503: {X} {NS} They {NS} used to be {NS} built you know a logs. Hew 'em out. Interviewer: Oh did you? {NS} 503: Oh yeah. Interviewer: Yeah? {NS} uh Would you tell me how you did that? {NS} 503: Well I don't know. Interviewer: What you kept in the buildings after you {NS} 503: Oh these logs was cut the length of one of the rooms. and uh They'd hew 'em out with a hew ax. and uh Big long blade with a handle in it. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: And they'd hew 'em out and then they'd build a house then and put a sticks and mortar between the logs. Fill it up you know? Interviewer: I see. Keep the wind out huh? 503: Yeah. And then you could weather board over it uh anything you wanted to. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: And I got a house down at home now. It's got two log rooms and another one up up above it there little piece. Interviewer: I see. 503: There was more build onto it. but uh Do you have some gum? Interviewer: Think so. Doing fine OK. {NS} Thanks. 503: uh And these uh these rafters was made out of um poplar. And the logs too. There was in them days they'd plant a poplar you know. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and uh These rafters made out a limbs you know? uh That is uh saplings. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and uh They had the lathe cut I reckon. They seem like they got a good lathe on them. Interviewer: mm-hmm and they uh The logs were mostly out of poplar then? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: They they were some good timber that you had them days. Couldn't get nothing for it. Interviewer: mm-hmm What um {NW} do you is that is that the kinda house where you grew up? uh 503: No. This is my wife's mother's house. Grandmother Elle. Interviewer: I see. 503: and uh {NS} This this place here where I {X} now was where she was bred born and raised. Interviewer: Oh I see. 503: I lived across the creek close to the bottom from there. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 So you knew your wife # most of your life then? 503: Yeah well for a long time yes sir. and uh She was raised there and so at the place there was three hundred acres I think in that place. Well after the old woman died uh it had to be divided up. So there's several {X} then come in. and uh My wife's mother got the home place with sixty eight eight tenths acres I believe it was. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and so We lived across the creek over in my home town for about five or six years and we moved over then to four twenty and been there ever since. Interviewer: Ever since huh? 503: Well I did move to town one time. I was supposed to work at a gin and I got fired and Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 503: #2 {NW} # I moved back. Interviewer: uh-huh um would you uh {NW} Do you know what they used two rooms for in the log house there? uh Was one for uh one kinda bedroom and the other 503: Well uh I don't know at that time. Now this here was put on there before me and her was married. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and uh {NS} Her living room I mean her store room and the dining room was what they were called. But uh we finally put a kitchen on that other side of it and we used it then for a dining room and living room and used the other two rooms for bedrooms. Interviewer: I see. {NS} I'd like to make a sketch of that so I'm sure that I know what uh {NS} that I know what that's like. {NW} {NS} 503: There's a hall between it a boxed in hall {NS} {NS} and upstairs. Interviewer: Maybe you oughta make the sketch because you can see it uh 503: Well Interviewer: uh 503: you can you can write better than I can. Interviewer: Okay. {NS} uh {NW} uh So you started with the two rooms. 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: uh-huh and that's uh and those And to that you added an L? 503: Well before that now there was a there was a hall between these these two rooms here. Interviewer: Was that closed in? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: But it was uh weather board and uh boxed in. it uh And then the L and it was on the this room here. If you turn it around this way it'll be just just the other way. It'll be just like the house is sitting. Interviewer: {D: I see.} 503: Now now then uh rooms the L room and uh Interviewer: Well 503: was Interviewer: wait 503: was right there. Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh 503: And then it had a porch end from uh close here and uh used to be uh front front of the house over here. It used to be a road a big road that went down uh some little bit from there and the fork met the railroad down yonder. and uh They changed the road up then and put it back up on this side of the house. Interviewer: In the back, uh {NW} and then you you added a a dining room here? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: And a store room? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: And then you added a kitchen? 503: Well uh that #1 that was # Interviewer: #2 {D: you remember?} # 503: a store room and a kitchen all together there and then you used one of them L rooms right there for a dining r- room. Interviewer: I see now. uh This this would be the uh the first room you added would be a dining room here? 503: Yes sir. No that that'll be the first room. Coming outta this room would be a living room. Interviewer: Oh I see. That's what you added. 503: mm-hmm Interviewer: uh-huh 503: It was added when I went there and then uh this shared room was a store room and they used this one for a dining room at that time. But her father then uh come close share then with a porch and uh {D: won't map uh} our kitchen right in there. Interviewer: In here? 503: #1 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 {NS} # Interviewer: #2 # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # That used to be a porch but then you boarded it in #1 to be a kitchen. # 503: #2 Yeah. Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: And uh what did you use as oh then you used the store room for the dining room. 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: uh-huh uh What room did you keep uh the things that you uh didn't want to throw away but uh didn't have a use for then after you lost the store room? uh Where did you keep #1 that? uh # 503: #2 Well we we kept # them upstairs. Most of the time. Interviewer: I see. 503: Had up upstairs this uh lower room and uh and the hall. Interviewer: uh-huh And how did you get up there? um 503: Had steps to go up just like them. Interviewer: uh Were were they along in here someplace? uh {NS} Steps? 503: Well. Let me see. {NS} {NS} {NS} You went up here in the hall. Interviewer: I see. 503: And then this door then is core to each room. That is uh except the the uh room down the way. Now it it had uh upstairs the green lap chair. From here I reckon. Interviewer: uh-huh um You mentioned uh in the loft in the barn uh what did you call the upstairs in the house? uh Was that a #1 second story? # 503: #2 We just called it up- # stairs rooms. Interviewer: Upstairs? #1 uh-huh # 503: #2 Yes. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: um When you um stored things like that um {NS} uh how would you wife refer to it? Would she say uh uh "We oughta get rid of that old something"? or or how did she uh 503: #1 Well anything that # Interviewer: #2 refer to that? # 503: thing that uh she didn't want to keep 'course we throwed it away but then uh anything she wanted to keep uh we'd say well we'll put it up in the loft. Interviewer: uh-huh What uh would she call it plunder or uh junk or how what would she call it? 503: Just call it mostly junk I think. Interviewer: #1 Junk? uh-huh # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: Some people uh uh used to say plunder I guess #1 or that. Is that right? # 503: #2 Yeah. Yeah. # Interviewer: uh 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Plunder or junk either one. Either. Either one will work. Interviewer: and uh Then you after you built the air lon- uh you used these two rooms for uh 503: Bedrooms. Interviewer: Both of 'em? 503: #1 Yes. # Interviewer: #2 Bedrooms. # uh-huh I noticed this porch uh did you have anything over the hall door here? 503: #1 Well that # Interviewer: #2 that you # 503: there was a porch come on out over that. uh Th- th- there wasn't in the front of the house used to be the front. at th- th- this side here that's There wasn't no porch there. Interviewer: uh-huh Did you have anything over the door to keep the #1 rain off? # 503: #2 No. # #1 No. # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # When uh when people have a little roof #1 over a # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: door like that uh 503: That's called a stoop I #1 think. # Interviewer: #2 Is that a stoop? # 503: I believe it's called a #1 stoop. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # I see quite a few can buy them right now and just a #1 little roof. # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: and uh To keep the the rain off. um Okay and in the uh in the living room uh uh what's the furniture? What furniture did you uh have when you started out? uh 503: Well there wasn't too much {NW} when we started out. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: #1 um # Interviewer: #2 {D: Would that be um} # 503: Just a couch and some chairs and table and such things as that. A chest maybe. Interviewer: uh-huh Did you uh have a fireplace? 503: Yes sir there used to be a fireplace in both rooms I don't remember the fireplace in the front room {D: that is it} That's a room this a way. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: But uh I have used it. The fireplace in the other room we used that as a living room a lotta times Interviewer: uh-huh 503: and the first one over there. but uh We had a storm kinda struck that part of it one night and brought a tree down on that chimney and and I just walled it up then. Interviewer: uh-huh When you uh when you burned uh did you burn wood? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: uh-huh When you uh burned wood uh what what how did you hold up the wood off the #1 in the fireplace? # 503: #2 Had had # what you call dog irons. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Hand irons. Interviewer: and uh 503: and uh They were made uh well they had a upright piece here to hold your wood you know? and then uh Down here the end uh made a crook and then one {X} straight out and then another crook end to hold 'em up. That was to hold your wood up off the hearth. Interviewer: I see. 503: Fireplace. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh Over the top of the fireplace did you have a place for the clock or something? 503: Yeah. The mantle piece we called it. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh Would you tell me how you use used to start a fire? um How would you get #1 a fire # 503: #2 {D: oh well uh} # Interviewer: going so #1 that # 503: #2 uh # Well you'd put your wood and kindling in there We got to where we used a {D: cornal} cob Interviewer: {X} 503: Keep a cob in a {D: cornhole} you know a long time and and then put that under there and stick a match to it and you quickly had a #1 good fire. # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah? # #1 uh-huh # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: How about the big um piece of wood that would be uh that would last a long time? 503: That was called a back stick. Interviewer: uh-huh And you put that on the the 503: Yeah. Interviewer: kindling first 503: Yeah. Interviewer: the back stick uh 503: I put your back stick on and then put your kindling in the front of it on and then keep adding little wood to it. Interviewer: uh-huh did you How would you keep the chimney uh clean so that the #1 {X} # 503: #2 Well it # it was a pretty good size anyway you know and so uh then once in a while they'd catch a fire and burn out I have had that still. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: Have that done. Interviewer: mm-hmm did you uh Did you ever hear of birds called chimney sweeps? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: Is that right? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh I heard about 'em and read about 'em but I don't know uh would they actually get down in the 503: Yeah they'd they'd go down in the chimney. Interviewer: Is it true #1 they'd get # 503: #2 and uh # Interviewer: clean the 503: Yeah. I I reckon they'd help to keep it clean. Interviewer: They actually uh 503: Yeah. Interviewer: they just beat their #1 wings and # 503: #2 That's right. # Interviewer: {NW} 503: {NW} Then they'd go on out the top. {NW} Interviewer: uh-huh um {D: Now when did you} When they get all over the did they get covered with uh 503: Well uh they might have I don't know but then uh they could have flew out you know and got uh kinda flop their wings and uh Interviewer: {X} 503: Hello mister. Aux Speaker 1: How do you do? Interviewer: Come on in. 503: So uh they they wouldn't Aux Speaker 1: {D: ain't enough for you?} 503: Yeah. Aux Speaker 1: Okay. 503: {NW} Aux Speaker 1: {X} 503: That's all. Interviewer: So there you go. And the stuff that uh would be up there you just called uh that black stuff that would would be up there 503: Soot. Interviewer: The the soot. and uh the uh What would you do with the ashes? uh 503: Well you'd take take them up and uh put 'em in a tub or bucket or something and carry one of those. Interviewer: uh-huh Did you have any use for it? uh 503: Well people used to make soap you know. and uh Fix you a frame that would hold ashes you know and uh that have something at the bottom to catch it and pour water in there then let it run through them ashes and cook it. I I don't know exactly how it was made #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: I don't remember that. Interviewer: uh-huh did uh {NW} Did you ever use that lye to to make uh anything out of corn? Did you ever soak corn in that lye to make a 503: #1 Well. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: Yes. Yeah they'd a done that I think. Interviewer: They would they uh I'm not sure about it uh did they uh the lye would loosen the 503: Loosen the husk on that corn I guess. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: and uh I I don't remember very much about that. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: Women folk were always taking care of that part of it. Interviewer: I see. So you stayed away from it huh? uh the uh kitchen Do you remember where you uh what you had in the kitchen and where you kept the food and things like that? uh 503: Well you'd keep it in the {NS} different places in the kitchen and st- you had a stove in there you know. so Interviewer: Was that wood or coal? uh 503: Wood. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Until electric come in and started using an electric stove. Interviewer: You never used coal? uh 503: No sir. Interviewer: Never did. 503: I never did cook any with coal. Interviewer: Did you used to heat with coal? um 503: No. They used to heat there in town with coal. Interviewer: uh-huh uh would keep would it be pretty expensive to uh Would the coal be more I suppose be more expensive than the wood because you had the wood. 503: #1 Yeah. Yeah # Interviewer: #2 Would that uh # 503: you you had the wood you know. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: Out in the country. Had very little coal burned here now I guess. Interviewer: mm-hmm Where did they keep the coal in? uh Would they 503: Well lotta folks just put it out in the yard and then they could have a coal house for it. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: One that had that Interviewer: And then did they bring it in in a 503: Bucket. Interviewer: A bucket? 503: Coal bucket. Interviewer: uh-huh and {NW} How did you keep things cool uh How did you keep the milk cold? {NW} {NS} 503: Well we were lucky. When we moved back to this place I got now there was an old dug well bricked up from the bottom and my wife's mother kept food in that dug well a lotta time. Well all the time when you when you need it Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: And uh 'course we kept it up when we went there. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: But at first when we first married were I think were couple a barrels down in the ground about stick out the top about that much you know and keep milk and butter and stuff in that. {X} Interviewer: I see. It would keep pretty good? um 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Did you have anything in the kitchen called a safe? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: Did ya? uh-huh 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: And what was that like? uh Was that just kind of a cabinet or 503: Yes sir. It's uh more cabinet than anything else I guess. Uh it wasn't just a called a safe and uh it was built on the to the wall Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: cabinet. Interviewer: Did it have metal or in it? Or not? uh 503: Yes sir. Some of us has. Now I've got a I've got an old safe there now. I think it's metal all over. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: The back and all. and uh Interviewer: On the outside or the inside? uh 503: Outside I think. Interviewer: Outside. 503: and uh It's it's metal all over and got uh metal legs on it you know. Interviewer: mm-hmm How about the uh bedrooms would you tell me uh uh what the beds were like and what you had what you kept your clothes in things #1 like that? uh # 503: #2 Well # we had uh an old wardrobe there for a long time that uh sit up in one corner. It's still there. and We'd keep our clothes hanging up in that. And the closets together to the steps you know. Interviewer: mm-hmm Oh I #1 see # 503: #2 {X} # Interviewer: A closet underneath the steps? uh 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: here. uh-huh 503: Yeah both of it both the steps was rolled up in the closet there just like that door there. Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh did the uh Did your wife have a place and a piece of furniture with a mirror or anything? 503: Yes sir. Yes she she had some of them too that's that's what you called a dresser. Interviewer: That was a dresser? And the wardrobe then was one of these big uh 503: One of these big things we always told 'em that uh shelf there. Interviewer: uh-huh About uh eight eight feet high? 503: Yeah. Yeah it's it's eight ten feet high it's it's just uh about that much going into the loft #1 in that room. # Interviewer: #2 Oh I see. # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh-huh And how about the beds? um What did you um what did you use for a mattress and things like that? 503: Well Interviewer: Uh when you were 503: We used uh used to use a old straw mattress. We'd get wheat straw it was in the spring you know if you need it and uh make a new mattress. Until they got to where they could buy 'em you know? and so After they got to where they could buy 'em uh kinda done away with those old straw mattresses. Interviewer: mm-hmm did you uh {NW} Did you sleep on this on a straw then? uh 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: And you'd redo it every spring? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: {X} 503: Well we used to have feather beds you know. and uh You'd just sleep sleep on them feather beds in the winter time especially at night. Hell I slept on them through the summer. Interviewer: uh-huh and um What would you keep over you to keep uh warm? 503: Quilts. Interviewer: Quilts? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh 503: Bed spreads. Such as that. Interviewer: uh Kind of a bed spread in the summer? and quilt in the win- #1 ter- # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: -s? uh-huh 503: That's right. A sheet in the summer. And a sheet maybe most of the time between you and the cover. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: In the winter time. Interviewer: and How about the uh pillows? How were What were they made out of? 503: They were made out of feathers. Now you pillows was made out of other stuff. but uh We always used the feather pillows. Interviewer: mm-hmm Never used cotton very much for anything? uh 503: Sir? Interviewer: You never used cotton 503: #1 No. # Interviewer: #2 for # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: No not very much. Interviewer: How about the uh one of those long things that co- that covered the whole bed that you'd use? Some people I guess slept on 'em some people just used them for {X} 503: That is that is a bedspread I imagine. Interviewer: Well this was uh kind of a roll. and it It'd be where the pillows were. {NS} 503: That was a bolster. Interviewer: Bolster? 503: Bolster. Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: They uh there used to be a lot of 'em. Interviewer: Was that uh mostly 503: it'd be long. Interviewer: uh-huh Aux Speaker 2: {X} Interviewer: I didn't catch that. Aux Speaker 2: Could you tell me where you buy your tags at for your car? Interviewer: Do you know where they buy tags for their cars? 503: Right up there in the front. The first door but they're closed today. Aux Speaker 2: They be closed on Saturday? 503: Closed on every Saturday. You could get 'em Monday. Aux Speaker 2: Monday? {NS} Interviewer: um Did did you use this bolster or was it mostly to look good? 503: Oh yeah you you could use it. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Other folks used it to sleep on Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and pillow too maybe. Interviewer: Oh I see. 503: Yeah. Interviewer: I see. Both of 'em hmm? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh um Did you ever when you were a boy where did you spend most of the time with the family say uh in the winter? Did you have one room where the whole family would be? 503: Yeah. Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh Do you happen to remember what you'd call that? uh 503: Well they'd just uh the room in there with the fireplace I reckon. Where the fire was. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 Living # Interviewer: #2 Did you ever # 503: room I reckon and a bedroom too. Interviewer: uh-huh Did you ever hear that called a {D: a big room?} 503: Yeah. Yeah I've heard it called that. Interviewer: {D: Big room.} 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # That's that's the one place where everybody 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh could be. 