464: Say what? Interviewer: Your name? 464: {B} Interviewer: And your address? 464: My address {D: well I don't} crazy I {B} Interviewer: Okay. And the name of this community? 464: Campton, Florida. Interviewer: And the county? 464: I don't know that now. {NW} so crazy I {NW} {NW} uh {NW} {D: Cretchville} I reckon. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {X} {NW} Interviewer: And where were you born? {NS} 464: Well it was back in the bushes but {NW} {NS} I was born back across the creek over here about three mile from here. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But they still call that Campton. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: mm-hmm. {NW} Interviewer: {D: What creek} {X} 464: {X} which one. Interviewer: {X} 464: {D: Thing just} {NW} somethings {D: they had here} {NS} {NS} Interviewer: How old are you? 464: {NW} {NS} now wait now let me go and look, let you look for yourself. Interviewer: Oh just tell me where it is and I can 464: I'll get it. Let you see. Crazy mind I got too old {NS} to keep my mind together I reckon. {NS} {D: well it's that you left here} I went now look I have a new Bible, I bet it's in both of the Bible {X} {NW} He put these papers in here where I do you see it don't you? Interviewer: Is this 464: {X} {X} place. That one was this one over here {D: one} {NS} Do you see my name in here? {NS} Interviewer: Do you know what page it 464: Pull that light on up there, maybe you can see better. Interviewer: Okay. {X} {X} {B} 464: Say it was my {B} {D: cleaner} Now my name {B} from married {D: days uh} Interviewer: Uh you were born this is is your marriage here? 464: Say what? Interviewer: This is your marriage to William {B} 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 Okay # 464: #2 William # {X} Interviewer: You were born in eighteen-ninety-seven. 464: Uh-huh. {NS} Well now how old will I be now? {D: How is way from now} I'm so crazy uh {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What'd I say? Eighteen-ninety-seven? 464: Mm I think yeah I think that's what you said. {NW} Yeah. Eighteen-ninety-seven. Interviewer: That'd make you seventy-six then. 464: Seventy-six. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: Have you um ever worked outside your home? 464: Outside what you talking about? People's houses and places Interviewer: Yeah. {X} 464: That's all I ever have done honey is to work {NW} outside. Interviewer: Well te- 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 tell me # about what type of work you've done. 464: Well I house worked and worked in fields and worked in the woods. I have know long time ago they used to rake pine trees like they chip 'em now they don't rake 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But you used to rake 'em round 'em in Interviewer: #1 {D: right} # 464: #2 then you'd # set the woods afire, keep 'em from burning. I've raked trees. Sawed rail timber and and uh plowed and hoed and broke corn. Pulled fodder and done a little of everything, house work too. Interviewer: You say you plowed and pulled? 464: Plowed horses. You know when you're farming. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Come on. {C: knocking on door} Come on! {NS} {NS} Who is that? {NS} Who is that? Interviewer: {X} 464: Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah I done a little of everything. {NS} Like work line I have {X} Interviewer: Uh so 464: What does he want with me? Aux: {D: I wanna buy some hot chai} 464: Well look in there and see I don't know what I got in there now look and see. Yeah I've done a little of everything honey I've broke corn, pulled fodder. Raked trees and sawed rail timber and plowed and dug roots and done everything way back there. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: {NW} I {X} I could show you a field now if I was older and you was older that I used to dig re- roots in. Dig 'em up, little grubbing hole, had a know there's a grubbing hole on this side and a axe on the other. I digged them roots up did you find them? Interviewer: {X} 464: And then take that axe and chop 'em in {D: two in pile} {NS} I've done a little of everything. I done old model work but I ain't done none of this young model work {NW} Interviewer: {NW} {NS} 464: Mm house-cleaned and all. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What church do you go to? 464: Huh? Interviewer: What church do you go to? 464: Campton Baptist. Out did you go back out that way? Did you go back through this Interviewer: #1 No. # 464: #2 way? # Interviewer: We went up that way. 464: Did you? Well a lot of churches right out there, not far from here. They dove out, sit along the Right hand side of the road as you go back that way. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 Campton # Baptist. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you go to school at all? Did you get a chance to? 464: I went a little bit but I had to work {X} time and Interviewer: {NW} 464: and I weren't working but I was staying at home tending to the other children. While my momma was working. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} 464: {D: I about} {NS} second grade, that's the furthest I've got. {NW} And done near about forgot all of that that I know. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Do you remember the name of that school? 464: {D: school no} I sure don't remember the name of it. Sure don't. Uh-uh. Interviewer: Can you read or or write? Very well? 464: No. I I can write my name. It's {D: scattered} but that's about all of {NW} {NW} You know I did uh learn, I could write pretty good. But after I just quit going to school I just got to where I didn't try to {D: tragic none or} so I just forgot what little I did know, that's about it all but my name, I can spell my name and write it pretty good. Interviewer: Um have you been very active in your church? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Have you been very active in your church or did you belong to any clubs or anything like that? 464: Mm no. We didn't belong to no we just got ourself a club here lately. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: A saving club. But we ain't got no club in our church. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: We got ourself Mrs {B} you might know her. Live at Laurel Hill? She got us in a saving club you know? Interviewer: #1 What's that? # 464: #2 We meets # on Friday. Only second Friday night and pay a dollar a month. And then they draw it out Christmas. But we ain't got no clubs in our church. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: mm-hmm. mm-hmm Interviewer: You belong to that savings club though? 464: Mm what I was talking about? Interviewer: Yes. 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. Interviewer: Have you ever been outside of this county? 464: {NW} N- well I went to Nashville one time. And to Cleveland last year. I went up there and stayed with my daughter. Cleveland. Four or five weeks. She was gonna have an operation, I went up there and stayed with her children. While she was having an operation five weeks. Interviewer: Hmm. 464: And I went to Cleveland up to that was Cleveland. I went to Nashville and stayed with my other daughter a week-and-a-half. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 One # time. And that's the furthest I ever been. {NW} Interviewer: How do you like it up there in Nashville? 464: I liked it there well I didn't like it so much in Cleveland cause they killed people too much up there for me. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} I stayed I stayed up there five weeks in Cleveland. But I sure stayed in the house. And kept the door locked all day while the boys, the boys, she had two boy and they was going to school, they'd leave at eight o'clock in the morning and get in at four that evening. And I'd lock the door when they'd leave and I'd keep it locked until they come back in that evening. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} I didn't like it so well. Had to stay too close, couldn't get out and walk about. That's the furthest I've ever been is to Cleveland and Nashville. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Tell me something about your parents. 464: My parents? Interviewer: You know where where they were born and what kind of work they did. 464: Right back over there where I told you I was born {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Uh-huh. {NW} Farming. That's all they was doing was farming. Interviewer: Could they read and write? 464: Uh-uh. Interviewer: What do you know about your mother's parents? 464: My mother's parents oh boy she was way on {D: back cam} Uh-uh no no she couldn't even she couldn't read and write either. Interviewer: Whe- where was she born? 464: My f- my mother's mother? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Back over there in them woods {X} Interviewer: #1 In Campton? # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: Yeah back over there uh we'd call it Campton Campton but it's about two mile back over there on the other side of the creek. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What creek is that? 464: Muddy Creek they call it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Muddy Creek. Ooh boy. {NS} {NS} {NS} {NW} {NS} This here's my grandmother's picture, she looked like a man around the head, don't she? Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} Her name's Patsy. Interviewer: Uh-huh. She's really pretty. 464: Mm-hmm {NW} But I ain't got my mother's picture, I know that I {D: that was} that was on my family record. But got lost somehow or another. {NS} {D: I never did} My daddy's momma {D: David daughter's} picture. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} {X} and that left two them two over there that's the one one of 'em's in Nashville and the other one's in Cleveland. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} How many children do you have? 464: Eleven. Interviewer: {D: God} 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 Big family. # 464: #2 {NW} # {X} now them two they this young one lives in uh uh Nashville. And this one lives in Cleveland. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And that there's my boy that was in the army. That's W G {NS} {NW} That's {X} {X} that's one of my sons. right there That one sitting down was mine, I don't know who them is they Pete was in the army when he had that one made. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And that's my picture over there on that side. {D: This is where it is} {X} {NS} And that one standing that one's right up, that side of that window there that's my son lives up here in that white house. {NW} {NS} Interviewer: Do you know anything about your mother's father? 464: My mother's father? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-uh. No she was gone. He died my mother's father yeah he died before I was born. Interviewer: Did you hear anything about him? Where he was born or 464: N- no I sure didn't never let me see {X} wait a minute, I believe they said he was born in Alabama, I believe that's what Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 they # said. He was a dr- {B} My mother's father was a {B} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. {NS} {NW} My grandma, I don't know I don't know where she was born, {D: nearly} sure don't. I did hear 'em explain but I done forgot. You know they was way back then slavery time. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: My grandma and my granddaddy was. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: There were slaves in this area? Around Camp- 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 ten # 464: Yeah around, back over in there in this area. Interviewer: What about the your father's parents? 464: My father's parents? {NS} Well he was born right on in here I think something yeah. He was a he was a {B} He {B} he was born back up in that settlement Summer Staff up there not far from where we was raised at. Interviewer: What about your grandmother? 464: {NW} She was I think she was born right round in here too. Patsy. Interviewer: #1 Uh- # 464: #2 Her # name's Patsy. Interviewer: Can you tell me a little bit about your husband? 464: My husband? Oh well he was born in let's see here wait I gotta think {D: uh let's see} well I done forgot. Come to me directly maybe I reckon. {NS} Interviewer: You think he was born in this county? 464: Uh no he was born in uh let me see now North Carolina I think where he said he was born Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 at. # 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: He's passed away now? 464: Mm-hmm. He been passed seventeen year. mm Interviewer: In nineteen-fifty-six? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: How old was he? 464: He was seventy something I think. Interviewer: What church did he go to? 464: Maryville. He didn't go {NW} he didn't believe in going to church. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What um was his education? Do you know? 464: No I sure don't. Interviewer: Could he read and write or 464: Yeah he could read and write. But I don't know what grade he was in. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Was he very active in clubs? {X} 464: #1 Clubs. # Interviewer: #2 {D: clubs?} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Did he do much traveling? 464: No nothing. Nothing but traveling to the turpentine woods and back home. {NW} Interviewer: #1 That's the work he did? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Uh-huh. Yeah he worked turpentine. Interviewer: Do you know anything about his parents? 464: No, I didn't know a thing about his parents. Interviewer: And um can you tell me something about what this community's like? How much it's changed since you 464: {NW} Boy. It's changed so much that I couldn't tell you {NW} {NW} If I tell you, I couldn't tell you so much about how it's changed but it's changed a whole lot. Cause uh I was just talking to some of 'em the other day, I said well the t- times has changed up a lot. We used to long when I was about ten or twelve year old we'd go hoe all day long. For fifty cent a day. An hour breakfast and dinner. And had to take it in {X} And corn and grease and wheat and all such as that. Sure did, it's changed up a lot. So now people pay money. For what you do. And pays a whole lot more than what we got. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They sure do I was just talking to some of 'em the other d- uh yesterday or sometime about how times have changed. And I used to I'd take in washings. And uh we was buying this four acres when my husband passed and I was taking in washings and ironing {D: yard} And at this spring right down there, we'd go down there I'd go down there and wash all day long and come to the house and my son that lives up there in the white house now he was going to school then, I'd take out some peas or something or other for him to cook for him to have our supper. And we'd go to we'd come to the house, and he'd have supper done, we'd eat supper. And then uh the white lady lived down here in this first door you get to down here. It was Mr {B} lived in there then. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And his daughter would come up here and pick us up. And we'd go down there and clean up her store that night fold dresses and old pants for my children and what I'm talking about they'd be made and old dresses would be made outta sugar sack. And we'd go down and clean up the store. That's like I was telling my brother a while ago, I was throwing all them scraps I said now these big old scraps I'm sewing up now I said Lord we'd have been glad to got 'em. To made our children some dresses and shirts out now we making quilts out. God knows we I have worked a million night after I'd worked all day cleaning up that store down there right down there, the first store you get to. Went down there and scrubbed and cleaned up that store a million night for old sugar sack dresses. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: That girl's momma would make her old dresses outta sugar sacks and we'd go down there and work and she'd give us some old dresses for the work we'd done round there that night. It's changed up a whole lot. Interviewer: Do you think things are a whole lot better than? 464: Hmm? Interviewer: Do you think things are a whole lot better than then they were? 464: In one way they is but it's worser in {X} {NW} but it's a whole lot better in getting clothes now than it was then. Lord the gross has gone up so high and {X} Yes- {X} quit thinking about eating it I reckon. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I'd like to to have an idea of what the the house that you grew up in looked like. Did you live in did you move around much when you were young? Or did you live in just one house? {X} 464: No we I moved around now. When my momma first married she was living over the creek there. Not far from where {NS} I was telling you about a while ago. And then after she'd married we moved up to Laurel Hill. Do you know where the {D: Josh Hart} place is? Up in Laurel Hill? Well. It's just on this side of Laurel Hill, back off in a field. We lived out there. A while. We left from there and then we moved back down here. In this stayed back out in the woods a while over there. And then after I married I lived back over there to the {D: Lundy} place. You know where that is? Interviewer: What place is that? 464: {D: Lundy place back} way back across the creek over there. Interviewer: Huh. 464: Well I lived back there and then when I left from there I moved to Campton and I been here ever since. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well that's good. 464: There ain't been much moving I've done. {NW} Interviewer: What do you remember what that which house did you live the most number of years in? 464: Which house I lived the most number in? {NW} right here in Campton. Interviewer: In this house here? 464: No not this one. I lived in one right up the hill there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: First. And then I moved from there and moved in one right there where that collard patch is. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then I moved from there and I moved here and I been here ever since. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I been here about twenty let's see I've been living up here uh living up on the hill there when my husband died. About twenty twenty-seven twenty-eight year ago and I been living right here ever since. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 What's that um # 464: #2 {D: I ain't done} # much moving about. Interviewer: Uh-huh. I'd like to get sort of a a sketch of this you know this house and one of the other houses that you lived in in Campton. 464: {D: Say what?} Interviewer: I'd like to sort of get an idea of what it looks like. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Could # 464: {NW} Interviewer: You either draw it for me or you tell me 464: #1 Oh I can't # Interviewer: #2 and I'll try to draw it # 464: draw it honey. What? Would you like to get this one? Interviewer: Okay this would be fine. 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 What # how many rooms does this house have? 464: It's got two three bedrooms and uh it's got five. Five rooms. Interviewer: Is it what shape is it? Square or longer than it is wide or what? 464: Honey you'll have to get up and look over it and see, I can't {NW} Interviewer: Well {D: what um} there's in the front of the house there's these two rooms here? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah {X} Closet in that room there and the one in the other room there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. so maybe something like that? 464: #1 Uh uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 This is the room we're in now? # 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What um then what about back there? What's that room? 464: Back there that's the kitchen and dining room. And there a bedroom back there too. Interviewer: Oh. 464: There are three bedrooms and living room and there's the kitchen and dining room together. Interviewer: Where's the are there two bedrooms back there? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Interviewer: You mean just like 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 is there # {D: tall or } 464: Well wait, come on I'll show you. Then I don't have to tell you. Interviewer: What do you call this room that we're in right now? 464: The living room. Interviewer: And what about that right out there? 464: What's that? Interviewer: Well 464: That's the porch out there. Interviewer: Okay. Does it it go all the way across the house? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah it goes all the way across. Interviewer: Do you have a back porch? 464: No. I don't have no back porch. {NS} {NS} Interviewer: How do you get the heating in this house? {NS} 464: Fireplace. {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: Wood. {NW} Interviewer: And um talking about the fireplace. 464: Hmm? Interviewer: You'd say the smoke goes up through the 464: Uh-huh. It goes up that way. Interviewer: What do you call that? 464: Wha- Interviewer: That it goes through. You call that 464: Chimney. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: {X} 464: What's that, a cricket or a roach? Interviewer: it's a cricket. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um what do you call that part right there? 464: This here down here? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: That's the {D: hurry} Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And uh the stove things back there that you set your wood on? 464: Firedogs. Interviewer: Okay. And that thing up there? 464: That's {X} this here thing right there? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: That's the mantelpiece. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Any {D: novel} name for that? 464: Hmm? Interviewer: Any old-fashioned name for that? 464: mm-mm no that's the mantelpiece, all I ever hear it. Interviewer: Okay. How would if you wanted to start a fire how would you do that? 464: How to start a fire? Interviewer: Yes 464: #1 fire # Interviewer: #2 what # kind of wood would you use? 464: Well get you some fat splinters. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh to start it I always pour you some kerosene on that wood back up there and stick a match to it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever hear those fat splinters called anything else? 464: mm-mm Interviewer: You ever heard of kindling or lighters? 464: Oh yeah, I have hearing about kindling splinters. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm, yeah. Sure have. Interviewer: What's that? 464: That's a fat wood, little fat splinters you know you'd chip up small. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And say you might take a a big piece of wood and set that toward the back of the fireplace and it'd burn for a long time? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Did you have a special name for that big piece of wood? 464: Mm-hmm. Backstick. {X} {NW} Interviewer: #1 That's okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} I had one all Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 that got # 464: a boy put me on one here the other week when it was so cold. It blasted all night and way up in the day the next day. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: We'd call 'em backstick, #1 that's what # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # 464: we always called 'em. {NW} Interviewer: And what about the black stuff that forms in the chimney? 464: Smut? Interviewer: Okay. Any other name for that? 464: Say what? Interviewer: Is there any other name for that? 464: Mm-mm. Not as I know of, all I ever hear it is smut. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: You know ashes down in the bottom where the wood burns. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you ever hear soot or soot? 464: Soot. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What's 464: #1 Call it # Interviewer: #2 that? # 464: soot. Smut I call it. They call it soot but I call it smut. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um talking about things that you have in a room um this thing here is called a {C: tapping} 464: Say what? This here? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: I don't Interviewer: I mean this. {NS} This. 464: Oh. That's a chair. Interviewer: Okay. {NW} What about this thing that I'm sitting on? 464: That's a a what do you call it? I don't know, I done forgot. {NS} {D: Now} {X} Can't think, my mind's too bad now. {NS} It's uh sofa chair ain't it? Interviewer: Okay. Any other name for that? 464: Mm-mm. {NS} I don't know. {NS} Interviewer: What's um and what might you have in your your bedroom to keep your clothes in? 464: Say what? Interviewer: What's what's those things that you have in your bedroom to keep you clothes in? 464: {X} Uh {NS} {D: My God} {X} uh closet? Interviewer: Okay. What else? 464: Chifforobe? Interviewer: What's a chifforobe look like? 464: Huh? Interviewer: What does a chifforobe look like? 464: It's something old high something where you can hang your clothes up in it and drawers. On the sides. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about something that um just has drawers in it? 464: Chest? Interviewer: Huh? 464: Chest of drawers? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Any old things that people used to have? 464: Hmm. Hmm. {X} The old things that people used to have. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Trunks. Interviewer: Okay. {NW} And um say if you wanted to buy a table or a chair or something like that what kind of store would you go to? 464: {X} furniture store? Interviewer: Okay. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Um this is something on on rollers that you can pull down and keep out the light and hang from the windows. 464: {X} keep out the light. Shades. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um 464: I have to study 'em {D: first} {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And what do you call the the top part of the house? The covering on the house? 464: Covering on the house well let's see the uh {X} the topping? Interviewer: Yeah or or if someone was up there working on it you'd say 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 he's # up on the 464: Top of the house I reckon. Interviewer: Or another name for that. He's 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 up # on the 464: Oh God Interviewer: He has 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 to fix # a hole in the 464: You ain't talking about the topping in- inside is {D: he?} Interviewer: No I mean the on the ou- 464: on the outside. {NS} Children ain't it? Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 Make that # noise. Is it? {X} Interviewer: There's some name for it starts with an R r- 464: Roofing? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} I tell you I'll forget or I'll know a heap of these things that I have to study over it. Interviewer: Yeah? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What's um what do you call those little things along the the edge of the roof that you have to carry the water off? 464: Let's see the carry the water off I can't think about that now what is it? Interviewer: #1 Well did you have something # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: like that um 464: {X} I know what you're talking about but I can't call it. Where the water runs off like that off of the edge of the house Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But I can't call the name of it. What is it? Interviewer: Well there's 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 there's different names for it. # Interviewer: Do you call it um {D: tross or} gutters? 464: {X} yeah gutters gutters I knowed it but I just couldn't think {D: me} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm gutters. Interviewer: What about um the when you have a house at an L? That place where they come together? 464: Say what about it? Di- what do you call that low place? Where the house and the L join? 464: {X} {C: children playing} call it a something but I done forgot. I can't think of what you call it now. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um and um you men- well talking about the if you had a little room at the top of the house you know just underneath the roof? 464: {X} underneath the roof. Interviewer: Just a little room up there. 464: Mm-mm {NW} I can't think now what what you'd call it. {NW} Interviewer: Um you mentioned the the kitchen. Do you remember um seeing different kinds of kitchens built? Like a kitchen built separate from the rest of the house? Or 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What was that like? 464: Well the one I've went seen built separate from the house. {C: children playing} Only one I can remem- remember was my grandma. And she had a the house was built over here {D: ne-} the porch went through here and the kitchen was built off over there from the porch. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Sorta like a hall through there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: The kitchen was built off over there. Interviewer: Do they call that porch anything special? 464: That's what they call it, the porch, that's what they called it long time ago. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Do you remember hearing different names for different kinds of porches? Like a porch that'd go around more than one side of the house it going around the house? 464: {X} Mm-hmm. {X} I have heard it but I done forgot about it. {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever heard something like um piazza or veranda or gallery or? 464: What? What? Interviewer: Piazza? Or gallery? 464: Gallery. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Well I hear it used to long time ago I used to hear 'em talking about a gallery. Interviewer: What was that? 464: {NW} I called it a porch now. But it was something built onto the house like that on the front of the house like that they called it gallery then. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what would you call a little room off the kitchen? 464: {X} a bath? Off from the kitchen? Interviewer: Yeah where you could keep canned goods and things. 464: Uh oh I can't think of the name of it now. I know but I just can't think of the name of it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You know where you keep canned goods, I know what I know what you're talking about but I just can't think of the name of 'em now. Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What'd y'all used to 464: Porch. Uh uh I might could call it but I done forgot it that quick. Interviewer: You call it pan- 464: Huh? Interviewer: Pan- 464: Mm-hmm. Pan- pantry. {D: Right} Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about the say if you had a a lot of um old worthless things that weren't much good anymore you might say well that's not good for anything, that's just Say old furniture. You might 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 say that's # 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 that's no good # that's just 464: Something in the way {D: right} Interviewer: Uh-huh. B- 464: B- Say what? Interviewer: No go ahead. 464: I said you oughta to have here a {C: children playing} um {NS} {C: children playing} what do you call it? Mm well I can't think of that now. Cause I got some old stuff here that ain't no good. {NW} One of my sons was talking about building me a little old house out there to put it in but I done forgot what they call 'em though. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You call that a junk house 464: Mm- Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 hmm # Yeah a junk house. Yeah. I've got some old dresses and things here that but see I hate to throw anything away and burn it up because here about two years ago my daughter was staying here with me and she was working down in Crestview Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and somebody give her a bunch of nice white shirts starched {D: and nice} pretty. She brought 'em here, she say ma she say a- a- whoever it was who give me these things she said but I know we didn't need 'em but I brought 'em on here and uh she said you can do whatever you want to with 'em. I said well I'll keep 'em. I said somebody might need 'em. And it weren't three weeks before family got burned out up at Laurel Hill Interviewer: {NW} 464: And {D: Celine} was down here and I said well them shirts come in good. I said yeah Said I'll give 'em to them. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I said I hate to throw away anything cause somebody might need it one day. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And so I kept them and they had got burned out and I give 'em them them white shirts and two pillows somebody had given me. I didn't have no use for 'em but I kept 'em piled up here until somebody come along that did have a use for 'em. {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 464: I don't love to throw away nothing. Yeah. Got that old dresser right full of junk back in there. And my son that lives up in that house, said momma I'm gonna build you a old junk house where you can put this stuff in it. I say yeah, I say somebody might need it someday if I don't {NW} {NW} Yeah. Dear Lord hard as I come through {X} I ought to try to save every little thing. I've worked hard. My husband died when I was paying for these four acres of land. Hadn't paid but twenty dollars on it. And it was two-hundred-and-five dollars. And he died and we just paid a twenty dollars down on the place. Here and I was washed and ironed and scrubbed and swept yards and done a little of everything. Got us later at night talk I said well Lord I say you know I paid for this place honest. And I sure did, I paid for it honest, God knows I did. I worked it out. Scrubbing washing, hoeing cleaning yards and doing a little of everything. {D: In fact} one of my daughter-in-laws come by here this morning I hadn't got up it was deep day I hadn't got up she say lay up on your money, I said yeah I'm laying up on that I used to do. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Say um if your house was in a big mess you'd say you had to do what? 464: Clean it up. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Clean it up. Interviewer: Okay. And what would you use to sweep with? 464: Say what would I sweep with? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I'd sweep with a stick broom and mop with a mop. {NW} Interviewer: And say if the if the broom was in that corner there and the door was open so it was sort of hiding the broom you'd say that the broom was 464: Say what? Interviewer: You'd say the broom was where? 464: Back in the corner behind the door here. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um now there's um where would a say a an unmarried man, where might he he take his shirts to have them washed and ironed? 464: To the laundry. Interviewer: Okay. Would you ever use that word laundry to mean washing and ironing? 464: Say which? Interviewer: How do you use the word laundry? {NS} 464: Wash 'em and {NS} iron 'em I reckon. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Would would you # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: ever say I have to the laundry instead of I have to do the washing and ironing? 464: Say what? Interviewer: Wha- you might say I have to do the washing and ironing 464: {NW} Interviewer: Would you ever say I have to do the laundry? 464: Mm-mm. No I don't know now. Interviewer: Okay. 464: I ain't never done none of that so I don't know nothing about it. {NW} Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um and if you had a two-story house to get from the first floor to the second floor you'd have a 464: Say what? Interviewer: If you had a two-story house to get from the first floor to the second floor {NS} 464: I would have to Interviewer: Well what would you have in the house? {NS} 464: I'd have to go upstairs I reckon. Interviewer: Okay you'd call that the what you'd walk up, you'd call 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 that the # 464: the uh {D: oh I don't know} you'll have to tell me what to call Interviewer: #1 You'd call that the stairs or? # 464: #2 {NW} # Uh-huh. Yeah, I'd call it the stairs. Interviewer: Okay. What about outside from the porch to the ground? 464: From the porch to the ground? Well I'd call that downstairs. Interviewer: Well what would you call the what do you have out here from from your porch down to the ground? 464: What I have the Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Steps. Doorsteps. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um say if the door was open and you didn't want it to be you'd tell someone to 464: Close it. Interviewer: Or another word you might use. 464: Fasten the door. Interviewer: Or 464: What? Interviewer: You might say close the door or you might say 464: Fasten the door. Interviewer: Or 464: {D: Well I don't know} Gosh I sure don't know what I'd say then. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Um {D: you know some} what do you call the the boards on the outside of the house that lap over each other? 464: {NW} lap over each other. Interviewer: I think her house next door has it. 464: {NW} uh {NW} Interviewer: You know what I mean? 464: {NW} Interviewer: Do you know what I mean? 464: Mm-mm. Interviewer: You know some houses they're um they're built out of wood 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 and they # take the boards 464: Mm-hmm, lap 'em over like that. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Mm-hmm. I know what you're talking about but I don't know what I'd call it. {NW} Interviewer: Would you call it something like weatherboard 464: #1 Yes. # Interviewer: #2 or siding # 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sure would. Interviewer: What would you call it? 464: Call it weatherboard. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um if you wanted to hang up a picture you'd take a nail and a 464: Nail it up on the wall. Interviewer: And what would you nail it with? 464: Say what would I nail it with? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: A hammer. Interviewer: Okay. You'd say I took the hammer and I what the nail into the wall? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I took the hammer and I what the nail in? 464: Hmm. Yeah knocked it into the wall. Interviewer: Okay. Or another word you might use instead of knocked it you'd say I 464: Nailed it in. Interviewer: Okay. You'd say um you'd say I I get in my car and I what into town? 464: Crank it up? Go to town? Interviewer: Okay. Um and if you're talking about driving you'd say um I get in my car and I what into town? 464: Drive. Interviewer: And you say yesterday I what my car? 464: Done what? Interviewer: Yesterday I 464: {D: driv} {C: past tense of drive} my car into town? Interviewer: Okay. And you say I have what my car into town? 464: Huh? Parked it. Interviewer: Or talking about driving it you say I have 464: {D: driv} {C: past tense of drive} my car into town. Interviewer: Okay. And um {NS} what might you um what would you call a little building that's used for storing wood? 464: Say which? Interviewer: You did you ever have a a little building for storing wood or for storing tools? 464: No I sure haven't. Interviewer: What's um you know before people had had bathrooms inside their house they used to have 464: Before people Interviewer: Before people had bathrooms inside their house. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Everybody had what? 464: {NW} Chambers I call 'em. {NW} Or pee pots {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What about out in the yard? 464: Out in the yard. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: What about out in the yard huh? Interviewer: That little building. 464: Little building. {X} I don't know, ain't never had any little building in the yard. Interviewer: Or 464: Oh. I know what you're talking about, restrooms. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is that what you called 'em? 464: Mm that's what I always called 'em, restrooms. {NW} Interviewer: What other names 464: Closets. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Closets. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What else did people call that? 464: Let's see I don't know now. I always called 'em closets, outside closets and Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: such as that. Interviewer: Did you ever hear any um names for it that weren't very nice? 464: {NW} Shit house. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} {NS} {NW} Oh Lordy. Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And um you might say 464: {NW} Interviewer: might say well I don't smoke cigars but he 464: He do. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what different buildings did you have on the farm? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What different buildings did you have on a farm? 464: Buildings. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {D: Well} Interviewer: What what was the biggest building besides the house? 464: I couldn't tell you. Sure don't know that now. Besides the house {D: I don't know} Interviewer: #1 {D: or what} # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: where did you {NS} keep the hay? 464: Oh in a barn. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 What part # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: of the barn? 464: The upper part of the barn. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 Barn. # Interviewer: What was that called? 464: Huh. Hay barn. Interviewer: Or the upper part. 464: The upper part. The I don't know. I called it upstairs, I don't know Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um where did you keep corn? 464: In a crib. Interviewer: Okay. Was that part of the barn or what? 464: Down under the barn. Interviewer: Uh-huh. It was in the bottom floor of the barn? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Did you ever hear of a a building used for storing grain? 464: Grain. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {X} No I don't believe I did, if there is I forgot it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And say if you had a too much hay to put up in the barn you might leave it outside in a what? 464: Stake it around a post. Interviewer: Okay, you'd call that a when you do that you'd call that a a what? 464: Hay. Haystack. Interviewer: Okay. And um when you first cut the hay you know and you let it dry and then you rake it up what do you call those little piles of hay that you rake up? 464: Bale it. Interviewer: Well before they baled it. What do they call those little piles that they'd rake up? 464: {X} I don't know what they call that little piles. {C: children playing} Interviewer: Would you hear something like a a cock or a shock or doodle or a 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {D: Rick} {D: Okay} 464: {X} Uh-huh. shock it don't they Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what different animals did you have on the farm? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What different animals did people use to have? 464: We only had horses and cows and mules and goats and Interviewer: What about to eat? 464: What? Interviewer: What about to eat? 464: Hogs. Interviewer: Okay. Where did where did they keep the cows? 464: Well they mostly kept 'em in a pasture and go in into the barn every evening. They'd come into the barn in the evening. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Fasten them up. Had pens to put hogs in. Interviewer: What'd you call 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 them? # 464: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 464: Huh? Interviewer: What'd you call those pens? 464: Hogpens. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about the a fenced in place for a cow? Where you could leave him overnight? 464: Pastures. Interviewer: Or a small place you could leave 'em for milking. Leave 'em over night. 464: In a pen. Cow pen. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And where did you keep horses? 464: Kept 'em in stables. Interviewer: Would that what was that like? 464: You know little places just big enough for a horse to go into. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What'd you call the place around the barn where the animals would walk around? {NS} 464: I'd call it lots. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um you say corn grows in a 464: Hmm? Interviewer: You'd say corn grows in a what? 464: Fields. Interviewer: Okay. Um and talking about raising cotton when you get out there with a hoe and you kinda thin it out 464: #1 don't talk # Interviewer: #2 you call that # 464: about cotton. {NW} Say which? Interviewer: Huh? 464: What did you say? Interviewer: Did you ever work with cotton any? 464: Lord have mercy honey, I reckon I have. Interviewer: What sort of work would you have to do? 464: Have to chop it, you know they'd sow it. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 With a # {D: straw that's} sow it thick. Then when it would get up about like that you'd have to go through and pull it, chop it out like that to a stand Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And thin it out and leave two heels to a stand. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-mm. Yeah I have done my part of that. Chopping cotton. Interviewer: What do you call the grass that grows up in a cotton field? 464: Well it's uh it's uh {NS} {D: it's all grass now} I forget the name of it but some of it's old old uh I can't think of the name of that grass. It's old hay grass some of it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Hmm. wild grass here late now these late years they got what these old moody grass be in it. And cotton and stuff you hoe like that. Interviewer: {D: Motor} grass? 464: Moody grass. Interviewer: Oh. {D: Moody} 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: #1 How # 464: #2 And # water grass. Water grass be in cotton too. Interviewer: What's water gr- 464: Water grass, it grows old high up stuff. Be in big bunches. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: How would you get a a field or a patch ready for planting? 464: Say how you would get it ready for planting. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 464: Well take a uh disk and break it up. Interviewer: You take a what? 464: A disk. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And break it up. As flat {X} And then when you get ready to plant go back and take care o- a steel beam and lay off the rows Interviewer: #1 What's a # 464: #2 like that. # Interviewer: steel beam? 464: It's that's old big plow that uh big old plow on it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: You break it up like that. Interviewer: What other kinds of plows are there? 464: Well there's scrapes and scooters and shovels and {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} and there's field beans and and I done forgot them other little old plows, I done forgot the name of them. Interviewer: What about something that breaks up the ground finer than a plow, it's got little teeth to it? 464: That's a disk I think. Interviewer: Or have you ever heard another name for that? It's got teeth to it? 464: Mm-mm. No I don't think I have. Interviewer: You ever hear spring-tooth? 464: I mighta have but if it is I Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 forgot # 'em but I know they breaks them up with a disk. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about a harrow or a farrow? 464: Mm-hmm. I've hearing talk of them but Interviewer: What's that? 464: This some kind of plow that you know them come in since I've been quit farming. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: What do they call that? 464: {D: Well I don't} uh disk? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They call that disk. Mm-hmm. You see I think the disk is up {D: land river} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: You never heard of harrow or farrow? 464: Harrow harrow harrow. Yeah I have heard of 'em. Sure have. Interviewer: What's that? 464: A harrow, a harrow a Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: something or other they called it, I don't know {D: now} Interviewer: What's um uh let's see um what would you call a place now where they had a lot of milk cows and they do you use that word dairy to mean anything else? 464: Huh? Interviewer: We- where where did you use to keep milk and butter before you had refrigerators? 464: {NW} {D: I don't know} I sure can't tell you that. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Well whe- where did you # 464: #2 {NW} # {X} Well when we when we was having milk and butter why we mostly always drank it up fast as it got {NW} {D: got drank it} {NW} you know they'd keep it a day or two and it would clabber, we'd churn it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then we'd drink that buttermilk. {NW} But never was none sour on us. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What different kinds of um fences are there? 464: Fences? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: To keep the stock in you talking about? Interviewer: Yeah. {C: child screaming} 464: Well there are wire fences and Interviewer: What kinds of 464: #1 fence # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Huh? 464: Or {D: hot} wire. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh Interviewer: What about the kind of wire that will catch your clothes on it? 464: Do what? Interviewer: What about that kind of wire that will snag your clothes on it? 464: Barbed wire. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about the old-fashioned wooden fence people used to have? 464: {NW} Well I don't know. {NW} {C: child} That's what I was talking about a while ago, I used to saw rail timber they'd saw the I think it was seven foot. They'd saw them blocks off. And then split 'em up and make rails out them and make fences out of them long time ago. Interviewer: What'd they call those fences? 464: They called 'em rail fence. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What kinds of fences did people have around their yard? 464: Yard. {NW} They mostly always have I don't know now. {NS} I did know but I done forgot now what they call it. Interviewer: Did you ever see something that comes to a point at the top that 464: Mm-hmm. But I don't know what you call 'em though. {NW} Sure don't {NW} Interviewer: Did you hear um 464: {NW} Interviewer: slat fence or paling fence or 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 I # yeah I've heard of that. Interviewer: What? 464: Paling and picket fences and Interviewer: Is that the same thing? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Is that the same thing? Paling, what'd you use to call it? 464: I called it I used to call it picket picket fences. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But they'd have you know, there'd be little sharp points up like that. {X} up up on the top of the pickets. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Would they be nailed together or 464: Uh-huh. Yeah, they'd nail strips and then nail them little pieces around on the edge of them strips. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say if you were gonna set up a wire fence you'd say you'd have to dig holes for the 464: Posts. Interviewer: And say you'd you'd dig a hole then you'd set the 464: Post down in it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: And then tack the wire around them posts. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you ever {NW} they may not have had this around here but did you ever see a fence or a wall made out of loose stone or rock? 464: Mm-mm. I ain't never seen that. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um if you wanted to make a hen start laying what might you put in her nest to fool her? 464: Say what? What you put in a nest to fool her. I sure don't know. I don't know that now. {NW} Interviewer: That wasn't these plastic dishes did they? 464: No they wouldn't be plastic, they'd be uh uh {NS} it's uh one of my brothers used to say they'd be every place I reckon. {NW} Interviewer: #1 That they'd what? # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} I says one of my brothers used to say they'd be every place I reckon. {NW} {D: Near all Athen wooden} them less easy broke. Interviewer: Yeah. I was thinking of um chin- 464: China. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {C: speech distortion} 464: {C: speech distortion} Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Did you ever see an egg made out of that? 464: Any what? Interviewer: Did you ever see an egg made out of {D: any of that?} 464: Mm-mm. {C: speech distortion} Interviewer: What did people use to carry water in? 464: What did they use to carry water in? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {C: speech distortion} jugs {C: speech distortion} wooden buckets. {C: tape distortion} Interviewer: Okay. Now what did you use to milk in? 464: {C: speech distortion} Milk in a {X} {C: speech distortion} Let's see now {X} milk I done forgot {C: tape distortion} what you call 'em, what you milk in. {NS} tin buckets. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And what about the thing you'd have in a kitchen to put uh food for the hogs in? 464: Slop jars slop buckets? Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you cut some flowers and were gonna keep 'em in the house you'd put 'em in a 464: Jar and some water. Interviewer: Or it might not be a jar it might 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 be a # 464: cup or something with water in it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Well what that thing over there that those flowers are in, what do you call that? {NS} well the thing that you got the 464: That bowl? Interviewer: Well the other flowers. 464: Yeah. {NS} {X} {X} it's a cup all I know. Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I'd say it's # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um say if you were setting the table next to each plate you'd give everyone a 464: Glass of tea or a glass of water or coffee or Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 something. # Interviewer: Um talking about the coffee if you wanted some coffee and there there wasn't any ready you'd say you had to go 464: And make some. Interviewer: Okay. And um talking about putting milk in your coffee you'd say some people like it 464: Straight. Interviewer: What's straight? 464: With nothing in it, that's the way I like mine. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Um 464: {NW} Interviewer: What if what if you put um what they you say um if you don't put milk in your coffee then you say you're not drinking your coffee with milk, you're drinking it 464: Without milk. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Without milk. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 Say # if you don't drink it with milk Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: you drink it s- I call it straight, Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 that's what # {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever hear the expression drinking it barefooted? 464: Mm-hmm, that's what some of my children say, barefooted. {NW} With no sugar and no s- {X} milk no nothing in it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um if you were real thirsty you might say I what a glass of water? 464: Say what? Interviewer: If you were real thirsty you might say I what a glass of water? 464: {D: call it} a glass of water. Interviewer: What what 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 would you do? # Interviewer: Say I 464: Drank it. Interviewer: Okay. And you might ask me how much have you 464: Drank. Interviewer: Okay. And you'd say that glass fell off the sink and 464: Broke. Interviewer: And so you say somebody had 464: Drank my water? Interviewer: Or somebody had what that glass? 464: Broke my glass. Interviewer: Okay. And you say uh but the person might say well I didn't mean to 464: Break it. Interviewer: Okay. And um you'd say this morning I what breakfast at seven o'clock? 464: Say what? Interviewer: This morning I what 464: Ate breakfast. Interviewer: Okay. And you say yesterday at that time I had already 464: Ate breakfast. Interviewer: Okay. And tomorrow I will 464: {D: Will} eat again I reckon. {NW} Interviewer: And uh next to each plate you give every- to eat with you give everyone a 464: Spoon or a fork. Interviewer: Or 464: A glass of water or a glass of coffee or a cup of coffee. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And to cut their meat with you give 'em a 464: Knife. Interviewer: And say if there was four people eating you'd give them four forks and four spoons and four 464: Knives. Interviewer: And um if the dishes were dirty you'd say I have to go 464: Wash dishes. Interviewer: And you say after she washes the dishes then she what them in clear water? 464: scald 'em Interviewer: Or another word for that you'd say then she 464: Dry 'em Interviewer: Well to get the soap of 'em you'd say she 464: Scalds them. Interviewer: okay or she rin- 464: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What's that? 464: Rinse. Interviewer: Okay you'd say she what them in clear water? 464: Mm-hmm Dry 'em. Interviewer: Okay. And um what do you call the cloth or rag you use when you're washing dishes? 464: The one you wash with? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I call it the dish rag I wash with and the then I have a drying rag I dry 'em when I scald 'em. {NW} Interviewer: Okay. {NS} And um what about the thing you use to bathe your face with? 464: Bath. Baths. A pan. Interviewer: Well the the cloth 464: #1 Oh the # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: cloth, bath cloth. Interviewer: Okay. Did you remember what you'd use to call that? 464: Washrag what we u- {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And you dry yourself off with a 464: Towel. Interviewer: Okay. And um you say flour used to come in a 464: Say which? Interviewer: Flour it used to come in a big old 464: Sack. Interviewer: Okay. But what about anything bigger than that? 464: Say what? Interviewer: What about that that big wooden thing it used to come in? 464: Uh barrel. Interviewer: Okay. And what do you call the things that run around the barrel to hold the wood in place? 464: {X} what? hold what? The wood in place. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I done forgot about that, I don't {NW} Interviewer: Well you know those those metal things that 464: Mm-hmm Metals but I don't know what you'd call 'em. I know the metals that goes around the barrels to hold it but Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Mm-hmm {NW} Interviewer: Would you call that hoops or hoop- 464: Hoops. That's it. They call 'em hoops. Interviewer: Okay. And what about something smaller than a barrel that nails used to come in? 464: Keg. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you were gonna pour something from a a big container into something with a narrow mouth, to keep it from spilling out you'd pour it through a 464: {X} I can't think of it right Interviewer: You know what I mean? 464: Mm-hmm I know what you're talking about but I can't think of what you'd call it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Thing that looks like that? 464: Mm-hmm Mm I can't think of the name of the thing. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Did you # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: call that a tunnel or a funnel or 464: Funnel yeah. Mm-hmm Interviewer: What's that? 464: Funnel. Interviewer: Okay. And um how if you went and bought about um six gallons or so of of lard you'd call that a 464: Can. Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever hear stand? Stand of lard? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Did you ever hear that called a stand? 464: I heard it called a can Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: of lard. Interviewer: Okay. And um what'd people use to cook in? Say what would you fry eggs in? 464: Fryers. Interviewer: Okay. Anything um what'd a fryer look like? 464: Go around black thing what they usually {X} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 Did it have # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: legs in it? 464: Mm-hmm {NW} Spiders and all such as that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. A spider had legs on it. 464: Spiders had legs on it. Interviewer: Does a fryer? 464: Fryers don't have no legs on 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They just have a handle and flat body. sit Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 down. # Interviewer: Is that what people call 'em now? Fryers? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Is that what people call 'em now? 464: Fry Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 uh-huh. # Mm-hmm Interviewer: Uh did people raise cane around here much? 464: Say did do they raise it? Interviewer: {NW} 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: yeah they raise it right smart around here now. Interviewer: What do they raise it for? 464: Well some of 'em just raise it to chew and some of 'em raise it to make syrup and juice out of. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What's um did you ever see 'em make syrups? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah I'd seen them make syrup, I have helped make it. Way back here when I was a gal. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: How how did you make it? 464: They'd make it old cane old syrup kettle Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Great big old kettle. Sitting on a furnace or something {D: and} put wood up under there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And have old things they'd skim the foam off 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Did you ever um uh what about something um thicker than syrup? 464: Thicker than syrup? Honey? Interviewer: Or maybe did you ever hear blackstrap mo- 464: Mm-mm No I ain't never Interviewer: Did you ever hear mola- 464: Molasses. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Molasses. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What's that? 464: I call it syrup. Interviewer: It's the same thing? 464: Mm-hmm, that's what I call it. Same thing Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever hear those called long sweetening and short sweetening? 464: No I didn't hear it that. {NS} No I ain't if I is I done forgot it. Oh {NS} Interviewer: And you remember when um people'd be out in their their yards to do the wash what what'd they call the thing they'd boil the water in? 464: Washpot. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Washpot. Interviewer: Okay. 464: I got one out there now. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Oh you do? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} {D: here} Interviewer: You still use it do you? 464: No I don't use it, I got me a washing machine now since I got old. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: I sure have used it Lord a many a day. Interviewer: {NS} Say if if you were driving horses and wanted them to go faster you'd hit 'em with the 464: Whip. Interviewer: Okay. And if you went to the store and bought some things {D: nowadays the} the grocer would put 'em in a what would he put 'em in for you to carry home? 464: Box. Interviewer: Or 464: Paper sack and Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 boxes. # Interviewer: And um what did um what did um feed used to come in? 464: Feed. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {X} Interviewer: You know that kinda rough cloth. 464: Cloth uh sacks. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm {NW} Interviewer: what kinda sack? 464: Some some of it horse feed would come in croker sacks {X} Our feed would come in white sacks. You used to buy it flour in white sacks and meal too. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: In white sacks. Interviewer: What about fertilizer? 464: Fertilizer. It comes in paper bags. Interviewer: What about um gu- guan- 464: Guano. It comes in paper bags too. Interviewer: What'd you call that? 464: Paper bags, I call 'em paper bags. Interviewer: What what comes in paper bags? 464: Guano. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You ever hear of something called a guano sack? 464: Mm-hmm Yeah. Interviewer: What's that? 464: That's white sack. Some of 'em be white, I've bought 'em in white sacks. Made sheets out them. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {X} # {NW| #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 What do you call those things again? # 464: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 464: {NW} say which? Interviewer: What did you call those things? 464: Guano sack? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {D: I I was about to say} they come in you get some in white sacks. Cause I have made sheets out of them white guano sack. Interviewer: {NW} 464: And slips Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 too {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: What about have you ever heard {D: gem} {C: children playing} Gem sack? 464: No I don't think I ever heard of them. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {X} # I've never heard of them. Interviewer: Okay. Say if if the lamp on the porch wasn't burning you might have to screw in a new 464: Say which? {NS} Interviewer: If if that wasn't burning you'd have to screw in a new 464: Uh bulb. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you went out and got enough firewood, got as much as can carry in both of your arms you'd say you had a 464: Load. Interviewer: Bu- 464: #1 A turn. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Huh? 464: A turn. Interviewer: Okay. Um and what would you call the amount of corn that you'd take to the mill to be ground? 464: Bushel. Interviewer: Or 464: A bushel? Interviewer: Or if if you if you didn't know exactly how much it was would you ever call that a turn of corn? 464: {D: I guess} I'd call it a turn. {NW} Interviewer: What do you mean by turn? How much would that be? 464: How much it would be that I'd call it a turn #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And um when you carry the wash out to hang it on the line you carry it out in a clothes- 464: uh clothes basket. Interviewer: Okay. And if you opened a bottle and then wanted to close it back up so it wouldn't spill out you'd stick in a 464: Stopper. Interviewer: And that'd be made out of 464: {X} Interviewer: What'd they used to be made out of? The stoppers. 464: Corncob. I haven't used corncobs since cork stoppers and all kind {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um This is a musical instrument that that people play it goes like this 464: Say which? Interviewer: A musical instrument that you play like this. 464: Harps. Interviewer: Okay. What about the one like this? 464: Juice harp? Interviewer: Okay. And talking about a wagon a if you have a wagon and two horses what's the long wooden piece that comes between the horses? 464: The shaft. Interviewer: How how's the shaft? 464: It goes up between the horses. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Goes up between the horses and it hitches to trace chains to it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What if you have a horse pulling a buggy? You have to back 'em up between the 464: Shafts. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You call it a shaft even if it if there's a wagon and two horses? 464: Yeah that's what I'd call it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about the tongue? Did you ever call it a tongue? 464: Yeah. Interviewer: {D: Or tongue or} 464: Wagon tongue I call it {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And um talking about the wheel the on a wagon a wheel's um the thing that runs it holds the wheels in place is called the that holds the wheels together, it runs from one wheel to the other is called the 464: I know what you talking about but I can't call it now. Sure can't. I just can't call the name of it Interviewer: #1 well # 464: #2 but I # know what you Interviewer: you have that in a car too. It from #1 one # 464: #2 Uh-uh. # Interviewer: wheel 464: To the other one. Interviewer: You call that the 464: {D: Yeah} Interviewer: Call it the axle or the 464: Axle. Yeah sure. Interviewer: What's that? 464: The axle. Interviewer: Okay. And how about the parts of the wheel? Starting on the inside you have the hub, then the spokes that come out of the hub and then fit into the 464: {NW} {D: both the} spokes and the the hubs. To the they fits into the axles, don't they? Interviewer: Well I mean going outward. You have the hub then the spokes come out and they fit into 464: The wheel. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What part of the wheel touches the ground? 464: The uh iron part. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What's that called? 464: {X} I don't know. I know but I just can't think what to call it. {NW} Interviewer: Is one part called the rim or 464: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 the # tire? 464: Sure do. Rim and the tire. Interviewer: What now what's the rim and the tire? 464: That's the what part it hit's on the ground. Ain't it? Interviewer: Well what what did you call it? Is that what you called it? Or 464: The wheel, the uh the rim. Interviewer: That that's what you used to call it? 464: That's what we used to call it. Interviewer: What'd you call the part of the wooden part that the rim fit on? 464: We called it spokes. Interviewer: Well no there's a a wooden part you know 464: Oh it went went be- tween that rim and the Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 464: ground I done forgot what they called it. Now sure is. {NW} Interviewer: And um when you have a horse hitched to a wagon the traces come back and they hook onto the 464: {X} {NS} traces come back and hook onto the uh I can't think of that now. Interviewer: Did you remember do you know what what that is? The It's a bar of wood 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: that the traces'd hook onto it. 464: Mm-hmm. Now I remember but I can't call it now. Sure can't. Many times I've hooked them up I oughta {X} but I {NW} {NW} {NW} {X} Interviewer: Have you heard it called something-something-tree? 464: Say what? Interviewer: Something 464: Trace. Trace chains? Interviewer: No the things that the that the 464: That trace chain hooks onto. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {X} {X} now what there's a piece of wood ain't it? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: About that long with some iron on the end where you hook them trace chains on but I can't call the name of it, I sure can't. That's all I ever did learn how to drive. {NW} was a horse and a mule and wagon or a horse and wagon. {NW} {NW} but I just can't think of what they call 'em now. Interviewer: Yeah. Did you ever hear that called swingletree or singletree? 464: Sure did, yeah. Sure did, swingletree. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What if you had two horses each one have a singletree? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You'd say that both of those where hitched to be called the 464: Double swingletree? Interviewer: Okay. And um say if a man had a load of wood in his wagon and he was driving along you'd say that he was 464: Say which? Interviewer: If someone had a load of wood in his wagon and he was driving along you'd say that he was doing what? 464: {D: well I don't know} I don't know what I'd say. Interviewer: Well would you say that he was drawing wood or parting wood? 464: Oh he was hauling wood. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um say if there was a a log across the road you'd say I tied a chain around it and I 464: Drug it out. Interviewer: Okay and you say we have what many logs out of this road. 464: {X} have drug many logs out the road. Interviewer: Okay. And you'd say you have to tie a chain around it if you wanna 464: Draw it out. Interviewer: Or if you wanna what it out? 464: {D: put} Interviewer: If you want to 464: Draw it log out Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you were gonna chop a log you know you might set it in a frame, maybe an X-shaped frame. Do you remember that? Do you re- 464: Say what? Interviewer: Did you ever see if someone was gonna chop a log did you ever see a an X-shaped frame you know shaped like this? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: That people'd set that log in to saw it or chop it? 464: Saw it, yeah. Set them there and saw it. Straight across. Interviewer: Do you remember what they call that frame that they'd put it in? 464: mm-mm, sure don't. Interviewer: What about um {NS} {NS} say if someone was gonna 464: #1 Say # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: which? Interviewer: If someone was gonna saw a board they might set it in a well they might might have two things um frames built out of wood 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 ma- # made of cloth. 464: mm-hmm. Interviewer: Do you remember what they'd call those? {NW} 464: I sure don't. Interviewer: Did you ever hear something um rack or sawbuck or 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 sawhorse? # 464: Sure have. Hear them talking about racks and things like that. Interviewer: What what does a rack look like? 464: {NS} I don't know. To tell you, I don't {NW} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: You just heard people talk about it? 464: That's all, I've heard 'em talk about it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say if your hair was messed up you might to fix it you might use a comb and a 464: I called it breaking it up. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: You you could use a comb {X} you could use a 464: A brush. Interviewer: Okay and if you were going to use one of those you'd say you were going to 464: Comb your hair. Interviewer: Or 464: Brush it. Interviewer: okay. And um you'd sharpen a straight razor on a leather what? 464: Strop. Interviewer: And um {NW} what do people put in a pistol? 464: Bullets. Interviewer: Or you might call it bullet. What else might you call it? 464: Cartridges. Interviewer: Okay. And um this is something that children used to play on, you take a board and lay it across a trestle and they'd go up and down. 464: Um {X} forgot, I can't call it right now. They'd call it riding horses. That's what they used to #1 call # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: it. Interviewer: #1 If you # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: saw some children playing on that you'd say that they were doing what? 464: Playing riding horse. Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever see 'em take a board and stake it down at both ends and children would jump on it? 464: Springboard? Interviewer: Okay, how how would that be built? 464: Well it'd be all the piece here'd be uh one end over down on here and one over here and they'd be jumping up and down. Way I seed 'em {C: past tense of see} doing it. Interviewer: It'd be build the same way as this riding horse? 464: Sure. Interviewer: And um how about something spinning around and around? 464: A merry-go-round I call it. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Anything old people used to call it? 464: What's that? Interviewer: Well you might call it a merry-go-round 464: #1 That's # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: what they used to call 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you ever hear flying 464: Flying Jenny. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Was that the same thing? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Okay. And um you might {D: touch} uh tie a long rope to a tree limb and put a seat on it and make a 464: Swing. Interviewer: Okay. And um what do people carry coal in? 464: Say what? {C: children playing} Interviewer: Did you ever burn coal in your house? 464: mm-mm, I ain't never burnt nothing. Interviewer: But you know what they'd carry coal in? 464: Nuh-uh. Interviewer: {X} what about what runs from the stove to the chimney? 464: Fireplace. Fire. Interviewer: Well yeah but in a stove like a a w- wood stove you know? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: The thing that runs from the stove up to the chimney. 464: Smoke? Interviewer: What the the part of the stove. 464: Pipe. Interviewer: Okay. And um this is something you could use if you were gonna move bricks or something heavy like that. It's got a a little wheel at the front of it. 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 It's got # two handles. 464: Uh-huh. {NW} I don't know Interviewer: Do you know what I mean? 464: Uh-uh. {X} Interviewer: It's something you might have around your yard. If you were gonna do some heavy well people use it in construction work or even if you were gonna move {NS} {NS} and um it's got two handles. And you lift it up sort of and push it. 464: {NW} I don't know what that is. Interviewer: You call it a wheel- 464: Wheelbarrow? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: A wheelbarrow? Interviewer: Okay. 464: Oh {NW} Interviewer: And um say if what would you use to sharpen tools on? 464: Sharp whetrock and a and a file. Interviewer: Okay. What about something big you could use? 464: Well to use axes on why I'd use a whee- uh whetrock. {C: children} Interviewer: Okay. Well something that turns around. 464: Mm-hmm. Turn it over like that. Interviewer: Is that the whetrock? 464: That's a whetrock. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You ever hear of grind- 464: Say which? Interviewer: Something called a grind- 464: Grinding rock, Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What's 464: #1 I # Interviewer: #2 that? # 464: call 'em whetrocks or something. Big old wheel and it's got a handle in it and you put it up in a rack and turn it like that and have a axe Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: That's what you sharpen axes they what they use to sharpen axes on. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What what do they call the little thing that you could hold in your hand? 464: That's a uh uh uh I know it but I can't call it right now. A file. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And um something that that people drive nowadays. No one has a a horse and a buggy, everyone has a 464: Say what? Something you drive and don't have no horse and buggy. Interviewer: Yeah. Well I mean 464: #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Interviewer: huh? 464: What is it? A motorcycle? Interviewer: Well nowadays everybody drives a 464: {X} Interviewer: No one uses a horse and buggy nowadays, they all have a 464: Car? Interviewer: Okay. Any other name for car? 464: I don't know. I call 'em cars and trucks {X} {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And uh if something was squeaking uh you might have to do what to it? 464: I sure couldn't tell you that now. Better carry it to the shop I reckon. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Well what what do you do to a pan so that {D: if either} fry eggs or something so that they won't stick to the pan? First of all you 464: Say what would I do to 'em? Interviewer: Yeah, what would you do to the pan? 464: Well I always always put kinda grease in there and let it get hot before I put my Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: So you call that, you say you what the pan? You 464: Greasing the pan. Interviewer: Okay. You say I'm yesterday I what the pan? 464: Greased the pan. Interviewer: And you say I have to what the pan? 464: to cook the eggs. Interviewer: Yeah. Before a- 464: Grease. Grease the pan to cook the eggs. Interviewer: Okay. If grease got all over your hands you'd say your hands were all 464: Messed up. Interviewer: #1 Or # 464: #2 greased # up. Interviewer: Or all grea- 464: Sure. Interviewer: Huh? 464: All greased up I'd say. Interviewer: Okay. Um {C: knock on the door} 464: Come on in. Come on! Come on in! {C: door opens} Good evening. Aux: Hey again. 464: Alright I alright I'll get you a seat. Aux: No I'm just watching. {X} 464: Go ahead. Maybe he can help me answer some of these questions. Interviewer: Say if if something was squeaking you might have to put a few drops of 464: Oil. Interviewer: Okay. And um what do you what did people use to burn in lamps? 464: Kerosene. Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever see people make a lamp using a rag and a bottle? {X} 464: Well I sure have, I have used one myself. Interviewer: #1 How do they do that? # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: Twist 'em a rag, put some kerosene in a bottle. Twist up a rag, put it down in there and stick a match to it and there it would go. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: You remember what that was called? 464: Flambeaus. Interviewer: Okay. And um inside the tire of the car you have the 464: Huh? What? Interviewer: Inside the tire of a car you have the inner- 464: Now I can't tell you nothing about that {X} to answer them questions {NW} I don't know nothing about no car. {NW} {X} Aux: Good boy {C: talking to a dog} 464: Mm-hmm. Well you'll have to tell about that {X} Aux: He doesn't hear it. 464: Yeah but I don't know nothing about that question. Aux: Then you don't answer it, you don't understand. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What about different types of boats that people used to have? 464: Boats. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Old paddling boats. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Paddling back like that. Wooden boats. Interviewer: Do you remember anything else that they'd used to be called? 464: {NW} I sure don't. Interviewer: {D: You ever hear of backtow or} 464: A what? Interviewer: {D: Backtow.} This kind of boat? 464: No I don't think I have. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if a woman wanted to buy a dress of a certain color you'd say she'd take along a little square of cloth to use as a 464: Uh pesky piece of cloth wanting the dress she wanted to buy. Aux: Huh. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Or um {NS} Aux: {X} {NS} Interviewer: what would you call that? That little piece of cloth, she'd take it along to use as a 464: A test I'd call. Interviewer: Okay. And say if um if you went into a store and they had a maybe a new kind of food out of something and they wanted you to try it, they'd offer you a free 464: Sample. Interviewer: Okay. And um what might you wear over your dress in the kitchen? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What might you wear over your dress in the kitchen? 464: A apron. Interviewer: Okay. And to sign your name in ink you'd use a 464: Ink pen. Interviewer: And to hold a baby's diaper in place you'd use a 464: I don't know what you'd hold for that. Interviewer: #1 The thi- # 464: #2 {X} # {NW} I don't know what you'd hold for that. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # {D: how about} {D: recommendations} {NW} Interviewer: What 464: Been so long since I've been tending to babies. Interviewer: {NW} Well you you'd call that a safety 464: Pin. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And a dime is worth 464: What? Interviewer: A dime is worth 464: A dime. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Worth what? Interviewer: What's it worth? 464: {D: I don't know} twenty cents? Interviewer: Well it's not a dime isn't worth twenty cents, it's worth 464: A dime. Interviewer: Uh-huh. It's worth do you say two nickels or 464: Uh uh a nickel. Interviewer: Worth ten 464: twe- ten cent. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if someone had just built a boat and they were gonna put it in the water for the first time, you'd say that they were going to what the boat? 464: Try it out. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um toothpaste comes in a 464: Say which? Interviewer: Toothpaste. It comes in a what? 464: Uh can't call that now. Paste. Paste. Jar, bottle or something. Interviewer: No it's not a bottle 464: #1 it's # Interviewer: #2 it ha- # 464: a jar? Interviewer: Or 464: In a toothpaste? Interviewer: Yeah. Comes in a something lo- 464: Tube. Interviewer: Huh? 464: In a tube? Interviewer: Okay. And if it was real cold before you went out you might put on your 464: Coat. Interviewer: Okay. And what does a man wear to church on Sunday? 464: Say what do you wear on Sunday? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: He wears his coat and his tie. Interviewer: And here he 464: #1 wears his # Interviewer: #2 he wears his # 464: pants. Interviewer: Okay. Any other name for pants? 464: {NW} britches I reckon all I know {NW} Interviewer: And um do you remember a long time ago men would be all dressed up in they'd have a sleeveless 464: Shirt. Interviewer: Or {D: uh but} 464: Uh a what? Interviewer: They'd put on a shirt and then they'd put on a 464: Jack- uh uh vest. Interviewer: Okay. What's a jacket? 464: Say which? Puffer jacket? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: It's a long sleeve. Interviewer: Okay. And what might a man wear if he was working outside maybe around the barn? 464: Say what would he wear? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: What in the wintertime or anytime? Interviewer: No just anytime. 464: Well he put on his old overalls and Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you went outside and forgot your coat and you wanted it you might say I'm would you go inside the house and what me my coat? 464: Bring me my coat? Interviewer: And so you say so then he went inside and 464: Brought me my coat. Interviewer: And he'd say here I have 464: Brought your coat. Interviewer: Okay. And you say that coat won't fit this year but last year it what perfectly? 464: Fit. Interviewer: And um say if if a man had an important interview, job interview or something and his clothes weren't in very good shape he'd go out to the store and buy a 464: {NW} some more clothes to fit. Interviewer: Or it it wouldn't be old, it would be a brand 464: New suit. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Fit. Interviewer: And if you stuff a lot of things in your pockets it makes them 464: Stick out. Interviewer: Or another way of saying that make them do what? 464: Bulge out? Interviewer: Okay. And you say that shirt used to fit me until I washed it and it 464: {NW} drawed up. Interviewer: Okay. Any other word for that? 464: Mm-mm. Interviewer: I washed 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 it # 464: drawed up and got too little or Interviewer: Uh-huh. But what about shrink or shrink? 464: Shrink. Shrink. Interviewer: You say I washed the shirt and it 464: It shrinked up. Interviewer: And you say seems like every shirt I've washed recently has 464: Shrinked. Interviewer: And I hope this new shirt won't 464: Shrink. Interviewer: And um if a woman likes to put on good clothes you'd say she likes to 464: Say what? Interviewer: If a woman likes to put on good clothes you'd say she likes to 464: Likes to put 'em on and them fit her. Interviewer: {NW} and she likes to do what? 464: {NW} I don't know {NW} {NW} I ain't put on no good ones in so long I don't know what she'd Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: So what about a woman that likes to stand in front of the mirror and fix her hair 464: Dress her hair. Interviewer: You say she likes to 464: Dress her hair and Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: look let it look nice. Interviewer: Would you say she likes to slick up or priss up or doll up? 464: Sure do. {X} shoot I would if I was b- young enough, I'd liked to primp up and doll up and Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 Would you say that about a man? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Say what? Interviewer: Would you say that about a man? 464: Yeah he likes to do that too some of 'em. Interviewer: He likes to do what? 464: Dress up and primp up. Doll up hisself {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And um what do people use to carry coins in? 464: Carry what? Interviewer: Carry coins in. 464: Coins. Interviewer: Yeah carry your money in. 464: {NW} old pocketbooks. Interviewer: What about 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 the # Interviewer: little 464: little old bags. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Or that little leather thing. 464: #1 Little # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: leather thing. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You call that a coin 464: Mm-hmm. {X} What do we call it? I done forgot now what they call them things. Interviewer: Well what do they 464: {NW} Interviewer: carry nowadays? 464: Purses. Interviewer: Okay. And um what might a woman wear around her wrist? 464: Watch. Interviewer: Or a 464: A a band. Interviewer: Or 464: Wristband. Interviewer: Or just a {NW} a piece of jewelery would be a 464: Wristbands. Interviewer: Or a brace- 464: {X} bracelets. Interviewer: Okay. And um what if you had a a lot of little things strung up together that you'd put around your neck? 464: Beads? Interviewer: You'd call that a what? 464: Necklace. Interviewer: Would you call that a string of beads? Or pair of beads? Or 464: I call 'em pair of beads and string of beads. {X} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um what did men use to wear to hold up their pants? 464: Hold up their pants? Interviewer: The thing that'd come up like this and 464: Oh suspenders. Interviewer: Okay. What'd they used to call those? 464: Galluses Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what would you hold over you when it rained? 464: Umbrella. Parasol. Interviewer: Okay. Is that the same thing? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And um what's the last thing that you put on the bed? 464: On the bed. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: When you start the bed? Interviewer: Well the fancy cover. 464: Oh sheets. Interviewer: But th- 464: Uh bedspreads. Interviewer: Okay. Any old-fashioned name for that? 464: let me see I don't think no. No I don't know a old-fashioned name for that. Interviewer: And at the head of the bed you put your head on the 464: Pillow. Interviewer: Did you ever see anything about twice as long as the pillow? 464: I don't believe I have. Interviewer: And what did people use to make um for warmth? 464: For what? Interviewer: People well what what you could make in the 464: Quilts. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Um you said you had a a lot of company and didn't have enough beds for everyone, for the children you might make a 464: Pallet. Interviewer: Okay. And um talking about um farming say we raised a big what of corn this year? 464: Crop of corn. Interviewer: Okay. And you say um talking about land you might say we expect a big crop from that field because the soil is very 464: I don't know what that is. Interviewer: Well you mean you mean that the soil is very rich. 464: Mm- Interviewer: #1 say the # 464: #2 hmm. # Interviewer: soil is very 464: Rich. Interviewer: Or very ferti- 464: Mm-hmm. Fertile. Interviewer: Huh? 464: I say yes very rich and uh now I can't think of it Interviewer: You say fer- 464: Something I can't think of it right now {NW} Interviewer: What different types of land are there? 464: Well I sure couldn't tell you. Some of it's got good soil and some of it ain't so good soil. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What do you call #1 the # 464: #2 the # Interviewer: the flat land a- along a stream that's overflowed and 464: Say what they call it? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Well I'd call it in a sort of flat marshy place. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Would you call that interval or lowland or bottom 464: Lowland I'd call it. {NS} Interviewer: Huh? 464: I'd call it lowland. Interviewer: Okay. You ever hear bottom land? 464: I have heard of it. Interviewer: Um what about a a field that might not be good for anything but but raising grass and clover, alfalfa? 464: I sure couldn't tell you. I think {D: it's um} old sandy pole land, that's what I'd think it was. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Sandy land. Interviewer: What different types of soil are there? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What different types of soil are there? 464: There are lots of difference but you know I ain't never I ain't never knowed so much about that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: About that soil or land or some of it's better soil than others I know. Interviewer: Does it have different names? Do you know? 464: No I sure don't. Interviewer: You ever heard loam or loom? 464: Mm-mm, {D: I don't think I have.} Interviewer: What about um land that that you can't plant anything in because it's got um it's got water standing in it? 464: Mm-hmm {D: well I} I've heard tell of lots of that too but I don't know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Some of it they say you can't plant nothing in it because there's too much water in it. Some of 'em I've heard 'em talking about is uh there ain't enough soil in it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: To have no luck of making nothing out of it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did um 464: It'd be too dry or Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 something # or another. Interviewer: Did y'all ever grow um did you ever know any people in your family growing honey? 464: Honey. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What where would they grow honey? 464: They'd go back on the river swamp. Down on the creek swamps. Interviewer: And um a swamp has trees growing in it doesn't it? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. Plenty of 'em. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Say if you had some some land that was a little sloppy and you wanted to get it you wanted to to grow some things in it you'd you'd say you wanted to 464: Well make a farm or something Interviewer: #1 Yeah what would you ha- # 464: #2 like that # Interviewer: you'd do to get the water off? You'd say you had to 464: Well uh I don't know but they'd most of the places where it's got heap of bushes and things like in swamp like that they always make fishing ponds out of it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. But if you wanted to get the water off you'd say you wanted to do what to it? 464: To farm on. Interviewer: Yeah to get the water off 464: I don't know what I'd do to get the water off {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} I sure don't. Interviewer: Well what what would you dig to carry the water out? 464: {NW} Interviewer: A little 464: Pipes I reckon would Interviewer: No the sort of trenches 464: #1 That's # Interviewer: #2 things # 464: what I'm talking about, you'd dig a little trench and put a pipe and let it run off I reckon. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You say it's gonna drain off or {D: dreen} off or 464: Drain off. I'd say it would drain off. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And um what would you call say say if there had been a a heavy rain and the rain water had cut a little 464: {D: Bank in there} I'd call it. Interviewer: A little what? 464: I'd call it a little {D: bank in there} {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Um what if it was thinner than that? If it had like maybe in a field something real wide and deep 464: Mm- Interviewer: #1 that # 464: #2 hmm. # Interviewer: #1 would # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: the water if it carried that land off. 464: Carried the land off? Interviewer: Uh-huh. It's a real thick open sort of 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {D: pole} # 464: Mm-hmm. I don't know what Interviewer: Or would you call that a a ditch or a gully or a 464: #1 I'd call # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: I'd call it a gully. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about something along the side of the road to carry the water off? 464: Sewer pipe? Interviewer: Or something that people have cut. 464: Oh ditches. Interviewer: Okay. And um what are some of the say what are some of the streams around here? 464: Say what? Interviewer: What are some of the streams around here? 464: Say what is some of 'em? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Well I don't know now. Right down there there are streams. Back over there another one. Interviewer: #1 {X} is it # 464: #2 Creek # Interviewer: what 464: Call this one back over here they call it Muddy Creek. And this here this a pond down there. Used to be a branch but they made a big old pond out of it down there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What's the difference between a branch and a creek? 464: I don't know. {D: Just uh} Interviewer: Is one of 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 'em # bigger? 464: The creek's bigger than the branch. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about something bigger than the creek? 464: A pond. And a river. Interviewer: And a what? 464: And a river, Yellow River. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And uh say a a small rising land, you'd call that a 464: Say which? Interviewer: A small rising land you would call that a 464: {X} I don't know what Interviewer: #1 Or where the land # 464: #2 you'd call # Interviewer: goes up that would be a little 464: Hill. Interviewer: Okay. And to open a door you'd say {D: closes} the door 464: And pull it. Interviewer: You #1 open # 464: #2 open. # Interviewer: the door 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 what? # 464: twist it. And pull it open Interviewer: But what would you take hold of? 464: That knob. Interviewer: Okay. Do you ever use that word knob talking about land? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Do you ever use that word knob talking about land? 464: No I ain't never used it. Interviewer: Okay. And something bigger than a a something bigger than a hill is a 464: Mountain. Interviewer: Okay. And the rocky side of the mountain that drops off real sharp 464: {X} Interviewer: You say somebody jumped over the 464: Say which? Interviewer: The rocky side of the mountain that drops off real sharp. It hangs over. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You call that the 464: The uh {X} I don't know the gully I reckon I don't know Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 what # we'd call {NW} Interviewer: And um say if um {NW} if you'd took a piece of wood and made a little cut in it you'd say you cut a little 464: Pinch in it. Interviewer: Or say uh {NW} it was a little V-shaped cut, they say you cut a 464: V. Interviewer: Okay. Say um do y- you know on television um the gunfighters for every man that they've killed they'd cut a what in their gun? 464: A {D: indention} in their gun? Interviewer: Okay. And um what do you call the place where boats stop and where freight's unloaded? 464: Let's see now. Sure don't know, I ought to but I just can't think now. {NW} Interviewer: Well on a river the place where boats stop would be called a 464: {NW} boat boat stop I reckon or Interviewer: Okay. What about down on the gulf? 464: #1 Gu- # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Interviewer: where those big ships come in? 464: Uh-huh. I don't know nothing about that. Sure don't. Interviewer: And say if you had some some water that was flowing along and all of a sudden it it went on over. 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 You'd # call that a 464: {X} {X} Interviewer: #1 You know you know # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: you have water, a stream and 464: {NW} Interviewer: all of a sudden it it goes 464: #1 it # Interviewer: #2 down. # 464: go down. Interviewer: That'd make a little what? 464: {NW} I can't think, you'll just have to tell me what it {NW} Interviewer: #1 Oh # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: would you call that a pour over or a falls or water- 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 fall? # 464: Pour over I reckon, must be. Interviewer: Is that what you'd call it? 464: Yeah, that's what I'd call it. {NW} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: If you've used that word yourself? 464: Say which? Interviewer: You've you do use that word 464: Well I sure have, {X} sure do use it, a pour over. {NW} Interviewer: Are there any of those here? 464: Not as I know of. I don't think there are none around here nowhere. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Have you ever seen one? 464: No I sure haven't. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what different types of roads are there around here? 464: What different types Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 of # roads? Well {D: they're} highway, four-way highway between here and Crestview Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then there's uh I forgot what they call {D: them} I done forgot what they call this highway go back this way. Interviewer: What do you 464: b- Interviewer: What's that this highway made out of? 464: {NW} I don't know, cement I reckon I don't know. Gravels. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I think that's what it's made out of. Interviewer: What about a little road that goes off the main road? 464: Little road that's this road right here. Goes back that way toward the creek, call it the see now what do they call that road? I done forgot that now. Interviewer: Well just what would you call any road like that out in the country? 464: {D: They just} call it the country highway all I know. Call it Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: What would it it probably wouldn't be paved, it would be 464: Say which? Interviewer: It probably wouldn't be paved, would it? 464: Uh-uh. Interviewer: What would it be? 464: I sure couldn't tell you now. I done got old and forget things that I did know, I done forgot it all {NW} {NW} ain't knowed nothing much but hard work. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Well it wouldn't it wouldn't have any covering on it, it'd just be a what kind of road? 464: Just a plain old highway all I know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Plain pale road. The {D: pale ment} road they call this one back this way. They call that a it a highway. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And it's four way on way on up this way. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: There are four-way run that way but Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: After you get up here, they said they was gonna put a four-way run up here but they ain't done it yet. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about a road that has uh a fence on both sides of it? 464: I don't know. I don't know no- wh- uh what one of them is. Round here. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about a road that crosses a a road? 464: I sure couldn't tell you. Interviewer: Or a road that leads up to somebody's house? 464: {X} Interviewer: #1 Wha- # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: what's a lane? 464: A lane. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: This here that's uh eighty that big road, that highway out there is. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But I don't know what is {X} name or not. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Just call it {NW} I don't know 464: #1 what they call it. # Interviewer: #2 What um # what do you call a road in town? 464: I couldn't tell you that neither. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And something along the side of the street for people to walk on? 464: I don't know. Sidewalk? Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you went to someone's house and knocked on the door and no one answered you'd say well I guess he's not 464: At home. Interviewer: And um say if um someone was asking where you were um I might say well she's what the kitchen? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Say if um if someone came that was asking about where you were 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: someone else might tell 'em well she's what the kitchen? Baking something. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: She's 464: Baki- baking supper or dinner or something or other Interviewer: Well she's where? She's 464: In the kitchen? Interviewer: Okay. And um if someone was walking in your direction you say he's coming straight 464: {NW} Interviewer: what me? 464: meet you Interviewer: He's he was walking 464: The way you was going. Interviewer: Yeah. He was walking 464: Straight towards you. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Say he's meeting me. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you saw someone that you hadn't seen in quite a while you hadn't counted on seeing 'em you might say well this morning I just happened to run 464: Into you. Meet up with you. Interviewer: Okay. And um if a little girl's given the same name that her mother has you'd say they named the girl 464: After her mother. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you were walking along and an animal jumped out and scared you you'd say you'd pick up a 464: Say which? Interviewer: Say if you were walking along and an animal jumped out and scared you you say you'd pick up a 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 what? # 464: brick or something and throw it at him. Interviewer: #1 Okay what would # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: would you ever use the word besides throw? Would you ever say anything else? 464: Chunk? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um say if if you got rid of all the the brush and tress on your land you'd say you 464: I got rid of all of 'em. Interviewer: Yeah you'd say you did what? 464: Cleaned it up. Interviewer: Okay. And um {NS} the thing that the plow cuts you call those {NS} 464: plow cut. Interviewer: {D: well done} you're plowing that the trenches that the plow cuts you'd 464: #1 that's a # Interviewer: #2 call those # 464: furrow. Interviewer: Okay. And um you know when you cut the hay off a piece of land and then enough grows back that same season for you to cut it again you'd call that the 464: Double {NS} cut double-hay. Interviewer: Okay. And um you say wheat is tied up into a 464: Up into a bundle I re- Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 -ckon. # Interviewer: And then the bundles are piled up into a 464: Stack. Interviewer: Okay. And talking about how much wheat you raised to an acre you might say we raised forty 464: Bales. Interviewer: Or forty if we're talking about corn you'd say we raised forty 464: Bushels. Interviewer: Okay. And um what do you have to do with oats to separate the grain from the rest of it? 464: Have to carry it to the mill. Interviewer: And then the oats 464: You have to {X} ground off or whooped off or something. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And um say if um if you were talking about how tall you are you'd say he's not as tall as 464: I is. Interviewer: Or you might say I'm not as 464: #1 tall as # Interviewer: #2 tall as # 464: he is. Interviewer: And you say he can do that better than 464: I can. Interviewer: And um you say if something belongs to me then you'd say it's 464: Mine. Interviewer: Or and if it belongs to me you'd say it 464: His. Interviewer: And 464: Yours. Interviewer: And if it belongs to her it's 464: Hers. Interviewer: And if it belongs to them it's if it belongs to them it's 464: Theirs. Interviewer: And if it belongs to us 464: {NW} Ours. Interviewer: And um if some people had been over to your house and they were about to leave you might say well I hope what come back again? 464: To come back again. Interviewer: Ho- what would you tell 'em? I hope 464: Hope you'll come back again. Interviewer: Okay. Would you say you come back again or 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Y'all 464: #1 Yeah well # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: come back again. Interviewer: What would you say y'all? 464: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Or you # all? Or 464: Yeah you all come back again. Interviewer: Okay. And say if um if their car was out in the road you might tell them somebody's gonna run into 464: Your car. Interviewer: Okay, would you ever say y'all's car? 464: Y'all's car. Mm-hmm Interviewer: You'd say that? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And say if you were a- say if there had been a party that you hadn't been able to go to and you were asking about the people that had gone you might ask well 464: Well who all was to the party and uh I wasn't there. Interviewer: And say if there was a group of children out playing and they belonged to more than one family you might ask about them well 464: {X} I'd ask whose was him? Interviewer: Would you ever say 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 who all's? # 464: Who all's children is out there. Interviewer: Okay. And say if you were asking about all of the speakers from March you know everything he said you might say well 464: Say which? Interviewer: If you were asking say if there had been a speech that you hadn't heard you want to know um everything the person said you might ask well 464: What all did he say and Interviewer: Okay. And um say if there was something that we had to do today, just the two of us 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: you might say we'll have to do it or you might turn to me and say 464: {X} you have to do it. Interviewer: Or 464: #1 me # Interviewer: #2 Both # 464: and you. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 will # have to do it. Interviewer: And um say if if um you and and a friend of yours were coming over to see me you might say 464: Say what? Interviewer: Say if you and a and a friend of yours were coming over to see me you might say we're 464: #1 we're # Interviewer: #2 coming # 464: me and my friend is coming over Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 to # see you. Interviewer: Um what if it was it was a man you'd say me would you say he and I or me and him or 464: Mm-hmm. {NW} He and I is coming over to see you. Interviewer: Okay. And if there was a a job that someone wanted done they might say um well he doesn't want just you or just me, he wants 464: Just me? Interviewer: Or he doesn't want just you or just me, he wants 464: A bunch of 'em? Interviewer: Or talking about us you'd say he wants would you say all two of us or 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 both of us? # 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah. All two of us or both of us. Interviewer: And um say if you knock at the door and they ask who's there and they know your voice you might say it's 464: {C: Should be beeped out} Interviewer: Or you might not you might say it's they say #1 is # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: that you {C: should be beeped} and you'd say yes it's 464: Mm-hmm. Me and my friend. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if if the telephone rang and and I ask you was was that Jim on the phone? You'd say yeah that was 464: Him for me. Interviewer: And if it was a woman you'd say yeah that was 464: Her. Interviewer: And if it was two people you'd say yes that was 464: Us. Interviewer: Or that was 464: Me and my friend or Interviewer: Okay. And um you say if no one else will look out for him then you'd say they've got to look out for 464: Us. Interviewer: Or they've got to look out for you say their big enough to take care of 464: Her. Or them. Interviewer: Okay. You you'd say um and if someone slipped on the ice and fell this way you'd say he fell over 464: Backwards. Interviewer: And this way would be 464: Forwards. Interviewer: And you might say well I don't know exactly how far it is but it's just a 464: Little piece. Interviewer: Okay. And if you had been traveling and hadn't finished your journey you might say we'd still have a 464: Journey to go. Interviewer: Would you say a {D: fur piece} or a long way? 464: Long long ways or or a piece Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {D: to go} # Interviewer: And if something was very common and you didn't have to look for it in any special place you'd say oh you can find that just about 464: In a few minutes. Interviewer: Or you don't have to look for that in any special place, you'd say 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 you # can find that just about 464: in a little while. Interviewer: Or just about any 464: Where. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Any about anytime? Interviewer: Or you could find that you don't have to look for that, you can find that any 464: Anywhere? Interviewer: Okay. And um Interviewer: um 464: {D: I'm old} chairs. Pillow slips and slides Interviewer: #1 Oh okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um talking about different kinds of animals um what do you call the kind of animal that barks? 464: Dogs. Interviewer: Okay. And if you wanted your dog to attack another dog, what would you tell 'em? 464: Sic him I reckon. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What different kinds of dogs are there? 464: Well they bulldogs and hounds and curs and {D: feists} and all them kinda thing {C: laughing} Interviewer: What's a cur? 464: Well I tell you, I sure couldn't tell you what he is but I just hear them talking about cur dogs. Interviewer: Is it a big dog? Or 464: #1 Uh-huh yeah, it's # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: a biggun. Them feists are little bitty old things. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Are there different kinds of hound dogs? 464: Yeah they different kinds. I tell you, I couldn't tell you what kind {D: there} different kinds Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: I heared 'em talk about 'em but I can't tell you the I know I hear 'em talk about curs and hounds and and feists. I know a feist when I see 'em and I know a cur dog but I don't know what different kinda cur he is. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say if if you had a real mean dog you might tell someone you better be careful, that dog'll 464: Bite. Interviewer: And you say yesterday the dog 464: Bit. Interviewer: And 464: Sometimes. Interviewer: you say that person had to go to the doctor after he got 464: Bit by the dog. Uh-huh. Interviewer: Okay. Do you ever say after he got dog-bit? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Would you ever use the word dog-bit? So-and-so got dog-bit? 464: mm-hmm. Yeah, I have used that word. Interviewer: How? 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 How # would you 464: I {X} he got dog-bit. That's what I'd say. Interviewer: Okay. 464: I don't know how to say it but that's what I'd say {C: laughing} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {X} 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um the kind of animal that you keep for milk? 464: For milk? Interviewer: Yeah. That you milk. 464: Milk cow. A cow. Interviewer: Whe- what do you call the male? 464: Well I'd call him a bull. Interviewer: Was that word always nice to use? 464: {NW} no {C: laughing} {NW} {NW} {D: no} {NW} no it wasn't nice but that's what I'd call 'em. A bull. Interviewer: Did you remember what um did women used to use that word? 464: mm-hmm. Yeah old folks used it too, that's the reason I used it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Is there any other way of saying that? 464: Well let's see, a male. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And a a little cow when it's first born is called a 464: Calf. Interviewer: And if it's a female it's a 464: Female. Interviewer: Uh-huh. A female calf. 464: mm-hmm. {X} A heifer what I always called 'em. Little heifer calf and a female calf. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What if it's a male? 464: Well I don't know I'd always call him a little bull calf {X} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 if you had a cow that # 464: my legs are burning, that's alright go ahead and talk, I'm just gonna get something to go over my legs. Interviewer: If {NS} you had a cow that was gonna have a calf you'd say the cow was going to 464: Suckle. Interviewer: {NS} Okay. Anything else people would say? 464: No I sure don't know now. Interviewer: Did you ever hear find a calf or {D: drop a} 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 calf? # 464: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Something? # 464: I've heared that too. Interviewer: What? {C: Speech distortion} find a calf such a cow gonna find a calf. Heared that. Okay. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And um the animals that you plow with. 464: Mules and {NS} horses. Interviewer: #1 And # 464: #2 Oxens. # Interviewer: How how are they hitched together? 464: Say how is they hitched together? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I ain't never plowed none hitched together, I've plowed 'em single. You know back 'em up between the shafts and put a collar or yoke or something on 'em like that. Plow 'em like Interviewer: What about mules? If you had two of them working together? 464: Well {NS} hitch one on one side and one on the other but I ain't never plowed none together like that. But I have seed 'em plowed together like that. Interviewer: What do they call that? 464: Say what do they call it? {NW} double double-plowed I reckon. Interviewer: {D: No} do you ever hear team or pair? 464: mm-hmm. Yeah I've heared a pair of mules. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Horses and things hitched up together. Interviewer: And um the animal that you ride, you'd call that a 464: Mule? Interviewer: Or a 464: Or a horse. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Mule and a horse. Interviewer: Okay. And if it's a female horse it's called a 464: I've I've heared it. But I done forgot now what they call it. Interviewer: What about the the male horse? 464: Male horse? Stud? Interviewer: Okay. 464: What we always called 'em {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: is that {NS} that piece of wood there is smoking. 464: {NW} {D: here} {NS} Interviewer: This one here? 464: Uh-huh. You can drag it back out that way a piece you know? Just Interviewer: You don't remember what they call the female horse? 464: Say which? Interviewer: You don't remember what they call the female horse though? 464: I always called 'em stud horse. Interviewer: What's 464: {NW} Interviewer: was stud a nice thing to say? {NS} 464: No, it wasn't nice but I'd always say it {NW} Interviewer: #1 what # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: #1 What else would people say # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} They'd s- Interviewer: if they didn't want to say stud? 464: I don't know. I reckon they call 'em a female I reckon. I don't know what, I oughta tell ya I'm so forgetful, I done forgot. A lots of that stuff what they used to call things. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say um say everyone around here likes to what horses? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Everybody around here likes to 464: Ride horses? Interviewer: And you say last year he {NS} what his horse? 464: #1 plow # Interviewer: #2 everybo- # 464: he plowed him. Interviewer: Or he got on it and 464: And rid him around. {NS} Interviewer: And you'd say but I have never {NS} what a horse? 464: Say which? Interviewer: You say but I've never {NS} what a horse? 464: Plowed one? Interviewer: Or I've 464: #1 I've # Interviewer: #2 never # 464: rid one? Interviewer: Okay. 464: Well I have rid a many of 'em but {NW} I couldn't {X} {NW} That's all the way I had to {D: talks} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: You know uh {NW} my mother lived across the creek back over there where my brothers lives at now and she got sick and I would uh get out there and plow until about eleven o'clock then I'd throw me a quilt on the old mule old horse we had throw it on there and I'd ride him over there see about her. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But it's been years since I rid a horse. I don't expect I'd hardly I'd know to hitch one up to a wagon now if I was to have to {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} but I knowed how then but I don't expect I'd know how now. But I have rid horses. Plowed horses. Plowed oxens and done a little of everything in a farm but all this here late model stuff I don't know nothing about that. Sure don't. I've done passed the stage all but washing and ironing when this late model stuff come in Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} And sewing {D: all} scraps. But I say I know two more old ladies I spec- I bet would be glad to talk with you. Interviewer: Who's that? 464: Ellie King and Coral Williams, you don't know them do you? Interviewer: Uh-uh. 464: {NW} I bet they'd be glad to talk with you, I told children this morning I said it was nice talking to that girl last night. But my old tooth went to started grumbling and I want to go to doctor on it but it don't bother me this morning. I ain't got but two or three but sometime they hurts. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Say if um you were riding a horse and and you couldn't stay on him you'd say I fell 464: Off of him. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Fell off a him. Interviewer: Okay. And say a a child went to sleep in bed and woke up and found himself on the floor in the morning. 464: He fell off of the bed. Interviewer: Okay. And the things that you put on the horse's feet you'd call those the 464: Uh horseshoes. Interviewer: Okay. What parts of the feet do you put the horseshoe's on? 464: On the front part of 'em. Interviewer: The do you call that part the 464: Uh-huh the hoof part I call it. Goes down like that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And before you put the shoes on you have to trim {D: on} the horse's 464: Hoofs. Interviewer: And um do you know a a game that they play with horseshoes? Did you ever see that? 464: No I never did see that. Where they played a game with horseshoes. Interviewer: You know they'd they'd throw 'em? 464: Uh-huh. I've heared tell of 'em throwing 'em but I ain't never see'd it. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: #1 Um # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Do people raise sheep around here? 464: They used to did it but there ain't none around here now. I don't know when I have seed a sheep around here. This old fellow lived back over there in this {X} He had a pasture and he had it full of sheep. But I ain't heared tell of a sheep in I don't know when. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Used to raise goats around here but I don't hear tell of them neither. Interviewer: What do people raise sheep for? 464: {NW} To get the wool off 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What do you call the male sheep? 464: {NW} I don't know. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 sure # don't. Interviewer: Do you know what the female sheep is called? 464: Uh-huh. No I don't know what it's {X} heared 'em talking about females and females that's all, I don't know what they would call 'em. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And the the animals that you you'd keep for meat? 464: Hogs. Interviewer: Okay. 464: And cows. Interviewer: {D: And} talking about the hogs, when they're first born you'd call 'em 464: Pigs? Interviewer: Okay. And then when they get a little older you call 'em 464: Shoats Interviewer: About how big is a shoat? 464: Well they get's about like that. Interviewer: #1 About # 464: #2 About # like Interviewer: eighteen inches or so? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Um then if they're female they're called 464: Say which? Interviewer: If they're female you'd call 'em 464: Let's see now I have to study. What they call 'em? Boars? Barrows Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: After they done cut 'em I called 'em barrows. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And if it has pigs it's called a 464: Sow. Interviewer: Okay what if if {NS} it's never had pigs? 464: Well I don't know what you'd call that either. Interviewer: Uh it wouldn't be a sow then, it'd be a 464: Uh-huh. Was {X} Interviewer: Okay. 464: I have to sort of think over them things cause I'm forgetful but I s- well lots of it I know it but I done got so old I'm forgetful, I forget what they call 'em. Interviewer: #1 Yeah # 464: #2 {NW} # Yeah they'd call them {D: guilt} what ain't never had no pigs. {NW} Interviewer: What about um the male hog? 464: Wha- they call them boars. Interviewer: Well that's if he's been cut 464: {D: Cut} Uh-huh, they cut 'em. But if he ain't cut they call them a male right on I reckon. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What what about boar 464: {NW} Interviewer: Boar hog? 464: Well when they cut they call them boars. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Is that one not nice? # 464: {NW} No it ain't nice. {NW} {NW} But that's what I always heared 'em call 'em. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Yeah but the nicest way I think is uh boar hog. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: It ain't been cut it ain't been cut. {NS} That's the way I think it would be the nicest way to call 'em, a boar hog. They ain't cut. But we always called 'em boars when they weren't cut {C: laughing} {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Um and those those stiff hairs that a hog has on its back? 464: Bristles. Interviewer: And those big teeth? 464: Tushes. Interviewer: And what do you put the food in for a hog? 464: Say what do you put it in for? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Corn and Interviewer: Well what 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 what do you # 464: shorts Interviewer: Shorts? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What's that? 464: That stuff that they makes in the field. In the on these farms. Interviewer: Shorts? 