464: Say what? Interviewer: Your name? 464: {B} Interviewer: And your address? 464: My address {D: well I don't} crazy I {B} Interviewer: Okay. And the name of this community? 464: Campton, Florida. Interviewer: And the county? 464: I don't know that now. {NW} so crazy I {NW} {NW} uh {NW} {D: Cretchville} I reckon. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {X} {NW} Interviewer: And where were you born? {NS} 464: Well it was back in the bushes but {NW} {NS} I was born back across the creek over here about three mile from here. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But they still call that Campton. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: mm-hmm. {NW} Interviewer: {D: What creek} {X} 464: {X} which one. Interviewer: {X} 464: {D: Thing just} {NW} somethings {D: they had here} {NS} {NS} Interviewer: How old are you? 464: {NW} {NS} now wait now let me go and look, let you look for yourself. Interviewer: Oh just tell me where it is and I can 464: I'll get it. Let you see. Crazy mind I got too old {NS} to keep my mind together I reckon. {NS} {D: well it's that you left here} I went now look I have a new Bible, I bet it's in both of the Bible {X} {NW} He put these papers in here where I do you see it don't you? Interviewer: Is this 464: {X} {X} place. That one was this one over here {D: one} {NS} Do you see my name in here? {NS} Interviewer: Do you know what page it 464: Pull that light on up there, maybe you can see better. Interviewer: Okay. {X} {X} {B} 464: Say it was my {B} {D: cleaner} Now my name {B} from married {D: days uh} Interviewer: Uh you were born this is is your marriage here? 464: Say what? Interviewer: This is your marriage to William {B} 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 Okay # 464: #2 William # {X} Interviewer: You were born in eighteen-ninety-seven. 464: Uh-huh. {NS} Well now how old will I be now? {D: How is way from now} I'm so crazy uh {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What'd I say? Eighteen-ninety-seven? 464: Mm I think yeah I think that's what you said. {NW} Yeah. Eighteen-ninety-seven. Interviewer: That'd make you seventy-six then. 464: Seventy-six. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: Have you um ever worked outside your home? 464: Outside what you talking about? People's houses and places Interviewer: Yeah. {X} 464: That's all I ever have done honey is to work {NW} outside. Interviewer: Well te- 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 tell me # about what type of work you've done. 464: Well I house worked and worked in fields and worked in the woods. I have know long time ago they used to rake pine trees like they chip 'em now they don't rake 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But you used to rake 'em round 'em in Interviewer: #1 {D: right} # 464: #2 then you'd # set the woods afire, keep 'em from burning. I've raked trees. Sawed rail timber and and uh plowed and hoed and broke corn. Pulled fodder and done a little of everything, house work too. Interviewer: You say you plowed and pulled? 464: Plowed horses. You know when you're farming. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Come on. {C: knocking on door} Come on! {NS} {NS} Who is that? {NS} Who is that? Interviewer: {X} 464: Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah I done a little of everything. {NS} Like work line I have {X} Interviewer: Uh so 464: What does he want with me? Aux: {D: I wanna buy some hot chai} 464: Well look in there and see I don't know what I got in there now look and see. Yeah I've done a little of everything honey I've broke corn, pulled fodder. Raked trees and sawed rail timber and plowed and dug roots and done everything way back there. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: {NW} I {X} I could show you a field now if I was older and you was older that I used to dig re- roots in. Dig 'em up, little grubbing hole, had a know there's a grubbing hole on this side and a axe on the other. I digged them roots up did you find them? Interviewer: {X} 464: And then take that axe and chop 'em in {D: two in pile} {NS} I've done a little of everything. I done old model work but I ain't done none of this young model work {NW} Interviewer: {NW} {NS} 464: Mm house-cleaned and all. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What church do you go to? 464: Huh? Interviewer: What church do you go to? 464: Campton Baptist. Out did you go back out that way? Did you go back through this Interviewer: #1 No. # 464: #2 way? # Interviewer: We went up that way. 464: Did you? Well a lot of churches right out there, not far from here. They dove out, sit along the Right hand side of the road as you go back that way. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 Campton # Baptist. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you go to school at all? Did you get a chance to? 464: I went a little bit but I had to work {X} time and Interviewer: {NW} 464: and I weren't working but I was staying at home tending to the other children. While my momma was working. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} 464: {D: I about} {NS} second grade, that's the furthest I've got. {NW} And done near about forgot all of that that I know. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Do you remember the name of that school? 464: {D: school no} I sure don't remember the name of it. Sure don't. Uh-uh. Interviewer: Can you read or or write? Very well? 464: No. I I can write my name. It's {D: scattered} but that's about all of {NW} {NW} You know I did uh learn, I could write pretty good. But after I just quit going to school I just got to where I didn't try to {D: tragic none or} so I just forgot what little I did know, that's about it all but my name, I can spell my name and write it pretty good. Interviewer: Um have you been very active in your church? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Have you been very active in your church or did you belong to any clubs or anything like that? 464: Mm no. We didn't belong to no we just got ourself a club here lately. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: A saving club. But we ain't got no club in our church. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: We got ourself Mrs {B} you might know her. Live at Laurel Hill? She got us in a saving club you know? Interviewer: #1 What's that? # 464: #2 We meets # on Friday. Only second Friday night and pay a dollar a month. And then they draw it out Christmas. But we ain't got no clubs in our church. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: mm-hmm. mm-hmm Interviewer: You belong to that savings club though? 464: Mm what I was talking about? Interviewer: Yes. 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. Interviewer: Have you ever been outside of this county? 