303: {NS} A acre or two acres there And then down and I stayed out there and I worked for a German. Interviewer: You worked for? 303: A German Interviewer: Uh-huh 303: And uh his wife I went on town to take a load of wheat And I seen this. and I've cut back I was telling her about it. And she {NS} said oh said I said what is that bunched up that a way she says it's pie plant. Says that man got three or four acres and I said I see it. {X} I'm make your pie out of it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And uh she made me a pie out of that thing. And it's the best pie I ever eat. It was good. Put butter and sugar in it. {X} Interviewer: #1 Lots of leaves # 303: #2 {X} # Yeah just the leaves Interviewer: Uh-huh 303: {X} And they set it out there And uh {NS} Just a little of it. You can make it as strong as you want to. You can put in a little And and inside of the pie of what you're going to make. And boil it until the juice comes out. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: Then when the juice comes out you can use the juice and put it in a pan. Put your stuff in. What you wanna put in. And set it in there. Cook it. and uh When you've got put plenty sugar in there. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and butter to make it good. And uh cooks about three hours. Takes three hours to cook it. And when it gets done you've got something good. {NS} It's tween the salt it tastes like lemon. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: You ever taste a lemon? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Uh. Juice or or lemon out of a out of a store It sort of tastes plain lemon and something else I had to {X} when I but I forgot the other flavor it tastes like and and it's. She flavored it. She knew how to make it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And it was the best thing I ever ate. It's called pie plant. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Is this something that just would You said these 303: #1 It grows it grows in # Interviewer: #2 people would # 303: {NW} Over in the field lots. And uh you need a I don't know never stayed there I stayed there about a year I never know where the seed come from I can't tell you. But there's pie- pie plant. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And they get the seed somewhere either get the roots or I know that it's seed. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: in the following year then can go on replant another pack of it and get the seed from th- {X} {NS} Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: this year for the next year. Interviewer: Um. You say this man that you worked for was Ge- 303: German. That's- Interviewer: Is this something that just the German people would do or? 303: Well uh these folks out here got to using it now. Uh it's scattered everywhere. There's a white lady down there in that part of town she got five plants out down there by one to the goal And she says she's gonna. Say you pull me up something now you gonna break me off some and wash it. You give it to me. And see if I can make me a pie out of it and set it. She did and she can make a pie. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and and uh yeah She said she can give me a a plant of it this fall. So I ain't never got any. Well if you still down that her her it ain't in the yard it's down the outside fence down by by an old barn. Another barn near the smokehouse {NS} Interviewer: Let's see. Okay um What's about something little red thing that would grow in the ground? and you might put it in a 303: Oh that's a uh radish. {NS} Interviewer: What was that? 303: Radishes Interviewer: Okay um It's something that would grow it's red and it would grow up on a bush that you'd stake up. 303: Wouldn't be a blackberry would it? Interviewer: No it's it's a big red thing you might grow in a garden. 303: {NW} Interviewer: You can buy these plants and set 'em out. 303: {NW} Interviewer: or grow it from seeds {NS} 303: Well you got me there. Interviewer: It's something you might make put in um oh. It's a big leafy plant that's you'd stake up. 303: hmm Interviewer: In summer these will grow on the plant. 303: hmm Interviewer: and um you could slice 'em and eat 'em on lettuce or 303: hmm hmm {NS} {X} Interviewer: What are some things that you'd grow in a garden that are red? {NS} 303: red onions you grow Interviewer: {NS} {NS} 303: beets and and beets make pickle out of them Interviewer: uh 303: Then you grow these here what did I call 'em radishes. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: That's two two things red. In the ground you pull 'em up Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: It's sort of like a turnip. Uh And you peel 'em Interviewer: uh-huh 303: cook 'em about three hours 'til they're done. Then you fix a vinegar and put your soup in it. Then put the then never get rid of them you put the top on. Screw it down then you have pickle all year if you want. Or you from the beets Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: You put these red s- to eat or- or beans and onions. Garden times when that's out. When they don't put them up. Interviewer: #1 What about something # 303: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: that's red and doesn't grow in the ground? That just grows on a regular plant. 303: {NW} Wouldn't be a flower of some kind would it? Interviewer: No I'm thinking of to-tomatoes. 303: oh tomato {NS} Interviewer: What kinds of #1 available # 303: #2 They've got red. # red tomatoes or yellow tomato Interviewer: uh-huh 303: That's two kind. Interviewer: What about those little ones that don't ever get much bigger than this? 303: They call them uh tomato Interviewer: Okay um And I mentioned potatoes. What kinds of potatoes are there? 303: Irish potatoes Interviewer: mm-hmm What about the ones that have yellow meat inside? 303: Uh I forgot the name of that. It ain't the Irish cobbler and it ain't the burbanks. But the potato of that kind I it came to Crane Mountain. But now the one's you talking about I can't tell you. Interviewer: What about um now you mentioned an oven that you might use and and you cook things in it in front of the fireplace 303: yeah Interviewer: Did you ever put some a certain kind of potato 303: Put sweet potatoes in it. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: And wash 'em and grease 'em. And uh put your uh um I had this before. Whole lot of coal {NS} and when you go in get your taters ready you in put your coals out here on the hearth. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: Then you get your oven. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: Then sit right over the got legs on about like that. Interviewer: yes 303: about t- two or three inches you thr-three or four of 'em. Three legs Interviewer: uh-huh 303: And that's about a lid that sits over it. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: That's got a got a handle right in the center the top. And you take uh poker Interviewer: mm-hmm. {NS} 303: Uh uh pot lift it was called Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh {NS} when you put the thing it was sort of long Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: then we got your got your taters then you put that on your taters that pot lift and called 'em tents just red and hot and yellow when you take it off Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: then you take your shoe on and go back to your fireplace and uh sprinkle all in over that 'til the lid's coal the fire coal charcoal n- I mean fire coal and uh when you do that {NS} you let it sit there two three two and a half to three hours. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: And you go back to take that thing and lift it off quite easy and set it down if you want to if you just want to feel see if the potatoes are done. Just mash one with your sole. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Take your poker then turn that over right back in the ash. back in the in the place where you got it in the fire place. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: And you take the and get a pan take your sweet potatoes out. lay 'em like you want Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: And if you want to put your bread in and cook your bread in that if you want to cornbread {X} {NS} Interviewer: or what what else? 303: dodges Interviewer: uh-huh 303: uh they make 'em up in this this round sharp it bolts in {NS} right round Interviewer: #1 just with your hands # 303: #2 {X} # Just make 'em with your hands. But dog 'em the other way 'til 'til they get round and when they get round nice and round you just lay three or four in there. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: And you don't lay 'em on top of one. You wouldn't do cause the other one wouldn't cook right. And so you just lay 'em in the skillet. Then put your lid back on. And get your fire. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: Put on the lid. {NS} you done got enough for a hundred down there of them potatoes. and uh {NS} and uh and you you get your pot lifters and uh hang in that thing put it on. And you done throwing the fire coal off in there and you have to move back there and then you get you some new coals to put on top of your lid. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: And let it stay there for about thirty or forty maybe forty minutes. And it's ready for dinner. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: And if y'all want some biscuits you've got another one. Do it the same way. Interviewer: hmm 303: And you've got your biscuit. And if y'all want flat cake Interviewer: #1 What's a flat cake? # 303: #2 then you make it flat. # That's a {NS} let's say as big as a as a skillet is or either What did I call this thing? Interviewer: Oven. 303: Oven big as the oven is. You can make it this thick. Make it about that thick. #1 And make it # Interviewer: #2 {X} # this thick 303: That was about three inches see. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and then get your fire going. And don't get too much under it do it'll burn. Burn the bottom before it cooks the top. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: You just want a little fire in the bottom you want to take all that fire out and just put- put back some fresh coal just a little. enough to brown the bottom half of the biscuit And then you put your mostly fire on top. And that top's what gets them biscuits to swell and and gets a little hotter while then they brown. Just like gingerbread they brown as a brown as you want. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: {NW} I like my biscuits white. Now back yonder I remember eating so my mother would would say {NS} just so they swell just so they hit the last peak of swelling Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: And they're half roll in that's the way I love 'em. but uh she had a family of ten. And she had to cook my biscuit by itself cuz I didn't I saw mine got raise and got white I call 'em white biscuit. Then and th-they eat the white biscuit not I'm not I eat the white biscuit and they eat the brown biscuit. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: That's a different in one of the other families curious to know there's always one. Interviewer: yeah {NS} 303: curious about they eat Some won't eat this. Some won't won't eat that. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: And uh I like my biscuit and they say that's a {X} half raw dough. But I want to know when if there's more than only butter in 'em in there {X} and I could eat seven or eight of 'em every morning for breakfast. Interviewer: yeah What um what color was your sweet potatoes? 303: the- we had uh the moldy tater. Interviewer: the what? 303: The moldy tater was uh a dark blue tater. And the yam the yellow yam tater is yellow looking. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and uh The Nancy Hall was yellow. Interviewer: What about just a sweet potato that you mentioned 303: just a pure sweet potato? Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 303: #2 oh # Uh th- the pure sweet potato uh I'd call it a southern queen. There's a there's a white looking tater. That's the best tater. Beats them yam Them yam's a good potato but now people now you got and ain't them potatoes in this country no more. Interviewer: #1 what # 303: #2 They # can't get the seeds of 'em. {NW} {NS} The queen Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: White queen we called It's the best tater. When it gets done molasses soft you just want to delve in 'em. And they just as sweetest sugar. And just as soft as they can be if you got butter. if you like 'em with butter in {NS} You just don't know when to quit. Cuz they are good. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: I raise some. In my time of 'em a good worker can get the seed and so I You can't find 'em no where. They just qui- quit sending 'em out. {NS} Interviewer: What about onions? 303: Well there's red onions and there's a white onion. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: The red onion keeps the best. The white onion {NS} makes the biggest onion. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: But it it don't don't keep like the red onion. And that's why I like the red onions best. You you can keep it. And it's the strongest. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: The white onion ain't as strong as it- a red onion Interviewer: What about the little onions that you just eat fresh? 303: That's what they call garden onions. They're set- set onion. You s- you set them up with s- no set no can't to set up Interviewer: Those little green ones that you just #1 eat eat 'em raw # 303: #2 I know what you're talking about. # They're I forget what they call that. uh yeah them's slip onions. #1 They called # Interviewer: #2 oh # 303: the slip slip onions {NS} Interviewer: Those are the small ones? 303: Yes ma'am that's what they call a slip onion. Interviewer: Okay um 303: grow 'em in the garden I went out and pulled up a mini one. Used to wash 'em off and cut 'em up {NS} and get 'em ready for dinner. I have beans and cabbage a big pot of cabbage and bean. {NS} And I'd eat about two or three of 'em. {X} I liked it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} Okay you'd say um if you you said the skin of that dried apple was all what up? 303: skin of that dried apple Interviewer: Yeah it gets all small. You'd say it was all it 303: peeled Interviewer: Okay or when it gets smaller you say it it 303: {NW} Interviewer: Okay say say if you're frying bacon 303: mm Interviewer: bacon gets smaller 303: mm-hmm Interviewer: when you fried it. 303: yeah Interviewer: You say that it did