Interviewer: I just want to get some general sort of information at first so your name? 461: {Beep} Interviewer: {X} 461: {Beep} Interviewer: And your address? 461: {Beep} {Beep} Interviewer: Is this Chipley or? 461: Mm-hmm yeah Chipley Interviewer: And the county? 461: Washington Interviewer: And the state? 461: Florida Interviewer: What's the name of this community? 461: This is Wausau community. Now I don't live in the city of Wausau but this is Wausau. Interviewer: Mm-hmm {X} 461: I've been cleaning my barn out I'm fixing to put some new hay in. this evening. Interviewer: Do you have a lot of cattle or? 461: I don't have any cattle I just got a horse and a pony and some goats. Interviewer: Oh really? 461: Yeah. Interviewer: What do you have the goats for? 461: Uh mainly to keep my place cleaned out see along the fence they eat all the briars. Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: And uh to keep it clean they just there's not much food and now that's that's good meat I like to eat goat. I butcher one every now and then. We'll look at them after awhile okay? Interviewer: Yeah I'd like to see. Um where were you born? 461: I was born in the Wausau community about five miles from here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm And your age? 461: Forty-two. Interviewer: And occupation? 461: Uh civil engineer with the department of transportation. Florida department of transportation. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: Highway construction Interviewer: Is that the I think you said that was the work you've done ever since #1 high school? # 461: #2 That's right. # Interviewer: And what church do you go to? 461: I go to uh to the Wausau it's a homeless church community church. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And um tell me about your education what schools you went #1 to. # 461: #2 I went to # I went to an elementary school here at Wausau. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then I went to high school and graduated uh from the high school in Chipley. Interviewer: Mm-hmm was that just Wausau Elementary or? 461: Right {NS} and we went to the eighth grade had eighth grade in Wausau. Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NW} And um I like to get sort of an idea of the the people that you come into contact with whether you're active in church or in clubs or most of the people. Do you know most of the people around here or? 461: Right. I'm real active in uh in my church work. Ha. And then I'm active in the community involved. Interviewer: What sort of things? 461: What's that? Interviewer: What what's what do you mean community involvement? 461: Well we've got a club a little club here, a Wausau community development club. Interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 What is? # 461: #2 Now # if you've got some time I'd like to tell you about this community involvement. Interviewer: Yeah 461: Uh just a minute. {NS} I I get a lot of enjoyment out of the same self satisfaction. {NW} I don't have but just see three files here. {NS} And my first file is missing now we got what we call a fun day here see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: This is number four this is one that we just had. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But this community club here just asked me one time to kinda just uh well we was gonna have a fish fry to raise some funds for our club Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: and just sell the plates for maybe a dollar a piece. But the more I thought about it I says well I get some gospel sing. I had just moved back down here see. I was raised here but I moved to Chipley and stayed for fourteen years. And then I moved back here. I've been here about three years. Well uh the more I thought about it is to plan something for this this little community. See they've never had an opportunity to be in a parade. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: They never had an opportunity to get before the public you see we we and what we call {C: unclear if next line is /realty/ or mispronounced /reality/} realty the the income in this particular area is low. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now there's there's a few I think that I would that uh probably uh average of uh a little above average income. I I just be honest with you but uh this is uh the uh income in this area it's it's pretty low. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: Generally speaking we've got a lot a uh widowed uh ladies their husband has died and draw pensions and then uh those that work right around here the income is is quite low. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: So I started this thing this was the fourth one like I said and this is the day that we have here that uh the people in the community can get involved with see this is this this been in one of the top Florida festivals and events uh always supports. It's what we call a fun day in Wausau. I originated this idea see here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I'm not I'm you want the truth about the thing you question me and uh this gives the kids an opportunity to participate and the activities like gopher races that's like I said about this thing with a hard uh shell on it's back and uh the bull frog races and so on. So this again I like I said uh I'm real active in community involvement. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then I just been asked to serve as the area worker for the mental retardation. I don't do all that I don't have time to do all that but I'm able to contact people in this community that will do it for me. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now here was the headlines we had a opossum march and we blessed with opossums around here but I believe in the uncommon thing see. We just took some old opossums and you know a opossum we call 'em Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: and auction them off and we took the money and sent it to this bur- children's clinic out in uh Galveston, Texas. There's a kid got burned here in Wausau and so we sent two hundred and fifty dollar contribution to it but I'm just getting around to tell you cause you gonna ask me and I'll tell you what I find in those in in community work and then this community too. There's a kid that's got their gophers that I was talking about here in the community. Interviewer: Those are big. 461: Now all this is clippings we get we got uh TV coverage from uh oh I'm trying to find one particular {NW} Interviewer: I might have seen something about that on the the news. 461: Uh-huh Interviewer: I can't 461: Now here's one of our costumes see here? Once I find the old set. Now you've I've never you never heard probably someone auction a opossum off. Interviewer: #1 No # 461: #2 You see? # well that's that's what I wanted to do. And uh here it is in the Pensacola Journal. See here? We Interviewer: Uh-huh What was the husband calling contest like? 461: Uh this is where I took a bunch of husbands and was gonna blindfold them but I had a building and I put them behind this building and I put the wives up on the platform of the truck that we were performing off of. Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: and uh let them get on the mic they could give some kind of sound they couldn't say sugar or honey you know to get their husband to come? Now they couldn't call their name it was just a trick but you could say hun or sugar make some kind of little noise or that the husband would detect who it was and come. See {NW} and uh they all some how had a cue that they got their husbands. I didn't get one to mess up this is the first time I hadn't but that was what I was wanting to do for some wife to call the wrong husband up see. Interviewer: {NW} 461: And uh but it they all called now there's the days activities. We had a auctioner from Chipley. {NS} Uh {NS} See it's something for people in this community that I I don't feel like it well now I probably might have I'm not trying to be uh personal about this thing but they've had an opportunity and I feel like I that I I'm I'm serving my fellow man really. Is is what it amounts to there's nobody gets any money what so ever for it now we sell plates and people make contributions and so on and the proceeds that we realized from this event well we turn it it goes to this community development club that I'm talking about. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: and we turn it right back in into community projects. A ball park then we send flowers to anybody that passes away in the community no matter who it is.` Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: You send flowers to them and then if a member of our club gets in the hospital we send flowers and so on. But you see this fella here it's it's a it's a an enjoyment to me to see a fellow enjoy himself like this man and because of such a day then they are able to do this you see. See the kids participating here? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then uh what we do this is a ball game between Chipley and Wausau and this is the banker at Chipley. This is Rob Golden he's president of the bank of Chipley. Down at Wausau participating in our fun day. This is what I like to see, see? It's right down to earth fun and I really get an enjoyment out of it. Just people that's enjoying the day's activities. Interviewer: I think that really is interesting you get variedly turn out from this whole. 461: {X} that's right. Then we got some people that's coming from well that's if they ever been to Wausau. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: If they ever lived here and moved away then they planning their vacation now to come back uh and be around during the time we have fun day and this is the first Saturday in August each year but it's a kind of a family reunion get together. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {NS} 461: And uh it's a lot of work but I still feel like it's I'm benefiting uh helping my fellow man can get an opportunity to participate in something that might he might not have but it's not all that easy you run into people that just don't want {NW} something you know you always got some opposition. Interviewer: What sort of opposition did you get from? 461: Well uh I found out in community involvement just like in church work or anything else you'll fi- you'll find that people are they're jealous they're envy uh uh people that makes prosp- uh uh you know if you prosper or either something successful you'll find that anywhere. Now see Christ was crucified and and then you I just expect this that's just like President Nixon said last night you just expect some of the it and it's gonna come. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: It's just nature. But uh then this is where I think that you determine leadership ability. If you stop then well you're weak. But if you continue to go on and this is our fourth. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: It's not all that bad but you do run into some I mean it's just that it's just petty it's nature is what it is. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I found out another thing in a small community like this you see I'll be honest with you because you question uh now I was up at Chipley and was involved in church work. And then I come back here then I got involved well I was involved in community work up there I was chairman of the cancer crusades here in the county one time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: And uh it was a very successful campaign but when you do now let me tell you something else that you run into you take those workers that had worked before you if they see that you would exceed uh what they did then they some way that they will hesitate about helping you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Yeah I I'm gonna tell you the truth now when I run into you they will be hesitate about helping you because they don't want to see their record broke. It's nature again. I just see this and and then I just try to move on but it's just a natural thing that we might do. Okay then I come down here I move back here in this community. And started to get involved in and getting involved in community work and with this day here I found out and you can see it better in a smaller community than you could in a large community. For a little community is run by it it's a I'd say a certain amount of politics or a little structure that runs everything that takes place in a community. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh I don't say that they run everything but they's a controlling factor in a small community. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And when when I come in I could see this I mean if I went their way it was all right but when I began to to move my way if you're a yes it's all right but if you're no then you run into some opposition. And I could see that in this community that it was controlled by just a few you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But uh and it's like I said that they would they would be some that would be against this because they see something has come in they said well now why didn't we do this it the remarks have been made so they made more happen here in in four years then they have in in all of Wausau's life by this day. It's just a natural thing that you hear well people uh they just jealous or envious of such things. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: It's a natural thing. But this is something that's been interesting to me is to watch the reaction of people. Now there was a disturbance in this community here uh well like all communities you got this side you got that side Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: and I knew something about. It was over uh our school here at Wausau we had a school board mem- a school board member from here and we had our school year then you know when we had to consolidate there was a big uh split up about our school system. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And I wasn't living here at that time but I could hear this group would go and then this other group would go and I can tell knowing something about the community what side this one was on and what side the other people was on. Well when I come back in here to get this and got this program started here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I felt like I I like my hometown see and I hate to see uh disturbance quarreling and so on and you gonna have it. I don't mean to say everything is just roses and you talking to an angel here but when I come back in the community I say well now if I could get I looked at it this program here for a lot of benefits. If I could get people working and busy than they wouldn't be fussing all the time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: You know if you keep someone busy they don't have time to quarrel and you know people. So when I come back down and got this program started the rea- the first one there the first day that we had here I had people from both factions working on this program and I knew it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: I'd ask this one to that and they had to sit at the same planning station you see? It was interesting to me. And uh so you'll have people this way let me put it this way uh we had an opportunity to go to the T-V station as we do every year to Dothan we'll have uh an opportunity to go to Panama City to publish the {X} Okay uh well some I I just get the word out I said now every-who wants to go down and be on T-V at a certain day be there because I can't go all over the community picking up people to go to T-V stations. This gives our kids chance to appear on the T-V you know everyone wants to be on T-V. Okay. Well I'll get the word I said everybody wants to go now be down at a certain time. And then I call certain ones I don't do it personally but I call some that don't work. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: So that I will be sure to have enough to fill on the program. Well this one say you didn't ask me to go Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: you see cause I just in person I'm just telling what actually happens. And uh so they'll you know they puff up a little bit if you {X} well I says I got the word out. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: If you'll ignore it that way then they'll stay with you. You can't you can't sympathize with people like this you see what I mean? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: They always gonna find a little thing see that they want. They want to be part of it but I like to work with people and and see them react in different ways on different things. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Some people now this year that worked well next year they won't be well I'll tell you why. A lot of times they they just won't they'll think that uh you can't get your program over. Some people's gonna say well now hey they can't do without me Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: but you can. So I just go get somebody each year there's new people that will volunteer to help. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: The man that's cutting my ay- hay out here now. Uh this is the first time I hadn't asked him because uh I didn't think that he would I mean I really uh I say well now he would be one surely that want help with something like this. But these were surprised when I asked him he said he hadn't been this year and I'd be ready to help you next year you see? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: So there's always new ones that's come in I reach way out and and get different people and we've had and we've been able to do this. This is a big job we had to cook eight hundred pounds of fish. Interviewer: Yes. 461: See fry eight hundred pounds of fish we had to dress them. But then again is a it's really inspiring we we dress these fish on Friday. I get the word out I says now I have a man to go get them well you know it's planned go get the fish and ice them down I say now here we at eight hundred pounds of fish you'll never get these {X} It's always you always wonder whether you are gonna get it done or not until it's over and then when you see people coming with knives and pans to help this is just best in itself. Well we get the fish dressed you see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then that night we come up with something different uh we had this opossum queen contest now let me tell you something about that. I know I'm I'm getting my way around but I feel like that this can be helpful with anybody any work not just here. You see what I mean? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh we had this opossum queen contest and we had the age limit to thirty above. See this give people an opportunity and they say it right here to uh well to peop- uh say a beauty time it it was really not that now what did do because thirty or above well you get to an age in that there's not many queen {D: release} anymore at that age. And then I said that we will not have a tape measure we were hunting that we we didn't want any to mention. You see what I'm talking about? That wouldn't be part of it but was still our fun day we had here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: That you'd get so many points for the costume so many points for the talent how you made the people laugh is what was asked you see that? And then what you'd do uh the how you'd respond to a question that was asked primarily about a opossum. Interviewer: {NW} 461: And then you got uh five points I think it was for a opossum recipe, you know how you'd cook a opossum. Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: We had the most fun day. A ball park was filled up the night we had this opossum queen contest. Interviewer: What questions can you ask about an opossum? 461: Well somebody asked what would you do if you picked up the phone and there was an opossum on the other end you know? Interviewer: {NW} 461: So some woman said she would make love with that opossum. {NW} Yeah well it was really interesting it turned out to be a lot of fun and then we had an old boy in the community here he just a clown I mean he he's got a real good personality and he just a type that's comical you know? Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: So we got him to be master of ceremonies and he added a lot to it you see he dressed up. But it turned out real good and Then here was another age group that were able that was able to participate you see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm How how big is this community is it a very old community? 461: Yes it's a I don't remember now I believe it was I got the record on it but I can't remember right off. I don't study much about the history of it. But it was named after Wausau, Wisconsin. Interviewer: Oh really? 461: Yeah. There was a man by the name of Glen that come down here well I don't want you to run your tape you maybe getting something here that you aren't looking for but we could you could save your tape but maybe I could find that. Unless I have I may done give you a copy of that. I've got some history. {NS} We've had Senator Gurney Edward Gurney US senator here. We've had Bob Sites we've had a number {NS} of state dignitaries. I wanted to see if I had a copy of the history of this look at that that appeared in the Pensacola paper on the front page. The Wausau class. See this big gopher? Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: Now that's what we call a gopher around here. You know I had that encyclopedia and got something that got hair on the tail you know. That's what I was talking about the other day. Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: And uh well while I'm searching for this and getting back to uh {NS} oh yeah another thing too when the first day that we had here like this I'd say that there was fifty percent I'd I I'd be willing to say that they was fifty percent of the people in Wausau that stayed home the first day we had this day because they didn't think there'd be anything to it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: When we talked about having a parade in Wausau in this small community says kids participate in {X} But when we said that we were gonna have a parade in Wausau see it could be nice too. We never had one. It was interesting to listen to people march I could get I'd get and uh people would think about coming to a parade in Wausau. Here's a write up from Cosmo Science one of {X} community campus that I've ever seen when downtown Wausau {D: wasn't in the county.} Oh it's been there finally they decide on each year I introduce myself to the Wausau community fire department chairman. His working under the club was sent to ask ten thousand people participating in all their {X} Right. Ultimately happy doing a fine parade so but uh {NW} we get good coverage on it. And here's another thing. The reason you see so much here's the same fella look at him dancing. See him having fun? He's sixty-eight years old. I had him yesterday in this homecoming parade down at Vernon. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Calling hogs just giving a demonstration of calling hogs. {NS} PIG! COME HERE, PIG! You know that's old fashion hog calling you know something like that. Well he thinks that he's a champion you know oh he is. {NW} But he I had him in a truck calling hogs and he rides down these parade routes we had him in the big rodeo parade in Bonifay Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And he waves at people well I had an old lady too it was her picture's in here somewhere. She's eighty something. And uh but these people that's old hold on that a second but I I it's a really a blessing to me to see these people enjoying and say open up I certainly believe that I'm sure that he would've he wouldn't of had that much enjoyment in his lifetime without such a thing it is. I mean this has been helpful maybe there might have been something else but certainly I've added I've ad- added some joy to his life. I feel that way about it. I don't see what I'm hunting, and maybe I'm taking too much of the time, but I did want to get a copy that was running wait a here it is right here. Just the top of it {NS} Interviewer: Was there a lot of um Scottish settlement here? 461: Yeah in fact I they tell me I don't know I don't study too much about my family background really Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: but they say that uh we were descendants of Scotland and Ireland. Interviewer: Mm-hmm About how big is um Wausau? 461: I would I would say now that uh the population within the city limits is somewhere in the neighborhood of five hundred. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh the registered voters here uh now this is some indication but still again you can't go by that because there's people that's voting and what I call registered voters that's voting outside of the uh city limits, they're in the community you see what I mean? So I say within the city limits itself of Wausau there's five hundred people. {NW} Interviewer: Where do most people work around here? Could I? 461: You can have that. I got a extra copy. Uh okay now the biggest portion I would say of this of the income of the families in Wausau come from some uh they either come from welfare or social security or old age assistance. You see what I'm talking about? Now you talking about the most families Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I'd say the most come from that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now other other uh income is uh through th-the like I said the department of transportation in Chipley employs a lot of people here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh different uh Interviewer: Most of the young men that work work with the department of transportation or? 461: Uh Interviewer: Or are there very many young people here? 461: Yes um they some now I don't say say most of them I don't let's don't put most of them work there. Now then they's a lot of them works with the uh uh utility companies like the telephone company or power companies but it's outside of Wausau see they got to either go Panama City or got to go to Chipley. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then a lot works with the contractors you see like a building contractor's carpenter Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: or road construction. #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 461: like this. Interviewer: There's no factory around? 461: No Interviewer: #1 Anywhere near here? # 461: #2 No no factories that's right. # Interviewer: #1 # 461: #2 # Interviewer: Um tell me something about your parents now where they were born and. 461: Um my parents were born right here. My mother was born in Wausau Interviewer: What about your father? 461: He was born in Wausau. Interviewer: And their education? 461: Uh just about the second grades. Interviewer: Both of them? 461: Yeah Interviewer: What work did they do? 461: My mother see now she uh passed away when I was nine days old but she was just a house wife. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: All right now my father he was a farmer and construction worker. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now he's passed away too. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did your mother did your father remarry? 461: Yeah Interviewer: What? 461: He remarried my mother's sister. Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: And she's still living. Interviewer: So she was born in #1 Wausau too. # 461: #2 Yeah right # Interviewer: #1 # 461: #2 # Interviewer: Do you know how much education she got about #1 the second grade? # 461: #2 I'm about certain. # Interviewer: #1 # 461: #2 # Interviewer: And she was a house wife too? 461: Right. Now she's living on social security today see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But she don't live in the city limits of Wausau so how does she live in Wausau community? Interviewer: Mm-hmm What um what about your grandparents on your mother's side? 461: They had very little education hardly any at all Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But they were raised uh I mean born and raised in the Wausau community. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: On both sides. Interviewer: Gosh What work did they do? 461: Farm. Interviewer: Are they the ones that were the Scotch-Irish? Or 461: Yeah Interviewer: Do you know when when they came down here? 461: No I don't. No. Interviewer: What about your um father's parents are they from Wausau too? 461: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay and probably about the same for them? 461: Yeah. Interviewer: They farm? 461: Yeah. Interviewer: And Scotch-Irish? 461: What's that? Interviewer: Scotch-Irish 461: Yeah. Interviewer: descent? Um and your wife um how old is she? 461: Thirty-seven. Interviewer: And her church? 461: Same place Interviewer: Education? 461: High school Interviewer: Is she born here? 461: Yeah. Interviewer: So y'all went to high school together or? 461: No she went to one high school and I went to uh Chipley. She went to Vernon. Interviewer: How far away is Vernon from here? 461: Eight miles. Interviewer: It would have been closer than 461: Oh oh I'll have to tell you about that. You see I was raised over on this side of {NW} town east. And she was raised west over here Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: right back over here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And I don't know what made it but it just because of the bus routes and their connections so that any people that lived back in this area was a tendency that they just come on to Chipley. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And the people that live west of this highway right out here there was a tendency for all them to go to Vernon. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Just one of those things. Interviewer: When you were growing up which um say when you went into town to get some things did you go to Chipley or Vernon? Which? 461: We went to Chipley. Interviewer: Chipley was always the bigger bigger town. 461: That's right. There was just always a tendency to go to Chipley. I never did hear my parents I'll be honest with you. In other words it come Saturday part- most of the time that was the only time we went to town. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Well I say we got to go to town and when you mention the word town well it was automatically Chipley. Interviewer: Mm-hmm You never um Chipley was always big enough so it had you know hospitals 461: #1 That's right # Interviewer: #2 and everything # 461: #1 doctors. # Interviewer: #2 you needed. # 461: Then if you needed some uh like fertilizer for the farm uh seeds then they knew that they could get it at Chipley see? That they might not have that like certain plow items like the tools for the plows you see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Or buckets uh for the farm and stuff like that they was always felt like you'd find it in Chipley. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Panama City was never? 461: No never. Not even Vernon. Nowhere but Chipley. Interviewer: And um well see what is your wife very active in um 461: #1 Yes community and church # Interviewer: #2 church and the community. # 461: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # What about her parents? 461: They had very little education. Uh I can't a- answer exactly but I know less than the eighth grade I mean you know maybe the third? Her father probably around third. Her mother might have went to the fifth but no more than any eighth grade education. Interviewer: Were they from around here? 461: Yeah. Interviewer: They were born in Wausau? 461: Yeah. Interviewer: Your does your wife work? 461: Yeah she's a beautician. Interviewer: Um now I'd like to get an idea of what the the house that you grew up in looked like. Could you sort of make a sketch of it #1 just # 461: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: of the floor plan? 461: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: It doesn't have to be real exact but just a an idea. 461: I'm gonna get a fellow an artist to draw me a sketch of the my home place. I I'd wished I had a picture. After you come I I I thought about I say well of all the times we never did take a picture of that house and I'll have to tell her but I know a fellow that can draw me a sketch of basically in what I was raised in. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But uh I want to do that one of these days. {NS} I'm not I'm no architect I'm in highway construction road building. {NW} Uh let's see now and there's a porch on the back. Then there was a there was a door a door here and there was a door back here. And a door here and there was a window here and a window here. Interviewer: Which direction did the house face? 461: This was uh north that's south west and east. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now let me tell you something about it. This was a fireplace and see I'm gonna write this down. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Fireplace and chimney here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Okay now this is a window. It was um just a shutter we called it. There was no glass in this house. They was no glass windows. It was on hinges just like my barn door right outside. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Okay Interviewer: What was it built out of? 461: It was built out of rough sawed lumber it was not planed off or finished you know I'm not not talking about planed and I can take some I can take you out there and show you the kind of lumber. In a minute we'll can walk out and and look. The kind of lumber that it was built out of. Now the board was real wide see and they were ma- out of a pine Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: boards. I'd say from ten inches now that's not part of the lumber that was in my house but I could take you today and show you some of the lumber that was in this house my aunt's got it for uh just a utility. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: uh room over where she lives some of the lumber that was in the house. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And that was about ten inches or twelve inches wide. I don't know exactly. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But it was cut at a saw mill where you can you can still see the saw marks in it you know. It was real good wood you don't find any of that now that was heart. Okay and the boards stood up this way see. And in other words when you walled it it looked just like this but there's wide boards. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And where I live in this house there was no ceiling inside. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And some places and sometimes you could put your hand in between these boards they're dry see? When actually it was built after years that lumber dried and you could put your hands in between these cracks. Now that's right. It was cold. But we we would sleep under four or five quilts you had to put that cover on you or you'd freeze. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now then uh you can get electric blanket it's just amazing how I can lay down and and uh just put a electric blanket I I don't have to have it here not even while I've got central air conditioning and heating. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But back when I was living in a sleeping in this house here in the winter time you'd have six and eight big old quilts only you'd you just couldn't turn over. {NW} That's right and I slept with my grandmother. See when my mother died my grandmother took me to raise me. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: And she died when she was about sixty-eight years old. But her and I slept together in this room right here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: No no wait a minute I'm wrong. This room this is the kitchen. I'll explain something to you in a minute. This is uh we'll say I don't know whether you'd call it a bedroom or not but there was a bed in here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And uh wait a minute I failed to get a window right here. This was a shutter window here I know. There was a bed in this room this is a big room see here? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I mean big. Here was a big room and then there was a breezeway they called it in between here see it was open. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then there was a porch down all the way across the front here and there was a porch all the way across the back. Interviewer: That breezeway there was open? 461: Yeah it was open. It was open. Interviewer: No roof on that then? 461: Uh yeah there was a roof you see it was open oh let me see how I can Interviewer: Oh you mean you there wasn't a wall here separating it? 461: Uh-uh no uh you see what it was uh the house the top you know and so on. Well the breezeway was open through here see here? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Was open through here. You see now this is the floor plan looking down Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: on it see here? And then you had the top and then through here was what they call a breezeway and then there was a porch swing that was set under here i-in under here see? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And uh this is what they called a breezeway now. See this was open th- this is a design that a lot of houses were built in this area. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Around in there at that time. But there's not any left now like this that I've I know of I'd I'd take you and we'd look at. But there's not any left. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But this was a big room see just like this this room that was under the the top you see what I mean there was a top of it. This was open. This was another big room back here. And then there was a porch. Just like that right there on the back of that house all the way across it. And then there was one on front just like my front porch all the way across this. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now this is the steps that you walked up into the house here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now this was the kitchen and this was a walkway I put a walkway open. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And there was no top on this. In other words you had a top on this part of the house here and you had a top on this kitchen part it was just another uh building by itself but there was a walkway here it had boards that you'd walk across here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And I asked why that you had this walkway across here to go to this thing. This is the kitchen where people went to cook and eat see? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: They said well the only thing somebody made the remark to me I don't know who it was that this was fixed this way in case this got a fire that it wouldn't burn the house but they wasn't nothing to that because really you know people might of thought that. But if this building here had to got a fire a close as it would well I imagine nine times out of ten it would set this building afire because this was about fifteen feet. Interviewer: Mm-hmm you couldn't tear that down in time? 461: You see I mean uh I don't know wha- I think the idea back in those days to build these buildings like this was what they said. Somewhere they had got it that if the kitchen see this is where they did their a lot of their cooking see the stove you put wood in the stove then lit it. Wasn't an electric stove or gas. But they'd put wood in here and cook and if this part got afire than it wouldn't burn this up. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Is the reason they had it off to itself. This was one big room they was no partitions in it you had a table sitting over here you had a stove here now all these is wood shutters this is a window with just a wood shutter that worked on hinges. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: This is a door back here and then this was a door here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And steps in in front see that? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: You did all your cooking and eating here and you had what we called we now you said you was gonna ask me we we had what's we called a safe. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: This is where we put our food and kept it from one meal to the next. We didn't have a refrigerator. It was a cabinet type thing just like this over here with screen wire in the front. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And you'd set biscuits corn bread and stuff in there like that. {NW} And then we had a big barrel. Tell you something here. You you talking about these old oak barrels Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: we kept our corn meal in this barrel. Uh you know what a barrel is you know what I'm talking about? Fi- about fifty-five gallons capacity. We'd keep the corn meal in there in this barrel. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And uh so you'd reach in and take the corn meal out and make these hoe cakes and corn pone that I'm talking about but we kept it in a big barrel. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And I remember one time that my aunt lived with me and my grandma see she took me and raised me when my mother died and I got it then to be a boy I don't know how old I was may- say ten years old. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And I heard her say one time my aunt she's living now over here. And she looked in that barrel there was me and my grandmother and my aunt and then my aunt married and then her husband come and there was four of us living together in this house but there was three at one time. I heard my aunt say she looked in that barrel she says meal is just about out. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then my old grandmother over here and she said don't worry the good Lord will provide. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I said well one of these days I'm gonna see a man with long beard and long hair pouring some meal in that bar- I thought she meant I you know it was just a thought it come to my mind. Interviewer: {NW} 461: I says I'm afraid to come in see it was a building all by itself I says I I'm gonna be afraid to go in here because I see this fellow you know it's some fear #1 there. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 461: And when I heard her say that that's something that I've always remembered she said that. Interviewer: {NW} 461: But that was her faith that she had. Now she would walk from here to Wausau right down here in the heart of this little town. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And I believe that it was measured. I think it's about four miles now by highway. But the way she walked I'd say it was a good four and a half or five miles. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And my grandmother died when she was about I think sixty-eight or sixty-nine. But she didn't work any for a few years before she died. I'd say at sixty years old to sixty five now I'm gonna put it that way. From sixty to sixty.five she walked now she didn't ride no mule and wagon no she didn't ride a car she walked by foot from here to sew in a sewing room. It was part of the W-P-A. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Or P-W-A or what you want to call it back in those days. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh she would walk from here and sew and walk back home during the day. For to provide her livelihood now she did this. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: That was the only income in that house at that time see until my aunt married and her husband began to fish down at Panama City. He'd go out on the fish boats and he'd stay for a week or two at a time and then come in every so often. But he started fishing and there was some more income to come into the house. Interviewer: Mm-hmm What what do you call these rooms? What this was the kitchen and then you didn't tell me the names for those. 461: Well now well this is the kitchen and we call this right here the big house. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: In the big house. Uh and then this is right in right here is just what we called the back room. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: You see there? Now when my aunt married well before she married like I said me and my grandmother when the three of us was home Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: me and her slept in a bed here. Now there was no partitions in these rooms what so ever. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: They's no partitions back here There was a bed here and then there was a {NS} I don't know really well we call it uh well we kept our quilts and clothes over here. I don't know there might have been a name for it and you you it would be good if you have that but I can't think of think of it right now. But it's like the safe that I was telling you about that we kept our food in but we kept our clothes in it. Clothes well it wasn't a clothes closet that's too big a word to use but it was where we kept our quilts and our clothing over in this corner. Then we had a dresser over here we had another dresser over here we had two dressers in that house and we had a a large type uh phonograph I believe it was RCA. It stood way up here with a crank on it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Right right over here. And a dresser here and a dresser here and then this fireplace see see here? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And we would build a fire this is our heater this is the only kind of heat we had. Other than what was on the stove but here when we cooked in in the stove. The stove was here our dining table was here we had a what we called uh cabinet. Uh to keep flour and and so on in. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And uh all this was in here there was no partition in here. But the only heat was uh heat from this stove when we put wood in it that we had to cut. And put biscuits in the oven to bake them and food on top to cook it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then this fireplace was the only source of heat we had here. Then while I'm thinking about it the only source of water that we had was in a we called it a branch. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: It was a small stream that run this way. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh the source of water was out that branch and we took a bucket went down and dipped it up and brought it back and set it right out here this porch extended on across here all the way in front. We had a place right over here and we'd set the buckets of water right up here. Interviewer: What did you call that place on the porch? 461: Piazza Interviewer: What's what's a piazza? 461: It's a porch. Interviewer: Is it a special kind of porch or just any porch? 461: Well now I don't know whether it's a special but uh I'll I known it I I knew it as a piazza uh I just got it from my grand grandmother now if whether it was qualified as a piazza here I don't know. They usually didn't say porch. They say on the piazza. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: See what I mean? This is what we call this thing in front here just like this. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: This is what that's what we call. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I guess and uh but our source of water's from this branch. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then we'd iron uh when my aunt would iron clothes my grandmother we had wood that we'd put in this fireplace Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: and heat it. And take these irons I got some right in there for book ends or something stand them up and right before that real hot fire. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And I would take something and wipe that sud off of them Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: and then get down and iron with it. Interviewer: I don't see how people do that. 461: #1 I know. # Interviewer: #2 I'd be so # 461: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 461: And then another thing I want to tell you about uh I remember we had a few chickens Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: we didn't maybe we had a few cows just we had a few chickens and a few cows. When I say few five or six I mean. Few hogs we weren't what you'd call big time farmers it uh l-like so many acres and so on you know. But I remember one time here in the chicken lay. Now I don't think food was that scarce really I was just a young boy you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But I heared a roost- I mean a chicken cackle and I knew that she had laid and I said well we're gonna have something to eat. That egg. Now I can remember that but like I said I was a young boy and probably uh you know we had some more food I know we had some corn bread and so on but. Oh and I'm just being honest with you it was poor people Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: that had very little money and very little to eat Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: while we had maybe a lot of what we had corn bread and peas and When the pea season uh vegetables in the garden and eggs but uh like steak and so on until my aunt married and her husband began to work then we had a different type of eating. He was able to make money and we'd had a different type of food. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And all of these like I said was door shutters there was no screens. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I can think about it now. And there was flies those days just like there are now. But we didn't have screens. Interviewer: Yeah 461: We didn't have any. It was no glass worry about breaking a glass with a ball football or baseball. And uh the baseball I don't remember ever having a baseball. I do remember fixing balls out of a sock packing it with stuff. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then I remember one football that my uh cousin somehow he got ahold of an old football and we was getting on up then uh getting ready to go to high school. I mu- I must of been in the seventh or eighth grade. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And he got an old football somewhere and we played with it a bit. So when I went to Chipley high school I didn't know much about football. Didn't know anything about the fundamentals of it. I did get to see how one was shaped. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: They just didn't do that around here at that time. But now and then I played a little bit of football I got to know what it is. But I got a boy now playing in the seventh grade see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: He knows I didn't I didn't I didn't get to do that you see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um 461: Maybe you ask me I you just. Interviewer: Um talk about the the fireplace you know um the what did you call the that open place on the floor? In front of the fireplace. 461: The hearth? Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: Yeah Interviewer: And um what about the things that you'd set the wood on? 461: Uh we called those uh the fire dogs. Interviewer: Mm-hmm and the part um what about the part over the fireplace? 461: Mantle. Interviewer: Did you ever hear an older name for that? 461: No. Interviewer: Mantle piece or mantle #1 shelf. # 461: #2 Oh well now wait a minute # it was mantle piece. Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: Okay I can help if you'll ask me that now. I I to find out what you want. Now it was known as a mantle piece. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: That's right. Interviewer: What about um say if you were gonna start a fire what kind of wood would you use to start it with? 461: Uh what we called what we did that we'd always get in some fat splinters. {NW} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now that's how I know how I knew it. And when I said fat splinters that is a a light weight wood we call and it's pine wood. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: That's uh fallen and it's just a hard it's nothing but it's real when I said fat that is the tar would run out of it. You know what I mean? But we'd say you got some fat wood in to build a fire with. Well I knew what fat wood was Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: it was that pine wood. Now I don't know about the general area of this uh in this general area whether they call that fat wood or not but it's either fat wood or fat splinters. Uh Fat splinters is what it was. Interviewer: Mm-hmm What about the word kindling did you 461: #1 No. No. # Interviewer: #2 ever use that? # 461: We used splinters. Interviewer: Mm-hmm it's is kindling something different or? 461: Uh no it's the same thing but it's uh we use the word splinters #1 and then # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 461: kindling is the same thing. Interviewer: {X} 461: Splinters you see what it is if you take just a splint if you break something you pull it off pieces of wood off. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh we well what we used uh the word we used was splinters. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And what we did we just take a axe and chip off small pieces. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Stack it over here and then that would start the fire right quick like see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm and um the thing that you have to shovel out of the fireplace? 461: Uh well now we didn't I don't know any word that we use there. What we'd always do we'd take a sh- piece of tin. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: We didn't have this. I got one in here now and don't know even what to call it Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: other than a shovel. But we'd take a piece of tin to take these ashes we didn't have one of those things that to dig ashes out with. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: We'd get something that would do the job and that was it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: It didn't have a name as fas as I know. Interviewer: And um talking about things that you'd have in a room like that thing there would be called a? 461: {X} Interviewer: Or no just the what that is that you could sit in. 461: Well uh all that we only thing that we had we had a straight chair. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Or either we had a rocking chair. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Or we had a tobacco gum. Interviewer: A tobacco gum? 461: Yeah Interviewer: What's that? 461: Okay now it's a it's a hollow log. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Okay and you know it's a log that's got a hollow. And then they would raise tobacco and twist it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And uh you gotta cure it now I don't know how to do that. I was young. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But you put that tobacco down and you see you you cut off a piece of log so long, about this long. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Set it down Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: and put that tobacco down in there. Stack it somewhere in there. Okay then you take a another piece of wood and set down inside of that hollow just about as big just so it would go down there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then you take a long tree and someway anchor it and put a weight back here and press that down in that log. That's how they press their tobacco. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Okay then uh maybe an old tobacco gum that's what they call it tobacco gum. Now that's an old word and it's real common. I wished I could find one today. You know and we had we had some of them one or two. But uh you take that then see that hollow log and then took put a piece a well like I think they oh yeah they kept something on top of that. Something like this. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And underneath it it had something else that would press down and press that you could sit on it then it would make a little stool see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And maybe you still kept your tobacco in it you see? And it just preserved it. In other words this is where you kept tobacco but you had to press it for a few of the times. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now I I don't know how you how you did that but there's people here in this community could tell you how to cure tobacco. You see this old tobacco bought these days that's twisted? Now there's people in this community and they can tell you how to do it. They they raised it. Interviewer: They don't raise it here #1 anymore do they? # 461: #2 No # no Interviewer: Any particular reason #1 people just don't farm out? # 461: #2 I don't know why they just # well one reason there's not as much as that uh okay there's as I don't believe that there's as much well I better not say that old fashioned chewing tobacco as there used to be. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Now there's a lot of snuff dipping around here Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: and uh there's a lot of tobacco chewing but it's more less likely sweet tobacco but just plugs. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But as far as that old twist tobacco and the old now they used to chew that and then they also used to cut it up and put it in pipes. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: There's not as much pipe smoking around here as there used to be. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: You see your older people used to smoke pipes. I don't know what it is uh probably uh the advertisement I mean the on TV the communication's now about cancer and so on uh there's a lot of smoking but you don't have the old old people sitting around smoking pipes and nicotine all them years like used times. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Um 461: I think it's so much trouble to raise that tobacco. They can go buy it when money's a little more available. See they can go down and buy them some tobacco. There's a lot of work and to raise this tobacco I was talking about. They can go down and buy them a plug they they get money these old people now that would do this is getting some money with this welfare bill. They go buy it they just they not gonna work to Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 461: #2 raise it see? # Interviewer: #1 # 461: #2 # Interviewer: And um this thing that we're sitting on you'd call that a? 461: Well now we didn't have this back then. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And I'll I just learned I I call it a couch. Interviewer: Mm-hmm and other names? 461: No. Interviewer: What about sofa? 461: Well I've heard of it but uh you want the common word that that we use? Interviewer: Well just the different names that you've heard. 461: Oh I've heard I've heard it uh sofa and couch. Our our common we we commonly call it couch. Interviewer: Mm-hmm and um talking about things that you might have in a in a room to um to keep clothes in. What did you mentioned a dresser um what what did you have that you could um could hang your clothes in? 461: Uh well we had a uh a cabinet type chifforobe. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: That's it. Back in those days now we got a I got a a closet back here where we hang our {X} But we didn't have a closet when I was coming up. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: In other words we hung them in the chifforobe. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And that was a cabinet type thing with some doors on it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: We was able now when we had one and that's where we hung our clothes. Interviewer: What about something with drawers in it? 461: Uh we call it the chest. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Most common I don't know anybody anybody that got another name and I just can't can't think of it I we I know as a chest. If I wanted uh pair of overalls or socks I went and looked in my drawer Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: in my chest. Just an old cabinet type thing with drawers in it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Did you ever hear of something called a wardrobe? 