Interviewer: you couldn't eat the outside rim of the bacon 342: because it was it'd be hard #1 it'd be # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: #1 salty # Interviewer: #2 what # they call that the bacon 342: rind Interviewer: rind, rind #1 yeah, yeah, that was # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: n- n- the salt {D: ain't} just like a rock or something it'd be so hard 342: oh it would be hard and it uh but there's nothing better than than this streaked lean meat Interviewer: #1 oh yeah # 342: #2 if you # get that with a skin that where the salt course you have to wash it but you if you slice it {NS} {NS} and get several {NS} pieces of {NS} where the lean goes through it and slice it uh course back when I was a little girl growing up we didn't have much bacon then you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: Mother would get that and it would be slice she'd slice it real thin and uh you'd slice it and come down to this heavy piece of skin and she'd slice it under that and always save the skin part then to cook in the green #1 beans # Interviewer: #2 yeah # right what about the uh did you make your own sausage? Or did uh have you ever seen #1 sausage made # 342: #2 oh # yes {NS} I've seen it made quite a bit {NS} I that's one thing that I've never done though is been around hogs at hog killing #1 time # Interviewer: #2 oh okay # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh if meat begins to go bad you say that meat smells like it's 342: spoiled Interviewer: mm-kay a man who cuts meat an- and things in a #1 store # 342: #2 butcher # Interviewer: mm-kay {NS} #1 uh did they ever say it turned it ever turned souse meat or head cheese # 342: #2 yes # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: and they 342: souse meat Interviewer: okay, that's where they boil #1 {X} # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: uh 342: and I love it #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 it's good stuff # 342: {NW} Interviewer: #1 have you ever heard of anybody putting pl- making just regular souse and then putting a little bit of corn meal in with it and letting it sit up that way, is that still called souse? Or is that called # 342: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 something # 342: #2 as far as # I know it is {NS} Interviewer: what about uh milk when it begins to go bad and gets kind of lumpy 342: clabbers Interviewer: mm-kay what about a diet food that's made out of that uh wh- 342: cottage cheese Interviewer: Okay 342: {NW} Interviewer: Did uh, you talk about separating the milk, did you ever see anyone churn the milk or? 342: Oh gosh Interviewer: They had to pour it through a cheese cloth to do what to it before they'd churn it 342: Strain it Interviewer: Okay 342: #1 But I # Interviewer: #2 did # 342: #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 churn many a # 342: day Interviewer: have you ever, with one of the old {D: dashers} 342: #1 yes # Interviewer: #2 churns? # 342: sir Interviewer: you know up north a lot of people have never seen those, they have the a churn that looks like a barrel 342: #1 and turns this way # Interviewer: #2 with a crank # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # #1 And I didn't know what in the world, I had some friends from uh Minnesota # 342: #2 my- {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: and they brought one of those and they were so proud of it, it was an antique and I didn't even know what it was 342: {NW} Interviewer: They said it was a #1 was a churn # 342: #2 my aunt # #1 had one of those she got # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 one # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 uncle Jo-, well uh # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: uncle Joe uh his sister uh husband got it for her Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and it was a new fandangled thing of course you know as the old saying is and Interviewer: yeah 342: uh oh man he was so they were so proud of that thing and but uh {NS} I've churned many a days sit there churning churning #1 churning and read and # Interviewer: #2 I can remember # #1 cleaning my hands # 342: #2 and # Interviewer: #1 dirty as # 342: #2 watch # the thing you know and watch the butter come and then you'd have to stir up the butter and get it all and then you have to work that water out of that the milk #1 and then # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # #1 then what do you put in the butter mold # 342: #2 water at # Kids don't know how {NW} Interviewer: #1 What about the kind of pie that's made where you get uh fruit # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: boiling and then drop dumpling kind of stuff down into it 342: Kind of pie? Interviewer: Yeah, it's it's uh, you ever hear it called a 342: Cobbler pie Interviewer: Okay, uh 342: whenever you do that but I I mean {X} top and a bottom to it and boil the fruit #1 I mean {Int overlap} # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: bake it with juice in it where it comes out and Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: Nothing better Interviewer: boy that's right 342: {NW} Interviewer: What about a sweet liquid that you might serve with pudding that you might put on it 342: Sauce Interviewer: Okay uh and in the morning you have a cup of what to get the day started 342: coffee Interviewer: if you were getting ready fix or to make coffee would you say I'm going to make some coffee or fix coffee or how would you say cook it boil it what? 342: I'm going to make coffee Interviewer: okay 342: I would Interviewer: and if somebody were thirsty he might ask for a what 342: a drink Interviewer: uh, of what? 342: a water Interviewer: okay, and if it was not in a cup it might be in a you didn't give 342: glass Interviewer: okay uh {NS} let's see, the uh something you might say to a guest at your table what would you 342: help yourself Interviewer: kay. and uh if somebody passes you some food 342: have some Interviewer: #1 okay if somebody passes you some food and you don't want any you'd say # 342: #2 {NW} # No thank you Interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: W- what 342: #1 I don't # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: care for any Interviewer: right, what about food that's uh been cooked earlier in the day and not eaten up in a meal and you maybe uh heat it up again and use it for another meal 342: warm it over Interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: and you might say that meat was so tough I could hardly 342: chew it Interviewer: okay what is mush? 342: well it's uh meal and water or milk Interviewer: milk okay 342: cooked together or put together Interviewer: uh {NS} let's see what about corn that's been soaked in lye that's about oh so big around? 342: hominy Interviewer: Mm-kay what do you throw at a Wedding? 342: rice Interviewer: okay that's the only way I've ever figured out to get rice I you can if you try to there's no way you can describe rice to anybody #1 without saying it # 342: #2 no # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # no {NS} Interviewer: #1 Any terms you've ever heard around here for cheap whiskey or homemade whiskey? # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # uh well uh hmm {NS} the old saying about rot gut #1 you know you've heard # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: that Interviewer: #1 pretty descriptive # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: if you had a very sweet smelling flower and wanted to share it with someone you might say here just of that 342: smell of that Interviewer: uh you remember when they used to make molasses with the old uh 342: oh boy Interviewer: #1 the old # 342: #2 I've # seen molasses made #1 quite a bit # Interviewer: #2 {X} # #1 did they use the # 342: #2 that- # Interviewer: #1 mill that the horse # 342: #2 the big # #1 mill with the horse # Interviewer: #2 the mule would turn # 342: #1 going around # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: {NS} in fact over at um uh horse {D: pens} forty the last time we were over there they had a big uh sorghum mill #1 going # Interviewer: #2 did they really? # I-I don't never seen one 342: and