464: Uh-huh. That's what we always called it, shorts. Interviewer: Is it something growing? Or 464: Growing, yeah it grows and then they cuts it and carry it to the mill and have it whipped off or beat off or something. Bring it back and sack it up and they call it shorts. Interviewer: Is it a kind of oats? Or #1 something? # 464: #2 Uh-huh. # Like oats or something like that. Interviewer: Huh. 464: Shorts and then they t- to take corn and chop it up. And make shorts out of it. You know chop it up in big old grains. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Then what do you pour the food into? 464: Into a trough. Interviewer: Okay. And if you had several of those you'd say you had several talking about that trough 464: Several troughs? Interviewer: Okay. And um when you're um driving a horse, what do you hold in your hands? 464: Bridle. Interviewer: Or when you're when he's hitched to a wagon? 464: Oh you hold lines in your hand Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 when you # hitch to a wagon. I thought you was talking about when you was riding him or something. Interviewer: Well 464: #1 You # Interviewer: #2 what # 464: have a bridle bits in his mouth {D: for the} short bridle to it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about the thing that you hold in your hand? 464: Huh? Interviewer: What about the thing that you hold in your hand then? 464: I call that the bridle. What I hold in my hand when I'm riding and if I was in a wagon I'd call it the lines. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Wagon lines. Interviewer: What are your feet in? 464: Say what the feed in? Interviewer: What what do you put your feet in? 464: In a trough. Interviewer: No whe- when you're riding on a horse. 464: Oh. Interviewer: You're 464: #1 a # Interviewer: #2 feet. # 464: a saddle. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Well what what about the part of the saddle that your feet go in? 464: The no rides in the saddle and put your feet in the stirrups. Interviewer: Okay. 464: I told you I'm forgetful {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 Wha- # got to give me time to study or {C: laughing} {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um when you're plowing with two horses what do you call the one that walks in the front? Or did 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Did you # ever plow with two horses? 464: No I ain't never plowed with two. Interviewer: Did you 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 ever hear # 464: a name for the one that walks in the front? The leader I reckon. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you were gonna feed the hens and turkeys and geese and so forth {NS} you'd say you were gonna go out and feed the 464: The chickens. Interviewer: Okay. Whe- when you talk about chickens does this mean turkeys and geese? 464: Uh-huh. {NW} Yeah that's what I'd call it. Interviewer: It means everything? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And um a hen on a nest of eggs would be called a 464: Sitting hen. Interviewer: And um you know when you when you eat chicken the bone that goes like this 464: That's the chest bone I call it. Breastbone. That 'un up in here? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I'd call it the breastbone. Interviewer: Are there any stories about that? 464: Huh? Interviewer: #1 You know # 464: #2 {X} # No Interviewer: Take 464: Pull it pulley bone, pulley bone I call it. Interviewer: Is that 464: #1 Uh-uh # Interviewer: #2 the same as # the breast bone? 464: Uh-huh, it {D: comes} next from the breastbone. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Just cut a little piece up here. And back up under each p- part over here. Then pull that off. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NS} And I have heared people say I reckon it was the old folks'd say say you cooked that chicken and that little pulley bone up there they call it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Like you take hold of one end and I take hold of one end and stick it up over the door, that was old folks' talk now. Stick it up over the door and the first man to walk up under it that's the one you was gonna marry. Interviewer: You didn't 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 tear it # apart? 464: Yeah. Interviewer: You take 464: You can take one end and me take one and pull it apart. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And stick it up over the door {NS} and the one that got the biggest part of the bone they said the first man that walked up under that door why that's the one you was gonna marry. But I never did try it, I just heared 'em say that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Did you hear 'em call those the long bone, did it have a special name? 464: Did which? Interviewer: Did the long bone, the long end did that have a special name? 464: {D: uh the} leg part you talking Interviewer: #1 No the # 464: #2 about? # Interviewer: long piece of the pulley bone. 464: Oh that was uh uh I don't know, I've heared it but I done forgot what they called it now. I know they called the other part of it the breast bone, breast part. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Where they pull that pulley bone from that was the breast they said. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Where do you keep chickens? 464: Say when do you keep 'em? Interviewer: Where do you keep 'em? 464: {NW} in a chicken yard. A pen. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What about a a shelter for 'em? 464: Uh-huh, well you makes a little house for them to go in and then you has uh yard around that little house. Interviewer: What do you call that house? 464: Chicken house, the chicken yard, chicken farm. Interviewer: What about a place for the mother hen and the little chicks? 464: They have them in coops. Interviewer: What does that look like? 464: The thing build up like a like a just a little pen built you know. Around like this and a top over it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: It's got air holes in it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And uh the noise that a calf makes when it's being weened 464: When it's being weened? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: He'd be bleating. We called it bleating, I don't know what {NW} it is Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: #1 What about # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: the noise that a cow makes? 464: She lows. Interviewer: Okay. And the noise that a horse makes? 464: He wickers. Interviewer: Okay. And um {NS} say if it was time to feed the stock and do your chores you'd say that it was 464: Lowing. Hor- cows lowing Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 and horses # be wicker. {NS} Interviewer: And you'd say that it it was what time? 464: Time to feed 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} Would you call that feeding time? Or 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Uh. # time? Or 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. Dinnertime I'd call it or suppertime, whichever it was. Interviewer: For the stock? 464: Uh-huh. {NW} Interviewer: Okay. And um say if you wanted to get your horses ready to go somewhere you'd say you wanted to 464: Say if I wanted to get 'em ready to got somewhere? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I'd get 'em fed and hooked up, ready for going. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You say before you hitch 'em you have to 464: {NW} Interviewer: Do what? 464: {X} Cur 'em. Interviewer: Well you'd put the the things on 464: saddles on 'em but you'd I always before I went to go carry mine anywhere I had an old cur comb, I'd cur 'em. You know get that hair that loose hair off of them. Then I'd put my saddle in gear or whatever I was gonna put on 'em on there. Interviewer: What if you were gonna hitch 'em to a wagon? You'd say you had to 464: Put my harness on him. Interviewer: Okay. And how do you call cows to get 'em in outta the pasture? 464: Well just go out there they used to and call 'em but they got where they now they just goes out there and blow the horn. And the cows go to lowing and coming to 'em Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Di- did you hear a call though that people had 464: Say which? Interviewer: Did you hear of a call that people 464: #1 Uh-uh. # Interviewer: #2 had? # 464: They used to have a horn. A deer horn they'd call 'em with. Interviewer: Uh-huh. But did you ever her people yell anything to get 464: Uh-huh. No if I did I done forgot it. Sure have. Interviewer: Did you ever hear co-wench or 464: Say which? Interviewer: co-wench or co-boss or sook? 464: Yeah uh yeah I have heared that. Co-wench and co-sook and all such as that, I've heared 'em call 'em that way. Interviewer: Well how how did that go? 464: Well I don't know it it would go alright cause they know {D: they ain't} so then {D: long} in them days they knowed what they meant when they'd say co-sook co-sook, they'd come running. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} or co-wench or one they'd come. {NW} Interviewer: What would you say to make 'em stand still so you could milk them? 464: {D: Soul} Soul sook, whatever her name was. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Push your leg back. S- s- soul, soul sook soul. Interviewer: Sook was her name or 464: Uh-huh or some of 'em'd be sook and some'd be one thing, some'd be another. Interviewer: Uh-huh. How do you call a calf? 464: Co-sookie. Interviewer: #1 Okay # 464: #2 That's the way # I always called 'em. Co-sookie. Interviewer: Um 464: Here they come. Interviewer: and what would you tell a a mule or horse to make 'em turn left and right? 464: Gee and right. Interviewer: Okay. Which way was gee? 464: Right was gee. And haw was left. Interviewer: Uh-huh. How would you call horses? 464: Well I always just called mine by their name, whatever their name was. We had one named Laura and I'd just go to the lot and call her. I said come here Laura and she'd come walking on to me. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What would you say to if you were riding a horse what would you say to get him started? 464: Get up. Interviewer: And if he was already moving and you wanted him to go faster what would you tell him? 464: I'd just suck my tongue to him and pop him back then, tell him to get up. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And what about to stop him? 464: I'd say whoa. Interviewer: And to make him um back up? 464: I'd tell him to back up. Interviewer: Okay. And um how do you call hogs? 464: I'd call 'em pigs. I'd just go {NW} to the pen and call pigs. Come on pig. Pig! Pig! Pig! {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: What about sheep? Did you ever hear people call sheep? 464: No I ain't never had no dealing with no sheeps. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Sure ain't. And no well he did have some goats one time, a long time ago but I done forgot now how I call them to me. But I ain't forgot how I used to cut their throats. {NW} Interviewer: #1 You used to cut their # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: throats? 464: {NW} Yeah lord. I'd get ready for {X} {D: go wide} have the children to run him down, had to cut his throat and hang him up and skin him. Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: If you run him um if you run him down first wouldn't that make him 464: Uh if it was a a male goat time you caught him if he was hot you'd had a cut them sacks off. And the hogs the same way, if you get him hot you got to cut them sacks off before you do anything else cause if you don't that scent'll go all over the meat. Interviewer: Huh. 464: {NW} Sure will. Yeah I been all through back in there but it's been so long lots of it. I just can't tell just how I went through with it but I re- remember about them hogs and goats. {NW} And them male cows too. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Had a time you'd catch one, if you make him hot you got to cut them sacks off. Don't that scent'll go all through the meat. Interviewer: Huh. Why did you um why did you eat the the males? I thought their their meat wasn't as good? 464: Well Interviewer: was tougher. 464: It is tougher and it's stronger, if you don't cut them sacks off time you kill it. But if you cut the sack off time you kill him you can't tell no difference in it. Interviewer: Is it same as say a steer then? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. Interviewer: How do you call chickens? 464: {X} get out there and call 'em chick! Chick! Chick! Chick! Chick! Interviewer: Uh-huh, okay. 464: They'll come running. Interviewer: {D: Okay} 464: I used to raise chickens but I done got so old {D: with mine} don't have enough money to buy the feed so I don't mess with 'em, I just buy what chickens I eat out of the stores. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: {NW} That ain't much. Cause I don't have much, don't have no money to buy 'em with. Enough things got so high until can't buy much no how. You know one while I was on the welfare but {NS} they take me off the welfare, I don't get but just one little check now. {NS} Interviewer: How come they took you off the welfare? 464: Well they said I went in the hospital and I didn't pay all of my doctor bill while I was in there {NS} and they cut it off, I said well look like they would've waited {X} {NS} got it paid before they cut it off. {NW} {NW} That'll be a plenty on there {NW} {NW} {NW} Oh lordy. I went out this morning and picked up that trash. That girl what was here a while ago that's what I was talking about {NS} here way back first of the year I believe there come a little storm or something. And she got a lots {D: old creek} drowned her house and broke off some of them limbs and knocked the porch in and they got 'em sawed up for house wood. That's what I was talking to her about while ago back when she sell me some of it. To go on the fireplace cause you get some oakwood and put on there now them little chips and things'll keep a fire a long time with that oakwood. So I said I was gonna get some of the Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 boys # go with me out there this evening and buy some of it from her. C them little boards don't last long Interviewer: What um when you'd cook on a a wood stove you know? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You you had one of those didn't you? 464: Yeah I used to have one. Interviewer: Does it matter which type of wood you use? 464: no it didn't with me, I used any kind I could get {D: but} {NW} but oakwood is the best to cook on a wood stove. See it won't smoke it up so bad. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: With smut and stuff. Oakwood won't but {D: lighter than} stuff 'em. Chop one up and quick. Interviewer: Is there one kind that um what makes um the hottest fire? 464: Say what makes the hottest fire? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Oakwood when you get it to burn it makes the hottest fire. Just get you a little lighter and put up under some oakwood and get it to burn it and you got you a good fire then. Interviewer: Um what's made out of flour and baked in a loaf? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What's made out of flour and baked in a loaf? 464: I don't know. I sure couldn't tell you that now. Interviewer: Well it ki- kinds of bread. What 464: Say what? Interviewer: What kinds of bread are there? 464: Bread? Wheat ain't it? Interviewer: Okay. What do you call that that bread that comes in a loaf? 464: Light bread? Interviewer: Okay. And what do you put in light bread to make it rise? 464: Well I sure couldn't tell you that now {NW} {NW} I sure can't. I ain't no {D: cracker} I don't know. Interviewer: Well what 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 what # are some of the things you can 464: I heared folks say you put wheat and lemme see something else I heared 'em say you put in it but I done forgot it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Cause I ain't never tried to make none. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Or you could put baking powder or 464: Uh-huh. Well that's what I puts in my my li- my flour bread, I put some baking powder, some salt you know in there. The uh kind that ain't already prepared. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I put some baking powder some salt and eggs and or something or another in there. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 My my # flour'd I cook. Interviewer: Well what do they call that stuff that you can buy at the store to put put in things to make it rise? 464: what it to make the flour rise? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Baking powder. Interviewer: Well what else? 464: Soda. Interviewer: What else? 464: Well that's all I've ever put in any of mine. Baking powder, some soda. Interviewer: Well you know there's 464: #1 and uh # Interviewer: #2 something # Interviewer: you can buy at the store 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: it comes in little packages maybe. These little grains and things. 464: I don't remember what that is. Sure can't. Interviewer: Did you ever hear yeast or 464: Oh yeah mm-hmm sure yeah. Heard of yeast and make it rise too. {NW} But I tell you I just forgets a whole lot of things I used to know, I done forgot about it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What'd you used to call that? 464: Huh? What you put in there? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Yeast. And baking powders. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 And # {D: soda.} Interviewer: And um what else can you make out of out of flour besides light bread? 464: {D: I don't know.} Interviewer: Well 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 what are # 464: uh biscuit puddings? Interviewer: Okay. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What's a biscuit pudding? 464: Huh? Interviewer: Biscuit pudding? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What's that? 464: You know you cook the {NS} cook the biscuits {NW} and then if you got any left over {D: cold} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: now just put some water milk in 'em to soften them up and mash it up and put you some eggs and flavoring in there and {NS} s- slide it in the stove and bake it. Interviewer: Huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And that's biscuit pudding? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Never heard of that. 464: {NW} Yeah. Us old folks used to do all such as that {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: You say there's two kinds of bread, there's the homemade bread and then there's 464: Uh what kind? Interviewer: There's 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 homemade # bread and then there's the kind that you buy at the store. 464: light bread? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Well what do you call the kind that you buy? You call that 464: At the store you Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 talking about? # Light bread. Interviewer: Okay. And um talking about how much flour you buy you might say you had maybe a sack of flour would have five 464: Pounds. Interviewer: Okay. And the inside part of the egg is called the 464: {D: Yelp} I call it. The yellow part? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I call it the yel- I call it the yelp of the egg. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And when you cook 'em in hot water what do you call them? 464: Boil 'em. I boil 'em. I call it boiled eggs. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about when you crack 'em and let 'em fall outta the shells? 464: Fry 'em. Or scramble them one. Interviewer: Well and let 'em fall out of the shells into hot water. 464: Oh I don't know, I ain't never cooked none like that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um this is something that's it's fried in deep-fat and it's got a hole in the center? 464: Fried in deep-f- I can't remember what that is either. Sure can't. Interviewer: Well you could um it's maybe about this big, it's got a hole in the middle. You could buy it at a bakery or something. 464: {D: I don't know} I can't think of it. Hell I sure can't {C: laughing} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Well I was thinking of donut or something like that? 464: Oh yeah uh-huh. Yeah donut. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Are there different # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: ways of making donuts? 464: Yeah there sure is {D: but uh} I don't know can't remember now, it's been so long since I've cooked a donut 'til I can't rememb- {NW} I can't remember them different ways. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. {NW} Interviewer: What about something that you you make up a batter and fry three or four of these for breakfast? 464: Uh Interviewer: Eat 'em with syrup and butter? 464: {NW} uh I know but I can't call the name of it now. I call 'em flapjacks. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 Any other # Interviewer: old-fashioned name? 464: Fritters? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And what sort of things did you make out of corn meal? 464: {NW} cornbread and uh chicken dressing. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about something you might make to eat with fish? 464: Fish? Uh I don't know cause I don't never make nothing to eat with mine but some bake me some cornbread or {X} eat me some light bread {NW} with 'em {C: laughing} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Well what about something about this size that's fried in deep-fat? 464: Deep-fat. Interviewer: But it's got cornmeal and onion and pepper maybe mixed up with it. 464: Uh-huh. Let's see. I know but I can't think now what they what they call. Sure can't, I tell you my mind done I done got so old my mind's got bad, I can't think of things {C: laughing} {NW} {NW} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What'd people used to you remember when people'd cook on the fireplace? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What sort of things would they cook? 464: Say what would they cook? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Cook pone bread in spiders and Interviewer: What's 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 pone bread? # 464: {NW} {NW} They'd make up you know make up meal Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and uh then take take it up, they had it sorta stuff and take it up and in their hands and make pones like that and lay it around in that spider. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And put a lid on it and put a fire on top of the lid and have some coals up under the bottom. Interviewer: Huh. 464: My poor grandma used to cook, she had a great big old spider would hold four pones of bread at a time. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And they had an old fireplace ye- were right back over there. They had a fireplace and it was a big old fireplace, you know it was when it would carry ten ten-foot rail in there. Interviewer: #1 Ten- # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: foot? 464: Ten-foot rail. Sure would. Interviewer: {X} 464: And they'd cook, she had to cook on that fireplace and uh {NW} thinks about it now lots of time my auntie, her baby girl, grandma's baby girl grandma'd be cooking over on this side of the fireplace and it'd be cold my auntie would have old chair like this she'd be sitting up over in the other corner of the fireplace {NW} {NS} Interviewer: In the other corner of the fireplace? 464: She sure did. Interviewer: {NW} 464: Yeah {D: that's her.} You can ask any of 'em around here most that she had a they had a ten-foot fireplace. Interviewer: Go- 464: They cooked on that place in that fireplace. And she had a big old pot about that high Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and uh she would uh had a garden up the lane there from a {D: peak} She said children come go with me up here and let's get us some greens. We'd go get greens, they had old smokehouse off out there where they'd have dried meat at. She'd go out there and cut her down a hog jowl. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: She'd put that hog jowl on, take us with us up to that garden and she'd cut down some greens, had some {X} {NW} cabbage collards, she'd cut us down a load of 'em and we'd go to the house and she'd go to picking greens and she'd send us it was {NW} they're about further from up on top of that hill over yonder. We had to go across the branch to go to a spring to get water. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: She'd give all of us children a jug two jugs a piece. We'd {D: go} the water and she'd cook that big old pot full of collard greens and had that big old s- s- spider up there and she'd put them four pones of bread {NW} {NW} {NW} yeah lord. Lots of them things. These late model things come along, I forgot 'em but I ain't forgot them old things. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Sure ain't. Interviewer: Do you remember um ever cooking something out of cornmeal cooking it in ashes? 464: Ashcake they call 'em uh-huh. Interviewer: How #1 would they # 464: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: do that? 464: {NW} They would {NW} {NW} make it up just like like I was telling you grandma used to make up that cornbread? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Then rake all the coals back and have a bed of hot ashes and wrap it up in piece of paper or something or other, I don't know what she wrapped it up in now but then she'd rake them ashes up on the top of it. And let it lay in there and cook and they called it ashcakes so that's what I called 'em. {NW} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a hoecake or a corn dodger? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah I have cooked hoecakes but I ain't cooked no corn dodger. {NW} Interviewer: #1 What's a # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: corn dodger? 464: I don't know now what they is. But I have heared of 'em but I ain't never cooked none. Sure ain't. But I would call bread just made up and put in a f- wait and set in the stove and bake it, I'd call that a corn dodger. {NW} Interviewer: #1 That you put in a # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: what? {NS} 464: Say what? Interviewer: How do you how do you fix that now? 464: I just make up my {NW} cornbread, I put me some flour and some baking powders and a egg Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and stir it up. Then put me some grease in it or {X} {D: I forgot} butter, I put butter in it and stir it up and uh put me some grease in the bottom of the fryer in the bottom of the fryer sprinkle me a little f- meal down in the bottom of it Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 that # 464: fryer. {D: Rake} my cornbread in there. And set it in the stove and bake it and I call that cor- corn dodger {NW} I don't know what it is. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um did you ever see anybody kill a hog? 464: Uh-huh. I have killed 'em myself. Interviewer: How tell me how you how you'd do that. 464: Knock him in the head and stab him on his left side. Up under his left {D: I like} said shoulder, up under his left foot arm here and let him bleed. Interviewer: You say 464: #1 Then # Interviewer: #2 you # Interviewer: did what to him? 464: Stab him with a knife. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: You know you knock him in the head with a axe. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then you take a knife and stab him. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: In his left shoulder. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And let him bleed. Then whenever he dies while you have hot water Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and you have your {X} turpentine barrel or drum or anything like that and pour your hot water in there and put you some turpentine in there. Come off of turpentine trees. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Put it in there and then stick your hog in there and have you some boards out there to pull him out on pull the hair off him. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Put one end in and scald it and pull the hair off of it and then change him around, put the other end in it. Interviewer: What um 464: I I know all that old stuff but I don't know this new stuff. {NW} Interviewer: What did you call those parts of the meat then? What {NW} When you how would you cut him then? 464: Well you c- hang him up and gut him. Hang him up by his two hinds feets and and uh on a stick and gut him. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Take his guts out {X} and then you take him off down from there and have you a table or something to put him on and you cut his his feet off and his head off and then you cut his uh shoulders. Interviewer: Uh- 464: #1 And # Interviewer: #2 huh. # 464: and his hams this the back part they call that the ham. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And this front part they called it the shoulders. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then you cut him take a axe and chop him open, cut his backbone out and these two parts over here is his his his middlings they called it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {C: traffic} 464: Then then chop it up like that. Interviewer: Then what? 464: I say and then you chop his backbone up in pieces Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 take his # cut his backbone out. And them middlings you just let them stay whole if you want to and the ham too and the shoulders too. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What do you call um the kind of meat that you buy already sliced to eat with eggs? 464: Eggs, bacon. {NS} Interviewer: I- what's the difference between bacon and middling? 464: Huh? Interviewer: What's the difference between ma- bacon and middling? 464: Well I don't reckon there no difference in it, look like that come from the middling to me. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} It seem like it do. {NW} Interviewer: What do you call the that outside part that you cut off before you slice it? 464: Skin? Interviewer: Okay. And um when you cut the side of a hog what do you call that? 464: The sides? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I call it the middling. Interviewer: Would you call that a middling of bacon or side of 464: #1 middling # Interviewer: #2 bacon or # 464: yeah side of bacon and Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 But you # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: know we always called it the middling Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: when we was coming up. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And um what about the the kind of the fat salt pork? 464: Fat salt pork. Well They cu- they call that I called it the fat out in a hog. You cut it out you cut it out of the part the middling part, the back. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then you cut off some of the middling part of it and make cracklings out in it what we called it. Interviewer: What was that? 464: Fried up. Dry it up and make we called it cracklings. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} And we'd make crackling bread out of it. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} We would get some cornbread mix meal in the dried-up {NS} {X} the stuff up what we called the cracklings. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And put it in the bread and and put it in the stove and bake it. Interviewer: Huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about um the kinda meat that you you'd boil with greens? 464: Bacon. Interviewer: Or that fat 464: Ba- fat. Yeah I called it let's see now I know what I called it but I done forgot that now. As good as I like to boil with greens I can't think of what we called it {NW} Interviewer: Well 464: {NW} Interviewer: did you call it um side meat or 464: #1 yeah uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 fatback or white # meat? 464: Yeah we called it white meat. That's what we called it. {NW} Interviewer: What now what did that what was that like? What part did it come from? 464: It come from the next to the backbone you know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Cut the backbone out like that and that'd leave a piece uh fat upside of the rib part of the meat Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and then you'd cut on both sides of it and cut it out and then you'd cut that off 'em. We called it white side. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: That's what we called it {NW} Interviewer: #1 Um # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: What'd you call those um well say you might take the the trimmings and slice them up and grind them up and season them. You'd make 464: Sausage. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What would you call a person who kills and sells meat? 464: Butcher. Interviewer: Okay. And if meat's been kept too long you say the meat is done what? 464: Gone stale. Interviewer: Or it's not not fit to eat anymore you'd say that it's 464: Uh-huh {D: it's gone} yeah. Sure would, I see'd some down there yesterday that was done turned black as I is just about it. {NW} Interviewer: At the store? Or 464: Uh-huh. They had done picked it out or where they kept the other meat at and put it over in another place and I went there and looked at it. I said {NW} I said they need to give that meat to somebody before it got in that shape. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 I see'd # I see'd a chicken in there here about black as I was. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 I # reckon they was gonna carry it to the garbage but they ought to give it away before it let there and rot like that. Interviewer: Yeah. {X} 464: I would've if it'd been me. Uh-huh. Interviewer: What um what would you call the the inside parts that you'd eat? Want me to put this on? 464: Uh-huh. #1 We # Interviewer: #2 What # 464: call 'em chitterlings. Interviewer: Okay. What other inside parts? 464: {NW} Liver and lights. {NS} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: You had a kitty-cornered up in there. {NW} {NW} {NW} {D: that way} You stayed around me you'd learn how to burn long wood, wouldn't you? Interviewer: {NW} 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I guess so. # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Do you have something called the harslet or the haslet? 464: Yeah they the hearts- and the haslets. And the liver. Interviewer: What's the haslets? 464: That's the lights, we call 'em the lights. Interviewer: What part is that? 464: That's the inside next to the liver. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Is that the lungs? Or 464: Uh-uh. No. That ain't the lungs. But it's there's uh three three parts in there. It's got some lungs and then he got something that's dark-colored. It's the liver. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 Then that # light-colored that's the lights. And then they got lungs in there too. Interviewer: Does anyone ever eat the lungs? 464: {NW} some folks eats but I ain't never eat none I don't think unless it's when I was a child and didn't know it. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} But I loved the liver and the lights. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And the heart of a hog. {NW} Interviewer: After you'd kill a hog what can you make with the meat from it's head? 464: Sauce. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Hoghead sauce they call it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Take it and boil it. And 'til it get's good and done then cut it up cut you a onion up in it and black pepper and and mash it up put it in a {NW} flour sack, that's the way we used to do it. Put it in a flour sack and hang it up {D: somewhere's and} let the grease drip out. And you can slice it off into pieces like that. Interviewer: How long would it take for the grease to drip out? 464: Mm it'll take about a day if it's real cold weather. But if it ain't why it won't take it that long. {NW} I loves that too. Yeah you cook the feet and the head together. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then you mash 'em up, pick all them bones out of 'em. Mash 'em up and cut you some onions and put black pepper and salt and sage in 'em. Interviewer: Whe- when you say you cook the head the that you have the head in there with the eyes and the brains still in it? 464: Uh-huh. No no you cuts {NW} you take the head when you cut the jowl off and the this part under here you cut it off and i- then you take the head and you split it open. Interviewer: How? 464: Take a axe and Interviewer: #1 {D: along} # 464: #2 split # uh-huh. Split it open Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 like that. # 464: And then take the brains out. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And and the pull the eyes out {X} you just cook the ears and the nose and the s- other part of the back part of the head and the feet. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh Interviewer: What do you with the eyes and the brain? 464: Throw I throwed the bra- eyes away but I cooked some brain. Put get me some hot water. There a little skim over them brains. And you can take you some hot water and pour them brains and you can skim that little skim off of the brains. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then you can put 'em in some water and boil them a little bit. And boil the pull that water off of them. And put you some grease {D: or whatever} butter or something in there and break you some eggs or something in there and stir 'em up. Interviewer: What does it taste like? 464: They good to me, they tastes good {NW} Interviewer: Sounds 464: {NW} sounds nasty though don't it? {C: laughing} Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 464: #2 {NW} # But they ain't it's clean. If you skim that skim off 'em, just put 'em in some hot water and and that skim'll peel right on off of them brains. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NS} 464: And then you can boil them a little bit and pull that water off and put you some grease in there break you a egg in there and stir it all up together, they eats good. {NW} Interviewer: Do you ever um hear of making something by cooking and grinding up the liver? 464: Grinding up the liver? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: No I ain't never ground up no liver like that. Interviewer: Did you ever heard of anything made out of the blood? 464: Uh-uh. No I sure ain't. Interviewer: Have have you ever heard of scrapple or pon haus? 464: Huh? Interviewer: Scrapple or cripple or pon haus? 464: Uh-uh. No I sure ain't. Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 If I heared # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: it I done forgot about it. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Um say if you had some butter that was kept too long and it didn't taste right you'd say that the butter was 464: I'd say it was rank. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what do you call thick sour milk? 464: Buttermilk? Interviewer: Well that's {NS} that's when it's been churned. 464: But well that's well after you churn it I always call it buttermilk. Interviewer: What about before you churn it? 464: It's clabber. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Is there anything you can make out of the clabber besides the buttermilk? 464: Uh no, not as I knows of. I ain't never made nothing out of it {X} Interviewer: You ever heard of some kind of cheese being made out of clabber? 464: I have heared tell of it but I don't know nothing about that. Interviewer: You remember what they called it? 464: I think they called it clabber cheese. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What's the first thing you have to do after milking? 464: Strain your milk. Interviewer: Okay. 464: And {D: to churn it} or a jar or something. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um say if you took milk or cream and mixed that with maybe some sugar and nutmeg and poured it over pie what would you call that? 464: Put the s- makes how? Interviewer: Well something like milk or cream and with sugar and nutmeg maybe. 464: I'd call it icing. Interviewer: Okay. And um food taken between regular meals you'd call that a 464: Say which? Interviewer: Say if you'd already eaten and but you went in and if you'd already eaten dinner but you went in and fixed yourself something to eat. 464: I'd call it warmed-over. Interviewer: Well what what do you mean warmed-over? 464: {NW} food dinner snack, whatever you call it. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Warmed-over is as if it's 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 already # been cooked? 464: Cooked, uh-huh. Yeah and Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 I'll go # warm it over again and go eat, I'd call that a warmed-over dinner or supper Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {X} # {NW} Interviewer: What about a snack? That 464: {NW} Interviewer: what's a snack? 464: Well I guess I I don't know Interviewer: {NW} 464: what I'd call that. Interviewer: Well #1 you you mentioned # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: the word snack. What does a snack mean? 464: Snack. Just a warmed-over snack I reckon. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} {NS} {NW} {NS} Interviewer: Um and um what sort of things can you make out of apples? Well that you can make just an apple pie and what else? 464: Uh-huh. {NW} Apple pie and let's see now I I don't know now I can't think. Interviewer: Did you ever heard of um making something that's sort of like a pie only it's got several layers of fruit and dough in it. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You put down the dough and then some apples and then some more dough on top of that and maybe 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 some more # apples. 