434: What was that now? Interviewer: That story about uh ms {B} 434: There was a kid coming to him one night, you saw they lived up there by themselves and one night you saw a light on. Yeah and he was up there at the house and I- I- was coming out from Shady Grove down there and I see the light up there late that night and I just went on up there to see what's the matter. {NS} And I got up there and he was sitting up and his niece was in the bed. I said- He said {B} I'm glad you come. Said Bobby's sick. I said he is? He said yeah Bobby's mighty sick. I said what did he eat? He said he ate a bowl of grits- griddle full of boiled eggs. I said what did you give him since he eat this stuff? Said I give him a half a box of epsom salt. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {X} Interviewer: Half a box of ep- #1 som # 434: #2 He said half a # box of epsom salt. And about three or four big tablespoons full of soda. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I went back there to the bed {D: all} how you feeling mr {D: Crub}? He said I'm damn nigh dead. {B} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: He said go get Ned and tell Ned to come and come at once and let's get him to a doctor. We went over there and woke him up. I called him Captain Ned, Captain Ned! Yeah? I just {D: asked} {B} {D: I said mr Rob throw that bat all} sick and said for you to come take him to the doctor. Where's {D: Adel?} He's at my- ms Daisy's place. He said I'll be out there in a few minutes. He just put on his housecoat you know and out the door he comes with me {D: Mose was} on our way back to the house and we heard him crank up and when his light hit Mose's car Mose just hit the ditch cuz he knowed- I- {D: he driven enough} and when he passed me and Mose me and Mose had to sit over there on the side of the road while five or ten men Interviewer: #1 {X} # 434: #2 before we could {D: get back on the road}. # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # {NW} And we made it coming out with ms Daisy and mr Rob get him to the doctor. And I didn't see him no more about a week and I said how did mr Rob get, ms Daisy? Said he got well before the doctor rang. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He done did see the doctor. {C: laughing} Interviewer: {NW} 434: He said Ned scared him so bad. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} 434: {X} He said that it scared him so bad he stopped and that's {X} moved his bowels and his got well right straight. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {D: He doesn't call the doctor} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # It's- {D: that's how you get 'em mr Rob}. He uh taken sick up there and died. Now he was lazy, never did marry. And he'd sit in one place all day long while somebody- well he didn't have {X} Just like you sitting there he wouldn't get up. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 No he- # They wouldn't go get a drink of water Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 get- wake me to come get up # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # {NW} Sit right on that porch and wait for me to get him water. Interviewer: {NW} 434: And that was a lazy white man, fine looking fellow too. Cuz he didn't- he hated work so bad he wouldn't take {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He wouldn't work- Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NW} And they- they had an old uncle named Gus. You talking about a mean white man, he was one of 'em. He killed thirteen men and go on and tell you the truth, now you wanna hell raise out of a bunch of niggers you let 'em be in the road and say here come Captain Gus! {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 They get to thinking {D: like this}. # They is scared of that man. Now he didn't bother everybody but the folks did scare him and kill him for it. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 Children was # scared of him. I was scared of him! And I I was {X} {B} when he killed a lot of people when I was little, I didn't know nothing about it much, you know it? And it was old man Jimmy {B} brother. And the last man he killed- he killed one of these highway men, was an Indian there on the highway somehow {X} he was inspecting. Old Captain Gus picks the road and that man went out and condemned and he jumped on it. And this fellow whooped him. {NS} And he ran to the camp and got his horse {NS} and saddled him up and rid {C: pronunciation of rode} to town tied that horse and he walked the streets 'til he found that man and shot him six times. Men wants to {D: kill} Well then they taken all his weapons away from him and put him under probation, they kept from executing him. His folks had a lot of money and they just nearly went broke trying to save him. So he come home and he found out I was raised with his brother's childrens. And he'd taken a liking to me and I was scared of him. Interviewer: {NW} {NW} 434: He {D: called out to me to} go hunting with him. And I was scared to go and scared not to go, I didn't know what to {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He bring a mule for me to ride. And he had a big dog named George. And old George wouldn't run nothing with rabbits at night I don't reckon but everything George struck was a wildcat or a fox or a coon. You better not tell him he's running the rabbit {X} Rabbit come right under the mule {D: the boss was} riding, just come right along by. And that dog come along there he hot damn General he's running that cat that I need, I said yes sir. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 {NW} # He said {B} your dog and my dog wouldn't run rabbits at night. Your dog won't run no cat! I'm going back to Georgia and buy you a pair {D: cat dog} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I told him yes sir. Interviewer: {NW} 434: And me and him running and hunting and excited to go to sleep. And I was scared to go to sleep in the woods with him. He pulled his saddle off, I pulled mine off and we built a fire and I laid my- he laid his head on his saddle, I laid my h- head on mine. He snored, he got to snoring, after a while he say lay still. Lay still. Don't you move. I said to him, said if he can be in these woods by yourself cuz you Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # me not moving {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # But he was dreaming about the folks I reckon he had killed. And that man lived over there and he come here and he tell {B} {B} scared of him too. {NW} He tell {B} you go in the other room me and {B} gonna stay in here. {B} go in there and go to bed and he'd stand here. He blow a horn {X} He'd keep you up all night, he'd sit up in the house Sunday night or any other night and just blow a horn all night long. Drank whiskey and coffee you know and after he found out I was raised with his family I have an old car. He said {B} I said yes sir. If I got out, want me and you to ride about something tomorrow. I said Captain Gus I ain't got no tag on my car. My truck. {NW} Hell you can't run on a tag, it take gas to run a car. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He tell my poor daddy man. {NW} I said what the lord give him. Ain't a law in hell arrest you with me. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # And they wouldn't Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 but they knowed the {D: Captain} # They thought I {X} they'd let me go too, they wouldn't bother me. So I cranked up. Now they just scared to death, I was scared not to go with the man now this- he had me in the middle and he met a white fellow down the road and this white fellow just as scared of him as a rabbit was a dog. Oh he just mr Carter, mr Carter he's down with me today praying. Mr Carter get out and have dinner with him. I said now, hoping he would and I don't know why they said {B} I said yup. He said I believe I'll go out there and eat dinner with old Bob {D: Mosh} today he says you be back here at one o'clock. Said we want to go out 'til the pine and out through the {D: Lovvorn} and past {X} on through Troy and up all round the highway and {NS} China Grove. I said I ain't got a {X} Ain't got no license and no tag. Hell you can't run a car on a license, it take gas to run a car. And I don't put that in there. {NW} So I went home and driv {C: pronunciation of drive} my car around to the back of the house and told Bill to tell him somebody come help me, I had to leave. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # So that old man happen to keep 'em down there and when he did come to my house he got drunk was walking across the ditches. Straight old fellow. And there's a board went across the ditch, I said can you cross this ditch? He said yeah! And he got slammed across the ditch and went to pick up his feet to step off on the ground and he got off balance and he went in the ditch deep as that door there. Lot of his back in the mud and water. Interviewer: {NW} 434: I got down there and got him out. Carried him up there to the house, build a fire for him. And next news I hear is that old man he fell in a fire and burn up. Interviewer: Is that right? 434: Right. Fell in the fire and burned up hisself. Interviewer: {NW} 434: Now he was a bad fellow. Talking about folks scared of him. His uh- his niece had him working for him. And his- he hated Old Captain Jim's wife so bad when she'd come out there he'd eat at the store, he wouldn't eat there. He said if he eat at the table where she was he'd kill her. {NS} They got to squabbling there one day and old man Gus had old man Jim get him {X} Got mad at old Captain Jim. Well don't nobody tell us about {X} I be about wanting him killed myself. So he walked into the closet and kept his pistol in there. He stayed in there a few minutes {X} pistol's there. {NW} Said he {D: heard him} sliding down against the walls sitting down in there. Said didn't nobody open the door. Said well {X} open the door by god you thought I was dead didn't you? Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {D: He done dead. They go and shoot the-} and they going to snatch the door open and see {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NW} {X} Yeah I have a lot of experience with- with white people. Interviewer: {NW} 434: Lot of it, lot of it, lot of it. Interviewer: {NW} 434: #1 I paid # Interviewer: #2 You ever h- # 434: for a man once cleaning off yards that barbecue a hog. He was drunk. And it's a drizzling rain. {D: Dagonnit} let me go in here and get General a raincoat to put on him. And I was raking out there in the yard and he went and {X} put the raincoat on. And the house is up high as the ground. He come out there {D: whole lot of work and that- get the} raincoat on, went under the house {X} done left me out there in the rain. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # {NW} He said dagonnit here I am under the house with a coat on and {B} out there in the rain. {NS} No that Gus was a sight {X} lived in this house and down there and he'd come he had a fellow followed him around, he made him play a guitar for him. And he'd make him swap right off on one song, didn't nothing even care what he was playing. He'd tell him something else he had to keep on with the guitar, wouldn't you? {NW} He'd be playing ain't gonna rain no more, ain't gonna rain no more play the {X} {NW} then he'd start on something else. {C: laughing throughout} That man had that boy messed up. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {NW} He took a little old nigger boy waiting for a woman over there in {X} Tucker. And raised him. And th- he had that boy riding a mule the boy's leg would come along here on the mule's {NS} side and he made him cuss out everybody he wanted, little old kids couldn't talk plain Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # He'd see somebody coming he says {X} He said yes sir? I want you to cuss that man when you get to him. Interviewer: {NW} 434: The man is riding by and said hello mr Carter. He said cuss him {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # Said that little boy start {X} Cuss him {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # he got twenty something years old. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Niggers was gambling down there and that little old woman down there {X} {D: nobody just gives} some money. He went out there say he come back and woke up {D: Gus goes is the job done?} Said uh-huh. They took my money down there {X} Took your money? Yes. God damn wait a minute {D: you got that all wrong}. {D: he'd put it to all of 'em} got his pistol and went down there. Niggers had money just piled up around there. When he walked up they looked up pick up all that money {D: that's your's} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 {NS} # {D: Sent} that little boy got down there and raked it all up and went on back to his house. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {D: Stern} That was a bad white man. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {D: Just had to go down and lose some more} {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # That Gus call 'em the champions. Interviewer: {NW} #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I seen some little old white boys one day, I was messing with some little white boys {X} and Mike. And {D: Ned Giddins} was little. And they mother's had me fooling around with 'em, playing with 'em. And they had buggies then. Bigshot peoples had buggies and horses. And these little old boys had a buggy they were walking around with it you know. And old man Gus had a brother name {D: Hein} and him and mr Hein co- come down and said {NS} {X} These little boys come down there about that high, they looked up at {D: the man} one of 'em shot old man Gus round the shoulders with that buggy whip. {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 434: Old man Gus caught him by his arm, snatched it out of his hand, took the buggy and every- and hit him right here. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # That boy {D: up there} {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # His daddy's standing right there. And he went to house and told him mo- mother's scared of him too. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {NW} Goddamn you I'll show you who to hit. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I bet that boy never did touch his old gun no more. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {X} Interviewer: {NW} 434: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: {NW} Gus was a sight. Interviewer: {NW} 434: And after he learnt me Nobody didn't offer me {B} mm-mm. I was just scared of him now if he's black man as I did- Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {D: Tell him} {D: It's that he-} You working on the county road and you have some niggers on the camp and they just camp in old houses like {D: Niam} out there you know {D: and there were these} road camps where folks moved outta houses they camped there and they cooked in there and go in out the {X} He had a house rented then niggers was sleeping in it. And he'd wake up every morning and ring twelve and one o'clock at night and wake 'em up, they was using mules then building roads with mules and wheelers and wagons and things. So he go down, had a big stick. Hit on the wall of the house. {X} {X} Get out goddamn get out, get out. Boy was waking up there two- two and three o'clock at night and have to get out there and get clothes on, catch them mules and had to give one to ms Daisy {NW} {D: go to work}. {NW} Say he went out one night and he beat on the side of the house said nigger was in there. Old man Gus walked off to {X} Niggers have this goddamn man with {D: creek} coming around here #1 every morning. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 434: Waking us up this time #1 of night. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} 434: And one of them other niggers told the boss man about it, told old man Gus {D: Gus} Said old man Gus come early that next night. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # {NS} He walked up there, he slammed the door. {D: Come back, come back} Get on the ground, get on the- come outta there. And he went walking this way like he going but a nigger thought he'd gone. He hears that walking just stomping like he's walking off {X} {X} wish that goddamn man would {X} Uh-huh I hear that. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # He said keep that door- Interviewer: {NW} 434: Said {NW} niggers was running out of the house before {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 Oh # 434: #2 {NW} # Said {D: he hopped just like a chicken when you break his pace}. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Said run to the line said some of them had the mule by his tail. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Ain't gonna let no folks go out there {X} 434: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: Ah that {X} I say some of them men both foots down, one leg is {D: over on the other now} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # {NW} {D: I said} {NW} And he sent a man up a tree {D: there in the forest}. And the- He say you see him? He say yes {X} I see him. Catch him! Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He- he saying Bobby! Catch him! {NW} So he ran towards it catching that horse and got him right by the hand. That nigger was hollering come up here Captain Gus they got me! {NW} Come up here! Come up here! {D: He got me} Said- he said throw him down. He said come up here! He got me! He said throw him down! That nigger's taking his {D: can, pour some right on his hand this way} Interviewer: {NW} 434: That why he hear that {X} {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He {D: sat in that boss's lap, in his hand} he went well. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {NW} That boy said {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NW} Lord have mercy. I had a lot of {X} out of old Captain Gus. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {D: Veer} did too. He went on {D: for the car} and poured whiskey in his {D: coffin}. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # {NW} {B} forbade him too, but he said go in the other room. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # Is that true {B}? {B} want no parts of Captain Gus. Aux: #1 {X} # 434: #2 {NW} # Aux: I sat him down on the toilet, no thank you! Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 434: And he just thought the world of me but I was scared of him. Yes sir I was scared of that man. {NS} And he wore his hat down over one of his eyes. Looked like a {X} {D: He tell me} Coon wants you. You see a coon laying up tree and he has his eyes closed {D: opened 'em} just see a little bit of red {X} But he put his hat over his right eye. And he had that other eye- I don't know what kind of {X} {D: Hit that} coach whip. Interviewer: {NW} 434: {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {X} {NW} And they come out there to wrestle mules. The law from Troy went out to right here to take some mules, they was closing out a road camp. {D: He took past the mules} and wouldn't let him have 'em. Well you see, they didn't want to kill 'em. And that's what they'd had done after got them mules. They had to kill 'em. So they didn't have to {X} They said I reckon them and one of them and the mules wasn't worth somebody getting killed about you know. That old- my man Gus was mean he- He'da shot 'em. And uh they'd of had to kill him {X} And they had a big old boy- fine looking boy, got's a- {D: Go go with him} Captain Gus got some mean {X} his folks were scared of him. A nice family. And his wife was scared of him and his childrens I reckon all was scared of him and he had to leave. Left. And I was cooking for some boys. come outta {D: Dawny} up here in Grady. Made a pot of camp stew for 'em. And I kept hearing them in the house hollering {B} boy {B} boy {B} boy now. {D: Seen a little} slender white boy walking around in there, black head and had that coach whip look in the eye and a hat hung over his right eye just like his daddy you know and foreign looking young man and he come walking out to the pothole I was. I said I keep hearing them talk about {B} boy {B} boy in there. I said is you in relation to the {B} around here? He said I don't know! He said do you know Uncle Jimmy? I said yes sir I know him. Said I was raised at his house, I stayed there from six years old on up and 'til I got a {X} Did you know Uncle {D: Lace} {B} I said yeah I knowed him. Uncle George? Yeah. Uncle John? I said I knowed all of them. Did you ever know mr Gus {B}? Yes sir. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I can tell he think {X} He said well that's my father. I said you didn't know you was talking to your first cousin did you? Interviewer: {NW} 434: He said no, I said this {B} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He went in the house, told his mother. He said mother I found some of our kin folks- Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # And she come out and when I told her all about those {B} And I told her I'm {D: Yellow's} first cousin. I'm that boy's first cousin. And he pulled out a silver dollar and handed it to me. Said {B} keep this in remembrance of me. I kept it about six months. Interviewer: {NW} 434: I let somebody have it and- 'til I could get another dollar and {X} there while I got the h- I got the other dollar from another fellow and couldn't get none over with so I lost it! {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 434: I- Now cooked all that {X} barbecue. Twelve hundred pounds of meat. Made three pots of camp stew. And I was on the airplane show. In {D: Troy} and they take my pictures. Toting hams and shoulders and a big butcher knife, I'd be going to the table with a shoulder of meat, they'd catch my picture you know and- And then I played the guitar and they put me on air. And a white lady {X} they got it over there and she said {B} I saw you on TV the other night and I jumped all over the place. And they thought I- my name being {B} they thought I was {B} in some office in the army #1 {D: and there was something there} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: {NS} {D: They thought I was that nigger with that plan to cut him off} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # They said he thought I was some {B} and some nigger {X} in the army so- and I was over there plowing old mule. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {NW} Yes sir I've had a lot of experience with white folk. I've been with more white folks {X} colors, I reckon they deal in this whole community I- There used to be an old sheriff up there at Grady. He was tough old man and I'd go up there and there's so many different white folks just he got to notice me. And one day he said to me he said I see you with more different white folks then I ever see'd a nigger in my life. He says what kind of fellow are you? I said I don't know. {NW} {D: What kind are you?} {X} And he got to worry he just like me, I go to Grady and didn't have no tag on my car {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NW} Didn't have no license. {NW} {X} Now {B} sheriff {D: owns}. And the highway patrol would come up. And I was in the store. I see them walk over there to one of the clerks and say who's car is that out there? Had my leg {X: fold on}- a hole in the- glass in the front of it. In the windshield. So I could stick my hand through there, that's the way I {D: drill} with a five cell flashlight at night. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I see'd that light through that hole. Every time when I went to meeting somebody I'd stop. And 'til they passed and then I'd pull back in the road, cut my light on and was gone. Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NS} the tag had rusted off back there behind the window. Now the police back there for the tag Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I seed him over there talking to him and I heard one of the men say that's Big Nigger's car. And they went to laughing, the store people {X} and he come over. He said {B} that your car? I said yes sir. He said you got any license? He said where's your tag? I said I don't have none. Got no license? I said yes sir. Boys, I see 'em standing on- {NS} I was gonna outrun him. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # He couldn't help but laugh when I told him I set it on {X} He said, let me tell you one thing. Interviewer: {NW} 434: You get that car home, put there in your backyard and you didn't {X} He- you get some {X} in {D: that tank of your's} I said yes sir. I {D: driv} it back {C: pronunciation of drove} {X} {D: and driv on the} {pronunciation of drove} red light there's- and didn't have no brakes and I tried to stop here and went back down through town backwards. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # {NW} {NW} When you messing with the clutch that's when you can go traveling {D: didn't showed up} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {X} {NW} {X} People was jumping out the car and holding {B} boys {B} holding {NW} and he popped the car and got on the side of my car and slowed it down. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # And them white folks outside of my car to slow it down on there and pushed it into the village, they left me sitting up there. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I got out and walked up to him. Interviewer: {NW} 434: When I come back the man had put some brakes on it. {NW} I didn't charge him nothing. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} 434: I had three cars and ain't never had no license, didn't have tags. I think I finally got one tag. {NW} {D: Driv} {C: pronunciation of drove} all over the country. All these churches round here didn't have no horn, I'd meet folks in the road, {D: you'd hear me say} {NW} {X} {NW} My wife got to where she didn't want to ride with me. I'd pass by folks, I said {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I'd {D: ask for direction} And I'd cook for 'em and everybody put a car in my yard, I got to {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I had an eight pound lard bucket. {NW} And I got through with it- when I got their suppers done I'd go round there {D: with Carter} and get me some gas. And put it in mine. He didn't care you know, he didn't care- And I left a man {X} in the median down there. Said below Shady Grove and cook some squash for him late one evening and a bunch had gone out squirrel hunting. And they wanted to cook the squirrels in the swamp. And they ask me to go down there meet 'em to fry the squirrel. I had a gallon of gas when I left the house. I got down here to Shady Grove I {D: called all this young} honey. Old Honey had a brand new car. I said Honey? He said uh-huh? Let me have a gallon of gas. He said you got any way to get it? I said I keep a way to get it out of other folks' car. Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NW} He said get you a gallon. I got my tube and set my bucket back there. drawed a {D: mile of gas} The preacher from Shady Grove he's standing there. I have a quarter and gas was fifteen or twenty cents and I handed it over so I was just handing it back to him. Preacher sees. I went on up to the preacher and I said reverend? He said uh-huh? Let me have a gallon of gas. He says Got a way to get it {X} I said yes sir, I'll draw you out a gallon. I drawed him out a- a gallon, I hand him a quarter, he hand it back to me. I went on and cooked the squash for him and the man down there know him. I told him my gas was short and he come up on a hill and put his car on a hillside {D: just waiting} I got three gallons out of his. Interviewer: {NW} 434: And he wouldn't take the quarter. Interviewer: {NW} 434: I come on across the creek over there and run up on a poor man. Didn't have nothing and he had a car and I saw- I stopped there, he knowed me and I said mr {D: Miller} he said yeah, what about a gallon of gas? Yeah hot dang, you can get mine. I went down drawing and got- didn't get a half-gallon and he took my quarter. {NW} I left my quarter there with him. He didn't say drive off and take your quarter with you. {NW} {NW} I left Shady Grove one night and the- bunch of colored people would hang around the hobo mill up the road you know, the ride. Come home, they lived {X} Cutting that curve there they all the {D: mole} got on one side of the truck and they did the other and I {D: decided that} swing out on that side of the road and when I did my wheels hit the soft dirt. And I just put the- {X} being on that side was just pulling them right over there in the ditch. And there's a briar patch just along side of the fence and all the plum bushes and things. And I heard the back of the truck hit the bush {NW} {D: that's what you're doing} I looked back. Man this nigger's hanging on that fence like clothes. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 434: {NW} Thought he had jumped out of. {X} {X} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 434: I stopped the truck, I said y'all want a ride? No! Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 I didn't mean to do 'em that way but- # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # but that thing that pulled him over too far. {NW} Well miss {X} {B} told me to tell all of the boys. We can get all the wood we want out of his pasture and he'll come over there and he'll go with us and he got a powerful saw and he'll help cut it. Green or dry he said it don't make no difference to him, he had plenty of it. Interviewer: #1 Alright. # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 We going to- # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: We gonna get together out here Friday now. 434: Right. Interviewer: You ready aren't you? 434: That's right. And he told him to tell 'em. David was there. David went with me over there. He told David he said he got a big power saw and I got green wood. I got dry wood. Cut either one you want. Interviewer: What kind of wood we need to put under that- 434: Oak. Interviewer: #1 Green or dry? # 434: #2 You need oak. # We need oak wood to- Interviewer: Green or dry? 434: That's r- any of it. Green {D: yourself} you get the fire started. Any of it will burn. But we got to burn that pot out. Interviewer: Yeah. 434: Get it cleaned out. Well we may have to borrow a pot. If we can't get it like we want it, we'll get us a pot somewhere else. Interviewer: We can clean it. We get it clean. 434: See get it red hot and burn it out, that's all it need. Interviewer: Yeah I'll bring some cleaning stuff- 434: {X} {D: over there} we- me and David's over there the other day at his- {NS} got a great big pasture he said he got a little old bottom {D: lab} where there's oak trees any size we wanted. And he'd help cut it. And he'd let his truck {X} That's fair enough, wasn't it? Interviewer: Sure is. When do you want to go buy the meat? Thursday? 434: Whenever you come out- whenever you get ready we'll get the meat. See we can get the meat and throw it right in that freezer until we get ready to cook it. Interviewer: Um. Okay. Where do you want to go buy it? 434: It's the best {X} you can get it- might get it cheaper where that butcher at. What do you call that house? Where they slaughter- Interviewer: Slaughter house? 434: Yeah. Interviewer: Slaughter house? 434: Yes. Interviewer: They wouldn't have any hens there though would they? 434: I don't think they have hens there. But your pork meats, you might get it cheaper to go there and buy it than you would at these supermarkets and places. Interviewer: Yeah. Isn't there a slaughter house in {D: Vernage}? Yeah. There's one out there- out in Troy too. Outside of Troy I believe, going out toward uh {D: Agoshia} A slaughter house on the Henderson Road, isn't it? What's that road- what's the road that goes across right there at uh- You know where {D: Hepsa} the church is? Uh-huh. Bottom of the road. After you pass {D: Hepsa} the church on out there about four mile there's a slaughter house on the right. 434: They says there's two colored fellow got killed over there lived in a {X} last night I reckon Last night. They're- come over the hill somewhere and run into a white woman. Killed both of them. Two brothers in the car, two nigger brothers. In the car and says they looking for the white lady that died. I don't whether she had died or not but they killed them right there. {X} There's a holes, knocked me in one of them side ten he was driving I reckon he's still in there- Interviewer: Yeah. 434: And the other one {X} killed him too and said {NW} you could smell the whiskey all around where the {X} Drunk. Interviewer: {NW} 434: Now they killed a- this poor white lady {D: nana} was sober. No doubt didn't have nothing in 'em, was just going home or someplace and drunks just run a head collision into it. He sees it. Drunk peoples kills peoples that don't even drink. Interviewer: Yeah. 434: {NS} And that's devil will get strict on that law. People will open up down the road under the influence and they could- c- they crazy enough without whiskey. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # When you get something that mess your brains up 'til you don't know what you done or not you're in bad shape. That's what they were, just boys with a bootlegger. He made whiskey. {NS} Well that ends his career you know. And I was standing here the other night {D: watching it} Telling my wife what sin would do. {NS} Sin will make you kill yourself. Sin will make you kill somebody. Sin'll break up your home. Sin'll make you disrespect your fellow man. And sin will keep you at the end of sin's death. That's what the Bible says. At the end of all sin is death. Well you see these boys was sin. I told my wife just as quick as- as Christ can snatch you away to be with- God can snatch you away from the sinful people to be at home with Jesus. It's that quick that them mens went to hell in that car. Interviewer: {D: Great}. 