they had uh they had the sorghum cane right there and they were selling the cane you could buy the cane or but they had the the old poor mule was just going #1 round and round and round # Interviewer: #2 round in circles yeah # 342: course the pans and the boiling and cooking and #1 stirring you know and # Interviewer: #2 that's mighty # fun stuff 342: and uh they were selling it and uh over there and this uh they just had stacks and stacks of sorghum cane Interviewer: mm 342: you know and uh I told them I said well the only thing I want with that sorghum cane is to eat it Interviewer: that's right I can remember I stopped and bought at a farmer's market some sorghum cane just for the kids because I knew they'd never #1 ever seen anything like it before # 342: #2 get a chance to no # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: I stopped and got them some what about a uh something like molasses or sorghum that's made from uh maple 342: syrup Interviewer: okay uh the opposite, something that's not artificial is what? you'd say that's not imitation leather that's what gen- 342: genuine Interviewer: mm-kay Something that's sold in large quantities is sold in sugar is sold in, you ever hear the term #1 bulk # 342: #2 bulk # Interviewer: okay 342: yes Interviewer: and uh you might out of say grapes and uh peaches and things you might make either some preserves or some jam or some #1 what # 342: #2 jelly # Interviewer: mm-kay and the black stuff and white stuff that you sprinkle on your food to season it 342: salt and pepper Interviewer: Okay uh let's see what about the center part of the cherry the little hard part what's that called? 342: well it's a cherry seed Interviewer: #1 Okay, what about a # 342: #2 uh # well and they call it the if it's a peach seed Interviewer: #1 sometimes the call it a cherry pit or a # 342: #2 pi- yeah # cherry pit is what I was fixing to say about that and {X} peach seed Interviewer: mm-kay what about the peach that has the seed that's real tight in the center that's hard to get out what's that called 342: uh now wait a minute that's a clear seed no a clear seed is where the peach comes off Interviewer: right 342: and then the other one is uh hmm Interviewer: some people call them a plum 342: plums yeah plum peaches won't come off #1 I mean they'll # Interviewer: #2 that's right # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: that's what you make pickle out of Interviewer: yeah, right now I just learned that about two weeks ago at one {342 overlap} #1 these interviews I # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 What about the uh core the the inside center of an apple that you throw away # 342: #2 {NW} # yes the apple core Interviewer: okay uh what about the type of nut that grows in a garden that people will uh you buy at a circus or something 342: peanuts Interviewer: okay, you ever hear them called anything else? 342: goobers Interviewer: okay what is it that grows on the trees a nut that grows on a tree and it used to be in a I mean it starts off in a thing about that 342: walnut Interviewer: a what? 342: walnut Interviewer: right and it'll stain your hand 342: you're right Interviewer: and 342: black green and yellow Interviewer: yeah if you get that soft green part is called the what? 342: mm- the hull Interviewer: okay and then if you get that off you've still got the what? 342: you've still got the uh shell Interviewer: okay what other kind of nuts are grown around 342: well pecans and hickory nuts {NS} Interviewer: what is the kind of fruit that they grow in Florida that you make juice that you drink in the morning 342: oranges grapefruit Interviewer: what about a little vegetable that looks like a small turnip except it's red? 342: beet Interviewer: uh, smaller than that red and white 342: radish Interviewer: mm-kay 342: My husband loves them Interviewer: #1 Does he really? I was just gonna say I don't really care for them too much. . What- # 342: #2 {NW} oo. Yeah, he sits # down to a meal for I- I buy the radishes buy those great big little boxes {NS} he thinks he has to have three four radishes every time he sits down for a lunch or dinner #1 at night or # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 supper # Interviewer: #2 {D: on the hot side for me} # 342: yeah Interviewer: what about the here I have trouble describing this something that you slice up and put in a salad or a hamburger or a- it's red 342: Onion Interviewer: okay or a red one that uh is real juicy a fr- a fr- I don't know if it's a fruit or vegetable 342: tomato Interviewer: okay #1 vegetable isn't it yeah # 342: #2 ye- # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # No it's a fruit Interviewer: is it? yeah okay 342: tomato is a fruit #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I have never, I'll think of it # uh what kind of potatoes to people grow around here in the garden 342: Irish potatoes and sweet potatoes but people call them yams Interviewer: Okay #1 that's the same thing as a sweet potato # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: what about a a long green kind of thing #1 something like # 342: #2 pepper # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: no it's uh, something like well 342: cucumbers Interviewer: No its a you you can either stew it or fry it you can cut it up and 342: okra Interviewer: okay uh if you take an apple or something and put it in the window where the sun shines on it the skin will get all 342: swiveled Interviewer: okay uh with green beans, what do you have to used to I guess you still do but 342: crack them Interviewer: right and #1 string # 342: #2 snap them # Interviewer: {X} 342: or string them and snap them is #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 right # uh what about uh have you ever heard the term leather britches for dried beans? hung up and dried 342: mm well no for green beans I I don't Interviewer: what other kind of beans do they grow in a garden around here maybe besides green beans? 342: well they grow butter beans and butter peas and #1 black eyed # Interviewer: #2 what's the difference # Now I've never heard of a butter pea 342: you haven't? Interviewer: Is it just a green pea, like a 342: and English peas Interviewer: is it like an English #1 a butter pea? # 342: #2 no it's # uh very much like um a butter bean I mean a lima bean only it's uh a rounder and it's a white Interviewer: oh yeah 342: it's uh is very much like the old fashioned white beans #1 you you know {int overlap} # Interviewer: #2 yes # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: but it's it's it has a much more delicious flavor than a white #1 bean # Interviewer: #2 well I know exactly what # what you're talking about I've eaten them but I just thought they were unusual white beans 342: No #1 uh there little # Interviewer: #2 butter beans # 342: butter peas that's what they're called Interviewer: what kind of vegetables come in heads 342: cabbages and lettuce Interviewer: Okay uh what is it that on an ear of corn that you have to strip off before you can cook it? {X} 342: kernels Interviewer: no the green leafy stuff 342: oh shucks #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 okay and # what about corn that's served on the cob do you hear that referred to a sweet corn or {D: roving ears} or anything like that? 342: well uh yes but uh corn on the cob can be most any kind of corn far as that but uh most people prefer sweet corn when they're eating it but when you're gonna cook it that way but um and then uh of course roasting ears there's been a term that I've heard all my life for is corn period Interviewer: alright {NS} what about on the corn stalk the little thing that kind of waves in 342: tassel Interviewer: okay and what is it that kids no, on a corn ear of corn the string stuff that you try to get out 342: silks Interviewer: okay 342: have to silk the corn Interviewer: #1 right, you can never get it all out though no matter how hard you # 342: #2 no # #1 I don't # Interviewer: #2 try # 342: care how hard you try Interviewer: what about the big y- yellow or big orange thing that kids make a jack o lantern out of? 342: pumpkin Interviewer: okay and similar thing except it's yellow and you cook it and eat it 342: squash Interviewer: okay uh, what kind of melons are most common around here? 342: watermelon Interviewer: okay 342: cantaloupes Interviewer: okay, any mush melons? 