what up in 303: It's uh it's drolled up. Interviewer: Okay. Or another word you might use is 303: it's uh The grease has come running. Interviewer: uh-huh Would you say it shrivels up or swi- #1 -vels up? # 303: #2 swivels squiggles up # Interviewer: What's that? 303: Squiggles up. Interviewer: okay 303: droles up you might say I- I'd call it. {NS} Interviewer: Okay um {NS} Okay talk about cabbage. You mentioned a cabbage huh 303: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You'd say um. You might- You might say I like these what? {NS} 303: I like these cabbage. Interviewer: Okay and talking about how big they were you say these cabbage 303: {X} Interviewer: Okay or um these cabbage what? big these cabbage {NS} 303: can go in a f- I can't. Can't think what it is. Interviewer: Okay um If you wanted to get beans out of the pods by hand you'd say you had to 303: get a ladle ladle Interviewer: Get a what? 303: A ladle dip 'em out with just a long handle about that long Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 303: #2 {NW} # round you got the little holes in the bottom of it You dip it in the pot and put 'em in the bowl. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} 303: a ladle Interviewer: Okay um But before that when you just you just picked the beans then you have to 303: string 'em have to string 'em and break 'em Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: Then wash 'em then ready for the pot. Interviewer: Okay Is there another word you'd use would you say you you have to 303: Yes {NW} Interviewer: shell 'em or hull 'em 303: Oh oh yeah you yes yeah let alone you have to shell 'em Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} Okay and what kind of beans are there? the kinds that you what about the the ya- large flat bean? It-it's the seed that you eat. {NS} 303: {X} I know what it is but I- I can't call or name it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm talk about butter beans or lima #1 beans # 303: #2 butter # butter beans well and lima beans {NS} and uh you got uh pole bean Interviewer: What's the difference in butter beans and lima beans? {NS} 303: Whole lot is different. A butter beans flat. and a lima bean partly flat in a way but they mostly round. Interviewer: Mm-hmm What color are they? 303: the lima bean? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: White Interviewer: What about the butter bean? 303: White or brown? {NW} The brown {NS} butter bean is sweet but white butter bean is thick. The white butter bean's the best {X} colored butter bean {NW} It tastes about the same. It ain't much different than. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {NS} What about the kind of beans that you eat the pod and all? {NS} 303: That's a called it I forgot now. Unbreakable. {NS} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: I think what they called it unbreakable bean {NS} Interviewer: You talk about string bean or snap bean or 303: s-s- #1 snap # Interviewer: #2 green beans # 303: snap bean Interviewer: What are snap beans? 303: Well you {X} {NW} then you have to string 'em. {NS} And after you string 'em then you break 'em up wash 'em and put 'em in {X} them put 'em in the pot. Interviewer: Okay. Um you say you take the tops of turnips cook them and make a mess of 303: Tops of turnip? Interviewer: Uh-huh 303: That's salad then. Interviewer: Okay any other greens that you use besides turnip tops? 303: There's there's uh {NS} there's uh {NW} turnip uh r-rape they call it salad Interviewer: What's that? 303: rape {NS} It comes up in bunches just like turnip salad. Interviewer: You call that ra- 303: Rape rape. Rape salad and you sow it just like you do with turnip salad. Ain't no different {X} it's white looking. And the turnip salad's a little darker. But you and it's slick. {NW} when it droles up big enough to eat his his light Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: and uh slick it ain't rough no wrinkles in it like turnip salad and it's just I like it better than I do turnip salad {X} Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: But some people mix it {NS} Interviewer: {NS} What's what's that? #1 {X} # 303: #2 mix # Interviewer: What do they mix? 303: What? What did you say? Interviewer: What what is it that they mix? 303: different {NS} You said what is the difference in- Interviewer: No what is it that they mix? #1 You say something was # 303: #2 oh # They they mix turnip salad and and and crepe salad together. Uh uh they would they don't don't let a fool mess everything They mix it you know. And wash it and put it in the pot together and cook together. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and mix it mighty good them likes it that way Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: I- I like it just like it is. {NW} But I can eat it mixed but I- I like it straight just like it is. Interviewer: Mm-hmm okay um if- So if someone had seven boys and seven girls you'd say that he had a what of children? 