Interviewer: {X} bullets um? 494: Yeah I see what you mean now. Cartridge wasn't it? #1 What we said # Auxiliary: #2 {D: well} # 494: I think that we called it bullets. Auxiliary: mm-hmm Interviewer: uh-huh 494: Bullets and shells. Auxiliary: {X} two cartridges and and we poured it into a shotgun it'd be shotgun shells. Interviewer: mm 494: mm-hmm. Auxiliary: There's only twenty-two cartridges for a twenty-two you know? Interviewer: mm-hmm And {NW} A uh you remember any homemade tools to pound nails with um with do any pounding with uh sometimes made out of wood? 494: Oh uh well seems like I do but I don't know what they were called. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: A mallet. Interviewer: #1 A mallet? # 494: #2 A mallet # that's what it was. Interviewer: And {NW} how big was the was the end uh? 494: Well different sizes for different jobs if you wanted to pound a a stake in out in the ground you'd have a big mallet. Interviewer: #1 Uh they {X}? # 494: #2 Uh-huh. # Auxiliary: Uh-huh Interviewer: If you ever h- how when was it that you remember a sledge uh but then you {D: had} In other words when you were young you used wooden mallets {X} stakes in? 494: Oh well I I think we had sledges when I was a girl growing up too iro- you know the iron. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: But I do remember something about the wooden mallets. Interviewer: mm-hmm And uh hey {NW} can you remember about uh hammers in general? 494: #1 No just just hammers # Interviewer: #2 {D: ham-} # 494: #1 {C: laughs} claw hammers and ball pa- ball peen hammers. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: #1 Ball peen hammers. # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh # And how bout the fences that uh were built {X}? 494: they were um rail fences Interviewer: mm-hmm mm-kay 494: We used to have some of them. Interviewer: Did you ever hear of 'em called worm 494: huh-uh Interviewer: fences? 494: mm-mm Interviewer: And how bout uh did you use any uh rock or stone here for fences? 494: No. Interviewer: And when was the first wire that you remember? 494: Well I u- {NW} {X} we had rail fences and wire fences Auxiliary: Both. 494: both. Interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # 494: #2 At the # same time when I was a girl. Interviewer: {D: wire} um 494: Well it was the #1 wire {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} wire. # 494: wire like we got today. Interviewer: {X} 494: And then barbed wire across the top of that on the post. Interviewer: Did you uh what kind of a fence would you put around the garden? 494: Well it was a higher fence it was a six foot wire. Auxiliary: {X} 494: #1 {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # #1 {X} # 494: #2 uh-huh # Keep the chickens out. Auxiliary: {X} Interviewer: uh-huh Did you have any wooden fences maybe around the yard or that uh {X}? 494: Yes I I know what you're talking bout now we'd I don't think we had any of those now we had a little uh I- I remember a little picket fence somewhere. I don't know where it was but I I remember a picket fence in my life somewhere. Interviewer: uh-huh So {NW} if you do remember it as a #1 picket fence rather than # 494: #2 uh-huh # Interviewer: #1 a pailing fence? # 494: #2 mm-hmm # mm-hmm Auxiliary: {X} uh Interviewer: Some 494: Well I've heard it was called pailing fence too. Interviewer: mm-hmm Mississippi they {D: center} #1 to call 'em {D: palings} uh-huh # 494: #2 palings uh-huh. # Interviewer: always. 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: And {NW} they fact somebody told me an interesting thing they they would cut the wedge into slices and then so the chickens couldn't uh fly out 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: their footing. Auxiliary: mm-hmm Interviewer: #1 Uh I don't know that that's the case here. # 494: #2 Well it m- # It probably is. Interviewer: Some {X}. 494: Seem to me like we had a pailing fence around our chicken yard I believe that's what it was. Interviewer: And you did you you {D: have to remember these uh} paling or picket? 494: Pailing. Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 494: #2 {D: That} was paling. # Interviewer: mm 494: The picket was all was considered old white fence like around a fire garden or something. Auxiliary: Oh it's much smaller. 494: Much smaller. Interviewer: I see. And uh {NW} different kinds of lands now uh do you remember #1 clearing {D: have you ever had} # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 clearing land? # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Call new ground. Interviewer: New ground? And how would uh suppose it was bottomland what would that be? 494: That'd be swamp land. Interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # Auxiliary: #2 # Interviewer: How would they get the water off uh? 494: Drain it dredge ditch. Interviewer: uh-huh And the difference between a swamp and a marsh? 494: Oh marsh is where uh I don't know didn't vegetation or I don't know. Interviewer: Uh one interesting thing that I've been told is that the swamp is a big area but then the marsh might be a s-? 494: #1 Small area that's right. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # #1 field that's uh marshy. # 494: #2 uh-huh # Marsh uh-huh. Interviewer: Yeah it it doesn't stand water all the time. 494: That's right. Auxiliary: Yeah {D: it doesn't}. 494: That's ri- uh-huh. Interviewer: mm-hmm And uh {NW} the ground of it is exceptionally rich you'd say well that's uh that's very? 494: humus #1 soil. # Interviewer: #2 mm # And uh {D: if you use it as fertile} fertile or? 494: Mm-hmm fertile uh-huh. Auxiliary: Fertile. 494: That ground is fertile. Interviewer: And yo- would you say {X} would you remember saying fertile or fertile? 494: Fertile. Interviewer: #1 Fertile always? # 494: #2 mm-hmm # I've never heard fertile. Interviewer: And uh {NW} different kind of land you know what is buckshot land? Auxiliary: Uh we have that uh. 494: That's something won't grow anything isn't it #1 white land. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # ground looks like {X}. Interviewer: mm-hmm Little white u- uh different colors of grains of sand or? #1 Is it sandy or more clay? # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # it's uh some of it's got sand in it we've got some by uh {X}. This uh {D: muck} yard and it's white Interviewer: mm-hmm Auxiliary: clay and I. Interviewer: mm-hmm How bout a gumbo gumbo land? 494: I don't know what that is. Auxiliary: #1 {X} we don't have {X}. # 494: #2 {X} we don't have any here # Interviewer: {X} would you explain that on uh 494: #1 It's a heavy black uh. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # #1 But it's real red if you put {X}. # Interviewer: #2 Is it {X} # Auxiliary: {X} gumbo when it's wet. You can {X} it can be covered with water. And there's water going down {X} you got {X} when it's wet or you won't {X} #1 {X} # 494: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Is that gumbo land? Auxiliary: uh-uh you got to {X}. Interviewer: Uh that must be between the hills and the river {X}. Auxiliary: #1 {X} # 494: #2 mm-hmm over in Lake county. # Interviewer: uh-huh Auxiliary: mm-hmm {X} lotta gumbo. Interviewer: mm-hmm And uh {X} what is that you ever use that? 494: Well that's a good soil soil isn't it? Auxiliary: mm-hmm {X} good soil. Interviewer: uh-huh #1 {X} soil and {X} # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: Would you call gumbo? Auxiliary: There's different {X}. Interviewer: {D: I s-}? Auxiliary: Two or three different kinds of {X} . Interviewer: mm-hmm And uh {NW} when you plow did you ever plow? 494: No but I know what that is. {NW} Interviewer: uh Y- when you first uh what's the difference between plowing and breaking the ground is that the same? 494: Well when you break the ground you're turning the soil over. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: For and turning the top to the bottom. And and that's called breaking the ground. And plowing is after your crop gets up and you plow through it am I right? Auxiliary: Uh I don't know. 494: Cultivate it. Interviewer: Alright. Auxiliary: {X} Interviewer: mm-hmm And uh Auxiliary: {X} they don't do that much now. 494: But you use a plow to break the ground. Interviewer: mm-hmm I see and when you when you break the ground do you turn over? Auxiliary: #1 you turn it over {X} under. # 494: #2 The side. # Interviewer: The s- side and and how was your your you're making what? 494: mm furrows. Interviewer: Furrow? 494: #1 Furrows. # Auxiliary: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: uh-huh And {NW} after or while you're plowing would you have two horses and uh a left handed plow what do you call the horse over here? 494: {NW} Interviewer: What do you {D: call}? 494: #1 Okay you {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {X} 494: #1 A lead horse and a {D: off} horse. # Interviewer: #2 Yes. # Uh the lead and the {D: off} #1 The lead is on the left. # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Auxiliary: That's right. Interviewer: Uh and the {D: off} Auxiliary: The lead's on the left. Interviewer: Uh and then uh when you when you break uh when you um when you want to after you plow when you when you wanna make the the ground uh smoother what do you use? 494: You use the desk. Auxiliary: {D: when you you} {X}. Interviewer: {X} Auxiliary: {X} 494: {X} used to. Interviewer: uh-huh 494: Way back down you disc and then you had what you call a harrow you go back over this with these teeth in it. Auxiliary: That's what we'd call 'em that way back? 494: #1 Yeah we'd {C: laughs}. # Interviewer: #2 that's right uh-huh # Auxiliary: {X} we break much ground down here. Interviewer: Um they don't they just um Auxiliary: They use they use a 494: A chisel. Auxiliary: Chisel they chisel it. {X} long plow on a on a {X} behind the tractor used to go down {X}. 494: Doesn't turn the ground over. Auxiliary: Turn it over it just shakes it loose. 494: Loosens it up. Interviewer: Uh that's that's new to me uh it's probably what I've been seeing in the Delta. Uh {NW} it stirs up a terrific cloud of dust. 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: {X} and that's a chisel Auxiliary: and uh Interviewer: and they actually go down a couple feet {X}. 494: mm-hmm Auxiliary: {X} and then they after they they got a {X} what they call just uh it's got {X} {X} roller behind it. And they go {X} they just don't break much round here no more. Interviewer: {X} seen hundreds of acres of that uh #1 that really kicks up an awful lot of dust. # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: uh Auxiliary: Yeah. Interviewer: mm-hmm Auxiliary: You can't always see the tractor {X}. Interviewer: Uh we talked about uh wheat and hay and uh did you ever um chop any cotton? 494: Oh yeah. Auxiliary: {C: laughs} 494: Makes my back hurt right now. Interviewer: And what how did you what what does that mean uh chop cotton? 494: Well it means to go {X} and get the weeds uh the weeds and grass out of it and to thin it out. Interviewer: #1 To thin it? # 494: #2 {D: Block it out} # and leave a certain number. Interviewer: {D: did you both}? 494: #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 and the weeds and {X}? # 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: And what kinds of grass uh undesirable grass or weeds did you have uh? 494: Oh we had every kind of grass crab grass and uh smartweeds and what else uh #1 stick weeds # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: uh-huh hollow weed. Interviewer: And {NW} after you cut clover and it comes back up what do you call that uh that kind of? 494: Second crops. Interviewer: #1 Just second crop? # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Auxiliary: mm-hmm Interviewer: And uh {NW} let's see we talk about some of these talked about a {X} barrel a smaller barrel with nails that come in? 494: Keg Interviewer: And around the bigger barrel would have? 494: #1 Staves of uh {X} # Interviewer: #2 {D: Staves} # staves would be {X} 494: uh-huh Auxiliary: And then 494: The staves are the wooden #1 things that make the barrel. # Interviewer: #2 Oh. # {D: It's a round disk} iron 494: Uh the hooves. Interviewer: uh-huh And {NW} when you pour a lager into a {X} bottle? Auxiliary: What was? 494: The neck of the bottle a funnel funnel okay. Interviewer: The reason I ask that question is I- I've heard tunnel here. 494: Oh no huh-uh Auxiliary: Tunnel {X}. Interviewer: And {NW} then th- the way you close off a bottle? 494: Cork it up. Auxiliary: uh-huh 494: Cap it up. Interviewer: Did you ever hear stopper or s-? 494: Mm-hmm stopper. Interviewer: Uh is the stopper a cork or glass or {D: isn't there}? 494: Well it would be either. A bottle or the stopper of a bottle you you use a cork stopper or a glass stopper. Auxiliary: Yeah either one. 494: Either one's a stopper. Auxiliary: mm-hmm Interviewer: And we talked about tow sacks you didn't don't know what was sacked? 494: uh-huh Interviewer: What was sacked? 494: Well I- I've heard of a gunny sack now what's that? Auxiliary: {X} Interviewer: Might be finely woven. 494: I guess so. Interviewer: #1 Wo- finely woven uh # 494: #2 Yes. # #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 burlap and uh. # In the hills um you don't have any any big hills around here but uh one fact I'd like to investigate Did you ever he- 494: Yeah we have gullies. #1 {C: laughs} # Interviewer: #2 Okay {X}. # Hills valleys mountains notches uh. 494: We have hills we don't have mountains and we don't have notches. Auxiliary: mm-hmm 494: #1 But we might have a knob. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # We have hills and hollers. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} Hills? # 494: No we have hill knobs or some places I mean they're called that. Auxiliary: mm-hmm 494: But we just call 'em hills and ridges we have ridges. Interviewer: What was uh did you have wide deep cut more than a gully i- in the side of a hill or between two hills? What do you call that uh? 494: A hollow. #1 {D: Cross a riverbend} that what you're getting at? # Interviewer: #2 {X} # uh-huh And uh the creek and uh and the uh on different pronunciations bayou bayou bayou? 494: #1 No we don't have any of those here we have creeks. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # creek here. 494: We don't even have creeks they're creeks. Interviewer: uh-huh And how bout the smaller things than a creek? 494: Ah little ditches. Auxiliary: {X} branches. 494: #1 Branches mm-hmm # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Mm-hmm and uh 494: I've even heard it called both down on the creek bank. Auxiliary: #1 The creek banks. # 494: #2 {C: laughs} # Interviewer: uh-huh 494: {NW} Interviewer: I read a history of uh {NW} water dam economy and there it referred to um {D: u- the uh} {X} creek {X} big creek and? Auxiliary: {X} creek Interviewer: #1 creek {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: creek baby {D: the land was cut through by creek baby}.{X} 494: #1 Oh instead of cr- uh instead of baby creek oh yes. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # {X} 494: I don't know. Auxiliary: {D: I don't know} Interviewer: {X} And uh different kinds of trees do you have a uh Uh this is interesting I've judged from your columns your {X} how bout uh did you ever hear of a buttonwood or buttonball? 494: hmm-mm Interviewer: uh {NW} I got those names for sycamores if you have uh? 494: We have sycamores but I've never heard 'em called that. Interviewer: And about magnolias um {NW} ever hear a magnolia called a a cucumber tree? 494: A- now we've we have had cucumber trees here but I didn't know it was a magnolia tree. Interviewer: Well I don't know the {X} but 494: Well it may be in the magnolia family I wouldn't be surprised but I have we have had cucumber trees. Interviewer: Cucumber cucumber laurel tree magnolia? 494: Yeah. Interviewer: th- th- the terms {X}? 494: uh-huh We think of magnolias we think of Mississippi and on down that way but we do have a few magnolias planted #1 i- in yards here. # Auxiliary: #2 uh {X} # {D: between difference} between for uh uh I worked in the state division of forestry. and we have a {X} forester and he's out of East Tennessee {X} and they call trees maybe we what we call a a just like you {D: just} told bout that cucumber tree. They don't call 'em cucumber they call 'em something else. Interviewer: mm-hmm Auxiliary: #1 Because every name for 'em {X} # 494: #2 I bet you call it # the laurel tree or something like #1 that {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} they did call 'em laurel. # And I know we got a lynn tree. We call the lynn and they I forgot what he called it we {X} called it lynn {X}. But they got different names for it in different sections of the country. Interviewer: It's uh interesting how they the terms change uh how bout uh {X} {D: did you}? 494: We don't have any rhododendrons here. Interviewer: mm And do you have any poisonous {D: pile of} bushes or vines uh? 494: #1 We have poison oak poison ivy # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: and uh. Interviewer: #1 How bout {X} bush? # 494: #2 Uh. # sumac shumac {NW} Interviewer: Which did you say uh did you used to say sumac? 494: Shumac. Interviewer: Sumac. 494: Shumac like S-H-U-M-A-K-E is what uh. Interviewer: Did you ever hear that being used as a dye? 494: Oh no. Interviewer: {X} Auxiliary: No. 494: Don't believe I have. Interviewer: Somebody told me that uh whatever it's spelled like it's pronounced shumac because she shoe makers used to use it. 494: #1 Well I guess {D: that's maybe they did} uh-huh. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And uh 494: But it's really S-U-M-A-C and it's Interviewer: Right. {X} {NW} How bout um is there anything that makes that's poisonous {X}? um 494: Oh the uh mm Interviewer: Did you ever hear bout laurel being poisonous? 494: Yes. Interviewer: #1 You did? # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Auxiliary: uh-huh 494: But course we don't have any around here. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: But I have heard that it's poisonous. Interviewer: Anything that that's poisonous uh do flowers around here? Auxiliary: I don't think so not {X} {D: nothing but}. 494: There's a buckeye tree that's poisonous to cows Interviewer: mm-hmm If they eat the? 494: If they eat the I don't know what is the the leaves or the or the buckeyes. Auxiliary: {D: They get enough}. 494: Maybe. Interviewer: And how bout {D: just any} insects um the different kinds that you remember? 494: Oh we have wasp and bumblebees and we've had 'em since I remember. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 494: Hornets. Interviewer: Hornets uh and the ones that uh Auxiliary: go underground. Interviewer: They dig up yes. 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: Which are they uh? 494: Oh. Auxiliary: {X} 494: {X} Interviewer: Um the bumblebee and the hornet has nests up? 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: {X} Uh are these the y- yellow jackets? 494: #1 Yellow jackets what goes in the ground that's right. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 494: But we have more wasps and bumblebees #1 here than anything else. # Interviewer: #2 {D: Really?} # How bout uh things that build nests out of dirt? 494: #1 Dirt daubers we have a lot of them. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {X} lot of dirt daub- Interviewer: Do they sting uh? 494: #1 No I don't think so hmm-mm. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: They're little things that? 494: They're just a nuisance. Auxiliary: {X} Interviewer: Also a nuisance in the summer they sting you make you itch? 494: Oh yes they're little sweat beads uh. Interviewer: {D: alright an- and how how long}? 494: Oh. Interviewer: T- th- the Auxiliary: {X} 494: No it's uh. Interviewer: {X} thinking about is the mosquitoes? Auxiliary: Oh okay {X}. 494: Yes. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 494: #2 uh-huh # Interviewer: Did you as as a child {D: what did you call 'em}? 494: Mosquitoes. Interviewer: #1 Mosquitoes? # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: And the ones that get up under your skin if you walk through? 