Interviewer: Did you ever heard of Clapboard or siding or weather 451: Well yes I suppose that that um Oh we could any of those words could have been used Interviewer: #1 What like # 451: #2 C-L-A-P isn't it B-O-A-R-D # Interviewer: Uh-huh 451: Um well of course I've heard that used and then siding Uh outside siding you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: {X} Interviewer: What did you usually hear it Hear it called 451: Well I just don't remember that I heard That I heard it called that much Interviewer: Uh-huh 451: But I think you would have said oh E- either either word would have been good clapboard it uh Uh Uh or siding Interviewer: Uh-huh 451: Or you might say outside siding Interviewer: Uh-huh What about weatherboarding 451: Weatherboarding Think we think of weatherboarding more in um In connection with uh Boarding up windows in times of storm or something like that Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: I mean that's That's the way I think of it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: We never did We never did that Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Uh there have been times when storms have been predicted that they board up the windows and the stores downtown but Not very many people boarded up their houses. Course I guess if we're right on the water We might do it Interviewer: There's never been a bad storm #1 Come through this city # 451: #2 There've been # Uh a there was a bad storm uh after The old town There've been times when um There've been Trees blown down and Maybe Shack of the buildings would fall down something like #1 that but # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 451: Well as a {NS: general rule} We don't really have very bad weather We have had it sometimes it blows real hard Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And there are people who get scared and leave town and then the Some of them have gotten in real storms you Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 451: #2 know # And wished they hadn't left home but as a general rule We had some wind And uh We have some damages but it Never amounts to a whole lot Interviewer: #1 Not anything like what happened to Gulfport or # 451: #2 Mm-mm # Interviewer: #1 Any of those things # 451: #2 Oh no no we've never # never had anything like that uh maybe a {NS: I'll} tell you We lived on Seventh Street before we moved around here after I was married Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: There was a building back there that had been used as a cook house I think Interviewer: #1 What do you mean cook house # 451: #2 Cook house well I mean it the cook # Cook lived it #1 There # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 451: In it Later it was used for a garage Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: {NW} but originally it was built for a cook house And it had been built when our house was built and it was Real shackled-y When we moved over there And um this storm came up Not too long after it was blowing real hard Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And we stood the children and I stood in the window and watched that thing it swayed back and forth almost hit the ground on both sides and I said well I hope it'll blow it down Well it didn't blow it down the next morning that thing was standing But uh there was a wall that was Blown out of uh Building out at the paper mill A brick building Interviewer: {NW} 451: There was something that was blown #1 out out there # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 451: But that was funny to me that old shackled-y building It It just went this way and that way And we stood in the window and watched it Interviewer: Uh-huh 451: a long time and it didn't blow down We finally had to knock it down Interviewer: Uh-huh Um You know Say if you were Hanging up a Picture or something you'd say I I took the hammer and I What the nail 451: #1 Hmm # Interviewer: #2 In # 451: Well I Think we'd say to hammered Interviewer: Or another word you might use I took the nail and I Took the hammer and I what the nail into the wall 451: Drove it into the wall Interviewer: And If it didn't get in far enough you'd say it's gotta be What in further Using that same word You say #1 It's gotta be # 451: #2 {X} # Well if it's driven in I oh I never did talk about them like that Interviewer: Okay And uh You know along the roof um The little things along the edge of the roof To carry the water off 451: Mm-hmm I don't know Interviewer: Do you have that #1 Um on the {X} # 451: #2 Yes uh yes # but I can't think of the word that That we use for that And the uh uh uh Older houses we didn't have them Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Cause water just Tumbled off Wherever it hit But Uh Interviewer: Say if it If there were Around fall Or some time you'd You'd have to get up and And clean the Leaves out of the 451: Well it wouldn't be dryings I {NS} have heard uh I heard them called dryings but um Aw shoot there's a word I just can't think of right now Interviewer: Did you call it um Troughs or gutters or canals 451: Hmm There's another word that we use I can't think of it Interviewer: What about when you have a house in an L That low place where the Two roofs come together Did you have a A name for that or 451: Not that I know of Interviewer: And um What sort of Let's see did You always lived at In the city or Or I mean this This was always Sort of a A small city 451: It was just a Well we just called it a small town Of course we we call it city now but uh For a long time we just said We just Thought of St. Joe as a small town course we are a small city Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: We're very small uh now how ma- I don't know what our population is now Somebody may have told you Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: But um Interviewer: Did um What sort of Buildings did you