505: Um Did- we did hear this the other day that they used to be at our grandmother's farm Interviewer: Mm-hmm {NS} 505: And we was born and raised there cross the road uh, on that farm {X} the Mr uh, Mr Roy Boyder owns it now {C: name} but Robinson at the time. My daddy used to rent from that highway back to this highway here. Used to have sharecroppers. Interviewer: Alright. 505: And we uh {X} But then uh thirteen {X} twelve years and my dad became ill. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And my grandmother passed and we moved back here in nineteen thirty. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And my daddy passed in thirty in April. And so I- I married then I {X} And then I lured away my mother and and Bill {NS} lived at the home still living at the home place. So he was married {X} and thirteen. and says I lived up there about thirty some years. And um then my husband passed {X} we had been married about twenty years. First husband. We owned the farm up there {X} {X} near cotton lake. {X}, we owned that farm had a street come across there through the farm because uh {X}. So {X} {D: and be there I lived there}, uh, thirty so- I been there thirty some years before I moved away. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh-huh. And after I moved away I, I married again {X} And then I stayed there until my husband passed and then I bought this house and move here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: So I been I move here in sixty-nine, I been here ever since sixty-nine. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: My husband passed in sixty-eight and I And I {X} in sixty-eight Thirteen in November. And I moved down here on the thirteen of March in nineteen sixty-nine. And this used to be a, oh a a real subdivision around here and peoples just children and {X} when I was a kid. And thats a real good settlement. And that church there now that's a small church now the storm ripped it and tore it down but it's not When it's sunny you can hardly gets to seated because we had a large attendance. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And then this used to be a real- a real- a real thick, uh community. And they had uh I don't know, {D: school a large} and it was just. Now down round that church there used to stand {X}. But then we had the {X} there, they had the school, and it was just a nice Sunday. {X} I came to this school at that time and they have schools {X} like they have now. {X} {X} {NS} And just one school {X} and, and while we're here and that was about there and then the other one was up in {X}, all the schools about five to six miles apart some like four and five miles. And I have known the chairman {X} the school. And {X} time at {X}. The school the {X} {D: named} {X}. {D: Some of them}. So I think children has a good opportunity now. Most certainly did {D: when we's came in} {D: When we's} {X}- when we was growing up, we had to work part time, didn't go to school. But children don't have that to do no more. Interviewer: Yeah that's true. 505: {X}{NS} {X} And then when we {X} we had to stop and chop cotton and pick peas and things like that. Children don't have that to do now. I think that we are blessed- God had blessed us so much until, I think we have a lots to be thankful for. Interviewer: That's true. 505: But a heap of people don't realize God done ble- blessed us {X} and we still crying. So I think we should turn around and and thank God more, because he had done so much for us, and without him I don't think we can do nothing. So I think we should be proud and {X} people's places getting more close together {X} fall apart. Interviewer: {NS} Mm. 505: There's one thing about it when when- when you thank God for what he do for us. Do you know when, my father- I don't know how what year you quite young I know that- your father no doubt and my father {X} or your grandfather. They didn't know nobody giving no checks to nothing no social security nothing, they had to make it the best way they could. And here we are now {X} ain't got the sense enough to say thank you Lord. Ain't nobody get to you but God. He's the one that open the way and make a way for you. We wonder sometimes how we gonna make it, but if you just turn around look to God you ain't got nothing to worry about. {NS} Cuz everything {D: is in his hands} and he can do all things. Interviewer: True. 505: Mm-hmm. So I think we should be thankful. And be more, um, and be more loving towards each other. That's what we need. The world need more love. Interviewer: That sounds {NS}{X} now a days. 505: Yeah, I- I know it. The world need more love. I- I was telling the girl the other day she's telling me about she had lost her husband. I said yes uh, I said you haven't realized nothing yet. I said lived at home be thinking, and about a month now I said you going to feel like you threw it away. Interviewer: Mm. 505: So the day she was telling me she said, {X} {X} I said you got kids and the kids I- I lost all my kids when they young, but I raise up both sets of kids. But they grow and {X} gone. So after all I say yeah you can be alone, but you got- you got a good {X} if you just lean on him She said who and I said God {X} I say every time I get alone I can turn around and he got something to cheer me up. I said you gonna have some {X} {D: feel that}. I said now when you stay close to God won't nothing happen to you. He's here to keep you arm around you. Interviewer: That can be a very reassuring feeling. 505: Yeah. You- you know {X} you used to being around somebody? And you just take a little kid you used to being around that kid you take that kid out of the home. There's a vacant spot there. And um, what you gonna do now the one person that you mentor you know is gonna to be a big vacant spot {D: The years} {X} Don't ever give up. Always look to the hills. All your help come from {X} from the Lord. So while you going around doing this work I hope you have good success in it. And I hope you know- you somehow know you learning me some- some my neighborhood ever before. So may God bless you in your work. Interviewer: Well thank you. 505: Mm-hmm. Are you married? Interviewer: No I'm not. Still single. 505: Well I see you're nothing but a kid. Interviewer: {NW}Well I'm not that young I'm twenty-seven. 505: Yes I know you {X} a kid. I got a boy at thirty-two, uh, last boy-b-boy I raised. I ain't {X} tell you about your age now. I been here quite a while. And I hoping that traveling you'd be careful because sometime you meet nice people and sometime you don't. Interviewer: Ya that's true {NS}. {NS}{X} {NS} most of the people though that I've talked to who helped me with this project have been real nice folks though. Uh, real cooperative and- 505: That God blessing you. You know we should be nice to anybody don't care who come. One day I were here alone, well I live here alone my older boy stays here with me but then he {X} about two months ago. He come here {X}. And he was ready to because he come out of Memphis and come out there and stay with me a portion but he pay his share. Went to Memphis and came back with his clothes, and he passed about uh twenty minutes after he got in my house. Interviewer: {NS} Mm-hmm. 505: And uh he was talking about, why don't you travel. So you get {X} and I said to him I know {X}, how do you go, make up your mind and get up in the airplane and travel? I said you know you know when you won't take your medicine. He said God is up there just like he is down here so he'll take care of you up there as good as will down here, so all you gotta do is trust him. To me you ain't got enough faith girl {NW} {NW} I said {D: I saw them} {X} He said- I said to him I just, now just through a joke I said, {X} He said I ain't worried about it. And then, and I'm gonna tell you too but I never seen a person that die, as quick as you did and easy you did in my life not seen nothing quite compares Interviewer: Hmm. 505: But I was fixing to say I {X}, he had his fix because he {D: shouldn't do a thing} but just {X} Interviewer: And what was the matter with him exactly, do you know? 505: Yes, he had heart trouble. Interviewer: Oh I see. 505: Doctor uh {NS} {D: them overwork}. a qu- a quite a while, he kept, he had some nice, he got some nice kids. All his kids, he worked hard, him and his wife separated and get his kids, education {X}. They didn't go to no work and, two of them work and one, one in uh, in a, {X}, {X} one works in Memphis, Tennessee. And all the {X} do good in the work, and one the boys work at the post office, they got good education but, he was just he hadn't work hard and I said just {X}, work yourself down I try to bring the kids up. But all them have their education and they was really nice to their dad. I think he died the {X}. He be dead two months, {D: tomorrow}. And so he was just uh is just {X} Memphis. He was only {X} his mother said he grew up here about a mile from here. I went to his {X}. He just went and, {D: taking secretly our} {X} and walked on our side and fell dead. Interviewer: Mm. 505: So it's something we all gotta get used to. {X} {D: better get rid of it} cuz uh it's something you never get used to. You belong to church? Interviewer: Yes ma'am. Methodist. 505: Methodist? Nice Memphis {X}. That's my little church there now. Interviewer: What denomination is it? 505: Baptist. Interviewer: You said Baptist? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What's the name of that church? 505: Willow grove Covenant. Interviewer: Willow grove? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You've got uh, you've got a member- 505: All my life. Interviewer: All your life? 505: Mm I joined it when I was twelve years old, and I, if I, if I live a see twenty-ninth of August I'll be sixty-six. Interviewer: You're sixty-six years old? 505: I'll be sixty six {X} {D: I'm sixty-five now.} Interviewer: Sixty-five now. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Where, where do you say uh, what is your address? Is this part of Covington? {B} {B} {B}. 505: uh {B} {B}. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Mm. Well it's real pleasant out here. 505: Yes it's real pleasant. But you know this is about the coolest day we had in quite a while? Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Yes it is. And uh, we got the biggest rain now, {NS} Monday night we has here in quite a while. I don't know we got {X}. First day of the week got that big rain we hadn't had rain so it was dry, cross that little {X}. Interviewer: It sure is dry. 505: Yeah, it's dry. Now we got a, we got a rain, it stormed here Monday night. Interviewer: I think I think I was in Tupelo {NS} when they had a, had a real bad storm, lot of lighting you know 505: Yeah. Interviewer: and wind blowing hard. 505: Yeah And I heard about some parts that never {X} trees blowing down {X}. Interviewer: Right. 505: And uh I saw it on the T-V. That's why I saw it here. But I tell you what, my house raised up and {X} I thought once mine was gone. And we had a lots of {X} but it really did rain. Now last week they had {X} where I used to live, the lady told me it had rained down there, and had hail bigger than your thumb. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And she caught barrels of water. {X} {X} she catch water you know, to wash with and all like that she said, I said you got what? She said I'm gonna I said I {X} down here. She said uh-uh, I said {X} there's water standing in the middle down here {X} get ready. I said that's one thing I had to learn not to worry about things like that, things you {X}. You don't have no {X} do you? You just have to have faith and trust in God. She said, {D: dear Lord it's raining down now}. That's my neighbor when I live down there. Interviewer: Well what, what did uh {NS}, what did your husband do for a living? 505: Farm. Interviewer: He was a farmer? 505: I farmed all my life. {D: I work, public work}, uh uh, seventy-three and seventy-four the only time I ever did public work in my life. I farmed all my life. {NS} live here {X}. {X} {D: I'd applied there} was working at uh, Walmart's at that time, and my cousin did my applying. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I had five acres of cotton, three acres of corn and I had cows and {X}, {NS}. The beef they had uh all us, w-we, uh, three just sharing the place and working, know paying taxes. {NS} That's the way we do it. Interviewer: Alright. 505: Uh-huh. {X} he has {X} {D: for him but my brother had to plant because he} {X}. {D: He can't take that sun} {X} he just, {NS} {X} {NS} For months at the time {D: they ain't ever reached this} {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And then some time in there I seen uh I seen a {X}, and {X} if he was the- I don't know he was used to {X} the other day he started peeling Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And then he'd break out and then he'd, he used to break out in those clothes on his head {X}, since it's {D: clear out the sun it don't do him quite as bad}. He gonna {D: look} {X} he get up in the morning, {X} And that's the way he is. That's part of his {D: truck, thats truck} {X} {D: he could drive} {X} home, {X} but he had to get it before the sun get hot {X} {X} {NW} Uh-huh {X} his cap, nice shaded face, and then sometimes nothing. When they don't do {X}, {D: corn field when that corn is uh} beginning to grow up you know getting on in here Mm-mm just like sometimes he go to garden it was raining, get vegetables, sometimes he can pick them sometimes he can't. Interviewer: I see. 505: There some that he allergic to. The doctor said that he had, he had hadn't been able to find {X} something he allergic to. But I don't believe it I just believe he got some kind of {X} when he {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: That's what I believe about it. Course he, first when he came home {X}, {X} the doctor {X}. {D: that had been} {X}. {X}, he inherited {X}. He can go ahead, go {X} {D: come through right here} {X}, some {X} last night. {X} see his eyes, just, swell up and {D: welped up}. And then little blisters come on his hand and water running out of them, so we took him in the hospital And then he stayed over there for long time, then he come back home {D: on May and told him} something to use I don't know what it was, but he used it, and it done him more good than it did in the hospital. So I just don't know {D: cause it funny that way} {X}. He work he don't {X}, I told him I say you got {X} {NS} I say you just get old {X}. {NW} He {X}. He said don't you {D: say that much as you} {X} I can't even {X} as much as you can. Now I got this {X}. {D: Let's be honest} it would've been good if we had {X}. And I picked snap beans {X} so there's more than I, I got a dish pan just about full of snap beans {X}. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: {X} dishpan English peas sure So I think this rain gonna get plants that looks a lot better, I know they been looking better. Interviewer: It hadn't rained for about six weeks when I went home ground was just dried up everywhere. 505: I know it. Interviewer: It's bad on farmers. 505: Yes, yes Lord. But you know? We have heard tell of places being just {X}, and I, and I'm sixty five I never know {X} now I know there been bad years here, {X} {D: banks} is in thirty-two. People didn't make enough, {X} {X} {D: taking care now don't argue with me about it}. We make much of nothing. But uh, {D: I haven't heard a ton of people} {X} that the crops are just {X} you know like that. I told them we got a lots to thank God for. We ain't never had just a {X} {D: dropped down on our head} {X}. {X}, and in time we get cows and thing but you can {X} {D: kill your horses have your meat} {D: your milk and butter} that's better than we doing now. Course since I got like I have I sold my {X} {D: I sold my} {X} and, and {X}. That {X} and {X} but I don't have it. After I had my eyes worked {X}, cause the doctor {X} got rid of. But I got in that big old hole {X} baby peas. We raised the, I raise the {X}. I don't, I don't work no crop I got, {X} patches of these peas, all kinds of snap beans and, Irish potatoes, sweet potatoes {X}. Try to raise some of the {X}. {D: Good things}. {D: They is just so high}. {X} and greens, and I got greens in the garden. Everything in that garden that {X} I got them {D: tomatoes}. Interviewer: Alright. 505: Yeah {X}. Interviewer: So you got tomatoes? 505: Yeah. I got young tomatoes so if somebody, {X}. Interviewer: {NS} Do you ever raise those little kind of tomatoes? 505: Little plum tomatoes? Interviewer: Plum tomatoes? 505: No I haven't raised any of them {X} come up in my lawn every year. And I haven't raised any since then, you like those though plum tomatoes? Interviewer: they're, I like them. They're good, in salads you know? 505: Yeah Interviewer: Something like that. 505: Yeah No I haven't raised them since the {X}. Interviewer: You mentioned sweet potatoes- 505: Yes. Interviewer: Is that the same thing as yams? 505: Uh, {D: are regular yams} sweet potatoes? Interviewer: {D: Ya}. 505: Yeah They're just different kind, different names you know. Interviewer: {D: Mm-hmm}. 505: Yeah I got Irish potatoes and sweet potatoes too. I don't, I don't plant {D: them three or four year in row}. Now last year, that {X}, I had a pasture bigger than this here room, wider than this room. {NS} And and the and the and winter last winter so bad and you don't have a {NS} a {X} house that I {X} you don't, you lose some of them. {NW} So I, I could definitely {D: some in}, in my pressure cooker and peel them {X} and you getting ready to make your pies, you got nothing to do but go ahead and get them {X} make your pie {X} you wanna fix some young yams you got nothing to it. {D: Grow them up} and fix them like you want to. Interviewer: Alright. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well that's good. 505: It is. I cooked a tater pie, for the little young minister. That I- he just started preaching this year he really good I have to say. I do believe from with all my heart that I, {D: God} {X} to do with him cuz he got too much power. He, he was still a preacher, think he been preaching, ten or twelve years. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: That's real. And he just been a now I, I had raised him up too. He just been a peculiar kid all his life. {X} that little kid would be out jumping and playing around I mean he play a little but, {X} {NS}. But he's never won. I have tell you I'm not saying it because, he used to stay with me {X}, but he just, he's about as good as an old preacher {X}. {NS} He's in school now. He uh, came out a, nice {D: boy}. One day last week {X}, {D: we call him} but uh he's gone to, {NS} {D: Florida} Yes. He has a job there now he work there last year so, he- I think he's doing number one, and I think he's doing a wonderful job. {NS} And he's a nice young man, {D: just has twins}, and I think he doing a wonderful job. Interviewer: I'm sure he does, and you say he preaches, at this church down here? 505: Uh uh yeah, he uh, um {NS}{X} he um, you know. That was his home church all his life. Interviewer: Oh I see. 505: And he, he have a {D: rotates any other one} {NS} preach. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} {NS}. Interviewer: Well that's interesting to find somebody who really has a gift for it like that. 505: Yeah {NS}. I have to say, he been a, he been a number one kid ever since he- he was quite small. Well he has uh double the family. His grandmother {X} and, and she {X}, his grandmother raise his, raised his mother because uh, her daughter pass when they were young and she raised them up. So the brought up in the church all their life but {NS}, they don't care for the church very much. Interviewer: Oh is that right? 505: {X}. {X} you can't get them to church. {NS}. Interviewer: I wonder why that is. 505: Well, there's something in the world of things for me to take sight of I guess I just don't get what. You know it's, it's like you got kids you can send kids to school but you, you can't make them learn can you? Interviewer: Well that's true. 505: No you can't all you can do, do your part. So that the way it is with the church you can, teach 'em and tell 'em but, you can't make 'em take a {X} {D: to get grown}. {NS} {X}, {X} to do a few things right, or they gonna tell you what to do. And that way I feel it is about church. {D: If you} bring a child up in the church and he get grown, he get out there you know the rule, {NS} {D: the role leads to} helping us now. You know some people like a wide rule, that's most the way they do it now. So that way {D: they a good peoples}. As they grew up as they get- I done get with the {X} things they like them things And they just keep going too far I say, before they decide to turn around. So that's the way I see it. What you think about it? Interviewer: That sounds, like it makes perfectly good sense to me. 505: Mm. Yeah the people young and lots of people around here talking about their children smoking dope. I got {D: trouble} but I can't make 'em mine. That's sad do you know? Interviewer: Sure is. 505: Yeah that's sad. I know a friend of mine's got a girl who just fourteen. She go to school, and her mother have to go to work cuz her and her husband separated. There's {X} that she'll come home, when she come home, her momma tell her not to leave {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And that's them in there and then you know she is and then, just done got on the wrong road. And that's the {X}. Has you ever thought about your little Bible is {X} too? The past {D: begins true and true} {X}? Interviewer: Mm. 505: Has you ever read any the Bible? Interviewer: Oh yes. 505: Well the Bible- you know the Bible ain't no lie. They said God dead but I know he ain't {X} and maybe he's standing here now. {NW} Ain't nobody gonna never make me believe that. Do you believe it? Interviewer: What's that? 505: Do you believe God dead? Interviewer: Are you talking about the Bible? 505: Yeah, I'm asking you if he's dead {X} Interviewer: Oh! You said God is dead. 505: Yeah, I said {X}- Interviewer: Oh. 505: I said if he were dead me and you wouldn't be sitting here now. Interviewer: That's true. 505: I ain't never believe that. Someone was going around said uh, do you believe God dead? I said no! I says who let uh, uh who letting you breathe? I say well who woke you up this morning? Who brought you to sleep? I said uh-uh. I said who uh letting the sun shine and the stars and moon? I said who let the {D: cool breeze breathe on you}? I say you sit up here talk about God dead? I just tell you what I said I {X} telling right. I said whoever print, whoever put that out on there, I say I believe with all my heart he's alive. And I do. But don't you? Interviewer: Sure do. 505: Yes I do. Ain't nobody gonna make me believe God dead. Who woke me up this morning? Who give me air? Who give me knowledge and wisdom to do things I do? The life for trying to make a living. And you talk about God do you? No. Ain't no way. You wouldn't be able to drive your car up and down the road and go from one territory to another. And God dead {D: who- then who can}? You ain't got nothing to carry yourself on. You don't have no power, {D: the more} {X} give it. If he take away from you right now you can't even move. {NS}. Do you believe that? Interviewer: Sure do. 505: Yeah I do too. Interviewer: Well tell me about, tell me about your- your parents. Where- are they from- were they raised here in uh, {NW} county too? 505: Yes. Definitely- now I can't tell you definitely {X} and tell him about how, how my grand- now they used to live up when I told you we live up in thirteen? My grand dad, my um, my grandmother's brother, he had a home place up there, that she used to {X} clean to the highway. My grandmother did. And a {X} he lived up in that, {D: number one}, number thirteen district though this was number one at the time. And uh, Interviewer: Not that far away from Covington by the way. 505: It about six miles from Cov- Interviewer: Six miles, and what direction is that? 505: Uh if you go back to, h- how you come in, the {X} way? Interviewer: Right. 505: Come from the, uh, {X}? Interviewer: Right. 505: It just about six miles either way you take it. Interviewer: Is that- was that east or west of Covington or what? 505: Be east of Covington. Interviewer: East. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: So you were all- So, did you t- I can't remember if I asked you or not but, were you were born right out here in this area then? 505: Mm-hmm. And my grandmother, and my grandmother. Interviewer: Was that on your mother's side or your father's. 505: My father's side. She was um, she knew about {D: little as a slave}. And she used to sit down and tell me about- she used to tell us that {D: we won't}, her husband was born, {D: she know you like just like you sell holes and thing now people you sell holes and things} folks back then. Like you see old {X} he used to sell them and that's where he used {X} to tell me. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: My grandmother told me I tell you how I got mine. And she said um, just like {X}, her mother {X}. And she's young but they didn't get that {X} to come back she gotta hook it. And they had to work and push, and tow logs just like men. And {D: bun burst} sometime that had, {D: get beaten and get beat} {X}. You wanted to {X}. Ya th-th-they told her that she told me that she said uh, her her great aunt told her that she uh, {X} a snake, {D: that it called was a} {X}. And she stay so long {D: that its cold} {X} when it got {X}, that snake was here done wrapped around her so tight. But she got over it somehow {X} {D: call a- call a snake a} {X}. You done heard talk of those- Interviewer: I've heard of those. 505: {X}. they told me that's what it was in, in the zoo. And uh, the {X}, {D: said you had to go through} {X} {D: things right there.} That they tell you, you won't get no supper you ain't getting none And you had to take whatever they give. You know I looked at, routes {X} {D: why I had a many different mind}. Did you know we got {D: I'm gonna still tell you} do you know we got lots to be thankful for? Your race was in it just like mine. All the poor peoples had to suffer and do just what they get, but do you know? Do you know, I was thinking one day when a man he was preaching he said uh, who was done in the dark, will come to the light. That's true ain't it? That's what the Bible said. Interviewer: {D: How} we have to account for everything? 505: Yeah. And that's good. Do you know, if I do you what to you do you know I'm gonna have to pay for it if you do you what to me you gotta pay for it? And that's a good thing you know? Everybody gotta stand all by themselves. But I mean {X} still don't know about. Don't you think that's a good thing? I know it, I want {X} what you do and you want {X} what I do. Because the {X} knows just how much we can bear And he ain't gonna put no more than you can bear. So I think that's one. My grandmother said uh, my mother, mother, she was part Indian. And I never did know nothing about my mother's people. {X} one, one sister, {X} was dead when I was a bit larger enough to realize, you know, {D: one from the other}. But on my dad's side, it was a- it's a big- it was a big family. But they all about died out now but, {X} we don't even have an uncle on the dad's side {X} {D: living now}. They all done died. They used to be in California, {D: then my uncle Ben's} kid, they are- they is born and raised in California. They's in California, some is in uh, Oakland Oakland California {D: some in Santa Monica California}. Uh, some of 'em are in Chicago some in now I got {X} lot of peoples in St. Louis. on my daddy's side. It was the large family, on my daddy {X} but I don't know too much of. We was {D: witless}. And I don't know too much about my mother's side because uh they was old. Most passed off before I was large enough to know. But anyway we all was raised right here in Tipton County Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And my granddaddy-I'm gonna tell you this then I'll be through- Interviewer: {NW}{X}. 505: My granddaddy, {X}. Interviewer: Now is this your daddy's daddy or- 505: My daddy's daddy. And a man came through here and told me he was in trouble. {NW} {NW} {X} you know a cigar box that used to be larger than they are now. So he had that box sealed up and {X} money, and he's trying to get away from some {X} {X}. {X} take nobody like {X}- {D: and here um}, he uh, {D: at the time} my granddaddy some kind of way to put this money in his will, I never woulda did that. {X} {X}, without looking at it. And he live here {X} try to get back to {X} {D: on his shotgun}. And then the man {X} some kind of, {X}, when he got it out the way I thought well nothing. And he died away from home trying to find a new {X} shotgun. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Mm-hmm. Yeah so that um, I said, this things is so much different because now people didn't realize {D: thing they had to do now} but it's so much going in. You had to look out and think for yourself. Interviewer: That's true 505: So yeah my daddy, my daddy's side the people at {X}, was a large family. Interviewer: Now, do you think your, your daddy's daddy was a- was he a farmer too? 505: Mm-hmm. Yes he {X}. So grandmother told me. Interviewer: And they're all from this area. 505: Mm-hmm. Uh, um uh, {D: they was uh}, I don't know where the grandmother married him and I just remember {D: a son that can tell you that but I can't}. But {X} {D: she raised up} {X}, Tipton County. She had a large- she had a large {X}. Interviewer: Did they have a- do you think they had a chance to go to school any? 505: No grandmother couldn't read. I don't know how about grandaddy. Grandmother couldn't read. But uh, you- she couldn't- you couldn't be the {X} but she- she- she couldn't read. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm. I don't know how- how about my granddaddy but I know my grandmas couldn't read. Interviewer: And you say, you just don't know about- 505: My daddy couldn't read too much. Interviewer: Mm. 505: He could sign his name or something like that, he couldn't read too much. Because {X} he was- he was the oldest one when they was bringing him up, the {X}, a big family you know just like they, {D: so just} {X} he didn't have time to go to school. Interviewer: You don't think he got too far in school? 505: No he had barely- barely could sign his name and, now he could {X} but he weren't too much on, reading like that. Interviewer: I see. Was there- Was there a little school house or something around here that, they might have gone to, part of the year? 505: Yes, somewhere around here they call it um, well they call it {D: garden} {X}. Somewhere down, down uh, {D: down the side of someone's house} {D: they know somebody on the other side that close the garden} {X} school. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Yeah thats what I heard 'em {X} school {X}, I just hear them talk of it. Interviewer: Right. 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You think he might have gotten to third, fourth grade or something like- 505: I really- I really don't know, I don't think he got that high. It may be somewhere about the first or second grade- you know first and second grade they had been {X} now. Interviewer: What is that? 505: When you's {X}, {D: I is} {X}, the first and third had been the fifth and sixth now. Interviewer: Right, I see what you mean. 505: {NW} {X} {D: There's this kid now} in the sixth grade or something, cause {X} {D: I been out of school for forty something year} and asked me how to spell, {D: blueberry}. {NW} I {D: I said you need to be back in your primer} Interviewer: Mm. 505: Yeah some of you kids can't spell nothing man you'd be surprised {X} with some of these kids. {D: I got} out of school forty about forty-six year. {D: And some of them here} {X}. But I used to work, {X} had my eyes worked on but I don't no more. But I- I- I {X}- I- {X} a problem I can tell you write it, while you learning {X}. {D: Now you calling on them boys I said}, you go back to the {D: primer} cuz you don't know nothing. {NW} Interviewer: Wonder what- I wonder what, could be done about that to make it any better. I know exactly what you're talking about I visited, I just happened to uh, uh, sit in on a- it was just a P-E class you know, physical education class at the high school that I graduated from about, nine years ago, and I just couldn't believe it. It had changed so much, even from the time that, I was going to school. There was just no discipline anymore, and the- the teacher couldn't handle the students they did what they wanted to. 505: And that's um, Interviewer: It is, it's just you know, gone straight downhill. 505: What school did you uh, graduate from? Interviewer: I went to high school at {X} high school in Troy. 505: In Troy. And what part of Mississippi did you say you from? Interviewer: I'm from Alabama. 505: I meant Alabama. Interviewer: South Alabama. 505: {X}. Do you uh, do you- do you know about Vicksburg, Mississippi? Interviewer: Uh yes I do. 505: Do. I {X}. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh-huh. Yeah Vicksburg, Mississippi. Interviewer: I ju- I came to Covington from Tupelo, Mississippi as a matter of fact. 505: How far is Tupelo from um, Vicksburg? Interviewer: Oh let's see I guess it's about, what, a hundred and fifty miles something like that. 505: I don't know. I'm- I'm um- I'm trying to make up my mind to go {D: back to} Vicksburg. That's what I was trying to do next month, I {D: be there} {X} never mentioned, but I thought you maybe- Interviewer: You gonna go there for a visit? 505: Yeah she been a- she been- well I have to tell you when my husband was sick there was {X}. She {D: moved} over for me. And {X} she is. And she move from Chicago to Vicksburg and bought a home- buying a home there. Interviewer: Right. 505: And she want me be as there now I'm trying to make up my mind to go. Interviewer: Oh that might- you might be good {D: to go} out there, for a visit. 505: And uh she been to see me here when my husband was sick she uh, {X} my mailbox I could get {X} just like she's my daughter, she {X}. So she got her {X} since she got down there. And she wrote to us and say mama- she call me mama- say mama I don't {X}. I say girl {X}. I said don't worry about it. I said darling you are too young I sat down wrote her a letter and put on that {X} {D: chicken and} {D: he said} {X}. {NW} {X} {D: and says when she get here}, when she come home, she said mama I never {D: gonna be leaving}, {X} when we come home {X} boxes of {X} back home. Said {X} {D: all the one}. {X} {D: Lord help me, Lord is proved} {X}, Said I need to be {X} I'm sending you a {X}. She said {X} what, {X} I send you. I said well {D: we ever knew each other?} I said I got what I need to eat out here. My husband {D: didn't} {X}. I said well you can't {X} I said you had to pack So when she come home sometime the maid asked her one day, hey, what in this box} {X}? You ain't give a {X}. {NW} {X} she put it on her {X}. But yeah I tell she been a real nice- she been a real nice sweet girl to me. And there ain't nothing I is- I got in my pile I can do for her that I won't do. It's {X} think that's the way people should be. Interviewer: {X} Gotta help each other. 505: Yeah. So now, all these peoples over here work, the ladies at home today. Now they {X}. Now her husband was raised around here like I was but I'm older than he is. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh-huh, now that's still her home place over there, and they been staying here ever since I been {D: beating on them with a} {X}. But his mother dead, and he's one of the youngest one. {D: And then uh}, the {X} he died he {X}, in the {X} house {NS}. So his brother stay there now but she ain't there now {X} thought she come home today, she stayed back forth with her kids. I almost tell {X} come home about you. I wish he had been here {D: bet you got time in that tape}. {NW} Interviewer: {D: Wait} would your father farm? 505: {X} Yeah. He raised them, he had sharecroppers cause {X} is all up and down {X} over to the next road back here. {X}, three or four sharecroppers. And I weren't big enough to do nothing then. {D: but run around eat up everything I could get} {NS} {NS} And when he move down there and yeah I think I was five years old when he moved to thirteen. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And uh he stayed up there until, on {X} farm until he came and, till he got a, they said what's what's the year that papa got sick I believe it was {D: seventy-nine} I believe it's in twenty-seven. {D: he got down sick} And he never did. Got so he couldn't work what I mean. He'd go bob a little bit and bring in something like that but he uh, he didn't do no work. And he stayed sick until we moved down here in- in thirty. Yeah. Grandmother passed in twenty-nine he passed in thirty. And uh, there weren't nobody on the home {X} at the home place and so, he give up the place {X} renting and- and move back home, after she passed. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Yeah my daddy {D: fall in love with his life} and, don't fool yourself we had to work. Now I won't tell you what I ain't never eat no better and I think I {X}. When my daddy fed us, he worked us while we- we- we {X} kids you ever seen and {X} but we had to work. And you know I'm glad of that. I'm glad they brought me up like that. To do that thing come to {X}. Because if you can get a {X} education you don't know how to do nothing you in a bad fix {X}. Interviewer: Yeah that's true. {D: Well} there's plenty of people who have just, uh, you know, all the education in the world, who {D: gotta} start, ya just out in the streets not doing much of anything. 505: That's what I know. Cuz he don't know nothing to do. And I think that's bad {D: to go to school cuz} {D: they left in school} Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Today {D: even}? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: June the first? 505: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, it's um- {D: trying} like I's tell the boys that stayed here with me this kids that brought 'em up at school. And {X} the mother separated to got good education. And they came out here {X} and come out here, {NW} {X} {D: green}. I said what? {NW} How you pick greens? I said with your hand. {NW} {X} and I said boy, you know that greens are about like that just tall you know I said no no, I said, pick that leaf over there I said oh, don't pick- don't pick the greens there {X} I said that won't be so good {X}. I said {X}. {D: Will}! And I {X} picked about a bushel. And I come back he say you wanna go pick some more I say I ain't thinking about it. I said now I'm not your {X} {D: if you gain nothing that} time I'm sorry. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {X} right there when he come back that boy ain't move {X} um, {X} boy? {X} you be dead. {NW} {X} {D: I told you I didn't know how to do nothing}, and I said well because you been doing the summer school. I said you work hard and get money to go to {X} come back and go to school? {X} And then uh, that just hit the boy {X}, and the boys know how to work pretty good, but them girls don't know nothing. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Ask me how do you put up peaches Interviewer: How you do what? 505: How you can peaches. Interviewer: Oh. 505: I told him, I said you peel 'em and I said you going- got good ripe ones and I said you gonna put them in a container and, put sugar on them, put um- put some other layer then put in sugar then put it on top I said put in {X}, {D: even better than a}, {X}. {D: Do}! I said ya. {X} freezer. He said well how do you put the peas in there? I said {X} you get- you- you going p- you going put your peas and wash them good. Put them in a container and put them on the stove I said if you want to pre- precook them. I said then take them out and let them cool, and put them in your container {D: and I said but I don't know}, {D: a container} I said girl you know what? {D: She said what}? I said been having to {X} since {D: make up your mind}. I said when you put up {X} {D: that boy}, that's gonna take some of your {X} {D: right there}. I said you'd best {X} then put them in your container put it in freezer. And when you put in there I saw your {D: body} still back in that {X}. I told my homemaker that. She looked at me and miss {B}, why is it that you- I was a {X}- why is that you don't, pre-cook your food? I said Ms {B}, She says yeah I said may I ask you a question? She says yeah. I said when you put your peas in that water, and let them come to a boil, and take them out and put them in your container, and put them in your freezer, I said you still let 'em get cool. I said don't you know that water that your peas is cooked in I said do you know that's your {D: body}? She turn around like this and looked at me like this she said, yeah That's the way she said to me little lower yeah I said well if you washed that pea, just like you gonna cook it when you get out of {X} {D: your shirt}, and put them in your container, as soon as put them in that freezer I said as though {X} pea. She said uh-huh. I said that's why I don't pre-cook mine, that's the way I {X}. She said you gotta {X}, I said dear you don't know {X} that book is {X} just like the other day. I said you had to learn some things for yourself. And so, I asked I said Ms uh Ms {B} she's at the home demonstration. children was going to school {X} had them meeting different home demonstrating different things at home. That's where I learn how to strip down furniture, home demonstration meeting. She said uh, yes ma'am. I said we be uh- we been demonstrating {X}. Is it natural that you can uh, take a sweet potato, and cook it, take it off and let it cool, and peel it {X} and pack it in a container? I put the {X} freezer and it be just as good. I ain't never get it but I was {X}. She said yes Ms uh- uh Ms {X}. Said you can. I said well I was asking for information cause I was gonna try it {X}. {NW} She said- she said how do you how do you make {X} pie? I says I guess just like most others she said, may I ask you how much sugar you put in {X}, {X} than it is now? I says I adds one cup of sugar, three eggs, I said about, three-fourth cup of butter, I said and vanilla flavor, and another teaspoon- uh- flour. I said and uh a cup of milk {X} pie. She said that won't get me a {D: pan}. {X} I said I been cooking it ever- ever since I was twelve. {NW} She said you cook it a while. I says it just enough. {NW}- {X} {D: custard pans}. So one day they had them {D: string beans}, she said to my {D: mama}, I- says {X} she say yeah {D: So what makes you think} {X} cooking that pie? Says yes {D: I wanna cook a pie} {X} that's quickest thing you ever seen, but she don't like it. She say I hate that accent. He said- she said your accent {X} I said yeah {X}. So she went to the kitchen, she say who cooked this cake? So she do want to bake it. She said my God she gonna cook me a cake {D: came home with me I'm gonna eat that pie whole}. Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: Naw}, she could {X}- I was- I had {D: been out in the field picking some blackberries} I said {NS}. She said {NS} house so clean this morning, fresh air and said I gotta ask you a question first. I said yeah? What would you charge me to cook me a uh- a cake or a {X} pie? I said Ms {X} you been nice to me I said I wouldn't charge you nothing, and I said but, {X} making that {X}. {NS} I said {X}. She said no I wanna see you cook it. I done change {X} when I went- when I went and got some detergent, clean my hands, and mother had a fire in the stove, we had wood stove at the time because we didn't have gas and nothing electric like that. {X} my crust, rolled it out- She said, you make your own crust? I said yeah. She said I wanna sit here and make 'em I said come on. And we {D: added} straight flour I put that, put a little piece of, {D: Crisco over there} {X} like that and, {X} sugar, she said you putting sugar in? I said I'm gonna make it crisp {X} put them in the pan when I made a pie {X}. She said I can't believe my eyes. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: I said what happened? She said I've tried this and every time my crust built up, the pie {X} bottom, I said {X} you had you {X}. {NW} And so {X} she meet me on the street {X}. And I said that. She said you don't mind? You say- and I said no I says my {X} I don't mind. She said, I'm coming out to your house I know you got some {X} I bet you got that freezer food. I said I don't work like I used to {X}. She said I know what I {X}. She said but my daughter come out to your house she told me you had a freezer. She said mama said that thing is {X} {D: from here}. {X}, cause that's my husband's freezer. And then uh, it's old but, I'm gonna keep it long as I can because {X}, my- my- my son and- that two sons I had that's- they don't last too long. I said {X} {D: the pastors} {X} ten years ago keep it ya I'm going to keep it. And so she came on out there she looked at it and she said, if you {X}. {NW} I told her the kids coming home {X}. So it's good to kinda put your- try to raise some for yourself. Look out for yourself. When God give you five cents he give them to you, you would say yeah trying to look out for yourself. They tell me I worked too hard {X} ain't nobody but myself but- I got no kids {D: well who else going to work}? I kept working. I {X}. So I looks after myself. Interviewer: It's good to keep working, I like to keep busy. I- I- I like to be doing something, you know all the time, this summer I just can't stand to Sit around the, motel room or something like that I gotta read or- 505: Bless your heart. Interviewer: -doing something like that. 505: You don't hear many men say that your age child, keep that in your mind yeah. You know what? When you get up in age if you sit down there, some {X} {D: people need checks}, they sit right down there, I ain't gonna do nothing when I get my social security. That's the worst thing in the world you've had in your mind. Work until the day's done. Until you ain't able to work, you done then. You feel so much better. Do you know what my son tell me when I raise him when he thirty-three years old? Said mama you can get that {X}. I said I work, I said you get down here and get- bring your whiskey I said that {X} that's not gonna kill you. Interviewer: Mm. 505: That's a bad habit. {X} bad habit {X}. {X} try to break it. Interviewer: I never had any of that stuff. 505: Well uh I hope you don't get none. And that dope you got I hope you never look back at it. Interviewer: No no I'm not gonna fool with that. 505: Boy do you know what I got to tell you? Excuse me for calling you boy. I looked at a man, on the street one day, I know him. Uh, {X} {D: meeting like that}, and he done got grown and, gone to Chicago and come back. Honest to God I'm not lying I thought he was talking to somebody. And I'm looking for the people he talking to he stand there talking like me and you talking now. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And may I tell you yeah I was scared. Yeah I was scared of him. And they put him in, some kind of home. Interviewer: Mm. 505: But right now they say you {D: can scarce come on him}, and I know a girl, taking them {X} like she's in some {D: news} {X} Nuh-uh I don't {X}- I don't- {X} I said what is this I'm smelling making me feel sick. And that boy said {X} smoking that dope. I said no it ain't {D: said yes it is} Say if you get {X} I bet you got a {X} I said what's that? I said but I smell it, and i- it smell awful to me. I don't see how they can stand it. Interviewer: I'm the same way even about smoking cigarettes uh, I just never saw the appeal there. 505: Well that's good. That's good. Interviewer: I meant to ask you about your mother. Did- I guess she helped out on the farm too? 505: Yeah Yeah you know what I'm- I'm gonna tell you, and tell you {X} the truth of my heart. I uh- I'm just praying to God that I can be the m- woman that I thought my mother was. I had a sweet mother. {X} {D: Our daddy} belongs to that church and he was a deacon in the church, and everybody {X} preaching Sunday, first and third but {X} preaching {X}. Our house {D: a big} {X} and she just stayed in that kitchen and {D: cook}, and set table after table. And I- I- I don't care what you do you know it's some peoples {D: in your life} but, but not everybody love my mama now. I thinks about this so much. And- and I ain't- I ain't never heard my mother and daddy cuss in my life. I hear papa call their horses a bastard or something like that, but just {X}, {X} mother and father {X} I never hear anything. I don't know nothing about no cuss word {X}. Cuss word I heard I got it from somebody else {X} my parents. I told them make sure you keep me pushing the truck do the best I can cause, my mom and dad were strict on us. Then- then my mama hooked me just as quick after I managed {X} she didn't care. And don't give her no back talk baby no no. If she tell you- I come home with my husband {X} spend the nigh one night me and him, my brother in-law was going in town {X} and I want to go. He- he just playing with me he- he, did {X} mama's crazed by it. He- he, he was just- he was a nice guy. He said aw you ain't going nowhere. I said that's what you said. He know I just had got two person {X} I fixing to {X}. He said you're gonna wait until {X}. {X} mama looked at me said what you doing? I said I'm fixing to go to town with him she said no you ain't. Now I was mad she say you say {X}, I said mama he {X} he told me he won't go {X}. I better not act like I was mad ya. No no I'm not playing with you I mean that. I went on back there I said you said I'm gonna go to town so now mama don't want me to go I said now you ain't going. He said I'll stay here with you. I said no you go ahead I won't. He said mama I was just playing with you {X}. I didn't never go in that kitchen making {X} bake that cake, cause she done told me no. And I was mad. And I'm sorry I {X}, {NW} {X}. And she, she- she was- she large. {X} she large and have darker hair, she stay sick a lot, {X}. Until {X} tomboy says so I a bit of tomboy {X} one girl {X}. {X}, what my brother did I can do it. I did everything a working man do {X}. Anything my brother did, I did it. And what they did- what I do in the house, they come right back they hit me back. That's the way we raised up. That they couldn't just like I can't. They can sew just like I can {X} piece {X} together. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh-huh. Yes sir. Interviewer: You don't find many people- 505: {X}. {NW} Until we got a plan. I said whoop him {X}, whoop him {X}. I said don't hurt him {X}. He's got that {X}{NW}. We had to {X} the rest of the class then {X}. {X} he made it through {X} that house that blast I had kicked him {D: to the floor}. {NW}. And she got him and he {D: book} {X}, {X} she threw that helmet like a {D: player}. And he come back {X} when did he slap her? that old lady got that book and tore him up. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Mm-hmm. Ya we- we had a good mom and dad but you had to mind. And that's what you need to do, you know it? Interviewer: Ya that's true. 505: Mm-hmm. I didn't know {X} where they was, that's why the waiting for 'em {D: them habits}. We didn't have everything we wanted all the time {X} nothing but from one year to another. When we came home sometime we have two and three hands. My daddy {X}- I'd be so mad {X}, {NS} {X}. Interviewer: Oh boy. 505: Ya. Interviewer: That's something. 505: Ya. I get tired being- aw you ain't tall enough I said I ain't gonna {X} you {X}. Mama y'all better get {X}{NS}. Didn't care what we eat, and {X} {D: such as these} {X}. And that's when I say I had, ya that's probably my mother and dad. {NS}{X} I hope they rest in their dead but I hope they're resting {X} God. Ya I had a w- {NS}{X} Ya I say uh, he work in Memphis. {NS}{X} I was proud of my mother and daddy, and {X} my grandmother. I had- I had- I had a wonderful family I got {X}. We didn't have nothing. We work hard as anybody. We never did own nothing {X} but we work hard. {D: A lot a lot}. {NS} Said no lie I'd tell you I just- I just pray to God they resting in his care, because they were good to me. And look like to me everybody, everybody {NS}{X}. {X} like to buy daddy's {X}. You know, just like, I wonder about that now sometime, and I thinks about it. Just like that {NS}{X}, and you really have, sufficient some {X}. You come to my daddy house he gonna share with you. And if he {D: remember} he gonna {X}. But {D: here he had a} {X} {D: to buy them}. We started get- where you going with that bucket. Longest thing we had in Miss- {X}{NS} get it. I hate to see anybody travel now {X} {D: work} but he tell us that time after time do you know? That put me in my- that put a- that put something in my mind. To always try to have some of your own. That what he was trying to learn us there. Work and try to have some of your own. And go when you ahead going no just a little bit because I, go to store and get it. And they growed up in me you know I did. And they tell me I give away everything I got, but you know what I would have? God always got some- {NS}{X}. That's why- I guess I got that from my mother and my daddy because he's just like that. Interviewer: Did your mother have a chance to go to school like your daddy? 505: No. but ma- my mama could read good. Mama- mama- my- my ma- mama {X}{NS}, and she could read about, words we couldn't spell {X} go to school. If she could take that Bible and read just like you- ya you, she ain't dumb like my daddy Interviewer: And, you said both your parents were born and raised right here {NS}{X}. 505: Well I about done talked out for ya today {NW} Interviewer: I hope not. You getting tired? {NW} 505: I talk- {NW} {NW} I talk more than I ever talked {D: before}{NW}. Interviewer: {NW}. What about uh, can I ask you what your fir- first husband did for a living? 505: farmed. Interviewer: He farmed? 505: Mm-hmm. He worked some public work too. He knows {X} {D: archive}, {D: river} {X} {D: old} {X}. My husband could build {X}. You know those bridges going to {X} going across that bay. That's the last public work he did he had worked on that bridge. He take it a year on that same year. And he never did was able to the more public work. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: He was born in Tipton county? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about his education? 505: He had a pretty good education. Interviewer: About how far along? 505: He's somewhere about people's sixth grade. Interviewer: Did I ask you what- uh how much you went to school? 505: Who me? I went to uh- I finished the uh- I start- stop in the eighth grade. Interviewer: Stopped in the eighth grade? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {NS}Your first husband, his last name and {X}, 505: {B} that's his last name {B} that's his first name. Interviewer: And what about your second husband? 505: He had a pretty good education he wanted he could read and write and, but he didn't have the s- somehow that {X}, about third or fourth grade {NS} his name was, uh, {B}. Interviewer: And he's from Tipton county too? 505: Ya he's from Tipton county too district number nine. {X} in Tipton county. Interviewer: Did he farm too? 505: Mm-hmm. That's all he ever did. {NW} Interviewer: {X}. I guess, do most the people in Tipton county still farm? 505: Ya, uh, some of them do now lots of them work public work. That boy there that be- that's {X}, {D: Jordan}, {D: Jordan} {X}, {X}. But they got that farm {X} they work daily. {NS}{X} he'd be in a big home he used to live in Chicago. And his brother down below him in that- that- that old- that house, they're from that house there. There they uh {X} their sister there {X}. She had never been married. She's uh, kind of handicapped. And uh, his brother live on the other side of her. His {X} {D: sardines}. His {X} wife {X} {D: are dead}. 505: And I- I- I said uh, who live here? And uh, I said {D: Sydney} who live here? That's my cou- first cousin. He said baby I don't know who move there. {NS} {NS} When Where you {X} Someone to come in your house and introducing you and I I said I said no I wouldn't. I said I ain't ever like the city. He tried to get me after my husband passed come live with him. He got his own home in St. Louis I said but I don't {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: I said I just done and got it {X}{NS} I said naw {D: and then you've feel} {X} I said I don't care for it. {D: Then} he say you would like that {D: view} though. If you hadn't been staying here a while I said but I it done got kind of rough and nasty that's what I said. Friend of mine came up there and called we went down there. Visiting a friend from here. Had to go down to {D: Betty called it} a tin cup ally It a street but that's the name of it. And they ain't womens there's laying out there drunk and staggering down there and cussing. I said my god take me out of here. Interviewer: Mm. 505: I said uh-uh. He said well we- we ain't going because it he said, turn here and go up the street. He said this the Wall street down in {D: St. Louis Missouri} I said {NS}{X} but I said a woman drunk, I said it hurt it hurts me cause I'm a woman myself. He said down there, he said you said that they were so pitiful? I said it's a pitiful time. I said I fear some for them cuz I fear some for the city I don't think I like the city Now if you was raised and young {D: If I was raised in the city} when I young like you? {NS}{X} You got me a good job and got {D: all to the top} but now you gonna tell {X} and, and gotta stay locked up in the house all day They've never they they front door fastened and scared to leave it open. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And then they {X} sitting there I said, who is out that in garden? This garden Go down back of his house like just back of the house like this back of the house. {X}{NS} that road. {X} just {X} I said them people's moving And he was picking strawberry he said what'd you say? I said them people's moving? He said I bet you that's somebody stealing that thing You know what he do? Interviewer: What's that? 505: Went back and come over that house and there was that truck {X}. See if there's one {X} but there isn't then well that's some- that was somebody break in and getting stuff. Interviewer: Oh. 505: And he just {X}{NS} right after that. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: He had something look what it was I don't know. He said right here and so when the man come he asked me said, I sure thank you for telling me somebody moving And I tell you cause somebody moving and I said I didn't mean to run my mouth He said he, no everybody don't know me. I said I just thought you are somebody moving. {X} and they come home come home, and when he went back {NW}, they had to move him and he had a {X}. But the man with the {X} when he come back he, see about somebody done broke the {X} {X} women. They got one of the television and one {X} and I reckon they seen him coming they know got best they could. Unfastened the back door and then he had to go in there. Call my cousin and she had the keys to the house to come fix the {NS}{X}. It was {X}, cause I didn't do {X} country don't fool yourself. And when I was working, when I {D: risk them} how I used to {X} But I use a little trouble now, unless you break in. And now when I carry the little girl home that stay with in old time, and then I got back, I had I went and had about of rows two three months {X} but I had any {X}. But they have me out {X} the most. So one night, I was working hard chopping cotton, a big car pull in between them two trees Said I don't know how he got that so good cause I been scared try to get my gun. And I hear {D: the drum} of police, and I was sleeping tired and I had {X} just like I did now. And uh, he woke me up hard cause he struck me about there they do it there all the time. he thought it was good but now I never know {X} two peoples is not a lot. And uh, car was parked up there. And he is {D: held my feet I's} jumped there and popped the light on when I pop my light on he popped his on. {NS}{D: There was people going around the building} pretending to sell rose but they was uh, they robbed your homes and come in your home taking things. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And now I here by myself. And this {X}. {D: There was a ticket} I come back but when I put a light on he put his on. I come back look {X} at my door. {NW} {NS}{X} And I- I- I left my {X}. He like {X} that used to be, {NS} he have trees on them now {D: he didn't have to rip them trees} {X}. {NW} I {X} I was gonna {X} to pieces again cause I didn't know what it mean. He had a {X}. And the railroad there that time and it almost {X}. And he got there. {X} you ain't scared and I said ya. I used to be scared but I'm scared now got too much {X}. People breaking into your home now and you here. It don't make no difference. {D: Booking} old ladies and raped and kill and take their money. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: People used to get on with it you know? Interviewer: Some of them are. 505: That's what I'm talking about. That- that- that was dirty in here. {NS} Excuse me a minute Interviewer: #1 Sure. # 505: #2 please. # {NS} {X} Is this in your community? Interviewer: Beg your pardon? 505: Did it fall in that- in the part {X}? Interviewer: They do, it'd be {D: cropped} down there with the peanuts. Ya. 505: I bet- I bet- I bet that that's {D: pretty}. {X} got some {D: plant}. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Ya. {NS} {NS}{X} that you been through {X} good. I- I- I imagine they raise them for the the {X} Interviewer: Ya you see them coming to town and- and lining up and down there at the right at the peanut mill you know? 505: Ya. Interviewer: {X}. {X} one of them raise- 505: I heard they can get {X} from peanuts too. They ought to. Interviewer: I'm not sure what it is now but I would 505: #1 But you know, # Interviewer: #2 think so # 505: {NS}{X}. {D: It is risky}, and your condescending {X} that I've ever known in my life. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm-hmm and {X}, cotton {D: the first} {X}. Interviewer: Ya. 505: {X} daddy {X} he used to {X} plant peanuts that I used to get so tired of digging. We- we just raised them for the, {X}. Interviewer: Right. 505: We just raised them for the market {X}. Papa gave them away as well. {X}. They don't raise nothing like sweet potatoes nothing like that {X} in your community? Interviewer: Uh, yup. The- 505: Such little things like that like the {D: home use} Interviewer: #1 Right right. # 505: #2 something like that. # {X} uh raise my {NS} {NS}sweet potato {NS}{X} and pea patches and {D: market} patches {X}, {D: Johnny Hopper}. But here is um, market patch I used to take him to this market patch all the time. {D: Boy and you turn up} {X} you talking about the mazes in {X} last year. He ate everything last year. I don't know how- he got to {X}. Interviewer: {D: Is that a fact?} 505: Mm-hmm and I know these tomatoes fully young- young tomatoes. They're about, {X}. Cause you ain't good you, {X} potato patch with my brother and I and, {X} {NS}{X}. He come in here with his {X}. I don't know about I wanna do this but you, and you can tell {X} for you. I know you can {X} like a {X} {D: and a small blade}. Interviewer: {NW} 505: So I {X} that {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And he- he gonna have um, a swell market place. He raise egg plants, {NS} and more pepper than I've seen in my life in one place he had last year. Bell pepper hot pepper, banana pepper {X} {D: with that} kind of pepper, egg plants, squash, cucumbers, and uh, what do you call that little thing I forget that little thing that he call that {X}. He had um, snap beans butter beans, and greens good {D: greens are like that} {D: I already grown and} {X}. He had greens and {X} {X} It might be {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: Ya he- he- he- he got {X}. He {D: bought it}, {X}. He- he really has a nice tru- He- he can't hit them that good. Interviewer: Just, just good at that sort of thing then. 505: Ya uh ya and uh he- he- he has a job too. At that time he was the, worked over at uh, {NS} {X}? But he said it got so rough where he had been working now {D: a year I said give it up}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: He said only go out sometime {D: ain't nobody} gonna come back {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: He told me. {D: Night} is too short now for something like that. he works there I think that's some place you {X} now. Cause he really has the market- he got a nice market patch now. Interviewer: Are you a member of any kind of church group, or any kind of clubs or anything like that? 505: Oh we have uh, yes we have missionary {X} all like that missionary. Interviewer: You got a missionary society? 