Interviewer:  Now that melted. Yeah
472:  About to melt?
Interviewer:  Yes.
472:  Well that was my um that was my free part that was a the part that I liked better than any other part of the hog was its melt I'd rather have the melt than the than to have the tripe uh {X}
Interviewer:  Where where exactly you said that was around the liver?
472:  Yeah melt grows right in there close to the liver. The hog melt. It's a long thing looks like a tongue something's tongue the melt does. It's the shape of a tongue. But it's a sweet meat. It's just just right I mean just real good.
Interviewer:  What's that?
472:  Oh they working over there. Yeah.
Interviewer:  That hashling you say is hog mixed up?
472:  Yeah that's what you call hog hash. Hog hash. Cook it all up together. Cook it all up together and cook it. And it's really good everybody likes that. It's really good.
Interviewer:  Did you ever take the uh what's that he got
472:  Wheelbarrow.
Interviewer:  {NW} Is that your's? No, it belongs to Ms {X} They've been hauling something like they've been cutting something. Did y'all when you were eh talking about hog-killing time did you ever take the intestines and clean 'em out real good and stuff some sausage in 'em?
472:  No. Jenny always never did that well yeah the old folks did way back yonder but now they just clean 'em and cook 'em. Cook 'em boil 'em and then take 'em up cut 'em up and fry 'em.
Interviewer:  What do you call that
472:  Uh {NS} chitlins.
Interviewer:  {X}
472:  All the chitlins.
Interviewer:  You like those?
472:  Yeah I used to eat 'em like a pig and I don't eat 'em no more.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Away from it now.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
472:  Yeah. Eat 'em like a pig. {NS} Sometimes they'll put on 'em boil a {X} and I come in here {X} {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  I can get outta here
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  {NW} I heard they don't smell too good when they're cooking.
472:  They make you sick almost.
Interviewer:  Really?
472:  Some people like to smell 'em. I don't. I don't like to smell 'em. Too much too much. That's getting too much of it. I I got to le- let them have that
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  You know tal- we were talking about the house. Some houses have a a place right underneath the roof that you climb up to you can use for storage or something like that?
472:  I don't {NW} I'm not acquainted with that.
Interviewer:  {NW} Call the attic?
472:  Oh attic. Oh yeah. Uh they have uh a house that's not a up st- stair house but it's place room up there that you can have a what they call a attic to store stuff in.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Yeah my brother's got one at his house down here at White House Fork.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  And they store stuff up there that they don't need. Well I like for the winter they use heavy bedding. And in the summer they can stack it up there you see.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  But you had to keep check on 'em so that they uh won't mold or something you know. That weather'll make 'em mold any kinda the shell a mold inside.
Interviewer:  #1 Yes sir. #
472:  #2 {D: Don't} # watch.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  But anyhow they take care of it and that's what that attic's for. Store stuff in like that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
472:  Or some little something you don't need.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  Get that outta the way.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  No creek don't strike that match It's that forest consumed
Interviewer:  {X} burn up something?
472:  {NW} Yeah
Interviewer:  You didn't mean to. How many of those uh those things grow grow on trees or bushes?
472:  Vines.
Interviewer:  Vines.
472:  I got me one coming out yonder. Whole what maybe they put on something else
Interviewer:  He sa- I guess they just grow kind of like grapes?
472:  Yeah. Go ahead and eat all of 'em you want.
Interviewer:  I will. {NW} You don't have to ask twice it tastes real good. Well we were talking about uh you know stinging insects uh it kinda reminded me about snakes do y'all have any um bad snakes around here? Poisonous?
472:  I think yeah I guess we got every kind excepting a a cobra. Uh we got a lots. Uh that rattlesnake I believe is about the worst we have.
Interviewer:  He's pretty bad isn't he?
472:  Oh yeah. I wouldn't want him no worse. #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # No I don't guess so.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  A rattlesnake's pretty bad around here huh?
472:  Yeah they are. They sure are.
Interviewer:  Any mo- moccasins things like that?
472:  Yeah around these branches Around these ponds. Lot a moccasins. But mostly right around here on this flat is adders. We have a black adder and we have a brown adder. Little brown adder.
Interviewer:  About how long are they? What do they look like?
472:  They grow from about this long to about that long.
Interviewer:  Around two feet?
472:  Yeah. Two feet long. They
Interviewer:  Are those poisonous?
472:  Uh I never have knowed nobody being poisoned by by 'em no way. They a mighty humble little snake. Whenever you walk up to it and he just flattens his head like that. And blows all he can blows {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Is does that scare you? {NS}
472:  Yeah. Sure will. Then we have what they call a black runner. Black snake. around here. But I haven't saw no coach whips. You know coach whips had like to have life. I there's some here around now but not here in town I haven't saw one {NS} in town.
Interviewer:  And they're not poisonous are they?
472:  I don't know if they are or not. But there's certain times of the year they'll run you. And a black snake will too. In the mating times I guess.
Interviewer:  Oh. You ever heard of any king snakes being around?
472:  Yeah back out in the way way back out in the woods there's a lotta there's a lotta king snakes. Yeah. Oak snakes. King snakes and uh rat snakes. We have rat snakes around here. {x} rat snake.
Interviewer:  Chicken snake?
472:  Chicken snake we got them. But such is {X} We don't have any of them that I know of. I've saw some of them over here at Piggly-Wiggly's in the shelf They come around sometimes showing 'em you know.
Interviewer:  Oh.
472:  People do. I saw a man I saw a man kiss a cobra on top of the head over there
Interviewer:  Ah.
472:  one day I sure did.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Yes sir. Boy that thing had his head bowed up about that high. About that high.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  And that man kissed him right on top of his head.
Interviewer:  I think I can think of something better to do.
472:  Cobra and you know he just bite you you don't live but just a few minutes if they bite you. He sure did.
Interviewer:  Picked a hurry way to earn a living didn't he?