494: Chiggers. Auxiliary: Chiggers. 494: #1 We got them too. {C: laughs} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {X} 494: And ticks. Interviewer: uh-huh And how bout the bugs are green and jump? 494: #1 Grasshoppers. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Did you ever hear hopper grass? 494: hmm-mm Auxiliary: huh-uh 494: It's grasshoppers. Auxiliary: mm Interviewer: And uh spiderweb is uh? Do you um the difference between dew web spiderweb and cobweb? 494: Well yes I think th- {NW} uh a cobweb a dew web you can be walking out in the yard and can't even see it and run into it it gets all over you. And a cobweb is what grows up in the corner your house. {NW} Different places don't look up and a spiderweb you can see the forms uh where the spider weaves their web out you know in different. Interviewer: I see. 494: ways. I think there's a difference in all three. Interviewer: mm-hmm Which one uh collects dirt it seems to be dusty and #1 are these cobwebs? # 494: #2 I believe # #1 that's a cobweb mm-hmm. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Cobweb. Interviewer: And the bugs that fly around a candle or? 494: Uh. Interviewer: Or any light? 494: Oh they're um candle flies no what are they? Interviewer: #1 Candle flies and and and? # Auxiliary: #2 It's uh {X} # 494: #1 There's another name I'm trying to think of. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # There's the huge candle fly some places they're called moths. 494: Yeah. Interviewer: And uh. 494: But the ones that we call these moths that we see out in our garden these little yellow things that are flitting around from #1 bean row to bean row. # Interviewer: #2 that's # mm-hmm 494: That's moths. Interviewer: And the ones that get in your clothes? 494: That's moths too {NW} Interviewer: And uh {NW} the ones that uh send off light at night? 494: That's lightning bugs. Interviewer: Do you folks say {D: the expression} {X}? 494: #1 No we don't {X}. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # There's a wonderful article when {X} uh on {NW} there's a park in Memphis that somebody {X} and said they these lightning bugs need to be investigated. Auxiliary: mm-hmm Interviewer: That there's {X} {D: they} look over the uh whole park. and so help me every lightning bug is turning off and on his light and at the same time. #1 {X} {C: laughs}. # 494: #2 Well # Interviewer: The whole park was on and off. 494: Well. Interviewer: {X} So uh {X} uh you'd be interested in #1 that {X}? # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: {X} send you a copy uh um. He said do some more investigating {D: in at regular} {X}. 494: Is that Lydel Sims' column no he's he writes for the Press {X}. #1 No Lydel writes for {D: parks and hills}. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # This is on the front page it's called silent Memphis and. 494: That's Lydel Sims. Interviewer: #1 Is that right? # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: Uh. 494: #1 We did take the {D: commercial bill of}. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # If you're interested {D: now I'd be happy to} {X}. 494: Okay. Interviewer: {X} send it to you {X}. 494: Route 2 on Bines. {NS} Interviewer: #1 uh {X} # 494: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And what is? Interviewer: #1 Send that to you {D: soon}. # 494: #2 Okay. # Interviewer: {X} anything. How bout the uh little bug that um has two sets of wings and darts around uh over water? 494: Oh. Interviewer: #1 S- u- sort of hovers in the garden? # 494: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: {X} hovers? 494: W- what are those things? I know what you're talking bout. Interviewer: All kinds of names for 'em uh is it something that starts with a snake? 494: #1 Oh snake doctor yes snake doctor. # Interviewer: #2 Snake doctor. # #1 The reason I didn't wanna suggest {X} # 494: #2 mm-hmm yeah. # Interviewer: {X} also. {NW} 494: Yeah oh we I you mentioned that earlier. Interviewer: {D: Is that right}? 494: And uh I- I thought then that what we called them snake doctors here. Interviewer: {X} uh-huh And different kinds of birds uh how bout owls? 494: We have few owls here uh. Interviewer: The big ones or the ones that? 494: The hoot owls or the? Interviewer: The smaller ones um. 494: U- little oh Interviewer: {D: There's}? 494: Screech owls. Interviewer: #1 Screech owls? # 494: #2 Screech owls. # Interviewer: #1 {X} I didn't wanna suggest. # 494: #2 Yeah {C: laughs}. # Interviewer: The {D: is there any} some of the pronunciations are they use screech screech? 494: #1 No well we call 'em screech owls. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Screech uh-huh. 494: {X} is that what you call 'em? Auxiliary: mm-hmm 494: #1 Screech owls? # Auxiliary: #2 Screech owls. # Interviewer: And we mentioned the the bird that uh? 494: #1 Peck a wood a woodpecker {C: laughs}. # Interviewer: #2 {X} uh-huh # They have {NW} all kinds of small things like uh well everything from rats to weasels what do you call all of 'em together? 494: They're rodents. Interviewer: uh 494: #1 The rodent family. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # That that's more of a scientific 494: Uh. Interviewer: Uh. What would you call it that? When you were younger? 494: Well I'd call 'em rats and mice. Interviewer: Uh but the whole group of 'em you father might say I'm gonna get my gun and go out and shoot that? Would you say varmint? 494: I guess you hear varmint. Interviewer: #1 Varmint {X}. # 494: #2 yeah uh-huh # mm-hmm varmint. Interviewer: And the little things that uh {X} small but you scare 'em terrific smell? 494: Oh skunks. Interviewer: #1 Skunks {X}. # Auxiliary: #2 mm-hmm mm # Interviewer: Different kinds of squirrels um Auxiliary: {X} or um. 494: Red squirrel the gray squirrel. Auxiliary: {X} squirrel. Interviewer: #1 And how bout {X}? # 494: #2 {X} squirrel. # Interviewer: {X} squirrel. Things that {D: go underground} that have? 494: Moles. Interviewer: Moles? Uh these look like squirrels they're just about as big uh? 494: Oh you mean run on the ground? Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: Oh. Auxiliary: uh chip- 494: Chipmunks. Interviewer: Chipmunks uh do you have chipmunks here? 494: #1 U- we don't have any chipmunks here do we? # Interviewer: #2 No I don't # Auxiliary: No I don't believe we do I don't remember seeing any {X}. 494: huh-uh Interviewer: That's another interesting. 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: {X} some some people call 'em gophers {X}. Auxiliary: Yeah. Interviewer: #1 Ground {X}. # 494: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: Okay {D: they're just} and different kinds of frogs? 