464: {NW} N- well I went to Nashville one time. And to Cleveland last year. I went up there and stayed with my daughter. Cleveland. Four or five weeks. She was gonna have an operation, I went up there and stayed with her children. While she was having an operation five weeks. Interviewer: Hmm. 464: And I went to Cleveland up to that was Cleveland. I went to Nashville and stayed with my other daughter a week-and-a-half. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 One # time. And that's the furthest I ever been. {NW} Interviewer: How do you like it up there in Nashville? 464: I liked it there well I didn't like it so much in Cleveland cause they killed people too much up there for me. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} I stayed I stayed up there five weeks in Cleveland. But I sure stayed in the house. And kept the door locked all day while the boys, the boys, she had two boy and they was going to school, they'd leave at eight o'clock in the morning and get in at four that evening. And I'd lock the door when they'd leave and I'd keep it locked until they come back in that evening. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} I didn't like it so well. Had to stay too close, couldn't get out and walk about. That's the furthest I've ever been is to Cleveland and Nashville. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Tell me something about your parents. 464: My parents? Interviewer: You know where where they were born and what kind of work they did. 464: Right back over there where I told you I was born {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Uh-huh. {NW} Farming. That's all they was doing was farming. Interviewer: Could they read and write? 464: Uh-uh. Interviewer: What do you know about your mother's parents? 464: My mother's parents oh boy she was way on {D: back cam} Uh-uh no no she couldn't even she couldn't read and write either. Interviewer: Whe- where was she born? 464: My f- my mother's mother? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Back over there in them woods {X} Interviewer: #1 In Campton? # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: Yeah back over there uh we'd call it Campton Campton but it's about two mile back over there on the other side of the creek. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What creek is that? 464: Muddy Creek they call it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Muddy Creek. Ooh boy. {NS} {NS} {NS} {NW} {NS} This here's my grandmother's picture, she looked like a man around the head, don't she? Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} Her name's Patsy. Interviewer: Uh-huh. She's really pretty. 464: Mm-hmm {NW} But I ain't got my mother's picture, I know that I {D: that was} that was on my family record. But got lost somehow or another. {NS} {D: I never did} My daddy's momma {D: David daughter's} picture. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} {X} and that left two them two over there that's the one one of 'em's in Nashville and the other one's in Cleveland. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} How many children do you have? 464: Eleven. Interviewer: {D: God} 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 Big family. # 464: #2 {NW} # {X} now them two they this young one lives in uh uh Nashville. And this one lives in Cleveland. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And that there's my boy that was in the army. That's W G {NS} {NW} That's {X} {X} that's one of my sons. right there That one sitting down was mine, I don't know who them is they Pete was in the army when he had that one made. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And that's my picture over there on that side. {D: This is where it is} {X} {NS} And that one standing that one's right up, that side of that window there that's my son lives up here in that white house. {NW} {NS} Interviewer: Do you know anything about your mother's father? 464: My mother's father? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-uh. No she was gone. He died my mother's father yeah he died before I was born. Interviewer: Did you hear anything about him? Where he was born or 464: N- no I sure didn't never let me see {X} wait a minute, I believe they said he was born in Alabama, I believe that's what Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 they # said. He was a dr- {B} My mother's father was a {B} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. {NS} {NW} My grandma, I don't know I don't know where she was born, {D: nearly} sure don't. I did hear 'em explain but I done forgot. You know they was way back then slavery time. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: My grandma and my granddaddy was. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: There were slaves in this area? Around Camp- 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 ten # 464: Yeah around, back over in there in this area. Interviewer: What about the your father's parents? 464: My father's parents? {NS} Well he was born right on in here I think something yeah. He was a he was a {B} He {B} he was born back up in that settlement Summer Staff up there not far from where we was raised at. Interviewer: What about your grandmother? 464: {NW} She was I think she was born right round in here too. Patsy. Interviewer: #1 Uh- # 464: #2 Her # name's Patsy. Interviewer: Can you tell me a little bit about your husband? 464: My husband? Oh well he was born in let's see here wait I gotta think {D: uh let's see} well I done forgot. Come to me directly maybe I reckon. {NS} Interviewer: You think he was born in this county? 464: Uh no he was born in uh let me see now North Carolina I think where he said he was born Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 at. # 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: He's passed away now? 464: Mm-hmm. He been passed seventeen year. mm Interviewer: In nineteen-fifty-six? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: How old was he? 464: He was seventy something I think. Interviewer: What church did he go to? 464: Maryville. He didn't go {NW} he didn't believe in going to church. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What um was his education? Do you know? 464: No I sure don't. Interviewer: Could he read and write or 464: Yeah he could read and write. But I don't know what grade he was in. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Was he very active in clubs? {X} 464: #1 Clubs. # Interviewer: #2 {D: clubs?} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Did he do much traveling? 464: No nothing. Nothing but traveling to the turpentine woods and back home. {NW} Interviewer: #1 That's the work he did? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Uh-huh. Yeah he worked turpentine. Interviewer: Do you know anything about his parents? 464: No, I didn't know a thing about his parents. Interviewer: And um can you tell me something about what this community's like? How much it's changed since you 464: {NW} Boy. It's changed so much that I couldn't tell you {NW} {NW} If I tell you, I couldn't tell you so much about how it's changed but it's changed a whole lot. Cause uh I was just talking to some of 'em the other day, I said well the t- times has changed up a lot. We used to long when I was about ten or twelve year old we'd go hoe all day long. For fifty cent a day. An hour breakfast and dinner. And had to take it in {X} And corn and grease and wheat and all such as that. Sure did, it's changed up a lot. So now people pay money. For what you do. And pays a whole lot more than what we got. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They sure do I was just talking to some of 'em the other d- uh yesterday or sometime about how times have changed. And I used to I'd take in washings. And uh we was buying this four acres when my husband passed and I was taking in washings and ironing {D: yard} And at this spring right down there, we'd go down there I'd go down there and wash all day long and come to the house and my son that lives up there in the white house now he was going to school then, I'd take out some peas or something or other for him to cook for him to have our supper. And we'd go to we'd come to the house, and he'd have supper done, we'd eat supper. And then uh the white lady lived down here in this first door you get to down here. It was Mr {B} lived in there then. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And his daughter would come up here and pick us up. And we'd go down there and clean up her store that night fold dresses and old pants for my children and what I'm talking about they'd be made and old dresses would be made outta sugar sack. And we'd go down and clean up the store. That's like I was telling my brother a while ago, I was throwing all them scraps I said now these big old scraps I'm sewing up now I said Lord we'd have been glad to got 'em. To made our children some dresses and shirts out now we making quilts out. God knows we I have worked a million night after I'd worked all day cleaning up that store down there right down there, the first store you get to. Went down there and scrubbed and cleaned up that store a million night for old sugar sack dresses. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: That girl's momma would make her old dresses outta sugar sacks and we'd go down there and work and she'd give us some old dresses for the work we'd done round there that night. It's changed up a whole lot. Interviewer: Do you think things are a whole lot better than? 464: Hmm? Interviewer: Do you think things are a whole lot better than then they were? 464: In one way they is but it's worser in {X} {NW} but it's a whole lot better in getting clothes now than it was then. Lord the gross has gone up so high and {X} Yes- {X} quit thinking about eating it I reckon. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I'd like to to have an idea of what the the house that you grew up in looked like. Did you live in did you move around much when you were young? Or did you live in just one house? {X} 464: No we I moved around now. When my momma first married she was living over the creek there. Not far from where {NS} I was telling you about a while ago. And then after she'd married we moved up to Laurel Hill. Do you know where the {D: Josh Hart} place is? Up in Laurel Hill? Well. It's just on this side of Laurel Hill, back off in a field. We lived out there. A while. We left from there and then we moved back down here. In this stayed back out in the woods a while over there. And then after I married I lived back over there to the {D: Lundy} place. You know where that is? Interviewer: What place is that? 464: {D: Lundy place back} way back across the creek over there. Interviewer: Huh. 464: Well I lived back there and then when I left from there I moved to Campton and I been here ever since. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well that's good. 464: There ain't been much moving I've done. {NW} Interviewer: What do you remember what that which house did you live the most number of years in? 464: Which house I lived the most number in? {NW} right here in Campton. Interviewer: In this house here? 464: No not this one. I lived in one right up the hill there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: First. And then I moved from there and moved in one right there where that collard patch is. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then I moved from there and I moved here and I been here ever since. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I been here about twenty let's see I've been living up here uh living up on the hill there when my husband died. About twenty twenty-seven twenty-eight year ago and I been living right here ever since. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 What's that um # 464: #2 {D: I ain't done} # much moving about. Interviewer: Uh-huh. I'd like to get sort of a a sketch of this you know this house and one of the other houses that you lived in in Campton. 464: {D: Say what?} Interviewer: I'd like to sort of get an idea of what it looks like. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Could # 464: {NW} Interviewer: You either draw it for me or you tell me 464: #1 Oh I can't # Interviewer: #2 and I'll try to draw it # 464: draw it honey. What? Would you like to get this one? Interviewer: Okay this would be fine. 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 What # how many rooms does this house have? 464: It's got two three bedrooms and uh it's got five. Five rooms. Interviewer: Is it what shape is it? Square or longer than it is wide or what? 464: Honey you'll have to get up and look over it and see, I can't {NW} Interviewer: Well {D: what um} there's in the front of the house there's these two rooms here? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah {X} Closet in that room there and the one in the other room there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. so maybe something like that? 464: #1 Uh uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 This is the room we're in now? # 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What um then what about back there? What's that room? 464: Back there that's the kitchen and dining room. And there a bedroom back there too. Interviewer: Oh. 464: There are three bedrooms and living room and there's the kitchen and dining room together. Interviewer: Where's the are there two bedrooms back there? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Interviewer: You mean just like 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 is there # {D: tall or } 464: Well wait, come on I'll show you. Then I don't have to tell you. Interviewer: What do you call this room that we're in right now? 464: The living room. Interviewer: And what about that right out there? 464: What's that? Interviewer: Well 464: That's the porch out there. Interviewer: Okay. Does it it go all the way across the house? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah it goes all the way across. Interviewer: Do you have a back porch? 464: No. I don't have no back porch. {NS} {NS} Interviewer: How do you get the heating in this house? {NS} 464: Fireplace. {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: Wood. {NW} Interviewer: And um talking about the fireplace. 464: Hmm? Interviewer: You'd say the smoke goes up through the 464: Uh-huh. It goes up that way. Interviewer: What do you call that? 464: Wha- Interviewer: That it goes through. You call that 464: Chimney. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: {X} 464: What's that, a cricket or a roach? Interviewer: it's a cricket. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um what do you call that part right there? 464: This here down here? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: That's the {D: hurry} Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And uh the stove things back there that you set your wood on? 464: Firedogs. Interviewer: Okay. And that thing up there? 464: That's {X} this here thing right there? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: That's the mantelpiece. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Any {D: novel} name for that? 464: Hmm? Interviewer: Any old-fashioned name for that? 464: mm-mm no that's the mantelpiece, all I ever hear it. Interviewer: Okay. How would if you wanted to start a fire how would you do that? 464: How to start a fire? Interviewer: Yes 464: #1 fire # Interviewer: #2 what # kind of wood would you use? 464: Well get you some fat splinters. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh to start it I always pour you some kerosene on that wood back up there and stick a match to it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever hear those fat splinters called anything else? 464: mm-mm Interviewer: You ever heard of kindling or lighters? 464: Oh yeah, I have hearing about kindling splinters. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm, yeah. Sure have. Interviewer: What's that? 464: That's a fat wood, little fat splinters you know you'd chip up small. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And say you might take a a big piece of wood and set that toward the back of the fireplace and it'd burn for a long time? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Did you have a special name for that big piece of wood? 464: Mm-hmm. Backstick. {X} {NW} Interviewer: #1 That's okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} I had one all Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 that got # 464: a boy put me on one here the other week when it was so cold. It blasted all night and way up in the day the next day. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: We'd call 'em backstick, #1 that's what # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # 464: we always called 'em. {NW} Interviewer: And what about the black stuff that forms in the chimney? 464: Smut? Interviewer: Okay. Any other name for that? 464: Say what? Interviewer: Is there any other name for that? 464: Mm-mm. Not as I know of, all I ever hear it is smut. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: You know ashes down in the bottom where the wood burns. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you ever hear soot or soot? 464: Soot. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What's 464: #1 Call it # Interviewer: #2 that? # 464: soot. Smut I call it. They call it soot but I call it smut. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um talking about things that you have in a room um this thing here is called a {C: tapping} 464: Say what? This here? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: I don't Interviewer: I mean this. {NS} This. 464: Oh. That's a chair. Interviewer: Okay. {NW} What about this thing that I'm sitting on? 464: That's a a what do you call it? I don't know, I done forgot. {NS} {D: Now} {X} Can't think, my mind's too bad now. {NS} It's uh sofa chair ain't it? Interviewer: Okay. Any other name for that? 464: Mm-mm. {NS} I don't know. {NS} Interviewer: What's um and what might you have in your your bedroom to keep your clothes in? 464: Say what? Interviewer: What's what's those things that you have in your bedroom to keep you clothes in? 464: {X} Uh {NS} {D: My God} {X} uh closet? Interviewer: Okay. What else? 464: Chifforobe? Interviewer: What's a chifforobe look like? 464: Huh? Interviewer: What does a chifforobe look like? 464: It's something old high something where you can hang your clothes up in it and drawers. On the sides. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about something that um just has drawers in it? 464: Chest? Interviewer: Huh? 464: Chest of drawers? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Any old things that people used to have? 464: Hmm. Hmm. {X} The old things that people used to have. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Trunks. Interviewer: Okay. {NW} And um say if you wanted to buy a table or a chair or something like that what kind of store would you go to? 464: {X} furniture store? Interviewer: Okay. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Um this is something on on rollers that you can pull down and keep out the light and hang from the windows. 464: {X} keep out the light. Shades. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um 464: I have to study 'em {D: first} {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And what do you call the the top part of the house? The covering on the house? 464: Covering on the house well let's see the uh {X} the topping? Interviewer: Yeah or or if someone was up there working on it you'd say 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 he's # up on the 464: Top of the house I reckon. Interviewer: Or another name for that. He's 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 up # on the 464: Oh God Interviewer: He has 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 to fix # a hole in the 464: You ain't talking about the topping in- inside is {D: he?} Interviewer: No I mean the on the ou- 464: on the outside. {NS} Children ain't it? Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 Make that # noise. Is it? {X} Interviewer: There's some name for it starts with an R r- 464: Roofing? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} I tell you I'll forget or I'll know a heap of these things that I have to study over it. Interviewer: Yeah? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What's um what do you call those little things along the the edge of the roof that you have to carry the water off? 464: Let's see the carry the water off I can't think about that now what is it? Interviewer: #1 Well did you have something # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: like that um 464: {X} I know what you're talking about but I can't call it. Where the water runs off like that off of the edge of the house Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But I can't call the name of it. What is it? Interviewer: Well there's 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 there's different names for it. # Interviewer: Do you call it um {D: tross or} gutters? 464: {X} yeah gutters gutters I knowed it but I just couldn't think {D: me} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm gutters. Interviewer: What about um the when you have a house at an L? That place where they come together? 464: Say what about it? Di- what do you call that low place? Where the house and the L join? 464: {X} {C: children playing} call it a something but I done forgot. I can't think of what you call it now. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um and um you men- well talking about the if you had a little room at the top of the house you know just underneath the roof? 464: {X} underneath the roof. Interviewer: Just a little room up there. 464: Mm-mm {NW} I can't think now what what you'd call it. {NW} Interviewer: Um you mentioned the the kitchen. Do you remember um seeing different kinds of kitchens built? Like a kitchen built separate from the rest of the house? Or 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What was that like? 464: Well the one I've went seen built separate from the house. {C: children playing} Only one I can remem- remember was my grandma. And she had a the house was built over here {D: ne-} the porch went through here and the kitchen was built off over there from the porch. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Sorta like a hall through there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: The kitchen was built off over there. Interviewer: Do they call that porch anything special? 464: That's what they call it, the porch, that's what they called it long time ago. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Do you remember hearing different names for different kinds of porches? Like a porch that'd go around more than one side of the house it going around the house? 464: {X} Mm-hmm. {X} I have heard it but I done forgot about it. {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever heard something like um piazza or veranda or gallery or? 464: What? What? Interviewer: Piazza? Or gallery? 464: Gallery. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Well I hear it used to long time ago I used to hear 'em talking about a gallery. Interviewer: What was that? 464: {NW} I called it a porch now. But it was something built onto the house like that on the front of the house like that they called it gallery then. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what would you call a little room off the kitchen? 464: {X} a bath? Off from the kitchen? Interviewer: Yeah where you could keep canned goods and things. 464: Uh oh I can't think of the name of it now. I know but I just can't think of the name of it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You know where you keep canned goods, I know what I know what you're talking about but I just can't think of the name of 'em now. Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What'd y'all used to 464: Porch. Uh uh I might could call it but I done forgot it that quick. Interviewer: You call it pan- 464: Huh? Interviewer: Pan- 464: Mm-hmm. Pan- pantry. {D: Right} Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about the say if you had a a lot of um old worthless things that weren't much good anymore you might say well that's not good for anything, that's just Say old furniture. You might 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 say that's # 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 that's no good # that's just 464: Something in the way {D: right} Interviewer: Uh-huh. B- 464: B- Say what? Interviewer: No go ahead. 464: I said you oughta to have here a {C: children playing} um {NS} {C: children playing} what do you call it? Mm well I can't think of that now. Cause I got some old stuff here that ain't no good. {NW} One of my sons was talking about building me a little old house out there to put it in but I done forgot what they call 'em though. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You call that a junk house 464: Mm- Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 hmm # Yeah a junk house. Yeah. I've got some old dresses and things here that but see I hate to throw anything away and burn it up because here about two years ago my daughter was staying here with me and she was working down in Crestview Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and somebody give her a bunch of nice white shirts starched {D: and nice} pretty. She brought 'em here, she say ma she say a- a- whoever it was who give me these things she said but I know we didn't need 'em but I brought 'em on here and uh she said you can do whatever you want to with 'em. I said well I'll keep 'em. I said somebody might need 'em. And it weren't three weeks before family got burned out up at Laurel Hill Interviewer: {NW} 464: And {D: Celine} was down here and I said well them shirts come in good. I said yeah Said I'll give 'em to them. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I said I hate to throw away anything cause somebody might need it one day. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And so I kept them and they had got burned out and I give 'em them them white shirts and two pillows somebody had given me. I didn't have no use for 'em but I kept 'em piled up here until somebody come along that did have a use for 'em. {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 464: I don't love to throw away nothing. Yeah. Got that old dresser right full of junk back in there. And my son that lives up in that house, said momma I'm gonna build you a old junk house where you can put this stuff in it. I say yeah, I say somebody might need it someday if I don't {NW} {NW} Yeah. Dear Lord hard as I come through {X} I ought to try to save every little thing. I've worked hard. My husband died when I was paying for these four acres of land. Hadn't paid but twenty dollars on it. And it was two-hundred-and-five dollars. And he died and we just paid a twenty dollars down on the place. Here and I was washed and ironed and scrubbed and swept yards and done a little of everything. Got us later at night talk I said well Lord I say you know I paid for this place honest. And I sure did, I paid for it honest, God knows I did. I worked it out. Scrubbing washing, hoeing cleaning yards and doing a little of everything. {D: In fact} one of my daughter-in-laws come by here this morning I hadn't got up it was deep day I hadn't got up she say lay up on your money, I said yeah I'm laying up on that I used to do. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Say um if your house was in a big mess you'd say you had to do what? 464: Clean it up. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Clean it up. Interviewer: Okay. And what would you use to sweep with? 464: Say what would I sweep with? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I'd sweep with a stick broom and mop with a mop. {NW} Interviewer: And say if the if the broom was in that corner there and the door was open so it was sort of hiding the broom you'd say that the broom was 464: Say what? Interviewer: You'd say the broom was where? 464: Back in the corner behind the door here. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um now there's um where would a say a an unmarried man, where might he he take his shirts to have them washed and ironed? 464: To the laundry. Interviewer: Okay. Would you ever use that word laundry to mean washing and ironing? 464: Say which? Interviewer: How do you use the word laundry? {NS} 464: Wash 'em and {NS} iron 'em I reckon. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Would would you # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: ever say I have to the laundry instead of I have to do the washing and ironing? 464: Say what? Interviewer: Wha- you might say I have to do the washing and ironing 464: {NW} Interviewer: Would you ever say I have to do the laundry? 464: Mm-mm. No I don't know now. Interviewer: Okay. 464: I ain't never done none of that so I don't know nothing about it. {NW} Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um and if you had a two-story house to get from the first floor to the second floor you'd have a 464: Say what? Interviewer: If you had a two-story house to get from the first floor to the second floor {NS} 464: I would have to Interviewer: Well what would you have in the house? {NS} 464: I'd have to go upstairs I reckon. Interviewer: Okay you'd call that the what you'd walk up, you'd call 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 that the # 464: the uh {D: oh I don't know} you'll have to tell me what to call Interviewer: #1 You'd call that the stairs or? # 464: #2 {NW} # Uh-huh. Yeah, I'd call it the stairs. Interviewer: Okay. What about outside from the porch to the ground? 464: From the porch to the ground? Well I'd call that downstairs. Interviewer: Well what would you call the what do you have out here from from your porch down to the ground? 464: What I have the Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Steps. Doorsteps. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um say if the door was open and you didn't want it to be you'd tell someone to 464: Close it. Interviewer: Or another word you might use. 464: Fasten the door. Interviewer: Or 464: What? Interviewer: You might say close the door or you might say 464: Fasten the door. Interviewer: Or 464: {D: Well I don't know} Gosh I sure don't know what I'd say then. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Um {D: you know some} what do you call the the boards on the outside of the house that lap over each other? 464: {NW} lap over each other. Interviewer: I think her house next door has it. 464: {NW} uh {NW} Interviewer: You know what I mean? 464: {NW} Interviewer: Do you know what I mean? 464: Mm-mm. Interviewer: You know some houses they're um they're built out of wood 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 and they # take the boards 464: Mm-hmm, lap 'em over like that. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Mm-hmm. I know what you're talking about but I don't know what I'd call it. {NW} Interviewer: Would you call it something like weatherboard 464: #1 Yes. # Interviewer: #2 or siding # 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sure would. Interviewer: What would you call it? 464: Call it weatherboard. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um if you wanted to hang up a picture you'd take a nail and a 464: Nail it up on the wall. Interviewer: And what would you nail it with? 464: Say what would I nail it with? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: A hammer. Interviewer: Okay. You'd say I took the hammer and I what the nail into the wall? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I took the hammer and I what the nail in? 464: Hmm. Yeah knocked it into the wall. Interviewer: Okay. Or another word you might use instead of knocked it you'd say I 464: Nailed it in. Interviewer: Okay. You'd say um you'd say I I get in my car and I what into town? 464: Crank it up? Go to town? Interviewer: Okay. Um and if you're talking about driving you'd say um I get in my car and I what into town? 464: Drive. Interviewer: And you say yesterday I what my car? 464: Done what? Interviewer: Yesterday I 464: {D: driv} {C: past tense of drive} my car into town? Interviewer: Okay. And you say I have what my car into town? 464: Huh? Parked it. Interviewer: Or talking about driving it you say I have 464: {D: driv} {C: past tense of drive} my car into town. Interviewer: Okay. And um {NS} what might you um what would you call a little building that's used for storing wood? 464: Say which? Interviewer: You did you ever have a a little building for storing wood or for storing tools? 464: No I sure haven't. Interviewer: What's um you know before people had had bathrooms inside their house they used to have 464: Before people Interviewer: Before people had bathrooms inside their house. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Everybody had what? 464: {NW} Chambers I call 'em. {NW} Or pee pots {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What about out in the yard? 464: Out in the yard. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: What about out in the yard huh? Interviewer: That little building. 464: Little building. {X} I don't know, ain't never had any little building in the yard. Interviewer: Or 464: Oh. I know what you're talking about, restrooms. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is that what you called 'em? 464: Mm that's what I always called 'em, restrooms. {NW} Interviewer: What other names 464: Closets. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Closets. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What else did people call that? 464: Let's see I don't know now. I always called 'em closets, outside closets and Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: such as that. Interviewer: Did you ever hear any um names for it that weren't very nice? 464: {NW} Shit house. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} {NS} {NW} Oh Lordy. Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And um you might say 464: {NW} Interviewer: might say well I don't smoke cigars but he 464: He do. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what different buildings did you have on the farm? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What different buildings did you have on a farm? 464: Buildings. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {D: Well} Interviewer: What what was the biggest building besides the house? 464: I couldn't tell you. Sure don't know that now. Besides the house {D: I don't know} Interviewer: #1 {D: or what} # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: where did you {NS} keep the hay? 464: Oh in a barn. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 What part # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: of the barn? 464: The upper part of the barn. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 Barn. # Interviewer: What was that called? 464: Huh. Hay barn. Interviewer: Or the upper part. 464: The upper part. The I don't know. I called it upstairs, I don't know Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um where did you keep corn? 464: In a crib. Interviewer: Okay. Was that part of the barn or what? 464: Down under the barn. Interviewer: Uh-huh. It was in the bottom floor of the barn? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Did you ever hear of a a building used for storing grain? 464: Grain. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {X} No I don't believe I did, if there is I forgot it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And say if you had a too much hay to put up in the barn you might leave it outside in a what? 464: Stake it around a post. Interviewer: Okay, you'd call that a when you do that you'd call that a a what? 464: Hay. Haystack. Interviewer: Okay. And um when you first cut the hay you know and you let it dry and then you rake it up what do you call those little piles of hay that you rake up? 464: Bale it. Interviewer: Well before they baled it. What do they call those little piles that they'd rake up? 464: {X} I don't know what they call that little piles. {C: children playing} Interviewer: Would you hear something like a a cock or a shock or doodle or a 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {D: Rick} {D: Okay} 464: {X} Uh-huh. shock it don't they Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what different animals did you have on the farm? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What different animals did people use to have? 464: We only had horses and cows and mules and goats and Interviewer: What about to eat? 464: What? Interviewer: What about to eat? 464: Hogs. Interviewer: Okay. Where did where did they keep the cows? 464: Well they mostly kept 'em in a pasture and go in into the barn every evening. They'd come into the barn in the evening. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Fasten them up. Had pens to put hogs in. Interviewer: What'd you call 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 them? # 464: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 464: Huh? Interviewer: What'd you call those pens? 464: Hogpens. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about the a fenced in place for a cow? Where you could leave him overnight? 464: Pastures. Interviewer: Or a small place you could leave 'em for milking. Leave 'em over night. 464: In a pen. Cow pen. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And where did you keep horses? 464: Kept 'em in stables. Interviewer: Would that what was that like? 464: You know little places just big enough for a horse to go into. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What'd you call the place around the barn where the animals would walk around? {NS} 464: I'd call it lots. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um you say corn grows in a 464: Hmm? Interviewer: You'd say corn grows in a what? 464: Fields. Interviewer: Okay. Um and talking about raising cotton when you get out there with a hoe and you kinda thin it out 464: #1 don't talk # Interviewer: #2 you call that # 464: about cotton. {NW} Say which? Interviewer: Huh? 464: What did you say? Interviewer: Did you ever work with cotton any? 464: Lord have mercy honey, I reckon I have. Interviewer: What sort of work would you have to do? 464: Have to chop it, you know they'd sow it. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 With a # {D: straw that's} sow it thick. Then when it would get up about like that you'd have to go through and pull it, chop it out like that to a stand Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And thin it out and leave two heels to a stand. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-mm. Yeah I have done my part of that. Chopping cotton. Interviewer: What do you call the grass that grows up in a cotton field? 464: Well it's uh it's uh {NS} {D: it's all grass now} I forget the name of it but some of it's old old uh I can't think of the name of that grass. It's old hay grass some of it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Hmm. wild grass here late now these late years they got what these old moody grass be in it. And cotton and stuff you hoe like that. Interviewer: {D: Motor} grass? 464: Moody grass. Interviewer: Oh. {D: Moody} 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: #1 How # 464: #2 And # water grass. Water grass be in cotton too. Interviewer: What's water gr- 464: Water grass, it grows old high up stuff. Be in big bunches. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: How would you get a a field or a patch ready for planting? 464: Say how you would get it ready for planting. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 464: Well take a uh disk and break it up. Interviewer: You take a what? 464: A disk. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And break it up. As flat {X} And then when you get ready to plant go back and take care o- a steel beam and lay off the rows Interviewer: #1 What's a # 464: #2 like that. # Interviewer: steel beam? 464: It's that's old big plow that uh big old plow on it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: You break it up like that. Interviewer: What other kinds of plows are there? 