505: Missionary {X}. Church and {X}, goes to Sunday school. I used to go to all of them {X}. {D: Different}, and I'm, a member of my choir. And all like that I goes like that. I used to be the secretary {X} some of the younger kids. Ya I worked in my church hard. All of my life I like that. Now I sang- you sang in a group but I sang in the cho- in the chorus now but I don't sing in the group. Since I got, by myself I don't have no transportation, making the group go. So that girls called me the other day, they thought I would sing. Some of them, {X} I said no. I said never will I give up some of my {X}. {X} remember that. The ladies keeps {X} {D: while I sang a lot}. Then that old too. Voice gone. {D: It's hard} {X}, {D: as, um} {D: the other night} {X} {X}? {NS} She {X}. So they sold {D: beers}. {X} my house? Ya she be {X}. {X}. That's all yours. I said dear Lord I do something for yourself. I said now I'm gonna be gone one day and you gonna need to know. And, you gonna be at least {X}. I suppose some of the young folks {X}. I said I been doing this ever since I {D: have a body}. Three years old. I said now, if you start at home if you make a mistake be at home. I said {X} and do it yourself. You gonna make it work {D: and I said no}. Guess {D: we never gonna stay until Monday}. That's what you got to school for. You sure tell them something {X} that's why they get it all day. {NW}. Interviewer: Tell me about- tell me something about the house that you were born in. What it looked like, and what the- 505: Well, the house I was born in was a log house, and it had um, {D: boxed in}, {X}, where I was born. And then had the kitchen was a large room. And the air room was a large room and it had, a porch from one end to the other. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh huh. Interviewer: All the way across the front? 505: Uh huh. It had um, on the air room in the back never had a {X}. Back porch um, I been somewhere about six, about six or seven feet, as you go out the, kitchen {X}, kitchen back there. And we had a well, a really big barn, and then we had another hay barn made out of logs. Interviewer: How long did you live in that house? 505: I live in um, {X}. {X}. Uh when we left that house I, I was uh five years old. We didn't live there too long on that side. My daddy see them uh, saw our neighbors growing you know older than I was cause I was the ba- I'm the baby of the family. And they um, {X} how old {D: Si} was when we left there. He's in his teens I know. My sister she- she's {D: there} too. {X}. She die she seventy-one. She die in seventy, {D: actually} seventy-one. Sixty-nine or seventy-one, just remember that. But anyway, now she was my half sister cause my daddy had been married before he married my mother, and my mother had been married and just like I married and my husband died that's {D: the way they did}. She- he lost his wife, and my mother lost her husband they married. And uh, sister was my half sister but I didn't know the different {X}. She- she can just like, couldn't love her no more she had been my whole sister. And I had- my mother had a boy, who was my half brother. And he just {D: passed here}, here at seventy-four? Ya {D: Joe} died in seventy-four. And he was uh, he was {D: eighty-four}. And so she had a child and he had a child and uh then he had some more {D: kids}, sisters and brothers. And mother raised all of them kids up and, {D: looked right at me and I said} {X}. We all had to do the same. Then that, our sisters {D: always brother's} {X} I got you know large enough to {D: relax} {X} but they would come back, that {X} home you know? And all of them, {X} say {D: I never would be no cow}. All of them {X} played with me you know? And still make me think I was about grown as they was but, I always wanted to be the baby so I could {X} {D: ain't come back}. {NW}. That's uh- I tell you ya I, I had- I had a- I had {D: a loving couple of brothers and sisters}. Ya after I got- now I'm gonna tell you this, after I got, when I got nine, when I got eight years old, I had a whole {X} every day. {D: Chocolate} like I do now {D: cause} I got ten. I was a washer {D: and that} at the home and we had washer on a scrub board, my mother would wash them white clothes, if she won't {X} washer. And they better be clean. {X} {D: and you don't know anything} about that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Mm-mm. See that happen when I come {D: on}. Them clothes be just snow white, washed them clothes I had and then I had to go get- get that {D: ranching} bar and {D: ranch them} till nothin- wash them {X}. Hell they better be clean. And I have to tell you my mother used to fix {X} I been fixing {X} since I was twelve years old. {D: Let's know what it} I know you can do if you try. Now I- I can cook but I- I- you know I gonna tell you no {X} I don't think I {D: contest} with my mother. Everybody says she's the cooking-est women he ever been around. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh-huh I ain't saying it cause she my mama. My mama- you know your mama's {X} taste better than anybody's in here, {D: to me you do}. Interviewer: That's true. 505: Uh-huh. My mama just could cook, she could cook most any common thing {X}. She used to work around white people you know? Um, back {X} washing and cooking doing for them, she could cook most anything. She raised up, her sister's child up. She just died year before last. But she died, she's eighty, a normal age {D: up}. Now that was my next mama after mother died. Mother died, my mother died in forty. And my daddy died in, in thirty. And mama raised up {D: at me}, day after mama died she, she {X} and I had to tend to her and, {X} I want to. She {X} goes out the back door. {X}, with a tub of clothes, {X}, I think that the {D: basin} {X}. And it knocked her down and, {D: broke her shoulder but} {X}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: But she seemed to like {X} she seemed like no {X}. She called me and {X}. {D: They didn't} {X} {D: by themself} like I did {X} you said get {X}. So she stayed in the {X}. I had been at the hospital two months with my eyes. And my right eye {D: start} {X} three nights {X}. She uh didn't realize what she'd done and kept on {X} and, she'd get me out of bed and I was, I don't know I just overdid it. The doctor told me said man your eyes, {X}. {X}. She said you gotta pinch the nerves {X} you stayed there too long. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: {D: So he thought that}, I can see out of {X} it feel like something in it sometime. He says theres a pinched nerve in there. But she {D: paged} in the hospital. She never did get that phone number. She was old so didn't have no {X} and {X} and all that. {D: Walkways from- from the door}, and that door hit her and {X}, and just tripping and she fell, on her shoulder. Broke that shoulder {D: all up in there}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: She never did {D: get up}. Ya she was raised, my mama and daddy raised her. She {X} mama and papa. Interviewer: Well tell me about this house that you're living in now. You got uh, what a- what about the room that we're sitting in now what do you call that? 505: Uh this just- I don't have a two bedrooms, and the back room's the {D: tele room}. This the kitchen. Don't {D: look at it's nasty I just cleaned it}. {NW} {X} I don't mind you going through {D: up here}. {NW}. {X} I been gone all morning. {X} and everything {D: in there.} And uh, that's the bedroom, this the bedroom {X}. And the {X}. And this be the living room, {X} my rooms are too small {D: or too big as that.} Interviewer: Oh I see. 505: Uh-huh. And I- that- that was the back porch then this is the kitchen. And um, there was the back porch back there and I had {X}, into a {D: tele room} since I been here. Uh-huh. I had that- I had that {X} on here since I been here. See- see but, {D: people} {X}? Well now it's a back porch. The man {D: wouldn't take a piece out} cause that piece gonna {X} in the house {X}. Interviewer: {X} 505: He said if I take that out I make it {X} {X} be sitting on the back {D: you know whoever be}. Interviewer: Right. 505: And I had this {X}. They ain't that nice but i- when you're by yourself and you can't do it but that's all you can do. Interviewer: {NW} 505: You see my {D: bean and potato I pick this month}? Interviewer: Oh well you have been organizing. 505: Ya I pick uh- I pick them greens this {D: morning}. And I pick uh- the {X} I pick them snap beans. And I wash them beans too cause I {X} cook them greens. And I get ready to {X}. {X}. {D: To me there's} {X} sometime a day. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: And that tomorrow {D: we will}. {NS} Interviewer: How long you say you've been living in this house? 505: Uh I been here- I be here now- I be here- been here eight years going on nine it be nine years {D: of thirteen of this in coming March}. Interviewer: Nine years? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is this- Is this uh- guy right there in this picture, is that one of your husbands or- 505: No that's a preacher {X}. {NS} Mm, {D: I kinda can't recall} his name. He preach at the {D: son of} {X} in Memphis. {B}. Mm-hmm {X} {B}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: A he- he- he used to {X} and I fix super for him at night and he give me that photograph. Interviewer: I see. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Tell me have you traveled around Mississippi very much? #1 {D: Down in} # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Tennessee? 505: I traveled all- uh a good bit in uh- Tennessee but not too far {D: out}. I been, I been uh- {X}, and um, {X} Kentucky and getting places like that and, ain't never been to Nashville don't {X} {D: ain't ever} been there. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh huh. I had a {D: friend} there about three miles {X}. {D: But their so bad neighborhood got that} I didn't go. And my niece go to school in Nashville now. And my niece was here yesterday and she said she couldn't live with the {X}. But I have never been to Nashville. They tell me it's a pretty place. Interviewer: I've never been to Nashville either. 505: So you haven't? Interviewer: Sure haven't. 505: And uh- {X} and {X} and {X} and- and uh- oh. What is the name of the place used to be um- mm, I played it on a station {X}. {X} gas station here? {D: I said naw} {X} I got chance to go, {X} gas station. But we had a {X}. I been all over places like that and- {X} and and um past Tennessee {D: and them place} to travel like that. And I used to live on {D: o-one of} {X}. I've been to {D: I've- I've been to the} {X} places and all like that. And I've been to {D: Pittsburgh}. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm-hmm. I said- I've been to someplace but I- I just said {X} like traveling if I had a chance. My husband, {D: turned to me and said}, you wanna go see {X} wanna go see {X} I said {X}. He said, you just {D: bought} your coat I get your suitcase and get your {X}. I said hell no. He said but you better stay at home. {NW} And um, believe it or not I had it, I made up my mind to go this year. And that boy died. He- he came from his son in uh- in uh- Omaha, Nebraska, and he had been here three weeks, and he and my brother had done told me some we gonna buy you a suitcase. And he said I'm not {D: standing here and then come back} {X} we gonna get you {X} as soon as you go and {X}. You ain't going {D: around} {X} {NW} He said I should just {X} thats all you gonna do. I said I ain't staying I said I'm going. And he passed even before I got the chance {D: to}. {X}. I had money to go but they was {X}. {D: They don't} {X} I was gonna tell you. And I {X}. But now I don't know when you got a house to see after nobody there {X} works the whole time, {D: sorry} he ain't no {X}. Uh he was {X} {D: not that} {X} to worry about but- but, {D: can't got some of those} chicken out of that {X}. {D: They been thinking} {X}. So {D: Si} she come in she had twelve {D: peas} and she matched them down to seven. No I glad she ain't got no more because she too big in her {X}, {X} I get rid of when she, {X}. {X} {D: see I sold her shoes}. And I {X} together cause they were together a lot, and she got too fat. You can get them too fat with them, hit her with peas like that they won't do too good, and lay on you know too lazy to get up. So she got {D: to sit with them} {X}. {X}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: He got some fine {X}. He got some fine {D: black guy}. He sold them down last year {X} don't work them too hard. {X} their age- your age you're working too hard. You go and stop us you thought you old but, you just like that {X}. Well you work yourself to death that's what you've done. {X} you is trying to kill yourself. {NW} {D: Dear Lord} {X}. I said you {D: better be} get down {X} somebody gotta do. {X} good {X}. He think he {X} {D: better now that} {X}. Don't fool yourself. Both of them {X} but that's my dad and brother too. Ya he- he go see {D: back what I needed} {X} if- if he living. If he got a {X} he come up like that just like two twins. His wife {D: tell him} {X}, because, {D: is all} {X} I know you {X}. You know what she gonna {X}, {D: I ain't seen her}! You know what she gonna do to {X} cause boy {X}. {NW} But we come up like that. We come up together and he used to {D: be}. When we is coming up children you know {D: they and someone} would be {X}. {D: They jump on} {X}. Now I take that little child and I tie him up. Mama say I was the meanest thing when I was coming {X}. {NS}{NW} Come in house one day, {D: little white boy} {X} crying. {D: Ain't bad}. Mama said, {D: the name Elizabeth} but everybody call him {X}. Uh-huh. {X} he would {X} he have a great big {X}. I try to march {X} up his head. I said to him I said, {D: Frank}, I still push {X}. What you gonna do about it? I said I wouldn't ask no one {D: to bind} you. I said you li- lis- listen your mother didn't- {X} didn't raise you to act like that. I say you {D: either} {X}. He said, {X}. {NS} I got that {X} child and locked him out. {NW}. Ya I did! I lock him out! {X}! {NW} I said you don't call me no {D: dog}. I say we {X} I say I break your leg. So you don't call me no {D: dog}. I say I never call you {X} name I said you better not {D: call me on} mine. I say ya {D: I don't care} {X}- I say {X}. I said you don't call me no dog {X}. I say I call you Frank and you call me {X}. He {D: done gone good} and tell everybody I said you better not. He said I is going {X}. {NW} {X} I said I {X} cause he was a {D: devil}. {NW} So {X}, {X} one day, {D: and that} boy he told the boys, they said {X}. I was like get your {X}. I said {X}. We all play {X} play ball. He say {X}. I said he {D: don't I will}. I {X} {D: be a good boy} {X}, and {X} {D: them} crazy. {NW} What was it you r- you really thought you say oh {X}. I said oh no mama. I said you ain't never {X} pick a fight in my life. {NS} I- {D: he said} mama he hit me. but was it right of you to hit him back? I hit him. Ya. {X} he cut me off. I hit him. {X} you better learn how to fight for yourself. But don't think that should {X}. And Lord she did not {D: breathe a thing}. {X}- my mama had jumped on {D: Bill}, there'd be a fight. Ya I fight for her. {D: Fight for a minute}. {D: You know} I said you do that {X} I said well I- I {X} I said but I won't {X} I'm gonna tell you right now. I say {D: you is life}. But I say you try it. {NW} She said {D: you fool you}. {NW} No I been- I been {X} because that's something I don't do now. I don't care what {X}. But they {X} who was atheists. I don't like that {X}. {X} {D: like if I done mine}. That's right. If I didn't see someone {D: helping you} I'd do that. But I definitely gonna tell you this and {X} that's wrong. That's the worst thing you do in life. I seen a man got killed like that you know. He thought another man was going through the wrong farm, {X}. You get in trouble like that. I don't care what my {X} do, they gonna see the moment {X}. Now bet me on my life. Uh-uh. I love {D: Bill} but {X}. {D: I know I like} dang right. Interviewer: Ya he is better about that. 505: No no! He- he- {X} and you know what? {D: It very} {X} loving that {X} in you. And I don't see it work out? No. Mama just teach us that don't never {D: tattle}. And that's a good {D: idea}. She said have you see some going out with- I see someone going out with you. And I thought it was going to happen to you. I come up- What you's- What'd you tell me your name is? Interviewer: Mark. 505: Mark, I says uh, you be careful out there {X} you watch. {D: And if} they go tell you {X} so I'm gonna tell ya. Some say mm-mm. You find out for yourself that's the best {D: it is}. Interviewer: Is tattling about things and gossiping about things the same thing? 505: I don't- I- I- I- I don't see no different in it. Do you? Interviewer: I don't know it seems like to me it's uh- 505: But what you mean by {X} just like if I come and, tell you something that somebody said {D: then} I get the- get the next person {X} {D: unbiased to me}. Interviewer: Something like that or, I guess I always think of tattling as something that little kids would do you know? #1 {X} # 505: #2 Ya. # Interviewer: I don't know maybe your brother did something he wasn't supposed to and you go run and tell your mother. 505: Mm- uh-huh. Interviewer: And gossiping, it seems to be more of a thing that adults do you know grown ups. 505: Ya. And uh, do you notice that {X} grown ups just act like that too? {D: That's right.} But uh- uh I think {X} place, is a thing that I think a person shouldn't do. Gossiping and, you know just like if me and you sitting here talking now, I tell you, my brother sure is bad. {D: And they do to me}, do you know you- don't you know I know, {D: though} I know I'm lying? Now that's gossiping. Telling something you shouldn't, and trying to make it sound bad and, that ain't too good. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Like, one day {D: Rosa} come over and she played with me, little white girl. She says uh {X}. I said uh-huh? {D: Laura says come over there}. She loved to play with me cause I used to keep {X}. I said, I'm over here and I said- I said {D: mom}, if mom {X} tell you. She's {X} she just said- I said- {NW} I said who cares! I said you {X}, {X}. I said who care this time {D: I'll tell you). {X} {D: there's say} {X} {D: Rosa think you gonna whoop her}. {D: I love me} {X}. I said okay. I said keep that in your {X} how long you just {X}. Very long time {D: mom}. {NW} {NW} Those was a mess {X}. Interviewer: {X} 505: She a sweet little kid though doesn't {D: mean no}. {D: Don't care}- where she's growing up in Christmas time, her mama got her {X} {D: someone get me} {X}. And there's this little boy, oh he about this tall now, he the baby, {X} he didn't want to get us a Christmas present. What we gonna give {D: back to} {X}? {NW} I- uh- he said why you {X} {D: money}? Get {X} money, you working. {D: I already} tell his dad. So {D: I bought} {X} someday {X}, wrapped all them together. I said to the Smith family, Happy Christmas. {D: I is in there}, uh- Merry Christmas and a Happy new Years {X}. {D: I said it} {X}. Said ya, said that you brought me here {X}. {D: who going with} me. Mama {D: gonna}. {X} {D: all hours} {X} mama go. {X} the nicest person. {D: I will give him} {X}, I had to {X}. {X}, that she give to me as a Christmas present. {NW} So he kept them over here. He said {D: what that} {X}? And I says I'm working on my {D: sauce}. What kind of {D: sauce}? I said well I don't {D: care} my own. Did mama {X}? {D: Little boy} {X} to care. I said well I care about {D: home} {X}. What did you put in there? And I said black pepper, salt, I said {X} pepper and sage. {X} do {X} good. {X}. I say, well maybe if you be a good baby I say maybe I get you some for Christmas that's {X}. That {X}. I had to give it to him. He came to {D: thank} {X}. I said but you have to give mother and daddy {D: and those} {X}. {D: I don't care}. He got ready to go home and I fixed a little package, put that in a {D: purse that what you do}. He said I see ya. {NW} I said okay. {D: Parents} had told me the other day that {D: you've a lot of} school already you getting some {X}, {X}. Tell me there's a {X} with a brain {X}. I said {D: okay}. Even with the {X}. I said {X} in that {X}. He come in here. {X}! I went out and {X}. Come on sit down and- sit down in the chair. Hmm. I says who is this for? You. I bought you some candy. {D: I be able to} kiss the boy I said that's so sweet of you. I said you {X} some candy. Y- you always gave me some. {X} {NW} {X} {X} {X} you give me some too. {NW}. I said you the wonderful baby. And I said aw you got sweet baby. Mm-hmm. He looking around see, he looked in another room and {X}. {D: Your daddy get ready to go back out}. I said what {X} I said take this apple home. {D: Thank you} {X}. I had to get you {X}. Interviewer: {NW} That's nice. 505: You know- you know- you know, my sister no I don't think she loved Jesus as well as I do. She's- she said I {X} but you know what? {X}, the girl I used to help raise her kids {X}, {X}. I whooped her kids more than she do and you know, ain't hardly evening come to school they running {X}. It's a {X}. {X} {D: a kid when needing} and teaching, and tell them where {X}. {D: Let them know- mama never made that offer} but when she {X} I had one. You don't need to be the kid for everything you do. Teach them and tell them. And tell them what {D: bad things} {X}, how to show them things, how to treat people. And- {D: and when you don't do it you can with your time} {X}. Is you {X} {D: in your life}? Interviewer: Oh ya burned up several times. 505: Well you think, you don't even need- that you don't need me {X} {D: good}. Now I ain't ever had {X}. {D: This} {D: whooping I got} was about fighting. Now mama told me to do something I did not dare- She said when I tell you to do something {D: better go on out there and} do it. She said {D: did you go and do it or I'm gonna give} a whooping on top of it. See I know what that meant. And I think now, if the people was to teach their children, how to treat people, and how to act and how to live, to be a better world. {D: That's} {X} we need more love. I don't need your {X}. I ain't gonna speak to him and he ain't speak to me {X}? He gonna {D: call} {X}. Mr. {X} up here, he's an old man. He ask me to {X} for him {X} something for my brother gonna {X} some guys {X}. And when he got through he said uh, {D: all I want are} kids to {D: appreciate more} {X} I said now I'm doing this work for Bill. He said I don't care who you're doing it for. Say you done, what I ask you to do is no- {X} work. I said well Mr. {X} look I didn't do it {D: to suit you}. I said don't think I'm getting on {X}. I say you do it. I said {D: don't matter doing anything} I do it the best I know how. He said that what it takes. he said I know you and Bill know how to work. He said and I appreciate {D: another day you bought me}. {X} {D: pound}. {X}. {X}. Interviewer: #1 {X} # 505: #2 He said- # Interviewer: {X}. 505: Something I know you need. And I put it in the box, the keys {X} and I don't care about no {D: car}. {D: I will}, {D: a catfish} {X}. Interviewer: Ya they're good I like them. 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: You like to fish {D: far}? 505: Hmm? Interviewer: You like to fish for catfish? 505: What you talking about? If I saw him and {D: heard} {X} been fishing {X}. {X} fish {X}, don't you see my poles {X} tree? Interviewer: I didn't see them when I came in. 505: {D: Ain't missing} from that old tree. {D: I want} I- I uh- I {X} big fish in the river the other day, {D: they tore the pole} {X} and I had to buy me another big pole before I go fish. Interviewer: {D: Well I haven't} been catfishing a long time. 505: {D: Say ya?} Interviewer: I like catching though but here {D: you think}, you get one in size 505: #1 Ya. # Interviewer: #2 you- # 505: {D: Georgia) said y- Are you {X} {D: head up}. a {X} pole. I said no. I said you put the pressure on me and I'll put the pressure on you. And I said you get {X} pole. {X}, held his {X} back. And {X}. You like to fish? Interviewer: I sure do I- I just don't have, seems like I don't get a chance to go very much. 505: What Bill doesn't wanna fish {X}. {NW} That guy has gone fishing everyday. A- and don't think, don't fool yourself {X} you can catch it. She {X} that she got home four or five poles. She got a call because the truck {D: that run} truck in the shop. And she got them {D: dogs} in the trunk, and {D: dogs} getting in there and acting like little children. She gonna try and make that {X} work. And her {X} my little nieces {X}. And then you woulda {X} me here {D: if I hadn't left this pain been in my side}. {X} and I won't feeling good that's why in my {D: hip} like that {X}. Cause I {D: knew} been here picking up beans there like I did but I was gonna pick them when I come home this evening. {D: Sun} and they gonna go {X}. You ever been down on that {D: local block}? Interviewer: No I haven't. 505: {D: Well they}-- they- they just {D: got on the road and} {X}. {X} {D: do}. {D: All}, Mr. {X}. They have got a {X} down there. We all preach down there. So there uh- {D: they left} I saw them going fishing {D: this}, {D: his sister} {X}. She lost her husband about three months ago and, she can {X} in the yard. They gonna, {X} fish. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: {D: That's sorry} to make a {D: sick} fish. He get a {X} and then there I'm going to the bank. {NS} Hey you ready to go? Wait I got a good bite awhile ago. {NW} {D: George} {D: ain't no} {X}. {D: You gotta get ready to go out there}. I never heard {D: of that}. I said it- it b- it's gonna rain we better get in the house {D: here}. I said we got the car, but we ain't go the trunk. I said {X} car {X}. I said we got a long ways to walk to get cars and {D: white truck} {D: and}, {D: white car} and I said we may not even get {D: at them}. That here is {D: true} {X}. And then I drive after I fish {D: tore my pole up} I could not get {D: George} {X} with rain. Interviewer: {NW} 505: And we got there and wh- when we got in rain, come and fish {X} if we had been coming from, the riverbank up there. Ya we- we go fishing. We love that. But honey you talking about something real {D: when I had} my first {D: living} husband we living up {D: in there}, {D: pre-coming} through that {X}. And he like {D: nets}. Now that's the way he fish. {D: Nets} in the {X}. Now he- he do it but he's so {X} a handful but he's like that. He likes his {D: net}. He- he ain't {X} to fish. {X} fish net. {X}. {D: Soon}, I paddle up and down the river. {D: Mama} {X}. {NW} I paddle up and down the river. Now when we {D: live at} the bottom {X}. I had a, put people's clothes and stuff {X} come to school. All his {X} he had saw {X}. Sometime that water change and the boys keep paddling keep it going, couldn't swim a bit. And I'd be still in the river. {D: A boat} by myself {X}. I never had no bad luck the Lord taking care of me. {X}. I couldn't swim but, I paddle the boat, but mother didn't want us {X}. And we got to the {D: net}. He said I {X}- I be the {X} home. I said pull that {X} out of here. He pull that {X}. I said uh-uh! I said {X}. {NW} {X} fish come back. {X} he couldn't get good {X}. I said uh-uh I said you- you- you been here with me. I said uh-uh {X}. And uh- no man {X} he said, {X} uh-uh. I said I can't see them {X}. You- don't you know I had {X}. he said I'm gonna put boat {X} fish. So he {X} everyone back {X}. Get the fish {X}. And then they put me on the back I {X} pole. And I caught a {X} like that. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: I say y'all {D: ready to do it} {X}. I finally got the fish in the- in the net and {X} tired and you know why he wouldn't {X} jump out. He didn't have no {X}. I said {D: Dean}. He said what? I said you {D: get a} {X}? {X}. I said here's a fish in that {D: long gun}. And {X} working at that {D: technisty} shop where he at. {D: It's got a minute}. {X} put my {X}. And this {D: and our} fish look look to be bigger, {D: You know those big long}. But uh, he look like he had got {X} in water like that. He was in there long but the- and everything went {D: dead}. Try that. Otherwise {D: you're gonna do} bad fish. come back some kind of way and jumped {D: out of} {X} that's a big fish. Interviewer: Mm. I bet it was. 505: It was a big fish. {D: But did he} {X}? No. He went to his nets one day, and had to come back home to one of us {X} {D: you don't have that}. Bill cross {D: trees} to get to the river you know. But they had {D: rolls} there but you know the water was there. And Bill {D: stay} {X} for {X} {D: George ya} he just said come {X}. He stayed with me and my husband. And I see him come running walking so fast and {D: I don't wanna} {X} Bill. I've been {D: getting} {X} you know. I said now I know {D: Dean ouldn't have made} Bill. I said {X} really {X}. I- I- look like it was {X} come to a {X}. She got {X} them. {NW} He s- he see me come out yard and {X}. I just come back to {X}. I said for what? {D: Shoulda mean} {X}. I say you tell me a {D: story why is Bill}? He down there. He came up here fish the {X}, that's why I {X}. He said I'm gonna put {X} {D: on the horse lawn}. Take that {D: hidden} gate out of that thing and, {X} {D: nail, put more} {X} {D: lying all day}. And did you know that everyday's a {X} day? And then Bill took some, {X}, it had lure the fishing {X} nets. Bill catch {D: cats} from here and you know how small {D: you keeping them wound nets} you don't see them {X}. {NS} {D: Maybe he did.} What was it? A hundred and- hundred and some pounds of fish. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Sure did. Cause see they- they- they {D: leaving}, {X} but they had to cross some trees. And that water, was just about up to the whole stomach deep. The creeks they had to cross {X} was a {D: road} but, you know how to Interviewer: #1 Right. # 505: #2 one of them # uh, we use- we walk on that when it's, you know {X}. {NS} {X} {D: horse} and put that, {X} because, he suggest, put that in {D: the gate and carry it on back with him}. Put that, {X}. I don't know how to fix it {X}. As he once did {D: then} {X}, put that fish in a sack and {D: brought him home}. Sure did. All my peoples used to come by, and always help cause my {X}. {D: The creek come through there} we use the {D: same} {X}, and catch fish and fry them on the back of {X} {D: and we would fix} {D: food} you know {X}? Do you know that's some {X}? Interviewer: #1 I bet it's # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: good. 505: What you talking about? Sometime we have peas, {X}, {X}. {NW} {X}- {D: we have cream in- in fridge} you know {X}. Interviewer: Right. 505: We were I- I have to tell you, I really have enjoyed my life I work hard all my life but I ain't very {X}. When I had a husband I- I have to tell you I had two {D: good of them} {X}. I know you {D: ain't} {X} I don't think I never will {X} but I don't think I {X}. It's hard to {X} they is right behind each other. Interviewer: That's true. 505: But I did. I had two good husbands. The one that, {X} {D: dive up}, {X} there he got {D: in his bed}. {D: He has}- he sold a place at the {X}. He and his sister sold it. And I sold a house {X} {D: since} I been here. I decide I gonna never {X} house. He says {D: I been here}. {D: She- I'd given her} {X}. Don't have a sister and brother {X}. She got her share and I got mine {X}. But we used to have some good time {D: at the home in} {X}. Saying {D: they got sun but you don't got that saying and big saying catch all the fish and you can}? How {X} was the one that washed the fish and, put that {D: wash} {X} that grease in there, get that great big bowl and {X} that fish {X}. {X} it was {X} you can keep {X}. Sometime we have barbecue with the fish and all like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 505: {X} {D: in} {D: gray} {X}, and- and- an- an- an- an- and the rest of us crazy about whiskey. {X} and get some corn whiskey {X} {D: whiskey} {X}. They had the thing that you need to {D: drink}. We have {X} {D: we aren't trying to} {X} my husband and me. {X}. We are always {D: family} always have stuff together like this. {D: The rest}- the most of them lived {X} we would just get together. When we had {X} {D: all four years and} {X}. We all would just {D: join in and} be at home. Interviewer: Talking about, whiskey, what do people around here call homemade whiskey? 505: Call it corn whiskey. Interviewer: Corn whiskey? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Ever heard it called anything else, besides that? 505: No. Someone- someone call it {D: white light}. Interviewer: {D: White light?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 Moonshine or something like # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 that? # 505: #2 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: That's what I'm thinking they do a lot of in Alabama. 505: Oh my {D: child child}. {X} {D: would}. {D: I wanna hear} {X}, and all we {X} you can find a {X}. {NW} You know {X}, in the bottom of these {X} {D: in the bottom}. and here that {NS} right over there. For when I- when my first husband and I were {X}. And I wa- it {X}. Ya it was {X}. Them white peoples went out and dug holes, and see me and {X} them holes, {D: and you go ahead and {X}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: And they are {D: bad} you know? And put them {D: a pump} out there. And I'm a {X} see they had been {D: running out of their time for} {X}. And they get out one day {X} said, {X}. I had not noticed {X} back there but I {D: ever been to a} {X} you talk about getting. I ain't got to wait in there. I ain't never seen {X}. Oh ya. You {X} {D: that's round} you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and that there on the ground {X}. That {X} use and- an- an- and another they had was harmless. You get that big old {X} put all your {X}. Interviewer: Oh ya? 505: That's what they had. {D: Should I} {X} took my little child {X} {D: through the woods} {X} {D: because I'm there}. And the next- next- next {D: week it}, {D: remember when he was coming} {X}. And when I went to get- I was {X}. I had been working. And I think {D: that} then we didn't have {X}. I was {X} {D: and I had}, my {D: farm} made out of yarn {X} I'm on the back porch. I heard some boom boom boom! {D: I} jump. I say what is that? I say Lord {D: there} I said {D: did- does this) {X}. Now, in the {X}, {X} right at the house you know. But he was shooting at this man running from the {X}. He, he had thought the man went back, down towards the house, the house for {X} that, mill house up there. He {X} back down the road. But how he come out and got in that, in that {X} by my house I don't know. I see you. and the man in {X}, he went back down and he- and he {D: lost them}. He said which way my {D: side door}. I said {X} right through that thicket. I said keep on down that hill I said {X}. {D: I said to him hit them woods}. He {D: went on}. He said {D: do you know that kid but} I say no. And I looked and looked {X} see the man until I got {D: down}. I was out here {X} a guy the other day, he come on tripping through the house. He did {D: scare me} {X} those- those um- there are two rooms, but the hole come between the two rooms you know, on the back porch. And he go out of the front on the front porch. And the kitchen was on the back but I- but I'm on the back porch by the kitchen. He said uh- he got no {X} he said I'm doing wrong {X} He said hello. I said hello. He said {X} I said {X}? He says I ain't done nothing what I {X}. He said you see the {D: man}? I said, {D: a man}? I said what about him? {X}. I didn't tell him nobody. He said, you don't think {X} {D: hidden in the barn}? I said I ain't ever been to no {X}. I said what to do that. And I know it as good as yo- you- you do {X}. He said {X} {D: make whiskey at}. I said oh. {D: What, down in the barn}? {D: He said ya}. He said I'll show you {D: a guy and say he come}, like he's coming up this hill and but, I see his tracks in the {D: dirt and}, in that {X} but I know he didn't. {D: For that} boy come out the way we didn't come we be coming fishing and he just, he'd ran so fast he {X}. Made {X} {D: track} with his old {D: track} {X} {D: track}. And I say no he not here I say you wanna look through the house? he looked at me he said I take your word. I said you {X} go on through and look. {D: He been wanting to} {X}. I said {X} look if you want. I kept {D: on lying}. He said no {D: he in here}. He {X} out there he {X} his head {X}. And just {X}. Ya he walked in {D: looks}. He- he- {X} he- he {D: better believe} I hit him. {D: Said} myself {X} ain't nobody never hit nobody {X}, and I'll be {X}, and you, you can {X}. And so the {X} {D: walked on} {X} very much different. And they {X} and then they ain't got a white man {X}. And every time it's {B} that come up. from {X}, they be {D: down the river}. {D: Hi}. {D: That's fine for you}. {X} is your husband good to you? I said he {X} {D: be there}. {NW} He said- he said that if he don't treat you right you let me know and I'll take him away from you. I said what you gonna, {D: put on my} {X} you take him away from me? He said don't he make whiskey? I said he won't make no whiskey {D: staying with} me. Your husband drink whiskey? I said I'm mad that you {D: drink. I see you drink some I know} {X} but I see him drink. I said better {X}, from um, somewhere, and {X}. I know that he drink whiskey but he- I'm gonna tell him, I know he drinked it. He said um, but if he don't be good to you let me know and I take him {D: under. You tell me}, why he got his whiskey {X}, taking {D: him out of your way}. And you go where you want. I said I'll {X}. {NW} I said- I said now here {X}. He said I don't know. You know- you know a {X}? I said yes. Well is he um I said he {X} a while a go. {D: Whatever size} a man {X} {D: heavy set}? He said {X}. Now listen {X} didn't know {X} ya he's up that home a while ago and he was talking to {D: Joe}. {NW} And {X}. {X} told them {X} what kind of clothes you have {X} I didn't know that was his brother. He said {D: I don't notice but}, he run across the field and he uh said I know why {D: you were}. He said well I'm {X}. And they thought that someone had {D: done wrong} last year so they, {X} I did tell them Joe just had come in from uh, Oak Ridge. {X} say you work there. {X} even with his {X}. {D: So the others} say well you didn't catch him now did you? So you can't take the next {X}. Said but {X} come in for {X}. So he- he- he didn't- he a- he met with some {X} one day and was {NS}{X} {D: and he was talking to} {X}. But he just didn't know it. Ya he should be {D: afraid of a playground} here child. You should be {D: lone} {X} {D: hang in the middle}. Those {X}. {NW} Make me mad {X}. Interviewer: Mm. When we were talking about the house a minute ago and you mentioned the living room? Have you ever heard people call the living room anything other than that? 505: No I don't think I have. Let me ask you a question since you ask me that. Interviewer: Okay. 505: Which room in your house is the most important room {NS} {NS}{X} Interviewer: {NS}{X} that they- family would entertain guests or some- 505: No I mean just which My- my- my- my home demonstration they'd have asked this question and uh all them were saying living room and different rooms and I says {X}. And she said I right, so I tell them {D: as you} I'm asking you which room that you think is the most important part in your- of your house. Interviewer: Hmm. That's a tough question. Uh, I guess maybe the- the place where you eat you know if that was {X}. 505: Ya you right. That's what I said. All of them was saying the living room some was saying the bed room, and uh, she said I used to {X} {B} And I said well I {D: miss} {B} {X} that could be the kitchen. I said {D: girl that's where you}- you got to prepare your food. I said the most important place and I said you gotta be, particular how you keep your {X} clean you know. I said I bet them {D: par-} part of your house is the kitchen. So it was a- but I- I {X} the living room. So it {X} said she said well, it's a furnace sometimes {X} {B} {X} she said- she said now I asked a question I had to wait and get my decision to {D: give and see what} {X} said. Say I'm gonna {D: crash this} {X} {D: boat}. I {D: thinked} about it. {X} with me. That living room over here was {X}. {NW} Someone said the bedroom cause that's where you got to sleep at. {D: And so} {X}. She- she kind of put me on the {X} like I put you over there. {NW} She said to me said um, {D: miss} {B} how come you think the kitchen should be the most important place? I said {X} when you eat, you even want your food to be clean. I said {D: why} {X} to prepare your food. You want it to be clean, and sanitary. I said cause that food is uh, it the {D: nourishment of} your body. I said you- and then uh- you have t- if you get germs in there I say you got germs. I say you have to be particular that's why I think. I said now, I could be wrong I said that would be mo- my most {D: important} {X} in there. I want all part of my house to be, clean, and I said I ain't got nothing that nice in there I said but I wanna be clean I said but I think the kitchen is most important place. So, someone woulda {X} in here when {X} {B}. I said now miss {B} may I ask you a question? Yes ma'am. I asked her which place do you think? She says I'm not, {D: assuming against} nobody but your kitchen your most important place. All of them but I would have thought the living room. I said well, it's nice to have your living room nice and all part of your house nice. I said but, that kitchen supposed to be kind of sanitary. I said now I ain't never had my kitchen {X} in my life. {X} {D: we good at home} {X} and after my husband died I, I made a {X}. Now I had {X} cause we built that house. But since I been here and been by myself I- I don't keep the house. Say I have to tell you the truth and you have to forgive me for {X} cause I ain't clean {D: today}. {NW} Ain't nobody here with me I {X} I got {X} {D: not happening}. So I'm begging you forgive- forgive me for {X}- Interviewer: No use to apologize if you- looks very nice to me. 505: {X}, I ain't done a thing gonna strip my bed {X}. I still in bed you know {D: after} day to {X}. I got him taking some medicine {D: now}. He kind of live like um, got another stool and gone pick them beans and things, and I ain't come nowhere. Now I- I'm gonna {D: mop} about forty days ago. But I sure hadn't been {X}. Interviewer: Tell me about living room. Have you ever heard people call the living room parlor or anything like that? 505: I have heard them tell me that they have a parlor. Interviewer: That's the same thing or something different? 505: I don't know. Now tell me {D: what you} {X} tell you a little story that you don't know you don't know do you? Now I'm a b- uh- they tell me come on in my parlor. Now some tell me what the- {D: that I thought} parlor. It's- it's- it's a {D: similar} to a living room they got, couches and chairs and sometime uh- {D: different} you know, types of furniture in there you know and {D: this most} but while you go and sit and talk and you know and conversation and {X}, if you got some push {D: sense of somewhere you're sitting drink some kind of} {X} {D: drinks or something like that}. Now that's what some of them call a parlor. Interviewer: Ya. 505: Now some of them {D: they have them} call them {X} rooms and got dens and different things. And so I don't know. People's got different names for different things. Interviewer: About how big would you say this room is? 505: Twelve by fourteen. Interviewer: And the ceiling's about...? 505: Seven and a half. Interviewer: Now when you were talking about the house that you were growing up in I don't remember if you mentioned it or not but did you have a- a fireplace? 505: Mm-hmm. We had that, room I tell you one room that uh goes all the way {D: other room}. Well that {X} was a {X} room. Now we had a {X} with the {X}. Double chimney. You know I- I kinda {D: we kind of run} like a {X}. Now uh, how we live. If it- if it {X} live, when I was small we had double chimney. Stack chimney {D: though}. Interviewer: Right. 505: {X} {D: sat down} mm-hmm. And they uh, a shed room on uh- that's what the {X} you know they {X}. {D: They'd have to do a} {X} too. But we always have a- have a {X} fireplace. Interviewer: You mentioned a chimney. You- you know these big things that you see on some factories where the smoke comes out? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Now what do you call those? 505: They call them the stack- stacks- smoke stacks they tell me. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Talking about that fireplace, you know that open area right in front of it? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What do you call that? 505: The fireplace? That's where you put your wood. Interviewer: {D: That}- the area right in front of it? 505: Oh the hearth? Interviewer: #1 Right. # 505: #2 Ya # The hearth. Ya. The uh- The foyer run into the fire- uh- wa- i- is fireplace. That's the hearth there now. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Uh-huh. And sometime you have a mounting board for it. Interviewer: #1 Right. # 505: #2 {D: fireplace}. # Interviewer: Right. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And those things that you- that you put the 505: #1 Those uh- # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: Urns? Interviewer: What do you call those {D: the great}- the big things that you burn in the fireplace? You'd say 505: #1 {X}? # Interviewer: #2 you'd put on a- # 505: What you mean uh- is it uh- Interviewer: You know the wood the big round things you- so you put on your you're gonna put on a big what to burn? 505: Back stick? Interviewer: Back stick? 505: Ya. Big- big round block of wood but its {X}. That's the back stick and you should've {X} here. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Put your spit- put the stick wood on. Interviewer: Oh ya. 505: Keep it from being {X} and see that builds this up and then that, {X}. Interviewer: Oh ya. 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: {D: Now the} stack- {D: now the} kind of wood that you use to start it that's the... 505: Kindling. Interviewer: That's the kindling. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call that anything else? {NS} 505: No. I don't think I have. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Like just now} you can go out there and get a look, {X} {D: plank} I didn't take {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Well you see {X} if you could- if I {D: didn't have one of those} {X} you used to get {X} if you don't have no {X} Interviewer: #1 Ya. # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Right. 505: And so you start to burn this- won't be long before you got to you know. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: You know people {D: who like is enjoying} but they have nothing to do now when their {D: head gets} {X}? Is you paying attention to that? {D: I born in} {X} but honest to goodness if I had somebody to cut me wood, now I got a, did you see the chimney in my kitchen? Interviewer: I don't think I did. 505: It- it's a {X} built from the ground. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: You didn't see it? Interviewer: Mm-mm. 505: That's the only thing I had- I had all in this house. {NS}Here it is. {NS} {NS} {NS} Now that's built from the ground. Now that's- Interviewer: Oh ya. 505: Uh-huh. That's when it's built {X}. Now that um {D: the jack} {X} I can tell from the top of the bar because back when I was {D: got here}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 505: Now you have a {X} {D: here} and a- and a {X} in there too. Interviewer: Oh ya. 505: Ya. Interviewer: #1 Well that's- # 505: #2 Hmm. # Interviewer: that'll be- that- that'll be very useful. 505: And my sister been trying to get me to take that down. I tell her uh-uh. No I'm not neither. Interviewer: I wouldn't either. 505: Uh-uh. Now see {X} go out top of his building {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I say that {D: adds} stationary house {X}. Cause it's in the ground. Interviewer: Right. 505: Mm-hmm. It is built like that {X}. Interviewer: You were talking about kindling, {NS} when I was uh- I've been talking to you for- you know doing this interview, they'd call it light wood? Or lighter? You ever hear of that? 505: My husband would {X} call it {X}, {X} {D: shaving}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {X} stuff to call that lighter wood. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: There they call it shaved or {X}. 505: {NW} He- he- he- he didn't {X} {D: like I don't know him}. {NW} If it {D: don't do like he did last year}. Aux: {X}. 505: Yeah he {D: need you}. Aux: {X} 505: He stole {D: out of that gate} when I- I was uh- uh- now you heard that {D: he stole out} {X}. And uh- {D: we ran in- she went ran in} and he said well my {X} and I didn't need no shoes {D: either}. I been here I- I was here uh {D: stripping that furniture down and} Aux: #1 {Yeah.} # 505: #2 {D: yeah.} # And I looked around and he didn't got {X}. George is on the way? Aux: Uh-uh George was {X}. I ain't been {X}. {X}. {D: She ain't} {X} {D: eight, nine} {D: either way.} 505: Well maybe she won't have too much to do today. {NW} {NS} They had good luck {D: this year now didn't they?} {D: Bill}. Aux: Right. 505: Huh? Aux: I said I don't- uh- {X} 505: No. Aux: Mm-hmm. {D: What do you call those} {D: red maples?} 505: Well, if it ain't {D: one thing though it's a nothing} so just {D: have to be tight.} Y'all {D: ain't gonna still} night tonight? Aux: No I think {X} {D: Georgia} {X} {NS} Two, about two night. {NS} {D: You got money to eat}. {NS} {D: Then he got a thing with him} Friday night. 505: Yeah. How was {D: Reed} doing? Pretty good? Lucy called yesterday morning {D: Bill}. Aux: Hmm? 505: Lucy called yesterday morning. Aux: {D: Did}? 505: Ya she uh- she uh she done found out about her {X}, and I wonder how she find out that he told him. You know what {D: Liam} was speaking to us about? Aux: {X} 505: She called me yesterday morning- Aux: Ya. 505: Ya she called me yesterday morning, was telling me about it and, said she be up here and is gonna bring it, {D: and told us about them} {X}. I wonder how it is she knew it. Aux: I- I wasn't {X}. 505: I do too I wonder how it is she found out. He must've have told them. {NS} She said don't let him never have no more. I told them don't you think we should share with him like we do you? {NS} Aux: {X}. {NS} 505: She said {X} was doing fine. And uh they was um- gonna #1 {D: cook it.} # Aux: #2 {D: You know} # {X} was over there yelling uh {X}. 505: H- How she doing? Aux: {D: Getting fat.} 505: Yeah. Aux: Mm-hmm. {X} {NS} 505: Uh, {D: I knew you} they had just said the other day {D: you know when she's looking at you} {D: she go} {X} {D: wanna come up there and she's going.} They just gonna come up here and they'll bring, {X} with 'em. So Luc- Lucy may say she be up here and, she didn't say when but she says she gonna {X} cook some food {X} Over to the {X} house. Aux: Yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Well going {X} and you get ready. I know you #1 {D: got good} # Aux: #2 {X} # {X}. {D: I'm about that} {X} {D: last year}. 505: I know- I know {D: him}- Aux: {D: Saw them} at the house. {NS} 505: If y'all {D: go and heading} down to Memphis to the, field and {D: I- I know you} leave gonna leave kind of early {X}. {D: The weight could be somehow from} by six boy. Aux: I'm thinking, {D: may need to}, {X} what George {X} {D: He} he was gonna be right I think around eight o'clock. 505: {D: Yeah be back um}, uh {D: way be} by from six to seven I expect. Aux: {X}. 505: Well that'll be better on her. {NS} Uh whatever. {X} {D: gonna appreciate} she ain't even worried about it being {D: show}. Aux: #1 Mm-mm # 505: #2 That's # one good thing because #1 {D: uh}, # Aux: #2 Uh. # 505: i-it don't make sense. {NS} Aux: I went down {X} in uh uh last night I got them {X}. 505: Yeah yeah if you got um uh i-if you got {X} you got some new {X} you just keep your own cause I {X} got a good past and. Aux: I got- I got {D: a labeled sack.} 505: Yeah save me a sack. Cause I want something when those {D: chicken} that's what I want. I wanna {D: put my} chicken. Mix it with that wheat {X} chicken. You know when you hear {when I'm winging} my chicken? Aux: If I see them {X}. 505: Yeah so that, their- their {X} and they {D: they get it} {X} by herself and then she go ahead and {D: lay and} come back out and sometimes you go with them sometimes you don't. I say {X}. {NW} Aux: You always let me {X} think I was a {D: mean} {X}. 505: Yeah she going back to {D: lay.} She come off the roof {X} and I said {D: look here} this thing going to {D: Maine}. Did you know the other night {D: our friends- all our friends} {D: admitted} they had, and they {D: larger than my chicken} {D: and all of them got drowned}? Aux: {D: How'd they drown man?} 505: Yeah I wonder what kind of {X} they have on the {D: brooding.} All of the chicken she told me yesterday, got {D: drowned and} I was coming was talking to her, She said well I say I ain't got more chicks. I said what happened? She said on the night when that big storm come said all of my chicks got drowned. And I said no {X}. I said well it better been chicken then us. She said yeah. {NW} That's right, I {D: said it} better been the chicken than us. She said yeah. {NS} I said I hate it but I was {D: saying} {NS} I know you. {NS} You done {X} Aux: Blow the top off the {D: brooder.} 505: {NS} Uh even {D: the uh} I think we got a {X} when it rain. I don't know what happened Bill. Aux: Uh is- is it large as your {D: chicks}? 505: They're larger than mine. Some of the chickens {X} {X} not to eat them when he get their {D: size} but I {D: remember he likes small} chicken like that. So I- I- I guess {NS} I guess that um, {NS} that we were talking bad or something. {NS} That's somebody out there. Aux: Mm-hmm. 505: In the truck. {NW} {D: That's that} {X} {NW} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {NW} Yeah {D: I see that.} Interviewer: {D: Is that Bill?} 505: {D: Yeah that's Bill}. That's the oldest one. Interviewer: How many of- how many of y'all? 505: {D: In the} three of us now. Interviewer: Three. There were how many? 505: Four? Interviewer: Four. 505: Mm-hmm. My {X} got a lots of sister and brothers. {NS} You know died when they was small. Interviewer: Oh yeah? 505: Uh-huh. Uh it ain't {D: about} it ain't a {X} before my sister died you know I told you yesterday at seventy? She stayed at {X} Bill stayed {X} Bill used to stay over in the house over there. {D: So uh} {D: So I at least stayed at- at her home place}. Aux: {X} 505: #1 And so # Aux: #2 {X} # {X} 505: #1 Ain't but # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: {D: ain't but three are sleeping now}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Mm-hmm. Two brothers and one sister. {NS} Yeah. If you had been here yesterday {X} get you another taste. {NW} He loved to talk. Interviewer: #1 Mm. # 505: #2 A-and- # Mm-hmm. Yeah he love to talk. Now {D: that's the}- Who you said sent you to here? Interviewer: Uh, well Mr. {B} sent me to Bill, 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: and Bill told me to go down to see if they could find Buford. 505: Uh-huh. And then Bill- and then Bill came {X} {NW} {X} no. {X} Yeah {D: but}, {D: something}, {D: son at the Savannah} {D: he got to tell other people.} His name is beautiful {X}. All got nickname. Bill's name is {D: Nathan} we call him, they {X} and we call him, Bill and call him {X}. Sometime we call him Tim. Used to be {X}. Used to go around, drive around my {D: leg and} and uh we told the son he was just like the {D: old man}. We used to- we used to call him Tim all the time. Mama made it {D: pretty}. {NW} So uh- she knew that {D: you cover the sun} cause he was. {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: Mm-hmm. Yeah you {X} You don't wanna {D: tell you this} {D: so you can't-can't take-can't take the sun.} Uh- you break out like that. Interviewer: Oh yeah? 505: Uh-huh. Aux: {X}. 505: The doctor says something you {X} on the farm {D: But I just} I don't, really believe it because he wasn't like that before he {X} because {X} Yeah they went down and come back that's when it started. {X} And he {D: we ain't never did nothing} {D: good} for him #1 and I mean he # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 505: he {D: build} he-and he did everything and cut wood and cut logs and everything. {D: Now ain't never known to break out and} Interviewer: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: {X} and he picked up 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: Cause he work hard uh I think that yeah he went down and {X}. He and Bill go. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I think he went in- {D: in the sun then}. {D: September October one of 'em) Something like that {D: sound when they've been in a} cold building {D: and} and the {X} and one with the two brothers on the farm. Why did I have her stop? She needs to {D: pull the} {X}. All the men people on the farm. My brother in law {D: stayed in bed} then I said well, they would {D: too}. They say they about to go get on {X} #1 they don't have to go see their brother. # Interviewer: #2 Uh yeah. # 505: {X} That's the day my {D: bo}- all- all three of my brothers. {X} Yeah. Mm-hmm. {D: They did} {X} Aux: Yes. {NS} 505: Come in. {NS} Aux: Hey. Fine how you doing? And I see you doing alright alright. My name's {D: Marvin} {B} {D: Quigley.} Glad to meet you. 505: {D: Come on in and get you a chair.} He was looking for you yesterday and I said man I tell you looking for you #1 yesterday. # Aux: #2 {NW} # 505: Yeah. People who make a regular uh {D: family.} Interviewer: {X} 505: And he uh- and he uh- he would call and what we said {D: right now. Can't get it back}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Yeah he got to a car door now. I come get you to my {D: door}. Told them they're {X}. You know what I do? {NW} I said you need to help my brother. I said that's the one where you {D: talking to me}. {NW} {D: He's everybody different.} My mother's side of people, papa's side of people in different schools and {D: thing around}. And so now you she couldn't {X} I mean help me out of my drawers and {X}. {NW} {D: Maybe}. He's actually by my grandfather. {X} {D: I told mother}. My grandmother {D: lose my} {X} in Tipton County but I did know about my grandad. He was born in {D: August some morning.} Aux: {NS} No he came from Virginia. 505: Virginia? Aux: Yes. 505: Well I know {D: I done saw him in} Virginia {X} but I know grandmother was born in Tennessee. She say. And uh, I told you that I didn't tell you. Aux: I {X} Yeah I done forgot there's {D: a lot} {X}. {NW} {D: Got ever they need} well um {D: remember things} what they used to be. Interviewer: Yeah right. Aux: {NW} 505: Now he- now he can remember my grandmother on my mother's side. Interviewer: Did I ask you about her yesterday? 505: Mm-hmm. You asked me about my- my mother {X} I told you I have a- my grandmother was uh- on my mother's side was the {D: Indian}. Interviewer: #1 {D: Oh yeah} # 505: #2 Part Indian. # Interviewer: right. 505: I- you remember me telling you that? Now he- now he remember but I {D: I- I} I ain't never- #1 I wasn't even born. # Aux: #2 Yeah she # she died before you was born. {D: Her name was Maggie.} 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {D: Maggie} # {B} 505: Uh-huh. Now see you remember- now you can go back there and {X}. What was uh, grandmother's uh, father name? Brother named {D: Deke was he named Deke?} Aux: {D: Nah uh} {D: Deke was a} he was uh, {D: that was on uh} daddy's side. 505: That's what I said, I said what was grandmother's uh, brother name? {D: Wasn't it} {D: Deke?} Aux: Yeah {D: Deke was} 505: #1 Uh-huh. # Aux: #2 {D: his name.} # 505: #1 I'll tell you that uh- # Aux: #2 {X} # {X} came. Was li- #1 little # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #1 {X}. # 505: #2 # Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} Old man. Grandmother's uh, father was named {X}. 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: And then did his {D: uh} son, {D: call him Luke} {X}. 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: And uh when he sees, that that was her brother 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: John} {X} 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} is her brother. 505: And then {D: kids is- was the} {X} that I know don't {X}. Aux: Oh {D: Aunt Lou.} 505: Oh I forgot {D: Aunt Lou.} Aux: {D: And she's}- 505: Yeah she {D: that she need you} {X}. I told you he can remember everything. {NW} Yeah {D: Aunt Lou.} Yes uh. What will {X} {D: tell the whole thing} {X} Well that's {D: just uh}, her sister's child. Aux: Yeah. {NS} 505: Well I had a {X} {D: Aunt Lou} {X} And then {X} those two I know on our grandmother's side {D: and her sister.} And uh, did you know your mother's {D: sister}? {NS} Aux: {D: Know who?} 505: Do you know {D: any more of mom's sisters}? Aux: No. {D: I just}- {D: and I} {X}. 505: Yeah I know that #1 {D: I mean that side of him.} # Aux: #2 {X} # {D: I know her} sister {X} {D: know anything about it.} 505: {D: The rest of them} #1 was dead before you couldn't ever remember. # Aux: #2 Yeah. # 505: {NS} I was telling that {X} used to be a large family of our people {X}. {NS} {D: Plenty of} cousin {D: and thing} now that all of the brothers on my daddy's side is dead. {NS} On the mother side too. Aux: Whole family #1 {D: of uh} # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: {X} {D: dead}. 505: My grandmother nearly get eighty-five. Aux: {X} You was the baby. 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: You stopped} {NS} {X} {D: and} {D: Dad} {X} {D: Doris.} 505: Over there was my daddy's brother. {NS} Interviewer: Is that right? Aux: #1 Yes. # 505: #2 Yes. # {NS} It was a big {D: family} {X} Aux: Your mother {D: or your} sister tell me {D: of my} {X} and uh, {D: Cassie}. And uh {D: and uh}- 505: {D: And visit?} Aux: {D: Visit}. 505: Mm-hmm. {NS} Aux: We grew up {D: with I never did know} uh {D: Cassie} {D: she died} {NS} before I was born but my uh other {D: two aunties} {X} on {D: daddy's} side, I've know about them. 505: I was telling him about um, all of the {D: thick settlement} that used to be around here. I didn't tell him yesterday {D: about right about} how that was a {D: gin} store. And everything {D: right there} and all ar- all around here {D: were these houses all out there} on this side already. But just {D: thick settlement.} It used to be that most of the {X} {X} Interviewer: Was the settlement called anything in particular 505: #1 No just # Interviewer: #2 or? # 505: {D: A little good ol' settlement.} Interviewer: {X} 505: Uh-huh. And um, {NS} {D: and I-} {D: and I got to hear about} the school {D: and the hall was there now}. And uh o- oh Lord the school barely have a {D: just a green lawn}, school {it didn't have no} {X} different {D: grades will separate you} {X} on the desk it's a desk with a different side. But uh two teachers teach {D: fifth}, an they had a hallway. {NS} The church was also larger then it is now before the storm wrecked it. When it tore it down. Yeah this uh, this used to be a real {D: thick settlement.} Houses all back behind them was it used to be thicker {D: than the houses all back round there.} There was roads to go into 'em you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Yeah. {D: And here was} on all through here, {D: by color} from one black person {X} {D: the smith, I told you right there}. Aux: {X} {D: to the right that is} across the road, his daddy and {X} {D: woulda put them} {D: John would} {X} and Johnny and he on, {D: the place} {D: Daniel on the gin.} Cotton gin that saw mill and {D: grist mill} all combined now together. Your father and two son. {X} They used to {D: own} back up {X} {D: Cotton Lake there}. 505: {D: Know who} they had it {D: delivered to}? Aux: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: No one} {D: been working on down there} and now this a {D: jumped up}. A sc- a sc- {X}- Aux: {X} down that is {X} Miss uh, Martha {D: Maydol} {D: is in possession now of that} {X} and about three hundred and sixty acres was in the farm {D: back then.} {D: On}, someone who {D: died out} and, moved out. {D: But all the} children {D: left in the end.} After their father and mother passed, {NS} {D: and they} their {D: chicks locked out of} {X}. That {X} they give their {D: chick's lodge} to Bill. {X} Oh, {D: it's on the uh} {NS} um {D: cornerstone} that they had to take, about the {X} and, the uh. William- well he William he was the uh, authorizer of the uh {D: bill that} {X}. Before he {D: started it having}, had {X} that is have a {D: series on there} that's {D: some bush hauling.} Then they build the little old {D: frame} {X} and, then it {D: mainly gun barrels.} 505: I told you that yester- Aux: #1 {D: It wasn't me.} # 505: #2 day. # Aux: {X} {NS} you know {D: all the night they check out the local deals} they locked out of them to build a {D: church} that, can {X} the the {D: Wiliford's Willow Road} {D: Baptist church}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: So this, feeling sick of these {X}. {D: I almost} this {D: November} now he is {D: it's all in a} cornerstone what year {D: the church} was. You know built but it's been rebuilt since that time is still going the same {D: name it was.} All the {D: trustees} and, all those other {D: church} {D: and old man resemble.