494: mm-hmm #1 We have uh the bullfrogs and. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: The ones? 494: Toad frogs {NW} Interviewer: Those the same one that {X}? 494: Uh-huh the u- uh. Auxiliary: Bullfrogs. Interviewer: {X} supposed to get in trees? 494: Tree frogs. Interviewer: {X} same same? 494: #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 494: #1 Tree frogs uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # And how bout the hard shell things {X}? 494: Turtles and the terrapins and the. Interviewer: Which are which? 494: Well the turtles I think uh stay in the water more #1 and terrapins ar- # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 494: u- can be on dry land more. Interviewer: mm-hmm Well. Auxiliary: I uh I hate to give up cause I'm enjoying this. Interviewer: {NW} {D: well I think that you're running out of questions Let's see uh do you have anything that you uh would like to suggest?One thing m you mentioned right smart when you uh when you got to uh Memphis and you take a bus perhaps y- you tell the driver {X} uh th- the next street is where I want? 494: Off. Auxiliary: Want off. 494: mm-hmm Auxiliary: uh-huh Interviewer: And uh {NW} somebody is rushing to get to church and uh he's late an- and he might say something about uh church will be over by the? 494: How'd I get there? Interviewer: {D: right up there there}? And uh how bout the expression uh y'all in this area? 494: We use it quite a bit. Interviewer: And uh it hasn't dropped in our conversation {X} probably because o- there hasn't been an opportunity. 494: I guess ri- Interviewer: uh h- how how um how would you say it is used in {X}? 494: In the general term you all come back to see us or? Auxiliary: {X} 494: uh-huh Interviewer: And uh {X} do you do you think that's passing out of use or not in conversation? 494: Well since we haven't used it here this afternoon I haven't been conscious that have not used it. Auxiliary: uh-huh 494: Uh I don't I guess it may be but I I still use it quite a bit. Interviewer: uh-huh I could tell you a joke I remember. A lady {NW} in Mississippi said no uh just country people says {X} not good anymore. {X} But that moment her sister in law came in says y'all still taping? 494: Yeah. Auxiliary: {C: laughs} {X} 494: Yeah. Auxiliary: {C: laughs} Interviewer: So {C: laughs} uh I didn't say. 494: And wha- what are y'all doing? Auxiliary: {X} 494: Now i- it's shortened I mean I use it most y'all. Interviewer: uh-huh 494: Instead of you all. Interviewer: uh-huh 494: What are y'all doing or? Interviewer: It's uh it's a shame if it's uh passing out of use because it's uh it's a very nice expression. But uh I was interested in the fact that the lady did not {X} {C: they laugh}. Auxiliary: {X} Interviewer: Uh it's normally country people. 494: Well do you know why it's passing out of use I guess like you said all schools are getting uh Interviewer: {X} 494: Standardized using the same. Interviewer: mm-hmm #1 Children I suppose {X} # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: {X} um that's not right. 494: I can remember you was talking about chopping cotton. The two years we lived in Lay county my daddy ran some land over on the river. And the rows over there I don't think have any end. You can't see from one end to the other. They take you all day to to chop from one end to the other. And we ge- we're bout halfway in the field when the noon hour came. And we carried our lunch and was right close to the river and we decided we'd go over on the riverbank and eat our lunch and uh. We had some negroes {NW} chopping with us they were th- nicest best old things. And uh w- we we're going to leave they was going to over there and was all going to eat our lunch together so before I left I stuck my whole handle down so I could tell where to go back to but you couldn't see it. But we was walking on down and I'd reckon this old nigger woman looked back and she said lordy miss Bonnie said you left that whole handle sticking up. You mustn't do that goes right back out and take #1 that down so there'd be a death in your # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: #1 family before the year's out. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: And she made me go back and lay my hoe down. #1 She said we don't want anybody dying in your family. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 {D: There are a lot of passing superstitions like that uh} # 494: #2 mm-hmm mm-hmm # Interviewer: um how bout opening an umbrella in the ho-? 494: #1 In the house that was one. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Auxiliary: {D: I remember} {X}. 494: #1 She really was and {D: sweeping}. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {D: front door and she'd go around come around the house she's} {X} {D: that back door she's coming around the front door} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} uh-huh # I I've heard that uh Auxiliary: She wasn't. Interviewer: But it doesn't mean uh bad luck it means company will come. 494: #1 Well I don't know what her superstition about it was but. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {X} 494: And I sweep at night she wouldn't sweep. crush out and she might sweep up the floor but she'd leave it a little pile 'til morning she wouldn't sweep it. Interviewer: Somebody {X} the door what does that mean? 494: Good luck. Interviewer: Good luck? 494: mm-hmm Auxiliary: uh-huh Interviewer: Uh is it 494: My daddy was superstitious too he wouldn't. Uh he's gonna plant his field down here. He would go down there and do something on Thursday evening. Auxiliary: {X} 494: He wouldn't start Fri- he wouldn't #1 start any job on Friday. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Did he uh? Auxiliary: {X} get through with it now he knew he could start a job on Friday morning and through with it before the day's over {D: if he would}. Interviewer: Would he plant by signs uh? 494: #1 Yes he would he would very much of a sign planter. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {X} uh he marked all the signs and. Interviewer: {X} uh? 494: Yes it was. Auxiliary: {C: laughs} Interviewer: After all um do you remember any um any superstitions about uh or real events about uh ghosts or haunts {X}? 494: Oh yes this hill right here is noted. But we've lived here many many years and we've yet to see that first ghost or haunt. Interviewer: Is that right? 494: But we're we've heard stories and my aunt my daddy's sister used to live here there's a great big house oh it was a huge house. It burned. And uh I was a child I used to come here and oh the scary tales they'd tell it would just scare us to death. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: And uh then we've heard that we've heard her husband would tell about the different lights that would start up on the ridge and he said now just wait you'll see 'em. We never did see it but they'd talk about it. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: Oh it was scary and that house was scary. Interviewer: Did you ever uh as a child think you saw a ghost or a haunt? 494: Oh I think I did I've seen 'em haunted {NW}. #1 But I really don't think I did but I thought I did if you know what I mean. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh uh-huh # mm-hmm A lot of people um tell very convinces stories {X} before the countryside uh before electricity was just absolutely had a totally black. 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: Uh they would see lights and uh. Auxiliary: mm-hmm Interviewer: um smell goats Did you ever hear of that? 494: No. Interviewer: The uh if a ghost were passing the sme- {X} the smell of {D: a} goat. 494: Well. Interviewer: And uh smell burning uh like burnt silver {X} That's what I remember {X} uh people used to think they were associated with the devil or {X}. 494: Well I don't know whether they thought that or not but this aunt and my uncle of mine just really scared me to death right here on this very hill . Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: And uh even after the old house burned the big ol' house and when Ezra and I moved here married and moved here we moved a little house that was back up in the field little two room house. And course this old cistern is still out yonder and then the- there's another cistern right under the corner of this room when this house was built it was filled up. But that old cistern you know after the house burned uh the bricks crumbled it did grow up with bushes and. We had some more peoples living in a little house out here that was helping near the farm. And this woman said now there's a a haunt that comes up out of that cistern every night at midnight and said she's got on a long flowing robe and long black hair so I've seen her. And we decided one night that we'd just come down here and wait for it. And we sat out there till about two o'clock the haunt never did come out of that cistern. Auxiliary: {C: laughs} 494: I I just don't know what. Interviewer: {X} probably discouraged it. 494: Well probably so. Auxiliary: {C: laughs} 494: But I can remember coming here when my aunt lived here. And uh we'd come and chop cotton for my uncle and she my aunt would stay here they had this big ol' house was huge was four great big rooms straight back and then three straight back and then then three straight back. It was that big and they were huge rooms too. And she would cook and then at dinner time she would bring our dinner to us. And uh to the field and most of the time they all thought I was too little to chop cotton and they'd leave me here to help her fix the dinner and bring it in the buggy to them up there. #1 And that was great fun he {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: she was a good cook. And h- this man was my uncle had every one of these ridges named and every holler. I wish I could remember which ridge and which holler was which since we own the farm now. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: I I just don't remember wha- what he called them. Interviewer: Did he name this {X}? 494: No this this ridge got its name pea ridge back during the depression u- when that was depression cause we didn't live here during the depression but it's in the uh late thirties. And um we had {X} the post depression I guess you'd say. And we planted a lot of peas round different spots on these ridges different maybe the cotton wouldn't come up to a certain place and we'd plant peas. Every {X} plant peas we did. And my brother in law who was raised in Cape Torano Missouri uh he was a river man and they were between jobs and he came that year to help us with the farming a little bit. #1 And he said oh {X} we pick peas and pick peas # Auxiliary: #2 {C: laughs} # 494: and I think that was when we first got our a pressure canner. And we'd can peas and we'd dry peas. And we had so many ple- peas he said oh I'll tell you what that place is just pea ridge is all IT IS and it's gone to that name ever since. Interviewer: Is tha- Auxiliary: mm mm mm Interviewer: The uh birds didn't go after the peas? 494: No. Auxiliary: {X} no. 494: If they did there's still plenty left still plenty left. Interviewer: That's the uh problem I guess with growing peas now is the birds will go through and {X} and #1 and uh. # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: Nothing left so well that's that's interesting uh. 494: {NW} Interviewer: What do you think? Auxiliary: We're still growing we still have a pea pasture {X} every year {X} {D: have a pea pasture} {X} going to plant one. 494: One year we put up so many peas canned them and dried them and we ate so many peas that uh he told somebody his blood was ninety percent pea soup. Auxiliary: {C: they all laugh} Interviewer: {D: Did you ever have uh starlings} did you {D: have a bird} starlings or? 494: I we called black birds I I don't whether the same thing as starlings or not. Interviewer: {NW} They are a a black bird usually is a glossy black with a long tail uh. Auxiliary: We got those starlings {X}. Interviewer: Starlings are grubby kind of looking blueish gray and speckled? 494: Yeah. Interviewer: short tail and starlings are the ones that take our peas {X}? 494: #1 Well. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {X} to have as much as much trouble in uh in the winter time {X}. 494: That's right it was the starling {X} and the cities I think even in cities a certain spot he said he had trouble with starlings. And plots in Tennessee I think starlings nearly took over up there. Auxiliary: {X} {X} on a hill. Interviewer: mm-hmm And I I don't remember uh {NW} uh as a kid I don't I don't remember #1 starlings. # Auxiliary: #2 I don't remember 'em either. # 494: I don't ei-. Interviewer: Yeah they've just uh taken over. 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: {X} uh Auxiliary: I think they're coming here from so- I don't believe we had 'em when we Interviewer: mm-hmm Auxiliary: {X}. Interviewer: {X} black birds? Auxiliary: Oh yeah we {X}. Interviewer: Black bird doesn't do much uh. 494: We had to build scarecrows in the garden to keep some kind of birds out of the garden. Interviewer: mm-hmm mm-hmm 494: Or maybe it was the rabbits we're keeping out. Auxiliary: Maybe it was a hamster? 