330: draw a better picture of that house pictures of {X} I will give it to you next time Interviewer: Okay. 330: I know I can be {X} or give you a better picture of it and anything that you want to start with? Interviewer: Okay now tell me about kinds of well first of all you say that say if you were growing um okay you know if you were raising cotton do you know what work you'd do with that you'd go out and 330: In the cotton field? Interviewer: Yeah. You know what you'd call that work that you'd do? 330: Well they uh they cultivate it chop it used to now the old people my see my mother grand grandmother they'd raise it here back then then they the olden days but I never seen any raised. Well one fellow did raise some {X} {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} go to school. That's the only cotton that's ever been raised in this country that I know {C: tape overlaid} yeah they they they chopped it and uh {D: dried it} cultivated it and then {C: tape overlaid} I think they nowadays they {D: pardon the ground} instead of you know killing weeds and stuff like that now. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And for don't have to maybe they they they mashed it they chopped it but you can make corn crop nowadays uh world of people are making the majority of it {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} {D: took this weed pardon} {C: tape overlaid} and the chemical in the ground and just plant it and they {C: tape overlaid} {D: decent} thing I ever seen in my life I can't go I I've raised {X} two three times {X} Interviewer: What do you call those {X} 330: {X} {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Cut little with a plow you'd cut little trenches and then cut 330: Uh furrows? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Furrows. {C: tape overlaid} Make furrows Interviewer: And you'd say say if you grew a lot of corn you'd say that the corn grew up in a corn what 330: Field. Interviewer: Okay. 330: Corn field. Interviewer: What about something smaller than a field 330: {X} A a garden {X} {D: it would be a patch of} {D: corn patch} Interviewer: {X} 330: Yeah I have I just run out there and make {X} {X} And we'll eat roast yams put 'em up, freeze 'em Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And all like that. Pumpkin I planted pumpkin beans and I planted peas {D: peapod plant I'm gonna plant another row in the patch} {C: tape overlaid} about about a week from now so corn won't come in {X} first of July then I'll plant another. Then maybe I'll even another then on later up on in {X} we'll get in. People like to freeze it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm you call that pea patch then or 330: Uh pea patch I have a pea patch I {X} {D: just a day one} planted I have half a bushel {C: tape overlaid} And then peas would come in, pick 'em eat 'em they stand dry weather much better than the bean does. {D: we have four of 'em} course have a heap of {X} {D: feed and uh} always pick my peas and shell 'em {C: tape overlaid} for my seed myself I don't have to buy 'em, I shell 'em. In the winter time you can have 'em ready. {C: tape overlaid} {D: I lay off the rows} {D: wife} could plant 'em plant 'em but they don't get 'em all as thick as I like 'em {D: she makes and just} throws 'em up and down the row then I cover 'em up. With the plow. {X} Interviewer: What um {C: tape overlaid} 330: What kind of peas I plant? Interviewer: Yeah or beans, what kind are there? 330: Well there's we get uh {D: whole bean there's a} corn field bean we put it in a corn and course we plant {D: a bunch bean} we we plant uh {D: top crop} {X} uh Kentucky wonders {X} {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} {D: sixteen running bean, corn field bean} {C: tape overlaid} {X} {X} Interviewer: Is there just a general name for all of these beans that you eat with a {X} 330: Well the uh corn field beans and then the the bunch bean is different a bunch bean we plant in row head you don't have no corn in there with it and they get about that high. I'm {D: I got some in bloom now} I maybe have little beans on 'em. {C: tape overlaid} And uh they uh {C: tape overlaid} we usually plant {D: bunch beans top crop bunch beans} What's that new one I got planted? Huh? Wife: Cumberland. 330: {D: Cumberland?} Aux: {X} 330: {X} {NS} Interviewer: What what other things do you plant in your garden? 330: Huh? Interviewer: What other things 330: Oh we plant uh {NS} we plant all kinds of stuff, cucumbers squash okra {X} lima beans that's butter bean, we call it they're called lima but we always call 'em butter bean {C: tape overlaid} potatoes English peas {C: tape overlaid} onions carrots {D: beets} {D: I think} I see one of 'em here this time, I don't know {D: I got my seeds but I don't got 'em planted I hope to} plant a few watermelon {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: What kinds of watermelon? What kinds of watermelon? 330: What kind of watermelon? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: Uh I {D: been down to stone mountain} but I didn't get I got one of those {X} I don't know what they call 'em Interviewer: {D: was the stump still out} 330: It was a great big round one. Green looking. I got the green looking {C: tape overlaid} {NS} {NS} Interviewer: Oh it's okay. 330: What kind of watermelon seeds we plant? I don't know what {X} {NS} they didn't have 'em coming on the market {NS} that's a good one. I believe it's the other one I don't I I hadn't planted any watermelon in years I just stuck to I li- I really like 'em enjoy 'em. Get 'em good and cold and make little {X} fertilizer put fertilizer down the {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} {D: four feet or five} Interviewer: What exactly is a hill? 330: Just a make a dig a dig your dirt up all around {C: tape overlaid} put some manure or fertilizer then in the center put some {X} then plant your seed on top of that. {X} Interviewer: How many seeds? 330: About four five. Interviewer: And all these come up? 330: Hope they do. Come up. That's kinda like a squash cucumber we plant them pretty much the same way. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: Have you've ever eaten any squash? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: They have a little you plant those a little yellow crooked {X} thing {C: tape overlaid} and cucumber long green hope they're long as long as they {X} Interviewer: What other kinds of melons are there besides watermelon? {C: tape overlaid} 330: Well there there {NW} there's uh cantaloupes and {X} different Interviewer: Cantaloupes and what? 330: And {D: cues} {NS} they are different from watermelons {C: tape overlaid} cantaloupe is you ever eaten mushmelon? Yellow yellow Interviewer: Yellow on the inside? 330: Sweet and mm-hmm. About that large around and {D: and the cue is a} {D: great long one} got a crooked handle on they get a lot bigger. Interviewer: Does a cue have yellow meat? 330: {X} Interviewer: And what about a cantaloupe? 330: Same thing only it's just a small one we call them cantaloupes Interviewer: It's the same as a mushmelon? 330: Mm-hmm. Yeah the some of 'em are sweet different than others I haven't {X} in years but they they're mighty good to have I think. It uh you know if you keep bugs you got you have to {X} bugs will get in 'em come up out of the ground and go in 'em and run course if you don't watch after 'em keep 'em seen to course {C: tape overlaid} {X} on the ground some years worse than others. And {X} nowadays course we have to keep everything sprayed really sprayed we don't {X} {X} a cabbage {X} and I believe we had a {X} down in the roots I ain't pull one up the other day {C: tape overlaid} but there some of 'em was dying with nothing I thought maybe {C: tape overlaid} they had a {X} I can get them bugs in there but {D: spraying} buds in the top of 'em but that root I don't know how you'd get something off there. {X} I pulled him up and the of course it done rained you know pulled him out of the ground Interviewer: What about some okay potatoes what different kinds of potatoes are there? 330: We have uh Kennebecs {X} {D: early rose} And Bruce reds and uh {X} mashed potatoes Interviewer: These are all {D: Irish} potatoes? 330: {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} and uh {C: tape overlaid} {X} all I really know {X} hogs and uh when we buy now I quit raising 'em groundhogs eating mine up and I quit raising 'em {X} and uh and I can't think of the names of 'em Interviewer: #1 Do you- # 330: #2 They're # not Nancy hogs. Interviewer: Do you ever use the word yam? 330: Yam? Interviewer: What does that mean? 330: That's a that's a type of sweet potato. Interviewer: Is it a type of sweet potato or is it does it just mean sweet potato? 330: I I just mean the sweet potato I guess that's what it's called. You know people say well we had yams. I reckon that's all ever I knew of I don't know if there's any {NS} not any special variety or anything. Interviewer: Okay this is something that's little and and red and and grows in the ground. 330: Little and red and grows in the in the ground? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: Down under the ground or do you have a top up out of the ground? Interviewer: Um the part that you eat is is the root. 330: That's a carrot I guess. Interviewer: Okay but what about something else, little red 330: {C: tape overlaid} Oh {C: tape overlaid} radishes? {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Yeah. Yeah we've had a little {D: I had a lot of those} {X} {X} they're good come in real early. Interviewer: uh-huh. Radishes. Mm-hmm. {C: tape overlaid} and uh {X} course they grew in the ground I like to make pickles out of 'em and cut 'em up and eat 'em in the {X} {X} blood red looking you know real dark red you ever eat any of those? {X} I think so. Um what about something that grows up on a plant that you'd stick a leafy bush 330: Tomato? Interviewer: Okay. {X} What about those things that are only about this big? 330: Uh little yellow {D: mean?