Interviewer: Okay um and the rocky side of a mountain that drops off real sharp 330: Bluff? Interviewer: Okay but like you'd say the man jumped over the 330: Man jumped over the Interviewer: The what? 330: Wall? Interviewer: Okay but in a mountain that drops off just real sharp you know Wife: {X} 330: Ledge? Interviewer: Okay what about cliff? 330: Cliff? Oh yeah cliff yeah that would be better. Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. 330: Cliff'd be better. Interviewer: Um and up in the mountains where the road goes across in a low place you'd call that a 330: Valley. Interviewer: Okay but not a valley, it's still up in the mountains. 330: Well you call it a let's see, what would that be Interviewer: Did you ever hear of Cumberland Gap? 330: Uh the Cumberland Gap? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: Yeah I think I yeah I think I heard of it, I don't know where it's at, located. Wife: Cumberland Mountain. Interviewer: Do you ever use that word gap? 330: Gap? Yeah, I've heard gap spoken quite a few times in my life. Interviewer: What does it mean? 330: I guess it'd be a place where they went to, this country and would be uh place to get out of to go out in the wilderness like and get out of it, would be out of a into opening, wouldn't it? Get out of the gap I'd say. I don't know whether that's right or what it would mean mean or not but that would be my I imagine getting out of and the opening where you get out of {X} you'd be trying to {X} like going in the gap like in in in sort of enclosure then when you get out opening you'd be out out of that's what I think about it. Interviewer: Okay um suppose you took a piece of wood and made a little cut shaped like a V into it 330: A little canoe? You mean a a great big #1 piece, or just # Interviewer: #2 No no just # Take a little piece and 330: Trough? #1 Make a little trough? # Interviewer: #2 Take your knife # Take your knife and make a cut here and a cut here and you'd call that a little 330: Uh {NS} I just don't know. Interviewer: Okay you know they they say at least you know gun fighters a long time ago that if they kill a man 330: Oh n- yeah oh notch {NW} yeah notch on the there'd be a notch of every man he killed they had to make- he'd make a notch. Cut. Ain't that what you talking about? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Yeah I've heard mm-hmm. Got one more notch. On my gun. Interviewer: Okay. Um and a place where boats stop and um freight's unloaded 330: Dock. Interviewer: Okay. Any other name 330: Uh well let's see I guess a yard, shipping yard be a kind of where the where the boats pull in and out Wife: {X} 330: Matter what? Wife: It'd be {X} 330: Oh I never heard of that. Interviewer: Okay. Suppose you had a stream and it's flowing along and it suddenly dropped off where the water went on over, you'd call that a 330: Waterfall. Interviewer: Okay. And what kinds of roads are there around here? 330: Roads. Interviewer: Yeah. Like made out of okay like that kind that's made out of that that white hard paved road, you'd call that a 330: Concrete road. Interviewer: Okay. #1 Um # 330: #2 Pavement. # Interviewer: What other kinds? 330: Well they have asphalt roads and uh concrete roads and and uh Interviewer: Did you ever use the word blacktop? 330: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: For asphalt? 330: Yeah blacktop. too that's what we called a called a {X} blacktop. That's what they call this one run up in front of the house here you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: It's a blacktop road. And uh {NS} they have to build a little hole for the {X} one of these interstates wears out {X} you know places do on 'em they have to patch 'em up. Way back when I was young they had toll gates and all would grab {X} I told you I remember 'em building highway over here and this one over here too west side of us both thirty-one one thirty-one {X} one thirty-one east. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And uh they would just go out a pipe road, had little houses on the side, had a toll gate. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: Would come down over that rock that man'd let it up and he'd charge you a dime to go over it in your buggy and a quarter for a wagon and team. And that's where they they serviced their pipe they'd hire help to haul the gravel and put on it. without the money they got out of this toll you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: That's where it we come up in my young life I've shoveled gravel many a day {D: haul that} {X} and it started right down here at my tobacco patch. And {X} down to that ninety-six Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Was Arno Pike we called and we'd work it we'd haul gravel all up and down these creeks Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And then spread 'em out on the road Interviewer: What's the word pike mean? I've heard that a lot, but 330: Well, this turnpike. It's paved it's a paved- paved thing {NS} it uh I imagine you've heard of that Interviewer: Yeah. 330: we build a they build a bridges over Tennessee River two different places I know of. I've ferried across. Before they build it. And uh they they that turnpike is they'll charge so much for a car Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: The man sits in a little house 'til they get that bridge paid for then they they quit, they don't charge you any money, it's free that's the way they build 'em, Tennessee does. Across the Tennessee