303: Mm? Yes. It's a big difference cuz I {D: leaf in it} six foot long and about a foot I'll give you that too the- then. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: And you can make it as big as you want it to{NS} {X} a lot of put on the table and then cutting it {NW} something why that's what they're for {NS} {D: leaf.} It went in{NS} you pull it out{NS} lay that in there and seal it back up and then uh pegs in it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: When you push it up {NS} joined it into that other and it's just as close as you can get it #1 and just smooth level it # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 303: {X} Then {D: could} didn't want to use it while he take it out and wipe it off and set it in some nice place where it stays clean. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay um this is something that you might have in your windows you could pull down to keep the sun out. 303: Shades. Interviewer: Mm-kay. What about something that had little slats in it? 303: Well I {NS} I can't name that I know what it is but I can't name it. Interviewer: Okay but shades are just solid material. 303: It's solid. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay um. 303: {NW} Interviewer: And let's say the room at the top of the house just underneath the roof 303: {NW} Interviewer: what would you call that? 303: The eaves. The eaves. Interviewer: The eave? 303: The eaves. Interviewer: Is that part of the roof? 303: Uh n- that's the eave of the house. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Down to the bottom. Interviewer: What um what about a little room up there? 303: That'd be upstairs I've got no upstairs. I haven't but plenty people got 'em but I have. Interviewer: Yeah. But one that's not really upstairs it's just a small room and it's not it's not really a room exactly. 303: Well that- Interviewer: It's not really finished. 303: Uh I guess you'd call it oh I don't know I- {X} called but I- c- I can't unravel that for you. Interviewer: You ever head of an attic or a garret or a loft or? 303: Yeah. A- attic is uh I'd call it a hallway some call it a hallway. Interviewer: Upstairs? 303: No do- down in in in the living room yes. I have a little attic right there. Two doors on both sides and leads in here to the kitchen and leads me ba- back to that room back in there the bathroom. Interviewer: Uh-huh. So- 303: Well that's what you call a attic. I sleep in that some when it's real hot. I get out of bed and it's hot in here you can't stand night in this hot. Turn that thing on and leave you leave it thataway. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: {D: Now when it blowed my house} I come in {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: {X} blowed all the top off of my house after we had a storm here a while back. Interviewer: Mm. 303: And it blowed all the top off of the attic. Cost me five hundred dollars put the top back on. Interviewer: Yeah. 303: {X} {X} what you might say {X} it just h- h- it di- it didn't rain it just {D: pulled it} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: t- 'til you got it fixed. T- 'til it quit raining and then we gonna have it painted this year {D: show} whole house painted. And we will paint it a little bit deeper purple this room. I got to get somebody to paint it I can't paint overhead. Interviewer: Okay so an attic is something like a hall? 303: Yeah. Interviewer: It's downstairs? 303: Yes ma'am. Or you can have an attic upstairs. Now that hallway you don't {NS} {X} shut that middle door there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And put that stove on in yonder in the kitchen. And shut that door go in go in that uh room bathroom. And open that door in there then turn that {X} {D: here get you} you keep that room warm. Well that's what you call that by the fireplace. {D: And do that any time} a year. It seemed like it {D: used} {D: go over there and stand there} and you {D: feel air} that's what they call the attic. Interviewer: {X} 303: Uh. And if you had one of 'em upstairs it's like a {D: call hang-} some call it a hal- hallway. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh it's got two names. Interviewer: Okay um. What would you call a little room off the kitchen where you might keep your canned goods or extra dishes? 303: Well I'd call that a well ah well there's a building. {X} I don't know what they call it I got one in there but I can't tell you what it is. Interviewer: Do you ever hear of kitchen closet or pantry or safe or? 303: No pantry. It's an old time a pantry I've got one {D: no I saw} but I got some standing right outside it looks a lot like a pantry just look at it but it ain't it's- it's a case and uh that's in here it's built in I don't know what you might what it's called. Interviewer: A pantry is is 303: {X} Interviewer: a piece of furniture sort of? 303: Yeah {X} {X} my wife {X} before she left. Interviewer: This word pantry what did that mean? 303: Pantry I uh it's the {D: pantry} {D: I had nothing} {X} Interviewer: Is it a piece of furniture? 