Interviewer: {NS} {NW} Okay um your full name 303: Mr. {B} Interviewer: How do you spell that last name {B} 303: {B} S-P-R-L-I-N-D #1 Sprlind # Interviewer: #2 Okay # um and your address? 303: {B} {B} {NS} {B} Interviewer: and {NS} Um this county 303: yes Interviewer: okay they're the same? 303: yes state Interviewer: uh-huh cause 303: {D: Wilkie} {NW} Interviewer: okay um #1 and um # 303: #2 wh- # Interviewer: huh? 303: of water Interviewer: Okay and where were you born again? 303: I was born in in Wilson-Portervilleson County on the line called {D: barrack} base white people black back in the hall Interviewer: uh-huh 303: six may often speak Interviewer: The trials were where? 303: Statesville S-T-A- Interviewer: Yeah Statesville 303: Statesville Interviewer: Okay and what did you say that was called the-? 303: the {D:barrack hall} Interviewer: the bear? 303: {D: holler} Interviewer: uh-huh 303: the barrack back in the corner back in that at that time Interviewer: uh-huh 303: like the {NS} Interviewer: mm-kay and How old are you? 303: I'm coming {D:I'm sixty-nine} hmm seventy-eight or am I eighty? seventy-nine Interviewer: mm-kay and what work have you done? 303: I farm most of the time Interviewer: mm-hmm anything else? 303: well I raise corn and {D: care 'em} Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} 303: and hogs Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: turkeys bunch of turkeys Interviewer: okay 303: about th- thirty or forty is the turkeys and about a hundred chicken Interviewer: uh-huh okay um What church do you go to? 303: mm what church? Baptist Interviewer: okay and um How far did you get in school? 303: well just tell you the truth I just went three days through my life I can read a little and write a little and figure a little three days {D: he was going} {NS} on on helped helped him {X} a pretty good family Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and I hard out at at uh twenty-five cents a week Interviewer: yeah 303: that's when I hard out for Interviewer: yeah it's just for people just for people around this county? 303: um no and Statesville Interviewer: Statesville? 303: who I hard out at Interviewer: uh-huh 303: I was living there then Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: I done list the very place {NS} and uh help us work the little children's homes about ten of us Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh then at the gr- grown {D: Thomas} working Mr. J-J Joe a white person another one uh {X} and a quarter a day when I was ten {X} gonna live a little 'til I got a little older {X} a little {X} more at dinner Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and that's anything else Interviewer: You stopped around his farm? 303: I did Interviewer: You used to help him around his farm? 303: yes ma'am yes ma'am I helped him way h- he raised corn Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: hogs and cattle but I just gonna {D: sharecrop} work there ten to they wouldn't mind that time Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: {X} when I bought the neighbor buying their farm while the I guess you got that first uh that damn thingy Interviewer: mm-hmm yeah it's down I don't have to write all this down 303: oh alright then Interviewer: um {NS} okay so tell me {NS} about um {NS} see have you ever been active in church or active in any clubs or done like travel 303: no I have not done too much traveling I've been out of state two or three times down in the little North Kentucky Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh uh I call it North {NS} for the in-house state Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} okay and um {NS} 303: I worked in the coal mine four years in Kentucky {D: Irvington} Kentucky I worked there four years under the ground {D: I worked} nine miles under the ground I got started {D: but then I got scared} I quit Interviewer: mm-hmm How old were you then? 303: I was about twenty-five year old Interviewer: mm-hmm Where in Kentucky was that? 303: {D: Irvington} Kentucky Interviewer: Ir- 303: {D: Irvington} Kentucky {D: Irving-} {NS} Interviewer: okay um Tell me a little about your parents Where were they born in? 303: well my wife oh you you talking about my parents now uh Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: my parents I was born in uh {NS} not Smithville but down towards Smithville I would say what do they call it {NS} my mother was b- born in Statesville of course she was born and my daddy was born in a different place {NW} I can't even think of the place where he was born Interviewer: Where was it close to? 303: it was close to uh {D: Smack Mound} Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: no I I'll tell you about where he was born the place be called Let's see what is it not Woodbury uh I can't think of it right now {NW} {X} It's this side of {D: Micmineral} but I can't think of the place wh- what they called it Interviewer: Do you know which county it was in? 303: No Not for sure I don't know where the {X} in Bedford County and uh {NS} this side of Woodbury {D: dad had called} sm- Liberty #1 yeah Liberty # Interviewer: #2 liberty? # 303: Liberty He was born down in Liberty Interviewer: okay 303: Liberty Liberty Tennessee Interviewer: yeah and How far in school did your mother get? 303: My mother? Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: well she got in about third or fourth grade Interviewer: mm-hmm What about your father? 303: about the same thing {NS} Interviewer: mm-kay Now what work did they do? 303: Well my mother {NS} uh washed for white people and uh ironed and clean up Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and sewed for 'em sewed sewed {X} clothes made clothes for the white people colored too and {NS} Interviewer: What about your father? 303: well uh {NW} he didn't he didn't do much he he was he was a fellow wasn't afraid of nobody he Interviewer: Who wouldn't what? 303: h- he he felt he's too good to work Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and eh course he stayed at home that's why u- us children put out the work you know cooking together big and uh course he did keep the family going like you ought to Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and so I saw why he stayed and everything Interviewer: okay now now Could you tell me a little bit about your mother's parents? Where they were born What work they did and so forth 303: W- Well my mo- mother {D: turned} uh born in I believe heard they was born in Smiths- Smiths County Interviewer: mm-hmm What about her mother? 303: I think she come from same place Interviewer: okay Did they get any education? 303: why n- no the amount of anything they got hi- high as about third or fourth grade Interviewer: okay 303: ju- just three months schooling and then {NS} they uh then {X} no more so almost through was three months school Interviewer: mm-hmm or hmm? 303: huh? Interviewer: Were you gonna say something? 303: I had uh just three months school #1 when I come up # Interviewer: #2 yeah I he- # 303: that's all they had mm like {NW} {NS} they just had three months yeah we Interviewer: yeah what um what work did they do? {NS} 303: my mo- my mo- my daddy Interviewer: mm-hmm yeah or 303: or my mother? Interviewer: the the grandparents 303: oh uh Interviewer: your mother's parents 303: oh yeah well {NS} they {NS} they di- done the same thing my mother did corn and carefully did the sewing uh Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: they work for white people and uh {NS} and uh washed and ironed and cleaned up but now they wasn't smart enough to sew my mother smart enough to make anything that she wanted {NS} even down there making my shorts making my daddy shorts making pants it looked just like uh real {D: back county you done remembered} they had the what you called 'em uh jeans {NS} the old pairs of plain jeans and just a thick piece of cloth and a brown stiff Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: so like looking {D: over her} how she {X} {X} what come there around that people that know her come to her but that's all {NS} here that's my mother not me now these others washed ironed cleaned up and {NS} and uh {NS} I think that's about the end of it Interviewer: That was your grandmother? 303: yeah that's her grandm- yes Interviewer: uh-huh what about your grandfather? 303: in about the same thing and wh- when we uh ah he he had a I think he had a farm Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and he he farmed Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} What about your father's parents? 303: My father's parents? Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: You mean my daddy's grandpapa? well h- he he is uh Martin Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: his name is Martin Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and he owned a farm down at Liberty back up on the Sycamore Bluff Sycamore Creek Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and he farmed it there course he he raised cattle and hogs and sheep and everything together he was pretty pretty wealthy he was uh there was my daddy now uh and my grandpa Interviewer: uh-huh what about your grandmother? 303: well about the same thing does the {D: farming} washing ironing Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: cleaning up Interviewer: Where were they born? 303: {NW} Liberty Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} Do you know where they came where your relatives came from before that? Can you trace it further back than- 303: no I can't {NS} I can't trace it back no further {NS} Interviewer: Were you ever married? {NS} 303: mm? {NS} Interviewer: Were you ever married? 303: I've been married {D: before} Interviewer: uh-huh 303: {NW} I- Interviewer: Tell me something about your wife. {NS} 303: my wife {NS} is uh {NS} s- s- seventy-six years old and she washed {NS} clean up paint do anything around the house a wife could Interviewer: uh-huh 303: then uh she sewed a lot {NS} {X} Interviewer: uh-huh is she she's still alive? 