303: He had a bunch of children. Interviewer: Okay. Would you ever use the word passel? 303: again Interviewer: Would you ever use the word passel? 303: Passel. Interviewer: Passel. 303: Passel. Interviewer: Uh-huh talk about passel of children. 303: Oh No I don't know what you might call that. Interviewer: Okay. What would you call the outside of an ear of corn? {NW} 303: uh the grain {NS} Interviewer: No the part that you have to pull off the green covering 303: oh shuck {NS} Interviewer: Okay. And what do you call the kind of corn that's tender enough to eat just off the cob? 303: Uh tha- that's called {NS} uh uh I forgot what to call that. It's I- It's too tender for a roof in here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Ever heard of mutton corn? 303: No. Interviewer: or green corn or sugar corn or corn on the cob 303: It's corn on cob is a {NS} It's two or three kinds of {X} Interviewer: it's what 303: hickory cane Interviewer: Uh-huh 303: and then Neal paymaster Interviewer: What what is this kinds of 303: Uh and uh Uh there's two or three more I can't call it. Interviewer: Two or three more what? 303: different kind Interviewer: kinds of corn? 303: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay um What do you call the top of the corn stalk? {NS} 303: That's uh I'd call it the top the the tassel Interviewer: Okay. And the stringy stuff that you had to take off the corn off the ear 303: si- silk {NS} Interviewer: Okay. 303: The silk. Interviewer: And this is something that you make pie out of at Thanksgiving. 303: {NW} Interviewer: big orange thing 303: {NW} Let's see. Interviewer: I think you said you have some planted in your garden. 303: Uh I can't think {NS} Interviewer: Pum- {NS} 303: let's see pum- pumpkin Interviewer: Okay um. {NW} Well what about something little small yellow {NS} um crooked necked vegetable? 303: uh I'd call that a squash. Interviewer: Okay. 303: I either call it the sweet potato pumpkin Interviewer: the sweet what 303: sweet potato pumpkin Interviewer: What's what's the difference between that and squash? 303: Well they ain't much different only the sweet potato pumpkin {NW} is three times bigger than squash. Interviewer: Is that round or- 303: They're they're round and crook around that a way just like that. looks like a d-dipper on down. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: And grows up to weigh eight fifteen- fifteen pounds. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: And I raised lot of 'em down here last year. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Give 'em away people make They make us buy pie just like sweet potato do. Ain't no different there. They know how to make the best sweet potato pie. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: That's what they call a sweet potato pumpkin. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Okay now what kind of melons might you raise? 303: {NW} I believe few watermelons uh They're really something. I oh and I forgot the other name. Interviewer: What other kinds of melons? 303: huh Interviewer: What other kinds of melons? 303: A melon we raise? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: Well now there uh I don't know the name of this melon but just {NS} th-this melon is around {NS} and uh it's more like a bucket. It ain't no long melon it's just a round big melon and it's yellow as a gourd yellower than a cherry is and it's the best melon I ever eat. {NS} but now the people {NS} over in here and them over there they've they never seen one. They don't know nothing about that. But I do. Interviewer: #1 What do you- # 303: #2 I # I've eat 'em {X} few of 'em put them in the Spring {NS} When you was on the farm and I'd go up there in the Spring put me one in there. Sometimes put in two. And they sweet as sugar. Almost and it's just melon as they can be. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. You say people don't know about #1 those around here? # 303: #2 No and ain't # nobody know nothing about that they can't nothing person old enough to remember that. Interviewer: #1 yeah # 303: #2 around here # {NS} Interviewer: Did they have a name to 'em? 303: They had a name but I can't can't call or name it. Interviewer: Was it mu- 303: huh? Interviewer: musk? 303: No. Interviewer: muskmelon or #1 mushmelon # 303: #2 No it wasn't # Interviewer: no mushmelon cantaloupe 303: It wasn't no cantaloupe. It's just a yellow meat watermelon. It's just as yellow as that chair. Or yellow he be yellower than them them curtains hanging up. And just the deep yellow. And it it didn't grow like these watermelon growing now a long way. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: these little short round and striped and yellow and all like that This was a melon that was just solid didn't have on there a stripe on it nowhere. Just solid. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh. We raised 'em. Lived on white person's farm. {NS} And he let us raise 'em. {NS} And uh {NS} we'd give them them that {X} we won't ever tell 'em knowing just what they wanted. We all eat out of them farms. The whole family two family And then there's the best thing that I ever eat. Hmm. What about other kinds of melon besides watermelon? {NS} 303: Well there were mushmelons. cue there's cue Interviewer: There's a mushmelon that's what? 303: There's a mushmelon that's pretty good and uh I went to name it but the name is cue mushmelon. {NS} And they sort of a like only they just sweeter and better. Interviewer: #1 You call those # 303: #2 Cue # Cue. The cue melon. They're slick. and these other melons mushmelon is rough. kind of rough rough skin on the outside These others are just as slick as that that floor over there. Just slick. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: {X} Bigger so slick But they're better. Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about cantaloupe? 303: The cantaloupes is alright. {NS} They're sweet Interviewer: What's the- What's the difference between them and mushmelons? 303: Well I think too much different {X} a cantaloupe's is heaps of sweet. {X} Just don't look different. {NS} Interviewer: Okay um. This is something that you might find growing up in the woods or fields after it rains. And it's got a little stem to it. And it's got a little 303: hmm Interviewer: cap on it sort of like a- an umbrella. {NS} 303: or is that ginseng? Interviewer: No I think it's something else. It- it's sort of shaped like an umbrella. 303: {NW} Interviewer: You ever heard of mush 303: I can't reach on that. Interviewer: mushroom or 303: #1 mush # Interviewer: #2 mu- # 303: mush {NW} I can't get that. {NW} {NS} Interviewer: You ever heard of mushroom or 303: yes I've heared it. But I {NS} {X} know what it is or what I'm talking about. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: On Interviewer: You ever heard of a a toad stool or frog bench or- 303: Yes I've seen them up. {NS} So I had to get my mother to fry me some of 'em and she wouldn't do it. Frog stool. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} 303: And I've tasted and eat some of these some says it's poison but it didn't hurt me. Interviewer: Yeah. 303: I eat it raw and just My mother wouldn't cook it for me {NS} I'd go out there and get around and the old stump get a piece sometimes be {NS} top of that book Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: Pull it off and break it. Eat it. {NS} And giving it a little salt. And eat it and sometimes {X} ain't got no taste to it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: After you dry smother it and f-find out what you eating. {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 303: It's this sort of s- made like something that's tasteless. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {NS} {NW} 303: There was one down here. the other day I told that boy let it stay there I might take it out and eat it. or play with him children up here comes down here and plays a lot. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: I told him left alone I might eat it. Interviewer: Okay um. {NS} You say he um. That piece of meat got stuck in his throat and he couldn't what? 303: Couldn't cough it out. Interviewer: Okay. You say he could chew it but he couldn't. 303: Swallow it. {NS} Interviewer: Okay um. And what's What do people smoke that's made out of tobacco? {NS} 303: What's a Interviewer: That people smoke made out of tobacco. 303: Oh. {NS} Smoke made out of tobacco. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} 303: That's uh {NS} tobacco I reckon. Interviewer: Okay but it comes in what? 303: Can. Interviewer: Okay but those long white things that come in a package you'd call those 303: Cigarettes. Interviewer: Okay and then what about those brown things? 303: Uh cigarette holder? Interviewer: Okay but brown things thicker than cigarettes 303: Uh Interviewer: The men would smoke 'em. 303: I forgotten how what they call that. The tip. to hold a cigar Interviewer: No. The- to hold a what? 303: Cigar. Interviewer: Okay um. {NS} Suppose I might offer to do you a favor. You'd say well I appreciate it but I don't want to be what? 303: Don't want to be in to {X} Interviewer: Okay or you say like you don't want to feel like then you have to do something for the person. You'd say I don't want to be what to nobody? I don't want to be {NS} 303: Be no trouble. Interviewer: Okay. Or would you say I don't want to be beholden or I don't want to be obligated? 