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Well
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just the regular uh
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education. They didn't go to college.
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My mother was born in eighteen sixty-seven. My father was born in eighteen fifty.
You see there weren't high schools and things like that in those days. {C: laughing}
They had grammar school. They had uh school
but I don't know that they they had public schools.
They went to publi- my father
during the civil war
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his family
uh were friends of some catholics here
and they sent their
when my father was ten years old when the war started
and uh they sent him up to s- Notre Dame.
To school during the war
You see. That's- he went there.
Course that was just grammar school. Uh I mean it was I don't know whether you'd call it high school or not you know they didn't
in those days but it was a preparatory school
at Notre Dame. It was not the college of course.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
And he went there
during the civil war.
Oh yeah.
He was in the flour business.
Uh he uh bought flour uh from the west
that kinda flour that they used out there which was called winter wheat flour that- used by bakers.
And then he brought it here and put it in his own
onto his own
label and sold it to bakers all over the south.
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That's what they used for bakeries.
And they- they only used that kinda flour.
And so he sold flour to all over the south.
His father. His father.
uh was born in
eighteen O two
and uh
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Well you see
Yes because you see they- my father was {D: one of the}
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good many children in the family and he was
his mother was determined to have one child named for her father and one named for her husband.
And my father was the third one
See two of th- {X}
terrible mortality in babies at that time.
And so his- he was the third one named for
his father
her husband.
The other two had died. And then there were my uncle
who was ten years older than my father
was the second Matt
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So they were- he was one of the younger children. He was the next to the youngest in a large family.
And then I
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of a second wife.
My father his first wife died and then married my mother
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in his uh
forties early forties when uh when I was born
you see so it's a long gap in there.
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Until the railroads came in.
Then he got out of that and was in the uh
uh
mercantile business and he sold grain and and
uh wholesale business here in Nashville.
No.
No.
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Yeah church and yes uh
historical
uh interests. I'm- I'm interested in historical things and
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{X} society.
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Board ma- on the board of the ladies
hermitage association {C: tape noise}
ladies hermitage association that runs Andrew Jackson's home.
I've been on that board for
since nineteen forty two or three or something like that.
And I'm on the board and have been registrar of the colonial dames national society of colonial dames for
since uh {C: tape noise}
I've been registrar for thirty years.
{NW}
Yes that's right.
Uh no. The- well there is now. there's a
{X} metro {C: tape noise}
uh
historical s- {X}
{X}
But that's- I belong to that. I belong to all of 'em. {C: tape noise}
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Yes. There's a {X}
Yeah oh yes there's a- there's a board
of women {C: tape noise}
uh that started see it started in eighteen eighty-nine.
Jackson died in eighteen forty-five.
And he
the home was his
son
adopted son's.
No it was not his adopted son but his son's his grandson
had lived there when the- when he
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I'm not sure whether suffocated when he died.
I guess he was.
Anyway the family lived on in the house.
but this- the
uh state of Tennessee bought it
after Jackson's death.
But they didn't do anything with it.
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And then they
couldn't afford to
to keep on living there and they
So the state had all sorts of ideas as to what they were going to do with it.
They were going to have a make a
{D: home of it.}
They were going to do all sorts of different things and so
some of the ladies got
busy {C: tape noise}
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And uh so they got busy and finally
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effort they got the state to th- to give it to them to run. {C: tape noise}
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in good order
why we can keep on running it. And it's a self
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sustaining board.
We appoint our own board members.
As you see and
we have about twenty women on the board {C: tape noise}
All Nashville residents. And we have uh
uh
uh
committee of men who are appointed by the governor
who are called trustees
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from recommendation from us.
You see {C: laughing}
And the governor has only turned us down once
{X}.
And then uh
But- that- we run it. We- we operate the place completely.
In every way and it's a big business now.
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three hundred thousand people there last
year and {C: tape noise}
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it's really and so we- we run it
completely.
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I can't remember.
It's two dollars.
Two dollars {X} now but there're three {C: tape noise}
There uh
You must
go. {C: tape noise}
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I know there are student rates {C: tape noise}
if they're in a group.
Some {X} that way.
Uh {C: tape noise}
It's uh we have three buildings. three
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It's the hermitage itself
which is well worth seeing
then across the road is a house that is very beautiful
that was built by Andrew Jackson for his
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And his secretary's wife was
was the
his uh hostess
for part of the
time. {C: tape noise}
Half the time.
