Interviewer: Okay say a say a man who {D: trying to eat a piece of meat} but uh his throat was real sore. He said I'd- I'd sure like to eat that but my throat's so sore I just can't? 505: Swallow. {NS} Interviewer: What about you know these uh things that some people smoke? Some people. 505: Cigarette? Interviewer: And the other things are? 505: Cigars? {NS} Interviewer: Well what about uh you might say somebody offers to do you a favor and you might say well I appreciate it but I don't wanna be? 505: I don't wanna be rude. Interviewer: Okay or? Maybe I don't wanna be uh? You know you {D: don't want to feel like you} {C: rooster crowing} have to do him a favor in return? You might say {C: rooster crowing} I don't wanna be a? 505: An an uh I don't know uh I don't wanna be a a. {X} Interviewer: {NW} What about uh let's say uh somebody comes to you about Sunday and asks you to do some work for 'em? You might say well now I got up and worked before sun up and I all I'm going to. {X} 505: Going out of town {NW} Interviewer: Now what about lets say that there was like a um uh just a terrible accident up the road and there {X} wasn't any need to call a doctor because the victim was? 505: Already dead? Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} Let's say uh let's say you go out in the field and you take a look at the corn and the corn seemed to be just kind of short, you know this year and you kinda puzzled about it because well you might say well at this time of year it? 505: Tend to be larger but the {D: dry season.} Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever heard a little boy uh talking maybe to another little boy and he'd s- he'll say uh well I'll dare you to go through that graveyard at night but I'll bet? 505: {D: I bet you hang a bit.} Interviewer: {NW} {NW} Well what about uh {NS} let's say if you if you got something to do that was just horrid work and you had to do it yourself and a friend of yours was just standing around without helping you #1 at all # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: you might turn to 'em and say what? 505: Look like you would have to do something. That's true. {NW} Interviewer: Well what about, talking about the possibility of you being able to do something, you might say well well I'm not sure that I? 505: I'll try. {NS} Interviewer: Tell me about, what is this bird you know that's supposed to be able to see in the dark? 505: A bird? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: What kind of uh well I know uh he's a bird too that comes to the {D: dark} but I know uh I don't confuse {X} to see in the dark. Uh {D: a bat mostly.} Most other birds can because a bat I know can see in the dark when he flies. Interviewer: Well what about this {D: bird} that sound kind of like? {NW} 505: {D: Alright?} Interviewer: {NW} You hear it at night? 505: {D: Hoot owl.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Oh yes. {D: Now we're} talking about them things. {NW} {X} {X} {D: We was small growing up}, {D: the moment I saw} {X}. #1 {D: But we had a} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: {X} that we had {X} with. And that {D: those are pecan trees} {D: over there.} {X} And mama said {X} {D: screech owl is gonna get you.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: So you'd best stand away from {D: guessing young} sun and out running and the thing'd peck you {D: there.} So we're down there you gotta pick me up and come onto the things like this and go around but that's soon I guess for the younguns. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And when they come back to the senior and that bill are {X} {D: you talking about down when people bit me.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Sir a {X} a screech owl. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Now that hoot owl I'm not scared of that. Interviewer: Well talking about birds, what's that kind of bird that drills holes in the trees? 505: Pecker wood. Interviewer: What about this animal that if you mess with it it'll give off a powerful smell? 505: Skunk. Interviewer: You ever heard those called anything else? 505: No I haven't. Skunk {X} a mink is uh kinda other too. Interviewer: People ever call skunks polecats? 505: Why is a polecat and a skunk the same? Interviewer: I've always thought they were. 505: Well they tell me a polecat a- and a skunk is different. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: That's what they say. Interviewer: The way they both smell bad you know? 505: Well what is this here that cuts down these trees and? {X} Interviewer: Oh that's a beaver. 505: Then uh uh have you ever eaten it? {NW} Well they tell me it's some good meat. Interviewer: Is that right? #1 No I never # 505: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: #1 {D: really.} # 505: #2 {D: whenever} # {D: the boys feel out there they quit answering me.} He killed one and the- and the boy said uh people go hunting and {D: places in here in here in his car.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: It's a big but really that's some good meat. I have never seen one, you know {D: no more than one.} Interviewer: Yeah. Well I've seen them I I didn't- I didn't know you know they were eat the meat of it. 505: Well the boy the boy he go and ask you and he said he's good. Said he shot it {D: but he got itself pretty good.} Interviewer: Well tell me about what would you call just any sort of animal that that might be liable to get in your hen roost you know and kill your chickens? #1 You would just call # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: {D: an ol''?} 505: {D: Or how is as} good an opossum is a really good but. Interviewer: You might #1 say? # 505: #2 {X} # What is them old things skunk. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And they could- they catch your chicken and just like {D: that small and she got that} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and just cut the head off. Interviewer: Oh yeah? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of people call all those animals together just call 'em varmints or something like that? 505: I would just call them varmints {D: over there.} {NW} Interviewer: What are these little animals with bushy tails that you see {C: rooster crowing} jumping around in the trees you know? 505: A squirrel. Interviewer: Are there different types? 505: Uh-huh. Fox squirrel and gray squirrel and it's a white squirrel. Interviewer: White squirrel 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well have you ever seen anything that look kind of like a squirrel but didn't {C: rooster crowing} climb on trees? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Uh-huh. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Stayed on the ground? 505: Flying squirrel. Interviewer: Flying squirrel? 505: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Well one kind of animal {C: rooster crowing} looks like a squirrel but might burrow in the ground? 505: They tell me I haven't seen them. You're telling me a groundhog kind of {D: is a squirrel didn't you?} Interviewer: Groundhog? {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Uh-huh.} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: {NW} {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Now I ain't seen no groundhog} {C: background noise} {D: And I} {C: background noise} {D: I guess I have.} {C: background noise} {X} {C:background noise} {NS} {D: And I saw going in and} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: background noise} {D: And I saw it and it was} {D: here that told me that} {X} {D: But like he would} he {D: looked kinda like a pig to me.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: That groundhog I saw.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: {D: But I}- I don't know nothing {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Afraid not um then. Interviewer: Never heard of a ground squirrel or or something like that? 505: Uh no no I call them flying squirrels. Interviewer: Flying squirrels? 505: Uh-huh they run on the ground all the time. You won't ever see them upside a tree. And them things can get it. That's when I well that's I used to see them when I used to go to a store and when I see my grandmother down here. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: We used to {D: chop them things} {D: said I was going to down this road.} Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 {D: Chop.} # {NS} Don't you want some more? {X} Interviewer: I think I'm about ready for some. 505: #1 I'll go get you some. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} What kinds of fish did you fish for? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Something. {NS} {D: I'd throw out no kind of drink but I ought to see you.} {X} Interviewer: Oh no the water's fine I'd rather have water. As a matter of fact I drank too many of those. Uh. 505: It's got a- it got none ice in there. It ain't cold {D: little knockers.} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {D: Some is fine.} # Just one cup. 505: You was asking about fish? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Oh well the type of fish I know buffalo fish catfish {C: rooster crowing} and a cod fish. {C: rooster crowing.} {X} Sucker. And uh {D: sher} pike. And the bass and the trout and. {X} #1 Yes then uh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: in a {D: year.} {NS} Interviewer: Do you have black fish up here? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Naw I have never seen that. Interviewer: It's a gosh it's been a long time since I've seen a black fish. It's a ugly old thing. #1 Looks kind of like an eel. # 505: #2 Is it? # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Interviewer: Really not not not uh. 505: Look is it dark and look kind of is he got a platy is he a cat or what is it? Interviewer: It's not a cat. {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Yeah yeah uh let's see you there.} {C: rooster crowing} Now an now you wanna hear something? Catfish are called uh {NS} {NS} {X} I caught one of those they make it. {X} Anything I can kind of {D: beyond some spark that's} {D: darkest parts of it.} I forgets the name of my I may have thinking of the. {X} Interviewer: Oh {D: crappie are.} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} 505: You get uh y-y'all are looking {X} seeing if y'all are looking but they got different {C: rooster noise} dots blotching on your skin. {C: dog barking} Interviewer: Like a channel cat? {C: dog barking} 505: No {D: a channel cat is sitting over here got all his quit.} {C: dog barking} {NS} {D: And fish hairs on it} and it and this appreciates trying to. {C: dog barking} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: It's gonna do this {C: dog barking} {D: anything that these} {C: dog barking} {X} last time I wished I had kept on {D: that's a wiggly little fish} it's a catfish {D: all right up.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he and everybody I caught one the other day. {D: But it was real} Interviewer: #1 small. # 505: #2 Speckled cat? # Huh? Interviewer: Speckled cat? 505: No we call them uh. Interviewer: Well that's okay if you remember. {X} 505: Yeah but I think {D: but I ripped him.} Interviewer: Tell me about this thing that uh it's a k- it's kind of- kind of see through it really {D: that uh} has a shell you know and {X} {D: are supposed to grow there?} 505: Mm-hmm you talking about like um {D: muscle} shell. Interviewer: What? 505: {D: Muscle} shell. {D: You don't fish with them. You gonna take them and open them up} and some peoples takes them and take 'em home using {X}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: I mean you can- you can uh {D: go on out} some place like Mississippi or sometime {X} {C: rooster crowing} right here. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Is that the same thing as an oyster? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Now now you ask me a question now I'm gonna ask you. That's what I have never understood. Some people tell me that's the same thing that you call oysters. Interviewer: I think a muscle and an oyster are different but I 505: #1 don't. # Interviewer: #2 But # 505: {X} I'm gonna be frank with ya I really don't know. Because uh never did we find one you can find {X} {D: on the sandbars.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: But they're small {D: you know like they're not} {X} and the fish bites 'em good. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {D: The fish bait.} But uh, used to {D: bite on top of my.} {X} But I haven't been to river too many times. On the sandbar down here at the time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: But they tell me that's the same thing {D: as oysters}. {D: They got 'em on their knees.} {NS} Interviewer: I just don't know I can't tell you. 505: #1 {X}{C: rooster crowing then dog barking} # Interviewer: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing then dog barking} # 505: {X} {C: dog barking} Interviewer: About the size of your hand? {C: dog barking} {X} {C: dog barking} 505: Yeah. {C: dog barking} {X} {C: dog barking} They {X} {C: dog barking} uh-huh. {NS} When my daddy was sick {C: dog barking} {D: my mama she liked to.} Mother used to fix them for him and take him to {X} and then she would uh {D: put butter on them you know}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he would eat 'em {D: like that}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And uh sometime {D: you cook them right there and} {X} {X} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: But that now you got} {D: me on that oysters I don't} I really don't know. {NS} Interviewer: Well what about this uh these things that you find around a pond? You know they make a croaking kind of sound? They can jump. #1 {D: If they just?} # 505: #2 Oh a bullfrog? # Interviewer: Bullfrog? 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What about the kind of might be a? {C: rooster crowing} {X}{C: rooster crowing} 505: A toadfrog? {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: That's a toadfrog? 505: Mm-hmm and {D: there is a} spring frog {D: he can leap further} than a bullfrog can but he's {X} {D: may look a bullfrog but he's small}. Interviewer: {D: About a little?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well you were talking about turtles a minute ago. What would you call one that lives only on- on dry land? {D: That'd get in the water}. 505: I haven't- I haven't saw one that just live on dry land. Most turtle you see here they come and {X} water. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And do you know? Interviewer: Have you ever heard of the terrapin? 505: {D: Oh God yes I} {X}. {D: that's a goddamn terrapin.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Their babies they'll go} they goes in what {X} and things like that. But uh. Interviewer: Have you ever heard a terrapin called by any other name? {NS} 505: No I haven't. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of people calling 'em {D: gophers}? 505: No. Call them {D: gophers}? Interviewer: Some people do. 505: {D: Yeah?} Interviewer: I've heard that. In south Alabama. 505: Ya {D: gophers}. Interviewer: {D: Yup}. 505: {D: You learn it} {D: someday}. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: What about this uh this thing that you find in streams? It's- it looks- it looks a little bit like a a tiny uh lobster or something. It's got claws on it you know and? 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Crawfish # 505: {D: shrimp.} Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And this is something else that it's a seafood. Uh, oh I don't know kind of a got kind of a fan tail you know? They're small, about that size? {D: You getting uh} oh, you might ask for a few pounds of 'em you know at the fish market? 505: Oh you mean uh, shrimp? Interviewer: Right. 505: {D: Shrimp.} Interviewer: {X}. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I wanna ask you about some different kinds of uh insects. What about uh you know these insects that like to fly around light bulbs? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {D: Who are those}? 505: {D: The most of 'em would be lightning bugs.} And some of them they uh camouflage. And some of them be. {X} {X} And them things {D: the inside is} a little bit black I mean, if they {D: backed here} {D: to the} #1 {D: place that they feel like you've been} # Interviewer: #2 Yep. # 505: {D: burned.} {D: And- in the moment.} And {D: lightning bugs'll do that too.} Interviewer: What about those things that'll get in your clothes and eat 'em up if you're not careful? 505: Uh mites. Interviewer: Mites? 505: Some folks call 'em. {X} Interviewer: What about moths? 505: Yeah that's- that's- that's the same thing. Interviewer: Same? 505: Some folk call it {D: a lot} mites and some call it moths. But uh I've been {D: advised many} moths smaller just like those {X} moths. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And the chifforobe got two chifforobes {X} {D: armoires} some of them and get tired of them some of them might {D: kill them}. {D: I can't} {D: so I keeps moth balls in there then they have to keep them from} the moths from getting in the clothes. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what about uh this is an insect that you see around ponds a lot when you're fishing. It's got a real {D: slender} body #1 and transparent? # 505: #2 Mm. # Interviewer: {X} 505: Wings. Interviewer: {D: Alright} it flies around and sometimes it'll light on your pole and you have to shake it off? 505: Snake doctor? Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. {D: And I like to see that. I thought once you was talking about a tadpole}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Uh what is a tadpole? Interviewer: A tadpole? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: That's a- that's a very young uh frog. {X}. 505: And you know? {X} {C: roosters crowing} Interviewer: {NW} {C: roosters crowing} 505: {D: As you did}. I said how you gonna swim in the water? {X} {X} {C: rooster crowing} So it used to be some {X} I say he go {D: home.} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And I didn't wanna believe that I really didn't I was small you know. I didn't wanna believe. Interviewer: {D: This is where he is}. 