472:  But he made all them younguns and everybody around on the street he told 'em to be perfectly still and quiet. He waved his hands like that you know at that snake and that snake was watching his hands and he just {X} Not for me.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Oh boy
Interviewer:  {NW} {NS}
472:  He had a rattlesnake in a cage I don't know how big he was. {NS} He told me how much it weighed {NS} but said {NS} he said that them kind could out grew a man Could handle a man. When they fed him they just throw a live rabbit or anything in there. {X} I don't know what he u- it wasn't a rattlesnake it was another kind uh that he had I forgot the name of it. It sure was big.
Interviewer:  I can think of a lot of things that I'd rather kiss than a cobra.
472:  Uh yeah they look horny snake I reckon there is. {X}
Interviewer:  Talking about the house was there ever did people have those little rooms right off the kitchen where they might store canned goods or extra dishes?
472:  Yeah and they had uh but not to that so much as they had a smoke house. Where they smoked their meats. Now they stored a lot of stuff in them. They uh would put this stuff out in little houses well in fact I've got a little house out here now. Lot of stuff in it. Lot of stuff in it. {X} and he {X}
Interviewer:  What about pantry did people have those?
472:  Yeah I've saw that they yeah I've saw that. Pantry. Yeah call it pantry yeah. I'd forgot about that. But they they've had them too in the house backwards That's a little old storeroom. To my opinion. {X} what you store stuff in.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. You use to uh years ago on Mondays {NS} was there any {NS} one particular thing that uh women would do on Mondays?
472:  Oh that makes me think about uh that question makes me think about that uh {NS} the story I'd heard about Monday Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday would o- one day would be uh so they'd have certain kind of foods to eat and they'd eat 'em {X} but Wednesday especially I remembered was soup day.
Interviewer:  Wednesday was soup day.
472:  Soup day yeah.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  They call that soup day. {NW} It just I remember hearing 'em talk about soup day Wednesday.
Interviewer:  {C: clears throat} But there wasn't any one particular chore that {NS} you know just a housewife would do or something like that? She always did on Monday?
472:  No I don't remember too much about Monday. {NW} {NS}
Interviewer:  You know when she had all those dirty clothes that had been piling up all the week.
472:  Well {NW} people don't much have 'em now they tend to do that on the sabbath day or Sunday.
Interviewer:  What's that?
472:  Washing.
Interviewer:  {D: What?}
472:  {X} {NS} washing. But uh I don't know if they had any well I reckon some of 'em do keep 'em back to a Monday. Wash day. And then they had a certain day I think they mopped the houses. Sunday furniture and cleaned up.
Interviewer:  I see. {NS}
472:  And some of the women you know likes to change the furniture in the house.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Turn it around abouts you know? And{NW} they get up fuss for their husbands sometime bout that moving that bed. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 I've I #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  heard that I've heard that there
472:  Yeah
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {NW} # They do. {NW}
Interviewer:  Can't seem to make up their mind about it.
472:  No uh sounds funny think about it. S- well I think I was down through life's journey I believe that uh husbands shouldn't be so hard on their wife that they won't you know they're they are they uh are a tight like they like to move things and change things around. And they have it different. {NS} Have different things you know. {NS} And uh some of 'em work real hard. Some of 'em like t- yard work you know. {NS} Some of 'em wouldn't hit a snake in the house. {X} {NS} {NW} {NS} {NW} {NS} I know that's a fact too {NW} {NS} And some of 'em I've I've been in homes where there just {NS} wasn't no house keeper but good cook. Boy we cooked good. Anything they wanna cook {X} then like that otherwise. Seen 'em like that.
Interviewer:  My grandmother's uh getting on up in years but she uh still able to cook pretty well.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Good cook.
472:  Yeah. {NS} My dad lived to be uh I forgot how old {NS} my mother was when she died. But daddy was ninety years old. Ninety years.
Interviewer:  What did uh do- can you remember people around here if they ever called their front porch by any other name?
472:  Well I heard a story about that down through life's journey that they called it a gourd.
Interviewer:  A gourd?
472:  A gourd. {NS} I don't know why that that come about but the man told me they used to call the front porches gourds. Gourds. And I don't know why they would call it a gourd. That's a name that that I never did never did register in my mind that they called it that I- why that they called it that you see. I don't know why they
Interviewer:  Wonder why that is
472:  Gourd. Oh yeah. I know of the I know of a real name now but that they uh have been called pizers Front pizer.
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  Yeah. I've heard of that several times. Front pizer.
Interviewer:  Ever heard it called goward?
472:  Oh yeah. Goward and pizer and uh I think that's about all.
Interviewer:  What's that uh roof made out of {NS} on that you know the Beeseley's house over there?
472:  That's tin.
Interviewer:  It's what?
472:  Uh uh galvanized tin.
Interviewer:  Oh.
472:  {X} Yeah.
Interviewer:  Do you reckon it makes a racket when it rains?
472:  {NW} yeah. But you see there's so much lofting and everything it don't leak too bad. {NS}
Interviewer:  {NS}
472:  Yeah. That's
Interviewer:  Some people like to have a little noise when they go to sleep.
472:  Yeah I like a slow rain. Now I don't like nothing thicker no how. Excuse me. I paid out about twenty-five dollars to get them limbs cut from over mine one day. I don't like nothing beating on there. Uh I don't like e- something dripping off the house on a like a lid or something just throwed under there making a racket. No.
Interviewer:  Pretty aggravating
472:  I get up come in and get out there and move it.
Interviewer:  {NW} You ever see these things that people have on the side of their roof? {NS} You know they'll take the rainwater off?
472:  Them troughs. Yeah. I think they got a new name for their troughs now. We called 'em troughs.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  They I think they call them another name {X}
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  Yeah I I cleaned 'em out over here. People on the streets you know. stopped us. {X}
Interviewer:  Well you know some of these houses that have different slopes of the roof a place where two different slopes would meet like that
472:  That's that's what they call a uh gutter. Call them gutters. {NW}
Interviewer:  I see. You ever been up on a roof having to put on new shingles or anything?