His wife was died before he became president.
See and Rachel was uh
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before he was inaugurated president.
And so his his niece
{X}
was his he- hostess and then his uh
adopted son's wife was hostess part of the time too.
No.
No.
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That's the way I go is highway forty.
And that's what you would do
You could go uh from Murfreesboro pike
You'd go over
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Oh and those motor courts uh
How- Alamo
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court
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Turn left at Alamo court and go through there
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And you go over to the
{X}
and turn right and go straight out and you'll come right to it.
You turn off to the left there. After you- but you'll see the signs. They'll tell you where to turn.
But you really- that's really way out- way far out
No I don't think so.
Not any. {C: whispering}
{NW}
Not any at all.{C: laughing}
{NW}
Now you've got it.
{NW}
{NW}
No.
They don't- they're- they're- we always having music down here having people come over from Peabody college to entertain us you know it
they- they come
and try that on us first
{X} they have a performance you see.
And I never go
{X} {C: laughing}
No I really I have no care for music whatsoever. I have no rhythm.
And it- it doesn't mean anything to me.
I'm {X} not
proud of it but it just doesn't.
Uh
Oh I don't turn on the radio at all and I never listen to musical things on T-V.
{X} {C: laughing}
{NW}
Farms?
Well I don't know much about
farms. {C: tape noise}
Well I know very little. I have cousins who have a farm.
They have a large farm out towards Franklin and I go out there and visit them but I know very little about farms.
{NW}
{NW}
The barn?
Barn?
{NW}
{NW}
A corn crib.
Mm. Granary?
Uh I don't know. {C: very softly}
I wouldn't uh
sort of a thing like this it's
Sort of a V shape- a V shape.
I don't know whether that's right or not.
Uh loft.
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I used to play in barns
when I was I was a child. {NW}
I had friends who rented country places every summer and went out and sort of camped you know and
and so
They'd rent them and go out and as I say would sort of camp in them.
And I'd go out and visit them but that's
{NW}
that's the extent of my
farming.
Oh no no. No work done. Just play.
{NW}
Slide down the haystacks.
That sort of thing you know.
{NW}
{NW}
No. {D: right here}
Mm-mm.
Rick?
Stable.
Hmm.
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Dairy.
No that would be where you keep the
milk.{C: tape noise}
Uh.
I don't know. I can't think.
No.
A cow pen would be alright yes.
In a sty.
Open as far as I know.
Well just cans of milk. Milk cans and
and places to
uh{C: tape noise}
strain the milk and that sort of thing I I remember as a child. And
churn it
More processing.
Barnyard.
Pasture.
Yes.
No I really don't. I've seen it but I don't know anything about it.
I don't know. {C: very softly}
Field.
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I don't know except patch is a small a smaller{C: tape noise}
area as far as I know.
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{X}
small gardens and places of that sort would be in a
they wouldn't be g- you wouldn't call it a patch though.
Yeah.
Oh corn
wheat.{C: tape noise}
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Uh
All kinds a' things.
Grai- uh hay
{C: tape noise}
Well let's see.
Uh
A rail fence.
A rail fence is
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r- uh rectangul- uh
horizontal
rails.
And uh a picket fence would be with up and- uh
perpendicular
stakes.
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then there's uh
um
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Yeah zig zag.
That's right.
Yes.
That's straight up and down I think.
pale yeah.
That would
be it seems to me
a picket fence would be smaller
uh paled. Uh smaller sticks.
And the pale
pale uh pale fence would be wider.
Uh that's my uh idea of it.
I don't know.
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Mm-hmm. I expect so.
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Oh barbed wire.
{NW}
{NW}
For the uh
posts.
Uh rock wall.
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no what do you call
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china egg
China egg. That's it.
Really?
{NW}
China egg.
Yeah oh yes many of 'em.
Yeah.
{C: tape noise}
Mm-hmm.
Well I don't know why except that- that they think that that is a nest that they've
had
I don't know.
The idea I suppose.
That's all I know. {C: laughing}
A bucket.
Either way.
A pail I guess would be a me- a wooden
pail.
Wooden.
E- to my mind would be metal.
But we- we don't use the word pail too much.
