Interviewer: So first of all I want to get just some General sort of information Um Your name 456: {B} Interviewer: How do you spell your 456: S-W-A-T-T-S Interviewer: And your address 456: {B} Interviewer: And the county 456: Gulf County Interviewer: And state 456: Florida Now Gulf County was um {NW} Was established in um Nearly fifty years ago we're celebrating the Uh In two years from now we are celebrating the Founding of Gulf County Interviewer: Hmm 456: So when um uh St Joe was born It was Calhoun County Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um Where were you born? 456: #1 I was born here # Interviewer: #2 Just right # 456: The first girl Interviewer: First First newborn in Port St Joe 456: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Your age? 456: I was born in nineteen nine That was a year before the uh Railroad came Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: I believe it was in nineteen ten that the railroad came Interviewer: So that makes you sixty-four? 456: Mm-hmm Not quite But soon {NW} Interviewer: And Your occupation 456: Housewife Interviewer: Or the the work that 456: I did teach music Interviewer: Mm-hmm Was that In a school or 456: No just private lessons Interviewer: What the piano or 456: Piano Interviewer: Organ 456: And I helped with organ some but I didn't really teach it Interviewer: Mm-hmm And religion 456: Methodist United Methodist Church Interviewer: And um Tell me about the Your education um The schools you went to and If if you remember the names of the schools and 456: Well I only attended the schools in Port St Joe Um besides Florida State College for Women Interviewer: Mm-hmm What what was the first school you went to? Do you remember the name of it? 456: It was just Port St Joe School It was an elementary school to begin with Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did it have a high school here in #1 Port St Joe # 456: #2 Not in the beginning # It was uh #1 Several years later before we had a high school # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Did you Go to the high school or 456: Yes I attended the elementary school and the high school Interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 Was that just Port St Joe High School # 456: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 Or was it Gulf County # 456: #2 Just Port St Joe # Interviewer: Okay {NS} Oh Then you went to Florida State College for Women? 456: That's right {NS} Interviewer: How long did you go there? 456: Two years {NS} Interviewer: And um I'd Sort of like to get an idea of um I guess you'd say your social contacts you know the How Uh How active you are in um Various organizations or You know if you've done like traveling or 456: Well I've always been active In church And school the women's work the church as well as the {X} And in school P-T-A I was on the state board P-T-A for ten years Interviewer: Hmm 456: And uh helping in the women's work in our church In the district and in the conference oh Oh many many years I don't know I don't know how long Interviewer: Mm-hmm What conference is this? 456: Alabama West Florida Conference Interviewer: Hmm 456: There are two districts in Florida that are in the Alabama Conference Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 And # We now call it Alabama West Florida Interviewer: Hmm This Women's Work that 456: It uh our The name of has changed so many times through the years it is now United Methodist Women Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But For Several years it was Women's Society of Christian Service before that it was Woman's Society of Christian Service and then back there before that it was Woman's Missionary Society and even Beyond that it was uh Oh just a little local group you know #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: I think it was local And then it was called um Oh I forgot it I was never a member of that though But uh The women did quite a lot they were real active in the church Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: From the beginning Interviewer: Anything else that you're involved in Any 456: Well I've been um Worked quite a lot in Eastern Star Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And we do not now have a woman's club but I was active in that While we had it I've been Uh real fortunate in Had the Having the privilege of attending um A number of meetings In my conference work you know judge work and have just returned from Cincinnati Monday Interviewer: Hmm 456: For uh After attending the assembly Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: In Cincinnati This is uh It involves about ten thousand women And #1 We're the evangelicals # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Um Have you ever been active in Any political organizations around here Do they have those 456: No I have not Interviewer: I was just wondering if league of women voters or anything 456: #1 No we we don't really have that # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 456: #1 Here # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # How much traveling have you done? 456: Well Not a whole lot with I attended the World Fair in Chicago A good many years ago Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And um I've made Quite a few trips In connection with my church work My husband and I have made trips here and there Interviewer: Mm-hmm What what are some of the places you've been to 456: Well when oh uh our personal trips have been around the southern states Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Alabama North Carolina Arkansas and Oh Tennessee and just Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Mostly the southern states But In my church work I have been to #1 Houston not to Houston but to Dallas, Texas # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: A couple of times and to Uh Church camp Junaluska in North Carolina I was supposed to go to Nashville I was invited to serve as a counselor Vocation Weekend Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Uh Some time ago and I was not able to go because of being ill Interviewer: #1 Was this a # 456: #2 And I missed some other trips because of that # Interviewer: #1 The church or # 456: #2 This was a woman's society # #1 The women's work # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: Sort of difficult to talk about the women's work what Because the name has changed the organization has changed two or three times Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Uh in the last few years And we Are now completely reorganized Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh this is the really the first year Of the new organization I am the first district president of the new organization Interviewer: Congratulations Uh I was Just Just wondering if um You know and I asked about the politics if Uh I've been reading in the newspaper about the Equal Rights Amendment 456: #1 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 In Florida # So I was wondering if 456: Well we haven't been too busy uh about that Here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: I think we I think most of us agree that uh There are certain rights that women should Have Maybe that We do not have but For the most part I think we're pretty happy as we are Interviewer: You don't Don't think there's much um Organization around 456: No there isn't Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Not so far as I know I've not been drawn into it Interviewer: Um And tell me some about your Your parents um Where was your mother born and 456: My mother was the daughter of a Baptist preacher and she was born in Georgia Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Um And uh Most of her folks Were in Georgia Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: My father Was a Floridian Oh course his folks His folks came from everywhere Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But uh he was the first settler in Port St. Joe And um he uh Lived in Iola Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 And uh around this area and the Wewahitchka area until we moved to Port St Joe # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Do you know where he was born? 456: I think he was born in Iola Or he wasn't born in Iola but it was close It was close by there a Place they call Stone's Mill Interviewer: #1 I've seen that on a map uh-huh # 456: #2 Stone's Mill # Interviewer: #1 Your father was a Stone # 456: #2 My father was a Stone # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: {B} Interviewer: Hmm That um Is that in I What's now Gulf County 456: Yes it's in now it's in Gulf County now But so many of their folks were Around Blountstown Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Just about everybody in Blountstown's came to be I think Interviewer: {NW} 456: And uh there's a family burial place uh just down in Blountstown that's called um Chipola Interviewer: Hmm 456: And so there were a lot of our family In that area Interviewer: Do you know um Where your family came from before they came over to #1 To Florida # 456: #2 They came from England and # Uh some of them settled in Maryland and South Carolina And Uh we uh just this summer have started working on our genealogy and we still have a lot to learn Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But Interviewer: #1 Do you think you're mm-hmm # 456: #2 It's been most interesting # Interviewer: They settled in Maryland and South Carolina? 