} Interviewer: No I'm thinking it never gets any bigger than about this 330: I've seen little bitty yellow ones I don't know what you call 'em though. Oh I don't know {X} Interviewer: Yellow is that the color 330: Color mm-hmm {X} {D: we well we} red you know just blood red Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And uh we plant {X} I don't know button little itty bitty tomatoes I don't know what they some special name they have or not I never had any. But I've seen 'em just as you said no wider than your finger} Interviewer: You ever heard cherry tomatoes or {X} 330: Cherry Interviewer: Cherry tomatoes? {X} {D: salad tomatoes} 330: I never have heard the name. {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} called anything like that. Interviewer: Okay this is something that that'll make your eyes water. 330: That's onions I guess, isn't it? Interviewer: Okay. 330: {NW} They sure will. {C: laughing} You cut a piece and the juice on that {X} but I like 'em. Especially on the hamburgers. Interviewer: uh-huh 330: You know a hamburger's not complete I don't think unless you have special pickles dill pickle and {X} {X} {C: tape overlaid} {X} {C: tape overlaid} you know we had hamburgers course lot of other things too {D: had a great big slice of} {D: fried onion} yeah already eat some on the hamburger I think that it'd take that to make 'em complete. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: You know they my my wife won't eat it say it kills her she can't stand 'em. But I like 'em even green. Like you know pull 'em out of the {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: What do you call them? 330: The ones that {X} {D: just grow 'em} Interviewer: You call those green onions? 330: Mm-hmm. Yeah. They pull 'em out {D: fellow over here} raises great big fields of 'em. And he pulls 'em up I imagine course about half a dozen in a bunch of 'em is that about and sells 'em for ten or fifteen cents a bunch. Something like that he make a living make a good living too {X} course he raise tomato okra cucumber beans everything. He don't just raise but onion there's one this big big producing things tomatoes {C: tape overlaid} and raise I guess squash he I've been working these onions for quite a while Interviewer: Yeah. 330: I've heard him say. {C: tape overlaid} Course I I plant potatoes I plant two patches I have potatoes. I {X} {X} {C: tape overlaid} we eat {X} get big enough to eat we start eating peas give out but uh I usually do have beans in my {D: sandwich} about the time that peas give out {X} frost killed freeze killed my first one {D: climb up} that made us {X} on the beans but usually we'll have some by ten days I guess. Interviewer: You mentioned you just said the word frost and then you changed it said freeze is a frost different from a freeze? 330: Uh it uh well uh see if {X} frost is white looks like snow Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: And it'll kill {X} stem and stuff and just kill it down to the ground now freeze {X} {X} it makes ice freezes ice like {X} {X} and it got down this year to twenty-four degrees and {X} I had a lot of little corn too, and it killed that Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Had to plant it over. And I've got corn now about knee high in my garden {C: tape overlaid} beans running on it whole beans I think {C: tape overlaid} we'll have all kinds of beans if nothing does happen {X} Oh I'd say less than a month we'll have all kinds of beans and won't be much more than that already got a little of that early corn planted and it won't I say six weeks well it should have some more ears {X} {NS} {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: What about this is a a large leafy vegetable it comes in heads 330: Leafy one Interviewer: Leafy. 330: Huh? Interviewer: I'm thinking of lettuce or cabbage 330: Yeah lettuce. Well we grow we we grow lettuce it is no they they transplant this lettuce now I grow {X} {X} I really like it. And course you can buy it you can't comes from California they transplant it set it out like {X} makes you know nice size heads, I know you eat 'em {X} seen 'em in your lettuce head. {X} cabbage heads you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: {X} I think they're seventy-five eighty cents a piece. {X} Interviewer: Really? 330: Yeah. People just quit buying last ones I noticed in the paper was sixty-eight or sixty-nine. {X} {D: people have to wait for something else to happen} I think it's just just particular time {C: tape overlaid} {D: we're getting the market} and they're more scarcer and they they just put 'em up {C: tape overlaid} and I don't know. I never heard of 'em being that high in my life usual around a quarter. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Maybe twenty-nine cents. Something that's about what we used around round a quarter. Twenty-nine cents we get for 'em if we buy {D: we usually used to keep it all the time} {D: but that's we} {D: I eat this} {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} {D: grows under Canada} I've set it out {D: here} in the garden} Interviewer: It grows under the what? 330: Canvas. Canvas put a canvas over the plant bed and just plant 'em under and it makes it tender. I have a mustard bed out there {D: I sold} {D: I plant it} and then uh {X} it up and sowed the mustard fertilizer sewed it and put the canvas over makes it tender. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And we still make it {C: tape overlaid} we been having it now {D: I think} two or three weeks. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: {X} very good, not as quite as tender as {X} And cabbages {D: they're big enough potatoes both} {D: put it quick} {D: we have potatoes} cabbages to eat. {C: tape overlaid} You- you did raise strawberries but {NW} set a bottom up set 'em out again and freeze killed 'em blanched 'em. {X} bought a few, I guess south of Columbia. Found some and bought {C: tape overlaid} there {X} two or four gallon different places {C: tape overlaid} they're mighty high. Well I I really like those strawberries. Do you like strawberries? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Really really you can get pick 'em so many different ways, you know. They're delicious I think. Course they ship 'em here from California {D: they had 'em shipped} {D: I wanted to grow 'em one day and I thought} the great big crate I asked the guy how much it was said it's almost two gallon. And it's {X} four dollars and eighty cents size of {X} I told him I said {X} no five dollars and eighty cents, that's what it was. And I saved three dollars a gallon. There wasn't a gallon wasn't two gallons of 'em {X} I believe that's a little too it. I bought a quart {X} {C: tape overlaid} But I did buy these three gallon {X} {D: Columbia} for coming down the highway and spied these women {D: picking 'em} {X} {X} {X} said no {D: people these shoots we don't pick 'em} we don't live here. There's a lady up here who {X} one of 'em turns up dead they live there together they have all honey they put up honey {C: tape overlaid} {X} {X} strain it out in that ground you ever see anything like {X} Interviewer: I never seen any. 330: They just like like we used to make molasses. You ever seen anybody make {X} molasses? Well {X} great uncle of mine come from {D: Alabama's one of the best} cookers I ever seen we'd plant sorghum my daddy would lot of it {C: tape overlaid} he'd make he'd make molasses. Cook 'em just like cooking and they always throw in a great big pan and the juice comes in off the out of the {X: gum} through a pipe on one end and just go on and goes on down the it cooks it goes down then gets on the far end it's usually ready {D: go} make sorghum sorghum they cooked in {X} kettle {C: tape overlaid} and then cook a kettle a day that night then they would string it up in buckets sell it. And we we used to get forty fifty cents a gallon for 'em when I was young. Now they cost you two and a half or three dollars. For a little bucket. A half gallon. See the label's got it {D: different} {X} {D: back then} my father would give people two gallon a day to help us working strip strip the leaves off the cane and cut it cut the heads off {C: tape overlaid} then we'd take a slide and load it up and slide it off and put it and stack it {X} then there's be somebody {D: sitting right there} {D: feeding it sticking right in the} two great big rows {X} rows just stick the sorghum in {X} {C: tape overlaid} and another barrel and {C: tape overlaid} and you had to pack 'em up there then run over there pan you just turn a faucet {C: tape overlaid} {D: go in on the pan} and you need Interviewer: Faucet from the 330: From the pipe. Coming out of the big barrel where you {X} pipe to you know up there {D: I've drowned 'em many many a day now great big old pulley {D: thing I mean now} hitch your mules to now I have seen 'em you know and I made the most of 'em and indeed do have 'em. What makes would be a steam power something. I imagine I don't know exactly what kind or would be some kind of a motor I presume to pull it but we used to pull 'em with mules Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And uh we'd uh they have a lead rein and a great long pole stuck out and we tie that lead rein to that pole {X} and it'd bring 'em around and around and around go round round round these two mules would pulling that thing. {X} But we {X} fellow he said he would make some {X} somebody wants some made but so much work and hard I imagine couple gallon last us a year and I usually buy some gallon or two honey and {X} gallon or two molasses. I we put up a lot of if we had 'em we're not gonna have any this year didn't have any last year {D: probably got a lot of} plums {X} And I like plum jelly plum pie things. {D: we put up a world of 'em} last year we didn't have any and this year {X} {X} scattered few but I believe they gonna be faulty I don't believe they same way of apples {C: tape overlaid} peaches we're not gonna have any fruit at all. Interviewer: Um you mentioned a bucket now is is a bucket different from a pail? 330: Well the just no I same thing a bucket is a little tin bucket that you use to have a little handle on it we call 'em syrup buckets then black or you'd buy 'em and get so much a hundred for 'em and had a little {X} I think nowadays last ones I've seen didn't even have a bail in 'em what I mean a little Y had a little {X} on the side to hook that {X} {X} now I think it would {D: making that} putting that handle on 'em I think you just have to tow 'em with a hand under the bucket. I believe. Last ones I've seen that way. {C: tape overlaid} {X} {D: they're pails} {NW} same thing. Interviewer: You say for syrup? 