have um Around Say to keep your Your wood in or keep your tools in Did you have any special place for that 451: Well some people had wood houses Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: But we didn't we sat on what we call a wood pile in the back yard and my daddy has shot turkeys Wild turkeys Off the wood pile in the back yard and of course that was You know a long time ago Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: In uh the first days of this Old Community Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: But he did he shot shot turkeys. And they shot rattlesnakes in the backyard Interviewer: What what different buildings did you have around Besides your house 451: Uh well After the town began to grow up we had several store buildings and um Interviewer: But I mean on on your property 451: Oh on our property we didn't have anything except a We had a Cook house When we moved here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And we had a Down there we had We had a backyard that was uh Separated from the Front And there was a Oh there was a Barn out there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: For A couple of cows And we didn't when we were When I was little we had horses Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And mules And we didn't have cows And then later we had some cows I mean we had one cow just for family use for a while And while we were living down here on this street We had a cow And there was a place out there for her Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: I don't know what we called it shed house shed I guess Interviewer: Mm-hmm But 451: But it's also I think it was built originally for horses as well as cows you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And it was a right large building and Course it kept {X} Cow feed and stuff like that in there But it's been so long a- Go you know it's just I just don't think about it anymore Interviewer: Where did you keep pork 451: Uh well Well we had fresh pork We used to That was fresh Interviewer: What about 451: And we didn't uh we didn't try to keep it And my daddy used to we used to keep hams Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Have them cured and hang them in bacon you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Uh But we kept it in the kitchen we didn't have a Separate house to keep things like that in For so we use we usually Went ahead and used it you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 What about # 451: #2 {X} # Interviewer: What about um Feed for For your animals Where did you keep that 451: In this Building The only time that we well uh when we were in this huge building this old big Store building up town There was a building out there for that {NS: phone rings} But I didn't Interviewer: Did you ever have any special place for keeping corn Or keeping grain 451: Mm-mm Uh we Were never Farmers Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And uh my daddy had as as I told you the turpentine stand but we just we just did family doings Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: We didn't um Keep corn Daddy used to buy peanuts sometimes just for the family to eat and I would a bag of them Just uh there was a place in the kitchen their pantry That we kept things like that in Course we didn't have We didn't buy it in loads because we just bought it for family use Interviewer: Mm-hmm But did did you ever hear of a corn crib or 451: No we never had a corn crib or anything like that Interviewer: What what is a corn crib do Do people around here 451: Well People in the country have them but We didn't Interviewer: Mm-hmm And um Talking about the barn the upper part of the barn is called a 451: We never had any barns Interviewer: Do Do you know anything about the The barn though What do you call that upper The second story in the barn 451: Well Well some people call them corn cribs Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: But we didn't have them in this area Interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 What about the # 451: #2 And on back toward # Blountstown and and and the farming areas they had those things but We didn't have them around here Interviewer: What about the The part that you keep hay in #1 In the barn # 451: #2 Well we didn't have hay either {NW} # Interviewer: Do you know have you ever heard any word for that the 451: Hay loft Interviewer: Okay 451: Hay loft Interviewer: And um Say if you had too much hay to To put in the barn You might leave it outside and Take a pole and then Put the hay around the 451: Hmm Interviewer: The pole 451: {X} Interviewer: #1 Did you ever see # Aux: #2 We call that a haystack # 451: Oh Aux: #1 She'd never been on a farm # 451: #2 You see I I we # this has never been a farming section right in here and all that He lived on a farm when he grew up so he knows that sort of thing but I just don't know too much about it Course I know about hay stacks Because I've Read about them in school and I've seen them I have seen them in the country when we've Interviewer: Uh-huh 451: Driven around Interviewer: Uh-huh 451: But Aux: #1 Come on in Earl # 451: #2 It's # not uh it's not peculiar to this particular area though see Interviewer: Well it #1 You know # Aux: #2 Have a seat # Interviewer: If someone says 451: #1 Hey how are you # Aux: #2 {X} uh # Aux 2: Is that your office Interviewer: Or asks you and you know you can't I mean a lot of these things they won't have had in this area but if you {C: multiple speaker} If you've heard of {C: multiple speakers} Something that's called you know maybe up in Where {X} 451: Mm-hmm Interviewer: You know Just go ahead and {C: multiple speakers} #1 You know tell me that # 451: #2 Mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 But I I guess a lot of these # 451: #2 Well # Hay stack and corn crib and Oh a little hay li- hay loft {C: multiple speakers} You know