456: Mm-hmm Interviewer: #1 This is your father's # 456: #2 But # This is my father's uh Family Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: My mother's uh family also came from England but I Don't know too much about them Interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 What about # 456: #2 But there are # Stone's everywhere cuz my great grandfather had twenty-nine sons and four daughters Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 456: #2 So that was # There are Stone's all over this country Interviewer: {NW} 456: And Whenever you see Uh {X} Um If they're real nice people {NW} they came to us Interviewer: {NW} 456: {NW} Cuz I know there are Stone's of all all kinds Interviewer: Uh-huh This uh This park down here is named for your family 456: Dedicated To my father named for my father mm-hmm {B} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: There are signs from uh Tallahassee all along the You know and from uh The other way through Um Blountstown you know and and like that way from Tallahassee There are many signs Interviewer: Hmm Would you know where um you said your mother was born in Georgia 456: #1 My mother was born in Georgia near Macon I believe # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 456: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # What um What about your parents' education? 456: Well uh they were not highly educated My immediate parents neither of them was highly educated #1 They had # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: Well I would say a little less than normal Interviewer: Would 456: They did have an education but they were not Interviewer: #1 Would you guess fifth or sixth grade or something like that? # 456: #2 They did not go to to college # My father went Oh no they went much higher than that But uh my father uh went to Business college after he was Interviewer: Hmm 456: Twenty-one Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Columbus, Georgia Interviewer: Mm-hmm You'd guess then that your parents each had about an eighth grade education? 456: No really My mother I don't know just how much she had But I think she had more than he had he really didn't have a great deal Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And I don't know just how much he had Interviewer: Mm-hmm So it sounds Um It sounds like they had a Pretty good education for Back then if if he was able to go to business college later 456: Well he went to business college after he was twenty-one Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: But he helped his father so much I I think his father was more interested in Was not as interested in education as my daddy was Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Later on Cuz my daddy was determined that all of his children and grandchildren Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Should receive a college education And he worked toward that Interviewer: Did um Let's see What work did your parents do 456: My father was in turpentine Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: My mother was just a housewife I shouldn't say just a housewife because that's a big job Interviewer: {NW} 456: She had her hands full Interviewer: Yeah a lot of you children there 456: There were five children there would have been six but the first one died at six months Interviewer: What about um Your grandparents on your mother's side 456: I know very little about them They were As I said my Grandfather was a mass minister he was a baptist minister Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And we're methodist But I only saw him when I was a tiny Tiny little girl and of course don't remember him And um Just never asked too many questions about Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 Her people I know she had a lot of # Uh relatives and uh Oh We visited them At times well Bryant lives in Oh a lot of difference Melrose A bunch of names but Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: We did not keep as close touch in uh close touch with him as we did the people in this area Interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you think your Your mother's parents were both born in Georgia 456: I uh think so I don't know how long they had been in Georgia Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And I don't know where they came from to Georgia #1 Except that they I know originally they came from England # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Mm-hmm Do you know what um How far they got in school or Anything like that 456: No I uh Don't know Interviewer: What about your um Father's Parents 456: Well my father's um I don't know just when they came to this area But one of them Stone's was given a land grant On the um {NS} Oh I don't know I don't even know where it was But that's what we're trying to find out now you know just uh More about our it's only recently that we've started Studying the genealogy of this family Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: They were prominent people In Maryland they were Friends of George Washington they were during the Revolutionary I mean the Beginning of the country you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And they were friends of uh Of uh George Washington and they were Inter married with Many of the leading families you know in America And we They just All all just scattered around Mm-hmm And then after they settled in Montgomery my grandfather Um my father's father was born Uh In Montgomery or in or In that area Interviewer: Montgomery, Alabama? 456: Uh-huh and he was the one we are not sure whether he was the great grandfather or the Grandfather That we are Working on Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But He is the one who had twenty-nine He had seven wives Twenty-nine children Twenty-nine sons and four #1 I mean twenty-nine children all together # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: There were four daughters I believe in the family I think I made the wrong statement back earlier Twenty-nine all together now there is some disagreement about it There's one member of our family that says there were thirty-two {NW} But I think the twenty-nine is correct There would have been twenty-five sons and four daughters Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 456: #2 And so twenty-nine # Interviewer: What um Do you think your your grandfather Is either your grandfather or your great grandfather was born in Montgomery 456: Yes And then they came uh he is buried Uh This His name was Henry either Jessie or Dessie Stone Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: That Is something we're not sure about some of the family say it's Dessie and some say it's Jessie Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But we're sure he's the same one because it couldn't have been another one in that big family #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 456: But he is buried we know that he is buried in Iola Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And we can't get there now except by boat It's just all grown up that area Interviewer: Hmm 456: And you can only reach it by boat Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about your your grandmother On your father's side 456: Uh my grandmother was a Yon Interviewer: #1 A what? # 456: #2 And # Y-O-N Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: And the two families were Greatly intermingled Yon's and Stone's They married and intermarried Interviewer: Hmm 456: And #1 There was a lot of cousins marrying you know # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # That's That's kind of a Unusual name do you know what 456: Y-O-N No I don't know too much about that but I'm trying to find out Interviewer: Hmm 456: I know that the Yon's and the Yon family There are quite a few Terrell Higdon's and that was my dad's name Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And in the Stone family there were quite a few Interviewer: Hmm 456: It's a very popular name Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um But you don't know where your your grandmother was born 456: No In this area I think Probably around Blountstown Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But I don't know where the Yon's came from They are in Texas there are a lot of our people in Texas and then uh Um Atlanta Montgomery And I heard some yesterday in Birmingham I'm sure they came to us {NW} They would have to be everywhere Interviewer: Gosh 456: I've just gotten acquainted with some in Atlanta Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And Interviewer: Did you get to go up to Atlanta recently? 456: No Um I wrote I found uh Out about him through another cousin who is a new cousin Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And he has a son who Lives in Orlando That is uh Working on the family history Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: I've not yet contacted him but plan to do so soon Interviewer: Sounds pretty interesting Just this Meeting all #1 The relatives that you never # 456: #2 Mm-hmm # #1 We've # Interviewer: #2 Met before # 456: #1 Visited some of the graveyards you know when we've gotten some information there # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: {NW} Interviewer: Are you active in the historical society? 456: Oh yes We have a small historical group here just twelve members Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh it is limited to twelve members Our bylaws provide that And of course we do try to keep active members Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: In the group When people can't be active Uh they resign and we elect others Interviewer: Hmm Did you do much work uh at the museum Or 456: #1 You talked with Ms Brant some # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 456: And she can tell you more about the historical society at the museum than anyone else because #1 She worked there for many years I'm sure she told you that # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: But the society has uh Has backed quite a lot of programs and and we are Really very proud of what this little group has accomplished Of course Oh we don't have much money and so we don't do A great deal money wise but we Sponsor Different projects you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And it's through our group and through our sponsoring these programs that they have come about and we are very Keeping Up the #1 Grounds the cemetery grounds and uh there are a number of uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: Interesting spots around here and we have put out quite a lot of uh Markers Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And um Uh we built a gazebo and uh Cemetery grounds which was quite a pro- project it took us quite some time to do And getting the right kind of Sign up over the cemetery grounds uh Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: So many of the things we've had to work on quite a long time before we Got them done and just recently we have gotten new Shelf cases in the museum and that is something else we've been working on for a long time because we've Had so many artifacts and things that we wanted to display Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: That we've had to keep In the background until we had A place to display them #1 So that is our most recent accomplishment # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: Of A renovation All the things you see in uh in order to make room for these things you know for the new cases Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: That sort of thing Interviewer: I went by there 456: #1 It's been a lot of fun # Interviewer: #2 Sunday {X} # 456: It's been a lot of fun we've had some most interesting programs The historical society And um um When we were ten years old we had A program on the and our annual meeting On the society itself rather than the history of the area And it was most interesting I think we're about sixteen years old now I'm not positive #1 But # Interviewer: #2 You've been active in it # #1 Since it was built # 456: #2 From the beginning uh-huh # I wasn't uh One of the very first members but Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: I did attend the first annual meeting I was a member By that time Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um Let's see did Did you know um Going back to your father's parents did you know what what sort of work they did Did they work in turpentine too 456: No uh They had a mill And they also had a grist mill they had a lumber mill #1 And they had a grist mill # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: my daddy used to float logs down the river {NW} And in his youth Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh uh beyond that I I don't know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But my father After he came to this To Port St. Joe and was in Turpentine business Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh {B} Whose family Has lived a long time at Over Street Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Was in this with him In the beginning Not very long uh because I remember when I was a very small child that Uh he was no longer here #1 But it was only for a short period that they were together in this business # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 456: And {NW} I know that the Lord took care of us As children Because there were rattlesnakes all over this place it was not built up Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: There were Uh There was a commissary and there were houses for the #1 Mostly negroes you know who worked # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 456: And uh there there after the town began to build up it was still sparsely settled you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And there were rattlesnakes all over this place and every kind of a snake And we just walked all over them We'd picked berries in the woods and We paddled around in the ponds {NW} And uh there were two Uh branches Uh I don't know if you understand #1 There was just streams of water of you know we had to cross we'd # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: wade through to go to my daddy's turpentine place Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And as small children we did that quite a bit And we used to watch them #1 Uh build barrels you know to send the stuff away in # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: And I used to love to do that And uh We used to hear thunder in the heavens and It sounded to me just like those barrels rolling around Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 456: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 456: #2 # But we Many times were just in a very few feet of huge alligators and we never thought anything about it Interviewer: #1 Didn't think about fright being frightened of course we didn't want to step on a snake # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 456: We avoided them but We they were all over the place and it's it's just a marvel that none of us were ever bitten Interviewer: Mm-hmm Uh You were married {X} Is your husband #1 Still living # 456: #2 Yes um # Interviewer: #1 # 456: #2 # Uh my husband came from Tallahassee his folks came from Georgia Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: But I met him in Tallahassee And we lived there for three years after we were married Interviewer: He was born in Tallahassee? 456: No he was born in Georgia Whigham, Georgia But uh Interviewer: #1 His folks came from Georgia and I don't know where else # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: Now his His mother's family Um Goes back to The very Beginning you know And it's difficult it's always difficult For me to remember that name but her Aunt I mean her uncle She wa- she was a direct descendant From this uncle way back Who was given um A Land grant In Manhattan island And you may know about that because there are a lot of people who were concerned with that This uh what is now Manhattan Island was a land grant which was given to the King of England To This #1 Man this uncle # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: And uh that He leased his property for a period of ninety-nine years and at the end of ninety-nine years The land and everything that had been put on it during that time was to go back to the family And when the period was over this land now was his was over There was Um There were many Uh Branches of the family you know who tried to get this Settled Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But Possession is nine points of the law you know what they say And uh there was never any settlement made And they did offer twenty million dollars one time #1 But the family refused it because it was worth so much more than that you know that they # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: They just didn't feel that was a fair offer Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But at that time what was A number of years ago must've been about Oh it must've been Forty or fifty years ago fifty years ago Uh they uh #1 That this offer of three million was made and of course you know it's worth a great deal more than now than it would've been then # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: No settlement was ever made but it it is sort of like a fairy story And uh in New York {NW} My mother and my brother And I made a trip to New York he was He is a law was a lawyer he's retired But He was taking a short course And while he Was studying my mother and I visited in that area And on this trip {NW} To Hyde Park Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: I found uh a lady from California who was also a desc- uh a descendant #1 Of this family on her father's side # Interviewer: #2 Really? # 456: And it was most interesting to talk with her Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: About it And we write with people every now and then who are descendants of this Of I don't know whether she was descended from the uh Same Henry Well I know she was #1 But whether she came down from his side or the mother's side you know well # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: It was interesting to talk with her Interviewer: Um How old is your husband 456: My husband is seventy-one Interviewer: And he's a Methodist too? 456: Yes Interviewer: What about his education? 