503: But I know about where it's at I think. Interviewer: um {X} I'll watch for it. 503: Well I I I don't think you can see it from the road. Interviewer: Oh. uh huh What does he grow? What what kinda trees are they? 503: few different kinds I think. Interviewer: Oh. mm-hmm 503: Yes Interviewer: uh When they when you used to grow uh did you ever grow fruit uh to sell? 503: No Interviewer: {X} 503: No I never did grow any to sell. Interviewer: mm-hmm What kinda peaches did you uh 503: Alberta was {NS} one we always liked. Interviewer: {X} {NW} With the Alberta can you 503: Yeah. Interviewer: can you just uh 503: Just burst 'em open Interviewer: uh huh 503: get the s- seed out. Interviewer: And the meat doesn't stick to the 503: uh-uh Interviewer: the seed? What do you call the kind where the meat uh you know sticks right to the seed? 503: I don't know what kind that is {X} That it's a lemon peach. Interviewer: #1 Lemon peach? # 503: #2 Now # lemon peach might do that. Interviewer: uh huh Did you ever hear that called a press peach? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: Is that what uh 503: uh I've heard of it called a press peach. Interviewer: Or a plum peach? uh 503: Plum peach. Interviewer: or uh You see somebody else out of {X} pick one peach I think? uh 503: I don't know. Interviewer: and uh Do you remember having any cherries around? uh 503: Well there's been a few. uh we never did fool with them {NW} Interviewer: You you didn't? mm-hmm And the uh thing inside the cherry is is a 503: I don't know too much about cherries. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: I never do eat 'em any. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 You don't? # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and uh The apples? How about them? 503: Well they they grow on trees too. Interviewer: Any around this area? 503: Yes sir. There there's some people got 'em. There's not too many. I think there's one in town. That's got a orchard maybe. Apple orchard. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: But I don't know what kind they are. Interviewer: Do you remember uh uh drying fruit? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: Would you tell me about that? uh 503: Well. You used to peel apples and cut them up in slices. and uh Put 'em on a clean cloth and put them up on top of the house and let 'em dry out. {X} Interviewer: uh-huh Would you uh take the inside out? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: And then cut it up? 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 How # big would the pieces be? uh 503: Well it it wouldn't be very large. but apples were the most we ever done that a way. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: And just kinda cut 'em up I imagine. Interviewer: mm-hmm Would your wife make anything for uh to put on bread um out of apples 503: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 or # fruit? uh 503: uh She used to make apple pie and such as that. Interviewer: but I I wonder uh to put on bread to spread on bread uh would she make anything out of apples? or 503: No. I don't #1 I don't # Interviewer: #2 Like a # preserve #1 or a # 503: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 503: #2 But yeah. # Have uh apple preserves. She'd uh would make that sometimes. Interviewer: uh huh how about 503: pear preserves. Interviewer: Pear preserves? She'd make a jelly out of anything? 503: Yeah. Interviewer: Out of apples? or 503: No I think she'd make it out of peanuts Interviewer: Oh. 503: You'd cook the peanuts then you know and get all the syrup out of that. And then uh cook it you know and make jelly. Interviewer: I see. Nothing go to waste. 503: Yeah. That's right. Interviewer: uh huh and uh You got sugar maples around here. I I wonder did you ever uh cut into the maple tree and get the sap out and make the 503: No. I never had none a that. Interviewer: uh In New England they they do that uh and make a syrup out of it. But I guess you don't. 503: No. We don't do that here. Interviewer: and uh How old were you when you first remember uh things coming in from Florida or Texas uh like lemons? and 503: {NW} Well. {X} Interviewer: uh huh What what would you uh Who do you remember seeing uh at Christmas? 503: Well. when we first started out were we just hanging stockings up but uh fireplace and most you got then was raw post laundry and candy. Interviewer: uh huh Did uh Speaking of Christmas uh uh What would you say Christmas morning? First thing you'd see somebody you'd say uh what? uh Christmas morning. {NS} 503: Christmas Eve c- uh mean uh Christmas Gift #1 something like that # Interviewer: #2 Christmas gift? # 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and they They'd uh uh I wanted to ask you about uh different games that uh you used to play uh as a child. Did you ever have a oh kind of a horse like this? and then a plank on there? 503: Yes sir. Seesaw. Interviewer: Seesaw? 503: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 How about a # post like that with a plank that would go around? 503: A merry-go-round we'd call it. {NW} Interviewer: and uh A board that would be fixed at both ends and you'd jump on it and it would come back up Remember that? uh 503: Yes. Interviewer: uh huh Call that a jump jumping board? or 503: I ain't sure. I I never did play that much and uh I don't know what it what it what it was called but I've seen it done. Interviewer: Did you boys ever play uh on something you go through? 503: Harp. Fresh harp I called it. Interviewer: Or you'd hold it 503: Yeah. Jigsaw. {NW} Interviewer: Did uh did did you used to uh uh call things toys or play pretties or play things? uh Or what? uh 503: Well that uh I don't know how to call it but uh they used to get toys outta that you know? find uh finally Santa Claus got to come I mean bringing 'em Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: but now but you know you can get 'em all the time here and there {NW} Interviewer: Nothing special? 503: #1 No. # Interviewer: #2 {D: nothing} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh huh I uh I wonder if uh when you were a boy whether you called 'em play pretties? or uh 503: Yeah. Play pretties. Interviewer: uh huh and uh Did you ever uh throw things uh horse shoes when you were 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: uh huh 503: Throw many ones. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 There was a # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # good game huh? 503: Yes sir. Interviewer: I uh I forgot to ask you when we were talking about the horses uh how did you shod them? 503: shod them Interviewer: Yes. 503: Well you'd ju- you'd came to a man and uh it done that the whole time you see and so he would uh fit the shoes on 'em and then lay them on Interviewer: would uh see uh if would heat the shoe I suppose 503: yes Interviewer: and #1 uh # 503: #2 he'd # he'd have to heat that shoe you see to to fit it on him Interviewer: I see and how would he how would he get the shoe on 503: #1 well he'd # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: uh he'd pick his foot up and put him between his legs and hold it with his knees and uh set the pin the shoe down there on his foot when he got it to set and then take his nails in and they would screw and it'd come out stick out about that much and he'd clamp 'em down and break 'em off and then file 'em knock 'em down Interviewer: now then where's the uh the the horse couldn't feel it so long #1 as as uh # 503: #2 no no uh-uh # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: it was the hoof uh 503: had hoof just keeps sh- the feet are numb of it you see Interviewer: I see and uh what how thick would that be about uh 503: well there's something like #1 that a little # Interviewer: #2 something like that # 503: a little closer Interviewer: uh and then you drive 'em you drive 'em out is that right 503: yeah Interviewer: and then and then break 'em off 503: yeah Interviewer: alright 503: that's right Interviewer: your horse wouldn't kick would he 503: #1 no no some of 'em # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: some of 'em Bob Georgie had to tie up #1 {D: 'em and} # Interviewer: #2 {D: did she} # 503: four wheels running right smart Interviewer: they uh do you remember uh an any game that you throw a throw a ball over a house uh 503: Andy over Interviewer: Andy over alright 503: as it's called Interviewer: and how about the hide and seek uh uh would you uh tell me about that uh 503: well it'd be a bunch of boys and girls get together you know and they wanna play hiding well one of 'em shut their eyes and count and the others would go hide so he'd have to go around then and find 'em. Interviewer: and then uh uh were would they come in to a certain place and be safe 503: yeah Interviewer: what was #1 the # 503: #2 if uh # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # they catch him if they went by him well they could run just get to the base where he was at you see #1 and they'd be safe. # Interviewer: #2 I see # oh I see uh-huh how about ball games uh 503: yeah I never did play any only just uh at school but they used to have and do now in places they'd have big ball games I w- I went to used to go to 'em out in the country a whole lot they had 'em on the other side at different places but uh. #1 I don't go much now # TV?: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # TV?: #2 # Interviewer: and uh the uh you ever have any cob fights when you were a boy? uh 503: cob pipes? Interviewer: no cob fights 503: oh yeah yeah Interviewer: uh-huh uh if somebody uh told me that uh that Cindy's boy's down to milk and they wouldn't bring any milk back to speak of and he thought the cow was hurt {D: both their eyes} turns out the boys are having a cob fight {C: what} speaking of uh cob pipes uh uh is that what most people use to 503: that's what they used to use Interviewer: alright 503: that there cotton more oil wrench you know and then uh put a hole through the side and get 'em a cane in and they had 'em a pipe. Interviewer: alright do they grow tobacco here or uh 503: yeah the some few did Interviewer: mm-hmm where would the uh who smoked uh w- what did what did town people smoke uh when they didn't have cob pipes uh would they buy a 503: yeah yeah they'd buy the tobacco yeah Interviewer: alright well what I'm interested in is uh what kind of person would smoke a cigarette what kind of person would smoke a cigar 503: well well we'd call 'em big shots that smoke cigars but I found out that's that's wrong {NW} and uh there's old mayors people you know that smoke cigarettes there's there's a lot of them smoked. Interviewer: uh-huh women never smoked did they uh 503: well they've started to the last few years. Interviewer: but uh when you were a boy uh 503: #1 oh gosh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 oh sure # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # smoke 503: oh sure Interviewer: and uh uh I wanted to ask you some questions about uh going to school uh uh I think the first day we talked you told me a little bit about uh that school didn't uh last very long right 503: #1 no # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: I've forgot now how many months they had school about six to eight I reckon months of the year. Interviewer: and uh uh what did uh how were the students or how were the youngsters uh did they call 'em students or scholars or 503: yeah either one Interviewer: either one and how would they ref- how would the town people talk about the teacher uh or the school 503: well whole lot of children liked this teacher and uh lot of parents if their kid liked her well they'd like her. Interviewer: #1 I see # 503: #2 {D: wh- whoa} # just living Interviewer: do they call her the schoolmarm or 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 school # ma'am or 503: school ma'am Interviewer: uh-huh and if 503: #1 schoolteacher # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: something like that Interviewer: uh-huh if a uh boy started out to school and he didn't make it uh went fishing instead uh what uh 503: he'd play hooky that day Interviewer: I see what would happen to him if he got caught? 503: well teacher wanted uh his parents wanted to uh {D: stin to him.} Interviewer: alright well what would 503: #1 they gave him a # Interviewer: #2 they do to him # 503: talking give him a talking I imagine I imagine most of the time Interviewer: uh-huh what kind of thing uh would uh make a teacher mad enough to get a switch really uh 503: well th- that's been done a whole lot sir Interviewer: but what a thing would uh what would a boy do that uh he'd get that uh 503: well he'd just be uh mean as an she was outraged enough to and she wanted to quiet him down. Interviewer: uh-huh parents wouldn't say anything if she did 503: no you doing all right. auxillary speaker: alright it's fine now 503: #1 that's good {C: lots of background noise} # auxillary speaker: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # auxillary speaker: #2 # Interviewer: did you uh how did you know that uh it was time for you to move on to the next class uh 503: the teacher'd call us Interviewer: alright 503: third grade second grade first grade or something like that. Interviewer: oh I see how did um did you study uh do you remember studying history uh 503: #1 no # Interviewer: #2 very # 503: #1 I # Interviewer: #2 much # 503: never did get that far Mister Jim how are you doing? auxillary speaker : alright {X} 503: {X} {B} auxillary speaker : {X} {B} 503: #1 he's got it tied up # auxillary speaker : #2 {X} # Interviewer: used to be {B} he's telling me how life used to be when he was a boy auxillary speaker : oh okay Interviewer: he's got a fine memory really uh auxillary speaker : who are you with? Interviewer: I'm trying to get some work done toward a book at Emory University publishing about the uh {D: real life people work as uh mechanized} and uh centralized all my life has auxillary speaker : {X} Interviewer: you started uh {X} things like uh where you just reading uh uh did you study any arithmetic or uh 503: well I I studied it a little {NS} Interviewer: what was