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # And in the uh You had a couch when you were first married in the living room. uh Did you have did you ever use uh Any other words for that uh come to mind? 503: Well I can't remember. Interviewer: uh uh What I'm interested in is uh a lot of people call them today uh davenports and sofas and things like that that I'm wondering if you uh remember using. 503: No. uh It's just I think they was just called couch them #1 days. # Interviewer: #2 Couch? # uh #1 huh # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: I guess these are these words are you know fashionable. 503: {NW} Interviewer: uh In this L here the roof must have come down like this right? 503: It did. Interviewer: and 503: Yeah. Interviewer: What did you call this place where the rain would fall down? uh 503: Uh that's a gutter. Interviewer: That's the gutter? uh-huh Where the two where the roof 503: mm-hmm Interviewer: joins? 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Like # that. Did you ever catch the rain and uh 503: No uh you could uh always put a piece of tin gutter tin that that place you know that uh water come down from each place {NS} and uh keep it from going under your boards. {D: Shim it} the roof with what you Interviewer: uh-huh 503: had. Interviewer: Then you'd uh would you catch the water down uh as it fell off #1 Well # 503: #2 the roof? uh # {NW} if you wanted to catch it you could catch it. If you didn't well just let it go on the ground. Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh How did you keep the light from coming in? Did you have something over the windows? 503: Oh yeah. Shades. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Curtains or something like that. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh let's see Oh and I wanted to ask you uh If somebody came and to visit and uh you didn't have a bed for them uh how would they sleep? Where would they 503: Well they'd they'd {X} always had beds #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 I see. # uh-huh 503: Extra beds ya know. Interviewer: {D: Probably.} When uh when a boy uh fell into a bed in the summer uh that might be too hot you might want to make his bed on the floor. um 503: He'd he'd put him a quilt down there and get down there on the floor. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Call it a pallet. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: {NW} Interviewer: It was kind of a treat was it? 503: Yeah I've slept on them anywheres. Pallet that a way. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # Something different. uh 503: Yeah. Interviewer: You mentioned uh putting barrels down in the ground for the milk uh did you ever hear anybody call that uh Did you have a place called a dairy? uh 503: No I don't think that was uh that. A dairy I thought was uh a place where you milk a lot of cows. {C: tape speed and audio quality changes over next two speaker turns} {Sometimes would they keep filling it} {Well if they mighta had that I don't know about that but uh.} {No my my my wife had where we could always keep it in the kitchen and store them together you see.} Interviewer: {uh-huh} {The thing I was interested in was uh uh} {a kitchen a closet or a pantry or something like that?} 503: Yeah. Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: They they's been a lot of them as as far as that's concerned. Interviewer: uh-huh Which which one uh which word would you use? uh 503: Kitchen pantry I guess. Interviewer: Uh which would be an extra room? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh mm-hmm How did uh How did your wife uh oh keep the house clean? uh How did she uh 503: Well she used a broom. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: Broom at that time. And a mop after it got to where you could get mops. Interviewer: uh-huh Mostly sweep up? uh 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: Broom. Where did she keep the broom? uh 503: Sir? Interviewer: When she wasn't using the broom where did she keep it? 503: She kept it up it one of the corners room uh. In the house. Somewhere. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh Would you tell me uh best you can remember how did she keep your clothes clean? uh 503: Well #1 she'd uh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # and soap right? uh 503: #1 Yeah. Oh yeah. # Interviewer: #2 use her own soap? # uh-huh 503: uh We were first married 'course there wasn't no such thing as washing machines at that time and you'd uh I'd built a fire out in the yard a million a million a times and drawed water and filled up the pot to get hot water you know to wash with. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and then uh She'd do that washing with a tub and old wash board. Scrub 'em you know. {NW} Interviewer: Sounds like a lot of work. 503: Well it it was. It was. Sure. Interviewer: How did uh she get the soap out when she she'd scrub the soap in? 503: She she'd wring 'em. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: uh Wrench 'em I mean and uh wrang 'em out. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: It all would come out. Interviewer: mm-hmm and {NW} Did you use that soap to uh wash your face with? or 503: No No uh The tortoise soap's what you'd use to wash your face with and this here was P and G soap I imagine. Interviewer: uh-huh uh-huh The uh lye soap would be pretty 503: Yeah. Interviewer: pretty rough on your skin. 503: Well that's that's what's {X} run through the ashes you know and make soap. I've I've done it many a time. I've I've poured water in it. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: 'Course it done the soap making. Interviewer: and uh I meant to ask you uh how did you keep the rain out from coming in the house? Did you have uh 503: #1 Well it had a # Interviewer: #2 to keep your # 503: had a roof over it you know. Interviewer: {X} What did you have on the roof? um did you have to Did you make your shingles? or 503: Well lotta folks did. #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: and then uh We bought some Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: shingles and roofing. Interviewer: did you um You you could just uh uh well I don't know how to say it but uh you could just chop out shingles? Is that uh 503: No you had to That that was called boards at that time. Interviewer: Oh? 503: You had a fool and a little mallet. Made out of wood you know and so you'd stick that board that piece of timber down here and then get your length of the uh width the uh board you wanted and then uh you'd you'd slap it down and then you'd put it down then and uh. The D: frow} had uh had a handle on it you see about that long and you'd catch hold a that and rip that board on down. Interviewer: Oh I see how it is. 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Pull 'em up # then. 503: mm-hmm Interviewer: uh-huh 503: And a lotta folks used that. Some folks used shingles and some used tin. Interviewer: mm-hmm and {NW} the uh Where'd you go to the bathroom in the old days? uh 503: Out Interviewer: #1 um # 503: #2 Out # the barn a toilet one. {NW} Interviewer: Did you have any uh any joking uh the words for for the toilet? uh You know. 503: Little boys' room. #1 Something like that. # Interviewer: #2 Little boys' room? # 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh Some people I guess call it a privy and 503: Yeah. Interviewer: and uh Anything else comes to mind? uh 503: No. That's only the toilet. hmm The little boys' room #1 something like that. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # uh-huh and uh how did you um How did you get your light to see by at night uh? 503: Well you had {D: coal oil} lamps and set 'em on the table. Just take the chimney off and light that lamp. Interviewer: uh-huh Now did the lamps have um have a mantle or did they have a wick? uh 503: They have a wick. Interviewer: I see. 503: Just turn it up you know and just just had a little screw thing on there and you'd turn it up you know. High as you want it. Interviewer: I see. And the more wick that came up #1 the brighter the # 503: #2 mm-hmm Oh yeah. # Interviewer: I see. 503: Well you get it up too high and it'd smoke the chimney. Interviewer: Oh. so You'd have to have just a certain 503: Yeah. Interviewer: {D: pop the wick out.} When you first got electric um what did you call uh the things that you put in the in the ceiling? uh 503: uh Electric globe. Interviewer: Globe? uh-huh And then later on you started to s- to say uh uh you say today. You don't call 'em globes anymore you call them bulbs right? 503: Bulbs. Yeah. Interviewer: Same thing. 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Same thing. Interviewer: Now that's interesting. 503: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: they were the same thing. Interviewer: and uh uh Would you tell me what you'd keep uh what you'd milk into and what you'd keep water in and what you'd keep the scraps from the table in for the #1 hogs? uh # 503: #2 Well # you could uh we had a always had a milk bucket for milk and a water bucket for water. Interviewer: What were what were they made out of? uh 503: They were made out of wood uh some of them and some of them was made out of metal. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: and uh You kept a what you call a slop bucket for the hogs. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: It'd stay kinda greasy all the time Interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # 503: #2 in- # -side and out. {NW} Interviewer: I think you said um that uh you fed the hogs when you were trying to uh so you would fatten 'em up 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 is it? # You kept 'em in a pen? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: and then you'd You had those uh along the or inside the pen where where you put or how would you empty the slop bucket? uh 503: Well you'd just uh have a trough made there. And just uh pour your slop bucket over in there. Your slop. Pour it in there from out uh From uh outside you'd pour it over the fence or you could have it trough sticking out a little bit and the plant come up to that you know to stop up the hole. and uh You could have a trough sticking out a little bit and you could pour it in there. Interviewer: {X} #1 {X} # 503: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: {X} mm-hmm and uh the {NS} You mentioned a pot in the yard that used to uh used to get the water hot for washing. uh How would your wife boil water in the stove? What would she use? 503: {NW} Well she'd uh put the tea kettle on that's what you call it and uh {NS} fill it up full of water and put it a while the stove. Interviewer: mm-hmm Did you have a was that kettle something that would set down in the uh 503: Well yeah. #1 It uh it # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: could do it or you could set it on top of it. Now these uh electric and gas stoves you just gotta {D: place 'course they knows} old than it then you'd set it on top. Interviewer: mm-hmm and 503: But that old wood stove {X} you know. You picked up and set 'em over here and then set that down in there. Interviewer: Right down in the 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh I see. uh What did you use to fry eggs in? 503: A skillet. Interviewer: uh-huh Do you ever remember anything a skillet with uh legs on it? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh Is that right? Would you tell me about that. 503: That uh that uh wasn't called a a skillet I don't think to fry eggs with. That was uh mostly I forgot now what you call 'em. But anyway you'd bake bake potatoes on the fireplace on that. Interviewer: I see. uh Does uh a Dutch oven or anything like that sound familiar? 503: No. Interviewer: uh Spider? or 503: Skillet. Skillet and legs I mean uh top is all I I remember. Interviewer: uh-huh I think some people uh call that an oven and some people call that a spider. 503: #1 Well they coulda done it I don't remember. # Interviewer: #2 {X} uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: The oven is uh is inside the stove you know. That's where you cook your biscuits. Interviewer: uh-huh Well I guess this was uh this was one of the first ovens. Early idea of an oven and they put it in the #1 fireplace. # 503: #2 mm-hmm. Yeah. # Interviewer: By the way did you ever um did your uh wife's mother or grandmother I wonder did they ever make uh some hoe cake and put it in the 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: Would they put it in the {X}? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: What would they call that? uh 503: Just hoe hash hoe cake. Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 503: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: And did you did you ever eat any 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: They tell me it was very 503: {X} Was good. Interviewer: uh-huh wood ashes #1 {X} # 503: #2 yeah that's right. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: That's interesting. um Did you have that when you were a boy or did you 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # your own? 503: Well I think that my wife made a few since we've since we've been married. Interviewer: Did she? 503: #1 I think so. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # {X} I'd like to try that sometime. 503: {NW} Interviewer: uh Do you remember uh putting anything in a nest? uh Fool a hen suppose a hen 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh What was that? uh 503: That was a what you call a nest egg. You could buy one. Or several of those. As many as you wanted. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: And put that in that and the old hen would think that was an egg you know and she'd lay an egg again. {NS} Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. 503: {NW} Interviewer: um If if you bought them what were they called? Were those china? 503: Nest eggs I think. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: I think that's what you call 'em. Interviewer: and uh When you had a a barrel uh say full of molasses and you had something on it to churn uh uh to drain out the molasses 503: Yeah. Interviewer: Do you remember what that was uh {NS} 503: No. uh You put them barrels I mean molasses in the barrel and you could uh cut out a little piece of leather and tack over that the spout you know and that that would save the 'lasses then from running down. the barrel. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: And draw 'em in the container then you wanted to put 'em in. Interviewer: So {NW} if you y- did you ever have a handle on that spout? Churn? 503: I don't think I have. Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh in the uh Do you ever use the word uh spicket or spigot? uh uh How about faucet? uh 503: Faucets. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: uh The {NW} dishes uh I wanted to ask you about this. uh Different kinds of sacks that you remember. uh uh Somebody told me that they used to buy flour in uh cloth sacks. 