River now I know two that are built across like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: Just let it pay for itself #1 then # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 330: then it's free I never will forget one time we was going {NW} I love to be living, that's all brilliant thing to be living we were going down to the bayou Nineteen forty-one trying to get on that job down there bunch of uh men I had a whole bunch of men in my car and they had suitcases tied on and uh tool boxes and things we'd go going down trying to get on this {X} there's five or six of us in the car, can't remember exactly well either five or six men and we'd get all the way down at night and we come to this they're building this bridge across the Tennessee River and we had to ferry across. In the mean time, just before I got to there my hose one of the hose on my car it busted. And the car's about to burn up. So when this ferrying across my car was the last one they let get on, there's about I'd say ten or twelve of us on the ferry Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: It carried across and them others just went right on, course {X} {X} and then I pulled {D: Wallace} it's a guy that drove this ferry told me to pour water he had a cup there he keep telling me talking about this pour water saying that would cool it off going down {X} about two and a half three miles to little town he said I can if I can get 'em up they'll probably be in their beds won't be nobody up but if I can wake somebody up there in that little town maybe they can get somebody to get up and get me a fan belt. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And uh I started out {X} up that bank you did you ever go across there? Interviewer: Uh-uh. 330: See that ferry knocked water all over the gravel bank there Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: gravel bank, but you climb up as you go up that ferry. So like about that steep, goes up that bank. Well my car tipped down, we had so much of a load on it and now to get parts, you- you've heard that you know you know that much I imagine car gets hot it won't run good and it wasn't running too good, and it choked down Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: and I didn't have the hand brakes on, just foot brake and that darn boat done backed off and long gone, in the dark now we're sitting in the dark left us out in the dark you see Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And I had to hold that {NS} brake with my left foot Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And them men jumped out over there like {X} me to death come every one of my men jumped out over and jumped off and run left us and I finally got my car started held brake with my left foot and got it started and finally got got it climbed up out of this and my heart was just beating, I could hear it just beating #1 was about that # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 330: making that kinda racket I was expecting that thing to go back up in the river {NS} choked down about slipped off back in there with me Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Never scared in my life I said no never go across another ferry if I live to be a million years old I ain't I wouldn't go across one no way shape or fashion Interviewer: What what did your friends do? They just 330: They went off {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Some friends you have! # 330: left me. Interviewer: {NW} 330: And I I rode by 'em when I got started you know? And they hollered hey hey hey wait a minute we want to ride with you, I said no I'm going on. Y'all will just have to walk. Course I stopped I let 'em walk about a quarter of a mile, I reckon #1 something # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 330: like that just mean I thought they sure did give me a dozen it wasn't cost 'em nothing to go with me, I didn't charge 'em nothing Interviewer: The least they could have done is try to push the car up. 330: Or stayed with me {X} or hollered they all hollered that scared me so bad I just couldn't I don't know where I {X} said anything to the man with the ferry or not. But he what he all he had on his mind was rushing back and getting another load of cars coming across with him you know. They ought to wait to be sure that man's everybody's going off Interviewer: #1 before # 330: #2 Yeah. # he takes away. Pulls out. And that thing acts like me is missing so I didn't think he'd ever get across with us. I think I tell you he carried way down below where we went we going off in it Interviewer: Yeah. 330: course they they knew how to turn you know hit the place there and come out and it cost you next time I went back another trip went across I went across that there bridge it cost uh I believe it's a dollar for for myself and the car and I believe it's fifty cents a piece for each passenger you have, I believe that's what it was. I made them pay for themselves we come back. I didn't go back across that ferry. But I never did get any job down there. My wife said you're gonna starve to death. We children {X} little fellows you know {X} and she said I spent all the money I can get my hands on {X} we didn't have I never did {X} {D: crop one patch of cows just like we did} {NS} Interviewer: What would you call a a little road that goes off the main road? 330: Well it's a it'd just pulled off a side road Interviewer: Okay. Um any other names like that like 330: For the road? Interviewer: Back road country road 330: Yeah it would call it a gravel road or something like that off the main road I guess you could call it the gravel road. Interviewer: Okay um what um this is something they use in making roads it's black I'm not thinking of asphalt it's black and it's sticky and it has a strong smell. 