} The cornerstone. Er uh er uh I remember {D: Zeke} {B} he was uh, the leader of the congregation at that time. Interviewer: Is that when it was first organized? Aux: Yes {D: sir}. And he started from the {D: bush hauling.} His granddaughter, {X} {D: mad} that uh, I mean daughter smallest daughter. Her mother was, you know a member of the church and her daddy, her granddaddy rather was the one that I said {D: about was authorized uh} {D: to be in the church}. Interviewer: Did you have as many big fields back then when you had a lot of people living around here? 505: Mm-hmm. It just be sometime the small thicket sometimes you know. None other {D: place left} and, but they didn't clean up so much {D: like they did} now. All back down there. Back from here back behind them woods back there. Now this {X} last year. Now if you just could see just a short time he {X} {D: you and I.} {X} They ran their last, sometime last summer {D: wasn't it?} Aux: Mm yeah {D: it was gonna be} last summer {X} 505: They had {X} Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: do and then cook the, {X} that was large enough, you know for so long. And {X} he's just taking {X} and, pushed it up and, wind it up and, and I see wood cut, and haul wood out of there and, then when it got {D: cool}, getting all the. {X} {NW} {X} Bring that stuff up and went {D: roll and sit at the fire.} {D: Light it} up and, and went in and broke it up. {X} I think about {D: forty hundred} {X} 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 around there. # 505: It's just about, it just about a {X} from here to the {X}. And wide. Aux: Yeah that was uh the {D: ship and} {X} and, and they sold it to, uh, the boy by the name of {X}. These boys and, cut the timber off it. {X} it up {D: and then uh} they sold it- I don't know who did {X} boys from them, after they {D: cleared it up with} the {X} {D: in a larger} county that is. 505: Mr. {B} Aux: {X} {D: on it}. 505: Mr. {B} was his name. {NW} {NS} I wouldn't have known his name but he stopped here one day he had trouble with his truck and um, come to door and knock now {X} door he says {D: cause it was raining and I said good night.} He says uh, I'm having trouble. {D: Shouldn't I}- I don't know if you- do you have a phone? I said yes I do. He said you mind me calling, to {D: repair} and I pay you for the {D: call ring} that I can call {D: connect home}. I said well come on in. You're waiting {X} be all right. So he come on in and then I, connect him to the operator- {D: the operator to see about that number}. {NS} He called one in a few minutes the truck was here. {D: He said essentially} they cut him out and one day he's in a car and I was, he's kinda look like I didn't know him. In the truck he said hi. I says fine how are you? {NS} He said uh, you don't know me do you? {NS} {NS} {NS} And I said no maybe I do. And that day I {D: hadn't} see him {D: he once} and he was walking {X} you know. He said uh, this is Mr. {B} {X}. He said I am {X} and he said I want you doing {X}. I said thank you. {NW} And so he- he said yes I don't go {X} I got {X} cold creek when you wanna go there fishing say you see my name up right next to {D: door, fishing} {X} thank you. He said well I'll be seeing you, you go along. #1 {D: This ain't} # Interviewer: #2 How # how nice {D: to say that?} 505: Yeah. Aux: {X} used to be a large uh, {X} not much colored people in {D: your large sermon} but, years later um- back then the {D: pushes} from then on up {X} uh, these people coming {D: to scatter them out and}, the uh, big {X}{C: car in background} {D: Five or eight men with} tractors. Well to begin with this {D: for all we knew.} Got my {X}, if you make the ship proper you {X} brought his own {D: team and} you is {D: ranching} and, you would {X} to get out of the stock. You would feed your stock and, fly your {D: news} and make 'em miss a crop. But after uh, {D: need} uh large rivers and, lawns and things coming and peoples buying tractors and, starts farming. With tractors why your {D: dog eat with the mules and wolves are the} {X} they- they was {X} and also the sharecropper. The one man now {D: on}- uh, I don't say {D: on} but he's {D: offering}, three and four thousand acres of land and, you know that uh will be territory. Yes but, so many people {D: are at work} and, cause them {D: they leave here} {D: go other places to find} jobs uh. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: And this}, same thing you {X} would be. And I don't think that one man own two or three thousand acres of land. But, he did uh, old time uh {D: pushing that} old time, uh, life I liked it better and it was the {X} it up for a while you know you got more {D: margin} for your labor. But, back there, we were living a lot better then we is now to a certain extent. Cause you'd own a farm and you could raise what food and stuff that you had to have. Cows, hogs and all the chicken everything like that. He was raising the, what {X} stuff {D: didn't eat it}. But now the peoples on the farm but they ain't a big farm and, well uh, he just felt like {D: man he lived in town.} Good thing he get to {D: got go buy what he}, {D: raised} nice beans and cotton. Some of them livestock {D: with}, locked up and going take time to, {D: move} the live stock {X}. Beans and cotton and, when the governor {D: of}, {X} on this cotton, and made me {C: rooster crowing} {D: pay him no} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {C: rooster crowing} That's what, done away with a lot of the farmers. They use {D: um}, {X} I'm make the share crop with you but {D: fools}. You let me {X} that sacred land that you {C: rooster crowing} {X}{C: rooster crowing} I had to wait for years {D: while} so I'm gonna either move, and that's what a lot of people {D: ought to} place to stay. And then, {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} you wanna make it {D: in as much time} {X} you wanna work as many acres as you can work now but, {D: I helped} worked in a big {D: sum of} land and then at the end, you ain't- {C: rooster crowing} I don't know {C: rooster crowing} {D: but the end come} well that didn't profit you much. {NS} Ya. 505: {NW} Aux: And they was {D: around} six {X} {D: pull out} fifty cents {X} up a dollar depending upon what type of labor you doing. A day {C: rooster crowing} and that was a {C: rooster crowing} {D: small sum} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {C: rooster crowing} Just, {D: tough} what you had to get, was down on a {D: mill which} you know you {D: buy it.} I know back in, {X} {D: and uh}, {NS} but then who was {D: day}? {NS} You could buy a- a {X} sack of flower or- {C: rooster crowing} {NS} That is when you {C: rooster crowing} {D: can the day}, {NS} for thirty-five cents. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: And that same type of flower today'll cost you five dollars or something.{C: rooster crowing} Now that'll, {D: that'll let you know about how much uh} they're different in their old {D: uh price} and your {D: present} price. {NS} {D: Box of matches} {C: rooster crowing} and get it for five cents a box and that box already cost you about thirty-five forty cents a box {D: now}. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: Maybe the box is smaller but, it goes there about {D: their} {X} but, it's not as, all of them old matches back then one uh one box to make {D: two of the} {D: sized boxes you got now}. Interviewer: Talking about these big kitchen matches? Aux: That's right. We call them nickel boxes {D: back is.} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} 505: It's a lot {D: to give their} Aux: #1 Aw ya. # 505: #2 {D: size}. # Aux: {NS} {NS} It was {NS} so much {D: change}, {NS} {D: and I'll tell you} some of this change in the new life I like it better and some I did not. {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} now? Used to be very larger than that. Interviewer: Is that right? Aux: Aw ya. {C: multiple speaking at one time} {X} box of matches uh make two of that {C: rooster crowing} {X}. Interviewer: Hm. 505: And cost just a nickel. And sugar {C: rooster crowing} you could get it. They used to buy it loose. Oh you could get, twenty-five cents worth of sugar. {X} {C: rooster crowing} Ten-pound bag you get now. {D: You get about twenty-five cents} {D: worth of sugar}. Interviewer: {X} {C: multiple people} 505: Mm-hm- Aux: Back then the {D: prices} you can buy a whole {D: pound} of flour for three dollars. And you can't buy a sack of flour for that price #1 now. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Uh what was coffee back then? {C: rooster crowing} You know that's so high now. { C: rooster crowing} Aux: About ten cents a pound #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: How do you do} ten cents a pound. Aux: {D: Uh ten} to fifteen #1 {D: no value's worth anywhere over fifteen cents a pound}. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Well what is it now? Is it still up around four dollars? Aux: #1 That's right. # 505: #2 Uh-huh. # Aux: And now we're {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: the end of the uh} {D: season and it was uh} he was paying five dollars a pound for it. 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} cause I'm. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} You like coffee? Interviewer: I don't drink it. 505: Mm. Mm good. Aux: And uh- 505: You {D: had a bit then.} Interviewer: {NW} Aux: You think uh, you {D: people all} uh they had their chicken {D: and all they- they had} {D: plenty} eggs. {D: The eggs}- more eggs {C: rooster crowing} than the. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} You get 'em to the store and, they give you, ten cents a dozen for 'em. And uh, I think it's, twelve, twelve or fifteen cents and three {D: give you} three {D: dollars for you.} {D: Now you've got} {C: rooster crowing} fifteen cents {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} ten cents a dozen is what you'd get {D: for your egg}. That's why I {D: test} uh, a lots of this uh, you know, you, woulda done that in the {X} {D: I'd go along with it} and if some 505: #1 {D: I think somebody} # Aux: #2 -body. # 505: need a {D: favor.} Aux: I don't- {C: rooster crowing} I don't {C: rooster crowing} {D: see a way}. {C: rooster crowing} 505: {X} Aux: Yeah. 505: Mm. Aux: It ain't the amount that uh, you make but charge amount that you can save. The uh, like if {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: you'll}, {D: you'll walk down} and make, ten or fifteen dollars a day and, you go to store, to buy- {X} {C: telephone ringing} {X} {C: telephone ringing} when you got it- {X} {X} {C: phone ringing} Interviewer: #1 Yeah I see people going # Aux: #2 I know. # Interviewer: #1 to the grocery store at home and, # Aux: #2 Hey. # Interviewer: pay something like #1 fifty or sixty # Aux: #2 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: dollars and I can tell you that {D: um}, one bag of Aux: #1 Sure. # Interviewer: #2 sugar. # 505: Telephone. Aux: Yeah yeah. {X} about fifteen or twenty dollars going to the store {D: you had to have} to have you {D: a wedding or something}, 505: #1 That's- that's- that's Bill. # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: Yeah. Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} 505: Uh-huh.{C: rooster crowing} Man it makes it different in times then when it used to be. I can tell you #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: They would uh, {D: I can wear it anywhere.} Now I go if I don't get me uh, Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 she told me that uh # 505: #2 {X} # {D: Three hundred and something right there.} Aux: Uh, the {X} is uh, good with going Interviewer: #1 Did you # Aux: #2 and just you # Interviewer: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {D: you know and uh} # Interviewer: #1 {D: long back then.} # Aux: #2 {D: Saturday.} # Interviewer: {X} you know what those days- Aux: #1 and I don't- # Aux: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 She said she did- she is alright. She is. # Aux: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {D: Is that right?} # Aux: #1 He said she went, # Aux: #2 That's right. # Aux: #1 you can take us on and if you # Aux: #2 {X} # {X} 505: #1 if she is # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 uh you know # 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: Can you tell her to come share with her? {D: That's my} {C: rooster crowing} p-people do that now. {C: rooster crowing} If you ca- if you didn't {X} over here {D: house}. {D: Of nothing they got to} {C: rooster crowing} {X} you make her take a {X} to you. Aux: But George over here said he used to {D: to-} uh, 505: And uh, Aux: said {X} she still, #1 you know whe- when we were # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: six there was} #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # and even my daddy taking care of them {D: children.} When he died he- {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # -these children up here {D: in the} {X} and come up there to meet them. He go to store and then. {X} Aux: Not a lot of power when I go back to house. #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: mind what you see}. 505: Said uh- Aux: He said if she was feeling alright #1 {D: she would.} # 505: #2 {X} # But then give him over to. {D: Don't give them a whole can} uh but you- Aux: #1 Now I, # 505: #2 {X} # {X} Aux: call and let her know when I go back to the house. 505: And that's where people live in. {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} everything you get from each other {X} most {D: out the back.} {NS} And back in them days it's just like if you got sick or something, or something happens to you- to your family, and that gift {D: in your family} {D: that they didn't work} {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: If it's near me it's close around I mean in the community. They didn't {X} They go there and {D: sit and drink with you} and share with you. And now you can't hardly get {D: people to} {X} when they're dead {D: they help cover you up}. Interviewer: So you just don't think the people are close as they used- 505: I know they're not. Aux: Yeah I know, not by a long shot. 505: Yeah. Aux: Everybody now look like {D: it's} trying to live for themselves and forget about, their neighbors and what not. Yeah I know, I was born and raised right {D: across the one} living there now. And uh, you didn't have to be sick, you- you just, you were farming and you got behind your crop, and other people {D: was up}, they would go in there and clean your crop out. Chop it and plow it at no cost they just, {X} them, {D: duty towards} each other. {D: They didn't have those} {X}. And they didn't. {D: neighbored around through} communities. Get behind the crop and {X} and, clean that crop out and {D: rise up} {C: rooster crowing} No charges. Interviewer: You know that makes things a lot easier {D: in our days} if people would just, do that. 505: #1 That's right. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: Ya I- I {X} uh old man {X} he rode in this neighborhood down around. {X} And uh, {D: his barn got burnt up} {D: down there and} {D: right about} {D a mile} from here. And {D: wind up} {C: rooster crowing} {X} and, corn and all this farming equipment. So in my day they ate a lot of, extra flour too and old, {C: rooster crowing} {X} {X} and bought a new one. And they, {C: rooster crowing} give that uh, {X} give that {D: old man flour} enough to, make his crops while he didn't have to buy no flour. They'd had {X} corn. He'd take that wagon and come up there and load that wagon up with corn to {C: rooster crowing} help make his crop {D: long}. Cotton seeds and all {D: like that.} And {D: goes around.} This fall if you make a good crop why you get {X} corn {D: back that I} {X} plus what they give him. They would give him some {X} and then {C: rooster crowing} if he had plenty corn, he would come out and let him have what corn could finish his crop. And you just like we- we were kids, you got behind, you say you {D: go} {X}, {D: y'all are} {D: chop} cotton over there, pick cotton over there. {C: rooster crowing} While you was over there in {D: south} {X} you didn't know nothing about whether it he was a {X} {D: you didn't know about}. {X} going chopping and, {D: if there's any pay to} come uh, do, we be the one collect the pay. Interviewer: Oh ya. Aux: {D: You'd went out} and did the job. So it is so much different, so much different. 505: But that {D: ain't have to} happen now do you think children wouldn't like it? Aux: Uh-uh. Interviewer: #1 Why's that? # 505: #2 You be # children today but you be {X} today? {NS} Interviewer: I think if they were raised with that- Aux: #1 {D: That's that's right.} # Interviewer: #2 idea. # Aux: That's right. {D: Now the} thing about it why, children are. {C: rooster crowing} It's going to, {X} that- that- {D: president} {D: did pass} have uh, {D: failed} to put this {X} on the children {NS} or {D: train them} {D: as we were.} Now back then, {NS} if I did {D: coming on}. {NS} {D: You just been} in a neighborhood and uh, {NS} and all those folk was leaving and going someplace, {NS} and {D: even that} you sh- your next closest neighbor around around and he was, watching over you just like your mother and father was. If you kids got out {X} you'd- you got that. {X} If any of them old {D: peas} {X} like, just like your mother and father would. And if there's {D: mess there} they would whoop you like they would. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: When they'd call me {X} and you were gonna get another one. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And, {D: of course} there never been more peoples {D: see you did.} Don't you {X} say you didn't do it. And they'd find me every time {D: you would drag it up}. Interviewer: {NW} Aux: And {C: rooster crowing} {D: yikes}. {X} Interviewer: Yep. Aux: If people was under that same rule now. Uh the {D: general} {X} and reform school wouldn't be full of young people like {D: here}. Interviewer: Yeah I know. Aux: That's right. But what's never- you fail to train your child and at home grew up, saying and doing just about what he want to uh you know, when he come he gonna {C: rooster crowing} {D: remain a} {X}. He- he got no fear. Who's he got to fear? But, I was {X} but he didn't have to be the old persons any young person when I was a kid growing up, if he told me to do something, I did it because I thought it was right to do it you know that I was {D: I mean you had the mind the older people just} like that. You couldn't catch a young kid {D: saying now not a kid} do you nothing wrong will cuss you out and tell you something you ain't heard before. {NW} {X}{C: rooster crowing extremely loudly} but {D: And their parents it's like being in.} {X} Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # Aux: #2 It's like yes # or no to their mother and father {D: is his.} {X} {NS} {X} 505: One thing they teaching that in a school and uh- Aux: Thirty- thirty years old and, I was just a {X} getting my dad and mother a- a {C: rooster crowing} {D: back wood a sharp wood} as I was when I was three year old. I think, after me and my wife married my daddy's health was bad {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} the house. {D: Me and} my mother for three years before me and my wife moved out. But what's {D: never he said do} I was taking care of the farm and you disable. {X} {C: rooster crowing} -but what's never he said he want it done. Well I liked {D: to know} I went on and did because that was his orders. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And I think that's, the way it should be now. {D: You a} kid now and {D: get up here} ten twelve years old talking about you can't do nothing {D: with you}. My dad told me he says, when you get grown enough why you can't do what I {D: uh}, tell you to do. Said I had to go to {X} Said you better hit it. Interviewer: That straightened him out pretty quick. Aux: That's right. {NW} I said uh he says I don't care how you did it. {C: rooster crowing} {D: All you} {C: rooster crowing} {D: kick down the roof} that I'm {D: uh ruin all those}, you gonna do what I said do. Interviewer: You mentioned your wife, how old is she now? Aux: My wife is uh, sixty-seven. Interviewer: Was she born in this same area? Aux: Yeah uh y-yeah {D: up the uh}, {X}. I believe she was born in {X} County. Interviewer: In where? Aux: In {X} County. {NS} And I think she born in {X} County and the, uh, mother moved her here, small kid but, she moved a lot of county over the year. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Y'all both go to the same church? Aux: That's right. Interviewer: That Baptist church right there? {C: rooster crowing} {NS} Aux: {X} Baptist Church. Interviewer: So you say her people came from {X} county? Aux: Yes sir. Interviewer: Can she take- can she take them any further back than that? Maybe where her parent- her grandparents or, some of her ancestors were #1 {X} # Aux: #2 No I couldn't # now because the, the {NW} {C: rooster crowing} {X} when they moved over here, they li- they {X} uh, move in uh, what we call up in an {X} which is about three miles from here. {NS} And uh, {NS} we were living down here and, I didn't come to know her until, nineteen nineteen nineteen I think. Well we we move here up in that neighborhood where they was, that's when we got {D: acquainted with}. I do know they come from {X} county the whole year. I didn't know uh any her ancestors, others. She had uh uncles, which was her mother's brother-in-law. He just {D: Charlie Thomas.} He, he come from {X} county also. And her, father was {D: Charlie Thomas's} brother. They all was no move from {X} county over the year. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And how old are you right now? Aux: Seventy-two. Interviewer: Seventy-two. Y'all {D: with} that farmer? Aux: That's right. Interviewer: You're not- are you the oldest of the, children? Aux: Yes {X} I got a, sister, {D: who had} passed then seventy she was, older than I was. Two years older than I was. {D: Mary.} She was married to, John {B}. Interviewer: I see. Let me let me ask uh, uh, {D: Buford} about a few things I asked you about #1 yesterday when we- # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: we were talking about, uh, the house, and things in the house and all like that. What would you call, uh the best room in the house? That you might use for company and, for something like that Aux: Uh, which would I call the best room? {X} west room. {X} west room. 505: But when {X}{C: rooster crowing} if you had a den, um, a living room, uh what did we say that {D: that was}? Interviewer: A living room or a parlor 505: #1 A parlor # Interviewer: #2 or something like that. # 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: Yeah. That would be {X} parlor {D: the west room.} Interviewer: Mm. Aux: but we lived in this room and, {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: side room there.} Two room, the kitchen, and the little side room. {D: In fact} it was a back porch and we just boxed it in. Interviewer: Oh yeah. About how- about how big are your rooms? Aux: Mine is uh, sixteen by fourteen with a ha- a six foot hall between the two rooms then the kitchen sit, on the back. {D: So} the uh, east room. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. About how tall were the ceilings? Aux: {D: Divided by} eight foot {D: wall}, uh. Interviewer: What do you c- what do you call that thing on the top of the house you know that smoke comes out of? Aux: Chimney and, uh, chimney on one end and the flue on the other one. The flue {D: it is} {D: he said} {X} about {D: seven in the} house the flue go from the north, look {D: through the} top. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: But the chimney is built from the ground on up you know. Interviewer: You- you probably s- uh still see some houses with these stoves you know you use for heat? Aux: That's right. Interviewer: Do you what do you call the- that pipe that goes from the stove up, you know to the? Aux: That's the stove pipe. Interviewer: That's the stove pipe. Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {D: Is that uh} on some houses the flue's outside? Aux: #1 That's right. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: We have seen them- others uh, {X} how they uh, they don't require you to build, those what we call {D: a swaying} flue. You get up in your log cut a hole about like that {X} and light I don't see why the light but {D: you look close to the wall you won't.} But he cut a hole down he got {D: stakes}, that {D: they build} along that, {X} ain't going out through the {D: log}. But then now that, if you gonna build a flue, it's supposed to be built from around, on up just like the chimney is. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: Said it's, it's, {D: danger} {X} fire getting in the log, go up there in from the pipe and, cause you know, fire and, but if it goes up from the ground and this pipe go into the brick wall, and then there's no {D: danger} that the uh, cements that fall out between those bricks and {X}, {D: spot} could get into the {D: log}. Interviewer: Mm. And talking about chimneys, what do y- what do you call that great big tall thing that you see at factories or plants that the smoke comes out #1 of? {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 That's smoke stack.{C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: That's smoke stack. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: dog howling} we call it {X}{C: dog howling} and you know what {D: same person}. 505: Yeah you {X} {D: and then come on} {X} {X}{C: dog barking} Aux: {X} {C: dog barking} 505: {NW} Interviewer: We were talking about, having a fireplace in the house yesterday. Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: What do you call that open area right in front of the fireplace? Aux: {D: The uh- the uh- the uh fire department,} is uh- is right here. You've got a, you have a little {D: mounting board up there and}, {X} {D: so high that}- why you, put your wood in and you {D: heat it}, {X} fire. Interviewer: What what do y- what do you call those big chunks of wood that you put in your fireplace? Aux: Back log. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And what about the wood that you use to start it you know the #1 {D: burn wood?} # Interviewer: #2 Well that's just # Aux: {D: uh}- your smaller wood #1 {D: would be.} # 505: #2 {X} # {X} Aux: It's like you got there and cut down a big tree {X} like that and a {D: larger} according to the what size, you know, fireplace you have. Put them {D: on that an- that-} {D: to hold your} heat, {D: throw your heat out}. Put that big log right there and then, {C: background noise} add your small wood to it and, {C: background noise} {NS} {D: have you a fire} {X} {C: background noise} Sit back and {C: background noise} relax. {C: background noise} {NW} Interviewer: Is that small wood the same thing as kindling? Aux: Yeah oh {D: I was} kindling and uh just like you're {D: limbs on the} tree and then {X} {D: your big wood you would}, you know {X} it up into small {X} {C: rooster crowing} You add it to that back log you call. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: That back log {D: gets} {X} {D: say uh} we're burning some of my small wood. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: I make {D: put on} back log that, {X} {D: today} and, you had to have mighty cold weather where you was {D: last} {X} just about all day. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: But, {C: rooster crowing} in that small wood brought out why you just {D: continue to} add the small wood onto that back log. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Maybe about, late this evening getting ready for night. That back log probably done burn enough, you pull it to the front and put another one on back there. {X} {D: saving your} smaller wood. Interviewer: Well what about those things that you lay the wood across in your fireplace? Aux: Dog irons. Interviewer: Dog irons. Aux: Mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: And when the- when the wood burns down, what's that stuff that's left? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Those are the ashes.{C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: What color are those usually? Aux: Uh, {D: tire} gray. Gray ashes. Uh that- {X} just like, you would uh, {NS} cut down a tree or something. {D: burn up that and} know when the, all the coals {X} {C: dog barking} you just gotta be a {X} {C: dog barking} {NW} {C: dog barking} {NS} Interviewer: And what about that black stuff you know that'll form on the {C: dog barking} #1 {D: inside?} # Aux: #2 And that's # soot. That's uh smoke {D: settling} on the chimney on the uh, pipe, {D: you on}, that uh, you know from the {D: film} where the wood was sitting on the, inside of that pipe. I uh, {D: through the} chimney. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well tell me- tell me about some of the things uh, that you'd have in the best room in your house. You know that people sit in and, things like that. Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} there'd be couches and {C: rooster crowing} {X} and, these big {D: foam} rockers and, {X} like that. TVs. 505: {X} Interviewer: What's that? 505: {X} set. Interviewer: What is that? 505: That's a set that goes in this corner {X} just, really just some- some of them big enough- just big enough for two to sit on. {X} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {D: Right.} Interviewer: Have y'all ever heard people call {C: dog barking} uh, {C: dog barking} couches anything else {C: dog barking} besides just couches? Aux: {NS} Yeah I {X}{C: dog barking} right now. 505: #1 {X} {C: dog barking} # Aux: #2 {X} {C: dog barking} # 505: {NS}{C: dog barking} Some of them call them {D: devonettes} and uh, some of them call them couches now. Just like uh, that couch I {D: got over there}, it's just a {D: hideaway bed}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: The mattress maybe thirty meter on {D: two of them} and all you got to do is unfold it then you take the pillows off. And on the floor {X} see that mattress is made onto a {D: bed}. And then they- they call them hideaway beds. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Uh yes and you is} just like a couch because you got you can fold it up. And it's a mattress is a {X} and you don't know it's a {X} until you let it out. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: Yeah you. #1 And you can call them some couches some hideaway beds # 505: #2 Uh. Uh. # and, some sofas. Different things {D: to cover}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Yeah uh the {D: there are some of the} the couches have made it {D: just} uh, you know. 505: {X} #1 {X} # Aux: #2 Sit in it. # And some of 'em well you can either pull 'em and let 'em out to make a bed out of it. Interviewer: Well what about some of the things that you'd only have in your bedroom? 505: {D: Well} mostly in a bedroom you'll have, dresser, {D: chestnut and,} TV, sitting chairs. No {X} sometime do have a {X} rocker and different thing like {X}, what size your room is. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: Yeah there are a lot of people. 505: {D: Most is that uh} just the #1 sitting chair in there # Aux: #2 {D: All of the} # 505: one big rocker in there something like that. {D: It's called} {X} what size your room. Interviewer: Mm. 505: The way they're building the houses now the room is so small. You can't get too much in one room, #1 because # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: #1 {X}. # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: {NW} #1 {X} # Aux: #2 In the front of the sides of the house. # 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: #1 You have to- # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: your space your living {D: and the stuff} according to the room you have. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Some people have just, a regular, company room just, maybe a couch and a chair a, table or something like that in there. {D: But then like} you ain't got, room enough you have to, you know, space them around the {X} {D: because of} the uh room. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: You have. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And the place where you hang up your clothes #1 in your bedroom, that's your? # Aux: #2 {X} # {X}, and you got the- some- you could have a 505: #1 Closet? # Aux: #2 Chifforobe # and closets and {D: hang them in}. Interviewer: Have you ever seen a- a big piece of furniture that you could use just to hang clothes up in? Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: {D: That wasn't} built into the house. Aux: #1 That's right. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # {X} Interviewer: Well it was called what? Aux: {D: Wardrobe.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: The old one was, {X} {D: where y'all hide this log}. 505: #1 {X}. # Aux: #2 {X}. # 505: {D: teach in between}. Interviewer: #1 Alright. # Aux: #2 They- # they got them, cut down now 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {D: and why they're called} # 505: #1 sometime some of 'em got glass in the doors just like # Aux: #2 chifforobes. # 505: {X} and then some are just plain doors. Aux: But the whole- whole uh style it called {D: a wardrobe} They, they, {D: double glass is in it}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: And you say to} open up and just hang your clothes in there. Now they got, chifforobe with the one side you hang your clothes in and, the other side is drawers. #1 You know. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: {NS} Interviewer: What about these things on- that you have on your window to keep the light out? 505: #1 Shades? # Aux: #2 Uh the window shades. # 505: {D: They uh- they up} there? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: {D They got little} {X} {D: but it stay up there.} Aux: {X} 505: I got 'em in all my rooms. Interviewer: Well what about these things on rollers you know, that you can pull down? 505: #1 {D: Those are the same # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: #1 things. # Aux: #2 those are the window shades. # Interviewer: Those are shades Aux: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 too? # Have you- well what about these things you know that, you can adjust 'em? 505: {D: Venetian blinds} Interviewer: {X}. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Do you have any other of those, blue- Aux: No I don't. #1 {X} # 505: #2 I do. But I ain't got 'em up # #1 I had taken 'em down cause I got tired of them. # Aux: #2 You? # {NW} 505: Yeah. Aux: {X} 505: {D: Couldn't} keep them {D: clean} {X} I got {D: window shades on all my windows} but I- I used to have {X} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {D: Well Venetian blinds} he got two string. One to, hold them in and the other to open them up. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {D: Alright.} Aux: {X} on {D: roll-roller} cause you could, put them up but, you- you would just, pull that {D: string} {D: and they would shift} like that. That let the light in then you put it {D: in their close}. {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} That's the same {D: question} uh, put it back in, window shade {D: up}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. What about some people have a place right at the top of the house, you know they climb up a ladder to get there and they might use it for #1 storing things? # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: Call that a Aux: #1 {D: That is uh}, # 505: #2 attic. # Aux: {X} where you go up in the attic. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: background noise} Aux: That was uh {D: uh so there are} some houses {D: it's been a} {X} {D: later houses} tell me they got uh- 505: Yup they got #1 that up # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: #1 there you can pull down # Aux: #2 {X} # {X} 505: {X} {X} {C: recording glitch} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. {X} (C: glitch again} like that. Interviewer: We were talking about, your kitchen though {D: today.} 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: {X} {C: glitch} house that who had a kitchen, built away from the main house? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Yeah. Interviewer: Was anything, you remember that- what that was called in particular? Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: and a regular} cook kitchen. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Yeah you j- I've known 'em {X} you have a, a walkway from your {C: rooster crowing} main house out to the, kitchen. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. But what about a room that was built right off the kitchen that you might use to store things in there like, {C: rooster crowing} canned goods or {C: rooster crowing} #1 extra dishes. Something like that? # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm. We I had one when I lived in {X}. Interviewer: What did you call it? 505: I called it a shed room. Interviewer: Shed room? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} where I kept my {C:rooster crowing} {X} and some like things I didn't use {X}, I stowed back in there. Some folks call it a storage room. {C: rooster crowing} But that's {C: rooster crowing} {D: meaning about the} same thing it does a shed, that you don't use for a bedroom and, I just call it the shed room because uh, most of what was in there was junk. Aux: #1 Uh you don't # Aux: #2 {X} # Don't use that room for no living quarters. #1 {D: More of it to store things} # 505: #2 {NW} # #1 Yeah now that's called the shed room. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: {D: But some of 'em} call it a storage room. Aux: Mm. 505: Just like this room at the back here. This is where they're {D: deep freezing} thing in the house small. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: Now I {D: can just see} I got a {D: itch} {D: to tell you cause I don't use them like that and the} {D: heat go} {X} Interviewer: #1 So is the- # 505: #2 {X} # The house is small, and I just call it a storage room. Because that's {D: most like keeping} my old things {D: storage} back there. Interviewer: You ever hear- heard people call it just a junk room #1 or something like that? # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: Some of them call it a junk room. Interviewer: Junk room? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about, uh when you get up every morning and clean up around the house, this thing that you sweep the floors with? 505: Broom? Interviewer: Have you e- have you ever seen an older fashioned type then the one you have over there? 505: Mm-hmm. I have someone, they come {D: around} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} homemade. And {X}. {D: Then I} {X} I have seen folks that, you know, {D: poor} like myself they uh, {D: were able to} buy my broom and {D: things is} way back {D: down} when I was {D: a lonely kid}, they would {D: go to the} {X} to the field they call it- you ever seen a {D: sage} broom? You don't know what that is? Interviewer: A what kind of room? 505: {D: Sage} broom. Interviewer: Sage broom. 505: {D: Grow out in the field?} Interviewer: Uh I've heard of it, I don't think I've seen one though. {C: rooster crowing} 505: Well I have seen peoples {C: rooster crowing} {D: that won't even buy a} broom. They'll take that stuff and, put it together and {D: tie} and sweep the house {X} yeah. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Mm-hmm. And another used to be on uh, just like we bought a broom back {X}. Well I guess {D: I'm gonna have sage broom} making brooms {X} you know? Yeah and most kept the {D: yards shaven though.} {NS} And we used to pay to keep the yard clean. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Cause we had raised geeses and {D: there'd be some in the front you know they had.} {X} And so we um, {D: the stuff you} {X} {D: they was sage broom.} {D: That they get a sage} broom, tie it around {D: as a stick.} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm.{C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: They're like a} {C: rooster crowing} broom wrap it down now and {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I don't know if you- you still do it or not, but used to be that, women just on Monday would do one particular thing. Kind of house work you know? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What did you usually do just on Monday with your, clothes and everything you know? 505: Well on Monday, well I tell ya what we {D: had to do}. {X} I never coulda had that {D: privilege}. Mother and me {D: were gonna} put them clothes up and hang them up in the sh- we had that closet in there and we had a chifforobe. We would put them clothes up and this time they hung. {X} Interviewer: Oh. 505: {X} #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: Then} mother was at the house. And then she {X} because she would do the cooking, and most time she'd be in {X} with us and stay there about until ten thirty and then she'd go in house and cook. And we didn't have that people to do that you know {D: Steven had to go clean that house up and uh.} Aux: Yeah. 505: Hanging them clothes up in here they hanging them clothes up when you come. {X} {X} You ain't {X} a clothes a {X} {D: be colored clothes wherever you want it.} Interviewer: But did she usually do the washing on Monday? 505: No. She usually didn't do washing {X} #1 {X} # Aux: #2 Oh. # 505: last week and a half. Aux: {X} 505: {D: We farming like that} she'd cook you know Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {D: Well we'd} # Aux: about {D: Friday} and wash. 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: Except you know it rain then you got caught up in the {X} and that, Monday morning was, #1 the main morning you- you- you # 505: #2 Yeah. # Aux: {X} 505: {X} #1 {X} # Aux: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: Right. 505: If it's Monday she's in the garden and you're doing something don't worry yourself. Interviewer: How'd you have time enough to get all this done? Say it like you had a lot to do. Aux: Well I- {D: I} had a lot to do and uh you would get up and- {D: on time}. Interviewer: #1 Oh you had to get up # 505: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: real Aux: #1 Aw ya you'd # Interviewer: #2 early. # Aux: #1 get up and # 505: #2 Oh # Aux: #1 milk them cows and, # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: feed them hogs. And {D: at around} {D: least} seven o'clock uh both time {D: beforehand} 505: Mm-hmm we was in. Aux: you was in the field. 505: {X} Aux: #1 And, # 505: #2 {D: that's true}. # Aux: {D: chop there and} made it the {D: house} {D: why} she would, {D: quit around} about ten thirty go to house and cook dinner. And the rest of them {D: chop out there} until about eleven thirty, and then you go to house to dinner and {D: eat dinner.} And one o'clock {D: sharp} you were back out there with that hole. {X} {NS} 505: {D: She's} up in the, {D: his} {X} {D: group} {X} Aux: {D: Well} {X} 505: #1 But if I had to do it over again and place # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: {D: in} where your mother {X} I'd be {D: more like} {X} Interviewer: I think that hard work's really good for ya. Aux: #1 Y-yeah. # Interviewer: #2 You might not think it is at the time. # Aux: It's- it's- it's it was uh- a great expense. It cause a lots of people to {D: learn} how to save more, and how to earn what you want and still get out there, {D: work till you get a} real job and not {X} {D: robbing you} of what you {X}. {NS} But uh, {X} I said the older people {D: back} {D: there they} was pick on the kid, they had {D: certain} people for you to associate with, and, then when uh, up until you got grown, if you were going out, you had to let them old people know why you were going or why you want to go. You didn't dare say I'm going {D: you had} I want to go see the {X} can I go or do you care? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And if they permit you to go {D: uh} then you could go and {D: your order was} behave yourself. And you know what that meant. And if they heard it uh {D: may have been} a week after you done gone on your {NW} visit something where you a wrongdoing or acting with some other kid, uh then you had to give him. {X} Interviewer: Mm. Mm. Well let me ask you, what do y- what do you call these things that you'd have to go up to get from the yard up on the porch those would be the... Aux: Doorstep. Interviewer: Just- you call those the #1 doorstep? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Okay. Well what about if you were in a big house when you had to get from the first floor to the second you'd climb up the- 505: Stairway. Interviewer: Stairway. Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: So a stairway inside and Aux: #1 Doorsteps. # Interviewer: #2 doorsteps # #1 outside. # Aux: #2 Right. # {NS} {D: Out.} 505: Have you ever did day labor? Interviewer: You mean, you know, physical labor? 505: Uh-huh. {X} Interviewer: I worked, let's see uh well I worked at a- at a packing plant. Meat packing plant and you had to do a lot of physical work #1 there and # 505: #2 Mm. # Interviewer: I worked out on a highway department you know for uh road construction Aux: Sure. Interviewer: that kind of thing. {NS} Yeah I've. 505: But you have never did no farm work have Interviewer: #1 you? # 505: #2 No # Interviewer: farm work. I was just, I wasn't raised on a farm, #1 but I- I visited # 505: #2 Mm. # Interviewer: I- some relatives on a farm and you know did some farm work when I- when I visited them. But uh, you know they were the ones who raising chickens. 505: Yes. Interviewer: I don't know if I told you about that or not but uh not a {X} period of time. 505: {D: Well I realize giving} {X}, about it, you don't know nothing about it but if- if I had to just uh, do one kind of work, farm work I {X} public work, I would really rather do farm work. Now everyday, you gotta go do your job but sometimes {D: I didn't}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And this {D: real farm}, {X} the best work on a farm that's a paying good wages {X} {D: you doesn't have to pay as you} {X} I would rather the farm. Interviewer: Well a- and again, it's something that you're doing for yourself. 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 {X} # {X}. Interviewer: So you know you take pride in it. 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} Interviewer: Ya. Aux: {D: Nah} you take uh, 505: {X} Aux: #1 {D: If I'm} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: working on a {D: corporate} job out there I don't {D: mind if they're either} doing their job, to make the days. But {D: if I'm} out there on the farm working to my own {D: end and} I'm trying to rake that crop or {D: grew} the crop as papa would. {X} {D: If he did I'll} {D: maybe go out there and hand} chop the cotton or something like that {X} Just, {X} why not? {X} {X} Aux: {X} I have uh, work. {D: I'll probably work} cutting timber, working saw mills, {C: rooster crowing} like that but, always have been a farmer. Never, never get- work a public job. {X} Interviewer: Hmm. Aux: {D: I don't} worked up there {X} and, on the {X} job up there, but the cousin of mine he was a concrete {C: rooster crowing} {D: finisher.} {C: rooster crowing} We'd- we'd {D: pull} one bridge up there, a hundred and twenty-eight feet long. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {NS} Were you you talking about some work Interviewer: #1 {D: A pretty big one} # Aux: #2 {X}. # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: I'll bet. Aux: Yeah it- {D: as a} {D: I'd say on uh} {D: let's see uh} {C: rooster crowing} highway uh, seventy {D: seven} {D: something I just can't remember what number} but anyway, it's uh six miles up {X} there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: We started on that {D: bridge there in} September. And this was in November when we, {D: got to uh} {D: uh we had to this is}{C: rooster crowing} this is a {D: ditch} {D: coming through here} we {D: went in there and} {D: had done} you know, {X} on up. Then we {D: had to} {D; go there} and {D: grade} this ditch down and then uh, set up {D: farm} and {D: fold this} {D: floor} here concrete. {D: At} where the water come through. Then, set up them farms up here, and pull the wall, {NS} and then {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} the cars and things to pass over top of it all down out here this is {D: where the water} come through, under the bridge. And we- we had that river was a hundred and twenty {D: and a half} feet long. Interviewer: Mm I'll bet you were familiar with every foot out of it weren't ya? Aux: #1 That's right # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: from beginning to end. {C: rooster crowing} {X} And me and my brother {D: both were.} Course I, I started at, Thursday, working and my brother he was working out here {D: pulling on} at the packing plant. And uh, he always was a little weaker, because he had- had {D: pneumonia}. Now I didn't want him in that water. And I {D: told him I said was uh}, I was getting {D: a dollar} and just {D: come and labor} out there, for a dollar and ninety cents now, I think you'd get more money out of {D: that} and then {D: you} {D: won't} be in that {D: waters if} {D: I get you on} uh would you go? He told me yes. {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {D: I says I got a brother.} He was still {D: hiring.} {X} Said I got a brother uh would uh- {D: would love to get on} a job if you still hiring. {D: He said uh} {D: when can you bring him?} {D: I said well uh} it'll be Monday. It's around Monday {D: you bring him on.} I came on up there and Monday man hired me {D: and then I worked there} {NS} {D: throughout} all, the time {D: we was building those bridges.} We've, built two bridges, all {X} they would cross the road {D: there.} {D: Plus they're} {D: hard} twenty foot bridges. {D: And they} had some, {D: sewers} you know across the highway uh, {D: part of a sewer} you go through there and you put those concrete {D: caps} you know, {D: over the end of them.} At the last job we was, them was putting the caps on those {D: sewers.} And then, {D: start uh} snowing and, cold weather come. No you couldn't do no good pouring concrete #1 {D: then.} # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah? # Aux: {NS} {D: So quick}. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {D: So I} got uh, pretty good expense {D: and then on the first uh} {X} job was that type I worked on. {X} It don't take you long. {X} There's nobody to pull you. When you pouring concrete {X} y- you {D: done got in the work} #1 {X}{C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: But now, uh, if {D: that's it} you uh, {D: experience} a {X} and then you can, work to your own advantage {D: on the job}. Now we had a foreman there. I don't think he had- he just had him a good job and uh, he didn't understand {D: as well as uh}- we were {X} {D: the work I did.} But he {D: all year does that}, {X}{C: rooster crowing} And when he start {D to pouring it}, sometimes he poured, you know too stiff. And you had to, take that {X} and {X} it around. {X} He had to take that {X} and {X} around, in the corners and then, level it up like {D: you want.} But then uh, I'll {D: pick} {X} it's called a {D: booster.} You could put enough water in that concrete, why it would be kind of sloppy, you know not too sloppy when it, come out of that, the- 505: Mixer. Aux: uh, shoot. It would kinda spin itself. {D: Then anything called a} {D: booster} you could drop that thing {D: there and} get it started {X} and he would run that concrete. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: around just like you {D: want it}. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: So that {D: saves} a lot of that you know hard muscle work with. {X} Interviewer: All right. Aux: So, he just didn't seem to understand it and then, he l-l-looked like uh I don't know uh he didn't understand like this {D: was a} uh to do it the hard way. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {X} {D: But in} building that bridge, {NS} {D: you gonna look out for} {C: rooster crowing} yourself ain't nobody else looking out for you. Interviewer: Right. Aux: {X}. I {D: told him} one day, I says now, we are {D: shipped} in this {X} {X} {X} concrete, {X} got a, a {D: two to three} {X} uh we call them uh {X} {C: rooster crowing} concrete {D: set from here across} over there {D: that you could}- have just one or even two or three {X} {D: before you run that}, {D: and left this} and you would have to share with that. I {D: know that's in there.} You- you had enough water come in that concrete {D: let it} {D: turn it over} till you get it stirred up good. Now when it hit that floor, it's no problem to spread it like that. And one day {NW} {D: you take} {D: you chill} I {D: went there and} got that {X} dropped it in there {D: and just started} sticking it down in there {X} concrete run just like you {D: digging} a hole or something. {X} My cousin now he was the concrete. {X} He told me he said uh, that man just don't understand it. I said well, he share the work and I'm gonna use it. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: {D: Then I got}, {X} and dropped it in down {X} better than I can take that {D: say I was scooping it.} And you know they didn't didn't even want you to have a long {X} #1 It # Interviewer: #2 Hmm. # Aux: {D: uh}, in in uh, {X} getting ready to {D: pull} on the ground. You had a {D: show} {X} You had to get {D: half in.} Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {X} Yeah {X} I don't know why they didn't have long. {X} You know this {X} you could, Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: stand up with them but, {X} we had it all {X} and the {D: we'd} been over there all day. {X} Sometime, you'd, come to {X} and see that I ain't doing {D: a thing.} {NW} But {D: it's still in motion.} Interviewer: Well I mean it's pretty rough {D: for ya.} Aux: Yeah oh yeah. Interviewer: Mm. Let me ask you about this expression. Let's say if I've if I came in the do- in the- your front door and I left the door open and you didn't want it to stay that way you'd {X}{C: rooster crowing} door? What about you? Would you say the same Aux: #1 That's right. # Interviewer: #2 thing? # Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} some say close the door some say #1 shut the door it's all the same. # Interviewer: #2 {D: Sure.} # And you said shut the door {D: a lot}? 505: Uh sometime I do. Interviewer: Sometimes you do? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about on some frame houses uh, on the outside the boards kinda overlap each other like this you know? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: What kind of board do you call that? Aux: Weather board. Interviewer: {D: Call it}- that's weather board? Aux: Mm-hmm. 505: That's on my house out there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well what about if- let's say you were doing some carpentry work and you know say like nailing a board uh or something like that. You'd say you- you took the hammer and you, did what to the nail? You- 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {X} or drive it up. Interviewer: Mm okay. What about- what about you- what do you call the thing that covers the top of your house the whole thing- #1 that's your? # Aux: #2 {X} # the our roofing. A good roof on the uh house. {D: Whether it's} metal or, ti- I mean uh, wood, or shingles. {D: He'd already got} what you call a, {D: a sh-} wood {D: shingle}. Then you got a- a paper {shingle.} And then it's just a- a a {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} but you y- you I've got all three of those to {X} with your metal. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: For your your roofing. {X} Interviewer: Is that what you call it too? The? 505: Mm-hmm shingles. Interviewer: Mm-hmm and the whole thing the- 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 The roof? # 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: and put it on wood {D: shingles.} {NS} You have, {D: what we call} {C: car engine} {D: on your rafters} {C: car engine} we call {D: layers} You put them space {X} you know closed up the other while one shingle was {D: reaching} up there too. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: But and then uh {X}{C: rooster crowing} your your paper {D: shingles} you got a solid wall. And then the {D: sanding} go on top {D: and} you call that your {D: decking}, for your paper {D: shingles}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Well let me ask you this you know, some houses {C: rooster crowing} {D: have}{C: rooster crowing} different slopes of the roof #1 you know? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: What do you call that place where two different slopes come together? Aux: {D: That's the} gutter. Interviewer: That's the gutter? Aux: Uh-huh. Between your {D: rooms} where you start from the {D: corner} and come down {X} just like that {D: kitchen out here} the rafters were this way on {D: it.} And then {D: just put it on this one} {X} but between those two rooms you, have the- a metal piece of tin and you'd start it at the upper {D: corner} come clean down to the outer edge. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And that tin is cut, {D: I mean bent in} a trench like that. And then shingling, {D: uh easier.} {X} That, sand would come clean down in that gutter and that would give that water no chance to go up out of those {D: shingles.} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Oh yeah. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: But {C: rooster crowing} each uh {C: rooster crowing} gutter would bring um, {D: each side} would bring its water down to that gutter to drain it off of the house. Interviewer: Oh yeah. So you call the the things where the slopes meet, {C: rooster crowing} that carries off the water {C: rooster crowing} that's the gutters. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 You know on- # Aux: #2 That's right. # Interviewer: on some houses right at the side of the roof they have the same thing Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 just carried along # the sides? Aux: That's right. Interviewer: Is that the gutters too? Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: {X} the gutter. Aux: Yeah some of them go all the way around. They {D: check} the water {X} running back in a barrel or somewhere to the b- uh run the water around to the back. {D: Where it won't} run all over the front. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: But they got uh, you know just {X}{C: rooster crowing} cause I {D: said} there like it is coming over the top. He go down and he'd {D: catch that} water and going {C: rooster crowing} around through the back. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Let me ask you before you had indoor plumbing, you'd have a, maybe a toilet out back somewhere or something like that? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: What did you call that? 505: Outdoor {D: restroom}{C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: {D: The restrooms?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You ever heard people call it anything else? 505: Yeah some call it a- Aux: Bathroom. 505: a a bathroom some call it a toilet and some call it an outdoor restroom. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Have you ever heard people call it outhouse or- 505: Mm-hmm.{C: rooster crowing] {X}{C: rooster crowing} mm-hmm. Interviewer: It's all the same thing? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {NS} Yeah, well what about {C: rooster crowing} y'all- y'all know a lot about farms. What about some of the the different types of buildings you'd see on on farms around here? Aux: {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: most of them} was uh just, {D: call them frame houses} {D: to some- well} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: Near the back there's a lot of them} {C: rooster crowing} {D: with the long houses.} Interviewer: #1 Mm. # 505: #2 I told him the house # {D: that he was born in was} Aux: {NW}. 505: #1 {D: some of it} # Aux: #2 Yeah. # 505: #1 {D: long.} # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # #1 Well # Aux: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: what about the the buildings that you'd keep the animals in? What would? Aux: {NS} {D: That would be uh the} {C: rooster crowing} stock barn. But some people call them {D: crib} but {D: you put your} {C: rooster crowing} {X} while you put your corn and hay in but, the animal barn all built you know #1 {D: surrounded.} # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: {NS} Would you have anything besides a corn crib {C: rooster crowing} where you'd keep grain? Just any? Aux: Oh yeah you you had {C: rooster crowing} uh people that {X} at the time they had wheat bin, cotton seed bin. {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: all they run the same ship there} around the barn. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: But you had bins where you'd {C: rooster crowing} {D: well you know the grain that you would harvest}. 505: Have you ever seen the? {X} Interviewer: I don't think that- {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {C: rooster crowing} 505: Well my father use to have one and he would build a shed up over it. Something to- {D: like a house top like this and}, and box it in all around there and he'd make {X} kind of like a trough but there'd be, you know {X} you know. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And you put that down in ground and then you go out, up through the up there by the {D: kitchen area you know.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And then he would {D: make us get}, {D: straw} and {D: corn stalks} and thing and {D: bring them and}, he would {D: pour them taters} in there and then- and then he'll put {D: 'em in and then you'd put a lid} on top of that. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Them taters stay there over and never {D: freeze.} Interviewer: Is that right? Well tell me about places where you keep grain. Have you ever heard anybody call a place like that a granary? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What- just- {D: keep}- just about any kind of grain Aux: #1 That's right. # Interviewer: #2 {D: in there?} # {NS} What about, when uh- after you got through cutting the {D: hay} {C: chicken clucking} instead of baling it, C: chicken clucking} you might just pile it up in a big pile in the field? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 What would you call # that? You'd say you had a #1 what? # Aux: #2 I # uh, not {X} with uh {D: me.} {D: But you call} uh, hay {D: shock} And some of them was uh. {X} A {D: shock} they would get them up poles, and dig a hole there in the ground {C: rooster crowing} {D: and get you a long pole} and just, put that hay all around that pole and pack it down {X} {D: why their foot} would have a bigger pole on the ground you know uh, why the water would run through under it. {D: Would ruin the hay}. Yeah you put that hay down {D: there} and pack it down there. And when you got the pipes you wanted you have most of your grass type of hay. Interviewer: {NW} Aux: Put that on top of that and just kinda you know {NS} {D: top it all while}, the grass would be on top. And that hay was set down {X} and that grass is uh {D: rain} if it were to come, would run that water off the top and you go ahead and take that top cap off, now here you gots to put them {D: right around back.} {X} Interviewer: Is that right? Aux: That's right. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: And {D: in other words} you can uh, just put down a long {X} the same way. If you'd unload it off your wagon, somebody place it on that {X} but you have it without {X} with a, a {D: follow-up to it.} Have it high {D: in the middle of all that} water would {D: drain to the outer edge.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: And when you pack it down there and it {X} put that {D: uh I see that} grass capping over top of it Interviewer: {NW} Aux: and you'd be {D: going around} in the spring year and, and after all there was, and he stayed out there and would not been {X} just that grass. And lift it up. {X} Interviewer: Do people around here have any thing- any kind of frame or- or shelter they might put hay under if they weren't gonna put it in the barn? Aux: #1 Mm yeah yeah # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: uh we call it} {C: rooster crowing} hay shed. {D: I've} got uh, two down there cause I don't uh {D: eat uh} well I do put some hay {D: you know.} {X} But I've mostly, bale my hay and I put it up in the {D: loft}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And then uh, have the shed that I put my cows and hogs to {NS} be in in the winter time {D: get them out of the weather.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {NS} Do you have any particular kind of name for just smaller piles of hay that've been swept up in the field or anything like that? Aux: Ya they- they call those uh shocks. Interviewer: #1 Shocks? # Aux: #2 Shocks # of hay. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: Now in years back} people used to do that but they don't {X} they don't do that anymore. You used to go out there and mow that hay down, let it lay there until you say about a day and a half depends upon what type of hay it was. {D: rooster crowing} Then you go down and rake it up in {D: windrows.} Then we'd go out there and take pitch forks and, shock that hay up in shocks, so high. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Then you'd go there and make another shock. {D: Let it set down} that shock {X} {C: rooster crowing} we were, two or three weeks at a time {C: rooster crowing} {D: alone in that}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And {D: you'd set down that} shock until you go back down and bale it. Then we would uh, have what you called a {NS} {D: take a wagon} {C: rooster crowing} unload that uh hay {X} to the baler {D: while you gonna bale it at.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Then, we uh- we had a- we call a hay ra- uh sweep rake. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: You put a {X} to it. {X} Space about as wide as this room {X} one over there, and it had, prongs on uh. {C: rooster crowing} {X} You just, run it right around the bottom of that shock of hay. Pick it up {D: and go up to the next shock} until you get about three four shocks {C: rooster crowing} {D: on there}{C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X}. Let them {D: prong} down and {D: you backs out of.} {X} Then the {D: man} at the baler would, you know, feed that hay on the bailer. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Aux: And he'd call it a {D: sweep rake}. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: #1 He'd # Interviewer: #2 What's? # Aux: haul that {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NS} # Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} or these here gasoline presses {C: rooster crowing} wer- were stationary before we had the pick-up type of baler. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well what about the building that you might keep your cows in if you didn't wanna have them outside? You'd call that just a? Aux: I uh cow stalls, stall for your cows. Lots of people have just a shed you know? {X} {C: rooster crowing} some have separate stalls {D: where you} feed your cows. I got, in mine I got a, a trough built down, where you can give them grain then. Then I got a hay rack, that goes down to the wall and put that hay in the rack. {X} {C: rooster crowing} so you can feed them grain in it {D: and either} throw that hay in the rack and, they can't pull that hay out you know just about {X} #1 {D: mostly had} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: to pull it, have slack like that and they- while they reach their mouth through there, and then they {D: uh try to eat} most of the hay they pull out {D: of their wall} #1 pull it on the ground # Interviewer: #2 {D: Right.} # Aux: {D: tramp} it all #1 under feet. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm. What about if you had some horses would you keep them uh, in a separate building or #1 along- # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: What would you Aux: #1 {D: That is} {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: #2 call it? {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: {X}{C: rooster crowing} each {D: view} would have a stall and when you {D: started} feeding well they'd all {X} {D: this door here} {X} {D: know his own} stalls just like, you know why you {D: slept} #1 at his own. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 and we # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 {D: had the frame} # Interviewer: #2 That's right. # Aux: {D: they'll} go in their stall. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Well what about your {C: rooster crowing} {D: hogs} you- you keep them in a? Aux: {D: Well the hogs} if you have a, a shed or something {D: then they all will} just go in there {D: huddle together} you know {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Well if you have some straw or something in their {D: bed and keep going.} Laying on {D: the} just the {D: naked} ground in the winter time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: And they go} {D: hell you put that straw there they'll make their own bed.} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # Aux: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Yeah. Well what about a farm that you just raised uh cows on you know for milk and butter? You'd call that what kind of farm? Aux: #1 {D: Uh} # 505: #2 Dairy- # Aux: dairy farm. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a {C: rooster crowing} you know, before you had much refrigeration people might take the milk and butter down to a stream or somewhere where it's cool you know to keep it so it wouldn't spoil? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What would- what- did you call that anything? Aux: #1 Well uh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: in-in} I was growing up we didn't have a {C: rooster crowing} {D: spring} or nothing like that. {D: Mama would have us to} take a {D: tube} and draw water and then she would take that {D: churn of} milk and set it into {C: rooster crowing} this uh,{C: rooster crowing} tube of water. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: And that would the way we had to keep our milk cool. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: And we had a- a- a well cause {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: happened} to my grandmother's place that. {X} She had some wa- uh milk {NS} in a {D: jug and let it} down in the well to keep it cool, and I don't know someone {D: may be drawing water} {C: rooster crowing} forgot it and that bucket hit that jug and broke it and that {D: run the well of} the water. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: So we had to, fill up that well and dig {D: the water that's} down there, but they never did. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: You {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: put them in a} tub and set that {X} {D: of} water in the tub to keep it cool. Interviewer: Well, talking about the farm, what would you call that open place that you might have around the barn where the animals might walk around or-or something?{C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: The lot?} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: That'd be the lot? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Or what about the open place where your cows graze at the uh? Aux: #1 Pasture. # 505: #2 Pasture. # Aux: {D: The cow pasture}. Interviewer: Was that usually fenced in? Aux: Yeah. Yeah. 505: {D: And another pasture.} {X} {D: Just finished getting the} hogs and cows {D: whatever I have.} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: It's um} {D: too bad} {C: rooster crowing} {D: that uh} {C: rooster crowing} three or four {D: wire} fence, you know, for the cows with the your grazing {D: hogs} they probably have hog proof wire and uh {D: cattle wire.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: On top of your, have hogs and cows all in the same pasture. {X} {D: two of you.} {X} Interviewer: Now is that the kind of wire you're talking about that has those sharp little points {X}{C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: That's about right.} {C: rooster crowing} Mm that's the- {D: you can} {X} Aux: #1 Just the same # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: you know with those barbs on it. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: Uh it as I said uh {C: rooster crowing} {D: fence made with that} {C: rooster crowing} you would uh, {NS} see how {X} about that low to the ground and there was about six inches {D: on.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: Depending upon how you stop it} some people, {X} {C: rooster crowing} keep your cows in there and they wouldn't break out but then {D: your cows} {X} they usually have from three to four strands of that barbed wire. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: And fencing.} Then, over there is in the {D: path you always nail your}{C: rooster crowing} wire on the inside {C: rooster crowing} of your pasture. So when your cows go {D: l-} {D: reach through there they} press against the poles they ain't get- press against the. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Well what about in the days before you had much wire fence, then what kind of fences did you have? {X} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {D: Well uh}- {C: rooster crowing} 505: Rail fence. Interviewer: Rail fence? Aux: Uh yeah back {X} {D: those big rail.} Cause {X} too many people have uh, no cows to {C: rooster crowing} pasture and that type of fence {D: if you did it} was, {D: such a} a large {D: area why} you didn't have too much {D: no} finishing to do. Maybe, uh me and you live, on the same farm and, we all get together and fence in the {C: rooster crowing} {D: woodlot} {C: rooster crowing} pasture, and then {D: everybody's} cows, that's why they stay #1 there. # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # Aux: If you want {D: you} a smaller pasture for mainly your {X} {C: rooster crowing} you kept them in the small {D: lodge} here at the house and the {X} {D: cows are} {D: gonna move} to the bottom. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Mm.{C: rooster crowing} Talking about fences, have you ever seen the- this type of fence that some people ha- might have around the- their front yard or their garden. It's usually not as big and sturdy as a rail fence and it's, you know some of them painted white? 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: #1 Uh. # 505: #2 {D: Plank}. # Interviewer: {D: Plank} fence? Aux: That's right. {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: where a friend} {X} {D: of mine} used to live. {NS} He uh, bought that place, after {X} {D: died} and uh, he got him a, 505: Plank Aux: #1 a # 505: #2 fence. # Aux: plank fence. Interviewer: Is that the same thing as some people call it picket fence? Have you ever heard that? Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} 505: {X}{C: rooster crowing} {D: I heard about} Aux: #1 Ya. # 505: #2 {D: that.} # The picket fence Aux: #1 Yeah # 505: #2 {X}. # Aux: that's same 505: #1 Sometime # Aux: #2 thing. # 505: {D: now} they just, fix different ways. Some of us fix it like a "X" you know and they call it a picket fence Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah. # 505: #2 {D: you know?} # (D: Up in there there's} planks there but they got it, got a {X} you know, {D: type} on top of them planks. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: They just {D: uh you know} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: a {X} but it's. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Anyway- have you ever seen uh, {C: rooster crowing} any f- uh walls or fences or anything like that made out of loose stone or rock around here? Aux: #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # 505: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: {X} {C: rooster crowing} that much around Aux: #1 No. # Interviewer: #2 here? # What about the stuff that your best dishes are made out of? You call that your? 505: China? Interviewer: Have you ever seen a an {D: egg} made out of something like that that, uh you might try- you might put under a hen to try and get them to lay? {C: rooster} 505: #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: #1 That's not a real egg? # 505: #2 {X} # #1 Yes. # Aux: #2 Artificial # egg. 505: Mm-hmm yes {X} My mother-in-law used to have a lots of #1 them yeah. # Aux: #2 Oh. # Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {D: I know uh} # {D: peoples} that used to raise uh, a plant. It would grow {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: and they would, use them for those artificial egg and put them in the hen nest and take all the eggs out and leave that in there for, what you call a nest egg. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Well what about if you were going to milk your cows what would you take with you to catch your milk in? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: A bucket or what you call {X} milk pail. Interviewer: Mm. So uh is a m- is a pail and a bucket the same thing? Aux: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: You just use that for you know a certain {D: purpose or milk in there}. Interviewer: Well what about this thing that you might keep around your kitchen to throw scraps in or something like that for your {D: home}? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {X}{C: rooster crowing} Call it uh {C: rooster crowing} garbage can or {D: slop.} 505: #1 {D: Bucket yeah.} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: bucket- Interviewer: Slop bucket? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Mm. Well what about this thing that you would uh, use in the kitchen to fry eggs or ham in, something like that? 505: Skillet? Interviewer: That your skillet? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {D: Is that the same thing as a frying pan?} {C: rooster crowing} 505: Frying pan? Aux: Fry- #1 of course now your frying pan, it's a lighter # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 uh, uh build than your skillet is. # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Do either one of them have legs? 505: Some of them do. Aux: Uh yeah yeah they they uh 505: #1 {D: Old type do.} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 Old {C: rooster crowing} # type. {C: rooster crowing} {C: Cause there'd be} {C: rooster crowing} legs on them, but, some of them are called {D: oveners.} 505: Mm. Aux: They had legs on them long just about size of a {X} and then you had a lid top to it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: You'd- the older people used to cook on them. They'd make up the {D: dough} cut out the {D: biscuit and} put it in and put that {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} on them, {C: rooster crowing} and put it down at the fireplace. And just put them on the embers on it and on top of that oven. {D: It would brown your biscuits like it would in a cook stove}. Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call that a spider or something like that or a baker? Aux: Yeah. {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Well what about you were telling me yesterday about these big black wash pots, 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 sometimes # you see out back? Is there anything that's like a pot except might be a little smaller that you could use inside a, I don't know maybe a {C: rooster crowing} {D: boil tea in it and it might have a spout} {C: rooster crowing} you know something like 505: #1 Yeah # Interviewer: #2 that? # 505: {D: soak} pot. Aux: {X} pot, and then they got the. 505: {D: Tea cup}. Aux: {D: Get your uh} cook pot's what you, cook {X} cause most people now have a {X} {C: rooster crowing} cook. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: But those are {D: regular} {D: part} that they cooked in that we {D: raised on it.} {D: They-} we have one of them at the house down there. {C: rooster crowing} Black just like the wash pot {C: rooster crowing} is it. Put it on the f- cook stove uh, oh, {D: in uh the uh} {D: heating systems here.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Cook. And food had much better {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Is that right? Aux: {D: You're doing things now.} Interviewer: Uh-huh. What do you- what would you c- if you have some uh- if you went out and picked some flowers or something like that, what would you call the thing that you'd put the flowers in and put up on the counter or something like that? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Vase? Interviewer: That'd be your vase? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is there any difference between a vase and the thing that you might uh grow your flowers in? 505: Yeah. Interviewer: The uh? 505: Well- Aux: {D: I'll tell you} #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: what you grow your #1 flower # 505: #2 Vase # Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 your flower pot- # 505: #2 {X} # {X} be your vase what you put {X} Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} sitting on a dresser you know and see flowers there on a table. {X} {D: Wander around there in the house} {D: getting me flowers but} your vase and then your flower pots. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well what about some of the utensils, you know that you have at your table {C: rooster crowing} to eat with uh, during a meal you'd have your? 505: Spoon, knife, and fork. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: okay. Now wh- what about when you uh {NW} after you get through with a meal and you have to wash your dishes? What do you call tha- that cloth or rag that you use to wash the dishes with? 505: #1 {D: Cup towel}. # Aux: #2 {D: Dish towel.} # Interviewer: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # {X} {C: rooster crowing} you know to handle your hot skillets and things with. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And then they got a regular cloth that they wash dishes with. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Drying cloth and, then. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Is that what you call {C: rooster crowing} the ones you dry the dishes with, the drying 505: #1 {D: Cup towel.} # Interviewer: #2 cloth?. # Cup towels same thing? Well what about this cloth that you might use uh when you're taking a bath, about hand sized you know? Aux: Bath cloth. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Bath cloth? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: And the big one that you dry off with thats the? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Bath towel. Interviewer: That's the bath towel? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about this thing that uh water comes out of, uh on your kitchen sink, you'd call that the what? Aux: {D: Your hydrant}. Interviewer: That'd be the hydrant? Is that what you would call it too? {C: rooster crowing} Well what about the thing that water comes out {C: rooster crowing} you know in your front yard, what would that be? 505: #1 {D: That's the hydrant, that's the outside hydrant.} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # That's the outside hydrant? #1 Or something? # 505: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 Well what- {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 Yeah I {C: rooster crowing} # {D: I want} {C: rooster crowing} my old well. We used to draw water when I got {D: you know} more of them put on there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And then I would put running water to the kitchen. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And I got a {X} {C: rooster crowing} while I was running water to get to the {D: stalk} {C: telephone ringing} and then the {C: telephone ringing} {D: same as a hydrant} connected {D: to get} water in to the kitchen. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} water in the house for washing and to put where you need #1 and, # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: the other went out {D: in the lot} for the livestock. {X} Interviewer: Uh-huh. Well you've-you've probably seen these portable water containers {D: or jugs or something like that you know} {C: rooster crowing} and some of them have #1 this little thing that you can # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #1 press and water will run out. # 505: #2 {D: Water faucet.} # Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Do you call-do you call that a faucet? 505: Mm. Interviewer: {D: Over that too?} 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: Uh- yeah it's a f-} you mean just like uh 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {D: where they keep} # the cold water {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} #1 that's the water fountain. # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: We, had one at the church uh- 505: No he mean this water {X} for the #1 kitchen you already got a little # Interviewer: #2 Right. # 505: {X} Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: You ever heard people call those things that the water comes out of on those portable containers spigots, or something like that? 505: Mm some of them call them {X} {C: rooster crowing} #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-kay. Well what about uh, you know you might get up one morning during the winter and it- it might've been so cold that when you turn on the water nothing comes out and you'd say like like well my goodness it got so cold last night {C: rooster crowing} that the pipes? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: #1 Freeze up. # 505: #2 Freeze. # Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: Mm-hmm. {X}- Aux: My {X} #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: What happens to them usually when it- that they just uh, the pipes uh, Aux: Burst? Interviewer: Is that what causes Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 them? # 505: #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: You can get some uh container, something like a faucet {D: there's something} {D: in the hole up in} in the {D: middle of that ice and you'd break it loose and then.} {X} But when it's really cold you know it's gonna be cold like the one last month. If you just let that faucet just. {C: rooster crowing} {X}{C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Well what about if you were gonna buy a fairly large a- amount of lard or molasses or something like that what would it probably come in? Aux: Well uh, it did used to uh {D: you'd get} lard come in cans. {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {D: Lard cans} {C: rooster crowing} And they got uh you know different size now buckets. {D: Can oh thirty-five uh} pounds {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} buckets that the lard come in now. Interviewer: A lot of flour would used to come in a? Aux: {D: Oh yeah.} 505: {X} Aux: A-and the lard too. {X} {C: rooster crowing} they used to get their lard by 505: {D: Barrel?} Aux: {D: Barrel} just like they do the flour, but all that is {D: done away with.} {D: Now they} got paper bags Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah. # Aux: #2 and, # 505: #1 {D: And they you know they used t-} # Aux: #2 paper sack # 505: they used to call them {X} Aux: {X} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {X}{C: rooster crowing} have you ever heard people call uh, uh, refer to anything as a stand of anything? #1 A stand of lard or a stand of molasses? # Aux: #2 Mm. Mm-hmm. # 505: That's the twenty-five pound stand of lard and Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and a twenty- Aux: #1 {X}, # 505: #2 five pound- # Aux: {D: years back uh}, {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} would put that lard in {D: barrels and things} your {D: barrel.} It was substantial enough you know to hold that {D: lard but} {D: down}, {D: but anyways} the can and {D: shifting it around} it would {X}{C: rooster crowing} a wooden crate built around those lard stand just big enough to you know protect that lard . #1 And you'd # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: {D: sit in the}{C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NW} in case it {D: throwing it} around {D: while that}- you wouldn't, you know {D: bend up your can or spill the lard}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: That wood frame around {D: would protect it.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well let's say if you were trying to pour something {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} into a {C: rooster crowing} a large container into a small mouth bottle? What would you probably have to pour it through you know to keep from spilling all over #1 the place? # Aux: #2 A faucet. # Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Faucet. {C: whispered} Interviewer: Is that the same thing as what some people wanna call a funnel or #1 something like that? # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #1 Same thing. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm # faucets. Interviewer: Same thing? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What if you were driving a- a buggy {C: rooster crowing} and uh {C: rooster crowing} you wanted your horses to go faster? {C: rooster crowing} What would you use to? Aux: Buggy whip. Interviewer: Buggy whip? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {D: Crack around} #1 {X} # 505: #2 {NW} # #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # Yeah that's, {D: take it from anyone} #1 {X}. # 505: #2 I'll bet you got many # different things in a {D: buggy ain't ya?} Interviewer: Beg pardon? 505: I meant you got many different things {X} Interviewer: Many different things is 505: #1 {D: I'm pretty sure} # Interviewer: #2 that right? # 505: I- I'm sitting here looking at you #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: I see you. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: Now did you uh did you do- did you do that book yourself? Interviewer: Oh no, this was- this was done by {D: pretty similar people.} {C: rooster crowing} The man who's {C: rooster crowing} who's the head of the project. {C: rooster crowing} 505: Yeah. Interviewer: collaborated on it. These uh- these uh basically the same types of questions have been used in these other interviews across the country like in the {C: rooster crowing} New E-New England states, the eastern states, and- {C: rooster crowing} and the Midwestern states 505: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 {D: here}. # So you see by using the same questions in different {D: persons} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} we can {C: rooster crowing} make comparisons {C: rooster crowing} like that. 505: That's what you do. {X} Interviewer: #1 Hmm. # Aux: #2 Yeah. # 505: And you {X} I tell him yesterday I was like {D: tells everybody} {X} what you told me twenty-six? Interviewer: Twenty-seven. 505: Twenty-seven. I told him I said I know you {X} kid. Aux: Yeah. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: #1 {NW} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 {NW} {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: {NW} 505: But he's got a good job and uh- what'd you say you did that for? Interviewer: I- it's a- this is a- an independent research project to- it's a- it's a study of uh, native speech, you know of people who live in- in various {C: rooster crowing} communities in- in about eight southern states. Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: This is- that's what I'm doing all this summer I'm, traveling around, I'll be working in, here in Tennessee and uh Mississippi, and Arkansas, and Texas. {X} {C: rooster crowing} Talking to people like- like you two. 505: Yeah. Interviewer: Trying to find out something, you know, a few things about, various things. Aux: {D: All the words} they uh, that uh {X} with {X} a {D: kind of individual}, what type of life that he's been familiar with. Farming Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah # Aux: #2 or? # Interviewer: sure. Aux: {D: And all like that?} Interviewer: Right. Aux: {D: Whether you were} {D: experienced in life.} Interviewer: #1 Right. # Aux: #2 Different # type of work and, but not. Interviewer: Right, right how he what he- what- how he describes various things what {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Sure. Interviewer: You know that sort of thing. That's what- that's what I'm interested in. Aux: #1 Alright. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # Well what about uh, you mentioned a- a sack a minute ago. What about this uh, this sack that's made out of kind of rough, heavy, coarse material uh, I don't know sometimes you might get fertilizer or something like that in it? Aux: {D: Cotton} sack, {D: and then} you got what we call a {D: grass} sack. You get uh different type of grain or something in it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And your {D: cotton} sack that's what we {D: you'd pick} cotton in. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: Uh} from a six to a nine foot sack. It's uh, what you call {D: that uh} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} was made out of. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: But now the {D: grass} sack it's uh about three foot or under. Got different {D: size.} {D: But} from uh, a two and a half {D: bushel} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} grain sack, up to a five bushel. {X} Oats- excuse me, the oat sack they used to bring them and {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And uh {D: I uh}, other smaller grain corn {X} two bushels. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Uh two and a half bushels {D: is.} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Now is that the kind of sack that some people call a crocker sack? Aux: #1 That's right. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Some people call them crocker sack some call them {D: grass} sack. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: It's the sa- that's the Interviewer: #1 Same thing? # Aux: #2 same thing. # Interviewer: Well what about if you had to take some corn to {C: rooster crowing} the mill, what would you call the amount of corn you'd take at one time? {C: rooster crowing} Uh you'd say that's a? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Well uh- a bushel? Interviewer: A bushel Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 or? # Have you ever heard people say something like a {D: turn} of corn or? Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: How much is that? Aux: #1 Well # Interviewer: #2 A turn- # Aux: a {D: turn} of corn, is uh, {D: see if you carry a a} a bushel {D: there that's} {D: the turn} {D: you carrying} to the mill. Interviewer: #1 Oh I see. # Aux: #2 But # now you got uh {C: rooster crowing} um {X} of corn. But I mean uh said you carry a bushel I uh- maybe I carry two bushels {D: I carry a barrel} of corn up there {D: a barrel of corn} that's five bushel. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Right. {X} What about the, if you were gonna going outside you know and hanging up your clothes, 505: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 let them # dry, what would you probably carry 'em out there in? 505: I have um have a basin, a wash basin. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} clothes {D: pin on them} container. I take it out and I got a mat out there and I {D: hang them up}. When I hang them up I put a pin in there, clothes pin in there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And they'd {D: best stay right there} until you take them {D: on loose.} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: What about if your uh, if your lamp uh went out or something like that. What would you have to {C: rooster crowing} {D: replace in it?} {C: rooster crowing} 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: You'd have to unscrew the? {C: chicks chirping} 505: Uh wick? {C: chicks chirping} Interviewer: The wick or the {C: chicks chirping} uh? {C: chicks chirping} Aux: #1 {D: Burner} {C: chicks chirping} # 505: #2 Take that {C: chicks chirping} # burner and put that wick up through the burner and {C: chicks chirping} put your oil in your {D: lamp.} Interviewer: #1 What do you call # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 what do you call # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: that oil that you burn in it? 505: {D: coal oil right?} Interviewer: {D: Coal oil?} Aux: #1 {D: Coal oil or} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: kerosene. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: What about one that runs off electricity you know? You'd have to replace the? 505: The bulb? Interviewer: The light bulb? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: On one of those, yeah. Talking about barrels a minute ago, what do you call these metal things you know that run around the staves, that hold the staves together? Aux: Hoop? Interviewer: Those your? Aux: Barrel Interviewer: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 hoop. # Interviewer: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Well what about if you were bottling something in a narrow mouth bottle, what might you put in the neck of the bottle to keep? {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {D: A funnel.} {X} Interviewer: Is that the same thing as some kind of cork or something like that? Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 that's what # 505: #2 {D: most days} # Aux: you stop the bottle up Interviewer: #1 Right. # Aux: #2 with the # {D: bottle cork would.} Interviewer: Right. Aux: And {D: pouring the liquid in.} {C: rooster crowing} #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: #2 Right. # #1 Right # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: right. You might I don't know you might've played one of these before but a lot of people have this instrument you know they play with their mouth? Aux: Uh-huh. Interviewer: And then what do you call those things? Aux: #1 Jews # 505: #2 Harp. # Aux: harp. Interviewer: Harp? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Now a harp and a Jews harp that's not the same thing- 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 No. # 505: Jews harp Aux: #1 Yeah a harp uh # 505: #2 that's uh. # Aux: {D: Yeah} a Jews harp you pick it. {C: rooster crowing} #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # 505: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # {X} Aux: #1 It's got # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: notes on it kind of like uh {X} and #1 you know # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # Aux: {D: that you play.} #1 But you # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # Aux: you blow that with your mouth. Interviewer: Yeah. {C: rooster crowing} Yeah. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: A Jews harp is a uh you pick it. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {C: rooster crowing in the distance} #1 Uh I # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: I asked you what you'd, uh about nails and driving nails and all that, that thing that you drive nails with that's your? {C: chicks chirping} Aux: A hammer. {C: rooster crowing} Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: I wanna ask you a- uh, a little bit about wagons. You know, that thing that goes between the horses? {C: rooster crowing} That long wooden #1 thing, that's your what? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: #1 {D: Tongue.} # Interviewer: #2 Wagon # Aux: #1 {D: tongue.} # Interviewer: #2 That's # the {D: tongue.} Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Well what about if you had a buggy? {C: chicks chirping} You'd have to back the horse? {C: chicks chirping then rooster crowing} {X} Aux: #1 {D: Shaft.} # 505: #2 {D: Shaft.} # Interviewer: {D: The shaft} of the buggy. 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: And, say a wagon wheel right in the middle you got the {C: chicks chirping} the middle of a {C: chicks chirping} Aux: #1 wheel that's- # Interviewer: #2 The hub. # That's the hub. Aux: {D: All your} spokes go #1 into. # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # And the spokes come out from it. Aux: That's right. Interviewer: And the- the- the very outer edge of the wheel you call? {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} #1 {D: The what is it called?} {C: rooster crowing} # 505: #2 Felloe. {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: The felloe? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: And that's- that's the rim {C: chicks chirping} of the? {C: chicks chirping} Aux: {D: And then you have} {D: your tire} goes over that {X} that's the steel {C: chicks chirping} part go around that wood {C: chicks chirping} {NW} {C: rooster crowing} {D: that's in there.} Interviewer: Oh. Well what do you call the thing that the traces come back to {C: chicks chirping} {D: when attached to it?} {C: chicks chirping} Aux: #1 Uh # 505: #2 Tree the. # Aux: Singletree. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: {X} 505: #1 {D: You say what} {C: chicks chirping} # Aux: #2 {X}{C: chicks chirping} # 505: {D: the doubletree is?} {C: chicks chirping} Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Doubletree {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: #1 Two horses you have it. {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # #1 One on one side is # 505: #2 Doubletree. # Aux: Singletree fastened to your doubletree. Interviewer: {NS} Oh yeah. {C: chicks chirping} What about if you saw a- {C: chicks chirping} a man going down the road in his wagon and he had a load of wood that {C: chicks chirping} {X} {C: rooster crowing} come back a little bit later {C: rooster crowing} and it'd be empty and then he'd be going back again with another load, you'd say he's doing what? {C: chicks chirping} Aux: #1 Hauling wood. # 505: #2 Hauling wood. # Interviewer: Hauling wood. You haul a lot of wood in your time? Aux: Aw ya. {C: chicks chirping} {NW} Interviewer: {X} Okay. Well you were talking about uh uh well y- your brother is uh out in the field right now {D: doing the} {C: chicks chirping} plowing. {D: Where there- are there} different types of plows that you can use to break up the ground? Aux: #1 That's right. # 505: #2 Oh yeah. # Interviewer: #1 What are some- what do you call the ones you use to break it up at first? # Aux: #2 {X} # Uh that's the uh {D: turning} plow. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {D: But that uh} we'll use them and we we use them but, {D: here and there it's} {X} {D: tractor} Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah. # Aux: #2 plow. # #1 {D: Waited all} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: year for this you know same type of {C: chicks chirping} Interviewer: #1 Right. # Aux: #2 {X}. # Interviewer: Well is there uh- a different type of plow you can use to break it up finer? Aux: Well uh, {NW} {D: disk it.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: You got uh {X} {C: rooster crowing} a {D: mule disc} you could take that {D: mule disc} and {D: disc} that ground, and then {D: breaking but}, now you got a {D: tractor dish} you cut it up with and then break it. Interviewer: Oh yeah. #1 Is that the same thing as a # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: {D: harrow?} Aux: #1 No. {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # What is that? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: The harrow #1 is what you use after you done broke it. That's # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 tear that ground up fine to keep it # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: pulverized} {D: why it won't be} {X} you know. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Get ready to {X} either. Just like if you break some ground and uh, {C: rooster crowing} {X} {D: turn dry} you go down and {D: harrow} that ground and that {D: harrow} will {D: pulverize and} farm that {C: chicks chirping} uh broke ground to keep it from, {C: chicks chirping} you know, {C: chicks chirping} {D: clodding.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. {C: chicks chirping} Aux: Mm-hmm. {C: chicks chirping} And when you get ready to {C: chicks chirping} {X} while you {X} {X} too. {C: rooster crowing} 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {D: O-over your} {C: rooster crowing} land is {D: the} {X} will, l- you know leave it. {X} But now you {X} hold that {D: more things than} {X} {C: rooster crowing} now you've got more up there. {C: rooster crowing} 505: They got some {D: little} {X} put on the tractor now they call them {D: chill} plows. {D: Or little old plows they} {X} {D: right now}. {D: This about} {D: like that.} {D: And it had tilling then and this keep it pulverized}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Be about {X} {C: rooster crowing} behind the tractor or {D: a rig and} {D: they goes down in the ground sometime} {D: and they'd be.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Just like if you got a {X} grass in your fields {D: see they'd} call it {D: chilled and plowing that ground.} That big {X} {D: see me have to come up that.} {X} Interviewer: Mm. {X} {C: rooster crowing} one more time about {C: rooster crowing} wagons. Wagon wheels the- the thing that the wagon wheels turn on, that's your? Aux: Axle. Interviewer: {D: That's our axle.} What about, sometimes you see carpenters use these things they're wooden frames kinda shaped like a letter A or something like that. And you can uh, you might lay a board across it and saw it or something like that? Aux: On your {D: square?} Interviewer: Is that what it is? Aux: {D: But ya} {D: you mean measure things a} #1 {D: square?} # Interviewer: #2 No this is a- this is a frame # kind of shaped like the letter A you know? Aux: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 You # {X} {C: rooster crowing} table with them. Put one here and one here and lay boards across? Aux: Oh. Interviewer: #1 something like that. # Aux: #2 We- we- we # call them {D: horses.} Interviewer: Horses? Aux: Yeah. #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: Yeah yeah uh, #1 in other words that's the- # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 the carpenter's uh. # 505: #2 {X} # {X} Aux: Carpenter's uh uh {D: outfit.} 505: {D: Mm-hmm.} Aux: You uh, you got one there and one here and then you lay your planks on that and they {D: sawed} {X} on that. 505: #1 You shoulda. # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # 505: {X} Aux: And then uh {D: in other words} you stand on them #1 {D: made it up around}. # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: Well have you ever seen any frames that were kind of shaped like this? Like an X you know? And you could take a log and put it right there in the middle of it, #1 and then saw off the end of it? # 505: #2 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: Now what would that be? 505: #1 That # Aux: #2 Uh # {X} your rafters uh either some kind. 505: Call it a wood {D: raft}. Aux: Yep. Interviewer: Wood {D: raft}? 505: {D: Uh-huh. Wish I had me that wood pile that they had to saw wood.} {X} Aux: But uh, last time uh in fixing your {D: scaffold} like you do. A carpenter, {D: usually} {X} two by four {D: up there and made it your} {D: a runout} from the wall {D: like um right here.} {D: Says here a two by four got a nail in it and one at the other corner.} Then you would take a one by three and put it in that {D: cross form.} That's {D: tying} that two by four {X} from the top of here and go to the bottom there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And cut from the top here to the bottom over here. That's cross tying your frame that you gonna be up- {D: a scaffold we call it}. Interviewer: Oh yes. Aux: You be up on {D: no} carpenter around here. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Let me ask you this it doesn't have much to do the farm or not but {D: when you get up in the morning sometimes you go in} {C: rooster crowing} the bathroom and you {C: rooster crowing} you straighten your hair with a comb and a? Aux: #1 Brush. # Interviewer: #2 What else? # And a brush and, you say when you do that you have to do what to your hair? You just? Aux: {X} Interviewer: Just say the same thing? You just brush Aux: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 your hair? # Or something like that? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 okay. # What about uh, sometimes when you went to a- a barber shop or you might have had one of these yourself, the thing that you sharpen your straight razor Aux: #1 A # Interviewer: #2 you know? # Aux: razor strap. Interviewer: Is that what you call it too? 505: {D: Mm-hmm ya}. Interviewer: Razor strap? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about uh, if you had a shotgun, you'd use a- a shell for a shotgun, but what would you put in a- a pistol or a rifle, Aux: #1 Cartridge. # Interviewer: #2 or something like that? # That'd be a c- cartridge? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Instead of a shell. Okay. I don't know if- if uh y'all ever played on anything like this or not but sometimes you see children uh playing on these things one uh there's long board you know, #1 anchored in the middle # 505: #2 See-saw. # Aux: #1 See-saw. # Interviewer: #2 and they go up and down # Aux: #1 See-saw. # Interviewer: #2 in the air in it? # Aux: {X} {NW} Interviewer: What do you say you're doing when you're playing #1 on one of these? # 505: #2 See-sawing. # Interviewer: #1 You're see-sawing? # Aux: #2 See-sawing. # {X} {D: Do you- do} get a long plank and {C: rooster crowing} get up on the fence and one or two on that end one or two on this end. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: O-One end go up the other down just back and forth Interviewer: #1 Mm. Yeah. # Aux: #2 see-sawing. # Interviewer: Well what about these things that, this was a board you know it was anchored in the middle, but, it went around you know like that? You could get on both ends and spin #1 around? # 505: #2 {D: Windmill}? # Interviewer: Is that what it is? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. Windmill go like that. # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: Windmill. Even if you didn't {D: fix it with children} it'd go round and round {X} then it would go around like that. Interviewer: Well have you ever heard of something uh like a long board kinda limber that would be anchored at both ends and you could jump up and down on the middle of it or something like that? #1 You remember? # 505: #2 Spring boards. # Interviewer: #1 That a spring board? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Well what about uh, you you see that a lot of these things you know they're they're uh they hang from limbs in the trees by ropes and {C: rooster crowing} have a #1 plank of- # Aux: #2 Swing. # Interviewer: That's just a old fashioned swing? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You make those out of tires and 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: planks of Aux: #1 Chain. # Interviewer: #2 whatever? # Aux: {X} Made 'em out of chains and at the bottom where you sit on the swing where we would cut a fork in a {X} {D: strap it to} that {D: chain} and you sit on there and you {D: swing until all} #1 {D: you go up as high as the top of the.} # Interviewer: #2 Oh really? # Aux: {X} #1 {X} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Yeah. What about uh, if you had to go get uh some coal, from somewhere, what would you call the container that you go get it in? Aux: Wagon or truck Interviewer: #1 Well # Aux: #2 or- # Interviewer: just you know something that you could carry. So- Aux: {D: Well uh} we always used to we just put it loose in a wagon {C: rooster crowing} {D: course now} they have sacks. You just #1 sack it up. # 505: #2 {X} # Sacks Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 {D: And.} # Interviewer: Well what about if you wanted to keep some of it in the house you know? Uh what would you keep it in there? Aux: #1 Your scuttle # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: we call it. Coal scuttle. Interviewer: That'd be the scuttle. Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 What do those things look like? # Aux: Well it's a- a metal container kinda {X} and, it'd come together in the front there as a uh {D: mouth} like a pitcher you know. Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah. # Aux: #2 {X} # Putting it in {D: the stove while it won't just} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: spill all over the floor. {D: How you} just like you had your coal bin out there and you're burning coal you take your {D: scuttle and} {X} {D: you scuttle coal and} {D: bring it} to put it in your heater. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what do you call this thing that uh a lot of people use around the yard? It has to carry things in it has two long handles and a wheel one wheel in the front you know? You could put a bag of cement or something like that in it. Aux: Wheelbarrow? Interviewer: Wheelbarrow? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of people call that anything besides wheelbarrow? {C: roosters crowing} Aux: Mm I- I- I don't {C: roosters crowing} remember right #1 now. # Interviewer: #2 {D: Yeah?} # Aux: But uh we have always w- I got one down {D: well it's} down there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: {X} They {X} {D: around.} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: {X} Interviewer: I don't guess you've ever heard anybody call that {D: a Georgia buggy} have you? Aux: Naw I've heard of that {D: Georgia buggy} but most of those uh the name of those {D: Georgia buggy} {D: those just the} same thing. They use them in uh you know just some contract building {D: and uh} hauling bricks uh smaller stuff in. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Yeah. And back {X} working on different jobs uh {D: look like} around the city, Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: building a sidewalk, and concrete in your {D: Georgia buggy}. Interviewer: {D: Push it in a Georgia} #1 buggy? # Aux: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: What about if you wanted to put uh uh an edge on your axe or your knife or something like that, what would you use to? Aux: Well uh {X} I have used what we call a {D: sand rock.} You turn it and then you take a {D: file} and Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: and file it with that} {X} to sharpen {X} and put them on {X} you know Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah. # Aux: #2 and # {D: file 'em down and} then take that {D: file and} {D: dress it off with a} {D: smooth edge.} Interviewer: Is that file the same thing as a wet rock or {C: rooster crowing} #1 is that something like that? # Aux: #2 {D: No you-} # that file just got those things that you- ever seen a {X} which people used to s- uh {D: sharp} {X} with #1 you know? # Interviewer: #2 I think # I know what you're talking Aux: #1 {D: But uh} # Interviewer: #2 about. # Aux: it's a {D: long day with} {X} your file is {D: raised in the same end} {X} It's square {D: each end} the file got a point on one end {D: the one you put your.} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Well th- the file is made in some uh the same {D: anyways} it's just a finer {C: rooster crowing} #1 grain then. # 505: #2 This is one of them. # Interviewer: Oh yeah. Yeah. #1 I have # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: yeah I've seen those before. Aux: Well now that {X} it's got coarser {D: grooves} then that file has. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: talking about} {D: what that} {X} {D: mule we} {D: smoothing} {D: up his hoof to put shoes on.} Interviewer: What about if your if your car was just squeaking a lot, you might take it into the service station and {D: tell them to} put it up on a rack and do what to it? Aux: Uh have it {D: grease.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And if you got then if you were doing that yourself and you got that stuff all over your hands you'd say your hands had gotten? 505: Greasy. Aux: Grease. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {NS} {C: rooster crowing} Well what about {C: rooster crowing} uh {C: rooster crowing} if you wanted the mechanic to look up under the hood of your car and maybe check your? Aux: {X} When you check under the hood see what's uh {D: well what's, needed under there.} {X} 505: {X} #1 {D: All right}. # Aux: #2 {D: All right.} # Different 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: things you know {D: could happen.} {C: rooster crowing} {D: So} {D: if I had} {X} {D: why they have been checked under there.} Some {D: kind of a} spark plug wire, maybe all your motor and, Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Hardly anything back there there's so many little. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: {NW} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: could do} {D: yourself.} Interviewer: Or you might be a quart low or? Aux: That's {D: right alright} like that. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of making a- a temporary lamp or a makeshift lamp out of a bottle and a Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: rag and some kerosene? Aux: #1 Yeah I # Interviewer: #2 {D: Something like} # Aux: #1 {D: did that} # Interviewer: #2 that? # Aux: #1 many times. # Interviewer: #2 # What di- did you call those #1 anything? # Aux: #2 {NW} # Uh- uh call- we call them bottle lights. 505: #1 Some of them call them # Aux: #2 You'd get # 505: {D: torches.} Aux: Yeah. You'd get {X} some {D: coal} oil and put it in a bottle and get uh some of that {D: grass sack} we was talking about oh ya. Gonna twist it and {D: till you get it that} and put your oil in there and then twist that rag down in there and turn it up until that oil seep back through it and, strike your match and then you got your light {D: right on.} Interviewer: #1 Is that right? # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call those flambeaus? Aux: Now I don't remember. 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Flambeaus. 505: No {X} Interviewer: Never heard of that? 505: No. Interviewer: Okay. What about, talking about cars and things, the the inside of a car tire, you know the part that inflates? That's called the inner? Aux: Inner tube. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: That's the inner tube? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. What about if you had just built yourself a a rowboat, and you wanted to try it out? You might take it down to the water and and put it in. #1 You'd say you # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: going down there to do what? To? Aux: Uh go boat riding. Interviewer: Boat riding? Aux: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: But what is it you call it when you're putting the boat in the water? You say you have to? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Well uh. Interviewer: Right you know right when you put the boat in the water? Aux: Yeah you- {D: you've got} a different {D: form.} Some people you got {D: you see a} boat trailer. {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: down in} you uh {D: let it} roll off that trailer right in the water. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: Uh you} {D: you go out} there to, row your boat. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} Interviewer: Would you call that uh launch the boat or something like that? Aux: Well I don't know what {X} {C: rooster crowing} proper name but Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: I} {D: going to.} {X} Interviewer: Right. Right. Okay. What about uh, do you have a boat? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What kind is it? Aux: Oh a metal boat. Interviewer: Metal #1 boat? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Is it one that you have to #1 use the- # Aux: #2 {X} # {X} {C: rooster crowing} paddle boat because {X} at least that's what I use it for {X} {D: for his uh} {D: he'll} have- had a motor on it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well what- what shape is the bottom? Is it curved or flat or #1 what? # Aux: #2 {D: Yeah flat.} # Interviewer: Flat? {C: rooster crowing} And what about the ends of it? Are th- are the ends flat or come out to a point or what? Aux: Uh yeah they uh {X} square at each end cause {X} square but it's narrow in the front end and wide at the back end. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Mm-hmm. I get the {X} with the ridges in the bottom you know for just like it would {D: come with} {X} and water won't be all over the boat if you go down those streams to Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} {D: there's nothing to get} {C: rooster crowing} over the. {X} Interviewer: Yeah. Well what about if a woman wanted to buy a new dress and she wanted to make sure uh that she got the right color sometime she'd take a little square cloth along with her to match it. Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What would that thing be called? Aux: {D: Well} that would be uh a sample of the 505: Sample of what you're Aux: #1 pattern that she # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: already have. 505: {X}. Aux: If she want a piece to match that. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {X} 505: #1 And # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: sometime you can go in {D: places like that} and tell them what color you want {D: they have a chart you know.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And you can uh #1 pick your color # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: from that chart but if you have a piece and you already want a piece {D: to go buy} you have {D: to keep it as} the sample. Interviewer: Oh yeah. {D: Right}. Well what about if you saw a dress that you really liked and you thought was real nice you might say my goodness that sure is a? 505: Pretty #1 dress. # Interviewer: #2 Pretty # dress? 505: #1 Yes. # Interviewer: #2 And if # you liked one even better you might say well I think this one is even... 505: {D: Prettier than the other one.} Interviewer: #1 {D: Prettier than the other?} # Aux: #2 {D: Prettier than the other?} # Interviewer: Yeah. What do you call uh the thing that you wear around your waist when you're in the kitchen? You know you don't wanna dirty your dress #1 or {C: all three talking} # 505: #2 Apron. # Interviewer: clothes. Aux: {X} Interviewer: And what about uh oh this thing that I'm writing with right here this is a ball point? Aux: #1 Pen. # 505: #2 Pen. # Interviewer: Uh-huh. And the thing that you that you might use to keep a baby's diapers together that's the 505: #1 Safety # Interviewer: #2 safe- # 505: #1 pin. # Aux: #2 Safety # #1 pin. # Interviewer: #2 Safety # pin. okay. And what about uh you say a dime is worth how many cents? 505: Ten cents. Interviewer: A dime is worth ten cents and and these uh cups that you might have out by the well you know {D: to} to drink out of? What would those things be made out of? What kind of a metal do you usually? 505: Well some is {D: made out of aluminum.} Aux: {X} {D: Plastic they} {D: are} {D: plastic} cups down uh {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: drink. Interviewer: Some people have you know metal roofs on their house, #1 and that especially # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: usually made out of what kind of metal? Aux: Uh {D: aluminum}. Interviewer: #1 Mostly aluminum? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # And uh they're galvanized. Interviewer: Mm. Hmm. Is it- do you ever- do you ever see any genuine uh tin roofs or something like that {D: to} Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: instead of aluminum #1 anymore? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 Yeah. # 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What would uh what would you say the a man's three piece suit uh consists of? {D: You'd have uh?} {C: rooster crowing} 505: Pants, vest, and coat. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: The pants, the vest, and the coat? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of men call their pants anything else besides Aux: #1 Trousers. # Interviewer: #2 just pants? # Trousers? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what about these uh they're not trousers but they're {C: rooster crowing} {D: they cover} {C: rooster crowing} your whole body you know? {C: rooster crowing} #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 strap? # Aux: #2 {X} # {D: You know} some of them call 505: #1 them overalls. # Aux: #2 Some of them coveralls # 505: and some call them {X} Interviewer: Is that right? 505: {D: Um I didn't know that} {D: know that they would be at} {D: our house.} Aux: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: And I told George that} I'd fix the {X} {NS} {D: take the} {NS} {D: I baked a cake} {C: rooster crowing} {D: yesterday.} {X} {D: I'd take it in the freezer.} {NS} {D: That would be uh.} {NS} Interviewer: Let me ask you uh let's say if you you haven't uh {C: rooster crowing} if you haven't worn a coat in about a year {C: rooster crowing} and you tried it on, you might say well that coat won't fit this year but last year it? Aux: {D: Yeah I've} {D: styled it up but the} coat is #1 {D: drawed up.} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {X} Interviewer: Didn't fit last year but? 505: And that's if it if it- if it- it's too tight this year I've picked up weight. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And if it {C: rooster crowing} {D: get on} {C: rooster crowing} looser then I've lost weight. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: {X} {C: rooster crowing} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about uh if there was something over on the other side of the room and you wanted me to get it for you? You'd ask me to do what? You'd say why don't you go? 505: Why don't you go there and bring me that {D: piece} {D: of that?} Interviewer: Okay. What about {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} some little boys you know they like to collect things. They pick up about everything they see and stuff it in their pockets. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And before long they have so many things in their pockets that the pockets do what? {C: rooster crowing} {NS} 505: {X} down- Interviewer: Yeah? 505: Yeah. They {D: bridge} out just like sack of {D: cotton.} {NW} Interviewer: {NW} Well what about if you put uh {D: a shirt} in water that's too hot or, {C: rooster crowing} something like that? {C: rooster crowing} 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 it may # do what? Aux: {D: Draw up.} Interviewer: {D: Draw up?} {D: And} shrink or something #1 like that # 505: #2 {D: Yeah some of them} # some of the folks say shrink and some say draw up. Interviewer: #1 Isn't that right? # 505: #2 {D: It's}- # Yeah. {NS} Interviewer: Well what about if uh {C: rooster crowing} if a young girl was getting ready to go out somewhere with a- with a y- with a young man? She might spend a lot of time in front of a mirror in her bedroom you'd say she's doing what? Aux: Primping. Interviewer: Primping. 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {NW} {C: rooster crowing} She's {D: at} {D: she's at uh} making up her face. Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah? # Aux: #2 {NW} # 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what if a boy is doing the same thing you know, he's getting ready to go out and 505: #1 Oh are you # Interviewer: #2 he's # 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 spending a lot of time. # 505: Yeah he's primping too. Interviewer: He's primping 505: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 too? # 505: {NW} Interviewer: {D: What do we} {C: rooster crowing} call the {C: rooster crowing} the thing that women {C: rooster crowing} take with them you know, to carry all their things in? 505: Handbag. Interviewer: Handbag #1 or? # Aux: #2 Some # {D: call it a} shopping bag. Interviewer: Shopping bag? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Purse or? 505: a purse. Interviewer: Something like that? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what {C: rooster crowing} what about the small one {C: rooster crowing} that you might use just for carrying change in you know? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Might have a little #1 clasp or something like that? # Aux: #2 {X} # {D: A lady purse.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Or cha- do you ever call it change purse #1 or # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #1 coin purse? # 505: #2 Change and # coin purse. {X} #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: I wonder, {C: rooster crowing} about these things that um {C: rooster crowing} ladies like to wear around their wrists you know, just look pretty? 505: Bracelet. Interviewer: #1 Bracelet? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. # Interviewer: And this thing that they wear around their Aux: #1 Beads. # Interviewer: #2 neck? # #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {D: Or a} # 505: #1 necklace. # Aux: #2 Necklace. # Interviewer: Her necklace? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And these things that {C: rooster crowing} that men might use to hold up their pants? {C: rooster crowing} They go #1 across your shoulders? # Aux: #2 Suspenders # 505: Suspenders. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: Some call them galluses. Interviewer: Galluses? 505: {NW} Interviewer: Does it make any difference what you call them? Whether they're just plain suspenders or fancy suspenders or? Aux: Well {D: I} yeah you would uh {X} for just uh {X} {D: have work suspenders.} Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: And then if you want for. {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: They- the- they have different {D: grades} of them for Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: different days. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Want to go, with a nice suit of clothes on a {D: pair of uh heavy work} suspenders #1 on. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: Yeah. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Well what do you call this thing that uh {C: rooster crowing} if it's raining you'd take with you outside and hold #1 over your head # Aux: #2 Umbrella. # 505: Umbrella. Interviewer: Have you ever heard #1 people- # Aux: #2 Parasol. # Interviewer: Parasol, that's called? Same thing. Well if you were making up your bed, what would be the last thing that you would put on your bed? {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Sheet. 505: Uh no, Aux: #1 Bed spread. # 505: #2 bed spread. # Interviewer: Bed spread Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: would be the last thing? And what about in the winter time when you have these heavy things you know if? 505: {D: Blanket} and quilts? Interviewer: {D: Be a blanket} and quilt? 505: Mm-hmm. Aux: Some of them call them comforter. Interviewer: #1 Comforter? # 505: #2 Some don't have quilts they call 'em comforter but # {D: the- they- they're} mostly {D: like that.} {D: I makes} my own, they're quilts. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And like if you buy them at the store they already. {X} {C: noise} Interviewer: And you when you go to bed you rest your head back on your? 505: #1 Pillow. # Aux: #2 Pillow. # Interviewer: Have you ever seen these things that weren't- they're bigger than pillows. Uh some people put them on their bed I guess just for looks? 505: Yeah shams. Interviewer: Shams? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Is that what it is? # 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: #1 Have you ever? # 505: #2 (X) # My grandmother used to {D: say that.} {X} put a {X} You put a {X} you know used to be uh {D: the whole bed.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm.{C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Old type}. Used to be {D: with} {X} at the head and them them pillows be standing up by the {X} up there. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # Oh yeah. 505: Pillow sham. Interviewer: Is that the same thing as what peop- some people call a bolster, #1 or something like that? # 505: #2 No. # #1 Uh they had. # Aux: #2 A bolster is a # 505: long thing that go across your bed. I got one {D: on my own} bed now {X}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: {D: It's the solid} {D: cross it} just like your pillows. Now I got pillows on that bed but it's most of them. {X} Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah? # 505: #2 {D: He's} # just a long thing with feathers in it {D: uh} uh {X} whatever you have in there. Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: And then you make a long {X} to go {X} for the cover just like you would a pillow case. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # Well if it was a- if it was a a long bolster you might say it doesn't just go partway across the bed it went? 505: Mines go all the way the across #1 the # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: {D: All these new beds} now they {D: got them to go} just about a a third across the bed and then it just like {D: they come by along in here and then they} {NS} spread a corner #1 {D: when take that} # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # 505: {D: that's where they make them knot.} Interviewer: Well what i- what if you had some company in the house that you might have to put down a temporary sleeping place you know on the #1 floor? # 505: #2 mattress # on the floor? Interviewer: A mattress? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Now is that the same thing as a palate or something #1 like that? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: Yes it is {X} you can put your quilt down on the floor and then put your {D: stuff} on there that make it kind of soft if you don't have a mattress {X} Aux: #1 Taking uh # 505: #2 floor. # Aux: mattress and put it on the floor and you know and uh you say we you'd call it palate. #1 You making a palate on the floor. # 505: #2 Mm. # Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Mm-hmm. #1 I have just taking the quilt # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: {D: once it's hot} when I was a kid and fold it together and got on the floor and make that's what you call a palate {D: come up with stuff} keeping cool {D: the bed} was hot. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Yeah. Getting back to the farm for a minute, the different types of land on a farm you know? If you had a- if you uh expect a big crop from your land you'd say that your l- you expect a big crop because the land is very? Aux: cultivated. Interviewer: {D: Cultivated?} If it's real good land if it if it produces big crops you say it's what kind of land? Aux: Rich #1 soil. # Interviewer: #2 Rich land? # What do you is there anything in particular that you'd call rich soil? Aux: Yeah. Uh it's uh this here {D: dark} land and then the uh the uh {D: gray} type of land. {D: What now all} uh hill land with a lot of soil Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} but we have a different section you'll find some of this {D: gray} soil is too {D: richer soil it's kind of} {D: poor} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: soil. Interviewer: Mm. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} some is real {D: red land, you'd have made good crop}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. It's not all {D: red land and} {X} you know {D: real poor} soil. Mm-hmm. Aux: But that {X} {D: you gonna grow look like much of anything on this} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Mm-hmm. Well what about uh real good land sometimes it's uh it's overflowed you know by water #1 in the spring and then # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: later on you can use it to plant things on? You'd call that what kind of land? Aux: That's uh {D: made} soil. {C: rooster crowing} {NS} The soil off the hill probably done {C: rooster crowing} washed down and and that made land and that's real rich soil #1 cause the soil from # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: {X} uh land {D: done} you know filled in down there. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: It's a really rich type of soil. Interviewer: Is that the same thing as bottom land? Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: {X}. Aux: {D: Like} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} water will overflow {D: one place} and down in the low place. Well if that water come off the hill down to the bottom it's bringing a portion of your soil {C: rooster crowing} {D: off the hill down there.} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And that will {X} {D: build that} lower place build it up. And that's why your rich soil {D: of yours} down there in that little {X}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what do you call a piece of land that's really not good for much anything because you got {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} all the time? Aux: Uh that's the uh {X} like uh regular low land {D: is} {D: is where} your water settled in {D: it's} {D: sort of} water {D: sogged, know?} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: A lot of time I know a place {D: out here} going on the {X} it's uh {X} {C: rooster crowing} long time it's just look like just {X} {D: but the staves are so wet you wouldn't be able to} go on down to plow it up. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} 505: #1 {D: And yeah.} # Aux: #2 {D: But} # It's uh s- some type of land in different {D: sections.} Just the {NS} what we call a spring uh land. {D: Just a spring} {C: rooster crowing} {D: somewhere in the area} {C: rooster crowing} and that water {X} through it and just keep it soft {D: for all time while} you gonna be. {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Yeah. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} 505: And uh we had a place in {X} we lived up there when I first. {X} You couldn't grow nothing in that place {D: as big it is as my yard} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} it wouldn't grow. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: {D: And we had} if you planted on it it would die. And so uh finally a man come through there. I don't know what {D: nationality what he was}{C: rooster crowing} but he told {C: rooster crowing} mine father when I was {X} do you {X} why you can't raise nothing there? He said well they're telling me it's a deadly {D: a deadly} {D: place where the} {D: deer} used to p- uh {X} put soil down for {D: deers.} He said yes {D: and then sold it.} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And then finally he just {D: kept turning that plow now} I- I think you can {D: raise stuff} #1 {D: on there that share now.} # Aux: #2 {X} # {X} 505: #1 {D: You used to couldn't raise nothing and now everything} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # 505: #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # 505: it would die. And so I guess by cultivating that, and the soil washing back there you know {D: what his deal is?} #1 Hmm. # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: {X} {D: That boy hey it was in the woods and} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} I got something {D: to show you then in the fields} said what? {D: He said come on. Say someday} {D: in there} there no grass. Nothing growing. I said what wrong with it? The lightning done struck or something? He said naw. {X} But you should be out planting this {C: rooster crowing} {D: crops} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} #1 {D: Come up there but it'd die}. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Mm-hmm. 505: And finally he got so {D: distressed} and then he couldn't tell where that place at. Interviewer: Hmm. Aux: {D: I see him} #1 cultivating and # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: soil different type of soil. {X} {C: rooster crowing} 505: And so they call that a #1 {D: deer deer lick} # Aux: #2 Yeah. # 505: place where they used to put salt out for #1 deer. # Aux: #2 S- # #1 -salt would kill the # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # Aux: land why it wouldn't produce anything. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And we was there one day and then the man he came by, we was chopping he said uh how many years have you been here? So my dad {X} {C: rooster crowing} He said it's a place up here he turn around and look he said {D: ain't welcome here.} I {D: believe he'd know it.} He said uh {C: rooster crowing} there's a good {C: rooster crowing} {D: bit of money} there. So uh my daddy said to him says uh has you ever been through here before? He said I guess I have. He said uh some of them done try to get it but they ain't ever got it. So- but here's the good {D: news} {D: there's a good bit of money} #1 {D: there said that.} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: {D: We ever get uh} if we ever be able to get it, {D: then we don't have to} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} long time. {C: rooster crowing} And so {X} and so finally {X} told him that his grandpa passed or something, {D: he's up there but} {X} on some place you know over that high hill #1 up there. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: {D: Up there where it.} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} That was the Indian territory and they drove the Indian out and they that's where they {D: hid their money} {X} {D: village and} put it in treasures like that. And they drove out and they didn't get chance to get the money so {C: rooster crowing} {D: you tell me} {C: rooster crowing} anywhere that you see uh a tree that got a {D: number} on it then that's a pointing them to the treasure. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: And another Indian notice it but now he be about the only one {D: with a know where- where to go get it.} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: I have space up here in the {D: barn.} It's in a wood {X} uh I cut timber {X} up there in, twenty-five in one of 'em. And we were {D: rafting} logs. Putting them in the river and pin them together and floating them down the river to the saw mill down {X}. And that night we had our raft fastened up to the bank and that night uh the man I was working with Mr. {B} he heard a noise and he thought his log was- had done broken loose. He went out there and he heard such a noise that the log {D: won't broken loose} and he said that it was a {D: bull coming} from across that river. Say it look like {D: fire was} {X} out his nose, ten foot on each Interviewer: #1 Is that # Aux: #2 side. # Interviewer: right? 505: {D: What?} Aux: Yeah. And he thought his raft had done broke loose while {X} just like he left it. Interviewer: Huh. Aux: Then he said he was some money was buried up there and the Indian didn't want {X} {D: bother it.} Said and they saw that bull coming at and says look like {D: fire was} {D: standing out his nose} on each side. Interviewer: I think I would've gotten out of there too. Aux: Yeah. {NW} 505: {D: Well what did he do?} Aux: {D: That Indian} {X} want back in to the {X} 505: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # 505: {NS} Aux: I know why {D: it would} {X} {D: from where} uh this {D: happened at} and it's uh what you call a {D: beech tree.} It's uh kind of a {D: smooth bark} tree and and that they cut that in that tree and {D: I didn't} know what year but you can see the numbers on there now, w- on that tree {D: right.} It was cut in there. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: And it done grow but you still discover them numbers. Interviewer: That's uh something like that in the town that I'm from a street is named {D: North Three Notch} street because the Indians made uh markings on #1 trees you know with three notches # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 something like that. # I guess for #1 you know purposes of showing direction # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: or something like that. Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah I was gonna ask you talking about land, do you have any swamps around here? Or anything like that? Aux: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: We have those.} Aux: Yeah yeah lots of lowland down here {X} {D: near the river that} is called {D: swamper} land. {X} Interviewer: Yeah. Yeah. Well tell me what would you call a a piece of land that's been kind of, cut through by some flowing water? Might be about say about ten feet across ten feet deep something like that, you know that was just, cut out by Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: flowing water? You- you'd call an area like that a what? Aux: A canal {D: uh yeah uh.} 505: Canal. Aux: {D: A wash} {D: through the farm.} {X} Interviewer: Would that be the same thing say if a- a heavy rain washed out a Aux: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 place like that? # Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: Something like that? Aux: {D: Oh uh} just like you say a w- water's coming off a hill down to the bottom and the water's severe enough to you know cut a a {X} down across the {X} {C: rooster crowing} where it continue to be a canal. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: Wash.} Interviewer: Is that the same thing as a gully or Aux: #1 Yeah that's the same thing. # Interviewer: #2 something like that? # Aux: {D: Other word} the uh canal you uh {D: you'd uh} cut a canal, with- that would be just a gully, {D: wash uh wash} coming from the upper land to the lower land. Interviewer: You cut a canal to drain a #1 piece of land or something # Aux: #2 Ya that's right # Interviewer: like that? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: And these here {D: washes} where the water just cut its own way through there. Interviewer: {X} You were talking about hills a minute ago. Do you ever call hills anything else? You might say you had a little oh I don't know, you ever heard them called uh uh well s- same thing as that uh that thing that you had to turn you know to open your door? That's your what? 505: #1 Door knob. # Aux: #2 Door knob. # Interviewer: Have you ever heard hills called knobs? Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: #1 Is that right? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # That's right. Interviewer: Well what about when you get {D: you see in} some places in Tennessee these things are are you know just big things. Much bigger than hills. You don't have just any- Aux: #1 Mountains. # 505: #2 Mountains. # Interviewer: {D: You have} mountains? Talking about mountains what about uh the- the side of a mountain, you know the rocky side that drops off real sharp? Aux: #1 Uh-huh. # Interviewer: #2 You'd # call that the Aux: #1 A cliff. {C: noise} # Interviewer: #2 what? {C: noise} # 505: {D: Cliff.} {C: noise} {D: Cliff.} {C: noise} Interviewer: Or maybe up in the mountains where uh you have uh where the road might go across in a low place something like that? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What would you call that place in the mountains? Aux: Well that uh {D: it w- uh} some people call it the uh a air pocket. You know {D: what} they call it {D: by} two mountains in between those mountains. {D: Call her} air pockets and Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: I {D: wish} my brother I never did see because I didn't go to see. He said they would uh be flying along in airplanes then they plane would be down below the top of that mountain Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: and when they get between those mountains that they hit what you call uh dead air pocket. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: {D: Until their} plane {D: would drop} #1 or certain # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: {X} down. Interviewer: I think that'd probably bother me a little bit. #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # Yeah {X} 505: When the boys stay here with me you said they was uh {D: fifteen} {hundred feet} and uh {D: he had to uh} {X} and then airplane said {X} {D: putting on bricks?} Say he thought that {D: bridge was done}. {D: And he had them filled five hundred feet}. Interviewer: Mm. Mm. Well let me ask you thi- this, do you know uh what you would call a place where boats would unload their freight? They'd unload it onto a? Aux: #1 A barge or something. # 505: #2 Barge? # Interviewer: Barge or- Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: well what about you know, this would be a, wouldn't be a, not necessarily a barge but, uh say at a sea port, you know the boats come up #1 and then they anchor and # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #1 the- the- the platform or whatever it is that's the? # Aux: #2 {X} # The boat {D: uh} {X} some people call it the- the st- stage {D: where} the boats land up. {X} 505: #1 Some call it loading dock. # Aux: #2 {D: Sitting dock.} # #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Dock? # Aux: The loading dock. Dock. {D: They up there}. Say this is the {X} building here and the water's not deep enough for the boat to come all the way {X} {C: rooster crowing} out of that dock {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: Why} {NW} the boat could come up {D: to it to unload}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. {D: oh yeah}. And talking about the mountains sometimes you see a place where water falls {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} long distance, {rooster crowing} do you know? What do you- what would you call something like that? That would be a? Aux: {X} Interviewer: Where the water falls over you know? {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: I don't know no neither.} {C: rooster crowing} I- I heard Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {D: talking about how} # Aux: they call it #1 {X}. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # #1 {D: I heard talking about it but I haven't seen it} # Aux: #2 {D: Water coming over} # 505: but {D: in that that} in the books uh. #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {D: Well what do you think} {C: rooster crowing} the roads around {C: rooster crowing} here in the county what are the what are most of 'em made out of, you know the material on the surface you got? 505: #1 {D: Gravel} # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: #1 and # Aux: #2 {X} # Asphalt. 505: and asphalt. {NS} {C: rooster crowing} Aux: Wish that rooster would go somewhere. #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Yo- You know where he's {D: going}? He fights that other rooster {D: long time now} {D: beats his head.} Interviewer: Oh yeah? Aux: {X}{NS} {X} Interviewer: Well tell me what you would call a {C: rooster crowing} {NS} talking about roads, what would you call a a road that would go off the main road somewhere? Aux: Well tha- tha- that was uh {X} this here's a by road leading in to the main highway. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: A cross road or something like that {X} {D: maybe it's} go on across the highway, but your main road would be you know your highway and #1 {D: you'd just be just on right top} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: a gravel road or Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: maybe a dirt road leads in to it Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: {D: the road}. Interviewer: Well what about a road that goes off the main road up to a man's house? That's the what? Aux: Uh that's the by road. {C: noise} Interviewer: By road? {C: noise} {NS} 505: {D: He fights that other rooster so bad} {D: How come I have to get rid of him?} Interviewer: Well what about if somebody- if comp- if company came by and you invited them into the room you might tell them well why don't- why don't you sit down and make yourself? Aux: {D: Comfort or} uh at home. Interviewer: Or at home? Okay. Do either one of- of you drink coffee? Aux: {D: Well I like} #1 do occasionally, not too often. # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: How- how do you take your coffee? Aux: Said how do I? Interviewer: How do you- what do you like in it, you know? Aux: White cream, su-su-sugar {D: when}- when I take a {X} {D: would call my wife}, {D: so I could get} {D: mine every morning.} {D: I just} #1 drink my milk. # 505: #2 {D: You used.} # Aux: {X} I'm a milk man. {NW} Interviewer: Do you ever- do you ever have your coffee with milk? Aux: I have- uh uh-huh. Yeah. Interviewer: Is that right? Aux: Yes. Cream {X} uh milk from our cows. Interviewer: Have you ever heard people order their coffee without anything 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 in it you know? # What do they- how do- what- how do they say they want it? 505: {D: Straight}. Aux: #1 Black coffee # Interviewer: #2 {D: Straight}? # Aux: #1 or straight coffee. # 505: #2 {NW} # My n- #1 my niece come here and just # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: #1 {D: wanders in the house and} # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: drinking cup after cup not a bit of sugar in it. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Every morning. Aux: {X} call it black coffee they don't want cream or sugar in it. #1 Just the straight coffee. # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call coffee like that uh ordering it, say I want it barefooted? Aux: #1 No. # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # {D: That means nothing}. {NW} Interviewer: Nothing in it? 505: {X}. Interviewer: What about let's say if somebody's not going away from you, do you say he's coming straight? 505: To me. Interviewer: Straight to you? Aux: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Or straight towards you? 505: #1 {D: Towards you.} # Aux: #2 {D: Yeah.} # Interviewer: Something like that. Okay. Aux: {D: Straight home} {D: or something like that.} Interviewer: Uh-huh. Well what about if you- if you've met somebody just, you know by accident. You didn't you weren't looking for her you might say I just sort of ran? 505: Ran up on them? Interviewer: Ran up on them, or, #1 ran across it or something like that. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Well what about if uh- if a child is is given the same name that his father has? You say that the child's been named? Aux: Junior. Interviewer: Junior or Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: he's been named in relation to his #1 father they were named # Aux: #2 Yeah. # 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: after his father or something like that? Okay. What about if you wanted one of these dogs out here to attack another dog, what would you say to him? Aux: Catch 'em. Interviewer: Catch 'em? Aux: Or sic 'em. Interviewer: Sic 'em? 505: {NW} Interviewer: What if you wanted him to stop, what would you say to him? 505: Come back here! Interviewer: Come back here? Uh-huh. What do you call these dogs that that aren't pure breeds you know? They just about a little of everything. {D: You got any} anything you call that kind of dog? Aux: I {X} just- just a dog. {D: He's} not a, you know, a full bred dog. Interviewer: {NW} Aux: No certain breed. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Well what about a a little tiny dog that just yaps all the time Aux: #1 {X}. # Interviewer: #2 and makes a racket? # Aux: {NW} Call them a {D: faust.} A house dog. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Uh-huh is that what you call it? {X} 505: {D: Uh uh} {D: she got a little uh} {D: I call it a little Chihuahua} {X} {D: know nothing in the world can beat that thing.} #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {NW} # 505: You know {D: that poor little thing} you know long hair. {D: And you talking about that} {D: she got some of the prettiest puppies she got two}. She said her {D: husband.} {X} {D: And uh} I um sometime I goes over there {D: often and} {D: she just} right behind me {X} I said {X} thing about you. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And she {D: there's a black} puppy and she have a {D: brown they're pretty} and they ran out with her. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {X} {D: And the little old feist} {D: keep her going but I don't think she can} {X} over that. #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: Well did you e- did you ever know of any dogs that were {D: bad to get after you you know}? Aux: Yeah yeah. 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 it definitely # 505: #1 {D: German} # Aux: #2 {X}. # 505: German Shepherds is bad. Aux: Uh German Shepherds and a dog called a {D: Poodle} dog. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 mean dog. # 505: #2 those. # Aux: {D: Course how you} #1 {D: get uh it's uh lot's} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: how} people train dogs. You can take a bulldog {D: which he's supposed to be a bad dog}, {D: but then I} you train him right he ain't no more then the other dogs. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {X} some of them attack you and then again they won't. It just depends upon how they are trained. Interviewer: Has one ever gotten a hold of you? Aux: Yeah oh yeah. And he was {X} {D: probably} just a kind of uh a mixed breed of dog. He wanna {X}. I went house right down the road here one day. {D: Went down after a cousin of mine} in a buggy. The dog was on the back {NS} and I went in {D: on} had {X} {D: house.} I went in and {X} and I went on in and they wanna come back out to the buggy. My cousin forgot her purse and left it on the bed. And she said I've done forgot my purse will you go over and get it? I opened the gate and got about half way to the porch and them dogs heard me and they come around the house. Three of them. Interviewer: Uh-oh. {NW} Aux: And I didn't have a thing in my hand to keep them off of me. Then my cousin was in the house she come to the door and. {X} And them dogs were {D: running me in the house} she {X} kicking them. {X} One of them {D: run up there up and grabbed them by my} {X} leg. Just did pinch my skin. And I got a chance to kick him and by that time she hollered at them and they just {D: broke and went on} back around the house. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: {D: And that was the only dog} {D: ever did get a chance to bite me}. Interviewer: Oh yeah? You hadn't been bitten badly though? Aux: No it was just nothing but the skin on my leg. Interviewer: What about you did one ever? 505: Uh-huh. Miss {B} dog. {D: He was going from school to teach us.} {X} She had uh Miss {B} had a package {X} she told me and another girl to go down so we know the dog went back {D: to the black door}. #1 It kinda # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: {D: shaggy and} so I was scared of the dog. I got {X} {D: and I said now} Miss {B} {D: come on in here}. So we went on in {D: and the girl jump- now if she ain't of run} I don't think the dog would've {X}. She jumped up on that step, he, {D: broke into me.} And man I {D: set down on him} with that stick. I broke it. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # {D: I sit down} {D: on me}. She got mad with me cause {D: I hit the dog.} Interviewer: Oh. 505: But he would've gotten me if I hadn't {D: hit him}- #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 You have to protect yourself. # 505: #1 Yeah. # Aux: #2 {X} # 505: And he didn't get a chance to bite me cause when I- when I {D: said I don't wanna} I don't want {X}. Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah? # 505: And she said did you hurt him, and I said I don't know Miss {B} {D: I said} but he broke in. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {NW} # 505: {X} Kill him if he bites you. Interviewer: Mm. 505: She got mad but he didn't he said don't let him bite you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And when we got ready to go I said I ain't going out there {X} go with me so she went with us to the gate. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And we got outside the fence, and when we got outside of the fence he was {D: still mad at me.} {X} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: So you can imagine why.} {X} #1 {NW} # Aux: #2 {X} # Uh uh {D: the same individual she} talk about she had that dog {D: is a black} I don't know, Shepherd and {D: cur} or some mix. The black dog had a white white ring #1 around his # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {D: neck}. # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 And he # 505: #2 {NW} # Aux: uh you could not go in that yard if he was there without somebody #1 {D: guarding you in}. # 505: #2 Uh-uh. # Aux: And the {D: man} of the house stayed there and if he put on a pair of corduroy pants {D: his wife would have to} {D: guide him in} that dog wouldn't let him in there with them #1 corduroy pants on. # 505: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # Uh-huh that d- that dog was rough and he he's about this tall. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: But um, I- I had that stick. That stick was a good fighting stick. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: But I told myself {X} but I had a. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah? 505: Cause uh {NS} {D: we hardly at a gate} and he's. {NW} She said come over here {D: here boy.} She on the porch {X}. But as they {X} jumping on in front of me I {X} he was- he {X} but when he come out {D: from that house} I didn't do nothing but {D: do this here}. I did that so quickly {X} {D: I shot that dog that dog shot back and I.} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: And she didn't look like she'd like it and I didn't care if she didn't I want him to. {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: I don't want that dog to bit me. Interviewer: Well tell me, talking about, getting back to farm animals for a minute, in a herd of cattle, what is it you call the male? Aux: #1 The bull. # Interviewer: #2 That would be # the bull? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Oh. And what about a little one? When it's first born it's a? Aux: A little steer. Interviewer: A little steer? Aux: {NW} Interviewer: Uh uh is there any just general term for a for a little one? Besides steer? Is a steer a male? Aux: Yeah uh-huh. {X} you know that's the small bull but he got to grow {D: you can call him} #1 {D: calf until he} # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # Aux: grow up to the, you know bull stage {X} Interviewer: And uh what about a little female {D: it's a?} Aux: Little heifer. Interviewer: Little heifer? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about if you had a cow named Daisy and she was expecting a calf you'd say that Daisy's gonna do what? Aux: Gonna {X} or have a calf. 505: {D: Have her a calf.} {X} Interviewer: Have you ever heard people say that they got- they have a cow who's gonna {D: freshen} or something #1 like that? # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Mean the same Aux: #1 thing? # Interviewer: #2 That's right. # Well what about in a in a group of horses what do you call the male? Aux: A stallion. Interviewer: {D: It's a stallion?} Aux: Stallion, some people call 'em a {D: stud.} Interviewer: {X} {NS} Well what about uh the female horse? She's the? Aux: She's the mare. Interviewer: She's the mare? Aux: {NW} Interviewer: Okay. What about, talking about horses, if you tried to get on a horse and you couldn't stay on you'd say you've you do #1 what you # Aux: #2 He throws you. # Interviewer: He throwed or you fell? Aux: Yeah. Interviewer: Fell off the horse? Aux: That's right. Interviewer: Okay. Well what about if a little child went to bed and in the morning he woke up and he was on the floor? #1 You might say- # Aux: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: you might say to him, say well my goodness during the night mus- I must've Aux: Fell out the Interviewer: #1 Fell out the bed? # Aux: #2 bed. # Interviewer: #1 Did that ever happen to you? # 505: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 Yeah. # 505: #2 {NW} # {X} Aux: #1 Now I don't # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: remember ever falling out of it myself {D: but I'll} I had kids around me did fall. #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # 505: #2 {NW} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Well talking about horses, what do you call those things that you put on a, horse's feet to protect them? Aux: Shoes. Interviewer: Horseshoes? Aux: Mm-hmm. #1 Horseshoes # Interviewer: #2 And- # and the part of the horses foot that you put them on that's the what? Aux: The hoof. Interviewer: The hoof? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever played a game with those things, 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 {D: you gotta throw them}? # Aux: #1 Pitching horseshoes and {C: rooster crowing} # 505: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Aux: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # {X} {C: rooster crowing} game. {NW} Interviewer: I don't suppose y'all have ever had any sheep around here have you? Aux: No there's not uh w- we have them but- 505: We haven't had {X} Aux: #1 {D: somehow} # 505: #2 {D: neighbors they} # Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {D: We raise sheep.} # 505: #2 {X} # {D: Did they every day. I don't know why} {X} number nine. {D: We had sheeps all} right in front of my house {D: and he would just uh} {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: {D: And we didn't now} I never, been around while {X}. Interviewer: Well do you know what you call the male sheep? Aux: The ram. Interviewer: The- the ram? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And what about the female? Aux: That's the male. Interviewer: Yeah-huh and what is the female called? Aux: Uh let me see, {D: what was it}? I did know. 505: The ram and then I did too but I don't think I remember. Interviewer: {NW} Aux: I just remember 505: #1 {D: Yeah I don't know}. # Aux: #2 {X} # {D: The ewe, the}- 505: #1 {D: I do believe it is ewe} # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh uh-huh # ya I think that's right. 505: I think it's ewe. Interviewer: What do you- what would you raise sheep for mostly anyway? Aux: Well uh, 505: #1 {D: For their wool}. # Aux: #2 Their wool. # 505: For their wool. Aux: {X} I'd be {X} butcher {D: and mutton.} 505: {X} Interviewer: {NS} {D: Yeah?} The meat's pretty good? Aux: Mm yeah it is. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well what about, talking about your hogs, what do you call the male hog? Aux: A boar. Interviewer: He's the boar? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: And a- and a little one? That's? Aux: He- he's just a pig. Interviewer: Just a pig? Aux: Just uh he {D: get up but then he} {D: the boar.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Yeah. Well what about, what would you call a a male hog {D: that's been altered} you know? Aux: A barrow? Interviewer: A barrow? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And you- you'd say you did what to it? Aux: Uh uh {D: alter him}. Interviewer: {D: Alter him}? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You ever heard people say anything else for that? They gonna? Aux: Uh cut him. Interviewer: Cut him? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: okay. What about those stiff hairs on the hog? What do you call those things? Aux: The what? Interviewer: You know those stiff hairs, on a hogs back? Aux: Uh his bristles. Interviewer: His bristles? Aux: Mm-hmm. Yeah he'd get mad then he'd throw that bristles up just like a dog. Interviewer: Is that right? Aux: Yes. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: {D: It hairs stand still} {D: on his back.} 505: {X} Aux: {D: He} He ready to charge you when they do that too. 505: That's the {D: it's only about eleven thirty.} {D: He's coming late today.} Interviewer: Who is that? 505: #1 {D: Mail carrier just done it}. # Aux: #2 {D: Mail carrier}. # Interviewer: Oh. Oh yeah. {D: You know} some hogs you know have these long teeth? Aux: {X}. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: The male {X} they get up, uh to, about {D: two year old uh} those {D: tusks just} grow and stick out the corner of their mouth. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: {D: Out} and one would fight cows and things. He never did challenge me but it {D: cut a} {D: mule} {X} or two of mine. Interviewer: Hmm. Aux: I'd {D: take} my hack saw and sawed them off, clean up {D: through the gum.} Interviewer: Is that right? Aux: And they they growed back out. Interviewer: Is that #1 right? # Aux: #2 Just # #1 as sharp as it was before. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} Aux: The next time I cut them, {X} after they growed out I got me a {D: wire} and tie them {D: in his top} of his mouth and got my {D: wire stretchers} and {D: staked them up to the} {X} {X} {D: front feet were clear}, Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And at {D: had in its top} {D: lip} he go to {D: a-hollering} I had my. {X} I {D: hit him there and} and knocked them out. They didn't come back. #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Oh man does he {D: carry} too much for that. Aux: {D: Yeah.} {D: It's the} {D: are you gonna} break his jaw bone? I said I'd sooner break his jaw bone then he gonna kill up everything around here I got. Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {X} It's not my {X} {D: a dentist} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: {D: But didn't he come back that time}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: He was at church one Sunday and he had {D: one} that {D: tore his pen down} while he had a {X} and he can come by the church and kill us all. {X} Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {D: Uh and} the uh, {D: what was is a hog pen was sitting in the} {D: mule lot}. And the mule would go over there, eat over in the hog pin. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm. {C: rooster crowing} Aux: And broke the {D: plank} {X} my hogs {X}, come out {X} {D: where this male was}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And man he got at them hogs just like a dog at a rabbit. Interviewer: {NW} Aux: And I was in church and somebody come and told me about the {C: rooster crowing} hog was out {C: rooster crowing} in the lot with my mare, and he had them hog cut all over. That's why he could {C: rooster crowing} {D: strike him at} he struck them down {X}. And one o- of them he- he hit him {D: in his hip} {D: and cut a long gash in his hip}, and one {D: he hit it} right up behind his whole shoulder {C: rooster crowing} {D: on the side.} {C: rooster crowing} And when I killed that hog he done cut him clean into the. {X} Interviewer: Mm. Aux: {D: The) the first {D: time in} January, both times, {C: rooster crowing} I come out the church and put on {D: water he} kill them hogs. {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} been so full of {D: fear.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: So me and my brothers come out of church and I got {X} out of. {X} {D: Then we put on} {D: water} and {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: hung 'em up} {C: rooster crowing} laid them out there in the smoke house until the next morning. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: Yeah I, I went to. {X} What what happened? {D: I think my} {C: rooster crowing} hog got out {D: of the lot there} and you broke the fence and they come out the {D: the lot and that male got over} to them and I had come out of church and kill them hog. He said well go ahead and kill them {X} {C: rooster crowing} I told him that's just what I'm doing. {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Well let me ask you this, do you have any names for a hog that's grown up wild? Aux: Uh yeah {X} is just a wild hog #1 you know. # Interviewer: #2 A wild hog? # Aux: Mm-hmm. I've never seen one but uh {D: years back} {X} about uh I'd say about four miles from here, when I was a kid my daddy and uh other friends that {D: the worker} {X} they had a {D: farm} {D: up} {D: the bottom there} {D: kind of.} {X} And uh Interviewer: Oh. Aux: they would have corn {D: plains} up there. And uh {D: along on their} {X}, {X} them on through, or maybe before then. They would uh {NS} hook up a wagon and a wagon load up with uh go up there {D: laying but then a wild hog} come out of the woods and eat up the corn up there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: {D: Then they} they killed {D: some up there} and then they {D: run in on some pigs} and they caught some {X} pigs. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: And saved them and a first cousin of mine had one he caught and {D: she} started {D: playing} and {D: raising them}. My daddy got a pig off of that pig. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: They were {X}, well the whole time he had her {D: was a never}, {D: she would bring pigs} and if you caught one of them pigs {D: buddy} you'd better make sure you getting out of that {D: lot} #1 in a hurry. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} Aux: But she was shifty. {X} Interviewer: Get after you huh? Aux: {D: A real slick black hog.} {X} When you- you see that bristle raise up her back you better be going. Interviewer: Yeah. Aux: {D: That's it) #1 that's how we # Interviewer: #2 {X} # Aux: had them old rail fences. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: You'd have bigger locks {X} you have now but {X} that's why you kept the hogs in the {C: rooster crowing} {D: lock} {X} {D: real fence}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: But they would sure {D: get to you}. Interviewer: Yeah. Well tell me, have you ever heard a calf you know making a- a noise, like when it's being weaned or something like that? You'd say that calf was doing what? Aux: {D: I'd say} uh when it being weaned? Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: Bleating? Interviewer: Bleating? Aux: Mm-hmm. 505: #1 {X}. # Interviewer: #2 {X}. # Aux: Mm yeah. Interviewer: Well what about when a, you know a noise that a cow makes uh when it's being fed or something like that? 505: She'd low. Interviewer: {D: She} say she's lowing? Uh-huh. Well what about a horse when it's being fed? 505: Nicker. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Okay. Well what- Let's say if you got some cows and some mules and some horses and so forth and they get hungry you'd say you have to go out and? Aux: Feed 'em. Interviewer: Okay. And what about if you had some some animals like hens and turkeys and geese and ducks, you could call all them together your? 505: {X}. Aux: Feed your f- uh fowl Interviewer: #1 Right. # Aux: #2 {X}. # Interviewer: It wouldn't be the cattle, #1 would be the fowl # Aux: #2 Mm-mm. # Interviewer: {D: like that.} What about uh a pla- the place where you keep your chickens? That's called your what? Aux: The hen house. Interviewer: That's the hen house? Is that- well what about if you had just a place that was {D: pent up} or something like that instead of being uh- Is that the same thing as a hen house or? Aux: Well uh #1 the hen house that's where your chickens # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 {D: are roost there}. # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: And then uh a lot people would have uh what you call a chicken yard. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: You know your chickens not allowed to run out in the fields {D: so why you just have a} regular chicken yard Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: for 'em to stay in. But the hen house would be where they would lay at and go to roost at night. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Talking about chickens, when you fry chicken, there's one piece that uh that the children like to get you know, cause they #1 pull it # Aux: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 apart? # Aux: #2 # #1 Uh-huh. # 505: #2 {D: Wouldn't that be a} # wing? Aux: {D: No that} you know what. {X} 505: Uh drums- uh oh the breasts? Aux: {X} {X} 505: #1 Uh-huh. # Aux: #2 {X} # #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {D: Yeah that's right. Like that. That's right.} # Have you- Aux: #1 {D: Uh that's that's} # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: {D: that's the}- 505: {NW} Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {NW} # Too much meat. {X} Aux: Right in front of his uh chest. {X} Interviewer: Why- why do they like to you know one will grab hold #1 of one end- # Aux: #2 I I # I don't know why {X} I can't {X} {D: particular} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NW} Do you have any uh any one word that you use to describe the say the inside parts of the hog that are edible, you know that you can eat? {D: You call all that together or anything is} particular? Aux: Uh the inside of a hog? Interviewer: Yeah that you can eat. Aux: {D: I uh the} the liver {D: or out of the whole} thing is good to eat. Interviewer: #1 Yeah? # Aux: #2 And some # {D: people they say} I don't care much about the {D: lights} and Interviewer: Yeah, things like Aux: #1 and # Interviewer: #2 that. # Aux: then the heart Interviewer: #1 Ya. # Aux: #2 {D: mm.} # Uh, {D: milk}, the kidney and Interviewer: Uh-huh. Aux: the uh {D: maw} and the #1 {D: chitterlings} # 505: #2 {X} # People don't like chitterlings. Aux: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # Have you ever heard that called haslet or #1 something like that? # Aux: #2 Yeah. # Yeah they use that. 505: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Interviewer: {D: How is that}? Aux: {NW} {X} liver and the haslet is {X} you know connected together. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. What about, let's say if you ha- heard your your cows mooing along towards the uh late evening you might say well I didn't realize it was so late. {D: It's right on to?} Aux: Milking time or 505: Or feeding Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 time. # Aux: #1 feeding time. # Interviewer: #2 Feeding time? # What about if you wanted to call to a cow to tell your cows to get up and come up from the pasture? How would you call to them? Aux: #1 Soo soo soo. # 505: #2 Soo soo soo. # Aux: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Aux: some people have a different you know method of calling them. Depend upon how the the- the cows are trained. Interviewer: Is that right? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm # {D: I can tell her come on in.} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: #1 Some of them have # 505: #2 {NW} # Aux: cows named he can call him by his name and. 505: She come {D: trotting}. Aux: and she'll come on to the house. 505: #1 Come on # Aux: #2 Now. # 505: {X}. Aux: #1 I. # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # 505: She come. Aux: My hog I'll call them whoop and they'll come. And I got a a {D: barrel} out there with a a metal top to it #1 where I # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # Aux: mix my feed in to feed them. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: They can be up here um in a. {X} Now I go out there and just raise that top up and slam it down on that barrel, and they'll come running just like I done #1 called them. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: {NW} How do you call your hogs? 505: {D: They call her Sue}. Come on {D: Sue}! Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Then I tell her} get in that {D: lot}. {X} Get in that {D: lot}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Sometime she come back like I'm gonna give her that switch. {X} Interviewer: Well what about if you were gonna call the calves, would you say the same thing? Aux: Yes {D: the calves.} Interviewer: #1 Same thing? # Aux: #2 {D: The calves.} # Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Well what about the horses or mules? Aux: I call them by {D: name}- {D: c'mon Bill, Kate or what have you} come over here. Interviewer: {D: Mm} call them by their name? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what about uh let's say if you wanted to- if you were- if you were riding on a horse or {D: had hitched} a buggy or something like that, and he wasn't moving. What would you say to him to get him started? Aux: {D: Come up}. Interviewer: {D: Come up}? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what about if he was- if he was moving along and you wanted him to go faster? Aux: {NW} Interviewer: Just Aux: #1 Cluck # Interviewer: #2 {X}. # Aux: #1 to him. # Interviewer: #2 Cluck to him? # Aux: #1 Or shake their line. # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # Uh-huh. 505: Or you tell him. {X} Aux: He {D: he'll realize} the movement of them lines it means for him to go. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # Now is- is that what you call uh those things that you guide #1 {D: by when you're plowing?} # Aux: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: #1 {X} # Aux: #2 {X} # Yes your buggy line or wagon Interviewer: #1 line. # Aux: #2 Wagon line? # 505: #1 {X}. # Aux: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: And if you wanted your horse to stop you'd #1 say to them? # Aux: #2 Whoa. # Interviewer: You'd say whoa to them? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what about- {D: I don't guess you know any calling to sheep} or anything like that? Aux: No I- I don't know the, how they, you know go about calling {X} #1 you know participated # Interviewer: #2 Yeah I never. # Aux: with them. Interviewer: Right. What about if you wanted to get your horses ready to go somewhere, you'd say that you have to get out there and do what to your horses to get them #1 ready? # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: And what about the- that stuff you have to put on 'em you know to? Aux: The harness. Interviewer: #1 The harness # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {D: and} # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: that kind of thing? {NW} What about the things that you put your feet in when you're riding a horse Aux: #1 those are? # Interviewer: #2 S- # Aux: Saddle stirrup. Interviewer: Stirrup? Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: When you- when you plow with horses or, when you have two horses {D: just hitched to} a wagon, uh do you call the horse on the left anything in particular? You say that's your? Aux: Uh well uh the horse on the left {NW} that's your saddle horse. Uh that is in a {X} drive the wagon or something. Interviewer: Oh? Aux: Y- You always use it to ride your left {D: hand} {D: wheel mule or} horse if it's a {D: log} wagon or something {D: then you} ride the left hand mule. Interviewer: Oh. Aux: That's {D: use your right hand} if you're {D: riding} {D: course some people may be} {D: left-handed.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Aux: But in the {X} you want to {D: pop} your {D: lead} mule with your whip, your right hand is free to your {X} mule or {D: the ones.} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. Aux: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Yeah. What about if uh if something i- isn't right close to you. Not right near at hand you know? You might say it's just a little? Aux: Too far. {X} Interviewer: Or a little ways over Aux: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 or something like that? # okay. Well what about if you've been traveling for a long time and you're not yet even close to being through you know with where you have to go? Aux: Mm-hmm. You'd say that you still have? A long distance ahead. Interviewer: {X} Aux: I have so many {D: mile} {X} you know? You know {D: definitely the.} {X} You got so many miles to go {D: yet} before you know you get your {X} {C: noise} {X} {C: noise} Interviewer: Well what about if you're- if you can- if something's very common you know, and you can find it just you- you don't have to look for it in any special place? You say that you can find that just about? Aux: Anywhere. Interviewer: Just about anywhere? Yeah. Well what if a- if a man fell down in your yard and he- he fell that way? You'd say he fell? Aux: Backwards. Interviewer: And if he fell that way? Aux: {D: Forwards.} Interviewer: What about uh if you went fishing and you you didn't have good luck at all, and somebody ask you well did did you catch any fish? And you say naw I didn't catch- Aux: Didn't have no luck. I didn't catch nothing. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. You ever heard of people say didn't catch nary a one? Aux: #1 {D: Mm-hmm yeah.} # 505: #2 Yeah. # Aux: #1 I have- # 505: #2 {X} # Aux: #1 I have # 505: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 {D: many.} # 505: #2 {NW} # Aux: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {D: Right.} # 505: #2 {NW} # {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Well what about let's say if somebody accidentally stepped on your rake in the yard and broke it? You might tell them well that's alright, I didn't like it didn't like it anyway or Aux: #1 something like that? # Interviewer: #2 Uh yeah. # Okay. Well what about if you you might see a- a child crying, and you don't know why he's crying, and you ask him {D: why. He might say well) #1 I have? # Aux: #2 What # what's the matter with you? Interviewer: Alright or Aux: {NW} Interviewer: he would {D: let}- Aux: What happened to him #1 or something like that. # Interviewer: #2 Uh-huh. # And he might say well my friend was had some candy- he was eating some candy and he didn't give me? Aux: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 None. # Interviewer: #1 Didn't give me any? # Aux: #2 Any. # Interviewer: Okay. {NS} {NS} 505: Until she got fourteen {D: and that boy what I just showed you in that picture} now I raised him from a {D: baby he's born in the house} and I raised him all the way until he. {X} And then I raised another boy {D: and he came out as a} {D: dead daddy} {D: he didn't know}, I learned how to. {X} Now he's in uh {X}? {X} {D: tell you where my Sammy is}. He got his own business, shop, nice home. He comes to see me. {D: Sew me clothes}. {D: I don't buy no clothes}. Interviewer: Well that's good. 505: #1 {X}. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: I said that, I said you know I never have the money {X}. {D: I looked uh I told you} {D: if I were to buy anything when I went to you} Come live with me {D: you've been having to work}. But you know {X} {D: I tell you we were} {X} {D: I remember you} {X} I said {X} I said I don't want no more. {X} You know how to do that {X} but you know sometime I don't want you cooking. Now when he come home he came here little before Christmas and {X} I {D: sent you the right coat}. {X} {X} {X} Said I forgot that coat. {NW} I {D: said} let me {X} I said boy they were so warm. {D: He say} {D: what you talking} {X}. {D: I'm gonna send you} {X}. They come closer and closer {X}. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: The kids {D: is gonna miss} {X} {D: uh-huh they'll buy no clothing.} And I got three {X}. And I say {D: to him} you should just some people just. {X} And then {X} think I'm going somewhere {X} I got to think of {D: thing of two three pair of shoes in there.} {X} {D: Had so many brother} {X} you ain't going nowhere but {X} {D: this church and that church}. And I got- I was getting ready to go to {X} {D: walking from there back to} {X} and that's when these {X} the boy {X}. I hadn't bought anything but my {X}, and I was getting ready to get {X}. {D: Now you got} {D: stock like that. You know above that} {X} to Vicksburg {X}. And that's where my husband grew sick. {D: I make} {X}. {D: But I thought} I don't like- I don't like {D: to travel}. Mm. Interviewer: Well let me ask you this, if- what if you knew a- a boy who'd been spoiled by his parents you know? And you thought when he got when he got older. When he was- when he got grown up he was probably gonna- he's probably gonna have his troubles? What would you- what would you tell me, you know, in the way of telling me what you thought would happen to them? You'd just say, that boy is? 505: He is spoiled. He just really {D: need- just really} {X}. {D: but here's what I'm going to tell you.} {D: And I'm telling you} {D: if you find a little boy} Parents brought him up {X} thought that he was better than other kids. And I said when he come up that's when I say he shouldn't talk too much. I said {D: he will never be} {X}. I shouldn't given him everything he want while he little. And let him have his way. I said when he get grown I said he won't. {X} Interviewer: Is that right? 505: {D: You know when that kid come up and} {X} he said {X} that he would want {D: to share} with other kids {X}- He- I tell you what he- they was a- {D: that he was adopted child}. They won't. {X} But I just {D: I had said he'd never be no good} but I sure made a bad mistake. {D: I should've not said we can make mistakes} {X}. My boy got up and got grown. He said I {D: only had everything that a kid} could have to play with. And had all kind of toys and any kind of food that I thought I wanted to eat. {X} He said now there's {X}- there's a heap of kids out there ain't got {D: changing clothes}. You know you have to think of these things {D: in mind.} She say- he said {D: now I don't have everything that I think a kid need}. He said nuh-uh, I wanna {X}. Said but I- if I have some kids I'm not gonna bring them up like a {D: grown up}. I'm gonna let them know to {X}, and they be tired of what {X} getting to know how to take care. I said well I didn't think you gonna ever have {D: assist} enough to do nothing. {X} {D: Being a man}. I said but I have to tell you I'm proud of you. He grab and hug me kiss me and he said {D: you ain't nothing but my mama} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: I says uh yeah. I said I'm proud of it. I said I said way Miss {X} brought you up and give you everything {X} and everything. I say when you mad {X} {D: gonna get you and have a hard time}. I said but {D: honest to me} I'll tell you to your face {D: I lied.} He said don't say that. I said yeah. I said when you don't tell the truth you lie. I said now you {D: done marry}, you got a family, I said you got the sweetest wife {D: and I saying you so} {X}. {NW} He said you silly thing you. Yeah and he- he grew up and he had a nice home. He had a nice wife too, {D: I'll be giving it to him}. She did- and he {D: brought her} just what he thought that she needed and his home was just as nice as anything {X} {D: a man's house.} {X} And then he went there {X} about it. {D: He would set a} place on the table {X} just a little dish {X} that table was full. Now you can. {X} He said now {D: that why- that's one thing done.} {X} E- everytime I sit down to the table {D: I could eat what I want}. He said {X} put everything on y'all's table that you could eat, and that you didn't need to eat {D: and so today you're stepping like a fool} working hard, trying to keep that same. {X} I said well you right. {D: Did I make} you want to have something {D: but your parents bring you up} decent and have a {X} you trying to have. {X} Do you think that's right? Huh? {D: They have a plenty of food}, I don't mean no expensive food I mean {D: common} food. Now me and my daddy ate no expensive food. {D: like some folks.} But he- he'd give us all {X} food but we {D: had plenty left.} So I think. {X} {D: Heap of people who are grown and got} {X}. {D: I ain't know what's my back but in my stomach.} {X} {X} I want at least a nice clean home to live in, but I ain't never I ain't never had {D: nothing to work all my life because I} I want. {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: That's right. Interviewer: {X} Let me ask you, we were talking about farming this morning, what do you call those trenches that are cut by a plow? You know 505: #1 {D: A waterfall.} # Interviewer: #2 when you? # 505: {D: Mm-hmm.} And what about if you had some land that you want- you wanted to get the bushes and the trees off of it? You'd say you need to do what to it? Well you need to go clear that up. Now sometime if it's not {X} {X} {D: That} when I first saw {X} so much of {X} {D: was in woods.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And we have. {X} Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what do you call a piece of land that's just been {X}? 505: {D: New ground}. Interviewer: New ground? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what about if uh- if you have just cut off some grass or hay or something like that. What do you call it when it comes up again right after that? That's the #1 what? # 505: #2 Well that's # the second crop. Interviewer: Second crop? 505: Mm-hmm. Just like if you {X}, and my brother got some {X} {D: down here.} {D: Now if he had uh} {D: if that hadn't been earlier then he couldn't} {D: get it come back out and he} {X} second crop. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: Uh-huh. Mm-hmm #1 that's the- # Interviewer: #2 What do you # what do you call wheat when you cut it and tie it up into bundles? So you got a? 505: Well I never seen it {X}- I seen them t- I seen them tie oats up that way {D: for stock.} But wheat {X} thresh it and they. {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What was- he was talking about this morning, shocks? 505: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Uh # could you call wheat you know that's? 505: Yeah you could take that uh {D: after you} combine that {D: wheat} that uh, that wheat often uh- {D: off the stalk.} You can take that {D: wheat store} and put it in shocks. But most people now, they used to bale it up but most people now take {D: it uh} take that uh, wheat {D: straw and bundle it up}. Now most {D: of you be around if you would} {D: round} and then cut that wheat {D: where you see.} {X} {D: They bundle} {D: wheat straw.} Now {X} because just like if you got uh {D: some uh} race horse track uh you keep {D: you have} race horses. {D: Are there broken horses?} You can use that in that stable {D; for you know}, {D: on a path} they use it {D: but then} {D: they don't use it} but they use it for other {D: pens to keep them horses} {X}, just like they have {D: means} to clean it out. They put so much of that in and {D: they never come out and have them use straw.} {X} Now the {X} {X} going in to {X} {X} {D: Jackson}. He got a- he got a race track {D: up there by the} {X} {D: walking} horses. Now I haven't had a chance to go out and {D: visit it.} Tried twice. And that's the {D: prettiest thing.} {X} They gotta {D: race} some of them horses. {X} {D: Now they come up} {X} {D: and we gotta go pick 'em up}. {D: And then is this} just like you {D: stepping}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: And} {D: and after they get trained} you just wanna see them race. Interviewer: Yeah? 505: Yeah that's {X}, {D: but they ain't it}. And they get trained now. They ain't got them {D: weights on their back to break them. You know I ain't got} {X} {D: put 'em back on make 'em} {D: try to put them on the back.