330: Mm-hmm. We called 'em syrup buckets. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: You can buy syrup in 'em in buckets Interviewer: Is syrup different from molasses? 330: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Which one's thicker? 330: Uh {NW} I guess if you cook it molasses is thicker thick {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: And I've never seen never seen anybody making syrup {NS} they cook it I'm that's that's cane just like sugar cane of some {C: tape overlaid} variety I don't know what kind it is. I guess you cook that you don't they get far as I know they get sugar why sugar's made out of cane isn't it? I think it's ground out of cane I don't know. I never seen any growing don't know anything about it. Grows in that swamp? Wetland I think. {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Um this is something that you you take the tops of turnips to cook them and make 'em 330: Salad? {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Salad? 330: {X} Greens few people called 'em just greens Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: {X} Salad's what I always called 'em {X} salad. But greens they call 'em greens. And that's what they call mustard green the greens and they call {C: tape overlaid} uh {NW} {D: you ever} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 330: {X} we called it oh salad in a summer in the winter we'll grow great big turnips. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: {X} And uh we eat those and they stay in the salad {X} turnips stayed all the winter. {C: tape overlaid} and the turnips freezes and the salad dies off, they die and freeze. But the winter turnip just a little you don't ju- just a little bit of color {X} and they're hard {X} have {C: tape overlaid} greens {D: on until} spring. You got turn him under, he'll stay there. {D: that's something different now} And mustard same way now I have a {X} {NW} I used to plant {X} uh great big patch of mustard and winter turnips and summer turnips and that mustard is delicious on up 'til the freeze comes {D: grew up there leaves use two hands} curly you know and just tender as it can be it's really delicious. {C: tape overlaid} but when the freeze when the freeze come it kills 'em just like that it can't take it. And the salad the summer salad {X} it's {D: stronger} mustard {D: it stays along but when a hard freeze comes, you get hit} {D: get hit} course it kills the {D: salad off} winter time but that winter time stays there in the ground then next spring early {C: tape overlaid} I figure that's about as good as greens we have is get 'em when they you know looks about that high and tender {X} spring yeah go down and cut mass Interviewer: {D: is it poke} 330: {C: tape overlaid} Yeah we put 'em I figured every year boy {X} we'd have it all the year do you like poke? Interviewer: I just tried it once and it didn't seem to have much taste. But it may not have been cooked right. 330: Did it have eggs cooked with it? Interviewer: I don't think so. 330: Yeah uh you have to cook eggs with it. Have a lot of use a lot of grease. I think it's pretty good. Some people cooks mix the poke and uh in this mustard together. Cook 'em together. {X} Just uh plain salad {C: tape overlaid} I I like the poke by themselves. {C: tape overlaid} I like it cooked more cooked eggs with it I think it's good. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And one of the times you can go up there and ground froze hard, opened up {D: a can of it} cook it I think it's really delicious. {C: tape overlaid} don't have anything green then {D: it was dead one time and used to} {D: fact} that poke's more natural than anything I think I ever eat at the time you know you put it up a stage it more like it was you know {X} now we she has put up turnip greens same way I don't think they taste near as good as the poke does. And we put up you know all kinds peas {X} {D: while later} {NW} {C: tape overlaid} and you come in {D: go get plant 'em} I go to picking 'em and shelling 'em and we go to putting 'em up. Freeze 'em. And we got two full freezers {C: tape overlaid} we put 'em {C: tape overlaid} seventy-five, a hundred {X} peas Interviewer: {X} 330: Yeah but we use a lot. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Use a lot of 'em. {C: tape overlaid} and course lot of folks eat peas dry but I never did get we have some on the New Year's Day they always say you have some money if you cook peas, you ever hear that? {X} I got the gray ones {C: tape overlaid} whippoorwill there's a we had I got about four four five different kind of peas planted. I got the whippoorwill {C: tape overlaid} and I have a little early uh peas called early peas comes in about ten days too early than the other {D: peas that we plant} and then I got the uh {X} they have two three two three different oh two I have two {X} a brown one and a white one. And then I got uh uh one they call uh {X} {C: tape overlaid} {X} corn then run over top of this house I always plant 'em corn and I got a big brown one {D: I don't} Interviewer: Corn? 330: Red runs up that corn {D: just runs all over this} patch and down every which way. I hadn't planted that yet. I got to plant yet. {C: tape overlaid} Now they they are really you talking about them or one of 'em is a new one, we hadn't had that one yet and that pea get that long. Interviewer: Wow. 330: {C: tape overlaid} Interviewer: Is that about about a foot long? 330: Just about a foot long I'd say. And it's a great big pea. You you can shell 'em {X} it don't take much just a small amount to make- make a meal of those you know. And wife likes 'em I told her of course she gonna have to shell but about a dozen two but to make a meal Interviewer: When you're talking about lettuce you talk about um say three he- 330: {C: tape overlaid} heads of lettuce? Interviewer: Uh-huh. Would you would you use that word say if you're talking about someone having two boys or three girls. Would you ever talk about um you have five heads of children? 330: Have what? {NS} Interviewer: Say if you had say five children would you ever talk about five head of children? 330: Five head of children? Interviewer: Or does that sound just funny? 330: Well I never have I never have heard that spoken five head Interviewer: What about the word passel? 330: Passel? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Say if you have a lot of children would you talk about having a passel of children? 330: {C: tape overlaid} Yeah I've heard I've heard of I've heard that spoken. Mm-hmm. I've heard a lot of 'em lot some have you know I know I've known families have three or fourteen Interviewer: Really? 330: In a fa- yeah. And I've heard people say yeah sure did raise a passel of children. {X} Man woman did you know. {C: tape overlaid} But uh don't too many people nowadays now whites course coloreds still you know raise terrible lot of 'em but uh not too many white people raise over uh I'd say four. {C: tape overlaid} is about many as you usually hear. Once in a while course one of 'em has I have a neighbor up here lives right up the road here on the left the lady {X} there was twelve thirteen in her family I believe what she said. {C: tape overlaid} And my wife now there was eight raised there and her daddy'd been married twice. He uh married first wife and he had two and his wife died to give birth to the second one and but the first one still living old first child she had {C: tape overlaid} and uh he had nine for her mother. One of 'em died little. {C: tape overlaid} And he raised eight. So he raised nine, that's a right good sized family. {X} Then {X} her- her mother's family that's a right good sized family then for my people it wasn't there wasn't uh well my mother like I said just two girls and then a boy my mother now {C: tape overlaid} my father there was a had seven boys and three about three of 'em died in littles tiny children and four of 'em grew raised to get grown. {C: tape overlaid} and uh {NW} one of 'em {D: lived} next to my father my uncle, the one I was named after I didn't tell you yesterday. Don't know whether you want to know it or not but he when I had my play he started to a little store. {D: he had my play} down south {X} {C: tape overlaid} cuz down south {NW} and he met this girl, Aunt Jenny May who was {D: pretty young girl} {X} {X} summer {D: called} {X} or something high I don't know why but she might've had some people in Texas {NW} {X} down in Texas {D: Uncle John sells out} and followed her {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} and he was seeing her something yeah she told me and um {C: tape overlaid} {D: you want that name} {D: out there} {C: tape overlaid} Brother lived a whole life out there I had my brother I spoke to you about him he's dead and I have four had four boys nephews he went out there. Left {D: last I come} he had to quit school at the end of the eighth grade {C: tape overlaid} and lived with us and {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} {X} {C: tape overlaid} and they raised four boys. {C: tape overlaid} And my brother and he went in store business and opened up store of his own out there in Dallas and {X} worked for a man {C: tape overlaid} {X} {D: begging} {X} she finally got him to come back. {C: tape overlaid} Well now he hadn't been out here {X} my father been out there one time to see them. {C: tape overlaid} The only time he ever went we'd never {X} this fellow did raise here. {D: drummed} {C: tape overlaid} {X} {X} {X} rode all over the country he finally finally before he quit {NS} retired he flew an airplane but he {X} car and he drove and he come out in one of those boys Uncle John's boys {X} was driving. He'd had him driving. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And they come my father's house and we'd never seen this {NW} first cousin of mine and he'd want to just {X} need to get out and get all the {X} quite a few others in this country {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} other three boys, my daddy and {D: two more brothers} {D: later again} and they had three or four five a piece {C: tape overlaid} So he said get out {C: tape overlaid} {D: you think that's my} father and I was named after his father. {X} he said, can you get 'em sorta {X} this Sunday afternoon? I'd like to see them and meet 'em all. But we didn't didn't have any phones then, that's when we {X} Nobody had no phones in the country. I got out in my car once or twice and {D: he said they would come back go ahead and} {C: tape overlaid} places and then they'd come back about lunchtime. And I tried to get 'em to come back and eat dinner with us my father but he said they then come home right after {D: just as quick as they could} {C: tape overlaid} {D: and they did} And I {X} he said {D: he never saw people come in} {X} they come in walking you know he said they he went back home told his father said Lord have mercy daddy says {X} out there come out of them bushes {X} {C: tape overlaid} said you said no {C: tape overlaid} whole road full of 'em walking and talking {D: laughing} Oh they have time in the world and {C: tape overlaid} Well he went back he got to talking and his daddy then decided later on he and Aunt Jenny May they want to come back here and see my {D: father} and the other two {X} my father was {D: still living he was the only one of them} he's still living {C: tape overlaid} all of us {C: tape overlaid} whole bunch of {D: men} you know {NW} and uh {C: tape overlaid} they did {C: tape overlaid} they got on the train and come {C: tape overlaid} and they stayed here about a month. Or maybe six weeks. {X} see all of us {C: tape overlaid} well it'd been forty years since he'd been back here. And everything had changed {D: and of course they had} cameras up here {D: buddy he was} borned and raised he wanted to see {X} {D: I carried him up there} then he wanted me to carry him around see his old men friend that he grew up went to school with school {X} church where my father went to church at my nephew preaches over there now. That's where the school house was. {C: tape overlaid} And he's {C: tape overlaid} boys I {X} see were just like girls grew up they grew up {D: up there} and they was great big men they was between six and seven foot some of 'em was seven foot tall. {D: and my} father was just {D: a little over} {X} {C: tape overlaid} I mean I've {D: Uncle John's a little older than the next Hatchet boy} {D: and when they were young} {NW} my daddy {X} my daddy was old, a little older and then my uncle was a little older than the next Hatchet boy {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} brush 'em up a little school come {D: find one day} {C: tape overlaid} {X} that's the oldest Hatchet {C: tape overlaid} tell me he tell we'd talk they'd talk over that when they come here and they hadn't seen one in forty year and I carried him over there {X} and they first one had to go {X} won't tell me about {X} my daddy {C: tape overlaid} old and I couldn't I just asked {X} so many times you know {NW} and Uncle John said Johnny {NW} I said I know I already told you after my daddy died he came back a second trip, he come back a second trip. {C: tape overlaid} yeah he told me all about it {C: tape overlaid} three years three years he stayed away {X} {C: tape overlaid} {X} {C: tape overlaid} they run they left popping them rough 'em up claimed they whipped 'em you know {D: just get on don't hurt 'em} they's great big giants, these Hatchet boys and finally one day Miss Miller say run {X} {C: tape overlaid} that's all I know. My best friend on ever gonna have to work a little so he just {X} up held it in one hand just whipped him like whipping a baby you know he could do it you know but he didn't want to and uh meantime they {X} {D: one of 'em} my daddy's brother little bitty fellow just started school {X} {C: tape overlaid} {X} he thought he was killing daddy he'd run up to grab you and Miss Miller said he just come running like back like {C: tape overlaid} and slapped {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} and the other part of me learned got up {C: tape overlaid} {X} come on {X} I ain't big enough to fight yet I'll have to eat more biscuits before I get {X} {NS} {X} {X} {C: tape overlaid} but he died here that time he made that trip {D: get him} came back on the train {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} lived out there {X} {X} {D: I count 'em out there} I believe it's two days or three days after {D: got him} out there they called and and said that come see 'em if they want to see 'em took a bad off we went but {C: tape overlaid} they wouldn't let us in, the one of boys had flew here all of a sudden had flew here {X} They said the drug we could go to the door you know look in but they the others wouldn't go in there and he died that night. {C: tape overlaid} Then the next day they bunch of 'em {X} come in a car the other boys did {D: those three the oldest} {D: flew} The others got here and then that one of 'em rode back on the train with his body. And I thought maybe they'd feel kinda bad about him you know coming back thought he maybe mighta did something he woulda- woulda lived wouldn't have died that quick probably if he just stayed there at home. And they said no no no said that's all he'd talk about after you came back was wanting to make another trip to see us all again before he died. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And said he got to do what he wanted to {C: tape overlaid} {X} really happy about it then Aunt Jenny May she lived she come back and see us she lived 'til she ain't been dead about five years I guess she lived a lot longer than any of us boys. They rode with us we didn't go, I'd have loved to {X} ride before I was {X} {X} my nephews wanted {X} go and we tried to make it that day we {D: took} all night to go and drive and then come back I come to aw that's too much too much I'd just rather not go so we just wired and talked to her {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} and another thing I wanted to tell you about is uh I remember when the freight railroad was built over here Interviewer: Oh really? 330: {X} and the train come through that's what I was telling you about my daddy would load something in this carriage, I called it {X} would go to my grandmother's {X} {C: tape overlaid} It worked in a way {X} I thought well I said grandma ain't gonna never get the thing done she said yeah they're gonna finally get it done. And it won't be long before the train'll come through. She said I wish y'all could be up there so they had- they had heard when the train's coming through father carried us over there and it carried two buggy things two {X} drove I I think it goes I'm pretty sure we drew horses I have seen 'em drive mules but I think we drew horses two horses. And we got down on that {X} supposed to come through that morning about ten oh clock {X} {C: tape overlaid} and we {X} my brother {X} got down there at the fence stand right up close to the railroad track and then {X} and that's where a lot of the {C: tape overlaid} apple trees and pear trees peach trees there and cherry trees we'd stand right there and watching for it right we see that big thing coming {C: tape overlaid} and and the smoke you know puffing and smoke blowing out of it that was the awfulest sight I ever seen in my life. We just stood right there and just I reckon coulda heard us breathe, watch it and it got right even with us, that train would {D: about where it'd hit your car in front} {X} he caught a hold of that {X} {NS} Lord {X} running we flew we thought it'd kill us we run in the house and just fell down on the floor just scared to death. Scared us to death. And I know that guy laughed I said {D: nothing he said} {D: Talking about} {C: tape overlaid} y'all been shocked {C: tape overlaid} {D: I told him} {X} {C: tape overlaid} {X} one time since then I was young only time I ever ridden one ridden a train in my life. They getting up {D: scurrying to Nashville} {D: come through Winston County Franklin} too a world of people anybody I believe it's three dollars {D: from there in} Alabama and bring it back and so I made mine I never rode I said aw shoot I'm gonna I'm going on that trip. So we a whole lot of us left I had a community one time got in my car I had a car now ever since I was a kid and rode down there {X} and got on that train had the biggest time I've ever had in my life. We rode Alabama I believe it was Muscle Shoals we just you've heard of Muscle Shoals I know but they just got it built that's what the {X} are for to shores you know down people out of Nashville anyone middle Tennessee could meet 'em you know Nashville or Franklin of course come right through Franklin {C: tape overlaid} I never will forget it we're sitting out there waiting for the looks like never was gonna come {D: when would} one come come up to the depot there in Franklin {C: tape overlaid} well you have to {X} {D: behind we'll load it} {C: tape overlaid} well sun's began to fall and I thought well they ain't gonna get to make the trip now and we got on I believe it was {X} {C: tape overlaid} five train load I believe it was I believe it was we got on in the fourth or fifth one before you could ever get on {C: tape overlaid} we crawled on down we taken to picked up some in Columbia, some on down Mount Pleasant, some on down further others going on down picked 'em up all the way down {C: tape overlaid} fifth one come on got to remain {D: if I believe} going on the fourth one whichever one I don't know but we mighta been on the fifth one we went down there {X} and then we give us time to eat a dinner. Well we {X} {X} I remember just as well as if it was yesterday {C: tape overlaid} {C: tape overlaid} come around and that's what it was {C: tape overlaid} {X} our bunch that's my my community every one of us ordered fish {C: tape overlaid} she brought us these uh We really eat we's young growing you know and {D: we ordered bonefish} {C: tape overlaid} and it seemed like {X} fish to me {X} {X} and {X} come around again said anything else I could bring you said yeah I'd like to have some more fish {C: tape distorted) {X}