312:  I've got one of these machines and I have been afraid to {NW} to use it. I don't know. {C: laughing} I've a little nervous about it.
Interviewer:  Is it a Sony like that?
312:  It's a Sony. It's not as large as that but it is a Sony.
Interviewer:  Is it the two reels or
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  a cassette
312:  a cassette it's a cassette
Interviewer:  Oh th-those are so much easier than these
312:  It's a cassette.
Interviewer:  We have to thread these
312:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  and they're rough.
312:  Uh I got it when my husband was ill {X} that he had um been in the first world war and we wanted t- uh hi- have his reminiscences and I'd been trying to get him to write it and he wouldn't He just didn't do it and so we had that he had him put it on tape {D: and I so I} got it on I thought it was a friend loaned to us which he said was a tape recorder and it turned out to be a dictating machine.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh. #
312:  #2 #
Interviewer:  #1 What's the difference between the {X} #
312:  #2 # #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
312:  I don't know exactly. It's the same principle. But we tried to get that put on tapes in the dictating machine {C: Tape noise} and we had difficulty in trying to get anybody to do it. {C: Tape noise} I went to all these places around Nashville and nobody could do it. {C: Tape noise} So then uh {C: Tape noise} My next door neighbor that's Jack Dewitt who's the official in i- what W-S-M #1 television radio place #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah #
312:  So he said give it to me I'll have it. So they did it for me.
Interviewer:  Oh how nice.
312:  And then I had trouble getting it that was on regular big tapes you see. Then I had trouble getting it put onto from that onto a Sony. I finally found somebody could do that.
Interviewer:  That's good {C: laughing}
312:  I had a lot of trouble getting it done {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Okay. Did you have anybody write it down too?
312:  #1 Yes I did. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh #
312:  #1 I had that done. #
Interviewer:  #2 ah # That's interesting.
312:  And it was quite interesting. And he had done some work he was {X} professor at medical school for twenty-eight years at Vanderbilt. {C: Tape noise} And he had done some work there on this uh {C: Tape noise} um how do you call this um thing lung thing that they found at Vanderbilt. It's i- similar to uh T-B. T-B.
Interviewer:  Oh a lung disease
312:  It's um oh my goodness {C: whispering} that {X} {NW}
Interviewer:  I'm not much help.
312:  {NW} And he he saw he did some work recent work in that so he did he did {C: Tape noise} uh tape that too.
Interviewer:  I can't think of what that's called.
312:  Oh I've got it {C: whispering} {X} {C: whispering}
Interviewer:  That's good.
312:  {X} {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  {C: repeats previous part of recording. "Did you have anybody write it down? Yes I did"}
312:  I've got all my family history in these things {X} grandchildren so {NW} {C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Oh {NS}
312:  {X} {NS} {NW} {NW} {NS} That is strange. {X} the wrong {X} {NS}
Interviewer:  You said he was a teacher at Vanderbilt too?
312:  he taught in the medical school. {NS} strange {D: Why does it feel} Then my brother in law was at the Rockefeller institute. I don't know what Oh I know where that is I loaned it to somebody.
Interviewer:  Oh {NW}
312:  I got another copy in my granddaughter's {X} Something about my brother in law {NS} he had He was the one that discovered {NS} this D-N-A which is the
Interviewer:  He discovered D-N-A?
312:  Yes he did.
Interviewer:  What's his name again?
312:  Oswell T Avery. #1 And he discovered it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yes. #
312:  But he did not get the recognition that he should have gotten on it. Because uh the uh the uh
Interviewer:  {NW}
312:  histoplasmosis.
Interviewer:  What's it
312:  Histoplasmosis. #1 That is this lung thing that looks like T-B. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh I don't know #
312:  And they discovered here at Vanderbilt that it was something else
Interviewer:  And had to be treated in a different
312:  {X}
Interviewer:  Oh {NW}
312:  Well my brother in law was uh at Rockefeller institute S-S-A for thirty-five years. And he was in- instrumental in early in discovering a way to determine what pneumonia his was field was pneumonia. And discovered that pneumonia could be treated quickly.{C: Tape noise} Find out what it was very quickly.{C: Tape noise} He discovered the the methods #1 um #
Interviewer:  #2 #
312:  #1 discovering very quickly #
Interviewer:  #2 um #
312:  what type it was so that they could treat it. And he did that but then after he retired from Rockefeller they- he stayed on there for five years. They gave him a laboratory and and helpers and everything and he discovers D-N-A.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Oh okay. {X}
312:  And in about the seven {C: Tape noise} eight years ago {C: Tape noise} he died in fifty-five and about seven eight years ago they knew all {X} and um medical uh scientific journal came out with a uh interview with the man who discovered who uh uh was instrumental in well did give the scientific prizes the Nobel
Interviewer:  Oh oh.
312:  And he said that they had made many mistakes but the greatest mistake they had ever made was not giving it to {C: Tape noise} O-T Avery when he discovered it. They didn't{C: Tape noise} realize at the time what it was that he had discovered you see.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  #1 Oh didn't realize it {X} #
312:  #2 and he died before # they came to that realization
Interviewer:  #1 Oh how about that. #
312:  #2 {NW} Isn't that dreadful. # And the other day I heard a program on T-V on uh oh I- os-{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
312:  And discussing whether they were {X} or not or with an I-Q test {X} {C: Tape noise} and they brought up this man Watson who has been he had an uh Nobel on D-N-A. #1 See from #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
312:  what they {C: Tape noise} based on my brother in law's work you see. And he uh {D: well} it said he was the co-discoverer of D-N-A. {C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  The co-discoverer.
312:  #1 But he got the credit #
Interviewer:  #2 Did he even know your brother in law? #
312:  I don't know whether he did or not but he's been married to a woman many years younger but uh but it's just too bad cuz he didn't care.{C: Tape noise} It wouldn't made any difference to him {D: at all}. {C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
312:  But uh we {X} just died didn't uh get the recognition that he {X} couldn't give it to him because he died before they found out about it {NS: laughing} #1 you see. No evidently not. #
Interviewer:  #2 They don't ever award those uh postmortem # Oh that's a shame.
312:  So that's uh but that's {X} thing that I his- uh histoplasmosis we got him to he was instrumental in discovering that that had been found and the kind of thing that it was.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Histoplasmosis. And it's like pneumonia symptoms like T-B.
312:  Yes T-B.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
312:  #2 No uh T-B yes it was T-B. # Quite similar to T-B.{C: Tape noise} And they found out that it was something different {X} here at Vanderbilt.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Was that pretty recently?