} {D: Well that's a pretty thing}. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well let me ask you about a few e- expressions. Let's say if uh {X} we have to do something together you- you would say not just one of us has to do this, but? 505: Both of us. Interviewer: Or what about if uh you and another man were coming over to see me, you would say that and are coming over. 505: Huh? {D: How you saying how you said that}? Interviewer: {D: You'd say} what if you just wanted to refer to another man? You know not call him by his name? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You'd do it- you just might say that 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: #1 I and my # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: friend's coming over to visit you. Interviewer: Okay. Or what about if, let's say, you came up to the door and knocked on the door? And I I knew that it was you, but I couldn't see you cause the door's closed? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And I said who's that? You'd just say oh it's? 505: Oh it's. {X} Interviewer: Or if you didn't wanna u- if you didn't just use you name you might just say it's? It's just? 505: A friend? Interviewer: Okay or, let's see uh, how else could you possibly say it? It's a friend or it's {X} or you could just say it's... you know like, like if I know who it is, and I can recognize your voice. You might just say aw it's just? 505: Me. Interviewer: Okay. What about, talking about how tall you are, comparing how tall you are to somebody else, you might say that he isn't as tall as? 505: He's not- he- he's not as tall as I. Interviewer: Well what about if uh, uh, {D: again} talking about how tall you are, you might say well, I'm not as tall as? 505: I'm not as tall as {D: he}. Interviewer: Or, talking about {C: noise} how well you can do something, you might say well, he can do it better than? 505: {D: Better than that}. Interviewer: Well what about if a man had been {D: running} for about two miles and after two miles he just had to stop. You'd say that- that two miles is a? 505: {D: Long journey}. Interviewer: {D: Most he could go or} farthest he could go or something like #1 that? # 505: #2 Yeah. # He uh- uh- uh- uh two miles is a long journey and I figured he just about had {D: give out.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: #1 And I know he would have. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {X} Interviewer: That's true. okay if a {D: if something belonged me} I'd say that that's? 505: You'd say that's {D: mine}. Interviewer: {D: And if- if} something belongs to you, you'd say that's? 505: I'd say that's- that's mine. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Or if something- if something belonged to him, you'd say that's? 505: That's his. Interviewer: Belongs to her you say that's? 505: That's hers. Interviewer: If it belongs to them you say? 505: That's their- that's theirs Interviewer: Okay. Well what about if- if some people {X} have come to visit you, and you- and they're about to leave, you'd- what would you say to them if you wanted them to come back sometime? 505: {D: I'd say well} come back to see me again. Interviewer: Okay. Well what about if a? {X} {C: muffled speech} Interviewer: Nothing like a good ol' {D: pool} of water on a hot day. Okay I was asking you if a group of people came to see you in the same car and uh and you looked outside and noticed that the lights were on what might you tell 'em? 505: {D: What might I tell 'em?} If the light is on I said who is that? If I didn't know who they were. Interviewer: Oh well I'm talking about if they were already in your house you see and they left their car parked and you noticed that they had left 505: #1 the lights on, what would you do? # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # 505: I saw yeah you had you left your lights on go out and turn 'em off. Interviewer: Do you ever say, I know you you probably say y'all {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Oh excuse me that's wrong} Interviewer: Oh no not necessarily. {C: laughing} If uh what about a do you ever say uh would would you pa- might you say something like uh uh the lights on y'all's car? 505: #1 The light that's on the car? # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Say something like is that's y'all's car? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Yeah. Interviewer: You would say something like that? 505: I would say is that i-is that's y'all's car y'all left the lights #1 on? # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # Let's say that that uh some people you know at the end of a party and you hadn't been able to go 505: Yeah. Interviewer: and you wanted to know everybody who was there you would ask, what would you ask them? 505: Well uh there's uh uh someone definitely liable to know what they {X} {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: {X} You went to party? Interviewer: {D: Oh yeah.} 505: And was uh Frank at the party? Interviewer: Well what about if you were asking you know just in general, {NW} you might say you know not asking about anybody specifically {C: rooster crowing} but you might say well who? 505: Who all was at the party? Interviewer: Or let's say that you couldn't get to church on Sunday for some reason. And you were asking somebody afterwards what the preacher had to say? 505: Yeah. Interviewer: Everything they said, you'd ask 505: I would ask as uh who was this to? What was he preaching about? Interviewer: Or maybe you said you you said you might say ask who all was there, do you think you might say well what all did he say? Or what all did he have to say? 505: Yeah. Interviewer: Something like that? 505: Mm. Interviewer: Let's say this is uh, another expression. You might say well, {C: rooster crowing} if no one else will look after them, {C: rooster crowing} you'd say that they've got to look out for? {NS} 505: If no one else {X} {C: noise} what you mean uh {C: noise} it was like someone was sick or something? {C: noise} {NS} Interviewer: Right. But just say a group of people talking about 'em together. You might say about 'em well, if no one else will look after 'em, they've got to look after? 505: I'll do the best I can I'll do what I can for them. Interviewer: Or maybe just they've got to look after #1 themselves or # 505: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: #1 something like that # 505: #2 they uh. # And then, if nobody else will care for them now they'll do the best they can for theirself. Interviewer: Or you might say uh if no one else will do it 505: #1 Excuse me here. # Interviewer: #2 Sure. # 505: #1 {NS} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: {X} Interviewer: Oh! Okay. Should've brought a handkerchief or something. {NS} 505: I'm still sitting there I can't say nothing cause that's what's there. Every night {D: you been sitting there lemonade a cold.} Interviewer: Okay. 505: And I ain't been sitting in there one minute and I saw your yeah I don't know you's been {X} my sister in law she can go out there and come back in why don't you do that I said get {X} {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: Yeah. {D: I bet about doing that.} It's something you can't help though. 505: {D: Uh um that's good for for your your your your storm- and uh} {C: rooster crowing} and you're {X} it see that's good for you. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Pulling this gig. That's what Diamond told me. Used to tell me all day I said that to you on {X} {D: so I can play it up on they said it ain't good for you.} I really don't {X} {D: I said} {X} {D: you wanna sitting here this silly thing just.} you need me ready {D: I wasn't getting all sweaty and nippy and after I got up in age I went to sweating so bad.} {X} {D: Sure did.} Interviewer: Kinda cools you off you know. 505: Yeah it does it that sweat the thing that cools you off {D: and um being in front I always could shop fast.} I get out and get them with a {D: There's a nippy allowance to come up with jean doing now} {X} She could be there one of those people kind like at in the Bible {D: that's not.} both teams gonna need a piece of game. {X} {D: I need people.} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {X} {D: You ain't done nothing this time I been I beat you} {X} I said Mama one day I would have theorized if I'm being one to you I'm gonna beat you {D: I said I ain't gonna let you beat me if I have to tear my papers up.} She didn't take it up you know. She said Baby it, you ain't cut out to do everything said you riding a horse in your driveway and saw you cutting wood you do everything the boys said you can't do everything or I'm gonna beat you one of these things you got She said well I ain't got another child here to beat. Said one day there would be a be a bunch of trips at night. {X} {X} {D: Now Jordan about to leave us} some kind of {X} like I fixed it in our church and I said I needs to be kinda as oh I am so sleepy {D: she said oh maybe today's a good day for you to beat me to pick me} {X} I said well I guess so. I went back in the house I had some little ol' plates that I put them {D: plants on} {X} {D: I said well get your date night} I hadn't got a hundred {D: and eighty-nine and nine looking like I couldn't get two hundred to save my life.} {D: She Mama filled trying the day to day} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: And that day, do you know what I repeat that day?} Two hundred and thirty-two pounds tackle {NS} {C:whistle} Sure did. {D: She said I knew I knew the greenage to just wait and see you can p-} {D: so you pick a while and then you go ahead and you roll them play and see} {D: and that that means that I beat you} {NW} {C: laughter} {D: She said now that I beat you I'll get another baby} {D: and hydrate or pick which three are going} Interviewer: {X} 505: Oh Mama. {X} {D: Who's there is the back in the back yawning I know that them.} {X} {X} {NW} {D: Until I think these {X} {D: always have been selling.} She got two hundred two three things {D: my bed kinda creaking man too.} {X} If you got in very back of the house yeah I might not back in my bed see you get so much {D: trouble.} {D: They've authorized Ms. Kennedy Jacqueline's too} {D: and I was trying that children's like this and sitting on the back you know} taking him in the house. And we hit a hole and we stacked him in a tree {X} we got a heaving and he was hollering at us {D: one of his feet caught his toe caught his in the cup of his pants} {D: and now he's bringing two hundred and I'm gonna be his nothing then.} {X} {D: He's turning that chair when I turn that chair and sweeping up the kids} here before he does heart and I pulled a muscle in my back. And when I hollered son and Mama's eating suddenly he jumped up and {X} let the man out. Mama said come here let's get her and Daddy done fell and she done caught him. And then he got to the tree he said Nita said I hope you {X} {X} {X} {X} By the way there were two hundred. {X} And I {X} {X} {X} And then he knocks and he just kind of snatch me buy me a kitchen buy me bowling you know the chairs was coming with him I didn't try to catch the chair I just caught him keeping you know from hitting her hard. {D: And I hit him head on and someone got that} he said you're hurting? he said you wanna go to the doctor? {X} Got a different stuff than on my back and he kept on getting in trouble he said doctor doctor you know how he say that she's got a pulled muscle infected she got that between {X} {D: and the older she gets it must be as now in my back get me something.} {X} Every time I cough in my throat and my head here so and something some kind of color {X} I missed your back {X} {X} {NS} Interviewer: Let me ask you this. Let's say uh you might say if no one else will do it for her you say he'd better do it? 505: Hisself. Interviewer: Tell me about different types of {D: breads that stove out.} 505: Oh yes well I know about {D: this is bread, bread.} Cornbread. Flapjacks that's bread. And uh wheat bread that's light bread true enough that's wheat bread {D: that's about the biggest types I know.} Interviewer: You mentioned flapjacks, have you ever heard people call those anything else? 505: Yes, some folk call them things pancakes. Interviewer: Pancakes? {X} Talking about pancakes #1 you hear? # 505: #2 Yeah. # Yeah pancakes that's uh I see 'em make them oh I never did like none of that poppy seed like little. {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {X} 505: {X} But I never did like it when they put it you know you can plop 'em over that grease it {X} {D: go on top of it but} that's too much grease for me Yeah but he he liked them like that you get that solid molasses you know used to raise? And he could just take that fork and cut that bread like it {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: Uh-huh. {D: And they was crazy about.} {X} Interviewer: You mentioned cornbread uh have you ever heard of any type of cornbread that people talk about making maybe on a board at a part of the fireplace? Or something like #1 that? # 505: #2 Ash cake. # Interviewer: Ash cake? Really made it in ashes? 505: Mm-hmm. I saw it. Another famous and my grandma grandmother said that too. {X} Have a stove and things {D: to fish and cook on.} {D: She uh said you} {X} You're brewing sweeping mashing {X} and you take that make that bread up hot water bread up you make it up with hot water and uh some people put a little grease in the mound I always see grandmother {X} {X} put it down in and take them ashes then they seal them ashes between put them ash on top of there don't you know that's some good bread. Interviewer: I like it a little bit. 505: {X} That uh the mash to make that bread taste so good and then they get it and it get done good and brown they take it out and get in some film nice clean rag and wrap that them ashes on. And you you ain't never eaten that have? Interviewer: Ash cake? 505: Uh-huh. I don't believe it's ever taste good to me. Interviewer: {D: I don't believe it.} 505: {X} I'm surprised that nobody imagined it to do for your bread. Interviewer: Seems like it wouldn't do much. Seems like it would make it taste bad to me. 505: Nu-uh I did I thought it too. But it got the best taste. And uh one day uh she sitting there talking about it I said {X} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: She said Imma learn you make sure you know how to make them let you make them And uh my daddy ever stated. {X} And then that's why daddy. {X} {NW} {D: He came in just about time my grandmother got this bread.} {X} {NW} He said she said I wanna learn everything I know so when she get grown she know what to do. And when you jet out it's always good. And she told me what it means and right here where my house is now {D: this is where she get in for the cabin crossing} {D: this is why I got my spot over in their hairs so} {X} {D: I never did get nowhere.} {X} {D: She was sitting there and she said} {X} {X} she had a little strip right back to her house there's a ditch between then {D: my son now he may come in behind and} {D: Lord he just} {X} and she and this troop of {X} {D: and she'd be throwing that cat in the knife.} {X} {D: She said God bless you} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} {X} you know what people saying? I find with somebody there see she make me feel her. {X} Paula said she said {X} I'm gonna get you in the dead of night. She said now what you gonna do with the rest of your month I said uh I'm gonna buy them my man she said good. What'd you say? I said I'm gonna buy with with Mama {X} Mama and who? I said Papa and Bill's uh. She said what you gonna get there? I {D: said I'm gonna give them a half a bed and I'm gonna take the other bed.} She said {NW} {D: So they read you won hadn't you?} Usually uh {X} {X} I said now I put more money in the bank and I said when they need somebody to share it with she said I didn't think he'd even miss it. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # {D: And instead she} {D: she told Paula} she said, you know what? As long as I'm gonna be old, Lord, {D: and then she said I know because you're ready} {D: and she said she's gonna come over to your house.} Said she gonna wear everything. {D: Right to the T.} But I did her dress and I couldn't have sewed anything she {X} shoot {X} and then they paying not that deal she could cook that mess and pudding she'd make 'em put it in a painting when it get done it be ready at. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: They kept talking about doing that and I never put the} {X} Interviewer: Talking about molasses is there anything else people called that? 505: Some of 'em called it a sorghum molasses some of 'em call it syrup. Interviewer: Is that the same thing? #1 Molasses and # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: #1 sorghum syrup? # 505: #2 Uh-huh. # {D: And then the a- all you buy now is different kind of circular some of 'em sent invitations some of them.} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And some sets uh without I have never seen someone that'll vote it tasted just like real like sorghum molasses they have invitation now that is. {X} They have the sorghum mirror {D: pure gold thing now.} Or they're. {X} Interviewer: Talking about corn bread what do you call these big round and it's about about that size and? 505: {X} Interviewer: {D: Now would you} they cook it in a #1 pan with # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #1 so many holes in it? # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: Well what about these aren't muf- muffins, but they're they're shaped like little balls? Have onion in them, uh #1 you know # 505: #2 oh # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {D: yes I've seen} # Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {X} # {X} Fish sticks though. Interviewer: Fish stick? 505: Mm-hmm. Now some of them {D: someone did some of 'em came in a ball} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And I got a little over a. {NS} {NS} {NS} {NS} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Uh-huh. Eh? Now that's what you can cook. {NW} {X} Interviewer: I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. 505: Oh you hadn't. {NS} {D: And and many a people been trying to buy up the rest of this antique stuff.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: And I'll use this stuff to better pack {D: that old mission in this safe here and you then use these jars in another safe} {D: Uh-huh.} Interviewer: Now this is, this isn't the same thing as uh, talking like a hush puppy is? 505: No it could {X} anything like they like you talking about them {D: long.} {D: And throwing and everything in.} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And you can just cook {D: straight out corn bread in here I cooked some now} the corn sticks in here. Uh-huh just like I got {X} some time I got greens or something like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I could sit there I could sit in here. So one day a man asks me he said ain't you gonna break that bar shed I said mm-mm. He said I'm about to have that kitchen grill by my side {D: but I was tricking you but I'm not giving it up.} {NW} Interviewer: I wouldn't either #1 {D: I hadn't ever seen I I hadn't seen any} # 505: #2 No? # Interviewer: {D: thing like that.} 505: See him? Interviewer: {X} {C:dog barking in background} 505: {X} {C: dog barking in background} {X} {C: dog barking in background} {NS} {C: dog barking} {NS} Let me see uh {NS} {X} I missed somebody come in Aux: yeah uh I used uh my mother when my mother passed 505: just then I feel I had never. {NS} My mother had all kind of {X} {D: I had many} {X} one of them. {X} {NS} And my Mama {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {X} I won't come and everything. I'll go go somewhere and eat. Get so much trouble. {X} {X} {X} A man came on here been back. Mm-hmm he'd been about a month ago now that and I had this man he stood me up {D: tell you the truth} {X} {NW} and he you know he give me three {X} three pieces. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: {X} {D: he said he tried his best} {X} and he certainly won't. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: He said if you had just let me have {D: that had a little thing no more.} {D: He called me to him and} {D: and he said if you'd just let me have} {X} {D: I'd give you ten dollars for it.} {X} And he said now do you go ahead and do you {D: and I goes} I said mm-hmm. {NW} {C: laughter} {D: He said using messages said} I said if you want it that badly. Here's a thing that looks just like it had another hole in it can of {X} just like that and it did now. {X} just to the middle of that. But he could carry three glasses on. {X} And he liked it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he can reach {X} He said he ain't never seen nothing like it before. {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: He said what are you gonna do I said {X} well now you know. Interviewer: Well let me ask you, have you ever seen any kind of cornbread that was made uh deep pan and it's pretty soft, almost as, so soft you could just kinda spoon it out you know almost like mashed potatoes? 505: Cornbread? Interviewer: You got a kind of cornbread like that? 505: No I have seen cush made like that. It's made like corn bread with onions and um banana sometimes you can put that um sage in it and black pepper. Now yes I've seen cush made like that before. Interviewer: Yeah have you ever heard of anything called spoon bread? 505: Uh-huh. Now that's made out of that's made out of sorghum molasses now that's {D: what Mrs. Norm called it.} we called it corn bread pudding. Interviewer: {NW} 505: Have you ever eaten any of that? Interviewer: {X} 505: Well now I've tried everything but that's one thing I've never tried to cook. {D: That old lady was named Mo Smith Stevis.} {X} my daddy used to eat {X} out of the woods and he died. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: She cooked she cooked this corn bread pudding and I'm telling you she would give us if you hadn't got a piece of it you'd be mowing some hope. Interviewer: {NS} 505: And my mother would cook it but I have never tried and she said that's the only thing that she know that I seen Peter cook that I didn't look like I could make it {X} I tried one and it wouldn't even come out right and I throwed it in the slop. {NW} {C:laughter} Well you see you're in a bit of a mess now. Said you didn't make it right like your Mama told you see you put too much shortening in. But mine didn't taste like hers and I never did try no more. But she could make the best corn bread pudding with sorghum molasses. She put so much sorghum molasses and she put no sugar in it. {X} And she put eggs in it. And she put the shortening. #1 It just smelled like a cake but # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: But there's sorghum molasses in that corn bread you don't know how good that taste. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of anything called a corn dodger? 505: No. Interviewer: {X} 505: {X} What is that? Interviewer: I'm not sure what it is, it's, it seems to be different things to different people what you call a uh a corn stick or uh or fish stick #1 something like that, # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: some people call corn dodgers #1 some people. # 505: #2 That's I imagine # that's about the same thing as something like a muffin like #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Mm. # 505: in that I imagine so. Interviewer: What about okay. 505: Oh yeah. {X} {X} One day. {X} {D: But you couldn't hear what.} {X} {D: It's a flour bread} {D: you know I don't want no cornbread} {X} I said {X} {D: I said what I did tonight?} {D: He said nah you too.} {X} Interviewer: #1 Yeah. # 505: #2 {NW} {C: laughter} # Interviewer: Some people say that they're really only two kinds of bread, there's a the homemade bread and then there's a kind that you buy at the store that's called a the uh homemade bread and you got? 505: Light bread and what? Interviewer: Just light bread? You ever heard of people call that store bought bread or bought bread? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about this uh these things that you make out of out of batter? And you fry 'em in deep fat and they have a hole right in the middle of them? 505: Oh I know it {X} are you talking about uh donuts? Interviewer: Have you ever heard of taking some donut batter and just dipping it in the deep fat? and cooking it that way? 505: No I haven't I tell you what I'll be frank with you I haven't saw {X} donuts cooked in my life. {D: But if you're gonna give me the recipe then I promise you that I was gonna cook it.} But I've never tried it but I believe I can. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: I haven't had uh I haven't had gosh a home homemade donut in ages probably hadn't had it more than one or two times. 505: Well I tell you what I got a I got a niece that need a {X} {D: in a bakery now she looked at me she make.} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: She made a batch of 'em when she come here and she said to me {X} {D: did you ever make me a} {D: seminole cake?} {D: And I said I poured so much food in all that stuff} But she said I know you can cook in any kind of kitchen you want but I want you to cook this. I said no you're gonna have to show me how you cook it. Now tell me how you cook it. I said damn near tried. She said you want me to bring you on? I said. {X} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: And she cooked it. And uh she called me the other day and she says have you tried that cake I said no I haven't. {D: Since I got up in my seventies see if I cook a whole cake for myself} {D: if the kids ain't out of school they'll come by here with {X} children and eat it up. It's just a waste, and I don't do that. {D: You know just like I} {X} something like that like. Or the family that'll come for the funeral. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} This knee by myself {D: and I hardly ever bake a cake.} {D: I cooked that boy} {D: that boy what I told you} {X} and he uh {X} and he said. What did you put in this pie? I same thing I guess you put in yours mm-hmm. He said that's the best pie 'cause all you can cook. I said you said that because. {X} Until you get back. {NW} I I used to love to cook but since after my mom's husband. {X} {D: It makes a difference.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {X} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: So tell me when you make bread, what is that stuff that you put in the bread to make it rise? 505: Well if you've got straight flour you put your pinch of soda and baking powder and salt. And if you just got self-rising flour you put your shortening and your shortening in it. {X} Interviewer: Is there anything else you could put in it to make it rise? 505: No, no more than baking powder and soda. Interviewer: What about yeast? 505: Oh you use yeast when you're making light bread. Interviewer: Oh. Well what about? 505: My mother used to make light bread all the time. That's one thing I hadn't tried. Interviewer: What about the two parts of an egg, you got the white and the? 505: And the yolk. Interviewer: What color is it? 505: The the the yolk is the white and then the the yellow. Interviewer: What about some different ways to cook an egg that you know about? 505: Oh you can poach eggs. You can scramble 'em. You can uh flip 'em. {D: And then uh even if you want to poach 'em in water.} {X} {X} Then turn it over. Interviewer: {NW} 505: {X} Interviewer: What do you call that piece of meat that you make to go along into the greens? {X} 505: {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: You can have the fat off the shoulder or the fat off the head. Interviewer: Yeah I was trying to ask you if that had a lot of lean on it or not? 505: Uh th-that ham was the one that. {X} Interviewer: What about this is a a type of meat that a lot of people like to eat for breakfast it comes in slices you know and? 505: {X} Bacon? Interviewer: Now is that the same what if you wanted to buy a lot of it and you didn't want to get it sliced, you might buy yourself a whole? 505: You can there buy your whole self a whole slab. Interviewer: Now is smoked meat the same thing as bacon? {NS} 505: Well it's smoked bacon they smoke uh {X} {D: middling meat.} Now you can you can you can smoke your ham. That George and Billie used to smoke uh. {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: Now I just use the {X} salt because. {X} But um uh that come with something like that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {NW} {C: cough} Interviewer: What what about if your meat's been kept too long, you'd say that it's now what? 505: Oh it done got strong. And then got rancid, {D: something's eating the meat.} Rancid now rancid and strong's the same thing. Interviewer: {D: Old?} 505: No it's not strong, it just done got old and here if you hang it up and my meat I've got mine in deep freeze. Interviewer: It's not necessary to spoil 'em? 505: Nah there ain't no spoiling it's. {X} {X} We had him cut some and I take mine down boil the knife. Interviewer: {X} 505: Mm-hmm. Now now now I could've uh let me see I coulda showed him {D: what's he gonna show let me see.} Interviewer: Okay. Tell me about what you can make for with uh the meat from a hog's head? 505: {D: Oh you can make souse salad} you can take the head and the ears and the feet and make souse. Interviewer: {NW} 505: Take that meat and cook it all to pieces and take it {D: you don't want to grind but it's not that you take a hand and work in it.} But when you grind it it's just falls to mush you know when you cook it {X} {X} Your sage and your black pepper if you like a little red like it hot you can put red pepper in it. Cayenne pepper. And put it squeeze it up real good then you put it in a con- in a container {D: I get it thick as you want it as thin as you want it.} And let it sit there until it. {X} {X} {X} Interviewer: Have you ever heard souse called head cheese? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Same thing? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about making something by grinding up hog liver and uh cooking it, you ever heard of anything like that? 505: No. Interviewer: Beg pardon? 505: I begged pardon, I asked you, what did you say? Interviewer: Have you ever heard of making anything by cooking it and grinding up hog liver? 505: No. Or. Yes I did. I take that back. Some people would make {X} {X} we called it. We put onions and {D: vinegar} and peppers and whatnot. Take that vinegar and put it in there and they call it uh what they call that stuff? {X} Was ready to come back from uh. {X} {X} {D: But I laughed.} I said {X} I said I like beef. {X} {X} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: She said I likes the way you cook it. She said I haven't been able to eat here tonight that you cook. I says that I just used fried egg and Crisco I said I made a gravy too and and put some onions in it. She says I I watched you and how you cooked that I says yeah-huh that's that's the way my mother taught me to cook it and she got this other one cooked all to pieces. {X} And uh now how she worked it up cause I {X} {D: come back up.} I imagined she had went {D: and still not gonna give you the sides.} But she put all these ingredients in there {D: and I ain't gonna tell you no story.} {X} Onions and she put sage in there. Black pepper and garlic they're in there too. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: #1 {D: Now she} # Interviewer: #2 Now tell. # 505: she was fixing to. {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: So tell me, have you ever heard of anybody making something out of hog's blood? 505: I have heard talk of it but I've never seen it. Well wha- what could it be? Interviewer: I don't know, it doesn't sound too appetizing to me. 505: And oh me neither but they tell me {D: they'll keep that hog blood in for something like that.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. And what about, have you ever taken or have you ever heard of anybody taking the juice from the souse and mixing it up with some corn meal and some hard meat maybe and and uh cooking it and then uh maybe after it gets cold, slicing it up and frying it that way? 505: {X} Interviewer: {X} Okay what about if if you kept your butter too long and it doesn't taste good #1 you'd say it's? # 505: #2 It's rancid. # Interviewer: {D: Rancid?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard anybody say that their butter had a funky taste #1 or something like that? # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # They said {X} Interviewer: Is that right? 505: {X} {X} Uh we called it {X} You {X} just like that butter. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And uh most of that if you ain't. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what about, what do you call thick sour milk that you might keep around the kitchen to make things out of? 505: Thick sour milk? Oh you can make gravy out of it if it's not too sour. If it's too sour then your {D: bread is still soggy.} {D: You can take it round} {D: take it right out of there.} And make uh make a bread you can take sour bread that's kind of milk kind of sour and if you use a good kind of {D: good biscuit making} put your {D: you season that right you got some good fluffy biscuits.} Interviewer: You ever heard people call that clabber? 505: Yeah. That's when they {X} the cream from the top. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and the clabber is at the bottom. {D: I reckon it's just something.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: Don't go talking about that {X} Interviewer: #1 {NW} {C: laughter} # 505: #2 {NW} {C: laughter} # Interviewer: Well have you ever heard of people making stuff like can you make cottage cheese out of that? 505: Yes. Out of uh-huh. {D: You use uh} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: It's some kind of {X} get in there and get them things. I really done forgotten everything about how we made it. But uh we made that in the home {X} Interviewer: {NW} Uh-huh. Well what about after you've just uh? 505: You want some more? {X} Interviewer: No I'm okay. Uh what about after you've just uh milked a cow and you wanna get the impurities out, what do you have to do with that? 505: Well just like if you milked your milk Uh-uh when you're well when you milk your milk. {X} In the in the beginning {X} keep your. {X} And on occasion {D: make your cows so happy.} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And you should have a pile that you use to start {D: if there was some kind of} {X} {D: that you thought was} {X} you know it's really light this time of year. Let go until you milk and uh sometime they may becomes a. {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {NW} But you keep to that {X} to your cows. And then if you find milk. Interviewer: {X} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what you know some people will pour their milk through a kind of a fine wire #1 mesh to get # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: the impurities out? 505: #1 {D: Yeah you could say that.} # Interviewer: #2 {D: What do you call that?} # 505: I know you using that to dairy I forget what it's called. {X} {X} But anyway they if any germ in there they're supposed to pour it through that thing in the kitchen. And uh if they're milking right they're gonna use it. Interviewer: But they they'll say that? 505: They got a thing like some momma they. {D: They'll have had their strain and} {X} {D: strain their milk.} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about something that you might make out of make might make for dessert? Let's say out of, might make it in a deep dish with uh slices of fruit and it has a thick crust on top? Not exactly a pie but something like it? 505: What you mean uh what you call them things? That uh I was talking with you about that the other day {D: the one that} {X} you mean made out of fruit? Uh. Interviewer: Has fruit in it, you know just like a pie will? 505: Yeah you call them a. {NW} {X} {X} What do you call them thing? You slice it {D: real slices though.} Is this what you're talking about? Interviewer: It's like what? 505: What you talking about like when you're out here making a #1 it's like. # Interviewer: #2 It's got sliced fruit in it # 505: Uh-huh Well I mean when you go to eat it do you have to dip it out or do you slice it? Interviewer: Mm. You could uh most people most people at uh the times I've just you know dip it out with a spoon. 505: Oh you must be talking about something like a peach pie or something aren't you? Interviewer: Peach #1 cobbler? # 505: #2 A pie? # Yes or there might be a pie, something like that that's uh Interviewer: Mm. 505: that's what you're talking about here. {D: You put a crust on.} Interviewer: Yeah alright. 505: Oh That's a blackberry pie, {D: a paying pie.} And got juice in there. Interviewer: A pie and a cobbler are the same thing? 505: Mm-hmm {D: I don't know} {D: that crust just on top and here.} Yeah closer there yeah go on through there when you make a cobbler and when you make a pie you get uh {D: what is it at button is on top} and the juice and uh and then uh wherever fruit in there is in between there but you sweeten it and put your flavor and the butter in now and uh put the sugar in there and then you cause the top of it it's gonna get in there and brown and then you cut down through that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Oh wee. 505: {D: You like blackberry pie?} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: {D: Yeah?} I like some {X} myself. I made a cute one the other day. {X} {X} {D: I said I know where I'm gonna do with mines.} {X} Interviewer: Before I left for college. 505: {NW} Interviewer: Before I left home #1 {D: and I put some} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: some friends and I and we picked some huckleberries. 505: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 But yeah # you can make a pie, cobbler out of that. 505: What kind of berry? Interviewer: Huckleberry. 505: Huckleberry. Interviewer: Y'all have those around here? 505: Uh-uh. Interviewer: They're kinda like a blackberry. 505: {NW} {C: coughing} Are they large? Interviewer: They're smaller than blackberries. Takes more of 'em. Little round things. {NS} 505: They're little old bitty things ain't they? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And they're black. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I saw 'em at {X} but I didn't know what they were. {NW} {C: coughing} And {X} the backyard. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Uh and it was a kind of slope you know out back a house and then some of them there they {D: reached that.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And they would go down and pick 'em and make pies but I didn't know what it was too little. But may I ask you this? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Now you saw a berry when they get ripe it's white Interviewer: {X} 505: What kind of berry is that? Interviewer: I don't know that there is one. 505: I have picked it. My cousin when I was three seemed like my mother good for a. {X} And he handed me his garden but I never seen them since and before neither. When they get when they get uh uh they but just about color they take and you got when they get ripe. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And do you know they want a green berry? I oh I I I I couldn't sit over here and name them but he had 'em in his garden. And there was a good bit. Interviewer: {D: I don't know what.} {X} 505: #1 I don't know # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: I ain't seen none of 'em before and since neither. It was at his house and he was a doctor and he had them berries. But she used to {X} and she was a colored woman and and she's dating. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Just like {X} {D: their mother and cook for it.} {D: And he said my nightmare is this.} Interviewer: Well let me ask you, what about if somebody had a a real good appetite, you might say well he sure does like to put away his? 505: His food. Interviewer: You ever hear of people say he likes to put away his vittles? 505: Yeah I sure do. [NW} {C: laughter} You sure telling the truth everybody in here uses that yeah. Interviewer: {NW} {C: laughs} 505: Yeah they sure do. {X} Interviewer: What about let's say if you had some gingerbread or something like that, what do you call that that sweet uh liquid that you might pour over it when you serve it? That's some kind of? 505: Oh uh sometime you can make uh ambrosia. Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 To # pour a little of that. And then sometimes you can make a syrup. Like when my mother used to cook us a. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} {D: She would go down to cook that and then she'd have a syrup.} That she would take uh she would take milk and eggs and maybe stir it up. And uh put sugar in it and flavoring you're talking about good that's good. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And I imagine that's just about what they use {D: with all that.} Yeah. Interviewer: What do you call food that you eat between meals? Say you're gonna have a what? 505: Snack. Interviewer: A snack? Yeah. And uh {NS} what about if uh you have some people over to eat and everybody was just standing around the table you might tell them well why don't you just go ahead and? 505: Serve yourself or I'm gonna serve you {X} style. Interviewer: Or if they were still standing up, you might just tell them well just go ahead and? 505: And sit down and eat. Interviewer: Okay. Well what about if somebody offered you something that you didn't really want you might say to 'em what? 505: I thank you. I would tell them thank you because I'll go ahead and have it. {D: Or if you ain't got to take it you ain't got that} just keep it if you don't want it. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And sometime now if you ask {D: and just like you offered me something I have} I said well I already got this but uh if you'll give it to me I'll appreciate it. Interviewer: What do you call food that's been uh cooked and served a second time? 505: Leftovers. Interviewer: {X} And you say the food's been? 505: Reheated. Reheat. Interviewer: Or warmed over maybe? 505: Yeah warmed. {X} Interviewer: What do you do when you put food in your mouth and uh? 505: Chew? Interviewer: Chew it? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Did you tell me about uh anything like uh yeah you did, talking about cush? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Something like that? # The same thing some people call mush? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh-huh okay. What about uh oh oh I don't know this stuff that that a lot of people here in the south like to eat, especially for breakfast? Uh made out of uh oh and you know it's served with sausage and eggs and it's made out of ground corn? You know it's boiled? #1 {D: About white colored?} # 505: #2 {NW} # Uh uh it uh Says it was made out of corn? Interviewer: Yes ma'am. White colored, some people put butter on it and. 505: And it's not hominy, is it? Interviewer: Hominy, well that's kind of whole uh. 505: Whole grain. Interviewer: Yeah. This is ground up real fine you know like that. 505: I don't know it. Interviewer: Like grits? 505: Unless, I know we got a {D: peas}, and they got grits. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: They got grits, now grits is uh they tell me another {X} but I don't know what it is I got a uh. Interviewer: It's uh. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Uh. 505: Then there are l-lots of people like that but I I used to I used to have to eat 'em when I was in the hospital. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: But uh {D: I never did.} {X} Interviewer: Well what about uh along with your meat or a meal you might have potatoes or what else would be good with meat? 505: Oh yes certainly there's some kind of. {X} And be careful called now {D: bring us tea.} Something like that would be good. Now if you want a really good {X} {D: you'd get you some uh} cook that ham just on that pocket over that grease in there good cooked good in it and pour the most of the grease outta there and pour you a little water in there and make that brown gravy you know. {D: And then stir in them eggs like that.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And get you some good kitchen syrup you got a little. {X} Interviewer: What's something else that you might pour gravy over? 505: Fried chicken. Interviewer: Chicken or? 505: {X} Interviewer: Or what else, what kind of grain? You know it's white stuff and grains or Uncle Ben's uh? {X} 505: I still junk like that I don't I don't hardly eat. {X} {D: I have wasted for people.} Interviewer: Do you like rice? 505: Mm-hmm. {X} Now that's one {D:thing} I I used to love. Interviewer: What about if I had a belt that was made out of cow hide, it was pure cow hide and nothing else? I might tell somebody now this isn't artificial cow hide, it's? 505: Real hide. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Or it's it's um {C: background noise} it's you know I might say it's genu-? 505: Genuine leather? Interviewer: {NS} This is something else that you might uh put on your biscuits besides syrup you know made out of uh different kinds of fruit, you can spread it on something like that, what? 505: {D: Simple syrup, wouldn't the type?} Interviewer: Syrup or this isn't exactly, well it might, it's kind of like preserves, but it's? 505: Jell-o. Interviewer: Or. 505: {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: I have taken grapes on there like that} Interviewer: {NW} 505: Wednesday night. I mixed Jell-o and. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} I don't care for him. Interviewer: {NW} What about if uh if uh I don't know, if you were trying to tell me where somebody lived you might, might you might say well he doesn't live here, close by, he lives? 505: Further down the road. Interviewer: Or you might in telling somebody how to do something you might say well don't do it that way, do it? 505: This way. Interviewer: And what about uh if you have a lot of fruit trees say a lot of peach trees together you'd say you have a what? 505: I have 'em uh uh in a cluster's too close together. If you got 'em running at ends at least from one to the other but they shouldn't be so close they touch each other they should have a distance. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of people calling that an orchard? 505: Mm-hmm. Now my son, say my grandmother used to help feed him. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he was so close to getting him to {X} {D: you're getting trees croaching in} {D: most too close together like uh pencils.} Interviewer: {X} 505: {D: And she'd come} {D: and when she was sitting in the house he was small.} {D: And she didn't give him distance growing up from under that.} {X} {X} {X} {D: Daddy come near home and told us that most of this tree} {D: has been uh} {X} {D: by the others so bad I'm gonna cut it down she said no.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And the yard in the back yard front yard. {X} {D: It's full.} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I got me a. {X} Interviewer: What about, I'd like to say something like uh when I was a boy, my father was poor. But next door was a boy? 505: Rich. Interviewer: What what about some of the different types of fruits you have growing around here? 505: All we have are apples. Peaches. And uh plums. Some of 'em have a {D: well you mean peach trees have been built then are sun too they just pass one and they die.} And the figs and uh pears. And uh we raise them so there are {D:tame Greek around the church barrel.} {X} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 Did you ever hear # 505: #2 And. # Interviewer: of what kind of fruit tree it was that George Washington was supposed to have chopped down? 505: Yes sir the cherry tree right there. Interviewer: What do you call it, the hard part the inside part of the cherry? 505: The part of {D:a cherry hurts?} Interviewer: That, that hard thing that you might break a tooth on #1 if you bit down on? # 505: #2 Mm-mm. # Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about the inside of a peach, that's it? 505: That's the core. Interviewer: That's what? 505: That's a core. Interviewer: Oh yeah. You know, there there's some kind of peaches that uh you know {NW} the fruit is real tight against the? 505: Mm-hmm that's the. {X} Interviewer: And the other type is? 505: {X} That's freestone. Interviewer: {NW} {NS} When what, and after you eat an apple, what's that part that's left? 505: Core. That's why you, that's why it's like the seeds in there you can plant that core. And uh sometime the tree will come up and then most time you just plant that whole apple here and that apple'd rot away and we'd come back and we'd, if that. {X} Interviewer: Well let me ask you, have you ever heard of uh uh cutting up some apples or peaches and letting parts dry? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is there anything special you'd call that? 505: Mm-hmm dried peaches. Interviewer: Just dried peach? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay. 505: We used to dry apples. Really. When we were little children we lived out {X} this way. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: We all {D: would stand in a big orchard.} Love we'd get them apples and we'd peel 'em and just slice 'em kind of thin Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: We'd get up on the shed and spread some down on there and put 'em on that tin in that and them apples dried just like it by myself Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: You can dry peaches like that. Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about a kind of nut, I, it, I don't imagine it grows around here, but you see it around Christmastime a lot you know? They're kind of long and gray colored? 505: Uh look kind uh kind of clean and kind of blunt at the end? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: That's a peanut isn't it? Interviewer: What? 505: {D: Prune nut isn't it?} Interviewer: I was, I don't know, is that the same thing as almonds? Something like that? 505: Almonds is that's kinda kinda round. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Okay what about that fruit that uh you know a lot of it grows in Florida? And uh 505: {X} Oranges and Interviewer: {D: Yeah.} 505: they tell me I I I don't know I had a friend that went there a neighbor went. {X} He went there and then they were breaking that sugarcane. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he said uh he's sitting there talking and he said uh {X} He said you oughta been down there in Florida to see them wild snakes. I said what you say? {NW} He said you would have been down there and just see them rattlesnake said God we {D: the other day they had uh} {X} sugarcane did right. {D: They had lost some of 'em.} {X} {X} {D: Deers and things different kind of animal.} {X} {D: To the woods I don't know.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: And he {X} and the leaves and flowers see now then they came with some thickness. Just transfer from one place to another. Interviewer: Let me ask you about uh this uh this little red colored root vegetable that tastes I don't - about that size, you know tastes kind of hot and peppery? 505: {X} Yeah I guess some of 'em garden that. {X} {D: But when.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: Uh-huh. {X} Interviewer: Well what about these things that'll make your eyes water if you try to slice 'em? 505: Oh uh {NW} I don't get. {X} {NW} Interviewer: What about, what about the ones that uh you know, they're small and they have a long stalk? 505: You talking about uh shallots. Interviewer: What? 505: You're talking about shallots are you? Interviewer: Is that what you call 'em? 505: {D: Yes ma'am.} My grandmother used to have a bed {D: oh half-wide as my bed and longer.} {X} {X} I don't like I like it but it don't like me. {D: I was standing} {X} {D: you remember you'd buy me some of the.} {X} And cook me some ham. {X} When I come back I got that buttermilk in that big ol' crock. {X} {D: It's real.} {D: I used to be able could eat it.} {D: I think I've} {X} and uh I got that {X} shallots you hear me? {X} That's so good. Fried there good you know what I got that ham and those shallots and then mix together and I bet you in a half hour time. {X} {D: In my life.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: Before I run my horse} {X} {D: and then you know} {D: suddenly tell you that I'm in.} {X} {D: We had a horse} {D: and they was.} {X} Uh uh everyb- {D: e-everybody sitting in there and then their racetrack ain't no farther no} and that's what I used to drive old track. Interviewer: {NW} 505: And uh they told me {X} {X} {X} {X} {D: the man's telephone was of his soul} {D: I knew we didn't call him Doctor} {X} {X} and the doctor begin that. Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: And uh} my {D: now my beauty} {D: high my} {NW} my grandmother had these old high beams you know that {D: you heard 'em talking about me haven't you?} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {D: And she had} {D: you didn't you had to get them.} {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {NW} {NW} You have not {D: I'm not I'm not} {D: baby I'm} telling the truth. Yeah. Yeah. Most time now she most time she {D: just simple building when she put a pit on that railing you know.} {D: And but now she brought the egg on.} {D: Probably told Mom we'd use it.} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: {D: You'd get all the basics.} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And uh doctor got that. {D: He says she's a sick child} {D: at the moment he said say I don't know what to say.} {D: He got that rubber running through my nose.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {X} {D: Round my nose and.} Mostly didn't understand our {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: And then put 'em there. {D: And said let me.} {D: She just wanted to try this} {D: said just went in from one} {X} and just {X} {D: in between the beds really.} {D: They've got big} {D: houses big black sour houses on there} {X} {D: behind it all.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} And I got to throw that stuff outta me and went from one bed to the other he said she had a. {X} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: Obviously your {X} {X} she'll be alright. And I was just. {X} {X} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: He said his money has had gold through my sister.} {X} He was sitting there with me about two hours. {D: And I know everything} {X} And when I come to myself I said. {X} {D: And then he said.} {X} {D: He got up and got some stuff and it's just like.} {D: milk when you pitch it in water.} {D: Now he puts his normal water} {X} {D: slipped 'em in.} In a few minutes them guys well that guy. {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: It's just like a stinging {D: it felt hot that I burned it just like} {X} {D: that's where you fit it.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: {X} {D: I had done sweated some.} After then I had {D: fever and I had a weird idea.} {D: And I had a fever} {D: you know the fever would take me right here.} {D: I had done.} {X} {X} {D: He said boy} {X} another {X} {D: and my hair you just.} {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: And I said we had been waiting about a half hour.} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: {D: He told mother} {D: check the junk drawer.} {X} {X} {D: From the changing the bed but} {D: part of you is.} {X} {NW} {X} Interviewer: So you were kept? 505: {D: No I didn't think one bit of it that's what she wants} {D: I said Mama you know you came to give me the day you want me?} {D: She has a kid she don't know about.} {X} She's been eating more and said her {X} and I said more I did. {D: I was peacefully} {X} {D: but I didn't need too much to me I had never} {X} much of me. {X} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. Okay and what about uh some of the vegetables you might put in a vegetable soup? 505: Oh yeah you get your butter beans if you like okra in there okra is good in there if you like it in there and you can put peas in your collards and tomatoes I got some made. {X} I had made a boy a pea soup the other day Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I I {X} But just it's really good you put your tomato peel your tomatoes and chop 'em all up in there and chop all that up in there good. {X} Interviewer: What about if you left like an apple around in the sun it just gonna dry up and be {X} what? #1 Does it dry or? # 505: #2 Squish. # You can just squish Interviewer: And shrivel up? 505: Mm-hmm. Just squish it up. Interviewer: What about uh a leafy vegetable that people grow around here a lot? 505: Cabbage? {D: What?} The stalk is growing out on the {D: street and then the} {D: curves and the leaves} {X} {D: back up again.} {D: And then they would fall and saw here again.} I got some in my garden now that. {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # What about if you were sending somebody to the store to buy you some lettuce? You'd tell them to do what? You'd say go get me? 505: Bring me a head of lettuce. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And then. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about if man had a s- let's say about seven boys and seven girls. Yeah I was referring to the to the number of children he had and you say he had a whole? 505: {X} I'd say he had a whole lots of 'em. Interviewer: #1 A-huh. # 505: #2 {NW} # {NS} Yeah. {D: He had a whole crew of 'em} {X} #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: Fourteen is just about a crew. Interviewer: Yeah. Do you know other people say uh he had a whole passel of children? 505: Yeah. Well he just about could have a passel because there's. {X} But I'd {D: I'd tell him to} {D: move them here to.} {X} Interviewer: Mm. Mm-hmm. Talking about vegetables, {NS} {C: rooster clucking} corn, what do you call the things on the outside of the corn that you have to #1 strip off? # 505: #2 Sh-sh- shuck. # Interviewer: {D: That's the shuck?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And the stuff that grows out of the top? 505: Tassel. Interviewer: And what about the stuff that you have to brush off of the? That's the silk. That's the silk, hmm. What about these things that, you know, you said people uh like to get 'em around Halloween is good #1 for uh? # 505: #2 Pumpkins. # Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about some different kinds of melons? 505: Oh yes you can have uh you have a grape melon and then the yellow melon and then you have the red melon and then they have the what you call that little one melons they make pickle out of. {X} Cause yeah that's all I feel comfortable {X} {X} We didn't shake them and make up. {D: Because uh.} {X} {X} It looked just like a walnut. Interviewer: Called what? 505: {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah yeah. 505: Uh-huh. And it looks just like a watermelon so. {X} {X} {D: He said that uh} {X} {X} {D: right here annoying.} {D: Then you know what I'll sit at your feet.} I. {NW} {C: laughter} {D: I done for you} {D: wanted to have fun} {D: I went back in the house and got this suit.} He said. {X} He said I was being {X} I said yes it is. You're tough to ignore. Robert. {D: Who's there I wanna tell you I} {X} I said honey. He said I can't said he doesn't take no {X} {NW} {D: no one say} {D: no boy I say} {X} I only got {X} {D: says she poured it out} {X} {D: my mom said she know to use now.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: But we {X} see you become a {D: volunteer in the field.} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {D: And I didn't know if it was out there or not} {D: as I walk around the} {X} I said what is this? And he wouldn't tell me and he laughed at me. I said is this what we playing? He laughed he said oh that's in the morning said there's more back up here said them things are {D: all the way up here} {D: and now you don't know the difference.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {X} You shouldn't do me like that. {X} {D: Got him to wear a big} {X} {D: and he said nah you gonna get you're getting right now.} {D: Yeah we used to raise} {X} Interviewer: What do you call these things I don't, I hadn't seen any since I've been in Tennessee but sometimes they grow up in people's yards, they have uh kind of a slender stalk, and then the top kind of spreads out? Looks kind of like an open umbrella about, some of 'em about this tall you know? {NS} Some people eat 'em, for dinner chop 'em up slice 'em up? 505: Let's see what could that be. S- I don't know maybe I haven't been uh I haven't seen that many. Interviewer: Mushrooms? 505: Well I don't know. Now them mushrooms over here they're uh they're not big go out in the woods somewhere there be big mushrooms out there but we are and maybe I just called 'em toadstools. {D: You know I hear that people eat them.} But uh, they don't grow around here but uh a farm was in {X} like they come around {X} because they didn't use to eat 'em because it grows out big large and they {D: you know they never sent it but I} I have never eaten it. Interviewer: Oh I have and I like 'em. 505: Huh? Interviewer: I like 'em. 505: Well that's what I'm saying you {D: see the thing is that your mama fix you you never} {D: fix in your life you don't know what you eat.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: Let's just say you haven't never eaten any of those I haven't. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: A boy came here from over {X} and uh I know their their mayor, there you know and he's talking {X} {D: finally he gave the talk just like you and I talking now.} And he said to me one day {X} I said you have to tell me plain I don't know. You need a hillbilly to read your mouth just looking at you. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: He said did {B} and showed me how to and I said what'd you do with it? {NW} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he would tell us about different things they would eat over there. But we didn't know what it was. Look over here and seen it and he said oh you could take a {X} I don't know that. {D: I'm gonna tell you the truth I really} {X} {X} {C: a rooster crows in the background} and I didn't know what he was talking about. {D: He said it} {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: And I said sure do. {NW} {X} Interviewer: Say what? 505: {X} {C: a rooster crows in the background} Interviewer: Oh. {C: rooster crows in the background} {D: And so he} {X} I said I don't know what you're talking about. {X} {D: But I said you're talking about a turkey.} {D: But he didn't call it a turkey.}{C: a rooster crows in the background} Hmm. {C: rooster crows in the background} 505: {NS} {C: coughing} At least tell me how you make that {D: good soup out of the} {X} Now if you take a lot of cumin {D: you get that hide off.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Scrape it.} {NS} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Okay say a say a man who {D: trying to eat a piece of meat} but uh his throat was real sore. He said I'd- I'd sure like to eat that but my throat's so sore I just can't? 505: Swallow. {NS} Interviewer: What about you know these uh things that some people smoke? Some people. 505: Cigarette? Interviewer: And the other things are? 505: Cigars? {NS} Interviewer: Well what about uh you might say somebody offers to do you a favor and you might say well I appreciate it but I don't wanna be? 505: I don't wanna be rude. Interviewer: Okay or? Maybe I don't wanna be uh? You know you {D: don't want to feel like you} {C: rooster crowing} have to do him a favor in return? You might say {C: rooster crowing} I don't wanna be a? 505: An an uh I don't know uh I don't wanna be a a. {X} Interviewer: {NW} What about uh let's say uh somebody comes to you about Sunday and asks you to do some work for 'em? You might say well now I got up and worked before sun up and I all I'm going to. {X} 505: Going out of town {NW} Interviewer: Now what about lets say that there was like a um uh just a terrible accident up the road and there {X} wasn't any need to call a doctor because the victim was? 505: Already dead? Interviewer: Yeah. {NS} Let's say uh let's say you go out in the field and you take a look at the corn and the corn seemed to be just kind of short, you know this year and you kinda puzzled about it because well you might say well at this time of year it? 505: Tend to be larger but the {D: dry season.} Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Have you ever heard a little boy uh talking maybe to another little boy and he'd s- he'll say uh well I'll dare you to go through that graveyard at night but I'll bet? 505: {D: I bet you hang a bit.