Interviewer:  So you say you were born just right across the county line then?
490:  In Gibson County
Interviewer:  #1 Yes #
490:  #2 yes # How bout twenty-five thirty miles in Milan.
Interviewer:  In Milan?
490:  Milan. It's uh
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah always #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  As a mat- that reminds me of yesterday I was looking at the uh the paper and there was some sorta ad there for a clothing store named Frankie's or something like that have you ever heard of that?
490:  In Milan? Uh-huh it's um casual.
Interviewer:  Casual.
490:  Mm casual clothes.
Interviewer:  Well it looked
490:  #1 Jeans and things. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: interesting} mm-hmm # And I thought I might
490:  Yeah and that that's in Gibson County.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Milan's the county seat.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. I can figure it was in the uh it was in the no The Martin Paper.
490:  Yeah
Interviewer:  I can't figure out whether it was in Martin or where whether {D: Milan} was the name of a street.
490:  #1 No {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Like what # {NW}
490:  #1 Damn. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # I had to get out my map
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 and check that out. # And you only you were only in Gibson County for about
490:  #1 ten days you said you were {D: born}? #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  My father was uh in World War Two and he was in England at the time and my mother was living with my grandparents
Interviewer:  #1 who #
490:  #2 Mm. # lived right up the street here. This was all my grandfather's farm.
Interviewer:  Oh.
490:  And my dad took that and and bought it from my grandfather and developed it into a subdivision. And then when Don and I when Don got out of the service then we came back to Dresden and built and been here ever since.
Interviewer:  So this was developed uh how long ago?
490:  Oh about ten twelve years ago I think but there were of course we- we're only been here about five years.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Five years this month matter of fact.
Interviewer:  I see so other than that very brief period you've been
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 you've been you were {D: newer} raised #
490:  #1 Right. #
Interviewer:  #2 for our greater purposes #
490:  #1 Right. Here. #
Interviewer:  #2 here in {X} county. #
490:  That's right. I've only lived when Don was in the service. That's the only time I've ever lived out of the county.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  When I- I went to school at Martin so.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  I've always been.
Interviewer:  What about what about your parents? Are they from this area?
490:  My mother's from Jackson. Which is Madison County. You know where that is? {X}
Interviewer:  That's Jackson. Jackson Tennessee.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And then my father of course was born here.
Interviewer:  Your father was born in Dresden?
490:  Uh-huh. Out in the country.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  A place called Dawson Story. {NW}
Interviewer:  Dawson.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Dawson Story. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Yeah {X}.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  But uh they moved. Then my grandparents moved to town and built this house up here at the end of the street in nineteen thirty-three.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And my grandfather just passed away this past February. He was eighty-seven.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  He would've been an interesting man for you to have
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah #
490:  #2 interviewed. #
Interviewer:  I know. I love to do the the uh the older
490:  I
Interviewer:  people.
490:  taped some of his tales and
Interviewer:  #1 Is that right? #
490:  #2 everything. # Uh we started doing it a couple three years ago and sorta make a tape library you know
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 cause he could # he had a tale for everything.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
490:  You know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  {X} he was really an interesting man but he woulda been eighty-seven. My grandmother passed away a couple years ago and she she woulda she was eighty-two when she died so. Had longevity. I hope that last.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah. {C: laughing} That's always encouraging
490:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  thing to to find if you investigate that sorta thing. Now that that grandfather. Is that your on your father
490:  #1 Yeah. uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 or is that? #
490:  My on my father's side.
Interviewer:  On your father's side.
490:  Mm-hmm. My mother's parents uh lived in Madison County. He was a big farmer in Madison county. And he was sixty-five years old when um {C: loud telephone ringing} {NS}
Interviewer:  So you say your grandfather on your mother's side was from
490:  #1 Uh-huh #
Interviewer:  #2 Madison County. #
490:  #1 and {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Was that Jack- uh #
490:  In Jackson.
Interviewer:  In Jackson.
490:  #1 Uh-huh #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  And she grew up in Jackson but then her parents died when she was was a teenager. She was thirteen when her mother died and fifteen when her father died. Her father was an elderly man. Like I said he was sixty-five when she was born.
Interviewer:  I- is this your grandmother or your mother?
490:  That's m- my mother's
Interviewer:  #1 {X} your mother's #
490:  #2 m- parents #
Interviewer:  I see okay. and so they were both from the same county.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Wh- what did you grandfather do for a living on your mother's side?
490:  On my mother's side he was a farmer.
Interviewer:  A farmer. Was she a house wife? Or what?
490:  My grandmother?
Interviewer:  Right. {X}
490:  Uh. She had been an old maid school teacher I think. #1 She didn't #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right? #
490:  marry until she was about forty-two or forty three and then um I hear the baby.
Interviewer:  {NW} go ahead.
490:  I'll get him and I'll be right.
Interviewer:  Oh hello.
490:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 You're not # old enough to talk to me yet are ya? You're {D: very rude}. {NW}
490:  Nah he's just six months old Sunday. Now I got you some stuff to play with here.
Interviewer:  What's his name?
490:  Name is Benjamin.
Interviewer:  Benjamin.
490:  We call him Ben.
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  Don't I had uh two great-grandfathers on my mother's side named Benjamin.
Interviewer:  Is that #1 right? #
490:  #2 My # grandmother's maternal grandfather and her paternal grandfather were both named Benjamin. And so we liked the name so we pass it down. We're a family that names #1 so you keep the same names generation after generation. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} Mm-hmm #
490:  I was named for my grandmother so and we we have another son who's eight and he's named for his daddy.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And we've got juniors and {NW} threes and fours all through the #1 family. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. # And that was Polly Beth two words. {C: is this her name?}
490:  #1 Uh-huh #
Interviewer:  #2 Alright. Okay. # You don't you don't cause your mother much trouble do you?
490:  No sir say I am a fine fella.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  The only problem I have is ear infections. I've had to take him up to the doctor at least once a month to the pediatrician in Jackson for ear infections. #1 The doctor says #
Interviewer:  #2 Ah. #
490:  his tubes are so small that any time he gets any kind of drainage at all instead of draining like you know like it normally would then it settles in his tubes and causes infections.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that the first trouble that you've had? #
490:  #2 All kinds of problems. Mm-hmm. # But that started when he was two weeks old so we
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  It's really the only thing we've had but it's been a constant thing {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Yeah Yeah. #1 {D: We better keep going} #
490:  #2 {D: We better keep going} # He thank ya I'm about half asleep.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Which is alright. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Got hot back there.
Interviewer:  Well what do you know anything about uh your grandfather's education? How far he got in school. Or your mother's side?
490:  The one on my mother's side had a high school education.
Interviewer:  A high school education.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And what about his wife?
490:  Um. She had some college but I don't know how much higher education she had because I know that she was a school teacher. And she I assume that it was not like you know we have to go and get certificates and everything. I but I I don't know exactly how much. I don't think that she had graduated.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. Do you know where she went to school? #
490:  #2 from college. #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Went together} #
490:  #2 No I don't. # Uh. My all that's sorta hazy {D: because} {C: baby} Ben, cuz my my mother doesn't know a lot about it cuz she was so young
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
490:  #2 and all she knows is what # and all of her other family were elderly people. I mean of course her mother and father were older when she was born.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm #
490:  #2 And um # she had two other well she has a sister that lives down in Florida. But she had uh a brother and sister and both of them died of diphtheria when they were when she was not you know not even born then when that happened. So she had she doesn't really has not told me a lot about them I don't think she really knows a lot. #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  But th- her um her father had been married before and his wife had died in childbirth. And then he courted my grandmother and I have a lot of his letters and everything. He was an educated man you can tell by these #1 from his #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  his writing.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And um very interesting things. A lot she has a lot of his old deeds and everything like that. And uh he was um an interesting story that he used to tell her is when he w- in eighteen sixty-five when uh s- um Union soldiers marched through Madison County he was five years old. He was born in eighteen sixty. And um he said he hung on the gate
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 you know and watched the soldiers go by #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 it was an exciting thing to him. #
Interviewer:  I'll bet.
490:  But uh it's really miraculous to me that a man be that old you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Born eighteen sixty what would he be? A hundred and seventeen years old.
Interviewer:  Right.
490:  My grandfather. That's really you know. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Yeah I was uh I was suppo- I was gonna try to interview an old black man in {D: Dallasburg} who claimed he was a hundred and eight. I don't know whether he was or not but uh.
490:  I wouldn't doubt it. We've got a an old man in town that people say that he's over a hundred and he just moseys around.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  That's about all
490:  #1 Yeah {D: I know} {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: you can do} {C: laughing} #
490:  #1 But he's still up walking around and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} Uh-huh. # That is that is something. Well what about uh your your other grandparents on your father's side? Where were they from?
490:  They were from Dresden. Um.
Interviewer:  #1 Both of them? #
490:  #2 My- uh-huh. # My uh grandmother was sixteen when she married and my grandfather was twenty-one. And they had uh four children and I had uh two aunts and an uncle. And there were two boys and two girls in the family and my father is the um third child. And but um my one of my aunts is has passed away. She died three or four years ago. And they lived out north of town out here. And then when they um he always farmed but then when he moved up here he built a grocery store up here on Greenfield Highway. #1 This is your grandfather? #
Interviewer:  #2 And he ran uh-huh #
490:  and he ran a grocery store {C: baby noises} for years. {C: baby noises} And he was a horse trader and he built and horses and then did some farming and mostly rented out the land though after a while after {C: baby noises} oh. Oh when in his fifties and sixties I think he re- rented all his land on the other side of the highway. Here on back to the woods over there and then all the way to the Martin Highway was his. All this area here.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  And he farmed it and {C: baby noises} cut timber off of it and ran a grocery store.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Any idea of how far along he got in school? {C: baby noises}
490:  Eighth grade I think. {C: baby noises} And so did my grandmother. My grandmother had eighth grade they had to they lived out in the country and the only school around here was at at Dresden at that time and that's about oh seven eight miles I guess. And he always said I always asked him why he didn't go to high school and he said well it wasn't worth it in the first place. #1 {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  It wasn't worth it he had to ride {NW} A- A- A- A w- a ride a mule I think he said or walk to school so he just decided
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  it was easier not to do it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah. Well he's got a point there.
490:  {NW} Well I don't know that anymore they {X} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Most of most of the older people I talked to you know uh Have about that uh that much education. You know you just went up to a certain point and then they had to go home
490:  #1 Mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  #2 you know and help out on the farm. # That was uh that w- that just happened to be how the priorities
490:  #1 W- Well that's true. #
Interviewer:  #2 were set up. # Well let's see was she uh was she a housewife you'd say
490:  #1 My grandmother? Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 or? Mm. #
490:  Raising babies mostly. {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} That is a job.
490:  Yes it is.
Interviewer:  And my mother had to raise three boys. Pity her.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # What your your parents let's see your uh. You say there were your was it your mother or your father who was from um Jackson?
490:  My mother.
Interviewer:  #1 Your mother was from Jackson. Right. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  And your father was from
490:  Dresden.
Interviewer:  Dawson's.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  That's my grandma and grand daddy lived out there. That's where my gran- my daddy was born out in Dawson Store.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh {C: baby noises}
490:  But then when that- he was born in nineteen twenty and uh they moved to Dresden when he was thirteen.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And they had new house up here and they were all proud of the new house and daddy stepped off the back porch and broke his leg and missed the whole eighth grade. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 {NW} # He wa- tha- that was the first day they moved into the house. He stepped off the back porch and broke his leg in two places.
Interviewer:  Gosh.
490:  Had hard luck. {NW}
Interviewer:  That reminds me of professor of mine who make who makes uh an annual trip to England right after school's out {C: laughing}. She you know one leg out of the out of the uh school house door
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: though were all ran for the plane} # But uh she had just gotten off the plane in London she fell and broke her leg.
490:  #1 Oh me #
Interviewer:  #2 that's kind of #
490:  #1 That's terrible. #
Interviewer:  #2 Terrible time of it. Mm-hmm. #
490:  #1 Hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Was uh # Let's see your father what what did he do f- or what does he do for a living?
490:  Uh he is a a contractor.
Interviewer:  Contractor.
490:  He owns a contracting business in Jackson. We're {C: baby noises} connected to Jackson a lot even though it's sixty miles from here. Daddy has a business down there and my husband works at this business. It's um with Kaiser Aluminum and uh they supply sand and and building products and everything {C: baby noises} round western west Tennessee. {C: baby noises} Here chew on this while you're cramming that down your throat {D: slogging all up} {D: Man} I'm cutting teeth.
Interviewer:  Oh boy.
490:  Got to have something to chew on.
Interviewer:  {NW} {X} Is this uh is the contract- contracting done for uh private residences or?
490:  No it's mostly just um we- b- until year before last he owned an asphalt plant.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And did asphalt work but then he sold the plant and now he's uh supplies sand for the businesses on a a part of a river and I don't know what the name of the river is little bitty
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 thing runs through there. # And they they pump sand out of the back waters that he owns the land around it and they it's just it's a sand plant. #1 And then they #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  they pump the sand up with a barge and everything and then they have a sand plant that refines it and everything and they sell that for mortar sand and then for you know for um um buildings #1 and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Gotcha gotcha. {C: baby noises} #
490:  And um uh they have different grades of sand you know concrete sand and oth- other kinds. And then they also have a dealership in Kaiser aluminum pipe. And my brother is in the pipe end of it and Don will mostly just, my husband, just sorta oversees the whole thing he's a
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
490:  #2 manager. {C: baby noises} # And my daddy's tryna retire a little bit and not doing too just cannot give it up.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  He went to um he graduated from UT Knoxville and that was around nineteen forty-one I think. And then he went into the service and when he came back out of the service he taught veterans over at U-T and carried the mail and did a little bit of everything else tryna make ends meet. {C: baby noises} And then in the late fifties he was selling heavy equipment and he got into this contracting business and asphalt and everything with another man and then they dissolved the partnership and and Daddy stayed on in the business {NS}
Interviewer:  Did he s- uh did you say he started this business {C: motor}
490:  Uh-huh
Interviewer:  #1 himself? #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. # It's his own and uh {NS} Mother went to school at Martin. They met over at Martin oh dear when it was the junior college.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 Oh you just # cannot imagine all the tales that we've heard. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Tell me some. {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 Oh um. {C: laughing} # Well of course Daddy was on a football scholarship at over Martin and he thought that he was really tough
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 you know. # And he thought that everybody else would think that he was #1 really tough. {C: baby noises} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  And uh mother
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Oh brother} #
490:  #2 had um # {NW} Mother said that he would do all kinds of things to get attention like wear one sock one color and one sock you know when they wore the argyle socks and everything you know he'd have one striped sock on once
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 and one # with polka dots on #1 it or something #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  you know so when he crossed his legs his pants came up that everybody you know would
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  notice because of his socks and or just anything you know you you-. He just thought that he was just the greatest thing. That uh {NS} M- mother's when my mother's parents died she had gone to boarding school in Nashville and um they wanted her to go to college in Nashville but she talked them into c- her guardians {C: baby noises} she talked them into coming to Martin and the first day that she was down here she met Daddy and he tried to impress her on every way
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 that he could # he could not understand why she was not falling at his #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 feet like everybody else. #
490:  But uh there's just all kinds of things that he did to try to get her attention #1 and everything #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  and finally i- it didn't take very long
Interviewer:  #1 Right. #
490:  #2 at all obviously # because they were married at the end of that year.
Interviewer:  Is that right? Well he was pretty successful.
490:  Yes {X} and then they went to Knoxville.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And th- he was a a sophomore at that time {C: baby screams} it was junior college then so they went then they went to Knoxville. And w- that w- right before the war broke out I guess. Forty-one yeah. And uh then he went to stationed in England for the duration. I was eight months old when when he was the first time he saw me. {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  She finished her college education?
490:  No she just went to th- uh she just has one year of college.
Interviewer:  And what what about her occupation
490:  #1 She's a housewife #
Interviewer:  #2 housewife or? #
490:  and a run around.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # All she does is sitting on ready all the time any time Daddy wants to go any place Daddy travels a lot. I think sometimes I wonder whether it all {D: makes sense} they did an awful lot of traveling down the coast {C: baby screaming}.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 You know. # And uh sometimes I wonder whether all that's necessary but Mama says she goes besi- she goes with Daddy to drive. Because she it makes him so tired you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  But she enjoys it you know she gets a vacation. And they they travel a lot I mean s- every winter they uh pick some place different to go. They Puerto Rico this past
Interviewer:  #1 Oh that's nice. #
490:  #2 February. # So they just you know they're enjoying life.
Interviewer:  #1 Well that's good. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  That's good. Well what about uh let's see. Oh your husband. How old is your husband?
490:  He's thirty-two. {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  And you're how old by the way?
490:  Thirty-two. We're went to started out in first grade together. We claimed each other in the first grade.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Uh yeah I remember that uh about the second half of the first grade I got chased around behind the lunch room and kissed by Donald. First time when I was in the #1 first grade #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh that started #
490:  #1 I couldn't stand him then. #
Interviewer:  #2 it huh? # {NW}
490:  And I couldn't stand him 'til we got to Junior High. And then um he was so bashful that he hardly ever spoke to anybody or girls. #1 Boys you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
490:  But uh he was a basketball player and he was a all-state basketball player when he was in high school. {C: baby noises} And course we went to high school together but I was preoccupied with something else and so was he. And but we started going together when we were seniors in c- in high school. And then he had {C: baby noises} #1 Um #
Interviewer:  #2 What high school was it? #
490:  Hmm?
Interviewer:  What high school was it?
490:  Dresden.
Interviewer:  Dresden.
490:  High school uh-huh. And then um he had several scholarship offers different places. And I was going to Knoxville until it got right down to the nitty-gritty. And he was ed- Um had scholarship offers from two or three different schools and Martin was one of them but we decided we just couldn't give it up. {NW} So I decided to go to Martin and he got a scholarship over there and he graduated there and in sixty-seven.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And I well both of graduated in sixty-seven. And he was in advanced R-O-T-C so he went into the service second lieutenant. And um. {C: baby crying} Oh Ben you getting hungry? And we um he went to jump school {C: baby noises} and was in um air trooper school for oh I do- I don't know for a while course Vietnam was raging then.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And it was just an inevitability that he was going. So um after well let's see that was in sixty-seven and sixty-eight. Sixty-eight he went to Vietnam and I stayed here and started working on my Masters over at Martin.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And um while he was gone he was gone and uh about four weeks after he left I discovered that we were going to have an addition to our family. And that's when Don came along. And I stayed here while Don was gone and we had the Junior and I lived with my mother and father. And then um he- Don and our son our eight year old was four months old when Donald first saw him for the first time. So I said history repeats itself there my father was #1 you know {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah yeah. #
490:  And then along comes my first one. And then we waited a while before we had this one. About seven and a half years #1 matter of fact. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right? #
490:  But Don's parents are from Dresden that, well, originally from Palmersville which is that's a dot on the map.
Interviewer:  Is that in uh {D: Weeker} county?
490:  Uh-huh. It's right on the edge of right before you into Kentucky. #1 Let's see it's East Palmersville. #
Interviewer:  #2 You say {D: that's} Palmersville? #
490:  P-A-L-M-E-R-S
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  V-I-L-L-E And um both his parents are from out there it's really number one number one district. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh I see. {C: baby noises} #
490:  Okay. It's between {D: Palmersville and Laythom high- Laythom} and all that boonies out there I don't know. And uh his parents were were both from out there and Don has two brothers and one of them is one that's just is he's a career man service and they're just home this week
Interviewer:  Right.
490:  After three years in Germany.
Interviewer:  Gotcha.
490:  And um they lived out there for a long time till Donald of course was already born and everything when they moved to Dresden. But I mean he was not born when they moved to Dresden but their first child was little when they lived out. I don't know why they moved to town. Um.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I guess he I don't know really what his occupation was before he {NS} Oh Ben. {C: baby crying} I'm gonna give him #1 something to eat. {C: baby crying} #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. #
490:  {D: Man} Ready to go.
Interviewer:  {NW} That hit the spot?
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you think about those carrots?
490:  #1 Say well they're #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  pretty good.
Interviewer:  {D: Big} like you're thinking about it.
490:  His favorite is get this vegetables, egg noodles, and beef. It comes in a can like this and I looked on the jar to see what was in and it's got uh garlic
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  and turmeric and cour- it has everything that you'd put in like a real spicy beef stew.
Interviewer:  Goodness.
490:  #1 It smells awful. But boy #
Interviewer:  #2 They make those things for babies huh? #
490:  {NW} He ate it #1 up. #
Interviewer:  #2 That sounds rough. #
490:  It sure {C: baby noises} it sure does I couldn't imagine {C: baby noises} putting garlic in every course. I- d- and so I I tasted of it and I don't taste any garlic or anything it's not real spicy #1 but just sounds #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
490:  like it would be. But he sure liked it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Good stuff. {NW} {C: baby noises} {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  Absolutely. {NS} {NW} Oh man. {NS}
490:  I don't remember what I was talking about.
Interviewer:  Oh I was gonna ask you about uh let's see oh the do you do you both go to Church
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 here in town. #
490:  Uh Donald is a member of First Baptist Church. He has been for well since he was twelve or thirteen he joined the Church.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 Here. # And um I am a Methodist.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But Donald goes to the Methodist Church with me but I cannot convince him. He
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 he needs to be a Methodist rather than a Baptist. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  But it's not necessarily I don't think that {NW} of course there's not a whole lot of difference in the two but {C: baby noises} I think that his mother would lay down and have a kicking fit. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 If he were to join the Methodist Church. {C: laughing} {C: baby noises} # Now if she didn't know about it it would be
Interviewer:  Yeah
490:  you know alright. But Don's father passed away in sixty-two. He had a heart attack. And she is in her seventies and she's set in her ways.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And she lives in her apartment with uh the old maid school teacher that's a member of the Methodist Church. And if we are not at Church on Sunday then ms {D: Seafield} the lady that lives with ms Glover will go home and say well I didn't see Donald and Polly Beth at church today.
Interviewer:  That's a bad #1 situation. #
490:  #2 Yes it is. # And if Donald were to join the Church {NW} #1 that's the first thing #
Interviewer:  #2 Yep. #
490:  ms {D: Sea} would do. {C: aggressive metallic sound} She'd run home and say Don joined the Church Oh I'm just so glad to ha- you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And Miss Glover wouldn't like it much.
Interviewer:  That would tear it #1 {D: I bet}. #
490:  #2 Yes # it surely would.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  So we go to Church and I have talked {X} {NS} Church too. But uh I haven't been doing much of that since Ben's been here because it's {C: baby noises} sorta difficult to do those things {C: baby noises} that I used to do without even thinking twice now that I have him. {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  {X} Does the uh Methodist Church here have a pretty big congregation? {C: baby noises}
490:  Uh I think it's about three hundred. I think there's about three hundred members but there's {C: baby noises} {D: I don't think there are that} many people that are there all the time. Uh the {C: baby noises} Baptist Church we got a lot of good Baptists here about a couple years ago. The Baptist Church moved. They had been up there beside their church was beside {C: baby noises} the Methodist Church and had been for years and years and years. Well they- it was in a bad place and it was an unattractive church to begin with. It was um really strange looking. It was built on a corner and it and it went all the way around the corner. You know instead of having a front it was all {C: baby noises} well it was strange looking. And they just sorta let it go down because a lot of the congregation wanted to build a new church.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Well they got into a hassle over it. {C: baby noises} And so {C: baby noises} Some of the members wanted to sell the church to the city and some of the the city was called build something there and some of 'em wanted to sell it to the {D: Wick} County Bank cause the {D: Wick} County Bank was going to build a new building and they wanted to {C: baby noises} buy the land and Oh they just had a terrible hassle. And some of the people got so disgusted with it that they just left the Church.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  And they came next door to the Methodist Church. So we got a lot of good {C: metallic clanging} #1 Baptists. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} {C: metallic clanging} # I see what you mean.
490:  Yeah but they have uh built a new church out here down the {D: Grayfield} Highway. And it's a real nice church.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But some of the older members you know didn't want to do that. They wanted {D: to keep their church} {C: baby screaming} I can understand why. I'd hate to see my church get torn down you know and a bank being pu- built in its place but we have a real nice new {D: Wick} County Bank up #1 there. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Where the Baptist Church was.
Interviewer:  Well worse yet maybe a parking lot.
490:  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  {NW} {NW} {C: metal clanging}
490:  That's right.
Interviewer:  Well let's see you mentioned a minute ago that you started doing Masters Degree work. Are you still working on that? #1 Or did you finish? #
490:  #2 No I finished that in # seventy-two. And uh {C: baby noises} at the time I was teaching English in high school up here. But um {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  You said what's your major again in college.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 English. # English and history. {NW} I had a double major.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And uh {C: baby noises} I {NS} I think what influenced me to do that had an excellent high school English teacher. {C: baby noises} And she's retiring. She retired this year but she i- was really the best teacher that I had in all my lo- my many years of going to school. {C: baby noises} But uh Anyway I was a history and English major in and I got my masters in English and history. Well along came this librarian slot opened up. Well we had not had an elementary school librarian. The state of {C: baby noises} Tennessee just made that
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  made the funds available so that every elementary school could have {C: baby noises} if so many students you know if they had so many students they could have a full time librarian and they never had one {C: baby noises} there before. So the principal asked me would I be interested and I said sure {C: baby noises} but I was right in the middle of working on my Masters and I had to have certification in library science. So the closest place that you could go at that time {C: baby noises} was well uh {C: baby noises} {D: Lanbith} University {NS} in Jackson. They had a library service program. Or you could to George Peabody in Nashville. Or you could go to Murray State which was out of state and had to pay out of state #1 tuition. Mm-hmm. {C: baby noises} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  And that crossed the oh that's about forty miles from here. {NS} So i- it would cost a hundred and ninety-six dollars for me to go to Murray and get three hours.
Interviewer:  Mm. {C: baby noises}
490:  It cost a hundred and ninety-eight dollars to go to {D: Lanbith} in cause it's a church supported school. {C: baby noises} So I thought well you know what it's gonna cost a lot but I'd rather do that because I was about up to here {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  in high school English students.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And all the hassles of teaching in high school. Um. You get sponsor class and you know or sponsor the cheerleaders or you ended up doing the {X} or {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  You know it was just more than was worth it.
Interviewer:  I've forgotten what my what my poor high school English teachers had to put up with. {C: baby noises}
490:  #1 Oh I- #
Interviewer:  #2 It's terrible. #
490:  It really is. So many extracurricular activities that you didn't have time Uh-oh Ben. Don't want anymore huh?
Interviewer:  It is a bureaucratic {C: baby noises} {X} all the forms that you hear
490:  #1 Well #
Interviewer:  #2 about. #
490:  No not not as much that. I mean you get used to that you know. It's just. It's the kids that'll drive you #1 crazy. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Excuse me let me get a #1 water. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
490:  But the last year that I I taught English Don said that you need that I believe that's about enough.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 See # if you can't do something else because I was sponsoring Beta Club. {C: baby noises} You know what the Beta Club is? {C: baby noises} Well okay I was sponsoring the Beta Club and we were putting on a play. {C: baby noises} To make enough to {X} {C: baby crying} and I was doing that {C: baby noises} four nights a week. We were practicing for the play. And then I was teaching Junior English, Senior Eng- one section of Senior English, two Junior English, an eighth grade section, and American government. Had all those different preparations every night plus #1 doing that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Did you have any tranquilizers? #
490:  That's right I went to the doctor I I was just {NW} #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Mm. #
490:  So I went to the doctor and for the first time I'd ever even thought about taking any kind of tranquilizer or anything and he gave me some very mild tranquilizer but instead of cooling me down they just hopped me up. #1 I was hanging off the ceiling. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
490:  #1 I I took one of those things. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  So that was my experience with tranquilizers. But anyway I decided that I needed to do something besides teach English that was #1 just too much #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  trying to raise a family and Don was traveling then and he was gone a lot. So right in mid-stream I started picking up my I stopped my Masters over at the University and started picking up some other courses things that I could transfer.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And I ended up getting my library certification year before last. It took me a while and Lord knows how much money. And I know never gonna see return on {D: in Wick County} on teacher's salary. It might be enough to keep a bird alive.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  Oh Wick County is slow.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  They're slowly but surely coming along, but we're having to threaten strike and everything else you know.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well I know what you're talking about. When I was uh in graduate school at the University of Alabama the {X} graduate teaching assistants was screaming about the {C: car noise} the low uh the low rate of pay uh. They hadn't we hadn't gotten a cost of living increase in in just ages.
490:  Is this from the state of Alabama or is this from #1 um. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah i- it would be uh #
490:  #1 Well our state does #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: probably} #
490:  you know our state's tryna keep up cuz Tennessee used to be low man on the totem pole. #1 So they're doing better now. {C: baby noises} #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. #
490:  We got another seven percent raise for- for next year but this county it slow. I mean they're all all the people that are on the county court are farmers. They don't want their property taxes increased.
Interviewer:  {D: Right.}
490:  You know. #1 It's already got that old hassle and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Mm-hmm. #
490:  Just the same old stuff. I guess, is that why you're {D: working} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah {D: Oh gosh}. # Nobody wants any taxes.
490:  No.
Interviewer:  Oh I meant to tell you. Uh that my mother is a librarian.
490:  #1 Is she? #
Interviewer:  #2 As a matter of fact. # Yeah. She's uh the town that I'm from Troy has a four year college. Troy
490:  #1 State. #
Interviewer:  #2 State. #
490:  #1 Yes well I know I #
Interviewer:  #2 and she grew up- #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Is that right? #
490:  Oh yeah {NW} #1 We had some #
Interviewer:  #2 For the football games. #
490:  #1 Football games. Yes. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah yeah. #
490:  We've been to Troy State two or three times.
Interviewer:  Oh you've been down there?
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
490:  Last time we were in I I won't tell you what my husband did.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Stupid {X} {C: laughing} # It was terrible. It was just terrible. We hadn't been married oh a year or so and
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  we had a good time #1 but we took all weekend to get to there and back. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Really? Yeah yeah yeah. {C: laughing} # That's a pretty long haul.
490:  We always start I think we start about Thursday night or Friday morning. {NW} Sunday night or #1 Monday night planning. Dinner time. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sound like sound like just that. Yeah. # {NW} Oh but y- U-T Martin has always been an old nemesis of #1 Troy State. #
490:  #2 Mm yeah. #
Interviewer:  I remember one day when Troy State won the national championship in sixty-eight the only team to beat them was {NW} #1 UT Martin {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 Yeah # I remember that Donald was I I was over there but Donald was in service. #1 {X} everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm yeah. #
490:  Um is she uh the librarian #1 at Forest Town? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah a records librarian at the #
490:  #1 Oh. #
Interviewer:  #2 at the college library. # She has ki- she's really not formally trained to be a librarian. She went to school at the University of Alabama majored in home economics. #1 So I said you know {D: have a girl}. Yeah. {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 Mm we all change mid-stream. #
Interviewer:  It's kinda peculiar. She's just crazy about that #1 {D: line of} work. #
490:  #2 I really like # course I have uh eight hundred and fifty elementary school kids as they're coming in that library every week #1 wanting something you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Goodness}. #
490:  I #1 {D: Five could be color.} #
Interviewer:  #2 This is all one school? #
490:  #1 Yes. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # That's a big school.
490:  Yeah we have well until last year we had the largest elementary school in the county cuz Martin had like uh K through four and then they had a middle school and the junior high and then a high school.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um I I guess they s- rev- revamped this and everything they {D: don't} have one school {X} that has more students than we do. {C: baby crying} But we were the largest school in the county. {c: baby crying} {D: Cherry's} and Duke Hanson got K through 8 and it got closed over eight hundred about eight hundred and seventy-five students.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And um I have a schedule you know each class comes in for thirty minutes except for junior high kids and they don't come unless I #1 It's like I'll let her know. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 That's a good {X} {C: laughing} #
490:  #1 I guess {X} keep 'em coming #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. {C: laughing} # I can remember my days in the library {D: at} Junior High School. #1 So I saw very little reason with that. #
490:  #2 Oh lord. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # I just don't let them come unless they're planning on checking out a book or sitting. #1 I just send them back. They're gonna come up there and #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 have a good time. That's all they're interested in. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Mm-hmm. # That's right.
490:  Tearing up the magazines or writing things in the magazines. #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 This is true. # I had a my librarian at high school had a - had this attitude that when one was in the library one did not touch the books. #1 They were supposed to stay on the {C:laugh} #
490:  #2 You know what #
Interviewer:  shelves and look pretty.
490:  #1 That's what I #
Interviewer:  #2 It's kinda funny. #
490:  That's the way my was in high school. And I said th- that's gonna be and she's just now retiring this year #1 too. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  I I guess the kids are glad to see her go.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But I said I am not gonna be that way. So we play games and course they're elementary school it's a lot different #1 than high school you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. #
490:  I had a a teacher in the lab downstairs came up one day last week of school and asked could I please hold it down. We were playing running with the kindergarten kids and having it playing games. #1 And there's a #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  steel beam that runs u- in the floor and it's ri- and when you walk on it a certain way it just #1 vibrates the whole thing. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  And I was vibrating {D: learn} and limb. So {X} come up and {C: laughing} and sort of cool it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. #1 That's uh #
490:  #2 But # we had a good time anyway. I showed them a lot of famous trips and things #1 like that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  {X} I hope they do anyway.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Oh yeah my mother likes it so much sh- she brings her work home with her. #1 And #
490:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  find her in the living room surrounded by cards and government documents #1 and spicy stuff like that #
490:  #2 No I'm not in that. #
Interviewer:  #1 you know. {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 There's some {X} #
490:  #2 Mm. I'm not in # stuff like that. Thank goodness #1 I think I #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  just would be lost. I'm I'm more on the last one Homer's {D: Green Pea} and books like that.