312:  Oh it was in the thirties
Interviewer:  #1 Oh okay. #
312:  #2 {X} Not right {X} #
Interviewer:  I don't know a lot about medicine
312:  No it's not it's not very recent.{C: Tape noise} And then doctor uh uh Christy has taken that up. Now he did he's retired now also. But he {D: worked that up} and did a great deal of work on {C: Tape noise} {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. Now when I hear this again I'll know something about it.
312:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Thank you. # {NW} Okay now um will you tell me your full name
312:  {B} with a C {B}
Interviewer:  E-R-I that's my favorite way of spelling it.
312:  {B} Y
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {B} {D: uh it's} Avery.
Interviewer:  Avery. How do you spell that?
312:  A-V Uh {B}
Interviewer:  And that's your maiden name.
312:  That's my maiden name yeah.
Interviewer:  And is {B} your family name?
312:  Yes this is my grandmother up here and that was her name. {B}
Interviewer:  How beautiful {X}
312:  {D: And it was Diane} {X} but her {X} name was {B} That's why I was named for her.
Interviewer:  Aw that's nice. Okay uh why don't you tell me about your parents and your four grandparents and the descendants
312:  My uh
Interviewer:  countries they have descended from.
312:  Well we've lived in Nashville for {D: over} six generations {C: Tape noise} #1 that's where my family has {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Are you serious? six # Off of both sides?
312:  Off of um{C: Tape noise} Yes.
Interviewer:  Oh wow.
312:  Yes. And uh my grand my mother and father my mother lived to be ninety-three. My father lived to be eighty-six. And uh they uh lived in Nashville always and my grandmother and grandfather lived here always and my great great gr- great grandfather grandmother {C: laughing} they all {X} about seven generations
Interviewer:  #1 Oh #
312:  #2 {D: lived here} # in this and then behind you is my great great grandmother.
Interviewer:  Is she her mother?
312:  Her grandmother.
Interviewer:  Her grandmother.
312:  Her grandmother. Yes.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  That was painted in eighteen forty forty.
Interviewer:  #1 This one? Eighteen forty? #
312:  #2 Yeah. # She was only for- uh fifty-three when she died and that was painted when she was about fifty.
Interviewer:  She's beautiful.
312:  But she's looks like she was much older a person {X}
Interviewer:  Well her face but her face looks younger than fifty.
312:  Yes it does. This is the way they dressed then they they
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
312:  My great grandfather who was her father was uh had a was quite celebrated for a bookstore in Nashville. He had a bookstore back from eighteen bout eighteen thirty. Til after the Civil War. And he it was quite celebrated{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  #1 Oh. #
312:  #2 within the {D: Esquire} # And it was not just a bookstore it was sort of a gathering place for the learned men in town. They went there and they discussed political things and other things and it was sort of a a celebrated place.
Interviewer:  Tell me where the public square
312:  Public square is where they uh court house is right on the river.
Interviewer:  Okay. Mm-hmm.
312:  And this uh
Interviewer:  Is it still is the square still there #1 as big as it was? #
312:  #2 {X} # Well it's changed in the last few years. They've torn down so much. You know it's just too bad that they've done that. And it doesn't look as it did. The courthouse is still in the center and it's not the same courthouse that was there originally. They put this one up maybe oh twenty-five years ago or so. But uh the square just recently they've torn down some of it. Very old buildings there that too bad.
Interviewer:  #1 That's a real shame. They're doing that in Atlanta too. #
312:  #2 It's just too bad. # Oh I know it's just a shame that they do that.{C: Tape noise} But his bookstore was on public square. Later there was a transfer station there which was quite interesting. That was the streetcars all went through this transfer station.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  And you got off and changed for a nickel you could {X} go anywhere down you know {C: laughing} Get off at the transfer station get on another car and go {D: here there and yonder} And that was the same place that's the bookstore. But uh he was quite interesting character this grandfather. He was known as a union man during the Civil War cuz he didn't believe that the union should be dissolved.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  There were a good many people in Nashville #1 that felt that way yes. #
Interviewer:  #2 There were? # Was he unpopular?
312:  Well yes in a I think they were all uh rather unpopular though he stuck to his guns and kept his views alway- though he had a son who went into confederate army and died in there while he was in service. He was twenty-one. And uh well he stuck to his guns all the way through and they said there were some that did back in {X} {D: union were in} you know the confederates they would be for them you know that was in power at the time but he he stuck to it and he helped the confederates quite a bit all the time.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  But uh he stuck to it. We've always been rather proud of him for doing it.
Interviewer:  I would be too.
312:  #1 {NW} Yes #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} sticks to his guns even if I don't agree with him. #
312:  That's right yeah. But he di- it was not- nothing to do with slavery. It was just simply the his idea that that the union should be preserved. That is the reason for it. {D: So}
Interviewer:  Can you tell me now uh you've been here for six generations so before that where did your country {X}
312:  Well my uh {C: Tape noise} my one set came from North Carolina over Newburn North Carolina. Came there in seventeen hundred.
Interviewer:  Which set?
312:  That was the Bryants. Her husband this from the husband of miss Katherine Barry.
Interviewer:  And that's on your mother's side?
312:  My mother's side.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  They came from North Carolina.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  And where did they come to North Carolina from? England or
312:  From England.{C: Tape noise} {X} And uh then I have that family all the back to nine ninety in France when they would be R-I-E-N-N-E's.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  And uh then uh of {C: Tape noise} the Barrys {C: Tape noise} came here from Maryland. They settled in Maryland. First they came over from England. And I think I- I can't pin point them back exactly but I think they were from Uh Dover. Uh not Dover but down in Dever England.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
312:  Well {D: cuz} I have some records that {C: Tape noise} have these people the same Barrys of the same name there that I think they must've been but we lack a generation or two there that we can't pin point. But uh they came from England. They came from Maryland and then they came down here in eighteen fifteen from Maryland and settled in Hickman county Tennessee. A whole group of them came from Maryland at that time and settled down there. Then uh my father's family came from uh Virginia originally. There into Kentucky into Lexington and then down here.
Interviewer:  And are they both from Where were they from before Virginia?
312:  In uh Wales.
Interviewer:  Wales.
312:  Yes. Welsh.
Interviewer:  Is Avery a Welsh name?
312:  Uh Avery is English I think. Or it was originally French. I think they came over with the Normans.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  My husband said it was uh A-U-B-R-E-Y in France.
Interviewer:  Like Aubrey?
312:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Kind of. # #1 Probably not pronounced that way. #
312:  #2 In France. # No in France. But uh I think that's it came over with the conqueror. But uh And my he my husband's family his father and mother came from England direct in eighteen seventy-three and settled in Canada. in- at Halifax. His father was a baptist minister. And s- and he was a uh belonged to the episcopal church in England and then he was uh converted to baptist church by Spurgeon who was a very famous evangelist in England at that time.
Interviewer:  Ah.