for {C: multiple speakers} For {C: multiple speakers} Storing them Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # 451: #2 Course # #1 Course we heard all those things but we just didn't experience them {C: multiple speakers} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh {C: multiple speakers} # 451: Personally Interviewer: Where um Where did you keep the horses {C: multiple speakers} When you had horses {C: multiple speakers} 451: Uh Stall Interviewer: Mm-hmm {C: multiple speakers} 451: My my daddy had a stall When when I was very small we had horses Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: We had two or three And we had some mules but those {C: multiple speakers} Uh were kept except for the personal horses see Uh for riding We had a stall there at this old building when it was We had Interviewer: #1 That we had the post office in you know {C: multiple speakers} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 451: Downtown {C: multiple speakers} And uh there was a stall that I think had Um there was a building that had several stalls in it Interviewer: #1 Did you {C: multiple speakers} # 451: #2 It was open on the front but it was cl- closed you know # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Uh on the back and on the sides {C: multiple speakers} And uh we had room there I think for about Maybe about four horses Interviewer: #1 What'd you call the whole building {C: multiple speakers} # 451: #2 But we had # We just called it the s- {C: multiple speakers} The horse stall I guess I I don't know of any other word {C: multiple speakers} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And uh we had My daddy had a horse That he used in ride what they called riding the woods you know was he was Looking over the timbers and And supervising the work that was being done you know we called it {C: multiple speakers} That was the term he used riding the woods Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And he had a horse that he used for that and then my mother had a personal horse that she used you know that was a {C: multiple speakers} Oh Had a buggy Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And was hitched up to the buggy and that was for {C: multiple speakers} Traveling {C: multiple speakers} Interviewer: Mm-hmm {C: multiple speakers} 451: And for riding you know {C: multiple speakers} For if she just wanted to go for a ride she'd have the horse and buggy hitched up {C: multiple speakers} Interviewer: Mm-hmm {C: multiple speakers} 451: We had colored men that {C: multiple speakers} Took care of that {C: multiple speakers} Taking care of them you know and um {C: multiple speakers} Getting them ready for her when she wanted to use them {C: multiple speakers} Interviewer: Mm-hmm {C: multiple speakers} What about um {C: multiple speakers} 451: But the others uh they had some mules {C: multiple speakers} And that we used in connection with his business and that was over there where the stair was after you moved the stair Interviewer: Mm-hmm Uh The place now that's where you turn animals out to graze You'd call that the Aux: Pasture 451: Mm-hmm Pasture uh-huh Interviewer: #1 What was that # 451: #2 Pasture # #1 P-A-S-T-U-R-E # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # And um Did you ever see a a little fenced in place inside the pasture where you Could keep cows over night for milking them maybe 451: I don't know About that Interviewer: #1 Did you ever hear of milk gap or cowpen or # 451: #2 I suppose so # Oh yeah I've heard of cowpen Interviewer: What's that 451: Well I just figured it was just a Place that was fenced off If they wanted to keep the cows up you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: They'd put her in there if they didn't want to keep her up {C: multiple speakers} Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm # Aux: #2 Either they called it a cowpen or a cow lot # 451: Oh cow lot #1 Cowpen cow lot mm-hmm # Aux: #2 And usually they'd have those around the house not out in the pasture though # Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um Did you have anything else besides cows or Or horses 451: Well There have been times when we had chickens but Not too Often Interviewer: Uh-huh What about um Some The animal that you get pork from 451: Hogs Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh did did you have some # 451: #2 Mm-hmm my daddy used to # have them but he didn't have them at the house he had them over there near the In the area of this Uh turpentine still Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did he have them just running Loose or did he #1 Have them fenced in # 451: #2 No he had them fenced in # Now there was a time when he had them running loose he owned this peninsula Where the state park is you know And there was a time uh for several years he had them running loose over there Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And then he would go over Uh and get some of them and then bring them Over here and pen them up and though then Then they would Get them In or {X} Um Fit for Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Food you know Interviewer: #1 What uh-huh # 451: #2 Cause they would feed them in different # Things than what they had over on the Peninsula If you just killed them right off the peninsula they tasted fishy Interviewer: Oh really 451: Uh-huh because that's what they ate Over there you know they ate a lot of fish And uh Seafood And they would They would taste fishy If you just kill them right off but he would bring them over here and feed them on corn and And Whatever they fed Hogs on you know to fatten them And then they would lose that taste you see Interviewer: What'd they call then pen they put them in 451: Just a pen Interviewer: #1 The hog pen or pig # 451: #2 Pigpen # Interviewer: #1 Huh okay # 451: #2 Pigpen {NW} pigpen # Interviewer: #1 And um # 451: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Where