503: Well we talked about that up on the other day you know. Interviewer: Yes uh I forgot to ask you did uh they ever use use a cloth sack to uh do dishes? or 503: Oh yeah. Yes sir. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Make dish rags out of 'em. uh Anything you know uh that a way. Interviewer: uh-huh uh that's uh I wanted to mention that the other day and and uh 503: Lotta folks since they started making 'em flours you know? uh They save 'em and piece 'em up and make a dress out of 'em. Interviewer: mm-hmm So uh it was pretty good #1 pretty good quality and # 503: #2 mm-hmm Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: If a w- if a woman uh huh would like to stay in front of the mirror and and try to make herself 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh What would you say? uh She spends an awful lot of time what? 503: Trying to prep up. Interviewer: #1 Prep up? # 503: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: And uh if a man uh was very proud of the way he looked uh what would you say? You wouldn't say prep up but a man would 503: He was a stuck up dude. Interviewer: #1 I see. # 503: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: uh And a woman would uh wear what over her uh over her dress? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: To keep it clean? what 503: That is called a apron. Interviewer: Did it come all the way up or 503: Yeah. Well some of them had a bib you know. #1 And some of them # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: tie around the waist. But a lot of them had a bib ya hear. And uh straps across the shoulders. Interviewer: mm-hmm I wanted to ask you also uh now that's how a woman worked. uh How did uh what kinda clothes would a man in the old days 503: Just about during the time they'd {X} {NW} Interviewer: Did you uh Did you ever hear the word jeans used 503: Jeans? #1 Yes sir. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh So that's not something that just came in the last few years? 503: Oh no I don't think so. uh Jeans jean britches have been uh speak of as long as I can #1 remember. # Interviewer: #2 Is that right? # uh-huh but uh Most of the time you'd wear what over your 503: Overalls and jumpers Interviewer: Jumpers? 503: is what uh we used to wear. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Most of 'em do now. Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh When you went to church uh how did you dress up? 503: Well you'd put on your best you had {NW} most of the time. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: 'Course a lotta times you know lotta folks would just wear their knockabout clothes you know? and and uh They'd uh put on their Sunday suit maybe to go to church. Interviewer: mm-hmm did you uh Would you then was a suit uh three pieces? or 503: Well. Long years ago it was. Interviewer: It was? 503: You hardly can get three pieces now. Interviewer: #1 uh-huh # 503: #2 I don't think. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: and uh The three pieces would be called a 503: Vest Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and a coat and a pair of pants. Interviewer: The vest would button? 503: Yes. Interviewer: {X} #1 How did you keep # 503: #2 uh # Interviewer: your pants up? uh 503: We wore galluses. Interviewer: Galluses? 503: Suspenders. Interviewer: uh-huh No you didn't have belts 503: No. Interviewer: What it mostly uh #1 galluses # 503: #2 uh # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: and uh how much um How much would uh would it cost you to get vice your Sunday best? uh 503: Well I I don't know hardly. I I imagine 'round twenty-five or thirty dollars. You could get a set of clothes. Interviewer: The wool and #1 all three # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: pieces? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Long time ago but then 'course you couldn't do that now. Interviewer: Yeah, uh Did the women carry something to keep the sun off uh 503: What you call an umbrella. Interviewer: mm-hmm That was used for sun as well as #1 rain. # 503: #2 Yeah. # Yeah. Interviewer: and uh How would a woman carry small coins? How what would she put them in? uh She have regular #1 billfold? or # 503: #2 Sh- # -she put them in a billfold and uh hand stacked together. Interviewer: mm-hmm They you didn't use the word purse? uh 503: Well yeah. Used a purse. Interviewer: uh-huh and What would she wear on Sunday? uh Say around her neck or around her wrist? uh 503: Well she'd have a bracelet on a necklace one. Maybe. Interviewer: Did folks ever talk about a pair of beads? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: Now is is that how how would they uh 503: Well I believe it's uh I believe it's two different beads that go around your neck. And one of them may be a little longer than the other one and hanging down a little lower. Interviewer: I see. 503: I believe that's the way it was. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: I never did fool with them much. {NW} Interviewer: uh-huh and if um If you bought a new shirt and uh took it out your wife boil it to keep it clean sometimes it would what? uh 503: Well they could always tell when it was standing boiling or not and how much boiling. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and uh You used to put more starch in them than you do now. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: #1 and uh # Interviewer: #2 Would uh # Wh- when they were new if you boiled 'em then you couldn't get the {D: colors} what would uh 503: Well that that'd draw it up. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Then drawed up then. Interviewer: mm-hmm I suppose that'd happen pretty often. 503: Well it did. Sometimes. Interviewer: And if you uh had uh your pocket full of uh all kinds of things some little kid might say uh what do you got in your pocket? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: They're all what? uh Pockets are all 503: Pushed out. Interviewer: uh-huh You'd say pushed out or pulled out? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh I wonder we talked about uh the meat that you had the other day but I didn't get a chance to ask you about which how are what you used uh the milk for. How did you get um did you drink the milk or store it? What would you use milk for? um Did you make anything like clabber or 503: Oh yeah. Interviewer: uh uh 503: Yes sir. I've drank a million glasses a clabber. Interviewer: uh-huh how you 503: They'd uh set it up you know to clabber and then they'd cool it and after {X} Interviewer: mm-hmm Right after you'd uh milk what would you do with the milk to get uh anything out of that? 503: Well you'd strain it. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: You'd uh pour it down another bucket and have a strainer over that and strain it. Interviewer: Well that was that strainer cloth? or uh 503: No uh well a lotta times it was and a lotta times it was metal. Interviewer: So it was a metal? 503: mm-hmm Interviewer: uh-huh and {NW} then you'd uh uh let it set and then the clabber 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: uh And then how about uh did you ever make any cottage cheese? uh Your wife 503: Well I don't I don't know if we ever made any. I've heard of it. Interviewer: uh-huh and After uh you made some butter and you kept it too long and it didn't taste good you'd say well that butter is what? uh 503: Too old. Interviewer: Too old? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: Rancid? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: That milk would clabber you know and then churn it. Put it in a big churn and uh have it dashing you know. With uh top with a hole in it that that that handle would come up through and just sit there and churn it. And it'd get your butter. And then take a spoon or a paddle one and get your butter out up out of it. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and then uh Put your butter in place and uh your milk in another. Interviewer: mm-hmm Is that a boy's job? to 503: No well yeah I've I've done it many a time. {NW} Interviewer: that's probably uh 503: Then it could be both woman and boy. {NW} Interviewer: Kinda tiresome I suppose. 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: How did you used to uh eat your eggs? How did you 503: I always wanted mine {D: done} {D: dumped} Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Lotta folks want them straight up. Interviewer: Did you uh boil 'em or poach 'em? or 503: Yeah. I've eat 'em all three ways. Interviewer: uh-huh Did they uh When they poach an egg how did they used to do that? Did they just drop it? uh 503: I think so. Interviewer: Think so? 503: Yeah just in some water I think. Interviewer: uh-huh uh 503: And you boil them you'd put them in a tea kettle boil 'em over you know? Let it boil. Interviewer: If you poached them uh uh how would how would they come out? What would 503: They would come out just about half and half I would guess. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: I think I can't eat 'em that a way. {NW} Interviewer: The uh you like the uh the white pretty stiff and the 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: And how about the inside? 503: The inside done too. Interviewer: uh-huh Was all the inside yellow or 503: Yellow. Interviewer: mm-hmm and You don't uh you don't like 'em 503: No I don't. {NW} Interviewer: um I didn't get a chance to talk to you very much about uh corn meal the other day. We you explain how you'd take it in to the crisp mill and uh um I think you said what? About a bushel? 503: Bout yeah a bushel a bushel a peck or you which you wanna care Interviewer: uh-huh And I wanted to ask you more about uh about corn meal and what uh your wife or your mother anything you remember that they used to make out of it. uh 503: Well they used to make corn bread for one thing and then butter cakes I think for another. Corn bread butter cakes. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: And ranch and your chicken dressing you always had to have corn bread for that you know. Interviewer: mm-hmm uh I don't think uh I don't think I mentioned the other day uh corn dodgers? Did I uh 503: Well I I never had much experience with them Interviewer: mm-hmm Or corn dumplings? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh Would you ever would you have those with greens? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: Corn dumplings. 503: Yeah you could uh you could make that uh dumplings and uh eat them with most anything you wanted to I guess. Interviewer: mm-hmm It's interesting uh how in different parts of the country they've 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 got different # names #1 for the # 503: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: same thing. uh You had you had hush puppies here right? uh 503: Yeah I think so I've I've heard them talked about but I don't ever eat 'em. Interviewer: uh You don't? mm-hmm Did you have many mush? 503: I've heard of that mentioned too around here. Interviewer: But you don't have to 503: No. Interviewer: care for that? And if you bake some bread out of flour uh what did your wife call that? uh 503: Biscuits or light bread either one. And uh hoe cake. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: That's just where ya just put it all together you know and make a hoe cake and put it on the skillet and put it on turn it over you know. Let it cook on good and done. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: That's called a hoe cake. Interviewer: You uh I guess most people like biscuit better than light bread. 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: mm-hmm {X} 503: Yeah I think so. Aux Speaker 3: Morning. 503: How ya doing? Aux Speaker 3: {X} 503: Pretty fair. Interviewer: and uh did did um Do you remember anything that they used to bake that was sweet? uh Like doughnuts? or or uh 503: Yeah. uh They they make doughnuts sometimes now. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: But then you buy 'em most of the time. Interviewer: mm-hmm Would they have something uh came in a deep dish with apples? uh Peaches something like that? 503: Well yeah. uh A bowl or something like that that you could put uh apples or peaches or something like that in. Interviewer: I was wondering did you ever have much cobbler? Did you ever call it cobbler? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: Apple cobbler? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh And that was baked was it uh kinda like a pie? 503: That's right. That's right. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: You put it all together and then put your bread in there with it and uh cook it. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: Cobbler. Cobbler. Interviewer: uh fish Do you like uh 503: Sir? Interviewer: What kind of fish do you like? uh 503: I don't like any. {NW} Interviewer: So you never went fishing right? 503: No well I used to when I was growing up I stayed on a branch or creek one all the time but uh then I never did eat 'em. Interviewer: I see. 503: {NW} Interviewer: What did you used to catch? uh 503: We'd catch the perch we called 'em. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Just little branch went down in front of the house little creek down below us one. Interviewer: uh-huh What did you use for bait? 503: Worms. Fish and worms. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: Get out there and dig my bait and go fishing. Interviewer: Did uh people ever use these uh little look like fish about so big? 503: Well I have heard of 'em use 'em. That's minnows. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: They they use a lot of 'em now. Interviewer: uh 503: But I I never did Interviewer: You never did. Used mostly worms? uh 503: No. Interviewer: uh-huh Did you ever um have uh anything from the sea like uh lobster or anything like that? uh 503: Well uh I don't uh {NS} I don't fool with none a that stuff uh I've heard people say they did Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: have lobster for dinner maybe. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: But uh I don't want none of that. {NW} Interviewer: Well if you don't like fish you don't like 503: #1 No. # Interviewer: #2 oysters. # or uh uh Did Did you uh did When you were a boy did they ever get anything uh that they call a shrimp now? A little orange thing you know uh like a half moon? Maybe oh about the size of my little finger. 503: I don't remember. Interviewer: uh-huh I uh I didn't think that they were around here but over by the river I guess they they had some. 503: How are you lady? Aux Speaker 4: {X} {B} 503: No I haven't. Aux Speaker 4: See his car right there and I usually know he was here #1 but I didn't see it none. # 503: #2 {NW} # Aux Speaker 4: Thank you. 503: He's not in his office? {NS} Interviewer: uh You remember a bone like that and chicken that you'd 503: Yeah. Interviewer: What'd you #1 call that? # 503: #2 Call it a # pully-bone. Interviewer: Pully-bone? 503: {X} Aux Speaker 5: This door was blocking it. {NS} Interviewer: and uh I think I asked you yes about uh {D: hassel} and you said you didn't the inside of the hogs 503: mm-hmm Interviewer: you didn't use that? 503: No. Interviewer: {NW} What did you uh grow in the garden? 