472:  {NW} Oh lord {NS} Yeah. I've been up on that one right there putting a new top on it. Sure did. Teared the other one off {X}
Interviewer:  Beg your pardon
472:  Where where the nail the limb uh big old paper nails?
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  {X} tearing that off getting tear all the way off that lumber
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  {NW} that'll work you boy. You just have to taking a grubbing hole and chop 'em off of there knock 'em off. You know we've had a mess with that. So when we put it back on there and we put we didn't even put no belt {X} we just put the uh tar paper on there right down on the roof on the lumber and then I tarred it and every other year I put tar on it. {X} {NS} Made another one {X}
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  You know on these uh frame houses. They'll have these boards on the outside and they're fixed so that they kinda overlap each other like that? You ever heard that called anything?
472:  Outside sealing or uh weatherboarding. That's uh what that {X} that's the way that one is.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Weatherboarded outside. Now and let's see there's uh oh {NW} weatherboarding's all I've ever heared I've heard about that.
Interviewer:  {X} what about shiplap? You ever heard of that?
472:  No I didn't never learnt that one.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Uh-huh.} #
472:  #2 Ship- # lap.
Interviewer:  I see. Did uh people who lived around here did they ever have any little sheds or places little houses out back where they might keep tools or firewood?
472:  hey yeah. {X} These folks got a little shed back there me and the boy uh we fixed it up nicely and you know somebody come along and throw fire in there one night.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Yeah. And we had to pull the wood. {NW} And it caught fire and it was really burning. Really going. And uh two of the boys from college about one to two o'clock at night they worked from down here at the commons. They come along and uh discovered it. And uh come down here and woke the ladies up. I told her about it. And they took some uh took the little a hose and tried to out it but they couldn't do nothing with it. And it done burned up and burned into the other little house and had to call a firetruck. I woke up and that firetruck coming in here and boy I was upset I got outta here
Interviewer:  I guess so.
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  {X}
472:  Uh we've actually got it out but the wood is some of the wood we had that's hollow under it you know? It had got a fire under it and the water couldn't get to it. Mankind they used a hole tank of water out trying to get that fire out but eventually broke it out and knocked the back end out got it got to where they could get the water to flow. {X}
Interviewer:  Y'all had a little excitement around here.
472:  Sure did for {NS} a while. {X} uh they had to woke up the mighty just the big house apart I reckon
Interviewer:  {NW} {X}
472:  Yeah. The wind's been migh- the wind especially is burning up. Burning high.
Interviewer:  {D: Yes sir.} If I asked you about an expression say if if somebody came into your um {NS} front room and left the door wide open and you didn't want it to stay that way what would tell him to do?
472:  Huh?
Interviewer:  He just walked in left the door wide open.
472:  I would ask him to close it. If it needed to be closed. That's the way I the way I see it. {NS} I'd just ask him to close it.
Interviewer:  Ever heard of people saying anything else? Close it or
472:  Shut the door or
Interviewer:  Shut the door?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Do you think any one was more polite than the other one?
472:  Huh?
Interviewer:  One uh close the door or shut the door would one of those be any more polite than the other one? Nicer way of saying it?
472:  Oh no. {NS} I - I don't think either way it'd amount to anything either way because they both mean the same thing. Close and shut.
Interviewer:  Well tell me around here before people had indoor plumbing {NS} did they have a toilet out back?
472:  Sure right
Interviewer:  What was that called? Well it's called a they call it toilets. Outdoor toilets. Place to go.
472:  You still see those every now and then don't you? Yeah occasionally you do. Of course I had to use one of 'em when I was {X}
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called a outhouse?
472:  Yeah uh some people will call it that but a outhouse is like this little house here. It's what I've always {NS} heard them called. Carry it out to the outhouse.
Interviewer:  alright
472:  Go to the outhouse and get such-and-such.
Interviewer:  Just a little storage place?
472:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  Around here what kind of buildings did people have on their farms?
472:  Just old plain boarded houses most of 'em until things got booming and they got to making a lot of money and then they got to building the nice homes. And sometime I think about seem like the people thinks they gonna stay here forever you know they {NW} build them brick homes and have everything uh look like to last forever if they get it that way. And they spend a lot of money you know what I'm trying to say. They make good money but they spend a lot. And a lot of them making good money they overdo the thing they get these fine homes and it costs so much now 'til uh they'll break down and build up poor man now you see {X} Because they expensive it's too high. They can't. They won't {X}
Interviewer:  #1 Yes sir. #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Where would farmers around here keep their apples? If they want to keep 'em inside somewhere? {NS}
472:  Uh so that they don't allow no more in town. {NS} They have to get out of town.
Interviewer:  Well I mean like if you own a farm
472:  Oh.
Interviewer:  out in the country
472:  Yeah you'd have to have you a barn. A place to store something. Put your grain for {X} to have a barn.
Interviewer:  Do you keep cows in the barn?
472:  Yeah. Yo- they got to where now they uh have these big uh farms. Some of 'em even got dairy farms to keep the cows under 'em {X} and uh so you gonna have to have some uh buildings separate to keep your gain in you know such as corn grills and hay. You got to have some place to put your hay. Either up in a barn loft or make a hay rack.
Interviewer:  What's that?
472:  Uh that's s-put your {X} take down pile the hay around keep piling it around. Piling it around. And then you take your pitchfork pull it down on each side good and uh then when the rain falls on it they won't leave it just a little bit lost. and it'll just come hit that and just drain off you see the way the grass gets out there.
Interviewer:  Is that the same thing as a haystack?
472:  That's what it is a haystack. Haystack. {NS}
Interviewer:  Did y'all ever have any riding animals when you were growing up?