342: mush Interviewer: #1 mush melons and {X} melons # 342: #2 well there's # very little difference I think in mush melon and cantaloupe Interviewer: well I've never #1 been quite sure of the difference myself # 342: #2 they're # Interviewer: #1 {NS} # 342: #2 # uh I don't know exactly the what the difference is I know of course they they call most of them uh a mush melon uh, usually is what uncle Joey used to say was that they were a little thinner skinned and they were #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 are they # smoother skinned? 342: uh smoother skinned than a uh cantaloupe they're not like a honeydew melon they're not you know a honeydew is real smooth Interviewer: yeah and it's almost #1 white # 342: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # but uh a mush melon uh has a well a mush melon really if uh uh the one's that I know about they've had a much sweeter flavor {NS} to the Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: but I like cantaloupe Interviewer: I do too what about uh uh the little things that grow that look like little umbrellas or something you make a steak sauce out of them you know or you could say a steak smothered in what? 342: onions Interviewer: or or uh you ever hear um uh mushroom 342: mushrooms oh yes Interviewer: and a poisonous mushroom or something that looks like a mushroom that's poison is a what? 342: toadstool Interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 uh # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: somebody might say well his throat was sore he could chew the meat but he couldn't 342: swallow Interviewer: okay uh what kind of owls do you have around here 342: hoo owls Interviewer: uh they're the big ones 342: #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 aren't they # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: {NS} I'll bet you did #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 oh # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # what about the kind of a bird that pecks holes in a tree? 342: wood pecker Interviewer: okay and a s- black and white striped animal that smells very bad 342: mm polecat Interviewer: do you know that one of those things I don't know how wandered right into the main buildings at Florence State University the other day, nobody knows where he came from but right in the heart of downtown Florence uh a wild skunk walked in and everybody was running #1 for the hills # 342: #2 {NW} I don't # blame them Interviewer: broad daylight and the newspaper photographer was there trying to get a picture of it everybody 342: {NW} Interviewer: what kind of, what is a varmint {NS} {NS} 342: well, let me see what what I call a varmint Interviewer: I mean would it be an insect or a #1 mouse or a # 342: #2 no it's an animal # Interviewer: #1 okay # 342: #2 # but I would I would say that rats or #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: well chipmunk is not a varmint Interviewer: okay 342: #1 and uh # Interviewer: #2 what about a squirrel # 342: squirrel is not a varmint I don't think Interviewer: okay, what kind of squirrels do you have around here mostly the 342: gray squirrels mm-hmm Interviewer: what about uh big frogs that you hear at night? 342: toads Interviewer: #1 The th- th- big deep voice # 342: #2 I mean the the # uh bull frogs Interviewer: yeah and the little tiny ones, you ever hear them called anything 342: tree frogs Interviewer: right that's just what I was gonna say that's I'd heard them called what do what kind of worm do most people use to fish with? 342: mm- earthworms Interviewer: okay and if you're fishing and uh an animal with a shell might get your bait and hang on {NS} 342: turtle Interviewer: a-okay, what if he lives on land? Is he still called a turtle? 342: mm well, yes no he's he's called a uh Interviewer: some people call them gophers 342: go- uh- well Interviewer: or a terrapin or 342: terrapin #1 is # Interviewer: #2 Okay # 342: is the land turtles Interviewer: what about in a little creek? Little animals with pinchers that run backwards I mean not little animals fish and they they look like little miniature lobsters 342: they're uh uh now what am I trying to say? {NS} {NS} Interviewer: crawfish? 342: Crawfish? you mean is that what you #1 talking about # Interviewer: #2 Right. # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and uh 342: things that the little boys grab and run at girls #1 are all over the place with # Interviewer: #2 Yes. # #1 my wife teaches kindergarten she took one from a little boy just the other day it's funny you should mention that # 342: #2 oh my # stars above Interviewer: what about the things now the #1 that might # 342: #2 tad poles # Interviewer: #1 alright # 342: #2 I was # thinking about #1 them too I was # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: what I was trying to think of awhile ago when you said that and then the #1 crawfish # Interviewer: #2 they'll make yeah they make # frog 342: yeah Interviewer: what about the uh the kind of butterfly like bug when you're sitting outside at night and have a light on here come around #1 fly # 342: #2 moth # Interviewer: #1 okay you ever hear them called a camel fly or anything like that? {C: 342 overlap [oh yeah]} # 342: #2 oh yeah # the I think there's a difference between candle flies and moths Interviewer: hmm okay 342: uh for the simple reason that course candle flies are just they look like {NS} miniature butterflies {NS} but the a moth uh {NS} I have {NS} gotten moths that were big enough to go in a half gallon jar Interviewer: good grace that's right th- my wife showed me a #1 picture once of a I think she called a Luna moth or something that was # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 his wings must've been # 342: #2 we had a # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # we had a a screened in back porch {NS} at my home on {X} avenue which I still own over there {NS} uh {NS} one night my mother and I were sitting there in on the back porch course we didn't have air conditioning Interviewer: #1 or # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # machine there and I was embroidering and I happened to look up on the screen and there was the most beautiful moth I think I ever saw in my life {NS} and that thing was {NS} every bit and I wouldn't be exaggerating well he was so big that I went out and caught him he was just stuck right up on that screen and I caught him and put him in a half gallon fruit jar Interviewer: my gosh 342: and uh his wings were so big that I took him out immediately because I saw he's gonna #1 ruin his wings # Interviewer: #2 yeah right # 342: o let him fly of course they say you know a lot of times I've often heard that if that uh pollen or the dust or whatever is on their wings you know something or another. If it loses off that they can't fly Interviewer: I've heard that too 342: and I I got him out but I took him and put him in this great big half gallon fruit jar and he was almost as long and well that was with his wings shut up you know of course when he opened he couldn't open them out Interviewer: my 342: but that was the prettiest thing I #1 one of the prettiest # Interviewer: #2 yeah they're beautiful # 342: sights that I ever saw and it was just a pale pale- #1 green # Interviewer: #2 green # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # right #1 had the real feathery kind of feelers on him yeah I've seen those # 342: #2 mm-hmm mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 {NS} # 342: #2 # Interviewer: what about the little bug that's tail flashes when it flies at night? 