your uh you mostly from a primer or 503: yeah primer and first reading second reading third reading and rip my tape such as that. Interviewer: how did uh did people uh respect uh uh going to school or how how did they 503: #1 well some of 'em # Interviewer: #2 what attitude did they have # 503: some of 'em liked it pretty good and some of 'em didn't like it too good Interviewer: uh-huh 503: I reckoned to be one of them didn't like it all that much but cause I didn't get nowhere of it. Interviewer: you had to like it or 503: yeah Interviewer: did uh did people talk much about uh getting an an an getting the schooling or #1 education or # 503: #2 they they wouldn't too much # talk about that now they'd at that time it's worse then than it was is now. Interviewer: uh-huh so you weren't actually pushed to go #1 to school # 503: #2 oh no # no we you wasn't actually pushed fact of the business you had to walk or ride one at them days and uh now they come from out that home and further than that town has schools see so they've got whole lot better chance now for education than they had back out when. Interviewer: and they don't have to work now uh the way you did uh 503: mm-mm Interviewer: I suppose you were actually were needed on the farm 503: #1 that's right # Interviewer: #2 so much # #1 and uh # 503: #2 that's right # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: well I wonder if uh you could tell me uh we've talked about child mint now well going to school and playthings and so on uh when you first got interested in girls how did you uh what was courtship like uh tell me about that 503: well I don't know what Interviewer: how would you meet uh how would you meet girls uh at church or 503: well we a went uh church uh party or h- somewhere and another girl'd make you acquainted with her maybe and so uh that's about all to put it to it {NW}. Interviewer: if you uh wanted to to show a girl that you were interested in her would you ask to uh ask her at church if you 503: yeah Interviewer: #1 could uh # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # try to make a date with her and then Interviewer: uh-huh say can I carry you home 503: yeah that's right Interviewer: and uh if you went together pretty steady uh would she be known as your girlfriend then or your #1 sweetheart # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: or how would #1 you say that if # 503: #2 yeah if you had # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # it's what you call a man a girlfriend. Interviewer: how about the other way around what would she call you her 503: her date I #1 guess. # Interviewer: #2 her date # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: #1 I guess so. # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and uh you um you went did you have much uh to do with the dance the dancing and 503: yes they well used to have uh square dances and then they got the round dancing and they got to where they don't have any tow around on 'em now. #1 that's country # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # did you uh meet at a certain uh place for 503: oh yeah yes sir. Interviewer: for the square dance and 503: yeah they used to be several around the neighborhood that'd give uh things for certain nights is holding so that it it tell its round and that's the order you'd to have a crowd there. Interviewer: and uh suppose uh your girlfriend got mad at you and and you s- you asked her if you could marry her and she said no what would folks say she uh she gave him the gate or what would they 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: I imagine that'd be it {NW}. Interviewer: uh anything else come to mind uh if a girl tells a boy {D: to go us there's one of 'em anymore} 503: no I don't think there is. Interviewer: shutting him down or something like that 503: yeah Interviewer: well once they uh once they decided they wanted to live together would you tell me uh uh how you get married? 503: well uh brought up to ask your girl and uh I love you well enough to I think to marry you and do you love me that much and she says maybe or say yes a boy wants it. and if uh if he did well she they would talk about it so they'd finally make up then and go ahead and get married. Interviewer: now would you tell me about the the wedding the how would you how would most people get get 503: #1 well # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: most people back in those times and times have gotten married by George in a horse and buggy as a h- at the house one. Interviewer: sure 503: and um I got married in a horse behind the horse in a b- in a buggy. Interviewer: is that right? 503: and um we went on my my other home my home rather and stayed overnight it well I would have stayed there then 'til well only a month or two and then I moved out to old cell before we get out of the house. Interviewer: did anybody uh was anybody with you during the #1 wedding # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # yeah her brother in law his his wife turned out to be a they was wasn't married at that time but he finally married her. Interviewer: what did you call uh folks who stayed with you during the wedding would uh would you call 'em uh the grooms or the best man or what would they 503: best man I guess that's what you call 'em now and at uh churches you know to have I reckon you'd call him best man. Interviewer: uh I somebody said the old days they used to say uh waiter uh did they ever say that around here uh instead of 503: #1 I I think # Interviewer: #2 best man would you # 503: I've heard of it heard of that. Interviewer: alright so the waiter or wait man 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 some # thing like that and um when the get married and and uh uh begin to think about having children uh we we say today well uh she she's pregnant I wonder what they used to say they didn't 503: #1 well that # Interviewer: #2 say # 503: that's what they said uh used to say I think. Interviewer: pregnant 503: she done got pregnant Interviewer: uh-huh and if a girl got pregnant without the husband what would the child be called 503: that'd be a cord a one out of wedlock. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: and uh one half was daddy you know that he could claim. Interviewer: what uh would they call the child a woods colt or or something like that 503: well I don't know if I ever heard it called that. Interviewer: and uh after you got married I forgot to ask you this uh did did people used to make a big uh kinda party or noisy 503: #1 oh yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh # thing what'd they call it 503: they they uh used to call it uh give 'em a party if it's after he's married if they did it the first night and uh people would used to three or four couple of 'em maybe more but go sit with 'em while at night you know if they were going home stay there. Interviewer: you ever hear of a shivaree 503: a what Interviewer: a shivaree or a there is a reason I ask this is that uh I've been told that that sometimes the uh the friends would give uh a kind of a oh it'd be sort of a joke you know they they'd uh take 'em out on a on a wagon and they'd tie bells to the wagon and and uh uh one time uh fellow told me that that they uh his friends came to his house on the night of his wedding and they took him out there and kept him out all night they call that a I think he said it was a shivaree 503: they uh they used to call something like that a con- I mean a hay hay ride. Interviewer: hay ride 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: and he used to hook up to a wagon and pull it was tract- after a tractor'd come in and uh bunch of 'em get on there you know and go riding. Interviewer: uh-huh but 503: laugh and talk. Interviewer: this uh good fun right 503: yeah Interviewer: if um if they women woman's gonna have a baby did you ever call an old woman in to help 503: #1 yes sir # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and what was she known as 503: she was a granny Interviewer: the granny 503: granny Interviewer: would she stay with the uh with the family for a while or 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: she's she well if it's come off at night well it's maybe she'd spend the night and tend to the baby and and a lot of folks didn't have a doctor at that time you see and so she'd run it and baby born the baby and uh lot of times the they would be there you know where to doctor would come you know. Interviewer: could you uh could you tell me about uh uh children growing up uh let's see you have how many children 503: #1 two # Interviewer: #2 uh # two of 'em uh-huh what kind of uh worries did you have uh in those days about sickness and things like 503: #1 well # Interviewer: #2 that uh # 503: course now anybody got children will whoa being sick anyway Interviewer: alright what kind of illnesses did they have uh 503: well I remember one time my boy being sick and was had pour in hole and uh his face and head had swelled up big enough for two and I brought him to a doctor there and he gave him some medicine for that and uh I don't remember m- what else happened with him along them days Interviewer: did you ever have any uh any malaria around her or 503: #1 yes sir # Interviewer: #2 not uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # did 503: we had some malaria uh don't think either one of them ever had it. Interviewer: what would they give for malaria 503: well quinine and uh camel were big shots that day Interviewer: is that right and once they'd uh and the quinine would break the fever is 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 that uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: uncle Olan how you doing? auxillary speaker: good but about to get out of here 503: probably probably you alright? auxillary speaker: I'm good 503: that's good auxillary speaker: how you been where you been {D: you been on the grass} Interviewer: that's right if uh if a child had uh lost both his parents uh both parents had died what uh what would you call him 503: well it would just be an orphan. Interviewer: just an orphan and would the court uh appoint somebody 503: #1 well # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: if uh he didn't have any folks would take him well the court I imagine would come in and send him to a home. Interviewer: alright and uh uh talking about families and and sickness and things like that would you tell me uh what you do if somebody in a family died when you would you describe that in the old days uh 503: well in the old days well they'd die and uh neighbors would uh clean 'em up and dress 'em and you'd come to town to get a coffin to put 'em in and you keep that shut until the undertaker come you know to came to bury 'em the next day uh when they be dead and buried. there wasn't no embalming that day and and uh homes like it is now that take care of the body you see. there wasn't even a hospital old folks home or nothing. Interviewer: uh would they go to the church uh they take him to the 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 church uh # 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and uh well what would the funeral be like uh 503: well it'd be uh kinda like it is now only you had to lower 'em down in the ground with a couple of stri- straps you know and and just let 'em down thataway. Interviewer: and they uh did you put the coffin right down or did you have another box uh 503: well most of the time you had well you had another box whole time but then you'd lower that coffin into the box. Interviewer: oh I see 503: and now they got the vaults. #1 in there # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: had to keep 'em longer you know. Interviewer: and do you remember anything about uh uh things that people used to use for uh like a a crib on wheels that you used to take the babies around 503: yes sir Interviewer: uh 503: baby buggy or something like that. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: yeah Interviewer: they're able to they used to be pretty fancy 503: #1 oh yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: #1 yes sir # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # you have any memory of that uh 503: well not too much of it people in the country always toted 'em damn it all. Interviewer: I see alright and if you uh to get back to sickness say if if you had a deep scratch you had and it heal right but it would get real red around it what would you call that skin around the 503: well uh rub- we'd be afraid of blood poison setting up. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: and you'd bring 'em to a doctor then. Interviewer: what do you burn out that uh 503: well I don't know what he would do to it he'd he'd put some kind of medicine on it and uh bandage it up. Interviewer: mm-hmm tell me did you ever uh hear of uh of a proud flesh 503: #1 yes sir # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh what what does that mean uh 503: well Interviewer: proud 503: that's just uh where a sore won't cure up right away and flesh just boils up then it's like. Interviewer: I see I see and uh pimple would get s- uh real big and sore 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # what would you 503: #1 that that was a rise # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh-huh I guess a lot of people died from those uh is that right 503: well I don't know whether they would die from a rising or not but uh they have died I imagine from the that uh flesh. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh in the rising would be a what would be that stuff inside uh 503: the core. Interviewer: core uh-huh and if you uh if your skin turned uh yellow and your eyes yellow in the old days wouldn't they call that uh 503: well you had uh yellow fever I imagine. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: at that time I don't know about it #1 for certain # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and if uh if you were a little boy you uh ate something that uh didn't agree with you you could start to s- to get sick where 503: yes sir get sick to my stomach. Interviewer: uh-huh and then what would be some of the joking words that you'd use if you bring up what you ate uh 503: well uh it made me sick and I had to vomit. Interviewer: uh-huh did you ever have any joking words for that uh 503: no Interviewer: and if uh if you had a pain in the right side uh what what did they used to call 503: #1 well # Interviewer: #2 that # 503: they used to call it uh I don't know what they used to call it but now that's appendicitis. #1 and I reckon # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: it was then and uh people just didn't know about it then you know and there had been a lot of people died uh I imagine from it. Interviewer: they didn't operate 503: #1 uh-uh # Interviewer: #2 uh # were 503: no they didn't know what it was #1 then # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and if uh in the winter uh did you uh could you have uh any kind of colds or very much or 503: oh yeah you it you'd have a cold every once in a while. Interviewer: what would they do to that uh 503: well you'd take uh some cough medicine to keep you from coughing so much and then uh maybe go to a doctor with it and uh they'd give you some kind of medicine for it cough medicine something. Interviewer: uh but did they make did you ever make up your any of your own medicine? uh do you remember? 503: no no I don't know that I have. Interviewer: to come back to the uh funeral would uh how would the women dress uh uh for a funeral 503: well uh right folks in the family well they'd dress in black and have a long skirt course people were well warm then whole lot of longer to do now anyway you know. Interviewer: they'd they'd show uh they'd show what by that those black clothes 503: mourning Interviewer: that was the way that you 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 saw # somebody #1 dressed in black they're # 503: #2 that's right # #1 that's right {C: pinging noise} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh what was a how would you refer to somebody who died uh if you feel that you felt bad about him uh and say well I hear that mister so and so um 503: well uh I hate to hear of anybody dying as far as that's concerned but then uh that's that's about what it was then. Interviewer: #1 mm-hmm # 503: #2 and # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: would you say he passed uh 503: yeah he passed away Interviewer: uh-huh and if you didn't like him uh what would what might you say 503: well I I don't know whether {X} express that. #1 {D: settle on that} # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # did they say might say kick the bucket or 503: yeah yeah I've heard that expression #1 made too # Interviewer: #2 # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: good morning Interviewer: morning auxillary speaker: morning sir Interviewer: uh where would where was the uh the funeral you'd take him to the what the 503: cemetery #1 yes # Interviewer: #2 cemetery # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and uh I'd like to uh ask you how you used to talk about uh oh the way people acted and the way they looked uh suppose a young man was uh uh real big and strong you'd say well now he's he's right what uh {D: polygon app} 503: {X} Interviewer: and uh {X} 503: they'd be mighty big yeah. Interviewer: uh-huh {X} 503: yeah Interviewer: and a boy uh who's uh growing too fast you know his uh arms are 503: he's he's a big guy {NW} Interviewer: but if he's uh if he seems to be all arms and legs 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 and he can't # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # can't get himself coordinated what say he's uh 503: I don't know he is he kind of going to be a giant if he keeps on. {NW} Interviewer: you ever say he's uh he's gawky but he'll grow out of it 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh 503: yeah I've heard that too Interviewer: uh-huh and if somebody worked hard all day they'd come back in the house and they'd say I'm all what 503: tired out Interviewer: tired out uh-huh if a um young girl say about sixteen and she's got a lot of life um you'd say well she is she's right um right what 503: she's real spry Interviewer: an older person who gets around 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 real # well you'd #1 say well he # 503: #2 he he's # pretty spry Interviewer: or you'd say uh-huh and 503: had a old man that was in here once in a while would come up and stood there and talk to us a little bit he was ninety years old one day. Interviewer: is that right? well he sure is #1 fine shape # 503: #2 yeah he's # in pretty good shape Interviewer: {X} walk real well #1 and he's # 503: #2 mm-hmm # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: good strength 503: he lives right down there next to well p- up another block from a truck stop there where I keep my truck he walks up here twice three times a day. Interviewer: he does it's nice that uh you got some place to go #1 like this # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 to eat and uh # 503: #2 that's right # that's right Interviewer: {D: you were} talking about things and it keeps you young when you 503: #1 that's right # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # um if uh somebody is uh used to be kind of well you tell him something and and uh he just wouldn't wouldn't believe you he wouldn't change his mind you'd say well he's 503: he's telling a lie Interviewer: uh-huh and uh if somebody is you'd say something you didn't mean anything by it but uh they might get all mad and #1 upset # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: say he's awful he's awful what 503: he's awful angry or #1 something like that # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # touchy uh did you ever hear the word touch us or 503: yeah #1 yeah touch # Interviewer: #2 touchy # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: touchy too. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh if if it didn't uh take much to uh get somebody real mad you'd say well he's 503: he's touchy Interviewer: he's real touchy 503: he's real touchy Interviewer: how about the word uh common if you said uh well she's she's awful common what would that mean? 503: well that would mean I reckon uh I don't know how you'd put it but uh just don't care like I reckon Interviewer: that be a good or a bad thing to say about a woman 503: well according to who it was that's Rhode Island woman well {X}. Interviewer: uh-huh uh it's interesting uh some people think that common is not a good word and other people say that 503: #1 that's right # Interviewer: #2 uh # it's um it's alright um if somebody uh hard to get along with uh would you ever say he's queer or or uh what would that word be 503: he got a high temper. Interviewer: uh-huh you ever use the word um uh queer or queer 503: yeah I I've heard of it Interviewer: uh-huh what how did it what would that mean would that be a 503: #1 I # Interviewer: #2 that # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: I don't know uh I don't know how you'd put it together. Interviewer: and uh going to church uh uh would you tell me how you used to uh become a member of the church? 