505: {X}{C: rooster crowing} I'm gonna tell you the truth I didn't. I said mm-mm. You can't {X}. Interviewer: {NW} {NW} Well tell me about some insects {X}{C: rooster crowing} 505: Well {D: a wasp} {D: lawn bee} and uh uh and yes {D: don't leave that honeybee out now.} Now some people say they wont sting but don't fool yourself. {D: And now you been running around} {X} {D: big old fish stood} right across in front of my house just like my mailbox {X} in front of my house. And it- it had a {D: hole} in it and uh {X} bees coming down that {D: had been had been years} {X} they got some. {X} {X}{C: rooster crowing} And my husband and {D: others got} {X} {D: throwing that thing and} you know kinda. {X} {D: Them things was fast}. {D: Stung} him so he didn't go {D: die.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: {X} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {D: One got his} {C: rooster crowing} his sister {X} {D: you couldn't understand them.} {D: And I'd knock him out.} And one {D: stung me on my arm} and I think one stung me on the neck too. {D: Them things.} {X} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Some people say you can put {X} stuff on your arm when you {D: going to get} {X} then they're gonna sting you. But I don't know what to do about that but I do know that if I cross. {X} Interviewer: Well what about these insects that make a big paper nest about {D: this size in the trees}? 505: Uh. {X} Interviewer: What's that? Oh yeah. 505: {X}. Interviewer: And what about the ones that'll uh build a nest in the ground {D: and swarm of them}? 505: {D: That was a.} {X} Interviewer: What about these little ones {D: you know that'll occasionally?} {X} 505: {D: Sweat bee}. Interviewer: {D: Sweat bee?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You have trouble with mosquitos much around here? 505: Yeah. You know {D: what} for a while. {X} And you can go down on the river {D: and a creature} {X} or a {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and you {D: I'd imagine} and you {X} you'd better have some. {X} Interviewer: {D: Right.} 505: {D: Cause it's} got a {X} {D: too much though that.} {D: I said that} {X} the river you know is cool Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: and they don't bother you. {X} But you don't know {X} and then that {X} and mosquito. {X} Interviewer: You mentioned a rattle snake and a {D: whippet} the other day. What other kind of snakes do you know about? 505: Uh {D: stinger snake}, {X}, {D: gob} snake, chicken snake, and uh, {D: copper back}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about these things that uh they're insects, they got those long kind of legs you know and they jump around in your yard? 505: Hopper grass? Interviewer: Some of 'em green some of 'em black. 505: You know I saw the largest hopper grass here. {NS} {D: Since} {X} I had never thought I would {X}. {NS} He was bigger than my thumb I had never seen one that large. {D: Real big black one.} And they say they come in here you know {D: they said} once they had {D: but they had to.} {X} The hopper grasses in some place {D: and it was eating their crops.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And {D: they knew} {X} {D: but I have} {D: I seen them here}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: It's {X} they're large they're {X} {D: their ordinary} {D: hopper green}. {D: And that's something.} {X} {NW} Interviewer: What about uh these are little tiny fish that some people use for bait when they go fishing you know? 505: {D: A little perches}? Interviewer: Perches or these look like kind of small shiners you know? 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 Oh- # 505: #2 {D: I}- # {X} {D: and some of them a little old baby} {D: carp and} {X} and things like that. Interviewer: Some people call them minnows or #1 {D: something?} # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. Call 'em minnows. # {D: You don't} {X} now I've been uh- you catch the- {D: I know how to get these.} {X} And just like if you wanna fish {D: up there but} {D: wild catfish} {X}. And-and uh a catfish {D: are more} catching them small perch {X} {X}. I had another perch {D: on you} {D: what belong that}? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I had a little perch {D: and I was fixing everything} and he got on that {X} {D: pulling my}- I said {X}. {D: And it had been sitting out there} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {D: near about as long as you've been.} {X} And I ain't never {D: gonna} {D: get it back} {X} {X} and when I got through {D: I was sweating}. But he too. {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: Say that} {X} and say you really wanna try I said no I said I figure I can pull anything {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I said me. He tore that pole up there. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Yeah. {C: rooster crowing} 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} She said if you hadn't got {X} it wouldn't have stopped 'til it got home. She said I. {X} But he told me {X} {D: let it get him} I don't know what {D: it was.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: She said she {X} um uh cat. Now- now you can- you can catch them uh blue cats. {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Why don't you better have you some to hold them things. Them things is really {D: something more.} Interviewer: {NS} Those things can get huge. {C: rooster crowing} 505: Hmm? {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Those things can get really huge. I know some people who fish for them around dams in Alabama. 505: Yeah? Interviewer: Oh and they talk about catching catfish they go up to a hundred pounds a piece, 505: #1 Yeah? # Interviewer: #2 something like that. # Just huge. And it's really funny what the way they catch it. {X} Some of them catch it with these, they're not really poles they're just, they're really a stump of a pole. It's only about that #1 long. # 505: #2 It's a reel. # Interviewer: Well. 505: And- and- and he can reel them in Interviewer: Yeah they have- they have these big heavy duty #1 reels. # 505: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: But what I'm talking about that the pole itself. It'd been about that long. 505: That's how long these {X} be. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: #1 They can take that. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And this thing is real thick #1 and uh. # 505: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: {X} 505: #1 I- I- I saw # Interviewer: #2 {X}? # 505: some of them. Interviewer: Yeah? 505: They done pulled that thing {D: sometimes those hands} {D: with the part you hold in your hands.} Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 The reel, # like you said a {D: reel style}. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {NS} I seen a man fishing with one {D: down here now}- {D: down here now, real {D: old reel} last year. And then some place back we call. {X} I saw the fish. {X} He can take that {D: bag in} in his hand, do it just like that. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Uh-huh. {NS} {NW} {D: My son brought me} {D: one.} My brother fixed {D: we eat it all the time} cause I never cook. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I never did know how to {D: but he'd} {D: pay eighteen dollars sometimes} {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: I can't- I- I was scared of it. He said I'm gonna {D: throw it harder now.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he show- showed me how to. {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: He said uh-uh. {X} well you can't {D:you can't show your mother} if you don't know. So you. {X} And so {D: finally he got a little.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well tell me about these things you know sometimes that uh collect in the corners of your ceiling and have to get a broom and sweep 'em out you know? 505: Dirt daubers? Interviewer: Dirt #1 {D: daublers?} # 505: #2 And then # sometimes spider webs #1 {D: can.} # Interviewer: #2 Right. # Is that the same thing as uh you see outside you know? Between bushes? {D: Spider webs talking about}? 505: Mm-hmm. Spider web. Interviewer: What about uh have you ever heard of a kind of a tree that you tap the uh syrup out of it? 505: Yeah they tell me you can tap a maple tree {D: to get the sap out of it} but I never saw it. I read about it. But I've never {D: seen it}. Interviewer: Well what would you call uh, a place where you have a lot of maple growing #1 together? # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Well {D: down near the bottom it's} they growing just as thick as they can be {X} {D: across the maple}. Interviewer: What about some- some different types of trees around here? {D: Names of 'em?} 505: Uh, there's uh {X} three kind of oak, white oak {D: dry grove}, red oak and. {X} And then there's some willow tree sycamore tree, and a pecan tree, hickory tree, and a, {D: gum} tree, ash tree. {D: And I call a maple} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: tree. Interviewer: What kind? 505: {X} {X} Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah. # 505: #2 Tree. # That's a {D: little worn tree} similar to mine over there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And uh {D: apple trees and all like that.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Peach trees. Interviewer: Well tell me have you ever heard of any kind of a bush that uh has, bright red berries on it and and old folks used to use it for tanning leather or something like that? 505: #1 No I don't think I have. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Ever heard anything, {D: called a shoe make or uh} {D: sumac} or anything like that? 505: {D: Shoe make?} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Now that's a weed.} And you'd {X} {D: called it a shoe make} but I don't. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: I don't even know.} {NS} {D: This has really good } {X} {D: but I don't know.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well what about this- this stuff uh these bushes that'll make your skin break out and itch if you get into it? 505: Poison oak. Interviewer: Poison oak? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is that the same thing as #1 uh? # 505: #2 {D: It's a vine} # {D: like} it grows up on trees {X} {D: anything}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And it grows on the ground just like it grows {D: upside of a} tree. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: I didn't keep.} {X} {D: But the roots} {D: it's in the ground}. Interviewer: {X} What about these berries that have kind of a a rough surface, you know? Some of them are red and some of 'em are black? Uh. 505: Blackberries? Interviewer: Blackberries {D: and?} 505: Yeah. {D: Now, well} {D: some of them} uh, is uh {D: wild blackberries}, but the {D: tame black berries} they be red and then they turn black {D: you know?} Interviewer: Are there some berries around here that aren't good to eat, that'll make you sick you know? 505: {D: No no there ain't.} {X} I know of. Interviewer: You don't have {D: any poisonous}? 505: {NS} We just have them. {X} Yeah. I know what you're talking about. Some of them grows {D: in town} the red berries and then it- {D: but it}- you don't eat them. #1 {D: Grow on a vine like that.} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. Yeah. # 505: I saw 'em in a they had plenty in {D: Paris}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: It was either} {X} she said uh-uh {D: no now} you can't eat that. And then we just {X}. {D: Our} neighbors in the- in- in the woods. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about these uh these tall bushes that have clusters of pink and white flowers on 'em? Uh, {D: got blooming} late in the spring you know? 505: {D: What you mean?} {X} Interviewer: Yeah, I don't know if you have any here or not. {D: You got any} {D: laurel}? 505: {X} Interviewer: Y'all have any of that? 505: Yeah {X} {D: we got} {D: where has the} flower like you see. {D: You got a big white flower}. Interviewer: {X}. 505: And then these are. {X} And they grows on my {X} you know around the low place? And they bloom down there {X} what the name {D: would be} what the name of it is I don't know. Interviewer: Yeah. Well what about this tree that you see a- a lot of here in the south it's uh, can grow to be a pretty big tree. Has these shiny green leaves you know and, big white flowers #1 on it. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # {D: She got one} {X} {X} small one. {X} {D: Hmm}. {D: She always give me more and she got} {D: a small one there in her yard left.} I- I {D: don't want to name them} {X} {X} from me when I was in {X}. Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 She had # {D: more} {X} {D: tree like that}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: But uh I forget the name of it now but I know what {C: rooster crowing} {X}. Interviewer: {D: Thinking of}, {C: rooster crowing} about magnolias? {C: dog barking} 505: Yeah. {C: dog barking} Interviewer: {X} {C: dog barking} 505: Yeah. {C: dog barking} Uh-uh! Interviewer: What about have you ever heard of any rhododendron? 505: No. {NS} What is that? {C: dog barking} Interviewer: {NS} Uh, it's uh, {D: you can really find it} {C: dog barking} {D: find it up in the mountains,} {C: dog barking, rooster crowing} {D: it uh} {C: dog barking} {NS} kind of got a long {C: dog barking} stem on it {C: dog barking} you know? I really {C: dog barking} I really haven't seen too many of them. I can't #1 uh. # 505: #2 Well # what did what did uh that- what i- what is something that you eat uh {D: just some kind of?} Interviewer: No no no it's just you know a- a flower you #1 plant. # 505: #2 Oh just a # flower. Interviewer: {D: Yeah.} {NS} What about uh, you know uh, a child in a family might have a, a special name you know, that the family gives him, and he- he's just called that within the family. 505: {NW} Interviewer: No where else. 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 What kind of # name is that? You say he's got #1 a? # 505: #2 Nickname # Interviewer: Got a nickname? {NS} And what is this thing that {C: dog barking} that has wheels on it you know, and you can put a baby in it? And uh. 505: Stroller? Interviewer: That's just a stroller? 505: Mm. Interviewer: Maybe say well I think I'll put the baby in the stroller and go? {C: dog barking} 505: {D: Walking}. {C: dog barking} {NS} Go walking. {C: dog barking} {NS} Interviewer: Let's say uh talking about uh maybe a person had three boys. One's twenty years old, another's fifteen, and another's ten. You would talk about 'em you know in terms of being grown up. You'd say that the one that's twenty is the? 505: {NS} He's the oldest. Interviewer: {NS} Okay. {C: dog barking} {NS} Well let's, let's see uh, {C: dog barking} you say that your children consist of your sons and your? 505: {D: How do you say that}? Interviewer: Your children would be {C: dog barking} all of your sons and all of your? {C: dog barking} 505: {D: Girls} {C: dog barking} {D: would be over there.} {C: dog barking} {D: Daughter.} {C: dog barking} Interviewer: Right. What about if a woman is expecting to have a baby? You say she's what? {C: dog barking and rooster crowing} 505: Pregnant. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Have you ever heard of any other expression- uh things that? {C: dog barking} 505: She is. {X} Interviewer: {D: Been?} {X} 505: Mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: What kind of {C: dog barking} if you didn't have a doctor around to deliver the baby, {C: dog barking} what's- what do you call the {D: woman that} you might send to help? {C: dog barking} 505: Midwife. Interviewer: Midwife? 505: Mm-hmm. {X} {C: dog barking} what the doctor say {D: that you} {X} cause here they. {X} Interviewer: Is that {D: right?} 505: She doctored {D: on a white income}. And uh, got out of my bed {D: and then they} {X} {D: the one that I like broke}. {NS} {X} people just like I was a {X} {D: they was at the house. No one} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and they had uh {D: wearing the} {D: sheet down on the floor}, {D: that really had to bring a sheet} {X} {D: and he did have a good father}. She was so sick, {D:I leave her afternoon} and it was so cold {D:you can't help the weather} {C: coughing in background} {D: He lived about two miles from us I guess} {NS} {D: well just assemble the} {X} {D: that's what she told me.} Mid day and {D: thank goodness she said and nobody in the} {D:station} I was sitting here by myself. Interviewer: {NW} {C: dog barking in background} 505: {D: She said my house been} {D: late last night so she could.} {X} {D: She begged me to do that for her but I never left.} Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call a midwife a granny woman? #1 Or something like that? # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Call her granny. Interviewer: {D: Mm-kay.} {NS} What about if a child has lost both its parents its called a? 505: {X} Interviewer: A child that's like that? 505: {D: Adopted?} Interviewer: Well might not necessarily be adopted if if the child has just lost both its parents you say its a? 505: {D: Mothers} {D: or fathers} {D: set.} Interviewer: Is that is that what you call it? 505: That's what I would say. Interviewer: Now is that the same thing as what some people might call an orphan? 505: Now yes {D: no no nah nah nah new} uh-oh. {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Now I take it and carry you to} {D: the place with the cohort that} well I had I had uh {NS} {D: I'd done be open to a child if I didn't have no home.} {D: And give it to the open home.} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: So that I just think if uh uh you know its just like if I lost my mother and daddy and didn't have nobody I'd be the same. I'd adopt this uh orphan child. Interviewer: And what what about if what would you call the person {NW} who might be appointed to look after {D: or at these?