342: oh the the little firefly Interviewer: okay uh 342: lightning bug Interviewer: right, what about a a big bug that's got a body kind of like a pencil and clear wings, you ever hear them called a #1 snake doctor or? # 342: #2 yes # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 and they always believe # 342: #2 grow it on # Interviewer: #1 there's a snake around # 342: #2 snake # around when that they've got a long body but those little bitty #1 fine wings # Interviewer: #2 that's right # 342: out this way Interviewer: what about a bug that get on you if you're out there picking blackberries or in the grass or something and 342: oh chiggers Interviewer: right 342: yeah Interviewer: what about 342: red bugs #1 somebody call some of them {int overlap} # Interviewer: #2 red bugs, right # 342: call them you know red bugs Interviewer: what about a little flying animal that bites you m- 342: mosquito Interviewer: yes 342: {NW} Interviewer: now what about some stinging insects what are the different 342: ants Interviewer: no um flying insects that sting 342: oh uh {NS} hornets and uh uh wasp Interviewer: does uh the is a wasp sting worse than a hornet or 342: I think a wasp sting is just about one of the worst stings a yellow jacket doesn't sting much Interviewer: a dirt dauber doesn't sting 342: and a dirt dauber doesn't sting at all Interviewer: #1 now which # 342: #2 yellow jackets will # sting but uh a wasp will really Interviewer: Yeah. 342: as the old saying is sit down on you Interviewer: right which one is it that nests in the ground? {NS} 342: hmm one of those? Interviewer: yeah, isn't it one of them that which one which one is it that builds the big paper looking nest? {NS} 342: wasp do that those little sections in the thing it they- they build it up in the corners #1 you know and around and about and uh # Interviewer: #2 alright, alright # 342: {NS} Interviewer: #1 kind of like a honeycomb looking thing # 342: #2 but uh yeah # and a dirt dauber will get into things and and pack dirt of course you know around that's what they're called and Interviewer: yeah they get in your barn or something #1 yeah they won't sting you but they'll make you scare you to death they'll make you hurt yourself. Listen I it's getting late and I # 342: #2 yeah they'll make you hurt yourself they- # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 342: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NS} # 342: #2 # {X} {NS} Interviewer: Well, I wonder where I left it 342: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: uh #1 there is one # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: now #1 past the end I guess it's # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: been in their house for about thirty five years and she she she knows her notes but she never learned to play and to put anything together {NS} but uh I used to play for the church and I play the organ some and I I uh Interviewer: you used to play for the church? 342: yes Interviewer: #1 well you're a regular pro then # 342: #2 {NW} # yeah I played for the church for many years #1 and, oh yes it was uh # Interviewer: #2 so tell me did your trip to Oak Ridge was it all right I mean considering # 342: considering what we went for of course but uh the uh uh weather was when we left there it rained all day long on Interviewer: #1 came pretty much to the rain right after I left here # 342: #2 oh # #1 Yes it certainly did I # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: thought about you where were you when that #1 came # Interviewer: #2 just the other # side of Athens and uh it kind of scared me and uh it kind of scared me #1 because the wind was really bad and I couldn't get a radio station on the radio to find out if I was in a tornado # 342: #2 oh it blew # well that's right well uh {NS} there were no the wind was not bad but it rained {X} on uh let's see we left here you were here Tuesday we left Wednesday morning and Wednesday night uh we were supposed to leave the house and go to the funeral home course the family you know to be there {NS} at a certain time and I want you to know just about an hour before we were supposed to leave I thought it was gonna take the roof off the house along with everything else you couldn't see you couldn't see from here to that tree it was just a solid sheet of rain thundering and lightning storming Interviewer: yeah 342: and it uh let up so it was still I mean it still sprinkled rain and it was still raining when we came out of the funeral home and it rained more or less all night and then the next day it rained right on up through the funeral but not I was thankful that it did let up enough you know that we could get to the uh graveside #1 without # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 342: being having to but you had to wade water practically to #1 get there # Interviewer: #2 well I bet you did # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: and it was it was a mess and then when we left there we left shortly after as I told you I didn't know what time we'd come back whether we'd come back earlier that afternoon and but since my sister in law had broken her arm and we were kinda anxious to get back see about her and uh we left uh well we ate lunch you know usually a place like that now they have some much food stuff and everything and they insisted that we stay and eat lunch and help them eat up part of it you know and our two sons had come one of the ones from Birmingham one from Cartersville had both come over there and they had left they had to get back to their jobs so {NW} they ate however before they left and then we took off and it was real funny just as we were leaving Oak Ridge another one of those horrible rain storms hit and we came through and Claude thought he was gonna have to drive off and stop Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: there for a few minutes and uh but fortunately it finally did let up but the the windshield wipers were doing no good whatsoever #1 you know # Interviewer: #2 now that's the way it was # #1 the other night I finally pulled over # 342: #2 yeah I thought about # you and I told Claude I said Lord I hope that boy didn't get caught in that #1 rain I tell you # Interviewer: #2 {NW} well it was # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # it was {X} 342: and it just hit #1 so suddenly # Interviewer: #2 I know it # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # I know 342: you know I wasn't even thinking about it raining when you left here Interviewer: I was driving along the road and all of the sudden I thought gravels or something were hitting the car it was big drops of rain 342: oh I know Interviewer: and then the wind was blowing so hard that the rain was coming #1 across in front of the car this way and I can say the windshield wipers weren't doing anything to help {C: 342 overlap} # 342: #2 yeah just in sheets you just didn't do any good # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 but I had gotten # 342: #2 but it was # Interviewer: to that uh that park the other side of Athens where they've got a place that you can 342: #1 yeah pull into # Interviewer: #2 pull into and I just # pulled in there and sat for a few minutes and it let up 342: let up well uh it let up uh right after we left got out of it at Oak Ridge and then before we got home the sun was shining {NS} this weather has really been something that I tell you these tornadoes they've been Interviewer: what about that what'd we got sixteen in Alabama 342: yes sixteen of them and uh Jimmy our you- uh oldest boy called us from Birmingham uh Sunday night was it Sunday that all of them hit? #1 yeah late s- # Interviewer: #2 I believe it was # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: and uh Sunday night where we had uh you know it had been so terrible here it had been it had rained constantly all day long and then it let up late in the afternoon you know but it a- a- th- clouds would gather you know and they look clear like it's gonna clear up and then all of a sudden you know it would start over again and uh we drove out then I had uh prepared some food for my sister in law because uh her husband cooked which you know this right hand broken and all so I thought I told my husband I said well I'll fix her some uh because {D: Borris} just looks for his sweets he's got to have a little something sweet Interviewer: yeah 342: so I made some banana bread and I did that's one thing then too after I got home from church and had prepared this stuff to take out there and uh we first called them and told them we didn't know whether we were gonna get out there or not cuz it just looked so bad we just rather be at home you know but then it cleared up a little bit and