I don't know.
Oh yes. Yes I have
heard of a slop bucket. {C: laughing}
{NW}
A skillet.
Iron.
Yes that's a spider.
{X}
It's just the size of a sk- a regular skillet. And they- they put
hot coals under it when they built it in front of the
uh cooked in the fireplace you see.
They put coals under the skillet.
And that's where the- why there were legs.
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no not that I know
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A vase.
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Uh you mean uh
plates and
Oh knives and forks.
Uh
Spoon.
{NW}
wash the dishes.
{NW}
dry them.
uh rinse 'em.
uh dish towel.
No. Dish cloth.
Dry them.
It might have been the di- the one to wash 'em with it might be a dish rag.
Well I think in the early days I would have said rag. I would say cloth now.
{NW}
{C: tape noise}well, I would say cloth now but have said
rag in the early days.
Wash rag.
Yes.
a barrel.
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Mm.
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Oh uh a funnel.
A whip.
Bag?
paper bag.
Or paper sack.
In a uh cloth bag I think.
In- in the same.
Uh tow sack?
Uh tow sack and um
{X} sack.
The same thing
{NW}
{NW} {X} about either one particularly. I think it's put in a cloth sack the fertilizer.
It was. It's not anymore. I'm sure it's in paper now.
A sack?
No.
A rick?
Oh I can't remember.
No a rick.
No a rick is um
is a certain
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{X} {C: whispering}
But when you pile it up
it's certain
footage
Is- is a rick or uh
Oh the other name that I can't think of.
No. uh
No they pile you know they pile wood into a certain way.
And a certain footage means a uh the other na- other name has escaped me but
Yes.
No not coil.
No.
No. {C: laughing}
Uh no uh
No.
Oh {NW}
it'll come to me.
{NW}
It's so silly cuz it's so
perfectly well known.
Uh
Well my- my mind's blank on that {X} right now.
But a rick is one- one thing. But that is not something that uh
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Fixed in a certain way.
They piled it up just exactly right and they know exactly by the measurement
how much that is you see.
And I'll think of the other name.
{X}
there is another name.
{NW}
a light uh bulb
Uh
Light bulb.
Uh the s- the uh faucet.
Spigot?
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But I don't think I call it a faucet on the outside.
{NW}
burst.
a basket.
I don't
{X}
Keg.
{NW}
Uh.
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A hoop. Hoop.
{NW}
{X} {C: laughing}
A stopper.
Um i- uh well it has several names. The Jews harp is one name and a uh
uh
Let's see. What's the other name? {C: whispering}
Oh I've just
{X}
not long ago I heard somebody playing one. Uh
harmonica.
Yes.
Hammer.
{NW}
Um.
Mm.
Should know that.
Oh I know that.
It's the
{X}
I can't think of it. Gimme a clue.
{NW}
Yes that's right. That's right. Yes. Correct.
to the
uh.
Now that's another one
{X}
Uh
Oh you know I can't think.
I know but I- I should- {C: laughing}
I should remember that.
Uh
I can't
{X}.
I know it so well. I've done it.
Oh yes.
Shafts of course.
No. Shafts is what we called them.
Single tree?
Good.
{NW}
I don't know that.
I couldn't tell ya.
Well maybe I have
I- I don't know.
I don't know.
well, my brain's gone.
Yes of course.
{NW}
Hauling wood.
{NW}
Pulled it? uh
Hauled it.
Oh uh dragged it?
{NW}
We have
I wouldn't say some a' the things that you might say.
{X}
Let's see.
Uh.
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I don't- let me see now.
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We have
well we wouldn't say drug.
We would've said dragged I think.
{C: tape noise}
I have heard people say drug.
{NW} That's not right.
{NW}
Uh uh plow?
No I can't.
{C: tape noise}
Oh h- horses draw them. Yes.
Yeah.
Um.
Oh I should know that too.
{C: tape noise}
Yeah I'm not a farmer.
{C: tape noise}
{X} I
can't think what it's called.
Yes.
That's right.
{X}
Uh
uh
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completely blank when you ask me these questions.
{C: tape noise}
I've seen many of 'em and I've had them. Uh
{C: tape noise}
Hmm I know what you're talking about.
Give me a clue
{X}
{NW}
Saw horse.
Saw horse was what we would call it.
