Interviewer: {NS} schools 494: Ladies only schools Interviewer: And uh What kind of furniture did you have in uh in the school room? 494: What kind of friends did you say? Interviewer: Furniture. 494: Oh furniture we had uh well I first started is double seats desk. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: You had a desk partner, or desk mate. Is that what it's called? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Two of you sat at the same desk. Interviewer: How many 494: #1 And then uh when the teacher called the reading class # Interviewer: #2 How many would there be? # 494: you'd go up to the front she had a bean chair there and you sit on that bean chair up there in front of her desk for your reading class. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. About how many um did you did you have in the room? 494: Well we when I first started the school we had all eight grades in one room. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And how many desks did you have um 494: {NW} #1 Well the # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 494: Mm the room was about the size of a this house I guess. Interviewer: That's large. 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: I hate to be the teacher. 494: Well um Well wasn't it? Aux: I don't hardly remember that school building down where you were in. 494: Well it it was it's pretty good #1 size room. # Aux: #2 Yeah. # This is a pretty good size room I guess it was 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Sure would have um have to behave or you'd have nothing but #1 chaos. # 494: #2 Oh yes # And and you had to raise your hand for permission uh to go talk to someone or even go talk to the teacher or to be excused or even to go out the door to spit. Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NW} 494: Anything to get up to get out of that desk. You could think up a lot of excuses to raise your hand to get permission to do. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And and uh were was there a section for the teacher at the front 494: Uh-huh mm-hmm. Interviewer: And about how many desks and what do you say? 494: Well we were in rows uh maybe the little first graders were over here in smaller desks and then the desks got larger as they went on over. Interviewer: Oh I see 494: And when she'd call first grade readers while we'd go to the front. Interviewer: I see 494: The rest of you rest of 'em were supposed to be studying. Interviewer: Sure they'd have to be different sizes. 494: Uh-huh Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh how about after you finished um What was your attitude toward going on after high school? Did you 494: Well when I finished high school oh I had marriage in mind. I didn't want to go on. Interviewer: Mm-hmm {X} if people did want to go on 494: If I had if I had gone on it woulda either been to a business school or into nurses' training. Those were my two choices that I had thought about during high school. Interviewer: Mm-hmm Where would the men go if they wanted to be a lawyer? or a doctor? 494: Well. We had the University of Tennessee didn't we? Aux: Yeah 494: There at the time? Interviewer: Mm-hmm 494: I think. And I guess that would be where they'd go. {NS} Interviewer: Did they uh 494: We had our our church schools we had Lambert. We had Union University, the Baptist school. Interviewer: Did they talk about going away to college or Aux: Uh-huh 494: Yes talked about going away to college mm-hmm. Interviewer: And uh Did they refer to or how did they refer to uh the general experience of school said that you're gonna get a good what? 494: Good education. Interviewer: Education. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: They you remember people talking about book learning? 494: Mm-hmm Interviewer: much uh 494: mm-hmm {X} But uh that was mostly when I was down in grade school. Interviewer: Oh I see 494: Course it was called education time I got on up to high school. But book learning was definitely a word used in this part. Interviewer: And if a girl didn't uh become a nurse what else might she become if she went to a town? 494: Oh well she could be a secretary. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Hmm My parents weren't much interested in me making a nurse because back then they thought nurses were kindly uh led a pretty loose life or immoral life. {NW} They weren't interested at all me making a nurse. Interviewer: Is that right? 494: But they were willing to send me to a business school. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Uh Interviewer: That's interesting. Uh nurses are the hero- the heroines #1 of today. # 494: #2 I tried uh-huh # Interviewer: {NS} But they were they felt 494: I don't know why they had that attitude maybe they knew some nurses I don't know. Interviewer: Well I agree with that I agree that there are places where um a doctor might be respected but the nurse is uh not especially. 494: Yeah Interviewer: And uh if someone came home and displayed something um some information his father might say or where did you learn that or who taught you or what would he say? 494: You mean if if a child went off to school somewhere and Interviewer: He would come home and he would #1 show off # 494: #2 Oh # Interviewer: something that he had 494: Yeah well where'd you get that tomfool notion? {NW} Interviewer: Uh Aux: Crazy eyed 494: Yeah crazy eyed {NW} Interviewer: Who taught you that? 494: Mm-hmm Who learned you that? Interviewer: Who learned you 494: Who learned you that? Wasn't who taught you that, it was who learned you that. Interviewer: Uh-huh And in the morning uh What time did the school uh 494: Eight o'clock. Interviewer: And here you say take up? 494: Take up school took up at the eight o'clock. Interviewer: And the afternoon? 494: Let out. Interviewer: At. Aux: Four. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. 494: We had recesses. Interviewer: And how about uh homemade games uh playthings Did you ever have anything that uh was on a pole a plank on a pole and it would go around? push you around? 494: I don't know. Interviewer: Just you know homemade Aux: Like it would go here scooting around. 494: Oh you meant the merry-go-round. Interviewer: Yes. 494: Yes. Interviewer: You either have it at school or at home? 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And you call that merry go round? 494: Merry go round Interviewer: did you ever hear it called a flying Jenny? 494: Mm-hmm. {NW} Interviewer: Is that right? 494: Mm-hmm Aux: They got one out there in Clovedale that what they call it 494: What flying Jenny? Aux: Flying Jenny. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: But back then we called 'em 494: Merry-go-rounds Interviewer: Merry go rounds And a uh board that was uh limber but fixed on both ends you jump on it. 494: Oh what was that called? Oh I know what you're talking bout. Interviewer: Does a joggling board sound 494: No I guess we just called it the jumping board. Interviewer: Jumping board Mm-hmm And a board on a 494: See-saw. Interviewer: {X} Aux: See-saw. 494: See-saw. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And uh {NW} Thing that you would blow on to make music. 494: Uh. Aux: French harp. 494: French harp. Interviewer: French harp. Or. 494: Harmonica. Aux: Jew's harp. Interviewer: Or between your teeth. 494: Jew's harp. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And uh did you refer to toys or little things like that as uh 494: Play pretties. Interviewer: Play pretties? 494: Mm-hmm. Aux: Play pretty. {NS} 494: I don't reckon I even knew toy is, was a word, it's play pretties. Interviewer: Play pretties, mm-hmm. How about uh When you went for a, or when you go fishing, what would you What would you go out in? On a creek or on a lake? Would you go on a lake or Aux: {D: go up the creek} 494: I didn't, I was scared to go out on a boat, but it is a boat. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh did they have rowboats? 494: Rowboats, uh-huh. Interviewer: And {NW} things horseshoes, you ever 494: Yeah, pitch horseshoes, pitch washers. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And how about, speaking of horseshoes, {NW} Did you watch uh blacksmiths work very much uh? 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Remember how they used to put horseshoes on? 494: Mm-hmm. Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: Uh. Tell me something about that. Do you have a recollection of it? 494: Well I just tell you that blacksmith was that leather apron on and you Aux: {X} 494: Yeah he backs, would back up, bring that horse's foot up between his knees and hold it. And it would just keep me the creeps to see him cutting off maybe part of that hoof. With a, what do you use, a rasp or something? Aux: A rasp, or you can use a knife. 494: I, I didn't like to watch it much because it hurt me to see him cut that off. I'm sure it wasn't hurting the horse but uh It's just like somebody squeaking on the black board, I can hardly stand it. And then when he took these nails and started driving 'em in that, that hurt too, so I just never watched him much, but I have, watched it. Interviewer: Watched it. And uh did you ever uh call a a game of horseshoes anything other than horseshoes? 494: No, I don't think I did, did you? Aux: Horseshoes on that, that's what we call it. Interviewer: And {NW} when you played tag, what would what was a place where you ran to get safe? 494: Home base. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Did you uh 494: I don't think we said home base, they just home. We'd say home free or. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh when when people uh play hide and seek, and you get behind a a bush or something, you say when I was, let's what? So they can't see us, let's 494: Squat? Interviewer: Squat down? 494: Well yes, squat, uh-huh. Interviewer: Reason I asked that is uh when men, who would get down like this and talk What was this called? 494: Squatting down. Interviewer: Squatting down? You ever hear hunker? 494: Yeah hunker, we heard that, hunker down. Interviewer: Is hunker {X} 494: Hunker down. Interviewer: {X} A uh child who who would tell things on other kids. 494: {D: shribs.} Interviewer: It'd be fibs, and what would the child be called? 494: A tattletale. Interviewer: Tattletale. {NW} And if you put your head down and rolled over, you were turning 494: Turn somersaults Interviewer: Or 494: Somersets. Interviewer: I was wondering 494: Somersets. Interviewer: You said somerset. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh-huh. When you- 494: That was the word then. Somerset. Interviewer: Some people call it somerset, or or tumbleset.} 494: Yeah. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: Somersault. 494: Well somersault is the word we know today, but back then it was somerset, uh-huh. Interviewer: And uh when you {X} be old enough uh to get interested in in boys and girls what uh what would this be uh 494: Courting. Interviewer: Known as. 494: Courting. Interviewer: Courting? 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 494: Sparking, as you mentioned the word a while ago, sparking. Interviewer: And uh you would refer to your 494: A feller. Interviewer: A feller? 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And he would refer to you as 494: I don't know. Sweetheart. {NW} I don't Interviewer: Sweetheart? 494: Beau? Uh Aux: I guess 494: Well a beau would be a feller. Interviewer: Uh-huh. How about uh What was kissing known as, did you have any uh names for that uh smooching or? 494: Yes, smooching. {NW} That was a good name. Interviewer: And uh did you ever go to a dance very much uh 494: Not too much no. We did some but my parents didn't allow that too much. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Look like I don't wanna In high school, I did some. Interviewer: What kind of dancing? 494: Just mostly uh when it wasn't square dancing it was just I think we call it round dancing and just waltzing and uh. Interviewer: We had a lot of square dancing. 494: Yeah. Now he did, he went to a lot of dances. Aux: A lot of square dances. We had a square dance somewhere {D: most of the weekend} {NW} Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: We just get somebody to get one, we go back and clean out the room. Have a square dance right there. Interviewer: I see. Uh did your parents uh frown on on a one kind of dance? 494: Well they just frowned on dancing period. Interviewer: I see. But it's interesting that uh You enjoyed uh square dance and yet you 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You kept from it. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: There was nothing about square dance as rowdy necessarily. Aux: No, it was just a lot of fun, it's just uh had somebody uh playing a fiddle, somebody picking a guitar and somebody calling {D: sets} and a bunch out there dancing. {NW} 494: I went to some after I started going with him. Oh. Course I was already graduated from high school and and as he said, I like it if they came in here for the dance that night, all this furniture would be moved out and the rug would be rolled up. Aux: Mm-hmm. 494: It'd just be the empty room. And the fiddlers would be over in one corner, guitar play- players in a Interviewer: You hope that you have a solid floor. 494: Yeah. Aux: Somebody calling the 494: But I just didn't go to any dances up until then. Interviewer: I see. And. {NW} If a uh. If a man were to escort you home what would he say, may I 494: Mm. I don't know because I went and came with him. {NW} Interviewer: I see. 494: What would. What'd you say if you Aux: Carry you home I guess. 494: I guess so, carry you home. Interviewer: Carry you home, mm-hmm. And if you had a, if he asked you to marry him, and you turned him down, people would say, well, she what? 494: Oh, what's that word. She {NW} Aw I can't even think of it jilted him. Interviewer: Jilted him? 494: Jilted him. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. I have a whole uh List of things. She gave him the sack. The gate. The axe. 494: Yeah. Aux: {X} Interviewer: Yeah uh-huh. And {NW} But if you accepted him then you say well I think next month we're gonna be Aux: Married? 494: Uh Engaged? Is that what Interviewer: Uh okay after you get engaged then 494: Married. Interviewer: Could it be married? 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Did you use any joking terms for married? 494: Hitched. I believe hitched to be the one. Interviewer: Uh-huh Aux: Hitched. Interviewer: During uh a wedding ceremony people who would uh stand up with you would be known as what? The man standing up there Aux: The best man. 494: Yeah, I know what they're called. Interviewer: Best man. 494: {NW} I don't know back then, what they'd be called your uh Interviewer: I'm wondering did you ever hear the term waiter? 