we went on out there and stayed for a few minutes and we got back and Jimmy called us then and his uh uh his wife's grandmother uh she was ninety one years old and she had been seriously ill in fact he said that at the funeral the other day when he got back to Birmingham she may have passed on you know but uh anyway when uh he called and he says mother are y'all all right? {NS} and I said what do you mean are we all right? and he said are you all still in one piece up there and I said yes we are why honey? and he said #1 well {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: {D: he said well I didn't know if y'all are alright or not} and like that and I said why what in the world's happening he said well started pouring out here in {D: Terrence} city and they tell me that there's pieces of of mobile homes hanging up in the l- wires everything else out of {D: Terrence} city and they're digging people out they don't know how many's hurt how many's been killed Interviewer: yeah 342: and uh he said that he knew that it struck in {D: Bessemer} but he didn't think that it did much damage over in {D: Bessemer} they don't live {D: Bessemer} they live out {X} Interviewer: yeah 342: a new section you know off of that {NS} area out there {NS} course he had called to tell us that Miss Singleton had passed away that morning but he said I wanted tell you about that too and he said it didn't even hit down there that it had not rained until about five oh clock Interviewer: well I'll be 342: and said then all of a sudden the bottom dropped out Interviewer: oh we've had the craziest weather I just don't know #1 this last year has been just unbelievable # 342: #2 {NW} I don't know it really has # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # before we start this business uh Helen Moore the one who volunteered me you know the one who told #1 you # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: uh she a- wanted to know if you needed any other volunteers up here {NS} Interviewer: I'll have to check and see 342: #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 uh # 342: #1 the reason she # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 342: asked she uh she says {NW} she's course she's nuts #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: but she uh asked me she says she lives out here in the country out close to {D: Raleigh} Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: you know out going out seventy-two Interviewer: right {NS} 342: and uh she said you needed a black person out there that she was pretty sure that this woman was a native uh of around here and said that uh she says Elizabeth I'm telling you she used terms uses terms that I've never heard of before she said now if he wants to get somebody like {NW} Interviewer: I'll have to check when I get home I've got a I've got my black interview for this area but it was not a very good one and uh 342: well she said to call her and let her know and she would run down there and find out about her Interviewer: oh okay do you have her number can I just #1 call her from the {D: land line?} # 342: #2 yeah you can call her # well you can call her here if you want to or oh you mean call her after you get home Interviewer: yeah I don't mean right now no I just I'll have to check my records 342: #1 and and see what you've got well she said that # Interviewer: #2 yeah and then I'll just write her and tell the library # 342: she was one that she was pretty sure you know you stated that you want- wanted one uh not educated or through the eighth grade you know {X} and not up to that even that standard if possible and she says I'm pretty sure that she hasn't gone up there but says I tell you she uses terms that I've never heard of Interviewer: uh and this lady's name is what? 342: it's uh Missus uh Vinny Moore is what her name is is Helen Moore if you call at the library she'll Interviewer: Okay 342: #1 and she's in the extension # Interviewer: #2 well I have # 342: department of course if you call the library and ask for Ms. Moore she's there Interviewer: I'll have to check when I get home and see but uh yeah this is this is the kind of thing that I like is to find somebody who lives #1 in the area who knows you know {C: 342 overlap} # 342: #2 well # uh she thinks that uh I mean she said that she would be glad to run down and check and see but she says I'm almost positive she was born around here and I told uh uh Helen also that uh the old negro that works for me but you couldn't understand half she says honestly I get tickled uh she tries to get words you know that she's heard people use and she'll use those things and I have to stop and think about what she's trying to say and what she's trying to tell me about something bless her heart she's the best old thing in the world but she can't get her words straightened out Interviewer: that's the way with ours that works for us is that way I have to ask her two or three times what she's said 342: well that's right {NS} she's the best thing she- she's a typical old darkie Interviewer: yeah 342: and she's up in her seventies but she is and the best thing uh she was down here in this flood when they had this flooded area you know uh she was back in butler terrace back there right and she was right on the creek Interviewer: {X} 342: down there and I have not seen her or heard from her and I- I'd been down there three four times and she wasn't at home Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and I tried to get her daughter and I couldn't get ahold of {D: Bernise} so uh the other morning I told Claude to I just have her come and iron for me just every so often just to give her something to do you know and pay her some money she's independent as she can be {NS} she don't want a hat she don't want to accept help from anybody if she can if she can and she used to walk from way over on this side of town clear over on my side of town and she takes those and she walks she'll walk from here to chase she's like that she doesn't do it anymore because I I just got into the middle of it so to speak I just told her I said Belle you're getting too old and there's too much meanness going on and I said now you gonna have to stop that foolishness well Miss Elizabeth I'm not scared but she's since she had to move from where she was she has gotten afraid down in this area but the welfare they took her house and just tore it down Interviewer: My {X} 342: and uh you know saying they were gonna build well they are tearing down they tore down everything around there bless her heart she got out had a garden you know and did this that and the other and they told her that the only place she wouldn't go live with any of her children Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and the only place they had for her was down there in this Butler terrace Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and the first night she was down there this the woman across the street from her shot another one right #1 there {NW} it was a {NW} so # Interviewer: #2 my goodness what a what a christening {X} # 342: honestly uh so I told her I said now so she says well uh I told her I hadn't forgotten about her uh her methods of doing things and what one of the cutest things though I think she does she has gotten to of these life size dolls Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: she goes out takes them out the garbage cans and dresses them up you know she'll find things that people throw away and she has a house full of dolls Interviewer: well I'll 342: but she has these two little life size negro dolls and she's gotten to where when she leaves the house she'll go in and uh put those dolls up in the window like they're looking out the window she says that folks think there's somebody there because they see the they they well honestly when you're away from the window it looks does look like children you know looking out the window so she just puts those dolls up in her window Interviewer: well you know they sell or used to sell inflatable life size men 342: men Interviewer: #1 that the woman if she had to drive at night could put it in the car and it'd look like a man riding # 342: #2 had to drive that's right # yes you see them advertised in these little magazines you