312:  It was like there were some {X} here {X}
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
312:  #2 {X} kind of thing. # Well not Billy Sunday but Billy Graham {X} going back too far.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  I've heard of Billy Sunday. {NW}
312:  {X} Anyway uh he came over to{C: Tape noise} to Canada to Halifax to found a church in Halifax.{C: Tape noise} And my husband and his brothers were born in Halifax. And then they came to New York. He accepted a call to a church a mission church in the Bowery in New York when my husband was just eighteen months old.
Interviewer:  Oh. {C: laughing}
312:  And we came down there {C: laughing} and uh had this church in the Bowery and uh he died. He worked himself to death I think. Died when my husband was just six years old.
Interviewer:  Aw.
312:  So his mother stayed on as a miss- she was a missionary there too and that's where they lived in New York {X}. And then uh let's see my {X}
Interviewer:  Now how long how long uh did your husband's parents live in New York?
312:  Oh they lived there and his mother died in nineteen ten.{C: Tape noise} And his father died in nineteen hundred and one or two I think. Something like that.
Interviewer:  So his mother died when he was very young too.
312:  Well
Interviewer:  Twelve?
312:  Oh no no he was grown when his mother was he was born eight- eighteen eighty-five.
Interviewer:  {NW} Oh I see.
312:  You see.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  And so he was he was grown when his mother died. And uh my husband went to university of Connecticut and was graduate at the university of Connecticut and then received uh a degree from the university of Massachusetts. Uh M-A. And then he got a P-H-D at Vanderbilt and he came down here nineteen twenty-five. He came down here when the Vanderbilt medical school was reorganized and moved where it is now
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  on the west campus i- it was over in south Nashville before that.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  And then it was moved down t- over to the west campus in nineteen twenty-five and reorganized and my husband came down with the doctors who came from New York from he was at Columbia before he came to Nashville. And then they {X} doctors from Columbia. Rockefeller and uh Johns Hopkins came down here to reorganize the medical school.
Interviewer:  Well they picked good schools
312:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 to have them reorganize it. #
312:  So that's uh when he came here.
Interviewer:  Okay now tell me about yourself. Um How old are you first of all?
312:  I'm- will be eighty-one in September. {C: both laughing}
Interviewer:  Alright and so that's okay so you're eighty right now.
312:  #1 Yeah that's right. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Eighty-one in September. Okay and tell me about your schooling.
312:  Well my schooling I came at a period came along when either girls went to college or not I mean it was just at the period when they were beginning to think about going to college
Interviewer:  #1 don't you see? #
312:  #2 Oh I see yeah mm-hmm # They hadn't done it before.
Interviewer:  Right.
312:  It was just on the verge you you did or didn't. And I didn't. I went to Ward Belmont. I went to Belmont college which was before that was not as it is now.
Interviewer:  I don't know Belmont college.
312:  See Belmont college was a girls school Ward seminary was in Nashville right in the middle of the city.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
312:  It was on eighth avenue and church street right there in the middle of the city.
Interviewer:  Right downtown.
312:  That was a fe- uh girls boarding school. Belmont was out where it is where it wa- where Bel- #1 {X} is now. #
Interviewer:  #2 {C: Laughing} # Where is that?
312:  That's out on se- at the end of sixteenth avenue at the very far end of music city.
Interviewer:  Okay right.
312:  Sixteenth avenue. Well it was an old home. The {X} family had this very beautiful {C: Tape noise} home and the house is still standing and they're restoring it now.{C: Tape noise} Beautiful antebellum{C: Tape noise} mansion there. And two ladies miss {D: Hood} and miss {D: Helen} bought {X} late nineties I think{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
312:  And had a girls school there. Boarding school.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  {X} college age girls then?
312:  Well it was no it was called Belmont college {X} it was not a college.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  It was a girls boarding school.
Interviewer:  For high school age girls?
312:  Yes. And and colle- and uh Two year college.
Interviewer:  I see.
312:  And so uh I lived right across the street from the school so I went but with {X} very few boarding students.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
312:  And I went I mean they st- I went there{C: Tape noise} had a great many boarding students from all over the south.{C: Tape noise} And I {X} and I went there.{C: Tape noise} Uh and then then in nineteen thirteen Ward. Miss h-Hood and miss Helen were getting along in years and decided they'd like to get out of the business and so Ward seminary wanted to move out from town so they bought the school you see and began {D: Ward at} Belmont.
Interviewer:  Oh I see.
312:  And it was a very fine school{C: Tape noise} there {X} and then it became quite a{C: Tape noise} uh big day student. They had a great many day students and very fine school {D: uh high} and and two years college.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
312:  But So I went the first year. I finished up the first year of Ward Belmont. And I'd head ba- actually it's equivalent of two years of college #1 but that was that was it. #
Interviewer:  #2 uh huh, okay #
312:  Then I went to art school there for quite a while and and helped assisted in our department for several years. Then I I went into commercial artwork. I did some com- about three years commercial artwork before my marriage.
Interviewer:  I see.
312:  So that's that was mine.
Interviewer:  Alright did you work any after your marriage?
312:  Uh no just no no didn't work any after marriage.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Alright. Will you draw me a picture since you're {C: laughing} commercial artist at one time uh the house that you grew up in?
312:  Well
Interviewer:  Uh just a blueprint a floor plan of the rooms
312:  Oh
Interviewer:  So I can see how big it was.
312:  Well it was um my father built this house in nineteen seven up on that uh second door from{C: Tape noise} Ward Belmont up on top of the hill.
Interviewer:  Is it still there?
312:  No it's in the middle of the- uh the sight of it is in the middle of the intersection that they had torn down everything {D: by it} {C: laughing} {D: And I thought alright} {C: laughing} Uh let's see. It had a porch no {X} {D: this porch actually this way} came out here there. Now th- it had a hall. That's where they had then. They didn't have It had an entrance hall. And then the stairway went up here into a side hall. There's a living room here.{C: Tape noise} {X} hall. And uh this was stairway.
Interviewer:  Show me the front show me the door.
312:  This is the door here.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
312:  #2 This is the front door. #
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  This the porch here. And then that right here is the dining room. And there's a pantry here and we- there's a pantry there and the kitchen here.{C: Tape noise} {X} this hall and there's a door outside{C: Tape noise} there.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Okay will you name those rooms too?
312:  This is a dining alright and kitchen.
Interviewer:  Okay. {C: whispering}
312:  And pantry. And uh then upstairs there were four bedrooms. porch out here. {D: Stay away from here.} {C: whispering} And a bath there. You know. It's nineteen hundred and seven. It just had one bath for four bedrooms. And uh there's a hall here. Uh. I don't know exactly {X} {C: whispering} There {X} here {C: whispering} This {D: isn't very} and a stairway there. That's right it's bigger than that but that's fine {C: laughing}.