303: huh? Interviewer: she's still alive? {NS} 303: October {NS} October first twe- twenty first nineteen yeah seventy-three {NS} {X} Interviewer: Wait nineteen seventy-two you mean? 303: mm-hmm she's been dead about seven months Interviewer: uh-huh How old was she? 303: sixty-seven uh uh no seventy seventy-six Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 303: Yeah she was a good woman took her soul with her from black and white Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and {D: from earth she went} where where she lived she was seventy-one for be a colored woman there wasn't any other one round here in this {X} she could please anybody she was good and kind and uh I was married with her fifty-two years Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and never caught her in a in a story in my life never caught her in a stor- I no no kind Interviewer: She never went in a store? {NS} 303: huh? Interviewer: that's what What was that you said? never caught her in a? 303: I never caught her in a story #1 telling # Interviewer: #2 ah I see # 303: filth and uh it's like telling some say that one of those things right here Ms. Nelson think right you telling a lie that's what I mean by that Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and I never caught her in it in that the whole fifty- three years I was married Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 303: and she was {D: accepted} woman the white people cabled where she lived {NS} {NS} Interviewer: What church did she go to? 303: the Baptist church Interviewer: uh-huh and how far did she get in school? 303: well she got about third grade {NS} she could read and write and {NS} and spell and {NS} just out spell me and out read me she was reading and uh I can't hardly read the like of writing and reading letters Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: but she was reading the things she picked up and I guess she was third third grade {NS} and we have a daughter I've got a daughter forty forty-four years old Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} 303: and uh while she was going to school up here she learned her and her arithmetic {NS} and uh and uh reading and rith- and arithmetic and uh {D: once she told me} a little bit side {X} {NS} she learned how to do math and I don't know how she do but she did Interviewer: yeah 303: now my g- daughter's in Smithsville Interviewer: uh-huh 303: she's teaching school up there now she's married {NS} she she had a {D: misfit} at seven- no {D: misfit} at {D: seven} with her and then she when she had seen {X} this {D: student} {NS} Interviewer: okay um now what's the house that that you grew up in what did that look like? 303: The house? Interviewer: Yeah I'd like to sort of make a floor plan of it 303: oh it's a a cedar house Interviewer: uh-huh 303: a- and {D: must be} one two three four rooms cedar house Interviewer: uh-huh what Let's see if- if we can draw it now what um {NS} 303: {D: it's made} Interviewer: What shapes? or 303: it is made sort of s- square shaped Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and it has a it had a kitchen Interviewer: uh-huh 303: then it had a {NS} bedroom in the back of the house Interviewer: Where where was the kitchen then? 303: Th- the kitchen was on the side of the house the back of this was the front here Interviewer: this? 303: and the this was the front and this was the back side of the house but they had another room cut off back- back of the house Interviewer: cut see just sort of 303: alright {D: oh boy} {NW} {D: one in the drawer} you know I never was much of a drawer mm-hmm {D: can't tell} {X} {NS} {X} Interviewer: That's a wall there? {NS} 303: {D: the room was} back here and uh this was the front room this was the back room Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and then uh kitchen {NS} {D: coming} back here {NS} and uh {NS} it had a door from back go in the kitchen right here went in the kitchen Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh the kitchen started about the middle of the door and {X} into the house here Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and the kitchen and dining room {D: are together} sorta thataway Interviewer: okay 303: and go straight in there {NS} Interviewer: let's see um it came out then like 303: yes ma'am that's right Interviewer: like this? 303: that is the kitchen is big enough for to have cooking this end of it stove is back in that vicinity Interviewer: {X} 303: and the door come in through this m- main room here into the kitchen {NS} Interviewer: okay um this was the front room this- 303: uh yes Interviewer: #1 back room? # 303: #2 back room # Interviewer: What was this? the kitchen and then Was there another room? 303: {X} {D: four?} Interviewer: No this is just three 303: Let's see Interviewer: Was there a wall here? 303: No let's see main room the back room and the kitchen and the dining room there was a d- {X} dining room {X} dining room there back there behind for when we set tea Interviewer: Was this did this room #1 go all the way back to here? # 303: #2 n- n- n- # no it stopped Interviewer: uh-huh 303: fo- for guy out there stopped short he Interviewer: uh-huh 303: he big enough to for the kitchen w- {X} {D: coats} back in {X} Interviewer: uh-huh Which were these rooms all about the same size? 303: {NW} no uh the two front {D: of them} the two front {X} the front an- and the back are about the same size pretty good size Interviewer: mm-hmm and How much bigger was that than the kitchen? 303: How much bigger? #1 oh about # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 303: they was about six a- six feet anyhow six or eight feet there bigger Interviewer: Six or eight feet longer? 