494: No. Interviewer: Alright in some areas they, both the man and the girl stand 494: Were called waiters? Interviewer: Would be called waiters. 494: Well though I think they call 'em best man and maid of honor or just tendance Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} 494: Or witnesses. Yes they were called witnesses. Aux: Her, her, her sister um brother in law stood up for that. All the while I guess we called them witnesses 494: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: They didn't say marriage} Interviewer: And after a wedding somebody would, your friends may {X} 494: Shivaree 'em. Interviewer: Shivaree 'em? 494: Shivaree 'em. Aux: {NW} Interviewer: Do you remember those? 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Do they still happen or not? 494: I don't think they do that too much. Interviewer: Would you describe what went on in the shivaree? 494: Well there'd be a lot of practical jokes played and Some of them not too practical {NW} Aux: {D: You ride 'em on a rail} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 494: Just a lot of things. What is all in fun but sometimes it wasn't too funny either. Aux: Well, no one {X} their home, get the mat out and keep 'em separated the whole night. {NW} Interviewer: Uh. All kinds of uh Aux: All kinds of jokes. Interviewer: Noisy uh er parading around the 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: in the wagon? 494: That's right. Interviewer: And uh. It's curious uh 494: And that's boiled down now to just decorating the car, writing Interviewer: Yeah. 494: all over the car and tying toilet tissue all over it and tin cans and Interviewer: It's a funny thing, the uh This business of uh shivaree {X} or whatever. it's called. I don't find it in Mississippi at all. 494: Well. Interviewer: People just never did it. 494: Well it it was done here around here, but it's just died out. Aux: Back then when {X} they give you showers before, See they didn't ever give nobody no showers back then. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: But couples now just married they'll give 'em a shower. 494: Oh several showers or teas uh. Interviewer: The shivaree that I understand was not quite that 494: No it wasn't quite that. Aux: Shivaree wasn't 494: There were no gifts connected with a shivaree, that was just. {NS} Interviewer: And after uh the woman is married and uh she was gonna have a child you'd say she 494: Well you just didn't say, period. That was just, that was just something you didn't talk about. Interviewer: Suppose two women would be talking to each other. What would they say? 494: Oh I don't think, I think pregnant was a word that just wasn't used much, I think they'd use the term to have a baby, #1 maybe. # Interviewer: #2 Have a baby. # 494: I, I. It just wasn't talked about then. Interviewer: And who assisted with the birth? 494: Well I don't think we had many midwives around through here, it was We usually had the country doctor. Interviewer: Mm-hmm, did you ever hear of a granny? 494: Yes, I've heard of a granny. Aux: Didn't you have Yeah, I remember granny was, 494: I guess they were called grannies instead of midwives. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh {NW} A mother makes a uh that she has had three children, and she she reared them, she raised them up, she what? 494: She raised them. Interviewer: She raised them. And if a child resembles uh Say the boy resembles his father and the girl resembles his uh her, her mother. 494: They favor. Interviewer: They favor? 494: They favor their dad or they favor the mother. Interviewer: The appearance, right? 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Suppose the uh father is very moody and the child turns out very moody, you say he. 494: Takes after his father, takes after his father. Interviewer: And disposition. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And {NW} How were children referred to? Would you say kids very much? 494: I don't think we used the term kids like we do today. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Uh and it was No, I don't think we use the term kids today like we did oh, say twenty years ago. Seems like we say children more now. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Than we used to. Now I know I do. But I don't think back when I was growing up, I don't think we were called kids. Interviewer: What were you? 494: I think we were called children. Interviewer: Children? 494: And then those appeared in there that we did use the word kids. But I think now we're going back to children. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And did you ever hear the word passel? 494: Uh-uh. Interviewer: And the whole passel. 494: Oh yes, yes, a whole passel of kids. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 494: A whole passel of children or something. Interviewer: And the child is named 494: after his Interviewer: after 494: father of after his mother. Interviewer: And the child whose parents are not married? 494: Was uh Uh. Bastard? I think that's what it was, it wasn't illegitimate. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. That was a too big of a name I mean we We people out in this area was just Did you ever hear a {X}? 494: Yeah, I, that's the word I've been trying to think of, mm-hmm. Interviewer: And if the parent, if the child's parents both died, he would be known as 494: An orphan Interviewer: And the person taking care of him? Appointed to take care of him 494: Foster parent. Interviewer: Would they say foster? 494: Uh well I think so. Interviewer: Or if a court would appoint the somebody to look after him 494: Guardian? Interviewer: Guardian. 494: Guardian. {D: Guardian.} {D: I think that's the way it was pronounced, guardian.} Interviewer: And a baby might be put in something so that you could Well, in in town at least 494: Push him? Interviewer: Push him uh what {X} 494: Well we called it a baby buggy. Interviewer: And you'd {NW} go push the baby or 494: Or in a stroller. They would call it a stroller sometimes. Interviewer: Push him or wheel the baby or roll the baby or? 494: Uh. Push him I think. Interviewer: Push him? 494: Push him. Interviewer: Put the baby on the floor, just 494: Crawl. Interviewer: Crawl? 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And uh Anything I'd like to ask you uh some questions about some different parts of the body and anything that comes to mind that you used to say, just take your time. Uh for example. You remember what this was called? 494: Uh Goozle. {NW} Interviewer: I just like it when 494: Yeah goozle. Interviewer: see what comes to mind. This part 494: {D: Furried} Or brow. Interviewer: Uh-huh, and uh This stuff, anything, that I don't have much of? 494: Uh well hair. Uh. Interviewer: And could you grow a 494: beard? Interviewer: And 494: Whiskers? Interviewer: This would be which? This would be which. 494: Your, your ear. Interviewer: Which one? 494: Oh, your right ear? Interviewer: Right here? 494: Your right year, left ear uh-huh. Interviewer: And uh The goozle is just here, but this would be the The whole thing would be 494: Your throat. Neck. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And uh {NW} This part 494: Your mouth. Interviewer: And 494: Teeth Interviewer: Above your teeth would be 494: Your lip Uh Interviewer: And inside, above 494: Oh, the the roof of your mouth. Interviewer: And the thing that the, the stuff, the teeth are fixed in? 494: Your gums. Interviewer: And this part. 494: The palm of your hand. Interviewer: And what are these? 494: Fists. Interviewer: And two. 494: Two fist. Interviewer: And uh this part. 494: Your wrist. Interviewer: And {NW} All things in the body that are fixed like this are called your 494: Joints. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And this part of a male. 494: Is a chest. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh one 494: Hand. Interviewer: But two 494: Hands. Interviewer: And {NW} This entire 494: Thigh. Interviewer: Okay and from here to here, the whole. 494: Leg. Interviewer: Now did they say leg? 494: No. Said limb. Interviewer: Limb. 494: {NW} It was improper to say leg. Interviewer: Okay any of those uh observations I appreciate. And one 494: Foot. Interviewer: But two 494: Feet. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And this part, what was this part where you don't like 494: Your shin. Interviewer: Kicked. Uh-huh. Aux: Shin. Interviewer: Um. That's interesting in part because some people call the shank. 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Other people refer to the shank as this part. 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And {NW} Well I guess that's uh How are you doing, I don't wanna, I 494: Fine Interviewer: I'm enjoying myself. 494: I am too. {NW} Interviewer: I uh Well, I'm welcome here, When, when you were uh 494: Would you like a cup of coffee? Interviewer: {NW} 494: Uh, he, he'll uh put our glass of tea which ever one Interviewer: I wanna tell you I I don't know what's wrong with this throat of mine today, it's uh I think that the change in the weather dried it out. {NW} I've been sitting here 494: He'll go put the coffee pot on if you uh #1 if you'd rather have that or, # Aux: #2 Don't mind, I'll make you that # 494: we'll make you a glass of tea either one. Interviewer: Well tea would be fine. 494: Okay. You all picked tea {X} Aux: Yeah I think Interviewer: Thank you very much. 494: Do you like sugar and lemon in your tea? Interviewer: Um. 494: We, we drink it just straight I mean, as we say. Interviewer: That's the way I like it too. 494: {NW} Interviewer: {NW} I apologize for this uh throat of mine, I, I think the the change {NW} from warm moist 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Air 494: Probably is. Interviewer: Dried it out. {NW} If uh somebody had been quite will and then during the night you say suddenly 494: Sick. Interviewer: {X} Suddenly he what? Uh 494: Well he suddenly got sick. Interviewer: Got sick? 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And {NW} The response to somebody saying How are you? And you might say well Like today we always say just fine. 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: But I wonder how people used to respond. 494: Well. My mother always taught me to say uh Fine, thank you. Because nobody wants to hear about anybody feeling bad she said don't ever go into a lot of detail, oh I've got a headache today or something like that she said People don't, so they don't really mean it when they ask you How are you? It's, it's just a term that they use you know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 494: When they, when they meet you or greet you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: And she said don't ever go into detail say oh I'm sick or been sick, just say well I'm feeling very well thank you. And she always used the term, Well I'm as usual. And we wondered we wondered about that a lot of times Interviewer: That's interesting. 494: I'm, I'm, I'm as usual. Interviewer: I'm as usual. 494: So we wondered what usual was. Interviewer: Uh-huh. That's interesting uh 494: I'm about as usual thank you or something like that. Interviewer: And if uh somebody seems to be {NW} troubled about something, you say well, uh #1 {X} # 494: #2 Go down in the dumps. # Interviewer: Don't uh, it'll be okay don't don't what? 494: Don't fret about it. Interviewer: Fret. Mm-hmm. And uh the things that people smoked pipes and 494: My daddy smoked pipe corn cob pipe. Interviewer: Did uh you remember cigars and cigarettes? 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Uh. In what context or how did they 494: Well uh my dad never did smoke Now he smoked a few cigars, but he never did smoke cigarette. He smoked pipe. Up until he laid it down one day and quit. Interviewer: Is that right? 494: Now Ezri smoked cigarettes. When we first met he rolled his own. He bought the tobacco and the cigarette papers and made his own cigarettes. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Because we couldn't afford to the ready-rolled. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: And then in later years course he he smoked the ready-rolled. And then he laid them down one day and took up cigars. And then he laid them down one day and he hasn't smoked, it's been about oh, nine or ten years ago. Interviewer: Good for him. 494: Now he doesn't smoke it at all now. Interviewer: It's a hard thing to do. {NW} And if somebody uh uh just couldn't hear a thing, you'd say well he's 494: He's deaf. {NW} Wasn't death cause he's deaf. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And if uh somebody came home from war. And had a had been uh shot. You say well he's still, there's a 494: Oh. Well what is it. Interviewer: Or or he's still Well let let's say he's what in the war? 494: Wounded in the war. Interviewer: And the thing that he has as a result of being wounded is? 494: Uh-huh, scars I guess, he still has scars. Interviewer: Or, or a wound. 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You ever hear, did you happen to remember anybody saying wound? {C: pronunciation} 494: Yes. Interviewer: Is that right? He he has a 494: A few people have used that. Interviewer: He has a wound. {NS} 494: I think that he said he takes it plain Ezri Aux: If you want to sweeten it Interviewer: Thank you very much. Aux: You don't sweeten no things. Interviewer: Thank you. Aux: You want that? 494: No, baby, leave the napkin with him. Aux: Yeah, take the napkin. Interviewer: Thank you. 494: We have some lemon pound cake, would you like a piece of that? Interviewer: Well this will help {NS} Sound like an old frog. {NW} 494: I think he's fixing up a cup of coffee with you He drinks coffee quite a bit. {NS} Aux: Would you eat a piece of this cake? Interviewer: Well thanks, I I believe this is uh this will be fine. uh {NW} Say you have a wound and it turns uh oh yellowish around, you have to clean that away, what is 494: It's called puss. Wasn't it? That wound, Interviewer: Flesh around. 494: Proud flesh. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Proud flesh. Interviewer: And you remember using anything uh to put on or scratch or get 494: Oh yes we had some salve uh we would {D: Watkin Salve} that we'd put on. Scratch. Interviewer: Did you have anything that was pink or? 494: Iodine. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 494: That was before the days of Mercurochrome and {D: mercreation} and merthiolate and so forth. We used iodine. Interviewer: Uh that's really dangerous. As a matter of fact it could burn uh couldn't it? And uh if you have a pimple the grows very large and sore that would be a 494: Uh, a boil. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Mm-hmm, mm-mm. I didn't want any, uh-uh. Interviewer: And uh the stuff in a blister would be 494: Water in a blister, mm-hmm. Interviewer: And a thing that {NW} we call arthritis now but 494: Rheumatism Interviewer: {D: Rheumatis} You remember children getting something in their throats uh. Choked them to death? 494: Oh, diphtheria. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And what would turn you your skin yellow, your eyes 494: Uh jaundice. Yellow jaundice. Interviewer: And uh what {NW} When you eat something, uh not feel so good you say well he's 494: Sick of his stomach. Interviewer: And if he throw it up 494: He uh upchucks. {NW} Interviewer: Uh what. 494: Throws up. That was the name, throws up. Interviewer: They, do you remember any joking terms they might say? 494: No do you? Aux: Uh of throwing up? 494: Uh-huh. Aux: We call it puking. 494: Oh yeah, yeah, puking. Uh he's thrown up his socks. Interviewer: I see. 494: Yeah, throwing up his socks. Interviewer: I see. And uh when you get uh pain on the right side. 494: Appendicitis. Interviewer: Appendicitis. Did they call it appendicitis in your childhood? 494: I think they did but I believe they didn't know too much Aux: To do for it. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And uh if somebody uh, has a cold, you say well, where did you 494: Get that bad cold. Where did you catch that cold? Interviewer: And if it makes him affects him here he's 494: Hoarse. Interviewer: And if he gets, gets it down here he has to, what? 494: Uh cough it up, is that what you mean? Interviewer: And {NW} If his throat gets so sore that he can't swallow you say well he just, his throat's so sore he just can't 494: Swallow. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Remember anything uh any other terms that come to mind? I hope I'm not going too fast here. 494: No you're not um I'm I'm sure that I've there's another term that comes to mind but I just can't think. Uh Interviewer: If he has a heavy cold, what kind of medicine did you use to take? For it? 494: Well we used to have a lot of remedies, sometimes uh A hot toddy You know what a hot toddy was? Aux: {NW} Interviewer: Uh. 494: A little bit of whiskey and a little bit of sugar or honey a little bit of water and heat that and or sometimes you wouldn't heat it. Interviewer: The only thing is, surprising me here is how did you have a hot toddy in a Methodist family? 494: Well, they usually kept, they usually kept a little for such as that. That was all it was kept for. Interviewer: It's the emergency is that right? 494: And I'll tell you something else, my mother was a, she She didn't want any around, my daddy was the one that mostly fixed up these hot toddies for us. And uh she had told us time and time again and in the years since and she lived here with us in this house with us, she died two years ago at the age of ninety-one. And she has told me time and time again, said if I ever get uh where I don't know anything, she said don't ever let anybody pour any whiskey down my throat. uh but she got choking in here, a lot of flame and someone told us that uh to give her a little whiskey and honey and that would clear that up. And she was taking it. My, my, my daughter was sitting there feeding it to her by the spoon and it was, you could tell it was kinda just clearing her up in here. And my other sister was sitting next to her, what's that you're giving her? And Jenny said it's a little whiskey and sugar mixed together and mama clamped her teeth together, she wouldn't take another sip. Interviewer: Is that right? Um 494: She was that much against it. Interviewer: I had talked to a fellow who had emphysema and uh he as a Baptist. And he had some medicine which was helping him. But he decided there was some alcohol in it He wouldn't take it, and it really 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: His breathing was was very difficult. 494: Well now I'm, I'm against uh drinking but I think uh for medicinal purposes I think yes, it's alright. Interviewer: It is medicine. 494: It is medicine. Interviewer: Did you ever take any uh thing Did you ever have like malaria around? 494: Yes and I start to tell you while I go and I was talking about the coffee. Uh that was when I was allowed to take coffee, my daddy gave me quinine. I had malaria one summer and he put quinine in sweetened coffee. And I would uh drink it. Interviewer: Mm. 494: All I see- the quinine, he had two cups, the quinine was put in a little bit of coffee in one cup and I got a little sweetened coffee to drink after it take the bitter taste out of my mouth. Aux: You take that and he give you a little bit of coffee. 494: Yeah. Aux: You take the quinine and he give you a little coffee. Interviewer: I see. I see. 494: And that's the way I took quinine. Interviewer: Did that uh have an effect on you as you uh Did you have chose that and 494: Oh yes, I had chills. Interviewer: And you got to bed and 494: Uh-huh, I'd go to bed and Interviewer: What exactly was the effect of the quinine on the 494: Well it's supposed to break it up and I guess it did cause I finally got better. But I'd have chills and high fevers and I'd be up at the top of the hill and I'd roll and I could just feel myself rolling down the more I rolled the bigger I became and I was a terrible feeling. Interviewer: And then the quinine would make you sweat? 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And you'd 494: Supposed to sweat the malaria out. ` Interviewer: And uh some terms about uh death {NS} We'll get off this morbid {NW} but uh at what, what was a polite way of what was a polite way and what was a joking way of referring to death? 494: Uh The polite way, they didn't like to say a person died. And you know I don't I don't think that they do today. It was they passed away. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And if you didn't like somebody {NW} what would you say uh I hear old so-and-so 494: Old so-and-so died, old so-and-so croaked or kicked the bucket. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And uh You'd put the body in a in a what? 494: Casket. Interviewer: Casket. 494: Coffin, coffin. Interviewer: You think, so caskets are a more recent thing? 494: Uh-huh. Aux: We called them back then. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And then each the family would uh go in to 494: Uh view the body. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And they would they would be considered to be in 494: Mourning. Aux: Back then, they'd set up one, mighty calm, they wouldn't have- 494: And they call it laying 'em out. Interviewer: Oh laying 'em out. 494: Laying 'em out. Aux: And then the people uh friends and neighbors show up with 'em that night. All night long. 494: And there was such thing as the undertaker coming and taking the body. Aux: To a funeral 494: Away. The friends and neighbors would come in and and uh The women neighbors would wash, bathe and dress and lay out uh a woman that had died. And the men neighbors would do the same for a man that had died, and you call that laying 'em out. Aux: Mostly back then, a lot of people do and let 'em be embalmed, of course there wasn't much embalming done. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: I think it's mostly laying 'em out, that's it. 494: And you set up all night maybe two nights. Interviewer: I was gonna ask how long did they keep the body there. Aux: Embalming would be too much. Interviewer: Uh. Do you remember anything associated with that, such as hounds? 494: Mm-hmm hounds, howling, yes. Interviewer: That's uh. Aux: We shut the {X} one night and uh cats got in the house and got on the casket and I thought they was going to get into that wagon cause they had a. {X} 494: You mean it had that lace. {X} Interviewer: Did you ever hear using {X} on the face 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: To uh to do something as to keep the skin I guess from scarring. 494: I guess so. Aux: I know they used to put 494: Pen- nickels on the eyes Aux: To hold the eyes. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh {NW} after well they, they would take the body from the home into the church. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And uh Aux: {X} Interviewer: I see. And was it called a uh Did they take- 494: Funeral, uh-huh. Interviewer: Funeral service. 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And then to the to the 494: Graveyard. Interviewer: Graveyard. And uh 494: Cemetery is a name is a word that has come into being. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Uh. Not too many years back, it was the graveyard. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh Aux: {X} say graveyard 494: Uh-huh. Aux: I hear people still say graveyard. Interviewer: Is there like a term like undertaker isn't used very much anymore either. 494: Mortician. Interviewer: More elegant. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And if. If you uh. Some questions on personality and character. Uh somebody who is a young man who can lift a great deal you say he's mighty 494: Hefty. Interviewer: Hefty and uh someone who has been working very hard and say well I'm I sure am what? 494: Tired. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Any {NW} Any more uh {NW} #1 any stronger terms than that uh # 494: #2 Oh # Interviewer: come to mind? You say he's all 494: All in. Interviewer: All in. 494: All in. {NW} Interviewer: And if somebody's been sick you say yes he's out, but he sure looks mighty 494: Bad. Interviewer: Uh-huh, you ever hear peaked? 494: Peaked. Uh-huh. That's the word, peaked. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And a young boy who's all arms and legs you say he's 494: Lanky. Gonky. {NW} Interviewer: And if a young woman is full of life and say well she's mighty 494: Uh, perked. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And if and older person, say say somebody in his eighties gets around very well you say well he sure is mighty 494: Spry. Interviewer: Or you say he's uh and {NW} if somebody is very easy to get along with you saw well he's uh 494: Oh gentle and likable. {NS} Interviewer: Uh When curious about his Are there different terms you might say apply to a man and to to a horse? Uh If a man is say he's gentle or good natured, what would you say about a horse? 494: Well you'd say the horse is gentle and good natured. Interviewer: Alright. 494: Uh-huh. Aux: And wild. {X} Interviewer: It applies too. Uh Somebody's very sure of himself and uh you can't change his mind you saw well he's 494: He's set in his ways. Interviewer: Set in his ways. And if somebody's easily hurt and gets angry. and very sensitive uh say he's mighty 494: Touchy. Interviewer: Touchy? Mm-hmm. Did you ever hear touches? 494: Touches? Interviewer: Yes. 494: Yes, I guess that, I guess touchy is short from touches maybe. Yeah touches is a word I've heard a lot. Interviewer: You would use touchy. 494: I guess so. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh {NW} Somebody, you're kidding him and he gets 494: Mad. Interviewer: Yeah gets all 494: Upset. Interviewer: You say now now, just keep 494: Calm. Interviewer: Keep calm alright. If a 494: Calm down. {NW} Interviewer: If somebody uh leaves a lot of money on the table and the door unlocked, you say well he's he's mighty 494: Oh Oh Careless. Interviewer: Careless, as, what was it, if she doesn't keep her house very tidy? 494: Well she's sloppy and uh Interviewer: Sloppy? Uh-huh. And uh If you know somebody who uh lives off to himself. You say well he's alright he's just a little 494: Uh he's just a little touched or he's {X} or a hermit or Interviewer: Do people uh ever use the word queer? 494: Queer #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 Quire? # 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh which would they say 494: Queer. Interviewer: Queer. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh Is that a pretty bad word or 494: Well I guess it is because it means that they are kinda like funny or Interviewer: I was wondering how insulting that is uh. Uh. I mean I have been given some very strong responses to that. Aux: Queer? Interviewer: Yes, I wouldn't {NW} ever want that you know {D: some of our opinions on} Some people are In some areas, it's a very strong word I guess. 494: I expect it is. Interviewer: And uh if somebody {NW} worries a lot You say well she's very 'un- 494: Unstable or or uh Interviewer: She worries to be so uneasy. 494: Uneasy, uh-huh. Interviewer: And how about the word common? How is this word, how is this word used? Or it used to be. 494: Well, I believe that word would would go back when I was talking about uh my parents wouldn't let me take nurse's training. I think common is a word that would fit in I think it was a word that was uh what people, if they were common, they weren't held in very high esteem. They were just common. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And that's, it's a curious word isn't it because now {NW} sometimes the best you can say about a man is well They got a lot of money but they're just common folks. 494: Yeah, uh-huh now that way would be uh that term would be uh well a complementary term to them. Interviewer: Would you use it as as you mean a 494: They're just common folks. Like you and me, yes I've used it a lot. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Don't, you mean worry about those folks, they're just common folks like, like us. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: That means they're not uh Aux: They don't. 494: Well. Aux: They don't let their money uh 494: Yeah. Aux: Get 'em. In other words. Interviewer: But if you say well she's I'd rather have you say it so I can 494: Well uh Now I can I can remember back in the back of my mind. If there was a person that wasn't very her character was kindly wasn't too good. that person would be called a common person. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: But now we've got too, two many different meanings there for a same word. Interviewer: The same word and one is very strongly 494: And then opposite that's right. Interviewer: Very negative. 494: You don't hear, I don't think you hear that today. Like, like this term back then, she's just a common person you know, like if she, her character wasn't very good. I think you hear it more nowadays That, that it's just common folks like us Interviewer: Or a compliment. 