303: Yes ma'am. Furniture is m- made to put your your vessels in. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh I got another thing in out in {X} while it was in there {D: and I} our daughter's here yest- {D: yesterday she said uh} papa whatever you do don't you never sell that thing back there. Interviewer: Oh I noticed that #1 the thing that # 303: #2 {X} # Interviewer: the mirror? #1 {D: The thing there} # 303: #2 Uh yeah. # It's got a mirror. Yeah. And it's got the she's got it just as {X} {D: hundred} {D: different daisies} my daughter said now papa that is other day she said don't n- let nobody have it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: There's been a lot of people here buying uh it's uh {D: serious} if you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh that's what {X} say whatever you do don't sell it and I'll get a new room out yonder. It got uh-huh two hundred and fifty cans in there in in that room. And I ain't got nowhere to put 'em so I built a new room out yonder and they in there. Interviewer: You have cans or? 303: Yeah huh yes ma'am I never le- about two hundred and fifty. Interviewer: {NS} Cans of what? 303: Uh beans{NS} peas{NS} and and pear preserves apples. All such as that. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay um. What you call a lot of old worthless furniture and things just weren't any good to you for you anymore? 303: Uh well. I don't reckon {X} here round here. Interviewer: What might you call that though? 303: What? Interviewer: What might you call that though just something that's not good for anything? 303: Uh well. We know uh I've always said uh Miss Dellville always said anything around you has got to come in handy some day i- in seven years somebody come around and want to buy it you can say that now they used to bug you. Well way old wagon wheels. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And such as that. And so I kept mine some of 'em and sold sure enough I didn't think I was gonna get anything ol' old wagon wheel old buggy wheel and {X} such as that. I know some something about that{NS} but when you get in the house{NS} I don't know hardly how the name. Interviewer: Yeah. Would you use the junk or rubbish or trash or 303: #1 {D: what?} # Interviewer: #2 plunder- # some word like that? 303: Well uh I'd call it something like that in a way it's plunder uh junk. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: That's what I'd call it. #1 And # Interviewer: #2 What's- # the word plunder? Do you use that word? 303: Well plunder is something that- nobody hardly use this in the way. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: And that {X} taken to store it away somewhere haul away. Interviewer: Wh- where would they store it? 303: Well they didn't didn't have s- store it I reckon in the barn barn {D: chair room.} Or either{NS} they could take it and put it in the smokehouse or hang meat in back in the backside or to the side one and get it out of the way. Interviewer: Do you ever hear of a junk room or lumber room or plunder rooms store room? 303: Ye- ye- yeah. I've heard of that. Interviewer: What's that? 303: It's uh plunder um it's a place where you got something that you wanna keep and wanna know where it's at when you pick it up. You have a place you can call it a plunder room. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: You put it and when you go back there it's it's it's {X} that you- all you gotta do it pick it up you know where- where you put it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And that's what they call a plunder room. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And um. Talking about the work that a woman would do um now she was sweeping the floor and dusting and so forth what would you say she was doing? 303: I'd say she was cleaning up. Interviewer: Okay. And um the thing that she'd sweep with what would you call that? 303: A broom. Or a mop. Interviewer: Okay. 303: It'd be a sweeping up or mopping up. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And if the broom was in the corner um oh like that one there and then you had the door open so you couldn't see the broom you'd say that the broom was? 303: Behind the door. Interviewer: Okay. And um years ago on Monday what then usually kids do what kind of work? 303: Well. Then the women don't work like they used t- I mean they didn't work like they do today. The women works just like the men they got jobs public jobs. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Back has then they didn't have no jobs but their jobs then was back out. White women near us had farms and had uh chicken had turkeys to tend to. Then uh they sold their eggs and bought the groceries. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And if they had any left they'd save it. And th- h- the white women didn't have no jobs at that time. Only job at home tending to the children. And getting gathering eggs raising chickens. And raising turkeys. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh did some in the the women just like my mother. {X} They sold to make clothes for the for everybody anybody that wanted it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Or either quilted they used to have a quilting uh the in the hall {D: over with us} four or five families. They'd meet some night evening after you got supper and sit down late and gossip and uh. What they call knitting a quilt. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Making a quilt. Spread. Spread it over the bed. And then tomorrow night this woman she go on and help this woman. That woman the next night over here there piddling and they didn't call for nothing to do that and they they have call for they drinking on tea or something like that. Few cakes something. And they they lay in the drawing room. They done that. Then the white women course when they're sewed there's a whole lot of that done. White women a lot of them. They're sold and when they made their money of course they use it like they want to. They sold to anybody they wanted to. And that's that's {X} And uh she tell him what she make a sheet for her or him a sheet for her. Him a quilt or make a quilt. Or make a bedspread anything that she'd tell him and go on and make it. Interviewer: Okay um. Say if you had a two-story house how would you get from the first floor up to the second floor? 303: They have uh stairs. Interviewer: Okay. Um. Would you use the same word if they were outside of the house? 303: Yeah. That's I'd use the same word. That's upstairs. Interviewer: I mean would you talk about stairs outside? 303: Yes ma'am. Interviewer: Okay. And. Can you think of names of different kinds of porches? 303: Porches? Interviewer: Uh-huh. Like a porch that- 303: Por- Uh I've forgotten now the name of it. Por- uh I can't I can't talk por- por- porta- something I- Interviewer: You have heard portico? 303: Porti- portico Yeah. Interviewer: Does that sound like a name? 303: Yeah that that's the name of it. Of the porches. At the they ain't they ain't the old style now that's the new style. Interviewer: What's- what's a portico? 303: Portico that's a porch. Built on the outside. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: But now we don't know nothing about that bout that {D: money} when I come up. Interviewer: You used to call it a porch? 303: Used to call them porch. Interviewer: Okay. Um. Okay. And if the door was open and you didn't want it that way you'd ask someone to? 303: Hit it. Interviewer: Okay. Um. And what do you call the boards on the outside of the house that lap over each other? 303: Shingles. Interviewer: No I'm talking about on the on the outside like they go like this on the walls. On the outside. 303: Oh. The planks or the the shingles. Interviewer: Yeah. I'm thinking of you ever heard of of siding or weather? 303: #1 Eh uh uh # Interviewer: #2 weatherb- # 303: weatherboard. Or or either siding. Interviewer: You've heard both of those words? 303: #1 Yes. # Interviewer: #2 Around here? # 303: Yes ma'am. Siding. Eh uh the weatherboard. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh. And uh top of the house. {NW} They used to make boards back then they call 'em old-fashioned oak boards. And uh. whenever {X} you got to line uh- up and got the floor laid and they put on these old-fashioned boards. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: It last twenty-four hours thirty years. And then now stuff put on the house now some of 'em don't last that long. Interviewer: Yeah. Okay say if you were doing some carpentry you'd say I picked up the hammer and I what the nail in? 303: I dropped it in. Interviewer: Hmm? 303: I'm- I picked up the hammer to nail in I dropped it {D: many times.} Interviewer: Okay. But if you hit the nail you'd say I you you call that? 303: Driving the nail up. Interviewer: Okay. So you say I I took the hammer and I what the nail in and I? 303: Well. I bent the nail down. Interviewer: But if you get it in you'd say I 303: Drawed it straight up. Interviewer: Okay. You were- you say the nail didn't get in far enough it's gotta be what in further it's gotta be? 303: Mm- be pull it out and {D: bend it} or either put another another size in there longer. Interviewer: Okay. Or if you have the right size and everything and just you gotta hit it one more time 303: Mm Interviewer: you say yo- um the nail's got to be what in a little further got to be? 303: Drove up. Interviewer: Okay. And you say um say you pick up the hammer and you what the nail in you you dri- 303: I drop the hammer. Interviewer: Okay. Um What do you call the parts that covers the top of the house? 