464: Uh-huh. Apple pie. Interviewer: {X} did you ever hear something um um apple slump or deep-dish apple pie? Or 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Apple # valley or apple cobbler or 464: yeah I have heared of it but I ain't eat none, I ain't tried to cook none {NW} Interviewer: What did you hear it called? 464: {NW} Let's Interviewer: #1 or # 464: #2 see # Interviewer: do you remember? 464: I can't remember now but I have heared of that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say um the talking about the the cornmeal again um did you ever hear of um taking just cornmeal and maybe some salt and and boiling that and making something that you could eat with a spoon? 464: Uh-huh. Soup. Interviewer: Or it's not not really soup, it's it's just got cornmeal and salt and water. 464: {NW} {NW} I don't know what that is. I bet Emmie or Ms Corale could tell you but I can't Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Well did you ever hear something called cush? Or mush? Or um 464: cush. Interviewer: Huh? 464: cush. Interviewer: Well yeah wha- what's that now? 464: {NW} well my old man used to make it, he'd call it cush, I don't know what it was he'd fry him a piece of meat in a fryer and pour him some water in there then take him some meal Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and s- stir it up in there, he called it cush, I reckon that's what it was. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um this is something that um is made out of out of corn. You it's ground up. 464: Ground up? Interviewer: You eat it for breakfast. 464: Uh uh grits? Interviewer: Okay. Do you remember um people taking the corn and and soaking it maybe in {D: lye} water and leeching the husk off? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What was that called? 464: I call that uh {X} I have eat a any piece of it. Grandma used to cook it for us. {D: Lightcorn, that's what she'd call it.} Interviewer: Okay. And what about something it's it's white and it's made from a grain and um well you could eat it with ham maybe. {NS} 464: {NW} let's see {NW} {NS} {X} let me see. Interviewer: Well people in China and Japan eat it a lot. It's white. 464: I don't know, I must've not have never s- I ain't never got on to that I don't reckon. Interviewer: Well it's something real common. It's white it's from it's a grain. 464: Rice? Interviewer: Okay. And um 464: I tell you I'm I'm mindless, I have to study over a thing. {NS} {NW} Interviewer: Say um if dinner was on the table and the family was standing around the table you'd tell them 464: Dinner was ready. Interviewer: Or and you'd tell 'em go ahead and 464: Ask blessing and eat. Interviewer: Or they're standing up you'd tell them to 464: To have a seat. Sit down. Interviewer: Okay. So you'd say so then he went ahead and what down? 464: Sit down and say the blessing. Interviewer: Okay. And you'd say nobody {C: knock on the door} else was standing 464: Come on in! {NS} Aux: {X} {NS} Well they still talk to me about my dress but 464: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # 464: I'll {NW} get you a seat. Aux: You still here?! 464: Don't ask for no meat. Aux: {X} meat no nothing else. 464: {NW} Aux: #1 All I want's # 464: #2 {NW} # Aux: a job now. 464: Maybe she'll give you a job. Aux: {D: That ain't like what} I want some money out of it now 464: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {D: Not here for free y'all} # 464: {NW} Aux: Can you get me a job? Interviewer: I don't know where. Aux: {X} Aux #2: Where'd you get your's from? Interviewer: {NW} 464: You got your's from upstates. {C: multiple speakers} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 didn't you? # Aux: #1 {X} # 464: #2 You got your's from upstates didn't you? # Aux: {X} Aux #2: {X} 464: {NW} Aux #2: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {X} # Aux #2: jobs now. Aux: You can't get 464: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {D: You ain't gone home yet?} # {X} Aux #2: I think you ought {X} Aux: {X} Interviewer: Huh? 464: Say what? Aux: #1 {X} # Aux #2: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: They tell say one thing and every time you ask you sa- you say I'm from {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} Aux: I think you hang up on the wall. 464: {X} Aux #2: I'm from out of Campton ain't nothing, no jobs. 464: {NW} Aux: Take that if you want to and I sure do need one. 464: I tell her a while ago that she asking them {C: laughing} old back ways I can answer them but I ain't nothing with #1 this new # Aux: #2 {X} # You don't get that back that ain't getting you no money at all. You don't go from that back stuff. 464: {NW} Aux: That's old-fashioned Aux #2: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Aux #2: stuff. 464: Where's Emmitt? Oh. Aux: Yeah she better not come out there cause I ain't got time for that, I gotta clean up. Unless she wanna help, do you wanna clean up? Interviewer: {NW} 464: Tell 'em no Aux #2: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # 464: Tell her that ain't your job. {NW} Aux: #1 It ain't mine neither but I do it. # 464: #2 {NW} # {D: It's your home.} 464: {X} week full of {D: ashes} out of my job working. Interviewer: {X} 464: They don't talk nothing but fool all the time. Interviewer: How do you mean? 464: {NW} They {NW} that's all junk crazy talk. I went up to the {C: traffic} went up to the {NS} {D: Narry Neal} up yonder. Week before last and got 'em a job of working. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And my daughter's leg have been broke about two year ago I reckon. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And she hops on it all the time. Now I told 'em told 'em I said now y'all can't stand that job. Nothing to doing but to go up there and work so they worked up there a week and two days I think and they quit. I said uh-huh, I told y'all you {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: And that's all they talk about now, somebody getting them a job I say well excuse me I say shit they must've get you one you couldn't hold it {NW} Interviewer: Seems like there ought to be something 464: Say what? Interviewer: Seems like they ought to find some kind of job. 464: Well uh Fanny got a job you know two-day job. And that other girl Interviewer: #1 which one? # 464: #2 that bright # girl what was here she had her a job down at uh let's see, I can't think of the people's name. She had her a job down there and they help her get that car she got. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And she quit that. And all the time talking about she want a job, she ain't gonna work if she get a job. She sure ain't. That's all she talk about a job, somebody get her a job, get her a job. She get one she ain't gonna stay to it. I don't see no need in nobody trying to get her {D: nail} Interviewer: Well what does she do now? During the day? 464: Nothing. What you see her doing now, riding when her car ain't broke down {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} {NS} {NS} Come on! {NW} And they talk so much and it's all over crazy talk. I ain't talking about Emmie's daughter no more than I is mine. Mine is about as crazy as Emmie's is, just talk old crazy talk all the time. I went up there this morning and they come up there, she come up there. They got talking their old crazy talk, I just got up and walked on back to the house. {NW} Ooh lordy. I'm too old to be involved with that. Interviewer: {NW} 464: I thought I glimpsed somebody. You see anybody out there? Interviewer: No. Is this the car that's going past there? 464: I reckon it was my eyes cu- {NW} you know I broke the frame in my glasses. And I'm trying to get up enough money to go back and get 'em fixed. My eyes worries me so bad. Feel like there's something in 'em all the time. Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} I say I'm gonna get these quilts so when I'm going make 'em pay me for 'em before they carry 'em off cause if I don't now last week before last I let my granddaughter have two quilts. She was going to pay me seven dollars a piece for 'em. Be back grandma tomorrow and pay you, that was last Sunday was a week ago she's coming back to pay me. I ain't seed her no more, yeah she did come Saturday night and told me about her brother. He got shot down there in Panama or somewhere. Interviewer: {NW} 464: And they went to see him and she come and told me about how he was doing. {NW} I ain't seen no mention of quilts now I didn't, but I'm going to see her one day this week. Tell her I need my money cause I need my glasses fixed. {D: And she's} She got her check Thursday, she ought to come on and paid me. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say if um there was some food on the table, maybe some potatoes and you wanted someone not to just wait until they were passed over to 'em you'd tell the person just go ahead and 464: Say which you now? Go over it again. Interviewer: Well say if if y'all were sitting around at a table and maybe there was some potatoes on the table or something 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: and you wanted to tell me not to just wait until they're passed over to me 464: Uh- Interviewer: you tell me just go ahead and 464: And pass 'em. Interviewer: But just go ahead 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 and # 464: and get you a potato. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Um would you ever say go ahead and and help 464: Help yourself. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Help yourself. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if um if you decide not to eat something you'd say well no thank you I don't 464: Care for nothing. Interviewer: Okay. {NW} And um what do you call carrots and peas and beets and so on? 464: {NW} Call it boiled food? Interviewer: Well you'd call those things that you grow you'd call those 464: {NW} {D: let's see} Vegetable. Interviewer: Okay. 464: I tell you, these here two girls, they worried me so bad what little mind I is got I can't think about it. Interviewer: {NW} Uh-huh. {NW} 464: Now that's like you see in there, they liable to come back here two or three times a day talking that same old crazy talk. I call it crazy. They may call it sensible but I don't. Interviewer: They come here and normally just that much? 464: Mm-hmm. It worries me. Interviewer: I bet they come here more than that to see see if I'm still here and 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 what I'm doing. # 464: {NW} Interviewer: I got the feeling that younger one didn't 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 care too much for me. # 464: Say which? Interviewer: I got the feeling one of them didn't care too much for me. 464: Mm that one sitting over there? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Mm-hmm She don't care too much for nobody. Interviewer: {NW} 464: It's just she worries me though and and my daughter that other one what would come over here {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: she got where she just about as {D: worration} as that one is that's sitting over there. Lord I said I don't know. Interviewer: Well maybe they'll both find them a good job and 464: Well they won't keep it if they get Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 'em. # 464: Now Fanny my daughter I say that for her, I ain't saying that cause she's mine but she get a good job she'll hold it. But you know that mill up there, that was too hard on them. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: And Fanny's leg was broke, now you oughta've seed it. All since she quit there that thing's been as swole like that ever since she quit working up Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 there. # 464: But Eva-May she just ain't gonna work nowhere long at the time. Ain't gonna do nothing but ride and talk. Interviewer: {NW} she'll have to work to pay for the gas in her car. 464: Well see how she get's her gas in her car my brother's sick. He's under the doctor. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And he draws a check and uh he pays her to carry him backward and forth to Cretchview Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 He'll # pay her and when he car- that's carry him to the store or something. Why he'll get her gas and so my daughter's husband get him to carry her somewhere he'll pay her gas. That's the way she keeps her gas in her car. Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} {NS} Now go ahead and go to asking questions again, if I can answer them I'll answer Interviewer: #1 O- # 464: #2 them. # Interviewer: -kay. 464: But them gals gets on my nerves. Interviewer: Yeah. Well they'll be back in a little while I'm sure. 464: Yeah they'll be back directly. Interviewer: What would you call a place near your house where you grow vegetables? 464: A field? Garden? Interviewer: Okay. And um do you ever hear of people making whiskey themselves? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah I sure have. Cause I have helped make it. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 How do you make it? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} well {NW} {D: there's what else} to tell the truth, the Lord know. So it ain't no use to try to hide it. {D: when um} my husband was living he make made it. And uh I would help him. But he'd put some syrup and let's see what else, I think he put a little meal in the stuff. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh syrup and meal and corn I think Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: in the barrel. And pour water in it and let it sour and then he put it in a pot and had a long old rod run from that and it had a something up on s- s- something up on top of that pot that that rod run in it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And he'd have that old rod in there and hi- {X} it'd make it run out of that rod back in a bucket out here. Yeah lord I have helped do that too. Interviewer: What do 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 they call that? # 464: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 464: Rum. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Called it a rum still. {NW} {NW} Sure did, that's been years ago but I sure helped him make it. Interviewer: There any other names for whiskey like that? 464: {NW} Interviewer: maybe if it's if it's real bad stuff you know real cheap? 464: {NW} Let's see no. Ca- call it low wine I think. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I think that's what they called it. Interviewer: Would you ever hear the 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 word # Interviewer: huh? 464: I didn't say nothing. Interviewer: Oh. Did you ever hear the word splo? 464: #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 Called it # splo? 464: Yeah I hearing it but I don't know what that is. Interviewer: Who did you hear it from? 464: I heared a heap of people talk about splo but I ain't never found out what it was. Interviewer: Is is that a a new word? I mean something that young people talk about? 464: {NW} {NW} Uh-huh. I think it is. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And I've heared stuff about, what they call that now? What is all stuff what they folks drink night makes 'em crazy? {NW} Interviewer: That they drink? Or 464: {NW} Yeah they drinks it I think or sniff it or something. Interviewer: Well there's some stuff you smoke. 464: Yeah. Interviewer: #1 Marijuana # 464: #2 Smoke # yeah yeah. Uh-huh, I've heared tell of that too. But I don't know nothing about it, I've just heared 'em talking about it some of 'em smoking it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about beer? Has any- 464: #1 beer? # Interviewer: #2 one # made beer at home? 464: No not as I know of. I don't know nothing about no beer made on what they buys all I know and I reckon you seed a whole lot of cans out there in that cold box but I don't drink it. But say uh they sells cans. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Get so much I think it's ain't much for this three cent a pound I think. And so one of my cousins out there sent me them Sunday night. I said I was gonna sell me some, I got to make me some money somehow. He said I reckon it's no harm to sell the cans what the other people done drinked it. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # So she picked up some sent 'em to me Sunday night. Yeah yeah I got, told Fann and them this morning, I got to mash 'em up. {NW} Get my boy to carry 'em down there and sell 'em for me cause I got to get my glasses fixed somehow or another. Interviewer: {NW} 464: #1 Don't wanna # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 464: beat nobody to get 'em fixed. I sure'd love to get 'em carried off. Interviewer: Where do you have to go? Down to Crestview? 464: Crestview, mm-hmm. My eyes feels like they trash in 'em, keep me digging in 'em all the time. {NS} {NW} Interviewer: You just need some more glasses or what? 464: Mm see they uh they uh rim I dropped 'em. And that thing I reckon I call it rim, what go behind your ear? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: It broke off right at the end of the {D: derlin} and I got to have it fixed back on that. Interviewer: Huh. Um what does it say like um on a belt you know? This on a belt that's made out of cowhide? 464: Say which? Interviewer: You know on a um say a a belt that you wear, that like this it's 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 made # outta cowhide. 464: Called Interviewer: #1 what is # 464: #2 it # Interviewer: it say on there to let you know that it's it's made outta real cowhide? 464: I don't know. I call 'em leather belts, I don't know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I Interviewer: #1 call # 464: #2 what # {NW} Interviewer: #1 it says it # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: it isn't imitation it's it gen- 464: Cowhide? Interviewer: Uh-huh. It's it's not imitation it's gen- 464: {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever hear genuine or genuine? 464: Uh- huh. I sure couldn't tell you now. Ain't no use in me trying to tell you something I don't know nothing #1 about. # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Um # 464: All that I know about I'll tell you and that I don't know I just ain't gonna try to tell it Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 cause I don't know it. # Interviewer: Do you remember um when they'd they sell sugar by they'd they'd weigh it out of the barrel? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 They'd say # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: that sugar was sold how? 464: By the pound. Interviewer: Okay. Or do you hear another expression for that? Sugar was sold in 464: In bags. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about in bulk or bulk? 464: Bulk I can't remember that neither. {NW} {C: traffic} Sure can't, I can't remember that. There's lots of things like I tell these children, my children {NW} me and F-P and L-J be sitting hear them no wonder boys that come here last night They thought I say I say I'm forgetful. I say but the two things I don't never forget I say if you treat me good I don't forget it and if you mistreat me I don't forget it. I said but there are lots of things I know I forgets about 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And some I can think of maybe somebody bring it to my mind. {NW} Interviewer: What do you call the thing that um maybe made out of um apples or peaches or something like that that that you can spread on toast or biscuits in the morning? 464: Tarts? Interviewer: What did well you I'm sure you used to make it. 464: Uh Interviewer: It could be jam or 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah jam, make jam out {NW} Sure. Interviewer: And what else? 464: {NW} I have made apple tarts that way. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: You know spread me the apples on it and piece of bread on there and {D: sapple up the end} lay it in the stove and let it get sort of warm and eat it Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about something that you'd what sort of things did you can? 464: Can. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Peaches. Apples. Pears. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And Interviewer: Well what what about a sweet spread that you could make? 464: Jelly Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 Did you used to make # that much? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah I made some this year. Interviewer: Oh really? 464: Sure have. {NS} And uh I made some jelly and I put up some pea- no I didn't put up no pears cause I didn't get none. Some peaches a few peaches. And made some jam. And put up some fried okra. Fried my okra and packed it up in jars. Interviewer: I didn't know you could put it up fried. 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah you can put it up fried. But it takes a lots of grease to put up fried {NW} okra, I'm telling you. {NW} But see I had more in my deep freezer when I was on keep on putting more in there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: So I just when I got me some okra I just fried it and packed it up in jars. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And it keeps alright? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah here it keeps, I'll show it to you. {NS} {NW} if I can get up. Interviewer: {X} 464: brought up {D: against} some grandchildren down there Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And uh what do you have on the table to season your food with? 464: {NW} salt and black pepper and Interviewer: Okay. 464: Ketchup. Interviewer: #1 And # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: huh? 464: Cu- salt and black pepper and ketchup and let's let's see now what else. Something else but I done forgot it now {NS} {NW} Interviewer: Say um if there was a bowl of apples sitting on the table and a child wanted one he'd tell you 464: {X} I wants one of them apples. Interviewer: Or he'd say give me 464: Give me one of them apples. {NW} Interviewer: And um say if if you don't have any money at all you say you're not rich, you're 464: Poor. Interviewer: And um say if you have a lot of peach trees say you have a peach 464: Orchard. Interviewer: And um the inside part of a cherry you know the part that you don't eat 464: The seeds? Interviewer: Okay. What about in a peach? 464: The seeds. Interviewer: And what do you call that part inside the peach? 464: Inside the peach? {NW} I'd call it uh {X} can't think. I'd say the meat of the peach, I don't know what {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: What do you call that kind of peach that you have to cut the seed out of? 464: {X} a press? Interviewer: Okay. What about the other kind of peach? 464: Uh {NW} I know but I just can't call it now. {NS} {X} {D: clair seed?} Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um the part of the apple that you don't eat. 464: The kernel. Interviewer: {NW} And um when you'd cut up apples and dry them you say you're making 464: Dried apples? Interviewer: Okay. But wha- what do you call that part that you throw away? {X} 464: Peeling. Interviewer: Or after you've eaten it. 464: Oh the kernel? Interviewer: Okay. And what kinds of nuts do you have around here? 464: Pecans and {NS} hazelnuts and hickory nuts. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Well they call 'em walnuts but I said hickory nuts {NW} Interviewer: Do you think um is that the same thing? 464: Let's see. Is it the same thing now? Walnuts and hickory nuts? Uh-uh. No it sure ain't. There're walnut and then there are hickory nut. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You know on the walnut it's got a a soft covering you know when it first falls off the tree? 464: Mm-hmm. I call that the hull on there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Then when you take that off you've still got a hard cover 464: Uh sure do, you have to crack that one. Interviewer: What do you call that? 464: I what do I call that inside? Interviewer: Well that yeah that hard 464: I call it a hickory nut hull. Interviewer: Okay. And um what about the kind of nuts that grow in the ground? 464: Peanuts. Interviewer: Any other name for that? 464: Pindars. Interviewer: Now is that the same thing? 464: No it ain't same thing cause a peanut it's a little old short something, it's just got two peanuts in 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And a pindar some of 'em got two and three in 'em. Call them pindars we do here. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And them little old bitty ones we call 'em peanuts. Interviewer: Uh-huh. A pindar is the 464: #1 It's a long one # Interviewer: #2 it's the long one? # 464: uh-huh and the peanut's a little old two-hulled two Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: thing in 'em. They little old bitty things. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about um something that's about the size of an apple and it it grows in Florida a lot? 464: Mm let's see. {D: that's uh} Interviewer: It's you now about this this big or so? 464: That's a uh I can't call the name of it now. Uh Pomegranate? Interviewer: Well I'm #1 thinking # 464: #2 No? # Interviewer: of something more common that 464: Oh. Let's see now. {NS} A is it a quince? Interviewer: Or just something um well what you know in in Christmas um what do people what Santa Claus {D: must've} put in 464: #1 Oh uh # Interviewer: #2 stockings? # What kinda fruit? 464: Oranges and uh Interviewer: Okay. 464: and uh let's see have to be studying on the other one now. Interviewer: Well oranges was what I was thinking of. 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. {C: door creaks} Oranges. Uh-huh. Interviewer: Say if you had a bowl of oranges or one day you went in to get one and there weren't any left you'd oranges are 464: Gone. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um what sort of things did you grow in a garden? 464: Well collards, cabbages, turnips, Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 and # rutabagas. Interviewer: What do you call all those things? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What do you call all those things? 464: Say what do I call Interviewer: Yeah the turnips and collards. 464: Collards well the turnips has roots on 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And the collards just grows up and has leaves. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And the mustard grows up with just leaves, they don't have no roots. And rutabagas has roots on 'em. Interviewer: What do you call those leaves when you cook 'em? 464: I just call 'em rutabaga leaves or collard leaves or whatever Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {X} # {NW} Interviewer: You say you cook the turnips and make a mess of 464: Huh? Interviewer: You cook the turnips and make a mess of 464: Uh turnips. Mm-hmm. Just make a mess of turnips all I know. Interviewer: Okay. Would you ever call that salad? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah, I called it salad sometimes, sometimes I say turnips. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 And greens? # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: Uh- Interviewer: #1 You # 464: #2 huh. # Interviewer: mentioned that earlier. 464: Yeah collard collard salad and turnip salad and mustard salad and rutabaga salad. Interviewer: What about poke? 464: Poke. Poke salad? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. I cooks that sometime when I can find it, I don't find none now though. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 They # cook I can go get that and boil it in uh wash it off after I boil it and then I get me some young turnips or something and mix it with 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And I call that salad, poke salad. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: What else do you grow in a garden? 464: Well onions. Sweet peas. English peas and Interviewer: Talking about the onions what do you call those little young fresh ones that you'd pull up and eat? {NS} 464: {D: I don't} {NS} Fool gone I reckon, he ai- woke up and gone. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Huh? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} I said he gone I reckon. Uh some little here how, I don't know what they call them now. Sure don't. {NW} Lord have mercy. Interviewer: Uh do you know what I mean? 464: Uh-uh. Interviewer: You know you take these onions and well you get 'em early in the spring you know before they get before they get real big 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 and # 464: Little old bitty things like that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Well {NW} {NW} we always gets them and set 'em out and then they'll make big old roots. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: When they get rooted then {D: time to} take 'em up or the {D: stalks'll} go to dying, you dig the roots up Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: and save them. Mm-hmm. And I have went out and cropped mine when they'd be growing up crop 'em off and fry 'em with eggs, mix 'em up with eggs {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What about a little red thing that grows down in the ground? 464: Radish? Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 And what about # something that's red, it grows up on a you stake it up. Grows on a bush. 464: {NW} wa- tomatoes? Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 What do you call # those little ones? 464: {NW} Uh them little red things Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 growing up? # Interviewer: Well 464: #1 I # Interviewer: #2 this # 464: call 'em wait a minute, let me see now. {X} Interviewer: It's tomatoes you know. 464: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Those little ones # 464: But I I was trying to think of what I'd call them little things. I done forgot now what I call them. But I remember what you talking about, the little bitty old uh tomatoes. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But I don't know Interviewer: #1 Did you ever hear # 464: #2 I done forgot # Interviewer: cherry tomatoes or salad tomatoes or tommy toes? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah sure have. Interviewer: What is it? 464: {X} Uh-huh, they're they them little tommy toes they grows in there #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # 464: {NW} Sure. Interviewer: Did you ever hear that called outhouse tomatoes? 464: No I ain't heared 'em call 'em that as I know of. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And something that grows down in the ground you'd po- people say along with your meat you might have a baked 464: Sweet potato? Interviewer: Okay. What kinds of sweet potatoes are there? 464: There are well I'm gonna tell you, that's what I got used to hear it called them dark kind they call 'em nig killers. {NW} Interviewer: #1 They call 'em what? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} they {NW} they had some dark kind of potatoes you know the peelings'd be old red dark Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: peelings. They call them nig killers, that's what they used to call 'em. Sure did. And then they had some yam potatoes. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And let me see what else had some yams and nig killers they call 'em and Interviewer: Yam was a d- a special kind of sweet potato? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. Sweet potatoes and uh uh let's see there was another name or s- s- sweet potatoes but I just can't think of but them two, them we call the yams and the nig killers. Them what they call the nig killers they had dark skin you know peeling on 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But I ain't seed none of them in a long time. They got some yams and s- some other name but I can't think of it now. Interviewer: What other kinds of potatoes besides sweet potatoes? 464: Well I don't know no other kind but Irish potatoes. Interviewer: Okay. And um something that um well what different kinds of beans did you have? 464: Well we had English beans? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Uh we had snap beans and let's see Yankee beans. Pole beans. And uh English peas. {C: traffic} And uh butter beans. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What's a butter beans look like? 464: They're little old flat things. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They'd be about sometimes they'd have about three beans in 'em, sometime they don't have but two in 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Let me see {NS} think I got, I got one planted out here on the porch I think. {NW} Interviewer: Well you're don't you don't 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 have to get up. # 464: #1 I'll show it # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: to you so you know'll what I'm talking about. You wash and scrub 'em. Make up beds then and summer clothes for Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 for nothing. # 464: Then when the welfare went to paying her for somebody to go up there and help she went getting Rachel to help her. And she'd pay Rachel, well Rachel had to go to {D: hospital} and then she got my daughter-in-law over there to pay it to help. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And her so after Rachel come back she quit getting {X} and went to getting Rachel again. And I went up there one day, Jimmy was here, her step-son was here, I said Jimmy I say if you will uh ain't got nothing to do this evening would you run me up to Ms Course to see her? He say yessum grandma, I can carry you up there. So he carried me on up there and I went up there and we was sitting in the front, she was sitting in the front room. Her and Mr George {B} And Mr George was fixing to leave so she got up and went in her bedroom she say come here a minute Mr George so he went there and she gave him some money to get her something, I don't know what. She stayed in there and stayed in there, she didn't never come back in the house. I sat there and sat there {D: directly} I say Mr George told me when he went to leave he say Ms Sayer anytime you want to come up here and see Ms Coral if I ain't busy I'll bring you. I said okay. So her stepson had went down to his house. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: She say uh she's sitting there and sitting there {D: I saw they} {X} I said Ms Coral I says you laying down? No I ain't laying down, I'm sitting down. So I got up and went on down there, I told Jimmy I said Jimmy, I'm ready to go home. I ain't been back there since. Interviewer: She wouldn't see you? 464: Uh-uh. No she ain't as good as I'd been to her all of 'em can tell you that I'd I'd walk up there to her house and and scrub and clean off her stove and wash up all of her dishes and clean out her {D: say} for not nothing. And then when welfare went to giving them money to pay somebody to do her work up there she quit getting me and went to getting a woman off out here. Then when she went to the hospital, she had to go with her eyes. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then she went to getting my daughter-in-law to go up there. And then she got sh- when Rachel come back from the hospital she went to getting Rachel again. {NW} and uh so the other day she passed by here and I was sitting out there, I can't see too good and I was trying to look to see who it was. She got right out here and I was looking out that way. {NS} Turned the head and went looking away the other way. Interviewer: {NW} 464: I said old hellfire I said much as I've done for her now she won't even throw up a hand at me when she pass. Interviewer: {NW} 464: But I'd love for you to see her but I wouldn't carry you up there cause she might {D: end searching} me too. Interviewer: {NW} Sounds like {X} funny. 464: She sure is funny. {D: Funnier to us and} night, I told Fan and them yesterday evening last night, no this morning I say uh Fan said something about why don't you carry her up there and let her talk with Ms Coral, I said uh-uh. I say I'm scared she'll insult me and the girl too if I keep {D: her over there} {NW} and you hear what that girl said about if you going out to her house Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 didn't you? # 464: I don't believe in nothing like that. But I bet you her momma would be glad to talk with you. Interviewer: {NW} 464: I bet you she would. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Cause she like myself, she love to talk about old stuff too but these young folks, they don't think about not not all of 'em now cause you do but I'm talking about them two don't. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They believes in this fast time, now I love to get {D: the person} ask questions and talk about old things, it's back and I know her momma would too but I heared what she said, I was gonna tell you let's go out there but after I hear it what evening they said I said I better not go out there cause Eva May might insult both of us. Interviewer: {NW} 464: {NW} {NW} {D: ain't that the way} say if momma and grandma always teached us to teach treat people like we want to be treated, nobody nobody wanna be treated. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And so I try to treat folks that way to the best of my knowledge. But Eva May don't care who's feelings she hurt. Interviewer: #1 Well # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: if you're talking about the the butter beans um when you wanna get the beans outta the pod you s- you say you want to 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What do you 464: #1 See # Interviewer: #2 have # 464: you pick 'em off of them bushes like I showed you. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And then you take 'em and bust them hulls open Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 and # beans is in them hulls. Interviewer: You say you're you're hulling the beans then? Or 464: Uh-huh Interviewer: #1 {D: shelling them?} # 464: #2 yeah. # Yeah you shelling them. After you pick 'em off of them vines Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Then you shell 'em. Bust 'em open and shell 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And what what do you call the the kind of corn that's tender enough to eat off the cob? 464: Sweet corn? Interviewer: Okay. How do you cook that? 464: Well you can fry it or you can just put it in a pot and boil it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Or you can shave it off of them cobs. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And put it in a fryer and put you some butter in there and and let it steam and cook that way. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Do you ever call that roast 464: Say which? Interviewer: Did you ever call that anything besides sweet corn? 464: No I ain't never called it nothing besides sweet corn but they have some of this other kind, this old field corn I call it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I you can cut it off the cobs when it's tender but you have to get it while it's good and tender. Interviewer: Did you ever call that roast 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What's that? 464: Roast corn. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you ever hear roasting ears? 464: Oh yeah, uh-huh yeah we call it roasting ears. Interviewer: What what does that mean? 464: Well you gets the corn you shave it off cut it off pick the silks out from it Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 And then # cut it off like that with a knife and scrape it like that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And you can bag it up or you can put it in a fryer with some butter and steam it down and cook it that way. I likes it that way too. Interviewer: What do you call the the covering on the corn? 464: Shucks. Interviewer: And what about the thing that grows over the top of the cornstalk? 464: The tassels. Interviewer: Okay. And um this is something that's it's a little yellow crooked-necked vegetable. 464: Squashes? Interviewer: Okay. Are there different kinds of squashes? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah, there're two kind, there are some {D: growsed} next to 'em then there's some that's round squashes. Some of 'em be green, some of 'em be yellow. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What do you call that round one? 464: Well I call it the round yellow squash. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about something that's big that you make pie out of it at Thanksgiving? 464: Pumpkins. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And what kind of melons do you have? 464: Watermelons. Interviewer: Are there 464: #1 and and # Interviewer: #2 different kinds # 464: pie melons. Interviewer: What's a pie melon? 464: Simpson make pies out them too. Them pie melons is. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Are they hard to to bust open? Are they 464: #1 No # Interviewer: #2 the ones # 464: they ain't so hard. You'd had to take a knife though and cut 'em open. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What do they look like on the inside? 464: They are some of 'em's greens, some of 'em's kinda yellow looking. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {X} Interviewer: What different kinds of watermelons are there? 464: Well {D: there's} two kind I know of, I can think of the name, they uh now I can't think of the name of them old long ones but there's some of 'em there's uh guinea {D: Guinness} watermelons. Them little old bitty round ones. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. And some of 'em be those long ones like that. I don't know what they call them. Interviewer: What other kinds of melons are there besides watermelons? 464: Well Interviewer: Pie melons? 464: I don't know no kind I don't believe but watermelons pie melons. Interviewer: Did you ever hear mu- 464: Mullet. Interviewer: Mushmelon or 464: Oh yeah! Mushmelon yeah. {D: Made} mushmelons too. Interviewer: What's that like? 464: It's a little old {X} thing when it get's green at first but when it get ripe it turns yellow. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And you can cut it open. And then the seeds all inside and then you can peel it off and I always put salt on mine when I'd go to eat it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: It'd be kinda sweet and I'd put sprinkle salt on it. Interviewer: Is there another name for that? Mushmelon? 464: No. Unless there is I I don't think they're pie melons. Interviewer: Did you ever hear #1 cantal- # 464: #2 {X} # 464: cantaloupes. Uh-huh. Yeah cantaloupes. Interviewer: #1 Now what, what's that like # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} That's a little old ro- {NW} little old round something. Interviewer: #1 Okay # 464: #2 It's # greenish-looking. But you had to cut them and peel the peeling off of them just eat 'em put salt or whatever you want on 'em and eat 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And um the little umbrella-shaped thing that springs open in the woods or fields after it's been raining. 464: Mushmelons. Interviewer: Or not a 464: #1 No not # Interviewer: #2 a melon. # Interviewer: #1 It's # 464: #2 it's a # Interviewer: little umbrella-shaped thing. 464: Uh you don't eat 'em do you? I know a little old something that grows up in the field like that made up like an umbrella but I can't think of the name of it now. Interviewer: Did you ever hear mush- 464: Mushroom? Interviewer: Uh-huh. What's 464: Mushroom. Yeah that's {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 Uh-huh. # {NW} I know'd I couldn't but I just can't think of the name of all them little things. Interviewer: Is there something else kinda like that with a different name? 464: {NW} {NW} No. Not as I know of. Interviewer: What about um toadstool or frog bench or berry caps? 464: Mm-hmm. I have heared of them things and I reckon I've seed some but I done forgot about 'em. Interviewer: What what's that? 464: Uh Let's see s- mushrooms and I can't think of the name of them other things they call. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say if someone had a a real bad sore throat you'd say well he couldn't eat that piece of meat because it got stuck in his throat and he couldn't 464: Swallow it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And um what do people smoke made outta tobacco? {C: traffic} 464: Say what do they smoke? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They smokes tobacco Interviewer: #1 we- # 464: #2 uh # Interviewer: how how's the tobacco come? It's 464: S- s- made off of they makes it on the farm they tell me. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh pick it and then cure it and have it. Tobacco made out of it. Make twist tobacco out in it and smoking tobacco out in it and all other kinds say I don't know I ain't see'd that, I just heared that Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: What do you call the long white things that you smoke? 464: Cigarettes. Interviewer: Okay and the brown things? 464: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 That men # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: smoke. 464: What Interviewer: Well 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 there's # cigarettes and 464: #1 And # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: pipes. Interviewer: And 464: {NW} cigars. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if someone offered to do you a favor you might say well I appreciate it but I don't want to feel 464: Say which? Interviewer: Someone offered to do you a favor they might say well I appreciate it but I don't want to be what? You don't wanna 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 feel # like you owe that person some- 464: #1 Uh-uh. # Interviewer: #2 thing you say # 464: Sure I don't wanna feel like it I owe 'em something, I don't wanna do 'em, do more for me than I can for them. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 464: #2 I # sure don't. Interviewer: You say I don't wanna feel 464: S- bad over it. Interviewer: Okay. And someone um asked you if you were able to do something you'd say sure I do it. 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Sure I # 464: Mm-hmm. I can do it. Interviewer: And if you weren't able to you'd say well I'd like to but I just 464: Ain't able. Interviewer: Right you'd say they asked you can you do that you'd say no 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 I # 464: just ain't able to do it. Interviewer: #1 Or no I ca- # 464: #2 {X} # 464: Can't do it. Interviewer: Huh? 464: I said no I can't do it I just ain't Interviewer: #1 okay. # 464: #2 able. # Interviewer: And if it's something that you could do but you didn't want to you'd say well I could do it but I just 464: Don't want to. Or I tell 'em. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 Or they s- # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: They say will you do that? And you say no I 464: Can't do it. Interviewer: Or no I w- 464: Ain't able to do it. Interviewer: Or 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 no I wo- # 464: I won't do it. Interviewer: Huh? 464: No I won't do that. Interviewer: Okay. And um say if um if a boy got a whipping you'd say well I bet he did something he 464: Had no business doing. Interviewer: Or 464: Hadn't {D: got} no right to do. Interviewer: Or saying that that wasn't what he ought to do, you'd say I bet he did something he 464: Had no business of doing. Interviewer: Okay. But what about using the word ought? You say I bet he did something he 464: Ought not to do. Interviewer: Okay. And um talking about kinds of animals some the kind of bird that can see in the dark. 464: Uh-huh. I don't know what kind can see in the dark {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 Well you know it's # 464: Bird? Interviewer: Uh-huh. Some of 'em make this kind of scary noise. 464: Mm-hmm. That them old uh uh-uh. I can't call the name of 'em but I can hear 'em some nights around here hollering. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But I can't call the name of 'em now. Interviewer: Well the 464: #1 An old # Interviewer: #2 big ones. # 464: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Huh? 464: Old mockingbird he ought to could see any time {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: What what about the big ones that some of 'em can can um kill chickens even. 464: Hawks? Interviewer: Or they come out at night though. 464: Mm-hmm. {X} I don't know what kind them is. Interviewer: Well it 464: Sure don't. Interviewer: Something that um it makes a kinda scary noise maybe around a graveyard. 464: Yeah I don't know what that is either. Don't know the name of 'em. Interviewer: Well do you hear something called a hoot 464: Say which? Interviewer: It's something that hoots. {C: traffic} 464: Oh owl? Hooping owl? Interviewer: Huh? 464: Shivering owl? Interviewer: What's the shivering owl? 464: It's an old something, it hollers at night. Interviewer: Is it the little owl? 464: Uh-uh. No they pretty good size the owls. Interviewer: What different kinds of owls are there? 464: Well there an old hooping owl and then there an old shivering owl. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. But I don't know which one of 'em's the biggest now, that old hooping owl or the shivering owl. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But I do hate to hear them shivering owls holler at night. Interviewer: Why is that? 464: I hates to hear them shivering owls holler at night. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Why? # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {D: Just} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: Well some of 'em say it's just the idea you got but I know I I've hearing the older folks say whenever them things be hollering around your house at night you gonna lose one out of the family. Interviewer: Oh really? 464: And I know whenever I lived up there on the hill {D: what} the other night there was old old shivering owl would get out in that oak tree and holler. And it weren't I {D: mentioned to 'em} some of 'em say oh that ain't no sign, that's just old word. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Here and it weren't long before my one of my cousin's daughters died. And then another thing I hate to hear howling at night is a dog. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They say that ain't no sign but I believe in it. They say if you believe in it they'll follow you but I know before my brother died old dog would get right out there between my house and L-J's over here every night and he'd just howl, howl. I say now if I had me a gun I'd go out there and shoot that dog. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} some of 'em say oh that ain't no sign but it weren't long before my brother died. Interviewer: {NW} 464: Now I don't love to hear a dog {X} he died like this year and the next year my other brother passed. Old dog would howl around here. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} It might not be no sign but some of 'em say if you believe in it, it'll follow you and so {NW} I believes in it I reckon and it follows me. Interviewer: {NW} What do you call um the kind of bird that drills holes in trees? 464: Woodpecker. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Any other name for him? # 464: Mm not as I know of. That's all I ever heared is a woodpecker. Interviewer: What do you call the um the big one? 464: {D: Pecker.} This little quill? Interviewer: Well the #1 it's a # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: woodpecker only big. 464: #1 S- # Interviewer: #2 About the # 464: say which? Interviewer: It's a it's a big woodpecker about the size of a chicken. 464: Uh-huh. {D: Well} I don't know no other name. Interviewer: Well have you ever heard um that called a Lord God? 464: Uh-u- yeah I've heared folks talk about 'em but I ain't seed 'em, if I did I didn't know it. {NW} Interviewer: What what did you hear it called? 464: {NW} Lord God let me see now I did hear that too but I done forgot that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I done forgot what they said it was. Interviewer: Have you ever heard it called peckerwood? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah I sure have. Heared 'em call 'em peckerwoods but I had forgot Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 Have you ever # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: heard people called peckerwoods? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah I've heared 'em called peckerwoods. Interviewer: Have you ever heard a a someone called a person a peckerwood? 464: No I ain't heared that I don't believe. Uh-uh. No I ain't heared it. Interviewer: And what about a kind of black-and-white animal? It's got a real strong smell. 464: White-and-black animal? {NW} {NW} Let me see. I have heared it but I done forgot what {NW} what it is. Interviewer: Oh you know it it's a it's a black-and-white animal, it's got a real strong smell. 464: {NW} {X} a polecat? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} {NW} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 And # um say if um talking about the animals that could come and kill your chickens is there any one name that you could use to mean all of those kind of animals? 464: Mm-hmm. Well possums'll come and kill 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh foxes'll come and kill 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I know them two will. But I don't know none the rest of 'em. Interviewer: Well what would you call animals like that? 464: {NW} I don't know. Do you ever call 'em var- Varmints? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh, I call 'em varmints. Interviewer: What what do you mean by varmint? 464: I don't know I just give 'em that name, that was all. {NW} Didn't know why I called 'em varmints. I appreciate that. Catch up directly maybe. {NW} Interviewer: And uh {NS} a bushy-tailed animal that um climbs trees 464: Coons and possums. Interviewer: Or something smaller. 464: Squirrels. Interviewer: Okay. What kinds of squirrels are there? 464: Cat squirrels and fox squirrels. Interviewer: What's the difference? 464: Well some of 'em's larger than others. Interviewer: Wait which is 464: #1 The the # Interviewer: #2 larger? # 464: fox squirrel's larger than the cat squirrel. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about something that looks kinda like a squirrel only it can't climb trees? 464: Uh no they can climb a tree. I started to say a rat but a rat can climb a tree {NW} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {D: Oh let's see.} Interviewer: Did you ever heared of chipmunk or ground squirrel? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah I've heared tell of them. Interviewer: What's that? 464: Gr- ground squirrel if he's on the ground. Interviewer: What does he #1 look like? # 464: #2 {X} # 464: Well he looks like a squirrel but he ain't as large as a squirrel. Them I see'd one. Interviewer: Well what sort of fish do you get around here? 464: Well you gets mullan. Interviewer: Is that from the saltwater? Or 464: Mm-hmm. Mullen fish and uh {NW} catfish and let's see red snapper. {C: traffic} There's another kind that get out there, an old an eel, to get them out of the water too. Fish eels. Interviewer: What else do they get out of the Gulf besides um fish? 464: Well they gets uh turtles I reckon. Yeah. Loggerheads and soft-shelled turtles. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: What do you call the kind of turtle that can gets on land? 464: {D: Uh-huh.} I call them gophers. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 Those are the big # Interviewer: ones aren't they? 464: {NW} Uh-huh. Well sometime you find a a loggerhead out on the land but he be just coming out from the water and be crossing I reckon there people run up on him. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: But gophers they stays on land all the time. {D: Have them holes on} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Go down there. Interviewer: What about um the small thing that gets on land? 464: Turtles? Interviewer: Yeah but the small kinda turtle. 464: Cooters? Interviewer: Okay well what's a 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 cooter then? # 464: {NW} I don't know. {NW} A little old cooter all I know. {NW} I call 'em horseshoes, I don't know what they is. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 Them old # little bitty ones I call 'em horseshoe cooters. Interviewer: It's a little turtle that's on land? 464: Mm-hmm. {NW} Interviewer: Um what about um well s- something that they get from the Gulf though that comes in shells. 464: {NW} I know but I can't think of the name of that. Uh you eats it don't you? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 I know it # Interviewer: #2 What's that with # a pearl in it sometimes? 464: I know but I just can't call the name of it now. Uh can't call the name of them things. But I know what you're talking about I reckon. {X} Interviewer: {D: Say if something} oys- 464: Huh? Interviewer: Oys- 464: Oysters. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {X} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And what about something else that they get they take a net and drag a net out there? And it gets these, they're they're sort of whitish-pink. 464: {D: Let's see} Interviewer: And you boil 'em. 464: {D: see} {NS} Shrimp {C: buzzing} Interviewer: Okay. Say if you wanted some of those you might ask for two or three pounds of 464: Shrimp. Interviewer: And um this is something that um well say in a um in a stream or creek you might pick up a rock and find this under it, it's got a hard shell and claws on it? 464: {NW} Interviewer: Turtle? 464: Well someth- no it's Interviewer: #1 got claws # 464: #2 no it's # claws on it? Interviewer: You might find it on under a rock. And if you touch it it'd swim away backwards. 464: I don't know what that'd be. Sure don't. Interviewer: Did you ever hear craw- or 464: Crawfish? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Uh-huh. Yeah I remember now. Interviewer: And what might you hear making a 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 noise # around a 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 pond at # night? 464: {NW} Say what do you hear? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Making noise? Frogs? Interviewer: Okay what do you call those big ones? 464: Bullfrogs I call 'em {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. And those little ones? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Uh them little ones, let me I don't know what they call them. But I call them old big ones bullfrogs. Interviewer: Uh-huh. But what about the little ones that get up in the um trees and they're supposed to come out after a storm. 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: After it's been raining. 464: Mm I call 'em water frogs. Interviewer: Okay. Are those those little green ones that 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. Interviewer: What about the kind that um hops around and on land? 464: Well them tho- yard frogs I call 'em, I don't know the old dark-looking ones. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I call 'em yard frogs. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # I call 'em toadfrogs, that's what I call 'em but mostly be in the yard hopping around. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What about um say if you were gonna go fishing what might you dig up to go fishing with? 464: Say what did I dig up? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Earthworms and grubbers. Interviewer: Okay. What about little fish that you might use for bait? 464: Uh uh roaches. Interviewer: Or little fish though. 464: {X} little fish? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I called 'em ro- them little long ones like that? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I call 'em roaches, I don't know what they is Interviewer: It's it's a little fish that you get? 464: Uh-huh {X} you can catch some of them little old brims too sometime. Interviewer: Huh. 464: And fish with 'em. Interviewer: Um this is a a kind of insect that flies around a light and tries to fly into the light. 464: Candle fly? Candle- Interviewer: Okay. 464: flies. Mm-hmm. Or candle bugs or something, I Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 don't know. # Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: They bad about dipping around if you leave the door open here at night. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Dipping around the lights. {NW} Interviewer: What about something that uh gets in your wool clothes and eats holes in 'em? 464: Uh uh I know but I can't call them names now. {X} Know what that is but I just can't call the name of 'em. But I know one thing that'll eat clothes now and that's them old big I call 'em wood roaches. They'll sure eat your clothes cause they have eat some of mine. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} And I know the name of them other things that'll eat your clothes but I can't think of it. Interviewer: Well what do you put out to get rid of 'em? 464: Well Interviewer: Those white balls you know? 464: Mm-hmm. Uh mothballs. Interviewer: Okay well what do you call those things? 464: {NW} Interviewer: The insects? You call them mo- 464: Mo- mo- no Interviewer: Huh? 464: There's there's that old {D: moth} what is it? I can't think of 'em but I know the name of 'em but I can't think of 'em, I know you put mothballs out for 'em but I can't think of the name of those bugs. Interviewer: Well what about something that has a little light in it's tail? 464: Uh lightning bug I call 'em. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 And a # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: a little red thing that get some- on your s- 464: On your skin? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh uh red bug. Interviewer: Okay. What about something that bites you and makes you itch? 464: And what they don't stick on you? Interviewer: No something else that that bite 464: Fleas? Interviewer: Well 464: Flea? A flea? Interviewer: Something it flies around. It- 464: Oh skeeters? Interviewer: Okay. And what about something that's supposed to eat skeeters? 464: Eat skeeters. Old skeeter bugs I reckon, that's what I say {NW} Interviewer: #1 What does a skeeter bug look like? # 464: #2 {NW} # I see big old blu- bugs fly around, I say them skeeter bugs. Interviewer: What do they look like? 464: They looks like a they made up like a skeeter but they're bigger than a skeeter you know? Pretty good long things about like that. Interviewer: How many 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 wings # do they have? 464: I don't see but two. Interviewer: #1 What about something # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: that's got four wings? 464: See I don't know. Interviewer: Did you ever heared of skeeter hawk? Or 464: Oh yeah uh-huh, skeeter hawk. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is that the same thing as a skeeter bug? 464: That's what I call 'em, them old skeeter hawks I say that's what they is, I don't know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Is that that the same thing skeeter hawk and skeeter bug? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah. That's what I say, I don't know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What kinds of insects'll sting you? 464: Sting you? A a a honeybee and a yellow jacket. Interviewer: Where does a yellow jacket build a nest? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah they {X} and uh {D: wasps} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Them wasps will build 'em a little nest out of something and them old bees will build them a nest outta dirt- old dirt daubers will build them a nest out of dirt. Interviewer: Do dirt daubers sting you? 464: They say they will, there aren't none never stung me Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Where do yellow do yellow-jackets build their nest up or do they 464: Build it up in the house, up in corners of the house, porches and things. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What about something that builds a n- big old nest? 464: Well that's a hornet ain't it? Interviewer: Okay. And um something that hops around in the grass? 464: Grasshopper. Interviewer: Did you ever hear those called hopper grass? 464: Mm-hmm. I called 'em grasshopper but I heared 'em call 'em hopper grass too. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} I called 'em backwards I reckon. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: What about um say if you hadn't cleaned a room in a while up in the corner in the ceiling you might find a 464: Spiderwebs and spiders. Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 Dirt- # Interviewer: #2 What about # 464: dauber nests {D: you know?} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What do {C: speech distortion} what about something outside maybe across a bush that a spider built? 464: Spiderwebs I call. Interviewer: Okay. And um do you know what they call the kind of tree that you tap for syrup? 464: For syrup? Interviewer: Uh-huh. The kind of tree. 464: {D: Well honey} {X} {C: speech distortion} Interviewer: Tell me something about what different kinds of trees {NS} there are around here. {NS} 464: Well {C: tape distortion} they {C: tape distortion} pine trees and {C: tape distortion} oak trees and {C: tape distortion} dogwood trees and simmon trees. {C: tape distortion} Now let's see now what else {C: tape distortion} can I think of. {C: tape distortion} oaks and pines and simmons. And uh dogwoods and plum trees apple trees uh Interviewer: #1 What a- # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: what about a kind of tree that grows near the water? 464: {X} Interviewer: #1 It's got # 464: #2 let's s- # Interviewer: you can peel the bark off. 464: Let's see now. I done forgot what kind Interviewer: It's got little balls on it. 464: Little balls on it. Is it uh Interviewer: Do you know syc- 464: Say what? Interviewer: Syca- 464: Sycamore trees? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. {NS} Yeah and a they uh let's see there another kind of tree grows close by the water too but I just can't think of the name of it. {NS} Sure can't now. Interviewer: What about um a bush that it turns bright red in the fall? 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 It's got # berries on it. 464: Uh got little red berries on it? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Let me see. I know that but I can't think of it right now. Sure is. Interviewer: Do you have 464: #1 Ms Nanc- # Interviewer: #2 a tree or # 464: Ms Nancy got one down there in her yard, that thing sure be prettier when them little berries. come on it just as red {NW} Interviewer: Do you have something uh 464: I can't think Interviewer: #1 sumac? Or # 464: #2 of the name of it # Interviewer: sumac? 464: Say which? No it's uh Interviewer: Did you have a bush called that around here? 464: #1 what? # Interviewer: #2 S- # -umac? Or sumac? 464: No I ain't hear it tell of none of them around here. But I just can't think of the name of that tree. No gov- every time I set me out one it'll die I want some, they so pretty I want me wanted me one #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 464: every time I'd set out one it would die. {NW} Interviewer: What about flowering bushes? What 464: #1 flower- # Interviewer: #2 different # Interviewer: flowering bushes do you have? 464: There are rose bushes and ch- {D: cake jestners and} morning glories and Interviewer: Do you have something called um spoon wood or mountain laurel or 464: mm-mm Interviewer: #1 rhodo- # 464: #2 no. # Interviewer: -dendron? 464: No I don't have none of them, I ain't see'd none of 'em around Interviewer: #1 Uh- # 464: #2 here. # Interviewer: huh. 464: And uh blood drippers, I got one of them out here in the yard. {D: The} blood dripper flowers. {NW} And pinks. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And uh roses and lilies and violets and let's see can I think {D: in 'em} the rest of 'em now. Interviewer: What about a a tree that's got real shiny green leaves and it's got these big white flowers? 464: {NW} That's a uh crazy can't think of it. I know what you're talking about but I can't call the name of it right now. Uh Interviewer: Did you hear mag- 464: Uh Interviewer: cucumber tree? Or 464: No Interviewer: #1 magnolia? # 464: #2 it's uh # 464: it's a big old tree it grows and I know what you're talking about but I can't call the name of it. It's got great big old white blooms on it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {X} but I can't call the name of that tree now. Interviewer: Do you have something you call {D: cowcumber? Or} cucumber 464: #1 cucumbers? # Interviewer: #2 tree? # 464: They Interviewer: #1 {D: or} # 464: #2 vines. # Cucumbers {X} vines Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 grows down on the # ground. Interviewer: What about magnolia? 464: Magnolia? Interviewer: Do you have that around here? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah they grows around the edge of these branches and things. Magnolia tree do and uh I was trying to think of that name of that tree that got them big old blooms on it. Interviewer: What does a magnolia tree look like? 464: It's a little tree looks sorta like well it has blooms on it too. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: but {NS} it's got pretty good leaves on it, green leaves on it. {NW} Interviewer: And what kind of tree did George Washington cut down? 464: {NW} I sure don't know, you ask me something I don't know Interviewer: #1 okay. # 464: #2 about # {NW} Interviewer: #1 Um # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um talking about berries um those red berries that you can make shortcake out of? 464: Red berries? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Well they uh there are berries around here they call the they call 'em rabbit eyes, they pretty good size berries, {D: they} {X} blue. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: So blue until they look black and then there's some uh Interviewer: Are they good to eat? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah they good. And uh they call 'em they call 'em rabbit eyes but some of 'em call 'em blueberries and then there some little s- bitty berries Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 they # call 'em may berries. Got some of them trees around here. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 What about a # red berry? that you 464: Red Interviewer: buy at the store? 464: Oh that's a a I know what that is too but I can't think of it. Cause I had {NW} I just can't think of the name of 'em but I know what you're talking about. It's strawberries? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 And # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What about a a berry that um well some of 'em are red and some of 'em are black they got sort of a rough surface to 'em. 464: Rough surface to 'em? {D: Is that brawberries?} Interviewer: I was thinking of ra- 464: Rabbit eyes? Interviewer: Or ras- 464: Raspberry? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Raspberries {NW} Interviewer: Do you have those around here? 464: {X} there's some of 'em around here. {NW} {C: traffic} Interviewer: What kinds of um bushes or vines will um will make your skin break out if you touch 'em? 464: Let's see now I know that too but I can't think of it. Cause some of these children got into some of that here this year. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} but I can't think of the name of 'em. {NW} Interviewer: Do you do you know what I mean though? It it makes your skin 464: Mm-hmm itch and Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Ruffled up I call it and bump up or something Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} but I can't think of the name of 'em now. But there's some of that around here too cause I hear them children talking about they got into some of it here this year. Make it up like they have the rash or something. Interviewer: Yeah. {C: traffic} 464: But I can't think of the name of 'em. Interviewer: Say if you saw some berries and you didn't know what kind they were you might tell someone you better not eat those, they might be 464: Poison. Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Have you ever # heard of a a bush or a vine called poison 464: Ivy? Interviewer: Huh? 464: P- I have heard tell of a poison ivy bush. Interviewer: What does that look like? Do you know? 464: I don't know, I ain't see'd it, I just heard 'em talking about it {NW} No I ain't see'd that. {NS} Interviewer: And say if a married woman didn't want to make up her own mind about something she'd say I have to ask 464: A married woman? Interviewer: Yeah she'd say I have to ask 464: My husband. Interviewer: Okay. And he would say I have to ask 464: uh #1 he # Interviewer: #2 ta- # 464: he would say that? Interviewer: Talking about her he'd say I have to ask 464: My wife. Interviewer: Any joking ways they'd refer to each other? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Any joking ways they would refer to each other? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah but I don't know. I know what I'd say Interviewer: What would 464: #1 if it was me # Interviewer: #2 you # 464: I tell you if you're grown you can suit yourself {NW} Interviewer: #1 What? # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # I'd tell him you was grown you can suit yourself, I don't know why Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} lordy. Interviewer: And a woman whose husband is dead is called a 464: The woman? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: A widow. Interviewer: And um the man whose child you are is called your 464: Say which? Interviewer: The man whose child you are is called your 464: Daddy. Interviewer: Or a- any other names for him? 464: Father. My daddy or father or my Interviewer: And his wife is your 464: Mother. Interviewer: And together they're your 464: Mother and father. Interviewer: Or your 464: Huh? Say what? Interviewer: You- your mother and father are called your 464: Parents. Interviewer: Okay. What did you call your mother and father? 464: Say what did I call 'em? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Called 'em mother and father. Daddy. Interviewer: Okay. And your father's father is called your 464: Granddaddy. Interviewer: And his wife would be your 464: Grandmother. Interviewer: What did you call them? 464: Hmm? Interviewer: What did you call them? 464: Grandmother and granddaddy. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um something on wheels that you can put a baby in and it'll lie down. 464: Wheels you can put a baby in? Interviewer: #1 Something # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: something on wheels you can 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 put a baby # in it. 464: A baby bed? Carriage? Interviewer: Okay. The and you say you'd put the baby in a carriage and then you'd go out and what 464: #1 roll him # Interviewer: #2 the baby? # 464: out? Interviewer: Huh? 464: Roll him. Interviewer: Okay. And if a woman was going to have a child you'd say that she's 464: Pregnant. Interviewer: Okay. Did they used to use that word much? Did 464: #1 No # Interviewer: #2 people # 464: they didn't use it much long when I was coming up, they'd say they was big, that's what {D: they'd say} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Did that does that kind of sort of um 464: {NW} Interviewer: bad to use to say now? 464: Mm-hmm. {X} Yeah it sounded sort of bad but to me but I was and then got so used to it until I reckon it come natural to me but it sounds bad now. Interviewer: Um and if you didn't have a doctor to deliver the baby you'd get a 464: Midwife. Interviewer: Okay. Is that what they always used to call her? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's what they called 'em, midwives. Interviewer: And um say if a boy has the same color hair and eyes that his father has and the same shaped nose you'd say that he 464: Was like his daddy. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Say he was just like his daddy. Interviewer: Okay. What'd be any other way of saying that? 464: Hmm? Interviewer: Any other way of saying that? 464: Mm no not as I know of now. I can't think right now. But that's all we ever used was just like his daddy or just like his mother or Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 whatever # they was. {NW} Interviewer: #1 What if he has # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: he has the same behavior you'd say that he 464: That his daddy had? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {X} Well let's see, we got he- that's what I'd say. He got ways like his daddy. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um if a child was misbehaving you might tell 'em if you did that again you're gonna get a 464: Whooping. Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Any other words? # 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 Anything else # 464: #2 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: you could tell him? 464: {NW} {D: Mm I don't know how to say that} And I'll whoop you and that's what I used to say and I'll tell your daddy and let him whoop you. Interviewer: {NW} 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And a child that's born to a woman that's not married you'd call the child a 464: Well I tell you what they used to call 'em. Call 'em bastards. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 Anything else? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} No not as I know of now, I can't think of it right now. Interviewer: Did you 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 ever hear # 464: but I know they used to call 'em bastards whenever they had children and weren't married to the man. Interviewer: Did you ever hear woods- 464: Uh Interviewer: Woods colt? Or 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 woods child? # 464: #2 Yeah # yeah I've heard that, woods- {C: traffic} wood colts. Wood colts. Colts something. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Let's see what 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 And um # Interviewer: your brother's son would be called your 464: My brother's son? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: What would I be {D: telling you} talking about? Interviewer: Well what would he be to you? He'd be your 464: Niece or nephew, one some of them. One of them things Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And a child that's lost both parents would be called a 464: o- o- uh motherless and fatherless child. #1 Orphan. # Interviewer: #2 Or they # Interviewer: Huh? 464: Orphan. Interviewer: Okay. And um a person who's supposed to look after him would be called his 464: I can't call that, I know it. Interviewer: #1 His # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 legal # 464: #2 guard- # 464: Mm-hmm. I call 'em his guard mother. Interviewer: Okay. {C: car horn} {C: traffic} What about his legal guard- {C: traffic} 464: Father? Interviewer: Yeah. You know guardian or gua- 464: guardian, uh-huh. Yeah Interviewer: Huh? 464: Uh-huh, it'd be guardian. Interviewer: Okay. And um {NS} if you have a lot of cousins and nieces and nephews around you'd say this town is full of my nieces and cousins and nephews and Would 464: or c- {NW} {D: my} cousin's brothers. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Or you say all those are my 464: Related. Interviewer: #1 Huh? # 464: #2 Relation # my re- {D: my lation- ration or lation or whatever you call it} Interviewer: #1 Oh is that the word you'd # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: use? 464: Uh-huh. {NW} Interviewer: Would you ever say just kin? 464: Yeah some of the yeah, I'll say that too {X} the other day I said everything in Campton is kinfolks. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Yes. Everything right round in here is kinfolks and a lots of them in Camp- in Crestview's kinfolks. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah, all related right around here. Interviewer: Or you might say um well she has the same family name and she looks a little bit like me 464: {NW} Interviewer: But actually we're no 464: Related? Interviewer: Or we're no what to each other? 464: No kin? Interviewer: Okay. And somebody who comes into town and nobody's ever seen him before you'd call him a 464: I'd call him a stranger. Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 What if he came from a different # country? 464: I don't know. I don't know what to put that to Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um a woman who conduct school is called a 464: Conducts school? Interviewer: Yeah, she's a 464: Teacher. Interviewer: Okay. And these are some names um 464: {NW} Interviewer: the name that the mother of Jesus 464: Say which? Interviewer: The name of the mother of Jesus. 464: Well I don't know I can't answer that question either {NW} Interviewer: Um well you know it starts what's a what are some common names for girls? 464: Girls? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Ladies I reckon. Interviewer: Well I mean 464: #1 {D: but uh} # Interviewer: #2 what # 464: uh Interviewer: what name do are girls given? What are some names of some of the 464: What their daughters? Interviewer: Well I mean just um um or what some name of of some of your um your sisters? 464: Say what is their name? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {X} natural name Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 464: #2 {D: right now?} # 464: Oh. My sister's name Etha Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What are some other names that girls or given? 464: Oh well some of 'em's named Catherine and some of 'em's named Mary and some Edder first one thing {D: then I can't all of 'em} I got a auntie named Edder. She stay down south. {X} I got, all of 'em's dead but one. Interviewer: What about um do you remember the song wait 'til the sun shines 464: Wait 'til the sun shines? Interviewer: Remember the name in that? 464: Uh-uh. No I can't remember that. Sure can't. Interviewer: Do you remember what um in the New Testament. The first book in the New Testament? 464: Uh-uh. Oh honey, I don't know nothing about no testaments and books and things Interviewer: #1 well # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: you remember it it goes something, Mark, Luke and John? 464: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Ma- 464: I'll hearing 'em talk about it but I can't read and I ain't read nothing about that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Sure can't. Interviewer: What about um Do you remember what a male goat is called? 464: Say which? Interviewer: What a male goat is called. 464: Uh-uh. They call him a he-goat. Interviewer: Or it 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 starts with a B # a bill- 464: A billy. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Billy goat. Interviewer: And um you remember what they called a barrel-maker? 464: Barrel maker? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: No I don't remember that. Interviewer: Or do you know the name Cooper or Cooper? 464: Cooper? Interviewer: Yeah. What would you call a married woman who had that name? 464: What would I call a married woman? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Well I'd say she was a married woman Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 464: #2 and # her husband Interviewer: her husband'd be mister, she'd be 464: Mrs Interviewer: What? 464: Whatever her name Mrs whatever his name was {D: um} {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um well if her last name was Cooper or Cooper 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 she'd be # 464: #2 Well she'd # Miss Cooper Interviewer: Okay. And um a preacher that's not very well trained and just sort of preaches here and there is not very good at preaching 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 What would you # call him? 464: Well I don't hardly know what I'd call him, just a {NW} I don't know what to call him. {NW} Interviewer: Well have you ever heard um yard axe? Or shade tree? Or jackleg preacher? 