Yes it's the same thing.
brush.
No.
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No no
Uh
I can't think.
Yes cartridge. Of course.
{NW}
Oh see hor- uh uh see saw.
See sawing.
{NW}
Yeah.
Yes I have heard of a flying jenny.
I imagine so yes. I'm not sure but I- flying jenny is familiar to me.
No.
Swing.
{D: Th- that hoe hard}
was the thing that you put it in.
They had uh a decorative thing that sat by the fireplace and you put the coal in that from the bucket.
And you used it.
As was the coal hot
Put onto the fireplace.
Yes.
Yes that's- yes that's the same thing.
No. That's the same as the bucket.
Coal scuttle is what I should have said in the first place.
{NW}
Coal scuttle is correct.
They're collectors items. They're collectors items now.
Oh yes.
{NW} Yes {X}
{C: tape noise}
No.
{NW}
Uh wheelbarrow.
Um
Oh dear.
{X}
but I can't think what you
call them. {NW}
Oh uh
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Well. Alright.
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Grindstone would be more of a- likely.
A whet stone to my mind
would not be the wheel.
It would be a stone that you
would uh
sharpen things on straight.
{X} That way-
that's with a whet stone.
Grindstone would be round. Yes.
Car.
Lubrication? Um uh
grease. Grease.
{X}
greasy.
{NW}
greased the car.
{NW}
Uh oil.
Oil.
Coal oil.
That's what we use to call it. Yeah.
Kerosene.
{NW}
But ker- coal oil was the old name for it.
Yes. It's the same thing as kerosene.
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No. I've heard betty lamps. The little things they used to have in the early days where they had anything else they
they w-
{NW}
a betty lamp. It had wick.
Betty yes. Betty lamp. It was a flat little thing like this.
Uh and it stuck in- it had uh
a piece of uh
sharp
portion.
they could stick in the wall or stick in the fireplace.
And
they put a little oil in it
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but uh
Well torch would be yes. I wouldn't be- I wouldn't be familiar with torch particularly. Torch is something that
that carried
and a long stick. Yes that's it.
And they used I think it in the old days they used to have
back
uh early they had torch parades. So it's like parades and they carry these things and that was th- that was a torch light parade.
{C: tape noise}
No.
I mean I think I've read it but I've- it's not familiar with me here.
tube.
{X} launch it.
Launch it.
Uh row boat.
Or canoe.
{C: tape noise}
Well a canoe is a
is made of- it's very different
construction. It's uh
flimsier uh thinner material.
A h- row boat is a really very
sturdy
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made out of wood.
Very sturdy.
Flat bottom.
Yes.
I don't know.
I can't think.
{C: tape noise}
Oh of course pretty
{NW}
prettier.
An apron.
pen.
safety pin.
can.
Tin can.
Ten.
A coat.
Uh {NW}
Oh {NW}
On it.
{NW}
Between the shirt and the coat.
A vest.
{NS}
{C: tape noise}
pants.
Or trousers.
Whichever you wis- prefer to call it.
{C: tape noise}
Yes.
{C: tape noise}
Can't think of one.
did
fit.
{NW}
It didn't.
Uh
fitted.
new one.
Suit.
New
New suit. A new suit.
bulge.
shrink.
did shrink.
Did not shrink.
shrunk.
{NW}
shrunk.
{NW}
{NW}
{X}
dress up.
{C: tape noise}
Pocketbook.
Uh
{X}
Purse.
Wallet.
{NW}
Yes. Either one.
bracelet.
Uh uh necklace.
a bead
uh
Uh uh ch- uh uh a
bead chain no uh
Uh
{C: tape noise}
necklace
of pearls.
No.
String.
Uh uh
uh
{NW}
I know what it's called. {C: laughing}
Uh
Not braces. That is a name for it but that's not what we would call it.
Uh
suspenders.
Yes I have heard of galluses too.
Country people.
Yeah.
{C: laughing}
should think so.
An umbrella.
Oh a spread.
A pillow.
Uh a bolster.
all the way.
A blanket
or a spread or not a spread but uh
comforter
Uh uh a quilt.
Yes.
A comforter is a
thing with
t- uh
cotton in between.
And it's quilted.
I should think. Something like that uh
Not
It's well
It's near th- th- the pro- same- about the same as a quilt.