know sunset magazine and handover house and all that they'll uh {NS} well it it {NS} might not be a #1 bad idea # Interviewer: #2 No I can # I can see that it would be in some areas especially it would be a good idea 342: because as I said it's gotten to the point where uh well it's just unsafe for anybody to drive really {NS} I tell you Interviewer: you never know what's gonna happen 342: but she is but anyway speaking of the flood so I finally did uh Claude went down there three different times the other morning to tell her to come by and iron for me so we went real early you know and uh she wasn't there {NS} finally he left the message uh one her grandsons uh happened to be over there the third time he went {NS} and she wasn't there so he told uh uh him to tell Belle to call me {NS} well she did and I said where in the world have you been aw Mrs. Elizabeth I just been running around I said yes I know you's just been running around {NS} I know exactly what you been doing and uh I said well I wanted to know if you I thought maybe you'd gotten washed away {NS} she says no but I got scared to death Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 342: #2 {NW} # {X} I imagine you did Interviewer: {X} 342: and she laughed and she said she says you know she said I heard all this hollering and carrying on and this loud talking and said I got up and I ran to the window and I looked out and said the water was all over my front yard {NS} and said they was telling everybody to get out of the houses get out of the houses and it came up so suddenly {NS} so she said that when she got out and stepped out into the street that the water was way up around here but fortunately their s- doorstep is up {NS} #1 on a it's just a # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: step up good from the sidewalk you know but she said by the time it got to her house it never did get up on in the in the house {NS} because she has another step up to ha- the has to come up into that #1 but it # Interviewer: #2 that's # 342: got over the floor over the front porch {NS} but she walked out and of course {X} night in the dark you know and she says I got me a stick Mrs. Elizabeth and I was measuring the water and I said when it got up to a certain place I was gonna get out of there so she did and she started up the street and one of her neighbors uh {NW} she had {NW} who had a son and saw Belle coming up the street and she recognized her and she says you go get her right quick and don't let her fall {NS} so he did and got her in there {NS} well she was already wet it was just pouring down rain she said and said she didn't take a thing to put over her nothing I said Belle you're old enough to know better than that Interviewer: goodness 342: and I said as much stuff as you got I bet she has fifty old rain coats #1 you know every kind # Interviewer: #2 {NW} yeah # 342: keeps everything under the shining sun {NS} then she got they carried her to the red cross and they carried her over to the school and one of the ladies was trying to give out the food over there she's always been a real good cook and real good in serving tables and so forth and she {NS} so she recognized her and she put her to work in those wet clothes and all but she says I was running around so Mrs. Elizabeth I #1 soon got dry {C: int overlap} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} 342: so then uh she picked her up and carried her out to the red cross uh headquarters out on Andrew Jackson Way Interviewer: Mm-hmm 342: and she worked out there 'til eight oh clock that night helping them do things Interviewer: well I'll bet she's seventy 342: and she's se- she's up in her seventies she is around here Interviewer: she really had an adventure out of #1 the whole thing # 342: #2 Yes she did! # she really did and she says I didn't take a bad cold for two weeks I said you didn't take the bad cold from that then Interviewer: that's right if she didn't catch 342: I said if you didn't take a bad cold from that for two weeks I said you certainly didn't catch it from that so she said well maybe I didn't but I had a bad cold she very seldom and and makes up some of the awfulest concoctions of of medicine you have ever heard in your life Interviewer: I'm known to do that 342: you know she's one of these old fashioned kind and she won't go to a doctor she will not go to a doctor she'll make mix up a little of everything under the shining sun alcohol and soda and she'll put in everything in the world to mix up a concoction in {X} tell her what don't kill her will cure her or what don't cure her kill {X} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {X} might attack the disease there # 342: that's right {NW} well {NW} Interviewer: Let me see what we were doing, I think last time we were talking about insects like uh dirt daubers and mosquitoes and #1 hornets and {X} # 342: #2 yes we did talk about that some # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: what about uh an insect that has big hind legs and is green and kind of pops and flies 342: grasshopper Interviewer: #1 okay, and uh # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 what kind of you were a # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: kid did you ever get one in a jar and try to make him spit tobacco? or do something that I've never seen one do it but they claim that grasshoppers 342: yes I've heard that but I never did do that now my boys I think they finally did manage to get one to do that one time Interviewer: what kind of small fish is it that's for fish bait buy a bucket of what to take fishing 342: worm uh you Interviewer: well this is a small fish 342: oh crawfish? Interviewer: mm-kay sometimes or- or- or maybe just some like minnows 342: minnows yeah minnows of course little bitty fish sure enough Interviewer: #1 yeah # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: what about uh what it that a spider weaves in the house 342: web Interviewer: okay 342: now I say this talking about spider webs uh you have heard of Mrs. uh uh well {NW} her name just left me anyway her uh spider a- web paintings Interviewer: #1 I've heard something # 342: #2 mrs # {D: Clopton} Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: what I was trying to say uh my mother and mrs {D: Clopton were very} very dear friends and uh her if you ever get the chance see mrs Clopton's spider web Interviewer: #1 paintings # 342: #2 {X} what are they exactly # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # #1 that's what they are # Interviewer: #2 they're # they're paintings of 342: #1 paintings # Interviewer: #2 of # 342: on spider webs Interviewer: yes I can't remember where {NS} where in the world I might have seen them I've either seen them or seen pictures of them 342: and the funny thing uh {NS} I had her one time to speak I was president of the P-T-A and uh I had her come and talk to the {NS} ladies uh we had a were supposed to have a hobby program you know and I ask her if she would come and speak to the ladies she was a teacher for many many many many years Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and she said why Elizabeth I'd be happy to well she came and she was the type of person that would never throw away anything Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: she always could use everything under the sun and she only had one eye in later years but when she was a little girl she read uh lived in the country and uh she read where this uh German had painted on spider webs so she was an artist in her own right and being I mean a little girl but she #1 could # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: paint {NS} painted beautifully {NS} so she found out how I mean read about how he did it Interviewer: how in the world do you paint on a 342: {X} so she goes out to the barn and she gets her a spider web now how in the world a child uh- being a child that she was {NS} but the kind of webs that she used were webs from these little brown house spiders or barn spiders and if you ever get up to one that has been gone over and over and over they weave over and over and over and over Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and when they do she got this thing off on a piece of cardboard the between in in