303: y- y- you talking about this ain't you? Interviewer: yeah for the front room? 303: {X} h- he wasn't big as it these rooms this room here these the two biggest rooms right there {NS} Interviewer: okay um {NS} had {NS} and this is the front here? where was the- where was the door? 303: right along here in the middle Interviewer: okay and it Did it lead out onto anything? 303: no uh it had a little porch over it stuck out over it about eight feet come out over the door at the back of the house Interviewer: okay and um h- How did you get heat? How did you keep the house warm? 303: well it was coal um a no it was wood {D: we never bought} no coal Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: wood barely {NS} stove in the house {D: but we opened it} {D: old} {X} go through this and open the door and go in there and open {D: it long} {X} wide open that door and then when we get ready to go to bed it get hot in there Interviewer: wh- where would you go to bed? 303: What was you saying? Interviewer: Where- Where would you sleep? 303: We slept in here had two beds one on this side of the corner one on the other side of the corner two big beds in there pretty good size for the house Interviewer: So what what would you call this room? 303: Well I call it the bedroom {NS} Interviewer: okay {NS} and you say it had ten? How many children in the house? 303: There was ten children Interviewer: ten children okay um {NS} okay now talk to me about um {NS} you had a fireplace? 303: yes ma'am {D: I like} {X} that's old time Interviewer: yes 303: yeah we had a fireplace {D: we smoke its} {X} and always {X} didn't have to have that no spit cups no nothing and {D: going} burn up a rag or something just put it in the fireplace Interviewer: yeah 303: {NW} we use it to uh {X} for a few years and about thirty years Interviewer: uh-huh 303: yeah {D: put that in} in the hole yeah put that in {D: went the} burn it in the stove Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: a coal stove and a wood stove Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and and go back to the fireplace for more {NS} fireplace {X} now Interviewer: yeah 303: um but but now I what they call uh {NW} call it uh he hadn't we burned coal in a {D: basket} {X} what they call that {NS} the white people started that first Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and the darks they took it the I've got one of them down there in my shop now It's a little basket about like it could fit fit in a chimney to the back side {NS} and then uh {X} {X} corn and make your farm {X} and you put about {X} on it and {X} coal or wood because the house was built pretty tight to keep it warm all day Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: {X} you have to build another fire Interviewer: mm-hmm on the fireplace what um What would you call the {NS} the s- shaft that would come out on the floor 303: um {X} Interviewer: um {NS} You know you might have a um {NS} um did you ever do any cooking on the fireplace? 303: yes ma'am Interviewer: how- how'd you do that? 303: well we got a skillet put 'em on the stove let 'em get hot Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: on the fireplace I meant we cooked sweet potatoes we had a old time there what the oven with a with a top on it we cooked sweet potatoes we burn up wood and uh get a lot of coal and put it out on the fireplace fireplace with rocks Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and pull 'em out there when they got hot grease it {D: tease 'em} wash 'em and grease 'em Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and put 'em in there the oven and an- an- take uh pour and I got one in there now cross that long got a crook on it this way kicking their grain bring that in and sit it on the the oven Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh after you do that you take your shovel and get you some {D: corn} and put on the all the way around it like that to keep it hot and not let it first place you'd put it in the fireplace lay it on top of the wood let it get hot start anyhow and what it takes so much coal out here they cook the taters and they cook taters about a hour and and fifteen minutes and if you had a kettle of taters in there about that deep Interviewer: uh-huh 303: cook 'em in there an uh hour and a half Interviewer: uh-huh what um you mentioned I think the that place on the floor 303: no it was on the you see it's got a hearth Interviewer: I see 303: and the hearth is uh about four foot or some of it is and then so you yo- you have the fireplace up here and put you oven out here on the fireplace then tin on the wood on the floor and mm yo- you cooked it some and then when you got some bread made up you have another little lid on it then and you bring it out and do it the same way uh except on the far side to get it started {X} and when the gauge put your coal out here on the hearth and call it a hearth that's the name of it and when you put your coal out there and then put your skillet down on it Interviewer: uh-huh 303: then you had your bread made up made in {X} if you want to a little round {X} just like cooking you've seen 'em I imagine and you put 'em in there one two three if uh if it wasn't wide enough to hold but three Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: that's all you'd put in it and uh you get back over there and get you take you pour Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: uh call it the oven pour and uh