472:  Yeah uh long towards last daddy owned a horse uh and we had something to ride as a boy.
Interviewer:  Do you like to ride horses?
472:  Yeah I used to I wouldn't like to now I don't like it's whatever I used to like to ride.
Interviewer:  If you had a farm out in the country and you had horses where would you keep them inside? Like if you had bad weather?
472:  Well you'd have to have a big pasture and fix a big shed for them to go under. Uh some stalls for them to go in Or you might have to put 'em in the stalls cuz if two or three get in there together and tear it down you have to kinda separate 'em and uh put 'em in like that.
Interviewer:  Was there any s- uh special place on a farm where you'd milk your cows?
472:  Uh nothing but have a barn have a little shed somewhere to put 'em under.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Did y'all ever do much milking? Well we owned a cow all our life. Milk cow. Good milk cow. All our lives and uh was growing up and sometime it come bad weather we didn't have no shed. Just had a big pen and uh just before sundown at at rains it might would stop. Oh it'll stop about time to milk the cow and most of the time it would. And m- white milk. That worked out right.
472:  Yeah. It worked out right. I've noticed that lots.
Interviewer:  Did she ever uh when she was milking the cow say something to it to make it be still?
472:  {X} yeah. Yeah sometimes. Especially in the summertime when the flies are bad and she'd have a time with them flies That cow moving about knocking the flies. {X}
Interviewer:  She wouldn't say anything in particular to it though to
472:  No she wouldn't say anything much. Uh maybe the old cow just swish her tail around and hit her in the face.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Knocking the fly and she get after about that.
Interviewer:  You ever heard people uh say saw to 'em?
472:  Saw yeah! Uh I saw a lady one time had some cows to milk and one of 'em was bad to kick. And uh somehow or another she fastened a put a stick between her her hoofs and I don't know how she managed but she she left that stick bill against her side and it was between her hooves and when uh she tried to kick then she couldn't kick She wouldn't kick.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  When {X} Some of 'em couldn't milk cow won't even make you even milk 'em. hardly unless you put 'em in a bray
Interviewer:  What's that?
472:  That's a place built for them to go in you know? And you got a {NS} you got a little window there to milk 'em by. Now and uh see when one goes to kick you you can jerk your hand by it. Right out of the way That's a bray. If you uh some of 'em you can't milk 'em without having 'em in the bray. Some of 'em whenever you ain't got 'em in a bray if you feed 'em and they eat that feed before you get through milking 'em well that's all of it you don't get no more milk.
Interviewer:  {NW} {NS}
472:  You put more feed in there you know? Some of 'em been has uh trained their calves from little fellers. Small uh to keep 'em away until they get through milking 'em. They have a little stick you know? Bump 'em with it. Keep him back And the calves soon trained that he won't come there if she gets away. And he'll come a running then back to mother. Now maybe some of ems trained to eat with the mother. Before I were to milk 'em. Yeah that's the way to train 'em. Stop {X}
Interviewer:  Did you ever like if a cow was expecting to have a calf any expression that you mi- a farmer might use he might say that cow's gonna
472:  Come fresh. Come fresh. Or she'll be fresh in such-and-such a length of time.
Interviewer:  Right. What were some of the animals that you'd have on the farms around here?
472:  {NW} {NW} the saying is that you ha- you could have a sorry pangs a goat.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  {NW} {NW} Have goats and uh uh cows and horses. And mules. And uh no it ain't no farm got no sheep hardly. I haven't saw no farm with a sheep. Unless they had a place special for them.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  That pasture place that {X} That's about all that I know.
Interviewer:  When you're talking about a herd a cattle what what do people call the male animal?
472:  Well the proper name is beast. A big beast. But I noticed in these days they got to where they say that's big old bull over yonder. Yeah they got a big bull. Old primer bull and a old white-faced bull and all that you know they just come up with it plain.
Interviewer:  In other words it used to be that it wasn't polite to say bull?
472:  Uh no people was mighty careful about how they talked about animals like that. Big old beast. They wouldn't hardly say bull they'd say uh they got a big old beast out there. And that old beast'll fight you something like that they they wouldn't say much about a bull. Or they would hear that word.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  But it's common now you know.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  Yeah. Um
Interviewer:  Well what about horses what'd they call the male horse?
472:  Stallions. The male horses they called 'em stallions.
Interviewer:  Can you remember a time when it wasn't polite to say uh stallion or stud or Uh I've seen a time it wasn't right t- it wasn't plain to say uh stud. We'd say stallion.
472:  Call 'em studs. And I guess they had a reason for that it sounds too plain and too familiar. Stud horse. Uh they call 'em stallions. I guess that's why.
Interviewer:  What about the female what'd they call her?
472:  Well males and females they just call her a female. They wouldn't call her any other name. I don't think.
Interviewer:  Did you ever say mare?
472:  Yeah they call 'em mares yeah they had to name 'em that way mares. Uh instead of female they'd say mare. Stallion and mares and {X}
Interviewer:  I see. You say there weren't uh too many sheep raised around these parts.
472:  No. Sure wasn't. That old place I call we- we'd call Quincy you know? Uh they raised the man out there had some sheep Uh a few sheep at his house in a lot like. The last time I was through there {X} uh the sheep was still there but the old people was dead and gone. The younger generations keep 'em. I like sheep they're pretty things. And they clean and nice.
Interviewer:  What do people usually raise 'em for?
472:  Well you can raise 'em for to sell or you can raise 'em to uh sell the wool. Cut the wool and sell it.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  Shear it what they call shearing you know? Shear the sheep. Certain times of the year.
Interviewer:  Do you remember what people call the male sheep?
472:  Yeah. Called him a ram. {NS}
Interviewer:  It's okay to say that?
472:  And it yeah and it the uh female they call 'em 'em ewes. Old ewes.
Interviewer:  Oh I see.