303: Yeah I don't want to be obligated or beholden. Interviewer: Okay um. So if I ask you about whether or not you're able to do a certain job and you tell 'em sure I 303: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: do it. Sure I {NS} 303: I do it if I'm able. Interviewer: Okay. And ask you um can you do that? And you'd say no I {NS} 303: I can't do it. Interviewer: Okay or you'd say yes I {NS} 303: I- I can. Interviewer: Okay um. {NS} Okay um someone. say- say it was a real bad bad accident 303: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: up the road and then you say There was no need to to call the- a doctor because the victim was what? 303: Dead. Interviewer: was what dead bef- by the time we got there? He was 303: He was passed. Interviewer: Okay um. {NS} Okay you say that dangerous situation he what to be careful he {NS} 303: {X} Interviewer: {X} And you say I'll dare you to go through the graveyard at night but I'll bet you {NS} what? 303: {NW} Something'll get you. Interviewer: Huh okay um {NS} Would you say I'll bet you dasen't or I bet you daren't or? 303: to go Interviewer: Yeah how would you say that I bet you 303: I bet you {NS} you wouldn't go by yourself. Interviewer: Okay um say um. {NS} You might tell a child well {NS} You aren't doing what you {NS} what to do? 303: supposed to do Interviewer: okay um {NS} You say if a boy got a whipping you'd say well I bet he did something he 303: Didn't. {X} He done something that it wasn't suitable. Interviewer: Okay you'd say um Okay you might tell someone you're not doing what you ought to do or. Okay using that word ought. Um you'd say I bet he did something he 303: Didn't ought or didn't uh {NS} wa-wasn't supposed to be done. Interviewer: Okay or didn't or what did you start to say 303: {NW} He done something he wasn't supposed to do. Interviewer: Okay but use uh another word for that. He done something he 303: He aught not to done. Interviewer: Okay um. {NS} You might tell someone now no matter how many times you ask me to do that I just {NS} 303: Can't do it. Interviewer: Or I just. {NS} Someone says will you do that and you say no I 303: No I can't do it. Interviewer: Or it's not that you can't. It's it's that you just 303: I just can't Interviewer: Okay. Or if {NS} talking about is if I say I just will not do that or I just wo- 303: W-well I just {NS} Can not do that. Interviewer: Okay but Okay and suppose someone asked you to do something that you can do but for some reason you just opposed to doing that. You say um {NS} that you you decided that you're just not going to do that. And You tell someone um no matter how many times you ask me to do that I just 303: can not do it Interviewer: or I just won't 303: just won't do it Interviewer: Okay um. Suppose you had done some real hard work all by yourself and {NS} all the time you were working like {NS} uh maybe changing a tire or something someone was just standing around watching you. 303: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {NS} and after you get through working you go up to that person and you say you know instead of watching me you know you might 303: help me Interviewer: you what? 303: You might help me. Interviewer: Okay um okay and suppose. You're through working and you go up to 'em and you say that you you know you might. 303: Well. You waited too late. Interviewer: #1 But you might # 303: #2 I # {NW} You you might help me before I got {X} Interviewer: Okay um {NS} And you'd say um. Someone ask you if you're able to do something you'd say well I'm not sure but I might {NS} what do it. I might 303: I'm ain't for sure. For I'm be able to do that or not Interviewer: Well okay But I might 303: I might not. Interviewer: Okay um. Okay talk about kinds of animals now. the kind of bird that can see in the dark {NS} 303: Mm that's owls. Interviewer: Okay. What about the little owl? That has a real high voice {NS} 303: {NW} {NS} He's a screech owl. Interviewer: Okay. What about the big one? 303: A horn owl. Interviewer: Any other kinds? 303: No those the only two kinds I know. Interviewer: Okay um. What about the kind of bird that that drills holes in trees? 303: That's called a a redwood. That's a peckerwood. Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} Um any other names? 303: {NW} Interviewer: Like for the real big one. 303: No let's see. Seem like there is another one. chuck chuckwood Interviewer: What 303: He is the He's the chuckwood next thing to a yellow hammer. Interviewer: Next thing to a #1 Yellow # 303: #2 He makes # makes holes in wood He's rotting wood. {NS} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {NS} 303: And uh. {NS} He's yellow breasted and gray winged red head and he's bigger than this other one that you was talking about. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: And he and uh he eats uh rotten dead wood {NS} picks on the hull Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: {NS} But he he's a what did I call him? Chick {NS} check checkerwood Interviewer: {NS} uh-huh 303: {X} {NS} that's his name. {NS} He's bigger than a peckerwood. {NS} quite small. Interviewer: Uh-huh 303: But he {NW} the the rooster is red headed and uh the hen is gray headed. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: Light light gray Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} Um. Do you ever call people peckerwood? 303: No I never did in my life. I've heared 'em lots of other people talk and laugh and joke with one another but I but I never did use that word. Interviewer: What does it mean? to call someone that {NS} Is it bad or 303: {NW} Yes in a way it is. If you're mad {NS} and uh {NW} call a- a white fella {NS} a peckerwood he'd get mad at you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: Talking about {NS} cutting you up. {NS} And that's why I never do use it. I don't use that word. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You use it to call white people peckerwood? {NS} 303: No. Interviewer: Is that 303: {NW} I say some #1 some people # Interviewer: #2 I mean is # Is that how the word was used It mean a white person. 303: Yeah it means a white person. Interviewer: Oh I see. {NS} 303: And uh I never do born {NS} to say that about nobody. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: and uh And a white person don't a lot like it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} 303: And it sort of like it is about nigger. {NS} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 303: A nigger {X} That's different than a nigger. And the African niggers when they saw the {NS} kind of names they mixed up some of 'em you can't not tell them white people {X} {NS} Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: got mixed all away. and uh you can call one of them half yellow so and so or something and he and and then he won't kill you for it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: and uh {NS} And of course you couldn't help nobody can help the way they come up Interviewer: mm-hmm {NS} 303: and and so in the Summer t- they'd call 'em some of them's the blackest seem black as a pot. I'm black as that thing there. If you call him {NS} a pot {NS} Now some of them just will spit in your face. {NS} They don't like that just when they're black as a pot. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 303: But uh the African he's got great long curly hair and black curly hair and I think they got a good set of hair. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 303: They look good but they got thick lip mm-hmm their lips thick enough to put on the sole of a shoe. A full blooded African is and uh them is being trained by white people {NS} and they come out of the see they didn't know back yonder they didn't know how to do nothing. The white people went over there and trained 'em. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: And stayed with 'em and then some left there. some there's preachers went over there and preached to 'em and there's people went over there white people Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh {NS} learned 'em how to work. Interviewer: okay 303: make their own living. Now they're doing pretty well over in Africa now. Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and the African the nigger race is come from Africa then we started from the African Interviewer: mm-hmm 303: and uh now the white people don't hardly ever say nigger no more they say {NS} colored person. Or black person or brown person or a yellow person. That's the way they {NW} {X} {NS} That's what they mostly call 'em now. Interviewer: What's what's yellow? 303: What's yellow Interviewer: uh-huh you mean like Japanese or 303: #1 uh Japanese # Interviewer: #2 What do you mean? # 303: or red- red indian. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and {X} {NS} I don't know. {NS} Interviewer: What do- what do you what do you call yourself? 303: Now I'm a mixed I'm a mixed {NS} {X} {NS} and uh my grandpa uh t- 'til this {NS} my grandpa was Indian. Interviewer: uh-huh Would you call yourself red or #1 black or colored or # 303: #2 mm no mm no # No I call myself colored. Interviewer: uh-huh {NS} What other words are there for a colored person who has real light skin? {NS} 303: Mulatto {NS} mulatto. {NS} Interviewer: Mulatto? 303: Mulatto Interviewer: Is that someone who's part white? 303: Yes. Interviewer: #1 part colored # 303: #2 {X} # white person Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 303: #2 I # went to see a girl here. {NS} uh about a month ago and couldn't tell her put her out there and you couldn't tell if she was a white person to save your life. {NS} Interviewer: uh-huh 303: and uh {NS} She left the next week after I went to see her. I just went over there to talk to her. I didn't want to marry her. I didn't want {NS} nothing of that kind. I just wanted to talk to her and see how she talked. {NS} And she didn't talk {X} I didn't want her. Interviewer: yeah 303: because {NS} I was scared that I was darker different. Interviewer: uh-huh 303: from other people white people and now of course this girl was so much lighter than I am that's why I couldn't marry her. {X}