Interviewer:  That's close enough.
312:  {NW} Uh this was a a closet here. You know you didn't have closets in those days. They didn't build closets.
Interviewer:  What would they have?
312:  They had wardrobes.
Interviewer:  Oh those pieces of furniture.
312:  Yes and so we had a a big closet here between these two rooms. Uh but W- decided they need another bathroom so they made a bath out of that.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  And so that eliminated that closet. So when I built my home In nineteen thirty-four woodmont estates it's uh on the other end of woodmont boulevard I decided that I wanted all the closets I could possibly have.
Interviewer:  {NW}
312:  So I had a closet in every crack and corner in that place and I do miss them. I can tell you.
Interviewer:  I bet.
312:  {X} little porch here and steps going down that side there.{C: Tape noise} Had this hallway.
Interviewer:  So you had two porches upstairs too.
312:  I had a- no just one porch. That's a- this is a- oh wait a minute this downstairs that's wrong.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  This is the porch is out here on this downstairs.{C: Tape noise} Steps going out here. here a walkway. {X}
Interviewer:  Okay. So that was the back door.
312:  Yeah {D: that's just a} street yes {X}
Interviewer:  Now this porch that looks #1 hung over the kitchen kinda? #
312:  #2 That's a little porch # Uh no it's outside. There was a little porch oh wait there a little porch down here under it. {X}
Interviewer:  And this one was on top of that?
312:  Yeah that's on top of that. {X}
Interviewer:  I see.
312:  Um there are four bedrooms and an enormous attic over the whole thing.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Over the whole thing?
312:  Yes. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  {X} a nice house. Why don't we just call these bedrooms so nobody'll get confused. Alright now w- were any of these porches screened in?
312:  No. No.
Interviewer:  Okay. They were all just
312:  {X} Just this porch is. That is before this got screening in things so much you know
Interviewer:  Okay um. Uh let me ask you something we've got something in your living room that you burn a fire in and the smoke goes up. What do you call that?
312:  A mantel. I mean a fireplace.
Interviewer:  Okay and did you have one?
312:  Yes. Oh yes.
Interviewer:  And what do you call the thing that uh the smoke goes up?
312:  I had one here. Chimney.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  Uh there
Interviewer:  Three.
312:  And had one in this room. Didn't have one in th- oh yes we did have one in this room.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  And those two had to keep the other two bedrooms warm?
312:  Well they- we had a furnace.
Interviewer:  Oh you did.
312:  Yes it was a furnace. But we had these fireplaces. Because you didn't trust the furnaces. Where I had lived before we didn't have a furnace. And we didn't have electricity. And when we moved up here my father put in electricity but he didn't trust it.
Interviewer:  {NW} Aw.
312:  We had all the {X} fixtures were gas and electricity.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  We never used the gas but he didn't trust the electricity so he had the gas just in case you see.{C: Tape noise} And i- it were never used. {X} But but they all the fixtures had the gas things went up electric tric-tric- went down
Interviewer:  {NW} And you never had to use gas?
312:  Never had to use the ga- well we used the gas in the kitchen stove
Interviewer:  Oh of course.
312:  But they didn't use the gas as as lights. But he didn't trust it. {NW} Cuz we hadn't had electricity was young.
Interviewer:  It was new.
312:  #1 {X} {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Newfangled. Young. # Alright um when you're building a fire you have one log that's bigger than all the rest of 'em. Do you have a special name for that?
312:  That's a yule log. Or that's what you use at Christmas time.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh but just in general.
312:  Oh I don't {X} (X} I don't know.
Interviewer:  Okay. If you don't have a special word for it
312:  I don't have a special name.
Interviewer:  Alright how about the little pieces of wood that you start the fire?
312:  Kindling.
Interviewer:  Okay. Any other names for that? {X} Alright. Uh have you ever heard of light wood?
312:  No.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Uh what do you call the uh black stuff that forms inside the chimney?
312:  Oh soot?
Interviewer:  Okay. Now what do you call that piece of furniture that you're {X}
312:  Chair.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Alright. What do you call this piece of furniture?
312:  {X}
Interviewer:  Uh let's see I don't think we've talked about this yet. Um There's {X} in here. A piece of furniture usually in the bedroom with drawers in it that
312:  Uh chest chest of drawers. #1 Or a bureau it could be. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Alright um} # Okay. You would call it either?
312:  I would call it a chest of drawers. Now in the old days they were bureaus. And they had a mirror attached to them.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
312:  That was a bureau but I wouldn't call what I have now{C: Tape noise} a che- a a bureau. I would call it a chest of drawers.
Interviewer:  Because it doesn't have a mirror?
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um I- what do you call think maybe you've already mentioned this but what do you call all this stuff together that you fill up a house with?
312:  Furniture.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now then um If you have You don't want the light to come into your window and you have something on rollers that you pull down.
312:  Shade.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about the ones that have um I don't know how to describe it. They have slats.
312:  Oh uh venetian blind yeah.
Interviewer:  Okay. Let's see now you've talked about all these. There's a- these are all the rooms in the house. You've talked about most of it. Oh what do you call a lot of old worthless things that you're worth- worthless things that you're about to throw away?
312:  {D: uh} stuff {NW} That's what I just got rid of a lot of stuff. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  #1 Do you ever call it anything else? #
312:  #2 And it's # It's uh I don't know. {D: I try} to remember. But I did get rid of what I've been calling it lately is stuff. Because {C: laughing} And and I got a good deal of money for that stuff.
Interviewer:  Did you?
312:  Yes.{C: laughing} {NW} It's amazing what people will pay for that. {NW}
Interviewer:  Would you ever call it junk?
312:  Yes. Junk is a {NW} name for it.
Interviewer:  Did you ever I don't think you had one in this house but some people have a room in their house that they use just to put junk in.
312:  Oh I didn't have- we had the attic in this #1 that you put the junk in. #
Interviewer:  #2 okay # Alright have you ever heard of a plunder room?
312:  I've heard of it but it's not it's not uh usual in this part of the country.
Interviewer:  Okay. Where is- I think it's in Alabama isn't it?
312:  I don't know but it's not- that's not a Nashville name{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay. {X} If you're doing the daily housework you might say you're go around dusting and sweeping
312:  Cleaning?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Okay. What do you call the thing that you sweep with?
312:  A vacuum cleaner.{C: Tape noise} Oh you mean a broom?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Alright. If the broom is in the corner and the door is open you say the broom is where compared to the door?
312:  I don't- I don't understand {X}
Interviewer:  Okay um say to give you a demonstration
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Say the broom is here.
312:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  And you were {X} say it was compared to the door.