494: Maybe it was {NW} Auxiliary: I think when uh we can {X} {X} scarecrow {X} those gardens and uh {X} for deer. Interviewer: #1 Oh is that right {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: Well I didn't know that. Auxiliary: {X} up there were when we're {X} awful time {X} with deer. {X} raid the garden. Interviewer: {D: I suppose it's uh do you} hunt very much uh. Auxiliary: They do hunting too course {X}. Interviewer: uh-huh Auxiliary: Th- uh they have a regular deer season. Interviewer: I'm surprised to uh to {X} to places #1 {X} {NW} {X} deer crossings no matter where you. # Auxiliary: #2 Yeah {X} # mm-hmm Interviewer: Talking bout m- uh Auxiliary: {X} smart. Interviewer: uh-huh Auxiliary: When I {X} for four days {X} I didn't see a deer. {X} Interviewer: uh {X} {X} There's four each now so it's mostly {X}. Auxiliary: saw a lot of deer tracks Interviewer: Oh. Auxiliary: down on the little branches where they'd been down the water. But I never saw a deer. Interviewer: mm-hmm How long have you been with the forestry um? Auxiliary: {D: Twenty-nine} years {X} in September. Interviewer: That's uh that's a job next to the one that I've got uh I think it'd be most desirable. 494: Well when he first went to work for the forestry division they had a forest fires to fight I never knew what time of the night he'd be coming in because lots of times they'd fight the fire on till midnight. But the last few years people have either gotten educated or something because they haven't been having to fight. Auxiliary: They just got they just decided to {X} what the value of timber is. Interviewer: mm-hmm Auxiliary: It's timber that makes fire {X} and they and they {X} at the loss they had of timber {X}. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: He spends most of his time now a lot of it in in the woods uh #1 with the uh district forester {D: cruising} timber and # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: one week he he spent over matches trace. Auxiliary: Oh yeah. 494: mark uh. Auxiliary: Yeah right that uh. 494: freeze ice. Auxiliary: {X} a lot of timber {X} got seventy-five acres that's torn down. {X} Th- that's a seventy-five acre fine. Interviewer: mm-hmm Auxiliary: {X} twenty-two thousand dollar wood {X} got forty-two thousand acres {X}. Interviewer: I s- um did you have much ice here {X}? 494: Oh yes. Auxiliary: We {X} didn't break the trees down like it did of course we don't have pine like do over there. Interviewer: mm-hmm {X} Mississippi was around {X} springs was really in bad shape. {X} I'm sure you've read about it. Auxiliary: Yeah. Interviewer: Highways were closed and beautiful trees {D: in town} {X} and uh trees are just laid over every which way. 494: mm-hmm I will tell you what happened a few years ago we had a ice storm through here and we couldn't get off of this hill it was so icy. And uh and he would manage to get to the mailbox and back to get our mail and take letters and. We had a I believe I o- one of our telephone lines down when the when the power off too but anyhow we were kinda stranded all except the mail. And we had written our daughters in Memphis that we were stranded you know. And I believe he walked out to Elbridge it's about a mile and a half out there it's a little store maybe one day got us some milk and bread. But anyhow we had written to them that we were stranded. And that was all about the time that they were pushing nationwide sending care packages overseas. Auxiliary: #1 well one day we got a package in the mail. # Interviewer: #2 {C: laughs} # Auxiliary: {C: laughs} 494: And we had a a package of crackers and some cheese and lots of dominoes and a box of checkers. I don't know what all it had in it it had uh course had o- our name and address on the outside we took that wrapper off on the inside they had care package {NW}. Interviewer: #1 {X} poor isolated natives. # 494: #2 {C: laughs} # That's right. Interviewer: uh-huh 494: I'll start telling you how I go about my writing uh messenger. I took a I noticed a little ad in a magazine one time about take a free writing test to see whether you have the abilities to write. So I sent for it and they sent me the test and I took the test did everything it told me sent it back. Well they graded it and sent it back to me and then I got a telephone call. They said I had made such a high score they wanted to send the representative to talk to me about taking a writing course. Auxiliary: {D: Oh yeah}. 494: And well he came and talked to me but I couldn't afford the writing course {NW}. Cost too much I told him I just couldn't do it. Interviewer: uh-huh 494: And there's this uh what it was this famous #1 writers school I guess you've probably heard of that? # Interviewer: #2 {X} # uh-huh Yeah well that's uh that really is highly recommended. 494: mm-hmm #1 But I didn't take it I didn't feel like I could afford it so. # Interviewer: #2 {X} idea how much # Uh it's a very well good for you. 494: mm Interviewer: I think um you do have a flair. 494: #1 I just {X} along on these {X} {C: laughs}. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # Auxiliary: {X} paper here {X}. 494: Well. Interviewer: Well. 494: mm Interviewer: And the same things with uh that's true nationwide just about {D: uh these carjacks like this one or} #1 writing {X}? # 494: #2 Yes. # Interviewer: Just doesn't doesn't pay so uh I would like very much to see it. one of your columns if um if you? 494: #1 Well. # Interviewer: #2 {D: care to} # If you uh? 494: #1 If you give me your leave your name and address I'll # Interviewer: #2 {X} # {X}? 494: #1 That's alright. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # I um {NW} {NS} {X} Since I've been traveling the only place I've got that's pretty permanent is uh my elderly parents are home in in Ohio so I'll leave that uh. 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: And I go up there oh every month or so so. 494: Are you not married? Interviewer: No {X} women wouldn't put up with me. Auxiliary: {NW} Interviewer: Well {D: the} {D: seems I got more} #1 more of a gypsy in my old age {X} I used to. # 494: #2 {C: laughs} # We like to travel around but we don't get much chance to uh our two daughters in Memphis their husbands took us last year they began planning Christmas. Uh but they were going to take a trip to California and uh they were gonna take us with them. And they both set up they got their vacation set up the same time. And they kept their little bed there talk to us bout now we're going to California with us. And course uh we got to talking {NW} kind of a gas rationing kinda got Auxiliary: Oh yeah. 494: talking about then and I said well I don't know whether we ought to or not we may get stranded out there well both of the daughters well they weren't worried. So they didn't think the gas rationing was all that bad and uh so we we went we went two cars one of 'em's got th- there's five in one family four in the other family. And they said now there's two cars of us going and we gonna take both of you all said. Interviewer: Wonderful. Auxiliary: {C: laughs} 494: #1 And said oh it's going to cost you {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: They said all it's going to cost you is where you sleep and what you eat. Interviewer: mm-hmm And your your gas bill won't cost you a thing transportation {X}. mm 494: #1 But we just had a wonderful trip it was only two weeks and # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: #1 got to see a lot of the country. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Did uh not have any trouble with? 494: #1 Didn't have any trouble # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: into two national parks and uh gra- old grand Auxiliary: grand 494: Grand Canyon national park and the Sequoia national park they limited us to ten gallons. #1 But that's about it no that wasn't bad # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 494: #1 but the {X} # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: #1 uh. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {X} {X} 494: #1 They never {D: did} let their tanks go down very # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: well bout half full before they'd stop and fill up again. And hadn't had a bit of trouble. Interviewer: Well that's uh that's interesting {D: it was towards the} end of the month #1 to uh {X}. # 494: #2 mm-hmm # mm-hmm Interviewer: Gallon of uh gas was was difficult in Mississippi uh families {X} around that time. That's funny I don't know why you think of all the #1 {X} on the gulf. # 494: #2 mm-hmm # Auxiliary: Well they told us somebody told us in Colorado {X} um {X} get gas in Colorado ninety percent of the stations were closed. Well we pulled up right next {X} they let you have all all you want. 494: #1 {X} just won't have to pump any tomorrow then. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Oh I see. 494: But we went we left right at the last of June and we were gone the first week. Well it was right at the last of June or first of July don't know when. Interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # 494: #2 uh # #1 last year last summer. # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # Well #1 I hear that {X} # 494: #2 uh-huh # Interviewer: #1 {X}. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # {X} you couldn't hardly get gas in Colorado we filled up. 494: It was in uh Laramie Wy- Laramie Wyoming. Auxiliary: {X} going on down to {D: Denver}. Interviewer: mm-hmm Auxiliary: So we filled up and {X} that morning and went on to Denver and they told us {X} these people we saw in our motel at night said that uh. 494: #1 You just couldn't get gas in Colorado. # Auxiliary: #2 You couldn't get # gas in Colorado. Interviewer: mm Auxiliary: And uh we {X} {X} {X}. Interviewer: uh-huh 494: A lot of people like to travel abroad but I'll tell you there's a lot of the United States that I haven't seen. #1 And I'd like to see we've got a lot of things to # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # 494: #1 see here in our country. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And that's the one thing jobs {X} is to #1 {X}. # 494: #2 {X} I'm # #1 sure I'll never get to see 'em all but. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Auxiliary: uh-huh {X} Interviewer: Well I certainly thank you for your. 494: I'll tell you what I'll do we have a little fair Obion County fair and I enter a lot of exhibits. And whatever prize money I enter uh when I win on 'em they pay pretty good prize money uh I put it in a little like {X} savings account. And then I do a catering just kind of as hobby like. Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: A weddings or birthday cakes or do a lot of baking in other words. Auxiliary: mm-hmm 494: And uh whatever they pay me for that I put that and I add it all year to that little savings account. Well we've got a pretty good little nest egg to take a little trip on. Auxiliary: {X} 494: {NW} Interviewer: What kind of things do you enter at the fair um? 494: Oh anything from uh I enter mostly baking and canning Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: is and garden produce and like the bar of lye soap and Interviewer: mm-hmm 494: anything. Interviewer: What uh what time of the year is the fair? 494: It's the latter part of #1 of August the last week of August it is. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # Interviewer: I have I enjoy those things I've {X} uh {X}. 494: #1 Uh-huh steam engine {X} so far. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # They don't have a thrasher just the engine. Interviewer: uh-huh 494: #1 And we had pretty nice music {X}. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # They run it. Interviewer: They keep it up. Auxiliary: Yeah and they Interviewer: They had a fair not far from where my parents live they've got uh they have a oh I suppose um a dozen or more with the uh {X} thrashers and uh. 494: #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 They # #1 saw logs there with old uh {X} steam. # Auxiliary: #2 Yeah uh-huh # Interviewer: The uh thing that impresses me is {X} enormous um {X}. Auxiliary: Yeah. Interviewer: {X} uh {X} 494: mm-hmm Auxiliary: mm-hmm Interviewer: They never fly off they never {X} . 494: #1 That's right. # Auxiliary: #2 {C: laughs} # Interviewer: {X} flying around. 494: I remember those too. We are are saving up and looking forward to our nation our country's bicentennial. And we started in this year our fair. Uh and then next year and then the next year will be the bicentennial of seventy-six. Auxiliary: mm-hmm 494: And uh we're starting in getting old {D: things we want old cider mill old sogger mill an old saw mill and} #1 different things like that set up and uh. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # mm-hmm 494: Then in in seventy-six we plan our big uh celebration of the bicentennial. Interviewer: It's wonderful for young people because they {X} uh. 494: mm-hmm Interviewer: they'll they'll forget about it uh. Auxiliary: What was Obion county uh {X} to have. 494: Oh the sex- sextra- centennial. Auxiliary: #1 {X} # 494: #2 {X} # but last year. Auxiliary: And an old fashioned {D: wig} and {X}. 494: mm Interviewer: mm #1 That sounds {X} have a good time. # Auxiliary: #2 {X} # #1 {X} they won a # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Auxiliary: sweepstakes out in 494: in Tennessee. Interviewer: Oh is that right? 494: mm-hmm Auxiliary: uh-huh Interviewer: Now I hope I'm in this area I'd like to 494: Well I do too. Interviewer: come and see your fair and Auxiliary: mm 494: We have a nice fair. Interviewer: Well thank you very much for your time I'm I uh. 494: I'm