330: That would be pitch I guess. Interviewer: Okay any other name for that? 330: Kinda like a tar it's {X} something that's what sticks the gravel rock together, what you're talking about Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Mm-hmm I think it's took you just take all the all the flesh off your bones if you were to get some of it on there. It's the hottest stuff you ever saw in your life when they pour pour it you know Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And it's uh See uh that pitch and uh I guess asphalt it's kind of an asphalt Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And and pitch {X} {X} underneath concrete don't you know a lot of 'em we got a lot here state up here just pure concrete. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: They last long time but they don't rise as good as they say these asphalt roads do. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: The concrete's kinda rough they have to have a little {NS} you know little {X} place just blocks like of so often you know to {X} keep from busting all #1 to pieces {X} # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 330: fan and you can tell a car hitting 'em in little places makes a little {X} going over 'em course they they they last for a long time I guess a lot longer than these other ones {X} asphalt it dries so much better {NS} heap better. How'd you come over here? Did you come by Peytonsville or did you did you come out through Peytonsville over here? Interviewer: I couldn't find it on a map, either. Is it should it be on a map? 330: Peytonsville? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: {X} uh away at uh Interviewer: I'm staying near this place that it has a sign that says Peytonsville road. 330: Road I've {X} Interviewer: So I guess I'm near there. 330: Uh-huh you could come right on out there that's good road out here, blacktop roads all the way all the way here Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Up 'til there. You just hit that pavement road come right on, you run over one of the two little stores over there come on down to this last one and then turn to your right and come on up here about three four hundred yards then you turn back to your left and you come head right in straight into Arno. That one goes straight through here from Arno back to way it goes to Harpeth the way it's four thirty-one. Lewisburg Pike. Interviewer: Hmm. 330: But you turn off over right over there go down a steep hill kind of right {X} and go down this little store I'm telling you about then you turn your left just stay right on that road and you'll come out over there at that truck stop. Right in front of it. You'll run right up in front of it. Interviewer: Hmm. 330: So yeah if you've never been there, that would be your have you been going down and coming out ninety-six? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: To here then turn off on Arno Road, have you? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: This would be close to to you course you know you you'd be you're close right there at that truck stop, aren't you? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And it's, what uh at least two and a half three mile ain't it back down to ninety-six? On the interstate, something like that? Interviewer: Something like that, yeah. 330: A little closer but you might better you might head off on the wrong road {X} now in the daytime if you come back in the morning I you come that way, I'd come that way. Course you can see you know and then if you head {X} but you wouldn't want to stop, you'd just stay on that pavement road 'til you get down to that little store. And just turn there come on up, then turn back to your left turn right {X} store there on the corner and you go up and turn back left and you run right up come up a little hill back to Arno Interviewer: Hmm. 330: And you say you didn't have no trouble finding the {X} at all? Interviewer: Finding what? 330: Smithson boy. Interviewer: No. 330: Was his home when you got there? Interviewer: Yeah. He was there. 330: And you remember the {X} Interviewer: Oh I didn't remember him I remembered it after he mentioned it. I remembered his horse's name. You know, after he said it. 330: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And um yeah he had a picture there I was really surprised that his horse'd take him four at night so is it a good class to 330: That boy that says his horse won it Interviewer: He he won it Thursday night. 330: Uh-huh. Interviewer: He said 330: Wallace won it. {X} Yeah I forget who he said was riding his horse. One one one {X} she a good looking girl? Interviewer: I didn't see it Thursday night. 330: I mean Saturday night. Interviewer: Mm I don't remember. 330: He told me the girl's name, but I I didn't know said she is had a must have been the trainer or he always give her whatever she want Interviewer: Yeah. 330: he's trying to get him up get where he can sell it for a big lot of money Interviewer: uh-huh 330: what he's trying to do. I told him it wouldn't take no {X} but he begged me into it I never got a dime of it in my life I've had it all my life sure never did get a dime out of it. Interviewer: Of what, insurance? 