503: well you'd be just fist. profess religion and uh welcome tell the preacher about it and and you'd set a date and baptize you or {X} what you was going to be Interviewer: how would you uh what do they say when you give money to the church uh uh how do they exact dues or or 503: no it's not dues but uh you uh you're supposed to give money you know to Peter to pay the preacher and to keep the church up. Interviewer: and uh the church service uh would you uh did you used to have any uh would you tell me about a church service that you remember is when you were young uh how would they how would you go to church and what would you do there 503: well I'd go to church mighty near every Sunday and uh I used to used to ride horses up mules up there and {at church and uh go in a buggy one and go on and sit around out there in the front and talk to a lot of 'em a while and then about ready for meat well we would go in and have service and so I'm back in and uh talk to him maybe few minutes then go on home. Interviewer: uh-huh would the preacher give a talk uh 503: oh yeah he'd he'd give a talk. Interviewer: uh would you call would you say he preached a sermon or 503: yeah yeah he preached the sermon. Interviewer: and would you have any music uh 503: oh yeah lot of times well a lot of folks don't but uh I always had a organ uh some singing. #1 something like that # Interviewer: #2 mm-hmm # mm-hmm um do you remember any uh any ways of referring to the devil? um how did they used to refer to the devil? 503: well they they talk about the devil all the time now lot of the time. Interviewer: would you uh ever say anything to scare children you'd say now you better be good or 503: well I have some few times and uh I I don't think it's right now other folks make 'em scared of the police and the police they would not do that uh the their parents no or not but for the police is supposed to be a child's friend. Interviewer: mm-hmm mm-hmm 503: and do all they can for 'em. Interviewer: that reminds me uh do people talk much about uh law and order here is that a concern uh 503: yeah uh they's right smart going on here the last few years. Interviewer: mostly with young people um 503: yes Interviewer: uh-huh 503: most of it's young people Interviewer: the um I was wondering did uh to get back to the uh talking about the devil uh did people ever think that a house was full of spirits uh 503: yes sir I've heard people say it uh certain certain houses haunted. Interviewer: uh-huh do you think uh was a haunt uh that something you do with the devil or uh 503: well I don't know I reckon it's oil I never did believe in anybody leaving here they'd they'd claim you see if you die well your spirit would was still in that house maybe. #1 and if it was # Interviewer: #2 I see # 503: well if you was there it'd say all night well maybe you'd bother him but I I never did believe in that. Interviewer: uh-huh well I see but a lot of people did they 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 just # uh they're in uh when you'd uh go to town when you used to live in the country to buy something uh what what did you uh you used to say is it it used to come in and uh go trading or shopping or 503: yeah Interviewer: which would you 503: #1 I got # Interviewer: #2 say # 503: to get some groceries or something #1 like that # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # people say that's uh trading? 503: yes sir Interviewer: uh-huh and uh wonder if you can tell me uh these drawings uh if this is the hour hand and this is the minute hand uh I wonder how would you say this you know ordinary conversation uh what time that was 503: what time that it was? Interviewer: yes sir this is the hour hand this is the minute hand say well that's 503: fifteen to eleven? Interviewer: alright 503: I'd call it Interviewer: did uh you used to say quarter 503: yeah yeah Interviewer: uh-huh quarter 'til 503: yeah Interviewer: and if this is the hour hand this is the minute hand you say well 503: #1 that's # Interviewer: #2 it's uh # 503: uh seven thirty Interviewer: uh-huh and how about uh would you say half 503: half past? Interviewer: uh-huh in the old days would you more likely to say quarter quarter to 503: #1 well # Interviewer: #2 quarter # 'til 503: no uh I think it's uh more that a way now for it was then. Interviewer: alright 503: I would say so. Interviewer: and uh different uh uh after uh twelve twelve o'clock noon what what part what part of the 503: #1 that's that's evening # Interviewer: #2 day is that # uh-huh and uh in the morning you say well we got up awful early we got up #1 before # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: before sun 503: yeah sun's up. Interviewer: sunup alright and but sometimes you go to bed before sun 503: yeah Interviewer: sun 503: #1 sundown # Interviewer: #2 down # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and we talked about uh the weather uh but when we were talking about it I didn't have the tape recorder so I'd like to ask you some of it you'd say uh you have some uh some tornadoes in the country 503: #1 yes # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: sir we w- uh had some dow- one down in Covington the other day I read in the paper this morning west of struck a gin out there and a man and I don't know whether it was his brother or his boy anyway two of 'em was working on it and uh wool fell down on this fellow I think. Interviewer: the uh if um if you if you had a a nice day uh wind was was quiet suddenly it started to come up you'd say well the wind is is is what uh 503: going {NW} to the north or south? uh Interviewer: alright 503: east Interviewer: and if uh wind is is uh it's been storming and uh you see s- see the clouds start to break there clear up in the west you say well I think it's gonna 503: it looks like it's gonna have another calm later Interviewer: uh-huh 503: storm or something like that Interviewer: and uh if the storm seems over you say well I think it's gonna what now 503: break off Interviewer: break off uh-huh 503: or fair up Interviewer: fair up if you come out in the morning and uh you feel kinda cold you say well it's 503: it's kinda chilly this #1 morning # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # ever say it's uh right airish? 503: yeah Interviewer: say and would that mean it's uh 503: it's still ki- chilly Interviewer: it's still pretty cool 503: yeah Interviewer: uh-huh and uh if if you were talking about in fact the other day you were coming into town and ran into that rain and you say well this is a this is a real 503: real hard rain. Interviewer: you um I think you said downpour didn't #1 you # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: alright you ever hear that called a gully washer? 