312:  I've heard of it but{C: Tape noise} {NW}
Interviewer:  Some of these are hard to explain for me.
312:  Oh.
Interviewer:  Okay. Let's see. {C: whispering} Alright uh Years ago on Monday women usually did their
312:  Washing.
Interviewer:  And then on Tuesday?
312:  Ironing.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And what if you- what might you call the two together? I have to go do
312:  Laundry.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  {D: Okay.}
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Alright if the door is open and you don't want it that way you might say
312:  Close it. Close it?
Interviewer:  Okay. What do you call the boards on the outside of the house that lap over each other?
312:  Oh uh um Clap boards
Interviewer:  Okay. Um say you were gonna get in your car and go somewhere you would say {X}
312:  Drive.
Interviewer:  Alright. If you got in your car yesterday and went somewhere you?
312:  I drove.
Interviewer:  Alright.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And then you might say well ever since I got my license I have
312:  Driven.{C: Tape noise} {NW}
Interviewer:  There's an example
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Alright what do you call the part that covers the top of the house?
312:  A chi- a roof.
Interviewer:  Okay. What do you call uh the little things along the edge of the roof that carry the water off?
312:  Oh. Gutters.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um what do you call a little building out back that's used for storing wood?
312:  Lean to? No that would be if you had it attached to the house.
Interviewer:  Oh is that the difference? Those are attached to the house?
312:  Yes the lean to is attached to the house. Um I don't know. A- a woodshed.
Interviewer:  Okay. How about if it had tools in it?
312:  Tool shed.
Interviewer:  Alright.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay uh before people had bathrooms indoors they had 'em outside.
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  What'd you call those?
312:  I- I called them- I don't think they're privies.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
312:  That's one {D: name} Uh
Interviewer:  Was that a polite name?
312:  Uh let me see what were they called? A privy is not the name that I would have called it. That is the name or the accepted name for it. But out {C: Tape noise} {D: Oh dear.} But I don't think we called it a privy.
Interviewer:  Would you call it an outhouse?
312:  Outhouse.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  And did you have any um joking names for it? Any names that maybe weren't so polite?
312:  No I don't remember any.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh Alright I think I'm gonna go on to the stuff about Nashville now.
312:  Alright.
Interviewer:  We- then we'll go back to the farm maybe tomorrow. Okay. Will you tell me what the major parts of Nashville are. How it's kind of divided up.
312:  Well there's uh the main part of Nashville. There's east Nashville. And uh
Interviewer:  And what kind of a section is that?
312:  Well now it was back oh before in the eighties and nineties a very good section. As they say s- now that it was the Belle Meade of Nashville and I don't think that. I don't think it ever was that.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  But it was a good very good section of town and then people began to move ba- move over into west side and it uh over out into west end and {x} park. then uh there's south Nashville which is a very poor section. East Nashville is not uh too good now.
Interviewer:  Okay. Is it has it become integrated?
312:  Yes very much so.
Interviewer:  Oh okay.
312:  Yes. And uh south Nashville has always been a poor- well no I take that back. Back in the early days when the university was there university of Nashville
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
312:  was there is was a very good section back in I would say in the sixties eighteen sixties seventies it was very good in south Nashville. That is out if you go down church uh fourth avenue and fifth avenue on #1 {X} beyond broad street out that way is south Nashville. {C: Tape noise} #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah # I've been there.
312:  I know it. Now there uh there precluding a lot in south Nashville as speaking of it that I don't consider south Nashville at all. South Nashville was back out there. It was a very poor section later.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  Uh has been for a good many years. West Nashville Now we are included in speaking of it as west Nashville but I don't consider that we're in west Nashville at all. West Nashville to me has always been out over the other side of west end avenue. Way over
Interviewer:  Past Belle Meade?
312:  Past past oh oh yes. Way over that way, You see here's uh west end goes this way you see and over there is was where the penitentiary is on Charlotte avenue you see that was west Nashville to me always. #1 Now they're including us in west Nashville and I do- I resent it. #
Interviewer:  #2 {C: laughing} #
312:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 # Okay what kind of an area is west Nashville?
312:  Well it's poor.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  Poor area.
Interviewer:  Or the area you consider west Nashville.
312:  Well well yeah that I consider west Nashville yes. And it's and that's where this university is out there #1 and it's {x} there you see. #
Interviewer:  #2 oh #
312:  That's uh that's {X} and it isn't too good. But th- the best section is out this way and it takes {X} territory through {NS} excuse me.{C: Tape noise} {NS}
Interviewer:  There's someone at your door too. Shall I get it?
312:  No I'm not. {NW} They're no good {X} I didn't know {X} When it was stuck {X} {X} Alright you do that. {NS}
Interviewer:  {NW}
312:  {X}
Interviewer:  Oh. {C: laughing} Was she trying to open a can or so-
312:  Yeah open a a casserole that somebody had given.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  It had frozen.
Interviewer:  Oh is this your kitchen?
312:  Yes this is my kitchen. And I
Interviewer:  How cute.
312:  Oh I've been making {D: prince} jelly and that's why all the pots and pans are still there.
Interviewer:  #1 It's so cute. #
312:  #2 Um and it's very different {X} #
Interviewer:  I know it {X} much counter space.
312:  No. I'm doing it for traveler's rest which is a museum {X} run by the colonial dames and we have a fair the first of September {C: Tape noise} in one day and will make a tremendous amount of money.
Interviewer:  Now who are the colonial dames?
312:  That's the national society of colonial dames of America.
Interviewer:  So like the daughters of the American revolution?
312:  Well we consider ourselves {X} {D: beyond} {C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  I see. {NW}
312:  Well you have to be before the revolution.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh #
312:  #2 You see this comes # You have to have your ancestors had to have some civic office or uh oh uh an officer in the army before July the fourth seventeen seventy-six.
Interviewer:  Ah ha. {NW} That's- I like that.
312:  Anyway we have a house out here off of the franklin road that's a very old place that we have had our museum house and we to raise money to operate the place it takes a good deal of money. It is open to the public. And uh we have this fair one day in the first of September and we raise- astonishingly I have never understood how we do it it's ama- #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 I see #
312:  #1 {X} we took in twenty-seven thousand dollars. #
Interviewer:  #2 # Wow. {NW} #1 {D: Must be something there.} #
312:  #2 And we wait all year # on this and I make a great deal of jelly and pickle for it and I didn't know whether I'd be able to do it. I've just been in this apartment not quite a year and well I would be able to do it this year not I'm making the jelly. I can't make the {X} this year because the pickle is mustard {X} smells too {D: loud}
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  {NW} be able to do that but I am trying to make the jelly.
Interviewer:  {NW} That's funny.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You probably smell up the whole hallway.
312:  Oh it would be horrible if I did pickle
Interviewer:  Okay um more neighborhoods.