} Interviewer: {NW} {NW} Well what about uh {NS} let's say if you if you got something to do that was just horrid work and you had to do it yourself and a friend of yours was just standing around without helping you #1 at all # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: you might turn to 'em and say what? 505: Look like you would have to do something. That's true. {NW} Interviewer: Well what about, talking about the possibility of you being able to do something, you might say well well I'm not sure that I? 505: I'll try. {NS} Interviewer: Tell me about, what is this bird you know that's supposed to be able to see in the dark? 505: A bird? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: What kind of uh well I know uh he's a bird too that comes to the {D: dark} but I know uh I don't confuse {X} to see in the dark. Uh {D: a bat mostly.} Most other birds can because a bat I know can see in the dark when he flies. Interviewer: Well what about this {D: bird} that sound kind of like? {NW} 505: {D: Alright?} Interviewer: {NW} You hear it at night? 505: {D: Hoot owl.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Oh yes. {D: Now we're} talking about them things. {NW} {X} {X} {D: We was small growing up}, {D: the moment I saw} {X}. #1 {D: But we had a} # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: {X} that we had {X} with. And that {D: those are pecan trees} {D: over there.} {X} And mama said {X} {D: screech owl is gonna get you.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: So you'd best stand away from {D: guessing young} sun and out running and the thing'd peck you {D: there.} So we're down there you gotta pick me up and come onto the things like this and go around but that's soon I guess for the younguns. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And when they come back to the senior and that bill are {X} {D: you talking about down when people bit me.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Sir a {X} a screech owl. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Now that hoot owl I'm not scared of that. Interviewer: Well talking about birds, what's that kind of bird that drills holes in the trees? 505: Pecker wood. Interviewer: What about this animal that if you mess with it it'll give off a powerful smell? 505: Skunk. Interviewer: You ever heard those called anything else? 505: No I haven't. Skunk {X} a mink is uh kinda other too. Interviewer: People ever call skunks polecats? 505: Why is a polecat and a skunk the same? Interviewer: I've always thought they were. 505: Well they tell me a polecat a- and a skunk is different. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: That's what they say. Interviewer: The way they both smell bad you know? 505: Well what is this here that cuts down these trees and? {X} Interviewer: Oh that's a beaver. 505: Then uh uh have you ever eaten it? {NW} Well they tell me it's some good meat. Interviewer: Is that right? #1 No I never # 505: #2 Yeah # Interviewer: #1 {D: really.} # 505: #2 {D: whenever} # {D: the boys feel out there they quit answering me.} He killed one and the- and the boy said uh people go hunting and {D: places in here in here in his car.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: It's a big but really that's some good meat. I have never seen one, you know {D: no more than one.} Interviewer: Yeah. Well I've seen them I I didn't- I didn't know you know they were eat the meat of it. 505: Well the boy the boy he go and ask you and he said he's good. Said he shot it {D: but he got itself pretty good.} Interviewer: Well tell me about what would you call just any sort of animal that that might be liable to get in your hen roost you know and kill your chickens? #1 You would just call # 505: #2 {X} # Interviewer: {D: an ol''?} 505: {D: Or how is as} good an opossum is a really good but. Interviewer: You might #1 say? # 505: #2 {X} # What is them old things skunk. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And they could- they catch your chicken and just like {D: that small and she got that} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and just cut the head off. Interviewer: Oh yeah? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of people call all those animals together just call 'em varmints or something like that? 505: I would just call them varmints {D: over there.} {NW} Interviewer: What are these little animals with bushy tails that you see {C: rooster crowing} jumping around in the trees you know? 505: A squirrel. Interviewer: Are there different types? 505: Uh-huh. Fox squirrel and gray squirrel and it's a white squirrel. Interviewer: White squirrel 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well have you ever seen anything that look kind of like a squirrel but didn't {C: rooster crowing} climb on trees? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Uh-huh. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Stayed on the ground? 505: Flying squirrel. Interviewer: Flying squirrel? 505: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Well one kind of animal {C: rooster crowing} looks like a squirrel but might burrow in the ground? 505: They tell me I haven't seen them. You're telling me a groundhog kind of {D: is a squirrel didn't you?} Interviewer: Groundhog? {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Uh-huh.} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: {NW} {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Now I ain't seen no groundhog} {C: background noise} {D: And I} {C: background noise} {D: I guess I have.} {C: background noise} {X} {C:background noise} {NS} {D: And I saw going in and} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {X} {C: background noise} {D: And I saw it and it was} {D: here that told me that} {X} {D: But like he would} he {D: looked kinda like a pig to me.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: That groundhog I saw.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: {D: But I}- I don't know nothing {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Afraid not um then. Interviewer: Never heard of a ground squirrel or or something like that? 505: Uh no no I call them flying squirrels. Interviewer: Flying squirrels? 505: Uh-huh they run on the ground all the time. You won't ever see them upside a tree. And them things can get it. That's when I well that's I used to see them when I used to go to a store and when I see my grandmother down here. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: We used to {D: chop them things} {D: said I was going to down this road.} Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 {D: Chop.} # {NS} Don't you want some more? {X} Interviewer: I think I'm about ready for some. 505: #1 I'll go get you some. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} What kinds of fish did you fish for? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Something. {NS} {D: I'd throw out no kind of drink but I ought to see you.} {X} Interviewer: Oh no the water's fine I'd rather have water. As a matter of fact I drank too many of those. Uh. 505: It's got a- it got none ice in there. It ain't cold {D: little knockers.} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {D: Some is fine.} # Just one cup. 505: You was asking about fish? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Oh well the type of fish I know buffalo fish catfish {C: rooster crowing} and a cod fish. {C: rooster crowing.} {X} Sucker. And uh {D: sher} pike. And the bass and the trout and. {X} #1 Yes then uh # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: in a {D: year.} {NS} Interviewer: Do you have black fish up here? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Naw I have never seen that. Interviewer: It's a gosh it's been a long time since I've seen a black fish. It's a ugly old thing. #1 Looks kind of like an eel. # 505: #2 Is it? # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Interviewer: Really not not not uh. 505: Look is it dark and look kind of is he got a platy is he a cat or what is it? Interviewer: It's not a cat. {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Yeah yeah uh let's see you there.} {C: rooster crowing} Now an now you wanna hear something? Catfish are called uh {NS} {NS} {X} I caught one of those they make it. {X} Anything I can kind of {D: beyond some spark that's} {D: darkest parts of it.} I forgets the name of my I may have thinking of the. {X} Interviewer: Oh {D: crappie are.} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} 505: You get uh y-y'all are looking {X} seeing if y'all are looking but they got different {C: rooster noise} dots blotching on your skin. {C: dog barking} Interviewer: Like a channel cat? {C: dog barking} 505: No {D: a channel cat is sitting over here got all his quit.} {C: dog barking} {NS} {D: And fish hairs on it} and it and this appreciates trying to. {C: dog barking} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: It's gonna do this {C: dog barking} {D: anything that these} {C: dog barking} {X} last time I wished I had kept on {D: that's a wiggly little fish} it's a catfish {D: all right up.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he and everybody I caught one the other day. {D: But it was real} Interviewer: #1 small. # 505: #2 Speckled cat? # Huh? Interviewer: Speckled cat? 505: No we call them uh. Interviewer: Well that's okay if you remember. {X} 505: Yeah but I think {D: but I ripped him.} Interviewer: Tell me about this thing that uh it's a k- it's kind of- kind of see through it really {D: that uh} has a shell you know and {X} {D: are supposed to grow there?} 505: Mm-hmm you talking about like um {D: muscle} shell. Interviewer: What? 505: {D: Muscle} shell. {D: You don't fish with them. You gonna take them and open them up} and some peoples takes them and take 'em home using {X}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: I mean you can- you can uh {D: go on out} some place like Mississippi or sometime {X} {C: rooster crowing} right here. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Is that the same thing as an oyster? {C: rooster crowing} 505: Now now you ask me a question now I'm gonna ask you. That's what I have never understood. Some people tell me that's the same thing that you call oysters. Interviewer: I think a muscle and an oyster are different but I 505: #1 don't. # Interviewer: #2 But # 505: {X} I'm gonna be frank with ya I really don't know. Because uh never did we find one you can find {X} {D: on the sandbars.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: But they're small {D: you know like they're not} {X} and the fish bites 'em good. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {D: The fish bait.} But uh, used to {D: bite on top of my.} {X} But I haven't been to river too many times. On the sandbar down here at the time. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: But they tell me that's the same thing {D: as oysters}. {D: They got 'em on their knees.} {NS} Interviewer: I just don't know I can't tell you. 505: #1 {X}{C: rooster crowing then dog barking} # Interviewer: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing then dog barking} # 505: {X} {C: dog barking} Interviewer: About the size of your hand? {C: dog barking} {X} {C: dog barking} 505: Yeah. {C: dog barking} {X} {C: dog barking} They {X} {C: dog barking} uh-huh. {NS} When my daddy was sick {C: dog barking} {D: my mama she liked to.} Mother used to fix them for him and take him to {X} and then she would uh {D: put butter on them you know}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he would eat 'em {D: like that}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And uh sometime {D: you cook them right there and} {X} {X} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {D: But that now you got} {D: me on that oysters I don't} I really don't know. {NS} Interviewer: Well what about this uh these things that you find around a pond? You know they make a croaking kind of sound? They can jump. #1 {D: If they just?} # 505: #2 Oh a bullfrog? # Interviewer: Bullfrog? 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: What about the kind of might be a? {C: rooster crowing} {X}{C: rooster crowing} 505: A toadfrog? {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: That's a toadfrog? 505: Mm-hmm and {D: there is a} spring frog {D: he can leap further} than a bullfrog can but he's {X} {D: may look a bullfrog but he's small}. Interviewer: {D: About a little?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well you were talking about turtles a minute ago. What would you call one that lives only on- on dry land? {D: That'd get in the water}. 505: I haven't- I haven't saw one that just live on dry land. Most turtle you see here they come and {X} water. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And do you know? Interviewer: Have you ever heard of the terrapin? 505: {D: Oh God yes I} {X}. {D: that's a goddamn terrapin.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Their babies they'll go} they goes in what {X} and things like that. But uh. Interviewer: Have you ever heard a terrapin called by any other name? {NS} 505: No I haven't. Interviewer: Have you ever heard of people calling 'em {D: gophers}? 505: No. Call them {D: gophers}? Interviewer: Some people do. 505: {D: Yeah?} Interviewer: I've heard that. In south Alabama. 505: Ya {D: gophers}. Interviewer: {D: Yup}. 505: {D: You learn it} {D: someday}. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: What about this uh this thing that you find in streams? It's- it looks- it looks a little bit like a a tiny uh lobster or something. It's got claws on it you know and? 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 Crawfish # 505: {D: shrimp.} Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And this is something else that it's a seafood. Uh, oh I don't know kind of a got kind of a fan tail you know? They're small, about that size? {D: You getting uh} oh, you might ask for a few pounds of 'em you know at the fish market? 505: Oh you mean uh, shrimp? Interviewer: Right. 505: {D: Shrimp.} Interviewer: {X}. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: I wanna ask you about some different kinds of uh insects. What about uh you know these insects that like to fly around light bulbs? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: {D: Who are those}? 505: {D: The most of 'em would be lightning bugs.} And some of them they uh camouflage. And some of them be. {X} {X} And them things {D: the inside is} a little bit black I mean, if they {D: backed here} {D: to the} #1 {D: place that they feel like you've been} # Interviewer: #2 Yep. # 505: {D: burned.} {D: And- in the moment.} And {D: lightning bugs'll do that too.} Interviewer: What about those things that'll get in your clothes and eat 'em up if you're not careful? 505: Uh mites. Interviewer: Mites? 505: Some folks call 'em. {X} Interviewer: What about moths? 505: Yeah that's- that's- that's the same thing. Interviewer: Same? 505: Some folk call it {D: a lot} mites and some call it moths. But uh I've been {D: advised many} moths smaller just like those {X} moths. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And the chifforobe got two chifforobes {X} {D: armoires} some of them and get tired of them some of them might {D: kill them}. {D: I can't} {D: so I keeps moth balls in there then they have to keep them from} the moths from getting in the clothes. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well what about uh this is an insect that you see around ponds a lot when you're fishing. It's got a real {D: slender} body #1 and transparent? # 505: #2 Mm. # Interviewer: {X} 505: Wings. Interviewer: {D: Alright} it flies around and sometimes it'll light on your pole and you have to shake it off? 505: Snake doctor? Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. {D: And I like to see that. I thought once you was talking about a tadpole}. Interviewer: Mm. 505: Uh what is a tadpole? Interviewer: A tadpole? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: That's a- that's a very young uh frog. {X}. 505: And you know? {X} {C: roosters crowing} Interviewer: {NW} {C: roosters crowing} 505: {D: As you did}. I said how you gonna swim in the water? {X} {X} {C: rooster crowing} So it used to be some {X} I say he go {D: home.} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And I didn't wanna believe that I really didn't I was small you know. I didn't wanna believe. Interviewer: {D: This is where he is}. 505: {X}{C: rooster crowing} I'm gonna tell you the truth I didn't. I said mm-mm. You can't {X}. Interviewer: {NW} {NW} Well tell me about some insects {X}{C: rooster crowing} 505: Well {D: a wasp} {D: lawn bee} and uh uh and yes {D: don't leave that honeybee out now.} Now some people say they wont sting but don't fool yourself. {D: And now you been running around} {X} {D: big old fish stood} right across in front of my house just like my mailbox {X} in front of my house. And it- it had a {D: hole} in it and uh {X} bees coming down that {D: had been had been years} {X} they got some. {X} {X}{C: rooster crowing} And my husband and {D: others got} {X} {D: throwing that thing and} you know kinda. {X} {D: Them things was fast}. {D: Stung} him so he didn't go {D: die.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: {X} {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {D: One got his} {C: rooster crowing} his sister {X} {D: you couldn't understand them.} {D: And I'd knock him out.} And one {D: stung me on my arm} and I think one stung me on the neck too. {D: Them things.} {X} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Some people say you can put {X} stuff on your arm when you {D: going to get} {X} then they're gonna sting you. But I don't know what to do about that but I do know that if I cross. {X} Interviewer: Well what about these insects that make a big paper nest about {D: this size in the trees}? 505: Uh. {X} Interviewer: What's that? Oh yeah. 505: {X}. Interviewer: And what about the ones that'll uh build a nest in the ground {D: and swarm of them}? 505: {D: That was a.} {X} Interviewer: What about these little ones {D: you know that'll occasionally?} {X} 505: {D: Sweat bee}. Interviewer: {D: Sweat bee?} 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: You have trouble with mosquitos much around here? 505: Yeah. You know {D: what} for a while. {X} And you can go down on the river {D: and a creature} {X} or a {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and you {D: I'd imagine} and you {X} you'd better have some. {X} Interviewer: {D: Right.} 505: {D: Cause it's} got a {X} {D: too much though that.} {D: I said that} {X} the river you know is cool Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: and they don't bother you. {X} But you don't know {X} and then that {X} and mosquito. {X} Interviewer: You mentioned a rattle snake and a {D: whippet} the other day. What other kind of snakes do you know about? 505: Uh {D: stinger snake}, {X}, {D: gob} snake, chicken snake, and uh, {D: copper back}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: What about these things that uh they're insects, they got those long kind of legs you know and they jump around in your yard? 505: Hopper grass? Interviewer: Some of 'em green some of 'em black. 505: You know I saw the largest hopper grass here. {NS} {D: Since} {X} I had never thought I would {X}. {NS} He was bigger than my thumb I had never seen one that large. {D: Real big black one.} And they say they come in here you know {D: they said} once they had {D: but they had to.} {X} The hopper grasses in some place {D: and it was eating their crops.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And {D: they knew} {X} {D: but I have} {D: I seen them here}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: It's {X} they're large they're {X} {D: their ordinary} {D: hopper green}. {D: And that's something.} {X} {NW} Interviewer: What about uh these are little tiny fish that some people use for bait when they go fishing you know? 505: {D: A little perches}? Interviewer: Perches or these look like kind of small shiners you know? 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 Oh- # 505: #2 {D: I}- # {X} {D: and some of them a little old baby} {D: carp and} {X} and things like that. Interviewer: Some people call them minnows or #1 {D: something?} # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. Call 'em minnows. # {D: You don't} {X} now I've been uh- you catch the- {D: I know how to get these.} {X} And just like if you wanna fish {D: up there but} {D: wild catfish} {X}. And-and uh a catfish {D: are more} catching them small perch {X} {X}. I had another perch {D: on you} {D: what belong that}? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I had a little perch {D: and I was fixing everything} and he got on that {X} {D: pulling my}- I said {X}. {D: And it had been sitting out there} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} {D: near about as long as you've been.} {X} And I ain't never {D: gonna} {D: get it back} {X} {X} and when I got through {D: I was sweating}. But he too. {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: Say that} {X} and say you really wanna try I said no I said I figure I can pull anything {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I said me. He tore that pole up there. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Yeah. {C: rooster crowing} 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} She said if you hadn't got {X} it wouldn't have stopped 'til it got home. She said I. {X} But he told me {X} {D: let it get him} I don't know what {D: it was.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: She said she {X} um uh cat. Now- now you can- you can catch them uh blue cats. {X}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Why don't you better have you some to hold them things. Them things is really {D: something more.} Interviewer: {NS} Those things can get huge. {C: rooster crowing} 505: Hmm? {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Those things can get really huge. I know some people who fish for them around dams in Alabama. 505: Yeah? Interviewer: Oh and they talk about catching catfish they go up to a hundred pounds a piece, 505: #1 Yeah? # Interviewer: #2 something like that. # Just huge. And it's really funny what the way they catch it. {X} Some of them catch it with these, they're not really poles they're just, they're really a stump of a pole. It's only about that #1 long. # 505: #2 It's a reel. # Interviewer: Well. 505: And- and- and he can reel them in Interviewer: Yeah they have- they have these big heavy duty #1 reels. # 505: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: But what I'm talking about that the pole itself. It'd been about that long. 505: That's how long these {X} be. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: #1 They can take that. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: And this thing is real thick #1 and uh. # 505: #2 Yeah. # Interviewer: {X} 505: #1 I- I- I saw # Interviewer: #2 {X}? # 505: some of them. Interviewer: Yeah? 505: They done pulled that thing {D: sometimes those hands} {D: with the part you hold in your hands.} Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 The reel, # like you said a {D: reel style}. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {NS} I seen a man fishing with one {D: down here now}- {D: down here now, real {D: old reel} last year. And then some place back we call. {X} I saw the fish. {X} He can take that {D: bag in} in his hand, do it just like that. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Uh-huh. {NS} {NW} {D: My son brought me} {D: one.} My brother fixed {D: we eat it all the time} cause I never cook. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: I never did know how to {D: but he'd} {D: pay eighteen dollars sometimes} {X} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: I can't- I- I was scared of it. He said I'm gonna {D: throw it harder now.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And he show- showed me how to. {X} Interviewer: Mm. 505: He said uh-uh. {X} well you can't {D:you can't show your mother} if you don't know. So you. {X} And so {D: finally he got a little.} {X} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well tell me about these things you know sometimes that uh collect in the corners of your ceiling and have to get a broom and sweep 'em out you know? 505: Dirt daubers? Interviewer: Dirt #1 {D: daublers?} # 505: #2 And then # sometimes spider webs #1 {D: can.} # Interviewer: #2 Right. # Is that the same thing as uh you see outside you know? Between bushes? {D: Spider webs talking about}? 505: Mm-hmm. Spider web. Interviewer: What about uh have you ever heard of a kind of a tree that you tap the uh syrup out of it? 505: Yeah they tell me you can tap a maple tree {D: to get the sap out of it} but I never saw it. I read about it. But I've never {D: seen it}. Interviewer: Well what would you call uh, a place where you have a lot of maple growing #1 together? # 505: #2 {NW} # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Well {D: down near the bottom it's} they growing just as thick as they can be {X} {D: across the maple}. Interviewer: What about some- some different types of trees around here? {D: Names of 'em?} 505: Uh, there's uh {X} three kind of oak, white oak {D: dry grove}, red oak and. {X} And then there's some willow tree sycamore tree, and a pecan tree, hickory tree, and a, {D: gum} tree, ash tree. {D: And I call a maple} #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: tree. Interviewer: What kind? 505: {X} {X} Interviewer: #1 Oh yeah. # 505: #2 Tree. # That's a {D: little worn tree} similar to mine over there. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And uh {D: apple trees and all like that.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Peach trees. Interviewer: Well tell me have you ever heard of any kind of a bush that uh has, bright red berries on it and and old folks used to use it for tanning leather or something like that? 505: #1 No I don't think I have. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # Ever heard anything, {D: called a shoe make or uh} {D: sumac} or anything like that? 505: {D: Shoe make?} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: Now that's a weed.} And you'd {X} {D: called it a shoe make} but I don't. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: I don't even know.} {NS} {D: This has really good } {X} {D: but I don't know.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. Well what about this- this stuff uh these bushes that'll make your skin break out and itch if you get into it? 505: Poison oak. Interviewer: Poison oak? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Is that the same thing as #1 uh? # 505: #2 {D: It's a vine} # {D: like} it grows up on trees {X} {D: anything}. Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: And it grows on the ground just like it grows {D: upside of a} tree. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: I didn't keep.} {X} {D: But the roots} {D: it's in the ground}. Interviewer: {X} What about these berries that have kind of a a rough surface, you know? Some of them are red and some of 'em are black? Uh. 505: Blackberries? Interviewer: Blackberries {D: and?} 505: Yeah. {D: Now, well} {D: some of them} uh, is uh {D: wild blackberries}, but the {D: tame black berries} they be red and then they turn black {D: you know?} Interviewer: Are there some berries around here that aren't good to eat, that'll make you sick you know? 505: {D: No no there ain't.} {X} I know of. Interviewer: You don't have {D: any poisonous}? 505: {NS} We just have them. {X} Yeah. I know what you're talking about. Some of them grows {D: in town} the red berries and then it- {D: but it}- you don't eat them. #1 {D: Grow on a vine like that.} # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. Yeah. # 505: I saw 'em in a they had plenty in {D: Paris}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: It was either} {X} she said uh-uh {D: no now} you can't eat that. And then we just {X}. {D: Our} neighbors in the- in- in the woods. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about these uh these tall bushes that have clusters of pink and white flowers on 'em? Uh, {D: got blooming} late in the spring you know? 505: {D: What you mean?} {X} Interviewer: Yeah, I don't know if you have any here or not. {D: You got any} {D: laurel}? 505: {X} Interviewer: Y'all have any of that? 505: Yeah {X} {D: we got} {D: where has the} flower like you see. {D: You got a big white flower}. Interviewer: {X}. 505: And then these are. {X} And they grows on my {X} you know around the low place? And they bloom down there {X} what the name {D: would be} what the name of it is I don't know. Interviewer: Yeah. Well what about this tree that you see a- a lot of here in the south it's uh, can grow to be a pretty big tree. Has these shiny green leaves you know and, big white flowers #1 on it. # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # {D: She got one} {X} {X} small one. {X} {D: Hmm}. {D: She always give me more and she got} {D: a small one there in her yard left.} I- I {D: don't want to name them} {X} {X} from me when I was in {X}. Interviewer: #1 Mm-hmm. # 505: #2 She had # {D: more} {X} {D: tree like that}. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: But uh I forget the name of it now but I know what {C: rooster crowing} {X}. Interviewer: {D: Thinking of}, {C: rooster crowing} about magnolias? {C: dog barking} 505: Yeah. {C: dog barking} Interviewer: {X} {C: dog barking} 505: Yeah. {C: dog barking} Uh-uh! Interviewer: What about have you ever heard of any rhododendron? 505: No. {NS} What is that? {C: dog barking} Interviewer: {NS} Uh, it's uh, {D: you can really find it} {C: dog barking} {D: find it up in the mountains,} {C: dog barking, rooster crowing} {D: it uh} {C: dog barking} {NS} kind of got a long {C: dog barking} stem on it {C: dog barking} you know? I really {C: dog barking} I really haven't seen too many of them. I can't #1 uh. # 505: #2 Well # what did what did uh that- what i- what is something that you eat uh {D: just some kind of?} Interviewer: No no no it's just you know a- a flower you #1 plant. # 505: #2 Oh just a # flower. Interviewer: {D: Yeah.} {NS} What about uh, you know uh, a child in a family might have a, a special name you know, that the family gives him, and he- he's just called that within the family. 505: {NW} Interviewer: No where else. 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 What kind of # name is that? You say he's got #1 a? # 505: #2 Nickname # Interviewer: Got a nickname? {NS} And what is this thing that {C: dog barking} that has wheels on it you know, and you can put a baby in it? And uh. 505: Stroller? Interviewer: That's just a stroller? 505: Mm. Interviewer: Maybe say well I think I'll put the baby in the stroller and go? {C: dog barking} 505: {D: Walking}. {C: dog barking} {NS} Go walking. {C: dog barking} {NS} Interviewer: Let's say uh talking about uh maybe a person had three boys. One's twenty years old, another's fifteen, and another's ten. You would talk about 'em you know in terms of being grown up. You'd say that the one that's twenty is the? 505: {NS} He's the oldest. Interviewer: {NS} Okay. {C: dog barking} {NS} Well let's, let's see uh, {C: dog barking} you say that your children consist of your sons and your? 505: {D: How do you say that}? Interviewer: Your children would be {C: dog barking} all of your sons and all of your? {C: dog barking} 505: {D: Girls} {C: dog barking} {D: would be over there.} {C: dog barking} {D: Daughter.} {C: dog barking} Interviewer: Right. What about if a woman is expecting to have a baby? You say she's what? {C: dog barking and rooster crowing} 505: Pregnant. {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Have you ever heard of any other expression- uh things that? {C: dog barking} 505: She is. {X} Interviewer: {D: Been?} {X} 505: Mm-hmm. {NS} Interviewer: What kind of {C: dog barking} if you didn't have a doctor around to deliver the baby, {C: dog barking} what's- what do you call the {D: woman that} you might send to help? {C: dog barking} 505: Midwife. Interviewer: Midwife? 505: Mm-hmm. {X} {C: dog barking} what the doctor say {D: that you} {X} cause here they. {X} Interviewer: Is that {D: right?} 505: She doctored {D: on a white income}. And uh, got out of my bed {D: and then they} {X} {D: the one that I like broke}. {NS} {X} people just like I was a {X} {D: they was at the house. No one} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and they had uh {D: wearing the} {D: sheet down on the floor}, {D: that really had to bring a sheet} {X} {D: and he did have a good father}. She was so sick, {D:I leave her afternoon} and it was so cold {D:you can't help the weather} {C: coughing in background} {D: He lived about two miles from us I guess} {NS} {D: well just assemble the} {X} {D: that's what she told me.} Mid day and {D: thank goodness she said and nobody in the} {D:station} I was sitting here by myself. Interviewer: {NW} {C: dog barking in background} 505: {D: She said my house been} {D: late last night so she could.} {X} {D: She begged me to do that for her but I never left.} Interviewer: Have you ever heard people call a midwife a granny woman? #1 Or something like that? # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Call her granny. Interviewer: {D: Mm-kay.} {NS} What about if a child has lost both its parents its called a? 505: {X} Interviewer: A child that's like that? 505: {D: Adopted?} Interviewer: Well might not necessarily be adopted if if the child has just lost both its parents you say its a? 505: {D: Mothers} {D: or fathers} {D: set.} Interviewer: Is that is that what you call it? 505: That's what I would say. Interviewer: Now is that the same thing as what some people might call an orphan? 505: Now yes {D: no no nah nah nah new} uh-oh. {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {C: rooster crowing} 505: {D: Now I take it and carry you to} {D: the place with the cohort that} well I had I had uh {NS} {D: I'd done be open to a child if I didn't have no home.} {D: And give it to the open home.} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: So that I just think if uh uh you know its just like if I lost my mother and daddy and didn't have nobody I'd be the same. I'd adopt this uh orphan child. Interviewer: And what what about if what would you call the person {NW} who might be appointed to look after {D: or at these?} 505: Adopted parents. Interviewer: Or maybe uh a guardian or #1 something like? # 505: #2 {NW} # No I didn't say that adopted parents they've got the same thing. Interviewer: What about if uh if you had a lot of your your cousins and your nieces and your nephews in the house you'd say that the house is all full of your? 505: People. Interviewer: Some of your people? Anything else you might say? 505: Family. Interviewer: Your family or your? 505: {D: So seats} {X} it would be the same as. {X} Interviewer: Or maybe your your kin? 505: My kin? {NW} Interviewer: What about you might say uh talking about somebody who who looks something like you you might say well? She she looks a little bit like me and she even has the same last name but actually I'm? 505: {X} Interviewer: Well she lets say she she does favor you she might favor you look a little bit like you she might even have the same last name but you say actually I'm no? 505: Kin to her. But it but since you said that {X} I read. {X} {D: And my children everybody say she's my sister} I don't hear the preacher {X} {D: are you related to sister here?} And I say well no more sooner alike. {D: You see you're on the fence sister.} And she calls me says do you {D: you got particulars so I can make this church over here this Sunday?} {D: And she run up on me she says hi sister.} {D: She grab me and then I say hi.} Interviewer: {NW} What about can you give me just a few names of uh first names for women that begin with an m? 505: Oh Mary Martha. Interviewer: Okay what about an n? 505: {D: Nin.} {NS} {X} {D: And a bit forward I got the names coming in.} {D: Nanny Nanny.} And what. And Nell. {NW} Interviewer: {D: Nell?} 505: Yeah I'd forgotten Nell. #1 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: #2 {X} {C: rooster crowing} # Yeah my mother's named that. 505: Your mother named that? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: #1 That's where you got you know that # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: And I got a colored name now they hadn't thought about} #1 that. # Interviewer: #2 {X} # 505: {D: They said it round to 'em.} Interviewer: What about in the bible uh the first of the four gospels you know the others are Mark Luke and John and then you got? It begins with an m? 505: {D: Matthew} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: What about a a woman who who teaches school you'd call her a what? Anything in particular? 505: School teacher. #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 A school teacher? # Do you ever hear any old fashion names for a woman school teacher? 505: If I did I don't remember 'em now. Interviewer: Mm-kay you ever heard of school mom? 505: School what? Interviewer: School mom. 505: No I believe not. Interviewer: {X} {C: rooster crowing} {NS} 505: Yeah? {D: I know when you're around just to get rid of you.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: You know it's different now.} {D: The surgeon that you know that} #1 {D: he was got giving names} # Interviewer: #2 Oh yeah. # 505: #1 to different things. # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: {D: And things that you don't hear today I never hear} {D: and things I never heard you you never hear.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: That's the way you're raised about growing up in here. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Cause I was {X} are you alright there you? How your kids? {X} {X} {D: And we used to their lives the same.} What is that? {D: Also it was just a} bang on two sticks against {D: right under there} you got uh. Interviewer: Now what'd you say this was? 505: {D: Sing.} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. That's it we used to sing {X} at night. {NS} I wish we could be I wish I could sing more but {C: rooster crowing} {D: things they'd ask me about} {D: that I didn't know of them things I could tell them that they didn't know.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: So my gross my little} cousin came from Saint Louis when he was eighteen. {NW} {D: I can check his little thing.} {D: His accent'd be up.} At that time you know trouble and things {X} {C: rooster crowing} you know shows and things coming. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {X} You ever rode the ferry here? Yes I know what is that? He said um you just as dumb as you can be {X} {D: you didn't know what a home was.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: So I said that said there's there's there you know in a city I don't know #1 if I'd put it on. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 505: Ladies you don't know the {X} {D: riding with you.} So that's a different end people some people. {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: Whether your dogs are one part one part you're not.} Interviewer: You just get together and learn something. 505: {NW} You sure said it {X} {NW} {NW} Interviewer: Well tell me this you ever heard of people call it a say a preacher {C: rooster crowing} who is really not trained to be a preacher he actually does something else? And he he might really not be that good at it uh y- you you heard ever heard people call somebody like this anything in particular? 505: Jack leg #1 would be that. Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Jack leg preacher? # 505: #1 {NW} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: Thats what I hear 'em called. Interviewer: Can you have a jack leg anything else? 505: {NW} I don't know. Interviewer: Maybe a jack leg lawyer or? 505: Well yeah. Interviewer: #1 Doctor or? # 505: #2 {D: I'll go party and.} # {X} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {NW} {NW} {D: Look for real I said that that but uh I didn't mean to} {X} you know what? {D: The doctors and them not near all what they used to be like.} Interviewer: That right? 505: They look look like they needed it more expensive education then uh different now type of machines and things that and to my eye when I come onto old doctors this is old you doctors this is not. {X} Interviewer: Yeah. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Well tell me talking about uh names again can you give me the a name of a girl beginning with s? Uh. 505: Susie. Interviewer: Mm-hmm or there's a woman in the Bible? Wife of Abraham you know? Uh. 505: Sarah? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. What about if your uh. 505: {D: I don't know I thought of that cause that's my mother-in-law's name.} Interviewer: {NW} Well what about if your if your father had a brother named William that'd be your? 505: Uncle? Interviewer: Your uncle William. 505: Uncle. Interviewer: And if he had a brother named John that'd be your? 505: Uncle John. Interviewer: You remember in the uh what did you call what do you call the war you know that was fought between the north and the south about a hundred so years ago? #1 {X} # 505: #2 Was it the civil war? # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Interviewer: You ever heard that called anything else? 505: {D: I don't think I did.} {D: Now it's there again.} And unfortunately {D: that thing probably went a.} {X} {NS} {D: From uh} {C: rooster crowing} {X} in that on the {X} {D: the river the whole.} {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah. 505: {D: I've been in it.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: Do you do you remember uh hearing about Robert E Lee? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Do you remember what what rank he was in the army? 505: {D: Was he a} {D: well was he a corporal?} Would be a #1 {D: corporal or something.} # Interviewer: #2 I think he was higher than that. # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # {D: Uh at the end of the war anyway.} 505: {D: Ah now see he was the admiral there maybe.} And then I've read about it but I don't remember {D: ain't no nothing in my mind now.} Interviewer: General? 505: {X} I think I think you're right. Interviewer: Have you ever have you ever seen an old gentleman uh on TV ads he uh advertizes Kentucky fried chicken? 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: He wears his white suit and he's got a uh white mustache. {X} You remember his name? 505: No I don't {D: I'm mad I don't.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: I remember it.} {X} Interviewer: He's supposed they they call him Colonel Sanders? 505: Yeah. Interviewer: You remember that? 505: Yeah. {NW} {D: I got two to} {D: send me one.} {X} {D: Um} {D: keep getting me.} {X} {D: You know he ain't got no wife beaters left and I said I know baby I say} {D: they're building over there.} How come they're gonna be {X} I mean you go you get graded and you get out the way. {X} Yeah he got them wife beaters he got 'em {X} what she told me. Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: I'm learning.} Interviewer: {NW} Well what about uh what do you call a man who's in charge of the ship he's the? what of the ship he's the? 505: A ship? Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Oh he's he's the owner isn't he? Interviewer: The owner or? You know the man who act- who is actually on the ship who's in charge of it who runs it you know? 505: He's the operator of the #1 ship? # Interviewer: #2 Operator # or have you ever would you ever call him the captain of the ship? 505: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 Something like that? # 505: Yeah. Interviewer: Well what about the man who uh is in charge of the county court he's the? {NS} 505: Uh he's the {NW} {X} {C: rooster crowing} the clerk? Interviewer: The clerk or the one who actually tries the cases he's the? 505: Lawyer. Interviewer: The law and the lawyer? 505: {D: Is generous?} Interviewer: Right okay. Well what about uh a person who goes to to college to study you call him a? 505: {X} {C: rooster crowing} College student? Interviewer: Okay. Well what about a man you know who who performs on a stage he would be called an actor? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 And a woman # would be? 505: Called a star? Interviewer: Star or or maybe a you ever heard not an actor but a? Maybe an actress or an act or something #1 like that? # 505: #2 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: {D: Yeah?} Now what about our nationality we're both what? We're not Germans but we're? 505: What you mean what uh nationality? Interviewer: {D: You know country that?} 505: Uh we uh United States? Interviewer: United States that means that we're? 505: American? Interviewer: Kay. Well what about um how would you refer how would what what would you call the two races you got? The? 505: Colored and the white. Interviewer: Okay. Now some some colored people don't like to be called colored do you have any idea of what else they would like to be called? 505: I don't know why they don't. {X} Interviewer: But you know what I'm talking about though? 505: Some some folks call them black. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: Yeah. And some uh its like uh {D: a white man and a colored man got into a pair} {NW} {D: and what they used to they had a song for that.} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: And the boy had been worked there {X} {D: I don't know what happened between them} but that night they were out and they were all drinking and they told him to. {X} {D: And so and I} {D: they had a ton of some kind of a powder.} Joe's says I ain't seen a nigger. He said now did a nigger work for you? And did you pay that nigger? Thats a long time ago. Interviewer: Mm. 505: He said his blood is red and yours is red what difference is it? He said that uh {D: before your first back} you stay a while you'd be dark I said you'd be just as dark as these. {X} {D: See you ought to treat people like you but he never did oh.} But there is some having fun in between and you and that. {X} There it's {X} {D: say I told him but meant and he would just.} {D: But it sometimes they'd throw them off a truck.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: Then then I know if there hadn't been two or three of 'em they would have whooped him. As they're fighting {X} I'm telling you. Interviewer: Mm. 505: He tried it. He got {X} {D: and you would've hit me.} {D: Killing him hitting with his big fist.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: {X} {D: Let's run.} {D: Cause he said} {D: and he} {X} {D: and I said we all got drunk and} getting to it some kinda like moved out that you know. {D: When we get out and give up his own place and get to stand giving thanks for each other} {X} {D: to distract from each other.} And that's that's that's stuff I hope I never I never {D: uh come in and borrow that.} That's I'm sixty-five years old I've never had a {X} my life. {D: White or colored I would work well with white I worked with colored.} {NS} And I ain't never {C: dog howling and barking} I never had I never I never had no falling out with a person that I still {D: in one kind beyond thirty} {D: that there's ten years} {D: I thought you done that go around pruning and pinning things} {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: I won't race to you now no like.} And I see people quarreling with people by the way. If me and you {D: are sitting here talking about all I can wait.} {D: Invite me over} I'm uh when I'm gonna gonna {X} {D: you you personally would like to waste nobody.} Your way may be different from mine and mine be different from yours. {D: That's what I was thinking about} {X} If you think I'm wrong try and put me back on the right track they just don't hate me they ain't gonna hate me because I'm. {X} {C: dog barking} {NS} Interviewer: Tell me why was why was the what were the {C: dog barking} what were the {C: dog barking} white man probably call a colored man is he if he was uh {C: dog barking} if he was {C: dog barking} gonna insult him? #1 Make them mad? # 505: #2 Uh # a nigger. Interviewer: And what might a colored man call a white man if he wanted to make him mad? 505: A pecker wood And that's that's nonsense to either. {X} {D: If you play for her I say play.} If you won't {X} {D: just because I'm a nigger.} {NS} I told her now I said now now anybody can be a nigger. Did you ever thought about that? {C: dog barking} {NS} A person who's real nasty {C: dog barking} and don't have no respect and no {D: they have no regard why thats a nigger.} I told 'em I said I'm colored I said but I ain't no nigger. {X} I said any race can be a nigger. {C: dog barking} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {D: The door is how white you is or how black you is now.} {X} {D: You can be a nigger.} {NS} A person being a nigger to my appearance {D: no having no respect you only care for yourself nobody else.} #1 Thats the # Interviewer: #2 What could # if anybody could could be that could anybody be a pecker wood too? {C: dog barking} Or is that usually just associated with {C: dog barking} 505: #1 Yeah. {C: dog barking} # Interviewer: #2 whites {C: dog barking} # 505: Just just just a word that got used on a white just like you'd use on a nigger. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: Uh {D: yeah nigger oh.} I tell her anybody can be a nigger though. And a pe- a peckerwood is a peckerwood. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: That's a bird. And you you why you're not a pecker wood you're white. Now why they gonna call you a pecker wood? Interviewer: #1 {NS} # 505: #2 {NS} # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Interviewer: #1 Well what about? # 505: #2 But do you know we got a # {X} {D: in here and I think that's a worse thing than niggers.} {D: You maybe introduced him maybe know his name is uh} {D: jury law.} Interviewer: The what? 505: {D: Jury law.} {D: Jury law.} Interviewer: Ah. 505: And he he's supposed to be a {X} in there and that's all he {D: call you.} {X} {D: Rubbernecks.} and I and he might've said well I think that's the worst and nastiest thing and you call a nigger {D: Jace.} And that nigger Interviewer: Yeah. 505: {D: he wrestles nearly every Sunday.} what was {X} and uh {X} {D: sad when you see them a in school year.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: And that's uh he got enough money and now he's probably. {X} Interviewer: Hmm. If I had this house for money. {X} Well have you ever heard the another person call a another person a cracker? 505: No. Interviewer: Never heard of that? 505: {NW} No. What they mean about that? Interviewer: {NS} I'm not sure exactly what they mean but you hear it hear it a lot of the times um he's nothing but an old {X} cracker. 505: Yeah? Interviewer: Kind of old? #1 {X} # 505: #2 Slang word # Interviewer: #1 {D: Something like that.} # 505: #2 I guess. # This is some kind of old slang word I guess. No I never heard of that. {X} {D: I used to help them out but since he} {D: got some} {X} {X} I get sick of that. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: You get up there you red necks be quiet out there you black folks #1 just # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: {D: asked to be quiet.} {X} {D: I think that someday as soon as we graze on the} {X} {NW} {D: but first you get in their type.} {X} Interviewer: Well tell me what have you heard of? You ever heard a person who's from the country called anything by city folks in particular? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Whats that? 505: {X} just like if I go to town and I'm on my way back {D: you're ignorant.} {NS} I can barely {X} {D: and you'd be as ignorant as I.} Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 See? # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # Interviewer: #1 {X} # 505: #2 {D: That's why we say they say she don't lump.} # Interviewer: Oh. 505: You haven't been here in the morning you don't know. Now now now you've been you {D: thats right speak for you to know.} {D: More about him than you do about your home.} No. {D: So you haven't been here a moment.} {D: Now I can you can take me to your own.} {X} {D: Cause I remember I'd just be going around I would know.} {D: And no doubt you'd been round and go different places down there and then} {D: people places you know down there and you could go} {D: but you had to find your way back.} {D: Because you didn't give old ray shed you wouldn't you wouldn't look however but you'd know like I know.} all these {X} {D: and sometimes you may be on the wrong old side.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: But then they're gonna lie th-they're just gonna say you eating it?} No. {D: You just don't know because you hadn't believed in me and you hadn't been} {D: the business you're just trying to do.} Interviewer: Have you ever heard of a country person called a hoosier? {D: Thinking back.} {D: he's just more hoosier?} 505: {D: I hear 'em called happy maybe.} Interviewer: {NW} Mm-hmm. 505: There's old {X} you know. Interviewer: {NW} Is that right? 505: You {D: he's hurting rubber necks he can make me some soup.} {D: Sometimes if you'd become} {X} I said I'd say he makes me angry I say I don't get mad but {X} angry for being stupid I said that's stupid. Mm-hmm. I said now you've got new something going. Cut the nicks from over there well I said that ain't right. I say he's stupid. Yeah he's we sure did call him that. Interviewer: {D: Well you ever heard anybody say he's just an old podunk?} 505: {D: Over over podunk.} Uh-huh. Interviewer: {D: Podunk?} 505: No. Interviewer: Haven't heard that? 505: No I #1 haven't. # Interviewer: #2 It's # just an expression. 505: Yeah? Interviewer: You hear it somewhere. What about if uh if somebody was waiting on you to get ready so they can go somewhere they might call out to you and say uh you gonna be ready soon? {C: rooster crowing in background.} {NS} You might say well I'll be with you in? 505: Few minutes? Interviewer: Well what about if you were traveling and you think you're on the right road but you're not quite sure you might stop and ask somebody well how? 505: How far is distance to the road or what I'd {C: rooster crowing} what does this road lead you to? {X} And my sister said she's {X} I hardly ever put any more. {X} Interviewer: What about if I'm if you're trying to show me something that's here in the room? Try to point it out to me and I'm just looking around and I can't see it but it's in plain sight you might point to it and say? 505: #1 Where is? # Interviewer: #2 Well just? # Uh-huh. 505: Look in there. Interviewer: Uh-huh or look here? #1 Something like that? {C: rooster crowing} # 505: #2 Yeah maybe that. {C: rooster crowing} # Interviewer: Have you ever {C: rooster crowing} do you ever use that expression when uh when you uh oh scolding somebody like say now look here. 505: {D: Yes what would I do.} {NW} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: {NW} Yeah. Yeah you me I {X} {D: been lots of times I have trouble saying that this lookie here.} I said the very next time you do that you get in church with. {X} Interviewer: Oh? 505: Well well well I like it don't reuse the {X} we don't we know better but we just it's just old custom I say. Interviewer: Well tell what about if uh if you want to know how many times about something you say for example going to town you might ask somebody well {C: rooster crowing} well how? 505: How often is that what you're saying? Interviewer: Yeah. or let's say if uh if you're agreeing with somebody who's telling you about something let's say that this person says well well I don't think I'm gonna vote for Gerald Ford for president and if you agree with 'em you'd say well? {NS} 505: {D: I'd say well I'll vote your way and I'll vote mine.} That's what I'd say. Interviewer: Well let's say if you just happen to uh agree with 'em though and you're gonna do the same thing what might you say? he'd says I'm not gonna vote for him and you'd say well that's right. 505: That's what {D: I'm gonna make it.} Interviewer: I wanna ask you uh a few parts of the body this part right here what would you call that? 505: Forehead. Interviewer: Okay. Now uh this is my? 505: Ear ear. Interviewer: Which one is it? 505: Huh? Interviewer: Which one is it? 505: {D: This one in through here?} Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: That's the right ear. Interviewer: And this is the? 505: Left. Interviewer: {D: Yep.} And this right here what about is my? 505: It's your left. Interviewer: Okay. And these are my? 505: Teeth. Interviewer: You got one? 505: {D: Mouth?} Interviewer: You got a mouth full of teeth but if I knock one out uh I got one? 505: {D: You have a dirty mouth.} Interviewer: Okay and just one of 'em you call a? 505: {D: One teeth.} Interviewer: Okay. What about uh this part right here that bobs up and down? 505: {D: Oh that's your goozle there.} Interviewer: Goozle? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 You ever heard that # called anything else? 505: I think that there used to be. {X} {D: They pick up I just said goozle.} {NS} {X} {C: rooster crowing} Interviewer: What's that? 505: {X} some maybe call it. Interviewer: {X} 505: Uh-huh. Interviewer: #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {D: Know where your goozle is right here.} # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # I know all I know is goozle. Interviewer: You ever heard people call it Adam's apple? 505: No. Interviewer: Haven't heard that? 505: No. {NW} Interviewer: Adam's apple. don't ask me why. #1 {NW} # 505: #2 {NW} # {X} You just beat me cause I #1 {D: sure wasn't anything like.} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: Adam's apple. Interviewer: Adam's apple. {C: rooster crowing} {NS} 505: {D: But I'm gonna try to think of any words ain't nothing what this is.} {NW} Interviewer: One fella told me he called it his go fetch it. 505: Go fetch it? Interviewer: Well that's when you swallow it goes. 505: #1 Yeah. # Interviewer: #2 You know? # 505: #1 {D: Spit you down} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 into. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # I guess so. {NW} Well what about if I let my hair on my face grow out I'd grow a? 505: A beard. Interviewer: Okay. And what about uh this fleshy part around your teeth that's your? 505: The gums. Interviewer: Okay and this is my? 505: {D: Well that'd be your hand.} Interviewer: Mm and I have two? {NS} 505: {X} Interviewer: Okay. And if I make a? 505: Fist. Interviewer: I got two? 505: Fists. Interviewer: Okay. Some people you know complain when they get older that they're getting a little stiff in their? 505: Joints. Interviewer: Okay. And uh let's see that's not right. 505: {D: I cooked.} Interviewer: Okay. and this part of your leg right here #1 you can call it your? # 505: #2 Calf. # Interviewer: #1 # 505: #2 # {D: Calf or you.} {X} Interviewer: Well right in front you know sometimes you hit it on something it really stings? 505: {X} #1 That's so bad. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: Yeah I skinned my {D: I learned froma meadow.} {D: Mean business coming from all my neighbor's house.} {D: And in the school house in the whole.} {X} Um and uh we heard the dogs all barking and up here {D: on that side over here where we're living at.} {D: And here I said I bet that's a meadow meadow.} {D: Something to do.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And uh I thought he was joking I don't have time to go to the to the school house still {D: well I couldn't get here no how it's just a big stump.} {D: Cross the road ride from that meadow and jump on that stump there.} Ladies and gentlemen were {D: I I kept on going on that stump I said} full speed and this you know when {D: plopped off the happening boat.} Interviewer: Mm. 505: I had a bare neck for a long time. Interviewer: Yeah. 505: And uh and I got to the house and {D: my shoes just went over there.} Interviewer: {NW} 505: And I'm laying there though see he didn't get out of his way because he didn't already he's seen me but I saw him you know {D: coming around in church because} {D: and the church they become part of the church that altered ours.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: And he said well no here's an old meadow where he went around a tree.} And now let's turn around {X} one old stump. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: If he ate coming there} {D: he could've gotten it.} {X} This this is {D: your full full since I lied} {D: came alone in this} {D: you know why he just come on down the road in his} #1 that truck. # Interviewer: #2 Yeah. # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: Then we went the house and {D: get out the doors} and locked him up in the {D: smoke yard.} And uh got um Mama said well {X} {D: round the yard bend and my sons dig in.} {D: And we got a door lock him up.} Mama said Bill said I hear that dog at that gate. {D: He jumped up and got a shotgun while she's} {D: going around my} {X} {D: got his shot and he missed it.} {D: But the hall was so} {D: take him in the king of the house he gonna bust in and} he come right back to that hallway. Right back back uh where. {X} And uh we don't know why really he did it he lived {X} not to hit him. Go right back there and then jumped on those same dogs. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Yep yep. {D: That thing used to be baying and I'd be still trying not to be.} All this time {D: you gotta be getting my way down.} {D: It was all you could do out there.} {D: And now I'm over and I got} {D: I was really scared when there though.} Interviewer: Well yeah you should be. 505: Yeah. {X} They got a they come down if they see that dog after that didn't have money to spend on he did it he. {X} {X} And I couldn't understand just if he were a a small dog {D: he was a man who outrun a bulldog.} He just booked it. #1 And I never # Interviewer: #2 Mm-hmm. # 505: did understand it but {D: my daddy said if it was sick they would carry it.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: {D: He said that he couldn't stand that scent he carried.} Now I don't know what it was but I'm here to tell you and an old dog he's {D: old and he weighed about sixty fifty sixty pounds.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: and he was a {X} {D: color.} {D: That's the thing that the old man had uh seen that night.} {X} {D: And he would be a.} {D: Well I said make him baby train} {X} {D: and then check that thing and I'll make you look back.} Every hundred was a horse {D: of her hands you know} {D: horse and dog couldn't get out.} But our yard was fenced in and to the barn running the dog {D: or a horse with a pitchfork.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: He said look out look out {X} {D: me and Bill hold it within that gate.} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: And time he got that {X} {D: and they hit him} he tried coming to get me. {X} {NW} {D: And close the thing it back in I plan and don't tell Mama it's getting out.} Mama's boy. They hear she was hollering {X} but he kept on down close to Richard creek. {D: And we rode down to the house} {D: behind the thicket.} And the {X} {D: he coming on back.} And we all ran right across in front of that church. {D: While we stayed now that called any other church.} {NS} And they shot him shot him down over there but he {D: but he was still tall you know} {D: get along happy and you and he's smooth} and he uh {NW} he went through the {NW} {D: that night he'll come in the yard that night and Mama said} {D: J-B you'd better obey with your Papa.} Name's James {D: she called him J- J-B} see now now and he's out there tearing that dog oh. {NS} And Mama said I really have to {X} {D: I gotta go say I didn't think that the new house would look like} {X} I didn't think there was no meadow. {D: And uh uh she said if a pig was shooting at you in the meadow he was shooting you with a pistol.} {D: And but he would roll up and get his son} {D: so I shot him but he} {X} we don't know why he killed him a {X} {D: neither.} {D: And if he would've put my dogs you wouldn't have even} {D: pop him and} {X} {D: two days after then pop him down long chain.} And put him {D: on we'd put it on.} {X} But he fixed it probably couldn't get to the other dog. And tired of just {X} he done take 'em out and {D: clean up if there's a shit there you know.} {D: I love ya.} {D: He tried and then one day he went mad.} I said Mama Mama she said what {D: she pointed up.} I said come on in {D: this time or so} {D: oh my puppy gonna mate.} He said {D: whatcha do about it?} {D: I said see how he bring it} {X} {D: little guy?} {D: And she turned around and said sure go here} so I said {D: maybe you could break that call} {D: among so you couldn't} {D: move here till I get} do you need a house he said. And he just {D: this ball out here I'm fixing to just} {D: kick him and he get up and his eyes be just dazed.