a cardboard somehow or another {NS} she takes her paints oil paint {NS} and you can't take a brush Interviewer: #1 you're right # 342: #2 I mean # you just have to uh I- you can't smear the paint you know that way but you have to dot it and you dot those things but she has she has a painting the old spring the old picture Interviewer: #1 just # 342: #2 of the # #1 spring # Interviewer: #2 hundreds of little # dots 342: oh yes with all that together she went puts it together Interviewer: {NW} {NW} well ha- then is it framed or can you 342: #1 yes you can # Interviewer: #2 framed or # 342: see well what I was going to tell you {NS} you know back in those days of course uh she would now be in her nineties but back in those days of course when the uh s- traveling salesmen were traveling through the country you know and they'd stop at a farm house at night and ask for lodging so this salesmen stopped at the house that one night and uh after she had completed her painting and the mother was quite proud of it of course so she brought it out to show it to the salesman and he she told him that it was on cobweb and he didn't believe it and he poked his finger through it {NS} Interviewer: golly 342: and that was the beginning of her cobweb painting but uh she has uh a room up here I mean in- there's mostly a {D: Howard Wheaton} there's a a room I think but there're a great number of mrs Clopton's paintings at the museum on the mountain Interviewer: hmm 342: so if you ever get the chance Interviewer: I 342: be sure and see it you can look through the glass she puts them in glass or puts it on glass and of course when you look through you can see it but that glass holds the uh spider web she's been on she was nationally known Interviewer: I've read about those somewhere and seen pictures of them I don't think I've ever seen one in 342: but uh uh the biggest one that she ever did uh was uh you've seen this great big uh magazine uh page with four roses the big vase of four roses liquor Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: you know and she painted she the biggest n- uh web that she ever was able to get a hold of she painted that picture of the four roses on that but she has miniatures of every one of her grand children Interviewer: {X} 342: and cobwebs and then she'd take uh everything as I said she always said that she wouldn't chew chewing gum except for a purpose {NS} and uh she used it she had uh oh out of the hundreds students that she taught through the years and many of them went to the wars and traveled around over the world and around about and when she was living she had one room in her house that was a regular museum of things that had been sent to her Interviewer: well I'll be 342: and she would take a duck egg I mean she'd I mean a goose egg she got a goose egg she w- had that that afternoon at uh {NS} to illustrate some of her things {NS} and she'd take this goose egg and of course it was large and long you know and she blew it out and then she takes a real sharp knife and she draws a place where she's got to cut to make it halfway cuts that thing right square in two she lined it in blue satin both bottom and top and put a little bit of braid right around the edge of the things you know the bottom and top she used the adhesive tape to make the little hinges on the back of it then she used cold {D: clothes} to make the legs and she uh put gold paint on those she used the chewing gum to stick those on Interviewer: well I'll 342: and made the cutest little jewelry box out of a {X} Interviewer: that's remarkable 342: and she takes uh uh- she would she's passed away now but she would take the uh English walnut hulls Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and take the goodies out and uh then she would shellac them and make uh glue them back together and make salt and pepper shakers and #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 that's well she was really something now that's # that that little kind of stuff is always 342: that's right she was the most remarkable person you would ever want to meet and I wish you could have known her Interviewer: her name was Clopton 342: mrs Clopton mrs J-B Clopton Interviewer: well I'll have to check on that have you ever heard of any medicines that uh people used to make out different kind of uh plants and roots and that kind of thing 342: oh yes I've heard of a good many things uh oh aw {X} try to remember some of them {NW} uh there are any number of things and course dyes from the uh uh {NS} {X} trying to say the bush uh that we get salad from poke salad those poke berries Interviewer: mm-hmm mm-hmm 342: used to make dye out of those red berries and I think they used to make dye out of those in olden times a- also but there are any number of medicines uh that I heard of of course and but just off hand I can't think of any right now Interviewer: okay, what about uh the kind of tree that they up north they tap and get s- sap out of to make syrup 342: maple Interviewer: what kind of tree was it in the Bible that Zacchaeus climbed? I think they have them around here grow near water they have a little {D: bunches} little balls or something that hang down on them 342: oh my goodness I read that a hundred times Interviewer: kind of a sycamore- 342: sycamore tree Interviewer: okay 342: yeah {NW} Interviewer: #1 what are some other common trees around here what kind of trees do you have in the yard # 342: #2 {NS} # well we have maple trees and pine trees and uh walnut trees and pecan trees and Interviewer: you ever had do you have some pretty good uh crops of pecans off of them? 342: well we don't have them here uh I mean I don't have any pecan #1 trees # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 342: over here but the way I was reared over on Pratt Avenue uh I used to live in a big pecan grove Interviewer: {NW} 342: and uh the big old pecan trees that uh the pecans were medium size they were not these big paper shell pecans but they were much sweeter meated pecans I reckon that's what you'd say the meats were so much juicier and uh had so much more oil in them {NS} but gracious goodness uh we used to look forward to the pecans {NS} falling and and in the mornings {NW} after a big rain the storm you know where you'd just get out and {NS} I picked up pecans 'til I couldn't even raise up Interviewer: Yeah I know there are a couple of Pecan trees over at the college and uh every year you'll #1 see uh # 342: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: people over there shaking them 342: #1 oh they # Interviewer: #2 hitting them # 342: do well we have some pecan trees up around you would've died at me last year uh Mr. Watson we were all sitting up in the lounge and those pecan trees and we'd had a real bad rain storm and I had been telling them that as soon as it rained that the pecans would come down and they said oh Mrs. Heron these pecans are just not gonna fall this year I said well you wait for the wind blows and it rained I said they'll come down now we've had frost and that morning I'm telling you I have never oh we knew those pecans trees were full Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: and it was small but they were the best tasting little old things and you just look out round where you pull into the library and people running over them just running over them just mashing them all to the street and everything and I was up there and I told mr Washington I said mr Washington if I go halfers with you will you let me go down to pick up {NW} Interviewer: oh me 342: he says Mrs. Heron if you want to get out in that rain you can do it you can just go right ahead Interviewer: well I'll so you #1 you got a # 342: #2 and # so I got out and I got near ten pounds of pecans Interviewer: {NW} now that's a bunch of pecans especially the small ones 342: I certainly did I we weighed them and I had almost ten pounds of pecans Interviewer: {NW} 342: and so I told him he says what're you gonna pick them out for me I said no I'm not gonna if you can't Interviewer: #1 {NW} yeah # 342: #2 {NW} {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: what the uh- are there any fruit trees 342: oh we have peach trees and plum trees and apple trees and uh Interviewer: have any cherry trees? 