456: He I I'm not sure whether he had one or two years of college Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} Pretty good For Somebody that age um What about is he very active in um Church or clubs or anything 456: He is um Active in church in Sunday School class and um He served as usher and and on the board of uh The official board #1 Two or three times # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: And uh He is Very active in The Masonry A shrine Interviewer: Is that the um The same organization that's called The Shriners 456: Mm-hmm Interviewer: They had a convention in Atlanta did #1 Did y'all get to go to that # 456: #2 No we didn't go but uh he # He has attended uh All of those in this area Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But we haven't we haven't gone to Atlanta We might do that one of these days Uh the work that he did he was a railroad man Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 And uh the hours that he had did not permit him to be very active in anything you know until after his retirement # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: He did Serve uh in In the church in several different offices but uh He couldn't he wasn't really free to serve Very much Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 Anyway until after he retired # And since then he has been most active In the Mason's And the Shriner's And uh and in the Shrine He's been a Shriner for several years Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And he has uh Uh been responsible for Getting two children in our area in the One of them in hospital for burns You know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh another little child that was crippled had a crippled arm Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 And he is still working with those two # The little child that was burned It's been several years And he is still making trips Back and forth you know to The hospitals Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But The the little boy who was crippled uh They've been only working with him for the uh I believe the last year Interviewer: Mm-hmm Do you know what sort of work your Um Husband's parents did? Or 456: His father was a farmer Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh Later they moved to Tallahassee and And they had a A store in Jones Station out on the edge of town Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: That is in his younger days he was a farmer Interviewer: And um Now could you tell me some about {NS} About what this community's like 456: Uh this is my husband Ralph This young lady is {B} And she's oh Taking a survey for of She's a graduate of Emory University and she is making a survey and she was just asking some questions about the early days in this Community Of course he doesn't know too much about that because he only came after we were married you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: He doesn't know too much about the early days but he could tell you a lot more about what's in the area now than I can Interviewer: Mm-hmm Tell me something about um This community how much it's It's changed since you Were growing up in it and 456: Hmm Well in the early days you didn't dare have a party without asking everybody in town that's not true any longer {NS} It really has grown {NS} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Quite a lot Ralph when we uh when you Came here Uh do you remember about what the population was? Aux: Oh something in between the #1 Five or six hundred I suppose # 456: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 After the paper mill came and it began growing but it was a very small community until after the paper mill came # Aux: #2 In nineteen nineteen thirty-four # #1 When I first came in here # 456: #2 Mm-hmm # Aux: #1 # 456: #2 # Several of the churches were organized within the Methodist church the Methodist church was the first Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And it was organized in nineteen ten Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh The man who was organized the church served as Sunday school superintendent for Twenty-two years Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And then during those years uh several groups came in the Baptists and the Episcopal And the Presbyterian And they were all organized in our church And then uh There were But before these churches were organized All the services were held there and in the early days we had a lot of Working together you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And many of our services were held together and in The early years there were Oh we did not have a A A Pr- minister residing Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 In the community # The ministers in the early years lived in Wewahitchka and would only come down in the beginning One Sunday out of the year I mean out of the week Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: #1 Out of each month # 456: #2 I mean month # Out of the month And uh then uh That was not true for such a long time though When the other churches were organized They would have different Sundays and we #1 Visited the other churches when we were not # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: In service #1 And they visited ours # Interviewer: #2 Was # Was Wewahitchka a much younger community 456: Yes Wewahitchka is much older than Port St Joe #1 But I don't know how old Wewahitchka is # Aux: #2 It is not older though # 456: #1 Not # Aux: #2 Older than the old # #1 Town of St Joseph # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: #1 I really don't # Aux: #2 Which was # #1 About a mile south of here where it was # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Aux: At the time. Interviewer: Was You mentioned uh The turpentine um Was that A long time ago with Did they sort of have a turpentine camp around here? 456: Well uh my father and um This Other man had the business here and in that was all that was here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: In the beginning Just a turpentine camp uh Uh they had uh Little cottages that were built you know in the quarters for the people who #1 Worked for him # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: And for a long time it was just That #1 And then in when the railroad came in people began moving in and that the and uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: Spreading out #1 They but # Aux: #2 And they were the first # Turpentine Camp here I heard your daddy say Was right over here on #1 Uh across this road here on the um waterfront there # Interviewer: #2 Hmm # 456: Mm-hmm yes that's right when we were little Aux: That uh Whatever Whatever this gulf station is here right straight across from it Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: Over there on the 456: And he had a commissary for the Uh Groceries you know and and um needs Of the people who worked for it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And um there was a post office While he was over there it was called Indian Pass Post Office Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And it was several years later before the name was changed you know Port St. Joe But they called the post office Indian Pass Interviewer: Indian Pass is down #1 South of here # 456: #2 And down mm-hmm # #1 Few miles down # Aux: #2 About ten ten miles south of here # And it's not on ni- ninety-eight it's on uh #1 It's # Interviewer: #2 Thirty or something # Aux: It's thirty Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: On thirty or thirty E whatever they call it But The pass itself there's not right on the On the road that is there's a big Uh It used to be I don't know whether they still operate the store down there or not it #1 It might {X} # 456: #2 Yes they do # Yes they do Aux: Yeah And they were in the tur- in the nail sort of business too Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: His uh Mr Mayfield he's dead now but his son still lives down there Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # Aux: #2 And turn the right and then # In other words uh In front of his place you go down on the what's called the Pass the Indian Pass in there 456: When I first uh I used to hear about Indian Pass I thought they meant that area Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Uh but speaking of the post office it was right here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Um Back in the earlier days Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 And my daddy was the first post master # Interviewer: When did the railroad come in here 456: Nineteen ten I believe Interviewer: Uh-huh Um Has this area changed much in the past ten years or so Ten or twenty years Have there Been a lot of tourists 456: There's been a lot of building And we do Do have quite a lot of visitors at the museum and at the Though at the old cemetery And also The park Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: On that peninsula Interviewer: But I mean you're