Interviewer:  {NW} Well why my mother uh before she became a librarian at Troy State was a librarian for what they called a laboratory school. It was subject it was a college uh #1 uh it was run #
490:  #2 {D: Yeah I know what you're talking.} #
Interviewer:  pretty closely with the school of education #1 there. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  And so you know she she d- she still reads that kind of thing. They have a collection there in the in college for the uh l- for the students who are #1 in elementary education. #
490:  #2 Yeah. Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  And of course they have to #1 figure out themselves all the stuff. #
490:  #2 All the money and all the {D: county cotton} winners. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. Yeah. #
490:  #2 And their- yeah. #
Interviewer:  #1 I t- he probably had to keep reading the stuff #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  your brain going to turn to jello. #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {D: But she} A- and sometimes what's really bad I I I think she's reading it for her own pleasure. {C: Laughing} #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {X} # I had a a book this this last month it came in. I ordered a new- it was Liza Lou and the yellow baby swan.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  It was darling. It really is about this little black girl who's just walking out of her hates and goblins and #1 everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  And I have more fun reading those things
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  you know the kids out loud and they just sitting there you know with their eyes #1 so big. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  And one little girl was sitting on the floor in kindergarten. She was sitting on the floor right under and I've got a little bitty chair that I'm practically on the floor with them.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And every time I turned a page of the book course it had those big goblins and ghosts and everything she's a little black girl and she'd say #1 Oh Lord. {C: mimicking voice} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Every time I turned the page before I'd start she'd say #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Oh Lord {C: mimicking voice}. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 And I knew what was coming. I was about to {D: break} her. It was really funny. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  The children. I I enjoy working with children there.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  They keep you young.
Interviewer:  Yeah. That is nice.
490:  Know all kinds of different- you know what's going on. #1 You know what to expect #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  out of your own. You're not shocked when your #1 {D: own does}. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 That's true. #
490:  You're having yourself a lunch. {C: mumbling to baby}
Interviewer:  I say one of the things I wanted to ask you was are you in any kind of uh church groups or clubs or civic organizations or anything like that?
490:  Um. I belong to a {C: baby crying} young Methodists womens group which is a a y- there's two groups like this at our church one for young- younger women and one for the older women. And I'm a member of that. And um then I'm a member of the alumni asso- association kinda like I was kinda like when I was in school. There was my sorority I mean I'm very involved now I'm an officer this year. Into that a lot. {C: baby crying}
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. {C: baby crying}
490:  And um {C: baby crying} I was in {X} Club but {D: I couldn't go} or I couldn't handle all of this. {C: baby noises} I had to let some of that #1 stuff go. {C: baby noises} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  And let's see if there's anything else that I'm doing right now.
Interviewer:  {D: Are they} organizations associated with school {C: baby noises} #1 or? #
490:  #2 Uh # But of course our local P-T-O parent teachers organization.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  {X} {C: baby noises} And I'm an officer in that this next year. {C: baby noises} Let me get this off you Ben. {C: baby noises} And um {C: baby noises} the library association of course. All these education associations things that I'm involved in.
Interviewer:  Is that P-E-A?
490:  Yeah the P-E-A and our {D: Wick} County Association thing. I was an officer last year. And now professional organizations {C: baby noises} And aw just about meeting-ed out like I have a lot of things. I- you know you can really work yourself to death when you get so {D: picked when it's like} well I should do that.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah. {C: baby noises}
490:  So.
Interviewer:  She's doing fine {D: we're gonna} give it to her. {C: baby noises}
490:  That's right. {C: baby crying} And um I'm {C: baby noises} I'm a sponsor of our our junior beta club at school and we are then involved in raising uh fundraising things for the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation and then for Saint Jude Research Hospital in Memphis too.
Interviewer:  {NW} {C: baby noises}
490:  Uh. {C: baby noises} That {C: baby noises} is a big thing in our area. I don't know whether down where you #1 live they still #
Interviewer:  #2 Cystic fibrosis? #
490:  No the the Saint Jude Research Hospital. #1 Maybe it's not #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh I see. #
490:  I don't know whether it's that far reaching or not. They have a lot of drives around here. Saint Jude's.
Interviewer:  Is that in Memphis?
490:  Uh-huh. #1 The research hospital #
Interviewer:  #2 Right yeah. #
490:  for children you know #1 with cancer. Right uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 That Danny Thomas {go for tournaments was} # #1 a fundraiser for that. #
490:  #2 That's right. Mm-hmm. # Danny Thomas is the man who really the he's the wheel horse #1 when it #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  comes to Saint Jude's. And um
Interviewer:  Wonder how he got associated with that.
490:  I I think one of his children.
Interviewer:  Oh.
490:  Or one of one of his friend's children. Or something. Anyway had leukemia. And um he somehow became involved with it I don't know exact- I don't know the full story on it. It's sorta like Jerry Lewis and the multiple sclerosis
Interviewer:  #1 I was just about to #
490:  #2 thing {X} #
Interviewer:  ask you whether you know what his association are his interests in.
490:  Who #1 Jerry Lewis or? Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 Bob Stewert {D: districted is} #
490:  He has a child.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  I the reason I know that is w- there was a telethon that came out of the {D: duke} on television. And he {D: throw} multiple sclerosis. Is that it?
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Okay. I didn't know #1 whether that was loose enough. #
Interviewer:  #2 Is it multiple sclerosis or # muscular dystrophy.
490:  Muscular dystrophy that's what it is. And they had telethons. And he came and he explained it. It was very emotional #1 for me. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  Oh he
Interviewer:  #1 Well I have n- I've seen these national #
490:  #2 He's really {X} #
Interviewer:  telethons that he does. But I've never seen him I've never heard him uh give an explanation.
490:  Mm-hmm. Well he he to- course it was in the wee hours of the morning. That he
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 Yeah. # But he explained how one of his children
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  was afflicted. And uh i- it was interesting.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 An- # But as so- as as soon as he finished the the line hopped. #1 You know it's #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  a good selling point
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # But it's for a good cause.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
490:  #2 Th- # Those things like that. But anyway we just um one of the a real {C: baby noises} fine young man from Dresden just died of leukemia this past spring. And all of our city groups and everything really we- gone the limit with Saint Jude. Not the limit but really gone all out. As far as memorial gifts and things like that. You know. Projects and everything prepared.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Well what about your husband. Is he associated with any kind of
490:  Uh he belongs to several professional organizations that have to do with this business thing in Jackson. {D: Sutan.} And then uh he's involved I don't know what all
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah #
490:  #2 {X} {C: car} # But anyway they're uh they're friends too His company.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  I don't know but h- as far as being involved at the lines closed rubber cutting in Dresden. He's never in Dresden.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  He goes to Jackson every day.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 Which is # about a sixty mile drive. And everybody says how does he do that you know it's it's just like going downtown to him. #1 He's so used to it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 You know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  And uh people can't understand how when I say I'm going to run down to Jackson you know I got to bring something to do. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  And I imagine it's like it's like going to Memphis for me. Like you know.
Interviewer:  Like it's some kind of journey.
490:  Yeah right. But uh he Don had a basketball scholarship. When he was in school and uh or I- he says he wouldn't have been able to go to school you know if he hadn't had the scholarship so he's involved with the alumni association a lot as far the scholarships for basketball students and things like that. Or all sports events.
Interviewer:  Yeah I was walking around on the on the campus the other day. That's a pretty campus.
490:  #1 It surely is. #
Interviewer:  #2 I like it. #
490:  They
Interviewer:  #1 Gotta learn. #
490:  #2 It's changed some. #
Interviewer:  Big new buildings.
490:  Don and I went to school over there in sixty-three. And enrolled it was fifteen hundred.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  And now it's eight thousand.
Interviewer:  Eight thousand?
490:  They were saying #1 well no #
Interviewer:  #2 Wow. #
490:  they had it uh in the last fall they had enrollment I think of eight thousand. But I think it's dropping off a little you know.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Didn't seem like {X} {D: not quite eight} #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well that's a big school.
490:  Yeah. It has really grown. But uh.
Interviewer:  I went to visit a friend of mine in uh Knoxville. He's a student there at U-T. And I was amazed #1 at the size of that campus. #
490:  #2 That place is something else. #
Interviewer:  #1 They make it #
490:  #2 It's enormous. # That's
Interviewer:  Something else.
490:  We go up at least three or four times a year. In the fall. Football games.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 We're # we're addicts.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And we have season tickets. You know the whole gamut and everything. And um I just I look forward to it. {D: Provide-} Fall's my favorite time of year. And I love football. I can't wait to get up there.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And we've- for the last two years we've been we've taken our son. {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 And he is just # raised. I you know and when we raised on U-T football.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And now we got John Majors up that's there.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 Everybody's just sitting on #
Interviewer:  #1 Sure. #
490:  #2 {X}. And hoping we can # beat that man down there.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 In your neck of the woods {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  I'll have to admit when U-T beats Alabama they usually do a pretty thorough job of it.
490:  Oh I never went w- we're Every year Don says well if it's at Knoxville how about a Tennessee games at Knoxville are you going? I said I don't know let me think about it. Well I always end up going. But the last three times we've been to Birmingham.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I said I'm not going back to Birmingham.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 They're gonna play at Legion Field. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I'm not going. # And I mean it. And #1 every #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  year when I end up trucking
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah yeah. #
490:  #2 down there and every year #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: I come on a big old} long face. And #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I can't remember the last time th-. # Well last time we beat you down there. We were there. And we got we were in a motel it was downtown and we got on the wrong bus.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  We got on the bu- well it was going back to the motel. The right place. But it was straight Alabama fans. You know #1 we were the only Tennessee fans on there. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. That's bad. #
490:  {NW} And I just couldn't keep this big smile off #1 my face you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Just sitting back there like that. And {D: you go} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  {D: everybody's got their} #1 long faces #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 You get you. Just wait your time's coming and #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  every year since then it has.
Interviewer:  Oh r-
490:  What was it seventy-two?
Interviewer:  I g- I don't even remember.
490:  Seventy or seventy-two. Bad year I tell you.
Interviewer:  #1 I h- I don't I don't like #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  uh the games in Birmingham. I've only been to one and you can guess which one that was. It was the seventeen to sixteen {D: debacle} with Auburn.
490:  Ah yes.
Interviewer:  You know the two black punts. Uh.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  I've never been back. {NW} I don't like Birmingham anyway.
490:  #1 I- I don't care for it either. #
Interviewer:  #2 So really #
490:  Don's just coming back from there today.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 He he's- # I like not very crazy about it.
Interviewer:  Yeah it's really unfinished.
490:  {D: Dol} did some business in Tuscaloosa this last summer.
Interviewer:  Yeah?
490:  And uh we were down there. He had s- sold some pipes to somebody. And then they have a sales representative in Alabama.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And um. He was putting their- they were delivering some stuff or something. Don had to go down there and check on some stuff. So we went and those people down there are crazy. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 I #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # We can get {D: Bryce} Hospital's there #1 that's some pretty good percent of the population that's crazy. Whatever it is. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # {D: I am recorded} they're crazy about Alabama football.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh well. #
490:  #2 You just # uh they're right nuts.
Interviewer:  Well you know you hear the same thing if you go up into Knoxville. You know. Take yourself a hard hat and a baseball bat #1 and see how many Tennessee fans are there. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: That's right} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  I had I had a roommate who was a hardcore Alabama fan. He he took it so far that he went to all the games. Whether home or away, you know, and that's pretty long #1 road trip. #
490:  #2 Yeah it is. #
Interviewer:  And well he bought a new car uh one year that he was there he got a new- one of these big new Chryslers and he got it uh it was red with a white top.
490:  #1 Oh. #
Interviewer:  #2 You know. # But that guy was {D: alright}
490:  #1 Crimson Tide. #
Interviewer:  #2 But uh. #
490:  #1 He really is #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 um {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 He was he was he was bad. # You know.
490:  We pulled up and just this guy that Donald had bought this pipe- city engineer.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And he held out his hand and saw Don sitting in the backseat. Our little one sitting in the backseat. And he said I've got just the thing for that boy. And he went back there and got an Alabama calendar. #1 That had all the players #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  all the way across the top and everything. Had a big picture of Bryant right in the center #1 and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 But he said here son. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 And {D: Donald} looked {D: Donald} looked at him and he said I'm not an Alabama fan. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  And he said you are now.
Interviewer:  Yeah probably think it was sacrilege.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Or something like that. #
490:  #2 {NW} # I don't know what.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Yeah they probably for uh} #
490:  #2 {X} told you. #
Interviewer:  they are pretty uh pretty vocal around there. At times though it's funny in uh in the stadium uh they can get real quiet.
490:  #1 Oh bless 'em like dead {D: seed} #
Interviewer:  #2 Alm- just kinda apathetic about the whole thing. #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # But that U-T stadium is enormous. That's one
490:  #1 Yeah it's fantastic. #
Interviewer:  #2 of the biggest #
490:  #1 They - I know - They've um #
Interviewer:  #2 college stadiums I've seen. #
490:  It well let's see. What'd they put on last fall that upper layer thing that they put on last fall {C: baby scream and clanging} It seats eighty-three thousand now.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 I think. # I think that's right eighty-three.
Interviewer:  I understand they're gonna make a bowl #1 out of it right? #
490:  #2 Yeah. # They're going on and finishing it and I don't know whether the funds have gone through or.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  You know whether they're going to go on and finish it or not cuz when they do that #1 It's close to a hundred thousand I would think. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Could go} a hundred thousand yeah. #
490:  #1 They need I declare. #
Interviewer:  #2 They aren't too {D: upstaged I think} #
490:  It's terrible you just have to stand in line and get tickets.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  It just. It's awful. Just about as bad as I imagine it is in Birmingham. {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah yeah. I guess so. It's about it's about time that they tore down Legion Field. {C: laughing}
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 As far as I'm concerned. #
490:  #1 I think I just uh I have bad luck #
Interviewer:  #2 I like that {D: lug} #
490:  every time I go anywhere. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  {NW} No I- I'm like you I like uh I like the fall. And #1 the football #
490:  #2 Mm. #
Interviewer:  and all that.
490:  Good.
Interviewer:  #1 Gives you something to look forward to #
490:  #2 Cause it's my favorite time of year. #
Interviewer:  every weekend.
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 Relieve your mind # from the strain.
490:  We were just going to football games about three or four years ago we got a little slower at everything. We just got so ev- We'd go to at least one road trip a year you know and uh with a chartered bus and everything. Mostly of the people are from Martin and from Dresden.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  We run around with a lot of people from Martin. And um
Interviewer:  Have you ever been to an L-S-U game? In Baton Rouge.
490:  Oh honey! Tell me about it. Would you believe year before last.
Interviewer:  I've got to go to Baton Rouge one day for a game.
490:  #1 Oh golly. #
Interviewer:  #2 I've heard so much about Tiger Stadium. #
490:  Yeah we trucked down there.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that right? #
490:  #2 That's really real. # We went on the bus now if you can picture this to Baton Rouge was a long trip.
Interviewer:  Oh God.
490:  It's a great trip down.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But coming back you know you're just
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  dead. We went down there it was a night game. They they're they're crazy down there.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 I think they are the crazy #
490:  #2 They had #
Interviewer:  #1 fans in the southeast. #
490:  #2 yeah. I had great # half-time. Uh shows and everything. They trained animals and
Interviewer:  #1 Oh really. #
490:  #2 you know and everything {C: laughing}. # But you you watch where you sit and you watch what you say.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  Oh. They're they're t- just flat ugly sometimes {C: laughing}. Course I guess we we've gotten a little ugly too but mm they're rough.
Interviewer:  #1 Well friends of mine #
490:  #2 Tiger's day. #
Interviewer:  A friend of mine who's from my hometown he played for Alabama for a while said that while when they went to it Baton Rouge the players from L-S-U the fans would get so rowdy you know {D: somewhat} crazy Cajun
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 down there # that Bryant and the rest of coaching staff would have to put on football helmets.
490:  #1 Yeah they throw things. #
Interviewer:  #2 The crowds would throw # bottles at ya
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. They sure do. No. #
Interviewer:  #2 all the time. #
490:  That night that course we just got stomped. We were doin- You know we had such a great season and then L-S-U come up and {X} And um it got so we didn't even care. We just said we can have a good time #1 you know. We don't #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  no need in being upset about this morning cause it's completely gone.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But uh they were throwing bottles and stuff. They didn't like what the referee.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  It's about like uh K- the Kentucky basketball.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh {D: great} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Oh me I thought th- that my husband was going to have just rigor mortis was gonna set in
Interviewer:  #1 Have you been to Lexington #
490:  #2 for him. {X} #
Interviewer:  for a game?
490:  No we didn't go to Lexington. We went to um {C: baby noises} Um. Oh where did we go. But we went to Oxford this year. We went to Donald's been to Lexington but I've never been. But we went to Oxford for Ole Miss game this year. Tennessee Ole Miss game #1 See Ernie and Bernie {X} {C: baby crying} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  I'm sorry son. {D: baby crying} We watched the Ernie and Bernie show. And th- he had a really good {C: baby crying} It's too bad that they didn't do any better than they did cause they had all kinds of potential. Alabama too.
Interviewer:  #1 Well Tennessee uh #
490:  #2 We were disappointed in Alabama. #
Interviewer:  Tennessee wound up
490:  I don't
Interviewer:  #1 pretty high #
490:  #2 know. #
Interviewer:  didn't they?
490:  Yeah but you know in the tournament N double A C
Interviewer:  #1 Oh. Yeah. #
490:  #2 P. N double A C-P. #
Interviewer:  #1 That was #
490:  #2 N-C double A {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Yeah they had th- that's right they won the set by um {C: whirring}
490:  {D: I think} Norton and some Yankee thing what was it? {C: whirring}
Interviewer:  Oh
490:  #1 They had Norton. #
Interviewer:  #2 Syracuse. #
490:  Syracuse yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 Yes that was a {D: prize}. #
490:  #2 Oh that was sad. # It was really sad. They acted then they played. Don kept saying I they're gonna come back. Or everything's gonna be alright. It's gon- we're gonna win this game. Just don't you worry about it. He was crawling around on the floor. Beating the
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 floor. And he gets on the telephone with this guy # that's a lawyer down #1 here. That are #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  great {D: beasts}. And they stay on the telephone. They ju- they don't watch the games or listen to them again. They'd rather stay on the telephone. They'll pick up the phone. Did you see how
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 that {D: out}? # Alan say yeah I saw. What'd you think about that. Well they sit there and rehash that play.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 And then they # go back and oh.
Interviewer:  #1 Well I guess he's got a #
490:  #2 {D: Like me.} #
Interviewer:  different perspective of being a former basketball player.
490:  Yeah. He he's sorta {D: directorial poor back} going on. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # He doesn't understand you know why why so and so did so and so.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But #1 it's neither #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  here nor that. I mean he couldn't change it by getting so upset. {D: Y'all going to say} so now Johnny Majors is coming to Tennessee. {C: baby noises} You want some more carrots. You get tired. {NW}
Interviewer:  D- does- did he follow the uh professional playoffs?
490:  Yeah. He uh my father went to the- Are you talking about basketball or football?
Interviewer:  Yeah basketball.
490:  Basketball. Not too much I don't think. Donald doesn't. If it's Tennessee basketball he's interested.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And you know but otherwise I thought you was talking about football. Let's get in here! I thought you was talking about football. Daddy went to the Super Bowl this year. He goes he's been for the last four years.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And uh I think he has a good time there too.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  We all manage to have a good time #1 wherever we go. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 {D: What'd I} do with my spoon? #
Interviewer:  #2 Well that's the best way to do it. #
490:  {C: baby crying} Oh now.
Interviewer:  Are you unhappy? {C: rustling}
490:  When I was I w- in Junior High I guess Mom and Dad started taking me to Knoxville to the ball game. {X} I've just been raised on Tennessee football.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Man you were still hungry weren't you?
Interviewer:  I hate to get it, but that was probably the underlying reason that I wanted to go to Alabama in the first place. I'd always heard {C: baby noises}
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  about. You know. The big football tradition and all that.
490:  Well we're not exper- expecting miracles. Big miracles #1 this year. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 We're just expecting small #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  We would we would like to come close #1 in the Alabama Tennessee game this year. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Well if anyone can do it
490:  #1 Well he keeps #
Interviewer:  #2 I bet {D: Matrix} can. #
490:  in our newspapers and everything. Course he is one of the trustees at at U-T, lives right over here across from us. {C: baby crying} Oh come on now. And uh he's told us at Church this Saturday at the last Saturday football season. He told us at Church he said I've just taken my phone off the hook. Cause his people are calling me tryna get get rid of battle and he said I've just taken my phone off the hook.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  That's how bad it was. Everybody
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: kneeling}. # Okay I don't know what you want. Would you tell me what you want. {C: baby noises} Huh? What y- {C: some a teaching} huh?
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Don't think that's really it either. Now okay look here let's play with these. {C: baby noises} Now. I don't know what's wrong w- I t- had to take him to the doctor yesterday for his ears and I think {C: baby noises} maybe his ear might be hurting him a little bit.
Interviewer:  Does that come with any kind of fever or #1 anything like that. #
490:  #2 Yeah. # He had Monday he had a little temperature about a hundred and one.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  You're getting restless as everything aren't you sir?
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Said who are you? {NW} He could just stare right through you. Just keeps sitting and looking.
Interviewer:  Have you done much traveling uh either instate or out of state?
490:  Well uh when I was a Junior in high school mother and and daddy and my two brothers, I have two younger brothers, went to well we went down the southern part of the United States round to California and then back up through. And I think I've been in three- somethin- thirty something states I don't remember it's been a long time since I remember counting. And then uh when I was senior in high school we went to the World's Fair in New York. And so we went all up through that area. And then Donald and I well Donald was stationed a- at in New Jersey Fort Mott New Jersey and while he was there we went all up into New England and everything up into Maine and we spent several weekends in Maine and New Hampshire and Massachusetts and up through there and then we go to Florida every summer so all down through the southern states. You know we um have a house that we rent down there every summer for a week.
Interviewer:  #1 What part of Florida is that? #
490:  #2 Um like uh. # It's on Santa Rosa Island. And uh it's right n- above Mexico. And um
Interviewer:  #1 Have you ever been out of the country? #
490:  #2 Um. # Mexico. That's all I've that's as far as and Canada. I forgot I've been to Canada. {C: laughing} But as far as being you know #1 across the Atlantic or anything. #
Interviewer:  #2 More {X} yeah. #
490:  I'm not. I have never done that. I don't really have any desire to do that for some reason. That has not become one of my ambitions yet.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah yet. #
490:  #2 You know. Sometimes I- #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Yeah yet. {C: laughing} # I'll want to do that eventually, but I just really haven't I guess I've been too busy to worry about that. Now my my aunt and uncle, my mother's sister and her husband, live in Florida and every summer they take a European tour
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 or a # South Pacific tour or something. They don't have any children.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And they just you know the- they are school teachers.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And he just they save up their money I guess. Well Florida you know has several programs that after you teach for so long- well I don't know whether they still do it now or not but after you teach for seven years you get sort of a year's leave. A s- like a sabbatical. You know. And they can they've been taking advantage of that. This summer they're going t- no last summer they went to the British Isles and they stayed all summer.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  It's for three months well two and a half months. And then
Interviewer:  Terrific.
490:  uh this summer they're taking a cruise in the Mediterranean. And I don't know what country their's gonna be staying in.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But I've you know I'd like to do that sometime I guess. I'd like to get on just a I'd like to get on this r- river boat that goes down the Cumberland River and up to Oakland, Illinois and everything. The Delta queen You heard about that? #1 That's a #
Interviewer:  #2 No. #
490:  fantastic trip.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  It's really nice. This our uh have you heard of Ned Ray McWherter. You know who I'm talking about when I say that?
Interviewer:  What's his name?
490:  Ned Ray McWherter. He's the speaker of the house of Tennessee. And he's from Dresden.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  He's the state representative. And he and my father and mother are real good friends. He's from Dresden originally. And he and a friend of his did this last weekend on the Delta Queen and he said it was he said he's been he's done a lot of things. He's been to Europe and everything. He said that's the most enjoyable trip he'd ever taken.
Interviewer:  This is a {D: four fuuz} #1 riverboat. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh a big steamboat. # Riv- riverboat.
Interviewer:  Wow.
490:  And it
Interviewer:  Big paddle wheel
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 and everything? #
490:  {D: Though} I think it has electrical motors too.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 You know # in case the paddle wheels #1 {D: don't work} {C: laughing}. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  But that's for nostalgia stak- #1 sake. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah.
490:  But uh it goes all the way to New Orleans. You can go on it to New Orleans up into Minnesota someplace but i- it then it goes around the Cumberland River up into Kentucky. And uh but it's a real nice trip. You can stay on as long as you want to. You know.
Interviewer:  Wow.
490:  But he had they got on at Nashville I believe. On the Cumberland River. And then his driver picked them up someplace in in Illinois. But he said it was a great trip. I'd like to do that. And that doesn't cost much. You know like two hundred and fifty dollars.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh wow. #
490:  #2 You know. #
Interviewer:  #1 That's reasonable. #
490:  #2 So. # Mm-hmm. And that's all your meals and all your entertainment and all your drinks and everything.
Interviewer:  Can't beat that.
490:  No you can't. {C: laughing} Not from Friday 'til Monday.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # That's true. Wow.
490:  Sound like a nice trip. I'd like to do that sometime.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 There's # a lot of things in the United States I want to see before I go out of the country anyway. I don't really have any desire to get sick on the water in other countries and stuff like that anyway.
Interviewer:  Hmm. Well I tell you what we've done enough for today.
490:  Okay. Put other people in in the motel when they've got Beta club students.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  They just. Most of the clubs stay at this one particular motel.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Yeah I remember the uh the first year that we went up there. Um all of the all of the students were were housed in you know one particular part of the hotel on several floors #1 or something like #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  that. But We uh just about wrecked that place.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 So when # we came back next year they separated us. #1 They scattered us #
490:  #2 Oh no. #
Interviewer:  you know through the floors. Divide and conquer #1 I guess that's what it was. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 So #
490:  #2 Oh me. #
Interviewer:  I guess they just caught on.
490:  Mm. Doesn't take much.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well there's not much tape left on this one. I guess we could just chat a little bit more before I get into something else. I wanted to ask you yesterday about the house that you were uh raised in as a child. Could you just describe it to me. You know the the layout of the different rooms.
490:  Okay. Uh. When I was three years old my father and mother ha- well daddy had was had been an agricultural extension agent. And he'd been in Henderson for four or five months. And then they came back to Dresden and we lived in an apartment while their mother and daddy built the house that where they that they live in now.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Um and I was three when we moved into that house. And it was it was really a nice house. For this you know for them to be as young as they were and everything. My mother had come into quite a bit of money when she was twenty-five and had had inherited some. So they took some of her inheritance and built this house. Which was nice cuz they didn't have anything else you know #1 but they did have a nice house. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Great house. Mm-hmm. #
490:  But um. Well it was it's an oblong house and they've added onto it over the years. And it has an upstairs to it, but i- it's oblong. It has a stripe across the front and obviously a front door. And it has a very large living and dining room. Sorta combination like this one is except divided a little bit here. And um you walked directly into the living room. And then that long area and then right behind that was a small kitchen. And there was a breezeway on the house, but since then well when I was in high school they closed that breezeway and my
490:  Just didn't build Ben's
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  as like we do now. And uh it had a real large den and I was the only child at the time and they were hoping that that would continue to be that way for a while. You know and that because they hadn't finished the upstairs. They just the the area was there but it as far as being finished into living quarters it wasn't. And um but then five years later along came my brother. And then that's when they finished the upstairs. And they have three large bedrooms and a bath upstairs. And it has a completed enclosed garage and that they never use now for cars because it's got all of everybody's things that they didn't want.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Out there. {C: laughing} # Mother keeps saying I wish that you would come and get all this junk
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 that you # have accumulated over the years. Furniture you know things that handed down from my grandfather and my gr- and up in the um attic part #1 of the garage. #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  The other day I was out there rummaging around looking for something and I looked up and there was an old antique oak um bedstead.
Interviewer:  Oh wow.
490:  That had been my great-grandmother's. #1 And it was just #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  about to pieces. And I asked mother what was she planning on doing with it. It's a not a full sized bed yet it's not a three-quarter bed. And you can't you have to have mattresses specially
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 made you know. # Well because it was so
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 it was handmade # by my great-grandfather for my great-grandmother before they married.
Interviewer:  Oh Lord.
490:  And #1 I sa- #
Interviewer:  #2 Is there anyway #
490:  #1 Well I #
Interviewer:  #2 you can do anything with it. #
490:  there's a man here in town who does uh woodwork and he refinishes a lot of things. Plus he builds some beautiful furniture. So I said if I ever get up enough cash stashed back
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  That I would you know take it down there and let him see what he can do #1 about it. Cause #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  it was split in places and everything.
Interviewer:  That would really be nice
490:  #1 Yeah it was. #
Interviewer:  #2 if you could. #
490:  It has uh rosettes. You know carved up at the top and everything.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. Yeah. #
490:  #2 It's really beautiful. # I don't care for the for oak. You can tell by looking that I'm not an oak person. But um it it's beautiful wood and it's really some nice work. And then then my grandfather and my grandmother had um a grand piano. It wasn't like that one. It's a a upright grand piano.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
490:  It's real you know what I'm talking #1 about? #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  It was about this big you know and mother has parts of it up there up above the uh in the attic up there.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But the keyboard fell completely apart so they took it #1 and threw all that #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  ivory in the gully years ago. Just kills me. {NW} But it w- it really it was really worn.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 And course it had # to be completely reworked. So that one was completely reworked too. Mother and Daddy gave that to me when I was a senior in high school. That was my graduation present for giving up my senior recital I had.
Interviewer:  How old is this piano?
490:  Well it was in the home of the president of {D: Lambeth} College.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And {D: Lambeth} College was somewhere like eighteen thirty-five or something like that and it was the the first piano that was put in there in the eighteen seventies #1 that was #
Interviewer:  #2 Wow. #
490:  of that style. And um
Interviewer:  Well that's really well
490:  #1 it i- yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 preserved. #
490:  well th- Stein- uh Steinway people
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  in uh Jackson company called {D: Jack-o's} completely took it and just reworked the whole thing. It has a whole new sound board and new keyboard. And uh the wood somebody had painted that mahogany black.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  Somewhere back down through the years you know. And they took it and completely stripped it and started all over with it so you can see the scars on it and everything down through the they couldn't sand completely out down
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 underneath the keyboard. # But um
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 I'm just real # proud of it. Um course it's a new stool and everything. It's not new. It was nineteen sixty-three, but it's new to that piano.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And um they asked me did I want a car or did I want a piano and I knew that I was going off to school and I'd eventually come up with a car cuz they wouldn't want to come after me all the time. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  #1 Clever. #
490:  #2 I used #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 my head # and said I wanted the piano.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  So when we when we built this house we built the living room
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  around the piano. I was going to have a bay window put right over there and put the piano in the bay window but I didn't know what I was going to do for the dining room. And I liked the arrangement of the house and um
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm #
490:  #2 I didn't # have a place to put a dining room with that so. The bay window was gonna cost awful lot anyway so I #1 just #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  did without the bay and put the {NW} the piano over there but I don't play it much anymore. I just and once in a while I get an urge #1 you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  But I I do enjoy it it's relaxing. Or I when I'm frustrated about something I
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 come here and pound on that piano. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Releases my tensions a lot.
Interviewer:  Well that's nice. Well go ahead and tell me about this house.
490:  Okay um. When Donald got back from Vietnam he went to work with insurance agents agency in Martin. And we were living in a trailer. We had bought a trailer when we married. And um lived in it when he was finishing school and when I had started teaching and everything. Then when he went to the service then I lived in the trailer and we pulled it down to Mother and Daddy's and put it up beside their house back of their house. {NW} And um so when he got back then he was um for two years I think he worked for the insurance agency. And decided that that was wasn't his bag he just wasn't real thrilled with that. So he went to work working for a book company and that's when we decided that we would build. And we drew the plans for the house ourselves. We worked on it for you know like a #1 year trying to #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  decide what we wanted and what we could afford. The first house that we planned was just a monster you know. And we had no idea no conception of building costs #1 and things like that #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  And he wanted a mansard roof house.
Interviewer:  #1 A what? #
490:  #2 It's # A mansard roof. It's um I know you've seen them i- they're coming back into style really n- a lot. Um most of them are sort of square houses and then they have a separate floor that has as much room on the first floor as it does on the second floor yet it doesn't look like it's a two story house. It has a roof that slants in. #1 Like this #
Interviewer:  #2 I see. #
490:  #1 all the way around. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  And then sort of a flat top.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And there are windows set into the roof. You know all the way around. And um that was going to cost such an enormous amount we took it to our builder and he said now um I'll tell you what it's gonna cost but I don't think you're gonna build it. And we didn't. And that's when we came up with this one. And um I just took several plans that I had seen you know in different books and everything and we just sorta compiled them. And then I took them over to um the {D: Wicker} county electric company over there. And this lady drew plans and helped you with your electric outlets and everything so as far as having to have an architect we didn't.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  I I sorta did my own dimensions. And Donald's real good at that he's
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  um in fact now he's going off and on down to this Jackson State which is a community college down here and taking some engineering courses and things
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 like that. He's # he likes that kind of thing.
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 So he could help # with the dimensions you know. And {NW} and I could tell him wh- where I wanted things and he'd place them.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um then we started in the fall of seventy-one building this house. {NW} And the guy that was our contractor was just a a real nice person. And if I was choosing something that was expensive he would show me something that, rather than trying to rip me off
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 you know # he would show me something that would help. I mean be a place something in place of that yet not as expensive.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And at one or two in the morning Donald and I go down there you know cause he would stay down at the lumber barn at night. He was not a unmarried in fact oh about three years ago he had a heart attack #1 and died. And #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  this town misses him. But um he was a young man when he died but um we'd go down there at one or two oh clock in the morning and say this is driving us crazy you've got to help us you know. And he'd be down there working on the books and stuff.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Just a a work horse.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um they started I think they they started laying the foundation in October of seventy-one and in June of seventy-two we moved into this house. It took them almost nine months or ni- or over nine months. {NW} But you talk about frustrated and angry #1 and uptight. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  I thought I was gonna I even went down there one night just crying like everything. And I thought well maybe that'll work.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 So I went down there # boo-hooing asking when are you gonna get back on our house you know it's taken us so long we had the money borrowed you know and i- we're paying interest on
Interviewer:  #1 Oh boy. #
490:  #2 on # money and it was beginning to get a little tight.