did Where did people used to keep milk and butter before they had refrigerators 451: I don't know Now some people had um We used to have an ice box Af- after the ice plant was Put up here you know that was when I was quite small Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: So we've had ice until we started uh Using electricity you know and buying our electric refrigerators We used ice boxes Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And there'd be a section for the ice and then uh All the food would be put it would keep the whole area Cold you know through those Things that you wanted to keep extremely cold you'd stick it right down there like butter Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Usually stick it right on the ice you know right in the box Where the ice Was Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And when they'd come by they'd bring the ice everyday they'd come by and They'd saw the ice Blocks off you know according to what size you wanted And that uh The ice would come off in little chips and the kids would run up and catch that ice you know out of the chips and And uh We always looked forward to catching that ice once they sawed it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Cause that was fun Interviewer: {NW} 451: And it was good Interviewer: Uh-huh And a a farm where they had a A lot of Milk cows and Sell the milk You'd call that a 451: Dairy Interviewer: Mm-kay 451: But we didn't have any Around here #1 We had a {X} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 451: That had to be brought in Interviewer: Uh-huh 451: Uh except those people who had a cow you know Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And they depended on they provided it for themselves Interviewer: Did you ever hear of um The word dairy having any other meanings 451: Mm-mm Interviewer: Okay and um A place around the barn where you could let the The um cows and mules and Other animals walk around A fenced in place 451: Well as we said uh We probably called it cow lot Interviewer: Uh-huh And uh You know when Uh I don't guess they ever raised cotton much in this area 451: Mm-mm No Interviewer: Do you know what they call it when they go out with the hoe and they thin the cotton out Have you ever heard an expression for that 451: Well I just call it the Just call it hoeing Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 451: #2 Hoeing the cotton # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Course it means hoeing between not Right on it Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you ever hear chop 451: Cultivating Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about chopped cotton #1 Did you ever hear that # 451: #2 No # Mm-mm Interviewer: And um You say cotton grows in a 451: There's a lot of cotton in Georgia But uh Where uh we haven't Ever had any cotton in this area Interviewer: Uh-huh But the big 451: But they used to bring it in here Uh In the old days before this town was you know When the old city was here they used to bring cotton in here and ship it on Boats Interviewer: Hmm What um Say If someone had a big area Of corn or something planted you'd say you had a corn 451: I would just say crop Interviewer: Okay or 451: I don't know Interviewer: Or just a big area You'd call that the 451: Farm patch Interviewer: #1 Okay what about # 451: #2 Well when {X} we just had a garden spot # Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: You know we just called it the garden or uh corn patch if it was just corn we'd call it corn patch Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: But my daddy always had a garden Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And we just called it the garden Plant vegetables, watermelons, some sugar cane and Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Uh all kinds of cantaloupes and All kind of stuff you know Interviewer: What what if it's a lot bigger than a patch Then what would it be 451: Well I guess you'd just call it a crop Well I a crop would be what you would uh Would realize from it of course I don't know you see #1 Your questions don't really apply # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 451: You know #1 To us # Interviewer: #2 Yes # 451: And I just wonder what value they'll be to you from Getting it from me Interviewer: Well 451: Because we have nothing to do with farming whatsoever and this #1 Area is just a # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # 451: Uh we have to have those things brought In you know Except for the little gardens that people have And we had a garden for a while Over on the other street And um Uh there are a few people around who have a small Garden #1 But # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm # 451: As far as farming's concerned it's just I'm not #1 An authority {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah # 451: #1 On it and it has nothing to do with this area # Interviewer: #2 What about uh-huh # #1 Not all the questions are are that specific and you know # 451: #2 Or the whole town mm-hmm # Interviewer: Um What kind of fences did people used to have 451: Well Some had rail fences some had Well in town Out in the gar- in the Farming areas I guess they had Rail fences mostly But we had Picket fences that were you know They were pretty Interviewer: #1 What what did they look like # 451: #2 And uh # Well Uh they they would be Pieces of wood about so Just strips of wood about Interviewer: #1 Two or three inches # 451: #2 That wide maybe two or three inches wide and # Would go up in a point some of them were fancy And some of them were not And then some people would have wire fences that they bought And of course they'd have a post to tie them up to but Mostly around our houses we had Picket Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: Fences because they were attractive Interviewer: Mm-hmm 451: And uh