461: Yeah but we didn't use it. I heard that word. Wardrobe. Yeah but we didn't use that. Interviewer: Do you know what it it looked like or mean you just hear of it? 461: I just heard of it and I figured it was the same thing that uh that chest. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Well I I wouldn't was n- and I had uh uh that I knew as a chest it was the same thing as a wardrobe. Now it might have been different I really don't know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But that's how I associate them. Interviewer: And um something well that you would have now maybe and in windows. Something on rollers that you could pull down. 461: Oh yeah the window weights? Interviewer: Well um I've seen something on um on rollers that you could pull down to keep out the light. 461: Shades? Interviewer: Mm-hmm #1 What was # 461: #2 We didn't have any. # Interviewer: Uh-huh What was the window weights? What's? 461: Okay now you see here again Uh I'm just telling you these words that I knew because uh I learned these window weights now we had glass windows at school. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And we had shades but where you had these wood shutters you didn't need that you didn't need a window weight and you didn't need shades. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: See it was just a window shutter. When you open it it was wide open. Interviewer: Uh-huh 461: Okay now the window weights uh let's see yeah was at was at school there was big windows and they were two-pieced you see about halfway. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: You could take your hand and slide it up Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: well back down inside the walls uh s- rope had went and tied to that bottom part of the window and and down in that wall was a weight. It helped you when you picked it up it would it would go down it was helping you pull see that? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then the shades was rolled something about like this curtain rod and you could pull it down and just snap it a little bit you know pull it a little bit and it would zip back up. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Just roll up like a piece of paper. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But we I never did have any experience of using that as far as in my personal life. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 461: But we did at school. Interviewer: What would you call um what would be a general name for all the things that you'd have in the house the chairs and tables and so forth. 461: Um I don't know I might that word may have {X} that we use back in those days but it certainly wasn't the word furniture. Interviewer: You didn't call it that? 461: No Interviewer: What about something like um house fixings or plunder or tricks? Does any of that sound familiar? 461: I don't think so. I'd say that the most word that would be fitting there that we would use back in in in that time now I would call it furniture today. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I learned that but I'm talking about from the time that uh these uh words that I learned and I found out that they were different after I got that certain amount of education. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh but back in the days when I was coming up we certainly didn't call it furniture. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Maybe uh I I just don't know uh where it would combine all these items inside of a house and just what we did call it it passing my mind if we ever did. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I just I can't associate a word that would be fitting for this. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But it certainly wouldn't be furniture. Interviewer: Mm-hmm That's something you learned? 461: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What about um a small room off the kitchen? Yeah I don't think you had it in in your house but do do you know about that having a little well room off the kitchen where you could keep canned goods and things? 461: No we didn't have it. Interviewer: Do do you know what it's called? 461: No. Interviewer: Did you ever hear of pantry or kitchen closet or anything? 461: No no but I I'm fixing to come up with something that uh. I'll tell you what we did now. Interviewer: What's that? 461: Where's that piece of paper? Okay now off to the side about in this general area right over here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then somewhere back on over in here was a old barn. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Something like I got yonder. But this was a barn over here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And this is what we called smokehouse. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: You see? Now there was no other buildings but but these three. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: I mean this the smokehouse and the barn. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Well uh uh there was a what we called outhouse. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Okay? Interviewer: Any other name 461: #1 You want the truth don't you? # Interviewer: #2 for that? # 461: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Uh-huh did you ever have any other names for #1 the outhouse? # 461: #2 Well I've heard # privies and everything but you want the word that we used. Interviewer: Uh-huh or any words that you 461: #1 Outhouse, privy # Interviewer: #2 you've heard. # 461: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 461: But outhouse is what we #1 know # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 461: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 461: Well now what we did here in the smokehouse see we would raise hogs and kill them. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And uh cure the meat by putting salt on it. After we killed it salt it real good and let it lay out on the ground. See we'd kill hogs in the cold weather you had to on account that the meat would spoil. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: You had to do it in dead winter. Uh either when the weather was cold. You'd kill these hogs scrape them and dress them and everything down near this branch right here see. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Where the water would be available and then uh cut the hogs up in small pieces and then finally get them back up here and salt it lay it out on pine tops. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: What we call pine tops is these pine trees now break them off and lay them down on the ground and lay this meat out when you'd salt it real good. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Let it lay out I don't know one night I think and then you'd take it and pack it in a big old barrel. Somebody that knows how to cure it now I don't I don't know the art of that see I was young and I've never really did this. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: Uh but after so many days you'd take it out of that salt that barrel out of the barrel and hang it up on poles inside of this house and put oak wood and start a smoke under it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And smoke it so many days Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: until it was cured and that meat would hang throughout well it wasn't it would hang the whole year if there was enough of it but we'd always eat it and there wouldn't we enough to last. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: But it would go on in the summer. This meat could hang there in the summer after it was cured and still wouldn't spoil because it was cured with that salt. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: So in here now we kept a number of things like oh yeah uh like uh jars of uh peas. See we didn't put them in the deep freezer and we put peas in jars you had to cook them and uh uh shell them and and put them in a jar and and then put them in the wash pot. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And boil them in that glass jar. So long Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then we'd set some in the smokehouse you see on the shelves and stuff that went down here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 461: And then inside this kitchen like where we kept uh small canned goods that we'd get ahold of every now and then like bags of beans and uh uh little cans of pet milk and stuff like that I'm talking about little old goods like that. Well there'd be a little old cabinet or something here that we'd stick it in but we didn't have a room off to the side as far as storage other than the smokehouse right here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm