505: And I- I- I said uh, who live here? And uh, I said {D: Sydney} who live here? That's my cou- first cousin. He said baby I don't know who move there. {NS} {NS} When Where you {X} Someone to come in your house and introducing you and I I said I said no I wouldn't. I said I ain't ever like the city. He tried to get me after my husband passed come live with him. He got his own home in St. Louis I said but I don't {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: I said I just done and got it {X}{NS} I said naw {D: and then you've feel} {X} I said I don't care for it. {D: Then} he say you would like that {D: view} though. If you hadn't been staying here a while I said but I it done got kind of rough and nasty that's what I said. Friend of mine came up there and called we went down there. Visiting a friend from here. Had to go down to {D: Betty called it} a tin cup ally It a street but that's the name of it. And they ain't womens there's laying out there drunk and staggering down there and cussing. I said my god take me out of here. Interviewer: Mm. 505: I said uh-uh. He said well we- we ain't going because it he said, turn here and go up the street. He said this the Wall street down in {D: St. Louis Missouri} I said {NS}{X} but I said a woman drunk, I said it hurt it hurts me cause I'm a woman myself. He said down there, he said you said that they were so pitiful? I said it's a pitiful time. I said I fear some for them cuz I fear some for the city I don't think I like the city Now if you was raised and young {D: If I was raised in the city} when I young like you? {NS}{X} You got me a good job and got {D: all to the top} but now you gonna tell {X} and, and gotta stay locked up in the house all day They've never they they front door fastened and scared to leave it open. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And then they {X} sitting there I said, who is out that in garden? This garden Go down back of his house like just back of the house like this back of the house. {X}{NS} that road. {X} just {X} I said them people's moving And he was picking strawberry he said what'd you say? I said them people's moving? He said I bet you that's somebody stealing that thing You know what he do? Interviewer: What's that? 505: Went back and come over that house and there was that truck {X}. See if there's one {X} but there isn't then well that's some- that was somebody break in and getting stuff. Interviewer: Oh. 505: And he just {X}{NS} right after that. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: He had something look what it was I don't know. He said right here and so when the man come he asked me said, I sure thank you for telling me somebody moving And I tell you cause somebody moving and I said I didn't mean to run my mouth He said he, no everybody don't know me. I said I just thought you are somebody moving. {X} and they come home come home, and when he went back {NW}, they had to move him and he had a {X}. But the man with the {X} when he come back he, see about somebody done broke the {X} {X} women. They got one of the television and one {X} and I reckon they seen him coming they know got best they could. Unfastened the back door and then he had to go in there. Call my cousin and she had the keys to the house to come fix the {NS}{X}. It was {X}, cause I didn't do {X} country don't fool yourself. And when I was working, when I {D: risk them} how I used to {X} But I use a little trouble now, unless you break in. And now when I carry the little girl home that stay with in old time, and then I got back, I had I went and had about of rows two three months {X} but I had any {X}. But they have me out {X} the most. So one night, I was working hard chopping cotton, a big car pull in between them two trees Said I don't know how he got that so good cause I been scared try to get my gun. And I hear {D: the drum} of police, and I was sleeping tired and I had {X} just like I did now. And uh, he woke me up hard cause he struck me about there they do it there all the time. he thought it was good but now I never know {X} two peoples is not a lot. And uh, car was parked up there. And he is {D: held my feet I's} jumped there and popped the light on when I pop my light on he popped his on. {NS}{D: There was people going around the building} pretending to sell rose but they was uh, they robbed your homes and come in your home taking things. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And now I here by myself. And this {X}. {D: There was a ticket} I come back but when I put a light on he put his on. I come back look {X} at my door. {NW} {NS}{X} And I- I- I left my {X}. He like {X} that used to be, {NS} he have trees on them now {D: he didn't have to rip them trees} {X}. {NW} I {X} I was gonna {X} to pieces again cause I didn't know what it mean. He had a {X}. And the railroad there that time and it almost {X}. And he got there. {X} you ain't scared and I said ya. I used to be scared but I'm scared now got too much {X}. People breaking into your home now and you here. It don't make no difference. {D: Booking} old ladies and raped and kill and take their money. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: People used to get on with it you know? Interviewer: Some of them are. 505: That's what I'm talking about. That- that- that was dirty in here. {NS} Excuse me a minute Interviewer: #1 Sure. # 505: #2 please. # {NS} {X} Is this in your community? Interviewer: Beg your pardon? 505: Did it fall in that- in the part {X}? Interviewer: They do, it'd be {D: cropped} down there with the peanuts. Ya. 505: I bet- I bet- I bet that that's {D: pretty}. {X} got some {D: plant}. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Ya. {NS} {NS}{X} that you been through {X} good. I- I- I imagine they raise them for the the {X} Interviewer: Ya you see them coming to town and- and lining up and down there at the right at the peanut mill you know? 505: Ya. Interviewer: {X}. {X} one of them raise- 505: I heard they can get {X} from peanuts too. They ought to. Interviewer: I'm not sure what it is now but I would 505: #1 But you know, # Interviewer: #2 think so # 505: {NS}{X}. {D: It is risky}, and your condescending {X} that I've ever known in my life. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm-hmm and {X}, cotton {D: the first} {X}. Interviewer: Ya. 505: {X} daddy {X} he used to {X} plant peanuts that I used to get so tired of digging. We- we just raised them for the, {X}. Interviewer: Right. 505: We just raised them for the market {X}. Papa gave them away as well. {X}. They don't raise nothing like sweet potatoes nothing like that {X} in your community? Interviewer: Uh, yup. The- 505: Such little things like that like the {D: home use} Interviewer: #1 Right right. # 505: #2 something like that. # {X} uh raise my {NS} {NS}sweet potato {NS}{X} and pea patches and {D: market} patches {X}, {D: Johnny Hopper}. But here is um, market patch I used to take him to this market patch all the time. {D: Boy and you turn up} {X} you talking about the mazes in {X} last year. He ate everything last year. I don't know how- he got to {X}. Interviewer: {D: Is that a fact?} 505: Mm-hmm and I know these tomatoes fully young- young tomatoes. They're about, {X}. Cause you ain't good you, {X} potato patch with my brother and I and, {X} {NS}{X}. He come in here with his {X}. I don't know about I wanna do this but you, and you can tell {X} for you. I know you can {X} like a {X} {D: and a small blade}. Interviewer: {NW} 505: So I {X} that {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And he- he gonna have um, a swell market place. He raise egg plants, {NS} and more pepper than I've seen in my life in one place he had last year. Bell pepper hot pepper, banana pepper {X} {D: with that} kind of pepper, egg plants, squash, cucumbers, and uh, what do you call that little thing I forget that little thing that he call that {X}. He had um, snap beans butter beans, and greens good {D: greens are like that} {D: I already grown and} {X}. He had greens and {X} {X} It might be {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: Ya he- he- he- he got {X}. He {D: bought it}, {X}. He- he really has a nice tru- He- he can't hit them that good. Interviewer: Just, just good at that sort of thing then. 505: Ya uh ya and uh he- he- he has a job too. At that time he was the, worked over at uh, {NS} {X}? But he said it got so rough where he had been working now {D: a year I said give it up}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: He said only go out sometime {D: ain't nobody} gonna come back {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: He told me. {D: Night} is too short now for something like that. he works there I think that's some place you {X} now. Cause he really has the market- he got a nice market patch now. Interviewer: Are you a member of any kind of church group, or any kind of clubs or anything like that? 505: Oh we have uh, yes we have missionary {X} all like that missionary. Interviewer: You got a missionary society? 505: Missionary {X}. Church and {X}, goes to Sunday school. I used to go to all of them {X}. {D: Different}, and I'm, a member of my choir. And all like that I goes like that. I used to be the secretary {X} some of the younger kids. Ya I worked in my church hard. All of my life I like that. Now I sang- you sang in a group but I sang in the cho- in the chorus now but I don't sing in the group. Since I got, by myself I don't have no transportation, making the group go. So that girls called me the other day, they thought I would sing. Some of them, {X} I said no. I said never will I give up some of my {X}. {X} remember that. The ladies keeps {X} {D: while I sang a lot}. Then that old too. Voice gone. {D: It's hard} {X}, {D: as, um} {D: the other night} {X} {X}? {NS} She {X}. So they sold {D: beers}. {X} my house? Ya she be {X}. {X}. That's all yours. I said dear Lord I do something for yourself. I said now I'm gonna be gone one day and you gonna need to know. And, you gonna be at least {X}. I suppose some of the young folks {X}. I said I been doing this ever since I {D: have a body}. Three years old. I said now, if you start at home if you make a mistake be at home. I said {X} and do it yourself. You gonna make it work {D: and I said no}. Guess {D: we never gonna stay until Monday}. That's what you got to school for. You sure tell them something {X} that's why they get it all day. {NW}. Interviewer: Tell me about- tell me something about the house that you were born in. What it looked like, and what the- 505: Well, the house I was born in was a log house, and it had um, {D: boxed in}, {X}, where I was born. And then had the kitchen was a large room. And the air room was a large room and it had, a porch from one end to the other. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh huh. Interviewer: All the way across the front? 505: Uh huh. It had um, on the air room in the back never had a {X}. Back porch um, I been somewhere about six, about six or seven feet, as you go out the, kitchen {X}, kitchen back there. And we had a well, a really big barn, and then we had another hay barn made out of logs. Interviewer: How long did you live in that house? 505: I live in um, {X}. {X}. Uh when we left that house I, I was uh five years old. We didn't live there too long on that side. My daddy see them uh, saw our neighbors growing you know older than I was cause I was the ba- I'm the baby of the family. And they um, {X} how old {D: Si} was when we left there. He's in his teens I know. My sister she- she's {D: there} too. {X}. She die she seventy-one. She die in seventy, {D: actually} seventy-one. Sixty-nine or seventy-one, just remember that. But anyway, now she was my half sister cause my daddy had been married before he married my mother, and my mother had been married and just like I married and my husband died that's {D: the way they did}. She- he lost his wife, and my mother lost her husband they married. And uh, sister was my half sister but I didn't know the different {X}. She- she can just like, couldn't love her no more she had been my whole sister. And I had- my mother had a boy, who was my half brother. And he just {D: passed here}, here at seventy-four? Ya {D: Joe} died in seventy-four. And he was uh, he was {D: eighty-four}. And so she had a child and he had a child and uh then he had some more {D: kids}, sisters and brothers. And mother raised all of them kids up and, {D: looked right at me and I said} {X}. We all had to do the same. Then that, our sisters {D: always brother's} {X} I got you know large enough to {D: relax} {X} but they would come back, that {X} home you know? And all of them, {X} say {D: I never would be no cow}. All of them {X} played with me you know? And still make me think I was about grown as they was but, I always wanted to be the baby so I could {X} {D: ain't come back}. {NW}. That's uh- I tell you ya I, I had- I had a- I had {D: a loving couple of brothers and sisters}. Ya after I got- now I'm gonna tell you this, after I got, when I got nine, when I got eight years old, I had a whole {X} every day. {D: Chocolate} like I do now {D: cause} I got ten. I was a washer {D: and that} at the home and we had washer on a scrub board, my mother would wash them white clothes, if she won't {X} washer. And they better be clean. {X} {D: and you don't know anything} about that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Mm-mm. See that happen when I come {D: on}. Them clothes be just snow white, washed them clothes I had and then I had to go get- get that {D: ranching} bar and {D: ranch them} till nothin- wash them {X}. Hell they better be clean. And I have to tell you my mother used to fix {X} I been fixing {X} since I was twelve years old. {D: Let's know what it} I know you can do if you try. Now I- I can cook but I- I- you know I gonna tell you no {X} I don't think I {D: contest} with my mother. Everybody says she's the cooking-est women he ever been around. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh-huh I ain't saying it cause she my mama. My mama- you know your mama's {X} taste better than anybody's in here, {D: to me you do}. Interviewer: That's true. 505: Uh-huh. My mama just could cook, she could cook most any common thing {X}. She used to work around white people you know? Um, back {X} washing and cooking doing for them, she could cook most anything. She raised up, her sister's child up. She just died year before last. But she died, she's eighty, a normal age {D: up}. Now that was my next mama after mother died. Mother died, my mother died in forty. And my daddy died in, in thirty. And mama raised up {D: at me}, day after mama died she, she {X} and I had to tend to her and, {X} I want to. She {X} goes out the back door. {X}, with a tub of clothes, {X}, I think that the {D: basin} {X}. And it knocked her down and, {D: broke her shoulder but} {X}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: But she seemed to like {X} she seemed like no {X}. She called me and {X}. {D: They didn't} {X} {D: by themself} like I did {X} you said get {X}. So she stayed in the {X}. I had been at the hospital two months with my eyes. And my right eye {D: start} {X} three nights {X}. She uh didn't realize what she'd done and kept on {X} and, she'd get me out of bed and I was, I don't know I just overdid it. The doctor told me said man your eyes, {X}. {X}. She said you gotta pinch the nerves {X} you stayed there too long. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: {D: So he thought that}, I can see out of {X} it feel like something in it sometime. He says theres a pinched nerve in there. But she {D: paged} in the hospital. She never did get that phone number. She was old so didn't have no {X} and {X} and all that. {D: Walkways from- from the door}, and that door hit her and {X}, and just tripping and she fell, on her shoulder. Broke that shoulder {D: all up in there}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: She never did {D: get up}. Ya she was raised, my mama and daddy raised her. She {X} mama and papa. Interviewer: Well tell me about this house that you're living in now. You got uh, what a- what about the room that we're sitting in now what do you call that? 505: Uh this just- I don't have a two bedrooms, and the back room's the {D: tele room}. This the kitchen. Don't {D: look at it's nasty I just cleaned it}. {NW} {X} I don't mind you going through {D: up here}. {NW}. {X} I been gone all morning. {X} and everything {D: in there.} And uh, that's the bedroom, this the bedroom {X}. And the {X}. And this be the living room, {X} my rooms are too small {D: or too big as that.} Interviewer: Oh I see. 505: Uh-huh. And I- that- that was the back porch then this is the kitchen. And um, there was the back porch back there and I had {X}, into a {D: tele room} since I been here. Uh-huh. I had that- I had that {X} on here since I been here. See- see but, {D: people} {X}? Well now it's a back porch. The man {D: wouldn't take a piece out} cause that piece gonna {X} in the house {X}. Interviewer: {X} 505: He said if I take that out I make it {X} {X} be sitting on the back {D: you know whoever be}. Interviewer: Right. 505: And I had this {X}. They ain't that nice but i- when you're by yourself and you can't do it but that's all you can do. Interviewer: {NW} 505: You see my {D: bean and potato I pick this month}? Interviewer: Oh well you have been organizing. 505: Ya I pick uh- I pick them greens this {D: morning}. And I pick uh- the {X} I pick them snap beans. And I wash them beans too cause I {X} cook them greens. And I get ready to {X}. {X}. {D: To me there's} {X} sometime a day. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: And that tomorrow {D: we will}. {NS} Interviewer: How long you say you've been living in this house? 505: Uh I been here- I be here now- I be here- been here eight years going on nine it be nine years {D: of thirteen of this in coming March}. Interviewer: Nine years? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is this- Is this uh- guy right there in this picture, is that one of your husbands or- 505: No that's a preacher {X}. {NS} Mm, {D: I kinda can't recall} his name. He preach at the {D: son of} {X} in Memphis. {B}. Mm-hmm {X} {B}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: A he- he- he used to {X} and I fix super for him at night and he give me that photograph. Interviewer: I see. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Tell me have you traveled around Mississippi very much? #1 {D: Down in} # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Tennessee? 505: I traveled all- uh a good bit in uh- Tennessee but not too far {D: out}. I been, I been uh- {X}, and um, {X} Kentucky and getting places like that and, ain't never been to Nashville don't {X} {D: ain't ever} been there. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh huh. I had a {D: friend} there about three miles {X}. {D: But their so bad neighborhood got that} I didn't go. And my niece go to school in Nashville now. And my niece was here yesterday and she said she couldn't live with the {X}. But I have never been to Nashville. They tell me it's a pretty place. Interviewer: I've never been to Nashville either. 505: So you haven't? Interviewer: Sure haven't. 505: And uh- {X} and {X} and {X} and- and uh- oh. What is the name of the place used to be um- mm, I played it on a station {X}. {X} gas station here? {D: I said naw} {X} I got chance to go, {X} gas station. But we had a {X}. I been all over places like that and- {X} and and um past Tennessee {D: and them place} to travel like that. And I used to live on {D: o-one of} {X}. I've been to {D: I've- I've been to the} {X} places and all like that. And I've been to {D: Pittsburgh}. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm-hmm. I said- I've been to someplace but I- I just said {X} like traveling if I had a chance. My husband, {D: turned to me and said}, you wanna go see {X} wanna go see {X} I said {X}. He said, you just {D: bought} your coat I get your suitcase and get your {X}. I said hell no. He said but you better stay at home. {NW} And um, believe it or not I had it, I made up my mind to go this year. And that boy died. He- he came from his son in uh- in uh- Omaha, Nebraska, and he had been here three weeks, and he and my brother had done told me some we gonna buy you a suitcase. And he said I'm not {D: standing here and then come back} {X} we gonna get you {X} as soon as you go and {X}. You ain't going {D: around} {X} {NW} He said I should just {X} thats all you gonna do. I said I ain't staying I said I'm going. And he passed even before I got the chance {D: to}. {X}. I had money to go but they was {X}. {D: They don't} {X} I was gonna tell you. And I {X}. But now I don't know when you got a house to see after nobody there {X} works the whole time, {D: sorry} he ain't no {X}. Uh he was {X} {D: not that} {X} to worry about but- but, {D: can't got some of those} chicken out of that {X}. {D: They been thinking} {X}. So {D: Si} she come in she had twelve {D: peas} and she matched them down to seven. No I glad she ain't got no more because she too big in her {X}, {X} I get rid of when she, {X}. {X} {D: see I sold her shoes}. And I {X} together cause they were together a lot, and she got too fat. You can get them too fat with them, hit her with peas like that they won't do too good, and lay on you know too lazy to get up. So she got {D: to sit with them} {X}. {X}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: He got some fine {X}. He got some fine {D: black guy}. He sold them down last year {X} don't work them too hard. {X} their age- your age you're working too hard. You go and stop us you thought you old but, you just like that {X}. Well you work yourself to death that's what you've done. {X} you is trying to kill yourself. {NW} {D: Dear Lord} {X}. I said you {D: better be} get down {X} somebody gotta do. {X} good {X}. He think he {X} {D: better now that} {X}. Don't fool yourself. Both of them {X} but that's my dad and brother too. Ya he- he go see {D: back what I needed} {X} if- if he living. If he got a {X} he come up like that just like two twins. His wife {D: tell him} {X}, because, {D: is all} {X} I know you {X}. You know what she gonna {X}, {D: I ain't seen her}! You know what she gonna do to {X} cause boy {X}. {NW} But we come up like that. We come up together and he used to {D: be}. When we is coming up children you know {D: they and someone} would be {X}. {D: They jump on} {X}. Now I take that little child and I tie him up. Mama say I was the meanest thing when I was coming {X}. {NS}{NW} Come in house one day, {D: little white boy} {X} crying. {D: Ain't bad}. Mama said, {D: the name Elizabeth} but everybody call him {X}. Uh-huh. {X} he would {X} he have a great big {X}. I try to march {X} up his head. I said to him I said, {D: Frank}, I still push {X}. What you gonna do about it? I said I wouldn't ask no one {D: to bind} you. I said you li- lis- listen your mother didn't- {X} didn't raise you to act like that. I say you {D: either} {X}. He said, {X}. {NS} I got that {X} child and locked him out. {NW}. Ya I did! I lock him out! {X}! {NW} I said you don't call me no {D: dog}. I say we {X} I say I break your leg. So you don't call me no {D: dog}. I say I never call you {X} name I said you better not {D: call me on} mine. I say ya {D: I don't care} {X}- I say {X}. I said you don't call me no dog {X}. I say I call you Frank and you call me {X}. He {D: done gone good} and tell everybody I said you better not. He said I is going {X}. {NW} {X} I said I {X} cause he was a {D: devil}. {NW} So {X}, {X} one day, {D: and that} boy he told the boys, they said {X}. I was like get your {X}. I said {X}. We all play {X} play ball. He say {X}. I said he {D: don't I will}. I {X} {D: be a good boy} {X}, and {X} {D: them} crazy. {NW} What was it you r- you really thought you say oh {X}. I said oh no mama. I said you ain't never {X} pick a fight in my life. {NS} I- {D: he said} mama he hit me. but was it right of you to hit him back? I hit him. Ya. {X} he cut me off. I hit him. {X} you better learn how to fight for yourself. But don't think that should {X}. And Lord she did not {D: breathe a thing}. {X}- my mama had jumped on {D: Bill}, there'd be a fight. Ya I fight for her. {D: Fight for a minute}. {D: You know} I said you do that {X} I said well I- I {X} I said but I won't {X} I'm gonna tell you right now. I say {D: you is life}. But I say you try it. {NW} She said {D: you fool you}. {NW} No I been- I been {X} because that's something I don't do now. I don't care what {X}. But they {X} who was atheists. I don't like that {X}. {X} {D: like if I done mine}. That's right. If I didn't see someone {D: helping you} I'd do that. But I definitely gonna tell you this and {X} that's wrong. That's the worst thing you do in life. I seen a man got killed like that you know. He thought another man was going through the wrong farm, {X}. You get in trouble like that. I don't care what my {X} do, they gonna see the moment {X}. Now bet me on my life. Uh-uh. I love {D: Bill} but {X}. {D: I know I like} dang right. Interviewer: Ya he is better about that. 505: No no! He- he- {X} and you know what? {D: It very} {X} loving that {X} in you. And I don't see it work out? No. Mama just teach us that don't never {D: tattle}. And that's a good {D: idea}. She said have you see some going out with- I see someone going out with you. And I thought it was going to happen to you. I come up- What you's- What'd you tell me your name is? Interviewer: Mark. 505: Mark, I says uh, you be careful out there {X} you watch. {D: And if} they go tell you {X} so I'm gonna tell ya. Some say mm-mm. You find out for yourself that's the best {D: it is}. Interviewer: Is tattling about things and gossiping about things the same thing? 505: I don't- I- I- I- I don't see no different in it. Do you? Interviewer: I don't know it seems like to me it's uh- 505: But what you mean by {X} just like if I come and, tell you something that somebody said {D: then} I get the- get the next person {X} {D: unbiased to me}. Interviewer: Something like that or, I guess I always think of tattling as something that little kids would do you know? #1 {X} # 505: #2 Ya. # Interviewer: I don't know maybe your brother did something he wasn't supposed to and you go run and tell your mother. 505: Mm- uh-huh. Interviewer: And gossiping, it seems to be more of a thing that adults do you know grown ups. 505: Ya. And uh, do you notice that {X} grown ups just act like that too? {D: That's right.} But uh- uh I think {X} place, is a thing that I think a person shouldn't do. Gossiping and, you know just like if me and you sitting here talking now, I tell you, my brother sure is bad. {D: And they do to me}, do you know you- don't you know I know, {D: though} I know I'm lying? Now that's gossiping. Telling something you shouldn't, and trying to make it sound bad and, that ain't too good. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Like, one day {D: Rosa} come over and she played with me, little white girl. She says uh {X}. I said uh-huh? {D: Laura says come over there}. She loved to play with me cause I used to keep {X}. I said, I'm over here and I said- I said {D: mom}, if mom {X} tell you. She's {X} she just said- I said- {NW} I said who cares! I said you {X}, {X}. I said who care this time {D: I'll tell you). {X} {D: there's say} {X} {D: Rosa think you gonna whoop her}. {D: I love me} {X}. I said okay. I said keep that in your {X} how long you just {X}. Very long time {D: mom}. {NW} {NW} Those was a mess {X}. Interviewer: {X} 505: She a sweet little kid though doesn't {D: mean no}. {D: Don't care}- where she's growing up in Christmas time, her mama got her {X} {D: someone get me} {X}. And there's this little boy, oh he about this tall now, he the baby, {X} he didn't want to get us a Christmas present. What we gonna give {D: back to} {X}? {NW} I- uh- he said why you {X} {D: money}? Get {X} money, you working. {D: I already} tell his dad. So {D: I bought} {X} someday {X}, wrapped all them together. I said to the Smith family, Happy Christmas. {D: I is in there}, uh- Merry Christmas and a Happy new Years {X}. {D: I said it} {X}. Said ya, said that you brought me here {X}. {D: who going with} me. Mama {D: gonna}. {X} {D: all hours} {X} mama go. {X} the nicest person. {D: I will give him} {X}, I had to {X}. {X}, that she give to me as a Christmas present. {NW} So he kept them over here. He said {D: what that} {X}? And I says I'm working on my {D: sauce}. What kind of {D: sauce}? I said well I don't {D: care} my own. Did mama {X}? {D: Little boy} {X} to care. I said well I care about {D: home} {X}. What did you put in there? And I said black pepper, salt, I said {X} pepper and sage. {X} do {X} good. {X}. I say, well maybe if you be a good baby I say maybe I get you some for Christmas that's {X}. That {X}. I had to give it to him. He came to {D: thank} {X}. I said but you have to give mother and daddy {D: and those} {X}. {D: I don't care}. He got ready to go home and I fixed a little package, put that in a {D: purse that what you do}. He said I see ya. {NW} I said okay. {D: Parents} had told me the other day that {D: you've a lot of} school already you getting some {X}, {X}. Tell me there's a {X} with a brain {X}. I said {D: okay}. Even with the {X}. I said {X} in that {X}. He come in here. {X}! I went out and {X}. Come on sit down and- sit down in the chair. Hmm. I says who is this for? You. I bought you some candy. {D: I be able to} kiss the boy I said that's so sweet of you. I said you {X} some candy. Y- you always gave me some. {X} {NW} {X} {X} {X} you give me some too. {NW}. I said you the wonderful baby. And I said aw you got sweet baby. Mm-hmm. He looking around see, he looked in another room and {X}. {D: Your daddy get ready to go back out}. I said what {X} I said take this apple home. {D: Thank you} {X}. I had to get you {X}. Interviewer: {NW} That's nice. 505: You know- you know- you know, my sister no I don't think she loved Jesus as well as I do. She's- she said I {X} but you know what? {X}, the girl I used to help raise her kids {X}, {X}. I whooped her kids more than she do and you know, ain't hardly evening come to school they running {X}. It's a {X}. {X} {D: a kid when needing} and teaching, and tell them where {X}. {D: Let them know- mama never made that offer} but when she {X} I had one. You don't need to be the kid for everything you do. Teach them and tell them. And tell them what {D: bad things} {X}, how to show them things, how to treat people. And- {D: and when you don't do it you can with your time} {X}. Is you {X} {D: in your life}? Interviewer: Oh ya burned up several times. 505: Well you think, you don't even need- that you don't need me {X} {D: good}. Now I ain't ever had {X}. {D: This} {D: whooping I got} was about fighting. Now mama told me to do something I did not dare- She said when I tell you to do something {D: better go on out there and} do it. She said {D: did you go and do it or I'm gonna give} a whooping on top of it. See I know what that meant. And I think now, if the people was to teach their children, how to treat people, and how to act and how to live, to be a better world. {D: That's} {X} we need more love. I don't need your {X}. I ain't gonna speak to him and he ain't speak to me {X}? He gonna {D: call} {X}. Mr. {X} up here, he's an old man. He ask me to {X} for him {X} something for my brother gonna {X} some guys {X}. And when he got through he said uh, {D: all I want are} kids to {D: appreciate more} {X} I said now I'm doing this work for Bill. He said I don't care who you're doing it for. Say you done, what I ask you to do is no- {X} work. I said well Mr. {X} look I didn't do it {D: to suit you}. I said don't think I'm getting on {X}. I say you do it. I said {D: don't matter doing anything} I do it the best I know how. He said that what it takes. he said I know you and Bill know how to work. He said and I appreciate {D: another day you bought me}. {X} {D: pound}. {X}. {X}. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 505: #2 He said- # Interviewer: {X}. 505: Something I know you need. And I put it in the box, the keys {X} and I don't care about no {D: car}. {D: I will}, {D: a catfish} {X}. Interviewer: Ya they're good I like them. 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You like to fish {D: far}? 505: Hmm? Interviewer: You like to fish for catfish? 505: What you talking about? If I saw him and {D: heard} {X} been fishing {X}. {X} fish {X}, don't you see my poles {X} tree? Interviewer: I didn't see them when I came in. 505: {D: Ain't missing} from that old tree. {D: I want} I- I uh- I {X} big fish in the river the other day, {D: they tore the pole} {X} and I had to buy me another big pole before I go fish. Interviewer: {D: Well I haven't} been catfishing a long time. 505: {D: Say ya?} Interviewer: I like catching though but here {D: you think}, you get one in size 505: #1 Ya. # Interviewer: #2 you- # 505: {D: Georgia) said y- Are you {X} {D: head up}. a {X} pole. I said no. I said you put the pressure on me and I'll put the pressure on you. And I said you get {X} pole. {X}, held his {X} back. And {X}. You like to fish? Interviewer: I sure do I- I just don't have, seems like I don't get a chance to go very much. 505: What Bill doesn't wanna fish {X}. {NW} That guy has gone fishing everyday. A- and don't think, don't fool yourself {X} you can catch it. She {X} that she got home four or five poles. She got a call because the truck {D: that run} truck in the shop. And she got them {D: dogs} in the trunk, and {D: dogs} getting in there and acting like little children. She gonna try and make that {X} work. And her {X} my little nieces {X}. And then you woulda {X} me here {D: if I hadn't left this pain been in my side}. {X} and I won't feeling good that's why in my {D: hip} like that {X}. Cause I {D: knew} been here picking up beans there like I did but I was gonna pick them when I come home this evening. {D: Sun} and they gonna go {X}. You ever been down on that {D: local block}? Interviewer: No I haven't. 505: {D: Well they}-- they- they just {D: got on the road and} {X}. {X} {D: do}. {D: All}, Mr. {X}. They have got a {X} down there. We all preach down there. So there uh- {D: they left} I saw them going fishing {D: this}, {D: his sister} {X}. She lost her husband about three months ago and, she can {X} in the yard. They gonna, {X} fish. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: {D: That's sorry} to make a {D: sick} fish. He get a {X} and then there I'm going to the bank. {NS} Hey you ready to go? Wait I got a good bite awhile ago. {NW} {D: George} {D: ain't no} {X}. {D: You gotta get ready to go out there}. I never heard {D: of that}. I said it- it b- it's gonna rain we better get in the house {D: here}. I said we got the car, but we ain't go the trunk. I said {X} car {X}. I said we got a long ways to walk to get cars and {D: white truck} {D: and}, {D: white car} and I said we may not even get {D: at them}. That here is {D: true} {X}. And then I drive after I fish {D: tore my pole up} I could not get {D: George} {X} with rain. Interviewer: {NW} 505: And we got there and wh- when we got in rain, come and fish {X} if we had been coming from, the riverbank up there. Ya we- we go fishing. We love that. But honey you talking about something real {D: when I had} my first {D: living} husband we living up {D: in there}, {D: pre-coming} through that {X}. And he like {D: nets}. Now that's the way he fish. {D: Nets} in the {X}. Now he- he do it but he's so {X} a handful but he's like that. He likes his {D: net}. He- he ain't {X} to fish. {X} fish net. {X}. {D: Soon}, I paddle up and down the river. {D: Mama} {X}. {NW} I paddle up and down the river. Now when we {D: live at} the bottom {X}. I had a, put people's clothes and stuff {X} come to school. All his {X} he had saw {X}. Sometime that water change and the boys keep paddling keep it going, couldn't swim a bit. And I'd be still in the river. {D: A boat} by myself {X}. I never had no bad luck the Lord taking care of me. {X}. I couldn't swim but, I paddle the boat, but mother didn't want us {X}. And we got to the {D: net}. He said I {X}- I be the {X} home. I said pull that {X} out of here. He pull that {X}. I said uh-uh! I said {X}. {NW} {X} fish come back. {X} he couldn't get good {X}. I said uh-uh I said you- you- you been here with me. I said uh-uh {X}. And uh- no man {X} he said, {X} uh-uh. I said I can't see them {X}. You- don't you know I had {X}. he said I'm gonna put boat {X} fish. So he {X} everyone back {X}. Get the fish {X}. And then they put me on the back I {X} pole. And I caught a {X} like that. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: I say y'all {D: ready to do it} {X}. I finally got the fish in the- in the net and {X} tired and you know why he wouldn't {X} jump out. He didn't have no {X}. I said {D: Dean}. He said what? I said you {D: get a} {X}? {X}. I said here's a fish in that {D: long gun}. And {X} working at that {D: technisty} shop where he at. {D: It's got a minute}. {X} put my {X}. And this {D: and our} fish look look to be bigger, {D: You know those big long}. But uh, he look like he had got {X} in water like that. He was in there long but the- and everything went {D: dead}. Try that. Otherwise {D: you're gonna do} bad fish. come back some kind of way and jumped {D: out of} {X} that's a big fish. Interviewer: Mm. I bet it was. 505: It was a big fish. {D: But did he} {X}? No. He went to his nets one day, and had to come back home to one of us {X} {D: you don't have that}. Bill cross {D: trees} to get to the river you know. But they had {D: rolls} there but you know the water was there. And Bill {D: stay} {X} for {X} {D: George ya} he just said come {X}. He stayed with me and my husband. And I see him come running walking so fast and {D: I don't wanna} {X} Bill. I've been {D: getting} {X} you know. I said now I know {D: Dean ouldn't have made} Bill. I said {X} really {X}. I- I- look like it was {X} come to a {X}. She got {X} them. {NW} He s- he see me come out yard and {X}. I just come back to {X}. I said for what? {D: Shoulda mean} {X}. I say you tell me a {D: story why is Bill}? He down there. He came up here fish the {X}, that's why I {X}. He said I'm gonna put {X} {D: on the horse lawn}. Take that {D: hidden} gate out of that thing and, {X} {D: nail, put more} {X} {D: lying all day}. And did you know that everyday's a {X} day? And then Bill took some, {X}, it had lure the fishing {X} nets. Bill catch {D: cats} from here and you know how small {D: you keeping them wound nets} you don't see them {X}. {NS} {D: Maybe he did.} What was it? A hundred and- hundred and some pounds of fish. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Sure did. Cause see they- they- they {D: leaving}, {X} but they had to cross some trees. And that water, was just about up to the whole stomach deep. The creeks they had to cross {X} was a {D: road} but, you know how to Interviewer: #1 Right. # 505: #2 one of them # uh, we use- we walk on that when it's, you know {X}. {NS} {X} {D: horse} and put that, {X} because, he suggest, put that in {D: the gate and carry it on back with him}. Put that, {X}. I don't know how to fix it {X}. As he once did {D: then} {X}, put that fish in a sack and {D: brought him home}. Sure did. All my peoples used to come by, and always help cause my {X}. {D: The creek come through there} we use the {D: same} {X}, and catch fish and fry them on the back of {X} {D: and we would fix} {D: food} you know {X}? Do you know that's some {X}? Interviewer: #1 I bet it's # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: good. 505: What you talking about? Sometime we have peas, {X}, {X}. {NW} {X}- {D: we have cream in- in fridge} you know {X}. Interviewer: Right. 505: We were I- I have to tell you, I really have enjoyed my life I work hard all my life but I ain't very {X}. When I had a husband I- I have to tell you I had two {D: good of them} {X}. I know you {D: ain't} {X} I don't think I never will {X} but I don't think I {X}. It's hard to {X} they is right behind each other. Interviewer: That's true. 505: But I did. I had two good husbands. The one that, {X} {D: dive up}, {X} there he got {D: in his bed}. {D: He has}- he sold a place at the {X}. He and his sister sold it. And I sold a house {X} {D: since} I been here. I decide I gonna never {X} house. He says {D: I been here}. {D: She- I'd given her} {X}. Don't have a sister and brother {X}. She got her share and I got mine {X}. But we used to have some good time {D: at the home in} {X}. Saying {D: they got sun but you don't got that saying and big saying catch all the fish and you can}? How {X} was the one that washed the fish and, put that {D: wash} {X} that grease in there, get that great big bowl and {X} that fish {X}. {X} it was {X} you can keep {X}. Sometime we have barbecue with the fish and all like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 505: {X} {D: in} {D: gray} {X}, and- and- an- an- an- an- and the rest of us crazy about whiskey. {X} and get some corn whiskey {X} {D: whiskey} {X}. They had the thing that you need to {D: drink}. We have {X} {D: we aren't trying to} {X} my husband and me. {X}. We are always {D: family} always have stuff together like this. {D: The rest}- the most of them lived {X} we would just get together. When we had {X} {D: all four years and} {X}. We all would just {D: join in and} be at home. Interviewer: Talking about, whiskey, what do people around here call homemade whiskey? 505: Call it corn whiskey. Interviewer: Corn whiskey? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Ever heard it called anything else, besides that? 505: No. Someone- someone call it {D: white light}. Interviewer: {D: White light?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 Moonshine or something like # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 that? # 505: #2 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: That's what I'm thinking they do a lot of in Alabama. 505: Oh my {D: child child}. {X} {D: would}. {D: I wanna hear} {X}, and all we {X} you can find a {X}. {NW} You know {X}, in the bottom of these {X} {D: in the bottom}. and here that {NS} right over there. For when I- when my first husband and I were {X}. And I wa- it {X}. Ya it was {X}. Them white peoples went out and dug holes, and see me and {X} them holes, {D: and you go ahead and {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And they are {D: bad} you know? And put them {D: a pump} out there. And I'm a {X} see they had been {D: running out of their time for} {X}. And they get out one day {X} said, {X}. I had not noticed {X} back there but I {D: ever been to a} {X} you talk about getting. I ain't got to wait in there. I ain't never seen {X}. Oh ya. You {X} {D: that's round} you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and that there on the ground {X}. That {X} use and- an- an- and another they had was harmless. You get that big old {X} put all your {X}. Interviewer: Oh ya? 505: That's what they had. {D: Should I} {X} took my little child {X} {D: through the woods} {X} {D: because I'm there}. And the next- next- next {D: week it}, {D: remember when he was coming} {X}. And when I went to get- I was {X}. I had been working. And I think {D: that} then we didn't have {X}. I was {X} {D: and I had}, my {D: farm} made out of yarn {X} I'm on the back porch. I heard some boom boom boom! {D: I} jump. I say what is that? I say Lord {D: there} I said {D: did- does this) {X}. Now, in the {X}, {X} right at the house you know. But he was shooting at this man running from the {X}. He, he had thought the man went back, down towards the house, the house for {X} that, mill house up there. He {X} back down the road. But how he come out and got in that, in that {X} by my house I don't know. I see you. and the man in {X}, he went back down and he- and he {D: lost them}. He said which way my {D: side door}. I said {X} right through that thicket. I said keep on down that hill I said {X}. {D: I said to him hit them woods}. He {D: went on}. He said {D: do you know that kid but} I say no. And I looked and looked {X} see the man until I got {D: down}. I was out here {X} a guy the other day, he come on tripping through the house. He did {D: scare me} {X} those- those um- there are two rooms, but the hole come between the two rooms you know, on the back porch. And he go out of the front on the front porch. And the kitchen was on the back but I- but I'm on the back porch by the kitchen. He said uh- he got no {X} he said I'm doing wrong {X} He said hello. I said hello. He said {X} I said {X}? He says I ain't done nothing what I {X}. He said you see the {D: man}? I said, {D: a man}? I said what about him? {X}. I didn't tell him nobody. He said, you don't think {X} {D: hidden in the barn}? I said I ain't ever been to no {X}. I said what to do that. And I know it as good as yo- you- you do {X}. He said {X} {D: make whiskey at}. I said oh. {D: What, down in the barn}? {D: He said ya}. He said I'll show you {D: a guy and say he come}, like he's coming up this hill and but, I see his tracks in the {D: dirt and}, in that {X} but I know he didn't. {D: For that} boy come out the way we didn't come we be coming fishing and he just, he'd ran so fast he {X}. Made {X} {D: track} with his old {D: track} {X} {D: track}. And I say no he not here I say you wanna look through the house? he looked at me he said I take your word. I said you {X} go on through and look. {D: He been wanting to} {X}. I said {X} look if you want. I kept {D: on lying}. He said no {D: he in here}. He {X} out there he {X} his head {X}. And just {X}. Ya he walked in {D: looks}. He- he- {X} he- he {D: better believe} I hit him. {D: Said} myself {X} ain't nobody never hit nobody {X}, and I'll be {X}, and you, you can {X}. And so the {X} {D: walked on} {X} very much different. And they {X} and then they ain't got a white man {X}. And every time it's {B} that come up. from {X}, they be {D: down the river}. {D: Hi}. {D: That's fine for you}. {X} is your husband good to you? I said he {X} {D: be there}. {NW} He said- he said that if he don't treat you right you let me know and I'll take him away from you. I said what you gonna, {D: put on my} {X} you take him away from me? He said don't he make whiskey? I said he won't make no whiskey {D: staying with} me. Your husband drink whiskey? I said I'm mad that you {D: drink. I see you drink some I know} {X} but I see him drink. I said better {X}, from um, somewhere, and {X}. I know that he drink whiskey but he- I'm gonna tell him, I know he drinked it. He said um, but if he don't be good to you let me know and I take him {D: under. You tell me}, why he got his whiskey {X}, taking {D: him out of your way}. And you go where you want. I said I'll {X}. {NW} I said- I said now here {X}. He said I don't know. You know- you know a {X}? I said yes. Well is he um I said he {X} a while a go. {D: Whatever size} a man {X} {D: heavy set}? He said {X}. Now listen {X} didn't know {X} ya he's up that home a while ago and he was talking to {D: Joe}. {NW} And {X}. {X} told them {X} what kind of clothes you have {X} I didn't know that was his brother. He said {D: I don't notice but}, he run across the field and he uh said I know why {D: you were}. He said well I'm {X}. And they thought that someone had {D: done wrong} last year so they, {X} I did tell them Joe just had come in from uh, Oak Ridge. {X} say you work there. {X} even with his {X}. {D: So the others} say well you didn't catch him now did you? So you can't take the next {X}. Said but {X} come in for {X}. So he- he- he didn't- he a- he met with some {X} one day and was {NS}{X} {D: and he was talking to} {X}. But he just didn't know it. Ya he should be {D: afraid of a playground} here child. You should be {D: lone} {X} {D: hang in the middle}. Those {X}. {NW} Make me mad {X}. Interviewer: Mm. When we were talking about the house a minute ago and you mentioned the living room? Have you ever heard people call the living room anything other than that? 505: No I don't think I have. Let me ask you a question since you ask me that. Interviewer: Okay. 505: Which room in your house is the most important room {NS} {NS}{X} Interviewer: {NS}{X} that they- family would entertain guests or some- 505: No I mean just which My- my- my- my home demonstration they'd have asked this question and uh all them were saying living room and different rooms and I says {X}. And she said I right, so I tell them {D: as you} I'm asking you which room that you think is the most important part in your- of your house. Interviewer: Hmm. That's a tough question. Uh, I guess maybe the- the place where you eat you know if that was {X}. 505: Ya you right. That's what I said. All of them was saying the living room some was saying the bed room, and uh, she said I used to {X} {B} And I said well I {D: miss} {B} {X} that could be the kitchen. I said {D: girl that's where you}- you got to prepare your food. I said the most important place and I said you gotta be, particular how you keep your {X} clean you know. I said I bet them {D: par-} part of your house is the kitchen. So it was a- but I- I {X} the living room. So it {X} said she said well, it's a furnace sometimes {X} {B} {X} she said- she said now I asked a question I had to wait and get my decision to {D: give and see what} {X} said. Say I'm gonna {D: crash this} {X} {D: boat}. I {D: thinked} about it. {X} with me. That living room over here was {X}. {NW} Someone said the bedroom cause that's where you got to sleep at. {D: And so} {X}. She- she kind of put me on the {X} like I put you over there. {NW} She said to me said um, {D: miss} {B} how come you think the kitchen should be the most important place? I said {X} when you eat, you even want your food to be clean. I said {D: why} {X} to prepare your food. You want it to be clean, and sanitary. I said cause that food is uh, it the {D: nourishment of} your body. I said you- and then uh- you have t- if you get germs in there I say you got germs. I say you have to be particular that's why I think. I said now, I could be wrong I said that would be mo- my most {D: important} {X} in there. I want all part of my house to be, clean, and I said I ain't got nothing that nice in there I said but I wanna be clean I said but I think the kitchen is most important place. So, someone woulda {X} in here when {X} {B}. I said now miss {B} may I ask you a question? Yes ma'am. I asked her which place do you think? She says I'm not, {D: assuming against} nobody but your kitchen your most important place. All of them but I would have thought the living room. I said well, it's nice to have your living room nice and all part of your house nice. I said but, that kitchen supposed to be kind of sanitary. I said now I ain't never had my kitchen {X} in my life. {X} {D: we good at home} {X} and after my husband died I, I made a {X}. Now I had {X} cause we built that house. But since I been here and been by myself I- I don't keep the house. Say I have to tell you the truth and you have to forgive me for {X} cause I ain't clean {D: today}. {NW} Ain't nobody here with me I {X} I got {X} {D: not happening}. So I'm begging you forgive- forgive me for {X}- Interviewer: No use to apologize if you- looks very nice to me. 505: {X}, I ain't done a thing gonna strip my bed {X}. I still in bed you know {D: after} day to {X}. I got him taking some medicine {D: now}. He kind of live like um, got another stool and gone pick them beans and things, and I ain't come nowhere. Now I- I'm gonna {D: mop} about forty days ago. But I sure hadn't been {X}. Interviewer: Tell me about living room. Have you ever heard people call the living room parlor or anything like that? 505: I have heard them tell me that they have a parlor. Interviewer: That's the same thing or something different? 505: I don't know. Now tell me {D: what you} {X} tell you a little story that you don't know you don't know do you? Now I'm a b- uh- they tell me come on in my parlor. Now some tell me what the- {D: that I thought} parlor. It's- it's- it's a {D: similar} to a living room they got, couches and chairs and sometime uh- {D: different} you know, types of furniture in there you know and {D: this most} but while you go and sit and talk and you know and conversation and {X}, if you got some push {D: sense of somewhere you're sitting drink some kind of} {X} {D: drinks or something like that}. Now that's what some of them call a parlor. Interviewer: Ya. 505: Now some of them {D: they have them} call them {X} rooms and got dens and different things. And so I don't know. People's got different names for different things. Interviewer: About how big would you say this room is? 505: Twelve by fourteen. Interviewer: And the ceiling's about...? 505: Seven and a half. Interviewer: Now when you were talking about the house that you were growing up in I don't remember if you mentioned it or not but did you have a- a fireplace? 505: Mm-hmm. We had that, room I tell you one room that uh goes all the way {D: other room}. Well that {X} was a {X} room. Now we had a {X} with the {X}. Double chimney. You know I- I kinda {D: we kind of run} like a {X}. Now uh, how we live. If it- if it {X} live, when I was small we had double chimney. Stack chimney {D: though}. Interviewer: Right. 505: {X} {D: sat down} mm-hmm. And they uh, a shed room on uh- that's what the {X} you know they {X}. {D: They'd have to do a} {X} too. But we always have a- have a {X} fireplace. Interviewer: You mentioned a chimney. You- you know these big things that you see on some factories where the smoke comes out? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Now what do you call those? 505: They call them the stack- stacks- smoke stacks they tell me. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Talking about that fireplace, you know that open area right in front of it? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What do you call that? 505: The fireplace? That's where you put your wood. Interviewer: {D: That}- the area right in front of it? 505: Oh the hearth? Interviewer: #1 Right. # 505: #2 Ya # The hearth. Ya. The uh- The foyer run into the fire- uh- wa- i- is fireplace. That's the hearth there now. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Uh-huh. And sometime you have a mounting board for it. Interviewer: #1 Right. # 505: #2 {D: fireplace}. # Interviewer: Right. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And those things that you- that you put the 505: #1 Those uh- # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: Urns? Interviewer: What do you call those {D: the great}- the big things that you burn in the fireplace? You'd say 505: #1 {X}? # Interviewer: #2 you'd put on a- # 505: What you mean uh- is it uh- Interviewer: You know the wood the big round things you- so you put on your you're gonna put on a big what to burn? 505: Back stick? Interviewer: Back stick? 505: Ya. Big- big round block of wood but its {X}. That's the back stick and you should've {X} here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Put your spit- put the stick wood on. Interviewer: Oh ya. 505: Keep it from being {X} and see that builds this up and then that, {X}. Interviewer: Oh ya. 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: {D: Now the} stack- {D: now the} kind of wood that you use to start it that's the... 505: Kindling. Interviewer: That's the kindling. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call that anything else? {NS} 505: No. I don't think I have. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Like just now} you can go out there and get a look, {X} {D: plank} I didn't take {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Well you see {X} if you could- if I {D: didn't have one of those} {X} you used to get {X} if you don't have no {X} Interviewer: #1 Ya. # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Right. 505: And so you start to burn this- won't be long before you got to you know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: You know people {D: who like is enjoying} but they have nothing to do now when their {D: head gets} {X}? Is you paying attention to that? {D: I born in} {X} but honest to goodness if I had somebody to cut me wood, now I got a, did you see the chimney in my kitchen? Interviewer: I don't think I did. 505: It- it's a {X} built from the ground. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: You didn't see it? Interviewer: Mm-mm. 505: That's the only thing I had- I had all in this house. {NS}Here it is. {NS} {NS} {NS} Now that's built from the ground. Now that's- Interviewer: Oh ya. 505: Uh-huh. That's when it's built {X}. Now that um {D: the jack} {X} I can tell from the top of the bar because back when I was {D: got here}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 505: Now you have a {X} {D: here} and a- and a {X} in there too. Interviewer: Oh ya. 505: Ya. Interviewer: #1 Well that's- # 505: #2 Hmm. # Interviewer: that'll be- that- that'll be very useful. 505: And my sister been trying to get me to take that down. I tell her uh-uh. No I'm not neither. Interviewer: I wouldn't either. 505: Uh-uh. Now see {X} go out top of his building {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I say that {D: adds} stationary house {X}. Cause it's in the ground. Interviewer: Right. 505: Mm-hmm. It is built like that {X}. Interviewer: You were talking about kindling, {NS} when I was uh- I've been talking to you for- you know doing this interview, they'd call it light wood? Or lighter? You ever hear of that? 505: My husband would {X} call it {X}, {X} {D: shaving}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {X} stuff to call that lighter wood. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: There they call it shaved or {X}.