he's sitting on the you can't take it off with a rag cuz it's red hot Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: it uh reach in there and get it take it out of the fireplace put th- put the right on top of here the bread Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and then get you few more coals and put on it wander off and do something else and uh about fifty th- thirty five thirty-five minutes Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: it'd be done {NS} in about thirty-five minutes then you go back and and get you plate take it out on it and set it on the stools to keep warm when the beans cabbage and things and cook them first Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh after you cook the cabbage and the beans while we got your bread done you be ready for dinner Interviewer: perfect um okay if you were gonna huh? 303: oh a miss I don't say nothing Interviewer: oh if um if you were gonna build a fire you know you take some kindling and then you'd What would you call the things that you lay the wood across on? 303: dog iron Interviewer: okay 303: a dog iron I got two down here and there and some about been a good time to buy 'em Interviewer: Oh really? 303: and I woulda sell 'em dog iron uh some call it uh they have another name for it but I can't think of it Interviewer: {D: ever hear it} fire it? fire it 303: no but uh {NS} let's see {NS} dog iron and uh they had a straight iron {NS} well and a hook on it when it boiling them cabbages Interviewer: uh-huh 303: yo- {NW} had your fire down here Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and this hook come right across the chimney Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: this this here iron with little hooks on it back there we just hang 'em on and when you get ready to cook your cabbage and beans in the thing uh you get 'em ready and wash 'em and clean 'em and put it on that hook and let it hang there Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and that fire would cook the cabbage if you had two pots you'd put another hook on it and then if you had three pots you'd put another hook on it {D: so it's about} some some {X} about like {D: cats} you see why you put the Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: the pots between them but they never have that much at one time or two or three pots at a time that's cabbage up beans or a roasted chicken you boil a chicken uh boiling beans or you just put on that hook hang it over far {D: of course the beef} when you put the hook is {D: no registered cross} they're ready for that {D: visit} Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and when it got in it you could take your you had a sp- spoon there cuz {D: what time they clean the corn} other people {X} {D: bigger dipper} and just it down there take a look and see what is done uh and if it's done you put it back and uh take your hand he- Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: because that {X} turn in my hooks are loose and just take it to this the- take the whole the pot and lift it over that oven come on down {NS} eh and going that's uh in uh room at the table and uh pour it out fixed it up get your bread ready {X} ready for dinner Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: right then and if you had m- made coffee every morning for coffee then got in there and they parched their own coffee green color Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and took out some coal put it on the hearth {NS} then they'd get the skillet {NS} Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and set on there and an- and uh what is it's just like popping popcorn in a way they don't do that no more now they got the electric poppers now and uh when you let's see uh how'd that go {NS} {NS} oh yeah you just uh you just get it hot down here first Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: get it sort of started you would pick your cream and coffee out of a sack that had a dipper dip it out of the sack Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: tof- tof- {D: tofe} sack is {D: looking} {X} them what to call it now Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and dip out a cup two cups or th- or three cups if you had a big family take about two or three cups and if you had a light family well then more than about a half a cup or one cup or two and you put the tin in this just like you do with sweet potatoes oh and you and you put this here lid and get heat 'til real hot and this one don't w- want to be as hot as the {D: goblet} and then they're roasting their coffee now and you put that old {X} 'til they come in popping {NS} and they coming popping you raised up and see how it's been doing and hold that thing with a that a {D: copper} lid and stirred coffee hold so I can keep 'em from popping out just like popcorn you put popcorn in a skillet Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: now if you ain't got a lid on it it'll all pop out Interviewer: yeah 303: well that's just the way that coffee {X} it might pop out Interviewer: and you get the lid hotter than the bottom of the skillet? 