Interviewer:  What was the problem, any one
490:  #1 Just they #
Interviewer:  #2 thing? #
490:  He just that way. He'd pull off off this job. And it rained a lot that winter and it was just solid mud all #1 the way around #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  here you know. And then some things they couldn't get in to do when it was raining you know. {NW} And i- they he only had one crew of real real good carpenters. And he knew I was gonna throw a fit if something if I had somebody up here that wasn't doing what they ought to be doing. So he would pull them off of this job and put them on another.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 You know # keep a- everybody satisfied. He's
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  spreading it too thin. And one time he put a guy on th- this lived in in town now that um he was had a drinking problem. And someti- he's an excellent painter and carpenter and everything but he goes on these little binges you know. {NW} And I came out here I left school one day and came out here and he was standing on a ladder right there at that entrance way and had that um molding that goes across the top of that entrance over there {NW} it was slanted at about a forty-five degree angle.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # And I said well wh-
Interviewer:  This won't
490:  #1 No #
Interviewer:  #2 do. #
490:  stop the music. So um I went down and told John I said I believe that you need to pull him off of that job. But see the wires sticking out right there that my husband wired the house for the sound system. #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 And he's #
490:  never gotten around to putting the
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 the # speakers in.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But that's one of his projects. He's got that project going and then our patio is not bricked. And we we're built into a side of a hill.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And they dug out Donald got there with a bulldozer and dug out because I didn't want that end of the house sticking way up out of the ground you know. {NW} So we built the house sort of into the side of the hill here. And our patio is about it has a wall that's about five feet lower the floor of the patio is about five feet lower than the the ground level outside. And there's a brick wall built all the way around it and Don said he's gonna brick the floor of the patio this summer. That was he was gonna do that last summer and he's says he's gonna do it this summer. I don't know #1 whether he will not #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Because he has he works long hours.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  He's would have to do it you know after about light. We would have to turn on the lights outside so he could do it. And I don't whether they would get around to doing it. {NW} But um we have three bedrooms downstairs and two baths. And then upstairs there are two bedrooms and a study area and we have a large attic that we're going to enclose and make a playroom for the boys. And put a bath up there.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Whenever Ben gets big enough to you know but he's just six months old now so It'll be a year and a half two years before I'd ready to send him upstairs by himself you
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 know. {C: exhaled} # And I don't know that Don's gonna be real thrilled about having two or three year old little old brother running around with him anyways. we're just waiting to see what we're gonna do about that.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But Donald has papered the foyer and the back hall and our bedroom. He did it last spring he's a real good hand I
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: think}. he's # expensive though. Cause he takes so long.
Interviewer:  Well I think that's uh that's nice if you can do a lot of the work
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 yourself. # Makes it
490:  He uh he's real proud of it.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 You know. # The fact that he could do what he did. An excellent job but we started in on on Saturday morning and um I was gonna help you know. Help hang up paper and everything and by noon I decided I'm gonna let you do this yourself. I couldn't do anything right. #1 I was in too big a hurry. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  You know I want.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  This kind. And he's slow. Tedious and wants everything just exactly perfect you know. But I quit.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
490:  #2 I h- # I flaked out on him. I said #1 gotta go. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  I'm going get out of here before we get into a real fight on this #1 paper. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  But it looks real good. And um he he's helps me around here he's a any of the yard. He works in the yard #1 a lot. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  He set out oh I don't know how many fir trees these dwarf trees out here in the side you may have seen them when you passed by. This spring they're supposed to bear in a couple years couple three years. {NW} And we have plum trees and nectarines and peaches and apples and cherry. Gooseberries, elderberries, raspberries, #1 blackberries #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Is there anything else left?
490:  We're gonna have a jungle around here.
Interviewer:  #1 That's nice. #
490:  #2 My # father owns a oh about six hundred acre farm that my my brother's farming now. And it would had a lot of wooded areas before Joe got out the bulldozer.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And most of them crop land. But we went out and got uh dogwood trees and tag them you know in the spring. {NW} They're has a lot of d- dogwood out there and um then we brought them back in the fall you know. Don loaded them up and set them in the yard and so in our backyard we have a lot of dogwood.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  White dogwood and then he's bought a couple three pink dogwoods so Whenever our trees mature and get a little bit you they're all pretty short now. But uh we're gonna have a yard full of gon- I'm gonna be out there with a chainsaw.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 It's gonna look it's {C: laughing} # crowded enough as it is.
Interviewer:  Oh that'll be nice though.
490:  Yep I'm hoping that it'll get it will be pretty but he puts fertilizer on the lawn like and course I'm the one that mows it in the summertime. And when it rains this yard needs mowing about twice a week.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Because he just keeps fertilizer poured to it. You know and spraying and then he keeps reseeding everything cause we have a pretty yard it's green and everything. But {NW}
Interviewer:  It's a lot of work.
490:  Yeah. It is but gives me something to do. Exercise.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Exercise-wise.
Interviewer:  What kind of grass is it?
490:  It's uh n- Kentucky number thirty-two Kentucky fescue
Interviewer:  #1 Got it down. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I've heard that too many times. #
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  A friend of mine up the street came down y- yesterday and she said they had redone her air conditioning unit. She had her unit had gone out {NW} and uh where they had dug up all around it they put a different size in and everything. They had dug it all up and made a loblolly out there. And she wanted she said I know y'all got grass seed. Have you got any to spare? I said I think he's put every bit of it on the yard. Cause she wanting to replant around where they had torn up so much around her air conditioning unit but I rummaged but I couldn't find any. I said he must've poured every bit of it on onto the yard cause I didn't have any.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  There's fertilizer and bark and everything back there. The only thing that Donald he's really a good hand of And he likes to be nice and neat and everything. But he'll work in the yard all day long but he will not put up the equipment. Or clean up after himself.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  He wants things to look nice {NW} but I just walk on behind with the broom you know #1 or dragging #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  the hoses back and everything. Because he'd leave it just sitting out just do that
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: clear} # That's the way he is about his person. He's nice and neat and wants all his clothes just perfect and everything. But he'll just leave a trail of stuff
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 you know {C: laughing} # getting himself neat.
Interviewer:  #1 That sounds familiar. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Yeah I guess all women have that complaint.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # About their husbands.
Interviewer:  Yep. Well you mentioned the living room in well do you consider the living room a uh the best room in the house
490:  #1 No. #
Interviewer:  #2 where you would entertain # company or or
490:  Oh you mean for yeah uh now we don't use this back the dining room. We've never eat-eaten off of it. {NW} The living room I've only let's see. When we have several couples in like when there's a ba- baseball game I mean a football game or something on that most of the women are not interested in then we come in here.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But as and far as having cocktail parties and things like that when I have a big party then we use the living room.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Um or like you know when you're here and somebody's else is in the back you know that's when I use the living room. Or when I'm playing the piano and that's about it. But it's the best room in the house but it's never used.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And a lot of our friends now that are building homes are not building living rooms into their h-houses. They're having what they call a grate room.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  You know it's just one big room in the house and th- they use that for all family living.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 Sometimes they have a # recreation room you know s-separate from that. {NW} But uh they don't not building living rooms much anymore.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  But we use our den for everything because it's large and it's got enough room so the kids can watch television in one area of it you know #1 we can still sit #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  back and have a conversation over on the sofas.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard of a living room called by any other name?
490:  Well I used to call it a parlor.
Interviewer:  Parlor.
490:  That's uh
Interviewer:  Would you say that's an old fashion
490:  Yeah that is {D: you don't} {NS} We have a some friends who bought a real old home here in Dresden. And they're redoing it and the process that {X} for about three years they're living there but they're redoing it. And she has uh what the well used to be the parlor. You walk in the foyer of the house
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And there's uh the dining room on one side and what used to be the parlor but the people who lived there before them the elderly people called the parlor
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  but they're used she calls it the living room now.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  But it's originally was a parlor.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um parlor and and living room I guess about the only I don't like that word. Parlor.
Interviewer:  Parlor. #1 Why? #
490:  #2 It's a really # Well it's uh you keep saying it. It's really distra- it's one of those words you know you keep saying it it sounds so funny.
Interviewer:  #1 Well you can do that to about anything. #
490:  #2 You say it over and over again. Yeah # but parlor just really turns me off.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: For some} reason {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #1 Okay fair enough. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Now what about sitting room? Have you ever heard it called #1 that? #
490:  #2 Yeah. # I have.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  But that's an old term too.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Have you ever been in a house with a fireplace?
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I'm gonna ask you a few a things about the fireplace.
490:  I've got one right back there in the den.
Interviewer:  #1 Ah-ha. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Do you use it?
490:  Uh-huh. Every winter. It's uh a chore. And but it we really enjoy it. In fact from about oh Thanksgiving on until the first of March we use it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Uh I don't think that it helps conserve energy at all because well mother and daddy had given us a glass fire screen for our it was our past Christmas present. We hadn't gone and picked it up yet because I hadn't found the one that I wanted #1 yet. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  But uh they are very helpful you know closing the glass up and everything when you're not using the fireplace.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But right now like when when the fire dies down at night then all your warm air is sucked right up the chimney.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: and out}. # So I'm hoping that the fireplace fire screen will help a lot.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  But you were talking about fireplaces.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 It was interesting. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What do you call the open area in front of the fireplace? It's kind of an open space. Right in front of it.
490:  #1 The hearth? #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # The hearth? Mm-hmm.
490:  That's what I uh when we were built the fire from when we were in the process of building the house I couldn't decide whether I wanted a raised hearth or whether I wanted the hearth that's you know even with the floor. And I decided that I wanted the one that was flat and even with the floor.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 Our hearth # is not raised.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And I wanted chairs that went up right next to the fireplace. And I thought that bricked fire you know a raised hearth and everything would be a little besides I wanted my den a little bit more formal you know
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 than a raised hearth is. # Usually r- raised hearth they real very casual you know and I have the mantle that is it's an old mantle that we found in an old house. And they refinished it for me. And um there's paneling all the way down to the mantle and then our mantle is dark.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 And # it's more formal than you know than I thought that a raised hearth would call for.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And I put the wingback chairs you know on either side of the hearth.
Interviewer:  Now what is a wingback chair?
490:  Wingback chair is what you're sitting in.
Interviewer:  Oh I see.
490:  Uh-huh. There's all different kinds of that's a Queen Anne wingback but um some of them are wider than that. The ones that are in the den are not as tall as that one. But they're they're wide the backs of them are wider.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Some of them are squatty and wide you know. And others real tall. Mother has a real tall wingback that's not comfortable at all.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And um it was my grandmother's but usually use them f- some of them called fireside chairs and then there's wingbacks and I I don't know I'm not up on furniture styles really enough to know but that's my favorite right there.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  One of these days I'm gonna have two blue chairs here on either side that's a hunt board. And on either side of my hunt board And then I'm gonna re-cover my dining chairs in a rust and gold and blue stripe. And then make me a {NW} a piano bench.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  That will match it. And I do some cruel work you know but
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 needlework and everything. And I # going to my sister-in-law is a artist. She can draw just about anything {X} and I'm gonna get her to design the fabric and then I'm gonna do the cruel work for the piano stool. One of these days.
Interviewer:  Mm. What kind of chairs would you call those?
490:  Uh they are the chairs that go with the dining suit. They're the I don't whether they're call master's chairs or captain's chairs. Each company you know calls them #1 something different. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  But they're just the the two armchairs that go with the dining suit.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And those chairs over there without arms?
490:  Uh-huh. They go I have eight chairs that go. My table e- extends to seat eight.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  And I don't know if that'll ever room right there to do it but uh. Donald says he doesn't understand what we had to have a table for if he I'm not gonna let him eat off of it.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And I said I'm not gonna let anybody eat off of it until I get a pad to go on it because I don't want it scarred up you know. Besides I'm just not into real formal things you know. Serving stuff like that. One of these days I may do that. But until my children get a little bit bigger I'm not letting them eat on this gold #1 carpet. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  {NW} And I'm gonna put um oriental rug here in the center of the floor and one out there in the foyer. One of these days.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 There's all kinds # of projects that I've got in the back of my mind. That I like to you know work on year by year.
Interviewer:  Well that's good {D: then}.
490:  But when we first well we lived in the house for three years and there wasn't anything in this room except my piano. We just add a little bit at a time. I d- I it's course there there's dual reasons for that but one reason we don't have the money to furnish that all at once and besides I wouldn't want to do it all at one #1 time I don't think. #
Interviewer:  #2 No. #
490:  It's more fun to have something new #1 you know every once #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  in a awhile. I just got this picture oh two couple three months ago. And until then there wasn't anything on the wall.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 And I just # add a little bit as we #1 go along. #
Interviewer:  #2 Sure. #
490:  That's more fun that way.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Bragging about I got something new.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  That's right.
490:  It's really an unusual thing. My sister made the picture here. My sister-in-law.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  She's um doing some ceramic work.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
490:  And um she made the picture for me and she's in the process of making the big bowl
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
490:  that goes with it. And um I'm real proud of that she she does an excellent job.
Interviewer:  Now she's not um patterning it after the old fashion place you know where men wash their #1 face #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #1 Oh is that right. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. Like a # I what do they call that wash bowl or something?
Interviewer:  #1 I'm just not sure. #
490:  #2 Wash picture. # Anyway. That it has the bowl that goes with it and it's real big.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And whenever I get my blue chairs over there I think that'll be real pretty.
Interviewer:  Yeah it will be nice.
490:  Okay. I had the kids pictures made and I didn't have any place to put it in the den. I didn't have a pic- a picture frame for it yet so I just brought it in here and stuck it on the hunt board.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  But I've got lots of things that I want I want to do but I I got lots of time to do it so.
Interviewer:  Yes.
490:  It's taking my time we're invested in a pontoon boat this spring instead of furniture though.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 We're #
Interviewer:  Donald said he was gonna get something for himself.
490:  #1 So we invested #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  in a pontoon boat. And we're going up this weekend and {NW} stay up there {NW} with it it's real nice. You can put the
Interviewer:  Where do you take it?
490:  To Kentucky Lake. You know where that is? That's Tennessee River you know bisects Tennessee you know around here like this and uh there are the Cumberland River joins the Tennessee River and then you can get to the Mississippi River.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Off this but uh the Ohio and the Cumberland and the Tennessee are all in and Mississippi are all in this area you know. We have a lot of water recreation areas. And um the T-V-A when they built Kentucky Dam then created Kentucky Lake. And most everybody in this area goes there. Course we have Reelfoot Lake.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm yeah mm. #
490:  #2 You know down around {D: Tensionville} # But as far as u- you know boating and things like that that's just cause there's cypress stumps all
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah I know what you mean. #
490:  #2 through that thing. #
Interviewer:  I was {D: out in} that thing {D: where} we ran over several
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  in a rowboat.
490:  But uh it's good fishing area but we're not into fishing much.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  So we take gonna put the boat in in Kentucky Lake. We just bought it last Thursday and we only got about a couple hours on it last weekend because Donald's in the National Guard
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  and he had to go on overnight guard trip #1 last weekend so. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  It put a damper on our #1 boating trip #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  But we're just you know real excited about going this weekend.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But um it can seat fifteen and it can pull four skiers.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  So course we don't have any skies yet but we're gonna work on that project #1 too. Cause I #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. #
490:  really like to ski.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  And um
Interviewer:  Do you know how to?
490:  Mm-hmm. I learned oh when I was about ten years old and my parents never owned a boat but my aunt and uncle did and then we had lots of friends you know that lot of people around here
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 own boats # because it we're so close it's just about forty-five miles
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 to Kentucky Lake. # And it's a real nice area up there they have a lot of resort areas. Plus the state has a a hotel there.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And a park.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: Paris Landing} # State Park is there. And um there's lot of resort areas where you can dock your boats. And we went up Memorial Day Weekend not Memorial Day but the Sunday before Memorial Day and you couldn't stir them with a stick. You couldn't ski because there were so many boats that they would kept they kept the water so stirred up
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  that it was really difficult and that's a big place. Course we don't we don't ski in the main channel Tennessee River because it's it's really rough all the time. The big barges come down through and everything but there's {NW} {D: solid} Blood River and Cypress Cove and just lot of little areas off of it. And a lot of our friends here have campings up
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 there. # And i- this one friend in particular when we go up sometimes on the weekend you know and stay with them. So now we have something to contribute.
Interviewer:  Right.
490:  He's an orthodontist here in in town and he had um he has a pontoon boat and a two speed boats and a huge sailboat
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 that you can sleep on # overnight.
Interviewer:  #1 Wow. #
490:  #2 And he # has four children. #1 And um #
Interviewer:  #2 Must be {D: great} #
490:  he's uh he's a good friend now.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # We call that his friendship. No I'm just kidding. We've been buddies long. And uh they have a nice cabin and we go up and stay sometimes overnight you know with them.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I love to sail too. Have you ever sailed?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Oh that's fantastic.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah a friend of mine and #
490:  #2 I was really lucky. #
Interviewer:  I went up to Lake Martin years ago his uh his family had a cabin up there. And um got out that sailboat and it's first time I'd been in one and you know where you have to
490:  #1 Oh I know. #
Interviewer:  #2 lean on those things. # And you just your head's skimming across the
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 top of the water like that. #
490:  But it's great.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  They have a little uh {D: cabin around have two cabin rands} and whenever there's my cousin and his wife own one of the cabin {D: rands} and then this other couple on the other one. And they race sometimes. They get up a good wind comes up you know and that's they're gonna kill themselves #1 {D: right here} because they're #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  they're really reckless. Trying to beat each other you know. And I was gonna ride with Joe the one the orthodontist. And he I didn't know what I was supposed to do but from one of those things to the other you know you have to prac- crawl from #1 {D: one to other was} like little cats. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. Mm-hmm. #
490:  And that thing s-swing around that sail swing around he'd say duck gas it and I was just in constant work the whole time.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 I thought # oh I gotta get off this thing.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: That is supposed to be fun} #
490:  #2 but the other sailboat that they have is # was you can sleep eight on it.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 so it's a big # boat and that you just lie there on the top and go to sleep on the top of that deck you know it's it's really great I enjoy it a lot. I hope that my children enjoy the water already
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 When Don was # three he could swim.
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  And I was {D: Don} patiently
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 taught him # to swim. But I was not I mean he I wouldn't trust him off by himself of course you know and we were on a speedboat and another speedboat these friends of ours pulled up beside us and said Don you wanna ride with us? Without a life jacket or anything he jumped off into the water right out in the middle of the Tennessee River.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And started swimming over to that other boat. I was petrified. He made it. Course we were all going one guy jumped in the water you know making sure that he did but he's not not afraid of the devil.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah I guess #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 not. #
490:  #2 And he's # Woo that scared me so badly cause I thought mm that he didn't even think about it. You know just #1 and he was #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  about three and a half years old. But that was our first experience. Last year in Florida we were in out on the beach in front of the house that we were renting and we saw two two or three sand sharks.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 Not oh # hundred feet from shore. And um I couldn't get him out of the water. He's staying hey mama look, look at the sharks.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 And I said come on #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: come up here} {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 {D: get here oh} {C: laughing} # But uh they had a lot trouble
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  middle of the summer last year down there with the sharks #1 attacking some people. #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  #1 They're sand sharks. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  They're small sharks but they're still dangerous.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But it we're not going back down there this summer. We're staying up here and and getting trying to get our our money's worth out of that boat.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  But um I I got so you know I was a little bit afraid I guess I didn't see Jaws but I read the book.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: so I was scared} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. I I missed out on Jaws.
490:  Well I didn't either I didn't waste my time I read the book #1 and it's a #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  bunch of malarkey.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  They have another one now out with Robert
Interviewer:  #1 Jaws two #
490:  #2 Shaw The Deep. #
Interviewer:  #1 The Deep oh yeah. #
490:  #2 Well yeah The Deep. # But uh it's supposed to be even more lifelike
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 than Jaws # where they use real sharks instead of that apparatus that they had built {NW} to look like a shark.
Interviewer:  no. Just more sensational #1 I guess. #
490:  #2 Oh I know it. # These movies that they've got out now. Earthquake and fire
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 and # blood. I don't think that's a but #1 all it does is scare everybody to death. #
Interviewer:  #2 That's a lot of {X} Yeah. #
490:  And they'll sit there and watch that stuff.
Interviewer:  Mm. I made the mistake of going to see just for a lark uh what's the name of that thing. Uh Midway or something like that. It was done in they call it {D: sense surround}
490:  Yeah I saw that advertised on television.
Interviewer:  Oh well. {NW} If it ever if it ever comes back don't go see it. Don't go {D: where} see anything that advertises as {D: sense surround} because I walked in and there were these enormous banks of speakers on both sides of the auditorium inside the theater and down on the stage so w- banks of of speakers I mean big things you know like the size of this size of this uh this wall. And uh well they would have uh a sequence on film of of uh airplanes taking off of an aircraft carrier and those speakers get cranked up and it was like you were standing next to one of those next to one of those planes you know. You didn't hear the sound so much as you felt it. And I was
490:  Ooh that'd drive me #1 crazy. I would #
Interviewer:  #2 I know. #
490:  get up and leave.
Interviewer:  And course there were there were bombing scenes.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  I think I actually felt like someone dropped a bomb on top of you. Just like that. I mean it just make you shake. It's uh one of
490:  #1 I think my imagination #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  is vivid enough
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 without having to #
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  beat my head up against a wall
Interviewer:  Don't need to open
490:  #1 I remember when used to have #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: to do that} #
490:  three-D movies.
Interviewer:  #1 I don't think I #
490:  #2 I don't know well you're not old enough # to have seen a three D movie. {NW} We used to go down to the big uptown theater down downtown it's closed up now it's a Masonic hall now
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 but # That uh that used to be the thing on Saturday afternoon you know or Thursday nights it on during #1 summertime. Course I #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  I was never allowed out of the house during the week you know because I was supposed to be studying and everything but get those three-D glasses on and everything and go watch my and then the first time that I ever saw anything in a I don't know what they called it then it was the same thing sensor it do same thing as Sensurround but it wasn't didn't have the sound and #1 everything around #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  the screen you know what I'm talking about. I
Interviewer:  #1 {X} Yeah yeah. #
490:  #2 something like a cinema or something like that. # And I I saw several movies like that um how the west was won I saw in whatever cinema whatever it was called in Memphis. And that it really is lifelike a stage coach went off of a cliff or something
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  #1 And you just felt like you know you're going off with it you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  A rollercoaster's going
Interviewer:  #1 Oh yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: over them} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 You know you feel like # oh they're really strange sensations.
Interviewer:  They have some strange gimmicks with movies. One time they had something called {D: Smellavision} And you {C: laughing} They actually
490:  #1 Oh yuck. #
Interviewer:  #2 they thought {D: it was going to be} # giving off various scents you know. It was supposed to be coordinated with what was going on
490:  ooh
Interviewer:  on the screen. It was strange. {C: laughing}
490:  I guess so.
Interviewer:  Always wondered if there would be an appropriate thing movie about a stockyard or something
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 gross #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Oh me.
Interviewer:  Well I'll get back to the fireplace for a minute.
490:  Mm-kay.
Interviewer:  What do you call those uh those bigs chunks of wood that you burn in the fireplace?
490:  Logs?
Interviewer:  Just logs.
490:  Mm-hmm. Uh since Daddy has a farm we have not had to buy any firewood yet.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  A quart of wood and around here cost about forty dollars.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
490:  A quart of wood in Memphis is about a hundred and twenty-five dollars. And um forty dollars when Donald can get out with a chainsaw #1 at the farm you know #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  and cut down white oak trees. You don't cut down any other kind of tree if you got white oak white oak cause white oak burns better
Interviewer:  Hmm.
490:  Than any other kind of wood in a fireplace it doesn't pop #1 you know and last #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  a long time and um so he would every winter. But he waits until it gets so blame cold you know.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  to go out there I told him I don't know why he didn't cause you have to let the wood cure a little bit you know before it'll burn good cause you put all green logs in there and it's it's a good fire after it gets going.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: you know} # But it takes a long time for it to get rolling.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  {NW} But um. We d- have everything big area out there on the patio you just. But we can go through it like crazy.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I mean. # But that is the nicest thing
Interviewer:  #1 yeah. #
490:  #2 on a cold winter's night # get up there in front of the fire now I gave us a I uh popcorn popper for part of our Christmas present. And um that's fun the kids like to do
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 that you know. # Put popcorn hold it over that
Interviewer:  #1 Oh really. #
490:  #2 sticks {D: up} # Gets hot #1 you know your hands #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  get hot but There's all kind of but it's messy too. That and
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 marshmallows in the fireplace {C: laughing} # Don did that last winter and that was messy had marshmallows all over the hearth and everything
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 it's {X} # But it's fun.
Interviewer:  Well what about the wood that you use to start the fire you know the kind that
490:  #1 Kindling. #
Interviewer:  #2 burns. # Kindling.
490:  Uh-huh. And um where we got our kindling from this uh elderly colored man down at the plant has a junkyard that he just started off down the plant is down sort of a wooded #1 area. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  And across a lake and um there lot of people bring stuff and fill in you know off the highway there. It's not it's not a dump but it's it's a dump but it's not garbage and things like that. It's industrial waste.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  That uh like at a kindling I mean in a saw mill. Then they bring a lot of the sawdust and stuff and fill it in cause the city's trying to fill in part of it.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And um this colored man had um told one of the companies down there to bring all this wood and everything and dump in there and it's the best kindling you ever #1 saw. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  So Donald will stop up there and ask him for a whole truckload of that about oh about once a winter.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  So we use that for kindling and that's just the greatest thing. First winter that uh we lived here they didn't clean out the attic good. You know they had a lot of boards and stuff like that. So we just left it piled it up in there and we burned stuff out of the attic.
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: For} started # kindling stuff you know. {NW} And these friends of ours that are remodeling this old house uh they were tearing down the staircase and everything and they were living in the house but they built a new fireplace in there and so Wayne just went up there and tore down the staircase a little bit at a time. He used it he used it for kindling I said if that's not white trash living I
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {X} {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 He's gonna break up the furniture and everything. # Feeding the fire to keep yourself warm.
Interviewer:  Oh that's funny.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Good mm} #
490:  But he got his staircase torn down.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Oh yeah} Very very economical. #
490:  #2 And he didn't have to cart it off either. Burned it up in the fireplace. #
Interviewer:  #1 Very practical. {C: laughing} #
490:  #2 That's right that's right. {C: laughing} # They have a really a fine home now.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Redone it looks ooh it's beautiful.
Interviewer:  Well what do you these things that you lay the logs across inside of the fireplace.
490:  andirons
Interviewer:  andirons. Ever heard those called any other anything else?
490:  Uh. Something dogs.
Interviewer:  #1 Dogs. #
490:  #2 Dog irons. #
Interviewer:  Dog irons?
490:  Dog irons I think is what I I remember my grandparents calling them dog irons I believe #1 is what they called them. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. # Mm. I meant to ask you a second ago about kindling. Have you ever heard that called uh by any other name? Just kindling.
490:  I don't think so. Just kindling is all I ever
Interviewer:  What about light wood?
490:  No I've never heard that term.
Interviewer:  People in my part of the country call it that.
490:  #1 Light wood. #
Interviewer:  #2 Light wood or or {D: lightered} #
490:  #1 Lightered. #
Interviewer:  #2 Kind of contracted. # You know.
490:  Oh I see. I never heard that before.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  That's interesting.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 I think I'd like to # do what you're doing.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Well # for the most part uh uh things are pretty much the same in this part of Tennessee and South Alabama with just a few exceptions. That's one um another one that I {D: will} get into now you know this this animal with the hard shell that can {D: throw} his head in. Kinda like the
490:  Turtles or terrapins.
Interviewer:  {D: What} what's the difference.
490:  Um terrapin's shell is shaped differently. Um I heard my son explain this to my father the other day. Daddy said that he had found a turtle out on the patio at their house. And Donald went out there and he said Pop that's not terr- turtle that's a terrapin. {NW} And Daddy said well how can you tell the difference and this this is an eight year old's explanation so I don't know whether it's true or not but he said that a turtle shell is rounder. Is more round. And a terrapin has sort of um sharp corners.
Interviewer:  Mm. Yeah.
490:  Comes out you know like like that like a mm {X} what I'm thinking of is a wave #1 Way a wave does you know. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm {D: yeah I know what you} #
490:  And uh the coloring is different on the back too.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And that's what he said.
Interviewer:  Well does it make any difference as to where they live like one stays around the water
490:  #1 I #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: one's} #
490:  think a terrapin is more of a land #1 animal. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah #
490:  And uh we used to where mother and Daddy live there's a big they live up on a high hill and a lot of trees and everything. And there's a creek that runs down the one side. {NW} And there were always a lot of terrapins and things that came up i- #1 on #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  live around in our backyard and everything. And they course they'd go in they're mean as a snake they'll bite you #1 if you're not careful #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  and we used to act real low and take matches you know um thinking and he'll come out of his shell if you hold a match underneath him.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  That was ugly. But
Interviewer:  #1 {X} you know. #
490:  #2 We used to do it. # We did it all the time. {NW}
Interviewer:  So have you ever heard a terrapin called anything else.
490:  #1 Mm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Besides that. #
490:  Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  Well that was what I was getting around to. A lot of well older people in South Alabama {D: would} call a terrapin a gopher.
490:  A gopher.
Interviewer:  A gopher. Course most people up here a- #1 associate it with some kind of rodent #
490:  #2 Gopher {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 or something like that. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  But the terrapin is a gopher
490:  #1 Oh I didn't know that. #
Interviewer:  #2 to a lot of people in South Alabama. # Yeah. Strange.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} Let me ask another fireplace question. {NW} The uh the stuff that forms on the sides inside the fireplace that black stuff what do you call that?
490:  Soot.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And when the wood burns down there's nothing left but the
490:  Ashes.
Interviewer:  What color are those usually?
490:  Gray.
Interviewer:  Gray.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And say the top of a house that the smoke comes out of.
490:  Chimney.
Interviewer:  What about the the tall thing that you might see at a factory. #1 That the smoke c- #
490:  #2 Smokestack. #
Interviewer:  You call that a smokestack. And the thing that you're sitting on.
490:  Uh I used to call it a couch all the time I think I call the den couches couches
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  For some reason I call the living room one a sofa.
Interviewer:  Sofa.
490:  It may be that this is more formal #1 or something. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #1 But usually #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  Well now I have a the long couch back there and then I have a loveseat so when I when I call them in conjunction with each other if I say I say sofa and loveseat.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But when I'm just saying Don get yourself up off of that couch
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 with those dirty # pants on. #1 You know. It's couch. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  I don't say sofa when I'm just coming up for some reason #1 I'm not #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  I wondered about why I do that. But this is always sofa.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Mm. And have you ever heard uh a sofa called
490:  #1 {D: Yeah.} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  What you mentioned a while ago the Davenport I've hear- I've r- read that mostly in Victorian novels and stuff like that.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But as far as my calling it th- Davenport I #1 never have. #
Interviewer:  #2 Never. # Well what about uh some things that you would typically have in a bedroom.
490:  Okay. Um course there's the bed {NS} and chest of drawers and the dresser and there's an armoire that I'm looking at Bride's Furniture {D: the Duker} that I want so badly.
Interviewer:  Now what is it?
490:  An armoire. It's a very large it's a French piece of furniture. It's very large and reaches to the ceiling and it has two large doors that open up and then has drawers on one side and there's a place to put uh knick knacks and stuff like that.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 It's # the French used to use it you know for their closet. That's all they had for the- did- they didn't build closets #1 you know #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  in houses. {NW} But it is beautiful and I would like it I'd like to get rid of the chest that I have in there
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  and put the armoire but our bedroom's really not large enough for it. But I always wanted one in place of the chest and then there's also a lingerie chest that goes with my bedroom set that I'd like to have but I don't have any room for it. And then I have two end tables.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  All we only have the one but I have the other one ordered.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: you know.} # I been waiting three or four months for it.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Yeah. {X}
Interviewer:  Well is there anything that equivalent to this armoire. That you were talking about uh.
490:  #1 No. #
Interviewer:  #2 We used to see them when before people had the the built in closets. You could move it out if you had to but it was #
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 built exclusively # for hanging clothes.
490:  Yeah um. Oh my grandmother had one of them and I can't remember what she called it. Uh Chifforobe.
Interviewer:  Is that what it is?
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 That chifforobe that's #
490:  #2 I- #
Interviewer:  exclusively for hanging
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: clothes} #
490:  And it well it has uh hers had um a mirror. It was a long mirror on one side of it and it had the other part had hangers.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {D: Or} maybe a rod # to hang clothes on. So when you opened it up you know you put your clothes on then the mirror was built into it on one side and then down in the middle there was some little bitty drawers down there like for jewelry and #1 things like that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # #1 {D: Would you ever} #
490:  #2 And she called it # Chifforobe.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Have you ever heard of anything called a wardrobe.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What is that?
490:  That's the same thing.
Interviewer:  #1 Same thing as a chifforobe #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard of a chiffonier?
490:  No.
Interviewer:  Never heard of that.
490:  That sounds like a French term too.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Well what about uh the things that you have over your windows to keep out the light.
490:  Draperies.
Interviewer:  #1 The draperies. #
490:  #2 Okay. # I own drapes or draperies.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  If I'm talking about the kitchen I call them curtains.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  The kitchen curtains and the living room drapes. {NW}
Interviewer:  They're basically the same thing.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 What about these things that are on rollers. Some people have you know you can pull them down. #
490:  #2 Shades. #
Interviewer:  Those would be #1 the shades. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  And these things that are uh slanted you can adjust.
490:  Venetian blinds.
Interviewer:  You mentioned uh you were talking about the kitchen a minute ago. Have you ever seen any old houses uh that have the kitchen that's a as a separate part that's away from the house.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Is that called anything
490:  #1 Um. #
Interviewer:  #2 in particular? #
490:  Just the kitchen I guess and usually had a breezeway in between. Um I'm an old house addict and any time we go any place you know and it's got a a house that's open to tourists you know
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I worry him to death till he'll stop.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  And uh cour- we have the hermitage in in Nashville which is probably I guess the best known house in in Tennessee as far as an old and it it has its kitchen separate from that. There's huge fireplaces and everything with kettles and stuff hanging from it. Like to do go and see things like that.
Interviewer:  Any idea why the kitchen #1 would be kept separate? #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # Because they didn't have air conditioning #1 like we have now and the #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Oh right} #
490:  s- smell of the cooking was offensive to ladies' and gentlemen's noses.
