter what months do northers 289: Northers Interviewer: When do you have those 289: Um Sometimes we don't get our first norther until December Christmas #1 Some # Interviewer: #2 you get # 289: times we don't even get them until January sometimes we might get them in October Interviewer: Can you get them after January 289: Yeah we might get them up in into Ma- uh February March Interviewer: Ever have 289: See we don't have very much of a winter here Last year I think we had ten {NW} Cool days That was it And When the uh cold weather comes in It's never That cold no longer than five or six days and then it moves back out again Interviewer: What months are the hurricane season 289: Hurricane season starts June first and goes {X} Into uh Think November Interviewer: So it'd be June and November okay and it just starts in June you don't have two seasons 289: No just one's one Interviewer: Alright and uh if the wind's been real gentle 289: Mm-hmm #1 it's calm # Interviewer: #2 alright # Okay and it starts it starts getting stronger gradually you say it's doing what 289: Starting to blow Interviewer: Okay and uh if just the opposite it's been blowing it's 289: Calmed Interviewer: #1 And it's # 289: #2 Col- # Clear Interviewer: Alright but it's been blowing it's gradually uh 289: Calming down Interviewer: Okay okay and uh like in the winter when you got a norther out here let's say it's fifty outside 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: You walk outside and say 289: It's freezing Interviewer: Okay or let's say it's fifty-five or sixty that's like 289: It's still {NW} Still cold out Interviewer: Alright you might go out let's say you go out and it's cool 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: And it's not really cold enough to you might go in and say I think I'll put a sweater on it's kind of 289: It's a little airy A little airish Interviewer: Alright and uh uh what do you call a wind that's facing that direction anything special 289: That's a s- no south wind's coming from the south Interviewer: And over here 289: Be sou- well if it's coming from that corner it'd be southeast Interviewer: And does that mean anything do you ever get certain kinds of storms from those directions as {X} Like a norther's a cold do you ever get anything from those 289: Generally a lot of your hurricanes are going to come from off of Africa so that would be what the south East {NW} Off um of Honduras so that'd be a southwest direction So it'd be traveling that way Interviewer: The um well okay I most they don't come from the gulf 289: That's what I mean the Yucatan #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 oh # 289: Central America British Honduras and down that way they come in the gulf way Interviewer: {X} 289: See a lot of them come from the coast of Africa and then some of 'em come in from the Yucatan Peninsula and and British Honduras and the rest they come up that way Interviewer: Okay the um um what I'm just unwinding right now so anything you want to say just say it because I've covered everything I really want to cover the um you were talking about like the the natives have uh uh natives meaning 289: #1 Key West is conchs # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Yeah avoid Duval Street because of the tourists or because of the hipsters 289: Hippies Interviewer: And um like what about that whole end of the island it's just it's just the shopping center this is the residential area right here is this the area that you're talking about the people kind of stay out in this area or 289: Um most Key West people will stay away from Duval Street now that used to be a main street {NW} On Saturdays that place was crowded you'd see everybody that you haven't seen for a week Interviewer: It looks like it's been a little run 289: But since about nineteen sixty-five when the hippies started traveling in And the police didn't do anything about them they just let them come and come and come {NW} It just got to be a bad neighborhood because that's where they'd hang out And right now they just really hang out if you go down Duval street near Mallory square and everything {NW} At night time when the sun sets you'll see long hair sitting out there you see a tourist you know {D: leviathan} but you'll see the hippies down there doing their sun dance cause the sun's setting Interviewer: Mm-hmm 289: {D: And let's put it this way} We do have beautiful sunsets Interviewer: Nice 289: but that's where they hang out Interviewer: Mallory Square's down here 289: Yeah Interviewer: Alright 289: Uh-huh Interviewer: Where's uh uh the most exposed part of the island as far as the weather goes 289: to get the bad weather Interviewer: I mean it can really do some damage if it came in if something came in 289: If it comes in um Garrison Bight in here All along the Atlantic beaches Interviewer: Down here 289: cause it floods in Interviewer: Uh 289: See most of this land in here I would say anywhere from um Truman And okay let's make it from uh Yeah it's straight out It's filled in land Anything from about White Street out is filled in land Interviewer: From United oh I didn't know that 289: Mm-hmm {NW} Which is here out here this is Flagler Street where the high school's at right now right in here should be Near twenty-one hundred block Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 