} 505: Adopted parents. Interviewer: Or maybe uh a guardian or #1 something like? # 505: #2 {NW} # No I didn't say that adopted parents they've got the same thing. Interviewer: What about if uh if you had a lot of your your cousins and your nieces and your nephews in the house you'd say that the house is all full of your? 505: People. Interviewer: Some of your people? Anything else you might say? 505: Family. Interviewer: Your family or your? 505: {D: So seats} {X} it would be the same as. {X} Interviewer: Or maybe your your kin? 505: My kin? {NW} Interviewer: What about you might say uh talking about somebody who who looks something like you you might say well? She she looks a little bit like me and she even has the same last name but actually I'm? 505: {X} Interviewer: Well she lets say she she does favor you she might favor you look a little bit like you she might even have the same last name but you say actually I'm no? 505: Kin to her. But it but since you said that {X} I read. {X} {D: And my children everybody say she's my sister} I don't hear the preacher {X} {D: are you related to sister here?} And I say well no more sooner alike. {D: You see you're on the fence sister.} And she calls me says do you {D: you got particulars so I can make this church over here this Sunday?} {D: And she run up on me she says hi sister.} {D: She grab me and then I say hi.} Interviewer: {NW} What about can you give me just a few names of uh first names for women that begin with an m? 505: Oh Mary Martha. Interviewer: Okay what about an n? 505: {D: Nin.} {NS} {X} {D: And a bit forward I got the names coming in.} {D: Nanny Nanny.} And what. And Nell. {NW} Interviewer: {D: Nell?} 505: Yeah I'd forgotten Nell. #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Yeah my mother's named that. 505: Your mother named that? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: #1 That's where you got you know that # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: And I got a colored name now they hadn't thought about} #1 that. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: {D: They said it round to 'em.} Interviewer: What about in the bible uh the first of the four gospels you know the others are Mark Luke and John and then you got? It begins with an m? 505: {D: Matthew} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: What about a a woman who who teaches school you'd call her a what? Anything in particular? 505: School teacher. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 A school teacher? # Do you ever hear any old fashion names for a woman school teacher? 505: If I did I don't remember 'em now. Interviewer: Mm-kay you ever heard of school mom? 505: School what? Interviewer: School mom. 505: No I believe not. Interviewer: {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} 505: Yeah? {D: I know when you're around just to get rid of you.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: You know it's different now.} {D: The surgeon that you know that} #1 {D: he was got giving names} # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # 505: #1 to different things. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: {D: And things that you don't hear today I never hear} {D: and things I never heard you you never hear.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: That's the way you're raised about growing up in here. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Cause I was {X} are you alright there you? How your kids? {X} {X} {D: And we used to their lives the same.} What is that? {D: Also it was just a} bang on two sticks against {D: right under there} you got uh. Interviewer: Now what'd you say this was? 505: {D: Sing.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. That's it we used to sing {X} at night. {NS} I wish we could be I wish I could sing more but {C: rooster crowing} {D: things they'd ask me about} {D: that I didn't know of them things I could tell them that they didn't know.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: So my gross my little} cousin came from Saint Louis when he was eighteen. {NW} {D: I can check his little thing.} {D: His accent'd be up.} At that time you know trouble and things {X} {C: rooster crowing} you know shows and things coming. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} You ever rode the ferry here? Yes I know what is that? He said um you just as dumb as you can be {X} {D: you didn't know what a home was.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: So I said that said there's there's there you know in a city I don't know #1 if I'd put it on. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 505: Ladies you don't know the {X} {D: riding with you.} So that's a different end people some people. {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: Whether your dogs are one part one part you're not.} Interviewer: You just get together and learn something. 505: {NW} You sure said it {X} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Well tell me this you ever heard of people call it a say a preacher {C: rooster crowing} who is really not trained to be a preacher he actually does something else? And he he might really not be that good at it uh y- you you heard ever heard people call somebody like this anything in particular? 505: Jack leg #1 would be that. Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Jack leg preacher? # 505: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: Thats what I hear 'em called. Interviewer: Can you have a jack leg anything else? 505: {NW} I don't know. Interviewer: Maybe a jack leg lawyer or? 505: Well yeah. Interviewer: #1 Doctor or? # 505: #2 {D: I'll go party and.} # {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {NW} {NW} {D: Look for real I said that that but uh I didn't mean to} {X} you know what? {D: The doctors and them not near all what they used to be like.} Interviewer: That right? 505: They look look like they needed it more expensive education then uh different now type of machines and things that and to my eye when I come onto old doctors this is old you doctors this is not. {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well tell me talking about uh names again can you give me the a name of a girl beginning with s? Uh. 505: Susie. Interviewer: Mm-hmm or there's a woman in the Bible? Wife of Abraham you know? Uh. 505: Sarah? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about if your uh. 505: {D: I don't know I thought of that cause that's my mother-in-law's name.} Interviewer: {NW} Well what about if your if your father had a brother named William that'd be your? 505: Uncle? Interviewer: Your uncle William. 505: Uncle. Interviewer: And if he had a brother named John that'd be your? 505: Uncle John. Interviewer: You remember in the uh what did you call what do you call the war you know that was fought between the north and the south about a hundred so years ago? #1 {X} # 505: #2 Was it the civil war? # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Interviewer: You ever heard that called anything else? 505: {D: I don't think I did.} {D: Now it's there again.} And unfortunately {D: that thing probably went a.} {X} {NS} {D: From uh} {C: rooster crowing} {X} in that on the {X} {D: the river the whole.} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: {D: I've been in it.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Do you do you remember uh hearing about Robert E Lee? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Do you remember what what rank he was in the army? 505: {D: Was he a} {D: well was he a corporal?} Would be a #1 {D: corporal or something.} # Interviewer: #2 I think he was higher than that. # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # {D: Uh at the end of the war anyway.} 505: {D: Ah now see he was the admiral there maybe.} And then I've read about it but I don't remember {D: ain't no nothing in my mind now.} Interviewer: General? 505: {X} I think I think you're right. Interviewer: Have you ever have you ever seen an old gentleman uh on TV ads he uh advertizes Kentucky fried chicken? 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: He wears his white suit and he's got a uh white mustache. {X} You remember his name? 505: No I don't {D: I'm mad I don't.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: I remember it.} {X} Interviewer: He's supposed they they call him Colonel Sanders? 505: Yeah. Interviewer: You remember that? 505: Yeah. {NW} {D: I got two to} {D: send me one.} {X} {D: Um} {D: keep getting me.} {X} {D: You know he ain't got no wife beaters left and I said I know baby I say} {D: they're building over there.} How come they're gonna be {X} I mean you go you get graded and you get out the way. {X} Yeah he got them wife beaters he got 'em {X} what she told me. Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: I'm learning.} Interviewer: {NW} Well what about uh what do you call a man who's in charge of the ship he's the? what of the ship he's the? 505: A ship? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Oh he's he's the owner isn't he? Interviewer: The owner or? You know the man who act- who is actually on the ship who's in charge of it who runs it you know? 505: He's the operator of the #1 ship? # Interviewer: #2 Operator # or have you ever would you ever call him the captain of the ship? 505: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Something like that? # 505: Yeah. Interviewer: Well what about the man who uh is in charge of the county court he's the? {NS} 505: Uh he's the {NW} {X} {C: rooster crowing} the clerk? Interviewer: The clerk or the one who actually tries the cases he's the? 505: Lawyer. Interviewer: The law and the lawyer? 505: {D: Is generous?} Interviewer: Right okay. Well what about uh a person who goes to to college to study you call him a? 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} College student? Interviewer: Okay. Well what about a man you know who who performs on a stage he would be called an actor? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 And a woman # would be? 505: Called a star? Interviewer: Star or or maybe a you ever heard not an actor but a? Maybe an actress or an act or something #1 like that? # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: {D: Yeah?} Now what about our nationality we're both what? We're not Germans but we're? 505: What you mean what uh nationality? Interviewer: {D: You know country that?} 505: Uh we uh United States? Interviewer: United States that means that we're? 505: American? Interviewer: Kay. Well what about um how would you refer how would what what would you call the two races you got? The? 505: Colored and the white. Interviewer: Okay. Now some some colored people don't like to be called colored do you have any idea of what else they would like to be called? 505: I don't know why they don't. {X} Interviewer: But you know what I'm talking about though? 505: Some some folks call them black. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: Yeah. And some uh its like uh {D: a white man and a colored man got into a pair} {NW} {D: and what they used to they had a song for that.} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: And the boy had been worked there {X} {D: I don't know what happened between them} but that night they were out and they were all drinking and they told him to. {X} {D: And so and I} {D: they had a ton of some kind of a powder.} Joe's says I ain't seen a nigger. He said now did a nigger work for you? And did you pay that nigger? Thats a long time ago. Interviewer: Mm. 505: He said his blood is red and yours is red what difference is it? He said that uh {D: before your first back} you stay a while you'd be dark I said you'd be just as dark as these. {X} {D: See you ought to treat people like you but he never did oh.} But there is some having fun in between and you and that. {X} There it's {X} {D: say I told him but meant and he would just.} {D: But it sometimes they'd throw them off a truck.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: Then then I know if there hadn't been two or three of 'em they would have whooped him. As they're fighting {X} I'm telling you. Interviewer: Mm. 505: He tried it. He got {X} {D: and you would've hit me.} {D: Killing him hitting with his big fist.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: {X} {D: Let's run.} {D: Cause he said} {D: and he} {X} {D: and I said we all got drunk and} getting to it some kinda like moved out that you know. {D: When we get out and give up his own place and get to stand giving thanks for each other} {X} {D: to distract from each other.} And that's that's that's stuff I hope I never I never {D: uh come in and borrow that.} That's I'm sixty-five years old I've never had a {X} my life. {D: White or colored I would work well with white I worked with colored.} {NS} And I ain't never {C: dog howling and barking} I never had I never I never had no falling out with a person that I still {D: in one kind beyond thirty} {D: that there's ten years} {D: I thought you done that go around pruning and pinning things} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: I won't race to you now no like.} And I see people quarreling with people by the way. If me and you {D: are sitting here talking about all I can wait.} {D: Invite me over} I'm uh when I'm gonna gonna {X} {D: you you personally would like to waste nobody.} Your way may be different from mine and mine be different from yours. {D: That's what I was thinking about} {X} If you think I'm wrong try and put me back on the right track they just don't hate me they ain't gonna hate me because I'm. {X} {C: dog barking} {NS} Interviewer: Tell me why was why was the what were the {C: dog barking} what were the {C: dog barking} white man probably call a colored man is he if he was uh {C: dog barking} if he was {C: dog barking} gonna insult him? #1 Make them mad? # 505: #2 Uh # a nigger. Interviewer: And what might a colored man call a white man if he wanted to make him mad? 505: A pecker wood And that's that's nonsense to either. {X} {D: If you play for her I say play.} If you won't {X} {D: just because I'm a nigger.} {NS} I told her now I said now now anybody can be a nigger. Did you ever thought about that? {C: dog barking} {NS} A person who's real nasty {C: dog barking} and don't have no respect and no {D: they have no regard why thats a nigger.} I told 'em I said I'm colored I said but I ain't no nigger. {X} I said any race can be a nigger. {C: dog barking} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: The door is how white you is or how black you is now.} {X} {D: You can be a nigger.} {NS} A person being a nigger to my appearance {D: no having no respect you only care for yourself nobody else.} #1 Thats the # Interviewer: #2 What could # if anybody could could be that could anybody be a pecker wood too? {C: dog barking} Or is that usually just associated with {C: dog barking} 505: #1 Yeah. {C: dog barking} # Interviewer: #2 whites {C: dog barking} # 505: Just just just a word that got used on a white just like you'd use on a nigger. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Uh {D: yeah nigger oh.} I tell her anybody can be a nigger though. And a pe- a peckerwood is a peckerwood. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: That's a bird. And you you why you're not a pecker wood you're white. Now why they gonna call you a pecker wood? Interviewer: #1 {NS} # 505: #2 {NS} # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Interviewer: #1 Well what about? # 505: #2 But do you know we got a # {X} {D: in here and I think that's a worse thing than niggers.} {D: You maybe introduced him maybe know his name is uh} {D: jury law.} Interviewer: The what? 505: {D: Jury law.} {D: Jury law.} Interviewer: Ah. 505: And he he's supposed to be a {X} in there and that's all he {D: call you.} {X} {D: Rubbernecks.} and I and he might've said well I think that's the worst and nastiest thing and you call a nigger {D: Jace.} And that nigger Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {D: he wrestles nearly every Sunday.} what was {X} and uh {X} {D: sad when you see them a in school year.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And that's uh he got enough money and now he's probably. {X} Interviewer: Hmm. If I had this house for money. {X} Well have you ever heard the another person call a another person a cracker? 505: No. Interviewer: Never heard of that? 505: {NW} No. What they mean about that? Interviewer: {NS} I'm not sure exactly what they mean but you hear it hear it a lot of the times um he's nothing but an old {X} cracker. 505: Yeah? Interviewer: Kind of old? #1 {X} # 505: #2 Slang word # Interviewer: #1 {D: Something like that.} # 505: #2 I guess. # This is some kind of old slang word I guess. No I never heard of that. {X} {D: I used to help them out but since he} {D: got some} {X} {X} I get sick of that. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: You get up there you red necks be quiet out there you black folks #1 just # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: asked to be quiet.} {X} {D: I think that someday as soon as we graze on the} {X} {NW} {D: but first you get in their type.} {X} Interviewer: Well tell me what have you heard of? You ever heard a person who's from the country called anything by city folks in particular? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Whats that? 505: {X} just like if I go to town and I'm on my way back {D: you're ignorant.} {NS} I can barely {X} {D: and you'd be as ignorant as I.} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 See? # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {D: That's why we say they say she don't lump.} # Interviewer: Oh. 505: You haven't been here in the morning you don't know. Now now now you've been you {D: thats right speak for you to know.} {D: More about him than you do about your home.} No. {D: So you haven't been here a moment.} {D: Now I can you can take me to your own.} {X} {D: Cause I remember I'd just be going around I would know.} {D: And no doubt you'd been round and go different places down there and then} {D: people places you know down there and you could go} {D: but you had to find your way back.} {D: Because you didn't give old ray shed you wouldn't you wouldn't look however but you'd know like I know.} all these {X} {D: and sometimes you may be on the wrong old side.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: But then they're gonna lie th-they're just gonna say you eating it?} No. {D: You just don't know because you hadn't believed in me and you hadn't been} {D: the business you're just trying to do.} Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a country person called a hoosier? {D: Thinking back.} {D: he's just more hoosier?} 505: {D: I hear 'em called happy maybe.} Interviewer: {NW} Mm-hmm. 505: There's old {X} you know. Interviewer: {NW} Is that right? 505: You {D: he's hurting rubber necks he can make me some soup.} {D: Sometimes if you'd become} {X} I said I'd say he makes me angry I say I don't get mad but {X} angry for being stupid I said that's stupid. Mm-hmm. I said now you've got new something going. Cut the nicks from over there well I said that ain't right. I say he's stupid. Yeah he's we sure did call him that. Interviewer: {D: Well you ever heard anybody say he's just an old podunk?} 505: {D: Over over podunk.} Uh-huh. Interviewer: {D: Podunk?} 505: No. Interviewer: Haven't heard that? 505: No I #1 haven't. # Interviewer: #2 It's # just an expression. 505: Yeah? Interviewer: You hear it somewhere. What about if uh if somebody was waiting on you to get ready so they can go somewhere they might call out to you and say uh you gonna be ready soon? {C: rooster crowing in background.} {NS} You might say well I'll be with you in? 505: Few minutes? Interviewer: Well what about if you were traveling and you think you're on the right road but you're not quite sure you might stop and ask somebody well how? 505: How far is distance to the road or what I'd {C: rooster crowing} what does this road lead you to? {X} And my sister said she's {X} I hardly ever put any more. {X} Interviewer: What about if I'm if you're trying to show me something that's here in the room? Try to point it out to me and I'm just looking around and I can't see it but it's in plain sight you might point to it and say? 505: #1 Where is? # Interviewer: #2 Well just? # Uh-huh. 505: Look in there. Interviewer: Uh-huh or look here? #1 Something like that? {C: rooster crowing} # 505: #2 Yeah maybe that. {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: Have you ever {C: rooster crowing} do you ever use that expression when uh when you uh oh scolding somebody like say now look here. 505: {D: Yes what would I do.} {NW} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: {NW} Yeah. Yeah you me I {X} {D: been lots of times I have trouble saying that this lookie here.} I said the very next time you do that you get in church with. {X} Interviewer: Oh? 505: Well well well I like it don't reuse the {X} we don't we know better but we just it's just old custom I say. Interviewer: Well tell what about if uh if you want to know how many times about something you say for example going to town you might ask somebody well {C: rooster crowing} well how? 505: How often is that what you're saying? Interviewer: Yeah. or let's say if uh if you're agreeing with somebody who's telling you about something let's say that this person says well well I don't think I'm gonna vote for Gerald Ford for president and if you agree with 'em you'd say well? {NS} 505: {D: I'd say well I'll vote your way and I'll vote mine.} That's what I'd say. Interviewer: Well let's say if you just happen to uh agree with 'em though and you're gonna do the same thing what might you say? he'd says I'm not gonna vote for him and you'd say well that's right. 505: That's what {D: I'm gonna make it.} Interviewer: I wanna ask you uh a few parts of the body this part right here what would you call that? 505: Forehead. Interviewer: Okay. Now uh this is my? 505: Ear ear. Interviewer: Which one is it? 505: Huh? Interviewer: Which one is it? 505: {D: This one in through here?} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: That's the right ear. Interviewer: And this is the? 505: Left. Interviewer: {D: Yep.} And this right here what about is my? 505: It's your left. Interviewer: Okay. And these are my? 505: Teeth. Interviewer: You got one? 505: {D: Mouth?} Interviewer: You got a mouth full of teeth but if I knock one out uh I got one? 505: {D: You have a dirty mouth.} Interviewer: Okay and just one of 'em you call a? 505: {D: One teeth.} Interviewer: Okay. What about uh this part right here that bobs up and down? 505: {D: Oh that's your goozle there.} Interviewer: Goozle? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 You ever heard that # called anything else? 505: I think that there used to be. {X} {D: They pick up I just said goozle.} {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: What's that? 505: {X} some maybe call it. Interviewer: {X} 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {D: Know where your goozle is right here.} # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # I know all I know is goozle. Interviewer: You ever heard people call it Adam's apple? 505: No. Interviewer: Haven't heard that? 505: No. {NW} Interviewer: Adam's apple. don't ask me why. #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # {X} You just beat me cause I #1 {D: sure wasn't anything like.} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: Adam's apple. Interviewer: Adam's apple. {C: rooster crowing} {NS} 505: {D: But I'm gonna try to think of any words ain't nothing what this is.} {NW} Interviewer: One fella told me he called it his go fetch it. 505: Go fetch it? Interviewer: Well that's when you swallow it goes. 505: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 You know? # 505: #1 {D: Spit you down} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 into. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # I guess so. {NW} Well what about if I let my hair on my face grow out I'd grow a? 505: A beard. Interviewer: Okay. And what about uh this fleshy part around your teeth that's your? 505: The gums. Interviewer: Okay and this is my? 505: {D: Well that'd be your hand.} Interviewer: Mm and I have two? {NS} 505: {X} Interviewer: Okay. And if I make a? 505: Fist. Interviewer: I got two? 505: Fists. Interviewer: Okay. Some people you know complain when they get older that they're getting a little stiff in their? 505: Joints. Interviewer: Okay. And uh let's see that's not right. 505: {D: I cooked.} Interviewer: Okay. and this part of your leg right here #1 you can call it your? # 505: #2 Calf. # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # {D: Calf or you.} {X} Interviewer: Well right in front you know sometimes you hit it on something it really stings? 505: {X} #1 That's so bad. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: Yeah I skinned my {D: I learned froma meadow.} {D: Mean business coming from all my neighbor's house.} {D: And in the school house in the whole.} {X} Um and uh we heard the dogs all barking and up here {D: on that side over here where we're living at.} {D: And here I said I bet that's a meadow meadow.} {D: Something to do.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And uh I thought he was joking I don't have time to go to the to the school house still {D: well I couldn't get here no how it's just a big stump.} {D: Cross the road ride from that meadow and jump on that stump there.} Ladies and gentlemen were {D: I I kept on going on that stump I said} full speed and this you know when {D: plopped off the happening boat.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: I had a bare neck for a long time. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And uh and I got to the house and {D: my shoes just went over there.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: And I'm laying there though see he didn't get out of his way because he didn't already he's seen me but I saw him you know {D: coming around in church because} {D: and the church they become part of the church that altered ours.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: And he said well no here's an old meadow where he went around a tree.} And now let's turn around {X} one old stump. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: If he ate coming there} {D: he could've gotten it.} {X} This this is {D: your full full since I lied} {D: came alone in this} {D: you know why he just come on down the road in his} #1 that truck. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: Then we went the house and {D: get out the doors} and locked him up in the {D: smoke yard.} And uh got um Mama said well {X} {D: round the yard bend and my sons dig in.} {D: And we got a door lock him up.} Mama said Bill said I hear that dog at that gate. {D: He jumped up and got a shotgun while she's} {D: going around my} {X} {D: got his shot and he missed it.} {D: But the hall was so} {D: take him in the king of the house he gonna bust in and} he come right back to that hallway. Right back back uh where. {X} And uh we don't know why really he did it he lived {X} not to hit him. Go right back there and then jumped on those same dogs. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Yep yep. {D: That thing used to be baying and I'd be still trying not to be.} All this time {D: you gotta be getting my way down.} {D: It was all you could do out there.