303: The roofing. Interviewer: What's that? {D: Roofing?} 303: Yeah. Y- use that to {X} cover the par- #1 top of the house. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # What do you call that? 303: Roofing. Interviewer: Okay. And what do you call the little things along the edge of the roof th at carry the water off? 303: Uh. Uh. Gutters. Interviewer: Okay. Um. And let's see what say you have a house in an L. What do you call the place where the two come together? 303: Call that a joint. Interviewer: Call that what? 303: Joint. Interviewer: Okay. Um. And where would you store your tools? 303: Uh I'd store 'em in the shop. Interviewer: Okay. What about wood where would that be kept? 303: Well I tend to leave it out in the yard. If I ain't got a wood house. Interviewer: Mm-kay. Um. And what did you call outdoor toilets? 303: Well that's a I forgot now what they call it. I can't think of nothing I know the name of it. I left {D: one on the wheat farm.} I'm {D: bored of} {D: that lady} that right that's white lady my wife worked for her alright she thought so much of us she wanted her to have a picture {D: it's Miss Irene Evans.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And. My wife pictures of {X} under in large pictures. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Right there she's sixteen year old {X} Interviewer: She was really pretty. 303: Sixteen year old when she had that made. Now I'm left here with it alone. And wouldn't care {X} when the day that I'm gone. If I {X} I wanna be right. Trying to be {X} person right I knew she was. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Well. Interviewer: Okay um. You might say that you live in a frame 303: Live in a strange- Interviewer: E- or in a frame what? Or a brick? 303: {NW} A brick house. Interviewer: Okay are there any what are some of the other kinds around here? 303: There's uh what you call th- some of 'em call 'em wooden house. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Have you ever seen those? 303: Mm Yes I've seen a few. Some of 'em they have 'em in a few log houses Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: But uh they've perished away most of 'em but there's a log barn closed down over here about two miles from this uh house right here {X} out there. About fifty a hundred fifty some odd feet and yep this last storm blowed it flat on the ground. Interviewer: Mm. 303: {NW} It belonged to uh the {D: Zinis} brothers bought that and wind had blowed it flat. And my farm is right above it. And it didn't bu- blown my barn down. And it didn't hurt nothing around the house. But it blowed his barn down. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Just flat it ain't got nothing nobody first {D: called it nothing} put his hay in Ain't nothing to put his stock in in wintertime. But I guess he'll build a barn back. {D: Oh well he} can't afford not to. Knowing he'll build it back. Interviewer: What would you call a building where you store corn? 303: I'd call it a place for for crib crib um uh- crib corn. Interviewer: Okay. And a place where you store grain? 303: Call that a {D: hogshead.} Interviewer: A what? 303: {D: Hogshead.} Interviewer: {D: Hogshead?} 303: Yes ma'am. Interviewer: For grain? 303: For grain. Interviewer: What does that look like? 303: It's a very big thing built so that and that it holds anything you put in it. {D: It's all} exposed. When they get ready to to load it take it to nail I have it ground back up to {X} scoop runs outside and they got a door there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And you let that door down that run right out in the wagon or out in the sack and you ain't got to get in there and work with it. It's built. In a {X} fashion on both sides {D: half in the summer} Well we kinda took it at the top but that's the end of it. That's the center. This side is full and this side is full. That's gotta uh what I call a scoop over here and just scoop over here. And sometimes it's got it's so big you have two or three. When you when you fill up and get where it won't run you'll have to move up. And let that door open sit it sit the {X} fill up the wagon with what you want. Go on about your business. Interviewer: Was that- 303: That's what you call a hogshead. Interviewer: Is that something that you 303: Stole fo- wa- Interviewer: About how big is it about this big or? 303: No. No it's uh- Interviewer: To build it? 303: I- it's a building bigger than this house. Bigger as this this house. And it's sitting up sitting up up off of the ground {X} about four-foot Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: All {D: over and they} store this corn grain in these hogsheads. They call 'em when they put 'em over there they call that hog and they fill it up. And move to this other one and fill it up. Move to the other one got 'em all full on both sides. Why you've got some stuff back {D: hogging.