472:  A- and a and a deer now and a place calling a her any other name they call her a a doe. Call a sheep {X} {X} females {X}
Interviewer:  Yes sir. I see. Have you ever uh been around a farmer when he was calling to his cows to get 'em to come in from the pasture? And he'd just stand out there and holler? Yeah. Yeah. And uh. I saw 'em go in the woods way back yonder they had cattle in the woods people had lots cattle in the woods. Alright. They'd take a um uh salt and bring it out in sacks of salt. And these big logs I was telling you about {X} and they'd they'd pour this salt on them logs and uh on stumps whatever they could find to put it on and holler and those cows'd come from every which way {NW}
472:  just lowing you know. They'd come to get that salt. Yeah. And uh down here to about Atlanta where I used to stay uh it's usually had a lotta cows in the pasture to go about a mile or two down the river a- {X} it's a long ways and he could get out there and holler and just a few times you'd see them cows a coming one right behind the other up a trail. And they'd come 'til they'd get get there to get that feed or salt whatever you had for 'em to eat.
Interviewer:  {X}
472:  But man they were a site to look at coming up that river bank.
Interviewer:  Do you remember what the farmer said when he yelled to 'em?
472:  Well he'd just hoot and holler any way. And they {X}
Interviewer:  Didn't say something like soo cow or something like that?
472:  Uh no he'd just call 'em holler and uh they would uh come. They knew his voice and about the time of the day. And they would come when he hollered. And I remember she hadn't called 'em by no names {X} but they would come.
Interviewer:  Do you remember what he what he sounded like?
472:  {NW} No not hardly. Just his voice.
Interviewer:  Yeah. He was just yelling at 'em.
472:  Yeah yelling. They'd come.
Interviewer:  People used to plow with mules and horses around here didn't they?
472:  That's all. Sure did. They even brought 'em to make gardens with them Stock like that. Mules. Horses And it we had one man here in town that proud- didn't do noth- well there's two or three here in town that didn't do nothing else but garden for people. Come break the land for 'em and lay off the rows if they wanted him to. And uh help 'em every way they could. And then they could handle the rest of it.
Interviewer:  Do you remember what the man would say to his mules when he was plowing with 'em if he wanted 'em to turn?
472:  Gee and haw. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Which was which?
472:  G- uh gee was the right and haw was the left. {X}
Interviewer:  I see. Say if if a man had some horses out in his pasture and he wanted 'em to come to him what would he do or say? Well we used to have a horse. She was blind. We had her in a big pasture and there's a lotta stumps big old stumps that he left out there when he cut the timber long years ago. And we'd {X} get out there and holler come here Molly! And beat on the trough just hit on the trough and she'd stick her head out that way just stick her nose way out ahead over that way and when she'd right one of them stumps we'd say {NW} and she'd stop and turn Every time we'd sh- she knows she gonna hit something you see? {NW}
472:  And I been on and run her out in the woods come to a log and just like one could see.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  All I done is just say {NW} jerk up on the line like that and boy she'd jump And I could run her down a highway and turn her out and run her up a bank. She wouldn't fall down.
Interviewer:  Huh.
472:  Just jerk up on that line and she'd jump up in the air. {X}
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  I don't know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Train her you know.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  And you could be a driving her down the highway and she'd come to a store she'd stop. {NS} She'd sure stop {NS} and then keep on going. She'd smell that store. She'd knowed she'd got to that store.
Interviewer:  That was a smart {X}
472:  Yeah they're smart. Well you take a blind person that makes you think about it. You put 'em in a house and they get used to everything. They get about in there about as good as a man can see I mean you know get everything to where they know where it's at.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  And they know things by touches. They learn it. So that's the way that horse was. She was real good
Interviewer:  You know sometimes when people are feeding their pigs or chickens they'll kinda talk to 'em when they feed 'em?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard what do they say? Uh around here when they're doing that?
472:  {NW} Well I get to talking to these squirrels around here sometime and I call that one down that's got the babies? Come here momma Get you something to eat
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  And uh go out there and get me a {D: cone} and knock 'em together. Come on. Or anything I got in my hand. Come on. Get you something to eat. And here she come. She come a running. You tap whatever it is to eat. Yeah you can train 'em up like that. Sometimes the way she asks me for something to eat she comes and scratch on my screen.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Yeah. Climb on my screen.
Interviewer:  Come ask for it.
472:  and I'd come out there I'd say what are you doing out there anyhow? And she's uh she'd look around see if she could see me through the screen and she'd hang on the screen and I said alright get down I'll go get you something to eat. And she'll jump off on the ground and I'll go on out there and call her and she'll come on out there and get up and come.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Or sometimes she's out there on the ladder and I raise my window in the kitchen and bump on the window with a pecan or something or other and boy she hits the ground and here she come get up that ladder. I had two or three trained like that but they give you a lot of trouble.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
472:  Come too often.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  Yeah. I enjoy fooling with 'em. And the chickens you can train them too. And I tell you the uh real bottom of the whole thing in that line if anything around you your chickens your hogs your cows your dogs or anything you have around you alive whenever you that you're a sinner and return to the Lord every one of 'em knows it. They know it when you surrender to the Lord they know you. They know you was uh nice to 'em. And they'll follow you around. Sure will. Anything like that. They'll follow you around and they they just love you because you good to 'em you see. You won't be harsh on 'em no more. You take these little children out at this {X} run outta the house everyday. It made me wanna cry She shoulda walked to the door or walked in there and said children don't stay in the house like this and play get outside and play. Or whatever they're doing. And uh don't do that no more. And you got to be strict in what you tell 'em tell 'em the truth and they'll learn you to it and they'll love you for it. But if you harsh stomp at 'em all the time well it narrows 'em up and i- they don't know which way to go and what to do about it hardly. But if you'll be real nice to 'em they'll heed more. They'll love you. And you'll love them too. This day and time it just got so rough so many rough one's 'til it it's been bad uh what do you call it on the whole town it's bad.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  I've known 'em here in this town {X} have them high jobs. Man the woman work work work work come in at in the in the in the uh weekends. Well they don't work on Saturday they get everything done as much as they can alright and Sunday morning they done dead or sleep. They sit up late and you know I've known 'em to turn them children out on the street. {NW}
Interviewer:  Yes I have. I've known 'em to turn 'em out on the streets here in Bay Minette And they's little things'd come all over town they go every which way you know the little childs. {X} And {NS} they just turn 'em out {X} {NS} They don't seem to care.