} He said {X} trying #1 I was I was small I was trying and all. # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: #1 # Interviewer: #2 # 505: But my {X} {D: I was just his kiddie.} My Pa would've said he can't get you {X} and they got hicks to throw away. {C: dog barking} And knock the panel off the fence. The painted. {D: And slowing down on top of that.} {X} They chain {D: and he drug him on onto that wagon.} {D: To that field and then they wrapped around} {X} {D: but you see you couldn't get in the way.} {D: And they came up in the woods and was shot.} {D: But don't you} {X} bad dog one day at the house and didn't know it. Interviewer: Mm. 505: {D: When it steps and he's up on that} {X} {D: and I thought} {X} dog. {D: Just like you know you got uh a box for your sticks.} You couldn't see me is up under there you know and they grow up on that. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. And better time {D: on the dog} come out of a contest with me {D: and he come up on them jump on that dog man you talking about} {D: checking them dogs and getting in their house.} I guess so. I guess so. 505: I I I I didn't have time {D: and he would he would roll the portrait in the window.} He had he had it forced {D: and he had it worked until he got off the force} {C: background noise} {D: ain't never been something about like that.} {D: And and and the and the out of the way and barely did come in with me.} {D: And maybe he get out there and bring the ch-chase in front of the dog.} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. {D: Now unless they want to abandon.} {D: And he could come back to the home where I had my bush.} {D: Shed no he come back to the whole and} Start there in that row {D: I brought him one.} I turn that dark dog loose on that door {D: I didn't know I'd be there.} {NW} I told him so I got him yeah I got him. This and the I said and and yes please {D: something I said I say you don't know how to turn} and I say you always {X} {D: it's a hole again.} Say hold it against your shoulder here I say. {D: We're just gonna keep it and keep it whining here and I said I'll bring it soon.} And he he got in that {X} {D: so they shot him.} {NW} Mm-hmm. 505: {D: You just turn them on.} Interviewer: Yeah? 505: {D: He said you think you're done sometimes and} as scared as I was I don't know how I did. {D: And I don't know.} He scared him. {D: So he taken out the dog's out and killed 'em cause he he done} {D: jumped on.} {X} Interviewer: I don't think I've ever seen anyone. 505: #1 {X} {C: laughter} # Interviewer: #2 {X} {C: laughter} # 505: You ask me about a beer hit a horse. And he was uh a brave man. {X} And this man though come from {D: I don't know why they don't come over you had to turn in the rain to come to my house} there on the main on the main road. This is my puppy here and {D: I did that trick catching it please don't go off the road.} And uh {D: let's do it I had just handed out that and now we'll see.} And here in all the woods {D: hatched and I didn't even have a screen over it.} {D: In it go like a field I didn't get that much sleep.} She's so honest said here come a dog. I said what. {D: No it didn't I don't run that long fence.} She said here come the dogs shut the door. {D: And she did that shut the doors on that} {X} {D: she said why are your dogs out I said I don't know they're so big.} {D: And I hollered at Bill look how they're coming up.} And I hollered at him. And I hollered at him. I ain't {X} {D: really really bad.} {D: And he reeled and went back to the road.} And I hollered at Bill look out. Back on the meadow there and then no he took his horse and loose and turned another horse loose and nobody could get out of the way. And he rode that horse to the house and got that shotgun and he rode out and steal that horse {D: until he hit that meadow.} And then that horse Old Bill shoot was shooting down there and then the scene. {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm. 505: {D: The kind that totally laid I could see him jumping.} And then they're {X} {D: and I said Lord be the dog idea.} They say you're crazy and I say I'll be it again. He said {C: laughing} no Millie I never moved it. {NW} Interviewer: {NW} 505: {X} Interviewer: So a young one? 505: {D: Yep.} That's the uh {D: we could look at his} {X} {NS} Interviewer: Well that's not Bill looks somebody else. {C: stomping in background} {NS} 505: This is black. {C: background noise} Interviewer: Oh yeah. {C: background noise} 505: That that's a black one. {D: That's Bill, hi.} {D: Are you getting rid of the scooter now?} {NS} {NS} He seems to be unenjoyable. Interviewer: Well what about that now have you ever heard those called a shin? You know you hit your shins #1 or something like that? # 505: #2 {NW} # {X} Interviewer: What about that if you have to if you have to get down like this you know you this part right here you'd say you're squatting on your? What would you call that anything? 505: That's a roll just like you bend in half? Interviewer: Uh-huh. 505: Squatting down on your thigh. Interviewer: Yeah okay. Ever heard people call that the haunches? 505: Yeah. Interviewer: Something like #1 that? # 505: #2 Some of 'em # call them the haunches. Interviewer: Uh-huh. {X} What about a a person who's been sick for a while but he's up and about now? But you might stay say he still looks a little bit? 505: {X} Interviewer: You ever heard of people say he looks a little peaked? 505: #1 Mm-hmm. # Interviewer: #2 Something # like that? What about uh oh you know a person who has a smile on his face and just never loses his temper you'd say he's mighty? Interviewer: Okay let's see. I was asking you the first two who is always smiling you know and and never loses his temper? would you say that he's mighty what? 505: I'd say he's um {NS} Well you know what I'd say He has a pleasant attitude. Interviewer: Or something like he's mighty good natured or something like that? well what about you know when a boy is growing up maybe a teenager? He seems that he gets uh to a stage where he's just just stumbling over everything you know running into things, falling over, tripping over his own feet, you'd say he's mighty 505: I'd say he's mighty crazy for one thing {NW} I'd say that {X} I said what's wrong with you I said you Did you lose it {X} Interviewer: Okay okay {X} 505: {X} {D: you want some icing}? Interviewer: No that's fine 505: {NW} I don't know uh Jim gets the cherry one {X} {X} {NW} {NW} {X} {D: you've been working on it a minute} {X} {D: and I see if I} I says okay sometime {X} Until it's the {D: you were right} {X} he ain't gonna be gone before you get there {X} {NW} {D: Do you remember what you said} He said I don't know if I'm being slow but I'm playing ball. She said yes that's where I started playing ball {X} About wanting to go She was just cheating you know. That he was going to be playing basketball And he's gotten good at Uh {D: and I} {X} {D: And he's}- after that I lost my husband he had to be out {X} {D: sitting in because I'm out} {D: every student long time in a class} {D: a kid admitted the whole school} {X} That boy was only thirteen years old but they knew it wouldn't take him {X} {X} And you- you- you just- you tell me what now {D: mom is going to be sick with worry} {D: and she'd be kind of glad} {X} And I ain't his real mother {X} He didn't come for a long time {X}. Interviewer: Well what about a- a person like that we were talking about would you say maybe he's he's mighty awkward or clumsy or- 505: I said he's clumsy. Interviewer: Clumsy? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: okay what about a person who has as lot of money but never spends any of it just hangs onto it you say he's just 505: Stingy. Interviewer: Ever heard a person like that called anything else besides stingy? 505: No I guess not Some people say even if you got things like that usually say what I just said You're just stingy. Interviewer: Ever heard them called a tight wad or something like that? 505: Yes some folks saying he tight and all like that. Interviewer: Yes they do When you- did have you ever use the- the word common about a person. You just say he's a common person what do you mean by that? 505: Well What I would think about it {D: Doesn't think every time} {X} Common I get why you would be Just seem to be the same thing. And some people you can meet today The one you meet today you meet a lot and the other one you just {X} {D: check that person} Because {X} Sometimes you Just like you come here today you were here yesterday You came here today and I act like I don't know you you don't think about me I was I wouldn't know anything about you. So that is common in the person And then to me just uh J- just got a whole attitude to her- towards Themselves and everybody else. That's what I would say. Interviewer: Common folk? 505: Huh? Interviewer: Co- common person? 505: I mean a person I mean you know just what I mean just didn't Every day I got there you got different ways you know Interviewer: Yeah 505: Some days you act like you don't know me Well that ain't a common person {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: And that's the only other person every time you see them trying to Treat you like you want to be treated. Interviewer: I see. what about if you knew a an older woman say about eighty-five or so but she still uh got around and did her own work and own cooking and that sort of thing? you'd say that she still Getting kinda old she was she was still mighty 505: Active And that's just what {X} {D: into the house} and just like a {X} Know what kind of breathing material and everything up until it was {X} And she couldn't see through it neither {D: but she sure kept it out so}. {X} {X} You never heard that? {D: And that's the best even with a big star student} You know {X} and all them people {D: say I'm fixing to call you} They ain't went through {D: the doctor said} {X} And then uh I wanted to tell you once you get old {X} {D: the big star is still getting credit} She helped raise up two of these kids {D: Until she died in a year} You couldn't hold her {X} Interviewer: Hmm 505: Every day After that she and her husband are seventy that's all she gets {X} {D: and lonely break-ups} Mother was old and she used to {D: see out the window} And then now you get {X} So many of those wonderful questions Said everybody {X} I said well I said guess it's a good life lived. {X} what you gonna do when you get to heaven? He said what did you say I'm telling you if you're gone now {X} {NW} {D: and so he said} You won't be able to tell nobody you was a lawyer {X}. {NW} {X} He He came in one day and I {D: I was hitting a} Do some working in his house She had done She had gotten ready to go {X} And uh she called me {X} It's going to be a working day She wasn't able to do all that So I waltzed in there and I sit down {D: and I did work in there} The woman said she wouldn't sit down She wants to be able to see what you're doing. And then You get in and you sit up You're telling me you cook at any time for him He can call my name {X} He said {D: what her name Mary} He said out her name {X} {D: remember} I said yes Miss Mary asked me {X} He said Mary you want to cook another for me and I said no I said as soon as I put this down I'm going to try to get home I said this- this I'm tired He said well wherever you did you're being {X} I'm going to tell you I said yes So I didn't think about any {X} I meant to but I just Working and working long on the farm you have plenty {X} {D: See what} {X} He said no said I know she didn't because she's been working on {X} {X} If she just got the chance but I know she didn't {D: so that got a big advantage to you} That's the one thing for those I don't want to chance it Uh {D: she helps} {X} I said {D: the color white} {D: it's going to be that good} {X} He said uh I wouldn't be a {X} {D: divide} Person actually do something you can't do just try to do you best So yeah I said only thing I ask you if you could do your best That's a lot of people out there {X} He said don't do that {X} I said let me give you a {X} I said {X} but I have to He said {D: thanks} He said I'm trying though before you ask me about a time {NW} Soon as he got that he told the {D: niece that uh} Got a smaller {X} I was about I- I was about nineteen then So you better trust me He said well that should be {X} {NW} You can just get you was different You know you just can't hold it {X} {D: come on and miss} {D: you found out} {X} I ain't paying her for the time just paying her for the {X} {D: you see me do all them things} {D: cheat me} I said {X} He says sounds like just like a {D: nigger} {NW} And something then I went bac- when she was home again {D: considering the household} He asked me to cook him a pie I said I {X} No cook it again cook it on {X} I said your stove cooks too fast. So I don't know how to adjust it just Down there they haven't ever cooked on it that's just I use my stove And then I said whenever you come back I said I don't know just {X} He said well Mary knows {X} And then she I know {X} But she don't like them And she made the pie So I cooked the pie like I was folding this dough because since she {X} {D: He'd come to pick her up he says I'm never going to get you} He said now check this {X} and I said no {X}. You'd notice and you had worked long and every day and bake a lot and baked you some pies I said well the {X} You said tell me {X} I said no I'm not. I said I got a husband I've got to go home. He he's a nice man since My husband died He told me how {X} But I won't do this Share with you his system now He said {X} That you've been mad I said you did it then {D: so how come you're saying} The contract you bought back on the {D: good so you can get it} I said well {D: she made me aware} {X} {D: I'm going to look and start taking that order} He said what did I tell you I said well then I said you're never getting nobody anymore I got my {X} certain for this and I know {X} {D: that's something to say} Interviewer: Tell me what are what would you call a person say somebody who left a lot of money lying around in an open view and he left the door unlocked you'd say he's mighty what 505: He's mighty careless. Interviewer: If I say what if you have an aunt named Lizzy and there really wasn't anything wrong with Aunt Lizzy she just acted uh oh I don't know just a little {X} every now and then, you might say about her well there's nothing really wrong with her she just always acts kind of 505: Dumb {NW} Interviewer: Would you ever- would you ever use the word queer? Like Aunt- aunt Lizzy acts kind of queer? 505: Well yeah We use it. Interviewer: {X} Well what about a man who uh who's made up his mind about something whether it's right or wrong and there's nothing in the world that would make him change his mind you'd say he's mighty 505: I mean I think he's stubborn. {X} because uh You see something wrong and you just move on {D: during the time you're just on} {X} Interviewer: Mighty stubborn? 505: Mm-hmm stubborn like Stubborn man there is about the same I think. Interviewer: You ever heard a person called mule-headed or- 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Something like that? 505: mm-hmm Interviewer: Well what about a person that you just can't joke with him without him losing his temper? You say he's mighty 505: Touchy? {X}. Interviewer: Well what about uh let's say somebody's about to lose his temper and you don't want him to you might tell him well now just keep 505: Just keep cool. cool. Interviewer: Or keep calm or something like that? Well what about if you've been working all day pretty hard you say you're very 505: Very tired? Interviewer: Or if you're very very tired you say you're all 505: Beat out. Interviewer: Beat out okay. Well what about uh if uh you might say that somebody came home from school early uh or well because he 505: {D: cut school}? Interviewer: Okay well let's just say he wasn't feeling well. 505: Ya. or uh or maybe- maybe uh say you ha- say somebody's at the hospital you might say Yeah Interviewer: You might say well he was looking fine yesterday what was it he 505: {X} And now nobody checks to see if it's still good. Interviewer: Or you might say uh let's say you're- you're going somewhere and you're taking it easy you know you're not in a hurry you say oh we'll- we'll get there 505: We'll get there in plenty of time. Interviewer: Do you ever hear people say oh we'll get there by and by. 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: {X} Well what about if a person got overheated and chilled at the same time you know and nose started running and his eyes were watering you say he caught a 505: Cold? A cold? Interviewer: and if it affected his voice you know? 505: His Tonsils Interviewer: Uh-huh So he talked he- he might say I'm a little bit 505: Hoarse Interviewer: {NS} Or if I do {NW} that I've got a little 505: Thing in your throat Interviewer: And I had to {NW} 505: Cough it up Interviewer: Okay what about if somebody has trouble hearing you say they're stone 505: Stone deaf/ Interviewer: Okay and some people get these places on their skin you know they're oh I don't know they're red places and they- they kind of hurt and you have to mash them like that sometimes and white stuff will come out? 505: Yeah they call that a ring worm. Interviewer: Is that right? is that the same thing as what some people call a boil? 505: No {X} {NS} He had uh They they you you bursted them up alright {X} {X} But a boil {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: Alright Interviewer: {X} 505: But uh A bunion is jus- just on here bumps sometimes you see it {X} And what- what we said I remember that boil Them things have you so some time you can't hardly walk {X} Interviewer: Yeah {X} What about 505: Rising as well either way Some call them boil some call them some of them rising and say Have you ever saw Person with a {X}? Interviewer: What? 505: {X} Interviewer: I'm not sure what you're saying 505: {D: a bone fellow} That's a thing that you the doctor said come from bruising your finger some kind of way And it comes from that bone and they had to split this Thing and get that collided and scoop this bone. Interviewer: Hmm. 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Thats pretty painful 505: No no no want to get that out of my house Out of the house {X} And I just {D: have been fixing things} And I know I know what I did {D: she was hurt} {X} {D: but the doctor he knew} {X} Bone bone scraped that scraped that bone. Interviewer: Well what do you call that white stuff that comes out when you mash one of those boils that's the 505: That's called {X} Interviewer: What about you know if somebody got accidentally shot or stabbed in the leg and you have to take him to the doctor so the doctor can treat the 505: Wound Interviewer: And what about if it if it didn't heal cleanly you know you'd have this kind of uh 505: Stitch it up Interviewer: Uh-huh and this this uh kind of white substance would form around it if it got infected? 505: Yeah Interviewer: #1 What kind of what would you call that # 505: #2 That's # Infection Interviewer: Infection or have you ever heard people call that proud flesh know what that is? 505: You can just take the You can take the tweezers and just And then pick this stuff under it just like Almost like butter some just to Push the middle decayed back Interviewer: Yeah 505: mm-hmm Interviewer: well what about if you if you got a little cut on your finger if you wanted to keep it from getting infected you o- you might go to your medicine cabinet and put some just a liquid on it you know? what do you call that stuff? 505: Mm-hmm Iodine. {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah 505: And then you use a band-aid and put on Interviewer: Okay and some people when they got malaria would take this stuff that's kind of a bitter white powder you know? 505: {X} Talking about like quinine Interviewer: Uh-huh what about uh say a person who died you might say about him well he's been dead now a week and nobody's yet figured out what he 505: {X} Interviewer: Okay and the place where you- where uh where people are buried you call that the 505: Cemetery. Interviewer: And the box that they're placed in that's the 505: Coffin. Interviewer: And the ceremony for the person that's the 505: Funeral. Interviewer: And the people who are dressed in black you say that they are in 505: Mourning Interviewer: What- what- what would you say uh if somebody meets you on the street and and asks uh uh how you're doing? what might you say to them? 505: I'm doing fine. how are you? Interviewer: Just on an average day you'd say something like that? well what about this is a disease that uh you don't hear about very much but children used to die from it because they'd get sores you know on the inside of their throat and they couldn't s- couldn't breathe 505: Diphtheria? Interviewer: Ya. 505: You know I heard but uh I never seen {X} Interviewer: I g- I guess 505: Do you know they say that's going around now? Interviewer: No 505: That's {X} Every time the children would get that Uh little children which you know {X} Just come to school They get all their shots and {X} Sure did. It's some {NS} You know Well you're going to talk of a I guess you've seen it on the TV but I They have each of the school children {NS} Uh {X} School With teachers and all You haven't seen that since you've been here? Interviewer: I don't think so 505: I can't think of the name of the place but it's uh {X} But then the point is to capture it in there some of them taking sick meds Then a lot of people just come in and And uh Avalanche that thing and take them away. Interviewer: Hmm 505: But uh they had uh Got them down {X} because it- some of them was sick and the name {D: fell out}. Interviewer: Hmm 505: And I guess they had some nurses sitting there they kind of assume {X} Notice them or something And they didn't {X} And they got to train {D: account of somewhere somewhere to} But people was on it {X} Interviewer: If you're talking about diseases have you ever heard of a disease that will make your skin turn yellow? 505: Yellow- yellow jaundice? Interviewer: And what about if you- somebody gets a real bad pain around right about here? you might just be having an attack of 505: Appendicitis I had it I can tell you about that. Interviewer: Okay 505: That's my operation appendicitis {X} Interviewer: Hmm. 505: I wasn't even married when I started having pains The doctor now said he can't And I wasn't those {X} {D: down with it you know}? I usually Called the doctor using an ice capsule and give you some medicine now get up. And {X} In July. I had to leave my door in {X} To go the hospital {X} And they operated on me the same day I got there. And I'm feeling good with this {X} {D: I know very many} I think they think I settled there too long And used {X} Kind of stuff you {X} {X} You get changed She was in {NS} The hallway {D: She got done that} {NW} He had a glass door he would look in it Just like you look in there and you're looking at an operating table And that's the way he saw me This is going to be {D: my answer} Right there That appendix is going to go And they had to take it out and cut it out. Interviewer: Is that right? 505: {X} {D: they may something in something like that} It's a bad little thing. Peace of mind the thought. {X} And the same day they take it out initially you go in there real sick and before you I don't know how she got in there {X} My family brought her by {X} But uh just getting ready to getting up and go ahead and bust And I saw {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: It is {NS} Embarrassing stuff Interviewer: So what about uh if a person ate something that didn't agree with them and it came back up you say you had to do what/ 505: Had to take something for digestion. Interviewer: Or if it when it comes up you say he had to 505: Throw it up? Interviewer: Have you ever heard anybody say anything other than he had to throw up or he had to uh 505: Well sometime if you got that indigestion {X} You can just spit it up Interviewer: Spit it up alright vomit or 505: Mm-hmm Yeah Interviewer: Same thing? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: okay, you say somebody who was like that you say he's sick where he's sick 505: In his stomach. Interviewer: Say a- a young boy like you were talking about a few minutes ago goes to see one particular girl pretty regularly 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: You say he's doing what? He's 505: You mean just like if he's got the one girl Uh Well I guess he's in love with her. Interviewer: Getting serious 505: #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 about her? # 505: Serious about her he's in love with her. Interviewer: You ever heard people say anything else that would describe that uh you know one boy going with one particular girl who decides uh you know being in love with her or in love with her? 505: {X} {NS} Sometimes people some say {X} They're getting attached to each other or something like that. Interviewer: Or maybe he's courting her or something like that? and he would be her what? 505: Her friend Interviewer: Girlfriend boyfriend. What if he came home one night uh his little- his little brother saw that he had some lipstick on his collar he might say aha 505: {NW} Interviewer: Say you've been 505: You've been kissing that girl right there. Interviewer: Well what if what if he asked her uh to marry him and she doesn't want to you'd say that she did what to him 505: {D: she disappointed} Interviewer: Or maybe she uh what else might you say? she uh 505: Deceived Interviewer: Well she might not necessarily deceive him she just might not be ready yet 505: Well yeah {X} Interviewer: Well that's true but you know it would be deceiving him I guess 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: You might say she turned him down or something like that? A- and when he- what do you call the man who stands up with the groom he's the 505: Bride? Interviewer: The man then 505: No the woman Interviewer: Okay who's the man who stands- 505: The groom. Interviewer: Okay usually there's a man who will stand up next to the groom 505: {X} Interviewer: What? 505: {X} {X} {D: something for that} Interviewer: Alright 505: Um I know what it is the word {X} Interviewer: It's sometimes called the best man or 505: Yeah the best man {X} But he's called the best man Interviewer: What about the other girl who stands up with the bride? she's the what? 505: {D: groom} No she's the {X} Interviewer: Okay or sometimes called the uh bridesmaid or 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: matron of honor or something like that? have you ever heard of uh after a couple gets married uh a group of people might follow them back to the house and just start making all kinds of racket and celebrating and just carrying on like that? ever heard of anything like that? 505: Mm-hmm Throwing rice {X} They had thrown that rice {X} They're just throwing rice Because they're just celebrating I guess. Interviewer: Well what about let's say if uh some people are having a party and they start making too much noise and they start getting rowdy and rambunctious and the police come over and police don't arrest just one of them they arrest the 505: Whole bunch. Interviewer: And sometimes when you have a party the couples might get out on the floor you know and move around you say they had a 505: Dance Interviewer: What about if uh th- the children get out of school at at three o'clock you say that at three o'clock school 505: Gets out. Interviewer: And then towards the end of vacation time you might ask well when does school 505: Start. {NS} Interviewer: Or let's say uh a- a little boy leaves home and is supposed to go to school but he never shows up at school on purpose. you say he did what? 505: {NW} Little boy {X} {X} Yeah he he he get out {D: you got a man} But I was talking about send him. That's where she {X} Interviewer: Yeah 505: I know {X} I said {X} She said oh man I got tutored And that child is playing hooky from school. Interviewer: Mm-hmm 505: And what she did {D: she went to school} But you come back She's not going to be able to go to the house to get keys to the place {X} I'm working {X} Always sending me somewhere plain I said she got no business getting on no bus {X} I said it's time to go to school. {X} I said well {X} so I got on the school on the phone call all the school mates They told her what she wanted {X} {X} {D: taught us in elementary since} {X} {D: and then I don't know} {X} Because she needed it {X} {D: she wants to} and she's going to get out {X} {NW} I told her I would talk to her {D: just might be suspended} {X} Why is it that you got on the bus You're going to school And when {X} telling people {X} {X} That's so why didn't you ask me before you went home? You were just thinking I don't know {X} I said {X} You don't want your mind just {D: and keep that mind there} {X} I don't know. I never told her {D: she got the beating I got} I've gotten {X} I gave her a good whipping {X} {D: I'm going to go by to talk to her} I said if this happens again I said that won't be the last whipping. I said now I'm I'm You honestly you just You're just my nephew's child and I said you're staying here and I'm clothing you and feeding you and sending you to school {X} I said I don't want ever this happen no more. I said it's too much to handle {X} Long end and just side I mean go to your age in both {X} And let's say she did I didn't know why she would she just wouldn't And uh She told me and said Told me {X} {X} I said {X} After I tell her not to pay face into things like that {X} {X} I said yeah well now some people will I said well {X} I said yeah they have faith. And God knows {X} {X} Interviewer: {NW} Oh 505: But she {X} And she's sitting there looking like another 7 year old. Interviewer: Yeah 505: {D: I just hope that next evening} {X} You didn't get what happened to me As somebody coming to kill me but I'm looking for you I said what had happened? I don't know. And I got through the way she took me along by this because she's not she really knew Interviewer: Yeah {X} Talking about school after high school some people go on to 505: High school. Interviewer: After they get through with high school some go onto 505: college Interviewer: Oh ya okay an-and these things that uh well if you were if you wanted to check out a book uh in town where would you go to get the book? You'd go to a 505: Book Interviewer: Uh-huh 505: You- you can- you can you can go to the bookstore. Interviewer: Uh-huh or if you didn't want to buy one you just wanted to check it out you know 505: Um you can go to the {X} You can go the bookstore, Drug store. {NS} You find different books over there. Interviewer: What about just going to the library? 505: Yeah they got libraries {X} Interviewer: Well what about if if you have to stay overnight in the town you might stay at the 505: Hotel? Interviewer: If you wanted to see a play or a movie you would go to the 505: To the movies. Interviewer: Or the some people call it the 505: The drive-in theater. Interviewer: And if you were uh if you were sick and had to go to the hospital the woman who takes care of you in the hospital she's called the 505: Nurse. Interviewer: And if you wanted to catch a train in town you'd go down to the 505: Depot. Interviewer: Um or the- some people call it the 505: Station. Don't you go down there {X} {NW} {X} Interviewer: Well what about if you wanted to catch a bus where would you go? 505: I'd go down to the station there on the highway people go on. Interviewer: S- you know sometimes uh I think Covington is this way have a place right in the center of the town you know around the courthouse? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: You call that the 505: Courthouse square? Interviewer: Square okay. what about if uh let me see uh If you have uh {NW} two streets that crossed each other like this you know? one going this way and one going that way? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: and if you were standing on this corner right here and you wanted to get over here with a thing going from here to here to here and you get to a {X}? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: what would you say- how would you say you crossed the street? 505: It seems to {X} And then you go down You go straight A line like it's there for walking. Interviewer: Uh-huh 505: And you go get in between the two lines and go right on across. Interviewer: Mm-hmm have you ever heard of people who what- you- sometimes you have a traffic light there 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: And it tells you when to cross? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: And sometimes some people cross against the law? #1 And you're not supposed to # 505: #2 {X} # will walk when it tell you not to Interviewer: Yeah 505: We don't have a safety light in {X} You know just like if uh You get in that line If a car coming {X} They will let you get by because you It's not like there's space for two more sides {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm have you ever heard the expression catty-corner? 505: Catty-corner? Uh-huh Mm-hmm Interviewer: what does that mean? 505: It's not a {X} place. Kind of lopsided. Interviewer: Kind of at an angle? 505: Mm-hmm. I don't know if you've ever seen any of these or not but in some big cities {NW} Instead of having buses they have these vehicles that ran on rails and there'd be a wire overhead you know? Those are called street cars. Interviewer: Street cars ? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: {NW} What about if you were riding on a bus you might tell the bus driver well the next corner is where I want 505: I want to get off. Interviewer: And uh you say that that the police in a town are supposed to maintain what 505: Traffic. Interviewer: Traffic or maybe uh say he's supposed to maintain -tain the law and 505: Yeah Interviewer: Supposed to maintain the uh uh supposed to enforce the 505: The law. Interviewer: Okay I-I wanna ask you a few questions about some some states uh you might not know {NW} you might know it you might not um {NW} would you know what state uh the biggest city in the country's in? 505: Well- well I think it's in in in the south. I don't know {X} And the biggest city is uh Is it California? Interviewer: Mm well I was I think California would probably have more people than anything else I was thinking about New York City you know? 505: Yes That's what {X} I haven't been there but my cousin lived there they tell me that's some some town. Interviewer: Yeah 505: Yeah Interviewer: Do you know have you ever heard of Baltimore? 505: Yeah Interviewer: Do you know what state it's in? 505: Baltimore Maryland. Interviewer: And what about uh well have you ever heard of Richmond? 505: Richmond Virginia? Interviewer: What about uh Raleigh? 505: Raleigh I don't think I remember that {X} I don't think I remember maybe it wasn't {X}. Interviewer: North Carolina? have you ever been there? 505: No Interviewer: Haven't been to either North or South Carolina? 505: Nope Interviewer: Okay what about uh have you heard of what New Orleans would be in what state is New Orleans you know that? 505: Um Uh yes New Orleans Nebraska? Interviewer: No Omaha is in Nebraska 505: No yeah yeah that's what I mean Omaha is in Nebraska and uh New Orleans is in New Orleans I don't know It's New Orleans isn't it? New Orleans. {X} I said that New Orleans Interviewer: It's a southern state 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Louisiana? 505: Something like that {X} Hometown and then Texas that's about as far as I go from now Interviewer: Okay you know where um Louisville is? you heard of Louisville? 505: Louisville Kentucky? I have a friend there Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What about uh Little Rock? 505: Little Rock Arkansas Interviewer: Okay and Jackson 505: Jacksonville, Mississippi Interviewer: Okay what about uh Dallas? 505: Texas. Interviewer: Okay and uh you knew where Tulsa is? 505: Tulsa Oklahoma Interviewer: Boston is in 505: Boston uh Texas? Interviewer: No 505: oh no not no uh Boston uh Interviewer: It's up on the east coast 505: Boston is in Massachusetts Interviewer: Let's see talking about the capital of Alabama you know Mo- Montgomery 505: Montgom- Montgomery is in Alabama Interviewer: Do you know what a big sea port in Alabama is? 505: No Interviewer: {X} 505: {X} Interviewer: Okay you know where the gulf is down there on the coast of Alabama and northwest Florida do you know which gulf that is? 505: No I Interviewer: Have you heard that called anything? 505: {X} Interviewer: The gulf of Mexico? 505: Oh I know that you I told you this story yes {NW} Yeah but sometimes {X} Interviewer: Yeah what about uh some of the bigger cities here in Tennessee? like uh the big one you know that's right across the state line of Alabama? 505: Uh Memphis is uh about the {X} Interviewer: Okay 505: And uh Interviewer: Somewhere in the east uh uh Chattanooga? you've ever been there before? 505: No I've never been to that place Interviewer: What about Knoxville? 505: I have not ever been there Interviewer: Okay let's see let me ask you just a few uh foreign countries if you were in Paris 505: Paris Tennessee? Interviewer: Well there is a Paris Tennessee 505: You know I've been but the other Paris I haven't ever been there I've been to Paris Texas Interviewer: Ever hear of Paris France? 505: Yeah Interviewer: France 505: {X} Interviewer: Is that right? {X}? 505: Ya uh he took a vacation by there I don't know why he didn't go. {X} Interviewer: Where 505: {X} {X} sometimes he talks about it pretty good and sometimes he don't. Interviewer: Oh yeah 505: He was taking a vacation why he was over there {X} You take a vacation {X} Cause of the places you know he went Interviewer: Mm-hmm 505: But uh I can't call them all now. Interviewer: Okay what about when you go to church you go to hear the preacher preach a what? 505: I go to hear the gospel {X} We may and receive can go there and you hear the hear the word of God preach you know. Interviewer: What do you call it when the preacher preaches he preaches his 505: His text? Interviewer: Text yeah I was just think- {NS} thinking that there might be something else that it's called. uh you ever call it a sermon? 505: Yes Interviewer: Sermon something like that 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: And usually along with the cere- with the ceremony you'll have the preaching and the choir will 505: Sing Interviewer: And they have real pretty you know pianos playing and everything 505: Oh yeah Interviewer: Music 505: Music with the piano Interviewer: Well what about if you were looking at a at a sunset that was really attractive you'd say that sunset's just 505: Beautiful. Interviewer: What is supposed to be uh the enemy or the opposite of God that's the? 505: The enemy. Interviewer: The very opposite of God is supposed to be what? 505: The devil? Interviewer: Have you ever heard the devil called anything else? 505: Satan? Interviewer: Have you ever heard of people say s- uh talking about something called the boogeyman? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Now what is that supposed to be? 505: Ya that's supposed to be the devil. Interviewer: Is that supposed to be the devil? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What about uh a house that people think uh they won't go in it you know because maybe somebody died there it's supposed to be real 505: Yeah we call it {X} Interviewer: A what? 505: We call it a {D: gloomy} Interviewer: Really? 505: Uh-huh {X} Interviewer: What ghost? 505: Yeah Well now I've just {X} neither in the way because I {X} My mother and daddy {X} Uh we don't know I ain't ever seen nothing but I'll tell you one thing I did see. I ain't never been able to make it out And I wonder about it sometimes {X} School I was going home at the end And uh moving forward this cross {X} {D: mystery thirteen} {X} That thing was about big {X} Somewhere about ten eleven years old The building was had been made and {X} And I still was out {X} {X} Put him inside {X} {D: sitting here drawing his cap} I got a guy's cap and put it in the inside and I was in there as soon as I put it out {X} And Paul said wake up here He he he thought that there was probably {X} {X} Paul thought it was a dog And it was a {X} going in behind us {X} And we a {X} {D: bridging} {X} Because no one had {X} {D: and to withdraw the bridge} Lay- lay across the bridge that's in front of us Well we hit the bridge {X} His name was James but we called him Jim instead So we got back on the hunt And just by the time {X} You know this is a deep detail {X} Interviewer: Hmm 505: That thing I wouldn't tell you the story that thing was {X} About that long just stretched out And then it looked like it had nine feet on the ground {X} Man I got so scared I thought {NW} I got down into {X} {NS} And when {X} Nobody's trying to catch {X} And we was going to run about {X} When he got one of the things {X} She wasn't supposed to hold Hold on here {X} But he couldn't hold that hose {X} Just trying to shoot a {X} When we got home {X} Interviewer: Hmm 505: And he snapped {X} fits on there {X} But when we got home She just ran with it and {X} I had to run in the house even there Wanted to see more {X} And that's the only thing I ever seen that's {X} And I don't know about here Interviewer: {X} 505: Now what- no no no we don't know what it was But basically {X} And that voice {X} We're having to {X} And went around {X} That's what was {X} And probably didn't say a word until we got to that house {X} {X} {X} {NW} Interviewer: Well tell me uh if you {NW} if you saw a friend of yours {NS} That you hadn't seen in a long time? what what what would you say to him you know just in the way of greeting him 505: Well I'm glad to see you Interviewer: What about oh let's say if uh you woke up one morning in the winter and it wasn't just a little cold it was 505: {X} {NW} {X} Had to be the coldest one I've had since I've been here We had some a little less but {D: miss snow} Interviewer: Does it get real cold? 505: Why don't you tell me cold {X} We have the cold {X} That's the coldest winter since {X} I've been there since 1917 But I know it was cold Now I've seen some cold days but that sure was a cold year How was it in your hometown? Interviewer: It- it got pretty cold it was not really that bad doesn't get too bad down 505: In Omaha Nebraska? You must be near {X} Interviewer: We're southeast 505: In the southeast? Uh in Omaha Nebraska though All those things you would need what his sons {X} You got to transfer up from Omaha {X} And he's going to stay with his family {X} He come in wearing one morning hey I said how are you doing I said pretty good how are y'all {X} {X} I said what? {X} {X} I said well it isn't {X} But it's dreary cold And then I asked the stuff that's in the ground trees and things {X} When it's really cold here {X} Oo since I've been married I've been just as cold since I've been married I know I've been {X} Mm-hmm Interviewer: Well now tell me when uh when a friend says good morning to you what might you ask him you know in return? you said good morning you'd say 505: And how are you feeling? Interviewer: Would you say the same thing to a stranger somebody you didn't know? he's 505: Say good morning I say good morning Interviewer: Well what about if uh if somebody's leaving after a visit? you might tell them well why don't you come 505: Why don't you come back again? I enjoyed it {X} Interviewer: Well what about if uh somebody has done a favor for you, you might say well I'm much 505: I was uh I'm much obliged I appreciate what you do for me. Interviewer: What about if uh if you're not sure whether you'll have time to do something or not you might say well I 505: I have to fit it all Interviewer: {X} And let's say you might have to go downtown you have to get something or you say if I just stay there a while and do some 505: Work Interviewer: Or you go around different stores you say you're 505: Going out shopping. Interviewer: If you find something in a store the storekeeper might take some paper and 505: Wrap it up Interviewer: And when you get home you'll have to take it and 505: {X} Interviewer: Okay w-what would you say a if a store is selling things at uh less than what they paid for you'd say they're selling them at a 505: I'd say they must be {X} {NS} Interviewer: They'd be selling at a loss 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Oh let's say if you see a a real pretty coat that you like let's say well I sure would like to buy that but it just 505: Too high Interviewer: What do you say when it's time to pay the bill you say the bill is 505: Due Interviewer: And if you go out to a club some clubs require that you pay 505: The dues Interviewer: And if you wanted to buy a car and you didn't have enough money? you might go see your banker and see about see if you could 505: Borrow? Interviewer: You probably heard the expression that that that good workers are getting mighty 505: {X} {NW} {X} Interviewer: Mighty thin or mighty scarce or what not? have you ever seen uh some boys around the creek or water or something like that uh go jump off a board and you say that they're 505: springing board Interviewer: and what do you what do you call them doing they go in the water like that? 505: Diving. Interviewer: Diving and when do they you ever see one dive in and just land flat on his stomach just throw up water everywhere/ 505: Yes I have {X} In the swimming pool. Interviewer: What do you is there anything that you call that when they do that? 505: I don't know what they call that though Interviewer: You ever heard it called a belly buster or 505: {NS} But they would get off that board {X} {X} Interviewer: Yeah 505: Do you know I see 'em down here {X} I don't want to {X} You know I see them kids getting on that {X} Down {X} Interviewer: Do a pretty good job 505: Yeah Couldn't be like you know talking out there on that ground there {NS} {X} {X} Interviewer: What about you s- probably seen children playing out in the yard and they might uh one boy might tuck his head you know down between his legs and push out his feet and go over like that? you'd say he did a what? 505: Did a flip {X} Interviewer: Is there anything else you've heard that called? 505: I guess not no Interviewer: Have you- have you ever heard of people say the term somersault? 505: Yeah Somersault {NS} I heard them say somerset call them somerset {X} Interviewer: Some- Have you ever heard of a when you if a person goes down to the store to pay off his bill or something like that the storekeeper might give him a little present or a little gift? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: and you call that a what? 505: Souvenir. Interviewer: A what? 505: Souvenir. Interviewer: Oh yeah okay what would you- what do you say a baby does before it's able to walk? It just 505: Crawl Interviewer: And let's say if a boy saw something that he wanted it was up a tree, he'd have to do what to get it? 505: Climb Interviewer: Well what about if a- if a little boy was trying to scare you you know, he'd get behind the couch and he'd have to do what so you wouldn't see him? 505: He would squat down {X} Trying to scare me. Interviewer: And then when he'd- and then he'd jump up real quick and he'd probably say something 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What would he probably say 505: Boo! Interviewer: Have you ever heard uh {D: any of them heard} somebody say peep-eye? 505: Uh-huh Interviewer: What does that mean? When when do you say that? 505: You know when children get behind you and {X} peep eye. They play like that sometimes {X} And then get behind {X} Interviewer: Well what about sometimes when uh right before a a child goes to bed he might say his prayers and before he gets into bed he was- 505: Kneeling down Interviewer: Or if let's say if you're feeling tired you might say well I think I'll go to bed and 505: Say my prayers Interviewer: Sometimes when you're sleeping you uh you know you see things in your sleep you say you're having a 505: Dream Interviewer: {NS} 505: And another thing {X} You know sometimes when you dream things and uh you didn't know what it is And it won't be long {X} Interviewer: Yeah that is kind of funny. 505: Yeah I I I I that that happens {X} {X} I may not know what it is But I said that's {X} Interviewer: Oh yeah 505: mm-hmm Interviewer: talking about sleeping and you might say well I was dreaming about something but all of a sudden I 505: Fell asleep Interviewer: Or what if you were dreaming you're probably already asleep 505: Oh you mean if I was dreaming which means Interviewer: Yeah 505: Oh yeah I was dreaming about something and I just wake up and it's It's gone Interviewer: What about if a if a boy m-met a girl at a party or something and he wanted to see her home he might ask well may I 505: May I escort you home? Interviewer: Or let's say if if you've got your car stuck out in the mud there in the road you might ask somebody to take a rope and 505: Move it out Interviewer: What about if if you had a bunch of children around the house and they got in the kitchen while you were cooking something? and you had something on the stove you might say now that stove is hot so 505: {X} Interviewer: Or in other words don't you 505: get close to it? Interviewer: Or don't touch it? what about in in some children's games what do you call maybe you might be playing chase or tag or something like that? You know the place that they could run to where they'd be safe? is there anything you'd call that? 505: What you mean if you're playing something like uh tic tac toe? Interviewer: No just a game you usually play it outdoors in the yard and uh tag or something like that. And you if you run to a certain place you're safe and he can't get you? 505: Uh-huh They call something like a base Interviewer: A base? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: {NW} Well what about let's say if uh two people go meet each other in town one might say to other well if I get there first I'll 505: I've been waiting first Interviewer: Or what about if uh if let's say your husband had a had a man who worked for him who was just not doing his job your husband might say well I think I'm just going to have to get 505: Gone with him. Get rid of him. Interviewer: And then the man might come back after you got rid of him and he might ask oh then well oh why don't you give me 505: Another chance. Interviewer: And what about a man who has a smile on his face and just a pleasant word you know for everybody you'd say that well he seems to be in a mighty good 505: Mighty good mood Interviewer: Mighty good mood? you ever know a person who who really didn't know what was going on but he he's sort of uh 505: Suspicious? Interviewer: Well he's really a person who doesn't know much he just gives you tries to give you the impression you know that he does 505: Yeah Interviewer: What do you what do you say or what do you call a person like that he he just 505: Pretending that he don't know. Interviewer: What about if a boy left his desk pen out on his desk and when he got back it was gone? you might say well I'll bet somebody 505: Stole my pen Interviewer: What about if you want to get in touch with somebody you might go to telephone you might sit down and do what? 505: Write him a letter. Interviewer: And after you get through writing the letter you take the envelope and you 505: Mail it Interviewer: Did what? 505: Address it Interviewer: Okay and you might say well I'd like to write him but I don't know his 505: Number Or his address Interviewer: Or what about uh these little these things that a child likes to play with? you'd say that child sure has a lot of 505: Toys Interviewer: You ever heard toys called anything else 505: {X} {D: some word for it] {X} things like that Interviewer: You ever heard them called play pretties 505: Yeah {X} Interviewer: Okay Um what about these things that uh people grow them in pots you know they're real pretty pick 'em and put them in your house you know in vases. you might 505: Flowers {NS} Interviewer: What about if you let's say you gave your husband a watch and he just unwrapped it he was looking at it and he just kept looking at it you might say well why don't you go ahead and 505: {X} {NS} Interviewer: What about talking about maybe riding horses you might say uh well I got thrown once and I've been scared of horses ever 505: Since Interviewer: {NS} 505: I got thrown more than once {X} Interviewer: {NW} Just the opposite 505: {X} Interviewer: What about you might say well that wasn't an accident he did that 505: On purpose Interviewer: What about uh I might take a knife and fool around with it and accidentally 505: Cut yourself Interviewer: Is there anything that you might say besides 505: {X} Interviewer: Okay Or let's say a teacher might come into the room and got all these funny pictures on the blackboard she might turn around to the class and say well now who 505: Was drawing pictures Interviewer: Or what about if you if your husband had a real heavy weight that he had to lift up he might get himself a a block and a tackle and call himself doing what to get that up 505: He'd be a giant he'd would be uh elevating it up On the back block {X} {X} Mm-hmm {X} Interviewer: Is that right? 505: Someone {X} {X} Somebody who Don't worry about nobody else Interviewer: Force was up there 505: Yeah Yeah he does not {X} Interviewer: If you saw somebody in the daytime say about 10 o'clock what would you say to them just to greet them 505: How do you do Interviewer: Or what's the latest in the day you can say good morning 505: {D: Mid summer day} {X} Twelve o'clock that's the last time of the morning Interviewer: And the time of the day after morning is the 505: Good evening Interviewer: Good evening are evening and afternoon the same thing when you're leaving somebody what do you say to them 505: Why I'd be doing a goodbye Interviewer: Do you ever say good day 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: What about uh when you're leaving somebody at night you say 505: Good night? Interviewer: Maybe on the farm if you get up to work before daylight you say that you started work before 505: {X} Before the day. Interviewer: Before day or before 505: Dawn Interviewer: Maybe before sun up 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Something like that? 505: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: what about if you might be a little late to start work one morning uh because when you started work the sun had already 505: It had already {X}? Interviewer: And if you worked until the sun went out of sight you say that you worked until 505: Sun down Interviewer: Sun down? okay what about if somebody came to see you on a Sunday last Sunday you say that he came 505: {X} Sunday? Interviewer: If it is the week before 505: Sunday {X} Interviewer: And if there's somebody willing to come and see you on a Sunday after this one he's come to see you when 505: Sunday week Interviewer: Sunday week? Okay well what about if somebody came to see you and stayed for about the first of the month through the fifteenth you say he stayed about 505: {X} Interviewer: The people have you ever heard the expression he stayed about a fortnight? 505: Hmm? Interviewer: A fortnight? 505: Fort night? Interviewer: Fortnight {NS} Haven't heard that? 505: No {X} Interviewer: Okay Let's say today is today is Thursday 505: You said stayed a fortnight Interviewer: Fortnight fortnight 505: You mean just like he stayed four nights Interviewer: Uh-uh F O R T N I G H T fortnight 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Some people use that to mean about two weeks 505: Uh-huh {X} Some people haven't heard of Interviewer: Oh. What about well let's say uh today's Thursday and so Friday will be 505: {X} {X} Interviewer: Well if Thursday is today Wednesday was 505: Sunday {X} {X} Interviewer: Okay but not talking about days just like alright if you've got today that's Thursday Wednesday was 505: The day before yesterday Interviewer: Okay and so Friday will be or talking about Saturday that's the day after 505: {X} Interviewer: Saturday night or the day after tomorrow 505: Mm-hmm ya tomorrow {NS} Interviewer: What if you- if wanted to know the time of day you'd just ask somebody 505: What time is it? Interviewer: And he'd say well just let me look at my 505: Watch Interviewer: What would you call the time if it was midway between seven o'clock and eight o'clock you'd say it was 505: Half past seven Interviewer: What about if it was fifteen minutes later than half past ten? 505: {X} Eleven ? Interviewer: Okay what i- what if you've been uh doing something for a long time you might say well I've been doing that for quite now and let's say in 1976 was uh if 1976 was last year {X}- Interviewer: Okay what about if uh something happened uh about this time last year you'd say that it happened 505: last year Interviewer: Or a year 505: year before {X} Interviewer: Okay {NS} now if you go outside and look up at the sky you might say well I don't think I like the looks of those dark 505: Clouds Interviewer: Or if you look up at the sky and there aren't clouds around you might say well I think it's going to be a 505: A pretty day Interviewer: But if it's not a pretty day and the sun is not shining you might say well 505: {X} Interviewer: But what about if the clouds are getting bigger and thicker and darker and you think you might be going to have some rains you say the weather is going to be what 505: {X} Interviewer: But what about if it's been cloudy and the clouds start to go away you know and the sun starts shining through 505: Well it's a little of the sun won't come back out Interviewer: Mm-hmm what about if you get a heavy rain in just a short time say about an inch of rain in just an hour you'd say you have a regular 505: We'd have a very {X} Interviewer: You ever heard of people say anything besides flood or 505: Gully washer Interviewer: Gully washer? 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: Maybe downpours 505: Yeah downpours we've got a gully washer that don't seem like it'd be {X} As hard as I ever seen in my life And one day the storm is there and there's a big spot {X} {NS} {X} {NS} And the sun was shining I ain't never seen that before. {NS} Interviewer: Sun shining when it was raining 505: Mm-hmm Interviewer: You know what I've heard have you ever heard that called anything? 505: Devil beating his wife Yes He sure beats #1 {X} # Interviewer: #2 {NW} # 505: Because he it's going to rain now {X} People got that back to the house and we've got it wait for him to get to the house Interviewer: Yeah 505: {D: whenever} {D: And nobody would come up just the fact is} Shower and then all that pours It's raining above my head {NS} Interviewer: What about uh if you have a lot of light that went along with the wind and the rain you say you have a what 505: Uh Have a a a a lightning storm Interviewer: Is that the same thing as thunderstorm? or what about uh oh if it's raining but it's not raining very hard just a few drops you know? {X} 505: {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: {D: Tell me when I get by around sitting here} {X} {D: they know where to cook} {X} on that side even far side {X} {D: they're in the morning} Sometimes you've missed them {X} Don't feed them enough {X} Interviewer: What about if you went out on the porch and one morning you couldn't even see across the road because the low hanging clouds you know say you've got a lot of what outside? 505: Fog? Interviewer: What kind of day would that be? 505: foggy day Interviewer: Okay and what if it hasn't rained for a long time you have a 505: Drought {NS} Interviewer: What about if the wind is being very very soft you know in general but it's gradually getting stronger you'd say the wind is doing what? 505: {X} Interviewer: or if it's the other way around if they wind is really strong it's gradually getting more general and so the wind is doing what? 505: No I don't know Interviewer: Well it it let's say if it's been real hard 505: Oh you said been been the {X} Interviewer: Well what about if you went outdoors in the morning and it was you know it was cold but you know not disagreeably cold you'd say it's time to 505: Wear a coat. Interviewer: Or if you go outside and there's a kind of white white coating on the ground you know? 505: Mm-hmm I suppose. Interviewer: There's some worse than others 505: Snow Interviewer: They have a severe cause too 505: Oh yeah we have {X} Last uh {NS} {D: it snowed up} {D: turns out it was out in that over that} {X} The snow {X} Interviewer: You might say in cold weather that uh 505: Or you mean it must be warm. Interviewer: It is s-stays pretty warm sometimes we have some pretty cold winters so. 505: Yeah but we have a {X} against it Then that's {X} {X} But I've been going now {D: going} {X} {X} somewhere about thirteen or fourteen. We have some of them that look like indigo we have trees in our yards grows and Spit out just like Just like {X} Interviewer: {X} 505: Yeah cedar trees go down in the ground {X} Not only {X} right here. And so I wouldn't I wouldn't think and then uh it's uh It been cold in there since 1917 That's {X} I've been keeping and I know Very well that it was {X} Peach trees and things just {X} {X} So would I {X} Interviewer: Have you ever you might say during the winter that uh it was so cold last night the lake 505: Froze over Interviewer: Or you might say if it gets much colder tonight the pond might 505: Freeze Have you ever {X}? Interviewer: I don't think I've ever seen a an entire pond that was frozen over at one time 505: Well you can you go to a lake Which is kind of like you know in {X} Interviewer: Mm-hmm 505: And then the lake freeze and you can catch a whole fish will come in you can catch {D: between} {X} {D: was the first to do that and I didn't freeze} Interviewer: Is that right? 505: {X} like winter And used to go over there quite a bit Didn't catch {X} If you go the water won't be so deep And when they cut that up Whole that you catch and they already cut it {X} I didn't even know I {X} Sometimes you have to do {X} {D: just eat that thing} Interviewer: {NS} 505: {X} {NS} Interviewer: If you don't mind would you count for me from one to twenty slowly? 505: One Two Three Four Five Six Seven {NS} Eight {NS} Nine {NS} Ten {NS} Eleven Twelve Thirteen Fourteen {NS} Fifteen Sixteen Seventeen Eighteen Nineteen Twenty Interviewer: Okay the number after twenty-six is? 505: Twenty-seven Interviewer: And after twenty-nine? 505: Thirty Interviewer: And after thirty-nine is? 505: Forty Interviewer: And after sixty-nine? 505: Seventy Interviewer: And after ninety-nine? 505: One hundred Interviewer: And after nine hundred ninety-nine? 505: What did you say? Interviewer: Nine hundred ninety-nine? 505: Nine hundred ninety-nine Thousand Interviewer: And ten times one hundred thousand you've got one 505: Million {NS} Interviewer: The day of the month that the bills are due is usually the 505: First Interviewer: And after the first you've got the 505: New bill Interviewer: Okay First of the month then the next day will be the 505: It will be the Interviewer: What would you call it you called it the first and {X} It would be the 505: Second Interviewer: Okay then the 505: Third Interviewer: Then the 505: Fourth Fifth Sixth Seventh Eighth Ninth Tenth Interviewer: Okay you've probably heard of the expression that sometimes you feel that your good luck comes just a little bit at a time but it seems like your bad luck comes 505: All at once. Interviewer: Is that true? 505: It happens to me {NW} That's true Interviewer: What about if a man got uh twenty bushels to the acre last year but this year he got forty bushels so he would say that this year's plot crop was 505: Double Interviewer: Or is good in terms of being as good as the last one it was 505: Last one Interviewer: Okay the first month of the year is? 505: January Interviewer: And that's followed by? 505: February March April May June July August September October November December Interviewer: Okay today is 505: June {D: seventh} Interviewer: And the day is 505: Thursday {X} Interviewer: Tomorrow is 505: Friday Interviewer: Then there's 505: Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Interviewer: Okay have you ever heard people call Sunday by any other name? 505: Yeah They call it um What do they call Sunday? Sabbath Day. Interviewer: Sabbath day? alright at this point I'm running out of questions {NW} 505: Well I just about am run out of talking {NW} Interviewer: {X} {NW} 505: Well now gee I enjoyed Interviewer: Well thank you 505: {X} Somewhere I ain't ever did this before in my life. Interviewer: Is that wrong? 505: Now I know {NS} Interviewer: Well I'm sorry I took up so much of your time today 505: {NW} I ain't I won't do nothing else here Because I've been sitting in the back Interviewer: Uh-huh 505: I don't do nothing nowhere I've been kind of Excited about it I don't do nothing nowhere but sit around Feed the chicken and the hogs and {X} Interviewer: Yeah 505: So I enjoyed this {X} Interviewer: Well thank you. 505: {X} {NS} Interviewer: Sure are 505: {X} {NS} Interviewer: I guess that's true. 505: Yeah I know it's true. Interviewer: Just going to think about that. 505: Yeah your mother and father {X} {NS} If you don't get another chance though just remember {NS}