Might be a little thicker than a quilt.
Uh pallet.
Just put a uh
well it could use a- a mattress of some kind. A pad.
Yes.
rich.
Uh
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Mm I can't think right now.
Oh uh uh
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{NW}
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I can't think. It's
{C: tape noise}
I- I- I know it should be but it- it's gone.
Well there of course
Uh
Hmm.
I don't know.
{NW}
{NW}
{C: tape noise}
Oh fertilized.
{NW}
{NW}
It's bottom land.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Mm I don't know what it would be called.
It's uh
I don't
I don't know. I- I should I think but I don't remember.
Marsh land.
I don't know.
I have heard of loam yes but I do- uh that's not particularly familiar to me.
Draining it.
{C: tape noise}
Oh a pond.
{X}
Oh.
I don't know.
{C: tape noise}
not particularly have water.
No.
{C: tape noise}
Yes probably.
{C: tape noise}
deep
Uh narrow
{D: cleft}
{C: tape noise}
but it doesn't necessarily have water to my mind.
{C: tape noise}
{NW}
Mm I don't know.
Yes that's right. Gully.
{C: tape noise}
{D: A creek.}
{NW}
A s- uh uh brook.
Stream.
stream is bigger yes.
{C: tape noise}
No a creek is between I would say.
Between a river and a
stream.
No brook would be small.
Oh yeah big small yes. I should
river's the biggest.
Then creek.
stream and then brook.
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{NW}
Well it'd all be rivers possibly.
It could be.
Tributary?
Yeah. Tributary.
Forks yes it would be a fork.
A hill.
Uh
I can't think
{X}
I tell ya
See I
when you get my age
you
{NW}
you forget- I mean names don't come to you very quickly.
In a little while I will think of that but
{C: tape noise}
Really?
{NW}
Well I'm so glad to know it because I feel that I'm just
Well it's
that's- I find that that is true in old age
that s- that names do not come to you as quickly as they might.
I- in a little while I'll think of that
you know. But it's uh
{NW} doesn't come back {X}
Well I'm glad to know it. {NW}
{NW}
Mm.
Well there's a little stream down at the foot of this back here in the
in- the foot of this uh
land back there. It drops down in there and there is a little stream
down there.
I think it's- I'm not sure but I think it's a part of what is
{X}
known as sugar tree creek.
{C: tape noise}
that runs back through all this property back in here and I'm not certain but I think that's part of it.
Uh down well over on Harding road down here a little further is uh
Richland creek. That's a good size creek.
It runs through there.
Harding road is the one that you come out from town uh right here t- actually here.
I told you the other day that you find
uh business p- all the business stuff over across the way. That's Harding
road.
That road there that you cross.
And there is a Richland creek that crosses Harding road down below here out there a way.
{C: tape noise}
Richland creek yes.
Um um knob. Door knob.
knob yes.
Oh well it's uh a hill
kind of a
roundish hill as I
{X}
oh well no not necessarily.
We have out here
hills
{C: tape noise}
They are low hills.
Uh yes I should think. They're not big tall hills. They are- they are
rim Nashville these knobs around us here.
And they are hills
but not very tall hills.
{C: tape noise}
Uh {X} know
I don't know.
I don't know.
{C: tape noise}
Mountain.
{C: tape noise}
Uh bluff.
Well it- I'm sure there are.
No I can't think. A bluff would be
{X}
bluff.
{C: tape noise}
{NW}
uh {X} uh
uh
{C: tape noise}
Well a notch or
notch would be one word.
Gap. It'd be more likely that we would call it.
{C: tape noise}
R- a wharf.
{C: tape noise}
Uh
concrete.{C: tape noise}
Uh
yes I'm sure there are.
Uh
{C: tape noise}
Uh gravel road.
Uh
{X} I don't know.
{C: tape noise}
A lane?
Yes.
If it went directly into his place it'd be a driveway. Otherwise it might be a lane going to his property.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Driveway.
A sidewalk.
A stick.
{C: tape noise}
Oh.
I threw it.
in.
Not at home.
No I do not.
Black. You could have it black.
That's the only thing that I would
No. Never.
{NW}
{NW}
{C: tape noise}
with milk.
Uh
without
milk.
{NW}
{X}
Oh.
I thought of you. No th- uh
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