} {D: And now I'm over and I got} {D: I was really scared when there though.} Interviewer: Well yeah you should be. 505: Yeah. {X} They got a they come down if they see that dog after that didn't have money to spend on he did it he. {X} {X} And I couldn't understand just if he were a a small dog {D: he was a man who outrun a bulldog.} He just booked it. #1 And I never # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: did understand it but {D: my daddy said if it was sick they would carry it.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: {D: He said that he couldn't stand that scent he carried.} Now I don't know what it was but I'm here to tell you and an old dog he's {D: old and he weighed about sixty fifty sixty pounds.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and he was a {X} {D: color.} {D: That's the thing that the old man had uh seen that night.} {X} {D: And he would be a.} {D: Well I said make him baby train} {X} {D: and then check that thing and I'll make you look back.} Every hundred was a horse {D: of her hands you know} {D: horse and dog couldn't get out.} But our yard was fenced in and to the barn running the dog {D: or a horse with a pitchfork.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: He said look out look out {X} {D: me and Bill hold it within that gate.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And time he got that {X} {D: and they hit him} he tried coming to get me. {X} {NW} {D: And close the thing it back in I plan and don't tell Mama it's getting out.} Mama's boy. They hear she was hollering {X} but he kept on down close to Richard creek. {D: And we rode down to the house} {D: behind the thicket.} And the {X} {D: he coming on back.} And we all ran right across in front of that church. {D: While we stayed now that called any other church.} {NS} And they shot him shot him down over there but he {D: but he was still tall you know} {D: get along happy and you and he's smooth} and he uh {NW} he went through the {NW} {D: that night he'll come in the yard that night and Mama said} {D: J-B you'd better obey with your Papa.} Name's James {D: she called him J- J-B} see now now and he's out there tearing that dog oh. {NS} And Mama said I really have to {X} {D: I gotta go say I didn't think that the new house would look like} {X} I didn't think there was no meadow. {D: And uh uh she said if a pig was shooting at you in the meadow he was shooting you with a pistol.} {D: And but he would roll up and get his son} {D: so I shot him but he} {X} we don't know why he killed him a {X} {D: neither.} {D: And if he would've put my dogs you wouldn't have even} {D: pop him and} {X} {D: two days after then pop him down long chain.} And put him {D: on we'd put it on.} {X} But he fixed it probably couldn't get to the other dog. And tired of just {X} he done take 'em out and {D: clean up if there's a shit there you know.} {D: I love ya.} {D: He tried and then one day he went mad.} I said Mama Mama she said what {D: she pointed up.} I said come on in {D: this time or so} {D: oh my puppy gonna mate.} He said {D: whatcha do about it?} {D: I said see how he bring it} {X} {D: little guy?} {D: And she turned around and said sure go here} so I said {D: maybe you could break that call} {D: among so you couldn't} {D: move here till I get} do you need a house he said. And he just {D: this ball out here I'm fixing to just} {D: kick him and he get up and his eyes be just dazed.} He said {X} trying #1 I was I was small I was trying and all. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: But my {X} {D: I was just his kiddie.} My Pa would've said he can't get you {X} and they got hicks to throw away. {C: dog barking} And knock the panel off the fence. The painted. {D: And slowing down on top of that.} {X} They chain {D: and he drug him on onto that wagon.} {D: To that field and then they wrapped around} {X} {D: but you see you couldn't get in the way.} {D: And they came up in the woods and was shot.} {D: But don't you} {X} bad dog one day at the house and didn't know it. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: When it steps and he's up on that} {X} {D: and I thought} {X} dog. {D: Just like you know you got uh a box for your sticks.} You couldn't see me is up under there you know and they grow up on that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And better time {D: on the dog} come out of a contest with me {D: and he come up on them jump on that dog man you talking about} {D: checking them dogs and getting in their house.} I guess so. I guess so. 505: I I I I didn't have time {D: and he would he would roll the portrait in the window.} He had he had it forced {D: and he had it worked until he got off the force} {C: background noise} {D: ain't never been something about like that.} {D: And and and the and the out of the way and barely did come in with me.} {D: And maybe he get out there and bring the ch-chase in front of the dog.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {D: Now unless they want to abandon.} {D: And he could come back to the home where I had my bush.} {D: Shed no he come back to the whole and} Start there in that row {D: I brought him one.} I turn that dark dog loose on that door {D: I didn't know I'd be there.} {NW} I told him so I got him yeah I got him. This and the I said and and yes please {D: something I said I say you don't know how to turn} and I say you always {X} {D: it's a hole again.} Say hold it against your shoulder here I say. {D: We're just gonna keep it and keep it whining here and I said I'll bring it soon.} And he he got in that {X} {D: so they shot him.} {NW} Mm-hmm. 505: {D: You just turn them on.} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: {D: He said you think you're done sometimes and} as scared as I was I don't know how I did. {D: And I don't know.} He scared him. {D: So he taken out the dog's out and killed 'em cause he he done} {D: jumped on.} {X} Interviewer: I don't think I've ever seen anyone. 505: #1 {X} {C: laughter} # Interviewer: #2 {X} {C: laughter} # 505: You ask me about a beer hit a horse. And he was uh a brave man. {X} And this man though come from {D: I don't know why they don't come over you had to turn in the rain to come to my house} there on the main on the main road. This is my puppy here and {D: I did that trick catching it please don't go off the road.} And uh {D: let's do it I had just handed out that and now we'll see.} And here in all the woods {D: hatched and I didn't even have a screen over it.} {D: In it go like a field I didn't get that much sleep.} She's so honest said here come a dog. I said what. {D: No it didn't I don't run that long fence.} She said here come the dogs shut the door. {D: And she did that shut the doors on that} {X} {D: she said why are your dogs out I said I don't know they're so big.} {D: And I hollered at Bill look how they're coming up.} And I hollered at him. And I hollered at him. I ain't {X} {D: really really bad.} {D: And he reeled and went back to the road.} And I hollered at Bill look out. Back on the meadow there and then no he took his horse and loose and turned another horse loose and nobody could get out of the way. And he rode that horse to the house and got that shotgun and he rode out and steal that horse {D: until he hit that meadow.} And then that horse Old Bill shoot was shooting down there and then the scene. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: The kind that totally laid I could see him jumping.} And then they're {X} {D: and I said Lord be the dog idea.} They say you're crazy and I say I'll be it again. He said {C: laughing} no Millie I never moved it. {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {X} Interviewer: So a young one? 505: {D: Yep.} That's the uh {D: we could look at his} {X} {NS} Interviewer: Well that's not Bill looks somebody else. {C: stomping in background} {NS} 505: This is black. {C: background noise} Interviewer: Oh yeah. {C: background noise} 505: That that's a black one. {D: That's Bill, hi.} {D: Are you getting rid of the scooter now?} {NS} {NS} He seems to be unenjoyable. Interviewer: Well what about that now have you ever heard those called a shin? You know you hit your shins #1 or something like that? # 505: #2 {NW} # {X} Interviewer: What about that if you have to if you have to get down like this you know you this part right here you'd say you're squatting on your? What would you call that anything? 505: That's a roll just like you bend in half? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: Squatting down on your thigh. Interviewer: Yeah okay. Ever heard people call that the haunches? 505: Yeah. Interviewer: Something like #1 that? # 505: #2 Some of 'em # call them the haunches. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {X} What about a a person who's been sick for a while but he's up and about now? But you might stay say he still looks a little bit? 505: {X} Interviewer: You ever heard of people say he looks a little peaked? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Something # like that? What about uh oh you know a person who has a smile on his face and just never loses his temper you'd say he's mighty?