434: {D: Yes sir} Get in the cellar that quick. See when you go down in your house off of this floor then you go down in the cellar. {NW} And a lot of peoples when you put 'em in the ground they in the cellar. {NS} And they never get up no more into- after the rapture. Interviewer: That bootleg whiskey must not be much good is it? 434: What was that? Interviewer: That bootleg whiskey- is that pretty strong stuff? 434: See that- that bootleg whiskey- Interviewer: Here comes somebody I don't know. 434: {D: What was that?} Interviewer: Who is it driving a blue pickup? 434: {D: Maybe Ed} {NS} Interviewer: Going in that pasture, the bottom pasture I believe. {NS} 434: They went on back? Interviewer: Went to that pasture down toward the chicken house. 434: Oh that's {X} {NS} That's old man {D: John} {NS} {X} deal with whiskey you know. All whiskey'll make you drunk, won't it? Interviewer: {X} I've ever heard of. {NS} 434: I was telling them last night about a preacher eat dinner with one of his deacons. and the deacon told him- asked him would he take a drink with him. Preacher told him no, I couldn't drink. And he told his wife now I just got to have a little shot. {D: And said} So uh I didn't have the appetite to eat and said you pour some little whiskey in that milk on the table and that way the preacher can't smell it on me so much. They sat down table and start eating. And the preacher got eating on it, take another bite, {D: let him} swallow the milk {NW} sit there a little bit, the milk tasted good to him. He dranked up that glass of milk, he said more milk please. Lady poured him another glass of milk. And he drank that. Sit there {D: for a minute and then} he said more milk please. And he drank about four glasses of that milk. He feeling good when he got through. So he went out on the porch and washed his hands wiping his hands. {X} When the deacon come walking out he says Deacon. {D: How much} {X} take for that cow? He got- Deacon said she ain't for sale, that's the only one I got. He said if she ever have a heifer calf I want it. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 He thought that cow- # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He thought that cow was giving that kind of milk. {C: laughter} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {NW} He thought that cow'd give him milk, make him feel however he wanted, that cow. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # If she ever have a heifer calf he sure wants her. Interviewer: {NW} {NW} 434: He- {NW} {NW} I told old boy once I asked him about going hunting with me. And he just married. A great big old fat short gal, she's- big old chunky girl you know. And she come there while me and him was talking and sit down there on the step. He said honey? Said uh-huh? Go out there and spent the night with Floyd, I wanna go hunting {B} She sat there a little bit and me and him kept talking and she never did say what she doing. He said will you go out there and spent the night with Floyd? And she was mad, she commence to swelling you know. She got bigger and bigger. Her face commence at getting red and- and he kept begging at her, why? She says I won't do it. And he said yes you will. She said I won't. He said I reckon by god you will. Says that I won't! If I'd known he's going to treat me this way I'd stay at home! He said by god, know much about you I do now {D: left you there} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Hell when I got through with him on that night I bet he'd wished he'd listened at his wife. {NW} {NW} That boy hunting with me that night, the preacher's legs split open. And he had on shorts and it was cold. {X} And I got in a mud pond that night- an old mud mash-y place, and I stayed in there about three hours. Before I could get out. Finally I found my way out of that mud place and when I did the wind had changed then and got in the North. And the leaves began to rattle with ice on 'em. And I- well I had on my pair of eighteen-inch boots. And I was wet up above my boots and my feets wasn't wet but that mud and stuff is sloshed on it. And I come down over the road 'til there's a plant down in a ditch, some old bridge had fell in. And I just had enough light to get there and I didn't have any other piece of light. There wasn't nothing for me to do but lay there for days and it was cold. And that boy lay there that night with his leg out {NW} {X} come out the swamp. {NW} He- We had our mules out there in that barn. And the man that lived here said if he knowed which one was mules that {X} going out there and turn him out and run him over! {NW} If I tell you never mentioned hunting with me no more. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: {NW} 434: {D: Loved his} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: {X} Interviewer: {B} General gonna hang with him? Aux: {NW} {D: What we're trying to do.} {D: You tell me that at the wrong time.} 434: {X} Aux: {X} Interviewer: Lost you? Aux: #1 Am I # Interviewer: #2 You mean- # Aux: sleepy? Interviewer: Cuz you're sleepy? Aux: I got sleepy and- and I- 434: {NW} Aux: {X} Interviewer: {NW} 434: See I tell her to keep the fire 'til I come back to it #1 and she goes {X} and let the fire go out. # Aux: #2 He build fires- # 434: Well I couldn't find it in the dark. Interviewer: {NW} 434: And once I woke up on her Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 And she's sleeping- # When she woke up I was standing there blowing my horn. Interviewer: {NW} 434: {X} Interviewer: {NW} I bet- Aux: #1 I ain't going # Interviewer: #2 he {D: seen her-} # Aux: {X} Interviewer: {NW} But you thought that {D: of Gable} didn't you? Aux: #1 Oh no. # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} Aux: It scared me to death. 434: I used to hunt with these boys that'd go to sleep- I- I would have been ten myself. They bad to go to sleep and- soon as you stop they just fall right down and go to sleep and I'd rake up pine straw {NW} and make a little road right to his foot. And I'd set that pine straw on fire. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # That's how {C: laughter} {X} Sometimes I would have it go to his hand. His hand would be laying out there {X} I see you {X} coming off. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # That part of the fire {X} go out you know. Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NW} Some of 'em wake up and cry. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # And- {D: three or four of them night} just kept, caught a fire on his head. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Lord have mercy I had more fun one night. I woke up and my boot strings had {X} {D: loose.} Interviewer: {NW} 434: {D: They had-} they had a laugh on me then, I'd get paid for what I'd done. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {NW} {D: I wrote} used to be old white boy higher than me and Larry {B} Billy {B}, Bobo {B} {X} Billy {B} I mean Billy {B} and Bobo and Larry and had a great big old stomping. Boy hunted with us and he wouldn't help make a fire at night or nothing. And soon as the fire died down he'd come right up and get right over between them boys and the fire. And he just had to freeze them to death, when they wake #1 up they freezing. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: And a- they were scared of that big old boy, he could whup 'em. And I tell 'em, I said boys if y'all wanna whoop that boy cut you a good stick and hit him right cross the knees just as hard as you can hit him. You see you hit cross the knees he's a weakened then you know and he'll drop down then pull him Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 over the head with it. # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {D: When he get down y'all} beat the tar {D: out of him.} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # That- they scared they wouldn't get him hard enough to bring him down. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # If he {X} them boys and- I woke up one night and Billy was lying right next to me. Then I I woke up and this big old fat one fixing to sit down right in Billy's face. And Billy remained close to the fire, he's fixing to sit down right in his face, I said {D: get off there} boy, you {D: fixing to} sit down on this boy here. I woke up one night and he'd stepped over between me and the fire. I woke up cold. Interviewer: {NW} 434: I didn't say nothing to him. I went on out through woods and I found old lighter stump about this high had big old ribs to it and tar running out it and it had rotted off in the ground and I just jerked it out, great big roots and carried it up there and piled it down before I put {X} on the fire, got it all up there and then I laid it on the fire. Tar went running out it. And when he started {X} I said I ain't gonna let him catch a fire but {D: I'm gonna run and quick get in the} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 434: I laid there and watched it {D: after a while} I see his pants begin to smoke. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He had big old thick lips. I see'd his lips go stretching out that way. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I didn't {D: made that, just watched it} {NW} {D: smoking all up here} {X} {NW} And when he moved he'd touch it. And it was hot. {NW} He said goddamn you cotton boy {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} 434: {NW} I said no I just want you to quit getting ahead of everybody. {X} {D: I just wanna} {X} him up. Well I broke him from getting ahead of me. {X} Go out there and hear {D: men say} {X} I wouldn't wake him up. Near that fire, made that fire wake him up. Interviewer: {NW} 434: #1 It's- # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 434: I was hunting one night and this fellow come to me, I heard him hollering. And I could hear him talking. My dogs were running, I thought somebody was with him. And I maybe come tell me he was drunk. He come out of {D: Helekkin} over there, come through them swamp. Drunk. Come tell me, me and a white fellow running the coon. And I- He comes staggering up there and they- and the dogs was trailing right up the creek. We was walking old fish trail up the bank of the creek and he was behind us, staggering around back there. And the creek made a bend. Come around this way. Well when he got to where that bend was me and this white fellow had walked on round the bend when he got there he caught hisself gonna straighten out that bend. {NW} He stepped right over in the creek. {NW} We heard something back there {NW} {D: I hear} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {X} hadn't floated on top of the water. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He just went under. {X} on top of the water. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He comes walking to the bank. {NW} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He gets up on the bank and caught a bush. And he comes walking up the bank near the bush, climbed up {D: climbed up there} Just soon as he got his front feet up on the ground top come out of the bush right by {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I {D: see'd} that {D: tee} come out and I told the white fellow I said the dog's getting away. You stay here with this fellow bringing him on and I'll go on and trail the coon and I- y'all can come to me, he said alright. After a while the white fellow called me. I said, what, the other man was drunk. He said hell last time I hear he waiting to {D: leak} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 He- # Then- {C: laughter} and then when I had that swamp we leaked into that swamp. And lord, he'd {X} half the creek. {NW} And he went out. Me and him trailed the coon and it was way up the swamp. He come down through there the next morning Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 about # daylight. Hand bleed- Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {X} He had a big fire he come down and steal up all the fire {X} I said {D: oh you still got a while to feel} right cross the fire. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # {NW} {D: He-} he told 'em he never gonna hunt with {B} no more. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # He ain't been with me no more either. Interviewer: {NW} {NW} 434: {NW} Lord have mercy. Interviewer: {NW} You used to hunt a lot didn't you General? 434: Yes sir I used to hunt {X} I used to hunt- Interviewer: What all's good to hunt around here? 434: What? Interviewer: What all's good to hunt around here? 434: Coon. Cat, fox. {NS} I bird hunted. I hunted with mens come out of Montgomery. They'd go bird hunting you know and they'd give me shells and I'd go hunting with 'em. And I couldn't kill no birds flying. That they flew the way I sho- Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 434: #2 # And- these mens could kill birds And I wait 'til he shoot and I shoot at the bird fallen were he killed. He said {B} you got them? I said yes sir. {NW} I wouldn't even touch it. And a man come down there to go hunting with me. There's a white fellow told me, said {B} This man and- getting to come down here for you to go hunting with him. He can't miss a birdie. I don't believe he could miss a bird if he tried. And he come down there one morning, got there about {X} sun up. Said {B} this is mr Taylor he come down here. Mr Carter told on you to take him out hunting today. I told him yeah. I had a good gun and he had plenty of shells. I said well I can't kill no birds. {D: I think if I kill this} fellow when the {X} Good hunters over there plain could kill birds. And I {X} {D: and told him- bald} man man over there named Chris {B} And he went- he went for a crack shot, he had one of these big pump guns you know and those good {D: boy} dog. And I had a good boy dog. {X} Got over there and this man- dogs got to trailing birds and it was hot and the birds wouldn't stick. They'd get up before the dog could point. And this fellow went to shooting anyhow and this colored fellow's come to me and said ain't nothing to him, you can kill {NS} I said {X} And I don't know why them boys got to where- he said when you shoot out in front and off that way get 'em scared they begin to stick, they won't fly up so quick. And this dog was getting the point. And he walk up there where them {NS} boys was {NS} {D: What the hell?