330: Yeah-huh. I told 'em I said I just ain't gonna take it. He said oh you are {X} write you the same one you had last year. I no I ain't gonna take it then said yeah I'll let you give it to these other people, They get- I don't ever get nothing. He said well this year you might could be lucky, you might get terrible killing out of it, I said well dadgummit let me have the thing and I'll sign it. Might be {X} years so much rain we might you know might be {X} to get that much collected. Interviewer: What kinda insurance is this? 330: It's tobacco insurance on my tobacco crop, a thousand dollars. Per acre. On I reckon I have about fifteen hundred dollars in the patch. That would be nothing you know. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: If we had to get tore to pieces destroy it. And we we we have hailstorms and winds it might it might hit us again too you know, it gets up big gets up large you never have seen any you said grow have you Interviewer: No. 330: It just up we top it up about the size of my head cut the top out of it. Interviewer: Tobacco gets that tall? 330: Yeah. And then it's {D: spray all out here then we get six fif- twelve fifteen feet high you didn't cut the top out of it. But you cut out a lot of it and Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Throw it away. Then these top leaves come over and make great big leaves and what you'll {X} you top 'em then we cut our stalks and {C: tape overlaid} spear 'em on a stick, but out there in your country in Georgia, Florida, and North Carolina and South Carolina they pull the leaves off. Pull 'em off the stalk {X} pull off one or two at three or something the bottom Interviewer: mm-hmm 330: and they take 'em in I reckon still {X} string around 'em a pole or a stick and hang 'em up in the little drying house. Dry 'em up and they they start to sell 'em about the middle of July. {X} Georgia and uh Florida. Then they get through with that those two countries they come over in South Carolina and east North Carolina to start. Come this a way 'til they get through with all that they got a eastern belt in North Carolina, middle belt and old belt. North Carolina really sells I suspect three or four time much as all the other Georgia and Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And Florida Interviewer: #1 oh yeah # 330: #2 together made in # South Carolina too. Interviewer: Winston-Salem and all those places 330: I hope I never been out there to Salem but that's where we going away he wants to wait and go he said if I would never go back no more. He wants to see lot his friends been going out there this Winston North Carolina way out on the coast, I don't know, I never been there. But he wants to go up there and stay two three three four days with some of his friends up there Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: {X} And we gonna stay the boy that I one of my best friends I ever had his house for a few days, then we're going up on the coast. The boy has a trailer house {X} out of glass goes right down to the water spend night gonna stay several nights with him out there on the water {X} Interviewer: Sounds pretty nice. 330: So we'll {X} {X} nothing happen we gonna have a good time I really enjoy cuz I probably never will get to see him anymore. He ain't come here for thirty-some odd years we worked together, he and I. And they retired year before last he won't ever be back, {D: If I can just comes on} visit Interviewer: #1 and he won't # 330: #2 Yeah # ever do it. He getting old, he Last year {X} he's {X} which I'll be sixty-seven this year and he'll be sixty-six. When you get that old so many little things can happen to you just overnight Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And you just probably may not get to make it there at all nothing don't {X} I still plan on I don't care what it costs, I'm gonna go. I sure had a good time out there his wife just as good {X} my wife coulda been, never was I'd never seen her or talked to her on the phone a world of times you know and never seen any of his children you know he had two sons and a daughter. Course they all married and daughter worked, when I went out there she my baby wasn't either girl the same age as her and we had a wonderful time. She every time she went to cook a meal she always come ask me what'd I feel like I could eat for lunch or breakfast or dinner. Eat anything you cook I'll eat some of it. They eat different than we do. They eat they have grits nearly every meal Interviewer: mm-hmm 330: out there do you have it in Georgia, too? Y'all have a lot of grits? Interviewer: For breakfast sometimes. 330: Well they had it dinner {X} out there every every meal I ate a lot with 'em, they thought they had to have it and I could eat a little, too. Well I'm losing your time. You you better go ahead, I ain't gotta get talking now. Interviewer: {NW} Okay what would you call a little road that turns off from the public road down 330: Side road. Interviewer: A side road? 330: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay what if it comes up to a man's house? 330: Private road. I'd say. Goes up to somebody's home. Interviewer: Okay. Um and something on the side of the street for people to walk on 330: Sidewalks. Interviewer: Okay. Do you ever call that anything else? 330: Pavement? Interviewer: Pavers? Is that an old fashioned word, or 330: Yeah I'd think so. I it it would be on up on the pavement or sidewalk, either one, say one would what you might call it I've I've called 'em both. But most of the time call 'em sidewalks. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Where people walk. Interviewer: Okay, say you were walking along a road and a dog jumped out at you um what would you pick up and throw? 330: I'd pick a rock up and throw at it. Interviewer: Okay. Um so you say I picked up the 330: Stone? Interviewer: Yeah 330: Threw at him Interviewer: Okay Um suppose you went to someone's house and knocked on the door and no one answered, you'd say well I guess they're not 330: Not at home. Interviewer: Okay. And talking about putting milk in coffee you'd say some people like coffee 330: Cream? Interviewer: Yeah what milk if some people 330: Um in well uh we we we we uh skim it we would {X} the people does you know have just get pure cream the way my wife does is to put in the coffee have some for somebody but we hardly don't do much now or cream? It'd just it's like a just pure rich and it you you thinking of another name that you want we call it? Interviewer: Uh I was saying if you if you like your like milk in your coffee then you say you drink your milk how? 330: Oh I I drink I I drink my milk straight or coffee without without milk? Or something Interviewer: Or you drink your milk or you drink your coffee 330: Uh with uh cream Interviewer: Or talking about milk though, you'd drink your coffee 330: Yeah with with milk. Interviewer: Okay. Um and what if you don't put what about coffee without milk and sugar what do you call that? 330: I just pure coffee I guess you'd call it. Interviewer: Do you call it straight or 330: #1 Straight # Interviewer: #2 Black coffee # 330: Black, some of 'em called it black I'd call it straight. But I didn't most {X} got a sister won't don't drink no use no sugar, cream, or nothing but I have to have a little sugar. I can drink without cream, I hardly use cream, but I got to have a little sugar in mine. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: But she works for the government for years and years 'til she retired they'd take her a little coffee breaks you know and my daughter worked down at {X} in Nashville just like little working ten years Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And she married she didn't even drink coffee before she started down there and she got {X} {X} {D: drank herself once every so often} Wife: Would you care for a Coke or a glass of tea? Interviewer: Oh no thank you. Wife: I thought maybe you might. {X} the fridge but I 330: She might eat some popcorn you ain't gonna pop me no corn Wife: Would you like to have some? Interviewer: If you have some. Wife: Okay. {D: will you} Interviewer: Okay if someone were walking in this direction you'd say he was coming straight 330: Walking how now? Interviewer: In your direction you'd say he's coming straight 330: Straight at at me or straight to me Interviewer: Or another word he was walking not away from me, he's walking 330: Toward me. Interviewer: Huh? 330: Walking towards me. Interviewer: Okay. 330: I'd say he's coming straight at me. Interviewer: Okay. Um and if you saw someone that you hadn't seen in quite a while you just happen to see 'em, you'd say well today I I ran 330: In into one of my friends I haven't seen in a long time Interviewer: Okay and um so okay talking about kinds of animals {NW} a kind of animal that barks you call that a 330: I I reckon home Interviewer: Huh? 330: We- that bar- That barks away from home? Interviewer: What do you mean? 330: Fox. Fox barks. Interviewer: Okay. But 330: You know you've you've heard of you know foxes, don't you? Interviewer: Yeah. 330: They bark come in bark you know you came barking out at night is that what you Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Were speaking about? Interviewer: Okay. What say if you were going hunting you'd take along a good hunting 330: Gun Interviewer: Or a 330: Uh Interviewer: The animal you'd take 330: Uh well I I would take a something to get 'em with? Uh uh uh Interviewer: Well what animals you got out there? 330: Huh? Interviewer: Blackie and the 330: What what if I was going hunting? Interviewer: Yeah what kind of animal do you have out there? 330: Well he's half bird dog half shepherd the black one Interviewer: Okay. 330: And he he he'll point rabbits birds, chickens, anything Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Squirrels And he'll run, he go {X} he's scared of a gun and lightning and thunder and he can't keep him when you shoot he'll run off {X} make him come back to me Interviewer: Have you ever um Mister um Smithson had this dog that it's eyes were sort of whitish or 330: Whitish looking. Interviewer: Do you have a name for that? 330: Glass eyes. Interviewer: Glass? 330: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 What makes a dog like that? # 330: #2 That's what I'd call it. # I don't know. I guess I guess you I think you just naturally born that way, I don't think anything has happened to her. I don't believe I've seen it too. Interviewer: No different from any other 330: I don't know enough it may be now we we used I tell you what we used to call the horses we drove at night you know uh sometimes you get one of the moon eyed Interviewer: Moon eyed. 330: Uh-huh and couldn't see how to go at night. Other words a real horse natured horse Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Had good eyes right {X} you can just {X} wrap 'em around {X} {X} Interviewer: Around your what? 330: Spatter board, that's where out in front they had a little board about that high put in front of your feet you put your feet Interviewer: Yeah 330: out there in the I call 'em the spatter board. Interviewer: Uh-huh 330: And I'd wrap 'em around down there and that horse would carry me anywhere in the world. Bring me back. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And I wouldn't have to guide him. At all. But now you get a one I got one one time a fellow got his horse want me to drive his horse we going he's going with me we going to see two girls and he wanted to drive his horse. He come to my home and he says this this he rode his horse, he didn't have a buggy Interviewer: mm-hmm 330: he says let's let's drive my horse in your buggy tonight. Well I didn't know about the darn horse, and and I said well alright. Don't make no difference to me if it's safe oh he's safe yeah drove off well him and another fellow walked the girls house close to the church and I carried a girl home a good long ways, I went on got the girl and took her on a good piece and I find out after that he was the one and he couldn't see nothing, he'd just run off falling down a gully and {X} everywhere and he couldn't do nothing. I couldn't put him lines on the spatter board that night or wrap around my whip Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And he that horse run couldn't see {X} uh blind real blind at night, couldn't see nothing. And they called 'em moon-eyed. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: That's what they called 'em. I never had driven one before, didn't know what the thing was but that's what they called 'em moon-eyed. My neighbor was gonna scare me that night. And this other fellow {X} he had the fellow this this girl lived in another direction. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: And they took the girls home they took off and run and got to I had to go through the woods {X} actual home Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: Great big woods I went through Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And uh {NS} way back in that woods here you know when I come through there gonna grab my horse Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: {D: holler for it} {X} I didn't come {D: the other way} {X} brothers she wanted to go to her brother's that night that Sunday night so I carried her with us due east they they went west started way back west {X} two or three oh clock we {X} I never did come he come in that night, I just took it old horse out my buggy and hitched him {X} barn Interviewer: Yeah. 330: He'd come in that room {X} about three oh clock got on his horse rode it home. Said never {X} I just down there on {X} I knew it, I heard them talking, I said I didn't hear nothing but she just wanted to go to her brother's {X} back home to her mother. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: But we went up there. Later good little while, you know, I think I ten thirty maybe eleven come in Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} Okay if you wanted your dog to attack another dog what would you tell him? 330: I sic 'em on him. Interviewer: Okay. Um and now I'm interested in what kinda names you have for types of dogs. Not breeds of dogs just um okay like what would you call a a dog that you don't know what kind he is? {C: tape overlaid} 330: {X} well it'd just call it you you mean the just uh stray dog come up and Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And a I'd say well he's a shepherd or he's a cur dog or he's a hound or he's a bird dog, or he's a {NS} a feist or Interviewer: What's a feist? 330: Just a little bitty small dog Interviewer: Yeah. What's a cur dog? 330: That's uh that's uh what you call like that black in his mind, sick head short and the old dog out there is a shepherd. You see his hair used to be that long course a lot of it came out. Some ladies run over him last year and crooked him up. Never has got over it. And the bird dog this dog mammy my son got a bird dog got this dog mammy and then he's got another new boy lives Nashville he keeps one they hunt birds Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: You've heard of bird hunting, haven't you? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: You may have been bird hunting with someone Interviewer: #1 No # 330: #2 maybe # they killed quite a few birds, we have a big bird supper every spring they killed quite a few {X} it's just a lot of {X} to it Interviewer: Yeah. 330: They they're like him out there now he was going with me he just did it we went back up there on the {X} king {X} morning I walk in the field checking fences getting {X} cut this piece of hay some of 'em had bloomed down there I was getting 'em cutting 'em toting 'em out and he {NS} oh and he was kinda like {X} just as quiet as {X} on it but I knew I I was pretty sure the rabbit Interviewer: mm-hmm 330: I said get it he jumped in and this rabbit come out he can't run he's so big you know know how big he gets he can't run forever but he run a little piece and then he'll give him up but he would try his best. He'd catch a groundhog took it bring him in the yard and eat some Interviewer: That's why you got that chain around him? So he can't run? 330: Makes noise now you don't get as many. I why I put that chain on him {X} sister when they moved down there {X} {X} Franklin she give Aunt {X} game chickens that her brother had give her I didn't want to bring 'em up here, I tell you he just didn't like the looks of 'em, he he knew they didn't belong here. Interviewer: Yeah 