Interviewer:  Oh I see.
490:  And so then and the heat and everything so they #1 keep the heat and #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  everything away from the house.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh maybe a little room just off the kitchen where you might keep uh extra dishes or canned goods
490:  #1 {D: Okay} a pantry. #
Interviewer:  #2 something like that. # #1 {X} #
490:  #2 That's what I call that. #
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called differently?
490:  Um. No. Don't think so.
Interviewer:  Maybe a kitchen closet or
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  something like that.
490:  Mostly pantry is wh-
Interviewer:  #1 Mostly pantry. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  You mentioned junk a minute ago. Have you ever known anybody who had a separate room in their house where they put all their junk.
490:  My mother-in-law.
Interviewer:  What she call that room?
490:  Her junk #1 room. #
Interviewer:  #2 Her junk room. # {NW}
490:  And boy can she accumulate it. {NW} Lots of it. About once every year she'll get in there and start straightening up. I used to have one upstairs our first bedroom. We didn't have a bed or anything so when before I got organized in the house enough to know where I wanted things and and got my attic straightened up and everything I've had a a junk room upstairs.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And I got junk drawers right now in the kitchen.
Interviewer:  Junk drawer.
490:  One junk drawer. It keeps hammers and nails and you know anything that I need to screwdrivers and stuff.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 My junk drawer. # Looks pretty junky
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 most of the time. #
Interviewer:  Yeah. Sometimes in the morning when you get up you might go around the house and oh I don't know straighten up something here or something like w- what do you say you're doing when you
490:  #1 Picking up. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Just picking up
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 things. # Mm-hmm.
490:  I got if I say my house is um it's not dirty but it needs picking up.
Interviewer:  Needs picking up.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Well what about when you have a lot of dirty clothes and you gotta get 'em clean do you so you have to do your
490:  Laundry.
Interviewer:  Your laundry.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Anything else
490:  #1 Um #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: that that?} #
490:  I gotta wash clothes.
Interviewer:  Wash clothes.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And what about um things that you have to step up to get from the yard up to uh the front.
490:  Front steps.
Interviewer:  Front steps.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And if they're inside the house like going up the one floor to another you call those uh
490:  #1 Staircase. #
Interviewer:  #2 Say you're going up the # the staircase.
490:  Uh-huh. Or the stairs.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. {D: Got} an area in front of the house uh you know where you'd have might have chairs or it might be screened in #1 uh. #
490:  #2 Okay. # Um if it's screened in I usually call it a sun porch and if it's just open it's just a front porch.
Interviewer:  #1 Just a front porch. Have you ever heard that? #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Uh-huh. Um in older houses especially in the South call it the gallery I think.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And then uh around the turn of the century I think they called it a veranda.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  But uh and of course that was that was uh an old Southern term too I think. Veranda. That's what Scarlet said you know.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 She's you know it's {D: called} #
Interviewer:  #2 Scarlet with the veranda. # You ever you ever call it piazza?
490:  Huh-uh and that's that's a um Italian term I #1 think. #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  #1 And #
Interviewer:  #2 With a # Southern #1 pronunciation #
490:  #2 Yeah. Right. # That's right.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen a a porch that extended around the sides
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 of the house. #
490:  My mother was born in a house like that. In fact the porch went all around and her they called it the veranda.
Interviewer:  They called it
490:  Went all the way around to the back part of the house in fact um till about halfway on either side of the back part. It was that way and then it dipped in inside #1 and they had a #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  where mother did the washing and #1 stuff like that #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Well what about something like a porch that might be on another story. You ever see anything #1 like that. #
490:  #2 Uh balcony # is what I'd #1 call it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Just a balcony. #
490:  Yeah. Second story balcony or something like that.
Interviewer:  {D: Going to} ask you a oh I meant to you ask you about uh when you were talking about cleaning up this thing uh that you use to sweep with.
490:  Broom.
Interviewer:  Just a broom.
490:  I don't use that much. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 A vacuum cleaner? #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 A vacuum cleaner. #
Interviewer:  Have you ever seen a broom that uh oh that didn't have a a wooden handle but it was all straw or something like straw? {D: I don't know if} {X}
490:  A handmaid type deal?
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Yeah um they still you know you still buy them.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  If you want more so for decorating purposes and things like that Ozarks there was a man at those art film festival {X} that wasn't at the film festival but at the fall festival that we went to.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  There were man was making brooms like that and he could whip one up in about fifteen minutes.
Interviewer:  So they were still called brooms
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 though. #
490:  As far as and the little ones were whisk brooms.
Interviewer:  Yeah. {D: Imma} ask you about this expression let's say the the broom were in a corner and the door was open so that you couldn't see it and I was looking for the broom you'd say well the broom's
490:  Behind the door.
Interviewer:  And if I if I came in and let the door open and you didn't want to say that what do you tell me to
490:  Close the door.
Interviewer:  Close the door.
490:  #1 Shut it right now. #
Interviewer:  #2 Anything else. Shut the door. #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {D: You know} on some frame houses the uh on the outside the uh the uh sides overlap each other kind of like that.
490:  Uh-huh clapboard.
Interviewer:  Clapboard.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Is that is there another term for that #1 that you heard. #
490:  #2 Um. # I don't think so.
Interviewer:  Web boards maybe
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 You ever heard it called that? #
490:  {D: ruther board} yeah. But clapboard mostly.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what do you this uh the word when you get in the car you say you got to. What are you saying you're doing?
490:  Drive?
Interviewer:  Drive a car.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And the past form of that word. Yesterday I
490:  Drove.
Interviewer:  And you have
490:  Driven.
Interviewer:  Uh this this thing that uh well the entire covering on a house let's call it
490:  Roof.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And some houses have different uh different slopes
490:  #1 Pitches. #
Interviewer:  #2 of roof. #
490:  Different pitch #1 roof. #
Interviewer:  #2 Different pitch yeah. # And what about uh the area or the place where the two slopes come together like that have you ever heard of that?
490:  That's not an eave is it?
Interviewer:  #1 Uh. #
490:  #2 An eave is at the corner. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah I think that's right. #
490:  #2 Let's see that's um #
Interviewer:  Just where the two slopes meet. Place where you might have to
490:  #1 An ell #
Interviewer:  #2 Something. #
490:  Is that the ell?
Interviewer:  An ell?
490:  I don't E-L-L I don't know whether that's it or not.
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called a valley?
490:  uh-uh.
Interviewer:  The valley {D: roof} mm.
490:  I don't think so.
Interviewer:  Well what about these things on the edge of the roof that carry off the water
490:  #1 The gutters. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # The gutters.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Are those usually built in or suspended or what?
490:  Um they're just attached to the to the eave of the roof on this house.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Right underneath where the roof comes and the gutter is right there.
Interviewer:  Mm. Have you ever seen a maybe on a farm or or elsewhere a little building might have it out back for keeping firewood or tools
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 or something like that. # What would that be called?
490:  Well uh granddaddy had a tool shed. He also had a smokehouse.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And um. I think now Donald talks about building a workshop.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 You know # something outside the house.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 But there're # building regulations and he can't do it anyway can't put an out building out
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 out there. {C: laughing} # Anyway but mostly tool shed.
Interviewer:  Tool shed.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about the days before uh indoor plumbing you had an outdoor {C: metal rattling} #1 toilet somewhere #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #1 What would that #
490:  #2 Outhouse. #
Interviewer:  {NS} Outhouse
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard that called anything besides outhouse.
490:  Yeah but not not nice terms.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} talking about. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about privy?
490:  Mm-hmm yeah. That
Interviewer:  Pretty common.
490:  but not in this area much the most of us call them outhouse.
Interviewer:  Just outhouse. {X} Talking about uh w- did you say your father he had done some farming.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What {D: were have} some typical uh buildings that you'd find on a farm.
490:  Okay. Barn Chicken house. We used to have a chicken house. Um the farrowing house for the pigs.
Interviewer:  The what kinda?
490:  Farrowing house.
Interviewer:  Fairing.
490:  I don't know how you spell that I've always wondered but that's where you put the baby pigs with their with the sows and #1 everything #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
490:  And when they're having them and with the heat and everything and
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 you know to # keep them
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 from being exposed # to the weather and everything Farrowing maybe farrowing house
Interviewer:  #1 That sounds {D: right to me} #
490:  #2 F-A-R #
Interviewer:  #1 Haven't heard that before. #
490:  #2 {D: Farin} house. # That's an old pig term.
Interviewer:  An old
490:  #1 Old pig term. #
Interviewer:  #2 Old {D: pig} #
490:  {NW} Um. This guy that lives out across from Mother and Daddy had a fine farrowing house. And it had air conditioning and everything in it. And he had about twenty thousand dollars worth of pigs in it and it burned.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  And he had just built it and it had not he hadn't insured it.
Interviewer:  Oh boy.
490:  And he lost his hope and the house and then twenty thousand dollars worth of pigs. Smelled good out #1 there for a while. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Like roast pig {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Barbecue {C: laughing} #
490:  #1 That's right {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. #
490:  It's sad.
Interviewer:  Well what about a a place uh that would be used exclusively for storing grain maybe corn or something like that.
490:  Okay um silo.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Is what Joe calls them um else there's a separate thing he calls a granary and I don't know what the difference is.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  granary and the silo. I don't know.
Interviewer:  {D: Well} have you heard of a uh place where you might keep corn exclusively? Any names for that?
490:  Corn. Corn crib.
Interviewer:  Corn crib.
490:  Yeah. We always got mice.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Can always count on mice # to run in corn crib.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  Mm.
Interviewer:  Well what about the upper part of a barn. What do you
490:  Loft. #1 A loft. #
Interviewer:  #2 or # Mm-hmm. And before the hay is baled sometimes it's uh piled up you know #1 in a field. #
490:  #2 Haystack. #
Interviewer:  Now w- what's the shape of those just in general.
490:  Conical.
Interviewer:  #1 Conical. #
490:  #2 You j- # Yeah they uh now they're s- stacking hay you know gotten that these big machines are hay stackers.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  And it's lot of people are stacking their hay in the or rolling them into big round bales.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Storing them in the fields rather than taking them and putting them in the hay loft.
Interviewer:  Mm. Have you ever heard any terms for small piles of hay swept up in a field?
490:  Mm. I don't know that wind roll it.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 That # I don't know if that's what you're talking about or not.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh uh sometimes the farmer will use a wagon. Uh out {X} you know bring it in. Anything that would call other than just wagon?
490:  Just a hay wagon.
Interviewer:  Just a hay wagon. Or have you ever seen a place where uh uh keeping hay other than the loft like the uh oh some sort of structure on with four poles and
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 a roof on it # something like that.
490:  Uh-huh. I don't know what that there was a term for it I don't know what it was.
Interviewer:  Okay.
490:  I've never seen it done
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh the place that you might keep your cows if you didn't want them to stay outside you would just put them
490:  In a barn.
Interviewer:  Just in a barn.
490:  Or lean-to. I have a little lean-to out it's out it's the barn my grandfather used to have out in old home places that's got a lean-to #1 to it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  You know. And the cows stayed underneath there {C: whirring noise}
Interviewer:  And what about the place where you would keep horses inside. {C: whirring noise}
490:  Mm. #1 Horse barn is what we always called it. #
Interviewer:  #2 Horse barn. Anything else? #
490:  Uh stables.
Interviewer:  Stable. Where would the cows be milked if they were being milked inside.
490:  Mm. Dairy barn.
Interviewer:  #1 Dairy barn. #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Okay. Have you ever uh heard of a place where a farmer might have his cows until he got a lot of manure there and he uh used it you know for fertilizer.
490:  Uh.
Interviewer:  Would you call that #1 anything #
490:  #2 Uh-uh. #
Interviewer:  in particular? Have you ever heard the word compost?
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What is that?
490:  That's when you uh all the like leaves or any debris or anything that's on the in the yard then you pile it up. And some people put chemicals on it to make it ferment.
Interviewer:  Right
490:  Smells horrible when they do that.
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 And then they use it # to put around flowers. And especially roses and things like that. {X} spring.
Interviewer:  Well what about a place where the {X} might be kept other than the place that you answered? Uh
490:  Um.
Interviewer:  If they were just fenced in or something like #1 that #
490:  #2 Pig pen. #
Interviewer:  Pig pen.
490:  Mm-hmm. Loblolly.
Interviewer:  #1 Loblolly. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh what about the kind of farm that uh uh on which you have cows being raised only for milk.
490:  #1 Dairy farm. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Have you ever heard of a place where uh before we had refrigeration where people would take things that spoil easily like milk and butter maybe down to the flowing water and put them in that to keep them cool.
490:  Um. Mother talks about the well house that they used to have. They had a had a well and then before they put the well in there was a spring that was there and they called it the spring house and they a little covering covering over it things there things laying out milk and things like that to keep them from spoiling.
Interviewer:  #1 Yo- #
490:  #2 In the spring house. #
Interviewer:  You ever heard of people putting it down the well to keep it #1 cool? #
490:  #2 Suspended? #
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # In books, but I've never heard of any really I really like {C: phone ringing} #1 Excuse me. #
Interviewer:  #2 Go ahead # What about uh uh an open place around a barn where the animals might just walk around.
490:  #1 Barn yard. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Just a barn yard. And the place where your cows would graze you call that
490:  Uh pasture.
Interviewer:  Pasture. Is that usually
490:  Meadow, but
Interviewer:  #1 A meadow. #
490:  #2 all that's # Meadow people don't say that around here.
Interviewer:  #1 Pasture's more common. #
490:  #2 Pasture. #
Interviewer:  #1 Is the pasture usually fenced in? #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm #
Interviewer:  What about uh growing cotton. Is much of that done around here?
490:  Not as much as usual it it used to be uh. There just {X} cotton-based much anymore. I don't know maybe it's just not profitable enough in this area. Mostly it's corn and soy beans.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Do you have any idea of # type of work that's done in raising cotton?
490:  Mm-hmm. I've tri- I've picked it before the uh the fifteen minute job. I quit.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Lot of hoeing and everything. {X}
Interviewer:  What would what's meant uh by chopping cotton.
490:  They have grass growing up even before they had all the herbicides and insecticides and #1 all this #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. #
490:  and everything and they still have to you know plow it but chopped cotton oh before they had everything was mechanized and cotton I think is uh delicate when it's growing
Interviewer:  #1 And it's #
490:  #2 Mm. # rather difficult to get all the grass and everything out of it.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  A machine.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  So we still have {D: holders}.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Chopping cotton. Kids around here usually used to and then when I was in high school people chopped cotton and pick cotton to make extra money you know.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 Kids in # high school. But now just very seldom do you ever see a cotton crop.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Especially in Weakley county.
Interviewer:  Mm. Well anything in particular uh you call the type of grass that grows up that you don't want? Or is just just referred to as grass?
490:  Well weeds grass we have a problem around here with Johnson #1 grass. #
Interviewer:  #2 Johnson grass. #
490:  Yeah and it just take over the world with it.
Interviewer:  What about kudzu I {D: can} say too much about it.
490:  Um there's some in town.
Interviewer:  It's just about taken over South Alabama.
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 I shoulda # brought some
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: I could've used it} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Have kudzu all over the floor. What about uh uh the place where your cotton or your corn grows. You say it grows in a big
490:  Field.
Interviewer:  Was uh uh talking about fences in a field what type of uh fencing might you have around a a field or a pasture.
490:  Usually now they use American wire. Um if they're trying to keep animals in they put barbed wire on top of it. We don't have any rail fences or anything like that around here. Most of them use that big American wire.
Interviewer:  Now what does this American wire #1 look like? #
490:  #2 It's just the # big s- you know it has the big squares.
Interviewer:  Oh I see. {X}
490:  That's American wire. I know some of the farm terms cause I I hear it all the time.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Yeah.
490:  My brother.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh talking about fences these uh fences people sometimes have around their front yards or the gardens. They're usually white they're not these big massive things like uh a regular fence.
490:  Picket.
Interviewer:  You call those picket fences. Or maybe uh the type of fence you might have around uh a chicken yard. Something like that. Maybe a little taller than
490:  Yeah that's chicken wire.
Interviewer:  Chicken wire. Well what a- have you ever seen a a fence or a wall made out of loose stone or rock around here.
490:  Uh n- not much because all every bit of that stone has to be imported because we don't ha-
490:  He was wanting to to play and then he'd get up there and he couldn't and it irritated him and it's just really more hassle than it's worth.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {D: Oh man} well talking about fencing if you're putting up a barb wire fence what do you call these. The wooden things the round things that you
490:  #1 Post. #
Interviewer:  #2 string from. # Post. And you call more than one you'd have two.
490:  Posts.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Posts?
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  That's like {X}
Interviewer:  Yeah. Wh- what would you say that your uh best dishes are made of
490:  China.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard of uh an egg made out of something like that?
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  That a farmer might put under a hen trying to get it to lay.
490:  That's Oh I can't remember what grandmother used to call 'em.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  What are they called?
Interviewer:  Ah they're called artificial eggs. Uh nest eggs.
490:  Nest egg. That's
Interviewer:  #1 That's what it is? #
490:  #2 what she used to call it. #
Interviewer:  Oh if you were going to milk the cows what would you probably take with you to catch the milk in.
490:  Pail.
Interviewer:  A pail. Is there anything else that you might call it? Well what would it
490:  #1 Bucket. #
Interviewer:  #2 be made of? # Bucket. What would it be made out of?
490:  Um. Aluminum I guess.
Interviewer:  You ever seen {D: anything} made of anything else.
490:  Yeah uh they used to be made out of something else. That real heavy but I don't know what material that was. Uh Grandmother had a wooden one, but she didn't use that th- that's an old well.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  That wooden bucket but it i- some steel alloy of some kind because it wasn't aluminum cause they didn't have aluminum I know
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 then # Cuz this was long time ago that I remember.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Well a bucket and a pail are they the same?
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  {D: Kay} What about a type of bucket that uh {D: morn} might keep in the kitchen to throw scraps in for the hogs.
490:  Slop jar.
Interviewer:  Slop.
490:  No not slop jar. Slop
Interviewer:  #1 Slop bucket. #
490:  #2 bucket I guess. # {NW} Slop jar used to be in the ba- bedroom used to #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 Okay. #
Interviewer:  #2 Right. # Well what about the the bigger one did you just throw any kind of general waste or refuse in it. That you're
490:  #1 The garbage can. #
Interviewer:  #2 just take out. #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Garbage can. # What about the the thing that you would use to oh fry eggs or ham or something like that in.
490:  Skillet.
Interviewer:  Skillet. Is that called anything else?
490:  Frying pan.
Interviewer:  Frying pan. Have you ever heard of an old fashioned one that uh might have been used in the fireplace. Might've had legs on it.
490:  Mm-hmm. An iron skillet with legs.
Interviewer:  Iron skillet with #1 legs. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # That's what I always called it. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Well what about this uh great big black metal thing that you occasionally see in people's yards used for boiling and all that.
490:  It's a kettle.
Interviewer:  It's a kettle.
490:  Grandmother called it a kettle. {C: pronunciation}
Interviewer:  Kettle. {C: pronunciation}
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh-huh. # Have you ever people call it a wash pot?
490:  Yeah. When I was a child I remember her washing them in the backyard over a fire.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Killing hogs and using those big kettles to
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  boil the meat in and everything.
Interviewer:  Yeah. I used to work at a meatpacking house during the summers when I was in Junior High, high school had monstrous uh big ol' black kettle you know they used for the melting the lard and #1 all that kind of thing. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  {D: Thank the} monster.
490:  They uh usually put uh had 'em full of water and they'd dip those big old pigs down in 'em and get the #1 hide {D: hanging} off of them you know and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh yeah. Yeah. # Yeah.
490:  I used to like hog killing when I was a child. I miss things like that. They used all this area back here like I told you yesterday was was gr- granddaddy's barnyard and pasture and everything. There's a big old log barn that was up there and they always used to kill hogs #1 right out in the #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  in the barnyard of that. And that was the most fun. #
490:  #1 {D: It'd be} cold and crisp that day #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  you know cuz they always waited 'til it got #1 cool you know {D: and} hog killing time. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. {D: Yeah} #
490:  And then we we'd eat the my cousins would get a long handled iron skillet
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 and hold over the # fire. You know building a little fire out there and put some lard in it. And they they would fry the um cracklings. Now not chitterlings Cuz I'm not eating those chitterlings.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 But the {D: cracklings} #
Interviewer:  #2 You don't like chitlings? #
490:  No way.
Interviewer:  Yeah {D: you not gonna} be a true Southerner if you don't like chitlings. {NW} I don't like the smell of them cooked but uh you know.
490:  now I don't remember ever eating them but I'm not going to. #1 Just some things I'm not going to put in my mouth and that's one of them. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # {NW} {X} chitlings. Well uh let's see oh yeah you were talking about hog killing. Oh yeah that sound pleasant enough without the place where they kill hogs in that uh the meat packing plant was really a dreary place.
490:  #1 I can imagine. #
Interviewer:  #2 So # It was uh you know just concrete slab floor
490:  #1 {D: Old washing it down oh boy.} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: They had hogs}. Yeah. # It was mass production you know. We had them strung up on pulleys and all this and it was uh oh they had the big vat you know with hot #1 water. And when #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  they got through with that they flopped them over. They call this thing called the de-hairer you know.
490:  Mm.
Interviewer:  Got all the hair off. It was just really gross. I didn't like going through that place.
490:  Oh.
Interviewer:  What do you call these uh fancy containers that you put cut flowers in that's uh
490:  a vase.
Interviewer:  And you wouldn't grow flowers in a vase you'd say you grow 'em in a
490:  Pot. A flower pot.
Interviewer:  Pot. And what about some of the utensils that you use to uh eat with
490:  #1 Okay. Knife #
Interviewer:  #2 for a meal. #
490:  fork spoon.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Um. of course fancy dinners you have all kinds of utensils, but I'm not familiar with them enough to. Grapefruit spoons and
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Oyster forks and
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 Things like that. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # If you had a a set of say for for steak you say you have a set of steak
490:  Knives.
Interviewer:  What about uh after you eat a meal uh you have to do what to the
490:  #1 Clean the dishes. #
Interviewer:  #2 dishes. #
490:  #1 Clean the wash the dishes. #
Interviewer:  #2 Clean up the dishes or wash the dishes. #
490:  Put 'em in the dishwasher.
Interviewer:  #1 Put 'em in the dishwasher. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what about uh if you don't have a dishwasher uh to get the soap off you have to
490:  Rinse.
Interviewer:  Mm. And the the cloth that you use when you're
490:  Wash rag.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
490:  #2 Washcloth. # Um dishrag.
Interviewer:  Is that wha- uh is one that you use for drying?
490:  Drying w- uh dry uh what would I call it. Um dishtowel I guess that's
Interviewer:  Dishtowel. Mm-hmm.
490:  I don't call it drying cloth or anything like that. Dishtowel I guess.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay. And what about the uh the cloth that's about that size that you would use when taking a bath.
490:  Washcloth.
Interviewer:  And the bigger one that's used.
490:  Towel.
Interviewer:  {D: Okay.} If what about this thing on the kitchen and the sink {D: of} the water comes out of.
490:  Faucet.
Interviewer:  Call it the faucet. And if it's outside
490:  J- hydrant.
Interviewer:  The hydrant outside. Well what about you seen these uh metal portable water containers you know that you might see them out on the road. The highway department they {X} give 'em some water.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  The thing that the water comes out on those
490:  Spigot.
Interviewer:  That's a spicket. {D: Yeah.} You might s- if it was very cold during the winter you might get up one morning and turn on the water in the kitchen uh in the sink, but nothing comes out. And I say well heck
490:  #1 Pipes are frozen. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  As a matter of fact they
490:  Burst.
Interviewer:  If you b- bought a a lot of flour uh it would probably come in a what?
490:  Sack?
Interviewer:  A big sack.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Or if you very large amount it might come in one of these wooden things.
490:  Barrel.
Interviewer:  In a big barrel.
490:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  What do you call the uh the metal thing that goes around the barrel?
490:  Stave.
Interviewer:  Kay.
490:  No the stave is
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 the wooden part. #
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 That's #
Interviewer:  #1 The thing that goes around to keep the staves together. #
490:  #2 I don't know. Yeah. # Um. I don't know. I guess I'd call them a ring. I don't
Interviewer:  A ring.
490:  Yeah. Bands.
Interviewer:  #1 Bands. #
490:  #2 I don't know. #
Interviewer:  Or what about these things that uh they used to be a fad you know they're called hula
490:  Hoops.
Interviewer:  There you go.
490:  #1 Barrel hoop. #
Interviewer:  #2 Well w- #
490:  #1 Of course. Alright. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # What if you had to buy a large amount of lard or molasses. What would they probably come in?
490:  In a big can.
Interviewer:  #1 In a can. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called a stand? A stand of lard.
490:  Huh-uh. #1 Don't think so. #
Interviewer:  #2 never heard that #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # If you wanted to pour some um molasses let's say into a small mouth bottle what would you probably use to keep from spilling all over the place.
490:  {NW} I'm laughing because I did that the other day {C: laughing}.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh really? #
490:  #2 I tried to # pour maple syrup into another thing without using m- well what am I trying to say. Wait a minute. Um oh Well I'll declare.
Interviewer:  {NW} Can't think of it.
490:  I can't think of what I call it.
Interviewer:  {D: It's} a big white mouth
490:  #1 Yeah it's got a #
Interviewer:  #2 thing you {D: taper} #
490:  Um. I got all different sizes in there.
Interviewer:  Whatever they are.
490:  #1 Whatever they are I've got a whole bunch of them #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  And I use 'em when I'm canning like #1 crazy. #
Interviewer:  #2 uh-huh #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
490:  What are they called. Tell me.
Interviewer:  Funnel.
490:  Funnel.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Oh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Well what about if uh you have a buggy uh with horses and all. The thing that you use to crack around the ears.
490:  Whip.
Interviewer:  {D: A new} whip. Mm-hmm. And when you go to the grocery store. The grocer probably puts yours purchases in
490:  Sack. paper sack.
Interviewer:  Paper sack. Is there any other type of uh sack that you know about maybe uh made of uh coarse rough
490:  Burlap bag.
Interviewer:  #1 Burlap bag. #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called anything else?
490:  Burlap. I'm now thinking potato sack. Cause that's what I use to drag potatoes {D: you know you're digging} potatoes Uh no I don't think so. burlap
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard of something called a croker sack?
490:  Uh-uh.
Interviewer:  Haven't heard of that.
490:  A what now.
Interviewer:  croker sack
490:  croaker
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 Uh-uh. # Never heard of it.
Interviewer:  Well what about tow sack.
490:  Yeah tow sack. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Is that the same #1 thing as a burlap. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. Burlap. #
Interviewer:  {NW} What would you call uh the amount let's say of corn that a farmer might take to the mill at one time. Any particular name for that? Maybe the amount of corn you can take at one time or the amount of wood that he could carry in his arms at one #1 time. #
490:  #2 Load. #
Interviewer:  Just load.
490:  Load of corn. Load of wood.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Have you ever heard of a {D: turn} of corn.
490:  Turn.
Interviewer:  #1 Something like that. Haven't heard of that. #
490:  #2 Huh-uh. Never. #
Interviewer:  {D: Okay.} And this thing right here you have to replace if it burns out that's the
490:  Bulb.
Interviewer:  A light bulb. Kay. When you take out your clothes to uh hang them up to dry what would you probably if you don't have a dryer what would take them out in.
490:  A hamper.
Interviewer:  A hamper or a clothes
490:  {X} Bag Clothes old hamper is what I call it.
Interviewer:  Or it might be a oh made out of plastic or
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 They're hampers. #
Interviewer:  Hampers.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What about a clothes basket?
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 Call it that? #
490:  #2 Basket. We usually call it # a hamper.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What about something like a barrel except maybe smaller that nails might bec- might come in.
490:  Keg.
Interviewer:  Keg. And if you had just bottled something some liquid. Something that you might put in the mouth of the bottle to keep it from spilling out.
490:  Cork.
Interviewer:  Cork. And what about this saying that's a musical instrument play with your mouth.
490:  #1 Harmonica. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: With a backboard} # Heard that called anything else?
490:  Jew's harp.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that the same thing? #
490:  #2 No a juice harp's a Blues #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 No. A juice harp's #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 different. # Harmonica and mouth organ.
Interviewer:  Mouth organ. {X} {D: And} this thing a tool that you use to drive nails.
490:  Hammer.
Interviewer:  {D: Wanna} ask a few questions about wagons. See what you know about wagon. That uh wooden thing that goes between the horses a long wooden thing. Do you know what that's called?
490:  Um. That's not the tongue. Is it the tongue? #1 Okay #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah #
490:  I was thinking harness and stuff. Yoke and all that alright tongue.
Interviewer:  Let's the wagon will pull you over. {D: Parts a little} You have a hub and uh spokes #1 come out of the hub. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  What would you call the uh the outer part of the wagon wheel you'd say that's the
490:  Rim.
Interviewer:  The rim of the wheel. Do you know what the traces are?
490:  #1 That's the #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: The wagon} #
490:  lines that go from the driver to horses' harness {X}
Interviewer:  Do you know what uh well what are the traces come back and attach to. It's kind of a horizontal #1 wooden block. #
490:  #2 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #1 Sort of thing. #
490:  #2 {D: I know} # I've seen it, but I don't know what they're called.
Interviewer:  Single tree.
490:  Single tree that's right.
Interviewer:  And of course if you have two horses both single trees would be attached to a a doubletree.
490:  #1 Double tree. Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 You heard of that? # Okay. Well what about uh
490:  Let me get Ben.
Interviewer:  #1 Sure. #
490:  #2 I need to # get him to something to eat.
Interviewer:  Let's see where was I oh yeah. If you saw a a man riding by on his wagon and he had a he had a little wood in it. Came back a little later {X} came back few minutes later with a thing full of {X} you say he's doing what?
490:  Working hard {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Uh I would say that he was. I don't know
Interviewer:  Or maybe some some #1 expression that {D: have} #
490:  #2 I'm not sure that I #
Interviewer:  {D: has} to do with what he's doing with the wood. He's just hauling wood.
490:  #1 Hauling. Okay. #
Interviewer:  #2 Say something like that. # Yeah. #1 What about #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  Uh If a let's say a tree had fallen across the road uh blocking your way you might have to take a rope and try to do what to get that thing off?
490:  Pull. #1 Pull it off. #
Interviewer:  #2 Pull. # Pull or you might say uh maybe drag it off.
490:  yeah drag it. Haul it off. {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} What about that word drag. Th- the past form of it {D: would be} yesterday you
490:  Dragged.
Interviewer:  And you have
490:  Have dragged {D: isn't it}
Interviewer:  What about uh I was asking you asking you about uh fields a minute ago. What do you say you do when you break up the ground in a field for planting?
490:  Plow it.
Interviewer:  Plow it. Okay is there uh a particular type of plow that you use to uh to break up the ground the first time? {C: baby noises}
490:  Yeah. There's all different kinds, but I don't know what they are. Uh breaking plow. And uh then the hayer and they- there's a cultimulcher now and there's all kinds of stuff, but I don't what to use when. But I do know that the breaking plow has very sharp things that go in there and then they break it up the first time. And then they've got different si- different kinds. Some of the blades are turned it o- at a at an angle and everything but I don't
Interviewer:  {X} Well what about the uh getting back to the wagon for just a minute the uh {D: the} kind of shaft that goes on the wagon that the wheels turn on. That's the
490:  Axle.
Interviewer:  Axle. Have you ever seen these uh wooden frames that carpenters use. The ends of 'em are kind of shaped like the letter A.
490:  {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 Horses. #
Interviewer:  Horses. Is there something uh similar to that another wood frame except it's shaped like the letter X. You might place a log right in the middle of it. {D: Saw thing}
490:  Yeah. I don't know what that's called, but I've seen that. {NS} I don't know what it's called.
Interviewer:  Do you ever heard of it called {D: the storm buck}
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 You ever heard of that? #
490:  I've heard of the term, but I didn't know that it ap- applied to that.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or when you get up in the morning the things that you use on your hair. Might use a comb or a
490:  Brush.
Interviewer:  And you say you're
490:  Brushing your hair.
Interviewer:  And s- when men used to shave with these straight razors they would sharpen the razor on this long leather thing. What was that called?
490:  Leather strap. #1 Granddaddy #
Interviewer:  #2 Leather #
490:  called it a strop.
Interviewer:  A strop.
490:  Uh-huh. {C: baby}
Interviewer:  So what about if uh you were going to load a shotgun you put a shell in the what would put in a a pistol or a rifle.
490:  #1 Bullet. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Bullet. Anything else you heard that called?
490:  Um.
Interviewer:  Well let's say if you have a tape player in your car. What do you call the you say you have a you're gonna put a tape with
Son:  {C: baby noises}
490:  Put a tape what it
Interviewer:  Say you have a those plastic things that have a the the reels of tape inside.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  That play.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What do you call those things?
490:  Uh just a tape. #1 A cassette. I call it a tape. #
Interviewer:  #2 Just a tape. Just a tape. # Trying {D: to get you to} say cartridge.
490:  Oh.
Interviewer:  You ever heard
490:  Yeah cartridge.
Interviewer:  #1 Okay. #
490:  #2 Yeah. Okay. #
Interviewer:  What about uh these things that the children play on uh wooden board. Two kids can sit on the end. You know
490:  #1 See-saw. #
Interviewer:  #2 the {D: white one} # What do you say you're doing?
490:  See-sawing.
Interviewer:  See-sawing. Well what about one that's uh maybe a a long board that would go around instead of up and down.
490:  Hmm.
Son:  {NW}
490:  I don't know. #1 Merry-go-round. #
Interviewer:  #2 Merry-go-round. #
490:  But I don't think that's really a merry-go-round.
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called a {D: flying unit}?
490:  Huh-uh.
Interviewer:  {D: Haven't heard of that} Have you ever heard of oh maybe a board anchored on both ends. It would be pretty limber so it could th- kid could just jump up an down on the
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 middle of it. #
490:  Don't know what they're called.
Interviewer:  {X}
Son:  {NW}
490:  Ben what a mess. {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  What that was good.
Interviewer:  Better go in after him.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Now what about this thing that would be suspended say from the limb of a tree by ropes you have a place you're gonna sit
490:  Hammock.