472:  No uh they just they just about dead from sleep you know? And they just turn 'em out where there won't be no racket them little children lay down there in the night and go to sleep. And they get their sleep. Alright and whenever they get up then before daylight uh they wanna get up at daylight. Uh and the parents got to sleep they wanna sleep late. And they're making this much racket. {NW} Until they they'll run 'em out of there.
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  And shut the door. I've heard of that. A lot of places in Bay Minette.
Interviewer:  Okay you were talking about uh talking to your squirrels. You ever heard people like if they're feeding pigs say here piggy piggy piggy piggy something like that?
472:  Yeah. Yeah call the pig. And uh they'll come. {NS}
Interviewer:  How w- how would they say that? Was it uh
472:  Well some of 'em call a {NS} {X} you know in that way. And some of 'em will talk low calling pigs. And uh and they you can train them by beating on the trough and they'll come from every direction to that trough when they hear that. They know you got something for 'em to eat.
Interviewer:  What about chickens? What would they say to their chickens?
472:  Uh they'd just call him by his right name. I reckon. Call him chicky chicky chicky and yeah they come.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Here they come.
Interviewer:  You know that uh sound that a horse makes? What would you say it it was doing {X}
472:  When it blows his nose?
Interviewer:  Uh yeah something like that.
472:  Yeah that's what they do.
Interviewer:  You say listen to that horse
472:  Snort.
Interviewer:  Snort.
472:  Yeah. Yeah snort or blowing his nose. {NW}
Interviewer:  In fact is that the same thing as a whinny or whicker?
472:  No a whicker's different. He's got a squealing noise he makes when he whickers. Yeah. He d- he don't do that either. He just whickers.
Interviewer:  What is that for? How does he feel when he's uh
472:  Well that's that his mating noise
Interviewer:  #1 Oh. #
472:  #2 mostly. #
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  Or some of 'em'll whicker uh learn to whicker for feed too. Get your attention. And then they see another horse they answer. And the other one'll answer him back {X} more alike. If they'll answer one another that way. And she'll whicker for her colt. Be in the other pa- part of the pasture and she work 'til that colt comes.
Interviewer:  {D: Uh-huh.}
472:  And uh get his dinner whatever it is.
Interviewer:  Did you ever heard uh a calf make a kind of a what would you say he does?
472:  Bleat? Call it bleating I reckon.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. {X}
472:  Sometime they'll uh have a moaning kind of a groan you know?
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  Old cows will groan for the calves. And the calves come when they groan to 'em. Really.
Interviewer:  We were talking about male and female animals what about the when a hog gets full grown you know a full-grown male hog? What would you call him?
472:  {NW} His proper name's boar. Big old boar hog or whatever you must say it
Interviewer:  There's
472:  Large one. And uh but then they call 'em males. Big male.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. {NS} I see. Can you get w- when one's uh just after it's born when it's real small you'd call that a
472:  Call you'd call him {X} just a little s- little small male. Uh it was so many males so many sows.
Interviewer:  Or just a little pig or
472:  Yeah when they're little pigs. So many.
Interviewer:  Is there something in between a a little pig and a full-grown one? Just a little larger than a pig you call him something else?
472:  Yeah. Yeah you call him {D: shoats} {X}
Interviewer:  About how big does he have to get before he's a
472:  Oh about uh thirty twenty-five thirty pounds I reckon. He getting up there. Oh I say twenty pounds.
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  {D: Shirley pig you know.} {D: Called him Shirley pig!}
Interviewer:  {D: Shirley pig.}
472:  {D: Yeah. Shirley pig.} He gets on up there and then they call him big {D: shopes}.
Interviewer:  Right. What about females? What do you call those? {NS}
472:  Well you'd they what?
Interviewer:  A female hog?
472:  Oh call them sows. Sows.
Interviewer:  You ever seen these {NS} um {NS} male hogs that had these old long uh
472:  {X} Tushes? Yes sir. I've saw 'em that long.
Interviewer:  Around six inches? {NS}
472:  Yeah. Saw the whole tooth. {NW} Two of 'em I forgot where that was too. {NS} I'd like to get hold to some of them things they're sure something. {NS} You know wild hogs they go I mean they'll be wild if it's very big {NS} {X} {NS} wild like you know. {NS} And them old wild boars will cut the uh {NS} walk up to a pine sapling {NS} like that and just cut the bark off of it with them tushes
Interviewer:  What'll do that?
472:  That them hogs. {NS} {X} Yeah there's one with {NS} yeah. {NS} I can sh- carry you down here on the {X} {NS} back in on them ridges {NS} and they don't build beds like these {NS} tame hogs. And wild and so on. They just {NS} build a just a little old common bed. They don't they don't build no big fine beds like these {X} used to. Just a little old flat place to lie.
Interviewer:  I see. I guess when you had hog-killing time you had to uh get those stiff hairs off their back uh
472:  Oh yes put 'em in {X} and water
Interviewer:  Yeah.
472:  took all of it off. You had to scrape it off. {X} But if you have your water too hot you about to know about that too if you get your water too hot you're set to have it. And that's all of it then. {NS} Might'n you have to skin the hog.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
472:  When you set the hair to th- aft- you can't get it off unless you cut it off.
Interviewer:  Oh.