312:  Alright.
Interviewer:  We've just been {D: talking}
312:  Uh let's see. Well you see the best as the years have gone on I remember when I was a child small child uptown was a residential a good part of it was residential {X} just beginning to {D: come} out {C: Tape noise} and uh sixth avenue my uncle and aunt lived and my grandmother ha- they lived in the same house on sixth avenue right uh below the sa- {D: Hunditch} hotel right there on that {X} big old house with columns at the front and then all the very {X} people lived on eighth avenue {C: Tape noise} from church to broad homes. They were all reside- residences in there in the early nineteen hundreds you see. And then it began to gradually move out out west end.
Interviewer:  I see.
312:  Out that way and it gradually and uh {C: Tape noise} First it was all residential then it That- vanderbilt university was built in seventeen in eighteen seventy-five. And it was in the country. Way out in the country you see. And it gradually came out that way and all the residents {NW}{C: Tape noise} residential got to be the most important residentials all along that street and it just gradually came out and out and out until it got out into Belle Meade which is the residential {X}.{C: Tape noise} {X} now you see.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Is it the {X}
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  #1 What about uh #
312:  #2 {X} on into {D: Chickaree} and {D: Rould} and on out into there over Belle Meade goes on out you see. #
Interviewer:  What about up by the lake where the country music {X}
312:  Well that's uh {C: Tape noise} uh a great many of these people that live in Belle Meade have- has co- cottages have summer places out there. #1 Some of them do who that are #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh! #
312:  interested in water sports and that sort of thing or have boats you see. On the river. On the uh lake.
Interviewer:  I see.
312:  And uh it but west end and all this section out here in Belle Meade is really the best section{C: Tape noise} and Hillsborough and {X} it's all a good section of town.
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright alright now are those the- all the sections you can think of?
312:  #1 Yes. Yes that's #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
312:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 # Okay. Where are the main offices of the biggest banks located?
312:  Oh downtown uh on on uh {X} national bank is on union street which is the financial street of Nashville.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Okay that's {X} {NW}
312:  And then of course the other banks all clustered around.
Interviewer:  And how about the oldest and largest stores?
312:  Well {D: ken sloane} is is {X} and {D: casternaut} are on church street downtown. They have branches out. They are the largest and oldest stores{C: Tape noise} here.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {X} came in later but uh they are the oldest.
Interviewer:  Alright with that uh the financial district and the stores
312:  #1 are right th- down {X} yes #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} {D: would you say} #
312:  Right there in- in the center of the city.{C: Tape noise} And the and the uh uh the insurance companies {D: national} life and L-N-C{C: Tape noise} tower they're all right in the center of the city.
Interviewer:  Okay. And church street that is the main street.
312:  #1 That is the main street. #
Interviewer:  #2 That's like the peachtree street of atlanta isn't it? #
312:  Yes it was spring street originally
Interviewer:  #1 Was it? #
312:  #2 {X} # {D: Replaced it} because there was a spring down where the the the uh first uh settlement {X} {D: Nashborough} was right at the base of on the river uh at church street. and it was called spring street but then all the churches began to build on that street
Interviewer:  #1 so they called it church street. #
Interviewer:  #2 {C: laughing} # Makes sense. {NW} When when did that change {X}?
312:  Uh well {NW} I'm of sixth generation of the first presbyter- was the first presbyterian church is is now the downtown presbyterian church which we had a split in nineteen fifty-five and they went out to {D: grantling} road and built a mansion church out there. And uh we stayed downtown. But that was built in eighteen fourteen originally.
Interviewer:  #1 The first presbyterian #
312:  #2 Uh the first # Uh i- yeah it was was the first church in {x} the downtown presbyterian church.{C: Tape noise} The first building was built in eighteen fourteen and then uh that burned in eighteen thirty-two and then that building burned in eighteen forty-eight and the one that's there now was built in after in eighteen forty-eight to fifty-one.
Interviewer:  Well that's still a very {X}
312:  It's a very old building and it's a very{C: Tape noise} it's very uh historic and um interesting{C: Tape noise} architecturally because it is in the Egyptian style of architecture.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Is it?
312:  #1 Yes it is. You must see it. #
Interviewer:  #2 I'll have to go see it. # Where is it on church
312:  It's right on the corner of fifth and church. It's a great bi- you can't #1 miss it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh #
312:  It's a great big building with two tall big towers. It's most interesting.
Interviewer:  I'm presbyterian myself.
312:  Are you? Well my daughter goes to the central presbyterian.
Interviewer:  Oo yeah. That's too far downtown for me. #1 We have a neighborhood church. #
312:  #2 Well she went first at um # a church in Decatur. {C: Tape noise} the uh north Decatur
Interviewer:  That's my church.
312:  Is it? Well she was there.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  {NW}
312:  And then she went- she moved over. She went to another uh new northern presbyterian church out there that was just beginning. I've forgotten it's saint saint something. And uh But she I don't know. They didn't like that somehow and they decided to go to the central. So they went to central.
Interviewer:  Have you seen central?
312:  #1 Yes I I've been there. It's right down in the middle of town yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 It's right downtown. # have you seen the north Decatur one too?
312:  Uh not rece- yes I have.
Interviewer:  It looks like a
312:  Oh yes. {X} when she was there.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now uh we talked about the neighborhoods once
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  but are there any neighborhoods that are- particularly identified with certain nationality? Maybe a Greek neighborhood or a Jewish neighborhood or Uh
312:  Mm
Interviewer:  Spanish?
312:  No I don't think so.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  I don't believe so. It used to be way back {X} back in in uh north Nashville there was a German settlement. That was there early though and the- before the Civil War and some Germans came and they settled there down in that section. I think th- I read recently there's a church down there catholic church that was uh built at that time.
Interviewer:  Oh.
312:  Still operating.
Interviewer:  Does it still have services in German?
312:  I don't know.
Interviewer:  Oh okay. But are there descendants still in that area?
312:  There's still some that are still around. I don't know whether they're all in that area. There may be some but{C: Tape noise} there's still s- descendants in Nashville.
Interviewer:  I notice a lot of German names just going through the phone book.
312:  Germans but there's not they're not segregated into one place.
Interviewer:  Oh no I I just thought maybe
312:  And the Jews are just mixed around.
Interviewer:  Okay. Then- but there are black neighborhoods.
312:  Oh yes.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now are there names for these neighborhoods that outsiders like myself wouldn't recognize? Do you have any
312:  Well cuz there's green hill. That's on hillsborough road. That is a new fairly new I moved there in thirty-four and it was just beginning. It wasn't green hills then but it was came in later just after that in the forties I should say. That's an uh an area.
Interviewer:  A black area?