464: Mm-hmm. Oh yeah. {X} I'd call him a jackleg preacher. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: #1 How # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 what does # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: jackleg mean? 464: {NW} well I reckon it means he just ain't much of a true preacher. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {D: just} # 464: go around here and yonder and preach wherever they'll let him preach {X} that's what I'd figure. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 What uh other things # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: besides preachers would you call jackleg? 464: Uh I don't know. So many things to call I don't I don't know what we'd call {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um a boy named Bill, his full name would be 464: Say what? Interviewer: If a boy is named Bill his full name would be 464: Bill? Bill Russell I reckon or Bill McGloctin or something, I don't know Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 what. # {NW} Interviewer: Um 464: {NW} Interviewer: Do you remember what Kennedy's first name was? 464: Mm-mm. I sure don't. Interviewer: Um and what relation would my mother's sister be to me? 464: Your mother's sister? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Be your auntie. Interviewer: Okay. And um what's the highest rank in the army? 464: What? The highest {NW} let's see now, I have heard that too but I done forgot it, I can't think of it {NW} Interviewer: #1 Well do you # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 do you know # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: what any of the the ranks are? 464: Uh-uh. I sure don't. Interviewer: So there could be a gen- 464: {NW} {D: let's see} I've heard all of 'em ranks in the army but I just can't think of 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Sure can't. Interviewer: Um you remember you know that um Kentucky Fried Chicken? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 Do Mm-hmm you know # 464: #2 Yeah # I've heard 'em talk about Kentucky {NW} Fried Chicken. {NW} Interviewer: Do you know what um what the name of that man is? His last name's Sanders. He's #1 called col- # 464: #2 s- # {D: Kirk} Sanders? Interviewer: Okay. And what do they call a man in charge of a ship? 464: A ship. {X} I don't know. Interviewer: He's called a ca- 464: Captain. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um a person who presides over the court he's called the 464: Lawyer? Interviewer: Or 464: #1 you say # Interviewer: #2 The # 464: the uh {X} the judge? Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And a 464: #1 I # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: have to think and study, I know them things but see I forgets about it and I have to study over it. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: {NW} Interviewer: The the person who person who goes to school is called a 464: The person that goes to school? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: That's the uh students. Interviewer: Okay. And a woman who works in an office and does the typing and everything, she's called the 464: {NW} uh uh let's see. Interviewer: A sec- {C: traffic} 464: Secretary. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And you'd say a a man on the stage would be an actor, a woman would be a 464: Say which? Interviewer: A man on the stage would be an actor. A woman would be a 464: Uh can't think of that neither now. Sure can't. Interviewer: Or say if um if you were born in the United States then you say that you're a what? 464: United State girl I reckon. Interviewer: Huh? 464: {NW} I'd say {NS} if they be born in the United State that'd just be a United State person I reckon. Interviewer: #1 Well there's # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: another name for that. You say you're not a Canadian, you're a 464: {NW} Interviewer: You're an Am- 464: You have to tell me them things, {X} some of 'em I just can't understand them. {NW} Interviewer: Well say um you might say um I'm glad I'm an 464: Say which? Interviewer: You might say I'm I'm glad that I'm a what? 464: {NW} uh living in this state I reckon Interviewer: Yeah you say I don't want to be a German #1 or # 464: #2 {NW} # no I don't wanna be no German, I wanna be a state that I was born Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 here. # {NW} Interviewer: #1 You'd say that # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: you're an Amer- 464: An American. Interviewer: Huh? 464: An American. Interviewer: Yeah you say that that you're then a you live in America so you're an Ame- 464: American. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And what do you call people of your race? 464: Say what do I call 'em? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Call 'em colored peoples. Interviewer: Okay. Any other #1 names # 464: #2 Or I guess # Interviewer: Huh? 464: Well some of 'em calls 'em niggers and some calls 'em darkies and s- {NW} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # I just says I was a nigger. {NW} Interviewer: How how do you feel about these different words? 464: Well I don't know, I don't feel well to tell you I don't feel bad none of them words they call me cause I know what I is. How I tries to be. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And so whatever they call me it don't hurt me. Interviewer: What's 464: Cause I know how I'm trying to lives. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: don't hurt me, I know what I is. I try to treat people like I want to be treated and everybody know how they want to be treated Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: so it don't hurt me no way they call me cause I know what I am. Interviewer: Are there any words that that make you mad if someone would 464: Uh- Interviewer: #1 call # 464: #2 uh. # Interviewer: or or not you but but other colored people or what what words are there that that are supposed to be insulting? 464: {NW} {NW} Well some of 'em it makes 'em mad for 'em to say negro but it don't me. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} no {NW} don't make me mad for ems to call me a negro or colored or black or whatever they want to, it don't hurt me. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Sure don't. Mm-mm. {X} I say the Lord know and I know it so that's enough I think. Interviewer: What would you call somebody in my race? {NW} 464: I'd call 'em white folks. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 what um # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: what insulting words are there for whites? 464: Crackers I reckon. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 And # hoosiers. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Crackers and hoosiers I reckon. Interviewer: What does hoosier mean? 464: It means white folks, I've hearing folks call white folks hoosiers. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 any other words like # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: that? 464: {NW} No not as I can remember now, I've hearing 'em call 'em crackers and hoosiers. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And {X} hillbillies. I've hearing 'em call 'em that too. Interviewer: Does that mean just any white person? Or 464: Mm-hmm. I reckon that's what they mean, I don't know. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 I just # hear them say that now I never did ask them what they meant about it. {NW} Interviewer: Uh-huh. {NW} 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 What about um # 464: {NW} Interviewer: white people that aren't very well off? You know that well they they don't have any money, they don't but they don't care you know? They don't 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 work # and 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 what # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: would you call them? 464: Well I've hearing folks call 'em poor hoosiers, I don't know Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} lordy. Interviewer: What about um someone who lives way out in the country and who doesn't come into town much and when he does get into town, everybody notices him? 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 Cause he # he really looks like he's from way out in 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 the country. # 464: They call 'em old hillbillies. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And what would you call a a child that um one parent is black and the other parent's white? 464: Well I don't know what I'd call 'em mixed-blood is all I know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 What do you call a # Interviewer: a real light-skinned negro? 464: Well oh well we always called 'em a yellow nigger. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: A yellow nigger, that's what we called 'em {NW} {NW} lordy. Interviewer: What about bright you said the woman in here the other day was bright. You mean does that mean the same as yellow? 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about real a real dark-skinned 464: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 person? # 464: it's it's a black nigger all I know. {NW} Interviewer: #1 The word # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: you use the word nigger. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Is that # 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 that doesn't insult you? # 464: #1 It don't # Interviewer: #2 Well it's # 464: it don't me but it do some of 'em now, {X} they'd call colored folks a dark colored person. But some of 'em call 'em black niggers and all such as that but Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I don't know. I don't know what to call them, I just say it's a dark person all I know Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 464: #2 # Interviewer: And um say if someone was waiting for you to get ready and they ask um if you'd be ready soon you might say well I'll be with you in 464: A few minutes. Interviewer: Or in ju- 464: Just a little while. Interviewer: Okay. And um uh this say if um if I say well I'm not gonna do such-and-such a thing and and you agree with me you say well I'm not gonna do that 464: Either. Interviewer: Okay. And um this part of my head is called my 464: Forehead. Interviewer: Okay. And this is my 464: Hair. Interviewer: And on a man hair here would be a 464: Beards. Interviewer: And um this is my 464: Ear. Interviewer: Which one? 464: Your left one. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Your left ear. Interviewer: Okay and this is my 464: Right ear. Interviewer: And this is my 464: Mouth. Interviewer: And this 464: This is your neck Interviewer: #1 and this # 464: #2 throat. # Interviewer: huh? 464: Uh that's your neck. And that's your throat under there. Interviewer: #1 Okay. Is there # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: another name for throat? 464: {NW} No no name but what I give 'em, I give 'em goozles them up under there {NW} Interviewer: #1 What is {D: sc-} goozle? # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # That thing right up under there, next to your pallet of your tongue I calls it the goozle. Interviewer: The thing that moves up and down? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 That # 464: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: The Adam's apple thing? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Okay. 464: That's what I call 'em now, I don't know what {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And this is my 464: Teeth. Interviewer: Or just one 464: Mm-hmm. That's one Interviewer: One what? 464: That's one tooth. Interviewer: And several 464: Several of those in there. Interviewer: Several what? 464: Teeth. Interviewer: And these are the 464: Gums. Interviewer: And this is my 464: {NW} hand. Interviewer: And two 464: Two hands. Interviewer: And this is the 464: Palm of your hand. Interviewer: And this is one 464: Fist. Interviewer: Two 464: Fists. Two fists. Interviewer: And um a place where the bones come together 464: Say which? Interviewer: A place where the bones come together. 464: {X} {D: well I} around down in here? Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: You call that a 464: Your knuckles I do. Interviewer: Or just any place 464: #1 Uh-huh, I # Interviewer: #2 where the bones come # 464: s- well that's I call that your kneecap. Interviewer: Uh-huh 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um say if people get old they complain they're getting stiff in their 464: Joints. Interviewer: Okay. And on a man this part of his body is the 464: His chest. Interviewer: And these are the 464: Shoulders. Interviewer: And this is the 464: Thighs and knees. And legs. Interviewer: And this is one 464: It's foot. Interviewer: Two? 464: Two foots. Interviewer: And um this bone right here 464: {NW} that one right here? Interviewer: This sensitive bone here 464: I call that my shankbone, I don't know Interviewer: #1 {D: Okay} # 464: #2 {D: what it} # is. Interviewer: Um 464: {NW} They hurts enough for me to know what they is Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 what # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: what do you call this back part here? 464: That's your thigh, back Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: back thigh I call it. Interviewer: Okay. What if I get down in this position? You say I {C: traffic} 464: Squatting. Interviewer: Okay. Any other expression for that? 464: Uh-uh. Not I don't know. Interviewer: Did you ever hear hunker? 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah I've heard it, hunker. Sure have {X} {NW} Interviewer: Did you ever hear this called your hunkers or your haunches or 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah I've heard it. {NW} Way on back up there, I call it the pawns. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {C: traffic} {NW} Interviewer: #1 And um # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Say if someone had been sick for a while you'd say well he's up and about now but he still looks a bit 464: Bad. Interviewer: #1 Anything else # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 you'd say about him? # 464: #2 Uh-huh # yeah he looks I don't know what you could say about him. Interviewer: Do you say peaked or puny? 464: #1 Ah # Interviewer: #2 Or # 464: yeah. Puny. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {X} Interviewer: And someone who's in real good shape you might say he's big and 464: Healthy-looking. Interviewer: Or he's he can lift heavy things you'd 464: #1 Uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 say he's # big and 464: strong. Interviewer: Okay. Any other words? 464: {NW} No I don't can't think of nothing else right now. Interviewer: What about the word stout? 464: Oh yeah. Yeah stout. Interviewer: What does that mean? 464: Big old healthy stout-looking something. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: Does it just mean he's strong? Or does it mean he's sort of overweight or what? 464: Well now sometime they be overweight and sometime he says strong. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} {D: you know that} my brother what was here a while ago now he's a big old healthy strong-looking something but there ain't nothing to him. He ain't no got no strength to him. Interviewer: He's been pretty sick, hasn't he? 464: Mm-hmm. He been in the hospital a while. They was to put him back in there today but he said that he they told him to come back next week. {X} Interviewer: Someone who's who's real easy to get along with you know is always smiling and everything 464: Mm- Interviewer: #1 If what would # 464: #2 -hmm. # Interviewer: you say about them? 464: I'd say they was kind and lovely. Interviewer: Okay. And what about someone like maybe a a teenage boy who just seems to be all arms and legs? 464: {D: yeah} I don't know {X} I'd say just outgrow his strength I reckon Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: #1 What about # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: who's always just 464: {NW} Interviewer: stumbling over things and dropping things? You'd say that he's 464: I'd say he was just {D: fumblified} that's what I'd say. Interviewer: {NW} Okay. And um a person that just keeps on doing things that don't make any sense you'd say that person's just a plain 464: Crazy. {NS} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 Fool # I'd call him. {NW} Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 And someone who # has a lot of money but never spends any money you'd say he's a 464: nit I'd call him. Stingy. {NW} Interviewer: He's knit? 464: {NW} that's what I'd call him, a nit. {NW} Interviewer: What do you mean nit? 464: {NW} {X} stingy. If he won't spend got money and won't spend it I call 'em nits, now that's stingy. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {D: Yeah} Interviewer: Um and say an old person that still gets around real well and doesn't um show his age, you'd say that he's mighty 464: It's blessed. He's #1 well- # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: blessed. Interviewer: Would you say something like he's spry or 464: Mm-hmm. Yeah he's spry. Sure would. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 I've seen # a lots of 'em old folks, I say well they old but they sure is spry. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And a child might say well I'm not gonna go upstairs in the dark, I'm {C: traffic} 464: Don't have a light? Interviewer: Or I'm too 464: Not going upstairs in the dark. Interviewer: Because I'm 464: I'm too scared. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And um say um if your children were out later than usual you'd say well I don't guess there's anything wrong but still I can't help feeling a little 464: Worried about 'em. Interviewer: Or a little 464: Worried about 'em. Interviewer: Or you you say you wouldn't feel easy, you'd say you felt 464: I I I'd always say I feel worried about 'em, sometime I say uneasy about 'em. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. {NW} Interviewer: And you say well it's gonna be alright, just don't 464: {NW} {NW} worry about it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And when you say that a person is common what does that mean? 464: Say which? Interviewer: When you say that a person is common 464: Common? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Well I just the one I's call common is just old somebody that don't try to put on airs and Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Be more than what they is. {NW} Interviewer: #1 So it's it's # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: good to be called common? 464: Yeah I think it is. Interviewer: Okay. And um {NS} 464: Common council. Interviewer: Huh? 464: I said they're common council. {NW} Interviewer: #1 What's that? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} my daughter, I said they common council but I call it council be crippling her leg. {C: door creaks} Interviewer: Hi. 464: Hey. {NS} Get you a seat. Aux: You getting the mail? {NS} 464: Ain't nobody brought me none. Aux: Well I don't know who went to the box. 464: Uh I sure don't. Nobody may not be went there {X} no they got them babies over there and {X} been there uh Bernise, it ain't at home Aux: {X} 464: #1 so I be # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: think about them in my mailroom.} 464: Say Bernise? What? Say y'all Aux: #1 {X} # 464: #2 was # Aux: Ms Emmitt's in the mailroom. 464: Oh. Aux: #1 Yeah just come # 464: #2 Well # Aux: over there and pick {X} {NW} He may live. He said he he had to see {D: it is then} 464: George cured him but Aux: #1 {X} # 464: #2 he brought him back # Aux: {D: Ms Emmitt} said she's sent Mr George. 464: Mm-hmm. Aux: He got up there talking {D: his can off} {C: traffic} 464: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {X} # {NW} 464: He sure was glad of it too I know cause had me to open and unload his suitcase. Leave his things here. Aux: #1 Well I didn't let him # 464: #2 {NW} # Aux: stay in that. 464: He said it was {D: Anima's} suitcase Aux: #1 Anima. # 464: #2 said he was gonna # Aux: {X} 464: he was gonna get it back to her but he had me to unload it. Aux: {X} I don't know when he gone down there 464: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {X} # {X} {NS} but I know it ain't 464: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 gonna be nothing but bills. # 464: Okay- so you done got to working I reckon? Aux: Hoo I was doing that to come over. I got to it at nine-thirty. 464: Mm- Aux: #1 And I couldn't # 464: #2 hmm. # Aux: {X} {D: changed those three to the bed} 464: {NW} Aux: My old floor with a damp mop, that was all she wanted. 464: I don't see why she have to have it cleaned every Aux: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 week. # No honey, ain't nobody there but Aux: #1 {X} # 464: #2 her. # Aux: #1 {X} # 464: #2 And she don't # be there only at night Aux: {X} They don't, she don't have no circle? {D: Church Circle} talking the other night. 464: Oh. Aux: Yeah I mean. I wanna ask you something. I said what is it? She said you satisfied working here? I said if I wouldn't have been I wouldn't be working 464: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # 464: Oh lordy. Aux: {D: Do you want me to get the paper?} 464: Huh? Interviewer: She says {NS} Aux: do you want me to bring you the paper? {X} {NS} 464: Okay. Interviewer: #1 Someone # 464: #2 It's a # {D: door one} I expect. Interviewer: Huh? 464: I told her she's bringing me some mail {D: to this here door} and I expect {C: speech outside} If I don't get something done for my eyes they gonna be done. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: Someone um who leaves a lot of money on the table and then goes outside and doesn't even lock the door you'd say he's mighty what with his money? 464: Careless I'd call it. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} And someone who's real sure of himself and you can't argue with him, he won't change his mind once he's got his mind made up. 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 You'd say that # he's mighty 464: {NW} {C: knock on door} Come on in! {C: knock on door} Come on in! {NS} Study about that. Aux: Good Interviewer: #1 Hey. # Aux: #2 morning. # 464: Lay 'em in there {NS} {NW} Interviewer: Would say he's stubborn or {D: sod} or 464: #1 Uh- # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # 464: #1 yeah. # Interviewer: #2 hard-headed? # 464: I'd say he was stubborn and hard-headed. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um someone that {NS} 464: Excuse me just a minute. Uh- you ain't been the mailbox is you? Aux: {NW} No I'm {X} want me to check? 464: Yeah. If you don't mind it. {NS} Interviewer: Someone that you can't joke with without him losing his temper. You'd say he's mighty {NS} 464: Mean I'd say, and ill. Interviewer: Or someone that {NS} maybe if there's one subject that you can't talk about in front of him is 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 He # Interviewer: you say um well don't tease him about that, he's 464: Uh-huh. Too y- I'd say too easy to make mad. {NS} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 You say he's # 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {D: tuches} or # 464: uh- Interviewer: #1 {D: retful or} # 464: #2 huh. # Uh-huh. Sure I say just I'd say he was just mean as a devil, that's what I'd say {NW} Interviewer: #1 You say well # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: I was just kidding him, I didn't know he'd get so 464: Mad and Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 uh up- # set and uh Interviewer: And someone who's who's about to lose their temper you might tell 'em now just keep 464: Quiet. Interviewer: Or keep 464: Your temper down. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {D: a while} # Interviewer: And um you say well there's nothing really wrong with Aunt Lizzy but sometimes she acts kind of 464: Funny and {X} {NS} queer, something or Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 another. # Upset or something. {NW} Interviewer: What do you mean she acts kind of queer? 464: Uh-huh. Well you {X} know if you can't get along with her {D: why} Aux: {X} 464: That's what I'd say, she'd act queer. Aux: Uh-huh. Say if you'd been working very hard, you'd say that you were very 464: Tired. Interviewer: Anything else you'd say? 464: {NW} I'd say tired and wore-out. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And say if someone had been well and all of a sudden you hear they've got a disease you might ask well when was it that they 464: {X} {D: had it} I'd say it was a stroke or something like that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 You say d- # 464: #2 a heart # attack one. Interviewer: Well he was looking fine yesterday. When was 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 it that he # Interviewer: got sick? {NW} When was it that he 464: Taken sick. Interviewer: Okay. And say someone went outside in in bad weather and came in with sneezing and everything y- you'd say that he 464: Taken a cold. Interviewer: Okay. And if he couldn't talk right you'd say that he was 464: Hoarse I call it. {NW} Interviewer: {NW} and if you go like that you'd say you have a 464: Cough. Interviewer: And if you can't hear anything at all you say that you're 464: Deaf. Interviewer: And um say if a man had been out working in the sun and he takes off his shirt and it's all wet he'd say look how much I 464: Sweated. Interviewer: And a sore that comes to a head. you'd call a 464: Say what? Interviewer: A sore you have that comes to a head. 464: We call it risings. Interviewer: Anything else? 464: {NW} Cap balls and risings what I call 'em. Interviewer: What's a cap ball? 464: {NW} it's a little old something, come up on you and come to a head be a Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 little # white {C: traffic} spot in the middle of it. Be swolled up in a little white spot. Interviewer: What's um what do you call the stuff that drains out when it opens? 464: {NS} Uh I call it corruptions, I don't know what what it Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 is. # 464: {NW} Interviewer: What about um when you open a blister? 464: Well I- just a clear blister? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I say water runs out of it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And um you say a bee stung me and my hand 464: Swolled up. Interviewer: And you say it's still pretty badly 464: Swole. Interviewer: And you say if a bee stings you your hand will 464: Swell up. Interviewer: And if someone got shot or stabbed you'd say you have to get the doctor to look at the 464: A wound. Interviewer: And um if a wound doesn't heal back right you know and it's got to be cut out or burned out 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You'd what do you call that? 464: Operated, I call it operation. Interviewer: Well have you ever heard that called some kind of flesh? 464: Say what? Interviewer: Some kind of flesh? When it 464: {NW} Interviewer: it grows it doesn't grow back right, a wound doesn't. 464: Mm-mm. I I don't know what to call that now. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of proud flesh? Or 464: Yeah. Sure have, proud flesh. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Sure have heard of that now. Interviewer: And um say if you had a little cut on your finger what might you put on it to brown medicine that stings? 464: Uh {NS} brown medicine that stings? I alwa- always put alcohol on mine when I had a cut place like that. {NW} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Well # what about that that brown medicine that stings a lot? {C: traffic} 464: I can't remember about that. {NS} Interviewer: Do you call that i- {NS} 464: Iodine? Id- i- something Interviewer: Huh? 464: {D: Is it iodine? Ioder? Or something or another} {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NS} Some of them things I can't call plain. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. {C: door creaking} {NS} Aux #2: {X} 464: O- Aux #2: #1 They ain't # 464: #2 kay. # Aux #2: #1 at home. # 464: #2 They ain't # at home? Aux #2: Uh-uh. Uh you still got um {D: flashlight?} flashlight? 464: Mm-hmm. Aux #2: Kevin want to borrow it, {X} for the house, I told 464: #1 No # Aux #2: #2 him # 464: you tell him I said Aux #2: #1 I told him. # 464: #2 {X} # you ought to bring it back cause some folks don't brink back nothing Aux #2: I told him. 464: There it is in that Aux #2: #1 {D: don't carry} # 464: #2 {D: pile} # Aux #2: nothing with me cause he just as scared of {D: Calvin as uh} 464: No bes- Aux #2: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {X} # Aux #2: {X} {NS} 464: {NW} Junior. Aux #2: What did you say? 464: Behind that picture sitting up there. On the shelfs. You find it? {C: traffic} Aux #2: {X} 464: {NW} {NS} Aux #2: {D: No that he's about to run her crazy there} 464: #1 He's scared of her too. # Aux: #2 {X} # 464: {NW} Aux #2: Huh. 464: {NW} I asked that boy whether he's scared of her too. He's looking at her like he is. {NS} {NW} Aux #2: You don't have just a I don't what it's scared of. Both of 'em the same color and all 464: {NW} Interviewer: What's that? 464: {NW} She said she didn't know why he was scared of 'em, both of 'em are the same color. {NW} {NW} {C: software sound} That's like Amber our little girl {NS} is there. Boy live up there at Laurel Hill, a man and she can see him coming and she'll start to trembling and the water just running out from her eyes. Interviewer: {NW} 464: I don't know why but that's {X} way I reckon. Interviewer: Uh-huh. What um would you call a a real bitter white powder that people used to take for medicine? It's real bitter. 464: Powders? Interviewer: Well just what what's the most bitter medicine that people used to take? 464: Let me see. I don't know. {D: Black troth?} Interviewer: {D: No it's} it's this um 464: Is it white? Or Interviewer: It's white. 464: {X} Interviewer: But sometimes people'd put it in capsules and take it for a cold. Or 464: #1 Oh uh # Interviewer: #2 fever? # 464: {NW} I don't Interviewer: Do you know 464: #1 uh # Interviewer: #2 qui- # 464: quinine. Interviewer: Is that 464: I've taken I- uh-huh, I've taken quinine, it's real bitter. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And um say if someone had died you might say well he's been dead a week and nobody's figured out yet what he died 464: With. Interviewer: And um what do you call a place where people are buried? {C: traffic} 464: Cemetery. Interviewer: Okay, any other name for that? 464: Graveyard. Interviewer: What about what they put the body in? 464: Box. Interviewer: Or the 464: Oh, where they put 'em in before they carry 'em to the cemetery? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} A funeral home. Interviewer: And what what about the box sort of thing that they put 'em in? 464: I call 'em caskets. Interviewer: Okay. What did people used to call 'em? 464: Coffins. Interviewer: Did you ever hear pinto? 464: Pinto? Interviewer: Call 'em pinto? 464: Not as I know of, if I did I done forgot it. Interviewer: Yeah. What you say um he was an important man when he died and everybody went to his 464: Funeral. Interviewer: And when people are dressed in black you say that they're in 464: Mourning I call it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um say on an average sort of day if if someone asked you how you were feeling what would you tell 'em? 464: I- say which now? Interviewer: O- on an average sort of day if someone asked you how you were feeling 464: Well I'd tell 'em I didn't feel good. If I weren't feeling good and if I did I'd say I feel alright. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um when you're getting old and your joints start giving you troubles you say you've got 464: Arthritis {D: l-} they say Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Any other 464: I say old age. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And um 464: {NW} Interviewer: a this is something that people used to die from, it was a {C: traffic} you get a real bad sore throat. 464: Mm-hmm. Tonsils. Interviewer: No it's it was worse than that. Children would choke up from it. 464: Oh cold? Interviewer: It was dipth- 464: Dip- diphtheria or diphtheria or whatever you call it #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 What about a # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: disease where your skin and your eyeballs turn yellow? 464: The yellow {D: jaundice} Interviewer: Okay. And um when you have a pain down here and you have to have an operation you say you've got 464: {NW} Cancers. Interviewer: #1 Or you # 464: #2 No # Interviewer: had an attack of a 464: Uh Interviewer: it's your appendix, you say 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 you've had a # 464: Yeah appendix. Yeah I've Interviewer: What do you 464: #1 I can't # Interviewer: #2 call that # disease? {C: traffic} 464: Well {NS} I don't know. I always said you had appendage. appendage or whatever you call it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: That's what I call it {X} {NW} Interviewer: And say if you ate something that didn't agree with you and it came back up you'd say you had to 464: {X} I'd say it was made me sick at the stomach and I vomit. Interviewer: Okay. Any other word besides vomit? 464: {NW} Puke. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 And um # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Say if a if a boy kept on going over to the same girl's house and spent a lot of time with her you'd say that he was 464: Courting. Interviewer: Okay. And he would be called her 464: Boyfriend. Interviewer: and she would be his 464: Girlfriend. Interviewer: but is that what they used to say? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah that's what they used to say. Boyfriend and girlfriend. {NW} Interviewer: #1 And um # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Say if a boy comes home with lipstick on his collar, his little brother would say that he had been 464: Hugging a girl. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Or doing what? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Kissing. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: #1 and um # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: say if um when the girl stops letting the boy come over to see him come over to see her you'd say that she 464: Say which? Interviewer: When the girl stops letting the boy come over to see her you'd say that she {NW} {D: well} quit him. Okay. Or you say um he asked her to marry him but she 464: Didn't want to marry. Interviewer: Or she what 464: Say which? Interviewer: Would you ever say she turned him down? Or 464: Turned yeah. Interviewer: gave him the sack? Or 464: #1 Turned him down. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: #1 Didn't # Interviewer: #2 Huh? # 464: turned him down and didn't want him I'd Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 say. # Interviewer: You say um well they were engaged and all of a sudden she 464: She just backed out. Interviewer: Okay. And at a wedding the boy that stands up with the groom is called the 464: Say which? Interviewer: At a wedding you know? 464: Uh- Interviewer: There's a boy that stands up with the groom, probably the the groom's best friend or something 464: Uh- Interviewer: you call him the 464: the uh {NS} {NS} I done forgot that now, I know what you're talking about but I can't call it Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: What about the woman that stands up with the brides? 464: {NS} well I don't know what to call her either. Interviewer: Or do you remember um say a a long time ago if people in in the community'd get married um other people'd ring off ring cowbells or fire off rifles and 464: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 What # 464: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: What was that called? 464: {X} it was um celebrating what I call it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Celebrating a couple that married. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: And they'd shoot guns and ring bells and keep up all kind of rackets {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} That's what they used to call it, now I don't know what they call it now. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Call it celebrating the people that got married. Interviewer: Okay. And say if there was a party and there had been some trouble at the party you'd say well the police came and they didn't arrest just one or two of them, they arrested the 464: Whole bunch. Interviewer: Okay. And um when young people go out in the evening and move around on the floor to music, you call that a 464: Call it dancing. Interviewer: Okay. 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Do you remember # Interviewer: what would you call a a kind of a dance that you have at home? {NS} 464: Well they used to call them frolics. Interviewer: Okay. 464: That's what they used to call 'em when they had them home parties {X} {NS} Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NS} Interviewer: And um say if children get out of school at four o'clock you say at four o'clock school 464: Is out. Interviewer: Okay. Or school does what? School 464: Say which? Interviewer: At four o'clock school 464: #1 Clo- # Interviewer: #2 Does # what? 464: Closes. Interviewer: Okay. And children might ask when does school 464: Close. Interviewer: or after vacation they'd say when does school 464: Start. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um if a boy left home to go to school and didn't show up in school that day you'd say he 464: {NW} He was uh I'd say he was uh I know that now too but I just can't think right now. Interviewer: Do you ever hear play 464: Mm-hmm. {X} I can't call it now but I've heard it. That {D: Gussy} boy done last week. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: Kidnapped us {D: all} I'd call it. {NW} Made out like he's going to school when there weren't no school. Interviewer: Yeah. 464: {NW} {NW} Interviewer: What do people go to school for? 464: To learn. {D: do the lesson} and education, be educated. Interviewer: Okay. And after high school you go onto 464: To that {NS} to the {NS} and get educated. Interviewer: you'd 464: {D: to the} high school and Interviewer: Then after 464: what they Interviewer: after high school you go to 464: Go to college. Interviewer: And after kindergarten you go into the 464: After kindergarten? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: The little ones you talking about? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: They goes into the big school then {X} learning the lessons and things. Interviewer: Well which which grade or class do you go in? 464: I sure couldn't tell you, the first I reckon. Interviewer: #1 The first # 464: #2 They'd # 464: after they come out of kindergarten I reckon they gets in the first grade. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} And you say years ago children sat on benches but now they sit at 464: On stools. Interviewer: #1 Or # 464: #2 Sit on # {NS} Interviewer: they have a thing 464: little I know what you're talking about but I can't call it. Interviewer: Well it's 464: #1 them # Interviewer: #2 got # 464: little tables where they put the books on. What do you {X} Interviewer: you call it a desk? 464: Desk, mm-hmm. {X} Interviewer: You say 464: {NW} Interviewer: Uh now children sit at 464: The desks. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 Uh- # huh. Interviewer: And if you wanted to check out a book you'd go to the public 464: Teacher? Interviewer: Or you'd a building where they have books, you'd call that a 464: Uh {NW} I don't know now. Cause I never did get that far in school, I didn't get no further than second grade. Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: #1 But # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: well say if you wanted if someone wanted to check out a book in town but there's one building in town where they have a lot of books that they'll lend you. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And they call that the public li- 464: {X} I don't know. {D: No if I don't} know I ain't gonna try to tell it cause I Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 don't know. # {X} {NS} Interviewer: where would you go to mail a package? 464: To the uh office. Interviewer: #1 What # 464: #2 To the # 464: uh Interviewer: the po- 464: {NW} {NW} Ooh-wee. Crazy, this is crazy. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Well where where would you go to # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: mail a letter? You'd go to the 464: Office. To the mail office. #1 You'd go # Interviewer: #2 Okay. # 464: someplace {NS} Interviewer: And you'd stay over night in a strange town at a 464: A hotel? Interviewer: Okay. And you'd see a play or a movie at a Uh I ain't been to them enough to know {X} {NW} I ain't never been to {D: and every} one 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # you'd call that a thea- 464: {NW} Theater. Uh- Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 huh. # 464: {NW} Interviewer: And you have a a doctor and a 464: Nurse? Interviewer: And um you'd catch a train at the 464: Train station. Interviewer: Okay. And um before they had buses in town they used to have these things that they'd run on on rails? 464: On rails. Interviewer: In in this town, do you remember what they were called? 464: {X} {X} I don't nothing before they had the bus stations? Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you ever hear 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 street # car or electric car or 464: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 car # 464: I have heard, yeah of the trains sure. These run on a train. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 Go on # a train. Interviewer: And you'd tell the bus driver, this next corner is where I want 464: To get off. Interviewer: Okay. And here in Okaloosa County um Crestview is the 464: Is the main state bus station Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 stop. # Interviewer: Well it's where you have the courthouse and everything, you'd say 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 It's the # 464: city {D: lemmage} Interviewer: Okay. And um {C: rooster crowing} if you #1 were a # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: a postmaster you'd be working for the federal 464: Government. Interviewer: And the police in the town are supposed to maintain what? They're supposed to make sure that there's law 464: {D: that there's} there's {X} law. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Mm-hmm. I reckon. Interviewer: Talking about um the order too you'd say they're supposed to make sure that there's law 464: Say which? Interviewer: Say if if the police if um someone thinks the police should get tougher you'd say that he's all for law 464: Uh- this yeah, they'd say he all for law, mean law or something. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Some of 'em you have to get mean to 'em. Interviewer: #1 And um # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} the fight between the North and the South in back in eighteen-sixty-something where they freed the slaves, you call that fight the 464: Say which? Interviewer: W- what was the fight between the North and the South called? 464: I don't know. Interviewer: You know when when they freed the slaves. 464: Uh- #1 huh. # Interviewer: #2 That # was called the 464: I've heard it but I done forgot now, {X} Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {X} # {NW} Interviewer: And you'd say um before they had the electric chair murderers were 464: Hung up by they necks, with ropes or chains or something in a tree. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 And you say that # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: man went out and what himself? 464: Mm-hmm. Hung hisself. Interviewer: And um these are some some names of some states and some cities um the biggest city in this country is in what state? 464: I don't know. Interviewer: Um and Baltimore is in 464: The biggest city? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: State {C: traffic} I 464: Some states in the South. {NS} I couldn't tell you. Interviewer: Huh? 464: I said I can't think to tell you {NW} Interviewer: #1 Well this is # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: this state is Florida. 464: Uh- Interviewer: #1 What # 464: #2 huh # Interviewer: what tha- what are some of the other states {C: traffic} around Florida? {NS} 464: Well I don't know. {C: mumbles} I can't think of none of them cause {D: fewmax} in Florida. {X} Interviewer: Well Atlanta's in 464: Georgia, ain't it? Interviewer: Okay. {NS} 464: #1 And uh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Birmingham is in 464: North Carolina. Interviewer: Okay. And what what else besides North Carolina? What 464: South Carolina. Interviewer: Okay. And um what about the state next to Georgia? {C: traffic} George Wallace is from 464: I can't think of that, I sure can't. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Or Mobile # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: is in 464: In Florida, ain't it? Interviewer: Okay. What about Montgomery? 464: S- {NW} it's in Alabama ain't it? Okay. And um what about Nashville? {C: car honking} {D: Nashville.} It's in Florida. Ne- no let's see Interviewer: It's in Ten- 464: In Tennis- Nashville it's in Tennessee something. Interviewer: Okay. And um Little Rock is the capital of 464: Well of the United States? Interviewer: Or of Arkan- 464: Of Arkansas? Interviewer: Okay. And Jackson is in Miss- 464: Mississippi? Interviewer: And um Baton Rouge is in or New Orleans is in Lou- 464: {D: Louvern?} Interviewer: And um the Lone Star State the or Houston is in {NS} 464: Georgia. Interviewer: Or Te- 464: Texan? Interviewer: Huh? 464: In where? What? Interviewer: Houston or Dallas is in {C: traffic} 464: I don't know. Interviewer: What um what are some of the s- what's a big city in Illinois? 464: {NW} Interviewer: It's Chi- 464: Chicago? Interviewer: Huh? 464: Chicago? Interviewer: Okay. And what are some of the cities in um in Alabama? 464: Say what is some of 'em? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: The towns you talking about? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I don't {D: I don't know, let's see} {D: Lowrose} in Alabama, ain't it? Interviewer: Okay. 464: And uh let's see two or three more places up there knows in Alabama but I can't call 'em now. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: What about in Georgia? 464: In Georgia? I don't know nothing about that either. Interviewer: Or the the biggest places. {NS} 464: {NW} well I can't tell you the biggest places in Georgia {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: Um 464: {NW} Interviewer: Say if two people become members of a church you say they 464: Say which? Interviewer: If two people become members of a #1 church # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: you'd say they 464: Got saved. Interviewer: Or they 464: #1 Or converted. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: Huh? {NS} Interviewer: They become members you say they 464: They Interviewer: what #1 the church? # 464: #2 Become members # of the church, baptize uh Interviewer: #1 Or # 464: #2 Christian. # Interviewer: #1 # 464: #2 # Interviewer: Or they 464: Christians. Interviewer: or they what the church? They 464: {NW} Interviewer: Well they they become members you say they what the church? They They j- 464: They join the church. Interviewer: Okay. And you go to church to pray to 464: The Lord. To the Lord and people. Interviewer: Huh? 464: I say you go to pray to the good Lord and people and show 'em what you trying to do. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And Jesus is the son of 464: God. Interviewer: And the preacher preaches a 464: The sermons. Interviewer: And the choir and the organist provide the 464: The uh church Interviewer: Or the 464: #1 the choir. # Interviewer: #2 choir # Interviewer: and the 464: #1 Oh. # Interviewer: #2 organist # provide the 464: {NW} {NW} something I don't know. Interviewer: Just the mu- 464: The music? Interviewer: Okay. 464: Uh-huh. {NW} Interviewer: And the the enemy of God is called the {NW} I don't know. 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 Well who's # supposed to live own in hell? 464: The Devil. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 What what would you tell # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: what would you tell children was gonna get 'em if they didn't behave? 464: The Devil. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Any other name for him? # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} let's see no nothing I say the boogeyman sometime {D: when I tell 'em} {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: And what do people um think they see around a graveyard at night to scare 'em? 464: {D: the hell} they call it spirits but I don't know what it is {NW} Interviewer: #1 Or what what do you call those? # 464: #2 {NW} # Haints Interviewer: Okay. {C: traffic} And um {NS} a house that everybody's scared to go in you'd say the house was supposed to be 464: Hainted. Interviewer: And um you might say um well I'll go with you if you really want me to but I'd 464: Don't wanna go. Interviewer: I'd what stay here? 464: #1 I'd # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: rather stay here. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Rather stay at home. Interviewer: Okay. And um {NS} when you a friend of yours says good morning what what do you ask 'em then? 464: When they say good morning? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: {NW} I ask 'em to come in. Interviewer: #1 Or # 464: #2 Have a # seat. Interviewer: You ask 'em about their health, you 464: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 ask 'em # 464: Yeah how they feel and all. Interviewer: Okay. What about when you're introduced to a stranger? 464: Well I always makes myself acquainted with 'em when I meet up with a stranger. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Anything you ask 'em? 464: Uh-huh. No. Let me see I can't think now what {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: What do you {NS} say to someone on December twenty-fifth? 464: On which? Interviewer: December twenty-fifth? 464: Say what do I say to 'em? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: I don't know. Interviewer: Well what day is December twenty-fifth? 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 It's when # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Santa Claus comes. It's 464: Oh yeah, uh-huh. I told you I'm about half crazy {C: laughing} {NW} {NW} Oh me Interviewer: What do you say to someone then? 464: {NS} It's a Christmas gift. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} Um what are your any other expression? {NS} 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 What does it say # 464: #2 Uh-uh, no. # Interviewer: on your Christmas cards? 464: {NW} {NS} {NW} well I can't think. Interviewer: Or it says what Christmas? It says 464: Huh? Interviewer: We wish you a 464: A happy {NS} Christmas? Interviewer: Or not happy 464: #1 Uh # Interviewer: #2 Christmas # it's 464: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um 464: You had to bring it to my mind cause I tell you Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {D: gone} {NW} {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 And um # Interviewer: You say I have to go downtown to do some 464: Shopping. Interviewer: And say if you bought something you'd say the storekeeper took out a piece of paper and he {NS} 464: Put it in his {NS} Interviewer: Or he what it up? He 464: Wrapped it up? Interviewer: And when I got home I 464: Unwrapped it. Interviewer: And if you had to sell something for less than you paid for it you'd say you had to sell it at a 464: Low price. #1 Underprice. # Interviewer: #2 Or you lost # Huh? 464: I tell I sell it underprice. Interviewer: Or 464: #1 low price # Interviewer: #2 you bought # 464: #1 It's lost # Interviewer: #2 lost # money on it you'd say 464: Sure. Yeah I sure would. {NS} Interviewer: You were selling it at a {NS} 464: Low price under what I Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 paid # for it. {NW} Interviewer: And say if you like something but don't have enough money to buy it you'd say well I like it but it 464: Costs too much more tha- money than I got. Interviewer: Okay. And on the first of the month you say the bill is {NS} 464: Say which? Interviewer: When it's time to pay your bill you say the bill is 464: Time to pay my bills now {D: I say} the bills is here. Interviewer: #1 Or the bill # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: is 464: {NW} Interviewer: If you hadn't paid it and then it it was past the time you were supposed to've paid it you'd say that bill is over- 464: Done past over. Interviewer: Or is over 464: Overtime. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And if you belong to a club you have to pay your {NS} 464: Dues. {NS} Interviewer: And talking about the bill you'd say the bill is 464: Say which? Interviewer: If the if the you had to pay the bill you'd say the bill is {NS} 464: over I ain't I didn't have the money I'd say I didn't have the money to pay Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 it. # {NW} Interviewer: And if you didn't have any money you might go to the bank and try to {NS} 464: Borrow some. Interviewer: And you say in the thirties money was 464: Say which? Interviewer: In the thirties money was {NS} 464: I don't know. Interviewer: You'd say there wasn't much money around you'd say money was 464: Scarce. Interviewer: And um you say he ran down the springboard and he what into the water? 464: Jumped overboard. Interviewer: Or goes headfirst you'd say he 464: Drownded hisself. Interviewer: Or and you say um {NS} say if he got in the water if he couldn't swim you'd say that he got 464: Drownded. Interviewer: And you say I wasn't there so I didn't see him 464: Go overboard. Interviewer: Or I didn't see him 464: Drown. {NS} Interviewer: And um talking about um diving you'd say he ran down the springboard and 464: Div over. Interviewer: And you'd say several children have already 464: Div over in there. {NS} Interviewer: But I was too scared to 464: Try it I is {X} Interviewer: #1 too scared to do what? # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} to dive {NW} Interviewer: And if you dive and then hit the water flat you'd call that a 464: I don't know what you'd call that. Interviewer: Well say um 464: {D: just} flat {C: traffic} Interviewer: say children like to 464: Swim? Interviewer: And you say yesterday he 464: Was s- swimming. Interviewer: Or he dived in the water and he what? 464: Went over {NS} Interviewer: Or he what across the lake? He 464: Swimmed across the lake. Interviewer: And you say I have what there before? 464: Swimmed. Interviewer: And um {NS} you'd say that would be a hard {NS} mountain to 464: Try to climb I'd say. Interviewer: And you say but last year my neighbor 464: Climb it. Interviewer: But I have never 464: Tried. Interviewer: I've never what a mountain? 464: S- Climbed a mountain. Interviewer: And um you say you'd throw a ball and ask somebody to {NS} 464: Catch it? Interviewer: And you say I threw the ball and he 464: Caught it. Interviewer: And you say I've been fishing all day but I haven't {NS} 464: Caught nothing. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: #1 And um # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: you say she walked up to the altar and she what down? 464: Say which? Interviewer: She walked up to the altar and she what down? 464: Kneel down. Interviewer: Okay. And say if you were tired you might say well I think I'll go over to the couch and 464: Lay down. Interviewer: And you say he was really sick and he couldn't even sit up, he just what in bed all day? He just 464: Laid in the bed all day. Interviewer: And um what does a a baby do before it's able to walk? 464: Crawl. Interviewer: Okay. And if you bring your foot down heavy on the floor you say you {NS} 464: Stomped. Interviewer: Okay. And um to get something to come towards you, you'd take hold of it and 464: Pull it {NS} to you. Interviewer: And the other way is 464: You push it from you. {NW} Interviewer: And um say if a if a boy saw a girl at church and wanted to go home with her he would ask may I {NS} 464: Go home with you? Interviewer: Or may I what you home? 464: Say which? Interviewer: May I what you home? 464: Walk you home? Interviewer: Okay, what if he had a car? 464: Ride with you home? Interviewer: Okay. And um talking about something you see in your sleep you'd say this is what I 464: Dreamed. Interviewer: And you say often when I go to sleep I 464: Dreams. Interviewer: But I usually can't remember what I have 464: Dreamt. Interviewer: And you say um when I go to sleep I usually will 464: {X} {NW} well I always say my prayers before I go to sleep. And then {NW} I go to sleep I {D: sleeps} mostly dream something if I'm worried about something I'm mostly dream something. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You say I I usually will what something? 464: Dream something? Interviewer: Okay. And um um you might tell a child now that stove is very hot so don't 464: Touch it. Interviewer: And um if you needed a hammer you might tell someone go 464: Bring me a hammer? Interviewer: And um you remember um games children would play um where one of 'em'd be it and the other children would hide? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What was that called? 464: Hide-and-seek we used to call it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 What would you call # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: the tree that you could touch and be safe? 464: Tree you'd touch and be safe? What? I don't know what we'd call it. Interviewer: Well what about in football, the thing that you run toward? 464: Say oh a football. Interviewer: Uh-huh. You 464: #1 well # Interviewer: #2 run toward # the 464: The tree. {D: up} to the house. That was the base I reckon. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} {NS} Interviewer: And um you might say well there's no need for you to hurry, if I get there first I'll wait 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 What # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Huh? 464: When they get there with the ball? Interviewer: Or 464: #1 to the # Interviewer: #2 I'll wait # Interviewer: what you? Say if we were planning to meet in town I might say well if I get there first I'll 464: Wait on you. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um if a man's in a very good mood you might say he's in a very good 464: Move Interviewer: #1 or # 464: #2 {X} # Interviewer: in a very good 464: condition I reckon or Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 something # {D: today} Interviewer: And someone who always catches onto a joke you know who's 464: #1 Say # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 464: what? Interviewer: Someone who always catches onto a joke and always sees the funny side in things you'd say he's got a good sense of 464: Joking in him. Interviewer: Or a good 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 sense # of {NS} 464: {D: of uh} {NS} something I can't Interviewer: Would you say humor? Or humor? 464: Humor. {NS} Interviewer: #1 Huh? # 464: #2 {X} # He got a good humor, good sense of humor. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 Something. # Interviewer: And you might say well we've got termites but I'm sure the exterminating company will get 464: Shed of 'em. Interviewer: Okay. And say if you were about to punish a child he might tell you not to punish me, just please {NS} 464: Let me off this time. Interviewer: Or give 464: Forgive me. Interviewer: Give me another 464: Chance. Interviewer: And um {NS} say if a child left his best pencil on the desk and {NS} came back and didn't find it there, he'd say I bet somebody 464: Has taken my pencil. Stole his pencil. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And um say if um if you give someone a bracelet and you want to see how it looks on 'em you say well why don't you 464: Try it on Interviewer: #1 O- # 464: #2 let # me see how it it looks. Interviewer: Or go ahead and 464: #1 put # Interviewer: #2 what it o- # 464: Put it on your arm. Interviewer: Okay. And um you might ask someone um {D: wells} you might say well I'm glad we had an umbrella cause we hadn't gone half a block when it 464: Went to raining. Interviewer: Okay. And you might ask someone, what time does the movie 464: Start. Interviewer: Or what time does the movie be- 464: Begin. Interviewer: And you say it must have already 464: Started. Begin. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Must be already begin. Interviewer: And you say it what ten minutes ago? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah ten minutes ago it {D: be- beginded} Interviewer: And um you'd say you can get through there cause the highway department's got their machines in and the road's all 464: Blocked. Interviewer: or all to- 464: Tore up. Interviewer: And um you might say um ask how long you've been living here and you say well I've been living here ever what I got married? 464: {X} Since I been born, I {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 Okay. # {NW} Interviewer: And you say that wasn't an accident, he meant to do that. You say he did that 464: Purpose. Interviewer: Huh? 464: A purpose. Interviewer: Okay. And um say um if you wanted to brighten up your room for a party and you had a lot of things growing out in your garden you'd go out and 464: In the garden? Interviewer: And what? 464: Gather some of your stuff in the garden? Interviewer: Well what would you gather? 464: Well a green peas Interviewer: #1 or # 464: #2 or # Interviewer: or things 464: Oh you talking about put in the room? In Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {D: the hou-} # 464: Oh I I'd gather flowers and Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 different # Interviewer: #2 What # 464: kind of flowers. {NW} Interviewer: What would you 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 put the # flowers in then? 464: I'd put 'em in a vase or jar or something, whatever I could get to put 'em in Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And something that a child plays with, you'd call that a 464: Uh-uh. Lord these children played so many different things 'til I can't Interviewer: #1 What what's just # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: a a general name for something that a 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 child plays with? # 464: Bicycles. Interviewer: Or 464: and {X} uh Interviewer: well 464: little carts. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 Little # Interviewer: #2 Well # 464: trains. Interviewer: Well dolls and trains and everything like that, those are just called 464: Uh-huh. Yeah they could plays with dolls and Interviewer: Would you 464: #1 little # Interviewer: #2 call that # 464: trains and Interviewer: a toy? 464: Uh-huh. That's what we call 'em, toys. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Any other name for that? 464: {NW} Not as I know of. Interviewer: Would you call that a play-pretty? 464: Oh yeah, uh-huh. Yeah we call it play-pretties Interviewer: #1 What what does play-pretty # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: mean? 464: {NW} Just something to play with I reckon. {NW} Okay. {NW} {NW} lordy. Interviewer: And what do you call a a child that's always running and telling on the other children? 464: {X} I call him a tattler. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 Would you call a grown-up a # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: tattler? 464: {NW} Yeah if they always telling something I would {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And say if a child has just learned something and you want um to know where he learned that you'd say who what you that? Who 464: Learnt you that? Interviewer: Okay. And um is someone coming? 464: Uh-uh. I was thinking I was just see'd that car pass and I thought it was the woman bringing Bernise home and I just got up to look to see {NS} {NS} Interviewer: You say um I have just what him a letter? I have just 464: Wrote him a letter. Interviewer: And you say yesterday he what me a letter? 464: Mailed me one? Interviewer: Or yesterday he 464: Wrote me a letter? Interviewer: And tomorrow I will 464: Answer it. Interviewer: Or tomorrow I will 464: Write him one. Interviewer: And you say well I wrote him and it was time I was getting a 464: Answer. {NS} Interviewer: And you put the letter in the envelope and then you take out your pen and you {NS} 464: say you put your letter in the envelope? Interviewer: And then you take out your pen and you 464: Back it. Interviewer: Or another name for that? 464: Address it. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 And you say # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: I'm old-fashioned I {NW} talk old flat talk {NW} Interviewer: #1 What do you mean # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: flat 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 talk? # 464: {NW} Old folks talk I reckon {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: {NW} Interviewer: #1 and uh # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: you say well I was gonna write him but I didn't know his 464: Address. Interviewer: And um say if you had a question I might say well I don't know the answer to your question, you'd better go what somebody else? 464: Somebody else knows I reckon. Interviewer: You better go 464: {NW} Interviewer: find someone else an what them? 464: And find out to them, ask them. Interviewer: And you say so then I went and {C: traffic} 464: Asked them. Interviewer: And you say why you're the second person who's 464: Come asked me that. Interviewer: Okay. And you say those little boys like to 464: Box. Interviewer: Or like to 464: {NW} Interviewer: They get mad and they 464: scratch one another and box 'em too sometime {C: laughing} Interviewer: #1 Or # 464: #2 {X} # these do {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 or they # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: get mad and they 464: {NW} Fight. Interviewer: And you say every time they met they 464: Fight. Interviewer: Or um yesterday they 464: Fought. Interviewer: And you say ever since they were small they have 464: Fought. Interviewer: And you say she what him with a big knife? 464: Cut him. Interviewer: Or she 464: Stabbed him. Interviewer: And you say um if you were gonna lift something heavy like a piece of machinery up on a roof you say you'd use pulley blocks and a rope to {NS} 464: Say which? Interviewer: If you had to lift something heavy like a piece of machinery up onto a roof you'd say you have to use pulley blocks and a rope to 464: Pull it up. Interviewer: Or to 464: Pull it. Interviewer: Would you ever say hoist it? Or heist it? 464: Heist it, uh-huh. Interviewer: Do you say 464: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 that? # 464: Sometime I'd say heist and sometime I'd say lift and {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 um # Interviewer: talking about um how how tall a room is you'd say this room's about maybe ten 464: Feet. {NS} Interviewer: And um what did you call the best room in the house where you have company? 464: Living room? Interviewer: Any other name for that? 464: Sitting room. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And if a child's just had his third birthday you'd say he's {C: traffic} 464: #1 just # Interviewer: #2 three- # 464: three-year old. Interviewer: Okay. And {NS} and now would you um start counting slowly? 464: Say which? Interviewer: Would you start counting slowly? 464: Who? Me? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Counting? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: {D: Well that's about} one, two, three like that. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: How far do I go? Far Interviewer: #1 um # 464: #2 as I can # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 just # Interviewer: #1 no # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: just up to fifteen. 464: {NW} One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Seven Eight. Nine. Ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. Interviewer: And the number after nineteen is 464: Twenty. Interviewer: And after twenty-six? 464: {X} there I can't {NW} Interviewer: #1 Well after twenty- # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: six you have {NS} 464: {NW} {X} Twenty-six? Twenty-seven. Interviewer: And after twenty-nine? 464: S- Twenty-eight. Interviewer: Or 464: Twenty- -nine is thirty. Interviewer: Okay. And after thirty-nine {NS} 464: It's it's forty. Interviewer: And after sixty-nine? 464: It's seventy. Interviewer: And after ninety-nine 464: It's eighty. {NS} Interviewer: Or ninety-nine 464: Nine is {NS} Interviewer: #1 one # 464: #2 is uh # one- {NS} hundred. Interviewer: Okay. And then after nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine you have one- 464: Fifty. Interviewer: Or 464: #1 {D: one} # Interviewer: #2 one # Interviewer: one-thou- 464: Say which now? Interviewer: Not it's not a hundred it's one one tho- 464: One thousand. Interviewer: And if someone was really rich you might say he had one 464: Thousand. Interviewer: Or one- what? 464: million. Interviewer: Huh? 464: One million? Interviewer: Okay. {NS} #1 And um # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NS} if you had a line of people standing standing somewhere well say if you had eleven people the person at the back of the line, he'd be the eleventh person. 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: The person at the front of the line he'd be 464: #1 be # Interviewer: #2 the # 464: the first. Interviewer: Okay and behind him? 464: Second. Interviewer: Keep going. 464: Third. Fourth. Fifth. Sixth. Seventh. Eighth and ninth and tenth and Interviewer: #1 okay. # 464: #2 eleventh. # Interviewer: And um {NS} you say sometimes you you feel your good luck comes just a little at a time but your bad luck comes all 464: {NW} all at once Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: I can sure answer that question. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # As Bogans used to say fast-like I can answer that. {NW} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: And um if you said something two times you'd be saying it 464: Twice. Interviewer: Okay. And would you name the months of the year? 464: {D: Year} Wait I'll have to study on that now. It's as plain as it is. {NW} {NS} You had to start me off on that I reckon {NW} Interviewer: #1 Well what month # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: is this? 464: {NW} it's well I don't know Interviewer: Well the first 464: October ain't it? This what month? I don't know honey. {NW} {X} {D: can't even step with check days} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: the first month of the year is Jan- 464: January. February. And January, February, October, and November. Interviewer: Huh? 464: Wait, January and February Interviewer: Ma- {NS} 464: March. April. {NS} May, June, July, August. {C: traffic} September. October, November, December. Okay. Interviewer: #1 And the # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: days of the week? 464: {NW} days of the week? Interviewer: Uh-huh. {C: traffic} 464: Monday, it's you don't start on Sunday, do you? Interviewer: Well 464: #1 that # Interviewer: #2 Mon- # 464: day, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. And Sunday. Interviewer: And what does sabbath mean? 464: Sabbath? {NW} Let's see Sunday. Interviewer: Okay. And um 464: I know it but I had to think and study. {NW} Interviewer: Say um if you meet someone during the early part of the day what do you say to 'em? 464: Good morning. {NS} Interviewer: Okay how long does morning last? 464: Til twelve. Interviewer: And then what? 464: It's in the evening. Interviewer: Okay. Is there another name for evening? 464: Afternoon. Interviewer: Is is that all the same thing? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Say um 464: I reckon now, that's what I heared, I don't know Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Um 464: {NW} Interviewer: Say if you were leaving someone about about this time of day, around eleven or o'clock or so would you say anything to 'em if you were leaving 'em? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What would you say? 464: Well I'd tell 'em good morning. I'm leaving. Bye, take care of yourself. Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 Be good # until I see you again. Interviewer: Would you ever say good day to 'em if you were 464: #1 Uh-huh # Interviewer: #2 leaving # 464: yeah, I say good day sometime to 'em. Interviewer: When do you say good day? 464: I say that in the morning part of the day. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: #1 And um # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: what about after dark when you're leaving? 464: I say good night. Interviewer: And um if you had to get up and start work before the the sun was shining you'd say we had to start work before 464: {NW} before sun up. Interviewer: And we worked until 464: After sundown. Interviewer: And you'd say this morning I saw the sun 464: r- ma- rose. Interviewer: Huh? 464: and it rose. Interviewer: And you say um we were late this morning, when we got outside the sun had already 464: Rose. Interviewer: And you say um tomorrow the sun will what at 464: #1 ri- # Interviewer: #2 six # Interviewer: Huh? 464: {D: It when?} Interviewer: Tomorrow the sun will 464: In the morning part of the day Interviewer: #1 yeah. # 464: #2 you # Interviewer: talking about? 464: Rise. Interviewer: Okay. And you say um today is um Wednesday 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: so Tuesday was 464: {X} Interviewer: Tuesday {X} day, Tuesday was ye- 464: I don't wanna you got me covered there, I don't know Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 464: #2 what to say # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Well you say you have today y- w- when did I last? 464: You? Interviewer: Uh-huh. When was I over here last? 464: Yesterday. Interviewer: Okay. And um you say you have yesterday, today and 464: Mm yesterday was what, Tuesday, wasn't it? Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {X} # Uh-huh. Interviewer: And so Thursday will be 464: {NW} Interviewer: Thursday's not today, Thursday's 464: Tomorrow. Interviewer: Okay. And if someone came here on a Sunday not last Sunday now but a week earlier than last Sunday 464: Uh- Interviewer: #1 you say # 464: #2 huh. # Interviewer: came here when? {NS} 464: {D: on} last Sunday Interviewer: Not last 464: Not Sunday week. Interviewer: Does that 464: #1 just # Interviewer: #2 mean # 464: #1 you say # Interviewer: #2 before # 464: he come {X} the Sunday before last? Interviewer: Okay. What does Sunday week mean? 464: Well it just means a week from I say just a week f- like {X} {NS} Today is Wednesday ain't it? Interviewer: Yeah. 464: Well I next Wednesday I'd say a week from today. That's what I'd call it. {NW} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {D: or it's} # is Sunday week in the future you mean? 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 It's two weeks # 464: #2 Uh-huh. # that's uh-huh Interviewer: #1 {X} # 464: #2 that's what I # Uh-huh. Interviewer: And if you wanted to know the time you'd ask someone 464: What time you got? Interviewer: Huh? 464: I'd ask 'em what time did they have. {NS} Interviewer: Okay. And um if it was halfway between seven o'clock and eight o'clock you'd say that it was 464: {X} Seven-thirty or eight-thirty or whatever Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 time # it would be. {NW} Interviewer: #1 Or # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: another way of saying that would 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 be # say it was half- 464: {X} halfway the time of day I reckon. Interviewer: Or it's 464: #1 half- # Interviewer: #2 half- # what seven? It's 464: #1 half- # Interviewer: #2 half- # 464: past seven. Interviewer: And if it was fifteen minutes later than that you'd say that it was about it was a quarter 464: quarter until seven. Interviewer: Okay. And if you had been doing something for a long time you might say I've been doing that for quite a 464: while. Interviewer: And you say nineteen-seventy-two was last year. Nineteen-seventy-three is {C: traffic} 464: This year. Interviewer: Huh? 464: This year. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} And if something happened on this day last year you say it happened exactly 464: On the same day as Interviewer: How long ago? 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 On this day # last year it happened exactly a 464: A year. Interviewer: Huh? 464: A year? Interviewer: Okay. Um and say the whole thing, it happened exactly 464: It happened exactly on the same date of the year. Interviewer: Okay and how long ago was it? 464: {NW} a year ago. Interviewer: Okay. And um talking about the weather you say you'd look up at the sky and say I don't like the looks of those black 464: Clouds. Interviewer: And on a day when the sun was shining and there weren't any clouds, what kind of day would you say that was? 464: It's a beautiful sunshiny day. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And what about when there are a lot of clouds and it's it's sort of dark and it 464: Uh-huh. Interviewer: you'd say it was 464: I'd say I believe it's gonna rain, it look like it's gonna rain. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 You say it's # Interviewer: you wouldn't say it's a beautiful day, you'd 464: #1 Uh-uh. # Interviewer: #2 say it's a # 464: a cloudy day I'd say. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} What if um if the clouds were getting thicker and thicker and you figured it it might rain or snow or something in a 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 little while # you'd say that the weather was 464: getting bad. Interviewer: Okay. Did you ever say it was changing? Or threatening? Or gathering? 464: {D: Uh-} {NS} yeah, I'd say it was getting bad weather. Interviewer: Okay. 464: {NW} Interviewer: And if it had been cloudy and then the clouds pull away you'd say well it 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 looks like it's # finally going to 464: fairing off. Interviewer: Okay. And um {NS} say if if you go outside and it's you say it's not really cold but it's just 464: Chilly. Interviewer: Okay. And um a whole lot of rain that just suddenly comes down 464: {NW} say which? Interviewer: A whole lot of rain that just suddenly comes down? 464: Well I say it just poured down. Interviewer: #1 {D: but} # 464: #2 raining # {NW} Interviewer: #1 you'd say we had a # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: Big shower, big rain. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 464: Plenty of rain I say. Interviewer: Would you ever call that a a downpour? Or a pourdown? Or 464: Uh- Interviewer: #1 um # 464: #2 huh. # Interviewer: Yeah 464: #1 I'd call it # Interviewer: #2 down- # 464: I'd call it pourdown when it come a big rain Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 like that # {NW} Interviewer: What if there's thunder and lightning? 464: {NW} I'd say we had some bad weather, thunder and lightning. {NW} Interviewer: Well you'd 464: #1 That's # Interviewer: #2 call that # 464: storming. Interviewer: A what? 464: Storm I'd call it. Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # 464: Thunderstorm I'd call it. {NW} Interviewer: What about if it's not as heavy as as that if it 464: #1 well # Interviewer: #2 it's not # Interviewer: If it's just a light rain coming down. 464: I call it just a small shower. Interviewer: Okay, what about if it's real fine? 464: I say it's foggy rain. If I call it a foggy rain {NW} Interviewer: #1 Okay. # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Um what about mist or drizzle? 464: Uh-huh. Yeah there's drizzle Interviewer: What's a 464: #1 a drizzle # Interviewer: #2 drizzle? # 464: that's just a slow I call it little slow drizzle, not raining hard Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 and it's # drizzling. Interviewer: Say if you get up in the morning and you can't see across the road you'd say that you had a 464: Fog, I call it fog. Interviewer: Okay. {NW} 464: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 And you # say um it started to rain and the wind began to 464: Blow. Interviewer: You'd say all night long the wind 464: Blowed. Interviewer: And you'd say it was bad last night but it is what part of the night before? 464: Sure, harder from that before. Interviewer: #1 It had # 464: #2 {D: it was a} # Interviewer: it has 464: rain and Interviewer: The wind 464: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 has # 464: {X} ri- wind rise. Interviewer: What do you mean rise? 464: You know when the wind gets up high and get to blowing hard I call it the wind rising Interviewer: #1 Uh-huh. # 464: #2 {NW} # {NW} Interviewer: What if it's um if it's getting weaker you say the wind was 464: Calming down. Interviewer: Okay. And um you say the wind has what hard all night? 464: Blowed hard all night. Interviewer: And if the wind's from this direction you say it's 464: From the south I'd say. Interviewer: And um a wind halfway between south and west you'd call a 464: Southwest I'd call it. Interviewer: And between south and east? 464: East. West. Interviewer: But between south and east. 464: Between the south and the east I'd call it southeast. Interviewer: And between east and north? 464: I'd call it east north. Northeast, something. Interviewer: And west and north? 464: West north. Interviewer: You'd say west north? 464: Northwest. Interviewer: Okay. And um if no rain comes for weeks and weeks you'd say that you were having a 464: Dry spell. Interviewer: Any other word for that? 464: Dry weather. Interviewer: Or say if it if it lasted a maybe six weeks or so you'd call that a if it was really a serious dry spell. 464: Sure. It's sure is but I don't know what I'd call it, I'd just call it a dry spell all I know Interviewer: #1 Did you ever call that a # 464: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: a dr- drought or draught? 464: dr- yeah yeah I've called it dried- dried drough- Interviewer: Uh-huh. Say if it was so cold last night that the lake 464: Say which? Interviewer: It was so cold last night that the lake did what? {NS} 464: Froze? Interviewer: Okay, what if it didn't freeze solid but just around the 464: #1 just # Interviewer: #2 edges? # 464: around the edges? I'd say it was just a little freeze around the edges where it weren't water weren't {D: deep} much Interviewer: Uh-huh. You'd say if it was cold enough to kill the tomatoes and flowers you'd say last night we had a 464: Frost. Interviewer: Okay, what if it's harder than that? 464: I'd call it a freeze. Interviewer: Okay. And you say it was so cold last night that the pipes 464: Froze. Interviewer: And 464: Busted. Interviewer: And you say um the pipes have already 464: Froze. Interviewer: And have already 464: Busted. Interviewer: And you say if it gets much colder the pipes will if it gets any colder the pipes might 464: Bust. Interviewer: Because the water might 464: Freeze. Interviewer: Okay. And if there was something that um if I was if I was um asking you about something you might say well I think that's right but I'm not 464: Sure. Interviewer: Okay. 464: Uh-huh.