330: And I believe gonna kill every one of 'em he just he just walked behind it and they'd cackle and carrying on and he'd then he jump try to catch 'em {NS} I whipped him then took him and hitched {X} two three days Interviewer: You {X} 330: Hitched him I put that add a little chain on him that a a ring and got one link on it and {X} and well I might as well have killed him he just dropped his head just give up you know he just wanna sleep {X} oh he thought he's killed I went out there one late one afternoon I said now son I'm gonna turn you loose {D: keep cool} now but I don't want you to bother them chickens now he went back straight back laid down where he'd been laying outside his little house he went get up and come in anymore laid down and I come on in the house he was laying there last I seen when he got up that night and left outside but he never has brought 'em I I you seen a he finally laid down out there I make I can make him lay down he hates to do it but he'll #1 finally # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 330: lay down. They're smart. Bird dogs smartest dog on earth. Interviewer: Yeah. 330: Training you can really train 'em. I've had some that {X} shepherds are good ones too I used to have a shepherd rode with me everywhere I went. In my buggy then I after I bought a car he'd drive with me then somebody called him out and shot him one night. Interviewer: For real? 330: Yeah. Interviewer: #1 What for? # 330: #2 Killed him. # Killed him. I just don't know. I wasn't there. I had gone off to my sister's to spend the night my daddy and them said they heard the gun fire, heard him heard him {X} they find him laying up in the road the next morning. Interviewer: Mm. 330: They just some mean young boys didn't like him you know, wanted to wanted get shut up I wouldn't I'm I had a man ask me he go get the cows every afternoon by himself wouldn't even have to tell him go get 'em, bring 'em up keep 'em down there before you got through milking used to stand by first time milking in the fence corner Interviewer: Yeah. 330: He'd keep them cows there 'til we got 'em in, then he'd come on on up lay down over there {X} he wouldn't let 'em they'd graze off you know grazing he'd get around and make 'em drive 'em back. And then he'd lay down out there wait 'til we got through, then he {X} I had the fellow tell me just begged me to price him what would it take for him I said well I wouldn't take a million dollar for him. I wouldn't have, either. {X} over there myself, I'd go everywhere. I think a lot of Interviewer: Um if you had a real mean dog, you might tell someone, you better be careful, that dog'll 330: Will bite you. Interviewer: Okay. And you say yesterday that dog what the mailman 330: Bit the mailman. Interviewer: Okay. And you say the mailman had to go to the doctor after he got 330: Bit. Interviewer: Okay do you ever say dog bit after he got dog bit? 330: Mm-hmm. Wife: Would y'all like tea or Coke to go with your popcorn? Interviewer: I guess I would like a tea or Coke doesn't matter. Wife: Either one, I have a 330: Get her some Coke. You'd rather have a Coke, wouldn't you? Wife: {D: huh} {NW} 330: Uh Wife: Johnny, you gonna drink Coke or tea? 330: Yeah I'll drink a little Coke. Wife: Now you oughta have tea. 330: Well bring me tea. {X} drink {X} every day now I didn't for two years, but I don't {X} I'm gonna die, I know I might have a spell and die from pneumonia {D: I feel} bad luck Interviewer: Mm. 330: But I hate not eating nothing I enjoy Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} Talking about cows what do you call the male? 330: Bull. Interviewer: Okay. Any other names? Was that word nice to use when you were growing up? 330: Well that's what my folks always called 'em but the bull male cow my mother but I don't mind that word called bull in my life when she always said ma- male I guess. That's what you mean isn't it? Male cow. Interviewer: Did you ever remember work some work animals other than mules and horses? Something that looks sort of like 330: Oxen? Interviewer: Oxen? 330: Mm-hmm. Yeah I've seen one. Drag logs with 'em Interviewer: How would you um see those working together? 330: They they'd work 'em I have a wood stuff across everything in front chest like a we have a collar on the mules the horse and uh have tracks in that thing that pull that mind 'em you know Interviewer: mm-hmm 330: they said just I never did own one, never did but they they used to make logs with 'em. Strong they said. Interviewer: What would you call them? If you have two working together? 330: Well a team of oxen I guess. I guess you'd call it a team that's what we called a team pair of mules you know, a team. Hitch you on a team of oxen. Interviewer: Okay. 330: That's just a big steer you know Interviewer: Yeah. 330: What they were, the oxen, is a big steer. Interviewer: Okay um something a little cow when it's first born it's called a 330: Baby calf. Interviewer: Okay. What if it was a female? 330: Huh? Interviewer: What if it's a female? 330: Little heifer. Interviewer: Okay and male? 330: A little bull. Interviewer: Okay. And if you had a cow that was gonna have a calf you'd say that your cow was going to 330: Calve. Interviewer: Okay. Any other expression? 330: Come fresh. Interviewer: Okay. And the animals that you'd ride you'd call those {C: tape overlaid} 330: {X} Animals I've ridden? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: Horses. Or mules. Ponies. Something. Interviewer: What do you call the female horse? 