472:  Like a razor you know.
Interviewer:  That's called sitting the hairs.
472:  Alright. {NS} Yeah. {NS} And uh you can't get it out cause it won't come out. It's done set. And you cut it off then with a sharp knife well it's still in that skin some people like to eat that skin you know when they fry the meat.
Interviewer:  Yes sir. {NS}
472:  So you near about got the skin in those pieces. You set the hair before you have it all the hair out of it.
Interviewer:  Right. {NS} You ever heard of people call those stiff hairs anything in particular?
472:  Yeah. Bristles.
Interviewer:  Bristles.
472:  Bristles. Yeah. {NS} Call them bristles. Yeah I heard 'em say that hog's mad look at his bristles.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Standing up.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  That's about right
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
472:  #2 {X} # And they bristles'll come up. {NS} Specially if a dog comes around. {NS}
Interviewer:  Don't like those dogs huh?
472:  Oh they'll take a dog around like that. {NW} If you ever catch a little pig where that old sow is you gonna see something too she gonna make you throw that pig down. {NW} You wished you hadn't.
Interviewer:  {NW} They'll be getting after you huh?
472:  When that pig squeal you better be doing something. Getting outta the way.
Interviewer:  {NW} You were telling me the other day about a place where you could store potatoes and
472:  Yeah
Interviewer:  Could you tell me about that again?
472:  Well yeah You can uh it it'll be well you wouldn't need a long big bank if you just raised a few like I do every now and then. Um just make a little round bank call it a little round potato bank and fix it up so you can cover 'em up in the winter. {NS} Where they won't freeze. And then you can build a little house {D: concern} about oh I'd say fourteen-inches high and then build you a top on it. Get you a good roof on it. Put your straw in there and then you can um cut to bring you some straw then and get in there and cover 'em. Good and deep with that straw. And uh used to you use 'em then you see you scratch the straw off of 'em and throw it out. Just keep keep scratching out. Until you get 'em all out.
Interviewer:  What did you call that place?
472:  Call that a a potato hill or a a little round one you call a potato hill. Then a then a long one they call 'em potato banks.
Interviewer:  {X}
472:  Big bank of 'em you know?
Interviewer:  Yes sir.
472:  It's called potato house.
Interviewer:  I see.
472:  Yeah I've heard my uncle say look in the tater house and get such-and-such out of there somebody's laid something in there or something-or-other. Now go up to that tater house and get your momma some taters.
Interviewer:  {NW} {NW}
472:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What different kinds of potatoes did you grow?
472:  Well I always grow uh mostly white ones. And uh then I then I like red ones. I'd grow grow both kinds when I grow 'em. I have both kinds. The white ones and the red ones the red ones you get sweet quicker. But the if it's your last the white ones are way better than the red ones. And you put that potato in that stove cook it that {NS} candy comes out of it. And get that butter. Good old home-raised butter I call it. You got something to work {X}
Interviewer:  Are those white ones the same as Irish potatoes?
472:  No yeah they they white just like Irish potatoes. Or they long. Long. But they not they just taste different from Irish potatoes. {X} {NS} {NS}
Interviewer:  Those red ones are those sweet potatoes?
472:  Yeah they call a lotta the red ones Jersey Sweets. There's Jersey Sweets and then they have a {NS} bunch a potato they call they call 'em bunch a potatoes. And then they have uh Puerto Rican then they have uh {NS} nigger-killer.
Interviewer:  A what?
472:  Nigger-killer. {NS}
Interviewer:  I've never heard of that.
472:  Well you oughta have some I mean I wish you could have some and taste a
Interviewer:  It's a type of
472:  #1 I can #
Interviewer:  #2 potato? #
472:  Yeah That's the sweetest potato you can eat.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
472:  Nigger-killers call 'em.
Interviewer:  I wonder why they call 'em that.
472:  I don't know why they call 'em that. But when you get 'em they uh I reckon the reason yeah why they call 'em that they so dry. And you about you near about crumble 'em up they're so dry.
Interviewer:  Is
472:  #1 When you #
Interviewer:  #2 that right? #
472:  cook 'em. yeah That's right.
Interviewer:  Huh.
472:  But sweet. Oh they sure are. They young just like other potatoes. But they they call 'em nigger-killers.
Interviewer:  Interesting.
472:  Now I reckon there's just somebody named 'em long years ago maybe they after something-or-another. I don't why they named 'em like that. Nigger-killers.
Interviewer:  Well what do you reckon uh I notice that you referred to those people the darkies one time what do you reckon they prefer to be called nowadays?
472:  Oh they they call 'em black people now black. By the noun that's right people.
Interviewer:  But if you wanted to get one upset you'd call him a
472:  Well now I've been told by a nigger. A negro. Uh he said I'll tell you what about it. He says we we says we black people says we got we have niggers {NS} with us. {NS} Says we are negroes but says there are niggers. {NS} He said we don't want y'all to call us niggers. Says we hate a nigger. Now that's what that one told me one time.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  Said we hate them say they are so mean. Said we just don't like 'em said we don't want to be called that and other people does call us all niggers. Says {X} It's negroes and there are niggers. And uh it put a thought to my mind there. You know where's some of 'em is real dark real black. And uh now I sure can't with the black one over here and {X} Used to be my buddy up at the mill you know. When I was {NS} not watching up. {NS} Now he is just as nice as he can be. But anyhow they they are uh they don't wanna be called that them other kind. They'd rather you wouldn't call 'em niggers. Just call 'em darkies or colored people or something. So you won't upset 'em more. Well you can't blame 'em in a way I reckon {NW} He got a point there.
Interviewer:  You ever heard 'em call each other nigger?