You're what about forty or fifty miles from Panama City 456: #1 Thirty-six # Aux: #2 Thirty-six # Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: Thirty-six miles from Panama City Interviewer: Have you gotten people um Sort of branching out from Panama City um You know the People who have moved down to To Florida or Any retirement areas or Any you know new development #1 Along that line # 456: #2 Well Mexico Beach # #1 Uh we had a lot of people retired people out in that area # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: Now that was uh In in those early days there were maybe two two or three cottages on the beach the entire beach down this way And since then the beaches have grown up #1 And they # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: We think we're settled {NS} And we have a lot of retired people but we don't have any special area for retired people We do have a lot of retired people Out there we do have some here Interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 But has it been # 456: #2 Port St Joe # Interviewer: #1 Yeah # Aux: #2 Mexico Beach and Beacon Hill # Which is the oldest settlement on the beach high Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: Between here and Panama City And then St Joe Beach Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # Aux: #2 Is all uh in there on the # But then St Joe Beach you uh had in there first but you can't hardly Well you can tell too because Uh there is a space you might say between St Joe Beach and uh Beacon hill is not anything in there Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: And then Beyond that end when you get through Beacon Hill you go right into Mexico Beach it's just a continuation 456: But Mexico Beach is not in our county it's in Bay County Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: We we really feel that they belong to us because we educate their children Interviewer: #1 Oh really? # 456: #2 But uh and we're so close you know # Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 456: #2 But it's really in Bay County # Aux: Now their children all all of Bay I mean all of Mexico Beach all the beaches out there Between This side of town up hill come here in Port St Joe all over there more than any other county Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: It that county over there Provides Compensation for the state of Florida Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: To this county Interviewer: Uh I'd like to to get an idea of what the um The house that you grew up in Looks like did Or did you move uh A whole lot or 456: I uh well The First Little log house My daddy lived in when he came Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: My family did not live in it Uh The first house that my mother lived in was another little house he built over here On the beach Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 This area # Uh close to the turpentine still Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And um I don't know how long we were in that But my first memory is of this big building That was Downtown There was a uh Store downstairs and for a town post office was in that building It was a large area Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: For the post office And uh there was an upstairs and we lived upstairs and for a time We served meals up there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: There were a number of rooms up there that were Rented out Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 And we served meals when I was a small child # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: While I was Still small About five I think we moved into another house Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And lived there for A number of years and when I think I was in the sixth grade we moved to this street A house down on the corner So we moved several times #1 And # Aux: #2 That house is still # 456: This house is still standing Aux: Yeah 456: And the Other house that I moved in from the large one Is uh still standing but it's been moved in over near the schools Interviewer: Mm-hmm Could you sort of um Make a sketch of it for me I I'd like to see just Sort of A rough um floor plan you know what how many rooms there were #1 And where they were # 456: #2 Well # Well well the last house we lived in and our family home now is down across from the motel Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: #1 {X} # 456: #2 And uh we # Aux: That Stone was the old Stone house now yeah they lived there for the last What uh Forty-five years or #1 Fifty matter of fact in fact it's vacant now it's right on the corner across from the motel down right down there # 456: #2 It's about fifty years that the last fifty years the family was living in this house # Aux: #1 Uh town there right out on that corner # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Aux: Between here and town Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: Down Block further than the bank Interviewer: Do you think you could sort of make a sketch Just 456: #1 I don't think I can {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Not anything well # Aux: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 Not anything real detailed or # You know not just just to give me an idea of how many 456: Well It has two gables on the front Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 456: #2 And uh it's uh # Sort of stick roof isn't it sort of stick I can't tell without looking at it But uh it Aux: And it had a front porch 456: #1 Front porch is on the front and on on the side and on this side # Aux: #2 And round on the # Uh on the around the corner of the living room there So it had It had a hallway That goes from the front door to the Until it go around on the back porch And then on the left hand side as you go in there's a living room And then what you call the library Then our dining room And a Pantry And a kitchen And another pantry back there out of the kitchen So that you get to have two pantries I called it One of them Uh which was it 456: Excuse me just a minute Aux: One of them was between the dining room and the And the kitchen and then the other went out in the kitchen and it had a back porch Bath There next to it in the bedroom And there were two bedrooms Downstairs and two bedrooms upstairs Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: It's still standing down there they Um Had some people that you know after Her mother died they Well even before her mother died by back in July they Uh She was staying here with us before we got her in you know Had to take her to the hospital Anyway people could break in there Looking for Not for 456: Oh #1 Something about having # Aux: #2 {X} their money # 456: This is our house It was the first nice house that was built In St. Joe it was a Uh Interviewer: Hmm 456: The first one and they put it on post cards you know and Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And um people uh I have a post card that a friend of mine received while her brother was Uh in St. Joe Aux: #1 You talking about this house # 456: #2 I'm talking about this is this house # Aux: Mm-hmm 456: And and the early days Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And I this is uh This is the house we're talking about that's the Stone house Interviewer: Hmm How many rooms were there in there 456: Well downstairs There is on one side is the living room and the library And the dining room and uh a little Pantry butler's pantry And the kitchen on one side that's one two three Aux: #1 {X} How about the other pantry # 456: #2 Living room dining room # That's four big rooms Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 And they're huge rooms # Interviewer: #1 On the left side # 456: #2 On the mm-hmm # Yes On this side Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh then uh there's the hall in between and on the other side There are two Huge bedrooms Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And then there's another little uh Uh the porch Original porch on that side was enclosed in another small room made in there which is open into this uh This Big bedroom on the front And there's a b- uh kitchen on that side and a bath on that side and a back porch Interviewer: Two kitchens in that house 456: Two kitchens in the house uh-huh Because uh in later years Uh #1 Momma rented an apartment on that side # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: #1 And uh then upstairs # Aux: #2 But originally it wasn't originally that way # 456: Upstairs uh there are two big rooms Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 And a large hall # Which could be used for for a small bedroom if you wanted to And has been #1 When it was needed and then there's a bath upstairs # Aux: #2 And a bath # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: So there are three baths in the house #1 Course this fence was taken down a long time ago you know but # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm # 456: This was I think this picture was made Um daddy had just painted it And it was not too long after we'd bought it and he had just painted it so #1 This fence was still out there then and it stayed there for some time but # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: #1 Let's move this mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 This porch went all around the corner # 456: The porch Uh the porch went this far Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 This is the dining room and kitchen back here and the porch went back through that um oh library # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And it was down that far Right now uh daddy before he died not Now some time before he died he built on a little porch here you know Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 Closed in a section of it right here # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 And so that's what it's for then on the other side there was a porch it was closed in # Aux: #2 No he didn't build on a porch he just # 456: #1 No I that's what I mean he closed it he didn't screen it in honey he he built the wall here because he wanted to sleep out there you know # Aux: #2 Screen it in that corner there yeah well that's right the wall yeah # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And so that's on the bay side you know such a nice breeze around there Aux: Now this right here now where the this is the front out here where these gables are this is a A side view Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: From from here #1 On the # 456: #2 Mm-hmm # Aux: Streets going down towards the water 456: If I had a small picture of it I'd give it to you but I Don't have a small one This is another house that my daddy owned both of these Interviewer: Did you ever live in that house 456: No I never lived there but it was one that he had it's been torn down Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: No that's house wasn't torn down it was re Remodeled and it's still a home 456: This house has been torn down Aux: #1 Isn't that the old town home huh # 456: #2 No no # It's down there on the corner this is the Wilson the Lewis House #1 And this was on the corner # Aux: #2 Oh yeah that's right the old # #1 This is the old uh Wilson House huh yeah # 456: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: Did you ever live in this house here 456: This is the one I'm living in now Interviewer: #1 This is # 456: #2 This is our home # #1 It is on one of these # Interviewer: #2 Which side is which side is this # 456: Uh-huh that's the front See we had it recolored And it doesn't look like it now but it hadn't been changed except that uh porch Uh on the Hey that's not it That's the wrong house #1 that's not it no # Aux: #2 No that's not it I # 456: we have two uh #1 It it it looks sort of like it you know from the front # Aux: #2 You've got a picture of our # 456: #1 No but I couldn't I wouldn't know where to find that we do have uh the one that I have is a postcard picture # Aux: #2 But it it's a postcard picture # 456: #1 And that's not it # Aux: #2 No that I didn't I I hadn't seen this uh {X} # 456: #1 Well I just grabbed it up and I was thinking just uh you know it used to look similar to that # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But uh Oh before we bought it Jones family was the second oldest family here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: They built this house and uh Then after her husband died Years later she Enclosed this Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 Porch # On this side And the porch did go all the way around just like it does on here you know Interviewer: All the way around all four sides of the house 456: #1 Uh no it's not on the back but uh # Aux: #2 No it doesn't on three sides though # 456: #1 All three sides about half way on that side it was about halfway # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Aux: This is 456: #1 And # Aux: #2 The porch is still around on this side # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But this is the house next door Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Over there and this is our house right here see Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Course you don't get don't see much of it But you You do see that it was similar to Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 To the this side of the house # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 456: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # You know um Those porches that That would um Go around the The house like that did Did you ever have any um Special names for For different types of porches #1 Like # 456: #2 We just said porch # Interviewer: Mm-hmm I was wondering if you Say a Ever heard of piazza or um #1 Gallery # 456: #2 We never said that # Interviewer: Any of those 456: I never heard anybody in this area say that Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: Now I've heard people say veranda but it's But Not very much Interviewer: What does veranda mean 456: It's porch Interviewer: Just any porch or 456: Just porch Interviewer: Okay 456: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 Yeah I # Interviewer: Uh 456: It didn't make any difference what it does but it went all the way around here it was just a little teeny one jutting out you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 But it was all porch to us # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Did you ever see any houses that had the uh Kitchen separate from the rest of the house 456: Not in this area Now uh Aux: #1 I have seen them myself # 456: #2 Well I've seen them and uh they are some in Wewahitchka # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And um In Blountstown where some of our folks live there the kitchen was separate they had a walk way Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 A board walk # Between the two Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh but A lot of the houses were built that way but but not Here Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: Do you know the reason why it was done built that way Interviewer: #1 If there's a fire I guess # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm # That was a Fire protection for Cuz there was more danger of fire and Interviewer: Mm-hmm Aux: #1 There's more cooking # 456: #2 We just don't go quite that far back # Interviewer: Yeah it I guess that is a A lot older Um Tell me about the fireplace in the house the The thing that the smoke goes up through you'd call the 456: Chimney Interviewer: Okay 456: Flue Interviewer: Uh-huh Did What if it's on say a Um A factory With The big thing that the smoke goes up through Would you have another name for that 456: Smoke stack Interviewer: Okay And um The open place on the floor in front of the fireplace Aux: #1 That's just called a hearth # 456: #2 Hearth # Interviewer: A what's that 456: H-E-A-R-T-H Aux: Hearth 456: A hearth Interviewer: What how do you 456: I was taught to say hearth but it spells hearth Interviewer: Okay And uh The things that you lay the wood across 456: Well uh we didn't in my house #1 We just uh # Aux: #2 You mean in in inside the fireplace? # 456: No well you're talking about Aux: #1 You call 'em dogs # 456: #2 To hold the # Aux: Wood uh uh dogs Fire dogs Interviewer: #1 Is that # 456: #2 Or andirons either one # Interviewer: #1 Which one # 456: #2 Fire dogs andirons # Interviewer: Which one did you call it when you were growing up? 456: Well we didn't have any in in our fire places to begin with Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And when we moved into this house there was a grate Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: You know with a A part that jutted up that they had wood in but the {X} In this house Um This one Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 There were grates in there all the fireplaces # and we didn't have any andirons Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: In our House down there On the corner I guess there were fire dogs in there or andirons I just don't remember too much about them Interviewer: Mm-hmm And the thing up above the fireplace it 456: Mantle Interviewer: Okay Any other name for that? Okay um And say if you were gonna start a fire what kind of wood would you use? 456: Well Whatever was available Interviewer: #1 What mm-hmm # 456: #2 We used oak and pine # Aux: Not not for a starter 456: To start it Or we got fat Uh laddered Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 456: #2 Uh s- s- # We uh we cut splinters Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: And to get it started Aux: Well did you ever use any uh #1 The stuff # 456: #2 I just used kerosene # Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: To start it Aux: So you have but these scrapings from the uh #1 The turpentine still you never used that? # 456: #2 We never used those we never used those we used # Uh we'd Oh I've gone out in the w- in the backyard a many a time early in the morning before it was hardly daylight To cut splinters off a real fat piece of W- light wood you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: It was real fat Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 Juicy # And I've cut splinters out there Real early in the morning when it was very cold and down there and build a fire on the stove cuz I always got the stove started Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: When I was growing up The boys brought the wood in but I always got things started and if they didn't have any splinters there I had to go get them Interviewer: You know um you might have a Big piece of wood that You'd set Sort of toward the back of the fireplace and Maybe it'd burn all night long Did 456: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Did you have a name for that 456: Mm-mm #1 It was just all firewood for us # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # But I'm talking about real big pieces Aux: #1 Yeah # 456: #2 Yeah well we used to # We had those of course Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 But we just well # Aux: #2 We called it a back log though wouldn't you # 456: #1 # Aux: #2 # #1 Usually that was a something like a oak or hickory some of that hard wood that # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm uh-huh # Aux: Burns slow Interviewer: Did you ever hear the expression back log or was that used in this area? 456: Well not in connection with um The fireplaces that I knew about Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But It could very well have been used Interviewer: Um 456: We just called it wood Interviewer: Uh-huh And then The black stuff that forms in the chimney 456: Smut #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay # 456: Or soot #1 Either word # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # And um The things you have to shovel out of the fireplace is the 456: Ashes uh-huh Interviewer: Okay And talking about things that you have in a room um This thing right here is called a Or or that over there is called a 456: Well Just chairs Interviewer: Okay 456: Rocker course that one's a rocker Interviewer: Uh-huh And this thing that we're sitting on now 456: We call davenport But now we say couch Interviewer: Mm-hmm Any other names? 456: Do you Interviewer: #1 Do you see # 456: #2 Uh settee # Uh the smaller ones uh We might have called settees Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Or if it was a large one though it was davenport Interviewer: What about sofa? 456: Or sofa Well we say sofa now or couch Interviewer: Uh-huh #1 And then you just uh the what you just called a # 456: #2 Mm-hmm sofa well I guess really sofa's the better word # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But it used to be davenport Interviewer: Mm-hmm What um Different things did you have in your bedroom to keep clothes in? 456: Well we had a We had A wardrobe Interviewer: What's that like? 456: And uh a chest Uh what do we call this chest Momma had? A wardrobe is a Aux: Well she had a cedar chest but she also had a closet too 456: Well Well she's talking about in the o- old days aren't you Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Course this house down there has um #1 Several closets in it but our # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: This house didn't have any closets in it when we came here They built a couple I think We had to build all the closets Interviewer: Mm-hmm But The clothes used to be kept m- mostly in these wardrobes as a cabinet Tall Mm-hmm 456: Piece of furniture that Maybe would have drawers on one side and uh #1 Closet type on the other side of the door opened you know had long enough to put dresses and things like that in it # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm # 456: #1 And then # Interviewer: #2 Did it have a mirror on it? # 456: Uh mm-hmm Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 I guess so the furniture we we used here was just like we used everywhere else at that time # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Anything that just had drawers in it? 456: Yes Well we had uh you know we didn't have bathrooms back in the Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Early days in the we had what we called wash stands Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And with big bowls pitchers and bowls you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh It had a A little rack on the back instead of a Of a Mirror you know like you'd have on a dresser Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: It'd have a rack on the back to hang your towels on Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And uh I don't have one But My mother got rid of the ones that she had but we used to use those in the bedrooms you know to put the Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: To keep your water in y- A big pitcher to keep your water in and then a bowl to Bathe in And of course when you took a bath you brought a tub in you know and Hot wat- {NW} But just wash your face you know and something like that you know when you use those bowls Pitchers And they were pretty too Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 Beautiful things # Interviewer: #1 # 456: #2 # Interviewer: #1 What about # 456: #2 We used to have chambers too # Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: Do you know about chambers Interviewer: #1 I think I know what you mean # 456: #2 Uh they're a little squat # Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: And uh a s- uh Sometimes I use those Taller Buckets Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: You know with a cover they call slop jars #1 And poured water in that you know your waste water when you took it uh # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 456: You would use the water at the Wash stand Pour the Waste water in there or #1 Also could sit on it you know to # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # What did they have out in the #1 Out in the yard # 456: #2 And we used to have a d- uh j- a johnny out in the yard we can call it johnny I don't know what outhouse I guess # Interviewer: Uh-huh Any other names for that? #1 Joking names or # 456: #2 Uh # Interviewer: #1 # 456: #2 # I I don't know I don't remember what we call those things It's been a long time Interviewer: What um Other kinds of furniture might Might you have now for With just with drawers in it 456: Well we usually call them chests Now chest of drawers {NS} But What momma had in her room Was real {NS} she had a huge dresser with a triple mirror Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: A huge mirror in the middle and then two smaller ones on the side Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And it was oh it was covered a lot of territory it was about as wide as almost as wide as that um Wall over there Interviewer: #1 So it'd be about {X} # 456: #2 Was it real big # #1 Was it wasn't quite that wide but it was real wide # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # Uh-huh 456: And it had uh Several small drawers across the top you know and then beneath that some #1 Thicker drawers about like that # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 456: Two or three of those Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And that was what the dresser and then her chest Was All we I guess Her chest is about this high Interviewer: #1 And uh # 456: #2 It was just drawers # Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: On top the very top is two small ones and then the rest of 'em all Big drawers Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: And it had a mirror Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: On it Course the mirror was way up high Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: {X} Mirror it was about this wide and about that #1 Bout that deep I guess on top # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # #1 Did you ever hear of anything called a bureau or a chiffonier or a chifforobe? # 456: #2 Well # Um You know they said ch- bureau That's what she called hers Chiffonier No wait a minute I believe she called that chest of drawers a chiffonier Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: I believe she did Interviewer: What about bureau? Was that 456: A bureau would be the dresser I believe Interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 And uh # 456: #2 But we # #1 We didn't call it that we just called it a dresser # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # #1 Does that sound like uh-huh # 456: #2 A lot of people did say bureau # Interviewer: Does that sound more old fashioned to you or 456: Well bureau sounds more old fashioned to me than dresser Interviewer: Uh-huh And uh Something that you could have in In your windows Well not Like that something on rollers you could pull down To keep out the light 456: Oh shades uh-huh you use shades instead of blinds Interviewer: Mm-hmm And um Say if you had a um A little room at the top of the house Just underneath the roof 456: Well we didn't have one but you could call it an attic Interviewer: #1 Okay # 456: #2 I would think # Interviewer: And um You mentioned a {NW} Talking about the kitchen Was there any other name #1 Used to # 456: #2 Oh we did in this house here we did have a # There is an attic too #1 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 It's off i- it to get into it you go through the bedroom # Mm-hmm 456: And uh went through the closet Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 There's an opening in the back of the closet that goes into this attic # And We Put a whole bunch of trunks and old things