330: Mare. Interviewer: What about the male? 330: Stud. Interviewer: Any other word? 330: Stallion. Interviewer: What did your mother say for that? 330: Well I guess she'd call 'em stallions. Probably. Interviewer: Okay. Um and if you couldn't stay on, you'd say I fell 330: I got throwed off. Throwed. Interviewer: Okay so off 330: Off. I've got throwed off. One time one throwed me off {X} young mule and throwed me off and that singletree trace came wrapped around one of my feet Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And he drug me around and around for about fifteen to minutes maybe twenty. Just around and around and around. And I didn't ever lose my head, always my {X} he'd have drug me to death drug my brains out if he run you know, but I just kept on steady him what to do and how to do it I just hope that was the last time finally I said well I'm gonna give a quick jump {X} holler and he'll jump and maybe that trace'll come off of my hand always want to see the hand stick up about that high for up over the top hang string Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: Over the collar. Interviewer: mm-hmm 330: And I just stick that ring there they uh traces over each handle you know and that's what my foot leg wrapped around in quick when he throwed me and and there's dragging me around and around and around. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: And he was young mule, just three years old, too, just break me. To ride good. And I gave that quick jerk, he jumped and that ring jumped off of that hang unraveled then he just stop stood there and looked at me. I walked led him good piece and I said well son you gonna have to tote me, I just ain't gonna walk. {X} {X} lead you in I got on he bucked for several hundred yards trying to get me off, but I stayed I just tucked those reins in and chains and and just laid 'em over there and and {X} anything like that but have 'em I got leg got wrapped around something and just fell off wouldn't have hurt him. Pushed 'em up on his neck further and I kept him two more years working. I rode him every day back and forth to work. Field he never did try to throw me no more. But he bucked every day when he throwed me he bucked for a ha- I reckon half a mile just as fast as he could buck. Jump in the air and bellow you know and run Interviewer: Okay but if a little child say went to sleep in bed woke up found himself on the floor in the morning he'd say well I guess I must have 330: Fell off. Fell out of the bed. Interviewer: Okay. And the things that you put on the horse's feet 330: Horse shoes? Interviewer: Okay. What about the game that you play with horseshoes? What do you call that? 330: Pitch pitch horseshoes? Interviewer: Okay. And the parts of the horse's feet that you put the shoes onto 330: Hoof? Interviewer: The what? 330: Hoof? Interviewer: Okay. 330: Horse's hoof. Drive the nails in his hoof you know Interviewer: Yeah. How many of these does a horse have? 330: How many hoof? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 330: Four. Interviewer: You put shoes on all 330: All four of 'em. Interviewer: Okay. Um 330: Four nail on each side the shoe. Put you put eight nails on the shoe. On a horse. That'd be thirty-two nails Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: To shoe 'em. Interviewer: What about um the male sheep 330: {X} For a sheep? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: Call him a ram. Buck. Interviewer: Which word is nicer? 330: I I guess a w- would would be nicer to call him a ram Interviewer: Do you remember what your mother would say? 330: No, I don't remember. We never did have any sheep. At all. {NS} I don't reckon there'd be too much difference between a ram and a buck Interviewer: Yeah. 330: And goats. I have some goats did you ever see any goats? Interviewer: Not up close. 330: Got some little kids Interviewer: Do you have some now? 330: I got twelve little ones Interviewer: What do you keep 'em for? 330: Eat 'em. Interviewer: To eat 'em? 330: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You eat goat? 330: Best meat you ever eat. Interviewer: You ever milk goats? 330: Never had any milk goats. I've seen a lot of 'em lots of 'em {NS} you take care of {X} {X} {D: bushes} {D: skin trees} {X} goats I have Interviewer: They're what? 330: bush goats Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 330: Kill the little bushes and skin 'em to eat 'em {NS} briar can't find a briar {D: over there in that lot to this day} to kill every briar in the patch I came to put new fence out and had a lot of little bushes left where the dozers didn't get 'em out good I just left 'em I thought that'd be the best thing, let them kill 'em I bought me four goats to put in there {NS} and for the next two years they done have {X} four oh clock just skinned every one of 'em all the briars in there not a blackberry vine in there lots now nannies call it the ma'am is nannies the uh the other male is billies Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about the female sheep? 330: Call her um uh ewe Interviewer: Okay 330: {X} I have been {X} called a ewe I had {X} used to everybody {X} lived in the country would have a big bunch of sheep got to make the most of living out of sheep but the ewes {X} there ain't hardly any sheep in this country you hardly ever see one now. Cuz they're not worth anything hardly used to bring forty fifty dollars a piece. Sheep would. Now {D: all they bring is} Interviewer: What would they raise?