Interviewer:  Or
490:  #1 Swing. I know w- {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 This {X} # What about {D: if} this container if you were burning coal uh for heat that you would keep the coal in right next to the fireplace {D: or just a little} whatever.
490:  That's not the grate is it.
Interviewer:  #1 Uh. Yeah. #
490:  #2 The grate's what {D: there yeah} # {D: it's what the the burned in} Uh coal bucket.
Interviewer:  Coal bucket. You ever heard that called stubble? Coal stubble. Is that just the shape of a bucket or is it different.
490:  No it has a uh the back part of it is round but the front part of it is scooped out so that it pours loosely
Interviewer:  Mm. Well what about if you have a free standing stove uh you know in some old houses. The pipe that goes up from the stove up to the ceiling you call that the
490:  Stove pipe.
Interviewer:  And the part outside. What is that?
490:  Flue
Interviewer:  The flue. And this thing that you might have on a house when you're working in the yard to carry things in with handles and wheel {X}
490:  Wheelbarrow.
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called anything else?
490:  Wheelbar.
Interviewer:  #1 Wheelbar. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Um Can't think of anything else but wheelbarrow.
Interviewer:  What about Georgia buggy.
490:  No a Georgia buggy. No I've never heard of that before.
Interviewer:  What if you you wanted to uh sharpen your ax. What would you probably use to put a edge in?
490:  Um a file. But they use electric files now. file i guess.
Interviewer:  You ever heard of anything called a grass hoe.
490:  Uh-huh. {X} turn the wheels
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 and there's a huge {C: baby noises} # stone and it turns.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  #1 It's the same principle #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  now and
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  electric.
Interviewer:  Well what about a small one uh that you can hold in your hand. #1 {X} #
490:  #2 Yes. #
Interviewer:  #1 Is that the same thing? #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # {X}
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called a {D: whip rock}?
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 Rolling stone. #
490:  Stone.
Interviewer:  What about this uh vehicle that I drove up in. {D: What's that?}
490:  Car.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
490:  {X} {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  That's not right {C: baby noises}
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what if uh maybe my car started squeaking. I might take it into a a service station tell 'em {X} {C: baby noises} what to it.
490:  {X}
Interviewer:  You got all that stuff on your hands you'd say your hands were.
490:  Greasy.
Interviewer:  Or talking about you know having your car serviced you might ask the attendant to look up under the hood and maybe tell you what your {X}
490:  Oil.
Interviewer:  {D: Yeah} before you had these electric lamps they t- you had to burn uh well what would you {D: burn} {X} {C: baby noises}
490:  #1 Oil or kerosene. #
Interviewer:  #2 Oil. # Or kerosene. Have you ever heard of uh a makeshift lamp or a temporary lamp that would be made from a bottle and stick the kerosene and a wick or something like that.
490:  Molotov cocktail {C: laughing} #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # That's {D: something} yeah I know what you #1 mean. {X} explode. That you use for light. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Um I #1 I suppose #
Son:  #2 {X} #
490:  that I have heard of of that of kerosene {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard something like that called a flambeau?
490:  Uh-uh.
Interviewer:  Never heard of that.
490:  {NW} I've heard of flambeau though of uh chateaubriand.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 And all oo yummy. # I'm hungry.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {NW} So what about uh the inside part of a tire you that inflates you call it the inner
Son:  {X}
Interviewer:  Pin. Ta- you were talking about a boat {D: and then} if you uh when you put the boat in the water what do you call {X}
Son:  {NW}
490:  I
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Going down to
490:  Yeah. the boat in the water. Uh launch.
Interviewer:  Launch the boat. Well what about the type of boat that you would have to use oars with. That would be what kind of boat?
490:  Row boat.
Interviewer:  Row boat. Are most of the what do they have? Flat bottoms or curved or what?
490:  Well um flat bottom boats usually around here are used for fishing. And then they have the the canoes with point pointed
Son:  {D: mama ma mama oh mama}
Interviewer:  So you won't get in a {X} {C: baby noises}
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about if you were going to buy some material for a dress or something or like that in town and you wanted to make sure that you got the right color right material. You might take a little piece
490:  Swatch.
Interviewer:  Call it a swatch.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called anything else?
490:  it's just material. {NW} Swatch.
Interviewer:  What about sample.
490:  Sample. Yeah. But I usually call it a swatch.
Interviewer:  Well what about if you saw a dress in the store window and you thought it was really nice you might say well my goodness that sure is a
490:  Pretty dress {C: ring} Sharp. #1 Attractive. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What about what talking about pretty {C: phone ringing}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 'Scuse me. #
Interviewer:  Sure. {C: phone ringing}
490:  Ben.
Interviewer:  #1 Want #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  to ask you about the the comparative of that word pretty. You might say well that's the first dress but I think this one's even
490:  Prettier. Prettiest.
Interviewer:  And this thing that you would uh might put on when you're i- walking around the kitchen to keep your dress from getting dirty.
490:  Apron.
Interviewer:  And this thing right here is a writing
490:  Pen.
Interviewer:  Pen. And you would use a safety
490:  Pin.
Interviewer:  Okay. Well what about uh you said a dime is worth how many cents?
490:  Ten cents.
Interviewer:  And what about this metal th-
490:  Tin.
Interviewer:  What would you say that a man thr- three piece suit you'd say it's a
490:  Uh. Pants suit coat vest.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard uh pants called anything else.
490:  Trousers.
Interviewer:  Trousers.
490:  Slacks. Slacks more casual #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  trousers are sort of a
Son:  {NW}
490:  #1 antiquated #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 not antiquated I don't know that #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  but uh #1 more #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  formal term.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Trousers.
Interviewer:  Well what about these things that you know farmers sometimes wears. Have straps it'll be a
490:  #1 Overalls. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Are those usually bought or homemade or what?
490:  Uh. Buy 'em from whatever that Smith Big Smith Big Smith overalls
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # My there's a funny story about overalls. My grandmother was gonna o- order uh overalls a pair of overalls for granddaddy and he said she said what size do you wear and he said I wear uh a thirty-four and so she ordered from Sears a fifty-four and she ordered fifty-four fifty-four and they wrote her back {C: laughing} He said I wear a thirty-four thirty-four length and she said uh uh fifty-four fifty-four and Sears wrote w- this was years ago wrote them back a letter and said Mrs. Crawford we uh regret to inform you that we do not s- stock fifty-four fifty-four overalls but we would be glad to have them made specially for you if you want them. Can you imagine. {C: laughing} What fifty-four fifty-four would be like?
Interviewer:  Oh whoa.
490:  Wow.
Interviewer:  {NW} Like a tent.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Let me ask you about this uh expression. If there was something in the room let's say across the room and you wanted it you might ask me to go what
490:  Bring it to me.
Interviewer:  And that past form would be
490:  You brought #1 it to me. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  he has brought it to me
Interviewer:  What about uh if your husband were trying on a coat he might say well this coat won't fit this year but last year it
490:  #1 Fit fine. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Or if let's say it's if he needs some clothes uh to wear to church he might say oh I need to go downtown to buy a
490:  New suit.
Interviewer:  W- what would you say if uh oh I don't know your son kept uh putting different things in his pocket till he got so many things in it that he kind of
490:  Bulged.
Interviewer:  Or if you you put a shirt in water that's too hot for it it's liable to
490:  Shrink.
Interviewer:  What about the past form of that.
490:  Shrank. Shrunk.
Interviewer:  If a if a girl was getting ready to go out on a date and she spends a lot of time in front of the mirror you says she's doing what
490:  Primping.
Interviewer:  Primping. W- what what if a boy is doing the same thing
490:  Primping.
Interviewer:  {D: a guy is} primping
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 too. # {X} {C: baby noises} {NW} Have a good time.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 {D: It's} all the expressions he can get on his face. #
Interviewer:  {NW} {C: baby noises}
490:  {NW} {C: baby noises}
Interviewer:  #1 See #
490:  #2 {NW} # {D: He uh} getting that stuff all over you in your hair and everywhere. Mm-mm yummy The other day we were up at the lake and he was eating some of that zwieback toast and it got all over him and I didn't have a washrag so I just took him and put him in the lake washed him off
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  That does it.
490:  Yep
Interviewer:  What wh- what do you call uh the thing that uh women carry all their thing around in
490:  #1 Purse. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Handbag.
Interviewer:  #1 What #
490:  #2 Purse mostly. #
Interviewer:  What about the small one that you might keep change in?
490:  Uh billfold.
Interviewer:  Billfold.
490:  Mm-hmm. Change purse.
Interviewer:  Change purse. Well what about the thing that you were wear around your wrist or
490:  Bracelet.
Interviewer:  Bracelet. And around the neck
490:  Necklace.
Interviewer:  These things that men might wear to hold up their pants you know that go over the shoulders
490:  Suspenders. galluses
Interviewer:  {D: Galluses} {D: would this uh}
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 an older word for it. #
490:  It's what granddaddy'd call it.
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what about the thing that you would take with you if it's raining to keep the rain off of you
490:  An umbrella.
Interviewer:  An umbrella. You ever heard that called anything
490:  Parasol.
Interviewer:  Parasol.
490:  This is {D: son Donald}
Interviewer:  Hello.
Son:  Hello.
Interviewer:  How you doing?
Son:  Fine.
490:  Sleepy.
Interviewer:  #1 Did he just get up is he #
490:  #2 Just rolled out of bed. # You hungry?
Son:  {X}
490:  Just sit and listen for a little while then I'll fix you something after a while. But a parasol's not used for they'll just keep the sun off of you
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 and umbrellas keep the rain # off of you.
Interviewer:  Fashionable ladies.
490:  Right.
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  Keep you from having freckles like I've got. #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Well what about uh if you're making up the bed the last thing that goes on the bed that's the
490:  #1 Spread. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  What about something that might be used in the wintertime uh heavier than a spread you hear about people getting together and making these things.
490:  #1 Quilts. #
Interviewer:  #2 uh # Quilts. And the thing that you rest your head on
490:  #1 The pillow. #
Interviewer:  #2 the bed. # Something like a pillow except it's usually longer than a pillow uh might be used I don't know if it's functional or just used for looks that you put on the bed uh {C: baby noises}
490:  A roll like thing
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. {X} #
490:  #2 {X} I don't know what that's called # Um #1 uh #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  It's got a name but I don't #1 know what it's called #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  You ever heard it called a bolster.
490:  #1 Yeah #
Son:  #2 {NS?} #
490:  bolster.
Interviewer:  And what about this expression if it were a particularly long bolster you might say it didn't just go part way across the table but
490:  #1 All the way across. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {C: baby screaming} Have you ever heard of uh a temporary bed you might put down on the floor for children who are s- {D: sleeping} overnight or something like that
490:  #1 Old #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  beds had trundle beds #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW #
490:  #1 and out like a cot or some #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 thing is that what you #
Interviewer:  #2 Hmm. #
Son:  {NW}
490:  Yuck.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 Super Ben. #
Son:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  That's just great. #1 Here. #
Interviewer:  #2 mess # up your carpet?
490:  uh nah.
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called a palette.
490:  Pallet. Yeah. Make him a pallet everyday he'll lie down on the floor and put the quilt down on the bare floor and he crawls around well trying to crawl around
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  on the pallet.
Interviewer:  What would you say uh you might say you expect uh a huge crop this year because the land is very
490:  Fertile.
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Any terms you use for very rich uh low ling land that might've been {X} {C: baby crying}
490:  Bottom land.
Interviewer:  Bottom land.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh land that's not good for most anything. Some of it has water standing on it permanently. Beavers and {X} {C: baby noises}
490:  Swamp.
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Is there anything particular that you call very rich soil. Soil.
490:  Um
Son:  {NW}
490:  #1 {D: Better dollar maker} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  {NW} Um loamy? #1 {D: I didn't know that they s-} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  some good loam l- loam loamy land down there around the river. Mm. I don't know just bottom land good fertile.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Black soils.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Any particular term for poor soil.
490:  Scrub land.
Interviewer:  Scrub land. {C: baby noises} Well what about if you wanted to uh put some land to cultivation {D: and it had some water on it} you'd say you {X} {C: baby noises}
490:  Drain.
Interviewer:  Drain.
490:  Drain the water.
Interviewer:  And the thing that you dug that would take {X}{C: baby noises}
490:  #1 Drainage ditches. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Drainage ditches {C: baby noises} What do you call the, well if you have some land with some bushes and trees and
490:  #1 Shh #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  And you wanted to put that to cultivation so you need to do what to it?
490:  Clear the land.
Interviewer:  Any any particular names for land that's just been
490:  Cleared.
Interviewer:  Cleared.
490:  Um No not that I can think of I don't I don't know.
Interviewer:  You ever heard of something like that called new ground.
490:  New ground. Yeah.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh {C: baby noises} {X} {C: baby screaming} names for different uh streams of water flowing along around here
490:  #1 Creeks. #
Interviewer:  #2 just creeks #
490:  Mm-hmm. Streams but most of it's creeks.
Interviewer:  #1 What is it #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  What's the difference between a #1 stream #
490:  #2 A # stream seem like to me it'd be rocky #1 Have a #
Interviewer:  #2 rocky #
490:  hard bottom. Where
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 creeks have # got you know mud and everything in it. And there's a stream is um uh more like on on flat land with a stream running through it you know a wooded area and things like that where a creek is uh muddy banks
Interviewer:  #1 Mm. #
490:  #2 and stuff like # that for some reason. I don't know #1 why. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  I
Interviewer:  #1 Well i- #
490:  #2 {D: got} it that way #
Interviewer:  is there anything smaller than a creek to you that you'd have a name for?
490:  Smaller than a creek. Stream of water I guess.
Interviewer:  Stream of water.
490:  Yeah. Stream I guess but but nah I really don't that's when I think stream I think bubbly. You know.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  {X}
Interviewer:  {NW} What would you call a place in the land that's been uh say worn away by some water flowing along?
490:  Eroded.
Interviewer:  Is there anything that you would call #1 th- that place #
490:  #2 Uh. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
490:  #2 # Hmm.
Interviewer:  Or maybe a place you know that's been
490:  #1 {D: No} #
Interviewer:  #2 Um. #
490:  Worn away like that I
Interviewer:  Might be done by heavy rainfall or something.
490:  #1 Yeah #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  uh No just eroded land is all I can think of.
Interviewer:  What about gully.
490:  Gullies #1 Yeah. I'm #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about ravine is i-
490:  Um. Know what it is but we don't use that
Interviewer:  #1 Don't use that term. #
490:  #2 term. Mm-mm. #
Interviewer:  But you do use gully.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What would you call the uh this round thing that you would turn to open a door.
490:  #1 {D: Doorknob} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard people a {D: hill a knob}?
490:  Uh-huh. Uh we have a place up on the lake called knob hill.
Interviewer:  Is that right
490:  {NW} Two the two terms
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah yeah. #
490:  #2 {D: but yeah}. #
Interviewer:  Well what about something very much uh larger than a hill {C: baby noises} {X} {C: baby noises}
490:  #1 Mountains #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  You know what you call the uh rocky edge of a mountain that drops off very sharply?
490:  Precipice.
Interviewer:  #1 Precipice or #
490:  #2 Uh. # Cliff.
Interviewer:  {D: Good.}
490:  #1 hmm. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  And what about {D: from one} place um between the mountains where a road might {X} {C: baby noises} {C: baby noises}
490:  #1 Little place between the mountains. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  No. You ever heard people say a notch {C: baby noises} {C: baby noises}
490:  Notch. like an opening in the mountains that you {D: navigate}
Interviewer:  What do you call a
490:  Gap. That's what they
Interviewer:  #1 Gap. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about the place where boats {X} and unload their cargo {D: and unload it on the shore}?
490:  Dock.
Interviewer:  A dock. Ever heard that called anything else.
490:  #1 Um. #
Son:  #2 {NW} # ma ma {NW}
490:  hmm.
Son:  {NW}
490:  #1 No. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  probably probably have but I ca-
Interviewer:  #1 can't think of #
Interviewer:  #2 What about wharf. #
490:  #1 Wharf. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Sure. #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 I just think it's for boats I think #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  ships.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Well what about uh the place in the mountains where water falls a long distance.
490:  #1 Waterfall. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Wha- what are some of the {D: special surfaces} that roads are made out of around here.
490:  Asphalt. #1 Concrete #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  and gravel #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  You're making a lot of racket.
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} {X}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What would you call a a road maybe out in the country that goes off the main road. {X} {C: baby noises}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Country road.
490:  Country road. #1 County road. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  County road.
490:  Apart from state roads. County road
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called a byway?
490:  Hmm. Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  #1 Never heard that? #
490:  #2 {D: I said} byway. #
Interviewer:  Well what about uh a road that goes up a plain road up to a man's house?
490:  Driveway.
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And the place where uh {X} side of the street {C: baby noises}
490:  Sidewalk.
Interviewer:  You ever seen a {D: strip} of grass in the sidewalk in the street.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Is that called anything?
490:  Yeah a hard place to mow.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Um I don't know what it's called.
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called a tree lawn?
490:  Tree lawn?
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  Huh-uh.
Interviewer:  Haven't heard of that one. That's a that's {D: another difference uh} south Alabama
490:  #1 I don't think we call it anything. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Is that right.
490:  #1 I always call it grass. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: That's right. I know.} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about let's say if uh you walk down in the country and you saw some crows getting after some farmer's corn.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  You might reach up and pick up a
490:  Clod.
Interviewer:  And.
490:  Throw it.
Interviewer:  {D: Did you} ever {D: would you} say chuck it.
490:  #1 Chuck it. Yeah. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  Chucking is just you know #1 short distance. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Throwing is really {NW} #1 {D: want it to go} {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 Oh. # Do you drink coffee?
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What do you have? What do you like in your coffee?
490:  Uh cream #1 and #
Interviewer:  #2 Cream. #
490:  sugar.
Interviewer:  Do you {X} let's say you're ordering coffee and you wanted milk in your coffee you'd order it
490:  Cream.
Interviewer:  Cream.
490:  But I would order it uh not black.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 What would I order it # Pretty sure but I don't use cream it's milk all the
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 time #
Interviewer:  #1 Talking about #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  black coffee if somebody wanted their coffee {X} {C: baby crying} if they ordered it would they say just {D: leave it} black?
490:  Mm. If they ordered it in a restaurant I imagine that it would #1 come black anyway #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 What they'd ordered. Just coffee I guess. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard black coffee called anything else you know just with nothing in it?
490:  Straight.
Interviewer:  Straight.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Ever heard it called barefooted?
490:  Barefooted.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  No. {NW} Barefooted #1 coffee. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # Yeah I have heard it called that. {NW} I was {X}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What about uh if somebody's {D: not calling the police} on you you say you say he's coming right
490:  to you.
Interviewer:  Or.
490:  #1 Toward. #
Son:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
Interviewer:  Let's say if you have to meet somebody that you weren't looking for you might say well I just sort of ran
490:  Into or chanced upon.
Interviewer:  What about uh if a child is given the same name as his father you say that the child is named
490:  After his father.
Interviewer:  {C: baby noises} {NW} This animal that barks.
490:  Dog.
Interviewer:  Dog. Yeah. Some dogs are bad about
490:  Barking all night.
Interviewer:  #1 Bark. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Yeah. Biting.
Interviewer:  Biting. And the past tense of bite is {C: baby screams}
490:  #1 Bitten. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {D: and bitten} {C: baby noises}
Son:  {NW}
490:  Shh
Interviewer:  What do you call a dog that's not a pure breed.
490:  Halfbreed. Mongrel. Um tramp. {NW} Nuisance. {NW}
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  What do you want son? {D: Wayne}
Son:  It didn't sound like it.
490:  Well it is.
Interviewer:  What about a small dog yapping dog that likes to make a lot of racket. {X} {C: baby crying}
490:  #1 Mm #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  call them chihuahuas as far as I'm concerned. Can't #1 stand that dog. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Were} # Ever heard of people call 'em {D: little feistos}
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 dogs #
490:  Feist.
Interviewer:  {D: Something like that}
490:  Mm-hmm. #1 a boxer's a breed isn't it? #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {D: Yes it is}
Interviewer:  Some people use that
490:  #1 Feisty. I u- feisty person #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  is somebody like that #1 too. #
Interviewer:  #2 yeah #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # I tell you what we're going to eleven if that's alright?
490:  #1 Okay. #
Interviewer:  #2 And then I'll # leave you alone.
490:  #1 Okay. Alright. Okay. #
Interviewer:  #2 I know you've got things to do. # What would you call to another dog to make it attack another dog.
490:  Sic 'em.
Interviewer:  Sick 'em.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And if you wanted it to stop what would you say?
490:  Uh uh heel.
Interviewer:  #1 Heel. #
490:  #2 Sit. # If it were trained.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Okay. What about uh Talking about in herding cows. What do you call the male?
490:  {D: Three hole} what?
Interviewer:  The male.
490:  Oh. In a herd of cows bull.
Interviewer:  Bull. Well what about uh oh sometimes farmers used to plow with these animals.
490:  #1 Oxen. #
Interviewer:  #2 uh # Oxen. Or anything else they might
490:  #1 Mules. #
Interviewer:  #2 plow # What would you call two of 'em together. {X} {C: baby noises}
490:  #1 {D: Uh} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Strong two mules} #
490:  #1 Um pair of mules or team of mules. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Ever heard of {D: like a} yoke of oxen?
490:  Oh yoke of oxen. mm-hmm
Interviewer:  W- and talking about cattle uh wha- wh- {X} {C: baby and crashing} {X} {C: baby screaming}
490:  #1 Bull and #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  heifer. Heifer if it's never had a calf and cow if it has.
Interviewer:  If you have a cow named Daisy and she was expecting a calf you'd say Daisy's going to
490:  calf
Interviewer:  Going to calf. What about then let's say uh herd of horses what do you call a male?
490:  Stallion.
Interviewer:  #1 Stay. You ever heard it #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  called anything else?
490:  Stud.
Interviewer:  Stud.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  If {D: the man was left over} for the male horse that picks company will you go ahead and say stud or {D: would you}
490:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 Say something else. #
490:  #1 You would say stallion #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  What about a female horse.
490:  Mare. {C: crashing}
Interviewer:  Mare {C: crashing} And what do you call yourself doing if you get on a horse and go around just
490:  Ride #1 to gallop. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Yeah. The past of that word ride you, so yesterday
490:  #1 Rode. Ridden. #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah and I have #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # And if you have trouble staying on a horse you say if you fell
490:  Off.
Interviewer:  And if uh a little boy goes to bed at night and wakes up on the floor he says well my goodness during the night I must've
490:  #1 Fallen off the bed. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  And these things that go on the horses feet to protect 'em. You call those
490:  Shoes.
Interviewer:  {NW} Wh- what are the parts of the horses foot that are that you put on
490:  #1 Hooves. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  The singular would just be
490:  #1 Hoof. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Do you ever {X} {D: Just a minute} {NW} {X} {D: ever} play games with those things?
490:  #1 Horse shoes. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  #1 Kids up the street were playing it yesterday afternoon. #
Son:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Well what about. I don't guess you have, there are any sheep raised around here are #1 there? #
490:  #2 Not # #1 many. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {X} Well, do you happen to know what you call a male sheep?
490:  Male sheep is #1 um #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  {NW} #1 Oh no. You use the female {X} uh #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Well of all things.
Interviewer:  {D: Big things that} {X} call them veterans.
490:  Ram.
Interviewer:  {D: Okay.}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What about {NW} The bushy gray part {D: on them}
490:  #1 The wool likely. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  {D: Let's} talk about a lot of {X} {D: called when you own a farm}
490:  #1 Uh. #
Son:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
Interviewer:  {X} when it's first born.
490:  #1 Piglet. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Is there anything in between there going from a pig and then something and then a full grown hog?
490:  Boars. Sows. Piglets. shoat
Interviewer:  Shoat. What do you call what do you call a male hog that's been altered?
490:  Um. I've forgotten. Gelding is a horse. Steer is a no steer's not #1 I don't remember what a #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  #1 Back again. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {D: Barn}
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Talked about altering. You say you did what to it?
490:  #1 Castrated #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called anything else?
490:  Uh. #1 #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Cut. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Cut.
490:  Ben #1 no #
Interviewer:  #2 got # These stiff hairs on a hog's back they're called a
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about these teeth that some hogs have?
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  You ever hear them called tusks?
490:  Tusks. Yeah. {C: pronunciation} {NW}
Interviewer:  Any anything else for a hog that's grown up wild?
490:  Hmm. Wild pig.
Interviewer:  Just wild pig.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what about this thing that you put feed in for your hog.
490:  Trough.
Interviewer:  More than one would be. Troughs.
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} # This has ten.
Interviewer:  How how would you describe the gentle noises made by a calf or a cow when it's uh.
490:  Moo.
Interviewer:  A moo. Ever heard that called a low?
490:  #1 Mm-mm. Lowing of cows #
Son:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  What about the noises made by a horse?
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Neigh. Anything else?
490:  Whinny.
Interviewer:  Whinny.
Interviewer:  You ever heard people say knickers?
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Oh what about if you have a lot of animals like chickens and geese and ducks and things like that. A general term would be what? You have a lot of
490:  Animals? Uh
Interviewer:  Well specifically feathered animals.
490:  Oh fowl.
Interviewer:  Fowl. What would you call a hen that's on a nest trying to hatch out something?
490:  Nesting hen.
Interviewer:  Nesting hen. {X}
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  laying hen uh-huh. Oh setting hen that's {X}
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  They're the meanest #1 kind. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Well what about the place where you keep your chickens. You call that a
490:  #1 Chicken yard. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Chick yard.
490:  #1 Chicken house. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # What about chicken coop.
490:  Chicken coop.
Interviewer:  {X} fried chicken the piece that your kids like to get so they can pull it apart.
490:  #1 pully-bone #
Interviewer:  #2 pully-bone # uh what's the idea behind that uh what's supposed to
490:  The longest bone gets to make a wish and the wish is supposed to #1 come true. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {D: Make a wish} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 and the one who gets the gets the longest then they get their wish is supposed to come true. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  #1 Pulling bone and wish bone. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  #1 Those terms. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  {D: Is that a} #1 {X} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard any uh {X} used to describe these {X} {D: or livestock that weren't edible}?
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  No or {X}
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard people talking about the {D: haslet}
490:  #1 Uh-uh. #
Interviewer:  #2 or something like that? # Never heard of that one okay. Oh if you're on a farm and a cow gets mooing and uh your horse is neighing and all that might say well {X}
490:  Milking time.
Interviewer:  Milking time. {X}
490:  #1 Feeding time. #
Son:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
Interviewer:  This has always been {X} have you ever heard what a farmer calls to his cows saying to get up and come in from the pasture.
490:  #1 Uh. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} {C: baby crying} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Ben I'm fixing to call cows here #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # #1 Uh. Daddy stands up and he goes #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 like that. {D: Get out} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  #1 And they used to come to him #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
Interviewer:  What is that called the horses {X}
490:  #1 Uh let's #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  see yeah my my uncle r- uh uh raised horses and he'd whistle. He'd whistle #1 for them and they would come. #
Son:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
490:  #1 {NW} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Like that.
Interviewer:  {X} Have you ever heard him say anything to 'em to turn left or right?
490:  #1 U- I uh #
Son:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
490:  #1 Uh #
Son:  #2 {NW #
490:  gee and haw.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Okay. I don't know which is which
Interviewer:  Oh.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Well that's good to know. # What about if you were oh {X} #1 {X} #
490:  #2 Shh. #
Interviewer:  Or something like that. What would you say to 'em to get 'em started from a
490:  #1 Get up and walk. #
Interviewer:  #2 sitting position. Get up. #
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  {X} do or say to 'em go faster.
490:  Get up get up.
Interviewer:  Get up.
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You ever heard any uh calls to uh calls to pigs when you're feeding 'em?
490:  {NW} Sooie
Interviewer:  What about to chickens when you're feeding 'em?
490:  Uh. {NW} And cluck #1 cluck cluck. And #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  uh
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 here chick chick chick. Chick. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
490:  #2 #
Interviewer:  {X} calls to sheep?
490:  Uh.
Interviewer:  {D: Got lots of} sheep. Okay. And if you need to get your horses ready to go somewhere you say you have to do what?
490:  curry and comb and
Interviewer:  {D: Alright} when you put all that stuff on you #1 say you. Harness 'em up. #
490:  #2 Harness 'em up. # Saddle up.
Son:  {NW} Floor yet.
Interviewer:  Is that right. He's lazy in the summertime.
490:  #1 I've never seen #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah he got #
490:  an eight year old sleep like he does in the mornings. Course he wants to rock out all night {NW} he would stay up till two oh clock in the morning if you let him.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
490:  he's something else.
Interviewer:  A night owl.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Okay let's see we were talking about horses yesterday when we stopped. Uh what do you call these uh if you were plowing with animals uh the things that you hold in your hand to guide 'em.
490:  Reins.
Interviewer:  Is alright. I guess that would be the same thing if you were just riding
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 a separate horse. #
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard those called plow lines.
490:  Uh-huh. The lines. {D: Per} Seen pictures of women holding the lines in their {D: teeth} #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Gotta romanticize
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 I imagine. # And those things that you put your feet in when you're riding a horse.
490:  Stirrups.
Interviewer:  {NW} When uh if you have two horses hitched to a wagon have you ever heard the horse on the left called anything special?
490:  Mm. don't think so. Horse on the left.
Interviewer:  #1 Horse on the left okay. #
490:  #2 {NW} # No.
Interviewer:  What about if uh if something's not right near at hand you say it's just a little
490:  Farther.
Interviewer:  Okay. Get some a few more expressions I wanna ask you about. Uh if you've been traveling a long time and you've not yet finished you might say that you still have before dark. Still have
490:  Little way to go.
Interviewer:  Little way to go okay. And if something is very common you might say well uh that's pretty common thing you can find that just about
490:  Anywhere.
Interviewer:  And if a person slip down and he fell that way you'd say he fell
490:  Backward.
Interviewer:  #1 how {D: about that way} #
490:  #2 Forward. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
490:  #2 #
Interviewer:  If you went fishing and didn't have any luck at all uh and somebody asked you well did you catch any fish? You'd probably say what?
490:  hmm it was a dry run.
Interviewer:  Dry run.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You ever hear people round here say nary {D: nigh gainst nary one.}
490:  Uh-huh. Older people all the time.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh let's say somebody accidentally steps on your rake in the front yard and breaks it. You might say you might say oh well that's okay I didn't like it
490:  anyway.
Interviewer:  Oh what about uh if a child's crying and you ask him why he might say well my friend was eating some candy and he didn't give me
490:  any.
Interviewer:  Okay get back to plowing. What do you call these uh trenches that are cut out by a plow?
490:  A row.
Interviewer:  A row.
490:  A ditch. Or well let's see now wait a minute um Furrow.
Interviewer:  Furrow
490:  That's what I that's the furrow and that's the row okay.
Interviewer:  {NW} Let's see. Now what after after wheat has been cut when it's tied up what do you say it's tied up into or or
490:  #1 A bale. #
Interviewer:  #2 what that process? #
490:  A bale.
Interviewer:  Bale. Mm-hmm. Is there anything else that
490:  #1 Um #
Interviewer:  #2 has to do with # Oh you know bundling wheat
490:  #1 Stack. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Stacking it.
490:  Stack of wheat. Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Are you familiar with the term shock.
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 Shock of wheat. # And what is that?
490:  That's um long time ago I don't think they use that process much anymore.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But um with combines and everything. But the shock of wheat is when it's tied standing up in the fields. But that's um that's I don't know whether they still use that. They don't use it around here anymore anyway.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  It's um they use a combine and then they
Interviewer:  What about what about how much wheat would you say uh is a pretty good yield per acre?
490:  Oh golly. I don't know anything about that. I don't have any idea. I know do know I heard on television that wheat's gone down about two dollars a bushel and everybody's lamenting that
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Is that right?} #
490:  #2 {D; these days} but I don't have any idea # what's a good yield.
Interviewer:  Okay. Oh. What do you say uh you you do to oats to separate the grain from the rest of it?
490:  Thresh.
Interviewer:  {NW} A few {D: of the} expressions haven't been with pronouns. If uh uh we have to do something. Some sort of job together if you just use pronouns to refer to us you'd say that you and
490:  I.
Interviewer:  Okay. And in other words not one of us has to do this but
490:  We do.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Or one of us or
490:  the other.
Interviewer:  Okay. Or if you and another man are coming to see me again using pronouns you could just say that and
490:  He and I.
Interviewer:  Or let's say if uh you go knocking on somebody's door and they call out hello who's that again just using {D: regular} pronoun you would respond it's just
490:  I.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that what you would {D: actually} say? #
490:  #2 You're supposed to say # It's just I. I know that's proper but I say it's me.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 That's natural for me too #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 I can't bring myself to say it's I. # Uh what about uh if uh if a if a man is knocking at the door you know who it is. You don't use his name just a pronoun you'd say oh that's just
490:  He.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that what you'd actually say? #
490:  #2 But I'd say that's him #
Interviewer:  say. #1 Okay me too. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # {NW}
Interviewer:  What about if it's a woman you'd say it's
490:  it's her.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And if it's two people or more you'd say aw that's just
490:  Them.
Interviewer:  Okay. Let's say comparing how tall you are you might say well he's not as tall as
490:  I.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Or the other way around you might say I'm not as tall as
490:  uh he. I do do that #1 properly. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Whatever properly means.
490:  Yeah {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  Uh comparing how well you can do something you might say well he can do it better than
490:  I can.
Interviewer:  And if a let's say a man had been running for oh three miles or so and he couldn't three miles was as much as he could do. You would say that three miles is the
490:  Limit.
Interviewer:  Talking about possessives in pronouns if uh something belongs to me I say that's
490:  Mine.
Interviewer:  If it belongs to you I would say that's
490:  Yours.
Interviewer:  And if it belongs to him I'd say that's
490:  His.
Interviewer:  And to her.
490:  Hers.
Interviewer:  And to them.
490:  Theirs.
Interviewer:  And what about if uh several people own something together collectively uh and you wanted to know if they owned this particular thing. What would you ask them you might say well is that
490:  Yours.