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Do you ever hear of a granary? 303: No I {X} I do not. Granary- Interviewer: Okay what about a place where you'd you'd store hay in a barn? 303: Well. They call it some of 'em call 'em the loft. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: {X} {D: I could} it's uh {X} These days I run at the power of machines now I have to go in there get there and {X} That's what they call it. They call the let's see what loft. That's what I thought I said{NS} I started to say the barn but think it's called a loft. Interviewer: Mm-kay. And. What if you have too much hay to put in the barn? Then you might pile it up outside in a? 303: Oh yea- You can stack it up. Put a sheet over it and keep it outside or you or build a a what they call a shed ov- over it. Interviewer: What is that- 303: Long shed over it. Or if you got too much why you can put it all in there. It'll be alright when you get later for it. {NS} Keep it dry. And the outside and just a top over it just like a chicken house was built. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Long maybe {X} down into the road. And it's and it didn't got nothing but just posting posting them top. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And you go ahead and get it out. {X} anywhere you want to. I come there in the middle of the posts. Get what you want and when I get ready for it I'll throw it out or do something with it. I'll feed your cattle. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What else is in there under the shed? 303: How's that? Interviewer: What holds it in there under the shed. 303: Well them posts. The post is on each side. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: It's ha holds a top uh anything that put in down there uh it's got enough braces in it to to hold it. And the hay it sits right there where we put it 'til you can get ready to move it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. So you just throw the hay in under that or? Do you have it any sort of shape? 303: N- no. If it's loose hay and get ready for it you throw it out and take it down a lot for your cattle or either somebody want to buy {D: the wood.} Get back up and set him on low and he dries out and {X} getting wet pay you for it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: You got more hay than you want. Interviewer: Okay. Um. Okay when you first cut the hay you know then you you let it dry then you 303: Yeah yeah. Interviewer: Rake it up in these little piles what do you call that? 303: A wind rollers. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And you go back in take the bale and bathe it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. But before um before you did that before they baled hay #1 say # 303: #2 Mm. # Interviewer: you'd take a pitchfork and 303: Yes. Interviewer: take a #1 what? # 303: #2 {D: Yes that} # You'd take a pitchfork and put it in the shelf Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: When you you raked it thataway. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Then didn't o- didn't have no balers or what you either did have you couldn't get in there and then all way you do is take it up loose. And the first thing you had to do cut it and let it cure like you want it then r- rake it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Then wind rolls then go back and chop it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And then take you back and get you wagon and when you got it all chopped drive up to shove in put it on the wagon go in the morning but. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Okay were there any special places for keeping cows? 303: Mm. Interviewer: Like places for them to get in under when it's raining? 303: Yes they co- uh have- some people have sheds in their lots. Interviewer: What's a lot? 303: A lots is a is a was a {D: grow grass in} for the cattle to run on maybe thirty or forty acres maybe sixty acres in some lots and maybe a hundred acres in some lots but they got we didn't have a a shed built in the lot protect the cows some from the weather before they get back to the barn. and when they come {D: born} it's bad weather they put 'em in the barn and feed 'em then shut the door and keep 'em up all night. That morning think too cold and well it looks like it. They c- they come the man's owner come and turn him out. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Til the next day. And- Interviewer: Any special places for milking 'em? 303: Yes you have a regular a barn built {D: to run up.} Interviewer: A barn built what? 303: A barn or what they call a milk barn. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: And it's some of 'em built mighty pretty. And uh. And they ke- they keep it clean and some of 'em's built in the center where they milk the cow. I forgot what they call that. And the troughs where they eat out of. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And they milk 'em by buckets. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: By {D: like to} twist 'em and they start the machine there and they go along with a bucket and sit under the cow and then put that nip o- on the cow's tits. and go on to the next and just keep going if it's got thirty Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: got ten and got ten on this side and ten on this side. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: We got a place over there to stand. We got a place over here to stand. And uh. So. That's wh- what I bel- think about that. That. They've gotten they're doing such as that now they've got plenty of that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: But that ain't no old-timey stuff. Interviewer: Yeah. 303: That's new stuff. Interviewer: What- what would you call a a farm like that where they just have milk cows? 303: Well I- I guess I'd just call it a by the man's name i- it's a milk farm. Uh. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Used a {D: water vase.} Got one over here. And he called it the milk barn or the milk farm or either one you wanna call it. Of course he don't do nothing else {NW} but that. {NW} so don't have that never done. Interviewer: Yeah. Do you ever call it a da- 303: A da-? Interviewer: A dairy- 303: A dairy yeah. And I forgot that you call it a dairy barn. Interviewer: Okay um. Where do you keep horses? 303: And when I had 'em I kept 'em in the lot and in in bad nights I'd keep 'em i- up in the stable. The place you'd call a stable. Interviewer: Is that part of a barn or something- 303: That's part of the barn. That's another place made into to open the door and drive the horse in. Interviewer: Okay. Um. What about hogs and pigs? 303: Well. I had a two three sows hogs. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Let's see they called it a hog pen. And a hog hog feeder. I put a hog feeder in there. Pour my stuff in there and they they would eat what they wanted. And they'd walk off of it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: I call it a hog feeder. Then uh it out in the pound if it's cold bad you built a Interviewer: Out in the what? Out in- 303: Out in the pound you build build a house. A hog house. {X} {NS} Oh my. {X} some of the children. I believe. Where is {D: Catherine} Where's Catherine? Aux: What? 303: Where's Catherine? Aux: She's up at the house. Well where's Philip? What? 303: Where's Philip? Aux: He's up at the church house getting wine. {NS} Interviewer: Do a lot of children come play here? 303: {D: Eight over there} are allowed. Play down this level down here. {X} rock and rough and they come down here and ride their wheels and when the come back from school play around and I I think i- i- i- ain't no use in a person being so funny children is children so it don't bother nothing ain't no use in saying nothing about it. Interviewer: Yeah. 303: N- now they come down here to help me get in more wood back in the wintertime and get up my eggs. Interviewer: #1 Where did # 303: #2 I don't # Interviewer: Huh? 303: I don't say nothing about 'em I just all they do {D: by it} Interviewer: Yeah. 303: Play ball down here sometimes round the bull house and passed the big place {D: live uh} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Down here I've got a garden that I don't let them play down there in my garden. Well how much longer we gonna keep 'em or not. Interviewer: Well this tape will be running out pretty soon. Do you remember where you keep milk and butter before you had refrigerators? 303: Mm the- spring house. Interviewer: Okay. 303: Spring house. Interviewer: #1 And # 303: #2 I've do- # I've been in one many times get some good ol' milk. Buttermilk sweet milk butter. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Spring house. Interviewer: Okay. And what would you call a place around the barn where you might let the cows and mules and other animals walk around? 303: A pound. {NW} Pound? Interviewer: A pound. 303: A pound. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What what was that like? 303: Huh? Interviewer: What was- can you describe that for me? 303: Yeah. It's it's a pound. When you turn it off out you you've got your fence around it and they can't go back to lot nowhere and that's just the pound now you built to keep 'em out and want to put 'em back in their barn while you can do so. Interviewer: So it's just around the barn? 303: Yes it's around the barn. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay um. Something that if you want to turn the animals out to graze you turn 'em out into the? 303: Pasture. Interviewer: Okay is that different from a lot? 303: {NW} About the same thing. Interviewer: Okay. 303: Only that's the proper that's the proper name for it. Interviewer: Yeah. Um. Do you ever raise cotton? 303: {NW} One year. Interviewer: Tell me about the work that you'd 303: #1 Uh. # Interviewer: #2 do for that. # 303: You have to plant it. And after you plant it you had to give the ground good dig. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: You can't plant it wet. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And after it comes up you get that bud comes up sorta like a bean in the garden. It gets up a oh about two or three inches high. Then you go to {D: horn} it Interviewer: Uh-huh. Then when it gets up about knee-high and {X} why before then 'til you laid by you quit it. When it gets up that high getting close to potting you quit working. Mm-hmm. {NW} 303: And uh I do- whenever you quit working it. That's all I wanna do about it I don't wanna pick it that's {NW} {X} I'll pick they day for {D: throwing in} Murfre- not Murfreesboro Yeah. Murfreesboro. And uh my wife picked that one day and uh she picked the first day. Seventy-five cents per hour. And um. The next day I think she picked a dollar and quarter's worth. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And that is all she wanted to do. She come home {NW} and I I would pick the stuff. And the first day that I picked I here at Statesville I wasn't in Murfreesboro. For {X} and I I went to give 'em a breakfast to come and some of the other dew got off so I could go to picking {NW} went out there about nine o'clock and I picked 'til six o'clock that evening. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: The then this pick it{NS} seventy-five cents per hour. {NS} And I I told 'em I said now I thought the {D: printing} could be four or five dollars.{NS} {NS} And he said yes it can. But you've got to learn how to pick it. I went back the next day and I I thought I'd try it over. And I made one dollar. And picked all day long didn't give me my supper. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And I decided then there ain't no more cotton for me nowhere I don't want nobody's cotton. Interviewer: {NW} Yeah. 303: Fingers are sore back sore I was young too but.{NS} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: It made my back sore. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Then I could've made it made more than that just uh coming to farm and then done got up to about dollar and a half two dollars a day then. And things begin to move up a little. Interviewer: Okay what what do you call that grass that grows up in a cotton field where you don't want it? 303: Uh. Some of 'em call it moody grass. Or- Interviewer: Call it what? 303: Moody grass. Or either the either silk not silkweed but uh milkweed. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Come 'til it comes up pretty {D: free} after cotton. Interviewer: Mm-hmm And it it gets s- gets in the way if you don't keep it out. 303: Mm-hmm. And the rotten rag uh know when the ragweed eats 'em bad. Interviewer: Okay say corn grows in a what? 303: In a row. Interviewer: Okay. Or you'd if you had a lot of corn you'd say you had a corn- 303: Field. Interviewer: Okay. Um. What about cotton? If you just had a little bit of cotton you'd you wouldn't call it a field would you? 303: No. No. Just call that a little pat- a little patch of cotton. Interviewer: Okay. 303: Patch of cotton. Interviewer: And this is a of fence that you might move- little wooden fence that you might have around a yard or a garden. 303: Oh well we'd call it palement f- fence. Interviewer: What's that? 303: Pale- palement fence. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Think that's what they- that's the name of it. Interviewer: Did it come to points or straight across or how? 303: Straight across. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about one that came up in points? Did that have a name? 303: Mm now I I can't recall that. I {D: slat} nothing slat there cuz- Interviewer: Slats? 303: Slat fence. Slat fence. Interviewer: Okay. And a kind of wire fence they might have around a pasture now? 303: Well there's- Interviewer: That catch your clothes on it. 303: We call it barbed wire. Interviewer: Okay. And do you remember any kinds of wooden fences that would go in and out? Like this? 303: Wooden fence? Interviewer: Yeah. Like this. 303: Yes I that's what they call a rail fence.{NS} Interviewer: Okay. 303: I've made it out and I've worked at that many time on {X} heels and {X} I used to make rail. Interviewer: Really? 303: And the red sheet is raised slow around you have 'til everybody's got 'em on {D: placed them} put this {X} in there. And uh that red cedar back yonder brought good money. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Now Now if they had it they had it moved it all out. Kept hauling it to Nashville. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Or they could cut something out of it. Made that a farm covered up to that be worth much as this farm. Interviewer: Yeah. 303: Now. Course it- Interviewer: Yeah. 303: Course it wasn't then. That's what I said. Then they got a little money out and they just stuck it down put up more fence and sold the rail. And that's when it done wrong. They'd kept 'em on well got a got a fortune out of 'em. Interviewer: Yeah. 303: Cedar rails I guess you heard talk of it ain't you? Interviewer: Yeah. 303: Cedar rail. There was money. Make pencils out of it it's a pe- pencil factory. Some of 'em did and I don't know what they done with the rest of it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say if you were putting up a wire fence you'd have to dig a hole for the the put 303: Post. Put up the post. Interviewer: Okay. And did you ever hear of a fence or a wall made out of loose stone or rock? 303: Yeah. A rock fence. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: I've built 'em {X} Around the creek ba- back to turn the water. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: I know exactly what that is. And some people got 'em built in today in different places up and down these hollows where the water gets unruly. Just keep it from it spreading over the bottom field. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay um. And if you had a really nice set of dishes chances are it'd be made out of? 303: China. Interviewer: Okay did you ever see an egg made out of this? 303: Ever see what? Interviewer: An egg made out of this? 303: Eggs. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Made out of this material. 303: No. I don't believe I have. Interviewer: Okay um. Okay you mentioned buckets some. 303: Cedar buckets. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Well I well I used to have one I wished I had it right today. I give it away. And now that cedar bucket is worth all the time and money I have. Have nothing. A fellow over here made 'em. His cedar bucket for water week. Well uh back yonder up from the house small or that keep the cedar bucket put water in. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh. {D: Heaper time} you get a new one. On start you taste that cedar 'til it got old. Or either wait to keep from tasting the cedar they did a painted it bucket inside. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And that kept the cedar from {NW} {X} the water. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: {NW} But after you go so long you leave it to sit. Interviewer: What what would you carry milk in? 303: Pail. Interviewer: Is that different-? 303: A long uh pail or long tin bucket or either flat tin bucket Interviewer: What tin? 303: Flat tin bucket. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Now that's a old one I know you never seen {X} never seen it. Never seen a long tin bucket. But now when I was working in Statesville I was on top of the hill uh while I was uh digging tin for mr Eulis Armstrong Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: I was about thirty-five year old. No I don't believe I {D: talked about that all.} No I wouldn't have. About S- seventeen eighteen some along there. And uh I laid down and went to sleep on the hill. Really big hill. States- about mile and half from Statesville place called Statesville down in the bottom. And I go over there and mi- bout a mile and a half on top of that gravel hill. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh ate my dinner had no water there hadn't then eh I laid down on the gravel. What had been piled up. For snakes I mean to to get 'em out of the tater patch and everything they had a oh about as high as my head all around. I just laid down on the ones {X} And I hear something crawling. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: I waked up and then it was a rattlesnake. Interviewer: Oh really? 303: Rattlesnake. Interviewer: What'd you do? 303: I got up and caught him. Got up and caught him. And that made me think of that long tin bucket. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: I caught that snake and put it him in that bucket. And brought him down there mile and a half down to Statesville where all the white people and colored people could see him. I kept him there three weeks. And uh way I done I's young and had a Dennis kept a kept a silk handkerchief in his pocket. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: And I thought of that I caught a {D: four good stick.} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: Sorta like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh After I caught the snake or when I when I first went o- went to catch him he coiled up. Well I just stood there and wait 'til they gotta 'un- {D: mat thems.} And we went trolling on off. {X}