503: yes sir Interviewer: {X} 503: there's there's more fields washed up now than ever was known before I reckon. Interviewer: uh-huh they really just washed out 503: yes sir Interviewer: uh again I I don't think you put this on tape but you said uh some some cotton fields had been planted uh 503: two or three times Interviewer: three times 503: yeah Interviewer: alright and uh washed out a different 503: #1 drowned # Interviewer: #2 name # 503: it out yeah Interviewer: uh-huh different kinds of uh rain and again I I'd like to remember if you can remember how you used to say it uh when you were a boy you were young suppose you just had a little bit of uh rain to settle the dust what would you call that 503: well that's just a shower Interviewer: just a uh-huh and then if it really came down like the other day if it was a downpour 503: oh downpour {NW} the bottom falling out. Interviewer: and uh if if you have um if you get up in the morning and there's a lot of moisture on the plants uh you'd say well I s- there's a heavy 503: heavy dew Interviewer: this morning 503: yes Interviewer: but suppose a uh suppose it it's cold enough and the dew freezes uh what do you call that or what'd you used to uh 503: we had a freeze last night. Interviewer: uh-huh and uh if uh if it's a cloudy cold day say in November you'd say well this is this is no good this is a what kind of day uh 503: kind of a cloudy day I #1 guess # Interviewer: #2 cloudy # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh-huh and uh stuff that you don't want to drive through at night uh it's moisture that turns white and you can't see 503: that's uh fog. Interviewer: uh-huh and say it's uh real real foggy 503: yeah Interviewer: uh if you um if you got a a long spell of weather where they uh where you don't have any rain uh what 503: #1 it's a # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: dry spell yeah Interviewer: dry spell what would you have a couple of years without enough rain do they call that 503: well I I don't know remember that being that a way here course now we we think we'd get dry sometimes in the summer but uh this is more rain has fell uh this spring than I was known before in #1 my life. # Interviewer: #2 alright # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # really coming down 503: yeah Interviewer: and uh I wanted to ask you uh the other day have you uh uh you mentioned your uh children your grand children uh and is it your grandson who's in Greece right? 503: yes sir Interviewer: uh-huh 503: one of 'em Interviewer: and then you say you've been to Oklahoma uh have you ever 503: no I said that he was in Oklahoma once. Interviewer: oh he's coming back to Oklahoma 503: yeah I we think he will. #1 will # Interviewer: #2 I see # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # yeah have you ever been over there uh 503: no sir I never have Interviewer: have you uh traveled very much uh 503: not very much Interviewer: uh-huh and would you name any states that uh where you've been? 503: well I I never have been out of the United States. Interviewer: how about uh around Tennessee or 503: I I've been to Memphis and such as that and Interviewer: uh-huh ever been over to Arkansas? 503: no sir #1 no I # Interviewer: #2 okay # 503: never was never would ship over there I never did do much traveling around the country yet. Interviewer: uh-huh did you ever go down to Mississippi 503: #1 no sir # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh-huh and uh uh ever go over to Nashville or any place 503: #1 well I've I've been to Nashville # Interviewer: #2 uh here in Tennessee # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # uh-huh 503: I've been there a few times and I was at uh I can't think of the name of the place now we went through Nashville and uh my son was in the army and I can't think of the name of that place now to save my life anyway he was stationed up there on the other side of Nashville and uh my wife and daughter and myself went up there. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: and spent the night and uh his girlfriend at that time went with us. Interviewer: mm-hmm um so you uh must be you must be pretty happy here you you uh 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 you like to # 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 stay here and # 503: yeah I I'm alright {NW} #1 here # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: yes sir {NS} Interviewer: uh I wanted to uh you mentioned that you've got two children uh what do you call uh say your your uncles and your aunts and your cousins uh you call them your kin 503: #1 yes sir # Interviewer: #2 your hogs # #1 your all of 'em # 503: #2 yes # yes Interviewer: yeah alright and uh they uh uh your family then would be y- uh you would be just your your wife and your children 503: yes sir Interviewer: but all of your relatives would #1 be your # 503: #2 yeah # #1 that's right # Interviewer: #2 kin # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: #1 that's right # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and what would you uh if you didn't respect uh a man very much if uh you know he was just just a drunk and things like that what what did you used to call that 503: well he's a he's a just a regular ol' drunkard. Interviewer: did you ever uh hear anybody call him a moocher? 503: yeah yeah we'd call 'em hoogies too. Interviewer: uh-huh is that right 503: yeah Interviewer: and that would mean that um 503: they was just kind of lowdown people that a way and Interviewer: alright 503: drank a whole lot. Interviewer: uh-huh that's a an interesting word isn't it 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # anything else uh that you used to call 'em you ever call 'em crackers or uh peckerwoods 503: no I I might have heard of it I never did call one that. Interviewer: uh-huh and how about colored people uh I suppose you have a colored man that's no good uh uh this call him a nigger is that 503: yeah Interviewer: alright 503: that nigger there gets drunk and drinks a whole lot and such as that. Interviewer: what if you have an old negro who's uh who you you really respect you know it's uh how do you refer to 503: well they they's uh they's a lot of good niggers and a lot of mean niggers. Interviewer: mm-hmm 503: I'd say that Interviewer: and if if you uh talked to an older one how would you say would you ever call him #1 uncle or # 503: #2 yes # sir yeah we used to they used up that a way. and it mighty near kills me now to to hear a man calling miss and missus and yes and no sir and uh I always raised up for to call a old man mister and and uncle I mean uh uncle and uh auntie. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: something like that. Interviewer: uh-huh um what do you think about the about calling 'em black people now 503: well I I just I just can't understand it. Interviewer: yeah well uh I'm not as old as you are and I I have trouble with it 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 too # 503: I imagine so. Interviewer: it's uh and uh anything else uh that uh that you you can think about uh here I wanted to ask you uh you mentioned you th- take this goozle hear it the other day you remember say you cut cut the goozle was #1 that right # 503: #2 yes sir # Interviewer: uh 503: yes cut the throat and um stick a knife down in there then and then to the heart bleed 'em out. Interviewer: now this is the goozle? 