Interviewer:  #1 Is that yours. #
490:  #2 Mm. #
Interviewer:  #1 Is that #
490:  #2 Y'all's. #
Interviewer:  #1 Y'all's. Uh-huh. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard that uh in another form maybe is that uh is that y'all's's?
490:  Y'all's's
Interviewer:  You ever heard that?
490:  Yeah. I've heard it but I n- not much that's usually it's just is that y'all's.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Okay. What about if uh I had been to a party and you didn't get to go uh and you wanted to know about everybody that was there you would ask me
490:  Who all was there.
Interviewer:  And if I had uh gone to church and you didn't get to go one Sunday and you wanted to know what the preacher had to say everything he said you'd ask what?
490:  What all'd he say.
Interviewer:  Let's say if uh if nobody else will look after them you might say they've got to look after
490:  Themselves.
Interviewer:  Or if nobody else will do it for him he's gotta do it
490:  Himself.
Interviewer:  Tell me about some different uh types of bread that you know about.
490:  Uh well loaf bread that comes when you buy it in a loaf from the store. {D: Tom} my husband calls it white bread.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Um I've always said loaf bread and then um there's hard rolls and um brown syrup rolls and um bread. Bread. Rye bread. Wheat bread. Pumpernickel. Not much around here though I don't like it much. Black bread. Uh I made uh Sally bread. Cornbread. We eat cornbread a lot. Muffins. Cornbread muffins and cornbread in the skillet. And um yeast rolls I make them every once in a while and have luck sometimes and not luck other times. Um let's see. Um What other kind of bread do I make.
Interviewer:  What about these things you might have for breakfast?
490:  Uh
Interviewer:  Cut up and butter 'em you know.
490:  Cut 'em and butter 'em. English muffins?
Interviewer:  #1 Muffins are uh #
490:  #2 I have those #
Interviewer:  #1 Uh sometimes you can #
490:  #2 Cinnamon rolls sometimes. #
Interviewer:  buy these things uh with the dough already prepared you know.
490:  #1 Oh. #
Interviewer:  #2 The tubes. #
490:  Yeah. That's too expensive I don't waste my money that way {C: laughing} With the little uh Pillsbury man that comes out and you punch him in the stomach yeah. They're all the gimmicks that are on television my son's always wanting me to buy it but I don't I don't invest in those much. Cinnamon rolls or the things that come in a in the can cause they're rather expensive.
Interviewer:  You mentioned cornbread. Uh can you prepare that uh differently. Make different types of
490:  Um. I have put like hot pepper in it
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 you know # and corn for Mexican corn bread. But we don't care for that much and uh sometimes I put a little bit more sugar in it than I do like if I'm having something that I for instance if if we're having a a light supper and I just have vegetables and maybe fry some bacon or something I'm then I'll put a little bit more sugar in the cornbread because we use the cornbread sort of as a part of the you know main part of the meal.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But if I have a large s- supper then I don't you know just very little sugar. It's just according to how I feel about it you know. But um I always use um buttermilk and eggs in my cornbread because I like the rich taste. I my mother-in-law takes meal and flour I mean meal and water and makes cornbread and that tastes like stone to me.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  It's really bad. But that's what she always she likes it that way. She was you know that's the way she was raised and um but I like it with an egg and buttermilk and a little sugar and meal.
Interviewer:  Well what about these things uh they're fairly small kind of round uh have onion in 'em.
490:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  People eat 'em with fish
490:  #1 Hushpuppies. #
Interviewer:  #2 Hushpuppies. #
490:  I love hushpuppies. When they're done right.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 They can # be sorry when they're not
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Oh whee. And I can just eat hushpuppies by themselves you can tell by look- {C: slapping} {NW}
Interviewer:  Oh really.
490:  Oh I love hushpuppies.
Interviewer:  What about uh um have you ever heard of any type of cornbread that uh perhaps used to be made uh in front of the fireplace or in the ashes or something like that? Cooked that way.
490:  In the ashes. I know what you're talking about I've read that about th- {D: knows} but I don't know what they called it.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard of ash cake?
490:  No.
Interviewer:  Never heard of ash cake.
490:  Johnny cake.
Interviewer:  Johnny cake. What's that?
490:  I don't know.
Interviewer:  {D: That one}
490:  #1 I've got a book named #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  Johnny cake hole.
Interviewer:  Oh.
490:  I never read the book {D: though} in the library
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Well what about uh now what you're talking about is cornbread is this big round thing
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 that you make and #
490:  Well I put it in different molds. I sometimes i- I always use iron skillet when I make cornbread though. My grandmother when I married t- took three or four iron skillets and broke them in for me #1 cause you know you can't #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  use them when they're new. I mean you can but it {D: the your} food sticks. And I have a small one that I pour and we like cornbread thin and crisp. We don't like it
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
490:  #2 real {D: ti- hall} {C: correcting self} # tall and doughy like. And I like it thin and crisp and then sometimes I also have a uh corn pone
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  mold. You know the oblongs like the pones have and then I have a muffin pan, so it's just according to whether how I feel or which one I reach when I {D: go out} which one I can touch when I get in the cabinet and pull it out.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Have you ever heard of a corn dodger?
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What is that?
490:  Uh I don't know that's a western you know isn't that more of a western term thing #1 And they uh #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: That's true} #
490:  I think th- don't they they have a special mold for that. Like a dodger.
Interviewer:  I'm not a cornbread connoisseur so I
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 I don't #
Interviewer:  #2 I{NW} #
490:  I don't know. Dodgers. I'm no- do you know where hushpuppies got its name?
Interviewer:  Hmm-mm.
490:  I read one time that um in the Southern part of the United States that they would have um go out on hunting parties you know like possum hunts and things like that. And at night then the men would like if they were fishing or night fishing or whatever then they would eat you know what they have like if they have possum then they'd eat the possum you know sit around early morning hours and everything and they build up a fire and they always took their dogs with them you know possum hunting. And they would take cornbread and water you know and mix it together. And fried any of the fish grease or the possum grease or whatever it was that they'd eaten {NW} And the dogs would sit there and bay you know and w- and want some of the cornbread and they'd throw 'em to 'em and they'd say hush puppy.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 And throw it to 'em. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Now that's supposed to be # where the hushpuppy came from. Just meal and water fried in grease you know. And they'd give it to the dogs to make 'em hush. And I read that to be true. In P- in the Pat Gunn's tales of Tennessee. You know of Pat Gunn?
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {D: You know} well anyway # he's supposed to be Poet Laureate of Tennessee and that's one of his tales. Now I don't know whether that's true or not.
Interviewer:  Well it sounds uh
490:  #1 It sounds uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 reasonable {D: to me}. #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Talking about bread some people say there's just two types of bread. Uh the kind you make at home you call homemade bread and then the type that you buy at the #1 store called #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Store bought.
Interviewer:  Store bought bread.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 What about #
490:  #2 Not store bought # Store bought {C: pronunciation}
Interviewer:  Store bought {C: pronunciation}.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Say again} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 #
490:  #2 #
Interviewer:  The folks in {D: Calguard} gotta go.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What about uh these things are round uh have a hole in the middle.
490:  #1 Doughnuts. #
Interviewer:  #2 Fried. # You ever heard those called anything else?
490:  Mm. Don't think so.
Interviewer:  Can you take just a a lump of that doughnut batter and cook it like that with no mold?
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What is that?
490:  Doughnut with no hole.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 I don't know I never # A lot of my l- a lot of mine turn out that way.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Without the hole.
Interviewer:  This is uh something that Donald said he wanted yesterday for breakfast.
490:  Pancakes.
Interviewer:  You ever heard those called anything else?
490:  Uh-huh. Flapjacks. but we call 'em pancakes.
Interviewer:  What about hot cake?
490:  Hot cakes. Yeah. In restaurants I think you know they on the menu mostly they say hot cakes on the menu.
Interviewer:  About how much uh flour would you say comes in a sack about that size?
490:  Five. No ten. That's a ten pound bag.
Interviewer:  {D: And the} what about uh the two parts of a of an egg. There's the
490:  White and the yolk.
Interviewer:  And the yolk is what color?
490:  Yellow.
Interviewer:  Could you tell me about a few ways of uh cooking eggs preparing eggs.
490:  Alright. Uh scrambled eggs sunny side up. Um okay then the fried. And um poached. Um. Another way. Boiled. hmm. Scrambled poached fried, sunny side up. Mm. I don't know is that all I can think of I think.
Interviewer:  That covers it.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call this piece of meat that you might uh cook along with your greens?
490:  hog's jaw
Interviewer:  #1 Does that have #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  much lean on it?
490:  No. It's mostly fat. Uh. I suppo- {C: faint, cuts off}
Interviewer:  {D: Can't matters do you have anything}
490:  Uh-uh.
Interviewer:  #1 Or a little shrimp boat downtown. #
490:  #2 Uh-uh. # We've been {NW} it's been a long time since I've been to Panama City. Um. To eat.
Interviewer:  {D: Okay}
490:  Now wait a minute let's see. Is is that Panama City that's on the other side of Santa Rosa Island? That's not Panama City
Interviewer:  #1 It's in it's in the panhandle #
490:  #2 is it what's that? #
Interviewer:  #1 in the western part. #
490:  #2 Yeah oh okay that's # bound to be Panama C- is there a place down there s- sorta like a Spanish Quarter. They've building up {D: and it's old} down on the Wharf. Is that is Panama City where the that's Pensacola I'm #1 thinking about. Not Panama City okay. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Pensacola has a a new area down there that they have um built up {X} like an old warehouses and everything and it's
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 it's a # fantastic place. They have a real nice restaurant that has an open air courtyard and then there's an alley that runs between 'em and then there's bars and disco #1 places and everything. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  It's a really a nice place.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} long time #
490:  #2 It's not the # not called Spanish quarter I've forgotten what it's called but it's something like that I mean it {D: makes you} got a lot of wrought iron and things like that but from the outside
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  it look really looks raunchy.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 But on the inside it is really fantastic. # Really nice.
Interviewer:  Yeah. uh let's see. Oh if you wanted to buy uh a lot of bacon uh a whole piece of it you'd call that a
490:  Side.
Interviewer:  Now is uh smoked meat is not necessarily the same thing as bacon is it?
490:  Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  You can have just about
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 any type of meat smoked. #
490:  Uh-huh. We like uh our hams smoked and uh that's country ham
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 you know one of those smoked # salt it down and everything. and we're fiends on that
Interviewer:  #1 Hmm. #
490:  #2 but it's gotten so # so expensive it's really a treat.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  Um I have a s- funny story about country ham
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  These friends of my father's live in California and uh he is originally from someplace around in Tennessee but his wife is uh from the north and yet they're living in California now. Well daddy and mother sends 'em a country ham about five years ago for Christmas. Which they had done something special for mother and daddy and they were retaliating you know by
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 sending 'em the country ham. # And it had mold on it and they threw it away because it was molded.
Interviewer:  Oh my goodness.
490:  And it was about you know about forty dollars worth of ham
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} # And they threw it away. {C: laughing} They didn't know any different. And uh
Interviewer:  It's ham {X}
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  And then so then the a little while after that mother and daddy sent them some packages of country ham and she boiled it was sliced and she boiled it and then fried it. She didn't know how to cook it {C: laughing} {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {D: keep your ham safe.} #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 That's right {C: laughing} # But anyway daddy and mother explained it to me that you don't throw away country ham if it's got mold on it. Just scrape off the mold and go on cause that's what makes it good.
Interviewer:  {D: Could've known that from} experience with cheese. #1 Maybe they threw that out too #
490:  #2 Yeah uh I guess so #
Interviewer:  What do you call this highly seasoned meat uh some people have for breakfast. Comes in patties and links.
490:  Sausage.
Interviewer:  What do you call a man who sells meat exclusively.
490:  Butcher.
Interviewer:  And if meat's been kept too long you say it's done what?
490:  Spoiled.
Interviewer:  And what about this meat that you can uh that people make from the meat from a hog's head?
490:  Souse. {NW}
Interviewer:  Don't like that stuff?
490:  No.
Interviewer:  Ever heard it called anything else?
490:  Souse. Souse meat.
Interviewer:  Ever heard head cheese?
490:  Head cheese.
Interviewer:  Head cheese.
490:  Oh that's worse than souse. {NW}
Interviewer:  {D: You heard of it?}
490:  No I've never heard of it.
Interviewer:  Delightful name.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What about have you ever heard about making anything from um grinding up and cooking the hog liver?
490:  Mm-mm. I don't think so. What's that called?
Interviewer:  Well some people call it liverwurst.
490:  Oh. Thought that was cheese.
Interviewer:  This is a delightful dish right here I'm gonna ask you about. Have you ever heard of people making anything out of hog's blood?
490:  No.
Interviewer:  Blood pudding.
490:  Oh no. {NW} That's awful.
Interviewer:  It happens. Uh this one have you ever heard of taking s- the juice from the the souse mixing it up with some hog meat and uh cornmeal and cooking it that way?
490:  Huh-uh.
Interviewer:  What about if you had uh kept your butter too long and uh it didn't taste good.
490:  Rancid.
Interviewer:  You'd said rancid.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard people describe the taste as funky.
490:  Mm-hmm. {NW} Everything's funky around here. {NW} That's my eight year old's favorite word right now.
Interviewer:  #1 Wh- what does he think about it? #
490:  #2 Funky. # Oh that he doesn't like it. That it's bad. It tastes bad. Or it's it's something that doesn't appeal to him or something like that.
Interviewer:  What do you call this thick sour milk that women sometimes keep on hand in the kitchen
490:  Buttermilk.
Interviewer:  Buttermilk.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Is there anything else something like that might be called?
490:  Clabbered
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  It's clabbered. Clabbered and buttermilk are two different things though.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Clabbered is not good.
Interviewer:  #1 Well c- can you make anything #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  from it?
490:  From clabbered milk? There are some recipes that call for it but I've never
Interviewer:  #1 Can you make cottage #
490:  #2 I don't know. #
Interviewer:  #1 cheese out of it? #
490:  #2 Yeah you can # but it's easier to go to the store. {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW} Well what about after a farmer has milked his cows. What do you say he does to it to get the impurities out?
490:  Homogenize?
Interviewer:  #1 Or? #
490:  #2 Uh. #
Interviewer:  #1 Something separate in that #
490:  #2 Not homogenizes #
Interviewer:  if he just pours it through one of these.
490:  Strains it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. This is a dessert that's uh I guess similar to a pie except it's prepared in a deep dish.
490:  Cobbler.
Interviewer:  Cobbler.
Interviewer:  If someone has a good appetite you might say that well he sure does like to put away his
490:  food.
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called anything else? Maybe an old fashioned term.
490:  {X}
Interviewer:  #1 {D: middles} #
490:  #2 {NW} # vittles Yeah.
Interviewer:  Heard that.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And what about this sweet liquid that you might pour over a gingerbread or something like that
490:  Syrup.
Interviewer:  Syrup or Or uh. If you were cooking pork or something like that you're barbecuing you make some barbecue
490:  Sauce.
Interviewer:  Sauce. What about food that you eat between meals.
490:  #1 Snacks. #
Interviewer:  #2 What do you call. Snack. #
490:  Garbage.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # That's what I tell Don he's not gonna eat anymore of that garbage. that's just bad for you.
Interviewer:  Now what about the the verb eat. The past is
490:  Ate. Eaten.
Interviewer:  And let's see if it's a a hot day instead of drinking uh some carbonated drink or something like that you might just go to the sink and get yourself a
490:  Drink of water.
Interviewer:  And you'd pour that in
490:  Glass
Interviewer:  And the verb drink the past is
490:  Drank. Drunk.
Interviewer:  If you're having some company for dinner and they're all standing around the table you might tell them well just go ahead and
490:  have a seat.
Interviewer:  And that verb sit in the past is
490:  Sat.
Interviewer:  #1 And the #
490:  #2 Sat. #
Interviewer:  And if you don't want someone to wait let's say until something's passed to them you might say well just go ahead and
490:  Help yourself.
Interviewer:  And that word help the past is
490:  Helped. Helped.
Interviewer:  And if you decide not to eat something when it's offered you you say well
490:  No thank you.
Interviewer:  What do you say what do you uh call food that's been cooked and served the second time.
490:  Warmed over.
Interviewer:  You say you're having
490:  Warmed o- warm o- let's see Warm overs. No not warm overs. Having. {NW} I can't think of what I say. Let's see uh we're having warmed overs Warmed overs. I guess I do that sounded strange when I said it but
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 I guess that's what I say # Warmed over.
Interviewer:  Do you ever say leftovers.
490:  Leftovers yeah but
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 Leftovers. #
Interviewer:  When you begin to eat something you put it in your mouth and begin to
490:  Chew.
Interviewer:  What about this stuff that uh some people make with cornmeal boiling water with some salt and eat it that way. You ever heard of anything
490:  #1 Mush. #
Interviewer:  #2 like that. # Mush.
490:  {NW} You can tell by my expressions what I like and what I don't like don't you
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard that called anything besides
490:  #1 Uh. #
Interviewer:  #2 mush. #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Ever heard is called cush?
490:  Cush? uh-uh.
Interviewer:  What do you call the small plot that you might have around the house where you grow vegetables
490:  Garden.
Interviewer:  And what is this food that uh people here in the south especially like to eat usually for breakfast it's white you know
490:  Grits.
Interviewer:  Grits. And what about the the whole kernels of corn.
490:  hominy
Interviewer:  {D: Harney} And that starchy food that uh grows in Louisiana. Big deal.
490:  Rice.
Interviewer:  What about homemade uh alcoholic beverage what have you heard that called?
490:  Homemade alcoholic beverage. Wine.
Interviewer:  Wine.
490:  {NW} Got some elderberry and some blackberry. #1 Some of it's #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
490:  not too good som- we d- we're learning. Summer by summer we're learning.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah I've tried my hand at that. #
490:  #2 We're improving as we go along. #
Interviewer:  Several years ago. I guess I was still in high school friend of mine and I tried to make some kind of wine I forget what it was. {D: What did we make out of it} I think muscadine.
490:  Oh.
Interviewer:  But it turned to vinegar. {NW}
490:  {X} {NS} excuse me. {C: ringing} {X}
Interviewer:  Let's see uh if something's cooking and it makes a good impression on your nostrils you say mm that sure does
490:  Smell good.
Interviewer:  You mentioned syrup a minute ago. Is there anything uh similar to syrup to you but maybe a little bit different
490:  Honey. Honey syrup.
Interviewer:  What about molasses?
490:  Molasses #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 as # syrup and molasses are they the same to you or different?
490:  No. We I use only molasses when we have hot biscuits. I don't like molasses on pancakes or things like that I we like maple syrup on pancakes. Molasses is really thicker and heavier and just completely different taste has a sorghum taste to it where the other
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 maple. #
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. What about if I have a a belt that's made out of cow hide pure cow hide. I might say now this isn't imitation cow hide it's
490:  Leather. It's for real.
Interviewer:  Or.
490:  The real thing.
Interviewer:  #1 The real #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Another adjective might be uh it's genuine.
490:  Genuine.
Interviewer:  What about sugar that's not sold in prepackaged form but maybe straight out of the barrel. You say it's been sold how?
490:  I don't have any idea. never bought any that way.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard that it's being sold in bulk or
490:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 Loose or something like that. #
490:  #2 Mm. # {X} I'm not familiar with it that way.
Interviewer:  What about uh these uh uh condiments that everyone has on table in shakers they have
490:  Salt. Pepper.
Interviewer:  If uh let's say if I have a a bowl of apples and peaches and I offer it to you. You might say well I'll take a carrot for a peach but
490:  Perhaps an apple.
Interviewer:  Now what about if you're uh trying to instruct somebody as to how to do something you might say well now don't do it that way do it
490:  This way.
Interviewer:  What would you say the opposite of rich is?
490:  Poor.
Interviewer:  And what about uh if a man has a lot of peach trees together you call that
490:  An orchard.
Interviewer:  {NW} Talking about rich and poor I might say well when I was a boy my father was poor but next door was a boy
490:  Had a lot of money.
Interviewer:  Or in terms of having a father. When I was a boy my father was poor but next door was a boy
490:  Whose father was rich.
Interviewer:  Do you remember that tr- uh tree that George Washington
490:  #1 Mm. #
Interviewer:  #2 was supposed to have # chopped down?
490:  Cherry tree.
Interviewer:  What do you call the inside
490:  #1 The pits. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
490:  #1 Stone. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  Cherry stone too I've heard it's called stone.
Interviewer:  What about the inside of a peach.
490:  That's a stone.
Interviewer:  Stone.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  You know some peaches in some peaches the meat is is tight against the stone
490:  Cling. Cling #1 peaches. #
Interviewer:  #2 what a # bout the other kind?
490:  Free stone.
Interviewer:  Free stone. What do you call the part of an apple that's left after you eat what you want of it?
490:  Core.
Interviewer:  Is there anything you can make from by cutting up apples and peaches and letting the parts to dry?
490:  Mm-hmm. Um. Fried fried peach pies and fried apple pies and everything from the dried peaches.
Interviewer:  Is that just what you call the parts just dried. Apples.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  And dried peaches. #1 Or whatever. #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
490:  #2 #
Interviewer:  And what about these tell me about some different types of nuts that grow around here.
490:  Okay. We have pecans. Walnuts. Hickory nuts. Um. Nuts. Pecans walnuts hickory nuts {C: whispering} Acorns. {NW} all the wild things Acorns um. {X} Nuts. I don't know I think that's
Interviewer:  Any of these that grow in the ground you know? Sometimes farmers raise a lot of them I don't
490:  #1 Peanuts. #
Interviewer:  #2 know if you raise much around here. #
490:  {NW} Our national. {NW} The national peanut. Yes. We don't have many peanuts growing around here though.
Interviewer:  You ever heard of peanuts called anything else?
490:  Goobers.
Interviewer:  Goobers. What about this nut uh it's part of I'm sure it doesn't grow around here but it's available during Christmas time in stores. Kind of long and
490:  Brazil nut.
Interviewer:  Brazil nut. Or
490:  Almonds.
Interviewer:  #1 What about this #
490:  #2 Cashews. #
Interviewer:  Yeah. What about this fruit that grows uh {D: like} in Florida. {D: A new bride gets}
490:  An orange.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And uh this this is a root vegetable. It's red. Kinda small. Real hot and peppery. Tasting. And I think a relish is called horse
490:  Horse radish. Horse radish. Radish. Oh a radish. {NW} I didn't know what you were talking
Interviewer:  And what about these uh these big red things that you have uh grow 'em with the uh vines you know the plants. Lot of people
490:  #1 Tomatoes. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Is there a small variety about that size.
490:  Cherry tomato's what we call those.
Interviewer:  And what about different types of uh potatoes.
490:  {NW} Sweet potatoes. Or yams. We don't call them yams much though. Uh sweet potatoes and white potatoes. Red potatoes new potatoes.
Interviewer:  #1 What's a new potato? #
490:  #2 {NW} # New potatoes are red potatoes it's just like this and in the spring when y- when your snap beans and new potatoes come in and it's good cooked together.
Interviewer:  What about this vegetable that will always make you cry if you
490:  An onion.
Interviewer:  Peel it yeah.
490:  My daddy calls it onion.
Interviewer:  A what?
490:  Onion.
Interviewer:  Oh yeah.
490:  {NW} For some reason I don't know why.
Interviewer:  What about the small variety with a stalk.
490:  Uh. {NW} Green onions.
Interviewer:  It's called
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 green onion. #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Now what about this uh vegetable uh it's green. Long and slender. About that size. Uh you can cut it up and fry it or boil it. Gets a little slimy when it's boiled.
490:  Okra.
Interviewer:  Yeah. Or if if you leave an apple around in the sun it's gonna dry up and
490:  Shrivel. {C: sounds like swivel}
Interviewer:  What about this uh leafy vegetable that uh
490:  Lettuce. #1 Cabbage. #
Interviewer:  #2 Or? #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # You mentioned beans a minute ago what about some different types.
490:  Um the snap beans. Green beans. Butter beans. Um. Great northern beans. Dried beans. Pinto beans. Um. Yellow beans. Um what other kind of beans. Green beans. Green beans snap greens. Same thing.
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  Um. What kind of beans.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 Kidney beans. #
Interviewer:  You mentioned butter beans. When you after you pick the butter beans you have to bring 'em in and
490:  Shell 'em.
Interviewer:  I meant to ask you. When you mentioned walnut a minute ago. {D: What you} call that hard cover around the
490:  #1 A shell. #
Interviewer:  #2 walnut. # And what about the part that might stain your hands when you pick 'em?
490:  I don't know what that um shell. Husk. Not husk. We call that I don't know. We have to crack that rough part and then get down to the other part so you can get to the other part.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Well} maybe the hull. #
490:  #2 I don't know what that's called. #
Interviewer:  #1 Do you call it that? #
490:  #2 Hull I guess. Hull. #
Interviewer:  What about uh if you uh take the tops of some turnips and cook 'em that way. Say you're cooking a mess of
490:  Turnip greens.
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 anything else? #
490:  Turnip greens. Sallet.
Interviewer:  How would you how would you uh buy lettuce. You buy it by the
490:  Head.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard a person refer to his children as so many head of children?
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 No. No. #
Interviewer:  What about if uh if a man has seven boys and seven girls in his family. Referring to the number you'd say he had a whole
490:  whole lot. Whole bunch. Too many. {NW}
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard people say he had a whole passel
490:  #1 Whole passel of children. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  Yup.
Interviewer:  What do you call the outside cover of a uh piece of corn?
490:  #1 Husk. #
Interviewer:  #2 That you have to # And what about the top the thing that grows out the top.
490:  Silks.
Interviewer:  Is that the same thing as the as what you now the silk isn't that what you have to brush off
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 the uh #
490:  #1 whole down the kernels #
Interviewer:  #2 and there's something # kinda different from the silk that grows out the top of the ear
490:  They're silks I don't know whether called something else or not.
Interviewer:  You ever heard it called the tassel?
490:  Tassels. Yeah. But now what we usually call the tassel is when uh when the corn grows up and then the things that come out the top of the of the corn stalk itself we call that's when it's tasseling out. Then you know that your corn you know it's beginning to form and everything. And but when your silks turn brown the ear then it's time to pick the corn.
Interviewer:  Any special names for uh for corn that's uh tender enough to eat right off the cob? You ever heard that called anything? In particular.
490:  You mean b- without cooking it? Just eating it? #1 Or cooking it? #
Interviewer:  #2 Not necessarily. #
490:  Just corn on the cob?
Interviewer:  Yeah. You ever heard of roasted ears?
490:  Roasting ears yeah. Sweet corn. {NW}
Interviewer:  What about this big round thing that people buy around Halloween
490:  Pumpkin
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. And this is another kind of vegetable. It's uh usually yellow. Crooked neck.
490:  Squash.
Interviewer:  What about some different kinds of melons
490:  #1 Melons. #
Interviewer:  #2 that grow around here. #
490:  Okay. Watermelons. Cantaloupe. Honeydews. Um. Cantaloupe. I don't know. Cantaloupe. Honeydews. Watermelons.
Interviewer:  Different colored meats for the watermelon?
490:  Uh-huh. Um the yellow and the red but most of it's around around here is people grow red. Red meat.
Interviewer:  #1 Any way to tell #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  what kind of uh what color it what it is without cutting it?
490:  Mm. Seem like the the yellow m- meat watermelon has is lighter in color and more a solid color whether they the green uh red interior is striped {D: whatever that is}
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 My daddy #
Interviewer:  Okay. Let's see. Oh yeah. Uh. Sometimes you see these things growing wild in people's yards. Have a slender stalk and the top of 'em. Kind of spreads out. Looks like an umbrella when it's open.
490:  Um. #1 Some kind of apple. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 Is that what I'm talking about? #
Interviewer:  #2 Uh well it # grows just grows right there. You know.
490:  Yeah {NW} Oh. I know what you're talking about. Sometimes they have a little yellow ball on it I mean green ball on 'em and it's some kind of apple. And that's just a it's a like a crabapple. Not a crabapple but some- I don't know. I've forgotten. They have a fruit on them if you let 'em grow long enough.
Interviewer:  That's I think. I think you're thinking about something else.
490:  #1 Oh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Some of the} # had mushroom in mind.
490:  Oh a mushroom oh okay I thought you was talking about those li- gr- oh okay.
Interviewer:  Is there a variety is is there something like a mushroom that's little different that's not good to eat?
490:  #1 Mushrooms are a little bit different. #
Interviewer:  #2 Ever heard that called. Yeah. # Make you sick if you eat it.
490:  #1 Poison mushrooms is all I can think of #
Interviewer:  #2 Heard it called # Ever heard it called a toad
490:  #1 Toadstool. #
Interviewer:  #2 stool. #
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Is that a variety that you think of as uh
490:  No. Oh. That you mean is necessarily poisonous?
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  No I just I don't know enough about the mushrooms to tell the difference #1 but #
Interviewer:  #2 mm-hmm #
490:  I we usually we call 'em mushrooms instead of toadstools.
Interviewer:  What about if a man has a very sore throat he's tryna eat something. Might say well I'd like to I'd like to eat that but I just can't
490:  Swallow.
Interviewer:  What about these things that people smoke some people smoke
490:  Cigarettes.
Interviewer:  #1 Or. #
490:  #2 Cigars. # Pipes.
Interviewer:  What about if uh oh there are a lot of people at a party and somebody was playing piano they might all gather round and then begin
490:  Singing.
Interviewer:  Or somebody told a funny story they might all start
490:  Laughing.
Interviewer:  If uh somebody offers to do you a favor you might say well I appreciate it but I don't want to be
490:  Um. I don't wanna be a burden. Or I don't wanna cause a problem or I don't wanna be obligated to you
Interviewer:  Or if somebody ask you to do a certain job you might say well sure I
490:  Wouldn't mind doing that.
Interviewer:  Kay. Or if you're not able to do something you might say well I'd like to but I
490:  I Just can't.
Interviewer:  What about uh if uh If you're refusing to do something in a very strong way you might say well now I don't care how many times you ask me to do that I
490:  Just not going to do it.
Interviewer:  Or something else you might say uh kinda contracted form of will not I just
490:  Won't do it.
Interviewer:  Or Well what do you call this uh this bird that you find around these parts that's supposed to be able to see in the dark?
490:  A bird. That sees in the dark.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Goes hoot.
490:  Oh an owl. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 Are there different types that you call that? #
490:  #2 Uh-huh. # Barn owl. Snowy owl. Um. Hoot owl.
Interviewer:  What about the little one that makes this high pitched noise.
490:  A little owl with a high #1 pitched noise. #
Interviewer:  #2 A little smaller # than a hoot owl anyway.
490:  Screech owl.
Interviewer:  Screech owl. And this bird that drills holes in trees
490:  Woodpecker.
Interviewer:  Heard that called
490:  Peckerwood.
Interviewer:  Peckerwood.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You ever heard a person call
490:  #1 Uh-huh. Oh you #
Interviewer:  #2 somebody else a peckerwood. #
490:  Peckerwood.
Interviewer:  #1 What does that mean? #
490:  #2 He does that a lot. # I don't know it's a just a uh {NW} I don't think it's a derogatory term it's just sort of a friendly
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Friendly term you peckerwood.
Interviewer:  What about this animal it's uh black with a white stripe down its back.
490:  Skunk.
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called anything else?
490:  Uh pole cat.
Interviewer:  Pole cat. Is there any general term or {D: conference} of term that a person might use to refer to animals that are bad about getting into your hen roost and killing your chickens like weasels or pole cats or possum something like that. {D: You said they're just oh}
490:  Varmints.
Interviewer:  What about this this little animal with a bushy tail that runs around in trees.
490:  Squirrel
Interviewer:  Different types?
490:  Brown squirrel gray squirrel flying squirrel red squirrel
Interviewer:  Y- is there another name for a red squirrel?
490:  Fox.
Interviewer:  #1 Fox squirrel. #
490:  #2 Fox squirrel. #
Interviewer:  Is there some animal like a squirrel but it doesn't climb trees, burrows holes
490:  #1 Chipmunk. #
Interviewer:  #2 in the ground. # Chipmunk.
490:  Shorter tail.
Interviewer:  What about some different uh types of freshwater fish around here.
490:  Okay. Uh we have bass large mouth and small mouth. crappie. Um see crappie I'm not much of a fisherman so I don't know much about it. the bass and the crappie. brim
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  Um catfish. Catfish. Yummy. Um. No I guess that's all I know.
Interviewer:  Okay. And what about some seafood that's available in stores around here.
490:  Uh shrimp. Every once in a while. Fresh oysters every once in a while. Uh.
Interviewer:  #1 How how do you like to eat those. #
490:  #2 Not much lobster. # I don't like shrimp except fried. It's the strangest thing. I'll eat anything else
Interviewer:  Don't like boiled shrimp
490:  No I don't I really don't care for them. Um I I love oysters raw and
Interviewer:  #1 That's really repulsive to a lot of people. #
490:  #2 {D: rock fowl}. I know. # But I love them. But I don't like boiled shrimp and I like scallops. And uh any kind of seafood really. Snapper. I really like lobster. Some not much. And um Shrimp and lobster taste a lot alike to me I know lobster's supposed to be a lot better. {NW} Um. Let's see what other kind of seafood. Um Ocean perch. I like all the you know the fish.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about this animal what about this animal that uh stays around {D: ponds} a lot. Makes a croaking noise.
490:  Uh. Bullfrog. Um.
Interviewer:  What about the ones that stay round your garden all the way in pretty much.
490:  They're just frogs or toads.
Interviewer:  Toads.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What about these tiny one uh don't get much bigger than that. Um. Some people say they're supposed to come out after a storm.
490:  {D: No.}
Interviewer:  You heard of uh tree frog?
490:  Tree frogs yeah they have the suction on their
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  On their feet.
Interviewer:  What about things that people might use for bait when they go fishing?
490:  Uh nightcrawlers or um roaches. Worms. Earthworms. Uh some people use cheese. {NW} Supposed to t- attract a certain kind of fish. Uh. Crickets.
Interviewer:  What about these little fish
490:  Uh. Minnows. Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  I've heard of people catching catfish with soap before.
490:  Soap.
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If you get 'em going say they'll bite anything.
490:  Oh.
Interviewer:  But usually they'll bite anything as long as it smells {D: dead}. What about uh this animal you can find it in streams. It's uh oh I don't know it's not very big. I think some people eat 'em especially in Louisiana. Uh. Looks kinda like a little lobster. And it's got claws.
490:  Crawfish. Or crayfish.
Interviewer:  What do you call this insect uh that's bad about getting into your clothes and eating holes
490:  #1 Moth. #
Interviewer:  #2 in 'em. # And this insect sometimes you see 'em at night. They flash a light
490:  #1 Lightning bugs. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
490:  Fireflies.
Interviewer:  What about this insect. Has a slender body and a transparent transparent wings. Find it around ponds a lot. Sometimes it will light on your pole you know.
490:  Dragonfly. Snap uh not snapdragon that's a flower. Dragonfly or a snake doctor.
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called anything besides uh
490:  a witch something. My mother in law calls it something that has a witch uh
Interviewer:  Is that right
490:  Witch something. I don't remember what she calls it. She says they're poison. But they're not.
Interviewer:  You ever heard it called a mosquito hawk?
490:  Uh-uh.
Interviewer:  {X} Wh- what about some uh insects that could sting you?
490:  Uh. Wasp hornet yellow jacket mosquito um bumble bee sweat bee Insects. Spider's not an insect. Um #1 I don't know. #
Interviewer:  #2 What about this insect # that uh makes its nest out of mud
490:  #1 uh dirt {D: diver} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Do they sting?
490:  I don't think so.
Interviewer:  What about these insects that might burrow under your skin and make your skin itch.
490:  Uh. Uh. Chigger. took me a while to think of it.
Interviewer:  What about some different types of snakes around here.
490:  Uh we have a few rattlesnakes. Not much. Uh. Copper mouth. Cotton mouth. Water moccasin. A lot of them.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  I guess you do too
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 down where you live. # And um water moccasin cotton mouth. Um. Chicken snakes. Black racers. Blue racer. Um. Copper head. Mm. The hognose snake. Green snake. Not much {D: happening} green snakes. I don't know where they all are.
Interviewer:  Mm.
490:  {NW} We used to have green snakes all the time. I used to put 'em in jars and put 'em in the freezer and freeze. {NW}
Interviewer:  Why in the world.
490:  {X} course they were dead. Take 'em out and you could bake 'em. That's really gross isn't it. No.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Hmm. I have to {D: relate that} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Used to do that all the time.
Interviewer:  Still do that?
490:  #1 No that was a long {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Now we got to raid your refrigerator.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # What about these uh insects that you might see hopping around in your front yard.
490:  Grasshoppers.
Interviewer:  You ever heard those called
490:  leafhoppers. A leafhopper's a different thing than a grasshopper though. Grasshopper. Uh. No.
Interviewer:  You ever heard somebody call it a hopper grass.
490:  Hopper grass. Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  What about these things sometimes they collect in the corners of your ceiling. You have to get a broom and
490:  Cobwebs
Interviewer:  And is that the same thing that you might see outside between two bushes or something like that?
490:  That's a spiderweb
Interviewer:  #1 Spiderweb. #
490:  #2 to me. #
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 Inside {D: where there's} dust is cobweb #
Interviewer:  There's dust.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What do you call the part of the tree that grows underground.
490:  root.
Interviewer:  And the kind of tree that can be tapped for syrup?
490:  there's uh maple tree um other kinds of syrup though besides maple. Um. I'm not sure the term for it.
Interviewer:  #1 Well what about if #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  you have uh a lot of maples growing together. You say you had a
490:  Stand.
Interviewer:  Stand.
490:  Mm-hmm. Or yeah stand
Interviewer:  What about uh a kind of tree that has these broad leaves and bark that peels and these little hard balls or knots all over it.
490:  Bark that peels. Is that an elm? Beech. Beech tree.
Interviewer:  Are there any sycamores around here?
490:  Sycamore yeah.
Interviewer:  What other different types of trees
490:  #1 Uh the deciduous #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Those} are the ones you named. #
490:  trees that we have are oak white red pin and um then maple trees and pine trees and cedar trees and dogwoods and um sycamores and uh did I say maple I said maple. Uh poplar. Uh then all the flowering trees that we have are uh-huh redwood not redwood redbud Um trying to think what we've got in our yard. Um. {NW} Oh there's gobs more. Elm beech um hmm got a little scrub tree out there I can't think of what the name of that thing is Um looks like a dog- the leaves look like a dogwood. that's not sycamore that's um it's uh smilax and then there's I don't know more
Interviewer:  #1 That's pretty good #
490:  #2 I can't think {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  {D: cross second} Have you ever heard of any type of bush that has uh bright red berries and uh old people were supposed to use it in tanning leather
490:  Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  You ever heard of a plant called the shoemake?
490:  Oh yeah.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: Are those still around here} #
490:  #2 But I didn't know they used it in tanning. Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  They did.
490:  #1 S- we call it #
Interviewer:  #2 What about #
490:  Sumac though
Interviewer:  {D: Sumac}
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What about this uh this stuff that you know that if you get into it'll your skin
490:  #1 Uh-huh poison #
Interviewer:  #2 breakout and itch. #
490:  oak. And I am so allergic.
Interviewer:  Is that right.
490:  We got poison oak and poison ivy but ivy's the five leaf and the oak is the three leaf. And I can just take the ivy and do it like that, but the oak. I can just get within a hundred feet of it and I've got it.
Interviewer:  Yeah. What about some different types of berries that grow around here.
490:  Berries. Uh blackberries elderberries uh then the uh berries that grow on poke sallet and I don't know what
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  I don't know what they are poke sallet berries I guess. Um. {X} Trying to think of edible things. Blackberries. We don't have gooseberries and raspberries things like that. We do have boysenberries Um.
Interviewer:  What do you call this kind type of shortcake that you might have
490:  Blueberries. We don't any blueberries in this area. I mean unless somebody set them out, but they're not natural. To the
Interviewer:  #1 What about #
490:  #2 area. #
Interviewer:  strawberries?
490:  Strawberries yeah.
Interviewer:  You have that.
490:  Uh-huh. We have a strawberry festival here in west Tennessee.
Interviewer:  What about is there any type of laurel that grows around here?
490:  Mm. Not that I know of not uh it's not native habitat for the laurel that's mostly in the east Tennessee in the mountains.
Interviewer:  Any rhododendron.
490:  No. East Tennessee. We're off we're sort of flat land down here.
Interviewer:  What about this big tree that uh see around the South for a good bit was the bright green shiny leaves and the white flowers on it
490:  Magnolia
Interviewer:  What uh what would a a woman who has lost her husband she's a
490:  A widow.
Interviewer:  Any names for a woman who has a whose husband hasn't died but she's just but he's just left her
490:  Lucky?
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 No. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Uh. Let's see. No. Name for a woman who still has a husband who's left her. Hmm. Just. Separated woman I d- I don't know.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard it called a grass widow?
490:  A grass widow yeah. In books. That's something else I've read about but n- we never heard the term used. Somebody that I knew
Interviewer:  What did you uh call your mother and your father when you were little?
490:  Daddy and Mama.
Interviewer:  What about your grandparents?
490:  Grandmother #1 grandaddy. #
guy:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
guy:  #2 #
490:  It's the seventeenth.
Interviewer:  What about uh. Have you ever heard a a name that a child was called just within his own family. By nobody else. What type of name is that?
490:  Nickname. Baby name. {NW}
Interviewer:  What about this thing that's uh it has wheels. You can put a baby in it.
490:  Stroller.
Interviewer:  Stroller.
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. Buggy. #
Interviewer:  #2 Heard it called anything else. #
490:  #1 Baby buggy. #
Interviewer:  #2 buggy. #
490:  {NW} different type of thing though
Interviewer:  What would you say if you were uh {D: let's see} putting the baby in the in the buggy you'd saying I'm gonna
490:  #1 Stroll the baby. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Go out} #
490:  push the baby. Stroll the baby.
Interviewer:  What about uh uh a person's children. Are his sons and his
490:  Daughters.
Interviewer:  Or his boys and his
490:  Girls.
Interviewer:  And if a woman is about to have a baby you'd say she's what?
490:  Pregnant.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
490:  Uh. Uh. I don't know I've heard 'em say she's hatching I can't
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 stand that. That's just gross. #
Interviewer:  And some people might think pregnant is too crude a term to use so they might try to soften it up and say something else
490:  Just gonna have a baby.
Interviewer:  #1 Gonna have a baby or #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 Gonna be expecting #
490:  #2 Um # Expecting yeah.
Interviewer:  Ever heard anybody say she's in a family way?
490:  Yeah. An old term too. {NW}
Interviewer:  Any type of {D: milking or jocular} term that uh
guy:  {X}
490:  a joking term. Mm. My father and brother said I was gonna calf
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 and I stopped that. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 I said that's that's really pathetic. # then when his wife was pregnant he didn't say #1 that #
Interviewer:  #2 oh # #1 Naturally. #
490:  #2 She stopped it. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Sure. # I don't know what are you talking about
Interviewer:  #1 Well one fellow told me #
490:  #2 when you said jokingly. #
Interviewer:  that uh she swallowed a pumpkin seed
490:  Oh.
Interviewer:  That kind of thing.
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  If uh if a woman's gonna have a baby and there's not a doctor around the woman that might be sent for
490:  midwife.
Interviewer:  Heard call heard her called anything else?
490:  Uh. Midwife. hmm.
Interviewer:  Heard her called the granny woman?
490:  Granny woman. Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about if a boy has the same color hair as his father the same color eyes and his nose is shaped the same you say the boy
490:  Looks just like his father.
Interviewer:  And what about uh a woman who has looked after three children till they're grown up you say that she's three children she's
490:  Raised. incorrect {NW}
Interviewer:  What about if to a child who's misbehaved you might say well now you do that again I'm give you a good
490:  Spanking.
Interviewer:  Well what about the verb grow. The past is
490:  Grew. Grown.
Interviewer:  What about a child that's born to an unmarried woman You would call that a
490:  Illegitimate child.
Interviewer:  Any other terms?
490:  Uh technically a bastard. But we don't say that.
Interviewer:  You ever heard
490:  #1 It's unkind. #
Interviewer:  #2 uh # {NW} Have you ever {C: slurred} heard uh a child like that called a woods colt?
490:  A woods colt? No.
Interviewer:  Haven't heard of that. What about uh
490:  Born out of wedlock.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Ever heard it called a {D: volunteer}?
490:  Mm-mm.
Interviewer:  What about if uh you have a brother and he has a son that would your
490:  My nephew.
Interviewer:  What about a child that's lost both of its parents? That's a
490:  Childless. No uh. Orphan. {NW}
Interviewer:  And the person who's appointed to look after
490:  #1 A guardian. #
Interviewer:  #2 that {D:kid} # If the house is full of people like your cousins and your aunts and your uncles and people like that you say the house is full of your
490:  Relatives.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 Kin folks. #
Interviewer:  Or you might say about somebody who looks a little bit like you and even has the same name as you do you might say well even if that's so I'm really no
490:  even if that's so I'm really no. Huh.
Interviewer:  And we planned it perhaps some
490:  #1 Kin. Oh okay. #
Interviewer:  #2 relationship exists. Yeah. # What would you s- call somebody like me who is comes into town nobody's ever seen him before
490:  #1 Stranger. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # And somebody who comes in from another country?
490:  foreigner.
Interviewer:  Would you necessarily call somebody a foreigner who's not uh really from another country?
490:  Mm-hmm. Even from a- -nother uh state or even from a just another town that had moved in. People say oh they're foreigners now.
Interviewer:  Foreigner?
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  {NW} I'm gonna ask you some about some names. Proper names. First names. Uh. Name first names for a girl that begin with the letter M.
490:  Okay you want me to think of names
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 for girls. # Alright. Mary. Marian. Meredith. Um Uh Mavis. {NW} Mabel {NW} Uh let's see uh Miranda. I have a ni- niece named Miranda. that was my great-grandmother's name. Uh.
Interviewer:  What about George Washington's wife.
490:  Martha.
Interviewer:  Okay. What about with the letter N.
490:  Letter N. Uh Nicole. Uh Natalie. Um. Nicky um
Interviewer:  Some of the farmers name their cows
490:  Nellie.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. What about a a boy's name that begins with B. It's short for William.
490:  Bill.
Interviewer:  Or.
490:  Billy.
Interviewer:  What about uh a man's name that begins with an M this was uh oh well one of the four gospels in the
490:  #1 Matthew. #
Interviewer:  #2 Bible. # Have you ever heard of a woman who teaches school referred to anything particular. Might be an old-fashioned term
490:  Schoolmarm
Interviewer:  School {D: worm}. {NW} What about a married woman whose last name is Cooper. You'd address her as
490:  Mrs. Cooper.
Interviewer:  You ever heard of a a preacher who was uh really not trained to be a preacher. Really not very good at it. Does something else for a living just does this on the side. You ever heard any sort of derogatory term uh to describe a person like that?
490:  Hmm. I can't think
Interviewer:  Mm. You ever heard of a jack leg preacher.
490:  Huh-uh.
Interviewer:  Haven't heard of that. And what about uh if your mother has a sister that would be your
490:  Aunt.
Interviewer:  Another woman's name that begins with the letter S uh wife of Abraham in the Bible.
490:  Sarah.
Interviewer:  If you have if your father had a brother named William that would be your
490:  Uncle Bill. {NW}
Interviewer:  And if you had one named John. That would be your
490:  Uncle John.
Interviewer:  What about. What did you call the uh uh war that was fought between the North and the South
490:  Civil War.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
490:  War between the states. War of the revolution. I don't say that though. {NW}
Interviewer:  You ever heard it called the war of northern aggression.
490:  No. Oh that's a #1 good one. I'll have to #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  remember that. {NW}
Interviewer:  Who was the commander of the Southern forces.
490:  Robert E. Lee.
Interviewer:  And what was his rank?
490:  General.
Interviewer:  What's the the fellow you see on the TV advertising Kentucky Fried Chicken.
490:  Colonel Sanders.
Interviewer:  And what about uh a person who's in uh charge of a ship. You call him the
490:  Captain.
Interviewer:  And the man who presides over the county court. He's the
490:  Uh judge.
Interviewer:  And a person who goes to college to study he or she is a
490:  Student.
Interviewer:  And the woman who takes care of an executive's paperwork his typing and
490:  #1 Secretary. #
Interviewer:  #2 his filing. # And uh a man who performs on stage. An actor. A woman is called
490:  Actress.
Interviewer:  And our nationality we're
490:  Americans.
Interviewer:  And not very long ago here in the South there used to be separate facilities one for the whites and for the
490:  Blacks.
Interviewer:  What would you do you suppose Blacks would preferred to be called
490:  Blacks.
Interviewer:  Blacks.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What about a term they definitely would not want to be called
490:  Nigger.
Interviewer:  #1 Any other terms? #
490:  #2 Or colored. # They stop they don't like colored anymore.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. What used to be the the proper term people thought
490:  Proper term. #1 Negroes. #
Interviewer:  #2 Mm. #
490:  Which they technically are
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. What what would you call the child who's born to racially mixed parents?
490:  Um. Hmm. Biracial. I don't know.
Interviewer:  #1 Have you ever heard them called a #
490:  #2 {D: Know there's} a more casual term. #
Interviewer:  mulatto. Something
490:  #1 Yeah. #
Interviewer:  #2 like that. #
490:  Octoroon and on down the line. {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what about uh have you ever heard white men white people refer to other white people who are poor, shiftless, lazy, good for nothing by any term in particular
490:  Poor white trash.
Interviewer:  Now would that be the same term that uh uh a black person would use to describe a white people who are like that. Would they have something #1 different #
490:  #2 Probably. #
Interviewer:  Probably the same.
490:  They look down on 'em just like
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about somebody who uh is made fun of when he comes into the city say a person from the country doesn't really stand
490:  #1 The #
Interviewer:  #2 there #
490:  hick.
Interviewer:  A hick.
490:  Redneck.
Interviewer:  A redneck. Mm-hmm. Have you ever heard a country person called a hoosier.
490:  Hmm-mm. People in Ohio wouldn't like that would.
Interviewer:  {NW} Uh what about uh have you ever 'em called no podunk.
490:  Podunk. No we have uh a little community in Weakley County called Podunk anyway.
Interviewer:  Is that right?
490:  Yeah that and Lickskillet.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Podunk {X} #
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 All kinds of. Podunk as you #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  say if somebody's from really you know
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 really {X} Yeah # Go to Podunk high school. {C: interviewer laughing}
Interviewer:  #1 Is there really. #
490:  #2 No. #
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # If somebody's really ignorant you say do you go to Podunk high school.
Interviewer:  Is that like John King Memorial High School?
490:  What is that?
Interviewer:  Oh that's just a local joke.
490:  #1 Oh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # What about uh let's see uh oh have you ever heard white people referred to as crackers?
490:  Mm-hmm. Georgia crackers.
Interviewer:  Is that uh what's that supposed to mean to carry an insult or uh
490:  Uh-huh. Um there's something about that term came from the Civil War but I don't remember That you know when the and the rednecks Georgia rednecks and Georgia crackers
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  The rednecks came when the people were starving to death and they ate the dirt. I know that
Interviewer:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
490:  #2 that's supposed to # be where that came from but I don't know about the crackers.
Interviewer:  Hmm. Okay. What about if uh if the sidewalk is iced over you might say well I managed to keep my balance but I
490:  Almost fell.
Interviewer:  Or somebody's waiting on you to get ready to go somewhere and says uh w- would you hurry up let's go. You might tell them well I'll be with ya in
490:  Just a minute.
Interviewer:  Sounds like that was very familiar
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 Will you wait a minute I'm hurrying #
Interviewer:  #2 situation. #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Well what about if you're on the if you think you're on the right road but you're not sure the distance that you might ask somebody well how
490:  Far is it
Interviewer:  Or talking about if you wanna know how many times about something you might ask well how
490:  I don't understand {X}
Interviewer:  Well let's say uh you wanna ask somebody how many times you go to Jackson during the week you might ask well
490:  How far is it? How f- How many times how many miles
Interviewer:  #1 Or #
490:  #2 How many times. How often. # I got you. okay
Interviewer:  Well what about if uh if somebody says well I'm not going to vote for so and so for president and you're agreeing with him you might say well
490:  #1 Why not. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  Oh neither am I.
Interviewer:  I'm gonna ask you about a few names for a few parts of the body. This part right up here
490:  #1 {D: Thyroid} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # And this is my
490:  Ear. Head. Hair. {NW}
Interviewer:  Talking about ears. Is which one is this?
490:  {NW} That's your left one. {C: laughing}
Interviewer:  #1 This is my #
490:  #2 {X} your right one. #
Interviewer:  Good. And this is my
490:  Mouth. Lips.
Interviewer:  These are my
490:  Teeth.
Interviewer:  And the fleshy part?
490:  Gum.
Interviewer:  Okay um. Plural teeth but singular
490:  Tooth.
Interviewer:  And this is my
490:  Neck.
Interviewer:  Or my
490:  Chin. Throat.
Interviewer:  Yeah. And this thing that uh
490:  Adam's apple.
Interviewer:  You ever heard of that called anything else?
490:  Uh yeah. Um. Adam's apple uh uh something else but I can't think of what it is We always say Adam's apple.
Interviewer:  Ever called goozle?
490:  Goozle. Yeah. {NW]
Interviewer:  One fellow called it his go fetch it.
490:  Go fetch it.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. Did I tell you about that?
490:  No.
Interviewer:  #1 #
490:  #2 #
Interviewer:  #1 {D: I think I} understand why #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  I guess cause it goes and fetches the food down the throat or something.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 I don't know. Wh- # Let's see what if I let let the hair on my face grow out I'm growing a
490:  Beard.
Interviewer:  And this is my
490:  Hand.
Interviewer:  I have two
490:  Hands.
Interviewer:  And this part is the
490:  Palm
Interviewer:  And I make a
490:  Fist.
Interviewer:  And I have two
490:  Fists.
Interviewer:  Sometimes when people get older they complain they're getting a little bit stiff in their
490:  Joints.
Interviewer:  And the part of your body is your
490:  Chest.
Interviewer:  And these are your
490:  Shoulders.
Interviewer:  And uh this is my right
490:  Leg.
Interviewer:  And that's my
490:  Foot.
Interviewer:  And you have two
490:  Feet.
Interviewer:  What about this part right here.
490:  Your shin.
Interviewer:  And what if I this part right here
490:  Thigh.
Interviewer:  Ever heard that called anything else?
490:  Not that I know of.
Interviewer:  Heard people call it their haunches?
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Squat down on their haunches. #
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about uh say somebody's been sick for a while he's up and around now. You might say well he's up and around now he still looks a little
490:  Pale. Bad. Sick.
Interviewer:  You ever heard people say peaked?
490:  Peaked. Yeah.
Interviewer:  What about the person uh who's very strong and and he's very muscular and can lift heavy weights
490:  #1 Mm. #
Interviewer:  #2 You say he's a real #
490:  Muscled up. He's a real Charles Atlas. He's um Heavyweight.
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm. Well what about somebody who uh always has a smile on his face and he never loses his temper. You might say he's mighty
490:  Even-tempered. Mild mannered.
Interviewer:  What about sometimes when a boy's growing up there seems to be a certain age uh at which he just runs into everything you know knocks things over
490:  #1 Clumsy. #
Interviewer:  #2 trips over his own feet. #
490:  Clumsy.
Interviewer:  Or what about a person who just keeps on doing things that don't make any sense. You might just call him a plain
490:  Nut.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
490:  um. Make any sense.
Interviewer:  What about just a plain old fool.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Is that a pretty strong word to use?
490:  the fool. yeah
Interviewer:  Strong.
490:  #1 Pretty strong. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Let's say a person who has a good deal of money, but he hangs onto it
490:  #1 Penny pincher. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  Miser. Chintzy.
Interviewer:  Ever called
490:  Stingy.
Interviewer:  Tight wad?
490:  Tightwad.
Interviewer:  #1 Some {X} #
490:  #2 Old scrooge. #
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  If you were to say that so and so was uh is just a common person what would you mean by that?
490:  A common person. Uh well to be a common person is different from being common. Uh a common person is not a- as derogatory a remark as calling somebody common. When you're common you're low life
Interviewer:  Mm-hmm.
490:  But if you're common that's just means everyday ordinary.
Interviewer:  {X}
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 Grandma says. #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Sometimes my grandma says things that startle me.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # I was trying to I was trying to get her goat one day and just gross her out. She said Martin {D: you gag a maggot}
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 That is pretty strong for an elderly lady. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # {NW} {NW} She's a {X} She'll say go to Guinea. You ever hear that?
490:  No.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  That's the same thing as
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Kind of a diluted version.
490:  Uh-huh.
Interviewer:  Well what about if uh the children are out later than usual and you might say well I don't suppose there's anything wrong, but I can't help feeling a little
490:  Apprehensive or worried about 'em.
Interviewer:  You wouldn't feel easy you'd feel
490:  Mm I'd feel i- uneasy.
Interviewer:  Now what about somebody who doesn't wanna go upstairs in the dark. You say they're
490:  Fraidy cat. And afraid of the dark.
Interviewer:  Or what about uh how would you describe somebody who leaves a lot of money out in uh open view with the door unlocked. You'd say he's mighty
490:  Easy with his m- no not easy with his money no that's something else. He's mighty careless.
Interviewer:  Oh what about
490:  What?
son:  is it alright if I turn on the TV with no sound
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Yeah that sounds
490:  Alright. You're not gonna get much out of it
son:  I'm gonna watch it
490:  Okay.
Interviewer:  Gotta {X} to you #1 one way or the other #
490:  #2 Mm. # Turn it down turn it down.
Interviewer:  What about uh say if you have an Aunt named Lizzie and she nothing really wrong with Aunt Lizzie but she just acts kind of
490:  Strange.
Interviewer:  Would you ever describe uh someone like that by saying she acts kinda queer?
490:  Mm-hmm. Weird. Goofy.
Interviewer:  What about somebody who makes up his mind about something whether he's right or wrong and just refuses to change his mind.
490:  #1 Mm. #
Interviewer:  #2 You say he's mighty #
490:  Hard headed. Pig headed. Set in his ways.
Interviewer:  You ever heard him called mule headed
490:  #1 Mule headed. #
Interviewer:  #2 or something like that? #
490:  Hmm.
Interviewer:  What about somebody who you just can't joke with 'em. Uh without him losing his temper. You say he's mighty
490:  Straight laced. Um. Hard to get along with. hmm.
Interviewer:  You ever heard of somebody like that called a mighty touchy person.
490:  Touchy t- yeah Mother says my disposition is showing.
Interviewer:  {NW} Well what about someone like that you might say well I was just kidding him I didn't know he was gonna get
490:  So uptight about it.
Interviewer:  Or if somebody's about to lose his temper you don't want him to you might say well now just
490:  Settle down.
Interviewer:  Or keep
490:  Keep uh keep cool.
Interviewer:  Okay. Now what about if you've been working all day. You say you're very
490:  Tired.
Interviewer:  And if you're very very tired you're all
490:  Pooped out.
Interviewer:  {NW} Or let's see say you hear somebody's in the hospital. You might say well he was looking fine yesterday when was it he
490:  Took sick.
Interviewer:  Or you might say let's say if you're going somewhere and you're not in any particular hurry you might say oh we'll get there
490:  Whenever we get there.
Interviewer:  You ever heard people say something like uh we'll get there by and by
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  You ever hear that? What about if somebody got uh overheated and chilled at the same time. His eyes his nose start running. You'd say he caught a
490:  Bad cold.
Interviewer:  And if it affected his voice you'd say he's a little
490:  Hoarse.
Interviewer:  And if he does that he's got a little
490:  Cough.
Interviewer:  Or uh You might say well I think I'd better go to bed I'm feeling a little
490:  Oh little bad. Little Mm queasy little
Interviewer:  #1 Or if it's #
490:  #2 oh #
Interviewer:  just late in the day you might just be a little
490:  Tired. A little worn out.
Interviewer:  And i- You might go to sleep but at six oh clock you say I'll six oh clock in the morning I'll
490:  Feel much better. I'll get up. I'll
Interviewer:  When you open your eyes you
490:  Wake up.
Interviewer:  {NW} Or you might say well how bout somebody else. He's still sleeping you better go
490:  Wake him up.
Interviewer:  What about the word the verb take. The past is
490:  Took. Taken.
Interviewer:  And if somebody who has trouble hearing you might say just about stone
490:  Deaf.
Interviewer:  And when you start working {D: and} on a hot day during the summer it's not long before you begin to
490:  Sweat. Perspire.
Interviewer:  Some people get these uh places on their skin they're kind of a white spot in the center and red around it. Sometimes they have to mash it to get that white stuff out.
490:  Pimple.
Interviewer:  Call it a pimple.
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. Uh blemish. #
Interviewer:  #2 Heard it called anything else? #
490:  Um. Bump.
Interviewer:  Bump.
490:  Mostly bump.
Interviewer:  {D: Is that about} a boil?
490:  Boil yeah boil.
Interviewer:  What is what is that white stuff that
490:  Pus.
Interviewer:  If somebody is uh trying to do some work with their hands and they're not used to it they'll probably raise some
490:  Blisters.
Interviewer:  What do you call that liquid that's inside a blister
490:  Uh it's just some watery stuff.
Interviewer:  Okay. And uh let's say if uh a bee bites you. Stings you on your hand it might get bigger or it might
490:  Swell.
Interviewer:  What about the past of that word.
490:  Swell. It uh swelled and it has swollen.
Interviewer:  And if somebody uh let's say gets shot in the leg you might have it have to take him to the doctor. So that the doctor could treat the
490:  Wound.
Interviewer:  And if the wound doesn't heal cleanly you might have some kind of white granular type flesh form around it
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. Putrid. #
Interviewer:  #2 What kind of flesh is that? #
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  You ever heard that called uh proud flesh}
490:  Proud uh-huh.
Interviewer:  What about if you get a cut on your finger and you don't want it to get infected what might you put on it??
490:  Uh disinfectant. Alcohol uh antiseptic.
Interviewer:  Or some kind of liquid in your medicine cabinet uh kind of a brown stuff. That {D: stinks.}
490:  Hydrogen peroxide. {NW}
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Uh. {X}
490:  #1 Yeah #
Interviewer:  #2 or #
490:  #1 {X} #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: and} some kind of #
490:  {NW} {X} really uh well not {D: my side left her}
Interviewer:  #1 This is {X} #
490:  #2 Oh #
Interviewer:  Sometimes when uh if you go to a hospital and uh they have to make x-rays if they want to trace something out they might give you an injection of radioactive
490:  {NW} {NW} I know what you're talking about but I cannot say it. thiolate oh Uh I can't I'm just gonna give up
Interviewer:  Iodine.
490:  #1 Iodine #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  I swear I
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. #
490:  #2 couldn't think. #
Interviewer:  What about this white shade of powder that was taken uh by people who were suffering from malaria.
490:  Mm-hmm. Hmm. I've gone blank on everything. I can't even think. Um. {NW} Oh it tasted terrible. Quinine.
Interviewer:  And what about uh you might uh about a patient uh in the hospital. Well the doctor did everything he could but the patient
490:  Died anyway.
Interviewer:  You ever heard any uh other way of saying that.
490:  Expired.
Interviewer:  Expired. What about maybe some crude kind or jokey type
490:  #1 Kick the bucket. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Kick the bucket.
490:  Bit the dust.
Interviewer:  {NW} Or croaked.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Croak. And what about the the place where people are buried that's the
490:  Cemetery.
Interviewer:  Do you make any distinctions. Say if it's a around somebody's residence just a small area you'd still
490:  #1 Mm family graveyard. #
Interviewer:  #2 call that a cemetery. # {D: graveyard} Oh what about the box that a person is buried in that's the
490:  Coffin.
Interviewer:  And the ceremony for the dead person
490:  #1 Funeral #
Interviewer:  #2 that's a #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # And the people who are dressed in black you say they're in
490:  Mourners. In mourning.
Interviewer:  If somebody uh greets you on a on an average day you know with how are you feeling what would you probably say?
490:  Fine.
Interviewer:  And let's say if uh if the children are out late and you're getting a little bit excited about it uh your husband might say well they'll be home alright just don't
490:  Worry about it. Don't fret.
Interviewer:  Fret.
490:  Don't get s- bent out of shape.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 That's what he says {C: laughing} #
son:  {X}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {NW}
son:  {X}
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {D: Went} swimming in the river when you were three years old.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # What about uh a person. If a person's getting old uh might say they've got a touch of
490:  Old age.
Interviewer:  #1 Or if you know their joints are aching #
490:  #2 {X} touch of gout. #
Interviewer:  Gout or #1 what else is it that they complain about. #
490:  #2 Mm arthritis # got uh rheumatism.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. What about this disease that would cause your skin to turn yellow?
490:  Y- jaundice.
Interviewer:  And if somebody's getting that severe pain in this area they might
490:  Abdominal pain.
Interviewer:  #1 Or have {X} #
490:  #2 Appendix. # Appendicitis.
Interviewer:  What if somebody ate something that disagreed with them and it came back up. You'd say they had to
490:  Throw up.
Interviewer:  #1 Anything else? #
490:  #2 Vomit. # Mm. Um.
Interviewer:  Maybe some crude terms.
490:  Uh puke.
Interviewer:  #1 Such a pleasant subject. #
490:  #2 Ew that's awful. #
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 That's terrible hate that word. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # Somebody who is uh {D: yuck} I interviewed a lady she said that is just absolutely my least favorite word. I cannot stand that word. Said that and {X} I hate
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # I don't like that word. I said well so I said they puked up their {D: middles} you would really be
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # She almost showed me the door.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} # What about somebody who's like that. You say they're sick where
490:  At the stomach.
Interviewer:  And uh Let's say a boy who keeps going over to the same girl's house pretty regularly. You get the idea that he's pretty serious. You say he's doing what. He's
490:  go um {NW} Courting pretty steady. Uh going steady. He's smitten. {NW} He's got it bad.
Interviewer:  W- what would you call him. You'd say that he's her
490:  Uh. Steady. uh boyfriend.
Interviewer:  And she's his
490:  Girlfriend.
Interviewer:  What about if the boy comes home and his younger brother sees traces of lipstick on his collar. He might say aha you've been
490:  Making out. {NW}
Interviewer:  Or what about if he asks her to uh marry him and she doesn't want to you'd say that she did what to him
490:  Refused him. Turned him down.
Interviewer:  But if she didn't maybe they went ahead and got
490:  Married.
Interviewer:  What do you call the man who stands up with the groom in the ceremony.
490:  Best man.
Interviewer:  And the girl who stands up with the #1 bride #
490:  #2 Maid of honor. # Or matron of honor.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard of any type of uh
490:  -gotten what they call it. It's a
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard it called a serenade or chivaree or
490:  #1 Uh-uh #
Interviewer:  #2 something like that? #
490:  I don't think so.
Interviewer:  Okay what about uh
490:  I'm glad they stopped that custom.
Interviewer:  Yeah {C: laughing} Annoying I'm
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 sure. # What about uh let's say if if you were at a party a lot of people at a party and they started getting a little bit uh rowdy. Maybe a neighbor calls the police. When the police come over they don't arrest just one person but they arrest the
490:  A whole gang of 'em
Interviewer:  And at a party sometimes you know when the couples get out on the floor and a band's playing they begin to move around they begin to
490:  What are you talking about an orgy? {NW}
Interviewer:  Much tamer than that.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 You know, {D: I mean} # The music you just call yourself the man and woman you know #1 Waltzes. Yeah. {D: Something} #
490:  #2 Not dancing. Dancing. Oh. #
Interviewer:  Lots of different types.
490:  {X}
Interviewer:  #1 Oh no. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Okay. Go ahead.
Interviewer:  What about some different types of dances.
490:  Uh we did the U-T when we were in school #1 uh #
Interviewer:  #2 The U-T #
490:  the U-T that was a thing. University of Tennessee invented it I think. Um and the funky chicken and um let's see I can't think of any Watusi. I remember doing that oh that was Uh. Um. Al- the gator #1 Yeah that was gross too. #
Son:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  #1 And um. I can't tell. {C: laughing} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  Waltz. Foxtrot.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  The samba. The mamba. Um. Mm. Let's see.
Interviewer:  Uh-oh.