494: I think it's more of a compliment now. Interviewer: It's it's curious how uh how those things change and you 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Uh. Makes a world of difference which way you uh which way you mean it. {NW} work with it. Major denominations, Protestants uh here 494: We have uh and have had for as long as I can remember the Methodist and the Baptist the Cumberland Presbyterians and the Church of Christ. Right in this area. and Then yonder closer to where that bridge is washed out or fell in We have the seven day adventist And they've been there a long time. But when I was growing up that was a far piece away down there. Interviewer: The Cumberland Presbyterians are 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Is that a branch of uh 494: The Presbyterian church. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Uh I wonder what is more uh {D: more straight place or uh} 494: Uh No I don't believe it is, I believe it's I don't believe it's as straight laced as just the regular Presbyterians. Interviewer: And uh would you tell me something about going to church uh what different things you had, did you have music and 494: Yes we have course, as Methodists we have music in our church. And uh we used to go in a wagon and uh you never knew who was going home with you for dinner or who you was going home with now it was one way or the other. And the dinner was cooked before you went. And how, how the mothers got up and got the dinner cooked and the house cleaned up and the children dressed and got the wagon and went to church when it took you longer than five minutes to get the car and drive out there. I don't know. But the Aux: But then on Sunday morning you like to get up and leave by four oh clock, five. 494: This day and time we we just don't cook much on Sundays and Sure don't invite people home with us much however I did ask our preacher and his mother and dad home with us one day but they had another engagement so they couldn't come but uh. I don't know if people just don't ask the preacher home with 'em anymore much. But uh Interviewer: How about uh {NW} How would you go about uh becoming a member? of the church? 494: Well you uh Well the men uh the Methodist church we go on profession of faith and then we are sprinkled as we become members of the church You know, that we're taken into the church. Interviewer: You say taken in or join or? 494: Join, join the church, I believe that's what we do, we join the church. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And uh the sermon is always uh uh can anybody other than the preacher 494: Oh yes. Interviewer: preach it? 494: Yes. Mm-hmm. We have Layman we have lay speakers uh every once in a while. Interviewer: A lay speaker can preach? 494: Yes. Interviewer: Regularly? 494: Mm-hmm. Even, even I could if if uh I mean it would be permissible at a Methodist church for me to get up and I don't think it'd be called, I don't think I'd be preaching a sermon, I think it would be Uh Making a talk or something like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And {NW} How about the music uh Did you, what kind of music did you have when you were a girl especially uh 494: We had the piano, that's all we've ever had at church, just the piano. Aux: We had an organ in ours first. 494: Oh yes, we did, way back yonder an old pump organ. I've forgotten about that. {X} Yeah. Interviewer: {X} 494: Mm-hmm. Aux: Well we had it in my 494: We did too out here in our, our church. Aux: We had the one at church. {NS} Interviewer: And uh Would uh Would you complement the pianist or choir or say that the music was beautiful or 494: Oh yes uh-huh we'd say that the music sounded pretty this morning, I believe that would be the word, music sounded pretty this morning. Interviewer: Beautiful was too strong of a 494: I guess it was, we we used the word pretty more than Interviewer: And uh how did you contribute to the church? 494: Uh by Interviewer: What is that known as? 494: Contributions Offerings. Interviewer: Rather than 494: passing the plate Yes rather than dues, we don't have dues. Interviewer: And uh how {NS} people, how did you refer to the devil in those days uh? 494: Uh just the devil. {NW} Interviewer: Any any joking terms? 494: Uh the boogerman Interviewer: Boogerman? 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {NW} Scaring children by 494: Yes, the boogerman. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And how about the places that were thought to be well had spirits or something in them? houses. 494: Oh ghost houses you mean or? Interviewer: Just how are you 494: Uh, h- haunted houses, hainted. Hainted houses. {NW} Aux: We call 'em haints. 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And {NW} were were haints uh from the devil or were they thought to be associated with the devil? 494: Well when I was a child I didn't know where they came from I just scared to death by them. I guess they were thought to be Interviewer: Evil? 494: Evil. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And going to town uh Did you have, would you name the different kinds of things that you would have in the town? {NS} When you were a child say uh? Start with uh have a post office uh 494: Post office and the bank And uh Interviewer: How about a place for books? 494: Uh we didn't have one in town then. And uh we had the grocery store. The general store what it was you know, for merchandise. Interviewer: And uh how how is a library financed uh? here in 494: Well we had a grant from the University of Tennessee that uh we have uh the regional libraries at Martin University of Tennessee at Martin. And we have a bookmobile that comes out of there about Interviewer: Oh I see. 494: Every so often and uh brings books out to the little station out here. In the little village of Alebridge. And other spots all over the county. Interviewer: We were talking if I can interrupt you {X} Uh we were talking about how our experiences are getting standardized all over the country and the funny thing that Mississippi noticed is that there's a lot of money being put into libraries. Tremendous buildings really very handsome. But the curious thing is they, in every community I've been in they will hire the librarian from some place else. Aux: Hmm. 494: Well. Interviewer: And the state board orders the books. So uh the regional flavor is gone. 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: They, they have local people as assistants. But they, the librarian I go to libraries to find out uh history of the community. Time after time the librarian will be from Vermont or Oklahoma or 494: Well. Interviewer: Pennsylvania 494: Did you go by uh library in Union City when you were up there? We have a nice library in Union City. Of course we're, we are Interviewer: But actually uh {X} 494: {D: Stires} Interviewer: {X} I believe she's from here. 494: I think she's somewhere over in Weakley county Martin now where her home originally was, I remember that Does her husband teach at the University of Tennessee? Interviewer: I didn't get to know her 494: I I don't remember But I think her home is Interviewer: Her home is beautiful uh and she was very helpful she sent me to uh 494: But know she's just recently not too many uh just a year or two ago now we did have a local lady as the librarian and she lives there in Union City. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: And she's been librarian for years but she got new held And she wanted to retire. As librarian, she's assistant librarian now she stepped down. Interviewer: I see. 494: She still goes in and works with this {D: Miss Stires} was appointed librarian then. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. They uh That's a very handsome building certainly so. 494: Of course we're privileged to uh go there and check out books too. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: As well as our little uh community. Interviewer: {X} Real help Did you remember uh anything about railroad stations or 494: Oh yes it was a treat to get to go by and watch choo-choo trains come through. {NW} Interviewer: And uh Uh When you When you were young where was the county seat? 494: Uh Union City. Interviewer: It's always been. 494: Now it used to be Troy But uh, Do you remember Troy? Interviewer: I went through there. 494: Well, it used to be Troy but I don't know what year it was that it was moved all to Union City but I was too little Aux: The kind of seat on the county that they wouldn't let they wouldn't let a railroad go through there. 494: Through the railroads off west. Interviewer: I see. Aux: And that's how come Troy lose their count, county seat, cause they wanted a railroad company. They moved it to Union City. Interviewer: City really grew. 494: And there's been Aux: Union City {X} 494: There's been hard feelings down through the years. Aux: Always had always will. 494: And always will be over that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Between the Troy people and Union City. Interviewer: Yes, geographically Aux: It's right in the center by the county. Interviewer: That sure is a small place now compared to Union 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Union City. Uh, hotels or anything about uh 494: I don't remember too much about hotels uh Interviewer: Or going to plays uh 494: No. Interviewer: Do you have anything like a opera house or 494: Probably had one in Union City, but that was a fur piece away. {NW} Interviewer: And hospitals? How about uh 494: No we didn't have hospitals. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} Interviewer: And when you would go to uh town Say you bought so much that uh You could hardly what? it home. 494: Tote it. Interviewer: Tote it home? 494: Hardly tote it home. Interviewer: Uh-huh. And if the merchant sold it uh. For a surprisingly low price, you say well he He sold, he must have sold that at a 494: Uh. what I can't remember #1 the word. # Interviewer: #2 You say low # cost or at a loss? Aux: Margin or cheap. Interviewer: At a loss? 494: I guess so. Interviewer: And on the other hand if uh you go bargain for something and it's so high you say oh no that costs 494: Costs too much and you try to uh Jew 'em down, jew 'em down Interviewer: Uh-huh. And if you don't have enough money You might go to somebody and 494: Get credit. Interviewer: Get credit. 494: Buy it on credit. Interviewer: Or. You might go to somebody else and actually If you couldn't get credit from the grocery you. 494: Borrow some money is that what, want huh? Interviewer: And say well, could I have some money because It's awfully, what these days? 494: Hard to live these days {NW} Interviewer: Or money might be very 494: Short. Interviewer: Short? 494: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Scarce? Uh one of the things I I find is that if somebody might pay a bill twice a year, and when he does, it's be a pretty good sized bill. 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Uh the grocer might give you something 494: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And what was that known as, or what uh? 494: Oh. Interviewer: When you pay his bill {NS} 494: What was that? {X} 494: No Interviewer: {X} {C: Distorted, sped up} 494: No Interviewer: Something like that? {C: Distorted, sped up} 494: Well Interviewer: {X} {C: Distorted, sped up} {NW} {C: Distorted, sped up} 494: But that did happen when you pay off your bill, your grocer Interviewer: How much would they give you? Uh {C: Distorted, sped up} 494: Go in there and get a pitcher Aux: {X} {C: Distorted, sped up} Alright, my dad used to get one. {C: Distorted, sped up} 494: This is, this is an heirloom we treasure it. Interviewer: Well that's 494: I hope it's not too dusty. {NS} Interviewer: That would be uh Uh if 494: This is what he gave when Interviewer: I see. 494: When his uh Aux: That was on the bottom of it. 494: Turn it over and see down the bottom. Interviewer: {D: Sanders} in gold. Yes, well how much, how big of a bill would uh Aux: I don't know how much it. Interviewer: Would it take 494: People usually uh he, it was a country store. And people would usually uh pay off in the fall when they sold their crops. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: I tell you there's a lot of people who didn't pay off too. Aux: {X} Interviewer: So if they get up a hundred dollars, this would, this would be uh Uh-huh. Yeah, this is handsome. Uh There's a Aux: I wouldn't mind if uh He'd give that to me, he lived in a Gary. Gary Indiana. {X} Moved back here to Troy. And then we were uh packing up to move. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} Interviewer: Well that's really something to hold on to. Your father's name right? You can tell, this, this must have cost something because {X} 494: That probably didn't back then cost too much but it'd be worth something now. Aux: {X} 494: There's another expression that uh We didn't use go to the store as shopping. We'd say go trading. Interviewer: Trading. 494: Mm-hmm. I've got to go to town to trade. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: And uh, and it wouldn't be that we're trading. Well I guess where the term came in because people might carry some eggs. Or something and trade for the groceries. And then it just came on down to just the term trade, I got to go do my trading. Interviewer: Uh suppose somebody uh was known. To be pretty close with his money, you say he's an old. 494: Miser Interviewer: Miser And uh 494: He's an old tightwad. {NW} I believe that was it, tightwad. Interviewer: If uh Is there a difference you say uh He'll pay you pretty well but uh you'll have to 494: Uh. {X} Interviewer: I see the ideas. {NW} Is there a difference between miser and a tightwad uh? Aux: Well a miser. 494: Yeah I guess so, yeah the miser holds on, and the tightwad he he he he will Interviewer: Hard to get out. 494: Yeah he's just hard to get out. Interviewer: {NW} And uh Did you, you say, you mention paper bags, would you um Find a dress? Uh how would a dress be prepared for you to take home? 494: Oh. You'd buy the yard goods. Interviewer: Or a ready made dress or a a suit or something? Would they have a wrap? Would they have paper? 494: I really don't know because of. We weren't fortunate enough I think to ever buy any ready made. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 494: Now you might, did you? Interviewer: Did you have paper for uh Aux: I guess we did uh As far back as I can remember. 494: And I guess when my dad bought. Pants and overalls and things like that ready made, they they were wrapped up, they weren't put in a bag like, paper bag like our suit box anything like they do today. There He would roll off a big sheet of paper and put it in there and wrap it up tight.