303: uh- ye- yeah you've got you've got to have the lid hotter than they do the bottom bottom wants to be h- warm pretty hot but it want the top of 'em on there makes it popping and uh cook b- better in the furnace course they learned it the old people learned this what to do and that's just what they done {NS} Interviewer: okay if were building fires what type of of big piece of wood and put it at the back and have it burn for a long time 303: yeah yeah and you put a what they call it a back stick Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} 303: if you want {X} didn't want to be fooling with wood all the time you cut a cut a back stick aw so long big enough to be pr- pretty {D: picked} than a twig twig except they can and lay it pull ashes back back this way toward the front Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and just have a little bed to lay it in Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: then push a- ashes back under put your front stick out here on the dog iron get your kindling put under here Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: put a match to it and you got a fire and that Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: that back log make it throw out heat that's all it's for and of course it'll burn keep i- it but that's what it's for keep from burning so much wood Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: you don't burn half as much wood that way Interviewer: Okay um What do you call the the black stuff that forms in the chimney? {NS} 303: Soot Interviewer: mm-kay and you just clean that out regularly? 303: n- never clean it out almost a year Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: you don't clean it out much 'til it's {D: straight up} but each time you set it on the {NS} on the the uh 'un- smooth rock sticks out and falls on it catches sometimes the uh hook Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: well now when it does that {NS} you get you some {NS} paper {X} {X} them and uh you put it down there in th- at the mouth of the fireplace Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: strike a match to it {NS} then uh have to strike a match to it let it get to burning pretty good then you you lay there {NS} what do they call it? {X} in the th- the {D: smothered} to make 'em whenever got to burning {D: like} make a blast Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and then {D: that} cuts off shut it all out {NS} when it done that well this board uh this is a coal {NS} chimney board {NS} {D: and then they just turn the board} over and uh when it got burned {X} and do more damage when it means a little blast when means a blast Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and when you took this down what course does this seven eight in the day and when {D: Horace} w- w- heard it and boughted it {D: Jordan} wh- it's all down hill {X} a bushel or a basket or either and of course you're gonna get your shovel shovel that {D: duck} and all that stuff that fell Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: took it out and put it in the hot {X} put it on the ground and it will {NS} get {D: shedded} {NS} Interviewer: Put it in the hopper? 303: oh no I doubt you gonna you gonna make a lot like the old people used to make a lot Interviewer: uh-huh 303: to make soap with my mother made many {X} and soap and uh you make what they called a lye soap Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: where you {X} the skin and uh {X} get or when the you ma- they had a hopper Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: you take these ashes out and put them in the hopper made up just in a {X} fashion Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and this trough run down here straight trough and the planks run that down the side of it right into middle of this trough Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and when there w- it got to running why them planks the edge there right in the trough and run right down just here run out down here put your bucket down there and catch that lye took it back into soap where your soap was where you had your fire making soap Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and put so many gallons {NS} in the {X} the amount of pounds of meat that you pu- uh grease that you put in there and uh if you if you got too much then you get another one and make good soap Interviewer: {NS} mm-hmm let's see um okay then the shelf that would go across the top of the fireplace What would you call that? 303: mantle Interviewer: mm-kay 303: the mantle Interviewer: and okay you mentioned a chimney 303: hmm? Interviewer: You mentioned a chimney? 303: Yes ma'am I think I did didn't I? Interviewer: okay um what about at a at a factory if you saw something similar to that in a factory 303: in a factory Interviewer: Uh-huh Would you call it a chimney or would you use a different name? 303: Well I think I'd use a different name because it's uh {D: rights} more different Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and the way {NS} it's uh- it's the thing the factory mills a something like that that carries the smoke Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: it's a lot bigger you see Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: {NW} and uh pipe that carries it for them big mills {NS} big around as I am or bigger and uh it takes that to the sits the pipe uh to take that but uh just ordinary uh business for it for a stove a kitchen stove Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: offer a {D: molasses} mill pipe Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: of course it'd be six s- uh s- six inches in diameter six inches across that'd be s- that would be six by six Interviewer: What'd that be for? {NW} 303: that's for {D: sod and} mill I use a stove a kitchen stove so oven mill I use a kitchen stove Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} Did you ever hear of a smoke stack? 