312:  #1 No no it's not a black no that's a good area. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh oh I'm sorry. #
312:  But uh no I don't know of any uh except in south Nashville and north Nashville{C: Tape noise} are the black areas.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  And out in is becoming west Nashville. And they've built it into over into Belmont and into the music city area. The blacks have have come over there.
Interviewer:  Okay. Um {X} we talked about {X} Alright can you talk to thank you Can you talk to me about uh some of the local landmarks. Now I know about Opryland and music road
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  What are some other
312:  #1 Well well there's centennial park #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} parks and {X} # Yeah.
312:  And it's that was the centen- see centen- {D: as there.} In eighteen seventy-six.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Was that- tell me
312:  I mean eighteen ninety-seven. {D:I'm getting} mixed up
Interviewer:  Oh it's not eighteen seventy-six?
312:  No eighteen ninety-seven.
Interviewer:  Oh for Tennessee.
312:  Tennessee. For Tennessee.{C: Tape noise} It should have been ninety six but they couldn't get it ready for ninety six.{C: Tape noise} {NW} But that was the centennial park.
Interviewer:  Now is the ce- is centennial park ever called by anything any other names?
312:  No.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  They they uh see they had all the buildings there. It was quite a big thing. And uh then afterward they tore down most of the buildings except the Parthenon which they kept. And then that was a rather temporary building course for the centennial.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And then it stayed there until in the thirties when they made it a permanent thing. Thirty {X} thirty-four thirty-five in there they built it {X} concrete and they {x} building of it{C: Tape noise} It's pretty. I saw it yesterday. #1 Very nice #
312:  #2 Uh # Well let's see. There's uh {X}{C: Tape noise} there was the hermitage. It's outside of Nashville.{C: Tape noise} Twelve miles out. {X} Jackson {X}{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  If I get a chance
312:  I'm on the board there. I've been on that board for thirty-five thirty years or so. I don't know how long. {C: laughing} And uh {C: laughing} that's uh twelve miles from Nashville
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  That's very worthwhile. And then they we have also the home of Andrew Jackson's secretary and nephew who is across the road which is {x} That's a very beautiful home too. That's connected with the hermitage. And and traveler's rest is this museum house that um speaking of a while ago it's very interesting. That's out off the franklin road.
Interviewer:  Did it used to be an inn?
312:  #1 No it was not. It was a very very #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} Oh. #
312:  very uh important national family the Elberton family which was a very very one of the very fine old families here. And they say that travelers used to come and they'd take them in and they just got to be called traveler's rest and some man came and stayed was to stay over night and lived there 'til he died.
Interviewer:  {NW}
312:  But it's uh it's just a family home. It was a family home.
Interviewer:  That's interesting. Alright um if you were flying home from New York say Where would you say you land?
312:  At the airport.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Now uh you call it the airport. So do I but what's it's name?
312:  Uh Oh dear. What is its name? {D: Bearfield}
Interviewer:  Okay. Does anybody ever refer to it as {X}
312:  Not not really {C: laughing} {NW}
Interviewer:  Just the airport.
312:  Yes.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Alright if you were driving in from out of state on one of those real big roads. What are those called?
312:  Uh interstate.
Interviewer:  Okay. Say you were coming in from Atlanta or from Chattanooga.
312:  I'd come on the interstate uh {D: which} is that twenty-four.
Interviewer:  Okay. Do you- would you normally call it by a number?
312:  No I wouldn't.
Interviewer:  You'd just say that
312:  It's just interstate.
Interviewer:  Alright. Uh where might you stop along the interstate? To rest or
312:  Oh at uh the uh Now what do they call those places?
Interviewer:  They have picnic grounds.
312:  I know. {NW} There's {D: one first} before you get into Chattanooga.{C: Tape noise} Uh rest stop? {X}
Interviewer:  If that's what you call it.
312:  #1 Well there's uh there's uh #
Interviewer:  #2 That's what I call it. #
312:  Another name for those that have houses.{C: Tape noise} Uh What do you call it? Rest areas? I guess that that's it.
Interviewer:  Those that have houses?
312:  I mean the- with uh rest rooms.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh oh yeah. #
312:  #2 That's uh {X} you see. #
Interviewer:  And those are different from rest stops?
312:  There's a little bit different name for them. I can't recall right now.
Interviewer:  I don't know either.
312:  But it's uh just a rest area. I'm not sure. It may be just the same.
Interviewer:  Okay. Well do you call it the same?
312:  #1 I guess I {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {C: laughing} # Okay. {NW} What do you call the thing that's painted down the road to help you stay in your lane?
312:  Oh.
Interviewer:  Down the middle of the road.
312:  {D: oh uh} Line? Yellow line?
Interviewer:  Okay. Alright. Uh when you wanna get off one of those interstates
312:  Uh exit.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh do you have- alright that's uh a limited access road because you know {X}
312:  #1 Yes. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
312:  #1 That's right. #
Interviewer:  #2 # Are there any other kinds of limited access roads especially those that go through the city?
312:  Yes there's uh uh Now what do they call this? They just they haven't gotten it finished here. Uh. Now the one in {D: Atlanta} I know is is{C: Tape noise} two twenty eight. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Oh two eighty-three?
312:  Two eighty-five yes. {C: laughing} Uh um let's see what do they call inter- inter loop I believe they're going to call this one at Nashville.
Interviewer:  The inter loop?
312:  Inter loop {X} it's going to be called. It's not finished.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Okay. We call ours the perimeter.
312:  I know. That's
Interviewer:  In Washington they call it the beltway.
312:  Oh yes they
Interviewer:  So everybody's different name.
312:  yeah the perimeter's in Atlanta. I remember that. I get on that and go one stop and get off to go to {D: Martha's}
Interviewer:  That's right. That would {X} I'm getting homesick. {NW} Okay uh We talked about the main streets. Alright uh if you Alright a- a place in the road where you have to stop and wait for the train to go across. What's that called?
312:  Um. Oh dear. {C: very softly} Railroad crossing.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  How about if it went over you and just- it didn't need to stop. It just
312:  Uh that would be a uh overpass.
Interviewer:  Okay. Would you ever call it a viaduct?
312:  Yes. The viaduct we have one and that is a viaduct{C: Tape noise} over broad street over the used to be the railroad tracks at union station in front of the union station. #1 That is a viaduct. #
Interviewer:  #2 That's right. #
312:  We have two. We have the west end #1 uh broad street viaduct and the church street viaduct. #
Interviewer:  #2 {C: laughing} #
312:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # I guess I went over the broad street one.
312:  Ah you went over the broad street one. And the next one over is church street and that's the church street viaduct.
Interviewer:  Well what's the difference then between a viaduct and a
312:  Well I think it it in my mind a viaduct is a much larger thing than- than a just a overpass of a railroad track. That- this went over a great many tracks you see.