464: Well there's scrapes and scooters and shovels and {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} and there's field beans and and I done forgot them other little old plows, I done forgot the name of them. Interviewer: What about something that breaks up the ground finer than a plow, it's got little teeth to it? 464: That's a disk I think. Interviewer: Or have you ever heard another name for that? It's got teeth to it? 464: Mm-mm. No I don't think I have. Interviewer: You ever hear spring-tooth? 464: I mighta have but if it is I Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 forgot # 'em but I know they breaks them up with a disk. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about a harrow or a farrow? 464: Mm-hmm. I've hearing talk of them but Interviewer: What's that? 464: This some kind of plow that you know them come in since I've been quit farming. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: What do they call that? 464: {D: Well I don't} uh disk? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They call that disk. Mm-hmm. You see I think the disk is up {D: land river} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: You never heard of harrow or farrow? 464: Harrow harrow harrow. Yeah I have heard of 'em. Sure have. Interviewer: What's that? 464: A harrow, a harrow a Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: something or other they called it, I don't know {D: now} Interviewer: What's um uh let's see um what would you call a place now where they had a lot of milk cows and they do you use that word dairy to mean anything else? 464: Huh? Interviewer: We- where where did you use to keep milk and butter before you had refrigerators? 464: {NW} {D: I don't know} I sure can't tell you that. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Well whe- where did you # 464: #2 {NW} # {X} Well when we when we was having milk and butter why we mostly always drank it up fast as it got {NW} {D: got drank it} {NW} you know they'd keep it a day or two and it would clabber, we'd churn it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then we'd drink that buttermilk. {NW} But never was none sour on us. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What different kinds of um fences are there? 464: Fences? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: To keep the stock in you talking about? Interviewer: Yeah. {C: child screaming} 464: Well there are wire fences and Interviewer: What kinds of 464: #1 fence # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Huh? 464: Or {D: hot} wire. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh Interviewer: What about the kind of wire that will catch your clothes on it? 464: Do what? Interviewer: What about that kind of wire that will snag your clothes on it? 464: Barbed wire. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about the old-fashioned wooden fence people used to have? 464: {NW} Well I don't know. {NW} {C: child} That's what I was talking about a while ago, I used to saw rail timber they'd saw the I think it was seven foot. They'd saw them blocks off. And then split 'em up and make rails out them and make fences out of them long time ago. Interviewer: What'd they call those fences? 464: They called 'em rail fence. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What kinds of fences did people have around their yard? 464: Yard. {NW} They mostly always have I don't know now. {NS} I did know but I done forgot now what they call it. Interviewer: Did you ever see something that comes to a point at the top that 464: Mm-hmm. But I don't know what you call 'em though. {NW} Sure don't {NW} Interviewer: Did you hear um 464: {NW} Interviewer: slat fence or paling fence or 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 I # yeah I've heard of that. Interviewer: What? 464: Paling and picket fences and Interviewer: Is that the same thing? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Is that the same thing? Paling, what'd you use to call it? 464: I called it I used to call it picket picket fences. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But they'd have you know, there'd be little sharp points up like that. {X} up up on the top of the pickets. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Would they be nailed together or 464: Uh-huh. Yeah, they'd nail strips and then nail them little pieces around on the edge of them strips. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say if you were gonna set up a wire fence you'd say you'd have to dig holes for the 464: Posts. Interviewer: And say you'd you'd dig a hole then you'd set the 464: Post down in it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: And then tack the wire around them posts. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you ever {NW} they may not have had this around here but did you ever see a fence or a wall made out of loose stone or rock? 464: Mm-mm. I ain't never seen that. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um if you wanted to make a hen start laying what might you put in her nest to fool her? 464: Say what? What you put in a nest to fool her. I sure don't know. I don't know that now. {NW} Interviewer: That wasn't these plastic dishes did they? 464: No they wouldn't be plastic, they'd be uh uh {NS} it's uh one of my brothers used to say they'd be every place I reckon. {NW} Interviewer: #1 That they'd what? # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} I says one of my brothers used to say they'd be every place I reckon. {NW} {D: Near all Athen wooden} them less easy broke. Interviewer: Yeah. I was thinking of um chin- 464: China. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {C: speech distortion} 464: {C: speech distortion} Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Did you ever see an egg made out of that? 464: Any what? Interviewer: Did you ever see an egg made out of {D: any of that?} 464: Mm-mm. {C: speech distortion} Interviewer: What did people use to carry water in? 464: What did they use to carry water in? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {C: speech distortion} jugs {C: speech distortion} wooden buckets. {C: tape distortion} Interviewer: Okay. Now what did you use to milk in? 464: {C: speech distortion} Milk in a {X} {C: speech distortion} Let's see now {X} milk I done forgot {C: tape distortion} what you call 'em, what you milk in. {NS} tin buckets. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And what about the thing you'd have in a kitchen to put uh food for the hogs in? 464: Slop jars slop buckets? Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you cut some flowers and were gonna keep 'em in the house you'd put 'em in a 464: Jar and some water. Interviewer: Or it might not be a jar it might 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 be a # 464: cup or something with water in it. Interviewer: Uh-huh.