} Interviewer: {D: Oh it's Turner, I got to go.} Aux: {X} 434: Hello, hello! Come on in! Aux #2: {X} got the store {D: And I want to come see him} 434: Lord have mercy. Aux #2: You know me? 434: Sure I do, this is the baby girl ain't it? Aux #2: That's right. 434: {NW} Come on in here ms {D: Barbara} {X} Listen uh mr Ed here and I can't call this one {B} Aux #2: How do you do? Glad to know you- 434: Lord have mercy, this is the baby girl. Aux #2: Yeah {B} {NW} You all look a bit older than the last time I saw you. 434: Well sure. #1 Y- y- you know how they started calling me big nigger? # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 434: {X} Aux: #1 Yeah # 434: #2 {NW} # Aux: And {D: Tay I totally} saw you on TV, I said Tay why didn't you call me? She said well I was just so interested in {B} was so good I just couldn't get up from the TV to 434: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 call nobody. # 434: {NW} {NS} Aux #3: Dang General 434: #1 {X} # Aux #3: #2 {NW} # 434: #1 # Aux #3: #2 # 434: Couldn't trouble a bit. Come on in and have a seat. Aux #2: You had a Christmas weekend this weekend right? 434: I'm having- you know this is my children come here, I got several boy-. Aux #2: Hi y'all. Interviewer: Hi. 434: #1 Come on in this is- # Aux #2: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # Aux #2: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 # Aux #2: #2 # 434: #1 And this is- this is ms {X} young sister. # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 Oh. Very {D: kind} of you # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 to bring Marvin back. # Aux: #2 {X} # Aux #3: {X} Aux #4: We just got all of the little {X} you know Interviewer: #1 Yes. # Aux #4: #2 I- I- # reckon y'all do. And Bob hadn't seen him in so long he said I'm getting so feeble I just- Aux #2: {D: asked} Aux #4: got to go see {B} Well I said okay. Sit down there Bob and talk to him. 434: Yeah I'm so glad you come out, you know it? Me and him used to sing. Interviewer: Is that right? 434: Me and him used to sing when the road is cold up yonder {X} {NW} Interviewer: Don't reckon you can get that through together again on Friday night do you? 434: I wish we could. Interviewer: And sing that song again. 434: Yeah then- Interviewer: I'd love to hear that. Aux: #1 {D: Yeah} # 434: #2 Yes # Bob and them used to sing that song. Aux: I want to ask him, did you know Ollie and #1 {X} # Aux #4: #2 {X} # 434: {D: Sure.} Joelle was telling me about it. Aux #4: Well I didn't know if you knew or not. I didn't want to inter- Aux: {X} 434: Well you see I- Aux: #1 {X} # Aux #4: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {X} # Aux #4: #2 somewhere- some of that road down into a- # A nurse. Aux: #1 {X} # Aux #4: #2 and head on # Aux: #1 {X} # Aux #4: #2 {X} # 434: #1 Well you see that now, that poor woman- # Aux #4: #2 {X} # Aux: {X} 434: Exactly. That's right. Aux #4: See I know them {D: things} 434: #1 They out # Aux #4: #2 {X} # 434: #1 somewhere drunk. # Aux #4: #2 {X} # the bathroom. 434: Well Aux: #1 {X} # 434: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {X} # 434: #2 {X} # Aux #4: Are you recording that? Interviewer: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Aux #4: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # 434: Joelle said that they said where the car had already got you you could smell the whiskey before you got. Aux #4: Well don't let {D: Reb} walk in {X} Aux #3: Get away from there or not. Interviewer: Alright. Aux #4: I don't want nobody to know that I said {X} Interviewer: #1 No not at all. # Aux #4: #2 I didn't know # he was recording that {D: did you?} Interviewer: No that's alright. It's just- it's just for my use. Aux #3: This is a- Interviewer: Just tell you, we're doing a- Aux: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 a language # Aux: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux #4: You better find out somebody might {X} Interviewer: {D: Nah} Aux #4: So where's that at? I didn't know that was going on. Interviewer: It won't- that won't- don't worry about that. Aux: Well- 434: {D: So this fire?} Aux #5: Yeah. 434: Sit down in our chair, it's been a- the last time I see'd you, you was cutting hair. You don't cut none now. Aux #5: Yeah I do. 434: You ever cut a nigger's hair? Aux #5: No. 434: {NW} {NW} How would you start to cut a nigger's hair? Aux #5: I don't know. 434: {NW} Aux #5: {D: Because well I had the preacher stop with me yesterday} wanted a haircut. I turned him down. Aux: {B} Buckets of {X} They already did- 434: Who? Aux: You. 434: {NW} I was telling him- you know what I tell him about y'all? Aux: What? 434: I told the boys you know them children didn't suffer for nothing that they was too lazy to go at. #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # 434: #1 {NW} # Aux #5: #2 {NW} # 434: #1 # Aux #5: #2 # 434: Well these two gentlemens here miss {D: Barbara} You know uh ever since you knowing me I've been dealing with white folks. Aux #5: Yeah. 434: {D: Ain't you?} And I done got to {D: the first night} I tell him I ain't no nigger, I'm a black Jew. Aux #5: #1 {NW} # 434: #2 {NW} # I'm the only black Jew in this country. Interviewer: {NW} Aux #5: Uh-huh. 434: {NW} Aux #5: {NW} 434: Yes lord, yeah lord, glad to see you- I'm #1 glad to see you. # Aux #5: #2 {X} # 434: You see I been knowing him ever since him and his child {X} I've known who mr Young is, used to lead these children to Sunday school. Aux: #1 This is some # Interviewer: #2 That right? # Aux: tomato sauce you eat with peas and turnip greens. And things and 434: #1 And fresh meat. # Aux: #2 {X} # We had it spiced up you know. With uh nutmeg and {X} and onions and hot peppers, everything you eat with us. Anything you wanna eat I'm putting it on the table, you hear? 434: Okay thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You see I these childrens here- all this and this girl #1 here and- # Aux #5: #2 Are y'all # coy? 434: #1 He's # Interviewer: #2 Alright # 434: taping some of my conversation. Interviewer: {NW} Aux #5: Now? 434: Yeah. Aux: {X} 434: {NW}