503: Well we'd grow a lotta things. Different things. Tomatoes and peen and beans and butter beans and string beans and cabbage first onions and radishes and salad mustard. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: Just most anything you wanted. Interviewer: the uh You had okra I suppose? uh 503: Yeah. Interviewer: You had okra? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: and uh uh I was wondering if a tomato grows grows wild just comes back up and it's real small like that what do people call that? uh Somebody said that was they used call that a tommy toe. 503: I reckon it is I don't really #1 know. # Interviewer: #2 Did you use that? uh # 503: I don't remember. Interviewer: It's an interesting name for it #1 uh a tommy toe. # 503: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: and What kinda potatoes did you grow? uh 503: {D: highst} potatoes and sweet potatoes. Interviewer: Oh? 503: #1 Yes. # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Was this word yam ever used uh for sweet potato? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: uh Is that a different kind? or um 503: Yeah I guess it is. I think it is. Interviewer: mm-hmm And you never uh you d- you don't grow any uh any rice here do you? 503: No. Interviewer: Where is the closest place? uh 503: I don't don't really know Interviewer: uh-huh 503: {D: where there is rice.} Interviewer: Guess you gotta have uh #1 a lot of water # 503: #2 You got- # -ta have a lot of lotta rain and water for that I think. Interviewer: mm-hmm How did you eat corn? did you 503: {NW} Well uh you'd go to {D: feeding and roasting that time come in and uh} pull you off some corn and get the hull off and shuck it and Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: women folks then would cut it off the cob and cook it and a lotta times just brought it on the cob you know. Interviewer: mm-hmm What did you pull and what did you call that stuff you had to pull off #1 and # 503: #2 Shucks. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: and {NW} at the end that uh red stuff at the end of the cob 503: Well that's uh that's just called the end of the uh {D: roast now I reckon.} Interviewer: uh-huh 503: How ya doing? Aux Speaker 6: Just fine. How ya doing? 503: {X} Interviewer: uh uh What I was uh wondering is uh is that silk or tossel 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 or that uh # 503: That's that's silk. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: And at the top of the the corn stalk Tossel. Interviewer: That's that's a tossel? 503: mm-hmm {NS} Interviewer: And how about things uh out in the woods that uh that uh grow about so big and it's got a cap and and stalk on it? uh Maybe you never liked it uh some people like 'em a real lot or 503: No I don't. I don't like 'em. Interviewer: Did you ever eat mushrooms? uh 503: I reckon it's mushrooms. Interviewer: uh-huh did you eat But you never ate any? 503: No sir. {D: No I never ate any.} Interviewer: If they're poisonous what did what did you used to #1 call them? # 503: #2 I don't # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 503: #2 I don't know. # Interviewer: Good to eat their mushrooms and some people say if they're uh poisonous then you call them toadstools. 503: Yeah. Interviewer: How about uh different melons? uh that you remember? 503: Well I don't remember much about the different kinds that they're called I know that they're food but they had many of 'em. There was different names for 'em and mush melon and watermelon was all I {X} Interviewer: How about squash? uh 503: Yeah. There's they's a lotta squash gr- growed around here but I don't ever eat it. Interviewer: Did they ever call that uh {D: simalin?} 503: Not that I know of. Interviewer: uh-huh In east Tennessee they seem to to call squash {D: simalin.} uh 503: uh Maybe it's just one of the squash around here all of the time. Interviewer: And the uh big orange things that kids like at Halloween? What uh Ya ever grow them? 503: No. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: {NW} Interviewer: Did uh you drink coffee uh when you were a boy? uh 503: No sir. Interviewer: I think you said you did you were married weren't you? 503: Yes #1 sir. # Interviewer: #2 Were you # uh had any had any coffee? 503: Oh yeah. Yeah uh I used to {NS} When I was growing up I drank it I think I drank some coffee but I got off that onto milk and I drank milk a long time after we was married. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: Three times a day. Interviewer: #1 Three times a day? # 503: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: um And I think I mentioned that uh somebody told me that if you drink your milk without or uh drink coffee without any milk or sugar you call that barefoot. I was wondering did you #1 ever hear that? # 503: #2 {NW} # Bare. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: uh Straight. Something like that. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: uh I always put sugar in my coffee I don't ever use no cream. Interviewer: mm-hmm and uh Whiskey that's uh homemade uh what did you used to call that? Homemade whiskey. 503: {D: Homemade Canada} Interviewer: uh whiskey 503: Whiskey? Interviewer: Homemade whiskey. 503: Oh yeah. Interviewer: What did you call that? um 503: White uh white whiskey. Interviewer: White whiskey? 503: Bootleg. {NW} Interviewer: You ever call it uh white mule? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: White mule? 503: Yeah it's been called that too. Interviewer: Had some kick to it huh? 503: That's right. Interviewer: Different kinds of nuts uh and berries that you remember? 503: Well. uh There's blackberries and strawberries {NW} blueberries about all I know. Dewberry. Interviewer: Dewberry? uh-huh and uh 503: Hello brother. Interviewer: uh kind of uh nuts uh Did you grow your own peanuts? 503: No. well Well I have growed 'em a few times not many times. Interviewer: mm-hmm Is there a difference between peanuts and goobers? 503: I think it same thing. Interviewer: Same thing? yeah mm-hmm Did you used to call 'em goobers? 503: Yes sir. {NS} Interviewer: how about uh walnuts? uh 503: Walnuts growed on trees. Interviewer: uh-huh did you black uh 503: Yeah. Interviewer: walnuts? You remember as a boy uh they used remember if I remember they were about so big right and green? 503: Well they're smaller than that just a little. But uh they've grow with a {D: crush} and I mean a hush over and you'd peel that off and then get to the hull in. It's got the walnut on the inside of that. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh pecans? Did you ever have any did you grow much of them? 503: No. Interviewer: I guess it's too far north to {X} get some big uh 503: Pecans you talking about? Interviewer: Yeah. 503: Oh yeah yeah I I growed some of them. uh They grow on trees too. I got a good tall tree {X} Interviewer: Oh have you? 503: and uh it uh Don't take too good care of it so sometimes they're good and sometimes they're not. Interviewer: did uh Did people ever used to have a whole old twenty fifty trees? uh peaches uh 503: Yes sir.