490:  He's squealing. Don goes in there wakes him excites him. Let's see. Think things that we did that were not so um demonstrative
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Um I don't know and I don't know what the kids are doing now. I think that's m- about I've
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 done all the things on the dancing. #
Interviewer:  I guess that that should date you
490:  #1 Right. #
Interviewer:  #2 sufficiently. #
490:  Right.
Interviewer:  What about uh your children get out at get out of school at three oh clock. You say at three oh clock school does what?
490:  Turns out.
Interviewer:  And if it's toward the end of summer vacation you might ask well when does school
490:  Start.
Interviewer:  And if a boy leaves home to go to school, but never gets there on purpose you say he did what
490:  Playing hooky.
Interviewer:  And a person goes to school to get
490:  An education.
Interviewer:  And after high school some people go on to
490:  College.
Interviewer:  And at uh school each child has his own individual
490:  Desk.
Interviewer:  And a room full of those you have many
490:  Desk.
Interviewer:  What about uh a building in town well where you would go to check out books.
490:  A library.
Interviewer:  And if you wanted to mail a package you'd go to the
490:  Post office.
Interviewer:  And if you had to stay overnight in a strange town you'd stay at the
490:  Motel.
Interviewer:  Or the
490:  Hotel.
Interviewer:  And if you wanted to go see a play or a movie you'd go to the
490:  Theater.
Interviewer:  And if uh you were pretty ill you might have to go into the
490:  Hospital.
Interviewer:  And the woman there at the hospital who looks after you she's the
490:  Nurse.
Interviewer:  And if you had to catch a train in town you'd go down to the
490:  Depot.
Interviewer:  Or
490:  #1 Train station. #
Interviewer:  #2 another # Or a rail
490:  Railway station.
Interviewer:  If you had to catch a bus
490:  Go to the depot. Terminal. Whatcha want? Excuse me I gotta go p- and fix diaper
Interviewer:  Okay.
490:  the diaper. Mm-kay.
Interviewer:  What about uh in some towns uh there's a place downtown around the court house you know the stores are arranged
490:  #1 Court square #
Interviewer:  #2 uh # Court square. Are there any uh parks in {D: around} Dresden.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Anything like that.
490:  Uh w- up at the Wilson park's new. recreation area that's been built. Have a pool and tennis courts and couple #1 baseball #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  diamonds. And some #1 Pavilion #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  and uh miniature golf and things like that.
Interviewer:  If uh two roads or two streets intersect each other kind of like that one going that way and one that way
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 way # If you were standing on this corner right here
490:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  and you wanted to get to the other side. Uh instead of going let's say from here to here over here crossing with the lights.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  If you went straight across like that you'd say you crossed how?
490:  Diagonally.
Interviewer:  Diagonally. And what uh would it be possible for somebody to describe that as going catty-corner?
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  Same thing. What about these vehicles that were used for transportation within the city uh ran on rails and
490:  #1 Street cars. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D:: little} wires. # Street car. Or if you were riding on a bus you might tell the driver uh the next corner is where I want
490:  Off.
Interviewer:  And here in the weekly county Dresden is the
490:  County seat.
Interviewer:  Person has a civil service job he doesn't work for the state, but he works for the federal
490:  Government.
Interviewer:  What would you say the police in a town are supposed to maintain?
490:  I beg your pardon
Interviewer:  What would you say that the police in a in a town are supposed to maintain
490:  Law and order
Interviewer:  And before the uh electric chair what did they do to murderers. They were
490:  Hanged them.
Interviewer:  I'm gonna ask you for uh the names of a few cities and states {X} What state in the country has the city with the largest population? Would you say.
490:  Uh. New York state. New York City.
Interviewer:  And Baltimore is in
490:  Maryland.
Interviewer:  And Richmond is in
490:  Virginia.
Interviewer:  And Raleigh is in
490:  Uh Raleigh Raleigh Sou- uh North Carolina.
Interviewer:  And the one right below that is
490:  South Carolina.
Interviewer:  And Atlanta's in
490:  Georgia.
Interviewer:  And Montgomery is in
490:  Alabama.
Interviewer:  And uh Baton Rouge is in
490:  Louisiana.
Interviewer:  Louisville's in
490:  Kentucky
Interviewer:  And uh Independence is in
490:  In- uh Independence Missouri
Interviewer:  Little Rock is in
490:  Arkansas
Interviewer:  And Dallas is in
490:  Texas.
Interviewer:  Tulsa.
490:  Oklahoma.
Interviewer:  Boston.
490:  Massachusetts.
Interviewer:  Any name for the states in the east say from Maine to Connecticut all of 'em referred to as
490:  Maine to Connecticut. New England States.
Interviewer:  What about the the biggest city in Maryland. You'd say that's
490:  Baltimore I guess
Interviewer:  And the capital of this country is
490:  Washington D.C.
Interviewer:  And uh the biggest city in Missouri?
490:  St. Louis.
Interviewer:  What about an old seaport in South Carolina?
490:  Mm. Charleston.
Interviewer:  What about the biggest city in Alabama?
490:  Uh Birmingham.
Interviewer:  And the big meat packing city in Illinois?
490:  Chicago.
Interviewer:  And the capital of Alabama?
490:  Montgomery.
Interviewer:  And the port city in Alabama?
490:  Mobile.
Interviewer:  What gulf is that on?
490:  Gulf of Mexico
Interviewer:  You know of a a resort city in the western part of North Carolina I think it was in Thomas Wolf's home.
490:  I don't know about Thomas Wolfe {X} Myrtle Beach? No.
Interviewer:  No.
490:  Uh. Resort city. Western North Caroli- Oh Western North Carolina I'm going Eastern North Caroli- That still doesn't help. Resort city. Resort city. #1 I don't know #
Interviewer:  #2 Asheville. #
490:  Asheville. Is that a resort city?
Interviewer:  #1 What about uh #
490:  #2 I didn't know that #
Interviewer:  the big city in East Tennessee where you teach {X}
490:  Knoxville.
Interviewer:  And another big city right on the Alabama Tennessee line
490:  Chattanooga.
Interviewer:  And another one uh over in the western part on the line
490:  Memphis.
Interviewer:  And the capital of Tennessee.
490:  Nashville.
Interviewer:  And the capital of Georgia?
490:  Um um um um um um um um
Interviewer:  #1 The biggest city. #
490:  #2 {NW} # Atlanta. {NW}
Interviewer:  What about a big sea port in Georgia.
490:  Georgia. Uh big sea port in Georgia. Savannah. That's n- Is that a big city? {D: Don't wanna know}
Interviewer:  What about the the city in Georgia that's right across from {D: Phoenix City} Alabama
490:  Um um Columbus. Phoenix City. {NW} Sin City
Interviewer:  That's right. What about uh the biggest city in Louisiana.
490:  Uh Bat- oh uh New Orleans
Interviewer:  And the other one you were about to say?
490:  Baton Rouge. Baton Rouge.
Interviewer:  And the uh the city in Ohio where the baseball team is the Red
490:  Cincinnati.
Interviewer:  And the biggest city in Kentucky.
490:  Um
Interviewer:  They had horse races.
490:  {NS} Lexington.
Interviewer:  Was it Lexington.
490:  I don't think so. {NW}
Interviewer:  It's the something Derby.
490:  Kentucky #1 Derby at uh #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 #
490:  Well I'll declare Not Frankfurt. Not Lexington.
Interviewer:  It begins with an L.
490:  Yeah well Lexington and um Louisville.
Interviewer:  And if you were in Moscow you'd be in
490:  Russia.
Interviewer:  And if you were in Paris you'd be in
490:  France.
Interviewer:  If you were in Dublin you'd be in
490:  Ireland.
Interviewer:  What uh About how far would you say is it from here to uh {X}
490:  Nine miles.
Interviewer:  And what about uh if you were asked to go somewhere without your husband you might say well I won't go
490:  Alone.
Interviewer:  #1 Or #
490:  #2 Or without him. # Oh single. Um. By myself.
Interviewer:  What about uh if you like a person uh a very funny person and you like him for that reason that he's funny. If somebody asks you why do you like so and so what do you say. You might say well I like him
490:  He's a lot of fun to be around. He's funny. He's a humorous person.
Interviewer:  What about uh the uh if two people become members of the church you say they did what.
490:  Joined the church.
Interviewer:  And the person goes to church to pray to
490:  #1 The lord. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Anything else.
490:  #1 God. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  And if you go to church to listen to the preacher preaching
490:  {X}
Interviewer:  Or somebody might say well I don't care anything about hearing the sermon I just go to listen to the
490:  #1 Singing. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Or all that's called the
490:  #1 Um #
Interviewer:  #2 they're making a lot of #
490:  racket {C: laughing} {NW} Um. Uh.
Interviewer:  You'd say my goodness that's nice or that's pretty
490:  Music.
Interviewer:  Or if you saw a very attractive sunset you might say my that sure is a
490:  Beautiful sunset.
Interviewer:  Or let's say you were on your way to church but you have a flat tire. You had to change it. You might say well Church will be over
490:  #1 by the time I get there. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  What is supposed to be the the enemy or the opposite of God that's the
490:  The devil.
Interviewer:  Any other names for that?
490:  Satan. hmm.
Interviewer:  #1 Is anything #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  #1 made made with a #
490:  #2 from scratch #
Interviewer:  Yeah like the devil or that uh parents might uh uh refer to to scare the children
490:  #1 The boogeyman. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # The boogeyman. What about these things that people think they see around uh graveyards at night
490:  Ghosts.
Interviewer:  Ghosts.
490:  Goblins. Spooks. #1 Haunts #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 {NW} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  And what about if uh some of these things got in the house and people wouldn't go there because they say the house is
490:  Haunted.
Interviewer:  {X} You might your son is asking you to go somewhere you might say well I'll go if you insist but I
490:  Really don't want to #1 I'd rather #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  stay at home.
Interviewer:  What would you say to an old friend of yours that you haven't seen in a long time you know from seeing them the first time. What would you probably say?
490:  Um. Where have you been it's been a hundred years since I've seen you.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Uh it's l- long time no see. Good to see you.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard people say something like uh we'd be mighty proud to see you
490:  #1 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 or mighty proud to have you come over. Something like that. # Would you say that Would an older person be more likely to say something like that
490:  #1 Mighty proud. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  Uh-huh. be I'd be really glad or awfully happy or something like that
Interviewer:  If a if a man owned about a oh I don't know a couple of thousand acres of land referred to a quantity of land you'd say that he owned a
490:  A lot of land.
Interviewer:  Do people around here say {D: bright smart}
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  To refer to quantity. That's a right smart of land.
490:  Mm-hmm.
Interviewer:  What about if you wanted to say if you were agreeing with somebody you wanted to say something stronger than just yes what might you say?
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  {D: you're saying this}
490:  #1 Uh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  {NW} Uh. Something stronger than yes. You better believe it. Or. {NW} That's really so or Um.
Interviewer:  Do you ever say certainly
490:  #1 Uh-huh. #
Interviewer:  #2 I'll do that. # Well what about if uh somebody if somebody has heard that you're able to do something unusual and they ask you about it say can you do that. You might say I
490:  Sure I can.
Interviewer:  And if you wanted to be polite to an older man, instead of just saying yes to him you'd probably say yes
490:  Sir.
Interviewer:  And to a woman.
490:  Yes ma'am.
Interviewer:  Well what about if you got out one morning and it wasn't just a little cold it was
490:  Really cold.
Interviewer:  If you were uh let's say {D: heeded} yourself for doing something stupid, accidentally knocking off your plate at the table or something like that what might you say to yourself
490:  {NW} that's the most stupid thing you've ever done. It's really dumb. I talk to myself like that all the time anyway I know #1 that #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Well what if somebody has said something about you that you don't appreciate what might you remark when you hear that
490:  I really like that a lot.
Interviewer:  Do you ever would somebody likely say something like well the idea of them
490:  #1 Well idea. #
Interviewer:  #2 saying something like #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # What if, you meet somebody what would say by when you're greeting them. Say asking about their health
490:  #1 How you doing #
Interviewer:  #2 You'd say # Would you say the same thing to a stranger?
490:  No. I'd say how are you? {NW}
Interviewer:  Oh what about if somebody is leaving after a visit and you'd like them to come back some time in the future you'd say well I hope you'll
490:  #1 Come back soon. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  Or y'all come back and see us. We don't get out much. {NW}
Interviewer:  Or maybe just come a
490:  Come back.
Interviewer:  Come again.
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  What would you say to somebody in greeting them around December twenty-fifth.
490:  #1 Merry Christmas. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  Is there something you're supposed to say when you someone on Christmas Day the first time you you're supposed to say it before they say it to you Some sort of game.
490:  I don't know what you're talking about.
Interviewer:  Christmas gift.
490:  Huh-uh.
Interviewer:  #1 You haven't heard about that #
490:  #2 I don't know anything about that #
Interviewer:  Uh what do you say to somebody in greeting them around January first.
490:  Happy new year.
Interviewer:  And
490:  How many #1 resolutions #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  have you broken already?
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about what might you say uh if somebody's done you a favor you might say well I'm much
490:  #1 I'm much #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  appreciative.
Interviewer:  Appreciative. Or I'm much to you I'm much
490:  uh obliged. Much obliged.
Interviewer:  Let's say if you uh had to get a few things downtown you might say well I need to go to downtown to do some
490:  Pick up a few things. Do some shopping.
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  And if uh you made a purchase the storekeeper would probably, let's say he took a piece a paper and
490:  Purchase took a piece of paper {C: whispering} Gave you a receipt? #1 Uh. #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} # Let's say the thing he purchased that she purchased he'd take a piece of paper
490:  #1 And wrap it #
Interviewer:  #2 #
490:  up oh okay. {X}
Interviewer:  And when you get home of course you have to
490:  Unwrap it.
Interviewer:  If a if a store is selling things for uh for uh less than what they paid for them you say they're selling at a
490:  Discount at a loss.
Interviewer:  {X} Let's say if there's a a new dress you see downtown you might say well I'd sure like to have that but it just
490:  Too expensive. #1 Cost too much. #
Interviewer:  #2 Or #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # If it's time if it's time to pay the bills you say the bill is
490:  Due.
Interviewer:  Some clubs require that you pay your
490:  Dues.
Interviewer:  And if uh let's say a farmer wants to buy a tractor but he doesn't have enough money he would uh go to his banker to see if he
490:  #1 Borrow. #
Interviewer:  #2 could #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # You've probably heard the expression that nowadays good workers are getting mighty
490:  Hard to find.
Interviewer:  #1 Or another way of saying that #
490:  #2 Scarce. #
Interviewer:  #1 #
490:  #2 #
Interviewer:  What about what do you say a boy does when he jumps off a springboard into the water
490:  Dives.
Interviewer:  And the past of that is
490:  Dove. Or dived.
Interviewer:  And the
490:  #1 He has dived. #
Interviewer:  #2 participle. # And once you get in the water you begin to
490:  Swim. Swam swum.
Interviewer:  What do you call it uh when you dive in and land flat on your stomach #1 {X} #
490:  #2 Hmm belly buster. #
Interviewer:  Belly buster. Or what if a a boy is playing in the yard and he might duck his head down and kick his feet out and go over like that #1 You'd say he #
490:  #2 A somersault. #
Interviewer:  You ever heard of uh maybe a storekeeper giving you a little gift or present when you come in to pay off your bill or just to give you something? What is that called?
490:  Sucker.
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 {NW} # Uh. I don't know. I don't know what they call it What do they call it?
Interviewer:  Well Louisianans call it a a lagniappe. L-A-G-N-I-A-P-P-E
490:  Huh.
Interviewer:  It's fine I've never gotten any response to that in this area. What about talking about swimming if somebody doesn't know how to swim they might
490:  Drown or sink.
Interviewer:  And the past of drown is
490:  Drown drowned drowned.
Interviewer:  What does a baby do before it's able to walk.
490:  Crawls.
Interviewer:  And if there's something up a tree that you need you might have to
490:  Climb.
Interviewer:  #1 And the past. #
490:  #2 Climbed. # Climbed.
Interviewer:  Let's say if uh if uh Donald wants to scare you say he's going to hide behind the couch what would you say he has to do
490:  #1 Crouch. #
Interviewer:  #2 to # Crouch down. And he might jump up very quick and say something. #1 What might he say? #
490:  #2 Mm-hmm. # Boo.
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard anybody say {D: peepy}
490:  Mm-hmm. #1 {D: Peepy} #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  Play with babies. Hide your face. Come back out.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  peep-eye {NW}
Interviewer:  So when a when a child right before a child goes to bed he might say his prayers. He'd beside the bed you'd say he
490:  Kneels.
Interviewer:  And if you're feeling tired you might say well I think I'll go to bed {X} {C: baby yelling}
490:  #1 Take a nap. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Or.
490:  #1 Lie down. #
Interviewer:  #2 When you #
490:  #1 #
Interviewer:  #2 # Or somebody who was really sick you'd say he couldn't even sit up he just had to
490:  Lie. #1 Mm-hmm. #
Interviewer:  #2 in bed all day. # And these things you see in your sleep sometimes you say you begin to
490:  {NW} That you see in your sleep. Dream.
Interviewer:  What's the past of that verb?
490:  Dream dreamed dreamt.
Interviewer:  You might say well I was dreaming about such and such but all of a sudden I
490:  Waked up.
Interviewer:  What would you say I did if I brought my foot down on the floor very hard
490:  Stomped it.
Interviewer:  And if uh if a boy meets a girl at a party and he would like to see her home after it's over he he might say well may I
490:  Walk you home.
Interviewer:  Or if uh let's say if your car's stuck in the mud you might ask somebody to take the rope and
490:  Pull you out.
Interviewer:  What if you had to if you had a suitcase that was extremely heavy and uh you wanted to emphasize how heavy that thing was that you had to carry it around. Instead of saying just carried it around you might say I had to
490:  Drag it.
Interviewer:  Drag it. Or anything else. Drag it or. An expression for carrying something.
490:  Tote.
Interviewer:  Tote it. You ever heard people say I had to lug that thing
490:  Yeah lug it. Uh-huh that means more than tote doesn't it
Interviewer:  Now what about if uh if your children are playing around in the kitchen and you're cooking something you might say now don't talking about the stove you might say that stove is very hot so
490:  Don't touch it.
Interviewer:  Or if let's say if you uh when you're playing when you're little you might've played tag or something like that
490:  {NW}
Interviewer:  What would you call this place that you can run to and be safe
490:  Home free.
Interviewer:  #1 That was home free. #
490:  #2 Uh-huh #
Interviewer:  Or if I throw you a ball and you're supposed to
490:  catch it.
Interviewer:  And the past of that is
490:  Caught. Caught.
Interviewer:  Or if we're supposed to meet in town I might say well if I get there before you do I'll
490:  Wait for ya.
Interviewer:  If you're husband has a man who's working for him and he's not been doing his job he might say well I believe I'm gonna have to
490:  Fire him. Let him go.
Interviewer:  Or. {C: baby crying}
490:  No. {C: whisper}
Interviewer:  The man might come back and tell him well just give me
490:  My job back. Or give me a second chance
Interviewer:  Or let's say that a man who always has a smile on his face pleasant words for everybody you might say well he sure seems to be in a good
490:  Mood.
Interviewer:  Or a good
490:  #1 Uh good mood. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  good mood Needs to be in a #1 good mood #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  or he is sure in a good frame of mind
Interviewer:  #1 Or #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  People used to call the ice cream stand the {X}
490:  Go- {NW} I don't know the good uh
Interviewer:  Humor man
490:  Good humor yeah okay.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh if a boy left his best uh pen out of his desk and when he got back it was gone he might say well looks like somebody
490:  Ripped me off.
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Stole my pen.
Interviewer:  Or you might say well I'd forgotten about that, but now I
490:  Remember it.
Interviewer:  Or well must have a better memory than I do because I sure don't
490:  Remember it.
Interviewer:  If uh you wanted to get in touch with somebody without calling them on the telephone you might
490:  Write them a letter.
Interviewer:  And that verb write
490:  #1 Wrote. Written. #
Interviewer:  #2 the past for it. # And after you get finished writing then you take an envelope and on the front of it
490:  #1 Write their address. #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: you'd probably just} #
490:  Address the letter
Interviewer:  You might say well I'd like to write it, but I just don't know his
490:  an address
Interviewer:  Or after you write the person you'd say well I expect to get a
490:  A reply.
Interviewer:  Or a
490:  Letter back.
Interviewer:  Or.
490:  Note back.
Interviewer:  Some of these what we're doing are question and
490:  Answers.
Interviewer:  Uh. Let's say if if {D: Donald} has learned how to whistle between his teeth or something like that and you want to know uh where he got it you might say well who
490:  Taught you that.
Interviewer:  Or if uh do children have a a name for for another child who always goes around telling on the other children.
490:  Tattle tale tattle tale hang your breeches on a nail. {C: interviewer laughing}
Interviewer:  {NW} What do telling gossip are they different? Or they mean the same thing?
490:  Uh they're different. Tattle's when you go to tell something on somebody expecting them that other person to be punished for it. And gossip is malicious behind their back. {NW} Not #1 not expecting #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  punishment for it.
Interviewer:  What about these uh things that that grow around your house. You might pick some up and put 'em in a vase
490:  Flowers.
Interviewer:  And children these things that they play with you say they have a lot of
490:  Pretties. or toys.
Interviewer:  What about uh if I have something that you needed right now you'd say to me what?
490:  Uh may I borrow that or d-
Interviewer:  Or if you're if it's urgent you'd say
490:  Let me have it.
Interviewer:  Or.
490:  Give it to me.
Interviewer:  That word give the past is
490:  Gave given
Interviewer:  And uh the verb begin. The past is
490:  Began begun.
Interviewer:  And what about uh to run.
490:  Ran run.
Interviewer:  And come.
490:  #1 Came come. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
Interviewer:  And see.
490:  Saw seen.
Interviewer:  Uh what about uh if the highway department's working on the roads and they just have say you can't get through there they've got the machine out and the road's all
490:  Blocked. Jammed.
Interviewer:  Or let's say if your husband gives you a bracelet for a gift and you're just sitting there looking at it he might say well don't just look at it go ahead and
490:  Put it on
Interviewer:  Or the verb to do the past is
490:  Did. Done.
Interviewer:  What about uh if you were just sitting there you haven't opened your mouth you haven't said a thing and somebody says what did you say? He'd say me I said
490:  Nothing.
Interviewer:  Or he might say oh I thought you said
490:  Something.
Interviewer:  Uh what about uh if somebody asks you how long you've lived here in Dresden you might say why I've
490:  Lived here all my life
Interviewer:  #1 I was #
490:  #2 Born and raised here #
Interviewer:  In other words I've
490:  Always lived here.
Interviewer:  Or talking about uh this thing uh talking about riding horses you might say well I got on one once and I've been scared of horses ever
490:  Since.
Interviewer:  Uh what about the verb to ask. The past is
490:  Ask asked asked.
Interviewer:  And the verb to fight.
490:  Fought.
Interviewer:  What if I accidentally with a knife gave myself a {D: lick} I accidentally
490:  Cut.
Interviewer:  Or.
490:  Stab.
Interviewer:  Or if uh you walked into a classroom and there are funny pictures on the whiteboard and I turn around and ask to say well now who
490:  Drew that
Interviewer:  And if if your husband {X} have to lift something really heavy up on the roof he might take a block and tackle and do what to get it up there?
490:  Uh raise it?
Interviewer:  Raise it or is there any other way of saying that?
490:  Um lift raise
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 lift. # Pull.
Son:  {NW}
Interviewer:  Pull or maybe hoist?
490:  Hoist yeah. I got to get him something to eat excuse me just a mi-
Interviewer:  What about if if you saw somebody bout uh ten oh clock in the day time, how would you greet them?
490:  Good morning.
Interviewer:  What's the latest in the day that you would say that?
490:  Um twelve oh clock.
Interviewer:  Uh and if you left someone say before it was night what would you say to them in going away
490:  Um before it was night.
Interviewer:  Uh-huh.
490:  Good afternoon.
Interviewer:  Good afternoon. Would you ever say something like good day?
490:  uh I wouldn't say it.
Interviewer:  You wouldn't say that Or uh the the part of the day after supper. What do you call that?
490:  Night or evening.
Interviewer:  Evening. And when you leave somebody at night what would you say to them?
490:  Goodnight.
Interviewer:  You'd uh
490:  But I wouldn't I wouldn't say good evening
Interviewer:  #1 Uh-huh. #
490:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  What about if uh on the farm you start work before daylight. You say that you started work before
490:  the sunrise.
Interviewer:  Beg your pardon.
490:  Before the sun rose.
Interviewer:  #1 I see. #
490:  #2 Or sunrise. # Before sun rose. Before daylight.
Interviewer:  And that that verb rise the past is
490:  Rose risen.
Interviewer:  And uh if if say a person worked until the sun went out of sight you'd say he worked until
490:  After dark.
Interviewer:  Or
490:  #1 Um #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  sun went down.
Interviewer:  Sun went down. Or another word to say after sun
490:  Set.
Interviewer:  Let's see today is uh Friday so Thursday was
490:  Yesterday.
Interviewer:  And Saturday's
490:  Tomorrow.
Interviewer:  What if somebody came to see you on Sunday uh the Sunday earlier than this past Sunday you'd say he
490:  #1 Sunday before last. #
Interviewer:  #2 came # Mm. And if he's coming to see you the Sunday after this one he's
490:  #1 Two Sunday #
Interviewer:  #2 coming #
490:  Um Sunday after
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Uh {D: what do I} say # Um let's see um not this Sunday, but next Sunday or next Sun- I don't know what I say #1 Sunday after next. That's what I say #
Interviewer:  #2 {X} #
490:  Sunday after next.
Interviewer:  Well what about uh If somebody stayed at your house from about the first to the fifteenth you'd say they stayed about
490:  Two weeks.
Interviewer:  You ever heard people say a fortnight?
490:  Yeah.
Interviewer:  Around here?
490:  Uh-uh not around here.
Interviewer:  Is that just a book #1 term for you, or what? #
490:  #2 Uh-huh # that's another one {X} {NW} book terms.
Interviewer:  Or. Let's see if you wanted to know the time of day you'd ask
490:  What time is it?
Interviewer:  And the person would say well just let me look at my
490:  Watch.
Interviewer:  Or what time would you say it was if it were midway between seven and eight oh clock
490:  Uh seven thirty.
Interviewer:  And if it were fifteen minutes later than half past ten
490:  Uh fifteen 'til eleven.
Interviewer:  Or #1 what about if #
490:  #2 eight forty-five #
Interviewer:  If you'd been doing something for uh a long time you might say well I've been doing that for quite
490:  A while.
Interviewer:  And uh let's see nineteen seventy-six was last year so nineteen seventy-seven is
490:  This year.
Interviewer:  About how old did you say Donald was
490:  Eight.
Interviewer:  He's eight.
490:  Mm-hmm
Interviewer:  What about uh something that happened about this time last about this time last year you'd say it happened
490:  About this time last year.
Interviewer:  About this time last year. Any other way of saying that?
490:  Uh. Last year this time? {NW} About a year ago.
Interviewer:  About a year ago okay. Or what about uh these puffy white things you see when you look up in the sky sometimes?
490:  Clouds.
Interviewer:  And if it's uh if you look up in the sky and they're no clouds around uh uh you might say well I believe we're going to have a
490:  Clear day.
Interviewer:  Or if it's if the clouds are dark and {D: in spite} of such a nice day you might say well probably gonna have a
490:  Uh. Rain or a bad day or a cloudy day. Bad weather.
Interviewer:  Talking about the weather if the clouds are getting thicker and darker and you think you're in trouble, going to have some rain, you'd say the weather's doing what?
490:  Clouding up.
Interviewer:  {D: Clouding up}
490:  Turning bad.
Interviewer:  Or if it's {D: beneath} the clouds pull away and the sun starts shining you say the weather's
490:  Clearing up. #1 Getting #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  pretty again.
Interviewer:  Well what about if you have a very heavy rain in a short period of time say an inch in just one hour you'd say you had a a regular
490:  Uh downpour.
Interviewer:  Downpour. Anything else for that?
490:  Uh rainstorm, thunderstorm uh cloud burst
Interviewer:  You ever heard people say a gully washer
490:  Gully washer, yeah.
Interviewer:  What about uh. The verb blow the past is
490:  Blew blown.
Interviewer:  And uh if the wind is coming from that direction you say it's coming from the
490:  South.
Interviewer:  And other
490:  North east west
Interviewer:  In between those two
490:  Northeast northwest southwest southeast
Interviewer:  #1 {NW} #
490:  #2 Northwest.` #
Interviewer:  If it if it's raining, but it's not raining very hard just a few drops something like that you'd say you're having just a little
490:  Sprinkle.
Interviewer:  Anything else?
490:  Uh. Drizzle. Um. #1 Rain shower. a little #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  #1 Uh #
Interviewer:  #2 Okay. # Well what about uh if you go outside you can't even see across the street in the morning because of it
490:  Fog.
Interviewer:  What kind of day would that be?
490:  Um dreary.
Interviewer:  #1 Or if #
490:  #2 Um #
Interviewer:  #1 you use the #
490:  #2 Foggy. #
Interviewer:  Uh-huh. And if you haven't had rain in a long time you're having a
490:  Drought.
Interviewer:  {D: What is} is there something not quite as serious as a drought
490:  Um. Dry spell.
Interviewer:  Dry spell. Or let's say if the wind has been gentle, but it's gradually getting stronger. You say the wind's doing
490:  #1 Picking up. #
Interviewer:  #2 what? #
490:  #1 Going on. #
Interviewer:  #2 And if it's just the opposite. #
490:  #1 Dying down #
Interviewer:  #2 If it's # Dying down. What about if you go out in the morning and it's it's cold, but it's not disagreeably cold. Just
490:  #1 Chilly. #
Interviewer:  #2 Kind of # weather you like to be out in, you'd say it's rather
490:  Chilly.
Interviewer:  Or if there's a light coating of white on the ground you say you had a little
490:  Snow.
Interviewer:  #1 {D: a little} #
490:  #2 Powder snow # Little snowstorm little
Interviewer:  Or if it's not necessarily snow it might just be a
490:  Dew
Interviewer:  Dew or if it's still the white stuff the icy
490:  #1 {X} #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  talking about.
Interviewer:  So you have to de- your refrigerator
490:  De-ice de- def- what am I doing mine's frost free.
Interviewer:  #1 Yeah. Frost. #
490:  #2 {NW} # {NW}
Interviewer:  Or you might say it was so cold the lake did what
490:  Froze over.
Interviewer:  Or the verb
490:  Froze frozen.
Interviewer:  Okay. If you would just count for me slowly from one to twenty.
490:  One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Seven. Eight. Nine. Ten. #1 Eleven. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  #1 Twelve. #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 #
Son:  #2 #
490:  Thirteen. Fourteen. Fifteen. Sixteen. Seventeen. Eighteen. Nineteen. Twenty.
Interviewer:  Kay and the number after twenty-six is
490:  Twenty-seven.
Interviewer:  And after twenty-nine
490:  Thirty.
Interviewer:  And thirty-nine.
490:  Forty.
Interviewer:  After sixty-nine.
490:  Seventy.
Interviewer:  After ninety-nine.
490:  One hundred.
Interviewer:  After nine hundred ninety-nine.
490:  One thousand.
Interviewer:  And ten times one hundred thousand is one
490:  Oh come on.
Interviewer:  It's one
490:  Million. {NW}
Interviewer:  And uh the day of the month that the bills are usually due that's
490:  First.
Interviewer:  And that then. The after the first is
490:  Second. Third. Fourth. Fifth. Sixth. Seventh. Eighth. Ninth. Tenth.
Interviewer:  Kay. And uh sometimes you feel that your good luck comes just a little bit at a time, but it seems your bad luck
490:  Comes all at once.
Interviewer:  A man got twenty bushels to the acre last year and forty bushels to the acre this year, you say that this year's crop was
490:  Uh twice as much.
Interviewer:  And the first month of the year is
490:  January, February, March, April, May June, July, August, September, October, November, December
Interviewer:  And today is
490:  #1 Friday #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
490:  the seventeenth.
Interviewer:  And tomorrow is
490:  The eighteenth Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Interviewer:  Have you ever heard Sunday called anything else?
490:  The Lord's day. The Sabbath.
Interviewer:  What what does Sabbath mean? Just
490:  Day of rest.
Interviewer:  #1 {X} #
490:  #2 I don't have any idea. # {X}
Interviewer:  #1 That's about that #
490:  #2 Day of worship. #
Interviewer:  That's about
490:  Are you through?
Interviewer:  {NW}
490:  Well good.
Interviewer:  {NW} Rejoice.
490:  #1 {NW} #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  #1 I bet you get tired of saying the same things over and over again #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. Yeah. #
490:  How many times a week do you how many different interviews a week usually #1 do you average #
Interviewer:  #2 I average about # {D: Three three and a half} three interviews a week Something like that.
490:  Well I guess you do get tired.
Interviewer:  #1 Oh gosh I'll #
490:  #2 Yuck #
Interviewer:  #1 I guess I'll do #
490:  #2 {X} #
Interviewer:  something between thirty and forty here in the summer. Something like that.
490:  How many years have you been doing this?
Interviewer:  Uh like I said in December I did ten in South Alabama, and so far this summer I think this is my this is my eighth this summer so I've done eighteen already so far {X} long. It's been {X}
490:  #1 No. #
Interviewer:  #2 {NW} #
490:  I wouldn't think so. I just who is sponsoring this thing I mean
Interviewer:  #1 Well #
490:  #2 Who who pays you # for your #1 work? #
Interviewer:  #2 Yeah. # It's uh it's funded by several grants mainly I think the National Endowment for the Humanities.
490:  #1 Okay. Is this from #
Interviewer:  #2 {D: Get my money from those} #
490:  Is this from Troy State or #1 or U-U-A or what? #
Son:  #2 {NW} #
Interviewer:  Uh Emory.
490:  Okay.
Interviewer:  Emory provides uh assistance in the way of fellowships for people who work on the project.
490:  #1 Okay. I see. #
Interviewer:  #2 If you wanna go to school out of state and all that. #
490:  I wondered how that worked. I didn't know whether it was a private thing or
Interviewer:  Yeah.
490:  Ben. You're gonna be a problem today I #1 I can see #
Interviewer:  #2 Here's your pen. #
490:  Oh okay thanks. {NS}