303: uh-huh Interviewer: smoke stacks? 303: Yeah I've heard of it yes ma'am but I I don't reckon I ever seen what's called a smoke stack I've heard of i- heard of it Interviewer: uh-huh 303: but I've never seen one Interviewer: mm-kay um Okay so what about furniture now? What would you call that thing that you're sitting in? You call that a-? 303: I call that a uh it ain't a ki- kitchen chair {NS} I don't know what you might call it Interviewer: okay but just okay you said chair is that 303: chair chair yes it's a chair alright but I can't tell you Interviewer: okay 303: what's the name of it Interviewer: What would you call this thing that I'm sitting on? 303: a double bed or a couch Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: double bed couch Interviewer: it folds up? 303: yes ma'am Interviewer: okay um what what about any other names for something like a couch? 303: well I would rather a straight bed I was thinking or either a mattress cot Interviewer: a mattress what? 303: cot Interviewer: uh-huh 303: about just enough for one to sleep in Interviewer: uh-huh 303: small bed Interviewer: yeah Would you call this a- a dav- 303: Devonette? Interviewer: uh-huh {NW} Is that something different? 303: That's something a little different Interviewer: How? 303: Couch Interviewer: What's a devonette like? 303: {NW} well I seen 'em bu- I can't hardly tell I've seen 'em Interviewer: Is it smaller or-? 303: uh I {X} some larger Interviewer: uh-huh 303: than that than that some larger I think Interviewer: Would yo- Would you ever call this a so- sofa? 303: Wha- you can call it a so- a so- a sofa uh where they be {X} but uh I- don't think this it's proper name for it {NS} Interviewer: What is a sofa? 303: Well a sof- sofa is is a {X} {NW} builder more {NS} we sit {NS} and build up about sixteen seventeen higher than that Interviewer: ah I see and that's called a- a- 303: sofa sofa Interviewer: okay um what What might you have in your bedroom with drawers in it to keep your clothes in? 303: a closet Interviewer: okay um that's built-in right? 303: built-in Interviewer: uh-huh 303: in in the wall Interviewer: What about something like that but that you can move around the room? 303: Well that's a dresser Interviewer: mm-kay 303: {X} over there Interviewer: That's got a {X} to it 303: yeah I just- {NS} I've got what they called I've got one in here Interviewer: uh-huh 303: Come in here and look at this one Interviewer: okay {NS} 303: if it's warm in here you get the other thing 'til it's exactly right they'd tell you Interviewer: uh-huh 303: but a man don't study the like a woman do about {NS} these things an- uh {NS} Interviewer: Did you ever hear that call a- You ever hear of a bureau or a chiffor- chifforobe? 303: chifforobe yes ma'am Interviewer: What's the chifforobe? 303: Well I just made up {NS} but uh {NS} sorta like a {X} I don't think it's got no glass in it s- so it's about fif- teen feet I think I got one in there Interviewer: uh-huh #1 gets # 303: #2 sure # Interviewer: that's 303: and yonder Interviewer: yeah 303: Do you see it? Interviewer: Yeah I noticed that 303: #1 Well look # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 303: on that side of it Interviewer: uh-huh 303: That's what I call a chifforobe {NS} Interviewer: Call what? 303: What'd you call it? You called it farm door Interviewer: What what did you say it was? 303: uh {NW} I done forgot now Interviewer: Chiff- 303: Chifforobe Interviewer: Ah I see Okay um And you can hang things up in it like you can do? 303: y- yes ma'am It's for Interviewer: uh-huh Do you ever heard of a wardrobe or a 303: Wardrobe Interviewer: clothes press or {NS} 303: a wardrobe yes ma'am I've heard of it and uh been around some a wardrobe but I w- I haven't got any Interviewer: mm-hmm What's What's that like? 303: {X} a wardrobe Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: oh it's a big {NS} square thing with a lid on it Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and it's about four foot high I reckon oh uh yes it's around four foot high with a big lid on it called it a wardrobe Interviewer: What What do you use it for? 303: put clothes in Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: or anything you want nice quilts {X} or anything {NS} {D: fellow bed} when people used to have a {X} {D: big back at the holder} that's moving about Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh then you gonna fill that wardrobe up {NS} Interviewer: okay um {NS} I was saying some tables and chairs and couches {X} 303: mm-hmm Interviewer: What do you call those? just you just call those {NS} {NS} 303: a table Interviewer: Yeah all the things that you have in the house you just call that the 303: well I- the eating table in there they have breakfast table Interviewer: uh-huh 303: but I ain't got no breakfast table {NS} {NW} {NS} {NW} Huh? {X}