472:  Yes sir I sure have. Had a lotta fun there at that mill. One time there was three I'd call 'em good-looking colored women come {NS} in there to the mill come down the mill yard. They was going down to visit a house somewhere down there. And there's two or three of these men {X} out there. He was one of 'em. And there's two more there with us at the lumber ramp. And one of 'em says to 'em said do you know what them good-looking girls coming yonder good-looking women. Says yeah. And uh one of 'em says oh no I mi- I mi- might not need to put this on {X}
Interviewer:  No that's okay we can talk about you doing this
472:  {NW} One of 'em says to the other say Lord! Said I'd swim the Atlantic for that yonder {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {NW} # And uh so
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  So and he done and said it. Nigga! {NW} Said wh- what you doing? Said that's my wife! {NW} That's my wife!
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {X} # There wasn't no kin to it.
Interviewer:  They said the wrong thing.
472:  Yeah but he he but he wasn't no kin they wasn't no kin they was tra- strangers I think. But he told him he said that's my wife. He just done that you know? Course he told his {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  I reckon {X} scared the other one.
472:  You know if us white people'd have fun like them you know I {X} They really like a lotta {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
472:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  And they'll meet one another's wife out there and just talk to her you know and won't call her honey and all that stuff.
Interviewer:  Goodness.
472:  Yeah they just have a big time.
Interviewer:  {NW} Have you ever heard you know of a
472:  {NW}
Interviewer:  of a say a a racially-mixed couple maybe one white one black if they'd have a child what that child would be called?
472:  Uh just a mixed-breed.
Interviewer:  Mixed-breed?
472:  Mixed-breed. Or mulatto have you ever heard that?
Interviewer:  I hate to say that but we got that right here. Oh here in Bay Minnette?
472:  Well right above here. And there was two come out I think got married at the courthouse or two could get married and they wouldn't marry 'em.
Interviewer:  Oh really?
472:  I believe that's the way it was. Yeah. That's what I heard.
Interviewer:  {NW} It used to be unheard of didn't it?
472:  Yeah. I don't I wouldn't like I wouldn't want to {X} mix like that. I I was I'd rather not do that. {X}
Interviewer:  I guess it'd make it kind of hard on the child.
472:  I know it does. In the future it would. You know it would. Yeah. Sure would. But you see Satan's working. Satan just does anything you know uh you just get right in a person and they gonna do anyway he wants 'em to. And that's what that some people do things that a way just to get revenge. And the Bible says the vengeance is mine I will repay thee says the Lord when I come. He take care of all of that revenge. {X} do things {X} for revengeance
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
472:  #2 That's #
Interviewer:  what?
472:  So that I don't believe there's much you can mention or talk about unless it's a reason for it. We'd find a reason for it.
Interviewer:  Talking about names for people have you ever heard a colored man if he got mad at a white man he might call him something or if he was joking about it?
472:  Uh yeah. Some t- yeah a lotta people carried on a lotta junk and foolishness. {NS} And call 'em a one old satchel banks And uh first one who was jumping another but when he comes right down to the test then they they talk right about it you know they won't call one another you know?
Interviewer:  Ever ever heard the word peckerwood used?
472:  Yeah
Interviewer:  The so-and-so was just an old peckerwood?
472:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What does that mean?
472:  Uh well he just like an old bird flying around making noise the tree or something I reckon. {NS} {D: That's the} way I'd see that.
Interviewer:  Would that be uh an insulting term
472:  #1 Yeah! #
Interviewer:  #2 to call # somebody or
472:  Uh yeah it'd be kinda {X} old peckerwood you. Uh old knotted-head or something like that you know. Call 'em old names like that. Well it's a kind of a {D: by-word.) But there's a scripture on that. Me and you will have to give an account according to God's word of every foolish word we talk. Every foolish word we got to give an account for at judgment day. Other words our light is what counts with God. If it's not in his presence it's all booked against us the way I see the scriptures. And judgment day comes up. And whichever way it is is what's going to be before you. Other words I'm I'm a doing my judgment right now. I I'm I'm in my judgment right now. {NS} And uh if it's a good judgment I'll be judged good but if it's bad judgment I'll be I'll be condemned. That's right that's the way it go. Well I hear 'em say just one way to the pearly gates and that's the right way. Somebody say how's that? I say well it's just the right way.
Interviewer:  {NW} {NS}
472:  So just one way and that's right.
Interviewer:  You know when uh sometimes when people who live out in the country come into town maybe on Saturday or something like that to to do business? Sometimes you'll see the people who live in town in town kinda poke fun at 'em behind their back?
472:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 Because #
472:  they look a little different or talk a little different? Yeah. Well there's where the pride comes in
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard 'em call 'em anything say just look at him he's no
472:  {D: Slots} or yeah, old slots. You know he can do better than that and all that you know? {X} Well there's reasons to all things. A lot of 'em can do better but there ain't no use talk about 'em right away you just try to {NS} condemn him {NS} always you meet people like that you give 'em a smile and uh talk good to 'em. {X} And stay clean before. That's what kinda {X} but now a lot of 'em stay clean before me then talk about me cuz I don't go clean or something-or-another they always see what the trouble is behind that. Yeah. Not not not t- talk about the
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard 'em call well he's just an old country hick or old country hoosier or something like
472:  Yeah that's right. He's just an old country hoosier. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Ever ever heard the word redneck used?
472:  Redneck.
Interviewer:  Redneck. He's an old redneck.
472:  No.
Interviewer:  Never heard a that
472:  Yeah once or twice that just you know it just he's just a old redneck yeah. An old redheads and uh old sandy head you know all that.
Interviewer:  {NW}
472:  No good.
Interviewer:  Right.
472:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
472:  {X}
Interviewer:  Talking about a working class white man uh the man that he works for he'd say that's my
472:  Oh {X} well that's you talking about like I'd talk about my my uh uh office man?
Interviewer:  Or when you answer your call
472:  Uh yeah my boss. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh let's see I'd be his employee or what.
Interviewer:  What about a a working class black man whose man that he works for he'd say that's my {C: silence}