289: #2 {NW} # All this used to be salt ponds Interviewer: Like these 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Okay 289: And that's where they used to get the salt #1 from # Interviewer: #2 here's united # Okay so you're saying that everything from here out was filled in 289: It's been Practically filled in yeah #1 that area # Interviewer: #2 so this # is 289: This area will flood if it downpours heavy in rain You'll have flooded streets Because of the drainage Interviewer: Yeah I noticed there was some uh 289: #1 Big puddles # Interviewer: #2 big like those # Yeah so this is the old part of the island 289: Yeah and this section oh say from Duval {NW} To White And from Caroline {NW} Interviewer: Truman 289: To Truman I would say is your old section of town You know hones- I'd even go up as far as Whitehead {NW} And I think on Margaret Street area is your highest Well I live in Fleming Street so that's probably the highest elevation Interviewer: Yes someone told me 289: #1 The # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 289: cemetery is safe #1 too # Interviewer: #2 is # The high yeah now well let me you live what right down here 289: Yeah in the very last block at the fourth house Interviewer: Right there 289: Right Interviewer: Okay so when I mark you I'm going to have a map just like this that I'll send with the tape and I'll mark your address and uh see okay the uh yeah I was just interested in this so so and the first naval base is where where 289: Okay There's a naval yard down here #1 the US # Interviewer: #2 {D: so} # 289: naval station it used to be the subs Interviewer: Yeah they don't have them there anymore 289: No they've been pulled out {NW} Okay and here you have it says US naval station annex that used to be In here w- in this {D: water wall} This is {NW} And over here coming out Six o'clock there used to be lemon fields {NW} For seaplanes Interviewer: Mm-hmm 289: So it was called a seaplane base when I was little then they changed it to the heliport cause they had the helicopter squad in there {NW} Now the a- I think the army's taken it over Okay and out on Fleming Key they have hawk missile sites Okay then Sigsbee park is all your government housing Interviewer: Is that now is 289: That's navy Interviewer: {X} 289: Uh yeah That was I think as far as I know that was like mangroves they just started filling in filling in filling in Okay and then you got your airport And Boca Chica they have um Interviewer: Where's the junior college is that on Boca Chica 289: No Yeah uh it's out this way It's near Key Haven in Key Haven Interviewer: So it's one key over 289: Yeah first key over no The first key over is Stock Island then you'll see another thing where it's been filled in Where the hospital and Key Haven's at that's all filled in That was mangroves They filled it in Interviewer: Okay so actually this is 289: Yeah that's what the high section of town Interviewer: And the highest 289: That's about where you'll find a lot of people who have wells in their yard Well water Interviewer: Mister Higgs he lives over here on south which is where 289: Okay uh Truman {NW} Interviewer: I know it's in the area of white where is it 289: Seminary Here south #1 street it's this one # Interviewer: #2 yeah there it is # 289: mm-hmm Interviewer: He lives right there 289: Mm-hmm Interviewer: He has a well I know I tasted some the water off of it just clearest thing he brought out a glass of well water and a glass of city water I could tell the difference 289: Yeah #1 And # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 289: it's good for your hair Well water and rain water #1 If you can catch # Interviewer: #2 but it's so # 289: it it's great Interviewer: So it's not really spring water it's uh it's rain water that's drained into the ground 289: That I couldn't tell you Interviewer: Oh okay well uh I enjoyed this 289: Mm-hmm it's my pleasure Interviewer: And I'm sorry it took well I guess it didn't take it took about twenty minutes more than I thought 289: No It's alright Interviewer: And uh yeah this is uh and it's I think I got a lot of critical information so I'll uh um make sure to uh put down your address here let's do it now uh 289: Atwell Interviewer: Well who's Atwood oh that's uh Berlin's middle name 289: Hmm Interviewer: Berlin Atwood Sawyer that's where I picked that up and that's eleven ten 289: Eleven ten Fleming Interviewer: Okay 289: We used to be you know remember that uh guy who used to do a lot of horror movies Lionel Atwell Interviewer: Oh yeah 289: He was He's in our family tree And his last name used to be Atwell {NW} But he changed it when he came over from England {NW} To Atwell so the ones that had the E in it In the Key West area couldn't say w- we were related to him Interviewer: Oh 289: But he didn't get to be that #1 famous movie star # Interviewer: #2 yeah did # 289: anyway Interviewer: What kind of 289: he did the horr- a lot of horrors the Frankensteins and Draculas Things like that Interviewer: You mean like yeah okay 289: I don't even remember too much of what he looked like #1 no # Interviewer: #2 yeah did you ever you # Ever see him 289: Not in person #1 just in the movies # Interviewer: #2 and you haven't seen the # Movies 289: Yeah The old Frankensteins way back Interviewer: Okay