342: cherry they're quite a number uh we never did have any cherries in our part of it but uh I had an uncle who had cherry trees galore Interviewer: what kind of berries do people grow around here 342: well uh I think the most prominent one of course is the black berry the strawberries but the black berries are wild Interviewer: yeah 342: and I think we're going to have a crop of them this year I certainly hope so Interviewer: here if a child had been eating some berries uh eating some berries and you didn't or had some berries you didn't know what they were because they might be what? 342: well they might be full of bugs and they might be poisonous Interviewer: okay have you ever heard uh you don't have any mountain laurel or anything around here do you? 342: very little there's very very little there's some mountain laurel but uh most of your mountain laurel will grow further south Interviewer: okay what about uh do you have magnolia? 342: yes Interviewer: okay #1 you ever hear it called anything else? # 342: #2 {NW} # no I don't think I have I've uh course here that's all we we speak of is magnolia trees Interviewer: what about cowcumber or cucumber is that a different kind of tree or have you heard 342: #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 cowcumber tree # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: I've never heard of a cowcumber tree I know the cucumbers grow on vines Interviewer: okay uh 342: but talking about magnolias uh when we were in the old library when people began to come into this section here so rapidly you know from all parts of the country and uh one morning uh one of the girls had been out we have some beautiful magnolia trees in the cemetery and she had been out there and she just pulled off a couple of the blooms and brought them in put them in a great big uh well it was a big brass pot that we had had there and we put it right in the middle of the library you know right where you went in the door and you could see in of course the uh fragrance of it all over the library you know we just something people began to come in you know and they would say what in the world is that Interviewer: yeah 342: you know and we'd say magnolias oh is that what we we always hear about #1 and they give # Interviewer: #2 yeah # 342: you those songs about that was all we could hear all day long Interviewer: that's right thats thats a true thing of the south 342: it really is Interviewer: let's see uh a woman who's husband is dead is called a what? 342: a widow Interviewer: okay what did you call your father? 342: daddy Interviewer: and your mother? 342: mother Interviewer: okay and your father and your mother together are referred to as your 342: parents Interviewer: okay did uh what did you call your grandfather? 342: well I didn't have a grandfather but I would've called him grandfather had I had one Interviewer: okay, what about a grandmother? 342: well grandmother was I had one grandmother Interviewer: okay uh 342: my child called me Meemaw though my grand grand baby {NW} Interviewer: mine call uh call my wife's parents {D: Gagoo and Dadee} 342: {D: Gagoo and} {D: Dadee} Interviewer: yeah and then my 342: well I had a little Interviewer: {X} grand 342: yeah I had a little uh well she calls her other grandmother granny and uh papa but uh and then my children called my gran- my- my my mother and father uh mama and papa cause I said mother and daddy you know all the time and uh but she started and she she calls me Meemaw Interviewer: well she'll probably call you that right on #1 after she's {C: overlap} # 342: #2 that a # Interviewer: #1 grown # 342: #2 the that's # right Interviewer: what about uh the now I don't think they make these anymore but or I've never seen one in the last ten years they used to make a black vehicle that you put a baby in and it had a hood over it 342: baby buggy Interviewer: right I haven' seen one in a long time I think everyone uses #1 they used {C: int overlap} # 342: #2 they used # to use I mean in course some people called them a baby carriage you know and uh I had a big wicker baby buggy with my two Interviewer: yeah I've seen those I guess it's because people don't go out in the evenings and walk around the neighborhood 342: #1 well I imagine # Interviewer: #2 the way # 342: well a stroller of course now I like a little buggy for a little tiny babies because they can't sit up Interviewer: mm-hmm 342: but of course now they're making them where you can lay them down and Interviewer: #1 take off # 342: #2 yeah # you know and it doesn't make much difference to I like my big buggy #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # what about uh in the old days before women went to the hospital to have babies there might be a woman in the neighborhood who would come in to help with the childbirth 342: midwife Interviewer: okay and if a boy resembles his father you- would you say he takes after him or favors him looks like him or what? 342: I would say that favors his father Interviewer: what if he doesn't look like him particularly but he's got ways just like him {X} 342: then I would say takes after his #1 father # Interviewer: #2 okay # okay 342: {NW} Interviewer: uh you might say to a child you've been naughty you'd better look out you're going to get a 342: spanking Interviewer: and uh {NS} your sister's son would be your what? 342: nephew Interviewer: okay and a child who's parents are not living is a what? 342: an orphan Interviewer: okay and he would usually be assigned a what? 342: guardian Interviewer: okay and all your aunts and uncles and nieces and nephews all of these together you call your what? 342: uh well I'd say my kin people Interviewer: okay someone comes into town or a small town nobody's ever seen him before you'd say he's a what? 342: stranger Interviewer: okay you know some people use foreigner 342: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 he can be # from this country but he's if he comes from a different #1 part of the county something they'll say hes a foreigner # 342: #2 that's right # Interviewer: #1 # 342: #2 # Interviewer: uh an announcer begins his speech by saying ladies and 342: gentlemen Interviewer: okay uh two sisters in the bibles in the house sisters of Lazarus I believe both of their names begin with M 342: Mary and Martha Interviewer: okay 342: #1 We have a # Interviewer: #2 Ah # 342: daughter in law named Martha Interviewer: #1 oh well I # 342: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: should've known to ask that 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 what about what's the first # book of the new testament 342: first book of the new testament Matthew Interviewer: okay #1 I'm not gibing you a bible quiz it's just easier to get these more people in the south # 342: #2 that's alright # #1 I should know an awful lot of it # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 342: cause I I teach Sunday school but sometimes it sort of gets away #1 from you you know # Interviewer: #2 right # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # what is a nickname for William 342: Bill Interviewer: okay a little boy or a male goat would be called what? 342: a kid Interviewer: okay or a uh a little boy named William or a male goat is called a what kind of goat 342: billy goat Interviewer: okay 342: {D: Nellie home} Interviewer: okay good 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I- I've got to get those names there and I've racked my brain trying figure ways different ways to get the # 342: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 342: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # uh mm let's see do you ever hear what are any terms for a woman teacher do you ever hear anything like just teacher or school mom just 342: well I think about the only thing I w- course I've heard the the expression schoolmarm but I've never called them anything except a teacher Interviewer: okay have you ever hear the term Jack legged preacher 342: yes Interviewer: what does that mean 342: well I think it means a preacher who is not uh I mean a person who goes around and he's preaching but he really isn't qualified to preach but uh he may know what he's talking about in a lot of ways and and the uh Bible as he sees it