503: yes sir Interviewer: right here 503: yeah Interviewer: uh below the Adam's apple what did you used to call this uh this where the teeth 503: tushies Interviewer: tough I see and on people uh what did you call 503: that's that's called a tush too some people has tush Interviewer: and these these teeth #1 there # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: what do you call the pink stuff that's the teeth are up in? 503: gums Interviewer: uh-huh and uh did you used to call this uh the brow or 503: forehead what I always called it Interviewer: and uh if a man grew a lot of whiskers you'd say well he's got a big 503: yeah #1 big on the face # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and uh another thing I wanted to ask you if men used to sit around like this 503: yes sir Interviewer: uh and talk uh you'd say they're down on their what uh 503: down on their hunkers Interviewer: hunkering down alright this this part 503: yeah Interviewer: hunkers 503: yeah Interviewer: what's this part where you don't wanna get kicked 503: that's a shin Interviewer: that's a shin bone 503: #1 yeah # Interviewer: #2 uh # huh and uh where you get arthritis uh in your 503: #1 get s- # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: get stiff and sore Interviewer: in what parts of the body where you get 503: in your joints most of the time yeah Interviewer: and uh if a boy uh or goes like this you say he's raising his what 503: raising his fist up now he's ready to fight Interviewer: uh-huh both of 'em huh and uh uh this part of a man what's this part 503: chest Interviewer: chest of a man uh-huh and uh did you ever have any joking words for this stuff which I don't have much of 503: no I don't really ever had any joking words about it only man gets bolo we laugh at him then about that. #1 sometime # Interviewer: #2 uh-huh # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # and uh this these things 503: yes Interviewer: just your ears and um this part 503: lips Interviewer: uh-huh and the whole thing 503: mustache Interviewer: okay uh any words you remember for the mustache uh did you always call it just a mustache 503: I reckon so uh I think goatees grow down here. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: I believe that's where they is Interviewer: and uh this part of the hand 503: that's a palm Interviewer: uh-huh and uh this whole thing this whole 503: #1 that's your leg # Interviewer: #2 {D: thing and} # on yeah did you used to call it uh if you were mentioned you talk about a woman would you uh say her leg or her 503: limb Interviewer: her limb 503: limb Interviewer: alright that's uh people used to be uh real modest #1 didn't they they # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # #1 oh yeah a whole lot # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: more so than now Interviewer: yeah and if somebody got uh so that he couldn't hear you say well he's 503: he's getting deaf Interviewer: deaf uh-huh and well I uh I think uh I've asked you a lot of #1 questions # 503: #2 I # wanted to Interviewer: fine job 503: I wanted to tell you another thing that I forgot the other day uh up pig a gilt it's called a gilt before she's a sow she can be bred and she's still called a gilt until she's become the mother. #1 and then she's called a # Interviewer: #2 oh I see # 503: sow Interviewer: and then she's the sow 503: #1 yeah I just # Interviewer: #2 I s- # 503: I just happened to think about that and #1 uh I wanted to # Interviewer: #2 well I appreciate that # that uh 503: wanted to tell you about it. Interviewer: I've heard that word but I wasn't sure #1 it's that way now # 503: #2 yeah # now that's that's the way it is Interviewer: uh-huh alright sure anything else that you uh uh when I leave I'll think of another thousand things 503: well I I don't know Interviewer: they uh I or one thing uh when when you were young uh what states did you consider to be in the South here? uh what states uh would children be taught in other words uh Tennessee would be a southern state 503: yeah Interviewer: uh-huh 503: United States I reckon Interviewer: alright and uh which ones would be just the southern part of the country uh 503: well I I don't remember Interviewer: uh would Texas you think be a southern state 503: I would imagine so I don't #1 remember. # Interviewer: #2 some people # will uh some people think of Texas as being West you know and others as South {C: overlap} and uh the uh how about the war between the states uh did did people who used to say uh call it the war between the states or the civil war 503: well I don't uh I don't remember much about that either uh I never did had to go to war or nothing like that but uh everybody around here just speaks of the war going on you know and there's Interviewer: mm-hmm did they uh talk about the uh civil war or the war between the states 503: war between the #1 states mostly. # Interviewer: #2 states # uh-huh they um a lot of the f- uh interesting stories about that uh they're did you ever hear about Fort {D: Tower} up #1 up near Ripley uh # 503: #2 yeah yes # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: I guess they're gonna try to make that a state park 503: yeah Interviewer: um 503: I never have been down there I've been clo- pretty close to it but uh I didn't have time to go on down there that's that's how much going around I do. Interviewer: well this is uh I think you have got a good life here you've 503: #1 well I have I'm # Interviewer: #2 got a lot of friends # and uh 503: I've I've tried to camp a seven a way at have printed friends friends. Interviewer: uh-huh 503: put it sway friends worth more to you than a pile of George's old money. Interviewer: well that's right 503: #1 yes sir # Interviewer: #2 {X} # um well I think you got a a lot of friends around town 503: oh there's another thing about I remember I think I remember you asking me to few days I mean the other day up there did I ever see my grandparents. #1 did you ask me that # Interviewer: #2 yes sir yes # sir I did 503: and I told you that I hadn't #1 well I I'd # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 503: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 503: I have seen my grandmother on my mother's side. Interviewer: I see #1 uh-huh # 503: #2 and uh # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # Interviewer: do you remember where she came from? uh 503: no I don't. Interviewer: #1 alright # 503: #2 I # Interviewer: #1 # 503: #2 # sure don't Interviewer: uh-huh and uh she was on your mother's #1 side # 503: #2 yeah # Interviewer: yeah did she live around here or did 503: #1 she # Interviewer: #2 she # 503: Lived out there boars and fact of business we did with 'em several years. Interviewer: I see 503: uh I had two uncles on my mother's side and one of 'em was running a meat market down there and a grocery and the other one was out there with his mother and he he was mad and he he wanted to move town uh he his brother wanted him to come down to town with him and so we.