Interviewer:  Right. It sure did. {NW} I though we were going over a {X} Okay if you were going to park say you're parking downtown and the cars are against the the curb like this and you have to you know come in.
312:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Get yourself in there. What's that called? What kind of parking is that?
312:  Um. Parking? {X} I'd just park. That's all. Oh uh uh Wait a minute. {X} What'd you call it? {D: very softly} {D: I don't know} It's {X}
Interviewer:  Would you call it parallel parking?
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {NW} I couldn't think of it. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  I like to yeah. Okay.
312:  Parallel parking. {C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  What would you call the kind of parking where you uh find a parking lot and it's like that? Does that have a special name? And you just pull yourself into one of these?
312:  I don't uh #1 I don't use a special name for it. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Okay.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay. How about if it's you're you're going to- the parking places are like this against the side of i- against the curb.
312:  Diagonal.
Interviewer:  Okay. Okay fine. Now what do you call those uh little things about this high that fire hoses are plugged into?
312:  Oh oh a- a fire hydrant.
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh Where are some places to park downtown? I know there are not very many.
312:  Parking garages and parking lots.
Interviewer:  Alright. And what is a parking garage? Is it just one story or
312:  Oh no it's uh it's several stories yes.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. Would you ever call that a #
312:  #2 Multiple stories. #
Interviewer:  a parking ramp?
312:  Well they that's what most of 'em are now.{C: Tape noise} They- you have to park your own in most of these downtown now.
Interviewer:  Oh so a ramp is where you park your own?
312:  Ramp. Yeah you go- goes round and round #1 and round. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
312:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 # {D: It's scary.}
312:  Yes they are.
Interviewer:  A parking garage is where an attendant does it?
312:  Well that's what used to be but now they've all converted into the other kind you see.
Interviewer:  And they still charge you just as much.
312:  {X} charge is just the same. Yes. {C: laughing} {NW} And they're frightening. I don't like to go into #1 I don't want to go into one alone anyway. #
Interviewer:  #2 You can't see {X} # Oh.
312:  It's it's dangerous.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I've heard that. Okay what do you call what is a general word for the tallest buildings in the city?
312:  Skyscraper. {C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Alright. What are the tallest buildings in this city?
312:  Well at the present moment we have uh the Hyatt uh regency hotel is one of the tallest and newest.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
312:  And uh the ni- the national life and accidents insurance company is one and the L-N-C {C: Tape noise} the- life and casualty insurance company is another very large one and the American national bank has just gotten to be one of the{C: Tape noise} the latest one. It used to be the {D: Storman} building was the highest but that has been topped {X}{C: Tape noise} {NW}
Interviewer:  Okay. Uh Among these really tall buildings well any buildings that are close together there are little tiny streets that go between.
312:  Yes they're very narrow streets.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  What are they called?
312:  {X}
Interviewer:  That you can't even drive on sometimes.
312:  Oh. Alleys.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Now supposing there were uh an area in the city where buildings were torn down but nothing's been built up yet and it's just empty there betwe- maybe between two really tall buildings.
312:  Uh lots?
Interviewer:  Alright. Uh would you ever call it a vacant lot?
312:  Yeah vacant lot.
Interviewer:  Okay. What do you call the place where you might get a drink of water in a public building?
312:  Uh fountain.
Interviewer:  Okay. {C: very softly} Would you call it a drinking fountain or a water fountain?
312:  Yeah drinking fountain. Either one I- I don't know which I would{C: Tape noise} I'd say drinking fountain.{C: Tape noise} {NW}
Interviewer:  Um let's see. What do you call a small car a very small car with just a place for two people to sit just a front s-
312:  A {D: two} coupe
Interviewer:  Okay. Um what about the old ones from the thirties and forties that had outside seats in the back?
312:  Oh rumble seats.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. Uh do you have any names for uh two door sedans or four door sedans? To distinguish 'em from each other?
312:  Uh No.
Interviewer:  Just two?
312:  Just two and four are the only thing I know
Interviewer:  Do you know any any expressions for really big cars? Not their names like cadillacs or anything but maybe slang expressions or
312:  No I don't.
Interviewer:  Okay. General {X} terms. Alright how about the car that uh a woman with eight kids'll have one of these cars.
312:  Oh uh station wagon yeah.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh how about a small delivery truck what's open in back?
312:  Um Oh wait a minute I know that {X} What is that um pickup truck.
Interviewer:  Right.
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Alright do you know the name for the one that's covered? With maybe a couple little windows in the sides? Electricians use 'em and exterminators.
312:  Van.
Interviewer:  Okay. What might you take to the airport instead of a cab? Something that the airport provides
312:  Oh uh uh{C: Tape noise} airport limousine.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Alright what uh is the public transportation here?
312:  Uh bus. {NS}
Interviewer:  And you call it a bus? You don't ever call it the M-T-A?
312:  No.
Interviewer:  Alright. What do you call in the car where the speedometer and all the th- the dials are?
312:  The d- dash.
Interviewer:  Okay. What do you call the little place over for the passenger with the {X} on it?
312:  No {C: very softly} Glove compartment. {NW}
Interviewer:  Alright. What do you call wish I had one
312:  {NW}
Interviewer:  It's a thing that uh you might wrap around several maps to keep them together. You might put it around all these things.
312:  An elastic? Uh
Interviewer:  Okay. Would you ever call it a rubber band too?
312:  Yes.
Interviewer:  Okay.
312:  {X} either one.
Interviewer:  How about- I do have one of these. Where's my notebook? Well I thought I did. A little metal
312:  #1 Oh uh #
Interviewer:  #2 thing # that you keep papers together with as well?
312:  You mean a uh paper clip?
Interviewer:  Yes. {NW}
312:  There's one right there.{C: laughing} {NW}
Interviewer:  Oh I put it down okay. {NW}
312:  Paper clip. {NW}
Interviewer:  Alright where do y- what do you call the place where you might keep your spare tru- spare tire. Excuse me.
312:  The trunk.
Interviewer:  Alright. What do you call the thing that you push down with your foot to make the car go faster?
312:  Accelerator.
Interviewer:  Alright. What do you call the thing um in a car that you have to do this with
312:  Oh.{C: Tape noise}
Interviewer:  to change the gears?
312:  Oh um {X} I haven't had one of those in so long.
Interviewer:  They're hard to use.
312:  Yeah. {X} I wouldn't have one again. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  {NW}
312:  Oh ye- gear shift.
Interviewer:  Alright. Now in a okay. And what do you call the kind of car that that doesn't need
312:  Oh uh automatic.
Interviewer:  Okay. I think uh we're about to run out of tape here. Take a break. {C: Tape noise}