up there that we didn't um We were not using Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And we called that attic Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But course {NS} Course in a lot of uh Old homes there's a is a room that's large enough to be used you know or lived in As a bedroom cause #1 You know we read about attic rooms you know living in attic rooms # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Mm-hmm 456: But this wouldn't have been very no windows in it or anything like that you know it's just up under the roof Interviewer: Mm-hmm And um The the kitchen did you Did you ever call that Ever hear any other word besides kitchen 456: Mm-mm Interviewer: Cook room or cook house 456: Mm-mm Interviewer: Any of those 456: Just kitchen Interviewer: And say if you had a lot of old worthless things that you were fixing to throw out you You might say That's not Not any good anymore that's just 456: Junk Interviewer: Huh 456: Junk Interviewer: Okay And a place where you might Store things that you didn't know what to do with 456: Oh well call it a junk room {NW} Interviewer: Okay #1 And uh # 456: #2 I suppose # Interviewer: Talking about um Daily housework you'd say Say if your house was all messy you'd say you had to #1 Do what? # 456: #2 We'd have to clean the house # Interviewer: Okay 456: #1 Clean up # Interviewer: #2 And uh # 456: I would usually say you have to clean up Interviewer: Mm-kay And the thing that people used to sweep with before they had vacuum cleaners 456: Well uh we used a Brooms but I can remember when I was real small Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: That uh Um Some people used a Grass you know that you'd get together and make a broom out of Grass broom Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And they swept With those and then there was something that was more sturdy than that they used to make um Yard brooms and they swept the yards Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you ever hear of people taking sand or something and And using that or To 456: To clean uh pots and Pans Interviewer: Or t- to clean the The Floors or something like that 456: No I've I've never heard of using sand to clean the floors but uh Iron pots Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: They used sand to clean iron pots Aux: Mable, did you ever use anything Like uh The old brush mop To to scrub floors with 456: No Aux: You know 456: We usually used our old sc- our old brooms when the brooms #1 Got old you know we used those for scrubbing # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 456: And save the newer ones for sweeping Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But we did have yard brooms to sweep the yard and we did Oh We never did very much but a lot of people did Have those uh Brooms that were made to sweep the floors Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Some of them were kind of messy cuz they'd break off you know #1 And then you'd have stuff there but # Aux: #2 What's that what you call a # 456: But They used feathers they had there were feather brooms you know to dust Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: #1 M- there's one down here now I think I'd taken it broom straw # Aux: #2 The broom's straw you know he drove up like that and he'd go out in the field and cut it # And uh Tie it up Like that Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But from the time I was a very small child we used regular brooms like we have now so I don't really know too much about those and I did see that so much {D: not an animal} Interviewer: Mm-hmm Say um If if your broom was in that corner there And the door's open like The door was open all the way You'd said that the broom was Where 456: In the corner Interviewer: Or in relation to the door you'd say the broom was 456: #1 Hind uh behind the door I guess I suppose # Interviewer: #2 Okay # And uh 456: We always tried to keep the brooms out of sight though Put them Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: You know anything cleaning utensils out of sight Interviewer: Mm-hmm Say on a on a two story house to get from the first floor up to the second floor you'd have a 456: Stairway Interviewer: Okay What about something outside from the um Ground up to the porch Well Say you're To get up to your porch you'd have a 456: Steps Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: To Well you Have s- Steps I guess Interviewer: Okay you'd never Would you call it steps inside the house 456: Well oh Aux: #1 {X} # 456: #2 Growing up we'd just call it a stairway # Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: Inside and in some places there's stairways on the outside Outdoor stairways up to the second floor you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: But We never had one Oh we did too When we lived in that uh Oh big old store building there was an outside stairway there was an inside stairway and there was also an outside way that was used for Mostly for the servants you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you have Servants when you were growing up 456: Yes We had um We had a cook And uh we We had um A washwoman And that's what we called her washwoman #1 We'd call her washwoman # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # Um Talking about the Um cleaning Your clothes you You'd say um A long time ago on Monday women usually did the What 456: Well we didn't do it {NW} Interviewer: #1 Like just # 456: #2 We used to gather our clothes up and and # Uh sent them to the quarters Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: And um Most most of the time we sent them to the quarters instead of having them washed at home Interviewer: Mm-hmm So 456: And so we didn't uh W- we just did it the first of the week we sent them the first of the week and we'd usually gather them the last of the week Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 456: #2 They kept them all week # Interviewer: So you'd say that You'd send #1 Send your clothes to the quarters to have the # 456: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: What done? 456: Have them Washed Interviewer: Uh-huh And after they were washed and dried you'd have to do the 456: Well they They ironed them they did all of it Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 456: #2 And brought them back they were ready to wear # Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you Is there any one word you'd use to talk about washing and ironing together? 456: I don't know whether they use the word laundry or not They may have Interviewer: Would you use that word now? 456: I would use it now to do the laundry That That to me that would include all of it Interviewer: Mm-hmm This um this quarters that You mentioned that's that's still where where it is now That um 456: Uh well now since the town has grown up #1 You see oh uh the # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 456: The railroad Goes Sort of divides this up side town and the other you know on that side mostly the negroes live but Until they built Highland View Interviewer: Until they built what? 456: Highland View That's a small Community On the water The Quarters the negro quarters were a little bit further back inland you know Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: And we just always Called them the quarters you know Interviewer: Uh-huh #1 Where's the # 456: #2 Then where the negroes live # Interviewer: #1 Oh okay # 456: #2 In there because none of them lived on this side of the railroad # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: Track Interviewer: Where's Highland View? 456: Highland View is is across Uh In that area but it's on the front you know on the water facing the water Interviewer: I don't think I've 456: We go right you go right through it going to Panama City you see Interviewer: #1 Is that # 456: #2 And they've got some buildings out # U- uh between the highway and the water out there Interviewer: Uh-huh 456: Most of it's On the other side Interviewer: There was a 456: But it's it's a white community out there the black community's further back Interviewer: The white community's Highland View? 456: #1 Yes the white community's Highland View # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 456: But it wasn't there for a long long time see it's only In recent years Interviewer: Mm-hmm 456: That it's been there wa- well In more recent years it's cause it's been it's been there for quite some time Interviewer: Mm-hmm What I was thinking of what when you said the quarter there That area that Avenue A #1 Throughout {X} is that that what used to be the quarter # 456: #2 Uh-huh yes that's right uh-huh that mm-hmm # Yeah I think lot of us would still say quarters Interviewer: Uh-huh So that's 456: Mm-hmm Interviewer: That's what I Thought you were referring to there Um If the door was open and you didn't want it to be you'd tell someone to 456: Close the door shut it Interviewer: Okay And uh You know some houses that On the outside they have this wood that laps over each other These boards that That lap over each other #1 Do you know what I mean # 456: #2 Huh # Oh Yes If it's a wooden house Interviewer: Uh-huh Do you know what that That type of Of board 456: Mm-mm